All right. I will hereby call to order this regularly scheduled meeting of the Sunderland Select Board. The time is 6:33 p.m. Right. Our first order of business um would normally be to approve the minutes, but those are not available at the time. So, we will approve those in
our next meeting. Um next up is a review of the Alcohol Beverage Control Commission's um new legislation on all alcoholic beverage licenses. So, um I'm bringing this to the select
board today because it's a option of the select board whether or not to decide to um vote to have the changes apply in your community. Um so, it's a matter you want to discuss and think through. Um,
but if you do vote, I I am still at this point uncertain whether it's discretionary or if it becomes automatic that anybody who holds the the wine and
malt beverages license can get a pole license. I'm not and that's my biggest concern. I need to understand better whether the select board has discretion on who makes that change or if you make the vote. Anybody with a malt license
can have a full license. >> I would definitely want to know the answer to that. Also, um because it's fairly irre irreversible once you give them the higher license. It's we're not going to turn around two years and be able to just say we change our mind. We like to pay that back. nor do I want to
remove the pattern control over who does and doesn't get that by making some sort of blanket statement. Um so yeah, let's all have a chance to think about that a little bit. I also want to make sure that Dan has a chance to be um part of that conversation, but this doesn't seem like the kind of thing that two out of
three members should make on our own. Um and we're not in a time rush, so let's make sure we give them plenty of time to address them up to speed and whatnot. Um so and I also if you could find out for our next meeting how many of each we
have um that would be good information for us to have in terms of um you know what the kind of spread we'll be looking at. Um in an ideal circumstance we would maintain a select board's perview on that in a way where people with the
lower license can come in and ask for it and give their reasoning behind their wanting to do so. and the the board will take the capability of that argument on a case by case basis. >> Yeah. >> And then it does say something about you
can charge a reasonable fee that shall not ex be excessive. A reasonable fee that shall not be be excessive is I've heard in some cities they'll charge like $100,000 for a liquor license. So
that's one of the questions I would have would be what what would these people pay originally? Like if you have two people, one of them had the the the one, one of them had the full, did one person pay a,000 originally, they're basically pay two? Did they pay the same amount originally? Is there a difference there?
Um at a minimum, I would think it would be fair, equitable to charge the difference to upgrade if there is such a difference. Minimum. Um, >> I just really hate these open-ended charge a reasonable fee that shall not be excessive.
>> I mean, if you you want to get a >> what does that mean? >> A pond license in in Las Vegas, you're going to be out $10 million or something like that. So, what is reasonable? I guess it's reasonable is depending on the town you're in and the circumstances and what people are willing to pay. Um, so yeah, I also not a huge fan of that.
I would much rather it say something along the lines of guidelines like no more than 500% of the original. >> Yeah. Not to exceed the amount of a full record. >> Exactly. Whatever. >> Yeah. >> So, but given that it's a little edited. Um let's let's try to see if you can
base that off of Yeah. what those prices originally. Then does that my other question and again because I just does it change the type of insurance they need >> you know I mean is there a different
>> insurance probably steps it up a bit I mean >> um yeah with a full liquor license there's potential for more hazardous driving. I don't know. >> I guess another question I have is and I'm this will probably portray how this
process currently work too. >> Um if if I was to open a bar next week or have plans of opening a bar or find a location to come to the town and say, "Hey, like a list your liquor license. Does the town currently have a mechanism to approve new liquor licenses? I was sort of under the impression that most of the time liquor licenses are kind of
a there's X number in the town. If you want one, you get one from somebody who had one currently or whatnot. And maybe I'm wrong about that, but I would like to know kind of more about how that works partially so that I understand the process in general and to help make more informed decision, but also in terms of if we are let's say we are stuck with
having five of each type. If we're saying we're going to change those five into 10 of the other type and that's just what we have and that's going to always be what we have. What happens down the line if of the per store closes a corner store wants a beard and wine one. Are we able to make the change back
or are we able to to remove one of these and add one of these? I I would just like to know more about how those processes work. >> Okay. >> Um so and any information you can help with would be great on that. >> Okay. Not to put too much on your shoulders there, but
anything else on that one? All right. So, we will uh I'll take a chance to think about that a little bit and we will come back with more information and make a more informed decision. All right. Next up is the Council on Aging Appointment. >> Um this is where I have not yet heard
back from Maryanne. Mhm. >> I have an indication from her son that it's likely to be no, but I rather hear I I'll call her and make sure. >> Okay. >> All right. What's our plan B if the answer could be is no there. I mean,
>> um then we'll look for other members. >> Okay. Cool. Great. Any questions on that one? Thank you for the update there. All right. All right. Next up is um we have received our assessor admin's letter of resignation. Um is there any anything
you need us to do on that end or just more information? >> It'sformational. Um but just to let you know uh we have an ad that's been updated from last year's uh submitt with a new software that's being used and a
reference to salary. Um that'll go out tomorrow. Um, we'll also put it I'll post it on the state assessor organization's website and then um I'll make inquiries to our neighboring towns
and and get them notices in case they have people that might be part-time that might um entertain taking on more work. >> Wonderful. And then I um I'm going to talk to a couple of assessors I know, two or three three and see if they have
any interest in part-time. >> Okay. >> Part-time work. Um see if we can because we're kind of up against it. Uh we want to start working on the recap in a couple of weeks. >> Yep. >> So, >> and this affects our ability to certify
free cash and things like that down the line as well. >> Not to certify, but >> but the recap. >> The recap. >> Yes. I just want to make sure I have Okay, great. Thank you. >> Um, all right. Was that resignation letter to us? >> I put it in the packet.
