Okay. Commissioner Gob. >> I'm saving my comments for the commission meeting. Thank you, >> Commissioner Clark. >> Um, >> nothing right now. >> Mr. Vice Mayor, >> I had reached out to Panol earlier for
as much, but I was looking to see if she could provide a brief update on where we're at with Guy Davis and the skate park. >> Sure. Thank you uh for giving me the heads up. Um, so there were three pending items since we last met in July uh of this year. Uh, we were
coordinating with FPNL. We were finishing up the storm water report and the finalizing the skate park uh design. So just last week we re we received the redesign plans from uh from FPNL for the relocation of the poles. Our consultant
is reviewing that right now and as soon as that's approved, uh we'll issue permit to FPNL to go ahead and start relocating those poles. That will happen prior to us going in to do our construction. Um so that's moving forward. The drainage report was just
submitted to South Florida Water Management District earlier this month. Um so the best case scenario is that uh we should have comments from them by December 7th. That's the date we saw in the portal. Um, and we'll respond to
them um by end of December and we hope to have the permit issued by by end of January. That's if we don't run into any issues with the holidays. But if we do then we expect to have comments and responses completed and and permit
issued by end of February or early March. Uh so that's also moving forward. spawn ranch designed. Um we did give them a go ahead after our CRA meeting uh to start preparing the plans. Uh they were waiting for us to finalize our storm water report just in case if they
need to modify any uh design. Um so we expect to have their progress plans by end of December and their sign and seal plans by January. So as you can tell everything is kind of aligning to January, February. So, as soon as we
have all that approval and permits, uh we'll go ahead and submit our permits to our development our uh building department to have them review the plans. And uh they have been reviewing the plans throughout the process. But in order to issue the permit, we have to formally submit the plans through the
portal uh and and have those uh permits issued so that we can uh go out for construction. uh we will advertise bid sometimes as soon as we have the the permits the building permits by hopefully by end of May. This is again just worst case scenario. If everything
goes in line with reviews um then we hope to have start construction by late summer early fall. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. >> Government moves slowly. Commissioner Clark. >> Oh were you going to ask Mr. B will in
them or just the commission. Okay. All right. Fine. No, since >> you have a question regarding this issue. >> It wasn't a get regarding that issue, but I wanted to make a comment since I didn't do anything when it came to commissioner board comments. >> You wanted me to come back to you? >> Yes, you can come back to me.
>> Okay. >> Does that conclude your remarks? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Commissioner Clark. >> Oh, okay. You're back that quick. So since this is a CRA meeting, my question is for Mr. Bagot is um
you or we won't have any CRA. We'll have a CRA meeting in December. >> No. >> Yeah, we have a CRA meeting in No, no, we don't have a CRA meeting. Sorry. Just a CRB which was canceled. >> Okay. All right. So then when do we would we expect to have
uh uh do we needed to come back to the meeting or just have something done on the Hamilton property with regard to submitting things back to the state since this is where I think it's a CRA project.
>> We we still Lee Bagot for the record city attorney we are still trying to finalize the scope of work. So, Friday at the very end of the day, we've got a response from the Hamiltons on our last proposed scope of work, and I'm supposed
to schedule a time to meet with certain city staff to go over their actual provisions and comments that they had made most recent. We had did not have time to do that today, and being a short week, I'm not sure if it'll accomplish this week, but at the latest it'll be
next week, and then we'll have to respond to the Hamiltons again. And can you both you and Pinol recap for me the the timeline that if they do something and it goes to the DEEO and something else happens or it doesn't happen, what
exactly happens? Can you just recap that? >> We have to finalize the scope of work. That's the work that will be done that will go out for bid the contractors so that they can bid on it before it goes out for bid. Once we agree to a scope of work and before it goes out to bid, we
must present it to the Department of Commerce for their approval and then also >> Shipo >> on the historical the state's historical office. >> So we have and that I'd say 15 30 days for each of those. Is that probably a
rough estimate? >> We can try to expedite it. So hopefully by end of January, but we really need to come to a conclusion with the scope by early January in order to complete the project because we requested six months extension. I think that brings us to
about August. Um so we really need to nail down the the scope as soon as possible. >> It's been getting narrowed the scope of work, the issues that the city has in the Hampton have.
