--------- Okay, mayor. We're ready. Okay, so >> thank you. Commissioner Joseph >> present. >> Commissioner Cyson, Commissioner Viscara >> here. >> Vice Mayor Lama >> here. >> Mayor Fetchin. >> All members present, ma'am.
>> Okay, great. If I can get everyone to stand up for the pledge of allegiance. Ari, would you lead lead us, please? >> I pledge allegiance >> to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. >> We have an invocation. >> Yes. Thank you, mayor and commissioners for the invitation. Again, as always, it's a
pleasure being here. This is a prayer for the city. In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Amen. Oh God of mercy and justice, we lift up our city to you, its streets, its homes,
its people. May your presence dwell among us, bringing peace where there is unrest, hope where there is despair, and light where there is darkness. Bless our leaders with wisdom and compassion.
Guide those who serve, our police, firefighters, and educators. Protect the vulnerable, have led the poor and the homeless, and comfort the lonely. Heavenly Father, we come before you
today with humble hearts, seeking your guidance and grace for our beloved city. We ask for your blessings upon its streets, neighborhoods, and inhabitants. May peace and unity prevail within our community.
Grant us the wisdom to support each other, postering love and understanding among diverse cultures and backgrounds. Help us to work together for the common good, lifting those in need and sharing compassion with the vulnerable.
May every person feel value and respected. And may hope thrive in every heart. Surround our families with your light and shield our children as they grow and learn in this city. Guide our leaders with wisdom and
integrity. May they make decisions that honor the well-being of all residents, prioritizing justice and equality. Let them lead by example, inspiring us to engage in acts of service and
community building. As we face challenges, we ask for resilience and strength. Help us to overcome division and negativity, turning our city into a beacon of hope and solidarity.
We thank you for the beauty and potential within our community. May we always thrive to build a city that reflects your love and grace. We especially pray for our health care workers, for the doctors, nurses,
therapists, and caregivers who labor day and night to bring healing and comfort. May their hands be instruments of your healing and their hearts be filled with your peace. Let our city be a place of refuge and
renewal, where neighbors care for one another, where children grow in safety and joy, and where your love is known and shared. May we be instruments of your peace, working together to build a community
rooted in justice, kindness, and truth. Amen. >> Amen. Thank you. >> Okay, so the first item that we have on the agenda are the approval of the minutes for the regular city commission meeting on August 18th, the special city
commission meeting on September 13th, the first budget hearing, special city commission meeting on September 11th, the second budget hearing, and the regular city commission meeting on September 17th. And just to note for the record, um, mayor and commissioners, we had a small revision on the minutes for
the September 11th second budget hearing to include a public speaker, uh, Mr. Steven Hirs. >> Okay, I'll take a motion. >> So moved. >> Need a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I order business.
>> Uh, let's do your opening statement, mayor. >> Okay. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We appreciate your attendance and thank you for joining us tonight. Before we begin, there are a few important reminders regarding conduct during our commission
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If you exceed the threeminut allotment, the chair will advise you to finish your comment. If you speak out of turn without permission from the chair and or you do not cease speaking after one warning, you will be escorted out of chambers. In order to maintain orderly conduct and
or proper decorum at these meetings, anyone who interferes with the orderly process of the meetings after a warning may be removed from the meeting and may be barred from further appearance before the city commission as permitted in S286, 0114,
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essential that attendees adhere to these rules of procedure to ensure productive meetings that serve both the public and the city commission. Thank you for your cooperation and understanding. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. So, we have a couple of changes to
tonight's agenda. Mayor Commissioners, items 5A, which is a zoning application for a site plan modification at 17749, has been deferred. Item 5B, request from MBRE Investments for a site plan
approval at 19051 Collins Avenue, has been deferred. Item 8A, which is an ordinance amending the text of the future land use element of the comprehensive plan, has also been deferred,
as well as items 9P, a resolution for the purchase and sale agreement of the property at 1915 North Bay Road and 9Q, which is a resolution approving the issuance of a proclamation for Childhood
Cancer Awareness Month. >> Okay. Can I get a motion? >> So move second. All >> in favor? >> I >> Okay, great. Um before we start, welcome everyone. It's nice to see there's a lot of people in the audience. So um you
heard the opening remarks, but please if you want to speak on any item, please go ahead and fill out a public speaker card. If you change your mind, you can just say I changed my mind, but once um the item um has started, you you're not going to be able to speak. So just do that right now. Um and then some of
those items that are removed if you want to just take note of that in case you want to speak about any of those items. Um okay Mauricio. >> Okay. So, ordinance for first reading. 6A is an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Sunny Alles Beach, Florida, repealing chapter 150 of
the code of ordinances entitled exterior walls and awnings amending chapter 265, article two of the land development regulations entitled definitions and rules of construction to define the color the city color palette creating article 8 of the land development
regulations entitled architectural and design standards to establish citywide design regulations including exterior color and material material requirements, providing for repealer, providing for servability, providing for codification, and providing for an effective date.
>> Okay. Uh good evening again, mayor, vice mayor, and commissioners. Um we just heard this item as part of the LPA, but uh for the purposes of this meeting, I'm going to provide another brief overview of the ordinance. Um so this is regarding our exterior color and materials, which is currently regulated
and has been so since 1998. Um this ordinance does three specific things. Um it moves the regulations from chapter 150 into the land development regulations of chapter 265. Um this is more clear for administrative
purposes that this is a zoning regulation and it also allows um procedural clarity in case anyone wants to vary from the color or material requirements. Uh the second thing that this ordinance achieves is it allows for accent colors. Specifically, 25% of the
exterior wall surface area can be black, dark brown or dark gray. And then finally, um the ordinance creates a definition for the city color palette. Um and that is to be adopted by resolution of the city commission. So
this um improves efficiency by now we can amend um to add or remove colors to the city color palette by resolution rather than by an ordinance which requires two readings. Um should this ordinance move uh be approved for first reading tonight when it comes back to
you for second reading we'll have a companion resolution for you to consider and formally adopt the city color palette. Uh so with that I'm available if you have any questions. >> Okay. Thank you. Mara do we have any public speakers? >> No ma'am. Any questions from the commission? >> No. >> I'll take a motion, please. >> Motion.
>> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Oh, wait. This is an ordinance. >> This is an ordinance. Yes. Okay. Commissioner Joseph, >> yes. >> Commissioner Stivverent, >> Commissioner Viscaro,
>> yes. >> Vice Mayor LMO, >> yes. >> Mayor Fetchin, >> yes. >> The ordinance passes on first reading. The second reading will be scheduled for November. >> Okay. Next item, please. Next item is 6B, an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Sonia Alles Beach, amending
section 26-3 of the city's code of ordinances titled city commission resolution to provide election information, change of polling places, amending section 26-5 titled canvas of election return, certificate of election, amending section 26-6
titled qualifying as a candidate for mayor or city commissioner fee amending ing section 26- excuse me section 26-7 titled supplemental qualifying period amending section 26-8
titled contents filing and form of oath amending section 26-9 titled names of qualified candidates to be printed on ballot amending section 26-10 titled installation of new officers amending section 26-13
titled election Amending section 26-14 titled terms of office residential areas term limits. Amending section 26-16 titled vacancies forfeite of office filing of vacancies repealing section 26-11
titled repealer repealing section 26-15 titled qualifications providing for servability providing for repealer providing for inclusion in the city code providing for an effective date. So, mayor and commissioners, this ordinance comes forward to you. Um, it was
discussed at length during the city commission workshop in September. Um, I'll go briefly over the main points unless you all want me to go one by one on what the changes are, but primarily
the um biggest change or one of the the bigger changes is regarding the qualifying period. Right now, the city or the city code provides for the qualifying period to be between the 84th
and 81st day. Uh this ordinance uh changes that to the 92nd and 88th. So basically that's moving it up a week and adding an extra day for it to be for the full four full week 5 days. Uh the next change
is regarding the supplemental qualifying period. So in the event that after qualifications >> when can you just tell us what section you're in when you're >> Yes. Yes. Okay. So that previous section regarding the qualifying dates can be found in section 26-6.
>> Thank you. >> 26-7 the supplemental qualifying period. This would be in the event of the death, removal, or withdrawal of a qualified candidate resulting in only one candidate remaining um on the ballot.
So, this would provide for an additional two days of qualifying period to see if there's anyone else in the city that can qualify to run for office. If not, then that person would be uh deemed to be duly elected as uh as a result of not having any opposition.
And also just to go back for one second, this is also these changes are born out of the amendments to the charter that were made in 2023. So we're just making it consistent throughout 26-10, the installation of officers. This is um
as a result of of those changes to the charter. Um the election results will now be accepted on the 14th day after the results have been certified and the city commission will call for a special meeting to accept those results and then to install those
officers to enter into the discharge of their duties. Okay. The other significant change or addition I should say is uh found in section 26-12 paragraph F
and this um addresses the the unlikely events of there being a tie after a runoff election. So if you all recall uh during the discussion that we had in September, I mentioned that it would be
prudent for us and a best practice to make sure that our code uh specifies the procedures to address the tie in the event that there is one after a runoff election. So after researching several municipalities, um
I included some some language there, a procedure. It's just a suggestion that I'm making to you all. You all are free to to change it, to take it out, to propose something else. But basically what what happened is that if there is a
tie, um we would hold a special city commission meeting and the two candidates would be present with the representatives. It would be a meeting that would be open to the public as well. Uh, their names would be printed 10 times each on identical pieces of
paper of both weight and color would be placed inside a container, a clear container, shaken, and then the city clerk would put their hand in, draw a piece of paper out, read the name out loud, and then
after a post audit, uh, would declare the the winner. And then that's pretty much the gist of it, commissioner. So if there's any questions or if you want me to go more detailed on anything. >> Do we have any public speakers? >> No public speakers.
>> Okay. Does anyone have any questions? I know we went into um in great lengths, but does anyone have any additional questions? New questions. I'll take a motion then. >> I'll make a motion. >> I I have a question. So the the the pieces of paper, do we know the measurement of those?
>> It'll be big enough to fit their name, >> huh? >> Big enough to fit their name. >> It's not. Okay. >> Yeah. So it's all be uniform so that there's no distinction. >> Something something of the like. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Um >> you like a fortune cookie paper.
>> Okay. Can we >> Does anyone have any questions? Because we have a motion on the table >> with impervious concrete. Keep it serious. >> Sorry. >> All right. Do we have a second? >> I'll sec. >> Okay. This is an ordinance.
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Syson. >> Commissioner Viscaro. >> Yes. >> Commissioner, excuse me. Vice Mayor Lama. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Joseph. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fetchin. >> Yes. >> The ordinance passes on first reading. Second reading will be scheduled for
November. >> Thank you. Next item, please. Next item is 9C which is an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Sunny Als Beach, Florida creating chapter 187 of the code of ordinances of the city of Sunny Alles Beach entitled vessels and
waterways >> to establish >> 6C. >> 6C. >> What did I say? >> 9. Excuse me, I meant 6. >> I apologize. >> That's right. >> 6C. An ordinance of the city commission of the city of Sunonny Alis Beach, Florida, creating chapter 187 of the code of
ordinances of the city of Sunny Al Beach entitled vessels and waterways to establish regulations of the anchoring of certain vessels upon the city's jurisdictional waters providing for implementation repealer severability codification and an effective date.
