--------- all right good evening everyone thank you for being here um I'm going to call the meeting to order Mauricio commissioner Cent commissioner Joseph here commissioner viscara yes here vice mayor Lama here mayor fetchin
here all members present great thank you um we're going to start with the Pledge of Allegiance um former mayor cup if you would lead us in the pledge please everyone can stand I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible liberty and justice for all thank you thank you um we're supposed to have invocation but um I Baron's not here um I I was
going to do this anyways before we start the meeting um for for many in our community that this was a particularly hard day um four hostages four hostage bodies were um recovered in Israel um
Sherry bibas 33 Ariel bibus 4 fear bius 9 months and noad LIF 84 I would just like to have a moment of silence and um recognizing this yes and will never forget thank
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the city commission thank you for your cooperation and understanding great okay before we uh go to the order of business uh we have some additions but I um want to just uh Echo the
message that we just heard uh we are here run by Robert's rules in addition to our own u rules of decor and Behavior Uh our January meeting uh was somewhat chaotic um that's not going to happen at this meeting we're we're going to do this order ly because we have some loose
ends that we should tie up um towards the end of the meeting we had uh a motion and a second made which was to censure me however because of all of the noise there was no vote so although because of some of this confusion and um Mr city clerk please correct me if I'm
wrong it's not technically uh unfinished business uh so I'm bringing it back um as an add add-on item so that we can finish this up in an orderly um fashion um and then with that I'm also
um adding 9M for um commissioner viscara who requested this at our workshop and 9 L is being deferred that's correct mayor okay yes thank you so I have a question so the bringing back of the unfinished business
that is going to be in what order it's going to be in the order of of it being an addition so it would be towards the end towards after where we have our motions so is there a number to it so that someone that's a very good question what number should we be yes it'll be
included under Section 10 which is motions okay so right after the resolutions I was actually thinking that because it was unfinished business but actually it has to come back as a new motion and the mayor has now made the
motion I believe that that should be taken up at the beginning of the meeting rather than at the end okay well based on the way that we normally function is that I'm putting it where it would have been if we did it correctly so because
it is being it's an addition not an unfinished business if it was unfinished business it would be something different however the point of it is is to allow as much public comment and as much participation from the public but also not to have to have the rest of the people that have items on the published
agenda have to wait but but then you're also but that's fine causing the people who are here specifically for the unfinished business to wait until the end I either way it's this is what I am making a recommendation of if you are saying you would like it at the end then
it's based on what the commission says however I mean rather in the beginning I feel it should be at the end so that we can go to our agenda items that we have published and that people expect to be heard on first so with that the in anyone in the commission do you have any any sort of
uh issue with it being put at the T at the uh item 10 no I would I would like to see it as the first order of business okay so we're leaving it as after resolutions correct either way I'm I'm okay but we
have to decide because right now we're setting our order of business so we're adding 9M we're deferring 9 L I'm making a motion to add to 10 I'm okay leaving that at the end okay yeah just for consideration of everybody else
here I agree okay leave it at the end all right okay okay all right mayor so we just need a motion to approve the changes to the agenda I need a motion please so moved second second okay all
in favor I I okay thank you um okay so the next agenda item is zoning and I will read the introductory statement uh ladies and gentlemen this evening's agenda has one zoning
application in these matters the commission sits in a quasa judicial capacity the decision of whether or not to approve a zoning variance is not a popularity contest but most be based upon substantial competent evidence that is that is presented tonight if you
intend to provide testimony on any zoning application you must be sworn in by the city clerk and you should also fill out a public speaker card and give it to the city clerk before the item is called we will first hear from City staff and then from the applicant after this the mayor will allow anyone from
the audience who has been sworn and to provide testimony the zoning applicant has the right to cross-examine any witness for rebuttal please make your comments concise with that I will read the Preamble in accordance with the ldrs of
the city Commission of the city of sanal beach all items to be heard today have been legally advertised in the newspapers notices have been mailed and posted on the properties all persons wishing to speak at this hearing please raise your right arm to be sworn in applicant you s say when you're about
to give is the truth the hold truth and just for this item truth so help you got thank you okay and before we continue are there any expor Communications that need to be disclosed any member of the commission no yes no yes and the
contents of the conversation just that it's going to be on the agenda got anyone else nobody okay thank you and if if if I may please I neglected to um to point out that we have the former mayor UB in the audience
former vice mayor Lu Taylor and we also have commissioner uh Annabelle liab from Hollandale Beach thank you sorry go ahead thank you okay good evening mayor vice mayor and Commissioners um this is application pz
20253 which is a site plan modification to the Estates at aqualina off-site parking garage project um the applicant is the developer and the current owner A3 Development LLC and A3 Atlantic Boulevard
LLC uh the project is located at 17941 Atlantic boulard which is adjacent to uh Government Center directly to the south of us and the applicant's request is to eliminate the condition of approval in City commission resolution 21z 1883 and
my quicker is not working there we go okay and the applicants request is to eliminate the condition of approval in City commission resolution 21z 1883 to underground all utility lines adjacent to the project uh for a bit of
background and a little bit of History the Estates at aqualina off-site parking garage project was originally approved by the city Commission in 2020 and then it was modified again in 2021 the project received its initial temporary certificate of occupancy in January
2024 and has since completed construction and satisfied all inspections and conditions of approval except for the undergrounding of the overhead utility lines or under overhead power lines um essentially the site plan modification before you this evening
will allow the utility lines to the East and to the west of the project site to remain and I do have some photos so this is a picture um to the east of the site so between the parking garage and the gas station these are the overhead power lines that would
remain and this is a picture along Atlanta Boulevard to the west of the project that shows the power lines that would remain um the applicant has advocated for the undergrounding with FPL alongside the city um to the best of their ability however the undergrounding
of these particular lines is dependent on Pro on work throughout the corridor and there is nothing further that the applicant can do to make the undergrounding happen faster this is the final item to address before the issuance of the final seal so staff has compiled filed the relevant facts and
the requested site plan modification is presented to the city commission and I'll be available if you have any questions thank you do we have any public speakers no ma'am okay does the applicant want to say anything good evening good evening honorable Commissioners honorable mayor
uh my name is Jerry Campos I'm here on behalf of the applicant A3 development A3 Atlantic uh I think Amy did a pretty great job presenting the issue concise um the park the parking garage is directly in front of us I think all of you are very familiar with it um just to
expand a little bit on what Amy said um in terms of the conditions on the site plan uh We've satisfied all conditions including you know providing uh Landscaping uh lighting to beautify the area a walkable path the easement that connects Collins Avenue to Atlantic
Boulevard that many residents and children use on a daily basis um we've also included an antenna easement uh on the roof rooftop of that garage to provide the city with communication needs we've provided bus shelter eement on Atlantic Boulevard uh accommodating
commuter accommodations and beautifying the area as well so uh like Amy said really we've been working with been trying to work with f for over a year um to get this project completed uh we installed uh multiple conduits
underground to prepare the area to get the power lines underneath and charged um and it's just been uh we've reached a a precipice where FPL really doesn't have a completion date for us and you know our CEO is dependent on it it's really outside of our control
uh we're still committed to assisting the city in any way possible that we can and supporting these efforts um but we think that our Co is being um really it should be decoupled from this process um with that said you know if uh happy to answer any questions that the commission
or the mayor may have in connection with this uh request okay commissioner ston okay who has to pay for the underground as of the conditions of right now the conditions right now are silent as to payment from the applicant um so there is no condition of payment
so you guys are not the one that had the financial burden of putting we we had the financial burden we did pay for the improvements of the conduits the digging up that were installed that have been installed it's ready there's that youan spare uh spare conduits that FPL
recommended and wanted so we already paid for those improvements okay but if you if this would have passed so it will be kind of a financial relief for the applicant because now who will have to pay for that will be the city basically when FPL is ready for the underground to
continue now we are the one who have to putot the bill am I correct Mr city manager go ahead there there was no condition of payment in the approval of the site plan so even if it occurred in in a timely fashion they were not required to pay so
who so right now we don't know who has to pay for it you are going to pay for it anyway regardless okay so there is no financial burden for the applicant by then getting out of this condition no because there was no there's no for some reason there was no Financial condition put in the actual approval of the
project where they had to pay for it okay but what it says here is that they are the one who has to do the underground they had to have the underground done correct by fpnl but there was no requirement they actually pay for it okay but if that is a condition it should be like imply who
has to do it you know so which is which is part of my question you know uh it affect the city because now for sure we have to pay for it maybe before it was in there but now we have to pay for it and um and I understand that you want to have the certificate of of occupancy uh
but it's a parking garage so there is nobody living there anyway and we have several buildings on the east side of the still of the city I Muse doesn't have the certificate of occupancy just yet uh where is that hundreds of people leaving uh so I understand that you want
to finish it and and close that chapter um I just don't see ER the need for this to be honest you know maybe they see in a different way I do see that it is not good for the city to get into this there
were conditions agreed upon I don't like when those conditions then they change over time which means and give also the impression for the future that okay we can agree at the very beginning because we want the permit and later on we can just change those conditions and agreements uh I don't think that said a
good precedent you know I have three children if I set the rotes for one it has to be for everybody and I need to be consistent and today in the first meeting we talk a lot about consistency and I don't think this is consistent what we we have to do uh I never spoke about this with anybody uh but I read
everything and for the presentation application Etc I don't see the need for this okay all right Joseph yes okay so I have a question so the problem here is that FPL just doesn't have the manpower
to complete the project at this time we in part correct uh in our experience when we've been dealing with FPL from the beginning when we installed the conduits underline um they ran into a standstill they had a lot of turnover there were a lot of uh events in the State of Florida that
required their Manpower and allocated their resources elsewhere um and you know over the last six months we've been trying to accelerate them to get this project completed and it's just there's no there's no end in sight okay so let me make it easy for you because this is
the same situation as Golden Shores so Stan why isn't I am I coming in and completing this project go ahead Mr manager that there's different phases of the
project and fpnl cannot like the gentleman was explaining give us any kind of definitive time frame for that so they the the other item on the agenda where we're uh suggesting a contract with IM is for different connections
throughout the city that will assist with Golden Shores this is something completely separate yes I understand but to the point we cannot get any kind of definitive time frame from fpnl on when thisr no I understand my understanding
is that fpnl has to do this work what the nature of the work my understanding is the nature of the work that needs to be done here fpnl has to do the work yeah but they're not here to answer wait wait wait wait wait wait we're we're going to keep order so one person at a time and please wait until I
recognize you so okay commissioner Joseph you have the floor please go ahead so the work that needs to be completed here is different than the other grounding work in Golden Shores it seems to me that it's probably very similar it's similar but it is different
yes the work that we're proposing with IM am is different connections not related to this and there's also phasing for the project from fpnl that they cannot give us any definitive time frame on this that's the
issue respectfully if I may I think the work that you're referring to with IM is work that we already performed on our site right they're going to run conduits to make the connections and then FPL at some point will have to run those conduit or run those power lines and charge them so that portion of the work
we've made significant investment to provide those utilities those conduits underground so that that work is already set hold on so you already have the PVC underground that's correct so you're just looking for the cables to be pulled correct correct and energized right so
then isn't that what I am is doing in Golden Shores I am is doing some conduit work where there's some missing parts and then that's part of their contct the other part is the connections yes right so why can't they
finish up here as well fpnl doesn't have a line underground yet they're still overhead that part of the work hasn't been done yet so they have nothing to connect to and IM can't do that fpnl has to do that
they've already done the work that as the gentleman explained that I am would be doing in that sense but there's nothing to there's nothing to connect it is quite delinquent on a lot of their contracts so don't we have any provisions to hold them the task they're
the only Power Company in Florida yes I understand that but don't we have any provisions to penalize them so that they get on it we could stop using them conts um all right I'm I'm going to uh let someone else speak commissioner
visgar you have the floor so uh commissioner stus actually ra raised the the question that I had because when I read it um it I understood that the burden was on was on
the applicant and that so as I read it and I didn't have the benefit of an individual meeting so I'm just going on my own individual understanding um I understood that it was I understand that that fpnl is the
problem right so it's not you like you've done everything you can f fpnl is the one who has to actually come in and do it and you've done your part and they haven't done it and so you're you're being held back on the certificate of
occupancy so but as I was reading it I always as my assumption was that yeah that that the cost that you would run with the cost because it's drafted in a vague way and so my question was going to be you know are you going then to do
it in the future when when fpnl if we if we sign off on the certificate of occupancy would that would the new condition be that when fpnl is on track that then you're going to come in and do it um so that was question one because of the vague language regarding the
payment and commissioner cyber raised an interesting question for me which is how is the lack of the certificate of occupancy holding you back so to answer your first question um we are committed to the beautification and we support the project that the city's
taking to underground all the utility lines we're not going anywhere we you know we're tied to the Estates everyone at Sun Al knows the Estates Jules Trump has been here for many years and will continue to so I think our interest is also tied with yours in terms of getting
those power lines under so as we've been doing we'll continue to cooperate and push FPL as much as possible but I think it's it's really I think the two issues have to be decoupled in terms of getting the co and running these lines which like I said we have and other people
have ackowledge there is no end in sight so right now we're just kind of swimming in this fast ocean not knowing where where we're going um and if you can I apologize your other question um how how is the absence of the certificate of occupancy holding you
back it's really an administrative burden that uh I guess has an impact on the city's resources on our company's resources we we're on our fifth TCO extension and it' just be a continuous
uh you know administrative um roundabout okay for TC so it's an inconvenience it's an administrative inconvenience it is an inconvenience there's some cost Associated um with that um you know we we'd like to have a CO close it out and
decouple it from this condition that we have no control over but like I like I mentioned we're committed to this project for the city uh we're owners of that garage so it's not like we've turned it over to a third party where we have no interest uh we have a very much interest that make sure these uh power lines are put underground for the
beautification of the project beautification of the city um and our brand and reputation so we're not going anywhere we're committed to assisting the city in whichever way we can okay I'm may I ask a question of the city manager do you do you do you happen to
know cuz I I I don't like to you know I don't like to throw stuff but I like I said I didn't have the benefit of the individual meeting on this one so um is there a a comparable uh situation that we've had with a different project uh that where the under the
undergrounding became a an issue and and if so who paid I'm I'm separate from the homes you know like something else in the past the work that was done along Collins there were several variables
that were considered in terms of the length of the lines for the project but there was some type of owner participation in sharing the cost but it varied and in this scenario owner
participation would be aqualina some owner some owner participation means means some payment by by the owner of the building that's what that means mayor if I can please go ahead okay so this is a city undergrounding project
what was created back in the day you all didn't do an assessment you didn't do anything like that you created a spreadsheet that had sort of a demarcation as to how much each person would pay however as the projects were getting approved some voluntarily paid some conditions of payment were put in
the site plan approvals others were not this is one that one was not included so the work essentially is a city it's a city project and my understanding is they've done all they can do the fpnl can't just
come energize and bury their line they have to go down the line so there's other properties that are involved that haven't been done either yet that are holding them up obviously it's all fpnl and fpnl has to energize it all the conduit work all that stuff's been done but it has to be energized and actually
connected by fpnl and that's what the holdup is as to cost though it's been mix and match some have paid some have not paid but it's not who has paid or who hasn't paid is who was supposed to pay like some people will and some
people won't but who was supposed to really that's the question and and what you're saying is because it's vague that vagueness works against the city it does because it's been inconsistently applied some of your approvals have had the condition where they have to pay others have not
and and this one is does not have that in there and again most of the work has been done the only thing that's left all the works not all the work most of the work's been done and paid for it's just the connectivity that needs to occur that only fpnl can do which I understand
and I know that you've done your part uh so my last question again I apologize because I didn't was it wasn't able to discuss this in advance um is this something that's that we budgeted we did not so then this
would so then no so nobody's resp like on paper there's no allocation for this for this um responsibility or the city no and neither and neither the owner so it's just in in the air in the air yeah okay
may I why do we assume this cost wait wait wait no no no hold on we're going to take turns and I guess my my follow-up question to that would be understanding that it's a city project like I I don't know how this is not budgeted if we've been we've budgeted
undergrounding since as far as back I can remember so may I don't know maybe we need to look more closely at that because I would have expected it to be budgeted um but um if it isn't then and I know you may not have that number now
but then I'd like to know what that means I guess that would have to be a budget amendment I'd like to know what if not this part and there's other parts like how much is has not been accounted for that we would need to know that but
okay like but if May the vagueness works against the drafter were we the drafter it's too far back I presume so because it was a development it was in the resolution so I presume it was but it's it's too far back I wasn't involved okay I'm I don't have any more questions
okay um vice mayor yeah so my question is if FPL wouldn't have been behind and there wouldn't have been a hiccup and everything would have been done in a timely fashion for that connectivity who would have ended up
paying for it my understanding is the city would have the city would have even though the contract that was drafted of the agreement is vague it doesn't specify that the city cuz it's a city project it's your it's your undergrounding project okay and they
paid for the conduits on their side and to get everything connected but as to the fpnl responsibility and undergrounding unless it's specified in their development order that they have to pay it's essentially a City cost at that point that's why I was inconsistent with some groups having to pay and other
groups not and when you say groups are you we talking Speers buildings or are we including in uh the houses in Golden Shores Golden Shores is a completely different thing that we're going to have to look at because that's right now you're footing
the bill and there probably should be an assessment but there's a whole process you have to go through for an assessment right now I I understand we're putting the bill but also there's been talk about uh having some of the homeowners pay for the final connectivity for
fpnl well that's something the stud is going to have to determine because for AT&T and uh breez line I believe they're charging the individual homeowners okay on their own from fpnl standpoint and that's something else I have a meeting with the city manager with next week to
determine how we're going to proceed forward with fpnl because why fpnl is not going in doing it themselves is one question but to the extent that they're not and we're paying a contractor to do it City's going to have to determine who's going to pay for that and how that's going to be achieved okay all
right so given that this has not been budgeted even though we've been talking about um the undergrounding project for a while and understand these things come up but I I would like to see uh states of aqualina pay for that final
connectivity and see if we could rework whatever agreement we have and moving forward you know I think we need to be very specific especially when we're talking about buildings you know H having them pay for it um you know so I think that if we could have the states
of aqualina pay for that you know we'll give him the co but you know once that other part of the project you know I understand you want to decouple it and I know why I mean you you explained it uh very clearly but I think that the
payment should be made by by the states of aqualina even and that would be voluntary on their part if they choose to do that but you don't have a mechanism to force them unless no no I'm not talking about forcing them or anything but but sitting down at the table and and and trying to renegotiate
something okay I just have uh two questions before I give the floor to commissioner ston um how much are we talking about here what is the the approximate amount ballpark 10,000 20,000 don't know no
okay we don't we don't right so the other the other question is if there was an expectation for us to have been paying for this from the beginning based on our agreement why wasn't it budgeted m we do we do have a general overall
budget that you approved for our undergrounding project so it would cover this we have a gen yes but in terms of specifically for this no but if our expectation was always to pay for this then it would be the inclusive so I I
