Ready. >> Y >> call this meeting to order. The city manager application review committee on February 13, 2026 at 10 a.m. Susay, would you call do the roll call, please? >> Vice Mayor Reid
>> here. >> Robin Cartwright here. Ryan Cavo, Karen Chambers >> here, >> and Dan Hudson >> here. >> We all raise and stand up and do the pledge of >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of
America to the standy. All right, we're going to start with the oath of office as agenda item number one. So, if you will all stand and raise your right hand and repeat after me. This is the oath that that Susi is
passing out to you. So, you don't have to listen to all my words, but >> so I state your name. >> Am qualified under the Constitution, laws of Florida, and the code of ordinances for the city of Stewart, Florida. >> Yeah. Yeah. Repeat. Sorry.
>> And qualify under the constitution laws of Florida or Florida service >> to serve as a member of the city manager application review committee. >> serve as a member of the city manager application committee >> and that I will well and faithfully
perform the duties >> that I will well and faithfully perform the duties >> of an advisory board member on which I'm about to enter. So help me God. >> of an advisory board member on which I am about to enter. So help me God. Thank you. You may be seated. Before we leave today, you'll need to sign in front of
uh our our deputy city clerk. Can I get a motion for approval of the agenda? >> Motion. >> All right, we've got a motion for approval of the agenda by the vice mayor and um we also have uh a second by board
member Cartwright. Do we have any discussion on the matter? All right. Um, wait. >> All in favor? >> All in favor? >> I I >> All right. Motion passes. Any opposed?
Motion passes unanimously. We're going to move on to welcome comments by myself. So, welcome to the committee. Um, obviously before we got started, I briefly discussed, but I am going to be the attorney for the board, this
committee. So, I'm not a member of the board. We have five members, but one is absent. And so, uh, the four of you will discuss the items. Uh, if you have any legal questions, feel free to ask of me while we're here. Uh, I anticipate that we will have just
one meeting. However, it's possible that after this meeting sometime in the future, the city commission could return the item to you. So, uh we'll discuss that in a little bit as far as uh the legal ramifications of that. Um if if everybody would let's go around
the room and introduce yourselves. I think we all know each other, but uh for the record, we've got it on our agenda. So, let's start with Vice Mayor >> Don Reed, vice mayor of the city of Stewart. >> Board member Hudson. >> Uh Dan Hudson. Well, I guess I was former city manager
from 2006. >> Good. Robin Cartwright also love the city never >> Harry Chambki, human resources legal concepts you need to know on the sunshine law. I think most of you are familiar with it, but I'm just um if
there's any questions here today, obviously ask me or if there's any questions after the meeting, feel free to reach out to ask me. But uh it's been my opinion that these committees are subject to sunshine and that's why we're going through this formality. Um, I I
recommend that you continue to abide by the Sunshine Law even after we uude today's meeting because like I said, I think it's it could be possible that they could return the item to you. So, I would probably um cling on to the rules for Sunshine until we actually hire the
the city manager because it it could likely come back to you guys. Let's say we pick someone, they drop out, we have to redo the process. Hypothetically, hopefully that won't happen. I just don't want you guys to violate sun. Okay.
Um, and obviously sunshine is you can't meet two or more of you outside an advertised publicized meeting like we are here today to discuss something that would come before you as a board. You can obviously discuss other things that wouldn't be related to city business uh
in your duties here today on helping uh limit the the candidate pool for the city commission. Uh, just be aware there are ci civil and criminal penalties if you violate sunshine. So, I'm just letting you know. I I again, I think most of you are aware of this already, but if there are
specific questions, I get them uh all the time. Uh, feel free to reach out to me even after the meeting. We're going to move on to agenda item number five, the selection of the chair. I've been acting as a chair because we didn't haven't uh adopted one or appointed someone yet for as the chair of this
committee. So, I'm going to open up the discussion. If anybody wants to recommend another board member or they want to volunteer, uh, feel free to do so. And we'll have to have you guys vote on a chair. >> I agree.
>> So, we all right. So, we got a motion. >> Appreciate you saying I'm the senior. >> The youngest one, too. The youngest senior. Is there >> is there a motion or is it or do you want further discussion on it or >> I have a motion? >> So, we're going to need a motion.
>> Um, do you want are we following Robert discussion? >> Well, um, right now we're I was asking if there's anybody who volunteers or anybody wants to make a motion to volunteer someone else. That that's where we're at. >> Is there historically a conflict with somebody from the commission being the
chair of the selection committee? I I don't see a conflict because we don't have other members of the city commission. >> Okay. So, can I get a motion to that effect? >> All right. Can I get a second? All right. So, we've got a motion u to
nominate the vice mayor Reid as the chair of this committee. And we've got a second to that motion. Any discussion? Any further discussion on the motion? Okay. U we do roll call on this one, please. >> Roll call.
>> Vice Mayor Reid, >> yes. >> Committee member Cartwright, >> yes. >> Committee member Chambers Coffee and Committee Member Hudson. >> Yeah. >> Motion passes. >> I'm going to pass the gavl to vice mayor and I will remain here if you have any
further questions of Lee. >> So I guess we can start in going clockwise order and stop. Uh start with Committee member Chambers Coffee and um what I did is I wrote the tab number and
the applicants that I chose process. >> I did as well. >> Okay. >> Yes. And um I have a little um a little on my reasoning as to why I selected them. >> Could you please use your microphone?
