all right Good evening everyone It is 6:33 I call the meeting to order Vice Mayor Lama here Commissioner Joseph present Commissioner Styverson here
Commissioner Viscaro here Mayor Fetchin here All members present ma'am Okay great Um start with the pledge of allegiance Could we first say something about the uh I will do pledge of allegiance first Okay Um Lou would you
like to lead us in the pledge of allegiance I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and
justice for all Thank you Um we usually have an invocation We don't today but I would just like to have a moment of silence for um the victims their families and those that are injured um at FSU today
can just all have a moment Thank you Mauricio Okay Um first item on the agenda is approval of the minutes Um this is for the regular city commission meetings of
January 16th February 20th March 20th and the special commission meeting on April 3rd Okay Can I get a motion I'll make a motion Second Okay All in favor Um opening statement Mauricio Yes
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correct Yes ma'am Okay Wonderful All right Go ahead Okay Okay So first section is the order of business There are only two revisions to the agenda Um there was uh the ordinance that was
provided for nine excuse me 6B and then the resolution for uh I'm sorry I had it here for the FDOT item um was revised to include language that the city is seeking to terminate the
existing agreement with FDOT Okay Okay So I just need a a motion to approve those I have a motion please So moved Second Second All in favor Okay Right Thank you So we are on to uh
section five zoning and I'll read the introductory statement Ladies and gentlemen this evening's agenda has two zoning applications In these matters the commission sits in a quasi judicial capacity The decision of whether or not to approve a zoning variance is not a
popularity contest but must be based upon substantial competent evidence as it is presented tonight If you intend to provide testimony on any zoning application you must be sworn in by the city clerk and you should also fill out a public speaker card and give it to the city clerk before the item is called We
will first hear from city staff and then from the applicant After this I'll the mayor will allow anyone from the audience who has been sworn in to provide testimony The zoning applicant has the right to cross-examine any witnesses and for rebuttal Please make
sure that your comments are concise So the preamble excuse me So in accordance with the LDRs of the city of Sunny Als Beach all notices regarding this item have been posted on the properties and published in the
adequate notices Um anyone wishes to speak please raise your right arm to be sworn in Anyone else Okay Do you swear the testimony you're about to give is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth So help you God Thank you
So item 5A is a request of Ve Florida Realy for site plan modification balcony enclosure for the property located at 17749 Collins Avenue unit 402 Um and city clerk could you please uh
read the companion item 9A for the TDRs Yes thank you 9 A is a resolution approving the purchase and assignment of transfer of development rights in the amount of 313 square feet of floor area ratio and zero dwelling dwelling units from the city's
public TDR bank account to VV Florida realy LLC and before Amy starts are there any exarty communications for this item no no thank you okay uh good evening mayor vice mayor and commissioners this is application PZ
202506 for a balcony enclosure at the mansions at Aqualina project specifically for unit 402 Um the request is to modify the approved site plan for the mansions and to purchase and assign transfer of development rights from the city's public TDR bank account to increase the
floor area of unit 402 by 313 square ft The price for purchasing the TDRs will be a total of $39,125 Uh the site plan modification will increase the overall floor area of the mansions at Aqualina Development from
435,386 ft to 435,699 square ft Here is the existing floor plan for unit 402 and highlighted in the bottom left is where the western balcony is currently located
And this is the proposed floor plan which will convert the balcony into a bedroom If this application is approved the remaining floor area available for purchase through the TDRs for the mansions at Aqualina is 92,492 ft so additional balconies can
continue to be enclosed should they be requested Uh this request is consistent with the comprehensive plan and land development regulations and I am available if you have any questions Okay Anyone have questions from the committee No No Straightforward Okay
I'll take a motion Motion Okay Mauricio Oh okay All in favor I All right Next item Next item is 5B Request of UDA Gabby for variances for a single family
home located at 2011 189 Terrace Okay Uh this application is PZ 2022504 for variances related to a new single family home located at 201189 Terrace Um the applicant is the owner Yehuda Gave and the property is
7,933 ft in size and is zoned R1 The site is currently vacant and it is a corner lot um with frontage on Atlantic Boulevard and 189 Terrace The requested variances are related to the construction of a new single family
home That's not my presentation The application contains six variance requests Um and I'll briefly walk through each of them The first is to consider the widest street frontage as the front lot line instead of the narrowest This will result in the home facing Atlantic Boulevard instead of 189
Terrace and the front setback will be established on Atlantic Boulevard The second variance is to reduce the street side pool setback on 189 Terrace from 17 ft to 4t and 11 in And the remaining
four variances are all related to roof overhangs um specifically to allow the roof overhangs to encroach into the front yard by four feet 10 inches the street sideyard by three feet and the rear yard by two feet and the side yard
by 4 feet Um I do have a different presentation um that has photos I would like to display Um I wanted to show pictures of the ride ofway of the project So the property's frontage on Atlantic Avenue In that rideway there's different um rideofway
elements like there's a street light a fire hydrant um some electrical and meter boxes and it's not part of the variance request but I just wanted to put this on the record for transparency purposes that if the variance is approved for the home to face Atlantic Boulevard then
during the peritting process the driveway will not be able to interfere with any of these rightway elements So it's not part of the variance application but I just wanted to place that on the record and display this photograph Can you explain that please Those are on Atlantic Yes So this is
Atlantic Boulevard This is the um property's eastern property line where the fence is So between the fence and the road pavement there's a street light There's different electrical transformer boxes and a fire hydrant And the
driveway will not be able to inter impede with any of these elements So that comment would need to be addressed during the permitting process and they want the front of the house to be like behind that lamp post Uh that's right Yeah the house would be facing this street Okay Should that variance request
be approved Okay Okay And this is the um front elevation and highlighted in red are the roof overhangs So finally um this request is not consistent with the land development regulations Uh there are seven specific
criteria in the code that variance applications must meet which are related to hardships and special conditions related to the property Uh this application does not meet the seven criteria as a new home can be reasonably constructed on the property and meet the
existing regulations However that said granting the variance is not injurious to the neighborhood and would not otherwise be detrimental to public safety and welfare and would not substantially diminish or impair property values within the vicinity Um with that I'm available if you have
questions So um we talked about this during the um the workshop but I I wanted to again have for the people that are here have have this conversation So what is the reasoning behind not
allowing a the the entrance on Atlantic What was the thinking before Sure So that's because of the definition of front lot line and that's really a planning tool to make sure that when you're creating new subdivisions and building new single family home developments that all of the homes are
oriented the same way In this specific area in Golden Shores um the corner lot properties many of them were built prior to incorporation of the city Some of them face Atlantic some of them face the internal side streets So there's kind of a mix currently in Golden Shores but
that's the reason for that regulation And the house that's across from them is facing which way Um to the south is facing Atlantic and the house to the north is facing Atlantic Okay And to the to the
east here I have a aerial All right Okay Perfect That's And to the east are the Atlantic 15 which are all facing Atlantic Mhm Okay And those are all rentals No they're not Um Okay Uh Commissioner Riskar did you want to go
first since you um the first questions I think the applicant presents next Did the applicant want to speak something Yeah Yes Okay Uh basically uh we would like to report the variance um since um because uh the
condition is happening already in some of the dots around the area Sorry we can't hear you I'm so sorry I was too far away That's much better Thank you And I'm sorry Can you give your name And my name is Maria Troes uh from Toma
Design Group We are the firm who is designing this project Um regarding the first variance uh as I was telling you um we would like to request uh this because the client uh wants to orient
the more important spaces of the house towards the south side of of of the property Uh so the more convenient location for the entrance is going to be facing Atlantic And since this condition is happening already in some lots in the
area um and is not detrimental to the neighbors h we would like to request uh the redefinition of the or to allow the whitest side of the law to be the front uh side of uh our project
Okay Commissioner Viscar do you want to start with some questions No For for the applicant No I don't have any questions No but for for Amy excuse me You have any questions I don't have any question Oh okay No Commissioner Joseph No I don't have any questions
Commissioner Suben are we going variance by variance or we can go I'll have any questions regarding Would you mind coming so that we have clarification if you don't mind So in order because we
talked about this during the the agenda review but um so we're voting for all six variances or one by one How is this going to be decided Please there's technically only one vote but you can all discuss
as as uh planning and zoning director had explained in some of the one-on-one meetings Obviously all of them are predicated on the first one with the orientation They they all trickle down after that So obviously you can all discuss them separately initially I mean
at some point you'll have one vote on one resolution and you can tell us So if there's only three of them that are approved Got it So we'll modify the resolution as needed but it'll be essentially one vote Okay Well we should discuss them separately so we have clarity All right So I'll start with the
with the um with the front um entrance I'm I'm supportive of that because I think it does make sense for for that um part of the neighborhood U frankly for anything that's facing um Atlantic should probably be facing that way if they so choose Um my concern is with the
pool setback Um took it down Can I see it back up Yeah Thank you Um no better this way the pull setback and and how when when we have
the front now facing Atlantic it changes the setback to the neighbors um to the north Um have they given you any indication that they have any um issues with this Has anyone reached out to them since it's going to be so much closer
The city has not received any communication I'm not sure Not the city I don't mean the city the the applicant ha have has the applicant spoken to the neighbors to the north uh because changing the orientation of the entrance in effect allows for uh less of a
setback um now because it's going to be the side rather than the backyard Correct Yes Correct Uh we have not contacted the neighbors uh to um expose this situation Uh but
um I mean uh the reason we want to locate the pool at this area is because that's the preferred location and it's going to provide more privacy to our client to have the pool deck in
the side where there's no neighbor So I don't think uh it's going to be disturbing for the neighbor and the other side of of No my point is that now where you're going to have the AC units and have um those items they are going to be much closer to the neighbor to the north because the setback is different
Oh okay Do you see what I'm saying So if once the entrance changes to the front now the setback to the north is shorter Yeah Yeah Yeah So the house is then in effect Well if if if the neighbor has a problem with that we don't have any problem to relocate the machines to a
quieter area Yeah Okay Um anyone else Yeah I I I have a question It's regarding the pool too Um you mentioned privacy Obviously you know there there's privacy concerns but having the pool
there as well I think there's privacy concerns there because obviously people are probably going to be walking around A lot of people walk around that neighborhood and it could be accessible to somebody that may see that there's a pool there So
did the owner ever consider perhaps placing the pool on the other side the the opposite side of the house to the north Um yes we talk about that with our client but um because the way the the
functional program is designed um is is it's not going to be functional to locate the pool in that area So um that's our client's preferred location That's what's going to meet our clients needs to mitigate what you say about the
privacy Uh we are proposing to put a privacy wall uh to the height that is allowed by this by the code and some special you know um landscaping in order to provide a visual barrier between the
pool and the exterior Okay Yeah I just want to right now obviously there's there's a grassy area there that belongs to the city but just keep in mind that eventually you never know if there's going to be sidewalks
built there So I just want the owner to be aware of that Okay Yeah Yes please go ahead Yeah So I just want to um mention that I know from 189th Street North there are single family
houses but on the east side of Atlantic um south from 189th Street those are all rentals So I just want the owner to be aware that this house is not uh zoned
for rental Is that correct You can rent out your house That's not correct Well no I mean for for split rentals like on the east side of Atlantic aren't those zoned differently The east side of Atlantic I believe
Commissioner Joseph is referring to the duplexes Yes Right On the east side of Atlantic that's a different zoning district That's RTH which allows um more than one dwelling unit per acre But this is zoned
R1 Okay And that would remain that that cannot be changed Correct Unless there was an application and you approve it Okay But as of now that's single family Okay Anyone else