just look it's the cost of $65,000 and my understanding it has been budgeted that yes it has because it was part of our project okay so now we have clarification it has been budgeted $65,000 um but you're requesting that Alina pay for it even though it is
budgeted and I'm going to give commissioner ston the yes I mean if moving forward we have a policy where especially you know we're talking about um you know buildings on the east side of Collins or newer buildings that are luxury buildings we could have them pay
for that okay whether it's $60,000 $65,000 and um yeah I think moving forward we have that policy and these agreements should be clear about that all right commissioner St well I do believe we had a similar issue last year with Turnberry
on the ocean they also have issues with the certificate of occupancy and they have problems with FPL too uh we had uh in June 2024 we had that as a soning hearing as well which was defair uh they
start communication with uh FPL and in the next very few month it was solved so maybe we can do the same thing you know defer the item or give a little bit more of time and more pressure to fpl uh everybody here is talking on behalf of
FPL but FPL is not here so maybe there you guys are next in the in the to-do list we we don't know that you know so and I don't like to talk on behalf of the people that is not not present so having said that uh like I said before uh it's a parking lot and I know know I
have for you guys is inconvenient and for the city as well to have those open certificates and everybody wants to close all of them uh as soon as possible uh I just uh don't see the need to change the rules of the contract and
hopefully we can have a way to read it in a matter that is more convenient to the city and not that always the city is the one who has to be losing respectfully just to add on that we've been dealing with FPL for quite some
time um for months so it's it's nothing new that we're saying oh they can't resolve it now we've been dealing with months we've we deferred our last application thinking that it would come to a head now but it just hasn't they haven't been able to provide a timeline so we don't know what if it'll be in a year six months or somewhere in between
or or another you know another time frame but just to address a couple question a couple of remarks that I was hearing so we have made significant invest ments in this project we already put the underground uh conduits down there uh We've uh We've contributed to the art and public places fund um we've
also made accommodations to have an antenna easement for the city to use to accommodate their accommodation needs so we have done some many investments in the project and your concern was will will this set B bad precedent um for other developers I think there's uh
different factors one the language that's in the site plan resolution it doesn't say that the developer is responsible for paying uh and second it should be analyzed on a case-by Case basis on what the applicant has done in this case we've provided the improvements on the ground we've we've
had continued support for the city and we're we want to continue to achieve this project so we're still involved we're not going away we just want to decouple it commission Joseph do you want to so have you been dealing with upper echelon
people at FPL or project managers or both we've uh we've actually dealt with a series of project managers because there's a lot of turnover at FPL right um so each one it's about re-educating them on where we are on what we need to do um we've you know we've used our um
the resources that we have from uh Jules and Stephanie Trump yes with peoples at the top to try to get this project through so we have been making efforts it's just it just hasn't culminated well if you'd like to share one of those phone numbers with me I'll happy to make a phone call sure um
I have a question please go ahead and then I have um again commission um brought up I forgot about that turn barrier we talking about the one was just this little piece of of the one that just had like one little stretch of of of wire still left on Collins is that
the one that you were talking well in in the trees in the coconut trees yeah yeah that one okay so so what um and in the end fpnl we didn't need the they they fixed it before they had to come back I remember now okay so I would would be I I would like to know like how that one
worked it they I'm sorry yeah how did that one work it got they paid because it was in their condition of approval that they paid so so that agreement wait wait wait wait wait wait right so we were drafting different contracts for different people
okay got it okay um before uh vice mayor gets up I wanted to ask Amy if you can come up please any explain why you brought this item in front of us and how if and how and if this is different and why you're making this recommendation because I think
there's some um sure questions here they're not answered um so just to clarify Turnberry didn't pay the city what they did was they had an application to remove this condition and then they deferred the item and then within a few months they worked with FPL
to have the lines underground that was a different kind of issue what happened with that one was there was a property further north where um they were supposed to have a dedicated Transformer but another site took that Transformer and so they had to do some work with working around that specific issue they
get them underground so Turnberry worked directly with FPL and then they no longer needed that condition so the what did come before you was the variance to reduce the number of Street trees so when it came before you there was no issue about the undergrounding um just specific to this
project um the the developers have done everything in their purview that they can to get this underr grounding work done what they're waiting on is work that needs to be done further north in the corridor along Atlantic Boulevard um
and as uh Jerry has said they've done they've underground their conduit that's as the most that they can do there is another item on this agenda to add $65,000 to the project to help with um finishing the phase three of the
undergrounding which includes this development site that 6 5,000 is for the whole Corridor it's not only for their project site and lastly um the underground project is budgeted there's $29 million in the budget already to
satisfy the undergrounding work and if you can clarify you said um up north how North are we talking about because we're the up north to 185 so all the way up to Publix Atlantic Boulevard um so will that in to 185 so that
includes Atlantic the school um the power lines are on the east side of the road okay so they run adjacent to the arcade Plaza and then our property I see and then it runs further south so they're not the only ones affected in this phase three of the
project okay and the reason I brought this before you is because um we feel the developer really has done everything in their purview to get them underground we're just waiting on FPL to make those connections further north and um they're asking for some secondary conduit line but but not where this project is
located okay thank you so you're recommending it okay if there aren't any further questions um I'll take a motion I'll make a motion okay I need a second please second okay
Mauricio commissioner Joseph yes Vice Mar Lama yes commissioner cent no commissioner viscara yes mayor fetchin yes the application is approved four to one okay thank you
thank you um all right before we move on to the next item because we did have additions and uh we had a deferral I just want to make sure that for those in the audience um please go fill out a public speaker card for any of the items if you choose not to speak you just can
say I I I changed my mind it just makes it a lot easier um so that we are um very deliberate in our actions today and it's very clear and it's fair for everyone okay next item please next section is ordinance first
reading six say an ordinance of the city Commission of the city of s Alis Beach Florida amending ordinance number 2024 d618 approving budget amendment number VA 24253 to the city's operating a capital Improvement budget for the 2024 2025
fiscal year authorizing the city manager to do all things necessary to implement the terms and conditions of this ordinance providing for an effective Dee okay Mr city manager please mayor vice mayor members of the commission this is our third budget amendment and this is
uh part of our year-end Closeouts regarding our fund balance some purchase order carryovers creating the procurement Department that you allowed for the last meeting and some transfers out of the
general fund and other budget related items okay and we discussed this during the um agenda review but just for clarification before I ask if there's any public speakers the the increase for the the allocation rather for the
additional um manager um we anticipate that's going to be offset by the Savings in in having someone um manage those contracts exclusively is that correct I just want that on the record yes ma'am okay do we have any public speakers no ma'am okay uh vice mayor would you like
to start if you have any questions no question okay commission commissioner scar commissioner Joseph no no questions thank commissioner ston all right I'll take a motion please second second okay
Marcio vice mayor Lama yes commissioner stent commissioner viscara yes commissioner Joseph yes M fetchin yes the ordinance passes on first reading second reading will be scheduled for March okay next item
please ordinance for second reading 8A is an ordinance of the city Commission of the city of sanal Beach Florida amending ordinance number 202468 approving budget amendment number ba 2425 -02 to the city's operating and capital Improvement budget for the 2024
2025 fiscal year authorizing the city manager to do all things necessary to implement the terms and conditions of this ordinance fighting for an effective date mayor vice mayor members of the commission this is our second reading of our budget amendment from last month that includes installing cameras in the
elevators at Government Center and allocating some funds for the storage shed at the Layman great thank you do we have any public speakers no ma'am all right are there any comments or questions from the commission no I'll take a motion please motion second Mario
commissioner cyers commissioner viscaro yes commissioner Joseph yes vice mayor Lama yes mayor fetchin yes your ordinance is adopted okay next item 8 B is an ordinance of the city Commission of the
city of San spee Florida amending chapter 22 of the court of ordinances and title City departments created to eliminate the development services department creating the procurement Department creating the Innovation and technology department providing for repealer providing for separability
providing for inclusion in the city code providing for an effective mayor vice mayor members of the commission this is the second reading of our ordinance eliminating development services department establishing the procurement department and creating the
Innovation and technology department in the city great thank you do you have any public speakers no ma'am any questions or comments from the commission I'll take a motion then no motion second second Rise commissioner
yes commissioner Joseph yes vice mayor Lama yes commissioner Cent yes mayor fetchin yes the ordinance is adopted okay now we're on to resolutions 9A just a reminder we have
an addition of 9M and deferral of 9 L in case anybody wanted to U sign up to speak 9A is resolution the clearing is zoning and progress relating to the mixed use Resort District Town Center District neighborhood business district
and business overlay districts mayor and vice mayor members of the commission this will extend our current zoning in progress for another three months and as you know we have some workshops planned for you very soon so that you can give us further
Direction on our zonings okay do we have any public speakers no ma'am when is that first Workshop just for the the audience to know so next week but what day I don't Monday right 24th I believe yes Monday and Friday okay and we're going to be
pushing that out yes okay great um no public speakers no public speak any comments or questions from the commission I'll take a motion please motion the second second all in favor I I thank you next item 9B is a resolution
approving the purchase of a 2025 arbach low floor shuttle bus from model One commercial vehicles mayor vice mayor members of the commission this is approval to purchase a lowf floor shuttle bus which is
definitely in Need for our Fleet there this was based on a piggyback contract from the Florida Department of Transportation there is a 36 month 36,000 miile warranty and if you approve
this it would still be a year before we received the bus there's a year lead time so for clarification in 2026 it will be a 2025 bus yes okay do we have public speakers Merc no ma'am any questions or comments from the
commission so I have a question this 188,000 doeses that reflect uh a cost savings regarding a 2025 or is it just that's what that's
our penalty for having to wait that long there's no penalty it's just a it's just a delay I don't mean penalty right that's that's the cost of what it is that it just takes how long to get it yes right now because of the supply and demand yes
okay okay take a motion so move second all in favor I I thank you next item N9 C is a resolution approving a First Amendment to the agreement with policing with a passion city manager mayor vice mayor members of the commission
this is a First Amendment with policing with passion they have assisted us with oversight in our police department and more specifically dealing with our red light camera installation and um program
okay and the cost of this would be our projections are would be covered by the red light camera program all right do we have any public speakers no ma'am and just so that um since we have an opportunity to remind the public look where they
are the red light cameras if we can just various intersections throughout the city sorry mayor I can't tell you specifically but just don't run any red lights well I thought we were going to be very transparent about it is my point
so I just I haven't gotten any complaints at at all about this so only good thing so this please use the ways okay all right uh no public uh speakers all right any questions or comments from the commission I have a question regarding uh pleasing with passion
you're recognized thank you so uh Mr city manager um the um purpose of policing with passion I know they've done a great job on so many issues what is the um what going forward what is the
um uh purpose that you might be using them for in the future do you is this an ongo relationship that we're to have after the accreditation and all I feel like yes when this when I
first contracted with Paul um now two years ago and he's done a great job thank you yes we I really needed an independent person that was outside the agency to come in and do a full assessment and that I relied on Paul
from who met with you individually to give you some of the challenges we've had in the Department those concerns have been I would say implemented and change has been
significant including adding of 18 new police officers as well as promoting the chief and assistant chief so from this perspective I'm using him to help with the implementation of the red light
camera program but also to provide General ener oversight and guidance to our chief and assistant chief okay so is that something that the chief will uh require going forward or is there a time
when you know the chief may you know not need that assistance well I think the G Chief has done an excellent job he has exceeded our expectations for all of us that being said I still like to have the oversight
and someone with many years of experience and wisdom guiding him so at the point where the chief feels like we have reached that then he and I would have a discussion and I would bring that back to you okay good thank you and again I want to reiterate Paul has done
a great job for the city and we all appreciate it I'm sure thank you okay take a motion motion second all in favor I next item 90 is a resolution approving
an off system construction and maintenance agreement with the Florida Department of Transportation to perform pedestrian safety improvements from south of State Road 826 to north of 178 Street in Collins Avenue city manager mayor vice mayor
members of the commission we had a substantial discussion about this at the workshop but essentially an order for the Florida Department of Transportation or fot to come in and perform some safety improvements in walkways
throughout the city they're requiring us to enter into a maintenance agreement with them so in order for that project to move forward we're bringing this to you for Authority okay um do we have public
speakers no ma'am um all right before we go on to um the commission when we discussed this at the agenda review it was not clear where exactly um they would be looking to make those improvements and what specifically do we think they're going to be doing I know
that there was a discussion about making um crosswalks more ADA Compliant uh can you just give a little bit more detail before we get to the commission's questions as to their proposed work yes what you think they're going to do yes they're going to do crosswalk and
improvements on 170th Street 172 Street 174 and 178 they're going to be upgrading them to make them more um accessible compliant and in line with current standards okay there any
questions or comments from the commission yes so go ahead yes thank you so during the uh gender review I had asked if at this time since we have to agree um and sign for f fdot if there
was anything else in the city that might need um upgrading that we could ask ask them to do um and I was told that there really wasn't anything but then it came to my
attention that over uh walking around by the causeway it's very unsafe where people can walk just across the street at any time and and not getting over not waiting to get over to the crosswalk if
there was some some type of guard rail that could be put on the curb to prevent people from jaywalking over in that particular area where people are coming off the causeway it's a very dangerous area
there I I will certainly ask them if they can do that I do not I do not know the answer to that take a motion then I'll move second second all in favor I item please 0 is a resolution approving
a First Amendment to the agreement with Nunes construction for the installation of an emergency generator and building restoration at Gateway Community Center mayor vice mayor members of the commission this is our first amendment with Nunes as we get into doing restoration work at Gateway Park we're
discovering some things that need to be rectified and corrected that were improper during the original construction for example large buildup of stucko walls and areas that we're trying to repair so this amount
will help us to assist to do it the right way okay um before we get to any public speakers during the agenda review there was a um a request to um give an update on what the total cost is were you able to get that information it was
text to us yeah we got theil oh was a te oh oh well then for the rec please yeah thank you but it's quite upsetting when you look at the numbers well I'm glad I didn't look at it I we sent you when we go through our agenda workshops for any
questions that we have we do compile that information we did email it to you but I can review it if so that if you would like just the amount the amount I don't need you to read the entire email no I could I could just read the amounts but there's a few of them okay so for
Gateway the land purchase was 13 . 5 million the garage and park construction was 21 million the Gateway pedestrian bridge was 2.7 the interior buildout was 6.5
million Gateway generator is 1.5 million Gateway Restoration 725,000 in the gate and then the other subsequent question I think that you all
had asked at the workshop was what our projected Revenue was from parking to try to do some offset for fiscal year 2324 our parking Revenue was 26,8 A5 for that parking lot okay it
went down in the next year correct by we're in we need to just first I want to see if there's any public comment hold on there's no public okay now you're recognized go ahead yes so the the uh income from the parking went down by
about half in the next year right now we're we're only into a couple of months of our new fiscal year and we've collected 105,000 okay so it's so it will be higher I believe it will be okay yes so
that's because our rates went up correct that's true our rates did not our rates went up on the beach so maybe what's happening is people are falling back to Gateway we raised the rates for par paring at our two Beach parking areas by a dollar but not for our
interior parking okay all right take a motion please motion second second all in favor I all right next item Macio n enough is resolution approving a third amendment to the agreement with IM electric for Street lighting preventive
maintenance and as needed electrical services mayor vice mayor members of the commission as commissioner Joseph brought up earlier this is a contract with IM electric we need them to do some this is our phase three
connection at 178 central island in the Atlantic Corridor for 65,000 there's some areas of conduit that need to be placed in order for the connectivity do we have any public speakers no ma'am comments from the
commission take a motion then well so they're doing as needed work in this area but I guess because there's additional work on Atlantic north of um the garage
that they can't do that work there so what happened is we went out a couple of years ago with an invitation to bid for companies and IM electric was one of the companies that we selected as biders so when we have projects like this we're
able to use them to do work like this right they have been very responsive so far okay so they're doing then the same work that FPL would do basically they're no they're doing they're actually installing sections of conduit that
needs to be done fpnl really just um runs the wires but not the conduit for this work this is part of our project thank you make a motion I'll make a motion second second all in favor I next item
please n9j is a resolution approving a Fourth Amendment to the agreement with Amusement Source city manager mayor vice mayor members of the commission this is the company that we use for ride rental services for City sponsored events uh we
have an initial term with this company of two years with three additional one-year renewal uh we've been very satisfied with this company therefore we want to exercise our final renewal option from March of this year to March of next year
so we're requesting an additional 990,000 bring the total contract KN to exceed 475 any public speakers no ma'am any comments questions from the commission um I just have a question
regarding uh the safety and um how they uh Safeguard their equipment so I know the state has um is talking about uh legislation regarding these types of rides and all
so what safeguards do we have make sure that they're in good condition and kept up I would have to get you additional information on that specifically what I can tell you that we require is we work
with our insurance broker but this is one of the main components that City attorney the purchasing director and I look at for all these contracts in terms of having the proper insurance I know that's not answering your question
but I will I will research that and and let you all know specifically good okay I'll take a motion I'll make a motion need a second second on favor I I next item 9h
has a resolution approving an agreement with NE on sign solutions for the removal fabrication and installation of Monument signs throughout the city city manager mayor vice mayor members of the commission this continues our upgrading
of essentially city parks landmarks those kinds of things this is for all this approval will be for our Citywide Monument signs and we're showing you on the
monitors though you've seen it before some of the concepts of what the signs are going to look like so we contacted Dade County and they had 11 vendors and we put them out asking them
if they wanted to bid on this came back Dade County had advertised a request to qualify for these companies there were 11 there two were responded to us and this was the less expensive of the two
and this project is anticipated to take between one to two years to complete okay and just you see some of the signage on your monitors of what is existing versus what is proposed and just for the record um how many signs
does this include or something wasn't it like 14 I think so something like that 19 thank you thank you do we have any public speakers Mauricio no ma'am okay any comments from
the commission no take a motion please I I'll just like to comment something so go ahead um moving forward we need to be mindful and we need to see whenever we're looking at signage and these sort sort
of things that have our logo and our IP we need to see how we could repurpose these so we don't have that expenditure of a million dollars every every five years so you know the these things could be designed in a way where you could repurpose them without um you know
having to to replace them and we we could save ourselves some money refurbish not refurbish no no no so there's a way of Designing something where if you need to change our logo or tagline you could change it without kind of oh I see I don't know exactly what's
what this entails but we need to moving forward be cognizant of that so we don't have to replace something and something new we could repurpose it okay I think I think what the vice mayor is saying is that when they're going to be building these out there's
an opportunity to have sections where we have our logo to be able to change it without having to change the entire sign is that yeah I I think we need to look at that yeah yes okay thank you all right right I'll take a motion please I'll make a motion I need a second
second all in favor I great thank you 9 I a resolution amending resolution number 9834 to include Friday May 9th 2025 as law enforcement appreciation day and thereafter the Friday before National
Police Week as an observed holiday Mr city manager mayor vice mayor members of the commission this item is being presented to you and appreciation for the work that our police department does and it's a matter of this day is
recognized as law enforcement appreciation day and it would be May 9th of 2025 and thereafter would be the Friday before National Police Week and it would be observed as a holiday in the
city of Sun's Beach there are a number the Dade County observes this as well as as Golden Beach petto Bay Cutler Bay Miami D Clerk comproller and the 11th Judicial Circuit of