>> Sure. Can you hear me? Okay. Okay. Um, so the first one that I had was Matthew uh Mark Matthysse and uh the reason is that he has 15 years uh city manager experience uh in Felsmere plus
another 20 approximately 20 years senior leadership and director roles in local government and he's also ICMA certified. is Roz. Um, this might be a question for you then. So, on this short list recommendation, are we supposed to be
exing them off because this was given unto us by Ross like for which board members select someone? So, if someone else >> I'm assuming that's what it's for, >> right? So if um so we have whoever we selected so you can write it in and then
at the end we kind of see if we have any commonalities and then based on that come up. >> Okay. No, you can and you can >> and you can enter it as well as I read. You can enter my selection and then we have >> so that way we can have a
>> a visual. >> I think the list that you're seeing um >> did you have vice >> I think that's the veterans preference. >> So it was the veterans preference they were on there and then we were supposed to write >> so ours as well. >> Yes. So the veterans preference, we have
to interview those. So that's those are not in question. >> Um and we just >> I think they they have to be um they have to meet the minimum qualifications, too. I mean your list. Mine's shorter. >> I add it. I add it. All right. >> Yes, they do meet the minimum qualifications. So we have to interview
those. So those are short interview. >> You like me proceed? >> Yes. Uh I also have um Christopher Russo. Christopher Mr. Russo has about 14 years of experience as a city manager in Sunny
Isles, Florida and over 28 years total senior leadership uh local government experience and he's also ICMA certified. What number is he? Uh Russo is 73. I'm sorry. Matis is 58.
And then I have Colin Donnelly. Donnelly has approximately 13 years city manage experience in Dena Beach, Florida and a total of over 21 years of senior leadership experience as well local government ICMA certified as well. And
that is a tab 25. Then I have uh Chandler Williamson. Chandler Williamson has seven years of city manager experience in Kooki, Florida
and that is cab number 83. Then I have Howard Brown, 4 years city manager experience in Indiantown, Florida. Total of approximately 20 years of local government senior senior leadership experience and ICM certified as well.
>> What number? That's number 13. And I have Shamro Robinson. That's 72. Shamra has 17 years city manager experience outside of the state. Illinois. A total of 20 years uh
government local leadership experience as well. ICMA certified. >> You spell >> um Shamra. S H A M R A Robinson R O B I N S O N.
Then I have Artha Ferrell Benitis and that is tab number 28. He has 11 years city manager experience out of state, various states actually and she's also ICMA certified.
Then Carl Defin has eight years of city manager experience outside of the state as well various states over 17 years of leadership experience in local government senior leadership. >> What tab was that? >> And Al Gen is 32.
And then I have Thomas 79. He has seven years of city manager experience various states outside of state of Florida. And last but not least, I have
Shane Corbin. Have number 19. Four years city manager experience in Atlantic Beach, Florida. Uh total of about 20 years senior leadership in local government. I will my >> the next
four Corbin >> Thomas number 79. >> All right. >> All right. Board member Cartright. >> So, we had some similarities and then I have a backup list. Um, but uh in
numerical order, not in order of preference. Um, number 20, Angela Cruz. Um, she has municipality experience, strategic planning. She's been on a city commission as well as vice mayor. She's on the Palm Beach MO and has CRA
experience. Next up, uh, similar to you said, Frellas, I had >> that one as well for Miss Benitas. Um, I also had number 32 for Carl Gfkin.
Okay. >> Um, based on the number of employees that he has managed. I also thought his cover letter was very thoughtful with the city of sport references. >> Um, then I had number 36, Jason Goldstein. He is current and assistant village
manager. He's got some interesting governmental experience and he's looking to relocate to Florida. Um, are we discussing concerns at this point as well or only just recommendations? >> Just recommendations. >> Um, then I have number 44. Mr. Stanley
Hawthorne currently has city manager and town experience. He does live in Florida. He has certified government financial manager certification and he has led a large number of employees as well. I have number 48, Christopher Ingram.
Oh, no, I'm kidding. Um, Mr. Ibershoff. William Ibershoff. Sorry, wrong name. >> 48. >> 48. Definitely 48. Maybe the wrong name. His most recent position was as a city administrator. Um, in his resume, he wrote specifically in his current job
that he quote focuses on keeping small town charm with the pressures of growth, which I think aligns with a lot of what we're facing. He also has waste management experience and city council experience. and his cover letter referenced the growth of the city that they faced a 30% increase while he was
city administrator. So I think some similar parallels as well. Um for my next one I also had Mr. Matthysse number 58 Mark Matthysse. Um and then my final definite that I would
like to make a recommendation to discuss is number 67 Mr. Charles Morris, also currently a city manager, also resides in Florida. He has a great variety of general municipality experience and he's in the process of already acquiring his ICMA CM designation.
>> May I just confirm? >> Yes. So, number 20, 28, >> 32, 36, 54, 48, 58, and 67. >> Yes, that is correct. And then again,
I've got a list of >> All right, Dan, you're up. >> Okay, I'm going to be >> I place a high priority on Florida Experience. Mhm. >> So, um I have number 19 Corbin. Also,
number 73, Russo, also uh number 76, which I don't >> is that the one from Fort Pierce. >> Yeah. And then kind of in a second here, if
you will, I also have Williamson 83. >> Okay, that would be Chandler >> and then Larry Tibs under the veteran. >> Dan, did you say Chandler Williamson? >> Yes. Yes. Oh, and I'm going to add
>> Yeah. >> Okay. So, like like Dan, um I focused heavy on on Florida as well. Um and I'm going to include the veteran preferences as well. So, I had Cab 6, Glenn Adams,
I had tab 19, Shane Corbin. I had tab 25, Colin Donnelly. I had tab 34, uh, Michael Girardino. I had tab 42, that was David Harell.