Okay So again I'm I'm very uh supportive of the entrance on Atlantic I'm um the the pool I think is going to be uh an issue I would I think it really would work better um like the rest of the pools in the neighborhood which are out
you know away from the sidewalk The overhangs I think are are good idea because as much shade as we you can create that's that's fine and it doesn't encroach on any neighbors as far as I can see is just going onto the street Um those are my comments but how everyone
else is just in agreement or not No you guys are being very quiet No Um I I don't see the need There's no hardship It doesn't meet any any of the standards Um and you can have the same house facing the way it's supposed to face I understand that you know it's a
transitioning neighborhood Um but as the other homes are redeveloped which I assume eventually they will be then it'll be uniform It'll self-correct you know Um so I I'm not um I I don't see the need It's a
preference and and I understand that but we don't have to make an exception for preferences And also now with the with the light post and everything else we're probably going to have to come back and have to have more variances because those of those issues that we didn't know about So um this is not a surprise
I always vote no on variances So don't don't take it personally Um so I'm a no on everything All right Please come to that microphone Um I think uh we don't have any problem with the poles and all that stuff We can
definitely change the driveway design to do not interfere with that Um but um the location and the orientation of the house It also has to do with the type of architecture that we want to try to propose which is a tropical modern
architecture And this kind of architecture is focused on on um propose a design that is sensitive to the environmental conditions and therefore uh we need this overhangs and
cany livers and obviously this creates a lot of movement in the architecture design and it's the preference is to show that to the public because that's going to be the more beautiful part of the house The open area Do you have a
rendering of the house Excuse me Do you have a rendering of the design Yes Are the last uh images Uh there is a presentation submitted by the applicant if that could be showed on the screen Thank you
And I knew Commissioner Viscar was going to be a no U consistent But um I I will say that I I do think that it's a better design to be to have an entrance on Atlantic because it's consistent with what the rest of that street And
um for instance my house I my address is on Atlantic and my house was built how long ago many years ago These are the renderings Okay As I mentioned this is a tropical modern architecture which combines you know mo So walk us through
the other variances So the overhang um that that creates the shade Where is that Is at the south and to the front Those are the main um cy levers or overhangs Okay And that creates you know
shade It promotes uh like a more energy efficient house and and therefore in the terraces and the pool areas the preference location is to be next to those kind of livers because it
provides shade and and more environmental conditions for that kind of activities Uh this is the front front This is the area where the pool is going to be located So right there to the
north that's the that would be the street Correct To the to the south That's the south South Sorry Sorry The south and the east Yeah Okay So that's that's a wall and then I was told there was going to be a fence above
the wall No Yeah We we would like to propose a privacy wall in order to create you know a visual barrier between the pool and the exterior And that wall is how tall Uh it's going to be six feet high which is allowed by the code
Uh yeah Amy could you clarify that because six feet doesn't seem like it's going to create any privacy Just to be clear um along street frontages you can have a 4ft solid wall and then a twoft railing or picket on top So not a
six-foot solid wall You can have a four foot solid wall but the six feet is from the ground Where does it start Because I'm assuming from grade Okay From the grade of the property Yeah The grade of the properties right Not from the grade of the rightway So they may elevate the
property slightly for flood impacts Um so it'll be calculated from the grade of the property of the home Okay So that's not going to stop lookovers Yeah a a walking person by the is not going to be able to okay look inside because it's
going to be um in a lower level Okay Uh we also want to propose some landscaping to help um and you're not going to have a gate in the front We're going to have a a gate
for the for the garage You are going to have a gate I didn't see it in the rendering Okay I I do have a question now actually If you had the home with the we'll call it the normal orientation
right The the one that you don't want would you need a variance for the pool Uh that's something that would require us to we need to play around with the
design in order to answer that question But uh because the shape of the lot the uh more convenient way to organize the functional program is on the long side
of the lot not the other way around So it's it's going to make the the design very difficult and intricate Okay So Okay Anyone else I I'm I'm supportive of allowing property owners to do you know as much as possible you know with their
property as long as it doesn't impede on the neighborhood and as long as it makes sense To me the front makes sense The pool not so much Um and I I I do have a little bit of a concern that the neighbor has not been spoken to with the air conditioning units with air conditioning units there and just being
so close because I believe they have like a pergola or something The AC units can be definitely be I don't know how loud the AC units are but you know it's just one of those things that sometimes gets overlooked and then when it's built we get complaints of how did you let this
happen And my question would remain the same like if you have the normal orientation would the air conditioner be a concern Like you know I'm not trying to be difficult because I mean I'm not going to change my mind but but I think those we need to be asking those questions I see what you're saying that if it was facing the the street rather
than the boulevard it the the pool everything else would be in place You have these concerns based on this orientation The question needs to be asked are those concerns resolved when you change the when you keep the orientation the way it's supposed to be
Yeah I get it Good point But for me I'm not looking to penalize the structure uh on that issue alone So I mean as you know someone that's built houses um I know that this is um
an excellent orientation for that particular property All right That's my opinion The design is beautiful The overhang makes sense Uh it's just the setback is my issue To go from 17 to
four is a little bit too too too much Okay Uh but the the entrance to be on the south on the east side doesn't make any difference I think it's okay Like I said the design clearly is beautiful Again the overhangs as well Uh not the
setback is that is just like yes we want to propose a very you know high-end house with a beautiful design If the pool is an issue we can work on that But the canty levers and the orientation of the house is definitely something that
is going to save this project Okay U Vice Mayor do you have any more input We got to figure out how we split this out I'm okay with the orientation I love the design It's great And I'm also concerned with the uh location of the pool and the setbacks but I'm okay with the rest the
cantalvers I'm okay with the entrance on Atlantic I mean I drove by the property It would be weird to have it facing on whatever that street is because the the property is a little like narrow but um
you know on on that side of the at 20 I can't remember 189 sorry 189 Yeah So I'm okay with it I would just like to see the pool if it could be put on the other side inverted and then um work on the
setbacks a little bit So okay what we should do is then we can we should vote separately for each variance Is that the best way to do it Technically there's only one one official vote because there's one resolution but you excuse
me you should uh treat each one separately and just get some idea as to whether you All right I think we have consensus here with the exception of Commissioner Riscara that we're okay with the with the Atlantic um front entrance Correct So we don't need to
make a change to that And we have consensus on the um uh overhangs except for Commissioner Viscara She's no one everything So not even okay Um and we had concerns I think all of us with the
setbacks the pool as well everyone I have a problem with the pool I don't have a problem with the pool except I mean that's actually the owner's problem Okay The setback as far as the pool Yeah The only um the setback variance is
related only to the pool and then the roof overhangs are encroachments into the setbacks So So the setback to to the north um when you turn the the orientation doesn't that become a a v
variance in effect because it's now changed Do you see No So because you change if you approve the first variance which establishes the front setback on Atlantic all of the other setbacks fall into place So now the north side is considered a side setback and that's only seven and a half ft Okay Got it So
that one does not require a variance per the plan that they've proposed All right And the house next to them is also facing Atlantic So it's consistent Okay Okay So part of part of what uh Commissioner Verscara was mentioning doesn't come into play Well we need a a
motion to uh amend the resolution Right So essentially you approving the orientation of the house the overhang setback encroachments The only denial it appears would be the pool setback Right
Okay Well and the location if I can say the pool setback you're saying yes is the issue of the owner No the the location Wait hold on It's a privacy issue No it's a setback because it's it's too far out right I
understand But that only creates a privacy issue for the owner nothing else It doesn't affect anything regarding the public Well no because if we have setbacks for all other properties so you can't build past that setback So they're getting it on the other side Well that's
the purpose for the variance right For us to say yes to something But but practically speaking it only creates an issue for the owner with privacy to the pool It's not just the privacy They're getting the additional uh how many feet Four feet Yes But for
me I'm okay with that Living space basically is the point So I'm okay with that Okay Uh Vice Mayor did you want to say something No What I was going to clarify is that I would like to see the pool on the north side Oh right So you're on the you're saying no to the
you're saying no to the pool variance Exactly Right Okay So is it clear It is If we uh the only thing that on the pool do we have three votes on the pool as a no Three votes I'm a no No I know Yeah I know you're commissioner is a no
Yes Okay So we good Do we need to You need to move as as amended As amended Okay I need a motion So moved Need a second So we're motioning to not where amended Okay To knock
down the entire house variance No no no no no We're changing We're okay with the front entrance Okay We're okay with the overhang Okay So we're asking him to go back and do something with the pool with Yes And the setbacks The setback of the pool
Yes No there is more setbacks now in the pool The setbacks are the overhangs That's the overhangs All the those are setback encroachments So the setback distances are fine but they're encroaching into the setbacks with the uh overhangs right The other ones are
okay Yes To go from 17 to four No that's for the pool That's just the pool So that's why I am against that one Right Okay Okay Okay No I'm a no with everything as well A no with everything Yeah So you're with Commissioner Riscara
Okay Changed All right You made a motion I need a second Need a second No I'm not So right now Okay So so All right All right I think in the future we'll have to do six different resolutions because
So on the overhang on the overhangs what what do you vote I'm looking for clarification here because I'm okay What we should be asking the this lady for is to go back and make
this pool a little smaller basically right To make it a little narrower It's not the pool Not necessarily That's your That's everyone's issue No the issue is is the actual setback Whether the pool is there whether the pool's not there that's up to them They can decide not to have a
pool at all For me it's the actual It's the setback of the pool The setback of the pool not the location of the pool If the pool was skinny then I'd be okay with where it is For me it's the setback of the pool I'm okay with the front I'm okay with the with the overhangs because
they are creating shade Yes So so how wide is the pool Um well um we will have to convince our client of not having a pool or relocated but it's going to be hard to relocate Maybe we can do it to
the to the west side of the property if or make it slightly narrow if the setback allows Um they're going to have to redesign either way but I was fine with it the cing the overhangs and the orientation of the house is the most
important factor so we can work on the pool But Commissioner Viscar um Commissioner Stevenson you changed your mind So you're not okay with the with the front entrance or the um overhangs No because when when you change the front now they can go all the way to the corners almost to the street and then he
changed that set back as well So no it's it's just way too long and it doesn't make sense Is it hurting Sorry Who is it hurting What do you mean Who is it hurting Who is it hurting
by saying no Why are you saying no Who is it injuring It's just not the way it is uh designed That's what a variance is for Correct And that's why I can say allow for something that is out of the ordinary Please go ahead Excuse me Uh
the main reason to uh project the house with this orientation uh there's no ways to propose you know a very contemporary tropical moan architecture design if you don't
orientate the house in the long way because if you do it the other way you're not going to allow to propose any of these elements that are going to provide heat mitigation Uh so uh not having the opportunity to have the front
in the long side of the property is just going to kill this Let me ask you a question I if you went back and you designed the house smaller right With all things staying the same but smaller so that you no longer need the um the
variance for the the pool Do you understand what I'm saying We are willing to sacrifice the pool Okay So then that if that's the case um that makes it even easier for me Um so if the pool commissioners if the pool then is
no longer an issue you still don't have a you still don't are not supportive of front entrance Correct Yeah I'm not supportive of it Okay hold on This makes no sense You're going to build a new construction and then they're sacrificing the pool in Florida Please
it makes this is not logical right now Procedurally uh Vice Mayor made um a motion Um do we need to vote We need a second to be able to vote We need to clarify where we are We need Yeah So let's your motion that you made Let's Let's go one by one because So the first