Florida it's for you all to appr the irony is is that uh While most of the city staff is going to have off that day there's going to be police that are going to still have to work um okay uh Mara do we have any public speakers any comments or
questions from the commission I'll take a motion please motion need a second all in favor I next item please thank you nj's a resolution expressing support for Senate Bill 2-c relating to
immigration enforcement okay this is my item um so I had asked mauriceia to put this on um before it was signed by the governor um it's it's already passed but this is just our support of what uh the legislature um has presented to the
governor the governor has signed it and it basically means that we will in all ways possible work with the state um to to help them enforce um any laws that that are passed regarding immigration
and that our police department will be very involved as well do we have any public speakers no ma'am any questions or comments from the commission no okay I'll take a motion I have a couple questions so I I spoke with the city attorney and and I just wanted to make sure that there's
no no no Provisions here that would go against the Constitution of the United States so um City attorney if you could just you know based on our last conversation and I know you went through
this has anything come up where you could tell that it goes against the Constitution of the United States I mean I that's a difficult question to answer because it really depends who you ask I suspect there's going to be a slew of people that will deem or at least Tred to assert that something's
unconstitutional within the the bill it's it's a lengthy bill um it just got passed on Friday well the governor signed in on Friday so I haven't heard of any challenges as of yet um but it
it's a difficult question to answer as to whether nothing hits me in the face and causes me great concern with the constitutionality of it um I suspect probably most of the challenges may come with the augmentation of C ing for some
uh most are related to gang members as defined by the statute uh but there are some um graduating sentencing and and degree you know the the degree of felonies may be augmented based on
the immigration status so I think that's something that may get challenged but it it's impossible to tell yeah okay yeah because one of my concerns was I mean there's augmented let's say um offenses there augmented punishments that I'm
concerned if there's an immigrant that's in legal process following the law and they do something you know not serious but there's an augmented penalty for that I wonder if that's constitutional so I'm I'm I'm just um you know thinking
out loud here vice mayor this the the spirit of this is really to um deter um serious crime that is committed um and I believe anyone that's in in and I'm not an attorney so Mr attorney please
correct me but anyone is in the process of getting their immigration status um regardless if they commit a crime they normally as far as I understand they they're not able to continue so I I don't think this is going to necessarily hurt anyone in any way that they
wouldn't already have some sort of repercussion no I understand but I just wanted to make sure it does not go against the Constitution of the United States um yeah and I think items yeah yeah so that is that is my main concern
I understand this is just a resolution you know it's not an ordinance that but obviously we're obliged to uh support any state and um federal law uh that is uh passed so I I I just hope this does not go
against the Constitution so I guess time will tell I I would say that just for your own edification if you haven't read it that there are Provisions in there that for I guess targeting jurisdiction local jurisdictions that choose to
purposely defy uh any efforts by is or immigration to enforce federal law that they there are penalties against you personally uh I think it's up to $5,000 per including possible suspension
so cooperation is the key no no I understand that and and obviously we'll we'll cooperate but I I was just concerned on that part you know the constitutionality of this and just to make sure that we are supporting something that does um fall within the
uh you know Constitution of the United States so that's all okay any other questions and just basically I think it's anti- um Sanctuary City so no no I don't believe if anyone wants Sun's
Beach to be a sanctuary City no yeah I I understand that uh it's just that you know it's a like the attorney said it's a lengthy um you know Bill and um there's a few things that you know jumped out at me when when when yeah I
mean look I I just want to say that uh probably with the ex I think only uh commissioner Joseph is the only person this day is that uh was actually born in the United States and so I think that all of us I was born here you were yeah raised in oh I'm a Greeno I your accent okay all
right well then the the three women here understand the the the hardship and the importance and what you go through uh to become a citizen of this country doing it the correct way and that's what I think the the point of this is is to support that no no I understand I just want to make sure that we're not going
against the Constitution absolutely I agree with you but I do have to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States so that's my you you actually we you took an oath so yes that's right all right I'll take a motion no I like to comment also um I I
started my career as an immigration attorney so I have some background and I have not read the whole 50 pages but I'm still in those circles and um there are concerns about there are some constitutional concerns there and it
will likely I mean right now it was passed so it's law but it's effective already right but it's um it's I expect that it will be challenged and again I haven't read the whole thing I have not had the time but what the pieces I've
seen I I do believe that there's unconstitutional pieces in it so I on that I would not support it because I do share those concerns okay all right I will make a motion I need a second I'll second it um we'll see if
any challenges come up and it's within the you know boundaries of the con stition of the United States all in favor yes iiss no no okay thank you okay all right next item please
yes 9k is a resolution expressing support for Florida Senate Bill 226 prohibiting smoking in public places all right commissioner Joseph this is your this is my baby and it's uh close to my heart I've been working on this within Sunny Isles for the past three years
going around to uh certain restaurants um which and some have agreed to post my no smoking signs um secondhand smoke I have um friends uh who have spouses uh one spouse smokes and the
other I have instances where the spouse has passed away from the breathing in of the secondhand smoke over a lifetime so um we have in Sunny Isles we have restaurant some restaurants that have overhangs uh that are actually
considered indoor space but there is still smoking allowed which um unfortunately um Florida does not have the Manpower at this time to enforce the no smoking so some of these areas I
won't name names but these restaurants allow smoking where they shouldn't because there's nowhere for the smoke to escape so I'm glad to see that this bill expands the term public places and that
would basically allow for no smoking in um public restaurants and and the such so in that regard I support this pill 100% And I'm asking the commission to do the same we have any public speakers no ma'am any
questions or comments from the commission I agree I mean um Second Hand smoking is terrible and we need to protect the uh the residents for sure and workers uh work workers that you
don't realize how they're so susceptible to the second for for the clarification because I think that um you know this is interesting that this is a bill sponsored by Senator grutter uh who also sponsored the no smoking on on the beach um and he's a staunch um you know
Republican who normally would say you know let people do what they need to do or what they want to do so specifically for the public restaurants you know all most of our restaurants are within the rkade plazas yes so if this becomes law whether we support it or not doesn't
really matter but can you please clarify does that include the restaurants within the rcade plaza because it's technically private property that's what I need that would be public places would be including restaurants would be included
the law specifically said mentions restaurants okay so restaurants like I'm just thinking of those that do have a lot of smokers um like El Tropico um hatan Bakery those places just if I can just get the City attorney to to clarify
I haven't read the bill this particular bill but previous bills have been any restaurant typically where food is going to be served um would be restricted there'd be no smoking yes even outside correct now let me just say under the
current law if you take tropical for instance where it has an overhang currently they all do have over well yes but the current law states that any area that is 50%
covered is considered inside Space where smoke cannot Escape so actually those restaurants with an overhang are considered indoor space but there's no enforcement okay so that's actually under state law now now there is no
smoking in those areas but there's just no enforcement all right got it um the issue the enforcement is the issue yeah um all right I'll take a motion I'll move I'll second all in favor I right
now we have 9 L is deferred we have 9 M that'll be me a resolution expressing opposition to Florida house bill 301 relating to sovereign immunity so we discussed this very very briefly um at in the um discussion items
earlier today and this is a one of those uh the FLC they calls them the zombie bills because they don't die they just keep coming back year after year and so here we are again I I would um thank you to the city clerk for putting this
together very quickly I do appreciate it so we can vote on something that's in front of us uh the amounts though um are are wrong the they're looking to to increase from 200 per person per
incident to 1 million so that's five times increase that's the first Warehouse CL so in the first Warehouse so like it's going from 200 it's not going from 200 to 400 but that would be double right so which is still too much but they're actually saying it's going
from 200 to a million and then the 300 per incident is going to 3 million so that's 10 times um we in our discussion um with the advocacy committee they said that even if you if you account for I forgot
what that index is called it's a CPI that the index that is that right okay yeah that one okay so if you if you were to account for that it wouldn't the increase would not be anywhere near this and it's if it's from 200 it goes to
maybe 280 like if you were just accounting for that to keep it the same so like the numbers are ridiculous and of course what this does is it increases um our liability which means it increases our um our insurance rates and
inevitably it increases litigation because when there's a a bigger pot to go after and people fall more right that's it's sort of I'm sure there's a chart about that somewhere so so that's what this is we're looking to oppose it and um we opposed it last year and the
year before that and we'll see if it finally dies this year okay do we have any public speakers no ma'am okay I just want to remind the public if you wanted to speak this was an add-on item so I want to give you another opportunity no okay um and just uh before I open um the
floor to the days you can please clarify what do you think the chances are based on the history I mean they're going to fight it last year uh it um last year it did well because over the negotiations the numbers became very reasonable I
actually thought it would pass and I think I it may be that the governor vetoed it or or in the end it just oh no I know what it was it was that the the numbers were negotiated on both sides the house in the Senate and and they came close but they didn't quite get it
together and then it ended up fizzling out so it I think there's broad um agreement that some increase is warranted but how the negotiations go and if they get on the same page is really anybody's
guess so besides us passing resolution is there anything else we can do to support what you're doing this is on the flc's um agenda and it's actually in our conversations that we've had with Ron books office and and our own trying to build our our legislative program this
is one of the top five so we'll be not just I brought it as a resolution because we were meeting and it just m came came up um but we'll be we'll be attacking it um and then we'll it's one of the things that we'll ask residents
to chime in on as well great okay uh no public speakers correct Mauricio no ma'am any comments or questions from the commission no I I I just hope this this fails because I mean imagine we have some municipalities where their budget
is not even a million dollars so this will bankrupt municipalities I mean there's some municipalities that are close to here that don't even have a $3 million budget small cities where you know this just doesn't make
sense I I mean and and and whoever proposed this is aware should be aware that municipalities small ones don't don't even have the budget to cover a claim that's the strongest argument right because these these things apply
Statewide exact and so if you're you a very wealthy City maybe you can take the hit and increase in your in your um in your premiums but nobody wants that anyway but um it can act literally bankrupt the city uh and also you have
the self-insured um cities like Orlando and I think thought it was another one a plantation I think is another one where they just pay out of their reserves so yeah anyway okay do you want to make a motion on your item I will make my
motion all right you second I'll second it all in favor I I okay um next item is 10 do we have a number for 108 108 okay so to to clarify um and
I want to make sure that I again make it very clear we're going to follow Robert's Rules here as well as our rules of decorum I'm going to ask the the the deis uh and my colleagues to please uh follow those rules uh wait until I uh
give you the floor and acknowledge you and I'm going to need the City attorney and and the city clerk to help with this process because of the chaos from January uh we left something on the table that we shouldn't have uh a motion was made um by commissioner commissioner
Stenson correct and seconded by commissioner Joseph to censure me so I want to know procedurally how do we go about this so that we can sort of close that Loop and make sure that this is done correctly well you've started off by uh having the
commission agree to add this motion to the agenda which has occurred so it's in order okay um pursuant to your procedures before the the motion needs to be uh clearly stated as to what it is
and then at that point as you do with all your other items you take public comment when public comment is done then you can deliberate on the motion all right and so despite the fact that I brought this back on and are we asking for the motion
to be made by the original person that made the motion how does this work so that it's it's correctly um well you can't make a motion right this is true too okay so by by that operation uh if somebody if it's the same motion then maybe it can be restated okay as it was
uh and clarified as to what exactly the motion is so that the public can comment and if there is public comment and then uh so the commission can deliberate all right so if I could just say have we clarified the this number so that people
can it's 10 a yes it's 10 so anyone that wants to make a comment it would be commissioner Joseph I asked in the beginning that we follow Robert's Rules so please do that so that we start off on the right foot and do this correctly so please wait until you recognize Comm suon you made the original motion I
don't have my notes with me because I wasn't prepared for this uh but it was a motion about uh abuse of power so I don't have it with me I don't know if you have it to read it back I don't have it with me I don't have it with me but yeah that's the motion I made about
abuse of power yes okay is that is that one second please again you you're you still the I repe no no no I know commissioner Joseph Please Mr City attorney is do we need more clarity than that we do because it's a
it's has to be some kind of action what aemotion to what it's is it you need to sort of specify what the motion is going to be what what it is that's being requested be deliberated so abuse of power is is I don't know so commissioner ston do you want to let commissioner
Joseph make the motion then because it seems like he's jumping out of his seat so please would you like to make the motion well yes I'll make you're recognized thank you and I believe and um have you can assist if I miss anything since it was her motion
originally you're making the motion now so okay but from what I recall there was a motion for regarding abuse of power and for a censure a resolution of censure regarding the fact that there was a um
mural wall across from the school on RK property that had been painted over um and RK was told to paint it over let me just interrupt you it just needs to
be the motion not the debate so we're not discussing the facts right now or any I need you to make the motion so that then we can then have the discussion okay so you recall what your motion was there was a motion to censor the mayor for
abuse the power there you go so much but I don't have it with me right now is that enough yeah that's yeah that's enough okay perfect get into the details all right so then I need a second and I will second okay so procedurally Mr I'm so sorry I just need to clarify because
I have that commissioner Joseph is making the motion so I need someone else to Second um commissioner ston then made so then M Joseph is second okay we can open up for public comment all right please do
perfect Isaac Feldman and I just I I want to remind everyone again um I brought my gavel that I got from the previous mayor thank you Norman I I've never used it but given what happened last month I want to make sure
that I never use it you each have three minutes to speak please address all your comments to me the chair um I I'm going to ask you to refrain from any abusive language you know we're keeping to decorum we're going to do this the right way so that we can get through this and
close this door so please go ahead your name and address for the record please yeah Isaac Felman 177 in Colin Avenue um good evening honorable mayor and um Commissioners and the staff um I'm going to speak as the business uh owner in the
city I'm in the city business owner since 1991 long before it became a city and until today I work almost with every mayor in the city including the first one mayor Ed cup seven years on these committees and uh I try to to be
available and volunteer as much as I can with the Cen City but what's happening I'm going to read a short statement and then I'm going to say something about it okay I come here to be heard as a business owner who you all know and I am
and all of us are fed up fed up with a constant fighting the divisiveness and the political games they seem to take Pro presidents over the real issues facing our community the motion to censor our mayor is yet another example
of how personal agendas are being placed ahead of the progress we worked so hard to build together under the mayor's leadership our city has been growth has seen growth and stability that businesses like mine rely on she has
fought to add resources to our police force ensuring safety to our family and our businesses more than that she worked with this commission no matter the politics to make sure that our community continues to thrive but now we are wasting time on
motion that serves no one it doesn't serve the businesses the families or the future of the city all it does it creates more division more frustration and more doubt in the leadership we need to keep the city moving forward this is
what you all were elected to do to represent our interest as a business owner I know how important stability is we need leadership we will work together who will put aside differences and fight for the things that matter safety growth
and a prosperous future for everyone censuring the mayor who has been a tireless advocate for our community is not the solution it's a step backwards I urge you to put aside the politics and focus on what really
matters let's come together support the process we've made and work forward forward a future that benefits us all okay that's is my statement now as far as the the the issue itself okay
none of you were in that meeting okay none of you know including honorable uh mayor edel which I adore and is my friend uh I was in that meeting okay and I can being as a witness here firsthand
witness being in that meeting with Mr ryanan Cutz and Danny cats I I need just to finish it's important statement and um we were sitting in a meeting talking completely different issues that um that I brought up that we all brought up that
uh was concerning with Ark Plaza with with uh ranan cats and Danny and during our talk we were talking about generally about the city and about the school so the the mayor uh made a comment that the
wall looks bad to which Danny offered would you like us to paint over that uh that wall to what the mayor answered that will be great she did not ask anybody to do anything she did not abuse
any power without any permission or any talk to the Commissioners she just mentioned a fact she was offered but arcade that owns The Plaza in in the wall okay and she just answered that will be great that's exactly what
happened I can swear on a Bible if you need or anything else but I was a firsthand witness and what's happening now it shouldn't happen because the city Conant in chaos my good friend Anabel liali here the commissioner and vice
mayor previous please yeah of of hel andelle I was in their meetings and it's a pleasure to see all the harmony all the how it's clicking it's constantly chaos that created by some of the Commissioners here okay it has to be working you guys working for us for the
city not on your personal agendas your personal uh politics has to be for the city thank you very much thank you next speaker please and Lima to is absurd good evening everyone um off
topic for a quick moment I just wanted to correct something uh respectfully Madame mayor um Sher vibas was not uh handed over by Hamas today it was a coffin with an anonymous body um and
that is uh that is uh Hamas for you I originally intended um to come before you tonight because I wanted to introduce an incredible um individual who is the vice mayor of which is our sister city uh in
Israel October 7th Survivor and a hero who saved many Ukrainian lives and Russian lives um on October 7th and October 8th but here we are on a different um topic um some of you might wonder why I'm here I live in Hallandale
Beach I also serve in hendel Beach we have residents in hendel beach that own businesses in Sunny is Beach and we have business owners in Sunny is's Beach that live in hen um in Sun that live in highlandale Beach um centuring is an
embarrassment you have a two billion with a B dollar hedge fund run out of an office here in Sunny Isles Beach you have legislator in uh in the State of Florida that are talking about eliminating property taxes this is how
you fund and pay for everything in the city correct the tax dollars property tax dollars go into our coffers respectively this Antics these political Antics will only serve to get people to get out of
Sunny Isles and come invest in my city and invest in other cities but I'm here as one woman to another I've been in your position before where I've had four against one it's an embarrassment and I just want to tell you that your reputation all across we we gave you a a
key to our city in Helendale Beach because of your accomplishments because of the work that you're doing and The Advocate see if you keep getting censured by individuals here because of whatever political Antics and thuggery and uh clown acts it will only catapult
you and I can tell you from experience you will have opportunities where people will come to you and offer you to run for high your office so a centure might look like you know uh um bullying but it will only catapult you and if they keep doing this for you you're going to be
very very well known so as one woman to another I apologize that you have to go through this but I am proud of you I'm proud of the work that you do thank you for what you do for the state of Israel thank you what you do for the Russian Community thank you for what you do for sunny is Beach but thank you what you do for members in Hallandale Beach as well
whether they're residents or business owners uh we we we share a common ground thank you very much and I'm with you all the way thank you Michelle Wilson Madame mayor thank you um I appreciate this opportunity to speak today I'm
coming before you as the former president of Winston Tower 600 and also the former president of the Winston Towers Master Association which consists of seven Winston Tower buildings I want to say that um I do believe that this is
just absolutely ridiculous to put this topic up for us um especially with our mayor's reputation and how much she has done for our city um she's everywhere all at the same time I think that we have more serious
issues to address I know that I as previous president have been made aware of so many issues with our Working Families Our retirees as well as our elderly Community who are so afraid um if
they're going to be able to continue living in the home that they've lived in for decades because of our exor burant assessments um that are currently happening in in our buildings um our elderly people especially they have
lived in there for decades and they're they're just so fearful I I talk to each and every one of them in in our building alone and I know many people in all seven buildings and I think that everyone would agree I I'm actually really disappointed that we don't have
more of an audience here today I think I'm going to help work on that uh we need to fill this uh like I did for the Master Association meeting on all seven buildings we need standing room only and we need people to get involved because I'm positive by my conversations that
you will have a lot of support from our community thank you thank you more speakers Tamara Rosman good evening everyone I live in s's Beach and um I live here permanently for
4 years and through the time of Mayor being in charge you can see a lot of differences and I think please if you would State your address commissioner Joseph commissioner Joseph
please I you stop thank you we need to have a I understand um all the addresses are are there already but I can appreciate what you're saying you can please give us your address ma'am oh it's 100 it's a 210 174th Street s Beach
