e e e e e e e e and we'll uh call the meeting to order and roll
call R sh bville here board member James here board member Monera here board member mccristal board member Moser here board member Sher here board member Wayan here all right
pledge pledge allegiance to the flag of United States of America to the stand naice all right um should we're uh we'll skip the oath
because we already took that I think everybody was there so we're good and um the uh first uh uh item of business is to uh select the chair and vice chair so
um do we have uh I think you know we got a lot of new members so there may be questions do we want to uh just see if there's any questions first before we go to motion or some you know relative to what that what those positions are and you know what what your responsibilities
are and that kind of thing okay okay all right can we have a motion for chair Mark why don't you be the chair I move Mark becomes the chair uh second can I have a second
second second all in favor I opposed all right I got stuck so um now Vice chair so uh do we have a uh motion anybody interested motion for vice chair
I think Bonnie's interested I that may be I think so that that could be too do I hear a motion well can I say something sure uh this commitment would be a lot for me in terms of family and work and travel so if there is anyone else that's
interested um that would be fabulous what is involved with being a vice chair well technically you're um you're just the the vice chair for this meeting and if I'm gone uh you know you you fill in or if there's something like that but you know later on in the agenda
we're going to also nominate two members to to sit on the CRA and that would be another meeting and there's some higher Financial disclosures that are involved in that but it doesn't have to be the members that go to the CRA can be at large so I mean you know can be they
don't have to be the chair and the vice chair they can be any member from the crb and Bonnie just because you're Vice chair doesn't mean that you have to go to the you know you you have to go to the C if you don't want to okay well in that case then I I will accept all right I move to Bonnie become
the vice chair here a second second second okay all in favor opposed all right Bonnie you're stuck all right can I have an approval for the minutes can we do the agenda first shair
oh I'm sorry I was all into that and then I missed it right with the order um of um the development department has requested to move item six for number four number five stay number five and number four become number six yeah so we need an
approval of the agenda reversing the order on the action items 654 instead of 456 have a motion so moved second second second all in favor I opposed all right so we're
changing the we'll change the order on that then now can I have an approval of the minutes a motion for approval motion to approve second second all right all favor I opposed hearing none passes um now let's
U I want to go to the to comments from the public on non agenda related items but uh if if that's okay but I'll and I'll ask Lee if um before we go there can I can we take just one minute to because since this is a new board and
many of us aren't allowed to talk to each other outside the meeting but um if if the members could kind of just introduce themselves a little bit about their background and and that's it you know just go from there is that okay all right start with you Mr Jes my name is
Frederick James I pastor church in East Stewart St Paul am Church um I also work on the golf course I've been doing Golf Course work for about 30 years um landscaping and that type of thing detail work um and I'm just excited to
be a part of this board thanks my name is Scott whan I came came here from Charlotte North Carolina I was in law enforcement for many years uh have a wife and three kids um and I'm excited to be part of this board if you're not excited to be part
of you're still on it so I just want to make that clear I figured uh my name is Bonnie Moser I'm an urban designer and I specialize in um what I'll say what's in the public right away so mobility streetscapes and um public spaces pauses and
parts all right my name is Mark breckbill and um I I'm a CPA in town have been here since 86 and I've had my CPA firm since 94 and uh I love the city so that's
it um I'm clay Sherer I um I was been born and raised here in uh in Stewart my family's uh been here a long time but um I'm trained as an entomologist so I'm a bug guy
um and I lived in different places uh across the country in the world and where I've lived I've gotten involved in the community so I have some experience from uh Center City Philadelphia working with Community groups also in Winter Park Florida uh same thing when uh
Redevelopment groups or development groups Community groups tree planting programs and um very happy to um to be in steuart again and part of this group hi everyone I'm Jeff Monera um I have a local commercial real estate and
business brokerage firm and I've been involved in uh either working or living or both in Stuart since my early 20s and the 1980s all right thanks appreciate it it's always good to figure out who we all are so going from the start all
right um comments from the public on non-agenda related items do we have a card check uh chair bville I do have uh Mr James Christie okay good evening good afternoon happy to be before you again I'm G to be short today um last week I
sent to the City commissioners via email a u a little information about East Stewart and our I guess desire and what we feel our need to have protections for the community
uh right now we feel that uh there aren't any Protections in the community to protect from being pushed out of the community basically so we had established some guidelines as for as
what we wanted and then we sent another email to the city regarding the plans for those protections those particular plans written by us the community now it's not all the community but it's a great deal
that I'm representing today it is my desire and our desire we call Easter gr roots that that plan gets before every single planning committee c crb local planning the City Commissioner and I will be before you
quite a bit explaining that plan telling you where we're coming from in Martin County in Florida there are great protections for people for vegetation for animals to Turtles you guys changed not necessarily you but the
city changed the whole concept of drinking out of a straw I hate those paper straws with a passion but you changed the whole plastic straw thing for Turtles me and my wife went to the beach the other
day and we sat down and relax a bit say watch it you you're sitting at a turbo habit I say baby there's no sign here so there are protections the people of East door need protections we want to stay in the community we want to build our
wealth in the community and we don't want to be pushed down so you'll be getting lots of information I'll be be before you quite a bit every meeting thank you thank you Mr krisy appreciate it any other comments from public I have none J
okay um the next thing on the agenda is uh comments from board members so we'll uh we'll go from this side this time any comments Jeff comments or questions or both uh just general yeah these aren't about specific items on the agenda but
just uh questions or concerns or comments or whatever you want um just wondering where we can get more resources to go back since we're new board members some of us to go back and find a little bit of what are the outstanding items that are still on the agendas on an ongoing basis so that we
can backfill some of our knowledge instead of spending time going back on things that are already resolved that would be useful resource okay and I think um I think that that is something we we have a you
know really I can't remember a time when we had a board that was quite this new and especially the crb was usually long-standing members and so uh and the crb and the CRA is a long-term proposition that's where the value comes from is the long-term proposition so I
think it I think it'll be good uh I would like to see us uh maybe maybe do a little workshop type thing where people can attend that can attend the public can attend and we can kind of go over uh maybe where we are with some of the zoning issues where we are with um some
of the things that are going in downtown and and get some feedback and and what we've looked at in the past what's in the development process I know penol provided some um a list of projects for all the projects that had been approved within the CRA that either were started
or hadn't started yet so that would be good to know what's what's out there so and I I think it would be good if we did those as workshops rather than at the regular meeting because then staff doesn't have to come and it's not one of those kind of things where everybody has to be there we can we can have the meeting we can discuss the items and and
um I mean you know go through it or at least not tie them up forever that type of thing so anyway but good point I think that's a good point yeah thanks um maybe maybe following up to uh Jeff's comments I will just say a maybe a public thanks to panal and team
who were nice enough to host me for an hour or so and give me some of the the background uh on the crb and its actions I found that very very helpful um but there's it's a uh there's a lot more to learn so I I do uh Echo uh Jeff's comments and maybe your suggestion uh
mark would be a good idea thanks money yeah yes uh well first just to piggy back off of that I just want all of you new board members to know that um you can always reach out to City staff with questions you have I I do all
the time sometimes I'm asking them when we're going to be reviewing a project if they'll send me like the landscape plans you know I get really into the nitty-gritty and they always deliver and I'm sure there's some things I can't see they've never told me there's anything I couldn't see but um just reach out to
them and feel free to to ask because they they always answer in a Ely timely manner um second thing I wanted to mention and I chatted with panal about this yesterday on the phone is um at our meeting last week we talked about that fiveyear plan for the capital
Improvement um Capital Improvements and I guess that's going to be on the agenda in March so we've all got some time to sort of look over plans and prepare for that we all did get an email this week from a Community member who's an architect in the community and I just
wanted to to share these uh for the public to hear she sent a list of what her top five are um and I'm not going to read the entire email but I'll read the the bullet points uh walkability and bikeability in the downtown core future land use for Old City Hall revitalizing
Flagler Park um addressing parking and connectivity well sorry I guess there were just four um and I just wanted to um provide some food for thought when we're talking about this next month um
when I do plans in a community we we have basically like three different strategies that we'll Implement within a CRA um first you can go into a concentrated area of the CRA maybe that's your downtown core and you
invest a lot of money into that one uh area and you assume that things will bleed out from there another strategy that you could do is um do a little bit within each character area of the CRA so maybe that's East Stewart Downtown the
triangle I'll call it the Medical District where we've got a lot of our uh medical offices in the hospital um and last would be just to focus on the connections within and to those places uh so just some food for thought uh from a professional like how
we go about planning for these what the strategy is they're all good strategies they all work but uh something to think about over the next next month I don't have any I just I think I'll probably take up some time with you personally at some point to get me up to
speed I just feel like a little bit overwhelmed I I know it's available to me so it's so it's cing up on me so I'll reach out to you and we'll set up a meeting so I can you know you can bring me up speed yeah we um we were came for the
oath and um the information that was given we did not have the uh I didn't even know about the access to the emails and so we we just need to get caught up to speed so thank you for bringing that up today okay um just a a couple things
that um I would just mention that that I want to uh focus on I um I want to mention that um you know the CRA is different than the city the funding is different what we do with the funds are different um the restrictions we have
are different and and um I think it's really important that we understand you know really what our purpose is and we don't kind of stray into some other stuff because you know our our job is really just to deal with with the CRA and not really get involved in issues
that are outside the C per se so I think I I would you know I just want to make sure as we go along if there's any questions about that uh again panol and and the staff and everybody else have been really good about providing that information and they will provide that information
um the only reason I'm suggesting doing some of this stuff more formally in a in a group environment is so they don't have to do it time and time and time again with eight or 10 people you know asking the same questions but so that's that's one of the things I wanted to uh I would like to stress uh is going
forward is is that we understand what our role is versus say the LPA or whatever else and then um I would mention that um that with East Stewart we have you know the East Stewart historical group which I I think they're
um getting revved up again um and I'm I'm glad for that because I think we do need to you know the whole concept of gentrification and all of the things that can happen with that when you start talking about development are important and they're part of this meeting and I think they should be included and I
think the city's made some strides in terms of um ownership of property and clean title and things like that that are going to help with some of that so I think we probably should focus or at least have some discussion that down the road and then um I guess the uh the last
thing is I hope that um you know just in general we're not afraid to speak out if we don't agree with somebody you know we want to you know say what our opinion is and that's fine I mean we all we all care about the city we know that you wouldn't be volunteering your time if
you weren't so you know going forward um I think we take all comments in the manner that they're offered which is just how you feel about something and there's nothing nothing wrong with feeling different than what other people on the Das feel so um I just encourage you to offer your suggestions when the
time comes and we'll be good with that all right um now we're going into we've reversed the agenda so we've got the uh um pulk Street hotel and that's um quasi judicial which it's interesting I I
don't remember last year having a quasi and I've never done one I think campenni did it one time but uh um I don't think uh I don't think I've ever done those I've seen them done at the city Commission meeting but basically what that means is that we have that the the
applicant and the and the staff are sworn in and um we have a oath they have to take and uh that becomes um you know the basis for um their uh comments and and the discussion that takes place so
um I guess I would uh Le you want to read the the agenda item sure I can and then i' if I may be heard after that just to kind of briefly describe the judici okay okay um so this is an ordinance number 2537 d225 in
ordinance of the city Commission of the city of Stewart Florida amending the city's official zoning map to rezone a 33 acre parcel which is located at 255 Southwest 6th street from the urban Waterfront zoning designation to Urban
Highway zoning designation providing directions to the city clerk providing for repeal of all ordinances and conflict providing for severability providing for an effective date and for other purposes and uh chair bre Bell if I could be heard again for the record uh City attorney Lee bagot um when you guys
um you your board is an Advisory Board majority of the time there is one particular area on public art you guys are the final Authority so you make the final decision it's not a recommendation to the board whatever decision you make will be binding on the applicant all
other issues that come before you are advisory so you act as a board and you vote um and and you make a recommendation to the uh City commission that make sense um and when we have quasi judicial it's an applicant um is
seeking to do some sort of development or Redevelopment and you're stepping out of your position uh like normally we're in a legislative type decision making um and and you're stepping out of that role and in as like a like a judge judicial
so there's evidentiary hearing it's evidence is brought to you in testimony um there could be uh documents and photographs and so forth that you review and you're you're stepping out and you're acting as a judge that's why it's called quasi judicial you're also going to be asked about expart
Communications um the point is is um when there's an applicant coming forward with an application if you've spoken to like a group in in in in the city that wanted to influence your decision on your vote um you would need to disclose that if people emailed you you'd need to
and gave you their recommendation on what this particular project that's coming before you need to disclose that uh if you speak to anybody before the meeting about a particular um quasi judicial hearing that's coming before you you just need to disclose it the whole purpose is it gives the applicant
notice that that conversation took place and they could ask you about it and address any concerns out of that so um um if you have any questions on if it was or not it's probably best just to go ahead and disclose it anyway um or even
ask me um and I will say you know we St we talked about staff being available I'm available at any time um as the City attorney I'm your attorney for the board so I'm here in City Hall so you can call or email and come down I know commissioner Reed's here before he was a commissioner he was coming in my office
getting advice because he was on one of our advisory boards Board of adjustments so actually that's not an advisory board that they made final decisions so um and and so feel free I I don't want you to be hesitant at all about calling me it seem especially a lot of the newbies are