>> Okay. Mayor, vice mayor, commissioners. Uh this last legislative session, um the legislature passed HB481, uh which uh amended section 327.60 of the Florida statutes, giving some
additional, um ability for local governments within counties that have a certain population to further regulate uh anchoring of vessels within their jurisdictional waterways. uh at your direction. We've prepared an ordinance
uh to do that. Um you really didn't have anything in your code with regards to vessels and waterways. So we were creating or suggesting to create chapter 187 dealing with that. Uh so this particular ordinance is drafted uh does
three critical things. One, uh, as the statute permits, uh, it regulates and prohibits overnight anchoring within your jurisdictional waters for a period of 30 days or more within a six-month period.
So, if you're going to over if you you can go ahead and anchor overnight, but you have a limitation of 30 days, and that's within a six-month period. Additionally, and previously in the statute, there was also provisions where you as a city could restrict and or
regulate live aboard vessels, floating structures, and commercial vessels excluding commercial fishing vessels um and how they anchor in the city. Since it's permitted by the statute, I put that in there as well where that would not be be permitted at any time. So no
house boats, floating structures like barges that act as restaurants or venting or so on so forth and commercial vessels that are not fishing vessels. And that's primarily it. It would be enforced through uh because it is a city ordinance and not a state statute. It
would be enforced through chapter 14 uh and we've set forth the fines and the procedures that are already in place in chapter 14 with due process, special magistrate appeal and so on and so forth. Okay. Thank you. Do we have public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> Are there any comments or questions from
the commission? >> I'll take a motion, please. >> I'll make a motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> Mauricio. >> Commissioner Viscaro? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Lama? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Joseph? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Styverent?
>> Mayor Spetchan? >> Yes. >> The ordinance passes on first reading, second reading is scheduled for November. >> Okay. Next item, please. 60 is an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Sunny Alis Beach, Florida, amending ordinance number 2024-168,
approving budget amendment number BA242507 to the city's operating and capital improvement budget with the 2024 2025 fiscal year. Authorizing the city manager to do all things necessary to implement the terms and conditions of this ordinance, providing for an
effective date. Mr. Mr. City Manager, >> Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the commission, this is our final budget amendment for the fiscal year, and it results in some reallocation of funds, including a
reduction in employee health insurance, and we've offset that to other funds, but close out the last fiscal year. >> Thank you. Do we have public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> Any comments or questions from the commission? >> No. >> I'll take a motion, please.
>> Motion. Second, Mauricio. >> Vice Mayor Lama. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Joseph, >> yes. >> Commissioner Styverson, >> yes. >> Commissioner Piscara, >> yes. >> Mayor Setchan, >> yes. >> The ordinance passes on first reading and second reading is scheduled for
November. >> Okay. Now we're on to resolutions. >> 9A is a resolution approving a second amendment to the agreement with Douglas Robertson to provide law enforcement accreditation consulting services. Mayor, vice mayor, members of the
commission. This is the second amendment for agreement with Mr. Robertson. He is our consultant that helps us with the accreditation for the police department in an amount not to exceed 30,000. >> Okay. Thank you. Any public speakers? >> No ma'am. >> Any comments or questions from the
commission? >> No. >> I'll take a motion, please. >> Motion. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Next item, please. 9B is a resolution approving an agreement with Bosch Enterprises for the purchase and installation of two lifeguard towers in
an amount not to exceed 2000, excuse me, $25,700. >> City manager, >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission. This allows for the purchase of two additional lifeguard stands, an amount not to exceed 25,700.
Any speakers? >> No speakers. >> Any questions or comments? >> No. >> I'll take a motion, please. >> Motion move. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Next item. >> 9C is a resolution approving a fourth amendment to the agreement with UKG
Kronos Systems for a 35day extension of the agreement. >> Manager, >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission. This allows for a 35day extension for this company UKG Kronos. They handle our police software and this
will allow us to align this contract with another with another contract. >> Okay. Do we have public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. I'll take a motion. Oh, any comments? >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Thank you. Um, just a quick question.
Mr. City Manager, during the agenda review, I believe that the finance director said about combining items, Mauricio, >> yes, we're going to combine 9D through 9H. So 9D through 9H is combined. So anyone that was planning to speak on any of those items, please uh fill out a
card. Okay. Next item. >> Okay. 9D is a resolution authorizing the expenditure of budgeted funds with Central Square Technologies for the maintenance and subscription services for certain information technology services. 9E is a resolution authorizing
the expenditure of budgeted and approved funds with PC solutions integration for hardware and software maintenance and subscription related to the city's cyber security network. 9F is a resolution ratifying an increase in the expenditure of budgeted funds for the purchase of
computer workstations and related equipment with Dell Marketing. And 9G is a resolution ratifying an increase to the purchase order with staples for the purchase of necessary office supplies and equipment for fiscal year 20 24
through 2025. And 9H is a resolution ratifying an increase to the blanket purchase order with public for the purchase of necessary goods and services for fiscal year 2024 2025. City manager, >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission. These items represent either
a renewal or year-end close out of some existing usual purchases that we make throughout the year. >> Okay. U Mauricio, do we have any speakers on those items? >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. Any comments or questions from the commission? >> No. >> Take a motion, please.
>> Motion. Second. >> All in favor? I >> Okay. 9 I is a resolution approving a first amendment to the continuing services with Keith and Associates doing business as Keith to provide landscape architectural services on an as needed
basis. Um mayor, we're also going to combine 9J and 9K. >> Okay. 9J is a resolution approving a first amendment to the continuing services agreement with Miller Lake Associates to provide landscape architectural services on an as needed
basis. 9K is a resolution approving a first amendment to the continuing services with Bromello Alam and partners to provide landscape architectural services on an as needed basis. Mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission. These are landscape
architects that we use periodically throughout the year. We procured this through the purchasing department through an RFQ. >> Okay. Mr. City Clerk, do we have any speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. Do you have any comments from the commission? >> No.
>> I'll take a motion, please. >> Motion. >> Need a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? I. >> Okay. >> Okay. So now 10 9L, excuse me. 9L is a resolution approving a second
amendment to the project agreement with BEA architects to provide professional architectural design services for the renovation of the property located at 1850 Collins Avenue. >> Mr. City Manager, Deputy Manager, >> Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners. Um
this is a second amendment to the agreement with BEA Architects, who is the designer for the building um offices next door and the future Krema. Um these changes were happening throughout the process and it includes extra money for
additional meetings if needed. However, we don't expect to use all of those. It would bring the total contract price with them to $416,18.88. >> Okay. Do we have public speakers? >> Any comments or questions from the commission?
>> I do have a few questions. Go ahead. >> So, it says that the changes are to provide a wider opening between the outside dining and interior space. that is for the building department for the restaurant or because we don't have um no drawings in in the package. So what
is it going to be the wider space >> it is it was to renovate the east uh the east wall that is used by crema. >> So this is for the restaurant >> that's for the restaurant side. Yes more marketable. So why are we paying for >> the design that we're responsible for
because we own the property >> because we decide that we want to pay for it basically and also in the rest in the relocation of the restrooms that is for creme as well. >> That was for our benefit. We were losing um too much space to have a lockout
space if they were shared restrooms between KMA and the building department. um to have access closed at night when the building department was closed. We had to have a full hallway which was taking up the size of a full office
>> but still this is the restroom for the restaurant. >> It's both. It's for the public that that comes to visit the building department and for the restaurant. I mean the relocation as well. >> So so so this is almost like a 60%
increase only for the designing of what was supposed to be an income generator property that we should be receiving millions of dollars by now. And now it becames a forever expense.
uh and still nothing is there. Uh we are going to have a state-of-the-art building department for what is supposed to be a completely virtual process, meaning that the people doesn't need to be to to go to the building department.
So, um, I hope that we understand that in the future, what is supposed to be a $200 fee to change your toilet or my toilet is going to be now a $1,000 fee to change your toilet or my toilet because this is, like I said, half a
million dollars to design a building department building that is already there is a disgrace. This is a waste of money. This has been from the very beginning um promises made, promises not
kept uh by bad politicians. Uh so I don't want to have part on any of these. I'm only happy and hopeful that it's going to take so long to finish this that the new administration next year is going to be
able to undo all this because again this is a disgrace. >> Anyone else? Commissioner Vascar. Yes, I I take issue with the $1,000 permit toilet comment. That is baseless.
>> It's not going to be $1,000. >> How do you know? How do you know? Because you know the fees that the people pay is based on the expenses of the building department. So it's not the same expense that you're going to have here in the second floor in the third floor that you're going to have in the
stateofthe-art $9 million facility. So clearly if now you're going to be in a 9 million facility instead of being here in the third floor of the of the city hall the expenses are going to be much higher especially when we have to when this is supposed to be virtual most municipalities I'm cutting into this to
help the residents of their the residents we are going against the trend of instead of lowering the expenses of building the apartment we are increasing them that's what I say I don't want to be part I don't want to part of any of
this and Yes. By default, the fees are going to continue increasing. >> That is an opinion. That is not a fact. And you're stating it as fact. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I just Commissioner No, one second. Commissioner Viscar has got the floor. Please let her finish.
>> Okay. Thank you. But I'm done. >> I just wanted to make sure that we understand >> that there are that there are opinions and there are facts. She's you're you're entitled to your opinion. Sure. Wonderful. I I think you're wrong. That's my opinion. And these this is an opinion conversation, not a factual
statement. >> Okay, that's all. >> Okay, hold on, please. Uh, Vice Mayor, did you want to ask a question? >> Yeah, then we actually not long ago revised the the fees and actually um any permit fees were decreased for for like normal homes and increase for
developers. >> Mr. City Manager. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Uh, Commissioner Stson, did you want to add something? >> Yeah. Yes. Um, like I said, I don't want to get into nothing personal, but I study with numbers. I'm economist, so I know about numbers and I know about
construction. Like you say in the previous meeting, you divorce people. I divorce people. Yes. Exactly. So, uh, this is going to be we will see in the future what is it that is going to end up being the price of a fee for a toilet today and next year whenever they move
here, if they move. >> Okay. >> Well, we just decreased the fees for regular homes in the park. >> Make sure everyone has an opportunity. I just want to state the facts out there. >> Thank you. Commissioner Joseph, do you want to add anything? >> I just want to put on the record that I've always been against the movement over to Tony Romas for the building
department. >> Okay. >> And um I'm also hopeful that this project takes a long long time so it can be uh corrected. >> Okay. Um I'll take a motion then.