Do we need to instruct you further? >> Not at the moment. If we come to an impass and we can't agree to certain terms, we might have to bring it back for you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Lee. >> Do you have >> No, that's it. >> Commissioner Jo, you have a comment on
>> No. >> Oh, okay. >> Board member James, do you have any >> No comments? >> No. >> Board member Breville, >> I just have one comment. um relative to the issue that came up with the formula
business and um and what we have to do to to approve or disapprove one of those. Um I think that that needs some work. I think we need legal counsel, our legal counsel to take a look at it. I think we need to have something more definitive or maybe not, but I think we
need to give guidance to staff as to what would qualify and what wouldn't qualify because it's it puts everybody in a really tough spot and um and it probably puts the city in a tough spot down the road if um you know if somebody else comes in that's got similar
characteristics but maybe not the same attributes that we want and we don't define what those are and so you know we're stuck with whoever comes in. So, I just like to see, you know, see the commission maybe put a little um emphasis on trying to make that a
little bit more objective in terms of how to approach those. >> Okay, that's not a bad >> I just have a question for um >> Okay, >> are you talking about having guidelines or I guess I'm just missing what you're looking for. Oh, thank you. There's
there's 14 I think uh different things that that are laid out and some of those are very clear but the one that's probably going to come into play the most is does this will this have uh a significant impact negative impact on
the downtown and that's really broad I mean you know you could look at it as very narrow is it a product that competes with another uh store and or is it you know these guys are bigger and stronger and have more sources of income so they can afford to pay the rents
downtown where our local businesses might not be able to. So, it's that concept that I'm I'm concerned about is um we we definitely don't want empty storefronts. >> No. >> But but at the same time, you know, we have to be careful because we set
precedent for the next, you know, that comes in and and we may not want them. Um, you know, and and I, you know, like I said, that was a pretty large, you know, they were a pretty large company. They had 92, you know, 92 locations
around the United States and the applicant had three or four of their own. So, when Subway or Tropical Smoothie or somebody like that that works under the same type of scenario comes in, do we turn them down? How do we turn
them down? you know, or >> I think it left a lot of discretion too to discuss it among the commissioners. Um, yes, I understand there are large and they're across the United States, but there are none in this area. Does can't say the same for Tropical Smoothie and Subway. You know, you can hit most
corners in Stewart between here and Palm City or wherever and hit a few. That isn't going to happen with this entity that >> and I don't and I don't um I'm not saying that that wasn't a good decision to let them in. All right, that's not it at all. I'm just saying, let's take the
scenario you're talking about. What if what if they had had two other locations downtown or another location, you know, would we still approve them? >> No, that I think that's where it's at to the discretion of the commissioners who could say no, I'm sorry. First of all, they shouldn't have had to already
downtown. That would have been the issue. Uh because at somewhere along the line, two other commission boards would have approved it. So I think it's, you know, it leaves it up to the discretion and that's good to some degree, but >> it's very difficult. I think Lee would
probably say it's probably very difficult to defend when, you know, when somebody walks in with similar circumstances and you just don't happen to like how big they are or where they're at, you know, unhappy. >> And I I just I don't I just think that it's it's something that it puts the
staff in a tough position. I don't know they would, you know, specifically know how to turn somebody down. We haven't turned somebody down for a long time ever, I don't think. Um, we had the same franchise downtown before. I mean, they could have said they were grandfathered, but you know, the question is, um,
>> Right. >> Yeah, that's that. So, that's why I bring it up. I I think it's something probably the commission might, but I think it's CRA needs to look at it as as there's some changes that should be made. That would probably be a good place to start is with the CRA, >> right? >> Commissioner Reid, do you have
>> Yeah, for clarification, Mark, is it like specific language you're looking for? >> Um, because like I know I mentioned to Jody like you could put a limitation on a totality of how many formula based businesses because I think the whole purpose of that 300 square foot was to
limit it to some degree like if they were spaced out, but if we just provide relief for it anyway. Yeah, I think that >> what's the point to having it? >> You know, when you say something about having a broad impact and you don't specifically say what it is that's
causing that broad impact, positive or negative, it makes it very difficult then for staff to that's the one that's the problem. And so all I'm saying is I think that first item >> needs further clarification as to examples. Maybe all we do, you know, we're not bound by, but maybe we we
might give examples of of the types of things that we might uh not want or uh might not approve or whatever. >> Just put people on warning. >> No, I get what you're saying. And I think that's I'd like to think most board members wouldn't want some of the
businesses that are formulas based businesses down there. Um like Starbucks, McDonald's. Those are like given ones, I guess. And I guess the real question is is like you were saying, do they have an advantage over another local business? I mean, it's debatable. Some of these businesses might not even turn a profit. We don't
know their financial. Um, some of those people, you know, it could be a second, third, fourth business. Some people have businesses to not turn a profit. Um, just to keep them busy, I guess. I but I get what you're saying and I and I know a couple of the points you mentioned was
like like rent >> and stuff like that and it's >> it's it's very difficult I guess for us because we set the policy for land development code and then the market decides the rest >> unless you know it's like we give money to Steuart Main Street or we have the mural matching grant we have programs
like that but as far as controlling the rent and stuff that's like that's almost impossible. I mean >> no and I'm not talking about rent control. Wait a minute. I'm I'm not New York City. I'm not talking. You >> mentioned something about like >> what I'm talking about is this uh is
that it has an impact on rent because if I've got five locations, right, and those five locations are spread out even over around Florida. >> Mhm. Um, if if Stuart is having a bad month, Mount Door is having a good
month, somebody else is having so I've got enough I own enough businesses, enough franchises to give me some diversity on location so that I'm not subject to the economics of that specific location and therefore I don't have a problem paying a little higher rent because I know I can I can cover it
if not from Stuart. I'm just going to I'm just going to go to the vice mayor and then this is not the point of these comments is to initiate a discussion for which no one is prepared except the commenter. >> It's a good idea Mr. Breck Bill >> bring it up in the CRA put it on the
agenda. >> Okay, that's answer question but that's >> it's a reasonable concern. It's an old ordinance. Certainly the retail landscape has changed so it's sensible. Mr. Vice Mayor. >> Yeah, I would support also kicking that back to the CRB.