going to have a lot of questions uh at the end of this the city clerk and I are going to give some guidance and some U education on public records which you're going to love and uh that'll probably answer some questions you might have thank you
okay all right uh do any of the board members have any experte Comm to disclose just that email from the architect that Bonnie mentioned we received okay um all right
um uh let me individually go you know I guess we individually have to go through so uh Frederick um it it just state that you didn't have any expar Communications if that's and you know that you're you're here with an open mind that's what they always say we're here with an
open mind so I'm Frederick James and here with an open mind good I'm Scott whan here with an open mind uh I'm Bonnie Moser here with an open mind clay uh I also Clay sh also here
with an open mind no no communication to share je man here with an open mind and Mark brewell I have had no expart communication and my mind is wide open all the time so we're good um uh so let's get um all those that are
going to be giving testimony uh if you can please stand raise your right hand and be sworn in and uh okay you affirm that the uh evidence and testimony you're about to present will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God thank you be
seated okay so um Lee let me ask you a question uh about about this um is it is it uh is it okay for uh the
staff to summarize what's being requested I mean we've got a lot of data so I'm just asking can can the staff summarize what the request is yeah I think you're going to have a presentation from our
development director um yody couler over here and she's got a presentation and she is going to summarize the application and uh I assume she's going to have some uh charts and graphs and and and some language up there that what you're what's coming before you and
describe the project okay all right yeah because I I know some of us have seen this already at other at another meeting and if they Haven to be at a commission meeting it was it was been discussed so I was just kind of um I think it's good if kind of we we know what what actually
were being asked to do and what the change is the development director is going to go first and uh the applicant can uh um supplement that if if he or she wants to and um we'll go from there okay that's good okay but you've got a script you can follow and it's pretty easy so
yeah that's good yeah um all right so uh if you'd U please present your testimony and we'll go from there uh good evening board members um congratulations on your uh new positions uh vice mayor and I mean Vice chair and
chair uh for the record my name is Jody couler development director with the city of Stewart tonight I'm presenting agenda item number four for an amendment to the official zoning Atlas from Urban Waterfront to Urban Highway zoning designation located at 255 Southwest 6th
Street for contacts this 33 acre parcel at 255 Southwest 6 Street is currently vacant the site is within the urban overlay district and is within the community redevelopment area the future land use is downtown
Redevelopment which generally General uses permitted include low density residential multifam residential office commercial recreation lodging public facilities and conservation and mixed projects and this just shows a current
map of the downtown area in blue as you can see it's pretty consistent on the east side today the existing zoning is urban Waterfront which refers to special Waterfront oriented uses including marinas restaurants entertainment hotels
and higher density residential existing Marine Industrials uses are conditionally [Music] permitted and this just shows the location as you can see most of the area is in purple the project that the parcel
that we're speaking of is circled in red and in blue the applicant is requesting to propose the zoning to Urban Highway and occurs along both sides of Southeast Federal Highway as it traverses through the urban code district this area allows for
large front setbacks and high oriented commercial or high density residential uses with generous parking lots this is also just to kind of give you some background as you can see the proposed use would make it consistent along the corridor on the east side um this
property at one point in time if you just look and I'll put my cursor on it and we're still doing some little bit more research but when the urban code was adopted in 2002 this property right here was part of urban
Waterfront somewhere between 2002 to currently this project was changed to Urban highway so that's why you see this particular property is along the Waterfront but the property that we're referring referring to is this property
right here this would make it consistent with the land use pattern and a zoning pattern and development pattern uh this position this petition confirms to the criteria outlined in section 11.1.0 9 of the land the Stuart Land
Development code for the statutes and is consistent with the goals objectives and policies of the city of steuart comprehensive plan staff recommends that the community redevelopment board forward a recommendation to the city of Stewart City commission to approve the rezoning
subject parcel from Urban Waterfront to Urban highway just to give you some background we um did go to the uh local planning agency last week and we were also at the city commission um there was concerns from some surrounding residents
and even though we can't condition a rezoning application the applicant has a agree to meet with the owners uh surrounding Channel Avenue just to kind of go over the plans once we can get some consistent
guidelines and this ends my presentation I do have the applicant in the audience uh if you have any questions uh from Nish Patel uh does the um does the board have any um questions is there any I have a few for
Jody uh um can you explain why the land use is needed and and I asked that like does the land use change allow the owner to do something different with the property are their requirements different for the property and I mean like parking or um landscape
requirements or um you know Hardscape softscape requirements uh Vice chair um moard this is not asking for a future land use Amendment they're asking for a rezoning right so the land use is consistent the however the design
guidelines for urban Highway and urban Waterfront are not consistent okay so they are looking to redevelop the project the the the uh parcel uh they've combined all three Parcels as one in the unity of title um so with the urban
Highway everything is to push forward toward the US One Corridor Urban Waterfront has guidelines that parking has to be in the front and the building get pushed all the way to the rear so there's some inconsistencies and to make
the pattern the development pattern consistent um staff had uh recommended the applicant consider doing an amendment to rezone the property and as you can see we're um let me just put my cursor on that right here this is the
partiel that we're speaking of uh the uh the patal have purchased this whole property and combined it so if they were to try to combine both design guidelines it's it's very inconsistent so to make it uh they're proposing a hotel which is
going to be pushed toward the front of US1 um and that is consistent throughout that Corridor okay I guess I have a similar question I'm trying to understand the exact difference between it's current zoning
and application what what density would be allowed in excess with the future zoning the new the proposed zoning would there be additional density involved additional parking additional additional density in that spot uh board member there would
not be any difference with the density it's just really just making the design lines consistent both zoning districts allow a hotel use both allow density it's just inconsistent with design guidelines within both districts one says push it back the other one says
push it forward um to be consistent pushing the the building forward and having parking in a rear with some Design Elements to the building would be consistent along that Corridor but doesn't allow additional density or anything like that that is
correct um yeah I was just going to say I think um based on all the information uh Jody you you and the team I think made the a very sensible uh recommendation to Simply um change the zoning to make make it more consistent it's pretty straightforward and it's
probably just uh I don't know the history but it's kind of an oddity that that piece was uh not consistent with the rest of it but pretty straightforward to me and and it looks good any other questions I guess I guess I do um I I
heard that the applicant would talk with the um other property owners that are around after if you approve the zoning the the the change will they have input after that will there be any protections for them after that if they decided you
know I don't want this in my community uh chair chair board members that's a good question so the way our code is set up that anything under 50,000 square feet is approved at administrative level which would be at my level um however the design guidelines are consistent
regardless if it's approved through the city commission or through the administration um the applicant has agreed to meet with the owners along Frasier Creek and along Channel Avenue to address some of their concerns so we will be um we've been in touch with the
residents and once we get the new plan submitted we are going to have a neighborhood meeting with the neighbors to make sure that some of their concerns are addressed thank you I just have a couple questions Jody just want to clarify so really the staff
kind of suggested this right because this is one parcel that was inconsistent with everything around it and they've kind of suggested you should make it consistent with everything right isn't that really kind of how it came about uh chair that is correct just because of Redevelopment purposes right and if you
notice it kind of the the property is not even located along the Waterfront yeah there's another parcel in between that's been developed so it doesn't meet the intent probably from the 2002 guidelines like I said right here if you can see my cursor this right here this
section in 2002 was Urban Waterfront somewhere down the line it has been changed so that's when this make this inconsistent and that whole spot that you're looking at there in yellow that's all under Unity of title right so you'd have one parcel that would be under one
uh use and and the other yeah all right so um then the the other question I had is that assuming this was not approved assuming that we don't go along with it it doesn't stop them from doing what they're going to do I mean they can build what they want to build under
under the existing code um they may have to adjust where they put the parking but otherwise it doesn't stop the project I guess is what I'm saying correct it's not a a situation where the the zoning is going to make it so that now they can't do what they can't put a hotel on there
where they could before something like that right so typically we don't talk about the S plan during resoning but yes you are correct both both uh districts allow for a hotel use okay and then um you know the big question to that I have
is that so let's assume that because at the commission meeting as well you know we're not supposed to really discuss the specific use but I guess what I'm saying is there's a proposed use for it so even if that use goes away um this doesn't really give
another person some advantage in terms of development right now right higher density levels or uh any kind of thing like that uh chair that is correct um if if the hotel is everything goes through as as planned and it's built as a hotel
and then for some reason uh the owners sell the property and they don't want a hotel anymore and they want to knock it down or they want to remodel to something else they are required to come to the development department and do a new site plan and some of it could be elevated up to a to a staff I mean to a
commission level based on what the type of use but um you just can't arbitrarily go in there and change the use without going through some type of process all right so it would come back to the commission for them to decide potentially or at least to staff yes and particularly if they're asking for
density okay okay um any any other questions from Members okay so um let me see do we have any do we have any additional comments from the
applicant answer questions okay um okay um if I can if I could get a motion um I move to approve is there a
second second okay so I'd like to open it up in case the public has any kind of question and the board also will discuss issues but I'd like to get if there's any public comment I'd like to get that first uh before the board deliberates no chair I have no public
comment do what I have no public comment okay all right good all right uh we have a first and a second on uh on a motion to uh uh approve um so we need a roll call because it's CLA out right right
board member James yes board member Monero yes chair bville yes Vice chair Moser yes board member Sherer yes and board member whan yes all right thank you um and I thank the applicant for being here and the
staff for uh helping us get through that appreciate it um the next item because we moved things around a little bit uh has to do with item five zoning and progress Land Development code text amendments um Leah I'll read it yeah
good thank you and again uh board members you were in the Quasi judicial hearing and now we're going back you're putting your legislative hat on okay now you're creating new you're they're amending the text of the Land Development code basically now so now you're a legislator all right all right
um ordinance number 2539 d225 an ordinance of the city Commission of the city of Stewart Florida amending and restating City Land Development code chapter 2 zoning districts uses allowed density intensity chapter three special
zoning codes chapter five resource protection related development standards and chapter six on-site and off-site development standards which were determined during the zoning in progress under Section
1.4.4 Stewart Land Development code providing for conflict providing for codification providing for an effective date and for other purposes all right um you know at this point uh we've got you know a lot of
material in here um I think that um and I did I think it it's good for us as a board this is one of the items that I think ultimately it be good for us to be able to to go through in a workshop the city's gotten I think the commission
has gotten you know through a lot of this stuff you know that pretty soon it I think it's extended till March isn't it right now March 4th or something like that um the zoning in progress so um so um right now yeah we have to go to a
second reading with the commission but we're going before you today and I think on Thursday we go before the LPA with the same um Land Development code I think jod will have a presentation and go over um she'll summarize the changes that have been proposed during the
zoning and progress workshops and looking for a recommendation uh on those changes to take to the Board of Commissioners okay that would be good I uh started going through them myself and um I said that boy I wish jod was here
thank you again my name is Jody CER I'm the development director uh thank you for um taking this time uh just to I'm going to kind of go through the chapters that were mostly affected and it's kind of be it's a working in progress because we're still working on the actual strike
through underlying zoning but we did go through the chapters and we'll explain to you some of the changes but I did wanted to offer to you that I found something you know it's always unique when you can find history of the city of Stewart this is a zoning map from 1978 you can see it's the the boundaries
really have not changed that much so I just wanted to kind of show you that and then also I found you know when you get to do a lot of research it's very fun this is your first Land Development code that was adopted in
1940 so this was um very interesting because when you're looking at some of the changes or over happened over the years not much has changed other than adding in your urban districts and some of your overlays but it seems to be the same
intent back then as as we have today so I just wanted to kind of show you this and you can see how they labeled the districts back then in 1940 this was adopted in May March of 1940 I don't know about you but I I definitely wasn't around
so uh just to kind of give you some history okay so now to the fun stuff so a lot of the changes that happened was in Chapter 2 and in chapter 6 that's where majority
of our changes um that we're proposing that uh was requested by the city commission during our very lengthy workshops some of them were that uh the Commissioners uh requested that we
change instead of a lot to call a parcel record or a parcel uh in the city of Stewart or in Martin County um anything that's assigned to any type of land that's assigned to the Martin County has an assigned parcel number
even though it may not have an address but it does have a parcel number so they call it a parcel record so since we are pretty much a built out City we thought it was consistent to say instead of lot because some Lots um that are platted uh some people have had the uh combined
them and had three lots to make a you know a very nice backyard or have that that open space in your uh residential homes so we have modified the code to say parcel record or parcel so you'll see a lot of that cleanup language in
Chapter 2 uh chapter 3 chapter 6 chapter four five and eight so you'll see a lot of that strike through some of the other things that we so the word lot doesn't exist there anymore correct we
are no longer so anything that's after September 4th everything is going to be grandfathered in meaning that if you have a lot of record or a parcel record we're going to call it now before I used to call a lot of record now we're going to call it a parcel record that is
essentially the word I don't like to say grandfathered because there's really um but in your world is you hear a lot of that it's grandfathered in so you may have only one parcel record parcel record but you may have three lots that
combine that so as of September 4th 2024 all lots are considered grandfathered in regardless if they have a structure or they don't have a structure or they get damaged they could rebuild the structure that's currently there today so I just that was one of