variance that's requested is the orientation of the house Can we can we get a vote on that Okay I'm a no Let's do for informal vote Just so we know we have the votes informal Okay So I'm a no I'm a yes Yes No Yes
Okay So orientation of the house is fine Number two is the pool setback issue No No No No Okay So that fails And then the remaining ones and Amy correct me if I'm
wrong Those all deal with the encroachments The next four all deal with the encroachments of the overhangs onto the setbacks Right Commission No Yes Yes Yes Okay That's what we have So now you can move and second for the
resolution as amended You want to make a motion as amended So moved Want a second But the result if you don't second then I I want to clarify the result
The result is no pool It goes down Everything is granted Everything is granted except the pool back That's the result And if we we don't get a second that it all fails Okay Make the pool We're fine with that Okay
Make your pool a little smaller and save the house Okay Okay Second All right Raio can we uh get a Yeah Vice Mayor Lama Yes Commissioner Joseph yes Commissioner
Styverson no Commissioner Viscara no Mayor Fetch yes The application is approved three to two This is a learning opportunity for next time for us to have these sort of things separately Well the point we were trying to save because there were so many variances and I know
you didn't want six separate items I understand trying to get clarification So we'll do we'll do variances uh each one for resolution Thank you But then we're just going to group them together and do them together Well okay Next item please
Okay now we're into ordinance of first reading 6A is an ordinance amending ordinance number cut off Excuse me Uh approving budget amendment number BA242504 to the city's motorized vehicles and equipment budget for the
2024 2025 fiscal year The general fund street construction and maintenance fund authorizing the city manager to do all things necessary to implement the terms and conditions of this ordinance providing for an effective date Mr City Manager please go ahead Mayor vice mayor members of the commission this is a
budget amendment that essentially would allow us to allocate monies to purchase vehicles that we originally had planned for fiscal year 256 to purchase them this year And it would also allocate
$230,000 to install cameras in the elevators at the government center PCP Heritage Park and the Gateway Park pedestrian bridge Okay Do we have any public speakers No ma'am Okay Uh questions or comments from the commission
Take a motion So moved Second Third Yes Vice Mayor Lama Yes Commissioner Joseph Yes Commissioner Cyson Yes Commissioner Riscar Yes Mayor Setchan Yes The ordinance passes on first reading Second
reading is scheduled for May Okay Next item 6B is an ordinance creating chapter 4 of the code of ordinances of the city of Sunny Beach entitled special recognitions providing for legislative intent providing for definitions
providing for types of recognition providing for criteria providing for codification providing for an effective date Okay this is yours Yes Uh Mayor Commissioners this is uh this ordinance comes based off the discussion that we had during last month's workshop Um it
incorporates or creates rather uh a policy for the issuance of special recognitions which include keys to the city proclamations and certificates of achievement or um acknowledgement Um everything that we discussed is
incorporated Um the only thing that I will point out is that um it was suggested that instead of there being a limit per meeting that it be an annual limit um where it was for 12 um but we have 11 meetings throughout the year so
we reduce that number by one to 11 so it'll be 11 total per commissioner annually okay do we have any public speakers no all right I believe that we uh spoke about this at length but does I do yeah I have a few comments okay I
understood that we said no limits that we know how many like usually like I say I passed like eight months without any proclamation and then I needed too Uh again so I think that requirement of limits of 11 proclamation I'm not okay
with that Also um like I said before the restriction to former or current city officials I think that is not uh okay either uh especially for former not for current you know and also members of the
media What is the reasoning behind uh not allowing proclamations to members of the media and what is considered a member of the media Um so media would be the general definition of mass media which would include newspapers uh news
stations um things of along those lines Mass media more to more so to speak It wouldn't necessarily encompass let's say someone that has a a social media page and they disseminate information or news um for the city or for any other
municipality So that's not doesn't cover that But exactly But even like mass members the medias of uh like somebody that worked in channel 7 chap channel 10 and is a is one of residents or something and god he won a politicer let's said for
something mayor that he did or Emmy award How why we cannot recognize a member of the media I don't I don't I'm not okay with that you know So members of the media firmer current elected officials and some not okay And I think we do have to clarify when we say firm
occurrence city elected officials It seems like city oas or city everywhere which is like 5A in both uh subsection A and B for the case of the cities and also for the proclamation the 5A uh we say firm occurring city elected official
It can be from any city or city of Sonia's beach No again So that restriction would be for city elected officials not for any other municipality So city Yes So for example the the concept behind having that restriction
as I mentioned last month is you're giving a key to a friend of yours that doesn't live with you That key signifies that they have the right to come and go as they please from your house So when you're giving a key to the city to a dignitary you're essentially inviting
that person to come to the city as they please So it's it's sort of that type of recognition Um when when it comes to uh former elected officials once an elected official you're always an elected official Once a mayor you're
always a mayor Once a commissioner you're always a commissioner So that recognition should really be reserved for um officials or dignitaries that live outside of the city No I know And I understand the the the the thought behind because like it was clarified the
last time Like I said I'm okay with the current elected officials not getting it because they're in their current role But somebody who is being enough he was in office like 10 20 years ago and maybe has now a big nonprofit and is doing a big change with the turtles the dunes or
you name it it might it will be good to be recognized you know So I'm I'm okay with it overall except for those three things Um the limit of 11 proclamations per calendar year Uh I'm not okay with that and I think in the last time I
thought it was clear that we were not going to put the limit So I maybe I misunderstood I'm not okay with not being able to give these proclamations of to the cities to members of the media the same thing that I'm not okay with taking the right or let's say the
privilege of giving also this proclamations of kids of the city to firmer city elected official again making the recognition that is city of Sonia's beach not city any other city okay so with those three changes I'm I'm
okay with this ordinance okay anyone else I'm okay the the way that it is I'm okay with the way it is as well Vice Mayor Yeah The the only thing about media and I think we need to be very careful there and perhaps um get into more detail is
that you also don't want to recognize someone from the media and then somebody's running you know that have a a campaign let's say to get reelected and then they're getting favors from that media entity or that media person So we need to be very careful I
understand your point because you know I'm I'm sure there's a lot of people that live in this city that work in media and yeah if they do something great they should be recognized But we also need to be very careful that you know you're not giving them some sort of
you know recognition and then in a Yeah in a self-s serving way where if that elected official is up for reelection and then they're getting all this free media space or air time or whatever So we need to be very careful with that But
okay But but I think it says here uh that it cannot be requested by a commission or should be say any elected looking for for for for office uh seeking reelection We have it already That's C the restriction
number C So that way you we can now have that equip pro here Just wait a second I I think we're uh making this much more complicated than needs to be Uh Mr City Clerk can you please
clarify if there is someone that that um we feel as a body deserves this and potentially is on the off list we can still vote against it So so there's there's an approval process that's provided for both the keys to the city
and proclamations So all of these will be approved by the commission Even though there's a restriction doesn't mean that it can't be brought forward for you all to discuss and consider Okay The only caveat to that is we are codifying this So you would be violating your ordinance This isn't just
a policy No I understand you're modifying your policy but this is a natural ordinance that you're I'm just I'm trying to what what I'm doing is is that I'm answering uh Commissioner Stubison's point of if someone goes out and does something like wins a pulser or
some that you don't normally do Um it's not like they're going to be completely prevented from from getting some sort of recognition And right now we have still no matter what the recognition of the special recognition that we don't even need to vote on Correct So so for
clarification so if we want to give it to somebody Alan to your point then we will have to request a variance to give the proclamation to somebody No variances only work for uh your land use regulations Okay So so what will be the procedure we want to give it to a member
of the media or to a former elected official Um once this is codified you couldn't Huh No we cannot That's his point We unless you violated you mean you you would be openly violating which is my point We are putting restrictions to ourself that is going to preempt us
of giving this recognition to somebody who deserve it So and it's very easy We just need to take those lines out If we take those lines out uh we can we are talking about the what if somebody's going for re-election and what if corrupt people is going to do corrupt
things regardless of what so here why are we taking our rights and the rights of the future commission to give those proclamations of keys to the city to the serving people I think it will be a lot easier like I said if we can take out uh
that uh restriction or limit which is 3D and also if we just take out members of the media because I understand for profits and lobbyists that that is a no-brainer but members of
the media they should not be uh taking their privilege to get these recognition exceptions possible Well yeah Well if that is a thing you know and also to former elected officials just remember that all of us at some point and some of
us sooner than later we are going to be former elected officials you know and we are taking the rights of the future elected officials and the past ones as well So it is very easy to make it a little bit more broad and not so narrow So we are not taking the rising
privilege of the people in the past and the people in the future So I will be okay making the motion with those three amendments or or or changes Yeah No I'm I'm not supportive of that at all I think that uh sitting up here we already have that privilege and I don't
think any of us uh should be looking at the future to get some sort of proclamation or keys to the city That's not what I'm saying No but you're saying that for for anybody here that's going to be coming out of office we're taking away this from them I don't think future and past people as well Okay So for me I
I I'm very comfortable with the way it it's written If if you feel very strongly about the 11 I can make a concession you know to to bring that number up But everything else I'm very comfortable with because I think that it's not about corruption it's about being self-s serving 11 So that's
that's a lot of proclamations Average of one a month and you don't put one up every month but you want to make a I'm trying to to make a concession You understand So anyone else have anything else No All right So I'll take a motion
Motion Need a second Second Mauricio Commissioner Joseph Yes Commissioner Cyson No Commissioner Viscara Yes Vice Mayor Lama Is the media It stays
Stays Yeah Yeah I would like to see some some amendments to this Um I would say no Okay Okay Mayor Setchin Yes The ordinance passes 3 to two Second reading will be scheduled for May Okay Next item
please We are on to resolutions 9B is a resolution terminating the existing agreement with Payphone Technologies for a mobile payment program for parking services Approving a new agreement with Pay by phone USA Inc to provide mobile payment
program for parking services Mr City Manager mayor vice mayor members of the commission this is for pay by phone app The we use a piggyback for this and the city of Miami Beach renegotiated their agreement and we
are in agreement with bringing that to you Okay Are there any public speakers No Any comments Take a motion Motion Second All in favor I Next item please 9 C is a resolution authorizing the city
manager to negotiate and execute a fifth amendment to the agreement with lighter up to install holiday lights and decorations at various locations throughout the city provided state agreement is first approved as the league form sufficiency by the city attorney Okay Mayor vice mayor members
of the commission this is we had extensive discussion regarding this at our workshop and I'm really not sure how it ended up So I don't I don't recall what you all decided in the end I think
that we we had consensus So I do it would be what was presented originally at the workshop on Tuesday Okay Which is the 270 I think the 279 180 Okay Any public speakers No ma'am Okay I'll take
a motion then So moved Need a second Second All in favor I Next item please 90D is a resolution approving a fourth amendment to the agreement with Academy Bus for motor coach transportation services Mayor vice mayor members of the
commission this is a fourth amendment to our agreement with academy bus They are the company that we use uh to transport campers students etc Okay Any public speakers No ma'am Okay Take a motion then So moved Need a second Second All
in favor I Next item 9A is a resolution approving a second amendment to the agreement with MT Cosley to provide non-exclusive structural inspection and plan review services on an as needed basis
Mayor vice sorry mayor mayor vice mayor members of commission This approves a second agreement with MT Cosley They provide building code structural plan review structural services for us Do we have public speakers No ma'am Okay Take
a motion Motion Second Second All in favor I You guys falling asleep No it's cold 9F Got cold in here right INF is a resolution approving an agreement with Bosch Enterprises for the purchase and installation of one lifeguard tower Okay