You're trying to create more of a bull work that's defensible so it's not arbitrary and capriccious >> to say yes or no. So the more individual like the 300 foot designation is a specific um you can defend using that. you know,
this was within 300 feet, but to to your point, you know, if there's a number of how many of of uh locations are there, how many are there within a certain radius, any any specific language like that helps build, you know, a more defensible case? And ultimately you can
say yes to whatever, but for the ones you say no to, that's what you're trying to build is more of a shield beyond even the one 300 foot designation or what's arbitrary and capriccious and um what we think today would not affect or affect downtown's character.
>> We're moving on. Commissioner Joy, >> I I have a question for the city attorney. I >> My question is, is this not the point where we can all speak to each other and discuss these items? if it's on discussion and >> you can but I would discourage taking
action because it hadn't been properly noticed. So I I think the best thing would be if you want to discuss it more that we instruct staff to bring it back on the next CRA and put it on the agenda >> perhaps CRB look at it and then we have a crack at it >> and then further discuss it on the CRA. >> Can we give you should we give you
direction to do that? >> Yeah, I think they need direction to do that >> to happen within the CRB. >> Okay. >> Right. You get the head nods. >> They're getting the message. >> Perfect. >> I have no comment. So Mr. baggage. Get back up there. Could you read item one for our consideration, please?
I'm support >> resolution number 07-2025 CR a resolution of the community redevelopment agency of the city of Stewart Florida authorizing the board chair to execute an agreement between the Stewart Community Redevelopment
Agency and Dana Small who is the property owner for a mural matching grant in the amount of $3,000 to install a mural on the exterior southern hall of a building located at 15 Southwest Flagler Avenue providing an effective
date providing for conditions of approval and for other purposes or oh I'm sorry >> yes good afternoon um CRA board members um Jordan Kingston CRA program manager for the record the CRA has received a mural matching grant application
proposing a mural on the exterior wall of the Matilda's building located at 15 Southwest Flaggler Avenue The application is processed simultaneously with a minor conditional use application which was approved at the CRB meeting earlier this month.
