I'm calling this meeting of the community redevelopment agency for the 22nd of September 25 to order. Roll call, please. >> You cannot hear me. >> Okay. Thank you. I'm calling this meeting to order
for the community redevelopment agency for the 22nd of September, 2025. Roll call, please. Madame clerk. >> Chair Rich, >> here. >> Vice Chair Collins, >> here. >> Board member Clark, >> here. Board member Gio, >> board member Reed >> here,
>> board member Brookville >> here, >> board member James. >> Okay, please stand for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation
indivisible with liberty andice for all. Can I get a motion for the approval of the agenda, please? >> Approval of the agenda um for the CRA as published. >> Second. >> We have a motion by board member Clark and a second by the vice mayor. Is there
any public comment on this item? >> Seeing none, all in favor? >> I >> opposed. Motion passes. Can I get a motion for the approval of the minutes? >> So moved with modification. >> Okay. Board member. Second what?
>> Oh, board member Breck Bill would like to correct an error. >> Yes, I was going to say I was going to second it with the modification. I wasn't sure what he was modifying. >> What I was modifying. >> I haven't listened to what he puts in there. >> What is Okay. Modification. >> I just wanted to make a clarification.
Let me get my I got my my phone here. Let me get a clarification. Uh under the uh comments for the uh members. Um, I had made a comment about not wanting to move the roll back uh, not want to roll
back the millage rate, but instead make whatever improvements or changes we could make, but um, take the tax savings from that and rebate it to our uh, consu, our citizens through fee reduction. Because with the with it
doing it the way it is, the big developers and everything are going to get the biggest benefit out of the tax break and the little guys aren't. So I wanted to do that and I wanted to make clear that was what I was saying. It stops with want to raise the millillage because I don't want to just do that. But >> anyway,
>> do you feel understand we spoke about it? >> No, I'm just talking about >> I'll go back and listen to the recording and double check. that fire assessment would be a thing or you know utility. >> No, I remember him saying that. So, the clerk has indicated board member Breville that she'll they'll go back and listen to the tape and make the
correction. Is that okay with you? >> Yes, that's perfect. >> Okay. Will you make a motion then, please? >> I would make a motion to uh approve the minutes uh with the modification that the clerk's going to make. >> Seconded. >> Okay. We have a motion by board member Breville and a second by board member
Clark. Do we have any public comment regarding the minutes? Seeing none, all in favor? >> I >> opposed. Motion passes. Comments from the public on non-aggenda related items. Madame clerk, do we have any green cards?
>> Um, I do. Robin Cartwright. >> Okay. >> Not at this point. No. Then >> okay, >> good afternoon, commissioners. Today I had the privilege of meeting with the city manager and city attorney,
presumably because of my background, to discuss the grant process and where there were deficiencies and opportunities for improvement. I am grateful for the invite and I had high hopes, but after sharing what I'm about to share with you, I seriously doubt I'll be invited back. Looking back over my notes, I think I was invited so the city might have someone on their side
and maybe check something off a list. But also, if I didn't go, it could be said that the manager extended an olive branch and I did and I declined. And I was prepared with questions about the process and workflows. And I researched how other cities do this work, and I took it very seriously. I had four pages of questions. I asked all of my
questions, and there were a lot of responses I didn't ask for, and we met for a total of about two hours. The city manager opened with and continued to talk about all the reasons why the city wasn't at fault for most things with the occasional acknowledgement of fault while sim simultaneously casting dispersions. On a side note, I would
recommend you ask the city manager to state who he thinks is at fault at least partially. I closed my part of the meeting with that it would be a great opportunity for the city to have a PR win. I even said as someone who has had an acrimonious relationship with the city, why would you want another enemy? And it doesn't matter who did what up to
this point. It's irrelevant. There's a problem that needs to be fixed. acknowledge what was wrong, agree with the scope of work, and move forward. You can deal with the stuff outside of the scope of work later." Their immediate response was for that the Hamiltons refused to work with staff. And in that same breath, the city manager talked about the code of ethics and why it
exists, naming former commissioner Tom Campenny and making sure he read to me why any of the current commissioners could theoretically be removed. But for any grant recipient, they presumably have never received a grant. And so, you can only go off the information being provided to you. The city has made this about the Hamiltons and their emails and
actions instead of where the city failed. And regardless of what you think of anybody's personality, here's what cannot be argued. The city was the project manager. The city performed the inspections, not Patriot or Guardians or a third party. And the city paid for subpar work to be done. I wonder if only
one of us was there for an opportunity to be better, especially as this city manager shared with me personal financial information about the Hamiltons. And FYI, I was scoffed at by the city manager and the city attorney and I was sure to point that out. And they wonder why people don't come to staff or to them when there's an issue
that needs to be resolved. This isn't personal. Don't let the city manager and staff make it personal. There is enough fault to go around. Your job is to determine the responsibility the city has to resolve this and what responsibility you have going forward. Thank you. >> Thank you. Let the record reflect that
we have been joined by board member Joby. >> Sorry, I apologize. Okay. >> Took me longer to walk over than I thought. >> Madame clerk, do we have any other? >> I have no further public comment. >> Okay. Um,
action item number two, CRA budget and Mr. Bag, do you want to read this or should I just go ahead? I'll go ahead. Okay. So this is resolution number 06-2025 CRA a resolution of the board of the community redevelopment agency of the
city of Stewart Florida adopting the CRA budget of the city of Steuart Florida for fiscal year beginning October 1, 2025 and ending September 30, 2026 and appropriating capital budget for fiscal year 26 and providing for a 5-year
capital improvement plan for projects within the community redevelopment area boundaries. providing an effective date and for other purposes. Is there any presentation by staff on this item? >> Yes, >> I'll give the presentation. Panel Gandhi Sabus, >> Gandhi Sabnus,
>> CRA director for the record. Um, every year CRA is required to present its annual budget to the CRA board for approval uh by a resolution uh to comply with state law. Um, here is uh a brief
summary of the TIFF revenue. Um the CRA's original base value is $299 million and the current taxable value for the city is nine for the CRA is uh 940 million. Uh so they get this gives
us about $641 million in increment value. So that means the payment to the CRA from the general fund with the 2 uh with the 4.9 millillage is $2.9 million and the county payment to the CRA is
about $4 million uh for a total tiff revenue of $6.9 million to the CRA trust fund. Uh here's a chart that shows the breakdown of CRA revenues from all sources. Um, as I mentioned earlier, the
county's TIF contribution is about $4 million. Uh, the city's contribution from the general fund is about $2.9 million. And then the additional revenue sources come from uh 12.9 million is from grants, $35,000 in interest
revenue, 2700 from the wayfinding sign programs, and then uh 488,000 from the CRA fund balance to balance this year's budget. So altogether this results in a total revenue CRA revenue of 20.5
million for fiscal year 2026. >> I had no idea we were getting money from Marin County, California. If you go back >> Martin County Oh, sorry that's a typo. >> Um so this shows the appropriation by
category. uh total of 20.5 million is budgeted in various categories including operating expenses. Um and then personal services which include salaries and benefits for the CRA staff. Uh professional services for planning and
design uh uh for projects uh that the CRA is currently working on. Uh grants for incentive programs such as the BURP and mural matching grant. Um as you can see those are all small percentages. Um and we also have other uses such as tram
service, FEC leases and um various downtown maintenance projects. Uh but most importantly, you will notice that 88% of our budget is dedicated to infrastructure projects. Uh we are responsible for budgeting and appropriating TIF funds for capital
improvement projects and allocating this through uh a C five-year CIP which outlines the capital projects to be implemented in the next five years. Um you've seen this budget summary sheet. Um I presented this uh
previously. The Guy Davis Park uh we budgeted that for $10.7 million uh in the fiscal year 2026. Downtown undergrounding undergrounding uh which is also underway. Uh but we do have some unexpended funds um that are remaining
for utility fees such as AT&T and Comcast that have not been uh paid yet. So there's a remaining balance that's reflected in the 2026 budget and CIP Riverside Park Improvement Project. Again at the last meeting I had mentioned that project is substantially
completed. Uh but there is a small balance remaining in fiscal year 2026 to cover uh the closeout cost. project lift. That project is underway with demolition is scheduled first week of October. Um again, we have some outstanding building permit fees and
contingency costs that are budgeted for fiscal year 2026. Sitman drainage and sidewalk improvements project is budgeted at $4 million. Uh we had the neighborhood meeting last week. Um and we'll be presenting the design uh to the
board in October. Uh but we did budget uh 4 million for that project. tree canopy program within the right-of-way is budgeted $150,000. Uh this project will include evaluating the existing uh canopy coverage within
the CRA. We'll identify areas where additional planting is required. We'll develop a a CRAwide infill master plan uh with preferred tree species list u that'll be presented to the board. Uh we'll prioritize the areas and phase out
uh infill implementation. Um and then we'll prepare sight specific infill plans. We need to look at if there are any conflicts with utilities, drain inlets, street lights, drainage, and available space. Um prepare bid package, advertise, and award contract.