Motion. >> I'll second. But I want to say that I've always been in favor of moving the building department to that building. And then we I just wanted to kind of go back and talk a little bit about the history that this commission came to the
agreement where we could do and commercialize or get some rental profit from it because the first idea was to only have a restaurant there. Okay. We've had bad experiences before with some of the rentals that we have managed
or supposedly managed. Okay. So, this commission, we had a lengthy discussion. We came to the agreement of part of that building was going to be for the building department and the other part to have some sort of, you know, cafe or restaurant. So, I just wanted to clarify
that issue and remind people. >> Thank you. Would you like to >> And I was always in favor of having the building department there. >> All right. We want to second the motion. I'll second that. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> uh any opposed? >> Opposed?
>> Okay. Raio >> 9M is a resolution awarding invitation to bid number 2541 and approving an agreement with YC Group for the Bella Vista Seaw Wall replacement project. >> Manager,
>> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission. This is to build a seaw wall or replace the seaw wall at the Bella Vista Park site. >> Okay. Mauricio, do we have public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> Any comments from the commission?
>> Take a motion then. >> I have a question. >> Go ahead, please. >> Uh, this replacement is it uh are king pilings being installed as well? I'm sorry. The question was, >> are king pilings being being installed as well
>> to to reinforce the wall? >> The it's it's a brand new wall. So, there's pilings. There is no seaw wall there now. >> There's no seaw wall. >> It's a rip wrap and some coral rock. >> Okay. So, are they originally installing king pilings? Do you know? >> Are they? Yes. It's in the design.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. I'll take a motion. So moved. >> Second, please. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I. >> Next item, please. >> 9 is a resolution rejecting proposal submitted in response to request for
proposals number 25801 titled temporary holiday theme experience. Mr. City Manager, >> Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the commission, we put this out to bid for temporary holiday themed experience and we had to reject those bids for failure
to comply with our bid requirements. >> Okay. Do we have any public speakers? Okay. Any comments from the commission? >> The bids and the requirements and the overall was not shared with us in the agenda, right?
No, it's not included in the agenda to it somewhat. Wait one second, please. >> It wasn't included as part of the agenda, but it is on file and available upon request. >> I would like to receive a a copy because this is again very similar to what
happened with the Tony Romans. We have a very qualified restaurants to rent the space uh and to spend millions of dollars on it, not us making plans or designing or nothing. um and we rejected based on the recommendation um which
apparently was a very bad recommendation back then. So with here we are kind of going into the same path of just based on a recommendation without facts and information making this decision. So no uh without the full information. I'm not
um I don't feel comfortable rejecting those bits. >> Okay. Thank you. So I would like to say >> please go ahead >> that um I was present at the agenda review and apparently uh these companies that had bid there it was requested of
them to submit financials and they did not submit their financials and that was the re the reason for them being rejected. >> Thank you Commissioner Joseph. I'll take a motion. >> So moved. >> Need a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> Any opposed? >> Okay. Next item, please. >> 90 is a resolution authorizing the participation in a lawsuit seeking, among other things, to declare that Senate Bill 180's imposition of a
blanket statewide prohibition on the exercise of home rule authority over land use the use and zoning regulations is unconstitutional and should be enjoined and retaining why Serotaa Healthman and Cole to prosecute the lawsuit. City attorney,
>> mayor, vice mayor, commissioners. Uh this was a discussion item at the last meeting where we discussed the potential joining of a lawsuit uh challenging SB80 which was passed by the legislature in the last session which severely hampers
every jurisdiction, every city and every county in the entire state of Florida from amending their land use development regulations and their comp plans um through 2027 at the very least that are
deemed um either more restrictive or more burdensome without that being defined. A 45page or 46 page lawsuit was filed September 29th uh by 25 jurisdiction, two counties and the rest
are municipalities, villages or uh or uh towns and um the initial cost for joining is $10,000. Um the there would be an additional $5,000 if it goes on appeal and then if it goes to the Florida Supreme Court
there would be an additional $5,000. But it's something that certainly needs to be challenged. In fact, it's impacting your comp plan amendment as we speak today. Three items were deferred today because of it. Uh and we've deferred something previously at other meetings.
Um, it's an an incredible encroachment on home rule and our ability, any jurisdiction's ability in the state of Florida to regulate its land use. >> Thank you. Do we have public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> Do we have comments from the commission?
>> Only that it's I mean it is a huge encroachment. Yeah. And we have to defend home rule. Um, so I mean I support it. >> Okay. Would you like to make a motion? >> I'll make a motion. I think I think Alex did you have something to say? >> No, no. I'm just agreeing. >> I'll make the motion
>> that >> or whatever. I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> Okay. Mauricio >> 9R is a resolution approving the issuance of a proclamation recognizing November
16th, 2025 as UNESCO International Day of Tolerance. This is a proclamation recognizing the international day of tolerance on November 16, 2025. This day serve as a global reminder of the importance of mutual respect,
understanding, and peaceful coexistence among diverse cultures and communities. By issuing this proclamation, the city affirms it commitment to promoting inclusivity, com conveying prejudice, and fostering a civic environment rooted
in empathy and dialogue. Approval of this proclamation will reinforce our dedication to these values and align our city with international efforts to build a more tolerant and harmonious society. >> Thank you. Do we have public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> Okay. Any comments from the commission?
Commissioner Stevenson, would you like to make a motion on your item? >> Need a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Mauricio. >> Okay. So, that's the end of the business portion of the agenda. We're now on to public speakers. >> Okay.
>> The citizens forum. First one is Vitali Faulovich. >> Move fast. >> Vitali. I know that you're um you've been here many times, so I'm just going to say this for for everybody else. Um you have three minutes. Please say your
name and your address for the record. Nice to see you. >> My name is Pak 9280 South 167, Pomero Bay, Florida. Uh thank you for allowing me to speak. Number one is one of the sergeants in San Beach Police Department was injured while in a line of duty. I
asked the council that you guys provide proclamation for his courage and thanking him for his job well done risking his life. So citizen of Pology police able to sleep safe also on several occasions as being in this meeting. I heard that attack on a man I
think it's not number one it's not appropriate. Number two is this one of the best administrations that I've seen as a visitor of Sunny Beach Police of Sunny Beach uh beach and I believe that one of the greatest thing is that as
driving here I believe that you guys are doing a great job and that starts with Madame Mayor and the the administration. Also, one of the things that I would like to mention since I've been driving here, I noticed that there's a double parking. When you come on Collins
Avenue, the trucks park and blocking the lane. And the problem is some of them did not use the emergency thing. And it can cause an accident and also cause more traffic than is here in Sy. I really appreciate the job you guys
do. And thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for your comments. They're noted. Next speaker. Diana Palasio. >> Good evening. My name is Diana Palasios and I live in 1939 Collins Avenue, Sonia Beach, Florida. And I'm here with a
group of uh membership of the owners of Ocean Va. We are requesting the city to please get involved. Um, we have hired an independent engineer to give us a comparable uh, report for the um, garage um, structure that we need to fix in our
building. But our current administration has inflated the numbers with an absurd amount of a loan of $13 million. We are on our third um, assessment right now and they're they're ready to pass the fourth assessment uh, within the next
couple of weeks. Our new board will be coming in next month and this is only six weeks short of the new board coming in if a new board is elected. Additionally, they want to include windows which the city has already told us that we don't need for the 50-year
certification. Um we have requested the DVPR to get um involved since December. It is under investigation because there is a lot of fraudulent activity and mismanagement of funds in our building. Additionally, we have requested for electronic voting. It was approved. They
refused to implement it. Um, we have also know that there is um conflict of interest with the new management group company and the bank offering the loan as the uh loan officer works for both companies right now. So, we really truly ask our representatives you here today
to please get involved because we're at this point have no idea what else to do. They're asking us to uh pay a fourth assessment which we can't afford. Um a lot of the people in our building are stranded for for money, but additionally the amount of um money that they're
requesting for each one of those projects is insane. So, thank you for your time and I really hope you can consider um getting involved. >> Thank you. And in the back you can get our contact information and also if you need to, you can make an appointment um through Myra with our PD as well. Thank
you. Next speaker, please. >> Patricia Alvarez. >> Good evening. Patricia Alvarez, 18201 Collins Avenue, Sonia Alvich, Florida 33160. The reason of my present here today is to bring to you a situation that is
occurring with Pelican. They're renting the field to adults uh at the same time that they're running the basic program in Marggo Wayne. This is a conversation I've been having since the day of Sylvia Flores was here. I went ahead and talked to Gail after
and I talked to Collins too. It's been going on for years. Many parties are complaining because at the same time that they run the programs between Monday to Friday from 4 to 8, they close the park for adults and rent a field. And basically our youth that cannot drive, they cannot go anywhere. They
don't have any other fields available for play. I've been advocating to the person in charge of the department for make an organic logistic for them to be able to rent the field in another slot, but making sure that when they are renting the field to the adults, they
have the opportunity to take a vehicle and drive other places. don't lock our kids to not have any field to practice because they are running the competitive program or they are running the soccer or whatever program they're running in the other park. So that's um it's a
petition going on also in reference of that because it's it's affecting a lot of our youth. So if you can please help the person in charge of this department to try to look for a more organic situation and please be able to provide
some slot for the adults and some adult and some for the kids when you have a when they they took away from them Sunday evenings but they left them they still read the the field on Wednesday night and Friday night but on Friday night and Wednesday night they're
actually training in when so at those two time slot is nowhere that they can go and play and practice any sport if they need it. So, if you can advocate for that, that would be amazing. >> Yes, I know you're very involved and and the city manager has been speaking to
the soccer parents, some soccer moms. So, yes, your comments are noted. Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you, Mauricio. Um I don't know if the time is working. >> Yes, it's it's not working. Next speaker, >> Patrick Dunn. Good evening, Madame Mayor, Vice Mayor,
Commission. Um Patrick Dunn, 317, 191 Terrace. Um come before you tonight, um to express a ongoing situation where I am losing the use of my backyard. Um there are couple buses that are parked
right behind the wall there underneath William Layman Causeway. And while I am do not spend the whole day nor every day of the week out there, it seems that more often than not when I'm out there with my grandkids or just trying to enjoy my backyard, these buses are left
idling sometimes up to an hour when maintenance is being performed or they are cleaning the inside of the bus. It makes my backyard completely uninhabitable. I've reached out to Mr. Morris as well as code compliance to no avail. Um, I've
just requested it's a huge parking lot back there on the north side. They could easily park these buses. They would be adjacent to an on already established parking garage. No, it's not going to happen. I said, "Okay, hey, can we turn
these buses in the opposite direction?" No, not going to happen. They can park however or wherever they want. I think it's an utter disgrace. I was also told that they only leave their buses idling up to six minutes, which I believe in one of the Florida statues it might come
into tail. Okay, this is a total fabrication. I made a request for our city's video surveillance and I ask that they do not delete any of the metadata or video that might be available to prove this that fact. I'd really like
for the commission to step up and address this problem. Thank you. Thank you, Patrick. Your comments are noted and I know you're not the only one that's complained about that. So, thank you, >> Mauricio. >> That's all, ma'am. >> Okay. All right. Thank you everyone for for coming here. I really appreciate it.