Mr Manager mayor vice mayor members of the commission this is approval to purchase a new lifeguard tower which will replace the existing tower at 163rd Street Okay Do we have any public speakers No ma'am Um and just for the record I I
wanted to ask uh the same question I asked during the workshop What's the projected lifespan of this tower They said 25 years Okay perfect I do have a comment about it Um go ahead I am in support of these and actually I'm in support of buying an additional one Uh
we have one this light tower in 163rd and the next one is in 158 So that whole strip from 163rd to to the south part of Sony is there is a big gap in the middle So we need an extra life tower We spoke
about this in the past Um if we are buying one I think we should order two and start the process to make it to make it possible to install one in between that'll be kind of behind Oceanana and
Trump towers So that area in there um to to consider to put there also a tower is like a really big gap and it's almost like a blind space in between and our lifeguards They do an excellent excellent job Uh regardless I had spoken
to them about the need to have another tower in there and they've been very very happy with that um with that with with that idea So I don't know if we can do it here to um order two instead of
one And if we need a budget amendment we can bring them maybe in the next meeting Uh but I would like to see uh to order two so we can also service that area Um let me ask a question I'm I'm supportive of that Absolutely What does that do for
staffing Does that mean that we now have to hire So I had asked the um actually because of your comment at the workshop on Tuesday about is there anything else that we need to buy before prices go up Um this is one of them They even told us
that if we didn't get this one that is on for approval in April prices they will not honor this price in May Okay Um so I had asked O Ocean Ocean Rescue about you know is there a need um are you know we have three south
of the pier There are three but very close to 163rd There is 163 there's by the pier correct Then there's behind cyan correct Which is the one getting replaced and then the one at the all the way in the end So that I'm talking from
cyan to the end of Sony Then we have a very big gap So when I asked them um they actually needed one on the north side of the pier if they were going to add another one That's where they wanted That would be perfect Order three I mean
this is something incredibly important for us you know and I know we're going to need budget amendment we need more staffing etc But if it's something that I think overall we always agree on is safety and right now we talking about
the beach or we talking about how there is more people coming to to to Sonia in general and to South Florida etc So I think I mean this is going to cost less the the lights that we're putting that we just approve that just putting lights
for for for the holidays Okay And this is going to be there for over 20 years and it's going to be able to save life So if we need one in the north and we know we need one in the south and I know this firsthand because I that's exactly where I go to the beach with my children
and I like to be close to the lifeguards clearly Uh so for safety purposes so I know ex where I don't want to be because it's like very far away one from the other So and we understand with the tariff and everything and the prices are going up I also see this like a
no-brainer Let's put the order for whatever is needed If we need a an amendment at the end I'm okay with that to to with the budget amendment So but I think it just makes sense So Susan could we when would this be delivered
I think they said six to eight weeks Oh so fast Pretty fast But very fast May I May I suggest this Please go ahead Um I mean these towers are old Uh we could definitely use replacements right So for the sake of tonight let's if you
would like to add two more Um we actually did get a proposal this morning for two more So I can actually give you that number Um and then let's run the numbers because it's personnel it's equipment it's vehicles and it's an
ongoing expense right So um we could discuss that during the you know through through the budget workshop We could put a program mod together so you can actually see what that fiscal impact is of adding that and then you can make that decision If you choose to add an
extra one then we add all the staff and everything else that goes with it Or we use these two extra ones as replacements for the older ones Okay I like that idea For the sake of purchasing them while Okay so three total correct Okay good All right So wait hold on You're you're
not adding two more towers to this contract though right Yes we would That is what they're asking Yes Well is that the Well two things One we we can try to change the number and we'd have to change the contract It would probably you'd have to give us a number not to
exceed number to approve tonight because if it exceeds Do you you have the proposal you said I do It's 185,500 for two more towers So if you want to add the 200,000 to this contract
I'm perfectly fine with that I would like to make a motion with the amendment So call it 185 for two more Yeah 200 in addition to what you one is already on here I'm saying 200 addition So we're adding two Okay So uh Commissioner Stuben do you want to make
that amendment Just another question Before we can commit to the contract though has this money been budgeted though No No Okay So I can't we can't expend you can't expend and contract for this without it being budgeted All right So how could we do this so that we don't
miss the opportunity to get to to move on this Um deputy manager could we vote or or um attorney could we vote on this and then give the direction to go and negotiate for the other two and then ask for a
budget amendment in May Could we city attorney may I ask Could we bring back the budget amendment that we just correct discussed and approved You could do that You could reconsider and re revote on the budget amendment You're
still going to have to wait It takes two readings So you're still going to have to wait for that second reading Um yeah but in the meantime you can place the order Wait hold on let him finish and then um state for the record tonight a not to exceed
number keeping in mind that we got a quote I don't know if you're adding contingency or not just so we have a number we don't have to come back if it exceeds that number okay okay so wait one second so procedurally Mr Clerk we have to
reconsider the budget amendment Well let me ask a question another question So could we amend the ordinance the budget ordinance between first and second reading without having to reconsider it tonight You could I mean without conferring with
Tiffany I hate doing that but um you probably Yes you could You're still going to have to wait for that second reading anyway Is that the purpose of second readings Yeah To make adjustments in between Yeah for the most part Okay
We discussed it today Okay And you haven't advertised it yet right No Okay Okay So you're making a motion as amended As amended Yeah Okay And I'll second it Okay Um I think we're all in favor
I No I'm sorry I'm confused So as a as amended I thought three I thought we were going for the one and then amend the budget in between readings and and no So we're going to amend the
budget just three for the next reading and the budget Yeah Okay So we're going to do both Okay Fine And then the only um clarification is what what number are you authorizing What amount of money are you authorizing 200
302,850 which is 102 today 102850 today right now for for one correct and then an additional 200,000 for other two is that okay or you want to have more good wiggle room and to put so we don't risk
anything correct let's go to 250 anyway it's going to be the number that it is correct add a little fat to it wait we just wanted times 350 No two the total I'm saying total is going to be 350 Correct Yeah So total 350 even Yes 350
even Yeah 350,000 Not to exceed 43,000 Okay All in favor I I I I'm sorry And I I'm sorry but I wanted to make sure that we also because in the contract the locations are specific Can
we identify exactly the locations we'd be putting these in We could not do that tonight We would have to confer with ocean rescue Correct Okay You can put one on the north and one of the south of the city South in north end As long as we don't get into a situation they might be replacement Yeah
they might be As long as we don't get into a situation where management decides it goes here here and here and you guys may not agree No I think for the record we made it clear where we would like to see it but if it doesn't make sense then there would just be replacements Of course Okay
Anyway in May we could bring to you the recommendation as to where they go for your course Okay All right And the last thing can we know the life spam of the ones that we have right now So it might make sense to also in the future and now
that we having the budget uh discussions uh maybe in the short term we're going to need different ones to be replaced or refurbished or whatever So if we can have the life expectancy of the one that we have currently the remaining life expectancy of the one that we have right now Yeah Yeah that's a good that's a
good idea Okay Mara are you ready Yes ma'am We're doing 9 GH and I together Yes Okay 9G is a resolution rejecting proposals submitted in response to request for proposals number 241201 entitled elevator maintenance and
repairs 98 is a resolution approving an agreement with Otis elevators for service and maintenance of six hydraulic elevators located at Government Center Pelican Park and Heritage Parking Garage And 9 I is a resolution approving an agreement with Coney Inc for elevator
service and maintenance for elevators located at Gateway Center Okay Do we have any public speakers for any of those items We do not Okay So um any questions I'll take a motion Motion I
need a second Second All in favor I Okay Next item Nine J is a resolution approving an updated off system Excuse me The title was revised This is one of the ones that changed So 9J is a resolution
terminating the ex existing offsystem construction maintenance agreement with the Florida Department of Transportation for the rehabilitation of the Atlantic Cal Bridge Approving an updated offsystem construction maintenance agreement with the Florida Department of Transportation for the rehabilitation of
the Atlantic Cal Bridge Any public speakers No ma'am Okay Take a motion So moved Second Second All in favor I 9K is a resolution awarding invitation
to bid number 251012 and approving an agreement with Waypoint Contracting Inc to provide construction renovation services for the annex building located at 18050 Collins Avenue Okay And mayor Vice Mayor members of the commission
this is for the buildout of the annex next door And as you know this property has been vacant for almost 5 years now This is the third time that I'm presenting the item This is for the buildout of the annex for the property
next door with Waypoint Contracting This item was delayed before due to interference and false claims of manipulation and secret meetings I want to start by sharing and I'm going to put it on the screen This is resolution
2023-3593 On November 16th 2023 there was a resolution proposed by one of you to try to redirect the purpose of the annex and putting it out back out to bid As you
can see this proposal failed by a majority vote I highlighted failure on the screen Conversely same date November 16 2023 resolution number
2023-3598 directs by majority vote that the annex space be used as an office and a cafe I've asked them to put that up on the screen for you This resolution was passed by a majority and approved And if
I can read section one it says "The city commission hereby authorizes the city manager to repurpose the property located at 18050 Collins Avenue to provide office space for use by the
building department reserving a portion of the property to be used as a cafe for the sale and purchase of food and beverages to do further to further do all things necessary to affectuate this resolution
We moved forward based on your direction and to date we've expended [Music] $430,84917 along with countless staff hours Further delay could cause us to
lose a crucial contract that would yield between$ 160 to $200,000 a year in revenue to the city My recommendation is as it's been from the
start to approve the item and move it forward without further delay There's no reason to discuss it any further Okay Do we have any public speakers Mauricio No ma'am All right I I know that the um you all discussed this at length at the um at the workshop I was not able to attend
I was very very sick but I did watch it So I know that you had a very lengthy um discussion Uh I don't know if there's more discussion that's needed Okay I I would say that in the packet the memo that that um that was provided
there's another resolution um that was exhibit six that I um that that were where the discrepancy was based on the the allegations that were made Um what we were presented with was um from the original packet that that
said that said that the city manager is hereby directed to issue and advertise etc and that was in the original packet that we received but in the discussion in that meeting uh we
amended it and I think that that's that's where where the error was made that uh commissioner Styverson was looking at the original one um and not what what was actually executed
So I can understand that error Uh but there we have been nothing but transparent and there I think there was another there was actually another um yeah the mayor Goldman's last meeting which
was December 22 also we were there ve very clear uh those were allegations that were made like but we were very clear reject the bids extend the lease and it was it was 4-1 commissioner Styverson was the one who who voted no
on that which is okay but then she stated that that's not how she voted and she stated that we voted on something else So I just wanted to make sure that that we were clear that that error was made I don't know if if Commissioner Styson would like to retract her statements but the the record is very
clear that we have been transparent throughout and there's been no no sneaky um there's it's been it's changed but but it's been always transparent and and
done in the open So um go ahead Yeah I I appreciate that clarification And I think that often um some of this becomes uh somewhat tangled when there are so many conversations and and and so many motions And certainly uh I've been on the side that have has not prevailed
when I've made uh suggestions Um and I know that it's not the best feeling but unfortunately you know this is the will of the bodies based on the majority So uh I don't think that anyone um on this body is looking to to make any statements that are on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on unt on
unt on true um purposely uh not at all I think everyone uh is looking out for the best uh for the residents of of sunny beach I I believe this to be true Uh but I think that we do need to move on and not have this discussion all over again because I think we need to make I'm not
looking to have the discussion and I appreciate your clarification However this these documents were entered into the record right And they're wrong And so I would I would like to ask Commissioner Styverson to pull this from the record so that we don't have erroneous