the biggest change that the uh City commission made um the other change that's probably very very um significant is that they did no shared parking throughout the city including the urban
area so there uh so some of those you'll see those changes where we will not have shared parking anything that referred to Shared parking has now been strike through could you give an example of shared parking what does that mean so in the urban area there's a lot
of places that um don't meet all their parking requirements but their neighbors next door may have two parking spaces so they can have a shared parking agreement and they can utilize their parking so typically it works really well with a restaurant next door or a in a doctor's
office so a lot of times doctor's office we all know is busy during the day but a restaurant doesn't start their their clientele till about 4:00 so they'll do that shared parking um so the board uh wanted to amend that to just say that
they have to park according to the guidelines so that's one of the other significant changes that the board did make also in your mixed you zoning districts um any type of uh shared
parking or anything that's and I'll just kind of scroll down so it kind of helps you out but there's a lot of scrolling but I just wanted to show you some of the significant changes um as you'll see and I apologize if I'm going too fast if you get dizzy um let me know
because I do have seizures so um hold on one second and I will explain some of this these are your tables that have one of the other changes they did make too and I since I came to this loc this um this is your
permitted use charts that's allowed in each district so if it has a p it's permitted by rights so one of the things that they felt um is that all warehouses or storage facilities or wholesale and distribution centers should be in your located only in your indust industrial
areas so that was a uh change that they made and as you can see that we crossed through the permitted uses in other districts and added it into the industrial as a permitted use by
rights um also we did add some language because some of these will say a and or they'll say conditional use um a lot of people whenever they ask what is allowed through the city commission public hearing process what does that mean so
we said by resolution just to kind of give it a little bit more clarification um so in your mixed juice or your floor area one of the things that they had a lot of concerns about when you looking at a mixed juice project that has commercial and it has residential
combined together there should be some type of mix that if you're allowed a certain amount of commercial area then you should be a reduction of square footage for each unit so if you and this says 800 but I do believe it ended up at
1,000 square feet so every 1,000 square ft of commercial you lose you lose a reduction of one density unit as part of your calculation if you're looking at a larger site so that was one of the significant changes that they did make so so and I'm I I hate to use Costco as
one of my my um examples but it is one of our larger pieces and so we do have one more large piece in it I don't know if you're familiar with the foundings that's East that's just um South on us one it's that large 24 Acre Site on the
east side which one is that it's called the founds is by Dominica Terrace there's a huge that's one of our probably our largest property that was a commercial plan unit development it has expired so we've had a lot of interest in there so if they come in and they
want to do mixed juice commercial and residential one of the things that um the Comm City commission was concerned about was instead of using gross acres for your commercial portion of it and using gross acres for your density so you get all your density you get all your
commercial um they wanted to add some formula in there that you would reduce if you're allowed th square feet of commercial you lose one unit per thousand square feet of commercial that you add so even though if you're only allowed 30 units and you have 10 acres
of commercial it'd be one unit per per thousand so this would be really on our larger sites um in the city of Stewart we don't have a lot of vacant sites probably The Fountains we refer to as the fountains because that was the old name of it that's probably the largest
site we have right now that's vacant that we get a lot of interest [Music] in [Music] um so also um there was some changes made back in I do believe 19 where you
could do these potential bonus units where it typically was down the urban area where you could do what's considered half units um and then you get parking requirements or reductions because you have half units and you so if you're allowed 30 units per acre you're allowed
45 units per acre because you have the you count the unit as a half unit so the board was really concerned about that so they're asking to strike that language so we did um do that um let's see here some of this is
just clean up language um again these are density bonuses where mixed ju are available uh we they felt that density bonuses are no longer needed for mixed juice puds so the same thing they could have large smaller units almost like those half
units so and like I said we don't have a lot of land left in city of city of Stewart so it really would only apply to larger sites and like I said we only have like 20 acre large site that's pretty much vacant at this time for that type of
[Music] use um some of these uh this again this is where the multif family this is the formula right here and some of these I do have highlighted because once I go over this with the
Commissioners at the first reading I just want to make sure I have clarification that this is exactly what we heard because there was a lot they did um they had a lot of meetings and they had a lot of workshop and there were many hours that they put into this so um I just want to make sure that we captured everything that they were
requesting so if you see some highlighted it's probably some questions that staff still kind of has on the on to ask the city commission and as uh the other significant change was in your R3 we changed a lot size to 5,000 square ft or
uh it could be 5,000 or 6,000 I wasn't sure where exactly where they landed but um there'll be no longer 4,356 square feet lot lot or parcel oh parcel I'm sorry I'm getting used to saying that myself
um so again we did and we do have to work on some language on this but we did want to make sure that anybody who has Parcels of record they were protected so if you have a property that has 4,500
4,356 ft lot and they had a parcel sign before the September 4th 2024 date that parcel is a buildable parcel so we just wanted to make sure that was safeguarded and that's throughout the [Music]
city um the other thing was in your commercial instead of 65% impervious surface if they can demonstrate they can have 50% because we want to encourage to use um low impact um development which is your what we
refer to as Lids um you do your peral pavers you do your French drains so um you get credit for that in the later on in the code so you know it's hard to get credit and then you're having to product put 65% of your maximum perious surface
coverage for commercial again and some clean up with the um lot versus parcel um so this is where we really focused and on to make sure that when you're looking at these Parcels that we
wanted to make sure it was very clear again there's another note about that no platted parcel record shall contain less than 4,000 actually this needs to be changed less than six it should be either 5,000 or 6,000 square ft that existed honor for September 4th 2024 and
any newly created parcel record shall contain not less than 6,000 squ feet after September 4th 20124 again this is question to the commissioner was did we land on 5,000 or 6,000 so there's some clarification that we're looking for from the
board same thing this is just basically clean up language um if you have any questions along the way please um stop me or you know ask the questions uh because we have quite a few chapters that I'm going to be
scrolling through and just kind of identify what we did uh again some more cleanup language let's see here and the cottage Lots we're changing them to Cottage
Parcels so and we do have to update the rendering showing what a cottage lot Cottage parcel will look like so this has to be changed but I had to image it out and put it back in and Mark it up so I have a note to do that um let's see
here don't know this will be pretty much chapter two Jody was there something uh I on the um agenda packet the side setbacks it was chapter 2 04 .04 sideb shall be a
Min side setback should be a minimum of 10 feet what does that apply to so I do believe and this is one of the questions we have to raise back to the board because there was some inconsistency going back and forth and um
so the the the setbacks would be for residential for R1 R2 so they right now some of them are 5 feet some of them are s 10 feet and some of them are 7.5 uh I think they were looking for consistency however one of our concerns
if we change those setbacks and you have a built out neighborhood you're going to have that inconsistent pattern of how the houses are placed so we did have some questions to rais back to the board about um that particular were they looking to change it throughout the the
single family or um so we're we're we weren't quite sure so we do have a question back to the board that we will be uh raising on on Monday after you scroll through everything can you go back through and highlight any major things that are still under
contention or underation yeah because the things that are most relevant now as opposed to the history is fascinating but yeah [Music] okay um like I said this is chapter two so I
don't know if these um so there was a request that we um that one of our constituents asked about home occupations if they could use their accessory dwelling units as a um home occupation so like if you wanted to put a a salon or if you wanted to put your
little office in your Adu uh the board would be um it would be allowed through approved through a conditional use permit so we did add language for that um let's see here
again just some clean up language not too much more change in Chapter 2 uh let me just check my notes real quick I just want to see if there's any questions that we're going to pose back to the board so there was some questions about
the um duplexes on Flamingo so apparently when they were annexed into the city they were annexed as R1 so there was some language that they requested us to add in there that they can no longer expand it's a non-conforming use so if
if the duplex was destroyed or 50% damage they would not be able to rebuild and we just want to make sure that that was the intent of the board and that's specifically to Flamingo or is that city that was specifically to Flamingo so we do have questions to the
board to raise if that was the intent we do have language in our our um code that does talk about a uh non-conformity and also if it's uh substantially damaged there is a formula and then they wouldn't be able to expand
the non-conforming use those those duplexes um at least in Fisherman's Village or is I think nearby where you're talking about I don't know if it's in there it's it's where I live right now but those those were sold originally as single units I mean you
bought both sides and then a lot of people though they've been split and so there's one owner that owns one side one owner that owns the other so is is that going to go away are those not going to be considered single family anymore and you can't I mean what happens if if
somebody I guess what happens so essentially what happens is if if that was the intent of the board uh the the the the zoning today there is is R1 which means you only have one unit or one uh primary so what happens over time
you won't be able to expand the duplex and if it gets 50% damaged then there is a Formula that you can only replace a certain amount within three years if not if it has to be torn down for some reason you would only be able to build a single family
home how do two owners settle that yeah right of court on the real estate yeah uh how well how um I mean why can't we just change the zoning or create a zoning for duplexes I mean that that's crazy that
you might lose your house because your neighbor got torn down I don't think anybody wants that and that's something that that's why we're going over this that's why I want to if you want to recommend something to the board we can certainly put that as one of your recommendations that maybe you put a uh
special some type of special district or if you want to uh you know if you want to express some concerns we can definitely express that to the board all right or make recommendations um I think you mentioned the street name Flamingo is that is that where these are I'm just
wondering is that the neighborhood is it these are different no flamingo is a street so there are duplexes on uh a few blocks away Flamingo is a couple blocks away it's mostly single family but there are some duplexes on the street I'm not sure maybe five or six you know how many
duplexes we're talking about I don't know but uh we can certainly uh get a tally of that as well I just walked it this morning it's got to be less than 10 okay I I I do have a question so what benefit for those homeowners or those
people that own the properties for the language to be changed from lot to um parcel so uh in in again in Martin County um every parcel every every lot or say
parcel is assigned a property control number regardless if you have a address or not assigned to that parcel so that makes it a parcel record and for your tax purposes and everything so being that the city is a built out if you have
a parcel of record meaning you have an identification number that makes your lot conforming as of September 4th of last year so if you have a lot so they don't want to create more
Lots you know in the city so um or just smaller Lots so if you have a house that sits on three lots you tear it down and now you want to subdivide three different Lots back to the original platted lines now you're adding more
density to that area so if you have a platted lot of record or a partial record then it is considered grandfather Den that was the intent of why they wanted to go with a parcel record as opposed to an actual
lot is there a reason we have to do that at this time is there I mean what is there was there a rush to have this done with this language put in uh so the uh City commission uh deemed a zoning in progress back in September last year
they had multiple workshops and this is some of the concerns that they they were um discussing one of them is density because we are a built out Community there so that was one way to control
some of the density or smaller Lots so the the city commission had multiple meetings and this is one of the outcomes of the meeting that they asked staff to look at I I enjoyed the fact that you were sharing the history of the
community where I live it's a rich history and a lot of the people that are members of my church um own some of the smaller lots and so I'm concerned what's going to happen if we change that language to those people without um them having uh greater input before we make
that decision so um and I'm going to refer to I'm assuming East Stewart is where you're referring to with the smaller Lots so that was one of the things that the board was very concerned making sure that E Stewart or these areas that have
smaller Lots if you have a smaller lot and you have a parcel record because you have to have a parcel record to pay your taxes so that was the that's the background of why they use parcel record as opposed to a lot because you can have
multiple Lots without and only have one parcel record so we wanted to make sure that East Stewart or the smaller communities or any larger Lots they're not subdivided to the smaller Lots so you and you're an E Stewart they will be
grandfathered end as of September 4th that they have a parcel record which in East Stewart everybody has a parcel record because you have to pay your taxes um that will grandfather their size lot within the city can I ask a question on that sometime in the last
year I think panal presented a program to us where there were some people in East Stewart who maybe because there were so many family members there was not a deed or a homeowner or or I don't know sorry I'm not really get a planning
spe clear deed a clear deed what happens to them if as of September they don't have that does that mean you know does that put their lot size at risk if they're not automat if they're not that 5,000 square feet well either if they don't have a clear deed or not they
still will have a parcel record they still have to pay their it still will have an assigned uh parcel ID number okay it just doesn't have a clear deed and I think that is the program that thatr okay so if that's not figured out it it
the parcel is still there so we're not worried about any loss with that yes and there is some smaller Lots in uh East Dart and that was one of the concerns that the board did have to make sure that you know what's the inventory today Remains the inventory so any newly
created Lots as of September 4th will have to be evaluated and have to go through some type of board action at that time so it technically will it will stay that it remain that you know so I'm just trying to give you some assurance that the board didn't want to just do a
taking and take the property rights they you still can build on those smaller Lots today if you have a parcel record but what happens if it turns out you had a parcel of record but then it turns out that somebody else owned one
of those lots that's in your parcel or in other words if there's no clear en tile the tax record may show that you have a parcel but it may turn out after the fact that one of those lots was left to one family member one of those lots
was left to another family member and they had actually separate Lots same parcel same parcel but separate Lots because that's the problem with not having clean title the risk you take is you go in there and buy it and it turns out a portion of your property doesn't belong to you so you know I still have a
little bit of concern about that personally I'm gonna um if if lead can you help me with that answer please um I don't know that I have an answer for you on that um because it's something that's really abnormal that would happen
um one of the issues are the lots are very small in East Stewart and and and like jod said if if there is already a house on it there is a parcel of record out the county the whole point of lot versus partial is to be consistent um