33160 enough know thank you thank you go ahead um and you can physically see the difference when I moved in just four years ago and what's going on now and I fully support the mayor because I think she has um the best interest in building
this community to be together and uh to to be safe and happy wherever we live and make this a good home for everybody so I think the rule is to work together and not to be against each other and I support the mayor this is my position
thank you thank you Maxum guro Maxim your name and address for the record please yes my name is Maxim guro uh my address is 17555 Colin
Avenue I I've been a resident of San's Beach since 2003 have a homestead exemption since 2019 I own four properties in San Al's
Beach I've been on three boards of different associations in s is Beach and I'm currently a vice president of the Pinnacle Condominium Association however uh representing today myself not the
association um I attend uh City commission meetings from time to time yes sorry could you just pull them microphone to AB and um it just so happened that I've not been attending the previous one but I reviewed the
video and uh it came to my attention that the entire proceeding was somewhat inconsistent and contradictory uh commission commission ston just address everything to me yeah
yeah uh paid a lot of attention to smartgov software as a way to control permits violations and other things administered by the city and at the same
time I realize that this wall that is being now the point of contradiction may not have had murals for which a city permit was
issued I don't know that for sure but that's my to the best of my knowledge and believe it was not uh Mr Morris would you be able to tell if in fact there was a city permit for that we're not going to have it back and forth but I appreciate okay so what I'm trying to
say is this U Miss ston said that she has three children and what one child get the other two get so if somebody does something with a permit then another one has to do with the permit because what is happening here is a
precedent being established that for someone who does something now without a permit there is no enforcement because somebody else was allowed to do something without a permit in this country there is
President law I'm not an attorney there is a City attorney here uh who may correct me if I'm wrong but I think it is a dangerous precedent and besides that uh in the remaining 20 seconds I will say something
else specifically uh for commissioner Jerry Joseph your comments never forget you know sir that name calling for somebody on Facebook never forget you can finish up
that was a reaction to a very anti-semitic remark so if you want to never forget those hostages then you should forget someone who responded to such an anti-semitic remark sir thank thank you
thank you Lu sailor L 19333 Collins Avenue Sunny Isles Beach I I think most of the people that have gotten up here are really do not understand the initi the problem that
we're talking about we aren't here to condemn the the mayor for everything she's done there's a specific point that has been brought up here and the single point is the wall and
clean having that wall clean overall and hurting at least 12 children that we have in the school that's the Point here it's not how good she was it's not that whether she did what to the Russians all everything else it is a school problem
that we have we have have and I happen to be president of the social citizens we pay those children we have those children have a contest to put this the pictures on the wall and they have done
that and the the mayor with one word saying yes what wiped all those out and that's really what we're we're discussing here the we we need to understand that our children are
important that our children should be well in some way compensated I do not understand how we can do that when you wipe out their memories they they had gone there they had signed the pictures they made the pictures and put them on
on the wall and we had hope to continue to do that that that is the problem and that is the the concept of of what we are here for tonight it's not to say how good she is or how bad she is overall
we're here for that one single item and I think that there is compensation somewhere along the way that we should have or the children should have not we the children should have and I think that that's really what we're talking about overall
I thank you thank you that's all man' okay so um before we go to the commission I just want to clarify for for the record what it is the motion is this is a this is not a contest of of uh who who likes me who
doesn't like me this is very specific censure is a very serious thing it's it's got um there has to be elements there that I'm going to ask the City attorney to to Define but for for the point of clarity here um no children's
rights uh were in any way affected this was a private property owner who um painted a wall that uh had for many years been um painted by various people uh without any sort of permit uh I did
not instruct him to do that um if I had that sort of power over Ron cats there's plenty of other things that I would have asked him to do to fix his pausa so Mr City attorney before I open it up to the um commission can you please just for the sake of clarity so that we do this
right um explain to the um de and or rather my colleagues and the public what a centure is and what are some of the uh elements required for that okay well um generally I don't know
about elements so much but generally censures are an different bodies use them so for example the Florida bar uses censure so if I do something wrong there's different levels of punishments for the lack of a better term could be a public recommand could be a censure
could be a suspension the Florida Commission on ethics uses censure as one of the gradients of their uh punishments uh I believe the ethics commission and Miami does the same so different body use
censure as a way of admonishment um typically though there obviously has to be some finding of wrongdoing if there's a finding of wrongdoing then the censure follows that as a repercussion of that wrongdoing that needs to be identified so I don't know that there's so much of
an element aspect but there needs to at the minimum at least in the censures that I've ever experienced has to be some representation of what that wrongdoing is that's being censured okay if that responds to your question okay
great thank you you like to make a public comment please uh can you fill out um public speaker card discussion so yeah it's finished it's closed yes I can I can allow him to speak okay I make a motion
do not allow any more speaking well if you all haven't started deliberating yet a comment was made by the mayor and a question was asked foration right I'm sorry you were giv clarification of it I was giving
clarification but there's no your code talks about you all deliberating and discussing an item so you can't start that until public comment is done and you haven't started that yet I I was answering a question I I I'm not part of
the commission already said that they would know about the speakers the chair is ruled if you want to the chair so we did not start deliberation so this the the point of of everything that we do here is to have the utmost transparency and allow the public comment so there's
no reason not to allow this person to speak otherwise he would have to wait until the end I don't think it's going to make a difference either way so unless there is strong opposition is there opposition to allowing the
speaker okay please your name and address for the records good evening Sunny Isles Beach my name is Kevin Cooper I am the chairman of the Republican party of Miami date County I'm here to thank our oh my address is 20965 Northeast 32nd
Avenue in aventur Florida I'm here to thank mayor svin for her strong leadership on behalf of the city and the work that she has done to advance this city she has lowered taxes she's fought for her citizens and she travels around both the country the state and this
County doing great work for the people of this city so I'm shocked I have to tell you I'm shocked that we this city has chosen to attack mayor fetchen with this motion I think this this motion does nothing to
lower taxes does nothing to improve the city and as a matter of fact I think it creates division at a time when we need to be working together we we are now entering the Golden Age of America and leaders like mayor fetchen are leaders who are going to move this city and our
state forward and frankly I think it's personally upsetting to me when individuals wear the logo of our of our party to attack one Republican over the other we shouldn't be doing that we should work together we should make Solutions and so I implore the city
commission today I come before you all today propose Solutions not attack one another propose solutions that will help and I ask the people here today will this motion lower taxes will this motion help improve
Sunny Isles Beach will this motion make America great again and therefore you have your answer no no no I implore you to vote no thank you very much thank you okay thank you all right Mauricio with that we're
going to close public comment um I will open it up to commissioner suon since this was her motion to start I have any you yield you're yielding your time yes absolutely okay I can talk later no I'm giving you your time now I can talk later as well no per Robert's Rules I'm
recognizing you right now right now don't have any comments so you're yielding your time I don't have any comments right now all right you I just for the record you've yielded your time you've made the second please go ahead commissioner Joseph and just to clarify we're not going to turn this into a Circ ccus we're going to speak one by one
we're not going to draw this out we're going to say whatever we need to say U and let the other person on the day is speak next so please go ahead okay so at the last commission meeting we uh determined through questions of the
mayor that she was dishonest in her answers okay this this is where I'm going to stop you okay we are not going to call anyone a liar I did say you were a liar said that I was dishonest that was not determined this is not a matter of fact I'm asking you to introduce
anything that you would like to introduce to support the second Mo the motion that you've made so please refrain from calling me dishonest or anything else okay so after the last commission meeting it
was determined that we needed to have further discussions with um the um principal of the school as well as um the cat's family who were
present when you asked them to paint over the wall I did not ask them to paint over the wall please go ahead that's not what I was told in my discussions with Danny Catz okay please go ahead are you done
so um I have determined for myself through my uh investigation and speaking speaking let let him speak please speaking with the people who were involved
firsthand that you were dishonest on the on the deis and it warrants your censure okay thank you commissioner viscara I agree with some of the comments uh from from our speak speakers
today that there are bigger and more serious issues um but issues that arise are issues that we have to address and this is what came up uh last month uh motion was made and uh
both vice mayor Lama and I said you know we're not just going to take one person's word or you know a he said she said things that we're going to do our due diligence and and um uh speak to the other parties who were mentioned and so that's I took it upon myself to do that
um and I prepared my statements just so I don't forget anything um I will also like to comment just um before I get started two things um no this is not the biggest concern in the universe but where there
is no consequence there's also no rule so there are rules of ethics and such that govern these things and that's why we're here that's why this thing exists and whenever anything good happens in the City or bad as a as a result of a of
a decision made up here it's not one person it's not one person who lowers the taxes it's not one person who improves the police department it's done as a body right it's not one person you know maybe they may drive an issue but if it's approved and it moves forward
it's done as a body and nothing would happen if as a body we didn't agree okay with that said um so at the last meeting there was a discussion uh to censor the mayor for her role in painting over the school's mural and and
uh on the arcade wall that we all know what that is uh former mayor edel CB gave us his accounts of events and vice mayor Lama and I decided that we would do our our fact finding to verify the account I subsequently spoke to members of the arc organization the school
principal and the curriculum support staff and uh former vice mayor Lu sailor uh of social citizens which formerly was um the sib foundation okay that'll become relevant in a second so this is what this is what I I found the mayor
was correct the city's code does not allow murals okay uh there was three instances that I found that deal with this in 2012 the commission approved the mural on the construction fence of the Mansions of aqualina in 2018 which was something that came up in the meeting
the commission denied the application for a mural from juice and Java rejecting the recommendation of the city's public Arts advisory committee and if memory serves me right I think it was um they had already painted it and then they came and and they asked for the approval and it wasn't given and
then it was painted over and then in 2015 um the city commission passed a resolution approving and this is in quotes approving a request submitted by the sib foundation to approve the temporary use of a wall to create an our
Wall located at the west side which we know what the wall is uh that resolution states that the temporary use was approved for one year and that the applicant the sib foundation uh would restore the wall to its original state after one
year on paper that's all we have apparently the art wall was a success uh and the school RK and and the foundation decided to keep it going there is nothing in writing memorializing this agreement the map of the continued use
never came before the commission and um you know the city it just well it's a night this is this is what frustrates me because we've had this conversation in different ways where well who who's going who's going to complain well you know why why go through the trouble but
this is why we go through the trouble we have to do things the right way because if not when it doesn't rvel then there's then we end up in situations like this so the city did not just kept using the mural everybody was happy the kids are
happy we had ceremonies but it was not done properly so the correct action would have been after that one year to come back with a resolution or a variance detailing on the new Arrangement um it is the lack of proper
process that brings us to where we are today had proper process been followed we would have Clarity on on what can and cannot be done on what the parties had agree read on what was the roles and responsibilities of the three parties the foundation the school and
RK so that's how the Wall came to be but the the motion right the reason that we're here is that the mayor clearly overstepped her boundaries she is the one who initiated the conversation this is according to my interviews she was
the one initiating the conversations about the state of the wall with the school and Ark instead of again proper process going to the city manager when you have a problem with something and it was based on her direction that arcade painted over the wall a direction that
she didn't have the authority to give I should note that in my conversations with the representatives of the three parties they were consistent on one thing and that is that nobody objects to the artwall everybody likes it everybody wants it the principal denies stating
that he did not want the art wall in fact the school has already had meetings for the next round of Student Art as long as the city's okay with it the principal said he's happy to keep it he just wants to be in compliance it it the wall is just a fact for him he's he's a
new principal he came the wall existed the kids have been painting it they showed up we had ceremonies he never question it and frankly I didn't question it it's been going on for 10 years and I never it's just a fact you walk down the street and there it
is um the art wall uh the the artwall functions um separate are separate from arcade Plaza and it wasn't a concern to them this is again based on my interviews because the foundation has
kept its commitment to maintain it and we may take issue with how they did it maybe they didn't use the right paint and it peeled but they kept up their end of the deal and until the mayor brought the artw up as an issue RK had practically forgotten about it they
painted it they painted it over the day after the meeting with the mayor as as a sign of good faith of improved relations which seems to be the mayor's purpose for that meeting unfortunately that the damage is done the wall has been painted the art is gone and that's a direct result of the mayor's overreach for
which I feel a formal reprimand is appropriate as for next steps proper procedure is still required the three parties the foundation RK and the school need to formalize their agreement and bring it to the commission I assume it's in the form of a variance and that's a
variance that I would support um and I hope that the artists of this year because this now there has been a pause in this process um I hope that this year's artists get to see their work up before they graduate and that's all for me thank you
um Mr C city manager commissioner vcar brings up a good point and I would like to get clarity on this um and and again for the record I did not direct them to paint the wall um why was this never addressed for the last 10
years by the previous administration or your Administration or was it addressed because there were conversations about the the disrepair of the wall for I know there had been in the past um I'd like to understand where the the ball was
dropped on this because as I stated previously anyone that wants to paint their house to to put a a a nail in in a wall needs to get a permit um but meanwhile this sort of fell by the
wayside and then uh also to commissioner stenson's point from before as far as uh consistency and having the same rules I I think this also begs a question as to why the city staff did not follow the rules here I don't really have an explanation
other than to say that it should have been addressed many years ago and was not okay and I just want to say that for the record the parties that I spoke to did say that you directed it so
there's you may you may say otherwise but I can I can only report so like for the record there's then there's two records then all right well we had a speaker that was also there that said something different commission uh vice mayor llama what would you like to say yes so um I also did my homework I
wanted to understand what the situation was um and who was saying what uh what was really going on and um yeah I spoke to different parties um RK did tell me that you told them specifically to paint
the wall you asked them uh whether that is true or not I I don't think that's the point um in the last commission meeting you you you you stated and uh Isaac stated that he was in the meeting
and um Danny asked you if about the wall and that if you could paint it you say yes and I think that that answer was not up to you I mean there should have been the correct process to follow you know if that war wall was in
shambles we should have called Code Compliance Code Compliance should have warned the uh property owner and then also all parties should have been communicated or sent a c courtesy email or a courtesy call saying listen we have an issue with this
wall can we please address this issue okay um none of the parents and the and the kids knew about uh the wall being painted over the school did not know they came back from the break they saw the wall painted over so I think that should have been taken into
consideration uh it was not so I don't know why that yes was given um to Arcade to paint that wall over and and um quite honestly I think that you know it didn't really not take into consideration the
art that the kids had uh there they poured their Heart and souls into that those uh paintings and um I mean if I were one of those kids I would have been livid and sad and I think that was it
whether I don't know what the intent was was it a lapse in judgment whatever it was um it was wrong and uh unfortunately now we cannot Salvage those uh those paintings from these kids so giv that um
also talking about the um you know following process and formalizing these types of agreements because it was a verbal agreement sort of um and had we put something in writing I think that we
wouldn't be here talking about this you know we've had these issue come up a couple of times already where there's like some verbal agreements some side deals going on whatever it is I think it's just taking time away from the
residents efforts from staff Etc and yeah I agree there's more important things but we need to address these things especially when it comes to you know the residents and the kids I mean I was sworn in to you know protect the residents to
enhance their well-being and to protect their well-being so you know having said that I think that it was it was wrong for the mayor to say yes to that question for marquay our Cas says that the mayor instructed him directly asked
him to paint the wall I don't know what the point was I don't know what the truth is but you know she said herself you said it Isaac that she said yes and I think that was a great mistake now you have kids that cannot look at their art
you know they spent countless times it's it's an expression of themselves and um you know whether that wall was in shambles it was dirty around there well that's why we have Code Compliance that's why we have the property owner could have gotten a violation and that
was not done we need to follow process because then we're sitting here you you know talking about these things and quite honestly we all have you know better things to do there's other issues that we need to address you know there's
Wars uh there's different things going on in the world um that um obviously need need attention but then again like commissioner bisara said this came to us and we need to address it and we need to
give our honest opinion about it and my opinion is that yes the mayor made a mistake whether I don't know was intentional laps of judgment but yeah I I I think uh censure is appropriate here
all right thank you um and and based on on your logic that would mean that anytime there is an issue where someone should have painted or not painted something like their house that there would be an expectation that they would
get an email and or a call directly to them telling them that they've done something wrong when specifically I will say directly after our meeting last um month um uh Patrick Dunn who lives in Golden Shores called me because he was very
upset that he got a um a CIT not a citation he he got a warning that he had painted his house uh without a permit the same color that it was before and he painted it eight months prior um and he wanted to understand if
he was being targeted and I said to him I'm sure you're not being targeted uh let me find out what happened he was very upset he admitted that he needed to get a permit but he didn't understand why he was have to go through all of these hoops um when all he was doing was
just beautifying um and keeping up his house so to your point uh and I think everyone's made this point uh there was absolutely a a problem that occurred here and which was that this was not um
managed by City staff and the code uh compliance officers um I don't know why I'm being uh targeted for this um there like I've said already in no way was
this meant to direct or force or or overstep um however ever you all have said what you're going to say so um I'll take a motion well I have another issue to bring up wait we right now we're
talking about this so do you want to make a motion no I have another issue to bring up regarding this all right I'll let you speak one more time and then we're going to move on because we're not going to sit here all night okay so I would like to know how many years of paintings were on that wall when it when
it was whitewashed okay so I don't know the answer to that and I can tell you that's not where we're we're going to be doing right now there were 10 years of paintings on the wall listen to me at $2500 a year that social citizens paid to have
that wall painted I do not know these things to be fact and that's not relevant that's not relevant to this we're making it is because there's a financial cost to your decision I did not make a decision there
is no Financial cost associated with this well this is a motion for Cent that was 10,000 12 so $12,500 was on that wall and cost from social citizens that you wiped out with
your decision that was not my decision any and I'm going to I'm going to finish this I'm going to finish this here you still being unhonest dishonest and saying that it wasn't your decision whose decision was commissioner Joseph you're going to stop okay we're going to keep theorum we're I
amum I'm the floor the truth you do not have the floor you can make a motion so that this commission can vote and we can move on we still need to address the issue of the cost that was lost to social citizens we do not because that's not
part of this motion so well I'm making it part of the motion well we can't just the motion is for censure that's the only motion that's before you no because in the mayor's decision that that's the motion before you on the table excuse me we need to have the cor you not asking
for the commissioner Joseph let the City attorney speak and then I will let you have the floor but we're not going to drag this on please go the only motion on the table currently is a motion for censure of the mayor that's it well I'm amending the
motion well to do that you would have to make a motion to amend it has to be seconded and you're going to have to vote on that like to make a motion to amend do I have a second excuse me there's no second is there any second no second there's no
second all right so we had a motion from commissioner stent we had a motion from uh commissioner Joseph do they need to repeat the motion or can we take a vote you can take a vote although I would ask again for specificity as to the just so
that it's stated for the record clearly that it's a motion for censure and exactly what the wrongdoing is that's being censured okay commissioner ston please motion for for abuse of power commissioner could you turn on your microphone and repeat for abuse of power
okay thank you in a second I will second all right Macio I'd like you to take a vote for the record sure me one second mayor