So that's a whole program um that will uh will undertake uh in fiscal year 2026. And here are the other projects included in the CIP that are projected to be implemented starting in 2027. Uh th that includes the Dixie Highway
improvement projects, MLK Streetscape, Bayou Pedestrian Bridge, um any other streetscape projects in the Triangle District, uh East Stewart neighborhood, and then we're also looking at doing the 10th Street Community Center rehab project um in 2028
and any other streetscape improvements uh on 10th Street. So, that kind of summarizes our five-year CIP. Um today staff is requesting to approve resolution number 06-2025 2025 adopting the CRA budget for fiscal
year 2026 and capital improvement plan. >> Are there any questions of Miss Gandhi Sabis in the commission? >> How's the hairs program doing at all? We are um we're working with one of the applicant uh but we're we requested
additional information and that's kind of delaying the process. So we do have one application that we're working on. >> And then um I know Vice Vice Mayor Collins might know more about this. I see a bunch of complete streetscapes in here. I know you mentioned something
about complete streetscapes in one of your comments not wanting to do them in neighborhoods without I believe getting their approval or you said something along those lines. You might know more. I just remember you mentioning it. >> Particularly when we were back over off
Fifth Street in Stitman. It seemed like there was a lot a lot of planning went into it but then when we ended up having that meeting the residents were not happy about the prospect of sidewalks. couldn't figure out who whose side of the road the sidewalks would go on and >> Gotcha. >> But we we had a really successful
meeting last week. So, um we hope to get your support when we present the project next month. >> And then I had one more panel. There was a line item for 300,000. I believe it's like a redevelopment agreement with Aan Leah and Atlantic
Point Marina and Elizabeth. I just didn't know what it was for like maybe some backstory on it. >> Yes, that's our reader program, real estate accelerator pilot program that we initiated back in 2018 2019
>> uh where we were trying to encourage development at that time uh because there was shortage of housing. So that was we had an in it was like an incentive program to encourage developers to incorporate some of the short shortage in housing or but also
they there was public benefits that they would provide. So like for Avan Leah they did a lot of the streetscape improvements as part of their project. So instead of the CRA doing the design and implementing it, it was incorporated as part of their project and it was
something it was a new tiff revenue that would be generated from their project that we would we would give back uh as an incentive like up to five years. >> So they did over million dollar of streetscape improvements within the AIA neighborhood if you if you go up like by
Savannah and all that area Baker. Um, so all that was done through the developer, but instead of CRA spending the money, they spent the money and that's a public benefit. Um, and then as a kickback, we have an agreement with Aan Leah >> to reimburse them from the tiff revenue
that they generated from the project itself. >> So 300 grand for five years. Is that the nature of the arrangement? >> It's uh so there's I think there are like 10 parcels there. So based on when those parcels get developed, the five years for those parcels. >> Okay.
>> And on on the uh one that's uh the Atlantic Point, I think it's one, how big is that number? Because that number is pretty large, isn't it? Like I mean, we're talking 750 uh 750,000 a million dollars a year for five years, right?
>> No. I mean, so far at AAN Lea, even though they've um you know, their pill their pro their projects are over a million dollars. Um I don't know exactly how many million, but like the reimbursement has only been like about $150,000. >> Yeah. But
>> so it's not >> if I can chime in like more trouble with the city. the Rita program was, if I recall correctly, up to 30% of the
uh TIFF money generated from the project for up to 5 years. And so it was a fluctuating amount depending on which projects it it was. But if you take the the Atlantic or whatever the the name of it is north of the bridge, it already had a base value based upon whatever the
Evanrude property was or whatever was there before. So the the TIF margin that came into place would be the uh calculated the use for the calculation and then it would have only been up to a
maximum of 30% of that generated. So at the time the commission adopted it, the theory was that the only money that was getting reimbursed was new money that was generated from the job and that effectively the city was going to get
70% of the new money and the project was going to get 30% of the manu money. And a lot of times they were using that to help get financing because at the time that this program was designed there was some difficulties with banks and financing because of the recession and things like that. And I don't think
where's any of them were anything close to a million dollars because they just that would require them to pay $3 million a year in advorum taxes. So a $50 million
assessment like for a building like the uh the indigo um apartment buildings at the foot of the Indian street bridge. Their assessed value is $50 million. They pay a million dollars a year in taxes, but the million dollars a year
they pay in taxes, only $250,000 of that goes to the city of Stewart because that includes the county taxes, fine taxes, South Florida Water Management, the school board, and all the other stuff. So in that thing at a $50 million valuation if it if it started at zero
before that $250,000 30% would be about $80,000 and then times five years would be a total of $400,000 and that's assuming that 9 acre property had a zero value before it started.
>> Okay. So if if we're talking let's say Atlantic Point I think it's a 75 million $80 million project when it's done I believe from the numbers that we talked about previously and it had a starting uh assessed value which I think was you know probably under a million bucks but
um and uh so in that scenario >> if it was $70 million increased value >> right >> the millage rate being five mills being the total amount even though it's going it below that, but saying that's it. That would be $350,000
a year. So >> that's five years. >> $112,500 would be 30% of that, >> which would be the tiff. >> And then times five would be a total of $612,000
assuming that that >> was the math. when they present to the board and say, "We're going to have a $70 million valuation," the property appraiser is not the person that's doing that presentation. And quite often, their presentation doesn't their
assessed value doesn't come anywhere near like for example, when a zoo presented to the board, they were going to be worth 15 to20 million when they opened and the property appraiser assessed them at eight. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So it it doesn't always end up at those
numbers, but in your scenario, if in fact the city was paying out a million dollars to somebody because that valuation was that way, that would mean that the city was receiving in addition to that two more million dollars because
they're only paying 30% of the new money out. And so if 30% is a million, you know, 33% of a million and 66 being the balance would be two million more to the city. So the benefit to the city would have been double. >> Okay. A couple two quick other
questions. Uh that program is gone now, right? We're not doing that. It's not available. It's out of here. >> It's never been rescended. I suppose somebody could come in and and file for it, but the city commission has to or the CRA, I mean, had would have to
find the certain criterias and the benefit, and I don't think we've ever marketed it or pushed it or suggested that anybody was interested in doing it. >> Okay. And then the last question, Panol, we have um uh the budget was 20 million,
22 million roughly. Um and we've got we had a um a base level of 300 million which is when the when the original CRA was formed. Right. So we're keeping the incremental revenue from the taxes above that 300 million. Correct. >> Right.
>> So so that's why we're funding the city's only funding three million of that 20 two mill that $20 million budget. Right. because Martin Countyy's funding another 4 million and then the rest is coming from previous I assume from previous funds and previous
reserves. Right. >> So the total tiff revenue for this fiscal year 6.9 million 4 million coming from the county and 2.9 coming from the city. Now, in order for me to balance the budget this year because of all the projects we're undertaking, I did have
to take some money from fund balance. Is that what you are referring to? The $488,000 from the fund balance in order to balance the budget this year. >> I don't know if I'm answering your question if that's what you're asking. >> Okay. So, so basically
what makes up because I don't have it right here. >> Yeah. What what makes up the difference in the total? So the the big yellow, what's that? >> That's the grants. >> Okay. So that's the point. So So there we've got we got >> Yeah. So we got four, we got three for
the city because of the CRA. Basically, the county is funding more than the city is for our CRA, which is a good thing for us. And then the grants are um money that we've got. Now, are those matching grants or they just grants >> or a little bit of both? In some cases, we had to provide a match, but a small
amount, but that's the total amount of grants because these are reimbursement grants. I have to budget for that up front. >> Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> Panel, I just wanted to ask you since you were over in that neighborhood, did they like all their new stop signs at
the >> They do. Yes. They're very appreciated. >> It's quite uh There's a lot more over there now. >> Yeah. But they want they want us to keep it. Yeah, you need to come over into my neighborhood. So, >> so that was well good. I'm glad they because it makes a big difference how
you move through that neighborhood. Um, >> Mr. Chairman. >> Yes. >> With regard to resolution 06 2025. I move approval as presented. >> Okay. >> Second.
>> We have a motion by board member Clark and a second by the vice mayor. Is there any public comment on resolution 06-2025? >> I do not have any. >> Seeing none, roll call, please.
>> Board member Clark, >> here. >> Board member Gio, >> yes. >> Board member Reed, >> yes. >> Board member Burkville, >> yes. >> Chair Rich, >> yes. >> Vice Chair Collins, >> yes. >> Okay, motion passes. Uh, the vice mayor has courteously
indicated that I forgot to ask if there are comments board the by the board members. So, I'm going to go back to see if are there any comments by the board members? >> Commissioner Re. Okay. Um thought you did >> regarding agenda item three, the CDBG
housing rehabilitation grant program. I'm hoping we can accomplish all of it. We have what 45 minutes. Can it carry on past that if it has to or is that up to the chair? >> Gotcha. Okay. I just All right. See what we can get done. No, we we we've often
>> so we can just >> gone well into the time that the next meeting should start. >> Perfect. I just want to make sure we're not time restrained then. >> That's all. >> Okay. Thank you, board member clerk. >> No, >> Mr. Vice Mayor,
>> I would just say with regard to that item, I hope that we can just be productive and focus on solving problems and not uh throwing mud, arguing, um making accusations. Where are we at
right now? And how do we um move forward so that we can have a solution that works for everybody involved? So I I personally am not going to entertain any sort of nonsense that's not productive and I hope it's the pleasure
of the board to do the same. And I'm not saying any particular party might be the case, but I don't want to see arguing. It's just what do we need to do to fix this problem and how do we move forward with the time that we have is is my goal. >> Thank you board member Brickville. >> Oh thanks. >> Okay.
Okay. So, let's move on to item number three. So, >> here's my suggestion as to >> I think we should allow and I thank the Hamiltons for taking the time to be here. I think we should allow them to go
first and just make their presentation and then if there's questions from the board we can question them at that time and then we allow the city to proceed with their presentation >> and I don't think the city should be
able to Mr. Martell or Miss Gandhi Sabush should be allowed to uh interrupt the Hamiltons during their presentation. We'll just let them provide the information they think is important and I don't think I would ask
that the Hamiltons not interrupt the staff when they're making their presentation. So is without objection can we proceed in that manner? >> Sure. Good. >> Okay. So that would you come forward please Mr. and Mrs. Hamilton and
provide us with the information? >> I thought that it was the other way around. I thought these guys were going to make a presentation. Good afternoon, Olga Hamilton. Uh, Southwest 311 Street, Stewart, Florida.