information as you know as part of the record Okay If I might please go ahead I'm not retracting anything because I don't have to Okay So um from the very beginning uh the building of Tony which by the way there is a the only uh
clarification is that it's not being vacant for five years stand is being used by uh a contractor that we rented to So in 2022 when we rejected the two bids they were never presented to us if
we would have ac accepted which the only uh mistake that I made is that I didn't remember that I voted no for it and I said that I voted yes thinking that we were going to beat again the restaurant Yeah I didn't remember how I voted and
I'm very proud that I voted against because I've been very consistent that and I'm sorry to get whoever gets offended but the legacy of whoever votes to make the building to make Tony Romance part of the bureaucracy and to
make another another office building in a prime location The legacy of who vote for that is that we stole that building from the residence of Sonia's beach In 2022 we have a company who wanted to
spend $3.5 million of their capital to make that a beautiful restaurant And they were expecting to give to the city around $400,000 annually that we were going to be receiving So now only we keep the the the restaurant and we give another
restaurant to our residents Not only we're going to be making money every year from it but they were going to build three a beautiful restaurant that belongs to the resident of Sony Today if this passes finally we are going to nail
the coffin and we are going to we as a body because I'm voted against clearly We are going to be the commission the legacy that stole Tony Romance from the residents of Sunny Ars Beach That is the legacy I might had making a mistake clarifying my vote and that's what I'm
putting the record straight Yes I make a mistake Not how I voted how I say I voted So sort of my semantic Okay So um like I said it's not being vacant It's been making money Um and when we I said that things were doing um with our
knowledge yes the city spent $100,000 um choosing a broker for that broker to choose a restaurant and we were not part of that conversation Okay So we pay $50,000 for the city broker and we pay
60 50,000 for the broker of the restaurant We were not part of the recommend of the um discussion actually I only find out when they came after the fact to request the money So uh we never had a set which
restaurant they were bringing Okay So we only are here we are not here just to say yes to what the staff bring us We are here to protect the the our residents like we were talking right now that if they need more lifeguard station we should bring it to them the same
thing That restaurant belongs to the residents of Sonia's Beach We they're not going to have a restaurant anymore They're going to have a little cafe which is probably going to be beautiful because KMA does a very nice thing But we are going against the trend in the whole nation We are increasing the
bureaucracy We are taking a money making prime property on Collins Avenue and putting more bureaucracy in there Doesn't make sense I'm being consistent I don't retract one word that I said I'm
I'm I I I I really passionate about this because I don't want to be part of the the the commission that is told to Roma from the res Okay Thank you Uh and I can hear your passion I I am um in in no way agreeing
with you that this commission would be stealing anything from the residents of Sunny Als Beach That's that's a very strong words to use And um Tony Roma's is gone It's been gone for a long time We can't bring it back And I know that there's a lot of nostalgia I would like
to have Denny's back but these these things are gone Um so anyone else Yeah Uh you were wrong about how you voted and you were wrong about what we voted on Those are two things that you that you said that were wrong And so if you don't want to retract the wrong
documents your legacy is going to be wrong documents in the record And Tony Romance it's already in the coffin We're not putting nails in it It's It's in the coffin It's in the ground It's gone We're not taking a restaurant from anybody We're providing a restaurant not the kind you like That's okay And we
don't we don't have an obligation to provide a restaurant We have an obligation to serve our residents And that's what we're going to be doing So I'm perfectly okay with with like being the one who who put that final nail even though it's already got like 600 in it
I'm okay with that Uh but the record is wrong I just wanted to make give you the opportunity to do the right thing and retrieve wrong information You want to you want that to be your legacy fine Uh if we could put an asterisk on this anywhere um I would appreciate that but
so be it And I need also something else on the record against how we went from $8 million in one year to less than 1 million in the restricted building in the building restricted funds Uh I got an email today with some clarification
about it Uh we have a whole month to put it on the record Maybe uh we have to put it on for the next meeting and in this one Uh but uh just it will be interesting to know if that's $1.250,000 that it says here that we
already spend in furniture we spend We're going to spend it when it's ready So there is a lot of numbers still that are not being clarified So um this is just the last thing I want to say about this which is very sad for our residents
is that all the expenses of that stateofthe-art building department has to be funded by the fees of the building department which means for anybody any resident of Sunny Arts Beach or uh property owner or commercial whenever
they want to build a new house or change a toilet you have to pay a fee to the building department That building department now is going to multiply exponential exponentially their expenses
So the the toilet that you may today paying a fee for $200 going to be a lot more in the in the future We don't know that that's not a speculation You're building I haven't finished I haven't finished Please I haven't finished Let's let's all speak one at a time But like I
said I don't want to rehash the meeting that you all had Okay So just please Okay So it's like I say it's a state-of-the-art Okay So and they have to pay rent for that property as well the building department So yes we are going to be increasing I mean the ch the
numbers they don't they don't they don't lie According to the record we went from having almost $8 million in the bank as a fund for the building department and in one year went to less than $1 million and we haven't even built it yet So if
you don't tell me that the the expenses are going to increase exponentially that doesn't make any sense because the number they don't lie from eight to less than one in one year Imagine what is what is to come So yes we are doing a disservice to the to to the people of Sonia Uh I'm not crying about uh Tony
Romance is about taking a restaurant and a money making building prime property in front of almost in front of the beach in Collins Avenue from the resident Sony Beach Yes Okay Yes All right Okay Please But yes no reason to repeat everything
you said at the last meeting Thank you I would like to say that we have spent so much money in this city on consulting fees and expenses for projects that don't go forward We now are talking
about the project at Heritage Park that's not going to happen Thank goodness How much did we spend on consulting fees regarding that project Nothing Nothing on the park Didn't we show pictures of of building that might
parks and wreck master plan So we did spend money on the parks and recck master plan but that was a citywide project not just heritage Yes But there's a portion of that that could be broken out regarding heritage It it was a city-wide project a project
you all approved Okay But we had a consultant that worked on heritage for a certain fee No it was the one fee for the parks and wreck part of the parks and wreck master plan was to make recommendations for the next 15 years and that was one of that was a
component of that study Okay So it's my opinion I knowing this commission I know already how they're going to vote My vote will be a no Okay Thank you Yeah You going to say
something Yeah Okay Okay So first of all this was a long process I mean I revisited you know some of the videos I remember what had transpired I went back and I saw some documentation and we had come to the
agreement that it was going to be a dual use building Whether you voted yes or no the body the commission voted that it was going to be or decided that it was going to be dual use we're going to have a restaurant and we're going to have the building department under the same roof
Okay so that's one Then two the rejection of the um some of these uh tenants there was due because they were looking to have restaurants that were going to be open till late and that were
not going to be able to let's say coexist uh with you know the environment and the community around They wanted to stay open till late have music etc So that's one and then that is a major problem because I'm that would have been a bad thing Well you have
commission vice mayor has the floor So yes if you have that they're open until late and they and they do have music and they do have dancing until late that would have been an issue because I get many complaints from um the the the
people that have have apartments behind uh our government center you know from the restaurant there the Russian restaurant that sometimes they have people that stay till late and they're drinking or they're still eating and they have music So I get complaints from those apartments So we don't want those
noise complaints Okay Um and then regarding the broker point number three I mean that's part of the business Brokers get paid I mean brokers have to get paid for their job So they
get a commission Okay So that is that that is something very standard So there's nothing shady there I I don't see it that way Okay And then I understand uh Commissioner Stuben that you're passionate but I mean
also we need to be very careful and think before being passionate does not mean that you're going to accuse us of stealing So I do not appreciate that you're basically calling me a thief I'm not stealing from the residents I was
always very firm in my position I didn't even want a restaurant there Why because I think that the residents are going to be better served if we have the office space that is conducive to being efficient and to working better
Okay Now we came to the agreement We came to the decision where it's going to be dual use Fine That is fine with me We're still going to be having rental income from that Okay So I don't appreciate being called basically
a thief because I'm also passionate I could turn around and say that I don't know why for what purpose you're advocating for a restaurant 100% to be a restaurant there I could also make false accusations I could be very
imaginative with certain things But obviously passion you know comes with responsibility and we need to be thoughtful before we say something Okay If you have an accusation well that's fine But you know what Explain yourself
Okay So how about Okay How I I'm I'm asking that we just make it very very short because this is we're no we are not we're not this just let me remind you all we're not voting on what this is going to be used for We're voting on going forward with the construction The
the use has already been voted on Well well that's part of the problem because we voted to make it a restaurant No Yes we did Before 2022 when Dana Goldman was the mayor we voted to bring and that's
why the bid went out And then uh one of the reasons that we say now that um that they wanted to be to extended hours How do we know that We never even saw their proposals That's what the
staff told us part of the things We never saw the proposals We didn't know the menu they were bringing the hours that they were going to have We don't even know the name of the two restaurants I know because I look for that information So afterwards so we did
vote as a body to make it and keep it as a restaurant Then it was changed after Larissa became the mayor So the boat and the direction changed it was going to be restaurant and then you guys decided to
make it dual use I'm okay with hiring a broker if we are telling beforehand We find out at least I find out about the broker and I might be wrong maybe somehow it was given that information to us and I didn't read the memo but I find
out about the broker after the broker was hired after the broker had even decided which is the restaurant that it was going to be I understand that if we hire a broker we have to pay for it We never as far as I can remember were even informed that we were hiring a a broker
So and yes we are here to better serve our community I think our community is very good being served with a very good and strong building department that we have actually we have here in the agenda to even hire more services from outsourcing for to to better serve our
community Um so I we are not serving better our community by taking a money-making machine And who's going to complain about the noise there On one side you have the city hall On the other side you have a gas station In front of it is a qualina I don't think they're going to be able to hear anything with
the windows that they have So um yes we did change the rules of engagement We decided yeah we decided to make it a restaurant and then you guys change Okay So thank you Um I would like to say one thing No I'm going to call a vote because we're not going to we're not
going to rehash this whole one more thing You have one comment please because this is getting ridiculous I would like to ask the city manager We're doing tempor a temporary building on the north side of city hall Is that correct Temporary structure for the
building Go ahead It's temporary Yes Because our conditions are overcrowded now which is why we want to build the space next door How many people will be in that building I couldn't tell you the exact number Okay But it's going to
um alleviate some of the burden of uh of the uh crowded space that we have Correct Temporarily Yes Okay So in the meantime we have the library that we're
putting on a one-year or two-year lease with a um with a clause that we can terminate That's absolutely going to be in the written in Is that correct Alan But it's going to be with a terminate
clause as well That needs to be negot that needs to be negotiated because if you just let them in there for another year and they just spent x amount of money to refer I just voted on something where I was told there's going to be a terminate clause There's going to be again it takes two to tango right They
have to agree to it It hasn't been negotiated yet And the thing is if you're only going to do it if you do a year lease let's say you you want to cancel within a year We don't I don't care if it's a 5year lease as long as there's a terminate clause That's what I'm trying to explain If there's a if you decide to terminate in the next six
months or in the next year we're not going to be ready in six months Hypothetically if you have a five-year term with options to renew and you terminate before the end of that five years there's going to be a cost to that They're not going to walk away and say "We just spend this amount of money."