commissioner Joseph yes vice mayor llama yes commissioner serson yes commissioner viscaro yes mayor fetchin no the motion passes 4 to one all right so now we have citizens
Forum Vali falkovich Vali my name my name is viali fov 8 Southwest 167 I was actually going to speak on something else but I'll go ahead because I'm very disappointed you know when you
break the law and in the criminal statue you have to meet the requirements as I'm coming in here on several occasion and several meetings and observing mad M I never seen any abuse of power if there's an ethical violation
they supposed to go to ethical board and I would be definitely happy to testify that I never seen any ethical violation that occurred and by the way I was here in the last meeting and I know what actually occurred the gentleman was arguing with the mayor you know you
argue in court what happens is you get thrown in jail and you know to me it's very disappointing that we accuse somebody of somebody that trying to help the city you know you got you guys should be blessed that you're not like Miami Beach where there's a shooting
happens on Ocean Drive you should be blessed that you're not like Chicago Illinois where there's a shooting happens as we speak right now you know you should we should be you should be bless people that live here that you're not in Israel where there's bombs going off as you see in the
restaurant and the bombs going off buses get blown up and that and it was thought that it's not one one person yes it's one person because it's admin under Administration TR and the administration of Madam shevin is that is one of the
best cities that it can be by the beach and you know as doing business here coming up here three times or four times a week I'm proud to come up to this city and do business here I'm not proud to go to Miami Beach I'm not proud to go to BR
but I'm proud to be in the Z beach it's based on what administration is running the city thank you thank you do we have any thank you that's all there that's it that's it okay so no more public comment meeting is adjourned thank you Part: 2
okay good afternoon we're going to start I know that um some of us need to leave a little bit earlier um good afternoon everyone um I'm going to call this meeting to order Mauricio commissioner stent commissioner viscaro here
commissioner Joseph is not here yet vice mayor Lama here mayor fetchen here we have a Corum okay and as I understand 2A we're taking off because uh Senator pizo is not going to be here yes um we're going to start with 2B but right after we're going to go to uh 2 e so
commissioner viscara thank you and and also I need to add like a one minute item which is the house build 301 okay okay all right thank you okay the first item is subb apost
humous service recognition for former employee Susie hooks mayor vice mayor members of the commission this item is in memory and remembrance of our
long-term employee Susie hooks was one of our best bus drivers that we've had here many of you know her as well as our employees her family is here and you
know sometimes with these things it's um I think Les is best said because it's very difficult for all of us but I especially as a manager always appreciated uh working with Susie one of the employees that I never had any
problems with over the 13 years that I've been here just one of the nicest people to deal with professional loved her job and what she did so as part of this we want wanted to First recognize I'm going to
ask everyone to come up together when I when I present these plaques but we had two employees in particular that really assisted and tried to help um with uh efforts to save suie and that is
Lewis Ortiz in yutai Moore and if you guys would come up I just want to read from the plaques that we have for you these fellow employees of Susie Hooks and the the plaque States it's a certificate of
appreciation for your extraordinary courage quick thinking and selflessness in assisting with life-saving efforts your dedication exemplifies the highest standards of the city of Sunny Al Beach
so we wanted to thank you in in your efforts and then I would also like for Susie Hook's family if you could come forward so I can read our plaque thank you for being here and I
just wanted to read we have we're going to present this to you but it states in memory of Susie hooks dedicated to our dear friend and shuttle bus driver Susie hooks who exemplified hard work
integrity and kindness during her 17 years of service she will be greatly missed and forever in our hearts so we wanted to present this to you and we also have a duplicate of this plaque that's going to be on the fourth floor
in uh the conference area for myself and the elected officials remember her so I'm going to have my and if I could ask the mayor and Commissioners to come down please [Applause] day can you guys
you e for okay commissioner bisar you're does Mauri have to yeah next than okay the next item is to e a proclamation presented for black history
month thank you um so this is Black History Month I'll be uh we have a proclamation the intention was to present it to a congresswoman Freda Wilson who represents us uh but she couldn't make it today so I'll I'll just uh read through it and then we'll
formally present it to her when schedule is allow um uh whereas Black History Month is a time to celebrate and recognize the achievements and contributions of African-Americans to our nation's history culture and society and the legacy of African-Americans has been one
of strength resilience perseverance in the face of Oppression discrimination and systemic racism and whereas Black History Month is an opportunity to highlight the accomplishments and Milestones of African-Americans in all are areas of American life including the
Arts Sciences politics business and civil rights and whereas the struggle for racial equality and social justice is ongoing and Black History Month provides a platform to promote understanding and Dialogue on the issues of facing the African-American community
and black history month is a reminder that the history of our nation is intertwined with the history of African-Americans and that their contributions have played a critical role in shaping the course of our country Black History Month recognizes the sacrifices and hardships endured by African-Americans in their pursuit of
freedom justice and equality and honors the legacy of those who have fought and continue to fight for these ideals Black History Month is a time for reflection education and action to address the ongoing racial disparities and promote equity and inclusion in our society
Black History Month provides an opportunity for all Americans to celebrate and learn from the rich and diverse Heritage of African-Americans and to work together to build a more just and Equitable Society each year the association for the study of African-American life and history sets a theme for black history
month and the theme for 2025 is African-Americans and labor and whereas the year's theme highlights the the significant role that black people have played in the labor forth both as enslaved people and as paid and unpaid workers and the City of
Sunny Al Beach encourages all people regardless of race nationality or Creed to celebrate the black Heritage and recognize the contributions black Americans have made in our society so we'll be thank you no go ahead
okay so we'll be presenting this again to um to woman fra Wilson when um opportunity allows thank you and we'll do that um and may I go to the next one the next item on the
agenda is item 2D Proclamation presented for colar rectal cancer awareness month no no we're going to let commissioner I'm so sorry so I'll let you do your thing oh go ahead okay so this is um just as an
add-on I I um the the um legislative session has just begun I mean actually hasn't begun yet but the uh bills are getting filed and we have a a familiar one coming back which is a sovereign immunity one this year it's
hb31 it basically increases um the uh the amount of which uh the government can be sued uh this time the opening bid if you will it's basically increasing one kind of suit by five times which is
for the individual and for the incident by 10 times so we're opposing that I'll be um I'll be um asking for an add-on at the 6:30 but I just wanted you to know uh where I was coming from and we it's part of the home home rule so it falls
within our legislative priorities that we've already approved um but we don't have we we can reuse the resolution from last year but I don't have it okay because I just up thank you so that's it for me and I'm sorry but I have to make an early exit
okay thank you commissioner scar okay um where that we're at 2C yeah we made a a change in the beginning of the meeting okay 2C is a proclamation presented for gild derer
okay um someone from the organization here yes okay um this is a proclamation that I'm sponsoring and it's interesting before I start I don't know if um our residents were aware president Trump was in town yesterday he might still be here
in town meeting South Florida and during his speech he actually uh acknowledged Sunny Al's Beach and the work that he's done here in partnership with uh Gil deser so that was a nice plug for our city the proclamation whereas Gil deser
president of deser development has been one of The Visionaries in transferring the skyline transforming the skyline of the city of sun Al's Beach Florida through Innovative and luxurious real estate developments and whereas under his leadership desert development has complet completed nine luxury high-rise
residential and condo hotel Towers in Sunny Al's Beach including notable projects such as the Porsche Design Tower the residences of Armani casasa and six Trump branded Towers significantly enhancing the city's appeal as a premier destination and
whereas Gil desert's commitment to Innovation is exemplified by the introduction of the patented deserv a revolutionary car elevator system that allows residents to transport their vehicles directly into their private Sky garages seamlessly inte integrating
Automotive passion with luxury living and whereas his philic Endeavors include being one of the founding members of the mount s Medical Center Foundation serving as a young president of the Miami Heart Institute member of the Florida friends of Israeli Defense Forces member of the one family F fund
organization and contributions to the Norman met cup Sunny Al Beach K School demonstrating his dedication to the education and well-being of the broader community and now whereas du I Lissa fetchen as mayor on behalf of the city Commission of the city of s Al's Beach Florida hereby proclaimed Saturday March
1st 2005 as Gil deser day in day in the city of s Al's Beach um and I think we have someone from the organization that is here to accept it uh so we'll just hand it to you and we can since they're not here we'll take a picture at a different time if that's okay all right
do we [Applause] have okay mauricea next item next item is is 2D Proclamation presented for colal Cancer Awareness Month okay this one is mine it's another one where we're going
to present this at a different time at the Miami day League of cities uh meet Bloom uh commissioner in aventur who asked that we sponsor this is that uh another event so prevented her from being here um where is cor colal cancer is the
second leading cause of cancer deaths in the United States among men and women combined mind and whereas col electo cancer is one of the few cancers that can be prevented with timely screening but one in three eligible Americans are not up to date on screening this projected to be the leading cause of death among cancer
patients aged 20 to 49 by 2030 black Americans are 20% more likely to be diagnosed and about 40% more likely to die from the disease than other groups it's expected to account for 11% of cancer deaths among Hispanic men and 9% of cancer deaths for Hispanic women
screening colonoscopy rates have still not returned to preo 19 levels and the national goal established by the national Co coloral cancer roundtables to strive to increase timely cancer screening rates to 80% in every Community for all Americans eligible for
screening whereas education advocacy and awareness are critical in reducing the incidents and make an impact of this cancer on individuals and their families and abs and observing polar Rector cancer awareness during the month of March would provide a special
opportunity to increase awareness and offer education on the importance of early detection and screening now therefore do I Lissa fetchin as mayor and on behalf of the city of commission of Sunny Al Beach Florida hereby proclaimed the month of March 2025 as
poar rectal cancel Cancer Awareness Month in the city of Sunny Al Beach this is especially pointed for us as um our colleague from Aventura um Michael um passed away from from this cancer I don't know if anybody from the commission wanted to say anything no
yeah I just wanted to mention that I dearly remember um Michael Stern uh he championed this uh this cause he actually went to Washington spoke before Congress about the issue and uh unfortunately he is um in his next phase
of life um he's not with us in in Earth but we dearly remember him or the great person he he is um so yeah just want want to put that out there thank you thank you Mar Ste oh sure please go ahead and last
year this was actually U my Proclamation that I submitted for Michael and U said with his passing but um it just leads us to know that everyone needs to be proactive regarding their
health next item is 2f Proclamation presented for flood Awareness Month official Dylan have did you all want to say something or I just read the proclamation it's up to you no pressure this is our first
Proclamation but it won't be our last so we're glad to be here and uh we're both flood plan managers and we're always looking out to make sure the city's following all the ordinances all right so then I'll read it and then we'll go down and take a picture with you all whereas the city of s Al's beach has experienced severe weather in the past
in the form of extreme rainfall or tropical system events resulting in flooding in coastal areas and this flooding has caused damage and flood losses to homes and buildings in all areas whether they are high-risk special flood Hazard areas or low to moderate risk flood zones and the city is a
voluntary participant in a national flood insurance program that provides residents with the opportunity to protect themselves against flood loss through the purchase of flood insurance at reduced insurance premium rates as well as setting higher regulatory standards to reduce the flood risk and
potential flood damage to their property and whereas the reduction of loss of life and property damage can be achieved when appropriate flood preparedness control and mitigation measures are taken before flood and whereas public education and awareness of potential weather hazards and methods of
protection are critical to the health safety and Welfare of residents the Florida flood plane Managers Association have declared the week of March 3rd through the week of through the 9th 2025 as flood Awareness Week to promote awareness and increase knowledge of
flood risk the availability of flood insurance flood protection methods and how to prepare for emergencies and now therefore do I Lisa fetchin as mayor and on behalf of the city Commission of the city of s Beach Florida hereby Proclaim March 3rd through March 9th 2025 as
flood awareness week in the city of Sunny Al Beach we'll come down and take a picture okay you all right Mauricio we are now at two no discussion items correct we're in discussion items 3A and no local
agreements with my immediate County regarding speed limits great thank you honorable mayor vice mayor commission at the January um meeting we had three interlocal agreements with Miami day County Department of Transit
and Public Works um and the result of that was that you wanted to speak to them directly and get some more information so this afternoon we have with us Miguel yamet and sumen did I say that right come on it
please good afternoon to everyone good after to the chamber hello um my name is Miguel Soro uh I work with Miami day County I'm with the the assistant director over the traffic engineering uh uh
division Miss Jam good afternoon I'm Jam I'm the chief of Thea okay thank you um I think that commission Joseph had some a lot of questions you want to start well we have since I believe
2005 we've had a 20 M hour postings in Sunny Isles which has never come under any objection from Miami dat until now so why would that be for 20 years we're
in good understanding regarding all of our signage and then all of a sudden we're under review and scrutiny and uh we're being obliged to change and and raise our speed limit so commissioner um it is my
understanding I'm with the county since 2018 it is my understanding that even before my time there were conversations with previous City staff about the 20 m per hours SP limit signs so um in Florida the statutory speed limit is 30
m per hours uh but the county has several municipalities that have to enter into interlocal agreements with the county to have a local residential streets 25 M per hours so and this has been the latest discussion with the city
staff to go through the same process and the city has already done that uh just uh the study the agreement is in the world um to allow the city to have the 25 it's City of Miami haset city of coros uh
city of Doral several municipalities have done the same thing okay now the issue as well yeah s municipalities yeah yeah okay but the issue here sir is is um to try to maintain consistency
throughout all the cities within Miami date County it would it would be an issue if we would have one City out of 20 another of 25 another at of 30 so the the concept here is to maintain the consistency throughout the county and
and throughout the cities so what the lower speeds that we're trying to to maintain throughout the cities is a 25 mile per no I understand but in that regard let's say if you're driving um let's say down uh 90 Interstate
95 and you come through all these small towns let's say in Georgia you know maybe you've done that in the past where they have all these uh speed zones and you know speed traps so or anywhere else maybe in Florida as well where all of a
sudden you're doing 45 and then all of a sudden you hit a town and it drops down to 20 correct okay that that that that is the issue that is the issue we don't want to see a 30 in one city and a 20 in another I
understand but within our city we have our own issues that maybe the county is not aware of we have a tremendous issue with scooters and bikes and uh children that are not being supervised correctly
by their parents that do not adhere to traffic signals and by your causing us to raise our speed limits which now we have an issue 5 miles an hour is a big difference when you have all of these
unregulated scooters and all speeding and zipping through our streets we're going to if you cause us to do this we're going to have an incident that the county I guess because you're causing us to make this change
would have to take responsibility for so there is I'm sorry there is no increase in the speed limit at this point because the 20 m per hours that are posted right now in the city are not approved for for from the county there is no approval in
records so what is being done now is reducing the spay limit okay from the statutory that is 30 to 25 M per hour Citywide so in addition to that the study that we Engineers we go by United
States that the Federal Highway Administration standards right so we need to follow those standards when the engineering record prepar the study they have to follow the speed Sone Manu um from fdot and that requires that when
the speed readings when you collect speed data the 85 percentile speed readings need to deviate between four and eight mile per hours so from there you can understand what is the speed
limit that you can have posted So based on those results the speed limit should be 25 not 20 okay so let me ask you please when was the last time you did an interior Street speed study in Sunny Isles we as a county no we have not no
we we have for independent studies that if you want the record we can for sure you Happ to know off hand when that might have been 20 years ago do you happen to know how long ago that might have been I don't know we need to search the records because usually when the
municipalities request a study from us meaning installation of uh an Allway a stop or installation of a signal those type of requests traffic related we do a studies however if it's a municipality that has interlocal agreement to install
traffic cing devices meaning tables runabouts Etc we don't do those studies because that's for the municipality to do when they have agreement now your interlocal agreement is being shoved down our throat we don't particularly
agree with it because we have a particular issue that maybe other cities don't have or they're not addressing it like we are and we know that it's only a matter of time if you go up five miles even though you're saying this is a
reduction from 30 to 25 for us it's an increase okay you can recognize it or not but right now we have our signage that residents adhere to as 20 so you're asking us and we're going to have cars
going faster on our streets that's our issue and we have scooters and children in the streets we a lot of our interior streets do not have sidewalks so we have people walking on the S on the streets okay at night during the day okay
there's going to be a problem where someone gets killed because of these increased speeds so the county has to understand that and take responsibil for the future if that's what you cause us to do with regards to the responsibility I
think nobody wants to have any issues with respect to safety and and a person's life at risk right we we always try to do what's the safest that we can as engineers and in general um so but we have there are several studies sir that
have been conducted not only in in Miami state county or throughout the count the the country where a 25 M hour speed is a very safe speed there is no major advantage between a 20 and a 25 the the the 85 percentile that Miss
has referring to has identified that the average speed irrelevant to whether it's 20 or 30 is 25 so that would even if you mark it at 20 people are still going to go at 25 or greater so there are no
major advantages to bringing it down to 20 what is what is very important though is to make sure that there is an educational process with respect to the scooters and respect to even even those parents that are that you mentioned that are having certain issues with respect
to you know to to to traffic and how those impacts there there has to be some type of educational and even enforcement that that supports these changes combined with the traffic coling because usually those municipalities that have
in place the 24 month m per hours speed limit on local roads they also have the agreement for traffic coming so they have installed traffic cing and most of the residential streets combined with the 25 M per hours and so far it's working well okay so and the interlocal
agreement if I may add is a consistent agreement with all within all the cities it's not one uh one specific to another the the 25 M per hour is consistent the inter local agreement allows the city certain traffic caling measures that the city has the with studies and can
recommend and Implement themselves studies commissioner Joseph wait a second because I want to make sure everyone gets a chance uh to say one one moment please I just for for clarification because you you've mentioned it a few times um there are other cities that have 20 mil per hour currently 25 Miami Springs has has 20
miles per hour no no the mayor confirmed it and said that they have interior no that was apparently we have been searching all Rec CTS and apparently at the time the the Runabout project and Curtis um parway at that time speed
approaching the runabouts were 20 m per hours like advisory speed but th those are not regulatory speed on all roads so that was specific to that project now my question is are there other cities that
have signage of 20 M hour um not regulatory know that we have have record of it or approval because I have confirmation that there are that's why I think that what's part of our frustration and confusion is that it seems that it's you were saying you want to keep it consistent but it seems that
it's not so I I I'll just hold off because I I want to let commissioner Joseph finish and then I want to move on to Comm if I may if I may please just a second it's possible that a city may have a 25 M hour postage but it would not be 20 uh 20 posted but it is not
permit permitted by us and Miami day County does have full jurisdiction over the over traffic operations for the entire County so we would not allow a 20 M hour similarly to what what the situation that we're having here if they do one of the things that we would ask
of that city as well is to regulate that at 25 okay commissioner Joseph finish up please and yes I only have a couple moread so when you gauge your traffic studies what is it that you take into account on on interior streets do you um
match Apples to Apples do you consider streets that have sidewalks and streets that don't have sidewalks because that's not a if you're gauging your 25 miles an hour on interior streets that have
sidewalks as opposed to streets that don't have sidewalks that's not a fair assessment so the study was done by a city consultant the engineer uh can you I'm so who picked the locations was the
engineer working for the city and we shared this study with all of you so there was a previous study though 201822 and then this is a revised
yeah thank you I'm okay so the locations we have 191st uh Terrace between norbay Road and Atlantic Boulevard we have 191 Street between nor
Road Atlantic Boulevard 190 Street between norb Road Atlantic Boulevard 189 teras I mean we have like a lot of locations Okay so those 189 Terrace those do not have sidewalks so you're
gauging streets that you just mentioned streets that have sidewalks against streets that don't have sidewalks how do you how do you within your agency you treat those the same yes for a street with sidewalks and
a street without sidewalks inms you treat the same as far as safety yes in terms of of a speed yes in terms of traffic coming that's a different type of evaluation how can you treat a street like that where people were no sidewalks and people would be walking in the
street how how can you treat them the same these are all local they're all classified as local streets now the the majority of local streets don't have CS the what we classify is the the average speed throughout the area that 85% time
that is what we look at to identify the actual pulit speed okay so if I may please first first of all um the direction that we gave to the staff it was to make maybe it's happening but you guys need to explain this to the public