Uh, where where I go with my little thing here. >> Okay. >> Flash drive >> for a presentation. >> So, you have a video presentation. Are are we prepared to assist her with this? Yes.
>> Yeah. I thought that >> I have a video. >> No, no, no, not this one. >> I think she say >> to open documents. No, I happen to [Music]
>> see. Yeah. Yeah. >> Let me just open it for you. >> Thank you very much. >> Which one is it? Which one is it? [Music] Okay, good afternoon everyone and first
I would like to introduce our historical building the 18 the 1895 Church of Stewart. is uh uh Robert and I we call our building and Alice Lart loved uh that name for that uh our historical building
because it's like a compass everything our building consists of three parts uh I I will explain um central part is actually original 1895 church of Stewart Methodist built in
1895 five featuring uh the uh original studs and uh o overlaying and then in 1930 uh St. Mary's made additions and that
building became the first St. Mary's church. But I will play Alice Lert. Robert and I, we got very lucky to record her before she passed. [Music] >> Okay. We had other things. We had our
first >> it was a Methodist. >> Is it >> at the bottom right? The volume >> bottom right. >> Bottom right. >> Yeah, the bottom right on the screen is
the volume. Look like it's VLC video player. >> Oh yeah. >> Okay. We had other things starting to develop here. We had our first church. >> It was a Methodist but really a community church and it was built in 1895.
Now, they placed it right along the railroad tracks. They did. And they said, "We want anybody coming through on that train, the passengers to know." My goodness, that's a civilized town. It's got a church. And they even had this tall steeple on it. So, I mean, you could tell that was a church no matter
what. That building, by the way, is still in existence. We have the present owners, the Hamiltons, right here in front doing the taping. They have that church and they are saving that church. But just think of all the people along the way who helped save that church,
too. It's along Third Street now. It's not along the railroad tracks anymore. That was moved in 1930, and it became uh first St. Mary's Church when they needed a church. They developed that after 1930, but and it's been other things through the throughout the years. It was
even uh for Martin County, the probation office at one time. So, I mean, it's had many purposes. So, that you can tell, yeah, that was a church. It's easy to tell by looking at it. And one more video, it's Gary Paradise.
That was her interview way back in 2000 in May when Martin County uh was doing uh their film regarding the history of Martin County in celebration of the anniversary.
and Germany Paradise. She is a fourth generation of uh Walter and Emma Kitchen who donated the uh lot for original church. >> The sisters paradise sisters.
>> Walter Kitchen was from Leeds, England. He came to this country in 1867 after Lincoln was assassinated. His father was a stock broker in London and they had an office in New York City and he was sent to New York City to help
manage that office. Didn't stay there too long. He was adventurome and took a wagon train out west and taught school to the Indians in Oklahoma for a stent. went to Texas for a while
and came to Florida and bought property from a government map in Gainesville, Florida. In this area, he bought several parcels in Martin County. And in 1883, he came down to see what he had
purchased. My greatgrandfather was Quaker. My great-grandmother was Methodist, very proper Methodist lady. And when she moved here and was expecting a child, there was not a church in this area. And she told her
husband, "I cannot raise a child in this area if there's not a church." They had 15 acres in downtown Stewart. They donated a lot to build the first Methodist church in the area. And that
church was purposely put on that parcel of land, I am told, because it was right next to the railroad tracks. And they wanted the people coming through on the train to see that we at least had a church in this area, that we were not a
barbaric community. Josephine Kitchen born in 1895, March 10th, 1895. in Pot Stam born in the on the river there in the upstairs bedroom as were two of her three children. She was an only child
[Music] when we bought this building at the end of June 2019. And uh
the first thing we we did we cleaned our attic and we found the Episcopalian Lancets in the Arctic and Alice Lert she told us way back then Robert and Tolga
there behind these dry walls there the original historical bitboard and uh we we peeled It's like an onion and uh there truly was especially in 1895
uh section and then uh we looked away in the attic there was still original uh bitboard. We have been restoring the bead board starting from uh where is our master bathroom because
we needed to hamstit property and we needed a bathroom. So we applied for permit but we already were restoring our bitboard. That's how original our bitboard was looking in our bathroom
when we took the uh paneling off and there was drywall or paneling. Uh we apply for permit or for change use. Uh David Plumbing did all the drawings and everything and we
got our here's our bathroom drawing they did. So there are no any confusion about bathroom that was reviewed approved and we received it took us a year because it was a co time and we received our home
state and uh certificate of occupancy and pretty much Robert designed the bathroom himself. Uh we use yes we used uh our uh a little bit modern shower but
okay this oh that's a little bit but we try to use subway tile and we discussed it with Alice Lard and pretty much design it close to 1930s like it
was it St. Mary's uh St. Mary's uh we applied for grant and uh we saw it on the Facebook. It was way back somewhere in uh 20 uh 2122 when when the first ad
on Facebook was I will not look for for that ad. And when we applied for the grant, uh we discussed the scope of work and uh of course the best thing would be to to have a new roof on our building and
windows and some insulation. But we already have been working on insulating our walls except of the 1895 section just in 1930 section will be we had uh prior our inspection of our house before
for the scope of York. uh then uh prior to after I think the that September uh on September 17 uh September 17 you can see we have
been working on our bitboard restoration uh and insulating our uh in hallway way where between and soundproofing our walls that's where uh we had a guard again community resource management
bringing contractors for rebuilding. Uh we received uh the scope of work uh somewhere after August when the paperwork was completed. Uh and uh bidding contractors were
brought and that's pretty much uh everybody saw that we were restoring our bitboard insulating walls. Then another inspection took place on March 21, 2024
when we signed it all our uh on March 13. We signed all our CDBG documents three sets uh of each for guardian community resource management for us and for the contractor. And on March 21
contractor came and uh they saw we still like in restoration and everything and we were insulating our walls and putting plywood back as a backing for our bitboard. Pretty much we shared these
all photographs and 900 files with Florida Commerce. And here's our V uh window. It still shows where we covering plywood and by historical rules. So the foam we
use foam it's actually easily a removable one. Uh but we didn't want the foam touch the uh original uh starts in the building that we put that blocking. So that's where form goes and does not
torch by uh historical rules uh uh not rules but suggestion it's it should not to touch. So we did and Robert continued to work on the restoration that's how it was uh prior uh uh 17 when
contractors came for bidding. Then on uh April 14, we had a building department review of the building as well. So we had a lot of inspection going on.
It was uh due date on April 14 and everything was going on. Everybody knew we already removed our bitboard ceiling. for restoration. And that's original
bitboard ceiling and we stored it under the carport uh near our building and our ceiling already was restored in hallways and we had in our bathrooms and
everything. So then we had on April 29 another inspections. So I'm not going. Everybody knew we have been in the process of restoration and uh work was ongoing. We
did not ask anything more than uh the uh scope of work. We signed it on uh December 13, 2029. Way back before we even saw the scope of
work, Guardian Community Resource Management, Inc. sent us email. It was from uh Marina. I don't remember her name right now. Uh and she sent us a mail and asked us uh about uh our
building number. Robert and I we knew our building was uh registered with with the state of Florida that was original owners gave us and Xavier Millers and that's only document
we had at the time it's a little bit difficult to go through this one for me. Yes. On that was on February 28, 2023. And we had and we sent that uh document
with with the number. After that we did not hear a anything uh until uh December 13, 20 uh 23 when we sign it be with patriot response group.
So to to get it much shorter and uh we gave you the scope of work that actually based uh on original scope of York. We still don't have roof reach van system. After building department passed
inspection and we notified everyone that we do not have roof reach vent system and we sent uh uh all these requests over and over for requests for
inspection since uh August 4, 2024 that the roof reach system was not installed and we provided that's how we have our roof reach system but the contractor Patriot response group they sealed our
roof which went completely they just kept it we do not have it and they put mesh so we could not understand what's going on why there so much heat coming from the above uh from the Arctic so
when I looked uh in the inside the artic I I saw the mesh and I I I say Rob there's a mesh that there supposed to be a vent sister. So, Robert and I, we went outside. We took clothes there and took camera to to take a picture and Robert
said, "No, they kept it." I went into the attic. I put my hand inside and there no air coming. So, we that pool a little bit mesh, no air, everything is completely sealed.
And we notified the city. We asked for reinspections again and again. There were no anywhere uh about roof reach went being installed. Uh we notified the city uh uh after inspection of the
building permit on the roof that there no no submission any specification on the roof rich system. So this is all goes way back of 65 pages that we were asking and asking for inspection and uh
on sep in September we submitted uh our bit by uh code red roof and here in the scope of work it's uh it says uh rich van system. So in the
current scope of work to complete our project of course we included the roof reach band system that was not installed but contractor unfortunately got paid for the work that was not performed.
I will not go into the history probably uh of two deck replacement and everything and leaks and it's it's done. Uh wait went to unfortunate story with the windows.
We didn't know about any correspondence way back that uh guardian and the city had with the state historic preservation office. We learned about the state historic preservation office letter on
uh December 1st, 2023 only on November 20 to 2024. And it was it was uh at one time it was kind of a very happy news to hear that
our building is potentially eligible uh for national historical uh uh national uh historic places. But at the same time looking at the work that was done after
two uh uh two uh first installation that took place that was on uh from on from July 5 to 7 that's
the first time when we actually saw the windows Okay. Probably here to put it. Yes. Uh let me because according to the to the CDBG scope of York, the contractor was
absolutely responsible for all the the measurements and everything. And we did not see these windows until they arrived and they open uh the trailer. The contractor opened the trailer.