And please know that you you you've been heard. Meeting adjourned. Part: 2
Good afternoon everyone. Um, we normally start these at 3:00, but I know we have a lot of Israelis in the room that are usually laid in Spanish people, too. Oh my god. Why are we doing that? That's so fre
creepy. Good afternoon everyone. If everyone could please take your seats. There's Jerry. Look at his creamy yellow. Hello everyone. If you can please take your seats.
Take your seats, please. We're about to start. I'm not going to I'm not going to whistle. It's It's It's bad luck to whistle inside. I'm not going to g. All right, if everyone could please take
your seats. Mayor, if you can please also take your seat. Thank you. Hello. Okay. Good afternoon everyone. Welcome. It is 3:09 and I am calling this meeting
to order. Mr. City Clerk. >> Okay. Commissioner Joseph >> present. >> Commissioner Cyetent >> here. >> Commissioner Viscara >> here. >> Vice Mayor Lama >> here. Mayor Fetchin here. >> All members present me. >> Okay, great. Thank you. And
>> so we have a couple of uh changes to the agenda. First, we're going to do a couple of items out of order. Um and we're also adding on uh the proclamation for Hispanic Heritage Month. Um so if we have the consensus of the commission, we can move forward. Sure.
>> Okay. Thank you. So the first item that we're going to hear is the proclamation 2D proclamation recognizing Florida City Week. So, this proclamation recognizes Florida City Week, which will take place from October 20th through October 26, 2025.
On Monday, October 13, 2025, we launch our writing contest for our young residents in grades 6 through 8th. This initiative invites our youth to share what makes their city special and provides an opportunity to express their pride and creativity.
The contest will remain open until Friday, October 24, 2025, and the winners will be announced and recognized at the November workshop. We're excited to hear from our young residents and to celebrate their voices during Florida City Week. Flyers with additional
details are available on the back table and I am also available to answer any questions. Thank you. Thank you. >> Can we take a picture with the proclamation, please? >> Does any Are there any comments from the commission first? Nope. >> Nope. I had one comment. >> Please go ahead.
>> Um I noticed in the flyer that it um it said it would like a one-page um essay. >> Uh but my suggestion to you would be maybe to do it like a word count given that font. I don't want to go blind with
somebody who had a lot to say with a fourpoint font. Um, so maybe a word count would be a better way to frame it than uh than a page. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. All right. Let's come down. Okay. The next item is to see a
proclamation recognizing October as breast cancer awareness month. >> All right. So that's my item. Uh we uh try to um remind everyone uh every year um through um breast cancer awareness
month which is October that affects many lives uh mine included. I'm I'm my mother passed away of breast cancer almost 30 years ago and we all know somebody who's been touched by it. So um I I think it's important to learn
how to advocate for ourselves. Um especially now guidelines are changing. There's a lot of movement going around. So I would just encourage everyone to uh um don't be afraid to advocate for yourself and follow um follow the guidelines. So I I'll read the
proclamation. We're going to be presenting it to a local organization today. you can come forward and then while I read it and then you can uh then u speak. Okay. So it reads whereas too many Americans are touched by the pain and hardship caused by
breast cancer a disease that among women is not only one of the most common cancers but also one of the leading causes of cancer related cancer related deaths. Whereas October is national breast cancer awareness month which is an annual campaign to increase awareness
of this disease. And while we have seen an increase in mamography rates and a decline in death, which is good news, uh there is more we can do. National breast cancer awareness month remains dedicated to increasing public knowledge about the importance of early detection of breast
cancer diagnosis and treatment. And whereas too many women do not utilize mamography or regular intervals even even though research indicates it is the best available method of detection to decrease death rates. And whereas the
awareness campaign is sending out several key messages. Most notably the American Cancer Society continues to advise women to get annual mamograms screenings once they reach age 40. And whereas according to the National Cancer
Institute, an estimated 316,950 new cases of breast cancer will be diagnosed in 2025, accounting for 15.5% of all new cancer cases among women with approximately 42,170
projected deaths. And the 5-year relative survival rate for breast cancer is currently 91.7% reflecting the importance of early detection and continued research. And whereas the Florida Breast Cancer Foundation is dedicated to ending breast
cancer through research, education, advocacy, and direct patient support and plays a vital role in empowering communities statewide. We have the Florida Breast Cancer Foundation present. And whereas the Florida Breast Cancer Foundation provides critical
resources such as free mammogram programs, patient assistance grants, and public education campaigns to improve access to care and reduce disparities in breast cancer outcomes. And whereas the city of Sunny House Beach stands in solidarity with breast cancer survivors and their loved ones, reaffirms our
commitment to raising awareness of this disease and thanks countless professionals, researchers, and caregivers who dedicate their lives to fighting for a world without breast cancer. Wherefore, the city commission of the city of Sunny House Beach, Florida hereby designates October 2025
as breast cancer awareness month in the city of Sunny Al Beach. That will be our proclamation and if you can uh you're welcome to thank you so much for having me here today. I am Carol Margolus and I am the regional director for Florida Breast
Cancer Foundation and uh I really appreciate everything you've said here. It is so important that everyone uh recognize the importance of mammogram and we do know that men also get breast cancer. So, it's very important to know
your body and like you said, uh the key word here is to be your own advocate. Um we also have the license plate that you see on vehicles. We've had that license plate for 23 years. So, if there's ever a time you want to support breast cancer, please look into purchasing that
license plate and then you have that plate. No matter if you change cards and you don't use it, you still have it and you can use it at any time. Uh we've been around 33 years. So, thank you so much for having me here today. And this is a very special day and I'm very happy
to be in the presence. Thank you so much. >> You are welcome. >> Thank you. Come down and take a picture. >> You want me just to stand in? >> We'll come down to you. >> Okay. Yes. >> You guys are getting your exercise. >> Okay. Leave this here. [Music]
Thank you so much. [Applause] Thank you, Commissioner Riscar, for sponsoring that. And I I want to also just uh commend the um city manager and the staff who also participate um every
month in NRPD and wrapping the >> the the car and um yeah, I really appreciate you doing that. Okay, next item. >> We need to get this thing cured already. >> Okay, the next item that we're going to hear is the add-on the proclamation for
Hispanic Heritage Month. Commissioner Styson. Okay. So, we have here the members of the Hispanic Affair Advisory Board from the Miami Day County. Um, so if you you guys can come up. Uh, so we did this
proclamation last month when it start the Hispanic Heritage Month celebration from September 15 to SE October 15. Uh, we are out of the date by now, but they came to to receive it today. So, thank
you so much. Somebody's okay. So, we have here Gelle. She is the chair of the board. If she would like to say a few words, please. >> Thank you for she can go to the podium. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for having us here. I'm the
program director for the Hispanic Affairs Advisory Board and these are my members. Former mayor of the village of Pora. >> You look familiar, >> Claudia Kuas. And we have former mayor and commissioner of of Aventura, commissioner of Aventura and uh Glattis.
And then we have Dr. Francesco Dubly. He's a he's a psychologist. So um we are the Hispanic Affairs Advisory Board of Miami Day County. And we thank you for the proclamation. We look forward to working uh with all of our municipalities. Um our board meets on
the third Tuesday, the third the second Thursday of the month. And um right now as the year ends, uh we're looking to work with foreign nationals to help them establish their degrees, uh people that are doctors, um teachers from other
countries, um that they can come and we can help them through the revalidation process. We're also in March of um of next year, we're going to do a women's uh health forum um because it's women's
month. And u so our next meeting is October 23rd at uh Steven P. Clark building at 6 PM. You're welcome to come in or send your representatives. Uh we look forward to working with Sony speech. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. We'll come down and take a picture with you.
>> Yeah. Anybody has um any comments or so? >> Thank you for what you do. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. The proclamation is coming down right now. >> Angel [Music]
see Angel. >> Angel. Yeah. No, no, she has it right there. Right. [Music] Right there. Right there. [Music] We don't yet.
[Music] [Music] I need to do a clarification. I just want to uh clarify also inform the former Aventura Commissioner Gladis. She's a representative for Sonia appointed by county commissioner Mik
Steinberg. Thank you. >> Okay. >> Okay. Next one is to be a proclamation presented to Zippy Holland. >> Okay. So, I want to thank I want to thank everyone
that that's here um for for the many proclamations we have today. We normally don't have this many people, so it's very very appreciated that you all came. Some of you from very far away. Um I I want to recognize Commissioner Steinberg that's in the that just came in. Hi. Um,
I'm going to read the letter first and then I'm going to give you some some time to, you know, some opportunity to um say a few words. >> Oh, Phyllis is hiding back there. Hello, commissioner from North Miami Beach. How are you? [Music]
This is very emotional. And I just want to say that Tippy is is is a long-term resident of of Sunny Isles Beach. And um you know this was going to be presented to her I think last month or maybe even the month before but scheduling prevented it. And I think that given the
the state of uh what's happening in the world right now and and how much we're in such a more positive place um this really resonates in in a very different way. So I'm going to read this letter and then I'll let the commission say a few words if they'd like. On behalf of
the city commission of the city of San Beach, it is an honor and a privilege to extend to you our deepest admiration and respect for a life lived with courage, unwavering purpose, and extraordinary generosity. Yours is not just a story, but a living testament to the resilience
of the human spirit. Born into the unspeakable darkness of a labor camp in Siberia during the Holocaust, you emerged not only as a survivor, but as a radiant force for good in a world that often forgets the lessons of the past. From that harrowing beginning, you have
carved a path defined by compassion, education, and a deep commitment to others. Your journey from despair to hope is nothing short of miraculous, and it continues to serve as an inspiration for generations young and old. In classrooms, auditoriums, and military
installations across this country, your voice has borne witness not only to the horrors of history, but to the power of healing. Your message, grounded in dignity and love, transcends time and place. Your story is a reminder of the unavoidable responsibility we all share, to remember, to speak out, and to
uplift. Through your lectures and your writing, you have helped thousands understand the importance of empathy and historical awareness. Your memoir, My Treasure Box, goes beyond telling your personal story. It serves as a powerful reminder of the past and a call to build a more compassionate future. Your impact
extends far beyond your words through your ongoing philanthropic efforts such as supporting children with special needs, families in difficult circumstances, young soldiers, cancer patients, hospitals, and various community organizations. You have demonstrated a deep commitment to
service and compassion. Your generosity has made a meaningful difference in the lives of many, offering support and dignity to those who need it most. As a proud resident of Sunny Als Beach for the past two decades, your contributions over the past 20 years have had a lasting and
positive impact on the community. Your support has been guided not only by a desire for recognition, but by a genuine sense of responsibility and care, reflecting a level of commitment that leaves a meaningful legacy. Mrs. Holland, your life is a powerful example of how personal adversity can be
transformed into purpose. Your commitment to sharing your story and serving others reflects the very values that strengthen our society. Resilience, justice, humility, and hope. In recognizing your contributions, we also reaffirm the importance of these ideals
in our communities. It is with great pride and reverence that the city of Sunny Al's Beach recognizes you for your extraordinary contributions. I want to also add that um Dory had approached me um a few months ago and
requested this and you proclamations are are sponsored by the commission but uh anyone could could request it of any of us and I knew you were a resident here and I've seen you at so many events but not until he shared your story with me did I know all all the impactful things
you did and we are so blessed to have you here because uh as as we know survivors of the Holocaust are very few at this point, but you're not being recognized only for that. You're being recognized for the positive light that you've brought to to this community. Um,
and on behalf of this commission, I want to I want to thank you. And if you would like to say a few words, please. First of all, [Applause] I'm usually not a lost for words, but
today I I'm so honored and I I I I can't tell you what it means to me to be still here and to talk about what's happening in the world and in Israel, of course, and how important it is that we speak
out and we we don't stand by. We stand up and we say enough because it doesn't people think it's only in Israel or other countries. It's here and we're not going to have another life. We're not going we're going to have it World War
II. We have to stand up and say enough enough with the evil, enough with the hate. Why? Why can't we just live in peace? So my message, my girls are here, my daughters Sharon, Dadita, all my friends are here. My message is very
simple. Stand up for cruelty, for hate, for everything that's bad in this world because it they say it takes a village. It takes all of us to stand up and say enough. So, I I really I'm too emotional
to speak, but I want to thank you so much because I realized, you know, you don't do things to get something back. I always do it. My kids know it. I do it because it gives my heart a little more
fullness about whatever happened to me. And I have to say one thing about I have to say where I came from. My parents were incredible people. We lost everything. I'm an only child. I have no brothers or sisters, no cousins, no a couple of cousins in Israel.