we need to do a workshop to explain to the public what is it that the county want to accomplish having said that Florida statute 3161 183 says with respect to a residential district or County or
municipality they may set a maximum speed limit of 20 or 20 miles per hour on local streets and highways after an investigation determines that such a limit is reasonable now which this is
investigation and the investigation shows that 25 okay Floria statute 3161 183 so I'm so happy that you are making reference to the investigation because I gave you a copy there page 17 you guys have a copy as well and I make it easy
so I highlight it okay so there are two approach to decide what is the recommendation right you were talking about the engineering approach and the four to a miles per hour Etc however there is another approach which is the expert system approach and that system
includes input into the program includes surrounding development Access Point Road Ro function Road characteristics vehicle opening speeds pedestrian activity and more that study that you have there a copy
says that in 191 the the speed limit that is recommended 20 miles per hour 191 the other Corridor 20 miles all of them 20 except for Atlantic aisle that the recommendation was 25 miles per hour
that is page 18 probably you are very um uh familiar with this so I said the recommended posit speed limits are the result of the analysis of a speed data sample on whenever the expert the expert system approach supports a 20 M hour
speed limit along 10 corridors segments and 25 along one Corridor segment and when you go to the the appendix e it goes one by one and it says all of them
at the bottom recommended speed limit 20 20 20 20 but also it says about the traffic information and and it's very interesting that you guys are deciding to get the TW the 85 percen so 85% of the vehicles like you said are
going above that 25 so it seems that we are trying to accommodate whoever wants to speed instead of going with the 50% which will make a little more sense we are deciding to go 85 because it's the data that is going to support whatever is it that you guys are trying to
accomplish now the also the speed limit report and speed Zing report each and one of every Corridor that was studied you have the copy there it says traffic information pedestrian bicycle activity
high high high high all of them and when you I I I I know about consistency and I agree we want that um but you need to take in consideration also the culture of every municipality that you're going
to be affecting in our case the majority of we only have one school in s and it's not a regular school with 200 300 students we have over 2,000 people in and out from that school every single day between students
and staff and it's fluctuating okay so and the majority in like you guys know we are in a 1.5 square miles municipality most of the people go to the school either walking bicycle
scooter electrical scooters you name it so um we had a very high um pedestrian City like most people are and one of the reason that a lot of people is here is because of that one thing to consider is that we have a lot of uh residents that
they have different status you know uh migration status and they don't they cannot drive so they are walking and they're using public transportation Etc again that's one of the beauties of Sony Al Beach that you can walk everywhere and that you have all the services that
you need in the city so like commissioner uh Joseph was saying um the areas that you studied don't don't have uh sidewalks um and there is high concentration of vehicles and pedestrians we had had fatalities here
in our city uh including children fatalities and we don't want to see that happening ever again and I agree probably that you that you guys don't want to see that either but the study is recommending 20 miles per hour the
Florida statute is recommending is is allowing us to do that as well so um it is an increase because we have 20 miles per hour since the incorporation of the city I also when I was doing my research
I find out it was pointed out by one of the resence actually the uh one of our County Commissioners brought this to the attention of the County Commission last year in 2024 and they gave the direction
to study um all the local corridors to go to at least 25 M per hours and some of the languages says that they are pushing a resolution that involves a reduction of the speed limits to 25 FR 30 on All County Main maintaining
residential roads as well as roads adjacent to parks and recreational centers Etc so you guys are aware of that working on that okay exactly so I do believe that the spirit of the resolution of our commissioner was to which is not actually our County
Commissioner but another very good commissioner commissioner cabera um I believe that the speed the spirit of his resolution was to um reduce the speed limits in the residential and local areas correct and
next to the parks the school Etc and what was the reason of that if I can uh speculate is because of the the amount and quantity of accidents that had happened and fatalities it's not it's also it's also a nationwide study that
you can just speak closer to the microphone please it's also a nationwide study and we agree with you the 25 M per hour is a safer speed I what we don't agree is with a 20 m per hour reduction versus another city that has a 25 we need to maintain that consistency and
and this and the 85 percentile and the 85% that you are referring to is a is a criteria that Nationwide that's Nationwide for us Engineers same thing a doctor can tell you that they order
antibiotics for such and such things and Engineering we go by the 85 percentile not the 50 and also we go by the um fdot speed manual instead of the other approach that the engineer you know us
it which is valid to have a comparison but the one we go by standards is the first one is the engineering approach but by stand no by choice correct because you have both well that'sa what it says here there is no choice opinion
no no by a standard we go by the speed Manu and that was the first the reason why the first study in 2018 or 2022 I don't remember now it was disapproved because of using this expert system
approach that that is not what the county uses so by choice I repeat because he says according according to the US Department of Transportation Federal Highway Administration the two most common methods and practices for
setting a speed limit this is Nationwide are the engineering approach and the expert system approach so the one that we use is the engineering approach by choice that's because according to the state United we invited them here to to
hear them as well so let them just answer please okay so if I if I may finish you know so the thing is that Flo status said that we can have 20 the US federal government is is okay with this approach one of the two approach okay
and uh so you guys are choosing that because we because you want to be consistent just the desire to be to be consistent cannot be what is going to make what is going to increase our speed limit it cannot be the reason
four but but it it's the desire to be consistent is is is a is important it's a detriment to some cities um it's a detriment to all all the studies that we have review for municipalities that
right now half the 25 is been using the Ft speed zone Manel which is our standard we don't use the other one so this other one is like like um software that you can as an engineer or planner
or whoever you can manipulate the information you can VAR whatever you want to put in there and like tweak or adapt the results to your your preference your preference so but this one but the the engineering approach is
is not it's like the results are what they are it's like you cannot play with it well and that engineering approach is from the date of one day the May Wednesday May 30 2018 from one day how
many vehicles were passing by that one day so oh yes exactly so that's that's the standard of so you are doing all these changes based on how many vehicles were passing through the streets in one
day so I would believe that the expert system approach which is used by the um not Nationwide uh because you know I study economics one thing that we learn is that um we learn to manipulate the
data to get the approach that we want so so that's specifically what it seems that is happening here you have two you have you have two approach you have two studies one is is 25 you are choosing to pick that one instead of the other one
that says that is 20 that is considering the culture because it's considering The Pedestrian activity Etc so um good luck selling this to the people of sun be okay commissioner ston and also because Sunny City in commissioner Joseph um
vice mayor you have the floor hello thank you for coming here again what what were your name I know yamilet I C yamilet right okay what was your name my name is Miguel Miguel okay nice to meet you thank you for coming here so yeah um talking a little bit
about the city you know I'll start with the 30,000 uh you know uh feet view we need to take into consideration that this city is I think the second most densest city in the United States we have in a space of 1.8 miles we have
the census says about 24,000 but I think it's a lot more than that just keep in mind we have about we have more registered properties than people so I'm sure we have more people than what the census says so it's a extremely busy
City it's very Metropolitan okay and that needs to take into account I understand that you want consistency uh I believe in consistency as well you know uh but that's that's an issue I have so I everything needs to be the
same but when we're talking about streets if you look at some of our interior streets they're narrow okay you cannot compare to streets perhaps that you know if you go to handle or you go to Miami Lakes right is not the same so
when we're talking about consistency the cities are not consistent I mean you have different size streets you have different size sidewalks you have more activity in certain cities a lot more pedestrian activity here you feel like
you're in a metropolitan area like I said before so having said that I think that that needs to be taken into consideration and then my question would be is a very simple question 20 20 miles per hour has
been working for our interior streets we feel good about it you know why not keep it that way why why break it if is not broken so you know I I invite you to perhaps
take some Drive alongs with us have you know we could go walking around the city at different times of of of of the day so you could understand you know I don't know if you've done a walk through here or a drive-thru through our through our city but I think it's important to
understand we have shopping centers you know people are going in and out and the only request we have is to keep it at 20 I understand that is not within the parameters um whether this report says
that or that report says the other I think the Practical solution would be to really take a look at the city and keep it at 20 if it's been working keep it at 20 it's been working for all these years uh the activity and the amount of
people and traffic and pedestrians and scooters that you see in the city is is crazy it really is and the reason why we're so passionate about this is because we've unfortunately had some fatalities perhaps other cities as well
and um there's a lot of pressure uh on us and our responsibili to obviously look after the well-being of of our residents and I don't think you know with time I don't think this is going to improve more and more people are moving
to South Florida is becoming a busier and busier area of the country so I don't think we're going to resolve this issue right now uh I was expecting uh or I think maybe I was expecting a standalone Workshop where we could
invite some of our of our residents um I think perhaps this was lost uh you know with the agenda it's a long agenda uh and maybe it was buried in there and the and the residents did not uh really take a look at that or they missed it so you
know it would be great if to we could continue this conversation with a standalone um you know Workshop we could invite you here for like uh an hour and a half two hours we could do it at our Gateway Center and have some residents in there and we could probably you know
go over some more details so you could understand and and see the street view of what we're talking about um if you go to some of these streets by the church I don't know if you drove by there 178 177 those streets are narrow you have Parks
we have what do we have 18 Parks here something like that you have 12 yeah okay so uh I should know that right yeah so um yeah I mean we have more buildings going up so I I I asked if we could
please have a standalone Workshop to continue these dis discussions because you know what is the issue with leaving at a 20 uh and then also there is the question mark about other cities perhaps having you know some some streets where
the speed limit is 20 miles per hour so I like to dig a little bit deeper into that as well um thank you vice mayor I I know commissioner viscar just got here and I don't know if you wanted to add something but I I I do want to say before I give you the floor um U vice
mayor makes a very good point that I think that that because we we are different than like all cities are very different one of the things that just came up as you were speaking is one of the reasons that this 20 miles per hour helps us specifically in the neighborhood of Golden Shores is that
people are less likely to try to cut in to avoid the Collins traffic if the speed limit is so slow that it's the same staying on on Collins so the issues are uh are much bigger than just just a study I'm going to let commissioner viscara go and and then I think we kind of have consensus that we'd like to
invite you back for a longer conversation but please commissioner viscar thank you obviously I missed the entire discussion so I'm not going to uh bombard you with questions I'll watch the video and and hopefully attend the the workshop but uh one thing that I that I always like to highlight and I
don't know if if this was mentioned but that sun house Beach is the densest city in Florida and possibly number two in America we have more people per square foot or whatever
however you measure it than any other place in Florida and that also adds to our um special challenge right so um we talked about before about the uniformity and again I'm sorry if this stuff has has been uh discussed but we also have
to consider the special circum St es and I think the fact that we are the densest is something that you need to take into account so with that finish with something okay just I'll I'll let you go and then I think we need to question okay so the 95% of the vehicles in 159
Street go to 33 33 95% of the vehicles in Atlantic a 27 m per hours 95% of the vehicles in North Bay Road 33 33 right now that is page 13 what I
gave you 95% of the vehicle in 172nd go to 32 95% of the vehicle in 174 go to 34 miles per hour right now when it's at 20 m per hour
Street okay 95% of the vehicles in North Bay Road in another area goes to 34 34 95% of the vehicles in Atlantic Boulevard 31 95% of the vehicles in 178
Street 28 m per hours 95% in 183 Street 29 m per hours 95% in 1863 30 m per hours 95% in 187 27 188 30
mph um Atlantic Boulevard 29 mph 189 through 29 m per hours 189 other area Terrace 29 and so on I that you're you're basically proving our point in all honesty because everybody the
average in the 95 percentile is 30 or above we're recommending 25 which is well below that the 85 percentile which is the majority of the people traveling are traveling at an average speed of 25 not 20 if we go by the 95 we should have
tell you 30 will be the PO speed okay okay so let's give an example basically proving this this Con okay okay so a very simple example okay so if you allow your teenage daughter to come back at home at 8:00 pm and she come back every night at
11: so maybe by the person you have to allow her to come every night at 10:30 p.m. because the limit that you are establishing is 8 p.m. to be home but she's coming every day at 11 at that point I'd have to take away her car or her phone
or I'd have some type of Parental Authority there right okay which is the point we can uh be right now congratulating like bad behavior so right now we have 20 m per hours people is going over 30 so what's going to
happen when we establish that is 25 miles per hour I will say this we are we would be happy to meet with your with with your staff the the residents wonderful in a in a public Workshop thank you it will be our pleasure to do
that um we're working towards a very technical approach to to this item and not only for this city but all the cities uh that's why our recommendation here is a 25 at this point but obviously we're open to listen thank you and to
hopefully come to an agreement um there are other traffic calming measures like Mr Arnie split and I think that that's the bigger conversation that we should have what else could we do as a city to to slow traffic down um so I think the city manager uh the staff can work
together with you to set something up that's going to be meaningful where we can have a a good long conversation and include the the residents to give their input because at workshops um there is no public comment um and then perhaps even before that all of us could submit
additional questions that we really would like you to dig into because you can hear there's a lot of passion on this de and and people rightfully so want to uh make sure that our residents are as safe as possible I want to make a request to roll over easy for the safety of our residents I want to make a
request I know that in in the workshops usually in discussion items we don't have public input but miss katti is here and she's been raising her hand and I think I would like to make a motion if it's necessary to hear what she has to say so U because K and I have actually
spoken about this you called I think I know what you're going to say so uh we don't have public comment and because you and I have discussed this and I see that you're here especially for this I would like you to come back when we have the longer conversation but just for the record I would like you just to say what
your personal experience just very um you know succinctly please H we need to get you um a mic though so one second we'll get one from from from media but no we're gonna get one from media but but in the meantime uh you know it's clear that that we're going to set
something up and uh potentially even uh if uh you're me able to have not just questions from us beforehand questions from the public so that we could have a a good conversation not sort of a back and forth kind of and and and I would like to get some information about the
other cities and uh how it's being managed but cat please go ahead and then we'll move on to the next item hi I just want to thank uh commissioner Fabiola for inviting me and I want to thank everyone else here for listening to me
so just briefly I want to say a few things on behalf of why this shouldn't happen as you can see I'm a person with a disability I'm very active in the community as a disability Advocate and I'm constantly I'm sure you guys have
seen me zipping around on the sidewalks going all different places to advocate for our needs and in two separate occasions eight years apart I was well in the first situation I actually was
hit by a car um and the person got out of their car and said sorry you're really low to the ground I didn't see you fast forward 8 years later a few weeks ago I'm coming back from the nail
salon because I had to prepare for another event that I was going to and the exact same thing happened at a different location at the municipality uh parking lot behind the Walgreens a huge SUV was coming out like
full force ahead and blaring music and I'm like trying so hard to get away from the car and he just kept on going and said the same exact thing to me sorry you're really low to the ground I didn't see you so whether the you know I know
you want to have a coordinance with all the other cities and everything but please take into account the residents of Sunny Isles when you're trying to enforce this because not only me having a disability but also you know children
on scooters and so forth they're lad of the ground as well and that's not okay for people to just keep using that as an excuse to drive recklessly on these small streets that we have that's definitely that's what I wanted to say there's no excuse there's no excuse for
that and I'm sorry that you'd have to go through that uh I'll be honest I didn't say this with regards to the scooters with regards to the the new forms of transportation that people are using it is an issue throughout the county something that we're dealing with now
it's there there are people that are using the sidewalks you know the scooters on a sidewalk and and that's an issue but the scooters should be on the road in all honesty they need to be on the road just like a cyclist just like a those new Cycles with battery power
things on them they're going 30 mil an hour right you know and that's a big issue disability there's a lot of issues with respect to sidewalks and accessibility and that's something that the Miami day County understands and we are working towards it slowly little by
little but that's a that is a major concern especially for that for and there are municipalities I wanted to just to to give you an idea the a lot of municipalities what they also do in addition to the traffic caling um you
know agreement that they can ER install without the county approval they ask Developers for example when you have a developer coming in this corner uh through the development process they ask a developer to build offside
improvements that the municipality needs so if you have identified okay I need um a mid block signal for pedestrian because it's a high uh you know uh highly pedestrian location so the
municipalities as a developer to to build it like in L of fees or whatever the the type of agreement that the soning has with the developers so that's another tool that the municipality can use no we we are aware of that we we we
use it so thank you uh but like I said we'll set something up if you can please include as you know come really prepared with uh with a lot of information so that we can have you know everyone from a very you different point of view uh ask questions and and have a meaningful
conversation um you know perhaps you know maybe it's not just us maybe everyone needs to go down to 20 miles per hour so that's the bigger conversation as well um so if you wanted to say one more thing I see you want to please and then we'll move on but you did mention something a little earlier you said that you want you were going to
prepare some questions for us that would be great if we could come you know already knowing some of those questions some of those answers uh we'd appreciate yeah we'll do our best to to make sure you have as many as possible thank you thank you very much thank you thanks for coming thank you thank you Mar we don't
roll over easy in Sunny Isles so you know thank you next item is 3B discussion regarding the Government Center Annex okay yes honorable mayor vice mayor commission um as you know we have been
working on the design for the annex it is currently out to bid the bid opens at the end of this month we are under a con silence so outside of this meeting you will not discuss it with anyone again um but I've invited Rick here to show you
what the architectural design is and see what it is that we're planning to build thank you Rick yes it'll be hello Rick good afternoon mayor commissioner City staff so we just wanted to show you our latest information on the annex since we're
hoping to get this on the March agenda for a Ward and then start shortly after um let's see which button works here so this is basically the the Tony Roma site layout of the building um with the offices and the
cafe space up front this is more of a perspective view off a colins a of what it's going to look this actually this is looking from our building across so you're looking at like the west side of the building in the back and the north
side um we also have plans to do a covered walkway between the buildings after we're done with this so that staff and um residents can move between buildings without being exposed to
weather but that'll be a separate project this is the interior Lobby uh as you enter the building um we have the reception area on the left here seating areas U for the residents that are
coming in for permitting this is as you enter the office space this is the uh conference rooms and perimeter offices around it this just shows you some P
perspective views of what we're doing there with some of the hallway areas you can see some of the cubicle setup s um some of the way the offices will be laid out within it keep in mind that some of
this stuff because it's renderings it's not specific finishes to to the product um the next thing we want to show you is a little uh kind of a flyth through of the building itself
so this will just progress and you'll see the uh you'll get an idea of how this is going to flow can this structure support a second floor have you discovered no cannot so this is coming through the main entrance
and the lobby area with the seating open windows for light outside light and as you come in there's another office there and then access this way back to the main offices then we have the double conference
[Music] rooms and then we have perimeter office space around the outside of the building we've got some different offices for the senior staff level we're you know we're going with
glass walls for the the openness and the open space the partitions are have glass tops so there's some better viewing there this goes through so on the right you have office space on the left it's more
inspector plan review stuff then we have what that was the call center area this is kind of the Corral layout of the inside of the office this is going up towards the front where the bathrooms are going to be this is
some of the file space we're going to have and then it's comes around and then you're exiting out the front again into the lobby so that's what we're planning to build for you okay thank you I'm going to start with commissioner Joseph if you had any
questions my only question was regarding um having the building itself be more useful but then Rick said that uh the pilings don't allow for a second floor okay commissioner ston vice mayor yeah can you remind me
of the max capacity for that building or the rendering that you just showed us I'm thinking we're in the 33 to 34 employee level mhm um I haven't seen that number in a
while so yeah yeah I I forgot too I though we we we talked about this we're up in that area we we've been making adjustments throughout but we're we were up in that zone 33 to 35 people probably but that building itself can hold more