We were told that everything goes to uh according to the building code and we needed a large windows for whatever uh normal people they they they just don't know this building codes. Yeah. when you
say them yeah there's a court e eress you need some escape and this and that and we like in this situation what we do now and it was Friday and they were left Friday Saturday you cannot call building
department whatever ask uh no nobody was answering and we will we we were promised everything would be the same so after I I will show uh like all all
these uh files uh there a lot of them but when they proceeded we were sitting as uh in front of our uh yard
and then suddenly how how I Yeah. No, how I I list it like Yeah. Oh, okay. Oh, so the first installation when they were
doing it, it it was absolutely painful to watch how they were doing. But as we were sitting in front yard, I didn't expect that program here. That's actually what they did. They removed our original trims and
everything. Uh I I I I did uh dumpster diving. I was able to retrieve uh some of the original uh trims that were 4 and.5 for uh and and a
half inches and save uh one seal. We still have two original seals and everything, but they were already so much uh broken glass. from the uh windows, but I was able to uh save the original
windows as well. And we found later that they cut four inches of our wall on the back while we were sitting front
in the front room. That's how we found. What is that? Yeah. Don't you have just normal program windows one that's you know without drawings. So they cut four inches of the
wall on the back while we were sitting in the front and one uh of the workers who came uh who could speak English. He came to uh to us and say oh senior I think we cannot cut uh wall and and we
like a fourth wall. And there was a bathroom window where on the bathroom window was our small ondemand water heater. And we were really upset with that. When uh Patriot Response Group
finally came uh after weekend and they tape uh all the windows, they looked at it and they cancel it right away. building department inspection. They uh they they tape everything and
next day they brought another crew. This is actually uh the gaps also was from the uh first crew when they did that's how they installed
the windows with these gaps between uh between windows and starts and they remove some framing and when I was taking picture and if you look at this all I saw
okay doing the seals and everything and and I went I took behind I I see him working on the seals I went back I sit down I could not expect they would cut completely the all four inches of the
place. Second crew was brought next day after all the windows were taped. [Music] I was a little bit uh kind of amazed to see uh
among uh materials fence boards. They were they use that fence board for shims for windows. You cannot do it because they disintegrate very quickly. So the second group they they proceeded
with all the uh Windows installations and still Windows did not uh did not pass the inspection. But what was amazing to find when the second crew
took out the windows when they were installed, this is what they saw. This is what the first crew did. This photo I took when they took the second crew took the windows out
and that's what they showed us. That what the first crew did. They completely cut 4 inch of wall along with framing and they damaged starts on the side. I told the second Grigo, you cannot cut
the walls anymore. Another window uh when they were installing and uh on some places they had to remove boards and everything. This is what actually screw goes right through the corner of the window. Right now I don't know where
this window with this uh hole in the corner but you can imagine if water coming inside and everything where it will it will all wind uh when they open a window uh another
window. This is what they saw. They saw the uh board uh less than inch board just it was stuck to the paper. It was not even screw properly nowhere under the large
window when they completed that. That's what was there. That's disastrous work. That was the first installation of the windows. So when the second crew completed the windows, they still did not pass
inspection and windows were installed off center. Two, we have three windows off center because the wall where the framing can starts they installed off center. So we have
two uh two inches and we have three uh three or something inches. So different because the window installed of center and you can see it does not correspond even with L sets. So the all these windows have to
be of course removed and you cannot them reinstalled because if you want to center them you have to cut wall on another side as well and in that will inflict more damages. That actually was confirmed by letter from uh Liberty uh
Liberty uh windows impacting door when they stated that you contractor uh damage your place very badly and even headers and everything. And uh it was confirmed by structural engineer and the
state historic preservation office also stated to uh mitigate adverse effect. Oh >> sorry. Yeah. to to mitigate adverse effects to our building because Robert
and I would like to put the our building here in Stewart on the uh yes not just uh our city uh map but Florida map and actually federal map. So we have this place because as you saw
the video about um about kitchenings they are pioneers. This is church was built by pioneers. It it is important piece of history. Uh
we we we already you all have the 2025 scope of work. We gave also I sent you all uh emails mentioning the uh uh code of federal regulations
how we all can move forward and finally complete the project and install roof reach van system and to reinstalled finally windows as they supposed to be return our uh our historical building
back as it should B uh and just to move forward and by court or federal rule regulations you can even go with uh non-competitive
procurement in special circumstances. We have special circumstances here. First of all, it's historical building. We we have uh we need a contractor who understands the historical materials.
historical wood and uh every detail. We found that contractor when uh when we were told uh that we can choose our own contractor and we found marquee uh renovations and the proposed work on the
building including uh the whale was uh paint damaged on the building and everything and restore our original staco. And we have red roof uh c red roof to put the to put the uh back uh
our roof reach van system. But we would like to ask as I wrote back in that email instead of uh hurricane impact do and I think it would be even uh less expensive to do. We would like
include with my history renovations because they they would agree to do it to put a color ties on our roof and strengthens our roof for hurricane our historical building. Uh just to change from the doors, hurricane doors to the
additional roof like color ties. It it's just a pieces of wood between you know rafters and where the one rafter was uh broken or whatever when it uh was done we don't know was it
done during first deck replacement second deck replacement was it damaged we don't know but that's we only ask you and we ask you to consider my key renovations because they are local
company they had experience to work on historic buildings and uh cotate roofers they are also very welln known company here and that's only
we ask you to move forward this project we cannot wait for the short hurricane season to restore you have all these documents, you have all the mails, you have all the bits.
So, please let us finalize with my kids renovations. Please petition Florida Commerce according to the uh court of uh federal regulations due to the uh circumstances. Let Hamiltons finish the
project with this specific contractor who already knows building who did all measurements who spent not just 10 days but probably uh or 10
days uh 10 hours but a few days they were meticulously measuring measuring everything and structural engineers they met already with the structural engineer per request of the structural engineer.
They already met them. They discuss it. All drawings are ready. We don't need to go again through the engineer. We just can go and finish the building finally. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yes, Mr. Vice Mayor.
while you're there, Olga. Um, as far as I can tell, there's like two pathways here, and I appreciate you being to the point and solution focused. Um uh to Olga's point, you you would either
have this special designation which would bypass the regular procurement process or I I also see a pathway via um having the RFP when we go out to RFP being very specific um around historical
uh I don't know enough about this to speak intelligently but exactly to what they're looking for to more historic. So, my questions are um in terms of special designation, this seems a little more obscure for me
and a bit of a a Hail Mary. I'm curious if Lee, if you have experience with this, Mike, you have experience with this, what that time frame might look like because they're talking about hurricane season. >> I don't believe that we have authority for special designation. We've been speaking with Florida Commerce. The
procurement policy we're following is the Florida Commerce procurement. The procurement comp policy we're following is the is the Florida Commerce policy. Yes. >> But if I can explain it to you, >> Florida Commerce has already said that they would make an >> Mrs. Hamilton. Would you like to respond
to his question? >> Yes. I would like to finish before M. With all due respect, forgive me. >> I thought they were finished. I didn't realize. >> Forgive me. I'm sorry. >> Okay. I thought they were finished. Sorry. >> It's not bypassing. I'm sorry. Robert Hamilton. Good evening and thank you for
taking the time and the patience. Og's put a lot of time into this. We're not trying to bypass it. Is been part of the procurement and attorney Brennan who is my sister will get up and speak about that. We're not
trying to bypass it. It was created this subsection in there if an event like this happens. It doesn't say our particular event, but they put that language in there. So if something happens and what's really more important that lends the greater weight to the evidence of that is for the fact that
McKe sent the stuff to the state historic preservation office with the diagrams. They approved it. Commerce approved it. The city had no problem. Uh Mr. Mortell put in there that they the
city feels comfortable. Commerce feels comfortable. McKe feels comfortable. We trust McKe. took us a long time to find him. Mr. Mortell can explain that it took us a lot. Nobody wanted to touch the building after what had been done. So, this isn't bypassing anything. This
is just a matter of another tool that we can go forward to resolve it. And his prices are are very reasonable. He understands and has worked on historical buildings. I didn't mean to take away from Ogo or interrupt you, Mr. Mortell.
This is a real section that we can go forward and all the acrimony can stop. >> Do and not to interrupt you, but do does anybody have experience with going this route? We're we're doing this um
>> I contacted Florida Commerce last Tuesday, told them about this presentation and was suggesting and talking about the McKe issue in the scope of service. They said that it has to go through that procurement process.
But if I can explain, our procurement is different. When we do a procurement, you go out to bid and it's the sealed bid process and we must select the lowest bid. So when you open the bid, whoever's the lowest, that's who you get in ours.
In the CDBG project, the Florida Commerce has a list of approved contractors that get to bid on the projects. We've contacted them and they've agreed to allow McKe to be an approved contractor to bid on the
project. Then there's a process where the bids are all submitted and there's a scope of services of if it's too high or too low and I don't know what the numbers are. the outliers are removed
and then the rest of the bids are presented to the homeowner and the homeowner is not required to select the lowest bidder. So what we've been proposing all along is that we ex when
they gave us the McKe bid, we agreed to use it. We said great, let's use the McKe bid. and Miss Gandhi Saved took McKe's name off of it and took their prices off of it and created the scope
of services for everybody to sign and then the Hamiltons were angry at us for taking McKe's stuff off of it and didn't want to go through that procurement process and that's what got us here. The what we were trying to do is say sure we'll use that bid. There's there's a
couple of nuances as it relates to you saw the pictures for Mrs. Hamilton where the ceilings were removed that the ceiling was not something that was in the original scope of services. But in the scope of services that we proposed to the Hamiltons before the McKe bid in
March, the city had agreed to attempt to replace the ceilings as long as Shipo agreed with it and a couple of other items. And we we still feel that way. >> I don't think anybody wants to go back to the original scope regard to procurement. >> The scope of services is
SE is roof, doors, windows, and insulation. >> But we're talking about having them sign the current scope. >> The current scope that was done by McKe, correct? >> Was still roof, doors, windows, and insulation. >> We're talking about a new scope.