I had tab 44, Stanley Hawthorne. And I had tab 56, Jeremy Marshall. I also had tab 58, Mark Matthysse. I had tab 62, Ricardo Menddees.
I also had tab 73, Christopher Russo. And tab 80 was Larry Tibs. And tab 83 was Chandler Williams. Is everyone all caught up? >> Yes. I just had one question for Dan.
And did you say 58 was one of yours as well? Top 58. >> 58. Matthysse. Yes. If you would add my >> That was yours, right Dan? 76. >> Yeah. So, I don't know if you guys I I don't know what the board wants, but if we did
like um a tab number maybe and looked at their particular resume and then discussed it, um to me that would make more sense unless anyone has a prediction that Yeah, we could also look at those we have in common.
>> The ones that are very in common to look at. >> Yeah, the ones that we have in common. Maybe look at those first. >> The ones with the largest number. >> So Mark Matis would have been all four across the board. >> So that's number had three of you. >> So uh let's see. I guess we can start in
tab tab lowest first then. So that'd be Shane Corbin. >> Yes. you wanted to start there where if you wanted to go by majority or if you want to start with Matthysse that had four >> whatever whatever >> let's let's uh go to 58 then Mark Matthysse because he had four across the
board and then I'll work on the threes and then twos I kept thinking my 58 was 53 three out. So, it's confusing me. >> All right. So, this is Mark Mat then. >> Yes.
>> I don't know if you want to just go around or if anyone wants to contribute. I think it's probably easier for anyone that wants to contribute on the experience and stuff. Um I know currently I believe uh is he at the city of Felmore currently? because when I look at it, it
says 29 to 924. >> Um, it's Yeah, it says yeah, 924 through January 2026, >> but I believe he's still there because when you look at the district manager, it says 924 to 126. >> Correct.
Yeah, he may be there as a district manager >> and he also lives in the city of Stewart currently on Coconut Avenue. >> Yeah. And he has experience working with the county commission. >> Yeah, he's very familiar with the city.
>> I know Mark. I worked with him when he was MO at county. >> Okay. have, you know, I've known him professionally in his work in >> the only thing I noticed um in the application.
Okay. So, it was on it was on the resume. It just wasn't on the application where he went from the Martin County BOCC to Lceto and Associates and went to city of Felsmere. >> Saw that. >> Yeah, that was the only thing that I noticed. It just could have been a typo.
Maybe. >> No, I you know what I noticed on some of these is people only listed their relevant experience. Yeah. >> Like maybe three or four people pertaining to the application and then their resume was more robust and filled out. >> Definitely. Um, but I did catch that uh that there were it's almost like there was a gap
>> in tenure and then caught that on resume. >> He did spell Florida wrong in one place and it did make my eye twitch a little. >> Other than that, um my only concern with Mr. Matthysse and I I love that he lives in or lives in the community is that um
the number of employees that he has supervised. It's um I know this is a daunting task and so should he be invited to participate in an interview? That would just be one of the questions that I would want the commission to to ask. >> Is how many employees?
>> No, just how he would handle it. Um it looks like in his most recent position is one employee that he supervises and previous to that it was 35. And so you know if he's a good manager he's a good manager the size and he the staff that's here is amazing and will help
support him I'm sure. Um but just to make sure that it could be >> potentially daunting take that on. Now throughout this process of like the committee we're obviously making recommendations to the commission that's this afternoon
>> correct >> correct >> you're short listing candidates recommendation. >> So do you guys want to discuss it on who's going to be obviously we're discussing it now we have a long list. I don't know if we should be doing like
a vote or just getting a consensus from the committee members on hey we want this guy to >> go to the next step. >> Yeah, I think as we go through them we can and we go through their resume we can you know vote on it have a consensus and say yes definitely and then check
that off and if we get to somebody that's maybe we can do a maybe and then come back. >> Okay. So does anyone else have any discussion for Mark Matz? >> I think he's a definite for me. I would say he was 12. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Mark, >> I apologize. Some of this stuff we're going to be moving back and forth with these binders that are really intense. >> They're very thick. >> All right. So, Mark Matthysse is definitely one and then um Shane Corbin
will go to them. Yep. Tab 19. >> So I like Shane one because he had HR, he also had city manager. He was planning and zoning. Uh he's also another Florida applicant. All all mine are basically going to be Florida applicants, but that that was big for me
with Shane. >> Yeah, I like his Florida experience as well. >> He was also an environmental planner, too. So, that was big me. Yeah, he has planning and zoning and
development experience in which >> I don't follow the news closely. I cancelled my subscription to TC Palm, but I understand that's a concern. >> So, if you want to manage roads, you need some that kind of direct.
>> And I got a question for you, Dan. In your experience, I know you've been city manager of bike. When we look at experience for someone that's there, they're like a comfortable in the position. >> I wouldn't say so.