people if we need to expend correct there's different things we I mean huh you can't go up what do you mean we can't go up add a story no no no I understand that but but right now what do we have 35 people that we're going to
like uh move there correct no we've got we we've basically space planted for the employees plus additional staff that we're planning on hiring so um we should
should pretty much fill it up once we build it okay um but it will be um at our maximum Staffing level our maximum so we're not we're not anticipating needing more people after this okay but my
question is let's say five years 10 years down the road we need to hire more people my question would be if we could get the number on the max capacity for that structure uh well we can always reconfigure it to get whatever we need so it would that would be part of it
that's what I'm trying to because you have to look at you have to look at the employees and then you have to look at what they're doing MH so if you wanted to add five more offices then that would be a major ad but if you wanted to add five plan
reviewers or five inspectors that's not a big as big an impact so and you also have to balance you know in the future you have to balance out with the the electronics were doing how much space you need for each position and task they're doing
so so so let's say right now we're planning for 35 people including the new hires right but if we wanted to go five years from now we want to go to 42 that could be done right yeah we have to re relook at the building and okay
decide that's what I wanted to know yeah yeah okay yeah it's the the improvements aren't like the whole inside area is not really s not really fixed with with the partitioned office spaces so there's flexibility there there's always
flexibility to modify the conference rooms um you know we have to we would look at the area we're using for intake the area we're looking for storage and how the different operations are working at that time okay all right thank you
commission mcar okay so two things I like the rendering uh it's very helpful I'm not a very visual person so uh to be able to see that it's nice and if we I'd like to probably I'll borrow it for the Academy when when you guys come down um
and the other question is more in terms of um of the accreditation process is is the do we is is this a um like step one getting the individual space is that step one for the
accreditation or are we are we under going other steps Rick is not involved in the accreditation process for the building department somebody else ask I can speak Dylan please go ahead okay so I've been here approximately nine months
and I've been working on it almost for nine months and we're at like the final stage of having all the paperwork together it'll be submitted they'll review it and then they're going to come for a couple weeks and see how the building department functions and we would like to have that accreditation before we move in oh okay so it's not
step one so that's good that's good okay so there's a lot of processes and we want to have that all in place so when we move over we're going to be fully functioning wonderful okay thank you thank you I I have a question perhaps is for the city manager I and and thank you for showing the rendering I agree with uh commissioner rcar it's very helpful I
understood from when we started these conversations that this was going to be really a state-of-the-art facility um and I'm not knocking the the the design but it just looks very very dated like it looks very much like any other office
um so is there going to be more to it um as far as a a more streamline and less having to sit in front of a window or are we looking at a very similar design to what we already have well I think what you're seeing is a is an overall schematic okay but yes
it is going to be a state-ofthe-art by the time that we're finished with it that was my question you'll be happy with it yes all right thank you thank you thank you right Maro next item is 3C a smart of use and
available features mayor vice mayor Commissioners um there was a request to better understand what smart gov users can um see and do through um now that everything is digital permitting um what
is available to the public what is available to a permit holder or property owner so paa VA is here to walk you through it thank you I think this was a request by commissioner davson I believe yeah please good afternoon honorable mayor City commissioners it is a
pleasure to be here this afternoon um I'm going to give you a demonstration of uh the permitting information that is a available uh to the uh general public on our website uh again this is uh access that people that do not have an account
with with in the system have access to so this is anyone uh who is not um that doesn't have an account in in the system this is just the general access that they would have so the first thing that they would have to do they will visit
visit our um website at si. goov uh they will scroll down to um the building permits they click building permits and right here they are in the building permit in uh page they will scroll to
where it says building permits online once they click building permits online it will take them to our permitting portal so once in the permitting portal and I'm transferring to training um uh once they're in the permitting portal uh
if they have an account with us they will go to here where it says my portal uh if they don't have an have an account but they just want a general permitting information that will just uh go here to the parcel search and for clarification my portal is for anyone that is doing
any sort of uh work or submitted any permits correct not someone that has signed up for karate class correct yes this is uh so smaro was just recently acquired by granas but we've been using smgov in the building department since 2013 okay it was just
recently purchased by Grano so when they see my portal is to get G it's a person that has an account and it's an owner or a contractor that has an account without to apply for permits but the general what I'm showing you right now is the access that the general public someone
that doesn't have an account has access to in the website okay okay so once they're here and they click on parcel information they uh start typing the address or the owner name so I'm going to uh start typing so if you click 1870 uh it starts populating the addresses
that we have with uh um that start with that I'm going to click on in the government center so uh here once they're in that address and you you click that address it gives you basic parcel information right here this information some of the information comes from the
property appraisers office uh here on the right you'll see the number of applications that they have uh for this parcel like in this uh example uh it's there they have 11 pending application 15 issued applications and 39 closed and
then for um the customer also has the opportunity to uh select the language that they want uh when you click on it it translates everything into the language that they that they wish to see the information on um if they click here on applications
they will take them to the list of permit applications that they have in the system um again you know I mean they can scroll down and they can see all the permit applications that have been uh submitted to the building department so if anyone has a question to whether um
someone has a permit or that doesn't have a permit has an application with a with the building department or they don't have an application with the building department by clicking the address if they see um if they don't see anything it means that nothing has been submitted to the building department but
here uh so if you see here in the section where it says application this is an example they see the permit number it says b 2025 38 it gives them the type of permit it gives them the uh the status of the permit in this case this first permit says awaiting correction
from applicant and it tells them one thing the application was submitted to us in this case this one was submitted 110 2025 and it also gives them a project description so uh like this first example says installation of nine impact
windows and one door and uh there are other statuses you know I mean that that an application could be uh at the state of ready to issue like for instance in this case this application is ready to to issue and we're just awaiting payment from the applicant
uh or the application is active and it will tell you if it's active will tell you when the permit was issued so it will give you a submitted date and an issued date and for example this next permit it will say that the permit is closed and it will give you the DAT that
the permit is was closed and if you press on the number yes so if you press on on uh the number it gives you again this is for the general public not for the person with an account uh in this case it gives them a uh the the current fees these fees are have not been paid
so it gives them that information here on the right hand side it tells them the information on the the status of the uh the permit uh the permit number and then uh they also have information contact information like the applicant who submitted the application and if we have
any information the ownership information is also there but why canot we see the application and all the annex to the application because that is available we're we're getting to that yeah I just want her to show you all now what we have available and then I'll
I'll tell you what we can do thank you thank you so this this uh if the person wants to go back to the uh parcel information and just they can also print this information so if you want to print the list of permits for that parcel you have that capability also to print that
information and um I'm going to uh pass it to Stan this is again this is general information that is given to the public that doesn't have anything uh any account with us set up in the in the system so let me ask you a question
one second commissioner um this is available right now yes okay because I uh and you know this I get calls where people ask what's going on with my um permit and I'm and I'm always thinking like why is it such a big uh mystery so they can go in and it will tell them
even without a a portal they would know what's that it has been paid or something along those lines okay all right Mr city manager please go ahead but before one question about the when you put the parcel number what about the court enforcement violations or whatever
Associated to the parcel I'm I'm I work in the building department my apologies I'm very familiar with the permitting side of it so I'm prepared to give you information on permitting okay all right go ahead Mr city manager okay just to answer the question you guys can have a seat thank you just to answer the question question
for code enforcement we do not have that availability yet online uh we're working on that um code enforcement is now separate from the smartgov system so we're looking at the
available I guess uh additional software applications that would link code enforcement so right now code is not available online so what we wanted to show you was I asked paa and Dylan to give you an overview of what the public
can see now because I've heard these same questions before I want to check an address you you can put an address in our system now you can pull up ownership information any of the pending applications and I ask paa to drill down
a little bit more so you can see some specifics so as part of that research we looked at other cities and what they can and what they don't provide so one of the issues that came up was I asked them to find out the availability of having
people's plans available online that is not an option for other cities that we check with now I know we also spoke about durm in the past durm does have a company that they contract with that provides information but that's for
exterior not for interior so the system does have the capability of providing additional information like the commission commissioner asked in terms of the applicant plans and various specific
details of let's say inspection results for example whether it passed or failed and whyde and why the portal that paa mentioned if you are an owner for those of you that have pulled permits before
the owner and the contractor has access to the portal which provides all of the detail that you've referenced in the past which is plans inspection results when things are submitted when they're due those
specific details are only available to the owner or contractor and before I give the floor one one second before I give the floor to commissioner stevon um how far back does this go the the historical information how far back will is the information kept so
uh 2013 is when we um started using smartgov you will find information prior to that because we migrated information it it might not be uh entirely all the information that uh we see on our side in in the in in the in the office uh
software but the the customer could see information from 2013 on and and I asked this question in just a hypothetical if someone is going to buy an apartment and they want to make sure that whatever work was done there was actually permitted they can only see it now back to
2013 otherwise correct please uh so um what they see at it's a 2013 on information however we have uh the service and because this building department since we the building department started in 1998 has gone
through several changes in softwares not everything gets migrated when we get a new software so those we have to do a search a manual search in in older systems to be able to Pro it's there somewhere correct going back to 98 correct anything prior to 98 is at the
county correct okay thank you commissioner ston you have the floor okay so um thank you for the presentation thank you very much I appreciate it however um if possible I would like to have a presentation from
Smart golf from the vendor to show what is it that they have the ability to provide okay so um anyway we are they're vendors already so there is not a conflict um like you were saying Stan uh
if you have an account and you are the owner you actually have the capability to see everything correct you can see uh the plans you can see the application the inspections and the results yes correct okay so the capability is there
it's just that we are not allowing the public in general to have access to it however if we go to Mauricio and we do a public request for that paral number for that specific unit or
whatever I believe Mauricio because it's public record am I correct yes so we have to present it or not it it is for the most part but maurici also does a review so if if I try to get building plans for the school here I can't get
that that's protected under Florida statute so so there's a human filter there that's able to decipher whether certain building plans or things that are may be Exempted do not get out yeah I know the school district had their own building department so yeah and for safety reasons also they cannot give it
but other than the school any uh parcel let's say I want to uh buy the house next door to me and I go and I do a public record request about all the applications plans inspections Etc will that be provided to me
that's my question again it depends on there's a variety of exemptions that may apply if it's a former police officer or something like that no there's certain things that may apply so generally if it's just you know generally from a
public Comm wanted to buy Jerry Joseph's house could she get all the information generally yes depending again exemption this software has a capability the information is subject to a public record request um
also that's what I want to have the presentation or have the ability to speak to the people of smart golf because I know that if you type the folio number also it will give you all the information of that specific unit because every unit has a one specific folio number like a tax ID social
security Etc um I hope that I'm wrong but I believe they should have the capability to put anything and everything Associated to the folio number meaning that any Court enforcement violation that the H the house had before or
active should be there and that is a request that I've been having continuously also um there is a building in the the East Side after that article in the newspaper people contact me like crazy saying I see cracks in here I see
cracks in there Etc has they've been requesting the the the Department to go into inspections Etc and they want to know if there is something open like a public like a code enforcement violation Etc uh and they have to go through Mauricio to find that which we are
paying for this software and the software had the capability when you put the folio number of seeing anything and everything Associated other than when is not breaking any law um that we have it
right now my question is why we are not providing that access to the public when they can access to a public record request go ahead mayor I think at the end of the day we don't need to have smartgov come in and do any presentation
we already know the system and what it can provide it can provide the additional things that you suggested with the exception of code enforcement code enforcement is not part of our software package that we have for smart G
so code enforcement would have to be integrated for us to allow that we can but it's not a be a best practice so we don't so in the end of the day it's a philosophical discussion for you all to
direct me as to what you want to have available I will tell you that of all of the other places we check they do not provide plans to people to review they also do not many of them do not provide
specific inspection results many of them provide the general overview that we do and I have a great concern in providing that information for our property owners for people to have the ease of sitting
at home looking through their neighbors records for lack of a better way of explaining okay but I leave that up to you all right I'm going to give someone else an um an opportunity uh vice mayor you have the floor no I don't have any questions no commissioner bcar I agree with the
concerns the city manager just expressed okay Mr Joseph for me I would like to see um code enforcement um you know what What complaints there are um and any uh fees
that might be opened if you're purchasing a property that should be um something that's on the record and I just wanted to clarify whenever someone because we we do process these almost daily so if somebody's purchasing a property in the
due diligence from the title company they will send us typically three letters one request is for any pending or open code violations that's number one number two any pending open and
closed building permits and then number three is typically any zoning open or pending issues so in terms of that diligence now that is part of the Title Company's um process okay okay so if I
may um I continue when to see what smart gol wants to see what want the capabilities um I think doesn't make any sense that we have to approve to buy this software from them but we cannot hear from them what is the product that
we are buying and it's nothing about trust I Trust You guys fully but again it's like you guys are telling me buy this car but you're not telling me if it's two doors four door six door just give me the check and we'll give you the car I don't like that I think that is a
lack of transparency uh and then it brings a lot of questions so I don't see what is the secrecy about smart golf um if they're not going to give us presentation I will contact them them directly and then I guess I have to bring another discussion
item and and bring what I find out about them or from them I don't believe I need to do that and that is what you guys are here to do to do so uh again I would like to have a presentation from Smart golf I want to see if we are approving
the money that we're spending which is a sust substantially like a big amount of money um I want to know what is that we are buying what is the secrecy and the other thing that is against transparency is that um if is subject to a public
record request should be available for the for the people like I I understand but some of the the argument is like if you put almost any personal number right now or any property address you can find the plans
online because they put them online when they are being for sale so I I I again I just don't understand what is that we're trying to protect here and as always we are going to take people's rights because maybe there is somebody that you
say in the basement that is going to be using that for bad I think we have a lot of experience here that there is a lot of people which they don't need to have even the facts to do misinformation and disinformation so I I again I just don't
see the logic that we are paying for that the people have the right to have that access and we are choosing not to give them the right to do it to have it um before you you go on I'm I want to
say that uh on the record I I do agree with commissioner vascara and and following the the manager's uh recommendation only because I don't see a big value in providing all all that information I've never been contacted
asked for it and I I do think that if if it's available um and somebody needs it they can get it fairly easily uh I don't think that it's necessarily someone sitting in a basement doing anything nefarious I just think that there's a privacy issue um and there's an
expectation of privacy what with your question of what uh the application provides uh is that something Mr city manager you can just give us a list of short of having to get a presentation I don't I don't understand what the the request for the presentation is versus
is what we currently have well that's kind of my point um I've showed you what is available to the public now so is there something else you would like to see that we don't provide and that's part of it the second
part of it is I think I shared that it's a best practice amongst building departments to share the information that we have in terms of smart go They're not going to tell you anything more than what I'm telling you now which is that yes there are capabilities of
providing additional information I'm telling you that this is what I feel is the best practice for us to provide if you want something different you don't need to talk to smartgov you can just tell me what that is and we can provide it I'm just
recommending uh against providing anything more than we already do but the thing is that we don't even know what to request from you because we don't have in front of us what are the products that they they what they're capable of so so we don't have a menu of options of what of what is it that they can do so
which is my point I don't understand if we have to approve to pay for it if we are buying the product on behalf of the of the people why can we not see what is that that we're buying I think that the city manager can provide that but I'd like to also just get the opinion of um
the City attorney as to best practices and then I think that vice mayor changed his mind and would like to yeah okay so let let's hear from the attorney first please well from legal standpoint the only thing that stands out is again some of the concern with with not so much privacy but unfortunately as an attorney
I live in Dark Places and um look at scenarios you know differently but especially with the larger structures like let's say aqualina or porsch building you know if you have somebody that can peruse the building plans at the Leisure at their Leisure from home
Ingress eess uh water supply I want to burn I want to set fire to that building I know exactly where all the water lines are what I need to do it's just those types of things is it something that somebody can come knocking on your door here and try to
get potentially but just to have that available at anybody's disposal may be an issue and then the only other thing is I don't know from a capability standpoint to the extent that plans are available that they if there are Exempted plans or
Exempted locations uh whether it's a day care whether it's that within a particular facility or whatever it may be that I don't know that our systems would be able to recognize that as an exemption
okay Vice May yeah I I I agree with that statement um for security reasons better safe than sorry uh you never know nowadays what could happen and uh regarding smart goov I think that if we wanted to have let's say a lunch and
learn from a smart go of a zoom lunch and learn you know perhaps uh each of us can have the ability to to to have a zoom where they could just tell us about the software um maybe I don't want one but maybe that
should be the decision of each uh of the uh of the Commissioners um I'm not interested personally but if I wanted to I'd like to have that choice commissioner Mard did you want to add something I just think that there's the you there's transparency but there's
limits to that there's because then you you go into irresponsible and I think we need to air on the side of caution thank you Mr Joseph did you want anything to add no I agree that there are certain security issues that have to
be considered uh we live in a crazy world these days and um I believe we have to caution on the side um for security yes sir and and that's what I do with all of you I know i' I've had discussions with you where
you may have asked me for a request for something and I've asked you to do a public records request so I feel from my perspective as a manager I'm ultimately looking out for the safety of our residents I'm very concerned with
sharing any of your or our residents information so in terms of doing this I wanted the presentation for the Comm commissioner to show and explain that yes smartgov does have additional capabilities but in terms of trying to
streamline what it is you're looking for from me if there's something that you didn't see that paa presented that you would like to see if you share with me then I'm sure I can make that happen I'm just not aware of anything in addition
to what you've already seen that members of the public would need other than going through the process which would be through the city clerk okay thank you okay Maro next item next item is 3D
excuse me 3E a discussion regarding adult use of the spot yes Joseph this is your item so this is my item and I've had discussions with uh the city manager and assistant City Manager for many months this um in dis uh discussing the
uh use of the spot for morning hours uh we have many residents in Golden Shores on the north side of the city um and throughout the city um and considering that the spot has been uh
done up so nicely and well and suited for as a meeting place for adults um in the mornings and I was told that it would just require one uh supervisory person um that we could have
this meeting place for our residents to get together to play board games to watch the news um uh have coffee so I believe that that's something for consideration and