The objective of the program is to use murals as a catalyst for redefining redefining our area as a uh destination for arts and culture. Public art is a central component to the community revitalization. Art strengthens communities, drives tourism and fosters an environment of creativity and
innovation. Uh through this community re revitalization effort, we aim to engage the creative sector to drive economic development within the CRA. Um applicants are eligible to receive financial assistance in the form of a 5050 funds match not to exceed $3,000
for a new mural artwork that is visible from the public rightway. Each fiscal year, the CRA budgets 20,000 for the mural matching grant program. The program is available to private property owners, limited to the commercial and mixeduse buildings within the CRA. Murals are considered temporary works of
art and should be maintained for a minimum of 5 years. A mural may not use letters, words, numerals, figures, emblems, logos, or any combination thereof to advertise goods, services, or merchandise. The mural matching grant program was implemented in 2019 and has
assisted with the funding of seven murals throughout the CRA. Um the murals pictured are the guilt complex to home building old Colorado in urban botanicals and the VA building on MLK. As mentioned the proposed mural will be on the exterior southern wall of the
Matilda's building located at 15 southwest flag Flaggler Avenue. The artwork will be highly visible to the public by those visiting the shops in particular traffic in confusion corner and down southwest Flagler Avenue. Some of you may recall the original welcome to Steuart mosaic mural that was
previously at this location. The city and Martin arts or arts council applied for the national endowment of the arts grant in 2002 and there were four murals created as part of the project. Welcome to Steuart was one of them. The mural was designed and created by Moren
Fulgenzi, but unfortunately over the years tiles began to weather and the cracks and colors faded. There were also roof leaks that caused some of the smaller tiles to fall off. Ultimately, the maintenance of the mural became too difficult and currently the proposed mural location is blank and lights have
been strategically placed above for the weighted mural. The new proposed mural will refresh refresh the building and bring a more vibrant twist from the original mosaic mural. The new welcome to Steuart happiest seaside town mural welcomes visitors downtown with vibrant nature
inspired elements unique to Florida. The mural has a lively vintage feel which complements the neighboring businesses and historic charm of the shopping district. The proposed mural will be about 18 feet wide by 14 ft high and correlates well with the surrounding murals in the historic downtown
district. The artwork will be executed by Cynthia Santos, who has been in the industry since 2013 and has had experience working on murals of this size and quality. On November 4th, 2025, the CRB voted unanimously to approve the Matilda's
minor conditional use application with the following conditions. The project shall comply with the attached mural rendering in exhibit D. The property owner shall be responsible for maintenance of the artwork on the building located at 15 Southwest Flagler Avenue, and the artist will adjust the S
in Stewart to be more visible. Um, also during that meeting there were comments made by the board um about the nature elements and the sailfish included in the proposed artwork which staff would like to address after receiving feedback from the Martin from Martin Arts or the
arts council. Um, one concern was that the oranges, the spoon bills and the plants were not native to Stewart. Um, however, Florida is famous for oranges and the color perspective they complements the mural and then the spoon bills can be found on the treasure
coast. Um, and that color also plays well with the overall mural. Um, and the monistra is not native, so sea grapes could be used. Um, but today we certainly see plenty of these types of plants in our landscaped areas. Um, they
were also seeking confirmation that the sailfish is correctly depicted. Um, Martin Arts confirmed that the sailfish could benefit from a slightly more defined fin to emphasize its shape. However, the style of the mural is more playful and it can be up to
interpretation and it's not a literal rendering. Um, the CRB also voted unanimously at that meeting to approve resolution number 07-2025 for the mural matching grant program funding. without any questions.
Um, so I'm sorry. Were you done? >> I was just gonna um say at this time if you'd like to make a motion to approve the resolution. >> I think the vice mayor has some questions of you. >> Um really comments. Um
this project is $21,000 estimated, right? They're getting 3,000 from us. >> Correct. This is one of those instances where I feel like, you know, it's more of a headache for somebody to get anything from the government. I think we
should leave it alone. Uh, as as it's presented, it's on a blue background. You can see the S fine. I love Mona delissiosa. It's an edible plant. Oranges are fantastic. The sailfish is great. Um, I I like it how it is. They're getting
$3,000 from us. I would move that we just approve it as it's presented without any other nonsense attached would be my recommendation. >> So I I do want to confirm and I have >> Oh well I would like the rest of the commission to ask questions of staff
before we motion. >> Can I just can I say something >> can I say something regarding that if you don't mind? So actually um artwork itself the final approved artwork is approved through CRB. So really the artwork itself has already been
approved. This is just for the mural matching grant program. So the minor code conditional use was approved through CRB only. Um so I'm I can seek further guidance but I I believe the artwork can no longer be changed as per
the motion that was passed by CRB. >> I agree like the original one. >> Are there any other questions of staff from the commission? So, can I >> So, can I I'd like to clarify. So, the CRB made changes to the artwork then
>> or No. >> Yes. They are they requested that the S be more visible as part of their motion. >> And you're saying that this board can't override the CRB's ideas? >> Well, I >> we could if we wanted to >> as an advisory board
>> because it's Sorry, >> just curious. Of course we could. >> I know. >> For public art specifically, they are the approving board. >> That's the only one item that they get to approve and not recommend. >> All right.
>> Okay. Why would he come before us if we have no say? >> Because we have to spend the money. >> Ah, but then we see no other questions. >> How do you feel about it? I mean, it's really >> Hold on. No other questions for staff. I'll entertain a motion. >> He did.
>> Yeah. I'd like to move approval as recommended. >> Second is >> We have a motion by the vice mayor and a second by Commissioner Clark. Is there any public comment on this item? >> I have none. >> None. >> Miss D. >> Because you made the effort to be here.