>> Yeah. No, I Yeah. If if I think most everybody that I you know on my list have served as managers, so I don't know that there's a distinction between >> one year Well, one year is probably not because that indicates a different issue, but
But you know three five 10 you know is I don't think a big difference >> right >> just like the size of the organization I don't think you know scale up scale down >> depending on when I came over here from Martin County you know I just you divide everything by
10 and that's the scale that's new scale >> yeah and then those that are in here actually have four to 10 years of experience in local government so they have this that much um the city manager most of them have at least to that most
of them. >> Yeah, I agree about the planning and zoning and the code enforcement. Um and that he also has GIS experience which I think is helpful. That was one of the things that he referenced. >> Um his objective is planning and
economic development and so I'm hopeful that is applicable to city. Some people in their objectives were, if they included one, were very, very specific. Some were very out in left field somewhere. So, >> um, >> and some actually reference the wrong
job. >> Right. >> I want to be head of public works. Okay. >> Yeah. And I noticed with some of the applicants, I think some were like uh where their objective is um they put like assistance in. That's not >> right.
>> Or I noticed that. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, >> but Mr. Corbin was on my maybe list on my >> Yeah, he was on mine as well. >> If I could just say why the reason I consider Florida experience so important, Florida has some unique
>> law that are really different from other parts of >> for sure. >> The sunshine public records just it's of a caliber that you won't find elsewhere. And then the, you know, the whole trim budget process is kind of unique to Florida.
>> I agree. Yeah. I think my first seven of them just Florida experience. >> We're trying to get to 12 applicants. >> Yeah. >> 8 to 12. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> 8 to 10. >> Well, we should be able to manage that. >> We should be.
>> All right. So, um, >> how does the committee feel about Shane Corbin then as far as moving? I think for now >> we should keep them and then we can do a second flush of once the once this list is narrowed down and remove any that are
>> borderline for consideration. >> Okay. So the next one would be Christopher Russo just tab 70. Sorry guys. You find one swipe. >> There's like a magic number of eight
tabs that you can move at one time. >> Yeah. >> Success. >> So Chris, he he had a ton of experience. He uh Yeah, he did. He was at City of Sunny Isles for >> 14 years. >> Yeah, 14 years total. I know there was a short tenure where he wasn't there, I
believe. >> Right. come back. >> Yeah, I I thought it was pretty good. >> I know we've always used Sunny Isles. I've comparison. >> It's one of those. Yes.
>> I don't know if anyone had concerns for I know anything that stood out. >> Yeah. And I also like the ICMA designation as well because that shows their leadership in local government. It's not required. It's a good thing.
Um the I I liked that he oversaw an FPL project. Thought that was very significant. Um and he's got a couple other things that he's mentioned. He's the only thing I wasn't clear about is if he's not really worked since 2021.
His resume stops there. Um is his last date of entry and for whatever reason. I mean maybe he just didn't include it because like others maybe he was doing work that wasn't relevant. Um so that's why I didn't have him on my list was there wasn't recent experience. And then the last to Mr. Hudson's point about
state of Florida and the rules. A lot has changed in the last four to five years with the current governor and administration and how things operate. Um, so I just I feel like if that exper if if the group decides that experience
time lapse is okay, then I'm happy to have him consider it. But that is a big concern. >> Yeah, I see. I see how you see that but and that is something that if we decide to go forward that is something that would be
>> okay >> you will do a comprehensive background I'm supposed >> yes we will process >> which would certainly fill in any gaps like that if you know with some kind of explanation >> they'll find it
>> yeah we will >> but I liked I liked his resume otherwise I want to be very clear about that. That was just a something that stood out to me. >> Should you want to put him as a baby and come back to it or >> he was identified by three of us, so I
said we go with them. Yeah. Let's see. So, Chandler, Williamson, Tab 83 also had three of >> Vice Mayor, can you tell me what number that was? >> Uh, 83. William
>> Williamson. >> Yeah, I I'm the only one who did >> Yeah. >> recommend him. >> Was there anything that stood out to you on why? >> No, I just had to pick and choose. I was trying not to. He was on my uh maybe list. >> Okay.
>> So, I I think he's a good candidate. I like that he has South Florida specifically experience. Um, I think he's held some amazing positions with regards to the different entities and the municipalities in which he served. >> His resume reads like he's done a lot of strategic planning.
>> Um, which I think is really helpful. Um, so I I certainly would have included him. I just was trying to limit the number that I was submitting, but he was >> Yeah. >> I like the South Florida experience as well.
>> Yeah. So, I would have absolutely no problem considering him for a position. I think he's got great experience. >> Well, I like that it was a full service city, too, that they were city manager. I think that's key for us. We have everything. >> How do we feel about this?
>> I have him as a as definite for me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I definitely think for an interview >> this was 83 Chandler >> and this was a maybe for you Robin >> only because I ran out of had to pick and choose who I was submitting for consideration.
>> I started at like 25 and I just slowly started getting lower and lower. >> If you look I've got like check check plus. No, like there's just a series of for sure. Yeah, there were some that were just obvious that didn't meet requirement, you know, stuff like that. But >> all right, so I'm going to highlight
this one then. That was the last one that had three. So now we're going to get into or two people unless I'm But Mark Matthis had all four. Tab 19, Shane Corbin had three.
>> I think >> I believe Al Gen had a couple of us. >> Uh 32. >> 32. >> Carl had two, right? Unless I missed it. >> Yeah, there's a couple that had two. Um 28 had two.
>> Yeah, >> 24 had two. But I got all the ones with fours and threes, right? >> You did. >> All right. So, we'll start with uh >> And you have eight. >> And you have total of eight. >> Yes. >> You have four of the uh veterans
preference. And then now you've picked four, >> right? >> They wanted 81 12. So, >> let's We'll go to Colin Donald. on my list. So,
>> you have notes for why he was on the >> um I have notes. I'm not sure if it was exclusive to that. Um he most recently is a grant uh grant administration for the capital improvement plan which I thought was very beneficial. A former
town manager and former assistant city manager in a town in Florida in Dana Beach. Um I was just a little confused on one thing which was in his he left his position in 2024 with the city of
Dana Beach. Um, and he stated his reason for leaving was to move back to New Jersey. But if you look at his resume, >> they're different dates. It says 2019. >> Yeah. So, he's 2019 to 2024 with the city of Dana Beach.