>> The SharePoint. >> Oh, >> she handed me a a printed copy, so I put in the >> Got it. >> Um, great. Thank you very much for >> Thank you very much for the update on that. Um, sounds like you have it well under hand. Obviously, if you need
anything from the board, um, it whatever. Yes, I will definitely come because it's um potentially >> we could get two different very different type of applicants. If they have experience, it fits pretty much the
job description we have. There's also a job description for a clerk. Um and then we'd have to figure out how we make that work. uh we would need additional uh upper level guidance uh from a very
experienced assessor. So we there'll be more to come as hopefully quickly. >> All right. Um obviously keep us updated on that, but it sounds like we have it all over. Was there anything you want to go over? >> No. Um, next up is one of our more fun
things we get to do, which is the uh we're we in town have a cane given to us by the Boston Post. Um, we're given to the oldest resident of each town in Massachusetts by the Boston Post. We are one of the few towns who still actually has our cane and knows where it is, which is lovely. Um and so um pursuant
to that we um whenever there's a new oldest member of town we like to set up a time to go and meet with them um to give them executive can um and make a little ceremony or whatnot. So um I see you have here a tenative date of August 22nd. Is that
>> if that still works for you all? Um >> Friday. Yeah, >> it is a Friday. Um Nelly's available that day. her daughter Susan. I just met her son um by accident this afternoon and he's very excited about it. He'll be
there as well. >> And we'll bring the cane and um do a presentation. >> Wonderful. Do you have an idea of what time of day that would be? >> Five o'clock. >> Perfect. >> Is that perfect? >> Good. >> That mean I don't have to take time off work, so that's even better. >> Yeah.
>> All right. Wonderful. Yeah. Um for me, that sounds great. Crystal, that sounds like you had already heard that date. Yeah, we had talked about being one of these Fridays, the 18th to the 22nd, but again was going to be away. >> Okay. >> So, >> great. So, sounds like
>> 5 p.m. is >> and address is 324 Russo Street. >> Yes. So, there's a pin and stuff we give people if you have >> I got the pin, but that's I that's all I have. >> Okay.
>> I'll try to put together the story about the cane. I haven't come across a copy, but I know Lever has a nice one. >> Okay. Yeah, because it was originally only given to the oldest man and then they they did change it at some point.
>> You might might talk to this historical society. Okay, great idea. >> Mike will start this >> mic. >> Yeah. >> Okay, >> cool. So, sounds like we have um
consensus on the date. So, that's great. So, we will do that. Um please send our thanks for them for being able to do that and I look forward to that as I said, that's one of the the fun parts of this job. >> All right. Um last on our new business is the South County Senior Center update.
So, as you all are aware, there's um live interest in the Warner building on um on 116 Emmer Road. There was a an additional meeting last Thursday at the South County seniors. Um, Jennifer was
working on making sure that all all the towns had com were able to come up with the different funding sources that they need to uh have EDP EDM continue and get um the requirements determine the
requirements that they will need to turn it into a senior center. Um they're hopeful to have that. Um all the everyone I think Deerfield is still uncertain where their money's coming from. Um I think they're looking for
$3,000. Uh we were looking for 550. So I'm not I'm getting more details from Jen on who's giving what. Um the senior center they want to have under lease as soon as
possible in January of February. That's what the Warers are asking for. So they're shooting for they would like to have a special town meeting. Um Deerfield was open to having a special town meeting early October or
midocctober. um Weightley was uncertain and I mentioned that um that Sunderland was uncertain that typically we don't have um special town meetings. This seems to
be a pretty critical one for the senior center. Their plan is to move ahead with EDM, get them going as soon as possible. Um they're hoping to have their work done by the end of September so that
they can hold public meetings starting in October. They want to have three a large meeting at Frontier for all the towns and then two smaller daytime meetings um probably in Sunderland and
Whitley. Um so they're trying to get all the information they need. There's still a lot outstanding. Um and then they referred to again hopes that as soon as EDM is done, the lease committee can go through what is needed.