>> It's just who's going to finish it? Who's going to take these windows out and replace them? It's a different job than it was before because like for example, there's a roof on the house now. >> So, you're saying we need a new scope beyond even what McKe provided? >> Well, I I don't want to spend a lot of
time explaining the process, but Florida Commerce doesn't award money. They award a scope of services. So, if you applied to have two windows put in and you got two windows, that doesn't mean you have $75,000 left to spend on other stuff. It
means you get two windows. And in this case, when the Hamilton selected the um bid that they or the bid that they selected that was $58,000 versus the other bid that was $65,000, it didn't mean they had the balance left
to spend on other items. So, what was awarded to them was to replace the roof, the windows, the doors, and spray in insulation. That's still awarded to them. We've been working with them to try and sign off on a scope of services to that effect. >> Okay.
>> We prepared one in March. They said they wanted to have their own prepared. They had McKe prepare it. When we received it, we said it's a little different than ours, but we said, "Okay." >> Yes. >> And we said, "We'll sign this one >> and we will still right now. We'll all sign it and submit it to Florida
Commerce." We're ready to go. All they have to do is sign it. We've been waiting for them since roughly. >> But it's because they want McKe to do the work. >> Well, >> so what is the he can bid on it and then if M and if McKe's bid is within the scope of what Florida Commerce will will
cover then even if McKe's the highest bidder they can still select McKe >> so it's possible that that could come back to them and they could have an option >> can they were told they could use their own contractor though >> I don't dis there was there was a
representative from Florida Commerce >> mentioned that u Mr. Marcerian um uh that Graham is his first name at at one point said something about using their own contractor. However, when I've talked to his
supervisor and to others at Florida Commerce, he was wrong. >> So when So when you were telling the the Hamiltons at our board meetings that was coming from Graham, >> I've never ever told you that we've ever had any authority to pick anything. We
can't tell them. The only the only thing we did is we told them they could pick their own structural engineer because that was below $5,000. Didn't fall into the procurement rules. And as a result, we didn't care who they picked. They could pick anybody they wanted. As it
related to McKe, I have it with me here and the guardian representative is here. What happened is in March we prepared a new scope of services to fix and replace the windows and I say we guardian and
within the confines of the Florida Commerce program >> submitted it to the Hamiltons and they said no we don't want to use your scope of services we want to get our own contractor to do our own scope of services and so in response to that all
along we kept saying great get your own contractor get your own contractor. Now, we should have been more clear about it. You requesting a second opinion >> doesn't mean that you get cart blanch on whatever they want to charge and
whatever they want to do. We still had to comply. And I don't want to pull out all the rules and regulations, but just like we have to comply with them, the Hamiltons too have to comply with them. It's the procurement process for the CDBG grants. It's not our procurement
process. It's theirs and it's a system that they follow. If in fact Florida Commerce said they could pick their own, honestly, we wouldn't step in the way of it. It just would violate the grant because it would allow people to McKe
could say, "Okay," and I'm not saying McKe would, but they could say, "Okay, well, it's a $10 million job now." Now, obviously, they would never they're not going to do that, but there is no way to competitively bid it if the homeowner
can just go pick whoever they want, >> but that's what they were told. >> I don't know if that's exactly what they were told or not. I read the letter from Mr. Marion and the last sentence references picking your own contractor,
but I was on several of the conference calls. We prepared the scope of services, presented it to them, and they said, "No, we want to get our own contractor to do a scope of services." >> City had told them to go get their own contractor. >> No, we didn't. We prepared the scope of
>> I think we're going to get in the mud going. >> I don't want to get lost in the weeds on >> In terms of solutions at this point, >> you're saying that they will have the ability to to pick McKe >> once those bids come back >> if they're would that satisfy that way. It's still a competitive process.
>> You may want to hear from Mr. Jenkins. You may want to hear from Mr. Jenkins just on the nuance of how that process works. >> Okay. Fair enough. No. >> Can I just ask a question? >> Mrs. Hamilton would like to continue the presentation.
>> Please can we have been one second? Please pull up the email or whatever you have here. answer to the mic. >> Again, we're trying to get it resolved.
So, this isn't a fingerpointing. We have multiple emails where the city feels comfortable. Uh, uh, commerce felt comfortable. Shipo approved. Now, I don't care what happened in Tallahassee. Now, we got fingerpointing going on up there. I know I have the city of Stewart
wrote us multiple times or no can put them right on the screen. The city's requesting you obtain new window installation. That's not what I was looking for. The city is the one who requested us to pick the engineers to do uh to come in and look at the building.
So, we we selected three, gave them to Mr. Mortell. The city picked who they want. We didn't care. They came in and made their report. The city says in multiple emails, "We want you to hire your own contractor. We feel comfortable with having your own." It's detailed in
the emails from the city. That's a binding contract to us. So they agree to that. We agree to it. Congress agrees to it. And again, we're not trying to sides skirt anything. That subsection in there is put in there for a reason just like
this. It's a federal rule, federal law that if you have this situation going on and there's an issue, here's what you can do to resolve it. And we >> we're tell But if we're telling you tonight, right, no, sir. If we're telling you tonight no fingerpointing
that that was a misunderstanding and the city is not comfortable can't with the way that this program is set up >> just have you use a contractor. He's we're saying that the misunderstanding was around
>> the misunderstanding was around. I so there is some nuance as it like I mentioned as it reaches the lead paint into the ceiling that we need to tweak but as it relates to the scope of work we are not in dispute that is not an issue we're agreeable contract so you agree scope of work
>> we why don't we sign on the scope of work submit it to Florida commerce the one from a key >> the new one yeah >> the one from a key we've been in agreement since the beginning he's right we that's never been an issue sign the scope of work. Submit it to Florida
Commerce. Submit it to Shipo. Get it all approved. Go out to bid. >> And if I ask one Okay, one moment. One moment. M renovation is not roof. >> Right. >> Roof should be installed by court roof.
>> We We'll address that first. Let's get this addressed. Okay. >> Do not do not deprived us of roof. >> No, we're not. We're trying to get one issue done first. let it go out to bid and then if McKe
submits their bid and they qualify none of this issue even needs to get resolved because the Hamiltons get to just say I pick McKe. On the other hand, if they don't qualify for some reason or another, that's the time that the
Hamiltons can raise this issue and address it then and say, and I said, reserve the right to do it, whatever you want to do. I have no problem with that. But it could be that we we're we're arguing over something that doesn't actually happen. It could be that McKe makes it and is on the bid is ready to
go and they meet all the criteria and they select him and we're done and it's over with. >> So, okay, Mr. A little bit of clarification. >> Okay. I want to just first ask the the the city manager speaking and I want a question and I've waited patiently. Mr. Mayor, can I >> would you you want to talk speak with
Mr. Hamilton? >> I want to speak to the city manager. Okay. Okay. Just to answer some things. Okay. So what we're trying to do is certainly move forward here and you're saying that we could go out for a bit of service. I think the first initial problem with the RFP is that it really
needs to go to contractors who work on historic homes. There obviously was an issue before because the people who put in the windows weren't aware of what was supposed to be or not be for historic windows. So I think that that's the first line of doing another RFP. It can
only go out to certain it can't go out to every contractor who's willing to bid. >> We don't have the control over who the contractors are, >> but it says it in the scope of work. It's already in it. The one we prepared in March had the exact same language as
it related to the historic structure and I could pull it up and read it to you. Again, I don't know that we need to waste the time. >> No, we don't because this new scope of work says the same thing that it would be in the guidelines of rehabilitating historic >> buildings. So we don't that's not an issue to us. >> The second issue is for the Hamiltons
who've gone back back and forth is that if we offer this to them um then I think that they would like something in writing from the city that says yes, you have the ability if this RFP comes back and you don't like the other contractors and McGee is eligible, McKe is eligible that you can select him even if he isn't
the lowest bidder. >> I don't have any problem with that. I think that's what Mr. Jenkins is getting ready to tell you the story of. >> Okay. But I I'm more than willing to I just want to have some dialogue with you. >> We've already asked them and those those documents are available to be signed now. We've done that before. The first
time that it went out to bid, we agreed on the scope of services. Both signed it. It went out to bid. >> There were two bids. The Hamiltons got to pick whichever one they wanted. They picked the Patriot one and it moved forward. It didn't work out. And we said, "Okay, let's fix this." Last October. We said, "Great. Let's fix it.
Let's go there. There, there." >> Right. Two more issues to fix. The the next would be is the roofers. Okay. Because I understand that Mr. McKe is not a roofer, but he can, as you also did, use Red Code Roofers as a subcontractor. >> Okay. So, that's something that can be in there.
>> It's part of the bid. It's up to him. Well, it would be part of the bid, but including the fact that whatever the code red roofers tell McKe to bid with Code Red Roofers, that's called a kickback. Well, he would have to have the monies available in that what's offered to him to to be able to go out
to get a subcontractor. >> The money is not the issue. The scope of services has been approved by Florida Commerce. So, getting the roof repaired, the sill plate or whatever it is, the vent plate, getting the windows
replaced, Florida Commerce has agreed to go back out to bid to that. Okay? So, it's not a question of us saying you have $12 left or you have $12,000 left. It's not a money thing. >> The third piece though is a money thing.