On the first page, >> okay, for the grant administrator, >> right? >> Right. And it says specifically that he moved to New Jersey for employment opportunities, but there's no experience past. So, I don't know if this was one of those um items where somebody put only
relevant experience on their resume or on their application. >> Um because the the resume is not in the dates all match up to 2024 and then there's nothing >> after that.
>> Um but again, it could have just been an oversight of relevant experience versus non-relevant experience. >> Yes. And I think a lot of them do that. They highlight what you know. >> Absolutely. Yes. >> But on some of the others, their resumes filled in those gaps like the LED and associates position. Sure. >> This one doesn't have that. And so I
just wanted to be >> Okay. >> Um >> if we're just missing if I was just missing some that's why he was on my media list and not on my short list. >> What is the city's instruction on completing the application? Um
>> I mean I've seen people terminated but >> as long as they completed the application I mean um you know put the information that were required um >> and he may not be working so I I I don't want to make any assumptions. Yeah
>> could well be. Yeah. Could be. Yeah. Same as the previous one. >> Yeah. >> I noticed he started working in 1980. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I like I like >> as far as detail attention to detail. This is one of those that his objective
is to be utility director for the town of Davy, >> right? Is a good point. >> What do we feel about Donn keep going through the twos then and discuss the twos? >> I I think we have stronger candidates,
but if it's the will of the commission to interview Mr. Donnelly, then I think going Put him on the maybe list. >> Put him on. >> Who's next? >> Two of us had number 28. >> You had 28. >> Yeah,
>> that was just going on. My list might be different, I guess. But we can do uh 20. You said 28. Had two. Who was it? I had uh >> me yourself as well, Robin. >> Yes. >> So, I'll list the good and the bad. My
recommendation because I'm trying to be very thoughtful about how we to to approach this. um great city manager experience, deputy secretary of state for Washington DC, interesting work experience authoring a chapter on
elected officials and city managers in a book that was published for local government management. So I think some very broad applications. Um my concern is and I appreciate the honesty on on her application. um recently terminated
for cause, but there is currently legal action that is pend according to what she wrote. Um so I think her experience is incredible. Um I just I don't know if that it certainly can't preclude her from
being invited to participate. Um but it is just considering what's happened in our city recently. I just want to be very thoughtful about >> and sensitive to everything. >> Yeah, I agree. And um I do have her because of all the city manager uh experience that she has. Um not
necessarily in Florida at all, but in your opinion and experience like well I guess first have you uh been on a screening or city manager or >> Oh yeah. Yeah. I've been multiple. So like in your experience when you see like the short tenures and and from what
I understand it's not abnormal I guess >> I think the average still was when I was in grad school and today it was about two years average tenure for city managers. With that said, >> with that said, Steuart has a long
history of being able to retain managers for a long dating back to the days of Ed, you know, Dave Collier and people like >> I have no problem putting this one as a baby, but for me, Florida was really important.
>> I agree. Yeah. I just I just thought her experience about her authoring certain things and >> um I just feel like that's probably conceptually a really great skill set. >> I'll write it down. Maybe that was
>> Don't believe we did Stanley off. Um, can we go in numerical order just for my books? >> Um, okay. So, if that was 28, you would look then Carl Gin >> be tab 32 and this was puppy.
>> Yes. >> Like the I know. Yeah. Um yeah, I look at the direct experience as city manager and the things that they've done >> and um the Florida experience definitely trump the other ones, but those that did
have considerable >> um direct experience I had >> and Mr. Captain was >> they were budget director as well >> director. Yeah, I I agree that the experience
while not in Florida is pretty amazing. Um the population size that they've supported has been close to what the city has. Um also their cover letter, Mr. Gin's cover letter, um specifically mentioned some
things that I just thought were very thoughtful. um talking about fiscal integrity and stability about the total budget that uh he oversaw and the protection of the St. Lucy River and I know that's one of the things that we're most concerned about as a community and
so I just wanted to acknowledge the letter that it was very well thought out very well >> and I think that's while no Florida experience I think that's what swayed me to put um Mr. def on my list
and he has a background in finance and HR. >> Dan, have you ever seen a city manager come from out of state like state of Florida? Like Russ Blackburn came in from Virginia
whenever he became county administrator. We had Florida experience prior to that over not sure. I think >> is it something like for um Okay. Okay. So, here here's one. Um
Peter Cheneying came from out of state with no Florida worked as assistant county administrator before becoming his name.
>> So he did all right. >> He did all right. >> I think we should keep Mr. Geffin on the maybe list for now. Um and then Unfortunately, I think of >> many that didn't. >> Bad examples right off the top of my head,
>> including one in the city of Stewart. >> Yeah, right. >> All right. So, I think I got them in. And then if I went, it'd be Stanley Hawthorne then. >> So, 44. >> Yep. Have 44. No, you have to be. That's why I wanted
to go in numerical order. So, at least it was just a couple seconds at the time. >> No, Rob. checked off. >> Yeah, it was on my maybe list, my backup.