you could have two or three three lots in one parcel of record so um you know it's the parcel that we're focused on not necessarily A platted lot from years ago because your house could be two lots have two platted Lots one parcel of
record and one house and it's kind but later on you couldn't split that into two lots if they were under 5,000 square feet if we're under our code we're calling it a lot but there's two lots pled Lots from years ago that are small Lots someone did a
Unity of title and built a big house on two lots that were like 4,000 ft each now they have 8,000 foot each that's one parcel of record even though the you look at the old platted Lots would be multiple lots and to be consistent we were just trying to sometimes our code
would refer to the lot but that parcel record had two lots and one house on it and let me let me ask you Le isn't that was coming that was creating an issue weren't the original City Lots the platted City lots are are what 50 by 100 aren't they 5,000 ft I think I I don't
know I think they are so that's that's kind of right at the borderline I mean I know downtown the lots are generally 50 by I think they're I can even I remember even looking down Riverside Drive and like houses are on three lots and
another house is on half that lot it's really yeah you know but the parcel of record is what the county goes by and actually what we we're going it it just seemed like our code had lots versus parcel of record and that was causing some issues
in interpretation so that was another reason I don't think she mentioned as to why we were changing it parcel of record okay all right and I hope that clarifies it yeah I think so thank you Mr baggot sorry Jody go ahead that's okay I mean and and please stop me if you have any questions because I want to make sure
that this board can make the recommendations to the city commission or express some concerns of some of the changes that they're requesting or if you're not clear on something um I want to make sure that we can address it as staff uh we may not be able to address it tonight but we do want to make sure
that we hear your concerns okay do you want do you want questions now then is that what you're saying or no no I'm just saying as we move along if you have any questions I rather you know talk about it because like I said we have like a couple other chapters okay have
we gotten to adus yet within this chapter we did not get to adus okay so one of the things that the board did Express with adus and if your accessory delling units is how do we stop people from renting them out or Airbnb in them
we are preempted from the state that we can't control airbnbs because we didn't have rules prior to that so um they did put in here um some guidelines that an Adu will have uh will the owner will
have to live in the primary and then the ad has to have one meter and one water meter sorry can you clarify what an Adu is oh okay it's an accessory dwelling in it so if you have a house and then you have a detached garage and you want to convert it into
like a a a flanny a granny flat or something or a mother-in-law so so uh you know this will give you the privilege to be able to have your mother or your
father a in place you know instead of putting them in the um nursing home that I hope my kids will never do to me but um anyways but one of the concerns is we didn't want more traffic down these residential streets or transient traffic
so the 80 the accessory dwelling units will now be on one meter one electrical meter and one water meter so it has to be attached to the primary and the primary the owner of the property has to
live in the primary unit and in other places I've worked so whenever you go get these building permits because one of the biggest things is how do you enforce that um right so in other places I worked that
at the building department level they make them sign an affidavit stating that yes this is you know Adu this is really you know for my mother-in-law or when I have guests come in I don't want my my family staying with me in my house so I want want them to stay out
there so they sign an affidavit and then what happens is if you later on and they kind of find out that are renting them and turning them into other uses than what they were intended to you can code enforce against the uh primary against
the owner of the property yeah I mean do we know even if you can get separate meter uh you know just one meter on some of these things because a lot of times like let's say I'm taking care of a parent uh they're both dead now but let's say I'm taking care of a parent um
you know I need to know what their costs are sometimes because I'm being reimbursed by you know some medical coverage or some trust agreement or something else um and it's just it gets really messy when you've only got one meter for a full piece of property you know and I'm I mean even if I had my son
in there if he's got the AC at 43 degrees or something I want him to pay that you know I'm just it's just I think that's getting a little it gets a little tight there but anyway um I agree with you I I want to zoom out a little because what I've been following what
the commission's been talking about here and it seems like it's this really big push to you know only promote single family development within the city um I I think it's pretty clear that most people don't want like large housing developments um around here but adus are
what we call incremental development they're these small things that can allow you know folks to maybe rent out a studio space um they're not going to cause a huge influx of traffic that's not going to happen uh but I'm I'm going
to use my own lot for an example my husband and I have uh when we were looking for homes in Stuart we were looking for homes with an Adu because we were looking for a place where one of our sets of parents could possibly age in place um I know a lot of people my age are thinking the same thing we don't
want our parents to go uh live in a nursing home uh that's really expensive you I ended up buying a single family lot and I've got plenty of space to put an Adu it would cost me a lot of money to do it one of the things we talked about what if we rent you know this Adu
out to a teacher to offset the cost for 5 10 years until our parents need to move in you're taking that option away from people and I'm not saying this to be self- serving we'll probably never do that uh just an example I think it's it's a little bit of overreach um a and
same thing what Mark is saying like if if if I do have a parent there and I'm um needing to know their costs what that cost is and they're on the same um what is it called they're on the same meter as me I I can't do that you know
if I did want to rent it out to a teacher and that teacher does like to keep the air on 60 uh and is you know just using a lot of energy I would prefer them that to be their responsibility and not mine um I I think
we've really got to think here about you know are adus and duplexes the bad guy are are they really what is causing you know the heaps of traffic that we're seeing through Stewart or is it cars from Port St Lucy
and from Palm Beach County passing through our city uh I think I think we really need to zoom out here and I'm G to get a little bit off topic really quickly Jody but I I just want to say because I have said this to the commission repeatedly in emails
um this process has been really backwards it has been from the top down and it has not been from the bottom up uh those workshops W out workshops they were Commissioners sitting in the front of the room with microphones and people got to make a little bit of input but um
the general public doesn't understand planning I work planning adjacent and I don't understand planning uh this should have been done with professionals that were hired no offense to the city you all are wonderful but when we make these changes we're usually hiring planners um
and economists and people from the outside to come in and say you know this is the unintended consequence of what you're asking for or you know this is what we're hearing the public say this is how we funnel it into a change within
our codes um so I mean I personally would like to see the city go back to the drawing board and actually do this the right way and um they should be hosting meetings with the public within the community reaching out to the community and then that feedback is
brought back to the commission with the proposed changes and not the other way around because I think we're missing the Mark here about you know what people are actually wanting and um I am confident that the commission is trying to give it
to them but they're not the professionals that need to be making the the numbers changes here and the verbiage changes here okay um I have one basic question and you know kind of based on what Bonnie said but I
guess the question I have is as this board crb how much of this applies to us I mean aren't we under a different zoning than all of this I mean a different uh setup we're under Urban code right so all of these things are great and this is kind of what the comment I was making at the
beginning I think all those things are great and it's a you know it's one more forum for people people to make a comment I guess but I'm just saying for the crb I'm not sure that we have input into this because it doesn't affect us I mean I think this is all outside the
urban code it affects E Stewart it's affecting Stuart but we don't have responsibil Stuart well but but that's that is a is a part of the CRA but that has they have their own they have their own code out there too that's been done
am I understanding correctly though that these changes would affect that it's going to check it affects the entire city so your shared parking will be affected throughout the entire city not just your urbanized area not just your
creek District not just your E Stewart or the US One Properties along you know the corridors there so what do and that's that's a problem I have is I got involved in a little bit of an issue uh with a friend of mine that I helped her with um and all she wanted to do was put
a parking Jody you know she wanted to put a parking space now she didn't go about it the right way necessarily but she wanted to put a parking space on her property right and what I found when I got into that is that the urban the urban designations are all assuming
gigantic things they're assuming density parking lots and all kinds of stuff and so there's a completely different I mean the language in in the urban code relative to um even single family residential needs to be different
because the other stuff won't let you do things that you would normally do with your home because you you got to have a six foot fence or you know with you know trellises and all kinds of good things so I just I I think we're being thrown in cra's got it I I do think CRA has to
look at this differently we're we have to be zoned differently and if we're not I think we need to change the comp plan because the comp plan encompasses all of the things that we talk about with mixed use and walkability and all that kind of thing I remember those meetings back in the day when we
discussed all that when we decided how we were going to be as a community I think we got to go back to that I mean you know at least the thing that they did right back then was they got everybody involved and they said okay what do we want to see what don't we want to see and they didn't all agree
but but I tell you a lot of the stuff that's built into our comp plan is going to change that because this thing is different and that was what I was going to bring up as well so some of these changes will be um will require comp plan amendments yeah so and it would it
could typ it could change the Visionary for certain areas well and it's it it's potentially going to create a situation where we're going to have to completely rethink the core of the comp plan is is the idea behind the comp plan that we put density
in the city so that it doesn't go out west in into the you know into the Western U acreage you know that was the original plan for Stuart as well as Martin County so are we going away from that are we not going to create that density with walkability and job and places where we have businesses and and
uh places you can live in the same location so you don't have to take your car someplace I mean that was all part of the comp plan I just I'm surprised that you know we're that far away from that I think we're going to have to relook at that if if we're making these changes I mean it's just my opinion anyway all right all right sorry no
that's before we go any further sorry can we back up to the parking portion that um I you brought it up in the very beginning um with the no shared parking throughout I I just want to uh put a pin
in that that that's something that we could possibly make a recommendation about I'm a little concerned with the you know the consequences of of what happens there um that is a strategy that cities all over the country use um I
work in the Southeast a lot a lot of times Partnerships will be formed with churches because churches only need their parking lots downtown on Sundays Sundays and maybe Wednesday nights and for the rest of the week they'll form a partnership with somebody um so that the rest of the you know City can use that
when they want to go to businesses downtown it works really well it also keeps your downtown from becoming a parking lot and you know fly around in Google Earth and look at successful cities um the ones that are failing
right now um are the ones that are flooded with parking it shouldn't be the priority um and I'm I'm a little concerned that that's the direction that we're headed in um it essentially just makes downtown a hot parking lot but I
also I'm reading about these parking not just here with the the um no shared parking but I'm just reading about this increase in parking that we want to see and I'm worried that one of the unintended consequences is we're going
to end up with really big redevelopments so you know you've got a developer and they've got a lot of money and they don't buy you know the parcel and put a smaller apartment complex on it because they can't park it so they buy a block
and we end up with you know City Place developments um even though we don't want that because that's what we're telling them that we want um so I I I would like that to go back to the commission for them to reconsider
understand um I I think Bonnie you know that's a good comment because um it's it's about the economics they will build what they can make money building and so if if we make it so that the small Builder the local Builder the local homeowner can't build the property uh
because it takes too much to buy you know the base you're just you're right we're going to get developers that are going to come in from out of state Wall Street developers who are going to buy that's the same thing we got now and you know and it's millions and millions of dollars so they can afford to do it and we're going to get stuff we don't want
nobody wants any of that so I I I agree I think that's you know that's something we got to look at the other thing is on the parking situation you know Jody the we already have stuff that's approved and I can think of very specific where they already have been approved
and they don't meet the parking requirement as it is now um I drove by last night uh a restaurant there on East Ocean that has outdoor seating right they went from being able to seat seven
or eight people they were 900 square fet there there for a restaurant they could only have about nine or 10 people in that thing and last night there was probably 35 40 people there maybe more um and so now when the lot gets developed next to that because that's already been
approved under a PUD where's the parking going to go you can talk all you want about parking and there's two types of parking there's required parking to build and there's parking to be able to to get by and so I understand the shared parking can be abused and it has been
but the problem is now what's going to happen to the guy that's left the person that's left are they going to get are they going to get stuck because somebody else you know you may be able to build project but your people aren't going to be able to find any parking so I think that's an issue they have to look at
what's already in place this the shared parking situation is going to significantly penalize the future use and it's going to favor the puds over the local Builders so I think they need to look at that in that situation is you
got to take into consideration what's there thank you comments for questions for jod and we'll keep going but all right I think I'm going to move to chapter three because that is in the CRA district and there
was some changes in that District as well which one uh the CRA the overlay districts the urban this is this is where this board does have a lot of uh recommendations that they could bring to the commission just wanted to say I
agree with what Bonnie where Direction she was going where if we structure everything where it's more appealing to the big developers that they can just take from the other parking that's around there they're going to end up with an increased density we didn't really expect or want I mean that's
going to be part of the process so again in your um urban districts uh which includes East Stewart your creek District um the all the urban elements um again they're they're requesting Shar no
shared part paring also they're changing the parking spaces for any duplexes to be instead of 1.5 to round it up to two parking spaces and any multif family Round Up to 2.5 for a parking
space so uh I think the significant change um is in your East Stewart where you have um let me just and I apologize if I'm just going to go through this really quickly because a lot of the same commas are consistent throughout the code is just was cleaning it up this is
right here in your urban center um I do believe that was the location that you were at previously um um chair about shared parking again they're asking that to be strike through um so these are all
your urban districts this is the core of your of your CRA um but they did make some recommendations in our East Stewart District that if you are a if you are Zone a bmu
which is a mix a business mixed use occupancy or if you're in a grow which is a um like office residential and and and duplexes that anything other than a single family home could be will have to