I'm asking that that be allowed I know in the summer we have uh the use uh for all hours throughout the day so this would basically be for adult resident
use from January till uh May 31st if I can just give an overview this was commissioner stant's initiative to create the teen center and so our whole
sole Focus has been on building a space you know strictly for teens and their use primarily and only so in terms of the adult programming or the senior programming if you will we have a
lot of that programming that takes place at Gateway so I think two parts of this first would be we don't have the available Staffing so we would need to only one person I was told that it would need we would
need some staffing there and then I don't want to compete with our existing programs at Gateway and then I guess followed by is this something that the commission is amable to doing I'm consistently I'd say on a weekly basis
contacted by people asking me to rent space there which it's been designated as our teen center so I've expressed to them that that's not permissible to rent the space and other people wanting to hold
some sort of service there yes I understand that but that's not the case that's not my telling you the right the feedback from what I've heard but ultimately if you all discuss it and direct us to do something along those lines then we will okay if I could just add one thing
please go ahead yes so we have this building that is set up it has a ping pong tables it has tables for board games for adults um it could be used for chess Checkers in the morning uh you have televisions for people to relax and
watch the news as a Gathering Spot there's no U I'm not asking for cooking classes or exercise classes it's for the a building to be used the way it is with just one supervisory person um to watch
that if you have uh coffee for people that they don't end up taking all of these uh coffee U uh pods yeah pods home like we had at Gateway unfortunately but um so that's basically it's just a
matter of one supervisory person which I understand that's possible and for just to open the doors on a building that is already being air conditioned just for people to walk in as a gathering place
until um it's used at uh if it's uh opens up for teens at 1:00 so to close it at 12 so from 9 to 12 3 hours in the morning for public use of for adults uh
that would be something that I've had so many hundreds of people asking me for since uh the building opened and there's no loss to the city except for one supervisory person and uh it would be to the Delight of every
resident okay did um anyone speak yet commissioner viscar did you want to add anything or have any questions yeah I don't I don't like it um we do have a designated teen space I mean the designated teen space is something we've been talking about since
we were figuring out what to do with Gateway originally those conversations like well maybe we'll we'll we'll put the seniors here we'll put the teens there uh the seniors got their space it's beautiful and then the teens were still left out and finally we we were
able to to get the spot um I'm I'm very happy with with the spot and the way that it is so so um I know it's not a huge imposition but Gateway is designed for that if it's a matter of checkers and we don't have Checkers in Gateway we can
buy a checkers board or whatever and and if there's other things that are not being provided in Gateway we can provide that at Gateway which is properly staffed and have the seniors in their space and leave the teen space for
the teens um this is excuse me not a distance issue it's like well you know we've had this conversation before up here yes we have and yes we've had it maybe not in this detail but we've had it and I recall you saying oh it's all the way you know over there it's Sun
Al's Beach nothing is all the way over there it's it's we're we're not that big so it's not a huge effort to go even if you're at one end of the city Gateway is in the middle it's not a it's not a huge effort to get over there if it's you
know we have shuttles we have options but building sitting commissioner viscar has the floor let speak think we need to leave it alone leave it alone and encourage these people who would like to be there in the morning to go to Gateway which is created for them this is not
commissioner Joseph let let everyone else speak first I'm done I don't support the idea vice mayor yeah so so so question um what are the uh current times for the uh for the
spot 3 to8 3 to8 okay I'm looking at Colin Friday is different 3 to 7 Uh current hours of the spot are Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday 3: to
7:30 Fridays were open till 9: okay thank you Friday open till 9: okay okay I mean so so obviously you know the the the space is there um the times could work okay my question would be
let's say you know let's imagine if if we can make this work the my question would be is the building because the building's been designed for teens would it be able to house uh seniors or adult people you know and my problem with be
are we going to have to have two types of setups one in the morning and one in the afternoon 14 teens I mean from a implementation standpoint is it going to work are the are the seniors going to get to that to that I mean I'm open to
it Jerry don't get me wrong I'm just trying to picture once this is implemented are they going to get to a building where they're going to be sitting around and they're not going to play you know Xbox or they're not going to play PlayStation and everything is
designed around teens and I think that needs to be Paramount because the spot is for teens now if we wanted to use it you know have a double use for it it it's fine but we need to keep in mind one is Staffing and the other one is it
needs to be designed so the functionality can serve what you're trying to propose so I've been I've had adults res students go over there they see the setup it has tables which are
tables large enough for game boards which is all these residents are looking for and a meeting place to meet chat uh you have the the televisions the uh video that's there you can watch
television yes okay so I have hundreds of people that not only just to walk over okay from the entire North End of the city you have a vacant a building that's vacant until 3: in the afternoon
that you have air conditioning running okay the air conditioning still runs correct yes okay so to go meet in the morning until whatever hour you say one person to supervis that there's no abuse okay
these are adults with hopefully better Behavior Behavior than the kids so there's no um you know thought that there's going to be any type of stealing or missing equipment or anything so it's just I have residents asking for use of
the space not for just for getting together a meeting place no prayers no anything like stand has been approached for this is just residents to enjoy the space as is is to meet and
enjoy here you have a ping pong table I don't care how old you are yeah ping pong is ping pong okay you have tables set up for board games okay if they're not board games there then people can bring their own board games and play
with their friends okay either uh majan or you know Paco or whatever you know that they want to play and it's just a meeting place that is vacant until now I understood it was one but now I understand it's three so it even makes
more sense to have a vacant building that and I understand it's mostly set up for teens but there's no additional setup required you have the couches that residents can talk and watch television if they desire to play board games to
have coffee and sit and speak with their friends play ping pong and you have a usable building for the entire day commissioner St that we're paying for anyway so um I I see where you're coming from um and we've had that request from hundreds of people I have not had that
request not from one person maybe you haven't asked so um I and I see what you're saying because it is much more convenient to have something on the North side uh but I also see what commissioner vcar is saying and you you pointed out um vice mayor if I start
going to a facility that's made for teens and it starts it's normalized that it's also for adults I'm going to start as an adult saying well wait a second this couch is kind of low and it's not very comfortable why don't we add something that's going to be more suitable for me it's natural you're going to naturally want to have things
that seem that are more suitable for you um if anything that this discussion has really brought to light is I I don't know why we're not open on the weekends for the teens because it seems like that's uh even more important but that's not part of this discussion I know um so
I I'm not decided on this really I I'm I lean more towards the Gateway was built for the seniors for the adults we've been very very clear that we do not want to have teens children anywhere Gateway I'd like to have this as their space if anything I'd like to just even even in
add to the time that they have it available but you understand until 3:00 the building is vacant right what I'm saying is that maybe it should be opened up earlier for the for because we have high school students that get home much sooner you have the kids that skip school too you know so well let's not
we're not going to say so I I think if if Gateway was was was not an alternative I I would say okay you know let's maximize the use of the space but Gateway is there what is Gateway you have an exercise room and then well
perhaps we should add to Gateway then that's the point if we need it's for that population if there's things that's missing if a ping pong table is is is is what what uh seniors are are asking for we can put that in Gateway if Checkers
is what's missing we can put that in Gateway and and respect the space of of the teens even though I know they're not there in the morning but just I hadn't even thought about the furniture I just feel it took us so long to to get
something just for the teens and Gateway is is really ex you know you have the the set programming but it has the tables we have the big room the tables are there there there's a TV there these are different programs there this is we're
not asking you're not asking for programming is my point you're not asking for programming you're asking for sitting around and board games and coffee those tables exist at Gateway the coffee exists at Gateway the TV but you're forcing people from the north to when they can walk forcing anybody they
can go on the shuttle and they can drive there and it's a very short drive commissioner Joseph let let her narrow minded for the residents this is this is It's you're not being open-minded for residents but I I I I think I've made my
point you you have vice mayor did you want to add something yeah I mean obviously we' like to leverage that that space uh more you know because um it'll be available I mean it'll be empty in the morning until until 2:30 3
pm. and I like to to see that I'm open to it but my question is okay will it work right how can we make it work so we'll if we want to get this done we'll have to continue discussions because you know it's been set up for teens and um
we'll have to see how it could be have that dual role why don't you try and see what the response is no but I think we need to give it more thought is what I'm trying to say and see how we could because you just don't want to have a space where maybe some of the older
folks in the in in the city will be like uh you know what this is really not doing anything for me it's not catered to me so then we discontinu it yeah but I mean if we're going to do it let's let's think about it and and and if we want to have it have that dual
role I'm open to it is what I'm trying to say but we need to be very careful I don't think it's just let's open the door in the morning it's going to be for older people and in the afternoon is going to be for teens then what's going to happen if we try to kick out the older people cuz the teens are coming in
and they say well I'm a resident I pay taxes theys so we need to be there's a lot of I think that the what the vice mayor is saying is that it's it's not as as simple um potential but we don't we we set what we're trying to say is that
it isn't so how how about this um because the spirit of your request is heard I understand what you're saying so perhaps there is a consensus that the staff can look at what else could we be doing a Gateway that we're not and then if we were to open up the spot for any
amount of time for adults uh would you recommend that and if you did recommend that what is it that you would need I for you know especially now talking more I'm I'm leading really not to but um you live in Golden Shores you these are your
residents as well I all the residents are are my residents and and really if anything I don't want let me finish please let me finish the point is is that it this is something that should be available to everyone not just golden shs obviously so wait a second talking
about end of the city stop walking what vice mayor is saying that I agree with you have to take into consideration what everybody would want and once you open that door to the adults can use it someone from somewhere else in the city may say well wait a second I I'd like to
be able to do yoga here or I like the point is is that it's not that simple but it's not that that is not available I understand that that's available Gateway so go to Gateway yes I know that thank you thank you okay all
right so Fabiola do you have any no I don't have anything so you're not so what is your feeling on allowing it or not see no problem well then being used by everybody okay okay thank
you well actually I brought this up to have it move forward not to have it just die well it's not dying but what is happening how are we moving forward with it so we are asking the staff to come up with a recommendation of what they think we can
do to make this happen or not happen and if it did what would be required okay so is this going to go on for six months or what what is the time frame for the recommendation how much time to have an
answer as to whether add so um a budget amendment would be required and that's two readings so at best if we have a recommendation to move this forward we could have two readings one in March and one in April and then would have to try to get the Staffing up to be
able to do that it's not just one supervisor I need janitorial to go in and clean and reset the room um which we don't have at that time of day currently so um we would have to take all that into consideration based on that timing I would recommend that if this is going
to move forward it would be in September after summer camp because it's not just summer camp we have to go in and set up and there's special things that get done in advance both at Pelican and there um to prepare for summer camp So based on
the timing with two budget readings but I think that's what that's the request is to just put together a memo that talks about everything that you've just said and and what a timeline would look like and the um the sort of the pros and cons and you've heard everybody's statements sort of incorporate that
please yes ma'am okay thank you next item is yours M Joseph yes okay so we've had a request for presentation by Ela barami and this is regarding uh the
Banning of Plastics in the city and she has a presentation that I would like to have her come up and present mayor uh couple things I I don't think we allow presentations in two um you're preempted
by Florida law from Banning any sort of plastics well you're completely preempted well this is uh as a okay so hold on a second I I know what you're trying to do and I and I appreciate that um and we we have someone in the audience that's been waiting and
normally I don't allow presentations but um I will allow you to please come up and speak and then I would like to just hear from the city attorney attorney so you have an understanding of our um Although our position our personal position may be one what we can and cannot do is another but please come
up thank you appreciate it hi good evening mayor Commissioners and fellow residents of Sunny Al Beach thank you for your time here today my name is elica barami and I'm here today along with Dr Joseph solak because we
believe in a cleaner more sustainable future for our city plastic pollution as you know is a problem and we cannot we can no longer ignore it our beautiful beaches parks and waterways are constantly littered with plastic waste especially plastic bags which harm
marine life pollute our environment and contribute to the growing Global crisis of plastic pollution this is an issue I have been passionate about for a long time as a student at M FIU I've taken action by launching the band the plastic initiative at my school where I'm
working to eliminate plastic trash bags plastic IDs and plastic ID covers but I know this this problem extends far beyond my school that's why I'm here today to ask for your support in making Sunny Al's Beach a leader in sustainability other places such as
Canada and several countries in Europe have already taken steps to ban plastic bags and replace them with biodegradable or reusable Alternatives these are a couple of samples brought by Dr solik this is from Shoppers Drug Mart we have Walmart this is Canada store and
Dollarama as well um so if they can do it why can't we by switching to sustainable options we can protect our environment while still providing convenient solutions for businesses and residents I am fully
aware of the legal challenges Florida has when it comes to banning plastic bags but I am willing to take that fight on with the support of vice mayor llama and commissioner Joseph I have already reached out to organizations like the Surf Rider Foundation to explore ways to
move forward however I cannot do this alone I need the support of this community our local leaders business owners and residents to make meaningful change this fight isn't just about today it's about the future it's about the Next Generation the children's growing up growing up in Sunny Al's Beach who
deserve clean parks healthy oceans and a city that prioritizes their well-being and convenience if we continue down this path of excessive plastic waste they will be the ones dealing with the consequences they will be the ones swimming in polluted Waters and watching
Wildlife suffer because of choices we made today we owe it to them to do better that is why I am here standing before you asking for your guidance and your support As Leaders decision makers and members of this community you have the power to make real change I may be
young but I am determined I am ready to fight for a plastic free future but I cannot do it alone I need you your experience your wisdom and your willingness to take this issue seriously we have an opportunity to set an example
for other cities in Florida let's work together to reduce plastic waste protect our environment and keep Sunny Al's Beach beautiful for generations to come I am committed to this cause but I cannot not do it alone I need your help I ask you our city leaders residents and
business owners to stand with me in this fight let's make Sunny's Beach a city that leads by example a city that protects its environment for the children who will inherit it thank you thank you so much really well thank [Applause] you thank
you okay commission Jose you want to add anything to that well I I think in support uh we could uh you could have a seat thank you we could draft the resolution if uh depending upon how the commission feels about uh Plastics in our environment okay so I'll throw it up
to the uh commission I'd like to hear from the city attorney because I think we've had this conversation in past years and and how we you know personally feel about this as one yeah local local governments have been trying this since I think 2008 and we're still preempted by the state from enacting any
regulations any rules any policies with regards to plastic bags in particular but also um uh other types of containers that are made out of uh single use Plastics well I know unfortunately
president Trump is now um he's said he's uh back on plastic straws so you know now as you know as you've done with polystyrene and certain other things um on city property or by City vendors you can certainly do that which you've
already done with done that right straws and things of that so so you can do that from a non-regulatory standpoint but from a regulatory standpoint unfortunately and and many cities have tried including beachfront communities but uh so far the Florida legislature
hasn't budged yeah I I can say that um when this conversation started um getting um more steam um the idea was to uh incentivize the bigger businesses like um and uh stores like Publix and
mil and they have done extra I know that they recycle their bags um I personally I've said this many times I I take paper with me or reusable bags I take this very seriously cost bags or not to knock not to whichever the the point is is
that um to the attorney's um point it's something that we cannot regulate um however um I would be very supportive of helping you you know get the attention of any anyone at the state level you
know what our our um Senator pizo is actual resident here um you know this is something that he I'm sure would be very happy to speak to you about it in a really Frank way so that you're not spinning your wheels uh but I I love your enthusiasm you're a really great speaker it's it's really nice to have um
you know someone like you representing s's Beach at Mass but I'd like to hear from the rest of the commission um mared yeah I mean unfortunately we're you know we're dependent on the decisions from the uh from the state and
um it's been tried before so this is a long-term fight I think that you know talking to different organizations that have lobbyist in in um in Tallahassee that can put that pressure and obviously
you could count on on on me and on us to to put that pressure on on the state legislature uh also we'll need to recruit um you know uh our Representatives uh for this area uh
state senator and uh our representative House of Representatives representative to be able to help us navigate this so definitely you know we appreciate you being here and your
efforts uh it is a great effort because you know we need to take care of our environment so yeah is this is just a start because it's been tried for a long time and we got to keep trying until
it's done so yeah you could count on me commission viscar I just want to commend you it's it takes courage to come up here and no matter how much you practice or how many times you said it in other places it's always um it always takes courage to
stand up and and and speak publicly and certainly about uh you know things that are important to you uh the city H has engaged in these conversations before in fact we have exhibit a here we have like our ecological our EC committed and we reuse our cups it's always our same cups
it has our names on it uh in the in our kitchens we you know we have the styrofoam we're not supposed to have um styrofoam like in terms of what the city purchases we've taken that step and but but yes unfortunately like the the word of the day is preemption and uh the
higher ups have already blocked us on on some of that that's not to say that it's not worth fighting and I think uh you're being offered um you're going to find nothing but support um so part of the Civic engagement homework is you've already done it you know reach out and
and um we all have know different people we all have different contacts and however we can be of help I think you'll find it here absolutely congratulations Mama too you sheu with my son with Sebastian and I
see her growing and I'm so proud to see you talking on behalf of of of all the young however um next year you're going to be voting age and that means you have that a lot of power in the Young Generation to go when the politicians
come asking for your vote ask them Point black what are you going to do about this you know so that next year when there is going to be a county Comm Mission U election there is going to be also our state Representative election and many other elections including for
the governor of the state of Florida so it's good for you to go with the young people and like everybody said you're an amazing speaker and I know you're a leader between the people in your age and go and tell them this is what we want and basically push them to go into
that direction so you do have that power because every one of all elected official that we are here we got elected by the people so that's one of the powers that you do have and um is through the America we are behind places
like Canada and also like Europe I just came from Europe I spend some time there and you are just programed that if you are going to the supermarket or just go out in general you have your own little bags inside your bag so whenever you're
coming back you can put it put it there so they don't even offer many places just like Costco that they don't even offer a uh plastic bag uh but you can buy from them so it's a culture thing and I think we can move in the right direction with people like you uh being
leaders of that movement and like I said you know you have the power once you you can vote and you can hold those um politicians accountable if they promise one thing and they do the the the opposite anything I can do to help let me know and I'll be there
for you anything you know at any point in any time and I take it a little step forward I use metal you know met water bot is a big one because I like to drink a lot of water and we can all do our little bit uh maybe we can start doing
more in our city and anything legal or that the staff can recommend uh thank you for pushing Us in that direction okay thank you thank you you want to close on your item commissioner Joseph so you you've done a great job but I just want to tell you that once you get
into the science of plastics and all there's uh so much more and there are so many studies on uh how plastic cans are lined with plastics and how um all of our foods have Plastics Le leeching into
them even these uh these plastic cups as uh time goes on plastic is leeching into the water that we're drinking these these plastic bottles that we're drinking water from uh our body is just there was a study last week I believe
that our kidneys and all have plastic residue that they're discovering so and uh getting into fish brains from uh Plastics in the ocean and it's just we're eating it and it's we're actually
killing ourselves with these Plastics So yeah thank you if we don't do something over time as just going to accumulate more and more so thank you for what you're doing thank you very much okay uh I think that was our last there's no
public comment no no no comment no comment you no you come at 6:30 okay okay no no no no not now thank you uh city clerk there's nothing else okay with that adjourn please come back at
6:30 but if you want to tell us something right now after this meeting you can okay