>> So, for for me, for Mr. Hawthorne, um I appreciate that he has city manager and town manager experience that he does currently live in Florida. Um it looks like all of his experience has been in the state of Florida. So in any municipality in which he served at
varying levels, um he would at least be familiar with Florida politics and you know just kind of how to navigate things. Um I like that he has a government financial manager certification
and he has managed a variety of number of employees from it looks like very small municipalities to very large municipalities. So, I don't think coming in would be um a concern like culture shock coming into such a small town, but also, you know, be able to to handle the
the staff that's here. Um but I I liked his his resume overall. I thought it was very um I don't want to like with his exception of his one service with a corporation, most of his work has been municipality.
So, And I think this was like one of the the ones maybe the only one I noticed talking with Lee about it. College Park. >> There was there was quite a bit of uh city management college park.
They were all short. >> Some communities develop reputation. >> I've been to college. Yeah, >> I also noticed there were a lot of um military and Karen, maybe you can speak to this. There were a lot of military
applicants. >> Um and there were a lot of airport related employee applicants. Is that common? >> Um not really. Um I think because we had so many applications
um that we just ended up with a bunch of those. But >> Okay. Yeah. I just didn't know if that was hey your airport to be >> not really >> but I I liked Mr. um
Mr. Hawthorne's application >> think he would be a great candidate for consideration even if he slept on the What number was that, Robin? >> He's number 44. >> Cuz we're at We have the four
for the veterans and then we have Shane Corbin, Mark Matthysse, Chris Russo, and Chandler Williams. Those are definitely >> Well, is Mr. Hawthorne the last where there were two people?
>> Um, we had Larry Tibs as well, >> but he's a >> he's aut who are the definite in addition to the veterans. Can you name which ones are the veterans? Lee >> Glenn Adams number six, Michael Gardino
34, >> Jeremy Marshall 56, and Larry Tibids 80. And then I have you guys. Do you want me to go the ones who've already said yes? >> Yes, please. So, Matthysse
>> Russo >> and Williamson, >> Chandler Williamson. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Hi. >> And Shane Corbin. Yes. >> Okay. >> And then I have a few maybe here. >> Yeah. I think that's >> And I don't know you guys made a decision on Hawthorne whether it's a
maybe or not. >> Yeah, we put a maybe on Hawthor. So you got eight with uh three maybe four or four maybe there's one I thought I had on my list that that city manager experience
on my >> I have you mentioned Mendes Marshall, but Marshall is on the list for veterans reference. I had that you had mentioned Harold and Mendes >> number 62
>> identified I had and that was the only one for this one. This was Ricardo Mendes and the only reason I selected him was it was and it was short for the city manager position. That's why I was asking Dan like time like this might
have only here. >> I had Mr. Mendes on my 62 Dan >> 62. >> Yeah. So he's assistant city administrator to the city of West Palm from 520 to 321 >> but not he's one of the ones that I had
a concern with because no employment >> since 2021 >> and again that one >> I was wondering if maybe it was when they submit they left it off or
>> That's what I wasn't sure of because that was my only concern. I mean, this is a huge resume typed up, a lot of bullet, >> but I did note on the cover letter for um Mr. Mendes, Salvia um that he
the in his first paragraph, he notes very specifically where he has served within municipalities. um and even talks about his role as assistant city administrator, chief operating officer, chief administrative officer and completed the entire
protocol to become an ICM. So I I do appreciate um their uh their tenure in their positions, but again I wonder if it's one of those where the only the relevant um work history has been provided.
>> Yeah. But that was one of my >> any other that >> um >> I had Howard Brown um when he was number 13 and I believe he's the um CM in Indian
Town. >> He was the was >> I looked into that one as well saw if I did any due diligence or what? >> Yeah, if you did your own, you know, >> there was there was something about
Yeah, there was a PC Bomb news article something about a laptop being invite potentially with like public records on it and stuff. I saw that. I know he was he had found first manager four years.
>> Yeah, that was that was my concern that I >> Yeah, >> but I thought I thought his cover letter was really nicely worded. He's got great experience with the Martin County BOCC. Um the current role that he's in working
for um the company that he does to do consulting to be the interim city manager is needed in various municipalities. I think is really great. But um I I too saw that article. >> I wasn't sure why his address did >> he has code enforcement.
>> Yes. >> Yeah. Any anytime they have um anything new today >> under this I was like is he police officer? Is he protected voter? What's happening? >> That's what I look I mean I'm not
opposed to like adding this unless there's someone else. Well, >> that was just me. This one, so that's fine. Yeah, >> I won. >> It was just one. >> Yeah, one. We won't consider it.
>> Was that all the two? >> Yeah. >> What about Frell? I have a two. >> What was that? >> Barl was 28. Daryl Ben. Oh, he's on the maybe list. >> Um, >> wait, Dan, was yours failed?
>> Who? >> No, 28 was that was our Yes. >> Oh, yeah. We did get all the twos. >> All right. So, we know we have the four have the other four. I don't know if
you have one, two, four, maybe. Colin Donnelly >> Stanley Hawthorne 44 was a maybe 28 barrel was maybe 32 Carl
we're at >> Sham Robinson >> maybe >> and they want between eight and 12. So you could take all the maybe or you could take none of the may or some number in between >> and the 8 to 12 you know count
commission >> they want to interview that >> based on based on past >> a lot of them take jobs elsewhere >> oh yeah so you have too short of a list you might not have any >> yeah no I I actually had one of those
>> point yeah they all fell apart every one of them. >> Yes. So, we went back a second round and >> and now this is a recommend >> and you're making a recommendation in the city commission's meeting this afternoon and they're going to >> Oh, they are older. So, >> Oh, okay. >> We can we can do a baby.