be required to have City commission action so I'm going to get to that and I apologize now the the exempt the exempt air parking area they did not do anything to that because that was that that area which you can see right here is just this little map right
here this is your exempt area so parking is exempt in this just this particular area within your CRA or your urban area um but if you don't mind I'm just going to scroll down to my E Stewart
again these are the changes that are asking for duplexes they were at 1.5 to two two vehicles per unit and then multif family is two two per uh unit instead of the 1.5 and I apologize I keep going fast
but I just want to um touch base of where this board would make yeah can we make a note for that um for the commission as well um I think maybe they're trying to protect E Stewart from developers or rication and I think that that is a
valiant effort we've got to protect E Stewart but I'm going to say the same thing about this I worry that if you're going to make these big increases you're you're asking for developers with more money in their pocket to make the changes so you might get the exact thing
that you don't want to happen there by making it more expensive to build there okay and I'm just noting that these are some of the concerns so when I look at my notes tomorrow I won't have to go back and listen to the tape okay um let me what happens when the
parking garage finally gets built how does that get factored into the parking requirements downtown will the parking requirements change then at that point if if we've got a parking garage downtown that's got say 400 parking places um you know how how will that do
I still have to maintain you know an additional 50 parking places on my property because even if I'm next door to the parking garage because that's what this says or or or can that be changed or do you have to go do you have to do p PUD at that point and go ask for
a variance So currently the way the changes are designed today that um whatever is on your parcel of record and you're required to park you're going to be you have to you cannot use any type of shared parking to offset your parking
requirements okay so so if you have a so there's a 400 there's a 400 parking spot parking garage next to my house downtown and I still got to have parking correct that is how it is uh structured the requested changes do
you know Jody how many downtowns anywhere have that kind of requirement I mean Successful downtowns small ones I mean can we look around I mean are they actually are they actually doing that were they're they're making you know
they're making people Park all this stuff and then how do they expand you just can't and then it gets to what Bonnie saying the only people that can do these are the rich people they'll come in the developers will come in they'll Finance it from Wall Street that's why nothing's being built right now because there's no money on Wall Street but as soon as there's money you
know we talk here about and that's why I was asking the question about the urban area so is that an area that's covered under 102 it can I I can I go into downtown Stewart and buy up you know uh
three blocks and put a a a parking garage in um you know what is that included in that is that considered like commercial where where the state law now says if I put in a certain amount of affordable housing I can I can build this stuff I mean are are we creating
that where that's what's going to be the alternative that that the developers that are going to come in are going to want to maximize their density to maximize their return on investment um I just I'm just concerned about that I I I just can't believe successful cities are positioning themselves the way we are
you know um so cill 102 that you're referring to um technically if they're going to combine Parcels parcel records it would require some type of action by the city commission and also they would still have to park it based on the code
that there any changes that are being made so if you are required only 1.5 at one point in time or you were allowed to share parking with your neighbors next door or you allowed to do the off street parking requirements in downtown that will no longer
be the based on the proposed changes today you have to park it on site so potentially you would have to go through some type of action to the city commission to combine those lots and develop those lots or those Parcels but
if those lots are already if they're already developed into a part parcel right so just the project we were talking about the the hotel um or that parcel so you know three years from
now um I I take that tear that all down and I I go ahead and put you know 200 units there whatever I can put on there 16 per under 102 16 per unit that that's going to become a real thing because you
know the the project on US1 North I forget access one or whatever it was that project I think it was built for probably 40 or 50 million they turned around and refinanced that thing for $110 million on Wall Street pulled that money out that's the kind of money we're talking about and that's what now we're
going to create a situation where the competition for our local Builders and our local developers and people want are are going to be Wall Street well you can't compete with that the only thing that's competing with that right now is that market is dead because those guys want 133% after inflation and right now
you're talking about you'd have to get a 20% return and so as soon as that goes away though it makes sense for me to go buy whatever parcel I want in Stewart and and tear it down and build four stories maximum Apartments maximum
density because that's where I'm going to be able to make the big money and I can't do that I can't afford to build the small stuff so if I want to build three units I'm going to be out of the market I can't do that I'm going to be competing against Wall Street I I don't think we want that I this is my opinion I don't I mean when I was walking around
talking to people that's that's kind of what they said you know they don't want that stuff um just for a clarification Mark when I do downtown Redevelopment or Master plans we have never um we've never recommended getting rid of those parking Partnerships we usually
recommend them and um small medium large siiz cities some states are even getting rid of parking requirements downtown because they realize how much it has hindered growth of the small business owner um so it seems a little bit
backwards to what you know our residents want how do condos how do condos affect this so if I go on to a let's say I build a three-story Condominium Association um what uh are how does that
impact it I mean each one of those units is a single family home so am I going to be bound by the single family home requirement am I Bomb by is is that going to change based on that if it's a condo so if it's a condo form of ownership um that's typically one common
wall so that's going to be multif family so you're required to park it right now at at two parking spaces per unit so what has been our affordable housing when you go down East Ocean and you see all those condos there that's our that is our affordable housing and
it's it's all of the you know generally older people that live down there and have owned those units forever we're not not going to be able to replace that housing because you can't build that anymore right not to that density level the stuff like Vista Pines and all that they won't be allowed anymore under the new code right because you want to have
enough Park I mean essentially we are built out so yes your answer would be yes okay any other questions okay um let me just get down to the east Stewart portion because
that's where some of the changes did take the requested changes I apologize I should have had this okay so this is our recently adopted um form base code for East Stewart we adopted it in 2023 our board
our um CRA worked on it for two years and uh we've had a couple of houses being built through the East Stewart based on the design guidelines we also have a project coming through that's um project lift that's going to be meeting the same guidelines as well so um we've
already had some we've seen some Redevelopment in East Stewart uh one of the biggest changes is that well we kind of took this initiative on ourselves this is all the different boards that you have to attend to if you want a variance or and some of them were
redundant some of them went to the crb then you went to the LPA then you went to the city commission so uh the crb is more is your local planning agency within the CRA so we felt it's appropriate to remove some of the LPA requirements except for the variants so
these are just some minor changes um I think the larger changes you're going to see in here is let me just get down to the Chart um so as you can see all the permitted uses
on our left side and all the districts are across our um bmu grro and single family District so before um duplexes were a permitted by rights and according to this section which is uh that section
refers to architectural elements or design guidelines that is now going to be um approved through a a resolution to a public hearing through the city commission so and same thing with all
these other types uses so your hotel motel your rooming your board so we just essentially went down the only thing that's going to be permitted by rights without having to go through some type of board action is a single family [Music]
home I just want to say I got a call from a resident of E Stewart today who had major concerns with this section um the Hoops that that residents would have to um or folks who own businesses there would have to jump through um you know
the extra work that they have to commit um it seems unfair and it sort of is taking their power away um I've attended some of these um workshops when this was being written
and um it was overwhelmingly community members and and I understand not everyone's happy with the result of it but um that was a community-led process and this is not these changes are not if I could just maybe the page or
two up that you were I I was looking at that and um I'm just curious what was the logic behind the effort to why targeting this particular residential neighborhood with all of these requirements versus any
other residential nebor why the change here so if I understood correctly the board wanted to safeguard any large Development coming into East Stewart in purchasing a bunch of par parcels and
creating a huge Row House of of multifam units so I think that was one of the intent or if a hotel motel um what the potential with the train station coming through they wanted to make sure that they protected the residents with an E
Stewart to keep it somewhat single Le family um I think that was the intent um and maybe this is not where they land but I think they had some concerns about some of the um older residents that have been lifers there
and they you know they have the um homes that you know they were passed down by generations and they wanted to make sure that they Protected Their um property I I uh I guess my my my concern still would be uh they they had good
intent but they missed the mark and I agree that they need to go back and re-evaluate with the community with with the conversation I think you're going to get the exact opposite of what you're shooting for because again and and I
talked to some people uh a number of years back Phil Harvey some other guys we talked about this concept and um and and the problem with this is that you've got large blocks of areas Bene Stewart where you can't get clean title and so
therefore the individual property owner can't sell their property or refinance it they can't get maximum value they have to use alternative financing that carries a high interest rate it carries um they don't they won't pay you you know you won't get 80% on the value you'll get a much lower number so what
is happening in other communities and it's a definite concern is that a large developer goes in and buys enough property that they know they got clean title and then they build you know multif family in there and the people that were
there are gone I remember the neighborhood meeting we had in East Stewart where one of the residents said do you understand what what rent really is here do you understand when we're talking affordable housing do you understand what we're talking about we're not talking $3,000 a month that
was the development plan that was being proposed we're talking $600 a month you know and so um I think there's I think there's real concern that that if you're not careful this if implemented before title
is cleaned in East Stewart you're going to have a larger developer sweep in and and build something and push everybody else out particularly there on US1 or on Dixie but anyway maybe just one last point of
clarification so I uh I appreciate your response to the earlier question about the the intent um but I I I guess why now why the urgency now was there any message about why like it hasn't happened last week or last year or four
years ago so what is there are we scared of something coming soon or what is the what was the sense of timing so I think and then I'm just speaking I been I've been with the city of St for two and a half years and I've been in two zoning in progress in my two and a half tender
here I think one of the concerns is um multifamily we we built too fast too quick in in traffic um the concerns about traffic um so I think that was one of the concerns is they didn't want to see
these you know like a bridge view coming through again or a um down south where uh I I forget the name of the development but it's right by the uh Spring Tree so I think those are some of the concerns and um so I think that and
then so when they did the zoning in progress they did state that they wanted to look at some of these guidelines um and those were those workshops that we held and those were the request to changes that come out through the
workshop um you know traffic is always uh a question but I live north of here I know one of those that travel here I go south because most people live north and they travel South I am one of those people so if you if you go past to PO St
Lucy Boulevard or you go down Becker and I've been in Port St Lucy for 20s something years and then I moved Fort Pierce West um you can see the spraw coming I mean it's all their dris are coming fruition that were quiet for 20
some OD years so traffic is always going to be issue because city of Stewart is a bypass we are one of those bypass cities that are always going to get the traffic regardless if we have cars or we don't have cars or if we have parking spaces or we don't have parking spaces
and it's going to continue to get worse until there's some type of relief um so um I don't think that it's all coming from the city of Stewart I do believe that like I said if you go north you'll see where the traffic's coming from I
see when I go out to Traditions I I love going out there but I hate going out there so um you know I think that's one of their concerns was the units that came on within the last six years we moved really quick
they were approved with a lot of waivers uh they're just I think that they're concerned about the next wave coming through so that's why they um requested to do a zoning in progress and discuss what the future may hold for city of
Stuart thanks can I I know and I when I saw the agenda and saw this you know there's no way we can do justice to all of this going through all of this stuff again and then we still got you know the the nominate a board member we' still got uh some stuff on ethics and so we be
we'd be here all night and I apologize um that we've taken a while but we do take it seriously and I think you know and I think the commission wants input from you know from various board members so we're trying to do that but um you know I guess the question I
would have question I would have is that um if these are more rigid than we would like or not structured the way we would like we can always come back with a recommendation later to the city and say these are the tweaks that we think you
make um I can understand their concern uh and and it's not just their concern it's the concern of members within the city of Stewart that saw these highrises go up and saw these apartments go up and and it's the young people and the older people you know they don't want that and
they don't and they're afraid that it's going to happen again um and so I think that's why the urgency ask about the urgency I think that's the urgency is that they're afraid it's going to happen again because there are already projects out there that are approved and I think Jody will give us an education on that at some point and we'll I mean or uh
panel will give us an education on that at some point and we'll we'll find out what those you know what's already out there and you'll see that there's there's some stuff out there but I will I will say again any developer that comes into town right now and says they're going to use 102 to put in four
or five or 700 or 800 units call their Bluff because they aren't going to get financing for that I guarantee you they're not going to get financing for that with the rental market the way it is right now and the vacancy rates the way they are right now so I I do think we have some time but I guess if we're
being overly restrictive at least there's the opportunity to back off of it and it doesn't affect somebody's grandfather rights in other words if we're giving somebody more rights instead of less I think that's probably a good thing because we can always turn
around later and give those back you know what I mean so our concern is if if we go too hard that we get sued because we take property rights away from people I think that's our biggest you know biggest concern but um anyway what do you
suggest Lee in terms of going forward I I know we got other stuff on the agenda um the other stuff is um we have you you got to nominate the two members that'll be on the CRA and then um city clerk and I have a presentation just to talk about public records so we we and those AR
both of those I nomination should take two minutes yeah right unless you guys have a debate who wants to be it but it didn't seem that way for the chair and vice chair um so I think we got time I mean yeah now that we've had this discussion maybe we're changing our mind
it's 10 till six so if you want to take a break that's on but I wanted to um address a couple of things just so the board's clear so when you look up there on these charts you'll see check mark removed and an a put there I just so so it's clear to some of you newbies that's um the check mark means you'll