And my father may rest in peace. That's what I live by. I tell my kids and my grandkids. This is one line that he said to me. He was very smart for for for being in the being born 1920s.
He said to me like that, you have to touch someone when you are alive because if not, it's like you wrote your name in the sand and comes the wind and it blows it away. But if you touch even one person in your lifetime, it's going
to be written in cement and you're always going to be around. So, thank you for this honor. Thank you for understanding what we are all doing here and why we are here and we should continue being here and thank you so so so much. Thank you.
>> Thank you. [Applause]
I just wanted to give a quick opportunity if anyone from the commission wanted to say a few words before we come down. >> Yes, sure. >> Please go ahead. >> Yes. >> So, Zippy, I would just like to take a minute to um to we know each other >> to be so glad Yes. that that you're
recognized by the city and for everything you've done for other Holocaust survivors and to uh bring out the importance of remembrance of the Holocaust because there are so many younger people these days that just
they've been their minds have been taken away by the internet and they just don't understand the brevity of it. But I thank you. I myself lost uh several relatives in Achvitz, so I know the pain.
>> Thank you. Um, anyone else? Okay. Uh, if I can please invite Commissioner Steinberg. She's hiding. Where did she There she is. Um, to come up for the picture as well, unless you wanted to say a few words. No. Okay, let's come to
You have to go through. >> Yeah. [Music] Don't cry. Smile. [Music] the podium. >> Everyone right here. [Music]
>> And then right here. >> Two. Right here. Right here. [Music] Yes, please. Please. [Music] [Applause]
All right. Right here. Right here. Number [Music] eight. We still have the key to the city on the key to the city. That's it. Yeah.
>> I also wanted to add that that uh Representative Fabian Basabi uh wanted to send his regards. He couldn't be here because he's in uh Tallahassee. Okay. >> Okay. So, the final presentation that we have is 2A which is a key to the city
presented to Mayor Elbasinski as former general council of Israel in Miami. [Music] So um it it is my pleasure to to present
this but again I uh I have to say that the scheduling didn't allow us to to present this to you last month and it really is uh so apppropo to do it now uh considering all the work that you have uh put into this community. We actually I found an old picture because
apparently there's a lot of pictures of you um from uh 2021 when we first met. And uh I want to read this and then I'm going to ask you to come up just to say a few words, please. So uh ladies and gentlemen, distinguished guests, um it
is with immense pride and honor that I as the mayor of Sunny Al's Beach sit before you today to present the very first key to the city in our community's history. uh to an extraordinary individual, the former council general of Israel to Miami, Mayor Elves
Zarinski, who took me this long to be able to pronounce your name. Um, this moment carries special significance as it marks the inaugural presentation of this prestigious honor, symbolizing the profound impact of your contributions. Your tenure as council
general has been marked by unwavering dedication, fostering strong ties between our community and Israel. Your leadership has built bridges of understanding, collaboration, and friendship that has enriched Sunny Als Beach. Through your tireless efforts, you have promoted cultural exchange,
economic partnerships, and a shared commitment to peace and prosperity. This key to this city, our first ever, is a symbol of our gratitude and admiration for your remarkable contributions. It represents the deep respect and appreciation we as a city and as a as a city
commission hold for you and the enduring bond between Sunny Al's Beach and the people you have so admirably represented. On behalf of our entire city commission, I am honored to present you with the inaugural key to the city of Sunny Al's Beach. May this key remind you that you are always welcome and you
always have a home here. And may our friendship continue to flourish for years to come. [Applause]
I didn't think I would be so uh emotional, but I am. H Thank you for Thank you for making me dress up for the first time in the past two months. Actually, dress up in and iron my shirt and all that and get out of the kitchen. being that I'm
now a full-time home dad. I'm keep cutting myself. Where's my security when I did them? But uh really this uh this is a tremendous honor for me and and and and from the bottom of my heart. I'm I'm so
grateful uh for for you as elected official, but for this wonderful community over here behind me and and around us all uh for really making this place h a role model and and and a and a
safe place uh for Jews uh to be Jews and to be able to to to express our faith. and to be able to uh practice our rituals and to be able to really
represent my amazing, beautiful, prosperous, proud country and people uh in a place that uh that accept and respect uh all that and I don't think there's any place
in the world where uh Jews and Israelis unfortunately I would say that uh can be as proud and as happy and as safe as here in in in South Florida and and you as elected officials. Uh all the people
behind me as as activists as as community leaders have has have a huge role and and I would just want to really echo echo what what CP my friend and mentor had said. It takes all of us to
be able to uh to change or to make our society and our community a better place. And we all need uh to speak up. And you know, seeing now the hostages uh coming back home, the live hostages
coming back home and knowing that uh nobody is now enduring the suffering in in in Gaza in the hand of these monsters. You all had a role. You had all a role and an impact on making that happen. And of course we will not rest until
everybody are even the the deceased one are brought to uh to proper burial and and and and closure but we all had and still have a role in making this uh world and our community a better place. So thank you very much. Uh I will use it
when I cross from aventur around the lemon causeway or 163rd h and from the bottom of my heart. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. Uh I just want to give the commission anybody wants to say a few words. >> No, Jerry.
>> Um I I would just >> force you. >> No, no, no. Thank you. >> For a sport. >> No. It's my pleasure to um co-sponsor uh the giving of this key and um we in Sunny Isles, we take a lot of pride in
our um respect and our honor for Israel. We all have relatives there, a lot of us or some of us. And um we uh have our uh Israel, we always have Israel's back in Sunny Isles.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Come down. [Applause] So, this is the first time we're doing this and so we're actually Where's the city clerk? >> Oh, there he is. All right. Now, before I gave you a call, just
[Music] wait. Sorry. Thank you. [Music] I want to thank the city. [Applause] [Music] There's a
Can you come back? Congratulations. [Music] [Music] [Music] So, we have other items on the agenda. I would love everyone to stay, but I'm going to give everyone a few minutes if
you wanted to to go, but you can you're welcome to stay to hear our items. Just going to take a couple of minutes. >> Funny. She's funny. >> Hey, good luck on your meeting. Yeah, you should say.
>> Oh, whatever. >> Are they all leaving? >> I shouldn't have said anything. >> We always have David, though. questions. Young man over there. They're
[Music] waiting for what? >> Under construction work. >> Are you sure? It's on schedule. >> They're building. >> Are you waiting for basketball or tennis?
>> No. Good news is it's >> okay specifics. >> I live in Poana. I live in Poana across the street from you. Poiana Island. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> You're going to love it. >> Yeah. It's for residents. Yes. It's on
schedule. You waiting for basketball or >> she just want to finish the construction like us? [Music] [Music] Wow, that was clear. [Music]
[Music] So the [Music] mayor we have a discussion now and it moves to this evening. >> No. >> Well no because we have to we have to
bring back whatever designs he's given us if that's what that's what showing the signs today. That's what the commission decides. They can come back >> to add it on this evening. >> When it comes up, I'm going to let them
know that you're right. >> Yes. >> So then you can kind of give the overview. >> Okay. And then me or Susan to pick up. >> Okay. Perfect. Okay. Thank you. You should have already read it. [Music]
[Music] Okay, we're going to um proceed to the next item. For those in the audience, if you could just please take your conversations outside. Okay, Mauricio. >> Okay, we are now into the discussion items. 3A is a discussion regarding
remote voting at commission meetings. >> Hey, Commissioner Viscara. >> Oh, hello. All right. So, u this is not a new concept. We discussed it back in July. Um, and so I had to wait three months to be able to bring it back at at
the July meeting. Uh, and you know, we had the the benefit of of the attorney's memo. Uh, so that's why I just redistribute it to you guys now if you wanted to refresh your memories. But it's it's so I'm not telling you anything new. Um, but I did want us
having having had to live the consequences of our decisions. Um, I wanted to bring it back to the table to see if we might reconsider uh what um what um the vice mayor's position was back in July, which is uh
to look into the um allowing remote voting, but limiting it because clearly it the way that it is. I think I do agree with with with the analysis that the city attorney
provided us that our code currently is is not clear and that for years I guess we were doing it wrong. Uh and it requires correcting. Um we saw since then somebody being sick and not being able
to be here and then things getting derailed, a family member being sick and things being derailed. Um I was on a conference and um well I had planned it thinking I could I could um attend and
and then in between I got decided that I couldn't. So I mean we can attend but we can't vote right even we can participate but so I I wanted us to reconsider it. um at the budget meeting I you know
traffic and I I was like late but if I could have participated by phone we could have avoided all that stuff. I don't think we if we go this way that that we just leave it as is because it
does leave the opportunity to never show up and just be on the phone all the time. Right. So that's not an an acceptable outcome. So, I think um based on on this memo um it's pretty clear you need at least three elected officials
physically present in order to have a quorum. Uh and the presiding officer um needs to be physically present. So, if uh the mayor can't be here, maybe you know if you're on the phone, you can still vote, but the vice mayor would
have to run the meeting, right? Uh, and yes, we should have limits as to how many times because how am I supposed to know that there's the turnpike is going to turn into one lane, right? Like so, and I could have still done something. So, um, those are those would be my
recommendations to reconsider it. We can amend our our um make the amendments to our our code to make this possible. I think we need to get with the times. I I hope that we have learned our lesson. Um
and and it's very possible other cities do it and like I said in the July meeting the courts I mean we the courts get business done and nobody is sharing the same space. I'm in my office the clients are in their homes the judges in chambers and it still happens and and
there's nothing if we can if we can run the judicial system that way why can't we occasionally vote that way also? um it may require some um some technology maybe not just by phone
we can have the zoom again like using the courts as my example uh and if let's if we need to recuse ourselves you know zoom allows you to put you people in like a a room I don't know if you guys have experienced that like um you can be put in a separate room so you can be
there by yourself it's a virtual room and then when the item is over then the clerk you the city clerk could let that person back in. So, we have the technology. It's very possible. We just have to have the will for it. Um, in the
past we had I remember maybe Bud was still mayor like there was maybe once or twice there was an item that um that was sensitive and we said you know what somebody was absent. We're like we should probably this should this should be the whole commission like we should have the whole commission weigh in on
this and we deferred it. Um but that's that's doesn't always happen now because we're so splintered when somebody is absent or you know we're not able to vote then there's a uh it becomes very imbalanced. So I think we need to keep
um make the decisions to make us as balanced as possible as often as possible and that would be my I mean it's not a new item guys so that's those are my thoughts. >> Okay. Um, who would like to chime in? Go ahead. Commission.