>> I know. Um and I really respect that. you see how much well obviously financial um obligation I've actually already paid in full and um I didn't I wasn't even aware that there was a grant process so just even going through the application um I found out about this
and of course I was like okay that would be nice to take advantage but um and I just realized for the record I did not state my name so Dana Small um I have lived in Stewart for 25 years I've run my business Matilda's uh for 18 years in
the building in in that said building and we're celebrating 18 years this week and I purchased the building myself three years ago after working tirelessly in the retail world and um very proud of the building over the last two years. Uh
we have spent a great deal of money investing in all impact windows and new lighting and resurfacing and all of the things um that I can do to make you know downtown Stewart um just prettier, more
aesthetic, kind of bring us up time we built the building or I bought the building um we had a foundation issue. We had a roof leak, you know, there was a crack behind it and all those things and all of a sudden it just started unfolding as I was a new building owner
and um realizing I had to put more money into the space and it was like there wasn't really a way to salvage the mural. Um, and I also wanted something and you know in hindsight um my mind was going towards anything that was
marketable. You know uh I'm a big Instagrammer. Instagram and social platforms you know run the world whether we like it or not. And I saw this opportunity to bring it up to you know this this time this moment. And um not
to talk about the bright line, but you know, I don't I don't know where that falls right now, but I really we face the tracks and I wanted something that when people go by and there's this anticipation, there's a a happiness, something bright and cheery and when
that train slows down any passenger train, it sees this, it sees something that not only, you know, represents Steuart native, but also Florida. We live in Florida. This isn't Stewart, Alabama. So, you know, whether there's a question about oranges and a Mona and
Spoonvilles. Um, you know, I just think that this the the artist I chose, I mean, I did invest money into looking at other artisans. Um, I found her in Miami because I saw her piece in the Gables and I was totally struck by the vintage
feel. I just, it reminded me being a kid. I'm from Ohio, coming to Fort Lauderdale to visit my grandmother. kind of this copper tone vintage. You know, no one was pinpointing, oh, those plants aren't native, or we have seaggrasses versus monstera. And I actually see
spoonvilles driving down my street on a regular basis. Um, and I don't know where they live. I'd like to find them, but >> I just think that this I wanted to be happy. I mean, and and you know, Coastal Living um coined us and titled us
happiest seaside town in the country several years back. And um I just I just love that. And I even think last year USA Today also said, you know, greatest small town in America to grow up in or build in or live in. Um and I just
wanted something we know Sailfish Capital of the World is here. We've got the colors and I do appreciate everyone who's commented on the aesthetic of the balance of color. And um I love it. And you know, one of the things it's it's very hard to understand the scale of
this and the S alone is about six feet tall. So if you look at the perspective and you've got 18 feet wide by 14, so that's shorter and I'm shorter than six feet, but the S is, you know, and the artist is very aware. um you know we've
already discussed things where there's a slight leaf on the one part of the S that that can just not be there and you know to ensure it but you know as >> looks kind of 3D though it's cool >> it is the little leaves going on the S >> you know so approval process but you
know I'm very proud of it and I think a lot of people we really want it to be something that people you know for years people stood in front of the old mural and took pictures and and so forth and I really you know I wanted to start with the welcome to Steuart. I thought there was no reason to get rid of that. It was
just something >> I kind of wanted to be the the welcome committee for, you know, that gets so much traffic. You know, we might like to talk about putting a speed bump in, but you know, um but you know, I just love that the amount of traffic that that that wall gets and I don't know what
else I would put on it. So, >> thank you so much. It's terrific. >> Well, thank you. I really >> vice mayor, do you have another comment? >> Yes. So, thank you for spending so much money and time and and expertise on on having this. I agree with you. This will be one of those, you know, people taking photos and putting them up on Instagram
and tagging the city and your business. This is a great idea. >> I would like to amend my motion >> to include the artwork as presented. >> So, not with none of the CRB recommendations. I'm going to trump the
CRB >> and exactly as presented, exactly as she has invested money into. I would like to um override >> what changes >> CRB. So they want her to come back with different plants and different birds and
the different sailfish fin. I would just as well leave it alone >> as is. It's beautiful. >> Just like if she likes it, she spent this much money on it. Let her have what she wants. Exactly like she wants. >> Give her $3,000 and be done. >> Does Mr. Bagot need to address this? >> I second the motion.