>> Do the babies then? Push them to it. >> There's a couple. >> There's four babies. You could because they said they wanted 8 to 12 or or you could >> Yeah. If they're going to refine the list further. >> Yeah.
>> That would be 12 with the babies. >> Could we look at just one more? >> Yes. >> Um number 12, David Bridal. He was my one outlier that um is in Florida with no city manager experience. And I know that's kind of a
could go either way. >> Um but has project manager experience former city planner um has worked on crossf functional committees and groups and then again I'm not sure if
if that is and I will defer to Mr. Hudson especially, but um his experience is he's got a great depth of experience and breadth of experience, but no city manager experience. And I don't know if if that's a potential
detriment comparatively to the others whom we've selected um or if you in your experience find that somebody like this with this type of experience could come in and do a great job. >> It's always possible. You know there's a there was you know I remember a debate
early in my career you know does the person make the position or does the position make the >> distinct you know yeah it's definitely possible. So
what what is the comparable experience that >> I I'm not sure that there truly is comparable to being exclusively a a city manager or town town manager. Um just the and again I know you know like in companies you could be like the chief enthusiasm officer and
also the HR manager like there's there's different titles that are applicable to different things. So >> um >> what was it that you saw about >> it was more >> it was more the cross departmental um >> oh okay >> activity and then financial >> well but also within his role as
strategic project manager within the city of St. allowed. Um the cross functional working with the different groups, >> the development of initiatives to help make the city more robust. So I I I could see it again having not met him.
Um you can only trust what you read. So I was assuming positive intent like these were really great things for the city regardless. notice, >> right? So, I just didn't know somebody like that because if that's the case, then
I've got a couple more, but if not, >> I will respectfully, you know, we we're at a good number and I don't want to muddy it. So, >> we're at a pretty full list. That's yeah because a lot of those would be like you said you could literally look at it and say but we have so many
>> with direct city manager experience and that's the um yeah >> okay >> usually when that happen they're within the organization >> people see the value had a question I noticed
Some of them were not always but I would imagine that was just a generic >> they would assume correct they would assume that right it's implied I guess >> if they don't then >> they should have implied that they >> sure
>> I would like to maybe state something because I've personally applied for jobs you know within the municipality and counties and when I first applied for Port St. Lucy, it took me hours to put all the information in and then when I went to Martin County and then here I I didn't have to I just had to add on a
couple of things. But you see some errors in that. It's all on the computer saved like in the file. >> Yeah. >> So it might be you know they applied for a a job a year ago and their their information is saved in the system >> and I remember having to navigate that when I went between the three
municipalities locally. So um not not to be so critical of them on those mishaps I would say because you know you might have missed something going back through it but I remember it took me a lot of time the first time I applied for municipality then it was shorter but I
might have missed something tailoring it towards Martin County or city of Stewart but it was when I applied for I just thought I'd throw that out. Yeah, that's good to know. >> So on these babies have they have >> or someone that like works works off
like if you had a cl I think that is incomparable. gets close depending on the detail >> depending on >> I don't know if I saw any >> um >> I didn't I don't remember
there's there were a lot of like direct department directors >> and in your experience band like have like department directors that have their manage out like if someone's ever stepped Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a good good potential
because especially if they've been with the organization for a long time, they know the workings of the organization. That's a plus. >> Never applied for it. >> Exactly. >> Someone was in >> next step up the ladder. Yeah. >> Correct.
>> Sometimes they work closely to the city with city manager as well. Would we consider somebody who was an assistant to the city manager? >> Sure. >> Yes. Um, if that's the case, then number 29, uh, Christopher Fior, >> the wording say the
>> assistant to see. >> Okay, that has a little bit different meaning, >> right? >> City manager world. >> Okay. >> The two in there means you're probably not direct oversight of human, >> right? Um, so currently, Mr. Fiori is
currently the chief communications officer for a school district um, in Georgia. no Florida experience, which I agree is a potential limitation. >> This is 29. >> 29. Yeah. Um but also uh
and this is why I was considering um his parents recently moved to Stewart, so at least he's visited Stewart, I'm assuming. >> Yeah. And then again, I'm a big fan of cover letters.
Um, so the correlations that he was able to draw between his current or previous experience and what we're looking for as far as our job description >> on page one, the four bullets. But then I also, he was the only one that I saw
that included a timeline of how he would proceed the first 30, 60, 90 days. >> Um, which I thought was just thoughtful. And I thought if somebody's going to take the time to do that regardless of their
>> the only one. Yeah. And so I just that was one of my may that if we were going to take an outlier of traditional experience that this would be my recommendation based on the general experience that Mr.
>> He's obviously a >> Yeah, I saw the reporter. Yeah. Well, yeah. He's his background. >> So, >> so how important is that to the city at >> how important is the communication >> priority? I think someone that's
>> definitely. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, that was that was the one outlier. Like, anytime I do an a scholarship review or job review, there's always one that I like to pick that's kind of like a not a wild card, but just somebody who just reads like they have great potential.
>> Um, and so that would that would be the one outlier, but again, it's the will of I'm I'm certainly Totally agree. >> And we have a lot of candidates with Florida.
>> But those were those were my only >> other? >> No. But didn't did Thomas have two or was Thomas only >> Yeah, I had Thomas. Um he had experience um but it was like various states but he had about seven years manager city
manager experience >> Florida. >> No there were all out of states. I saw one tension. >> It was all over. >> I don't know. We're still at the eight for sure. And we have four.