>> Okay. The third piece is a money thing. Okay. And that basically refers to the fact that because I think you mentioned and I heard you correctly to say that um it would be a new charge for replacing the windows, redoing the windows, but basically we've paid a contractor and CBG contract does allow for not paying
for incomplete work. So the roof was never done. They were paid for it. That's a fee that needs to be crawled back. There was also an issue where the CBG grant allows people allows the city or to be able to not pay for damaged or subpar work. So if those two items exist
under the CBG grant that needs to go back into the monies that are available to the Hamiltons, >> the Hamiltons have never been told that their scope of work is beyond the money available. What happened is when the Hamilton started saying that they wanted
an air conditioning system installed and above and beyond the roof, the windows, the wall, uh the doors, and the insulation. That's when we said that's outside of the scope of work, but it's not the money. >> Get in the mud. >> It's not the That's not the issue. The
issue the Florida Commerce has already >> Well, there were verbal things said to the Hamiltons from what I understand because the air conditioning died and the project had already started and they were >> Excuse me. May may I comment on this one that allocated on our project as in
September 3rd 2024 Miss Gandhi after the state to not to exceed $80,000. So we had 57 with Mis renovation we had left always after beat and that's left
uh rest of the font we were uh thinking on using on mini splits that's why we were collecting on mini splits that were left over uh uh 20,000
on the mini splits so if everything would go nicely with windows and uh roof reachment system and roof if you calculate and 80,000 minus 57 bit that
even Ula Clark uh when she was mayor commented on the video back then every house was allocated up to 80,000 on rehabilitation >> we can figure out the money later scope yeah the scope >> nine recipients
were awarded reported scope of work. >> Yes, >> in that scope of work, there may be change orders, they may not, but it's a scope of work and it can't exceed $80,000. >> Mrs. McBride was here before and said she was one of the particip participants
particip she received a little bit over $50,000. That doesn't mean she has $28,000 left to go do other stuff. She has just the scope of service, >> but we're talking about the monies that have already been spent out of the 80,000, not not the reverse.
>> They're they're being treated at zero. Their scope of service is the roof, the windows, the doors, and the insulation. The the going out to bid for the going out to bid is the roof, the windows, the doors, and the insulation. The problem
was when they started saying, "Well, if what happened in this case is with Patriot, they were under the impression that if Patriots saved money on items, there'd be money left over for other stuff." >> Well, obviously someone gave them that
impression. And again, whatever. We've got to be very clear on that, right? >> There's documentation about it as well. In the future, we will make people sign it in blood because there's no doubt that it's a scope of services, not an
amount, but it can't exceed 80,000. So, you can't come in and say, "I want a scope of services of $300,000." >> You come in with a scope of about 65 to 70. If there's some change orders, there's enough room to cover those change orders and still finish it under
80. every single project we had finished under 70 >> and none of them get to go and spend the rest on additional stuff. >> Okay. And I understand that. But then I want to go back to what you said. What you're offering now to the Hamiltons is that if their approval if their approval
of that scope of work and we move forward that they are working on the full boat of the 80,000. >> It's not about the money. It's not the scope of about the money. >> Yeah. What we said is we What we said is we >> I know, but I'm asking the city manager to clarify what he just said.
>> What the city said to them is here's our scope of service. They said, "No, we want to get our own contractor to do our own scope of service." They went out and got McKe, right, to do their own scope of service. We then received that contract or that document and the city
said there's some nuances in it. We have a couple discussion, but generally speaking, we are fine to submit this to Florida Commerce and to have this move forward and have them allow it to go forward. I am not telling you that
Florida Commerce is going to punch it and pay it. >> We're not objecting to it. And if they do, then it's done. We don't care. >> Okay? But at some point, money is the issue. And I know it's not about the money, but if the scope of is if the scope of work is approved, >> if I can explain to you what was
happening, Florida Commerce instructed us to pay for that roof work and said we had to pay it. The Hamiltons are taking the position to fix that sill plate is not $50,000. It's a couple thousand. You're going to change out the venting
because it has a Cobra vent in it. They're just going to change out literally some sealant at the top. Hamiltons were taking the position of, well, if you take the 48,000 for the roof off because we'll just cut that hole for the vent, we get another 48,000
that we can spend on other stuff. >> I think that's been made clear that there's no extra money for things. I think that's been made clear. >> So, we're fine with it's not going back to zero. There is no >> But that is what you just said. >> I said there isn't a cost. It's a scope
of services. I'm saying that Florida Commerce believes that changing out the windows, repairing whatever vent is related to their roof, fixing their doors, painting the outside of the house, replacing their ceilings, replacing sophets, painting the fascia
would all be covered. >> And until you hear back from them, you don't know otherwise. >> Until we agree on the submitt and sent it to them, we can't do anything. We're dead in the water. That's exactly right. But at this point, >> sorry, could we allow board member Breton? >> Excuse me. >> Excuse me. Excuse me. As a part of our
presentation, I invite Honorable Shirley Brennan. >> What? >> Oh, yes. We did know that the Mr. Hamilton's sister was going >> Hello. >> Okay. I'm just going to allow board member Fresco to ask questions. >> Pardon me. >> Thank you.
>> As other board members. >> Yeah. Thank you. I just >> Sorry, Mark. >> You know, >> you can wait right there. you know, we we've been dealing with this for a long long time and um and this I think just needs to be solved. And I think we need to keep in mind we are talking about a
historic building. So u you know it's not covered under the national registry which is fine but it is under our code it's a historic building right >> state of Florida >> and and under the city. So, you know, first of all, you know, I think that
that the the solution that we have on the table is a good one. Everybody's in agreement on this at this point in terms of scope of service. Not talking about money. We're talking about scope of service. But >> but I think that it also is something
that having gone through the restoration process myself, um it's a completely different form of construction than a grant to just put on new windows and doors and that kind of stuff. And I will say that, you know, and it it's a it's a a more detailed
it's a more expensive uh process. And so I think ultimately that regardless of hopefully we can get this resolved that at some point we need to do two things. One, I think we need to have some form of grant available in the city. Doesn't
have to cover everything but for historic restoration. We need a historic restoration grant. I wouldn't have a problem if we put it in place for this one right here with with uh in case you know in case this thing doesn't work. But the second and the second thing is
that um I you know I just want to mention that u this CDBG grants >> in the future >> they have been a problem all the way through this thing and and the city doesn't have enough control of this process for us to take responsibility
for it. So at some point the city has to decide are we going to continue to do these uh CDBG grants >> and oversee them properly >> and that's it. That's an issue for the future, >> right? >> But I think we got an answer on the floor if we just agree to it.
>> Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen of this city commission. I'm Shirley Brennan Schlemer. I'm a retired judge of this 19th Judicial Circuit and an attorney of 30 years. >> Could you bring the microphone a little bit closer to your mouth? >> We have a lot of noise outside. Thank
you. In the course of my career, I have always sought to find truth and to do justice without regard to position, wealth, or friendship. And I know that you all will do the same. I've read all of the documents in this case. There are
many errors, disingenuous statements, and unreasonable delay. To determine the facts and the credibility of those speaking before you, you must look to the independent, unbiased persons without an interest in the outcome. And
that is the engineer in this case. He's the one that fits the bill. He told you what the damages were and how to repair them. Patriot and Guardian have a financial interest. The city manager has an obvious animosity to the Hamiltons.
The Hamiltons want their historical home fixed without further delay. In October of 2024, Florida Commerce sent a letter, which I read, that said that the roof was non-compliant with historical standards. They did not
approve the case being closed on the roof. They did not authorize the payment to Patriot, but the city manager did so anyway. Shipo also wrote a letter in November 18th of
24 that the completed work again did not conform and that in fact the property suffered an adverse effect as a result of the work that Patriot did. That is exactly why Robert and Olga Hamilton do not want
Patriot involved again. Even if they bid five cents, they they were to do two projects. They damaged both of those projects. They they were done improperly and amateurish. According to the engineer on March 27th, as everybody stated, all
had agreed to the McKe report. Robert and Olga were led to believe by the city manager that they could pick McKe as the contractor. And now September 2025, 6 months later, don't forget this started in 2023. We're
in 2025. So, six months after he told them they could use this fella, he says, "Nope, we need to open these bids again, which is going to put this project, I'd say, two and a half to three years before it's finished." And I think you've already determined
the spo the scope of the work based on the engineers report. It sets forth everything in great detail of the work to be done. And McKe bid to do that work and everyone accepted it.
and code red's bid was also reasonable. Robert and Oler are asking this commission to follow federal code 200.320C4 and request a non-competitive procurement
in this case if any is the book was written for. This is this case is what this law was written for. It's warranted because the project delay has been over a year. The damages must be fixed by someone with historical skills.
McKe has the skills. His work has been accepted by all. There are no other historical contractors in the area besides McKe that are willing to take a small project like this. I believe the Hamilton
searched for other contractors and could not find them. Robert and Olga, you know, the most important thing about this whole thing if you do the non-competitive procurement
is that this will be finished without any further delay. Robert and Olga just want their historical home fixed. They do not want a million-doll lawsuit against the city patriot or guardian.
So, I'm asking you board members to exercise your authority to request a non-competitive procurement and I thank you for your time. >> Let me finish and uh you you move.
>> Mr. Mortell stated we have correct system. We have been asking for inspection and reopen roof and inspect and we were telling we do not have any vent system.
How that cobra roof reach vent system suddenly appeared on our roof. I would like to know there were no inspection. Our all requests were denied by Mr. Mortell. Recently Mr. Mortell sent an
email telling commissioners and to us that we have already three door completed in his recent mail. So we have already roof Richmond and three doors. Yes, I requested uh records again and I
will be again and again if not I will use a uh specific uh companies and everything to get this records who approved Cobra roofri vent system when it was installed because we do not have but we have Mr. mortal falsely stating
over and over we have roof reach vent system and now it's cobra we do not have any roof reach vent system on our roof and it can be confirmed it can be confirmed by uh commissioner rate who looked at the roof it's kept there no
air coming in the attic and now Mr. Martell implied we have >> excuse I'm going to echo the remark of the vice mayor. Please do not be accusing staff of >> It's okay. Uh I I'm almost done. I'm
almost done. But after this meeting, of course, I will have to write another email, another request for reinspection. So we need to establish what kind of Cobra roof reach system there. This is
the first time we uh heard from the city manager about Cobra roof reach vent system. We never ask for bitboard ceiling or any new walls or anything because we are restoring our historical own bitboards. We don't need it. Paul,
we asked since July, since July 2024, since August when we found please roof reach vent system, please open the roof, please complete the roof and we denied and denied and denied.