Um I think there's an update on the elevator that it might be it passes the state requirement 4T x 4T 48x 48 in and I think it's 51 by 48 in. So, that was
good news, but it's still not very large. It can't move many people upstairs um at one time. So, there's a lot to be considered and as um Lauren has been asked to be on the lease
committee and she's been paying attention but hasn't heard anything um the last week or so. >> So, make sure we're talking about a couple. The first one being we need some money right now for doing the study stuff that we need to do to to make sure
that it's good. So that's the couple hundred for us >> 550 >> and that the 3,000 the deer delivery. So that's that's number one and >> then it's a total of 10,000. >> Okay. Okay. Um that one we need to figure out where that money from. >> We already did last at the meeting you.
>> So that's right. They're going to take it from the select board budget line, which that select board budget line is typically us going to the conference. >> Yeah, we usually end up having money left over there. So, >> so it's 550 bucks, which you know,
>> no, >> that comes up in January and if I have to, I won't get a hotel for, you know what I mean? We can >> But yeah, >> we'll make that. I know but I'm just saying we can we can >> and if you end up not going to the conference one year in order for first
year to go against a senior center well that's a a sacrifice that all of us I'm sure are more willing to make. >> So that's the first part. Thank you for letting me know that. The second part is then um the lease itself which is going to be however much per month and that we're going to have a special kind of
meeting for potentially this fall as that. And then the third piece as far as I see it is that going to the renovations on the building. >> Yes. >> Is two and three going to be one special time meeting asking for this much money for the >> I would imagine stuff. Okay.
>> Yeah. Because the lease won't do us any good if we don't make if the renovations aren't done. >> Yeah. Oh, so we're paying for the renovation. >> Well, that's what's not determined yet. >> Oh, okay. Because I guess do you know, Lauren? I thought that >> I don't think it's known. I don't think
anyone knows what, but the scope is um >> for some reason. >> I've not been asked to be on the um on the lease committee. I would like to be in other meetings with EDM so that we sure that we uh my background would be useful to be
sure that we get the information that we need you know to make the >> and I don't know if the lease committee will meet with them separately but I know with this tight budget of $10 there was only going to be one meeting with EDM >> with that
>> yes >> that would be at um uh border overseers meeting I guess or whatever >> board of oversight >> board of oversight meeting so I'll make sure that you know when it is but it they might meet you might meet with them
separately ahead of time because that's not planned to be until the end >> or I mean otherwise I'll put my you know my questions in writing that we need to do it that way >> I would think that if you're going to go to special town meeting yes we need to
know what is the total cost >> how is it going Right. And that's why it almost seems like an October special town meeting is too early. >> It would be remarkable to have it all. But if EDM completes their work by the
end of September, >> right? But you've got to get notice for the special town meeting. We've got Do we Do we have money for a special town meeting? >> Uh Wendy said it'll be $1,000. >> Okay. All right. for from her side of
it. Um, we have to send out postcards. So, I have to ask Mel. That's probably another few hundred. I think it was under 500. >> Okay. >> But it'll be the same thing as annual town meeting, >> right? >> And then we need the sound system.
That'll be another 550. So, it's like $2,000. And we have to schedule the school. So I I would say if we were going to do a sort of town meeting and I want to do it last minute but second half of
November maybe. >> Yes. >> That's that's that's as soon as we're going to be prepared for that being then um >> if they want if they want it for January 1. I don't want to get too close to the holiday season because then it just
becomes impossible to get everyone. >> Yeah. You're already once you start in November with Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, you're already looking at >> unfortunately holiday weekends. >> Yeah. >> Um I mean
I would love to be able to have a timing so that you don't have to have a special town meeting and all this gets settled up through the spring and goes into effect July 1st like everything else in town does and it's all worse out. I don't know that that's going to happen. >> The waters the will not hold the
building open in the extra six months. >> So, >> they have other people interested. Um, so I guess that was partially why I asked about whether we're going to have the lease and the renovations being together
because while I wouldn't want to pay for months and months and months of the building just sitting there, it may be that we can make it work to get the piece signed faster than you can get them in place for their renovations. >> Yeah.
>> Very likely. to like walk in, get in the building and then also have like sign a lease for January 1st with them and then have more time for the for the people where they do the give us the the final bids and everything like that for all that stuff
to shake out and then start start restructuring. >> But that also leaves a lot of potential for a number larger than the public was made aware of. >> Yeah. And then we're locking into the lease without having all the information, right?