>> I will chime in. >> So, we're considering this not only for this sitting commission here, but for future commissions. So, we don't know in the future who would be sitting here, um,
what their ideas might be as far as taking advantage of certain conditions. And I just like, you know, for that to be considered as well, that it's not only uh the responsible people that are
sitting at this commission, but we have to consider for the city's uh purposes uh future commissions. >> May I respond? >> Yeah. >> So, I mean, everything we do up here is for future commissions, right? Absolutely. Every decision we make is
going to have a a subsequent u impact um afterwards. So um so I've thought about that because you said that at the last meeting that this this would impact others and that's why I think it's important to put the limit on it even if
we if we if we say okay I think it should be two but even if we allow one if just allowing because we've seen it we've already experienced it. I think every single month uh we've experienced something where something came up and I
was personally in the position I was prepared. I could have done it um but I wasn't allowed to and um but I do see how the the we have the the
way that it is it opens it up for abuse. We don't want commissioners to just show up here and I mean get elected and then like be on vacation all the time and oh sorry I couldn't make it and then you know we don't want that but we can control that and we have no idea who's
that's what the things that we do have to be uh crafted that in a way that's generally applicable and that makes sense and like we don't know who's going to be our client in court. The judges don't know who's going to show up. It we you can't think about the individuals.
You have to you just have to have a system that works and you have to know how to address the things that are coming. And so that's why I was thinking about when you have to recuse yourself because that's an item something that was brought up here where you have to physically remove yourself. We can do
that if we have Zoom. And if we don't do it, if we let's say just keep it telephonic, which I think is a little basic, but let's say we decide that, well, then we have to create a policy around that where I guess Mauricio would hang up on the person and then they would call back in. I mean, we we can
figure it out. This is very figure outable. Um, and um, so anyway, that's it. That's my answer to you, >> Vice Mayor. Yeah, I I think the way you do it is that you limit it to two per year,
right? Uh where each commissioner and the and the mayor will get two times per year to vote remotely for whatever reason. And then you limit that that way because if you do have someone whose intent it is to abuse the system,
they're limited to two occasions. That's it. So I think that from a technological standpoint we can make it work and I think it makes perfect sense. I mean, we've had uh some instances where where I have been sick or somebody else has
been sick and I know that they are fully aware. They are fully informed of the issue and for them to be prevented from from voting, I don't think it's right or I don't think it's fair. And obviously, I understand your point
of people that, you know, would want to be absent all the time, right? But that's why you have limits to it. >> And I would add this like if you want to it's an item that's important that for you to be here and maybe you
are sick or somebody in your family is sick then what are we saying? Come over and get us all sick. That's that's not responsible either. Right. >> Commissioner Studen, did you want to
no comments? You don't care either way. >> Yeah, I I say before I don't agree with voting remote. That's it. >> Um, so I I I want to just bring up some some questions or or rather comments because like you said, we talked about
this a few months ago and I think we actually talked about it even before then in in various conversations. Somehow this is not this is not the second time I feel like we're talking about this. So, you know, I was one of those people when my mother was in the emergency room. And so I I'm trying to imagine how I would
have possibly participated. I couldn't have because even when I was on the phone, I had to keep, you know, going in and out because you have the bells and the whistles where I was and even I wouldn't be be able to actually participate. You know, I my vote would
be there, but am I really part of the conversation? Do you can't really hear everyone? And I think that, you know, and I'm split on this, by the way. I haven't really made up my mind because you know the people that come and there are certain people that are in the audience that come every single month
and have never missed a meeting. um looking at you David and uh and so I understand that that there are circumstances but because of those circumstances we can miss um what is it six remind me please Mauricio
>> um for the commission um if I remember correctly it's up to three per year and for the mayor it's less I'd have to look >> I thought it was like three in in a row but in any case if you can look that up >> it's in the memo um
>> it's in the memo. the you know the other part is is if we look at you know basing it on on two so at that we could potentially have every single month not a full commission sitting up here and uh and while there
aren't always people that are in the audience people are watching on TV and you know we were elected to be here um and I get your analogy to to the courts uh I think that's a little bit different um
and you the judge is in chambers. Uh the judge is in someplace else. So I think that it's important for for us to be here as as well. I don't think that it's a very huge commitment. Um but but on the other hand, when there
are very important votes and certain votes that cannot wait because we have a responsibility, a legal responsibility to vote on that day, it is a challenge. Um so Maria, did you pull that up? pull it up one second over here.
>> So, you know what, and I want it to be more of a conversation. So, what what would you say, you know, if let's say you're in when you were in traffic, um I wouldn't want to be trying to drive and trying to pay attention at the same time and you know, are we actually working
for God forbid something happens and you get into a car accident? Mr. City Attorney, what is that considered when you are participating in a commission meeting? Are you at work for the purposes of insurance or or the the liability? Do you understand what I'm asking?
>> Uh from a worker's comp point of view, right? >> Potentially. I mean, it it opens up a door to a few things and that's one of the other things we'd have to consider because what's considered an absence and what is not considered an absence because under Florida law, if you're deemed present, you have to vote,
>> right? So, if a remote participation is going to be deemed an absence, then you can't vote. If it's not, if you're going to be deemed as present, then it can't count against you for your charter responsibilities of you having to be here a certain
amount of times throughout the year. So, there's some conflict there with in that regard because um again, if you're not present for one purpose, you can't vote for the other and be present for that. So you have to make those consistent. Um and that's
part of the issue. Then there's the quasi judicial issue which I would definitely recommend against any remote participation in that regard. Um for quasi judicial because you're going to get into due process issues. Um the other thing too is if you do go in
that manner, the technology has to be there. There has to be full interaction, full visibility. So I would not recommend you do a meeting through a car because especially let's say quasi judicial evidence is being shown on the screen. You have to be looking at the screen things of that. So things can come up
that there's limitations. Unfortunately unlike the court you're subject to 286 chapter 286 which you have to be um a bit more open to the public than the judiciary has to. So I'm not saying >> but you're talking about posy judicial right. I I don't I don't think that we
should vote remotely on posy judicial stuff. again. >> But but wait, wait, wait. Commissioner of his car, let let the attorney finish. >> That's where we're going to need to figure out because either either you're here or you're not here. So if if you're on the phone, and it couldn't be just phone. It would have to be more than
phone, but if you're participating in voting, you're present. So you're going to have to be present for charter purposes in that regard with regards to your aotment of absences throughout the year. If you don't, so let's say you set a
limitation. The problem is that then if you're paying by phone as you were before, now you're going to say, "Well, now I'm not present for that purpose." So I'm present for one purpose on the phone, but I'm not present for the other. >> I don't understand what you're saying. >> For different items on the agenda, you mean?
>> The problem is that under Florida law, if you're present, if you're here at the meeting, you have to vote. >> Okay. So you can't if you set a limitation for just two, but the third and fourth time I'm going to be absent. I'm not going to vote, but I'm going to
be here on the phone, then you're required to vote. So if if I exempt you, if you're allowed to vote twice remotely and every time you appear remotely, then you'd be you'd have to vote because under the Florida law, if you're deemed present for purposes of the charter,
you're going to be required to vote. So there may be ways around it. I haven't done all the permutations, but you're going we're going to have to reconcile the absences cuz right now, correct me if I'm wrong, city clerk, but if someone appears remotely, they're deemed absent.
Correct. >> Uh, yes. Because they're not physically present. >> Correct. So, for your aotment of absences under your charter, even if you appear remotely, you listen and you speak and whatever else, you're deemed absent. >> Right. And and so that's that's also my
point. if you know to what you were saying, you have to be available. You know, if you're in an emergency room, you're not going to be on camera. If you're driving, you can't be on camera. Um, and so you're really just
kind of there in order to vote, meaning that you've already decided your vote, and that's not the way that it should be. We should be present and and and hear public comment. We should hear what our colleagues are saying. um because there's no way that you can actually participate in any meaningful way over the phone. I mean all of us I think uh
with maybe maybe not all of us but you you can't hear over the phone. It goes in and out. That's a little separate that that's that's an issue. The what I'm trying to focus on though is if you are
deemed here, so right now the way we have it, if you're on the phone and participating, you're absent. But if we change that to you're allowed to vote, you can't be absent for one purpose and be present for you. What you're saying is that you can be you
will only be able to participate remotely two times whether you call that uh >> no absent or not. >> What I'm saying is right now if you're not physically here, you're absent, >> right? I >> So if you're not physically here, you're deemed absent. So an absent person can't
vote, >> right? >> It's inconsistent, >> right? You can't vote if you're not here. >> So I I'm following you up to that point. >> You're deemed absent. So on the record, when you're on your resolution that says I voted, you can't be absent and vote
and that's inconsistent. You can't you can't not be here. >> I think what he's saying is that any remote presence would then be considered present. That's what he's saying. So that you couldn't >> you couldn't just limit it to two so
that anytime you are on the phone remotely, we would the the definition of present would change to any remote presence. So if you're if you're present, the amendments that we're allowed to make. I mean, we can define these terms, right? >> The problem is is under Florida law, on the Florida statute, I don't have the
statute in front of me, but if you are deemed present, you're required to vote. >> Understood. >> So, let's say that we allow now that when you're here remotely, you are present for purposes of the charter. Anytime that you're going to appear
remotely, you're going to be deemed present for purposes of the charter, which means under Florida law, you have to vote. >> So, >> so you couldn't limit it. >> Are you saying that therefore we cannot say we can only do two?