So thank you. Maybe we can move forward. Maybe we can use this is way out that is given to us by code of federal regulations. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Kins. >> Mr. Mrs. Hamilton, do you have any other
people you would like to speak in with regard your issue? >> You should you should read that >> just to wrap it up real quick and easy. You know, >> it's hard to hear. >> Sorry. I don't have an axe to grind.
>> As people who know me in this community for 25 years, one, and don't anybody take this, I am not afraid to walk in that courtroom. But I'm not here for that. I know axe to grime at him. What's wrong is wrong, and what's right is right.
Let's just get it worked out. Let's get it resolved. If we can take advantage of a federal law, rule, code, let's just do it and move on. I like Mr. Brebell suggested, maybe in the future
that could be done. And remember this, the city gets extra points on the historical building big time. I'm sure he knows this. Um, when we met, everything was fine. We got along real good. He was very personable. And when the air conditioner died, I did
call him and say, "Hey, it died. will there be any extra money? And he says, I can get you up to 80,000 or what? I I don't He'll remember. I didn't ask a contractor. I went out and got bids from the original people who put the air conditioning because I teased them and
said, "We only got 20 years out of this. What's wrong with a train?" They laughed. They're a local company. I did the research. Mini splits is what they want you to use in historical buildings because it's inside the envelope. other stuff that should have been used.
Pressuret treated wood on the roof. It twist dries. Again, we just want to get it resolved. Everybody can go away happy. He can go away happy. He'll still get his credit. HUD and Oi,
they will not close this file out. That comes above Commerce. And without getting into the weeds, commerce is under investigation by HUD. I'm not going to disseminate or discuss what's going on with the federal investigators, OGA and I. I want to get
it resolved. That's their dog fight between them and commerce that unfortunately it trickles down to Mr. Mortell. So then we're all at odds and they're all sitting up there laughing. It's not a funny joke when it's our home. So we'd like to get it resolved and if plausible, let's utilize the law,
>> not in in a nefarious way. Judge Brennan was right. Let's just utilize it. Maybe Mr. Jenkins will agree with that. Maybe he won't. We might have a disagreement. We just want our home fix. I thank you for your time. The other people with us.
I'm sure you understand. They'll echo a lot of what we said because there are people of the community. There are people that have been here like Deborah Harris from Francis Langford back in the day. All we want is our little church fixed. Mr. Breckville knows me. He's
watched me in that building from the time I moved in there. Didn't cause no trouble in the hood. Didn't cause no trouble. In fact, we have friends with with all the AT&T guys. Lindsay Breville, my neighbor. Never had a cross word with her. We all get along in
there. That man's watched me work on that place, sand it, and clean it. Again, we're not trying to get over on anybody here. We're not trying to get extra. I appreciate what Mr. Mortell said about the bead. I don't need nobody touching and be honest with you and know I'm being smart. I don't want nobody
touching that beadboard. I've been at it for four and a half years and you got to know what you're doing when you mess with it. I don't want that in production work. So, with that said, I know you want to move on, sir. I appreciate you taking the time to get this worked out
and the rest of you. So, OGA, if you're done, I think Mr. Jenkins probably both stay there. I'm because I'm pretty sure board member Reed has questions for you. Oh, I'm sorry. >> I have one, too. >> I do. For clarification purposes, Lee, can we do a non-competitive bid
according to that federal >> I've brought it up as to what it says. Okay. Just because we've never used it doesn't mean we can't. >> Are we able to? Yes. >> I've not reviewed the regulation that was cited and I'll have to review do some research, but a week or two ago, we received an email from the Commerce Department that we have to go out for
competitive bid. And I I it it it may be a non-issue if if McKe bids and there's they might be the only bidder. >> Explain that. >> They might be the only bidder and this is all for nothing >> if they're if they're one of three biders. The Hamilton to just select McKe
even if they're the highest bid. So this is I I think we're putting the cart before the horse at this point. We've agreed on a scope of work. That's all the commerce department wanted us to do. It seems like we've finally reached that. Let's go forward with it. And and the scope of work is between the original scope of work.
>> It's the McKe's Mck. >> Well, the only thing that McKe is missing is the roof ridge vent insulation. >> Hang on, Olga. So, so between the original scope of services and McKe that will solve their issues. Send it out for
bid, I guess, RFPwise, and just specific historical preference preferred, I guess, historical knowledge or >> right >> um for restoration purposes. And that should take care of it. >> I I assume and maybe um >> unless Mr. Jenkins knows otherwise
>> and talk about the the ridge vent. >> Well, the the building the issue with the ridge vent is when Mr. Martell references a Cobra. >> Could you introduce yourself? >> I'm Antonio Jenkins with Guardian CRM. I am the city grant consultant. Uh Miss Don Cobb is also with me. Uh the issue
we have with the roof is the roof has passed the building department inspection and it has what they call a cobra styled ridge vent. means it sits flat and it has that mesh in between it and it filters the air out that way. Uh what we're looking for is a raised ridge vent and I don't think we have any
objection to putting that raised ridge vent on the home at this particular point as an agreed upon part of the scope of work. >> So with so with the ridge vent that's in there it it can filter it but then when you have your cap is that cap sealed? >> Yeah, that that cap there's a little bit of a space in between the >> it's not it's not
>> so it's not fully sealed. It's it's not fully sealed. What do you mean by that? Like it just means the air the air filtrates through the mesh and up and down the ridge vent and in the little bit of space in between it seeps out is
the best way to put it. Uh it is not quite as efficient as heat and heat exchange as a raised ridge vent, but it is a code approved system >> because like it it meets obviously the the ridge vent. it meets it and you have that gap where you put the foam in. But
if it's capped on the exterior, >> we don't it's not in dispute. >> Yeah, we Yeah, we're going to put in a raised bridge at this point. So, it's we just need a motion from the board between the original scope of services to >> I would like to know where's the space where's the air coming. Correct. >> Well, the air comes in and in the mesh,
>> correct? >> Hold on. What? >> But it's filled. >> Mr. Jenkins is speaking. Okay, Miss Hamilton. It's the air exchange is in between the mesh >> and the the space in between. It's not a solid space between the cap, which is
the metal part that sits on top. And then you have an open space where your decking your two pieces of wood come together. >> Open then. >> Correct. It's open filled with mesh there. >> Okay. >> And that's a breathable mesh. >> So what is that white stuff then? Before we go down the whole path of an old
engineering report, we'd be better off just agreeing that we'll put a raised ridge bin in the scope of work includes the raised bridge. >> I have no idea what that is from that photo. Neither do I. That's what I was asking. >> Yeah, I have no idea what that is from the photo. >> Can Can I ask Mr. Jenkins a question? Uh
you mentioned just prior to that that it isn't the optimum and I would think for historical restoration the optimum is what we would want. So what would be the optimum and to address that in the scope of work that we're adding to right now? >> Historicwise raised r raised ridge vent
or cobra ridge vent won't really make a difference. We've already got the approval with the cobra ridge vent. Uh shipo state housing historic preservation office has said that this roof as it currently exists meets the historical standard. But again, what
we're going to do is now that we have an agreed upon scope of work, we don't want to kind of fight that battle, let's just go ahead and agree to add in the raised ridge vent because it's the preference for the Hamiltons for efficiency uh wise, for longevity of the material that's in the attic.
>> Is that what it had prior? >> So, we're going same for same. >> You're going to It wasn't quite a raised ridge vent. It was more of a ridge cap vent, but it was more breathable uh than what we currently have. Okay. But can we
not have the more breathable ridge vent? >> You can. You can have what's on there now. It is past the scope of work, past the building department inspection. >> We don't on the scope of services. We're debating the scope of services. >> We're already past. We're going to change it to Richmond, >> right?
>> Yeah. I mean, it's not an issue. >> Well, well, it's an issue if the Hamiltons aren't going to agree to that scope of work. >> Well, you all want to raise the response. Just one second. >> Okay. Could you pull that photograph back up, please? Mr. >> We requested We requested inspection
>> of documents. There were no specifications in the building department on roof. >> Please just pull up the phone. >> Mr. Hartton is here. >> Okay. >> We do not have any specifications. >> Mr.
Can you zoom out a little bit? There you go. Okay. Looking up from the attic. This is the mess Mr. Jenkins is talking about. This is the cut out and this is a cap. This is no vent whatsoever. The original group had a
raised ridge vent that's got thousands and thousands of tiny holes in it. Let a mosquito go in. And that's you see right here. Took this out. We crawled up there and took this photograph. That's the crack of life that seeps in. There is no
way on God's green earth that that could ever ventilate that building properly. >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah, I just said that it's not up. >> So, I think is the raised roof vent included in the scope of services?
>> Please stop. >> No, both of you know, but we're trying to get to it. Let's move to the procurement portion of it. >> Thank you. Unfortunately, your housing assistance plan outlays the way your projects have to be bid. That's your policy. So, your policy is not going to allow you for that exemption without
changing the policy. You're going to have to go through the commerce approved uh RFP process or to get those bids. Now, if you wanted to use that exemption, you could change the policy, but that's going to take just as long as going out to bid and getting a new bid
in. And when you look when you look at >> also expose us to having to reopen the other people because everybody has to be treated equally. Yes. >> And so then we have to start getting into everybody's being reopened and everybody gets an option to do all these other things. >> Madam you may not just to the dis.