Um it is true under um our our uh code that you delegated the authority to the CRB. The only authority they have for final decision is art public art. So they did make the decision but you delegated the authority to CRB. So you technically trump it as as Commissioner
Collins has said. I don't you know uh well within the authority to do that I don't know that there would be any um I if you guys not majority of you vote for it I mean that's that's up to you you but you did
delegate the authority to the CRB and and that's the only final authority that they have everything else is advisory >> you Lee I did have a question would that mean absolutely >> sorry for the record like that came through as a minor conditional use
application which was a separate agenda item. So >> that that is true. It was separate. My my concern is to pro properly notice because that wasn't on the agenda today because we already it was a separate resolution. >> Right. I just don't want to hold her
mural up. I also I also agree that I love it as is, but that's my personal opinion too. This was recommendation from the Martin Arts Council and that's why the CRB voted that way. So I I just want to get clarification
>> and I I guess the resolution approving it clarifying clearing up the S. It kind of vague anyway. I mean what does that mean? >> That was the only change. Clearing up the S. >> They had all kinds of different ideas, different plans, different sailish fin. >> No, those were those were just comments
that I was trying to address because we had CRB members here because they would never see this item again. So the motion that was made with the conditions really was only to revise the s those other things >> in any specific way.
>> Um make it more visible >> and I think >> so that's vague enough. We should be fine then. >> Yeah and I think she discussed that they were already going to take away a couple of the leaves. >> I mean they had about fun but that's all >> that's all. The other was pure discussion. >> Then then I would uh I would like to
maintain my original motion. Sorry for the >> on here. He's motion madness. >> Motion madness. >> Keep track of this. We're capable of doing this. >> You never withdrew your first motion. So, we're just going to go back. >> I was amending. Yes. Yes. So, we're just going to go back to the approving this.
>> Do you have the original motion? >> Yes. >> Perfect. >> I have a second by Commissioner Clark. >> Yes. >> Forgive the madness. Thank you so much. I love what you have here. >> I love it, too. >> Beautiful addition to the city. Thank you. >> That's right. Can I make
>> Are we clear? Commissioner Clark, >> you have a question. You have a light. Your light is on. >> No, it was it was to deal with the um I don't know there were changes or madness, but since we're talking and you're I don't think it will cause a big
change in your arch your drawing, but I think that just the one orange at the top of the S there. Maybe if that went away, that would also help the S to go. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Okay. >> I'm going to go with sufficiently vague.
>> Second. >> Okay. >> Any other comments or questions from the commissioner? Board members. >> I'll just I just want to me mention that >> the CRB their their real uh their only real issue was what the arts council
mentioned was that the S got kind of >> the way it was it was kind of getting lost in there. And so they wanted to see if they could do something with that to make it more visible. Um that we did get into a discuss a discussion of flora and fauna and I don't know what any of that
stuff is and that wasn't a major issue. >> There's no reason to bring that up at this point >> but but the the and and the that board realized that they do have the final authority and they couldn't send it to you guys for comment or or so I I think
that they were kind of you know they were open to some comment. The one comment that I made kind of jokingly was let's make sure the sailfish is a sailfish and not because we had that happen before and so that was the only comment that I made is that if that's not a sailfish it should be one but but
otherwise that was that was what happened at that level. So I don't think we really have a conflict. >> Thank you >> Mr. James. Board member James. >> Can I my only comment is that vice mayor just trumped us and we would have had an issue but he amended that motion. Thank
you. >> Now, Commissioner Clark, apparently you have a concern. >> Yeah, a couple couple of things. So, I I do agree about the authority of the CRB and then the idea of including the whatever the arts council include and it
is important and I think Miss Small said it, people take pictures and so on and if you actually take a picture in front of it and somebody says, "Oh, that's not a sailfish or that's not this. That's critical. So I think it's important that
she and her artists or whoever they they make sure that all those things are right and I think that they were pertinent in giving those comments as to the fact of whether something is a native or non-native. I know that a lot of people use the monstera plant around
here and they eat the fruits and they were at the courthouse right there by the arts council at one time before they took them off. If we have guidelines or if we need to have guidelines in the future for people who are designing things to say use native plants or
native this or that then you know there but otherwise I think it's it's within the purview of the person who's developing these things and I think it's fine for our area because all of these things are within our area but if we're going to say that the city of Stewart
only represents things that are in the um native plant list and nothing else should be on anything that might even be approved or paid for through some type of grant with the city of Stewart, then we need to be careful about that. But
otherwise, I think something prominent like the sailfish needs to do look like a sailfish and and and and must be um must meet that criteria. I think that that's those are important and we're not trying to deny or take away anything
from the CRB. That is their duty what they have to do and they did a good job in identifying those things and and calling them out. But I think that in the long run when we do the final thing with approving the funds that you're bringing in front of us with this
project, we also do have the authority to um to um make sure that you know if we need to do one little final little tweak or something, we can be able to do it. And I I appreciate you coming forward with this. And um I think it
would be a great addition to the city of Stewart and to the downtown area. And we do appreciate the input of the CRB and the Arts Council. >> Roll call, please. >> Board member James, >> yes.