>> We got to be really careful. >> And that's also because yeah, we can't just not have everyone that >> nothing's ever. Um, so yeah, let's >> I'm afraid this is a to hit the
timelines that have been set by Warner and and uh yeah, I I think they're the one driving the timeline, >> unfortunately. And unless they can back off that timeline, a special town meeting and and a lot of work done in a
hurry, I'm afraid, is what we're looking at. Um well, let's stream ahead as fast as we can. Um hopefully we can get as much of the information as possible as soon as possible. Um hopefully by October we
had the information so that come middle of November when we scheduled time meeting we have what we need. Um >> yeah, because they have to do the the community meetings first and they can't do those to the information set only.
>> Yeah. So I don't know if it's a pipe dream thinking we can do that in October. I don't know. >> But they are being they are trying to be careful and do a lot of planning but it's it's a lot to do in a short time.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. Um it'll be what it is. We will do our best and hopefully it'll work out. um when we would need 8 weeks maybe before time a special town meeting to to announce it something like >> um I think we only need two
>> really that's nice um I would want to give more week more time if possible >> but okay >> yeah I think the posting requirement is two weeks >> okay so in theory we could wait until October or sometime to to
make a final determination and Yeah, that one hopefully. >> And I told that because I I think we potentially will want our free cash certified >> um before we have the meeting potentially because we might need it. Um
so I told her probably I told them probably not till the second half of November at the earliest. And unlike Deerfield, did I already mention this? They've already certified their free cash. It's August 11th. It's just I never heard of a town doing it
that fast. That's a miracle. But I guess they have they have things to do. >> All right. Um obviously keep us up to date on how that's going. Um hopefully we'll get a free pass by ourselves unless sooner things than later. Um
great. Anything else you wanted to ask on that one? >> No. >> All righty. That concludes our new business today. Uh we do not have anything under old business um nor correspondence public comments or anything. Did you have anything you
wanted to say? >> I was just I didn't know what was going on with the senior service. I thought I just kind of >> I assume so but didn't want to be. >> All right. Um in that case I think we are ready to adjourn. >> Can we just do a couple
>> police spaced by that? That's okay. >> Um, let's do select court updates first. I don't have anything this week, Crystal. >> Um, just South County EMS. Um, we received a resignation from Tim Drumull who has been at South County EMS since
its inception. Yeah. >> So, you know, he's and he actually grew up here in Sun, you know, he grew up locally here. So, you know, in this area. So, that's going to be a big loss to them. but he's going to Northfield to
help start up their new ambulance service. >> You know, it's it's a great opportunity for him, but he's we're we'll feel the losses of having, >> but other than that, I'm good.
>> Thank you very much. Rapids. >> I wanted to share with you um that one of our firefighters um Matthew Morren has been asked by the state um the regional marine rescue and recovery team
to join them as a diver. um that the fire chief had brought this to the select board for signing, but there's no um place for the select board to sign, but I I still wanted to share this with
you because it's >> it's great they're asking him. >> This wouldn't affect or this wouldn't have a large effect on being a part of our fire department. This would be they they potentially could be called if there was an emergency on their Okay. I just want to make sure I can do it. I
mean, >> great. You know, we need more divers. We need more rescue personnel. That sounds wonderful if he's able to fill in the role that the state desperately needs, right? >> Um I just want to make sure that again we're thinking of, you know, our fire department and as long as there's no
negative impact, I don't see any reason why that would be great. >> Yeah. >> Um so since we don't have anywhere to sign, we won't do so. But >> but you are aware of it. >> Somebody asked. And then the last thing um
and I probably uh need the last thing I just want to mention was the regional dog shelter services that you have signed. >> Yep. Yep. Um thank you for the update on that. Um just for folks might be listening um we have a contract with the Franklin County Sheriff's Department and
the Franklin County Jail that have their dog shelter there to have a cooperation between us and them. And there's a a fee involved in that that we pay per year. And that's what this is. Wonderful. Um actually on that note, take a second. Um I just wanted to um acknowledge that um
both our fire department and police department in town were involved in a rescue recently. Um, and just want to send my appreciation to both the police department and fire department as well as the mutual aid who arrived and the flight and all the stuff that was
involved in that EMS um, airfield fire and everyone else. Um, when I have stuff works the way it works and people, you know, why affected is really wonderful to hold. So, I want to send my thanks to both chiefs and all of the other departments and all of
>> Thank you very much. No, it was um there were sirens going off like crazy that day. >> So, thank goodness they they saved another life. >> Exactly. All right. Um anything else before we adjourn? At this time, I would
entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> A motion we adjourn. >> All right. We have a motion made and I will second it to Yeah. No, that's good. >> And I will second that one to adjurnn. Uh, all those in favor? >> I >> I