But they're not paying anything Commissioner Joseph but they're but they're paying for the renovations and they've paid for the renovations They the typically in a termination clause like this they're not just going to walk away and say "Thank you You can keep all the improvements." No I'm just saying it's going to have to be negotiated
I I just voted on the idea that you were writing in a termination clause I'm not saying I'm not writing in termination clause but it has to be negotiated I can't tell you what that termination clause is actually going to encompass And I think
this was at the workshop right So we just it's going to have to come back to you It's coming back to us This was a discussion Commissioner Joseph but can we just stick to this please because we need to move on I want to call the vote My point though please please hurry because we now have a plan in motion to
possibly move the library in two years possibly if we get moving I know we're very slow but I'm not happy with our beh Well we could possibly if we get the rishelu some some idea for the rishelu
I'm I'm looking forward in this city which unfortunately we don't do a good job at but we have we have a plan to
extend the lifespan of our building department with the temporary building we're doing We don't need to rush into the old Tony Romo's building Okay We can go back to renting it the way we were renting it to the contractor or whoever else Commissioner
Joseph your your comments are noted We've already voted on this We're not That's not what this is considering We're not considering that Doing forwardthinking ideas I res I appreciate that But this item has already been voted on what you're discussing and I
understand what's going to happen in the next few minutes So but I'm saying that does not benefit the residents of this city Okay Thank you I'm calling a vote So I need a motion So moved Need a second Second Mauricio will you do a Yes
ma'am Vice Mayor Lammo Yes Commissioner Joseph no Commissioner Styent to waste $4 million No Commissioner Viscaro yes Mayor Fetchan
yes The ordinance is adopted 3 to two Okay Next item please 9 now is a resolution approving a payment to Bell South communications LLC doing business as AT&T Southeast for phase three of the Golden Shores Utility
Undergrounding project City manager mayor vice mayor members of the commission this is a payment to AT&T and an amount not to exceed 62,000 as part of their undergrounding in Golden Shores I had asked during the workshop Oh one second Do we have any public speakers No
ma'am Okay I'd asked during the workshop I don't know if you were able to get the information what what is our um the cost of the undergroundings thus far I know this is just one of the bills but I think it's important to remind everybody the kind of investment that
we've made I sent it to you all in an email you did yesterday and the answer is 28,253,94951 That's crazy 51 Okay Okay And going
And going Okay Um I'll take a motion No I have a question about this AT&T bill Yes So for this 56,000 what are what are they doing that they haven't done already Commissioner um this is work that has
already been completed This invoice came in almost two years ago We had a consultant He disputed the charges We went back and forth with AT&T for quite some time and they provided all of the required backup And there
is we're obligated to pay this and our original agreement City attorney can confirm our original agreement stated that this is an actual cost contract and both parties agree that we will be issued a final bill that we would be
obligated to pay This is the final bill Okay This is the final bill The final bill for phase three of the How many more phases are you There's only one more one more phase but I think we might be done with them Okay this is the only outstanding bill
with AT&T that I am aware of at this time Okay so originally they were going to do copper but now they've consented to do fiber Correct I believe you're talking about Golden Shores This is Golden Shores This is the Collins Avenue undergrounding
This says Golden Shores Where Isn't that 9L Yeah Golden Shore Utility under that That's a typo This is for Collins Avenue Yeah it say Golden Shores It says Golden Shores Yeah On on the title on the title of of the agenda
that you're looking at that is a typo It is Golden Shores but the resolution in the book if you look at the actual resolution it's for Collins Avenue And the memo says Collins The memo says Collins Mine says the memo says Collins
I think it's when you get the print out versus the online version has Collins also Yeah I have the online Okay This is where Maria Sio says it's better to have the electronic version versus the paper Okay Okay Uh any more
questions As long as I have it open can we discuss Golden Shores We're This is not what we're discussing right now We're voting It says Golden Shores so I have a right to discuss Golden Shores I You know that's very clever But no it's a typo So since it's a typo the answers no Would you like to make a motion on
this item No I'd like to have my answer question my my question answered first What's your question Since we have a big issue what's your question Golden Shores is not moving along with AT&T I'd like to know why Okay But that's not part of this discussion But according to 9L it
gives me the permission to Commissioner Joseph It's a typo If it said you won a million dollars Susan no Commissioner I'll be happy to get you an update on the Golden Shores
project Yes please do I'm looking for an answer regarding why the fiber is not moving along You can share with all of us please Absolutely I'll take a motion So second Second All in favor I
Okay next item please NM is a resolution approving renovations to the restaurant located on the Newport Pier Mayor vice mayor members of the commission This is based on our workshop earlier where we heard from the Newport
Pier and approves and concept their renovations to the restaurant Do we have any public speakers No ma'am Okay We we discussed this earlier I'll take a motion Just to make sure the clarification that the shaded area is not part of the because there is not the
exhibit 8 is not here So we cannot see the the rendering or anything So just to confirm that the chay area is not part of this It is confirmed It is only the restaurant not the cantal lever and not the shade Yeah Perfect Okay Commissioner Riscar Just to go on the record I was
happy with the shaded area Okay So was I Um yes Just to go on the record I'm not happy with the shaded area Okay That's not Commissioner Viscar made I made a motion Would you like to make a second I'll make a second Okay All in favor I I Okay
9 9 is a resolution approving an end local agreement with Miami date county to perform traffic engineering functions for signing and marking City manager mayor vice mayor members of the commission 9 and 9 are related They're
interlocal agreements with the county If you recall a couple of months ago I brought to you three items We recommended that you approve at least two of the three You did not And therefore the process has been delayed in doing our traffic study for speed
study So in order for that to move forward the county is requiring that these two interlocal agreements be approved One is for traffic engineering for signing and mark and marking and 9
is traffic engineering related to traffic calming Do we have any public speakers No ma'am Um so we're combining 9 and 900 Is that what I'm hearing Okay Do we have any speakers for 900 Uh we do not But
let me read that title into the record Okay 9 is a resolution approving an inlocal agreement with my media county to perform traffic engineering functions related to traffic calming on city's local streets Okay please Yes So I just wanted to clarify
that in 9N the traffic signing is not to change our signs Correct Correct Okay And that's on the
record I I believe that that the speed limit is not changing Correct If I may add Yes Approving this allows you to keep your specialized signage which right now is technically not permitted
by Miami Day County So this buys us time And then correct The speed limit is not changing now They've agreed to let us do these two first right We install traffic calming devices we do in a new study and hopefully that gives us the results
we're looking for Perfect Just yeah to clarify that that we are not changing the speed limit We are not Can I get a motion Motion Second All in favor I I 9P 9P is a resolution creating a donation
program to support nonprofit organizations that align with the city's mission and public purpose Mayor Vice Mayor members of the commission these next two items 9P and 9Q Um one is to establish the donation
program that you have directed us to for nonprofits and 9Q is the creating of the sponsorship program to support nonprofits Um we'll be happy to answer any questions you have So we're combining 9P and 9Q
We shall draw a yes Okay Do we have public speakers for either of those items We do not but I need to read the title for Thank you A resolution creating a sponsorship program to support nonprofit organizations that align with the city's mission and public purpose Okay Any questions or comments
from the commission I have a question because I don't see the limit for inind donations I see the limit for the monetary and also for the sponsorship is $10,000 per application 5,000 right now
for uh for donations but the incind doesn't have a limit I mean I could not find it anywhere Are you asking what the limit is Yeah because it's not here Like we don't have a limit Like I said um I found 5,000 for
monetary unless it is 5,000 for monetary or incai and and or and incai Uh but I didn't find any incline So um I went up and down I look everywhere Uh like I said sponsorships $10,000 per application 5,000 right now for the uh
monetary donations But in kind is um it doesn't have anything So on page four of the donation and inind document the first bullet on page four funding and limits community and incind contributions are limited to $5,000 per
organization per year So both either monetary or incind Correct Okay Thank you You're welcome Okay And this allows for um every year the same organization right Yes it does So I'm just going on the record organizations that come every year can count on my vote every other
year Thank you for clarifying that There you go Okay Would you like to make a motion I will move Okay I need a second Second All in favor I Okay Next R please
9R is a resolution expressing opposition to Florida Senate Bill 918 and Florida House Bill 1225 relating to employment of minors Miscar this is mine I um went over it a little bit in the 3:00
meeting as part of the legislative update to give you a heads up that that I I will be bringing this forward So can you hear me So um so yeah this this basically
loosens the child labor laws and um like we talked about um this afternoon that's not a uh a desirable outcome this is particularly dangerous to uh the vulnerable populations My concern really
is is uh you know there there's children who are who are loved and protected and cared for uh by their families but then there's children who aren't and the child uh labor laws are intended to protect them and by removing them we're
now exposing them to uh being exploited my in particular um this this one it it removes the limitations on working hours for minors 16 and 17 years of age under the bill Those minors are no longer restricted from working at night or for more than
eight hours a day when school is scheduled the next day Those minors may also work for more than 30 hours a week when school is in session and for more than eight hours a day without 30 minute break So they're explicitly saying you don't need a break and it removes all
employment restrictions uh to in a particular statute uh for minors 14 and 15 years of age under under particular uh circumstances So it's just loosening it for the older teenagers and the younger teenagers And um it's not I mean
it's moving it's moving and like I said in the in the afternoon the next week is the last week of committee so hopefully it's it's not doesn't get scheduled and doesn't go anywhere Uh but I find this bill uh unconscionable and beyond
offensive Um so if we care about kids we should um oppose this Are there any public speakers No ma'am Have any questions or comments from the commission No I yeah I just wanted to say that I was extremely shocked when I
saw this bill and um yeah I can't believe that they are you know they would allow for these kids basically to work more hours per week and also to
work um longer hours or be a a able to work you know at at nighttime hours which you So the current laws and and and I recall when I when I entered the workforce I I was about 15 16 I had to
clock out at a certain time you know So I think those laws are there or were there to for a reason and I think they need to be kept in place to protect kids and kids are kids their number one priority is for them to be healthy and
to go to school and learn and uh be able to you know perform well in school Alice you know looking at the backstory this is in preparation for an apple plant coming to Florida For what plant Apple
Okay Apple plant Okay Stop Uh all right So um I and listen Commissioner Viscara you and I are are um these kinds of things are normally aligned Um I I don't agree I feel differently I I see it from a totally different perspective because
I think that um and and what we decide here is not going to change it either way And I can appreciate your your um your concern but for me it's the the kids that are working and and and they
need to work uh which we know there are many families where the kids need to work and not necessarily because for the parents they may their the money they're making may be the only money that they get and me as someone that started working uh when I was like 11 um I
didn't have any I don't know where you started working vice mayor but I I I I was working when I was 12 babysitting and whatnot but no I'm saying like I I I had just moved so but let me just finish because I don't want to delay this and and again I can appreciate what you're saying but for the fact that this allows
now 13-year-olds that are going to be 14 to go get a job at McDonald's or at Publix Um a lot of the kids that I speak to in our community are very they're ambitious They want to start working and so I can appreciate that this could potentially hurt vulnerable communities
and that this is necess not necessarily for us The 14 year olds can can and by the way they're not going to be working the the midnight shift right And there are avenues for that And if you're in in a in a a hardship position and the
family needs a 16-y old to work there are waiverss for that So but what this does I think about the foster kids that that that's a population that that gets me the most because some there's wonderful foster parents and God bless them really because we we need so much
more than that But there's some that are already being like just used for the check And now those f those bad uh foster parents can then exploit them by sending them to work And even if they're bright and they can manage in school they're destroying
those futures You know there's there's no need to remove these protections for those kids We're we're making it worse for them Our kids they're 14 They want to work And a lot of us have businesses Tax laws allow for that by the way and and our kids don't want to work the