>> Board member Gobi, >> yes. >> Board member Clark, >> yes. >> Chair Rich, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Collins, >> yes. >> Board member Breckill, >> yes. >> Board member Reid, >> yes. >> Thank you. And good luck, Miss Small. >> Thank you so much.
>> Thank you. We'll come take a picture in front of you. >> Happy Thanksgiving. >> Happygiving. >> That concludes our work. >> Yeah, we got one more item, but I don't know. >> Oranges aren't native.
>> Oranges aren't native. >> I know. >> It's ridiculous. >> Should have had mangoes, right? >> What? Should have had mangoes. >> Could have had pineappa's got a mango, too. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Um, can we have a staff update, please, on the Boys and Girl
Club rear entrance gate, >> Jody? >> Yes. Uh, good evening board members. Uh, my name is Jody Cougler, the development director for the city of Stewart. Uh, this item was brought from the CRB or CRA board last in in September, I do
believe, um, to talk about the Boys and Girls traffic and circulation throughout the site and, uh, what the city can do to try to help with mitigate some of these impacts. Um we did have an opportunity to meet with the director of the Boys and Girls Club last week and uh
he is aware of there's some issues with traffic and um speeding and parking along high school high school road and um so I know that he's looking at different alternatives to try to see if he can work with the school board to
open up the back gates and go along to Georgia Avenue instead of directing everything down high school or through Martin Luther King Boulevard. The other thing that we are also looking at is um addressing the speed on the road on Martin Luther King and High
School. Um so I am going to bring up our our chief um it happens to be that the next location for the speed trailer was going to be Martin Luther King right by Boys and Girls Club. So that was relocated on Friday and he can kind of give you some updates on that as well.
>> Hello. Um, yes. On Friday, we repositioned the u speed trailer to Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard. It's between Smith Turner Park and the city garage. And uh after conversation with Jody, we have a speed sign that goes on
to like a stop sign or a post on the side of the road that we'll we'll move over to High School Avenue either later today or tomorrow and monitor that for the next two weeks and see what we have with a speed issue over there. Um and obviously with our traffic uh cars that are out on duty now, this will be a an
area of uh concentration for them as time permits between the other priorities to crack down any speeding issues. I know that they've already spent time on MLK on Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard. Uh we haven't had them positioned on High School Avenue yet, just in prior order priority. They've been on other assignments right now.
>> You have a question of the chief commissioner Clark. >> Yes. Do you have any counts of who's using what entrance for their ingress and egress? Because I see the pattern when I'm when I do happen to be at the uh Boys and Girls Club. It it appears
that people come in they do come in from High School Avenue and then they come out on Martin Luther King. I don't know if it's something that um they've instructed them to do, but it seems like a lot of people come from the side and they come around the front and because
it's It's the way to pick up and go out that way easier. >> So, I do not have any specific counts. We have not been out there to track the the number of cars coming and going. I think Jody might be able to tell us. Um, I think they have a traffic plan where they wanted the cars to come in from
High School Avenue and leave through Martin Junard, but that was developed by the Boys and Girls Club. We didn't have any influence or say so on that. At least not to this point. Not from the police department side. And so in that regard, you don't have any current or at
least pre-B Boyo and Girls Club traffic count numbers on High School Avenue either. You've never had traffic counts on High School Avenue. >> Not >> that back ent school board >> not available. I will check with Milton to see if they did any counts from his
side. I don't recall any, at least none in recent history, but I'd have to ask Milton if they had anything from their traffic counter that they'll put out from time to time. I don't know if it was done in conjunction with construction in the past. Um, I could certainly ask him to see if he has any data, but we do not have any at the
police department. And h does the police department have any complaints from or from people who are either on like Fifth Street or Stipman uh going towards, you know, Balo or Cortez in that area? Do
are they hearing from residents that there's more people in that area or is it just directly on High School between East Ocean and the Boys and Girls Club where we have a problem? I have not heard of any other complaints beyond that area. So, no, I have not uh
addressed any issues or heard from any citizens about anything beyond High School Avenue. >> I'll I'll actually answer that for you, Commissioner Kirk, because I was coincidentally enough at 4:15 a couple days ago. I was looking at that ficus
tree that was, you know, on up for debate on Stipman. And I've had friends who have lived on Stipman, three friends who've lived for decades. And I was really struck by how much traffic is on Stitman heading right for high school.