hear permitted and that check mark means permitted it's permitted as a right that means they don't have to have a public hearing to do that particular development as long as they meet certain requirements it can be approved by a development director when they put allowable there it's still allowed they
just got to come for the the The Advisory board and the um City commission to to to do what they want to do and I and I can't speak for the commission but they were just trying to put an extra step of protection for East Stewart obviously we're concerned and I
I wanted to address some some of you newbies weren't here but we talk about the clear title problem what what we found in East Stewart is you have grandma and grandpa passed away and these are older homes and there could be two grandkids out of 10 grandkids living
in the house and and you know paying the electric bill but no one ever transferred the title to anybody um and and you have multiple Generations that have done that and and so that's what there's no clear clean title and and so we have a program in place through the
CRA and the crb went through it as well where we are we have identified I don't know we had identified maybe like 30 or 40 properties in the east St that this could this what I just explained could be a problem and um so we have developed
a program where we pay attorney fees um for a probate SL real estate lawyer um and and and we pay the CRA funds will pay the attorney for these families to clear up the tire so um and so there
there's again it was like 30 or so mod properties that we identified and I think some of them have we've done some so far none but no one's done it so we're offering it and I think we're offering up to like three or five grand for the fees and I remember speaking to an attorney that said that she could do
it for that so um and then they would go and try and uh clear the title and so I guess I'm surprised no one's taking advantage of that but we do have that and so I wanted for the newbies you weren't here obviously but when we're having that discussion about the issue that's the issue and we have a solution
I guess nobody's taking advantage of the solution right yet okay Jody how much time do you think you need you got you got uh you need another two three hours are you good yeah so I mean as far as uh other like in chapter six is all your shared
parking requirements again that's in your large developments and things like that so we did strike the language because that is what the board had requested at no shared parking so I mean I can go through chapter six um if if
you like um it's just really some cleanup language based off chapter two and chapter three uh this is this is the most substantial in your um in your East Stewart District in your CR a where some of these changes were permitted by right
now you have some type of approval process through the city commission and other than your shared parking I can move forward if you'd like but um like in chapter eight is just changing your non-conforming lot to non-conforming parcel so it's just some cleanup
language there well maybe we should see six then is that that's the one you think we should take a look at then if You' like to look at six um think so look at six then okay should we order in [Music] pizza so six is um anything other than
that's not a urban District or an overlay District uh all your other requirements for uh commercial will fall under chapter six Your Design guidelines uh what type of uh elements
you should decorate the buildings your parking standards your um heat islands all that this is where this lives in chapter 6 so now did you say Jody this does not cover any of the urban no this
does not cover any of the urban so for us it really is for crb it's not relevant really it would not be irrelevant to the crb um okay but if you want to walk through it we can I don't think so our our our issues are different I think
and then the only thing is in chapter in our definitions we did add a definition for parcel record so you can go and Define what that is okay but like I said most of the things that we've substantial changes happened in chapter
2 and some changes in chapter three and that falls over to chapter six your chapter eight is your variances and your non-conforming Lots We just cleaned up the language there as well so as you know we will will not have a variance board anymore all variance or now be
held by will be heard by your local planning agency but the same rules is like your hardships and everything will still follow under chapter eight okay so if you don't if you um don't have any other questions um unless you want to move forward I
be I'm here till 8 o'clock tomorrow morning I do have a question too go ahead whenever we're ready go ahead question um it was a really good presentation uh Jody thanks for that and um you know
listening to all that I was I was sketching out a few a few notes as we went along and and then somehow Bonnie basically said half of what I had written down so um but I do want to bring up a couple more I have several thoughts about this
is the this is very complex and many many detailed pieces such as um you know changes and setbacks is it should they is it seven is it five okay now the is 10 okay that's pretty that's pretty specific and the impacts of that I'm
probably not best uh position to to to comment on that um impervious surface going from 65 to 50% oh what's the impact of that I'm probably not the best position to comment on that um and I started making
a long list of these things um the accessory dwelling units the duplexes but you know I just I I reiterate what um what Bonnie said it seems like if we were going to do something like this we should get like some really smart people
on these topics uh urban planning developers um people who who understand the subject and maybe maybe the the commission did this previously maybe they were involved in some of the the meetings but this is quite a complex
effort uh that is intended here so I I guess I would just caution the my recommendation be to caution the commission if if this is really going to serve the uh the citizens and and and with the intent uh that
exists um and I a lot of this my concern is I I think the biggest concern that everybody talks about that I hear about is affordable housing or just housing and I'm not sure this is going to help at all maybe that would be a question back to the commission is how is this
addressing the shortage of housing in the city including the CRA District I realize the CRA is part of the city um maybe that was part of the effort of this review if it was it it's not obvious to me how it's going to address
but um maybe I I'll just stop there and and I don't know what our role was here in terms of a recommendation or a comment back to the to the commission but I I think it would be worth it to have um does the whole thing need to start over again that might be one way
to do it um if I would just think that there's a lot of smart people who have done this several times who whose input all of us would probably benefit from Beyond Beyond the staff nothing against the staff I'm sure the staff has done a very great very
good job but uh there's a lot of Specialties in here and and being able to anticipate the impacts of suggested changes I think would be quite helpful because they might end up with the the wrong result if if if we're not careful um I guess that's
all my comments okay just a just a general input not a not a specific recommendation or anything is we're talking in kind of an isolation Okay we're looking here in Stewart okay how many affordable housing and all that go drive up Northern St Lucy drive down to
you know Bridge Road there's thousands and thousands and thousands of units that have been built pre-approved and built and there's other units that are breaking ground no shortage of housing you know they're all 2500 3,000 a month that's the problem but to create more
density here with with the idea that we're we're creating some kind of solution to housing there's tremendous amount of units out there now and about to be built we don't we don't have to address that we have to address portability maybe but I think we're looking at a little micro cosm of
Stewart but all of these people they're coming to steuart they're working here they're driving through here at 100 milph on US1 so I mean we already have a tremendous amount of density that we're not really talking about or thinking about that's our I I I would like to
find out if the city is willing to to to go into uh private public private um assistance with the people that own the properties to help them to develop because that cost is an issue so since they have to jump through these hoops
and go through the commission for an action to do work on on their properties is the city willing to to help them and you know Frederick that one of the advantages that one of the things that's happened to East Stewart over the
last 20 years is this issue you know we talked about without having clear title if you don't have clear title think about it in the last 20 years we've had two major increases in housing values right did E Stewart participate in that no right because they can't borrow money
to fix house up and make it worth more and and they can't sell it and get fair price because they can't give a clear clear title and so over a period of time East Stewart has suffered from from that uh from that problem when the rest of us have have made a ton of money yeah you
know and U so I I think it's a I think it's a point that you know there has to be something there but if if we fix that title thing I think ultimately people will be able to borrow money against their house they'll be able to fix it up and do whatever they want to do and keep it you know but um but anyway um sorry I
didn't mean to no that's good because I'll go back and I'll get the word maybe maybe they don't understand or didn't clearly understand that the city is actually trying to help them and not to take away from their properties so uh I'm in a position to to uh explain that
process a little bit better to some of the um owners just so you know that we we'll have one or two lawyers that'll be on a provider list kind of and they the property owner can contact a lawyer and and discuss it with the
lawyer before even doing anything and we would just pay the fees so when I say we the C I thought you were gonna write a chain ice guy the um okay um I
think the from my perspective and I don't know how the rest of the board feels um I commend the Commissioners for addressing a problem that we have and
that is that what the previous commission basically approved although they thought it was going to produce a decent result It produced the exact opposite result and um and so as a result of that you know
we ended up with all this stuff coming out of the ground and the thought was that if you build it and there's an over supply of it it will bring prices down right and that is basic economics so normally you would think that makes sense but it does not make sense in this market
because right because with commercial property which this is this is commercial investment property we're talking about with single with these apartments they make their money not on selling those and not on selling one or two or something like that to to finance and order free and clear
they make money on that by going to Wall Street and refinancing that property they didn't sell that property on on us one they just refinanced it with different investors and the previous investors got their cash out and the next investors didn't well the value of
a of a project a commercial project like a housing uh like apartments that value is based not on oh this is a great building this is what I want it's not based on comps it's not based on it's based on the income that that could produce right and so if you think about
it you know you've got these units out there there's there's bu buildings that are up and they're built but just like you said Jee they're empty right now and why is that well they're not going to discount it they would rather it be empty and go into disrepair and foreclosure because if they discount
that price let's say it's 2,000 and they drop it down to 1,500 right to fill out three units that's going to be the value of everything in there from that point forward 1500's going to be the fair market value of a unit in that housing and that's going to decrease the value of that property by tens of millions of
dollars and so they're not going to do it whereas I'll give you another of what I think we've been successful with and this is what I would encourage the commission to look at is that when you look around at people that are able to
live here right most of the time it's because somebody they knew already owned some place right and now think about it if if I buy a house and I've owned a house for say I own a house for 15 years
right and I own that house and now I give it to my I I have my son live in it or I rent it out to somebody locally right um I don't have to get I don't have to get full value on that because I'm not going to refinance that property and pull the equity out I'm just going
to continue to rent it out and so I'm I'm getting the appreciation the value of the appreciation every single year but I'm not having to I'm not having to sell the house to do that and I don't have to pay tax on it so I'm just going to so I'm going to get a six or seven or 8% return due to appreciation and a five
or six or 7% return due to actual rent and that keeps prices down and so I use as an example as a local family that has the unit I'm renting right now it's a three-bedroom duplex near Flamingo it's not it's in on finny but I got that
unit for for 8 1,850 bucks three bedrooms now how could you do that you couldn't do that if that was if that was a Wall Street investor there is no way in heck that that would happen right there's no way it would happen but but it's it's a person that's lived in this
community for 40 years has real estate in the community has invested in the community those are the kind of things I mean I I still think that the commission needs to look not just at this issue but they need to look at ways that we can encourage own ownership because that's
what's causing the problem and I'm not talking about necessarily ownership of people who are young and just starting to work because they're not going to buy houses because they don't know where they're living yet but I'm talking about ownership where somebody can own a unit and lease it out and keep it for a long
term and I think we you know I I think we need to look at some of that and I would but I commend the city for stepping in so that we don't get a bigger problem but I think that my recommendation would be that we we uh
indicate to the commission that we you know we approve or we're but we think there's some changes that need to be made there's some tweaks that need to be made and it may not make sense to hold off everything to talk about those tweaks but that we go back and I think
it's kind of like what Bonnie said to some degree we we looked at the problem and we we came and we tried to solve the problem and then go this way instead of solving the base and going up so that we could cut it off at the roots and um I
think I think if we could I think we need to get back to the comp plan I think we need to get back to the CRA plan I think we need to get back to what is the future for the city we had dney in here I'm not sure everybody agrees with it they didn't agree with him at the time but I'm not so sure that
we shouldn't do that process again so that's kind of what I think I would agree my recommendation would be would be to go back to um a community level Citywide Master planning process that would guide changes to code instead of
changing the code and then seeing what's going to happen with how our city develops all right do we have uh what what do we need from this this is just do we need a motion or you just need our opinion or what is is Bonnie's motion count can we just use that if you want to make a motion and
it's seconded then you guys can vote on it you want to make that as a motion yeah I mean I'd love for 50 other things to be in it but yes that would be my motion um that the city um halt any
changes to uh codes until they can um perform a Citywide Master planning update that is community-led second okay discussion um you know I I would um
just say that I think that they need to continue and finish what they've got right now and get the zip completed so that at least we've got a base program in place um because there is still the threat out there that some of this other stuff can happen but um but I do think
that if we're going to plan we need to we need to go back and look at where we're at and um I think it's you know we need to see what kind of community would want to be could I just ask uh sorry maybe um Jody if I understood right the um uh it's a good point mark so I don't
know what I have no visibility what projects may already be in the pipeline or or coming is my understanding there's not a lot or little Maybe I'm Wrong the information I had but if if it's built out then there can't be a whole lot
coming right or help me understand that so when you have a built out Community like the city of Stewart You're typically going to start getting Redevelopment infills so that's what we're starting to see now um some expansion to the larger facilities like Walmart they have a small expansion but
you're going to start seeing the infills and the Redevelopment and that's where um you know the the density has already been allocated for that property so it's a like for like sometimes so um that's what we're starting to see so let me
clarify the question so the uh and I and I don't know the the description of what exactly is uh um what the the majority do not want but whatever that is uh Redevelopment say maybe it takes a zoning change or a
density CH those kinds of things I assume they would they're probably in one of those tables where they have to come in front of the commission for such changes as opposed to just by right correct so a lot of things in the city of steer are not I mean they'll say by right but a lot of times we can't
park it you have design criterias that you can't fit on a on a smaller site so a lot of the projects do end up in front of the city commission so and that seems to be consistent with the last 30 years how the city of Stewart has developed right so I'll stop talking in
a second but I guess to me that influences or it influences the um the urgency so if if if these big things that we that we're concerned about are going to come in front of the commission anyway then to me coming back to this