>> That's that's >> that's what you're saying. Okay. So >> or if you do that again it would you just couldn't then a person unless if you've done your and again we'd have to >> do your two and then when you have your third you don't get to vote I mean >> it's not no you can't even be present
you can't even you can't even pick up the phone we don't hook you up on the intention Alan and it's not to encourage absence it's to it's to >> accommodate things that happen and and and by the
way yeah the driving. Um, I mean, I was driving because I was trying to get here, but it happens in court, too. Like, people are like they they they shop in court. Have you seen that video where the guy is showing up to court for a suspended license and he's driving? >> Yes. >> And and he lost.
>> Yeah. >> Um, so obviously at that point, you have to use your judgment. You pull over, you're not driving, you're not doing that. If you're in an emergency room, that's one where you're just absent, >> right? you're I mean so but I'm trying to
create some some flexibility to be used responsibly um because we may need it. You know, you may not be in an emergency room. You might be uh you're right in traffic where you can pull over and and you know if you're on your way, you're prepared.
You already know what you're doing. It's not like you have your your your mind made up. You listen and and you've prepared. The phone is hard. I mean, I'm when I'm this conversation is not about can we please vote by phone because it's hard. I mean, I've I've been on it a few
times and you can't always hear all the comments and it's difficult. I mean, if we're going to do this, I would say at least the direction to explore what it would look like because of course it's possible. Other other cities do it. I know their charter may be different. You
told us in your memo that that we it would require amending and reconciling the documents. So what what would that look like? >> I mean that's my question. >> And again, don't mistake my my cautionary notes to be no or anything
like that. As I stated in my memo, there's no express consideration of remote voting within your charter or your code. Um so it's not expressly dealt with. I'm not saying it's impossible, but things we'd have to figure things out to facilitate it and
make sure we can reconcile with the charter. Obviously, we can't change the charter just the way we change the ordinances, but we'd have to figure out a way to make it work uh based on your direction as to what you want. So, we're in compliance with Florida state law and
then also staving off any challenges we may get either from the community from a participation standpoint. That's the other issue with just the phone. It's not just an inability to hear in difficulty, but folks that come to the meeting have a right to face you all.
They need to see your face, your facial expressions. You know, if you're rolling your eyes, they they deserve to see that. You know, those types of things. It's that interaction that that chapter 286 tries to engage in. So, and traditionally that's the case. And I know that, you know, futures come up and
with the technology it's possible. And yes, some cities do do it. I haven't looked at each particular one in their particular charters, how they reconcile it. Everybody's charter is different, but again, not impossible. It's just we'd have to work through all those details.
>> So, that's that's a purpose of my item is if we could seriously consider it, we can still shoot it down later, but I'd like to know what that looks like. Um because I I I think we're behind the times and I think um it it would help
more than Um, not >> Yeah. My my my biggest reservation is is to the city attorney's point is the the public having access to looking at us and and engaging in that way. Um, because it it makes a difference when
people especially when people come to speak as we all know it takes a lot to get in front of that podium and uh they deserve to to be looking at us face to face. >> They could put us for example like where where we are on the screens up there like depending on how we set it up. Oh, I
>> they could see us remotely. We could show up on the screen and everybody could probably better than us sitting up here. >> Yeah. No, I I I get it. I I get what you mean. But it's just very different. It's very different sitting here. Um you know, everyone being cold at the same
time. You know, this you're experiencing th this together. It makes a difference. I I I think. So, I'm I'm just I'm not there >> to to to be ready to to consider it. But, Vice Mayor, do you wanted to say something? >> Yeah. So I I think some of the apprehensions that we have about not
seeing us I mean through technology I think we could solve that. Um and then again that's why we limit it to two times per per year. Um and that way you know if it we're really sick and we
really would like to vote and we're up to you know um up to par with the information and everything related to any of the items and the agenda. I think it's only fair that we could vote. Now, I would like to explore, you know, how
other cities do it, other municipalities do it, and uh see how that reconciles with with Florida statute. >> Did you want to say something, Commissioner Joseph? >> No, I'm ready to vote. >> We're not voting. >> We're not voting, but we either we give
direction or we don't like to explore it. >> Yeah. I I'm I'm not supportive of of exploring it further at this time. Um I'm I'm pretty for for the major reason of of people not being able to look at
us and be in the same room, but also because I think every single instance where uh someone has not been able to be here, they probably wouldn't it wouldn't help um they would not be allowed to be there to be here in any other way. So,
if you're sick, for instance, being on Zoom when you're so sick that you can't be here, I don't think that you're actually participating when you're that ill. Um, and and I know you said about the pulling over. Um, but again, it's >> it's not ideal, >> but it's also it's the job, right? Like
we signed up for the job, we got elected to do the job. >> Exactly. >> Life happens. >> Look, we we're here. We don't have an absentee issue here, right? And I think in the history of the city, we haven't had an absentee issue with the exception of of uh Commissioner Alon who had a
really bad accident and >> um you know that's a whole other chapter. Um but I I don't know. I just think it's it's um I mean whatever. I already I already told you what I think. >> I just want to clarify I want to get
clarification so we can you are against it? >> Yes, I'm against it. >> Okay. So uh >> the thing is that as it is the changes that happened during this this administration has takes so much transparency of this process. I mean now the people come and we cannot even talk
to them. People ask questions and they they are here during the whole meeting and they ask questions of us when we are here present and we cannot even answer them back. Um now the directors of the other uh departments are not coming to
the meetings as well. So the interaction between the residents, the commission and the staff is always less. So we are less transparent. We are not giving access to our residents to us
if we are not even here during the commission meeting. So is the less the least that we can do. So clearly um I agree life happened. I have children also. So and we get sick, kids get sick,
etc. So it's not ideal but it's what we have and and if we committed uh to represent the people we should be hearing. If we are not okay, bad luck. then we don't get to to um to vote on the issues even though they might be
important for us. So for example, I know now that I won't be for the next meeting that in November because I'm going to be at the National Legal Cities in Utah. So I know I won't be here in November. I don't know what's going to be the agenda for November. may maybe something that's really important for me is going to be
in the agenda and I will send the the comment through the city manager or the city cler to request to defer that item because it's so dear for me something important for me again I'm talking hypothetically because I don't know what's going to be in the agenda in November of course so um and you might
you guys might decide well you know what we honor that request of the commissioner because she will be want to talk about that item u and that depends on how we function as a body. Um, so if it's something that is important for you and sadly you're sick or something
happened in life and you do that request, we we should consider honoring that that you really want to be able to speak into that item and we should defer the item, you know. Um, so there are ways that if it's something important for you, you can still be part of it and
of course it depends on the dynamic in the commission clearly. Uh but my point is that like I said as it is uh we are limiting the access of the staff and city officials to the people to the
public less transparency by the second. So this cannot support. >> All right. Well I just I I want to add before and I'll let you close on yours. I I I don't agree that this is about transparency. I think that we are very transparent and we have um people have access to us as whenever they they want
it. I think this is >> not openly not here in this forum you know privately closed doors. >> Every single resident can come and speak at at any moment. >> Can we send them back? >> Can you what? >> Can we answer them when they ask questions? >> No, we follow Robert's rules.
>> No, your rules. Your rules. You change the rules. >> Commissioner Commission rules. Robert's rules as per our our charter. >> Actually, we changed to Robert RS. We were not even Robert RS before. >> Yes, we were Mason's rules, which is more strict. Um, so, Commissioner
Miscara, I I want you to sort of I know we're not voting, but if you want to just say a few more words because I want to make sure that it's very clear why you're asking for this, that it's not about >> No, I think we all know why I'm asking. Um, but okay. uh the um I think the
participation actually the remote participation actually addresses that concern of of having be doing the job and allowing more avenues for that rather than you know too bad right I
don't think that's the the most proactive approach >> but okay >> but I don't know what you're asking uh >> the remote voting with real technology not the phone I'm not asking for the phone. >> Okay. Okay. No, because I really that you said we all know, but I don't know.
>> No, what? No, I'm I'm I'm just echoing the same thing I said back in July and what the vice mayor has said. Um, I don't I really don't see the harm in in creating a little bit of flexibility when life happens as opposed to
telling us, you know, like who were elected to represent and and telling the people, "Sorry, I couldn't I couldn't do it because life, right?" I mean, >> um, Mr. City Attorney, I have a
question. H how um how difficult would it be for you to to put together uh a memo to just give us a sense of what surrounding municipalities are doing that are very that are like us um and and an actual recommendation from you.
>> I mean I know of some that have raised the issue and have rejected it. Um it would takes I would need staff time from the city manager because I can't do that all myself. you have a lot of jurisdictions. >> Well, I don't mean like an actual, you
know, full-blown report on every single city, but just >> not every single city, but general cuz it's hit or miss. I mean, I I know I don't know, Commissioner Viscera, which ones you're referring to that do allow it. Um, and I don't know cuz it's not just a matter of allowing it, but it's a
matter of looking as to what constraints they may have. So my reference was because I I when I was at the I was at the National League back in July. Uh and so I was speaking to people from everywhere. So I understand Florida may you know obviously may have different a
different um situation but so I I can't I don't remember. Commissioner Viscar, would you be open to to sitting with the manager and and the attorney and and sort of putting together a more comprehensive list list of what others are doing so that we can get a better understanding of what exactly you you
mean because I really thought that when I saw this item that it was more about the phone. So, I'm I'm open to to hearing more about this. Let's just say that >> the Thank you. the the phone. I mean, if that's where we're at, okay, but I mean, we could do so much better. >> Yeah. No, no, that's why I'm against the phone. Absolutely. And also um you can
ask an opinion from ethics, you know, ethics here in Miami Day County or even in Florida because I just took my ethics um training two days ago. Um and we have representative from different, you know, agencies and somebody from another
municipality actually asked about voting when they are not present and it was like a very short conversation. They basically said um if you're not present, you're not there. If you're not there, you cannot vote, you know. I mean, and nobody even question it. Like, I wish you would be there because then you will
have that kind of conversation with them. And also, when you do your ethics unless you did it already uh for the for the year, uh you can raise those questions, but we can always had that source of asking for an opinion from the Miami Miami day county ethics commission, not the one in Tallahassee.
Uh maybe they can give us more information. But the people that were there when we were doing the training, it was super simple. Like I said, it was not controversial. You need to be there in order to vote. So, >> ironically, I'll be doing my ethics remotely. >> FYI. >> Okay. So, um
>> Alan, do you do you have enough information? Let's do >> um I'll meet with the city manager and we'll try to see if we can >> give you some more. >> Okay, I'll take it. Next item.
Excuse me. Next item is 3B, discussion regarding our donation for lifeguard towers. >> Mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission. This item was initiated by Commissioner Joseph, so I'd like to ask him to >> Okay, Commissioner.