And uh I was speaking to neighbors about the tree and also the traffic. And no, no, no. They're very concerned and very aware that there's a much higher level of traffic on at least stipment. I don't know about fifth, but I think we should definitely do a traffic count on Stipman.
>> Okay. All right. That's what I was trying to get at. See if we need to look at that. Yeah, I will work with Milton and see >> and I was told that that's not even the busy time. 4:15 to 4:30 it's 5 you were out there at 4:15. >> Yeah, 4:15 to 4:30 talking about a fus
tree. >> I I have been told by citizens who live along Cortez that the stop signs that are out there are are are helpful in slowing traffic down because they're they're stop signs between MLK and East Ocean Boulevard at every Oh, absolutely. That's from about a year ago or so when those were
>> Well, they're on Yeah, they're know thank god they're there. Yeah, >> but you got St. Middle was getting out at that time pretty close to that. They're they would have been within >> probably. >> Well, I asked about it and they they just said that No, no, that's not even the busy time. The busy time is 5:15 to
6. So, if that's not the busy time, then that's really something. Commissioner Reid, do you have a question of the chief? >> Yeah, it was going to be for traffic count as well. And this one um is for you, Jody. I know someone had mentioned that did the Boys and Girls Club ever
say that only employees would use High School Avenue or anything like that? Was that ever said at the original meeting when that approved? >> So, this is a minor site plan. It did not go through a uh any type of public
hearing. So, there was no requirements for that. So, if there was conversation that this the Boys and Girls Club had with the with the neighborhood, the surrounding neighborhood, uh the development department was not pervy of that. Um they did demonstrate where they
were going to be using the back gate >> to pick up the children in the evening between 4:00 and 6:00. Uh they're not supposed to leave their cars. They basically circle through. They don't release children. We did talk to the director and he kind of explained how they are working through the process.
But if there was conversation that is not something that was >> provided or studied through the development department. >> All right. >> Thank >> Okay. >> We'll keep you updated. >> Thank you. >> Anything else, Jody? >> That's it. >> Okay.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you, Jody. Um, so a solution is possible going out through the middle school there, right? >> Yes. The director is reaching out to the middle school right now to find out what's some alternatives that they can
keep some of those back gates um open to Georgia. And I'm going to let our intern city manager uh talk about that as well. >> Um, I Louis Bogle, for the record, we did have a productive meeting with Fletch from Boys and Girls Club. Uh unfortunately I reached out to the superintendent myself but they're off
this week. So we have a basically a telephone call back meeting scheduled for Monday and I I left the subject was to explore that. Uh Jody the map that you had up previously >> and so u I myself drove this track and
the gates to uh Steuart Middle School were open over the weekend. So basically it would be a natural flow to come in high school, pick up the kid, and then take a right right there and follow that track around to what is the bus turn lane. Go up a little more, >> Jody. Yeah.
>> And then exit out of Georgia over there. There's a fence right there, a gate that if that was open and Yeah, there it is on Georgia. So then basically they would make all rights all the way out. That seemed pretty logical to us. And it we don't think that the Boys and Girls Club hours would overlap with Steuart Middle
School's hours. their schools already closed by the time >> Boys and Girls Club will be doing that. So that's the that's the solution that we're researching. Fletch is going from his end. I reached out to the superintendent from my end. So we're going to try and attack this from both sides. >> I mean, why do they say they have to keep that back gate open?
>> Uh I don't I don't know why they have to keep it closed. The the issue is when I drove there myself over the weekend, they were open. So it it was a very natural flow. It's already striped that way. I think that would be a good solution if the school board's open to it. Um, I know they keep the go the gates closed during the school hours,
but since this traffic issue aligns with the Boys and Girls Club hours of pickup, um, we're hoping that maybe we can arrive at an arrangement to leave that gate system open and allow the traffic to flow right through there and get out on Georgia. And, uh, because Fletch said
even some of the parents, uh, U-turn inside their own parking lot and try to go back out high school um, you know, because that's the way they want to go. So several several of the issues have have been determined. They've discussed a crosswalk guard. They've discussed lots of things. So I mean this is
certainly an issue that we're working on and and the Boys and Girls Club was interested in being a good neighbor and a partner with the city on that. >> Okay. >> We'll find a solution. >> You're confident? >> Yes.
>> Any other questions of Jody or the chief? Seeing none. See no other items for our consideration. The meeting is adjourned. >> Thank you, Mr. J.