midnight shift right Nor would we let them because they have to take algebra in the morning Um there there's there's already ways that teenagers can work and can work well uh and safely but we we are we can't think about our kids Our
kids are fine We have to think about the ones that are uh that don't have the benefit of loving families and you know so I don't think it's a it's a big leap here to support bad legislation Okay I got
a I actually got um message about this uh item and I'm going to read it He says supporting Florida Senate Bill 918 and House Bill 1225 justify because these bills aim to
modernize and streamline regulations governing the employment of minors uh thereby enhancing work force flexibility while maintaining essential protections This bill uh remove outdated restrictions on works on work hours I'm
sorry for 16 and 17 years old allowing them greater opportunities to gain valuable work experience without compromising their education Erh Senate Bill 18 eliminates specific time and hour limits during a school period for these older minors While the House bill
allows 14 years old to work during summer vacations and adjust restrictions for younger minors to align with federal law ensuring consistency It says also that additionally both bill remove the department of business professional regulations waiver authority reducing
bureaucratic hurdles So which is something I will always support These changes empower minors particularly those in nontraditional education programs to contribute economically while preserving safeguard like meal breaks and exemptions for a specific
roles fostering a balanced approach to youth employment Also they told me that it's being installed in the in Talahasi and they have no expectation that it's going to move forward Right Okay May I may I ask something Where's that text from that
you just read He sent it to me by one of the um aids of one of the representatives Okay Okay I I can share with you Yeah Yeah Yeah It sounds good but it's really a marketing sales pitch Clearly Yeah And it's uh on the two sides Yeah Well yeah You on the good
side of what No On the on both sides The one that against it they say why and the one that but I mean you got to look at the facts I mean you got to look at the facts that Oh I read it to you know they are Yeah I mean they're looking at extending the amount of hours you could work per week for these kids and then
also working into late hours So you know I mean to me this is a no no I mean no matter how well they write how beautifully written those pitches are it is what it is You know we need to see through that you know because these are
politicians that perhaps are in some sort of bind And I don't know what lobby groups or interest groups are behind that And we need to understand the context of this We need to protect the kids I don't see this an opportunity for
13 a 14 Empower a third Empower what I mean we need to protect them These are young kids These are very uh fragile you know minds and we need to protect these kids Period Yeah Yeah Clearly But for example the kids that they want to work
during summer vacations right now before they cannot get paid but they cannot get paid under 16 right now they cannot get paid And by the way right now we have for example in Ipic we have our young people that I know
working until very late at night So they always find the loophole how to make them Like I know our ATM students that they live in our city they are working in IP because I see them you know at night And so like I said whoever like I said before whoever is going to behave
bad and explode uh and look how they're going to do it And uh so again this legislation is not moving anywhere It's not going to pass Then if that's the case we should go back to the industrial revolution and they'll just have kids you know working in these factories Yeah All right So
okay Okay So I um I take a motion So I'll make a motion Second by I'll second Okay All in favor I opposed It's okay All right Next item
9S is a resolution expressing support for Florida Senate Bill 430 and Florida House Bill6007 relating to cardiac emergencies So this is another one I talked to you guys about earlier Um I was um lucky to to have been invited to that
subcommittee meeting where that but I wasn't I didn't go for that um item but I was very impressed by it Um and it's one of the sponsors is actually a one H high aliyah uh representative Uh so it's basically
um requiring the presence of the of the portable defibrillators in every school and the training that goes along with it Uh they said there's like a threem minute window um where you can really uh make a difference and having the right
equipment and training can save a life And what they said in the hearing was four four students I I think they said four students a day that have cardiac uh a cardiac incident in in the state every
day I I really had no idea that it was that common So this is a um an easier one and it's moving very well So it's expected to uh I think this one will will make it Mauricio I'm assuming we don't have any public comments since
there's no one here Um thank you Commissioner Riscara for for bringing this This is uh this has been something that's actually I was surprised has not been done earlier This has been discussed by the uh um National Heart Association for years and the National Heart Association was was at
the subcommittee to to offer support But it's these are the kinds of things that you just assume are are in place like you know and if you don't have a kid with that kind of issue um you just assume it's it's in place and it isn't So and often you don't know actually if
your kid might be well that was one of the stories right that you don't know if there's a heart defect Yeah Um and and for the record u um deputy manager can you just please let us know where our defiills are We have them on every floor but yes every floor And at Pelican At
Pelican at Gateway and at Heritage I believe we do have them at Heritage And our staff knows where they are All of our staff is CPR AED trained Perfect Thank you Okay Um I'll take a motion M Would you like to make a motion I need a
second All in favor Okay Next item Excuse me Yes Uh 19 is a resolution supporting Florida Governor Tantes executive order number 2544 and the establishment of the executive office of the governor department of efficiency
team proclaiming the city of Sunny Al Beach's intention to fully cooperate and submit to state financial audit and for the city to engage in and lead its own initiative by continuing to conduct its own financial audits Okay this is um
being co-sponsored with with uh Commissioner Stuison and I just want to say a few words Um you know we talked about this during the workshop Um but for me this is not just supporting the governor's executive um order which we don't have a choice We have to abide and
I believe the manager confirmed that we've already um sent a letter to the governor saying that we will Um this is in no way um implying that we have any issues with with our auditing with our uh budgeting
I think that we have incredible uh professional people We're lucky to have them This is more about uh a change in philosophy Um and taking it a step further I'm actually surprised that we're not already using AI in a lot of what we're doing not just in budgeting
but potentially looking at uh our processes Um I I can tell you that every single one of my kids including the 12-year-old feels very comfortable using AI Um and that's just the direction it's going And um for us not to embrace that
would just be backwards And I'm um I know that Commissioner Riskar had um reservations about it I'm ready Good But I want to give Commissioner Sus an opportunity first if she wants to say something about it Just that it promotes
u fiscal responsibility and accountability It shows that we're looking and we want to be smart with the way we are spending the people's money because it's our money And um there is already proof that Dutch and nationally
has uh saved a lot of money and hopefully we can find other ways to be more um better stewardships of what we are supposed to be doing Right Okay Commissioner Viscar did you want to say something Yes Okay Um you ready I'm
ready I have my counter arguments that I got from AI by I had some questions I'm sure they said you were right Um okay So just a question Obviously there's a there's an executive order Our job is to comply Like I'm never going to
say otherwise right Uh but that's not what this is saying right Because if that's all that we're saying I would tell you this is another nothing burger We don't need to waste ink and paper to say we're going to comply with the law So I'm good with the compliance with the law Um this says that we will let's see
the city of San Beach hereby affirms its intention to fully cooperate with Doge which I that the state version I guess right State right And and this is my my question What does it mean to participate in a comprehensive state financial audit What does that mean Is
that different than what we're already doing No that's exactly what we're doing But with with the um um governor correct me if I'm wrong um Mr City attorney this just means if they are have any uh
questions of us we are obligated to respond Well the executive order essentially is directed to state agencies that basically directs them to use publicly available information to find ways for
efficiency and so on and so forth There's no directive in the executive order specifically to municipalities but obviously if typically you want to cooperate with the governor's office if they do ask for information that information in any event is public
record right So you'd have to provide it anyway right So So far I'm not hearing a reason for this right Because we're already we would have to comply if they can't find it which they probably could right by by public records request
So So I ask you again what does it mean to participate in a comprehensive state financial audit What does that mean to you It's exactly what it says that if we are asked to participate in any u audit that we would but we already do that For me this is not necessarily just that It
takes it further and that's my point and I know that but that's my question So what does it mean So I will say that because I want to be very careful and not to create more work by trying to do this and allocate more resources by
suggesting that we need to do something extra because some of some different municipalities and different agencies have chosen to actually put together committees and uh look for consultants and and do all the things that I'm trying to avoid this for me and
Commissioner Stewen if it's something different for you please chime in is about the philosophy and how we do things and I would like to know that we are forward thinking and so that when there is an opportunity for anyone
during the budget process to use AI that they are encouraged to do so because I don't I would take that out I would say the city of San Beach hereby affirms its intention to fully cooperate with Doge
as part of its ongoing commitment because to me participate in a comprehensive state financial audit sounds extra I don't mind taking that out Okay Uh my other one going two down whereas the city commission wishes to implement a Tony initiative to use
artificial intelligence So we talked about this in the last was it when was it The last was it last month Last month Okay Um and we talked about exploring it Again I I I objected because I don't trust it Uh but I I was outvoted and
that's fine Well out discussed maybe Um so we was was I think agreed with you We gave the the direction to explore it Um and and I'm okay with exploring but here it says implementing And again we're
giving direction I don't re we said we should talk to finance we should talk to it Um it reminds me of the conversation we had about software where uh they they're working with it they have their preferences and rather than us telling us you should use this software because
we like their logo or you know so again it's that that word implement I I think I I would prefer exploring because we don't know I haven't spoken to to Tiffany or it I I have no idea whether it's a reasonable request or not It
probably is for the reasons we talked about I AI is is but I I don't know that I haven't had that conversation and that didn't come up in the Tuesday meeting So um the city commission wishes to implement its own initiative to use I to me I don't think
we're there I think we're exploring Let me let me clarify for what that means to me So for for me it means that if or rather when um any department but specifically during the budget process because as we know each department presents their own budget and then
everything's kind of combined So I'm looking at it from the practical point of view and I'll give you an example So if I am uh a director for uh you know for afterare or camp and I have to come up with a a budget for how many soccer
balls to buy so on and so forth Um rather than doing the same old same old which whatever that is I know that it is somewhat antiquated I know that for instance we still use Amazon for certain things Um and maybe that's not the cheapest way to go about it So maybe
there are AI tools that that person that director can can look at to see okay where where can I find savings how what tools can I use to be able to to to for instance forecast I'm going to have 30 kids playing soccer I'm not against any of it to me it sounds good but we've
already established I'm not the AI person right to me it sounds wonderful but I'm I I'm not in a position I don't think we are to tell finance how to do it I'd like to hear from them So I agree I don't want to tell them uh you know go
implement this but I'm okay with telling them try it explore it Could we change it to try I am very comfortable with the resolution as it is You know I I I don't see the need to any change Um there is no mandate as it is right now We should
not be scared of cooperating um or implementing new technology Um and I fully um trust what the governor and his office do is doing So I'm I'm totally fine as it is Let me ask the the
city manager um or maybe the attorney the way that this is written um does this in any way tie the hands of anybody that's putting together the budget or does this more in the spirit of what I'm doing here encourage um the use of of
AI with the word implement It could be right I mean it the the scope of it is a little because it mixes support for the executive order but does has l does have language as commissioner pointed out um of the
intention to fully cooperate and then to also implement So um is it a directive to the city manager to employ this of his employees No But certainly the commission is put in its intentions that
it wants it implemented So I mean it could be interpreted that way but it's not it's certainly not a directive to the city manager that he has to implement it right Because if we did we would have to actually list the the specific tools and what and how right
And you'd have to go through probably go through procurement and all these other right And that's not what I'm suggesting Okay Vice Mayor yeah I have a question So you stated uh Mr Attorney that the executive order the state executive order is