review of the code maybe it's not so urgent I mean it's well intentioned and there's probably a lot of changes that make sense um but if if we were to urge the commission to reconsider uh it's not going to impact whether they have a view
of future let's call them big projects I guess for lack of a better word see what I mean yeah yeah okay well and I think and and the city or the commission has done a pretty good job they they took out the really bad stuff those half units that they added there that you know a unit isn't a unit if it's a certain Square F feet it's a half unit
or it's a unit you know they they took some of that stuff off that literally was passed in the middle of the night during Co so I think that I give them a lot of credit for getting some of that junk out of there but um but I I think that at this point I think they've hit the major stuff and now there's an
opportunity to go back and and get more Community involvement get more planning and then say what do we want to be um people don't realize during the danani plan we rejected the city actually rejected the the plan that he proposed it's not the same plan that he proposed
so everybody thinks it was but it's not so so we're not you know I think it's it's that kind of thing where we are because right now if we start making more changes like this um we're potentially going to make land use changes which could hurt us down the
road and we're also going to potentially create a situation where um we're going to be moving away from the comp plan and away from what the City wants and I don't think that's what we want to do either we have to have a base to work from the comp PL the base so I I I think
that's where we're at I mean could we instead of just slamming the brakes on everything and going back to the starting point could we compartmentalize some of the major things that are underway and analyze each one individually maybe take take give them
the time they deserve as opposed to just I think that's what we've done it is but the problem here and Lee can probably you know give us some guidance on that but the problem that we've got right now is the longer the zip takes place the more chance we're going to get sued for taking for I mean there are people out
there that can't that are wanting to do projects whether it's tenant improvements and having tenants move in or you know or it's building something or whatever and they're stuck right now and and so the longer that takes the more likely there is that there's a
lawsuit claiming that we took their property without compensation so I I think that we just need to finish this up and I I think that's what we're all saying let's just finish this up get it in place and then let's start the other process which might take two years right but let's start that process and see and
get buying and let's see what the people want to do all right um if I may sure um chair so you had asked a question whether we could departmentalize it um when the chair asked for a motion uh Vice chair Moser made a motion
um and it was seconded right so that and her motion was that we recommend that the commission go back to community- based lead and uh City work on a white a Citywide master plan U that is community-led going to my notes here so
that was her motion which was seconded unless she amends her motion to add in to compartmentalize you guys will have to vote on that motion first okay um if it if it passes passes by majority then that's the recommendation to the board if it
doesn't then you have another motion where you say I want to compartmentalize it um but when the chair asks for a motion and um it's first to first to make the motion you know gets to address the issue uh what they want to be done
so I'm not I'm not saying you need to be quick on your feet no my M I can so can we talk about amendments yeah discuss it Vice chair can do an amendment and then it would have to be seconded and um and
and then you go that route but okay I'm gonna think out loud here um just ask Lee to tell you what to say he knows what to do my Amendment would be um that the commission can move forward
with the exception of changes to duplexes 0 any changes about duplexes adus and um shared parking I don't know thinking out loud so any any comments I'd say the
commission won buy that so but go ahead you say will or will not will not that parking is an issue shared parking is an issue and they want to they want to shut that off pretty quick because it's that that helps stop a lot of these projects that were approved were approved under
shared parking reduced parking on street parking and things like that and and they're they're significantly under the required parking so um I I think rightfully so they want to stop that I mean all of this stuff can be Revisited
if we you know later no nothing goes away and anything we do probably down the road is going to loosen the requirements rather than increase it so all it's going to do is create value for people instead of taking it away yeah I think my concern with these changes to the duplexes and adus is it's basically
just going to eliminate their existence or make it incredibly difficult and um you right now those duplexes where you're living are are some of the only places in the city of Stewart that are under $300,000 for someone to purchase so I don't think we want to make that
harder for people who are struggling with affability um well yeah I think but you know like I said we also got the we've got all that stuff down East Ocean that's uh you know that's the foral cedar cedar point and you know and Vista
p whatever is down there and Kingswood and all those those are all those are all providing most of you know people don't realize it most of the affordable housing is for elderly in the city of Stewart it's not it's not young people in jobs it's the elderly and that's where we're losing a lot of potential
you know potential housing but anyway sorry no no it's fine anything else I can anything talk about Vice chair amended motion yeah let me just clarify for the record because I know you were peace meing together so um and and and
I'm going to try I took notes uh Vice chair Moser so it's your motion to uh move forward with the commission all of the commissions proposed amendments except for the Amendments pertaining to duplexes um accessory dwelling units and
shared parking you wish that those would go back to um a Citywide master plan that is commity Leed second is that right let's make sure that's her her I would like for all of it to go to a
Citywide master plan um but I I think the other other than the amendment those can continue for now until that Master Plan process is complete knowing that that will that will take years yeah if it's done well what what I would suggest
is that we encourage the commission to go to finish what they've got go forward with what they've got at this point but then finish that zip up and then let's then let's start a
community-based um uh program and and the commission is going to lead that too but you know so they're going to help pick the planner and do whatever so we just you know we just decide at that point then we get everything where stuff can keep on going we've stopped all the major stuff from happening they're going
to finish that up and then the rest of it we will'll re we'll re re-review yeah through the community planning process our thumb on the Dyke yeah more L yeah so could I offer another thought about
about motion so um you know we're not really um approving or or disapproving of this we're just making a recommendation right so right um and giving feedback to the commission which of course they're asking for it so I think the motion as it stands is the
right feedback back um I think they the commission can take it into consideration and they're going to do it what they feel is the right thing but at least they heard the concerns from this group uh with some of those specifics I think there's probably far more if we had some other people in the room look
at it but anyway it's a good start well that's my problem is there probably are a lot more and I don't want it you know I don't want to tie this thing up because you know of just some specific things in other words you know I I don't want to I think Bonnie's thought process
is a good one and uh I just but I don't think we need to pick specific stuff out right now let's just leave it alone get it done tell them move forward with it get it done and then after that's finished after we're done with the zip they can finish out what they got we're only probably a couple months away from
finishing that and and then in the meantime we can be organizing they can be organizing and help organize a a community- based planning session you know a program try to see where we're at is your motion standing on what you just mended it to because it has not
been seconded but I'm sure we just need to clarify if I thought I seconded I say he second yeah I'm I'm going to leave it as it is um we can vote against it but I I want to send the message to the commission that there are some things in here that
um are caused for alarm and shouldn't continue all right okay all right any other comments okay any other nobody I will just say that um I I like what you're trying to do Bonnie I I won't be able to
support this particular motion because um there are other things in there that I have a problem with and I don't want everybody to get off track but that's my only thought that's the only reason I I conceptually I'm 100% completely understand so all right Vice chair Moser
just for the the record um could we clarify you wanted the amended motion or your original motion because I have both so I need to I want to make sure we have it right for the record um it was her amended motion oh now I'm getting confused the amended motion the amended
motion would still be um the commission can move forward with the exception of duplexes adus and shared parking with the request that they um Community Based review yes that they begin the process of a cityi Citywide master plan that is
is community Le very well and M and board member Sher you seconded that amended motion thank you correct all right any other comment comment from the public I have none chair okay okay um all right we uh I think on
this should we do roll call yeah okay let's do a roll call Board member Monero here yes or no sorry yes board member sure yes yes board member James no board member whan yes uh chair breckbill no oh
this was for the I'm sorry you were I thought you were just taking a exiting I'm I'm known I'm a know he change his vote okay chair bille said no and vice chair Moser
yes so we need a new one all right what was the on that so it's 3 three oh great who's who's going to decide that well we'll just well it goes to show we were kind of un undecided right so I think you got a
flare for where we're at so I don't do we need anything more we don't need anything more on that do we Okay a pizza yeah I know that's a pizza somebody get the Lunas I'm hungry all right um what let's I guess we got to nominate board
members for the community redevelopment agency is that uh I'll read it for the record the resolution number okay go ahead so resolution number 01225 crb a resolution of the community redevelopment Board of the city of Stewart Florida to nominate two members
to serve on the community redevelopment Agency for the remaining current term from present to December 31st 2025 providing an effective date and for other purposes okay so
basically what this is is two members um that attend and are a part of the CRA now because that organization is an organization that can set you know
determined spending and and do things like that there are some you know there are some additional requirements the the financial reporting is at a little higher level as to what you have to report um and I think um Mary what else
is the uh ethic stuff is that's everybody still has to do that everyone has to do it on this board and that's in my next presentation and the CRA they're both responsible for that all right so um so basically that's all it is you've got another meeting per
month and you've got uh you've got some disclosures you got to do they're similar to the disclosures you're doing if you're running for office uh is what it is but otherwise that's that's all it is um I uh uh I I served on that last
year here with Tom Kenny and I will tell you it's uh you know it's a good opportunity uh to to for us to get represented from the crb on the CRA and uh and hopefully that's you know that's what we're looking at so um I know Bonnie you said you know as Vice chair
usually that you know that would be one of the but you say from a I understand that from a commit got some time constraints that just doesn't make sense for me right now I understand so um and we need we need two I guess we can do it one wanted a
time um do we have a motion for somebody to serve does anybody want to Ser who's who else wants to serve I was just going to ask you Mark is that is that something you're willing to to do another year um well yeah they they probably they'll probably throw me off but I I would uh I would probably uh
yeah I would do it I I enjoy participating in that is there um anybody else that wants that's interested uh clay would you be interested excuse me
um yeah potentially I guess I need to learn a little bit more about the time commitment and and uh some other any other requirements uh it's something I'd like to do but I'm not sure it would be fair of me to commit at this moment if you'd like me to review just
real quickly the CRA meetings meet um on the fourth Monday of every month um they're typically 4 p.m. um there are the quarterly meetings which you all participated in January that happens in place of the regular CRA meeting so
that's joint with the CRA crb and uh City commission but otherwise it's once a month yeah it's not too bad there a lot of the things that are discussed you'll have already had an opportunity to see them at the crb level uh a lot of times sometimes it's the other way around
we're seeing them there and then they're coming into crb um you know like this issue was but but it's it's pretty uh that part of it is you know you don't have a lot of additional uh educational type things you know as if you were sitting on another one and just clarify
you will sit on a board with all five City commissioners and there'll be two from this board yeah and you'll be a voting uh member of that board yeah so um anybody any else clay well if you
won't find anybody clay go ahead no no I was just going to say the uh it's very appealing but the the time commitments uh Beyond this board would be probably a stretch for me so I think it's better that someone else has a as a shot that can commit the time what's good I'll
volunteer okay okay uh so we've got uh we I guess we can do them together we got two people do we have a second for those two someone needs make we nominate um okay I thought somebody did but maybe not just some discussion okay yeah we
just had discussion okay we need a so move that Mark and Frederick uh represent the crb on the CRA second second all in favor I I
opposed I can't do that can I okay um all right thank you I appreciate it Frederick thanks appreciate it I know you'll get the support from the rest of the board too and they'll if they've got an issue that they want you to to bring up I'm sure they will because I think we've always worked pretty well together
as as a group um I turn yep your turn now you can tell us ethically what we can and can't do I will um try and make it brief um and not to scare the new members Congratulations by the way on your appointments and reappointments and um but these meetings are definitely not
normally this long so don't be nervous yeah they are okay um Lee baggot and I my name is Mary Kendall I'm the city clerk and um we're just going to present real quickly a few things on public records law and
um the Sunshine Law so you're aware um I also wanted to let you know we did provide you a packet at your place we did things a little backwards this time and that's why I think there was some overwhelming feelings of like there's so much to this board and you know I'm not really sure I'm getting all this
information in this packet but you were sworn in at the Joint meeting which is typically not the way it's done it's just that meeting happened to come before before this meeting and uh we didn't have a regular January crb that we started so um but I'm going to talk
to you guys about public records and I don't like to typically read from a a presentation slide or whatever but this is just very basic simple information that's kind of nice to um get it just as it is but um the public records law applies to elected and appointed board members it does apply to this board um
board members are responsible for the preservation and transfer of public records in their possession to the city and that's in the event that you're ever asked for it if a public records request comes in you just simply will let you know and you provide any public records that you have I'll go into some other
details on that but um also identify which records should be saved and what may be deleted or destroyed we're going to talk about that and the responsibilities of the board um when a public records request is received um what is a public record a public record
is any record made in Connection in transaction of any official business that comes before you on this board um it includes and this is just the specific um definition that is first statute includes paper letters Maps books tapes phot photographs videos
recordings voicemails text messages emails and social media posts a lot of times people forget about social media posts but they're just as important if you're talking about board business and just remember that it's the content of the record that matters it's
not where it's kept so if you have content on your personal cell phone though it is your personal cell phone it's City related business or or board related business then it is still a public record um is the Public Public
Record Law applicable to elected and appointed board members yes um just like we mentioned I'm not going to go through all of that but we mentioned the applicable boards um is the city commission the CRA crb LPA and the East Stewart historical advisory
committee um you are legally responsible for the preservation of those records and to transfer those to the city when asked um this is a legal obligation and ex it extends to records that exist like I said on personal devices you have