>> You may not do that. >> So so right now you would follow your housing assistance plan and go out to bid. That scope of work will have what they call a cost estimate generated by us inhouse. And as long as the contractors is within plus or minus 15%
any of the bidding contractors, you can't restrict it to just historic contractors, you have to place it out. Uh, and those contractors can bid on the project. Now, the Hamiltons do get to choose that contractor. In this case, let's just say McKe. Let's say you have
five bids and McKe is outside of that plus or minus 15% cost estimate. The Hamilton still get to choose McKe. We just have to come before you to get approval that they can accept McKe as their contractor. Correct. >> And as it relates to the roof, how that
would work is the Hamiltons would have McKe and they would say, "Hey, Mr. McKe, I'm assuming that's his name. Uh, we would like to use Code Red Roofing to have you install the ridge vent." Yes. So, they would do that and Code Red Roofing would be a subcontractor to McKe. >> Correct. I am presuming that if the
Hamiltons chose code red um they chose McKe and brought it before city council that you all would probably be inclined given the situation to approve it. >> Correct. >> So you would have to go through that process or change your local policy. >> And now within the non-competitive
procurement rules. Okay. Um number four there's five criteria by which you could go this path. Number uh four is that the recipient or subreient requests in writing to use a non-competitive procurement method.
>> But five is five is Robert the fifth option is after soliciting several sources competition the competition is inadequate. So if we do not end up with
McKe in this group, >> right, and it's and they don't even bid and we determine that the competition for your bid is inadequate. >> No, Mr. Each each of these singly qualifies you. Correct. You don't have to. All five don't only one.
>> But these are where if we find that competitively there's not somebody there that can do what you need done, >> then you can go this non-competitive route. You can you would have to get permission from commerce. But keep in mind your contract is still with Florida Commerce. >> If we go this right, if we sign this
scope of services, we can get started now. >> Yes. >> Moving forward and McKe can be one of those people that you can select. Absolutely. And if you cannot find a competitive person within that process now, you can look at going this route. >> Correct. >> And I don't see a reason why McKe would not be on that bid list. We wouldn't
prohibit them. All we have to do is the scope of service currently. Is that true, Mr. We're not exposing this the city to more liability of other people feeling like they were treated unfairly when this is a >> No, you're following the same normal process. >> We're going through a normal process and if it so happens that there is not a competitive option there, then you can
look at the non >> correct. What my recommendation would be is we take that non-compet that process. Hey, we're in special circumstances here. Uh we followed our housing assistance plan rules. We are asking for commerce to give us that waiver. That way the liability is shifted away from the city. We have approval from the
funer and then we can move forward. >> We signed the scope of services. We did everything we could to do this the right way. >> Hamilton's need to sign it. We've signed it. We've agreed to it. We agreed to it. We're ready to submit it. >> That's it. >> Is that is that reasonable? >> The only things missing are the
>> raised ridge roof. >> Can we just hear from Mr. Hamilton in response to this question? >> Easy, easy, easy. >> I know everybody's excited. >> This is tense. Yes. >> Um I forgot your question. It's all agreeable. agree to the scope of service. >> That means >> yes, the reason that we sent one.
>> Let's go. >> I'm agreeable to the scope of service. >> It does not currently. I will add that in. We've we've taken it out and added it in and taken it out. >> So, on the record, you're saying you're going to add it back in for >> them to sign.
>> Robert, is that okay? >> Can we move forward, Robert? Can we sign this and move forward? >> Can Mr. Hamilton remember what he wants to say? To be honest with you, >> there's a lot as you can you imagine a year in our life going through this daily with the emails.
>> Well, then you don't have to say anything right now, but my hope is in good faith you can take a look at what's provided and we can get this signed and move forward. >> I believe Olga and I are in agreement with the scope of work. Correct. Yes or no? >> Uh no story. >> One moment. One moment. Uh be before I
leave this place, I would like request the specifications on the Cobra roof reach vent system. >> Why? >> From the >> We're talking about a new roof. >> No, no, no, no, no. Mr. Mortell and Mr.
Jenkins stated we have Cobra roof reach vent system. We're off. >> I would like to have from the building department >> or do you want a roof fridge vent on the house? >> We're off that. Come on. I would like to have that specifications and I would like to have an inspection by interended
to check if that was installed according to specifications and I want to know when corporifications were >> one second or I think >> I think what her concern >> to the building department >> okay >> I think what her concern is this has
turned into as you all know a very convoluted messell has his opinion Mr. Mr. Bagget, a smart lawyer. He stays quiet. >> We're there, Robert. Okay. >> Yeah, you won. Robert convoluted at this point. It's not convoluted. If you'll sign the scope of services, we can move forward.
>> That's what it was. You just reminded me again, the scope of work's not an issue at all. Do you agree with that? Yes or no, Oga? No story. >> The recent one, >> the recent one. I'm agreeable. What I'm not agreeable to, I will not sign that waiver they sent me to sign all my
rights away. >> What's the waiver? >> We're not going to get into that. He knows what I'm talking about. So does Mr. They wanted me. It will definitely stop the process. You cannot have somebody sign all your rights away to fix your property that you can't go to court. Bull crap.
>> Buck stops there. I apologize for saying bull crap, but yes, I'm agreeable to the scope of work. Oie ogre is Mr. Jen. He will >> and it sounds like we're there. >> Put the roof ridge the the whatever the the right correct roof ridge vent system
in. Can we can I add Mr. Mayor can I add one statement please? >> He indicated he will be adding >> that to the scope of work. >> I >> thank you sir. >> Mr. Mayor >> and one moment that mortgage we have with the city 57,330
I need a paper that mortgage is new and void. >> Yeah that was her. >> We are not putting another mortgage on our place. >> Okay. Okay. You said it. The bottom line is when then the city comes back says, "Hey, we paid Patriot for this. This gets added to it." No, it's not. Even
though it's not a payment mortgage, I get that. >> Can we visit that? >> It'll never come up. That's all she >> It has never come. >> That mortgage has been recorded. >> All All she's asking All she's asking >> Well, everybody's on the record. >> Can I just finish? All she's asking Oh,
God. All she's asking is because she's used to being in a courtroom with judges and attorneys, she just wants it put in writing for God's sakes. >> I hear what he's saying. >> If I can respond, the mortgage is a nonpayment mortgage. They don't have to
pay anything. What Florida Commerce wants to do is record the amount they pay. So, if it comes out to $81,000 and Florida Commerce wants to change the mortgage to $81,000, I'm not going to be able to stop them.
But at the end of that term, whatever it is, I don't know how many years it is. Is it five or whatever it is? It's 100% forgiven. They don't have to pay anything back. So, it's not like they're paying interest on the amount. They're not paying payments on the amount. It's the same obligation that they would have
to follow either way. Florida Commerce put the amount in the mortgage of what the bid was that they accepted. That was the amount of the mortgage. So, if the bid turns out to be $81,000, it's very likely that Florida Commerce is going to
want to change the mortgage to reflect that amount. However, so what? It doesn't matter because they don't have to make any payments. They they live there for the five years and it's 100% forgiven and it's over with. That way it's not forgiving this mortgage. For
example, if something happens to me, I get hit by car Robert something and we cannot take care of this place and we have to sell for example because we are not able to it's it's a very difficult to take care of historical building and
if something happens I have to we will have to pay not just 80,000 by 57,000 as well if that is null and okay can can I One >> commission. I Excuse me, sir.
>> Member Gob as we now have come close. I want to thank the Hamiltons. I want to thank I want to thank you. I want to thank your sister for coming here to speak and other people have spoken in your behalf. I want to thank everyone here who has come halfway at least to make this happen. So that's your Mr.
Jenkins, the city manager, all of that. The one thing I wanted to add, and I think it got lost in there, the insulation is not on this um scope of work. >> That's correct. That's because the ceilings aren't there. You can't blow in insulation if there are no ceilings. Oh, is it there now? >> Yeah. And you can't use blown insulation
in historical building. It's got to be a rock wall or like a rock wall. They're back. >> But once once we once we get the scope signed, we're going to send that up to Shipo anyway for all of their opponents to make sure they approve it. We're not going to move forward until we get approval at every single level
beforehand. >> Uh so as it relates to the mortgage right now, they don't have an active mortgage. just hasn't been recorded. >> I I do understand Mrs. Hamilton's concern >> and I do understand her concern. Here's how CDBG is structured. If something happens to one of them, the other
continues on with the mortgage. If something happens to both of them, that mortgage is automatically forgiven. Okay? Uh and automatic automatically forgiven. If they happen to want to sell the home and after all of this, I don't think they would probably ever want to sell it. But no, they they really >> if something happens and they decide to sell it, they can always approach the
city council and say for hardship uh whatever that hardship may be, even if it's this portion of it, we would like to have that waved. >> Again, I'd like to thank everyone because now a lot of things are on the record that were unclear and missspoken and whatnot. So, I think a lot of things are very
>> Thank you. >> I think a lot of things are very clear and in the open and they're on record and they can be certainly, you know, referred to and whatnot. I want to thank everyone involved. the Hamiltons, Miss Jenkins, the city attorney, the city manager, all of the commissioners. Thank you, Mark. Um, this has been a long time
coming for Sean and I. It's something that happened way before we even got on to this commission, and I really like to see it just resolve and move forward. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. And I don't I do not see a need for a specific presentation by our own
staff. We seem to have been >> we have gotten to the point where we will wait for the Hamiltons to sign the scope of service. >> Do we need to make any sort of >> I don't believe so. I think they I think staff understands us and and the Hamiltons you understand.
>> Can we just as one other point of reference for you? >> Will you allow Mr. Mortell to >> We can do the tax meeting at the end of the city commission meeting. It just has to be after five. So as long as we do right into that >> or we can do it at the end of it if we want to start getting we can skip it
till after. >> Oh it can be at the end of the next. >> Yes. If we want to wait and do it at the end it's just going to be later. >> Okay. So then we will I am adjourning this meeting. Thank you all for participating. We will adjourn the ne we
will convene the next meeting at 610.