intended for state agencies right We are not a state agency right We are not a state agency It does not um it does not include municipalities No the only mention of local governments is for those agencies to look at local to use publicly available information to look
at local governments and make determinations or review them and so on and so forth But there's no directives to or to local governments themselves Okay Okay Now um so this is basically symbolic in
nature if we're voting on this Well not just symbolic It it it is it No it is a change in in the philosophy of of how we're going to go about um for me specifically when I'm going to be I can
tell you that when I'm going to be looking at the budget and we're going through through those steps uh I'm going to be using various tools to compare to make comparisons So what I'm asking for is there be a change in philosophy of how some of our processes are completed at this time No but I'm saying symbolic
in the sense that we are going to be supporting this executive order Oh it does not preclude us from us saying you know what AI is right now a great tool and we're going to start adop adopting
AI for our own budget um let's say analysis see where we could create efficiencies etc etc So I I mean I think we could do that on our own So I mean this is great It's symbolic in the sense
that you know we're going to you know support this executive order I I just don't understand Are we going to be reporting Hey you know what We're using AI every day I use AI five times this day Today participating in their initiative So what are we going to be
reporting anything to them We're going to be opening I'm not requesting right now any report No All we have to do is acknowledge it and agree and our books are open anyway Yes You don't you're not required to open Yeah You're not
required to acknowledge it Well we had to respond with a letter That was a different inquiry though Deputy city manager Did you see the that was the letter that we got from the governor that we had to respond to And we did Yeah I know But what was the request um
to respond whether we have had any um like debt defi Yeah Not being able to pay loans or pay bills um bonds delinquencies Yeah I'm not aware of any other that
that has nothing to do with this No Okay All right I mean listen it's it's a resolution Um it does not include municipalities I I I understand your excitement about you know supporting this but I think it's
something we could do on our own We don't need the states you know and then I'm always worried about home rule and where do we draw the line because I don't want the state or any centralized government coming to me and saying you got to do this this way And I'm like no
central government we know our residents We know our town better We need to do it this way Oh no no no I mean we always have this fight with Tallahassee Yeah Yeah But that's not what I'm suggesting And the governor's order expires March 2026 Yeah No no I understand But we need
to be very careful I agree with you I'm I'm a big proponent of of this this this kind So I I just don't want I don't want to reject something just because it feels like it's overstepping some boundary I think No no I I see it as more symbolic which is fine You know
it's a resolution Um but on the state side is an executive order So you know we we could support it It's it's it's symbolic but what I'm trying to say is that we have sovereignty you know and
and and and we could do certain things on our own too So that's what I'm trying to say I mean you know you might love the legislature at the state level etc etc but we need to be we need to threat very carefully is what I'm trying to say
because we need to keep home rule We know the residents We live here So keep that in mind So let's go to a vote Wait I I also don't like the word submit because it goes to the home rule thing like submit to a state financial audit
We can cooperate with an audit We already have to though Well we cooperate with it Whatever that I don't think this is necessary I think we're already doing what we're supposed to do Um and and you're potentially opening the door to to Yeah
I I don't Sorry I think in the end it's nothing burger Sorry Okay No problem I'm a no Okay But we have to get a motion I know But I'm still a no Make a motion Okay Second Okay You are against do He's for home rule Nothing about dodge
All right This motion fail Excellent Motion to adjurnn No We have discussion don't we No What discussion Yes I have I have a discussion I have a discussion item We don't have any discussion item Well we have let's
see 11 is citizens forum petitions and other communications So I have something to discuss Can we finish this motion though Are we done We're done Yes The motion has officially died But we don't have any discussion items We did that
during our I have a discussion item Okay It needed to be added in the beginning of the meeting No No no no There this is citizens forum So go on the other side Okay So in any event wait wait wait Let's do this correctly No procedurally
you the commission would have to agree Okay So I have something to discuss Is everyone open to hearing it Technically you're supposed to identify what it is Can we please let's do this correctly Could we identify your discussion item Yes make it clear so we all know exactly
how long we're going to be here It has to do with a recent event in the city What recent event It was at a an event at the Russian Habad where there were um elected officials from throughout the
county that were invited and the commissioners from Sunny Isles were not invited Okay So I would like to have a discussion regarding that Was this a city event It was an event that was
um conducted by the mayor Okay This is not city business It's a discussion item It's not city business But it's a discussion item I understand But I want to cl but I want to get clarification from the attorney Yes Why are we Why would we discuss an
event that happened in the city that has nothing to do with because there was an Okay Can I answer No I'd like to get the attorney to please clarify Well I mean I I can't really opine on that because I don't have the facts of the situation or I don't know what the issue is but the
commission would have to vote to add it before it's discussed Okay Okay So does anyone want to have the discussion Sure I'm okay Make a motion Uh so moved I make a motion to discuss
to discuss the issue at hand about the event at the Russian Habad Correct Yes Okay We need a second Who two seconds I'm sorry Good So I would like please
clarification as to I know that it was a Israeli wheelchair athlete event Correct And please correct me if I misstate anything Okay I need you to clarify for me what exactly we're talking about We're
talking about an event at the Russian Habad On what date Excuse me It was within the last two weeks Okay The Russian Habad has many events Okay This was a I believe it was an isal Israeli
wheelchair athlete event uh honoring Israeli wheelchair athletes Is that correct Again this is not city business The Russian Habad has many events Okay It was within the last two weeks where
there were all kinds of elected officials from throughout the county invited and I was I went to have gone to the Russian Habad Seder I had many many many people asking me who I guess a
few of them were present asking why were there no commissioners from Sunny Isles Commissioner Joseph I can absolutely not answer your question This is not a city event This was not my event This is an event as you stated at the Russian Kabad
No I spoke with the rabbi This was not his event He rented the space Okay So you know a lot of information Go ahead Well I I know that you were in charge of the invitations So I was not in charge of the invitations Well the Okay So the the
person from Israel would not have known who to invite I'm I'm struggling to understand your point So you're saying that there was an event that happened in our city in a private location which I attended You
were on the podium as the mayor You stated that you were the mayor of Sunny Isles I am the mayor of Sunny Isles Correct Yes and you were present I go to many events I understand that But you were there
Are you upset that I personally didn't invite you as my plus one It's a No Okay that is it's it's about being an embarrassment for the commission and the residents of Sunny Isles and that you uh
did the invitations um maybe and I was told that we weren't invited because you were censured and I don't think that was right I take incredible insult to what you're
saying right now First of all you're making we're not going to do this again Okay let me explain I I'm going to say this and then I'm going to adjourn the meeting because this is ridiculous Any one of us here can attend any private event that has nothing to do with the
city as this was Anyone of us here can be a part of that event in whichever way we'd like to be Whomever is invited to these events is up to the person that is paying for the event Okay In this case this was a nonprofit organization that
worked with the rabbi Okay That invited me and that allowed rabbi had nothing to do with it The rabbi told me personally he had nothing to do with it He just rented the space The space wasn't rented He gave it for free Well whatever the case was he it wasn't he wasn't a part
of the event right He gave it for free So he's very much a part of the event But that's not the point The point is is that it doesn't matter who I personally invited or not This was not my event My personal invitations have nothing to do with what the event sponsors or the
organizers were doing There was over 350 something people there Correct Okay So about this Israeli wanted veterans event uh it's not the first time that they are hosting an event here in the city Um and
as far as I I'm concerned and I can only speak about me uh I never been not invited not informed Actually I usually also find out about these events after the fact Maybe for the same reason that
Jerry is pointing out when people ask me why weren't you there And I say well I cannot be there if I don't even know that this event exists And I've been uh told that the rumor and that this is a sad rumor is that we the commission
except from the mayor we don't want to participate So I just want to also state on the record that I had never been invited to any of the events of the um Israeli wounded veterans or any other organizations similar to those And I have not been able to attend because I
had not been invited not even made aware of the event beforehand So yeah it is a little bit embarrassing because it does open the door for speculation because uh seeing people or seeing elected official
from everywhere in Miami and Brower and asking the commissioners from the city where the event is being held it does give a very bad impression and it opens for speculation So I can appreciate that
and again I think that this is a ridiculous conversation but I will say to you so that you have a better understanding as to who the local officials were There's people from Aventura that had their own tables and were free to invite whoever they wanted
So I am sorry they did not invite you They did not necessarily invite their own fellow commissioners I have no idea who they invited The point is is that this is a private event and the organizers decide who they wanted to invite If you knew about this organization then you were free to contact them I'm sure they would have
been very happy to invite you That's not the point This is not something that's decided by me at all And I go to many events Many people have various tomorrow for instance I am I mean Sunday I'm going to be going to an event that I was
invited to Is there an expectation that I would force them to invite the entire commission Is it in Sunny Isles Yes Oh it's in Sunny Isles Yes It's a private event Mhm That would be ridiculous How could I do that What is that It does It's not the point The point is is
that there's things happening We are a vibrant city a very vibrant city There are things happening that are in support of Israel There are things happening in support of various organizations We have hundreds of 501c3s here So yesterday there was an event for
uh on Wednesday there was an event at the Kuanas Were you invited I'm not a part of the quantis Okay you don't have to be But that's my my point is if you would like to be a participant in any of these things they are not only
open but they would love to have more participation That's their whole point That's their mission It is not my job or an expectation of me to ask every single person that invites me to something especially when it has nothing to do with Sunny Alles Beach at all that I
would then impose on them and say "You must also invite every member of the commission especially when it's not a city event." Does anyone else have anything to say No Okay Thank you Mayor We We have uh the
citizens forum We have David Vergle Oh you snuck in David So good evening mayor vice mayor and commission My name is David Virgil My address is 17500 North Fair Road St Alis Beach I just want to say I think the
additions of the paths at Gwen Margolus Park that connect the benches and tables are a great addition because it helps with accessibility for people with wheelchairs to get to the tables and it's better for the elderly residents who live nearby I also remember in the
last meeting someone said the agenda review was a private meeting It's not private it's public The public could attend It's not on the video but I mean anyone is welcome to go and record if they wanted to Um and also I got here
late today because it was Holy Thursday I was attending a mass and it would be great if next year you all could take into consideration if there's a holiday to postpone the meetings or like what's usually done sometimes I I appreciate
that and um I think that we all all in agreement because I actually was thinking that this week but it was a little bit too late when I was late So thank you And now I understand why you were not here on your regular seat Yeah it was like the first meeting like six years that I expect you to be here next
month We're going to mark you tardy David Um yes Um city clerk if you can please So just to be clear avoid major avoid this week This week Yeah Yeah Holy week Avoid avoid Well avoid
the uh Good Friday week Tomorrow's Good Friday We could do it on a Tuesday I guess No Tuesday But is it the the entire week that we're looking to avoid or I know we don't normally do this but let's just get clarification since you're here Tuesday is a day as well Holy week is usually the week before
Easter It's the entire week Yeah And Easter usually follows the Sunday after the first full moon of spring So it's different every year Okay So that's I'll avoid this whole week Yeah Yeah Avoid the whole week It's going to be different every year Yeah Yeah But we
could with masses in the evening though Yeah It's in the evening like at 10 p.m We could potentially do it earlier Yeah Yeah Cuz it's actually three major there's Holy Thursday Good Friday and then there's Easter Sunday Easter Yeah Saturday the vigil and then uh Sunday
But Thursday is uh today is Holy Thursday Okay Thank you All right Okay Thank you