something on a personal computer that is still public record if it applies um upon your resignation from the board or your separation your term ends um we ask that you if you have any public records that are related to the
crb or the city you just forward those to the city clerk's office and we'll hold on to those for you um upon appointment um you this is basically what your orientation is and
everything with the um um information on a city email I don't know if all of you have received the city email yet have you have you received correspondence yes okay um basically that City email is
connected to your personal email and it's set up that way because a lot of times people don't remember to go in you have a new city email address and we'd be emailing agendas and and correspondents and nobody would get it because we're not used to checking something like that so we set it up in a
way where it just forwards to your personal email address so that way that is still City business and anything that goes through your city of Stewart assigned email address is something that we have access to so if ever we get a public records request and it's just for
email correspondence we have the ability to search that and we don't need to bother you with it if it then includes text messages or sometimes we have the ever popular all core respondents so that means we have to reach out to you as a board member for any text messages
any personal emails any um social media posts things like that so otherwise if it's on the city address we ask that you keep all your city correspondents on your city email address because of public record um but and if you receive
something personal we recommend forwarding it to your city email address as well that way the record is there um this just talks you mean just to clarify you mean if we receive something that is um pertinent to this
role in our personal email account that we should forward that to the correct yeah yes yes um let's see um and and I know Mark mentioned the annnual financial disclosure form um that is something
that we'll be reaching out to you about um the the State of Florida Commission on ethics annually requires um certain boards uh all the board members of certain boards to um complete an annual Financial disclosure it's really not
that difficult everything is electronic it's online online now but um we'll communicate with you I did leave a uh Financial disclosure um information log in your folder but it's it's a pretty simple process and we'll definitely be
with you guys every step of the way and then uh basically this is just some information um you know the first one doesn't really apply to you um that is for Commissioners and CRA board members well it does apply to the two new C board members so we'll be talking
talking about that but um basically our requirement is to provide you this public records training um you have your orientation packet and in that packet the blue and the green that information is in there we just try and give you some helpful tools a map of the city I
think was in there sus did we include yeah and um so anything in there is more informational that um thicker packet the uh Florida Commission on ethics guide to Sunshine Amendment that is a very good document and it's it's very helpful a
helpful resource so if you take a look at that that would help you um let's see so this is what we talked about basically with the city email um we give a recommendation what's in the box down there that if you do
receive an an email or a text or something if you can set it up with an automatic response that basically tells them that this is City business you know please email me at this email address um that's just a suggested uh
statement and then um submitt of public records to the city um there are some places that require you to turn over your public records and once that's done you can delete them the city of Stewart doesn't feel that way we don't agree
with that because ultimately the board member is responsible for your own public records when um if and when we have a public public records request that's when we'll ask you for those specific records and then it's your responsibility to hold on to those
records even again until your term is up because um if I get another public records request six months later and it includes some of that same information you're going to be asked to produce that again so we don't hold on to everything um for your
records and let's see um are there records that are related to City business that are not considered public record yes um not too many though to be honest I always look at it it's a good rule of thumb you know if you're not sure keep it um but notes things that
you use as um just reminders or rough drafts do you have any other examples of things that might it's pretty we get this a lot um mainly the Commissioners are on the radar Commissioners get a lot of public
records requests uh and some of the staff get public records requests but Commissioners could be up there writing notes down or reading from notes uh when they have public comments and then people will send a public records request what was he looking at or she looking at and that
is public records so um so these if it's just notes jotting down to remind you later of what was said or U or to remind yourself of something that that might not fall under um a public record um so that that's what she's explaining there
but that does happen I and I don't want I want to caution you because even though you are an Advisory Board you may get a Hot Topic come before you and then you're going to get a bunch of public records requests so um we want you to stay on your toes um with with the law
especially because you can get in trouble on this so I'll let you continue yeah and it doesn't happen very often so don't be nervous I mean it's more rare that Advisory board members are receiving public records requests but like Lee said sometimes if there's a real really hot topic that's coming
before you a lot of people will you know request your correspondence just to make sure people aren't communicating where they shouldn't be um and as everybody I didn't really touch base a whole lot on the Sunshine Law um that information is also in that that packet that you have but the Sunshine Law basically is about
transparency we want they if you're required and this board is required to follow the Sunshine Law you're not to communicate with each other on any communic any topic that may come before for you for a vote so once you leave this meeting if you guys are standing in the parking lot and you're chitchatting
about the weather or anything like that that's all great but you also have to consider that sometimes it's a perception if somebody else sees you guys talking or somebody goes out to lunch you very well could be talking about something that's going to come before the board so you just have to be careful with things like
that can I ask a question sure um in terms of like public record for us it just pertains to crb items correct not like not like uh commissioner Reed was here I probably sent him 20 emails about non crb things
I don't have to worry about keeping those no if you're if you've sent emails that information is within our records and we can go back and search that so you don't just just an example but I just want to clarify like it just pertains to our agenda items correct or
or any issue that might come up or that might okay that was the question that I had is is you know let's say I've sent a dozen emails about the bright line that hasn't come up for us but it might in the future so I should I would hold on to those just in case
okay and if they're emails you you should I mean it's easy to yeah and you can communicate with a commissioner especially a lot of times you guys have a commissioner liaison who appointed you and that's the whole point you can communicate with that person on how they feel about issues that are coming before
you on this board but communic ating amongst each other or even with another commissioner I think about items that are going to come before this board you just have to be well I mean I don't know that that's a great I think you're all right it's just each other it's it's just people on your board now there are
two of you that are on the board with the commission on the CRA every year so and another board those folks uh so it would be U board member James um and and and here BR bill you would need to be cautious about talking with a commiss
about something that's coming up for the c um it's an extra you're on the board with them but um the rest of you you can talk to your Commissioners um regularly if you need to especially before each meeting that's pretty common you just don't want to talk to each other about
issues that are coming up amongst you don't want to discuss amongst each other even one even two of you you know um you don't want to email and and I'm going to talk in a minute about social media I mean that's a that's a trap for public record
and I'll go over that in a minute okay um public records request so basically um if anyone asks you directly for a public records request you can recommend that they communicate to us and just refer them to the clerk's Department um if they want to if they persist and they
want to give you the request because they do have the right to do that um just take the information down and then contact us and we'll take care of it make it an official request um but requesters are not required to give their name they're not required to tell you why they want the record so you just
got to be careful sometimes if we ask those questions we could be subject to um a lawsuit really so um but basically if a records request is received for your information we'll take care of it we'll reach out and contact you um we would just expect you to search your
files we would let you know specifically what it is so you would search through your things and email us either the records or email us that uh you don't have anything and so um basically this is just what we already talked about if you
were to uh leave this position um we just ask that you you know go through all of your your devices and turn in any records that you have to us um by Statute it does say within 10 days of exiting office um and then um there's some
criminal uh consequences if you fail to turn over any records that you have but um Lee if you wanted to talk about a little more of this yeah she's got them up there on the on the slide um you do have you're on this board you volunteered you're not getting paid but
you got exposure so um and you've heard the the sunshine and in public records it's transparent the reason why they call it the sunshine you want to be in the sunshine you know everything you do they don't want you guys wheeling and dealing you know in the parking lot
about you know collaborate how you're going to vote on something you know they want you to have your discussions in the public so everybody can see it um and and and when they have public comments and address it um but there are some exposures for the public records and the
Sunshine uh she has them listed up there um primarily the biggest is someone um we we get a lot of public records and we've got a lot of creative lawyers out there that are looking for us not to disclose something and they sue us um
and try and get attorney's fees they're not suing for damages they're just suing hey you got to turn over these documents and we want $400 an hour for every hour spent getting this port order you know and and so sometimes those attorney fees
can rack up to a large amount um they would more than likely be going after the city but they could potentially go after you as well wow uh most of you probably a lot more difficult to get money out of and I'm not saying because you don't have it just because it's more difficult especially if you're married
and you know you have homesteaded property and all but the city will will get sued and have to pay attorney's fees uh but you do have to worry about there can be um a criminal misdemeanor um or or a fine up to th doll or both that's one and that's
probably more with the sunshine um then public records public records are probably going to be more of the uh civil lawsuit seek an attorney's fees um the other one is a non-criminal infraction pay up to
$500 um I mean this has happened locally I mean you can Google some I know some local cities on the Treasure Coast uh some of their board members primarily the commission or in some of them they call them the council members um they
have been at least sued or had criminal charges or um these non-criminal inra action for violations of public records and sunshine so um it even has happened close to home you could also be removed from the board um you you've heard the
ethics commission um and so sometimes someone can just file a complaint against you on an Ethics violation it's not criminal but um you could have a public censure that you violated the ethics uh and they could make a recommendation to State Attorney if it's
a crime to have you criminally charged or at least removed from the board um I wanted to um kind of just go over a couple things that I mentioned earlier about social media and I found a case um and
this is um Escambia County Board of Commissioners here in Florida and the case is bear just like the animal bear versus Escambia County Board of Commissioners and it it's got It's a case that was being litigated for a few years and it went up to the judge and
the judge made two okay couple opinions and I just want to I want to say this in abundance of caution because social media is a um it's a pitfall and a nightmare for us City attorneys um because you know a lot of you are publicly at you know you're you're
active that's why you're here and volunteering so you might be on social media giving your opinion and I would love to give my opinion I'm subject to the same rules you guys are um but I just don't because of public record so when you you know even if two of you are having a
conversation on Facebook or posting about the same same issue that's coming before you that could be a sunshine violation so you want to be careful um where you might cross the line and not know it another thing is is how are you going to keep track of all your posts
you know when someone ask you a public records request for all your posts on this issue and and so um this this this uh this commissioner um in in Escambia County he he got sued in in in federal court and the one issue was he was
posting on his own personal social Facebook page and it was closed so this guy sued him so that he would open up his personal Facebook page so everybody could comment on his on his stuff and and so um since he talked
about some of his potential dealings as a commissioner that the judge said yeah you would open up your private social media I mean it's crazy that yeah and become public you know and you don't want your posting about your grandkids or kids you know on there and everybody get to go and look at it I
mean it's you want you can reserve that to be more private but because he talked about certain stuff and it would be friends of his on Facebook that would ask him about something coming up and of course he would respond to him on his private social media and then he gets
sued over so um you know we're talking a few years of litigation this guy had to go through through um and then also um um they they had to disclose it was like 26,000 pages of Facebook mean where the
judge had to go through and and and they the judge ordered him to disclose I think like 126 pages and and then they get their attorney's fees I mean they probably got tens of, in attorneys fees just to get this order from the judge so I that's why I just want to caution you
and these are all like 2022 2023 this new social media these attorneys are finding ways get cases against uh board members you know and I that's why I just want to caution you uh I don't want you to be scared to death of going on social media
again but just um if you have any questions you know the city clerk and myself are here um five days a week most of the time sometimes even on the weekend but um but we're available to you so if you have questions please come in and and and I'd rather you ask a
question then we get sued and then I'm answering that question later because then you're going to have to deal with it I'm going to have to deal with it so that's all I wanted to say again open door so come and see us if you have any questions yes I agree and I mean one thing we used to say it was just kind of
a rule of thumb if you didn't want to see it you know if you wouldn't want to see what you say in a text or in an email on the front page of the newspaper just consider what you're writing about when you're writing about City business so um and then this is just kind of an
overview of what we talked about and it's you know it sounds kind of scary but it's really not it's it's quite simple so um this this board is subject to Sunshine Law and public records law uh it is your responsibility to maintain all board business related records
except for City emails um if you want to keep them keep them that's great but we also H will always have access to those um you will be contacted by the city City if a public records request is made for your records so um you don't have to like be on the lookout and think we'll
definitely get in touch with you if we have something um do your best to limit any City related texts or communication on personal devices um keeping it with the city email address is where what we recommend and that just makes it easier for you and for us um and when you
separate from the crb um just make sure you submit all those records to the city clerk so it's kind of as simple as that um does anybody have any questions nope all right I'd be happy to also email this presentation because I know there's kind of a lot of verbage in it or whatever and we kind of went
through it pretty quickly but if you want to refer back I'd be happy to email it to you as well so I think that's it all righty thanks Mary appreciate it Lee thank you appreciate all of that um board members you can't take it back you're on now
you're stuck no no no take backs and uh no take back but um also I want to publicly mention that my uh Facebook account got hacked about five years ago and I've never been on since so if you're getting anything from me on Facebook it's not me but um uh I did
want to thank uh staff uh want to thank Mary and suj for uh all of the for getting all this stuff together and um in the new board for taking a whole lot of time and I apologize I promise this will be the longest meeting of the year
so I just wanted to mention that so thanks uh motion to adjourn motion to journ