Um, can we look at Tibs because I we haven't really talked about >> he's already he's already a veteran preference. So, he's going to move forward to the interview process. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, the veterans are number six. >> Yeah. No, I I have them. Yeah. >> Mhm.
>> You want to look at it? >> Well, it doesn't matter. >> Yeah. >> I marked them. >> Yeah. So, maybe we do the the 12. That's what I'm thinking. Four maybe. You want me to read >> the definite? >> You can. Yeah.
>> It's part of your discussion. >> So the four maybe we had was cab 25 Colin Donnelly cab 44 Stanley Hawthorne 28 was Artha Frell maybe 32 was Carl.
Those four that I >> What was the topic? was the top and tab number >> uh 35 >> maybe. >> Yeah. And mine are all in different orders. >> I had a 62 62. I had maybe was that
>> um >> that was mine but I I don't think the committee >> Oh, I had him the maybe >> Yeah. because he had finance but it was a it was like a year I think for city manager I think he
>> oh he was the one um whose last >> yeah 2021 >> well I don't know if it's missing but noted employment was 2021 >> what are you doing >> that could be a maybe and then you're getting clarification >> right I mean you when you do the background and the interview process
what have you been doing since But I will say like I was saying I I applied for Port St. Lucy like you know eight years ago or whatnot and then it four or five years later I applied for Martin County and it was all saved when you apply for government jobs they
keep it all in the system and you have to log back in and update it and maybe they uh didn't update the employment. That's why I'm mentioning it to you that it >> like maybe they applied but it wasn't >> right or if it was two years they didn't update what they've been doing the last
two years. >> Gotcha. >> in the system. Um I'm just >> Yeah. >> trying to give you guys an appreciation of >> Well, to that point, there were some that were out of order as far as their dates go. So, it's like they work till
2019 and then there's the more current below it. >> So, to your point, I could see how that would get potentially confusing. Yeah. >> And and it's not a program you're you're used to using every day, right? I remember being frustrated a couple times. So,
but I've done it I guess three times now. >> Yeah. I I did like Mr. Mendes's um experience and I did I did note on his like I said on his cover letter about his completing the protocol for his
ICMACM. Um, so if he's able to ex explain the gap, if that is something that needs explaining, if he were to be considered, I think his experience, >> yeah, he's been like a director,
>> he's number 62, I >> believe it was a city administrator as well. >> Yeah. >> But I thought it was nice having >> agreed five years. Does he have a resume that explains that?
>> Well, it stops and I think >> maybe it's not been working since >> right >> or like M. Cartwright said it could have been he's working at some other industry. >> Now, now if this maybe went to the
regular city board this between yeah between that and the interview process. All you're doing is at this stage you're recommending to the city commission to consider these candidates. >> They will consider these candidates. They might want someone else.
>> Yeah. Or may not want your babies. So >> and you'll be part of that process >> and then we'll move to the next stage. We'll be scheduling interviews. So you're just you're selecting people you want to interview. If there's a lot of information that you like and there's just gaps, then that would be something
during the interview process to to vet out. I wouldn't but then you'd have to remove one of your may because you'd be over the 12. So >> right now we have four
>> four Mayies >> and and he would be number five. Well, are we going to submit all four? I guess >> the recommendation was up through 12 because it's so many and it it's you know it's a process.
>> It's your board if you want to do 13. >> Well, it's >> well I had set aside Mendez and Donnelly and Haw. I didn't put them on my list. >> I had them pulled out. >> I had babies.
>> They had the babies. >> The other two did. >> Yeah. >> Again, it's just recommendations. We can pass him on as a maybe and then let the let the rest of the process happen. >> Just a >> Yeah, I if if we could keep the 13th, I
think that would be helpful. just because of attrition, I think you are inevitably going to lose candidates regardless. And so I I you certainly don't want there to not be the depth of potential candidates to interview. Um and if you start with the first eight and those eight are amazing and the
commission's in agreement, nobody even if somebody else brought in, you still have those to consider. >> But I think the eight that were that we all agreed on, I think are amazing candidates that offer a lot to the city should they be chosen.
Just for my own confirmation, the definitive five may then everyone. Five babies by Adam >> Mendes are all >> Yeah, >> fine with me.
>> All the discussion. >> Yes. >> That's it. >> All right. >> Well, we probably should do a motion. >> Motion. Okay. So, you want to All right. So, we're looking for a motion then for You want me to list >> But you're the chair, so you can't >> I can't make a motion. But I
>> I'll ask for a motion. >> I'll make the motion that we accept the four candidates who have the veterans preference. Number six, Mr. Adams. Number 34, Mr. Jardino. Mr. 5 Number 56, Mr. Marshall. Number 80, Mr. Tibs. And
then add to that definite list number 58, Mr. Matthysse. Number 73, Mr. Russo. Number 83, Mr. Williamson, and or Mr. Chandler, excuse me. um and number 19 Mr. Corbin with five potential
alternates for consideration depending on how the first round goes of being number 28 Carol Benitas 32 Gkin 44 Hawthorne and 25 Donnelly finishing up with number 62 Mendes.
>> All right, Suz Roll call. >> Committee member Hudson. >> Yes. Committee member Chambers Cuffy. Committee member Cartright. >> Yes. >> And Vice Mayor Reed. >> Yes. There's no problem. >> All right. All right. You'll have that on.
>> All right. >> Yes. All right. Seeing no further discussion, I'll adjourn this meeting. Thank you everyone