>> Thank you. Yes. So, the city we Well, we have uh five new lifeguard stations and they're in white uh very nondescript. And uh the city put out um a few designs
which asking residents for their opinion, but I took it upon myself, not liking those designs myself and thinking that they weren't representative of the city to contact my friend Lucas Vidal
and Romero Bridto and they were good enough to uh take interest and also um take interest to the point where they're willing to donate the wrapping of the um of the lifeguard stations with
uh commission approval. And they've sent to us uh several designs uh which they've uh which we can have on the screen uh which are quite different than what the city had put out previously for
residents to approve. And um Lucas, both Lucas and Romero are residents of Sunny Isles and they take pride, great pride in our city. And um this would be a great plus I believe for the city to have a Romero Bridto
um lifeguard station wrappings. >> Okay. Anyone have any questions of Commissioner Joseph or comments? Uh I had some um I mean before I had seen the the designs. Uh if we go in
this direction um I was going to just say that it should be beach theme or sunny Isles theme. Um so I'm seeing some of that here. I I don't know about the crocodile, but um but yeah, I mean it's a conversation we can have. Um the but
we have and and also so that's and my other comment is that this could probably contribute to like our arts and public spaces um that that we have. But then we also had the um the um the other ones were according to like
our color palette. So, I don't I don't know if this would does this fit with the code. Is this something that code permits? Because aren't we supposed to use our color palette? We'd have to look at it, but I mean, you
have to look at it. I guess this is more of a donation of art. I don't know that your color palette deals with exterior walls for residences and for structures. So, I don't know that it would necessarily apply. We'd have to check with Amy. I don't think it does um
necessarily do that. We'd have to look at if it constitutes a mural. I mean, we'd have to look at the code to make sure obviously that it complies with it. Uh that would be one of the things we'd have to do. And obviously the specifics behind it with I don't know if they're donating the design as well as the
wrapping or is it the wrapping itself? Who's going to pay for the wrapping? Is the city? >> That was my other question was also the maintenance, right? That's something >> those are just details we have to work out. That's all. >> Okay. >> Well, that's no different uh than when the city uh with the designs that the city presented. It would have been the
same maintenance, the same. >> No, I know. But it's different if we own it or we don't own it or I mean >> Well, it's donated, so I believe we would own it. >> I I would make that assumption, but I've learned not to make assumptions. >> Well, and I believe it would be uh quite a a draw advertising draw to the city.
>> Oh, I like the turtle. to have Romero Bridto's uh design on our lifeguard stations. That would be something that the city could advertise as well. >> So, it's for five for five of them because we have 10. >> We have five new ones, but we have 10
total. >> So, this would be only for the new ones. >> I'm sure we can have that discussion. >> Okay. I mean, I'm I'm >> Susan. Um, in my conversation with them, they
provided all of these several options thinking that we would select, you know, one or three, one, two, three, and then there would be slight variations or all the same. It would be up to us whether we wanted them all the same uniform throughout or if we wanted up to three
different versions. And for clarification, he's they're donating the artwork. The actual cost to wrap would be our expense which we had already budgeted for anyways based on us having the other graphic. Right.
>> Yes. >> But there wouldn't be a problem if it was damaged then we can replace it like it would be we would be able to do that. We don't have to go through them or anything like >> we should not it would be ours to manage. >> I'm sure we'd have to work out some type of you know we'd have to do our donation
agreement because there's some licensing issues. So to your point if something gets damaged >> and we fix it you know is it exactly the same is it not we'd have to have some lensure to be able to maybe tweak the design for whatever reason if we have to fix it you know that little details like
that >> so my my question is um why and and I understand Breurto is a resident and and he's a well-known um very well-known brand but um what if we have other artists that also want to participate
that for city residents that do these this sort of work. Have we considered that or have you considered that? >> This was um we had the design that the city put forward and I took it one step
further um in order to move the project forward. So, I don't know if the city was looking to put it out for um open uh donations. I don't know. That wasn't
spoken about. Um we uh Susan, myself, and my wife Jody, we went down to the Berto Palace. We were invited. Uh we um had the discussion and uh we're at
this point now. >> Okay. >> So I would like to move it forward to the evening session in order to be able to vote on it. >> Commissioner Stewen. >> Yeah. How were the three previous um art selected?
>> Um Vanessa, can you show those? So, our um staff graphic designer um came up with several options using our color, you know, our branding colors. Um and then they were also
wonderful. We couldn't really choose. So, we thought it would be great to engage the public and have a contest and let them all vote. >> And these are the three that were put to a vote. And we had I think over 390
responses for um >> how like but that was through like social media or something. >> Yes. Through our Facebook page. >> Okay. Which I believe is not inclusive because the people that is not in Facebook will not even know ever that we
were doing this. So we are trying to get the kids and the people out of the social media. If we the only way for them to participate is through social media, then I think it defeated the purpose of being inclusive. >> It may have it may have been emailed as well. >> I think it was.
>> You know, I think you >> It took you to another page. It was >> It was in the email last to a page that does surveys and all that. >> That is correct. Yes. >> You're not on your Your microphone's not on. >> Yeah, it took you to another page where
you could vote. I let me see if there was an email that um that went out. >> Yeah, but it was created the designs internally, not with other like artists or whatever. That that was my question. Yeah. Okay. It was >> Yes, it was internal design
>> just as we do for our publications, our signs, our um you know, our our swag. >> Yeah. >> Um it's designed in house. >> Yeah. For me, it's it's so personal, especially for people that go to the
beach. I don't go to the beach, but you know, for people that do and people that feel very strongly about the design or or the the blankness rather of of the the new towers. Um, I would like to have the public get more involved in this process. Um, Vice
Mayor, did you have anything that you wanted to add? >> No, I'm I'm still thinking about it. Um, I mean, I kind of like the designs that that our staff made. >> Yeah, I like them. >> They're they're to be honest with you, I sometimes I like simplicity, you know, a
very clean design. Uh, I like burrito, but yeah, I I kind of like them, too. So, I'm still kind of like divided. >> This one was my favorite. >> Yeah, >> that is the one that came in first. >> This is the winner. This one was my favorite because it's simple and bold
and it, you know, um Okay. I mean, I I'm I'm open to the conversation. I mean, do you wanna may I know it's not perfect, but maybe we can um I don't know, like do a survey with the other ones in the mix. I don't know.
>> I I like the designs of burrito, by the way. Yeah. I think >> I think like for the people that reach out to me about this um actually the number one thing they said to me is that they like the previous towers and the color palette of the previous towers the
wood etc because they were emblematic of Sony arson whatever uh so if that's not the option which is not uh then the second one will be br um designs and commissioner we heard the same thing
emblematic of sun >> and although we can't I mean the wood >> is not practical is not efficient um >> so if we were transitioning away from that we we were looking for something that would replace emblematic so we were
looking for something emblematic >> right and that's that's why I think that it the public needs to be more involved if we do anything that more than we did here because we asked for their opinion and then when we turn around and say, "Well, well, actually, no, we don't we didn't really mean it. We didn't want
your opinion." Uh, we we decided we're we we know better. Um, and that's my concern is that I would like to get the public more involved and and for them to decide. Um, but I also think we should open it to other artists. Uh, if we're going to do that,
>> we could all go like and everybody just throw paint like Jackson Pollock and we just like >> No, I I like your idea of having more cleaner lines >> res involved. Yeah. >> No, no. I like I like I I love burrito. The advantage is that it's it's burrito. You have the name recognition. It's
emblematic. Uh we're looking for a piece of art that will kind of anchor us and uh I think that could give us that recognition. But I'm divided. Like I'm I kind of like the simplicity of the other designs that
our staff came up with. So I I think that it merits further conversation. >> So with the >> would them would >> Would you be willing to to the residents involved? I mean, >> yeah. Take this conversation and come back with some some recommendation for
us. >> We will find a way to get some feedback for you. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> See like this one I would say no. It doesn't say. >> Yeah, that one. >> Sunny is >> I think that one says Bickl. >> That doesn't say Yeah, >> that doesn't say Sunny Isles. >> No. And also, no.
>> It would be very helpful if maybe we could just go through the burrito ones very quickly. And >> Yeah. Yeah. Let's see. >> A little concern while I have you all. >> Can you start at the >> Wait, we go back. Hold on. Hold on. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> This one is beach. >> That's a yes for me.
>> And we have turtle nest, so it's nice. >> No. No. >> No. >> Okay. Wait. So, go back to the less colorful. I'm sorry, Vanessa. Can you go back a couple? So, what was this one? Yes or no?
>> It's It's I like the colors, but is it is it water? What is it? Is it Is it beach? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a no. >> I would say no to that one. >> No. No. >> No. >> Yes. >> This one? Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> This one. Yes.
>> I like it, but it's not beach. Electric sun. >> I really like it. Oh, sunshine. >> That one's a maybe for me. >> Yeah. Yeah. This one. Yes. >> Too busy. >> I like it. >> It's beachy. >> Yeah. You're not going to get a consensus. >> I see that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. No, I think you are. >> No. No. No. But we all like the two. We could just repeat those two. >> But there were some other ones that you showed. Go. Are those all of them? >> I thought I saw different ones earlier. >> That one? Yes. That one? Yes.
>> I also don't want us to look like Miami Beach. >> That's the challenge, >> right? So then it kind of looks like we're trying >> problematic to Sunny. >> Yeah, that looks more like Miami Beach. >> Do they have it in Miami Beach? >> They have their their lifeguard stands
are very colorful. Um I actually had some teens that said that to me. Why aren't our lifeguard stands looked like Miami Beach? And I said because we're Sunny House Beach. Uh yes, that was my daughter. >> I never been in the beach in Miami Beach. I don't know.
>> So yeah, if you could come back to us because maybe that there's a halfway point. Maybe it's using our color palette. Maybe it's including the public. Maybe it's opening it up to to to other artists. Um >> I think our color palette is kind of bland for this purpose.
>> Well, depends. So, okay. >> Actually, that one that that looked like water, but it, you know, wasn't those colors were actually appropriate. It just wasn't um it just wasn't beachy. It just But the colors were right. So, there may be
there may be maybe prints >> that one, you know, there may be prints that that um there may be something. And I'm sure once um Romero sees what we had an interest in, he might be willing to
do up a couple of others. >> And also if they're too busy, we may >> Yeah. We don't want to make him waste his time either. So we careful. >> No, but I'm thinking maybe we we just >> This is the first time he's having our input. >> You know, >> this is the first time he's having our
input, our overall input. >> It's I think it's an interesting idea. And >> here he knows where to go. Yeah, but there was one that was really busy and I was thinking like if maybe if we just did the top part or the bottom. So, there's ways we can mitigate that. But I it's a conversation worth having. I
don't I I wouldn't move this to to the evening meeting yet. But, um I think it's good for you for for getting the >> Yeah. >> getting getting it up here. >> We will provide these in print to all of you and you're welcome to provide your feedback.
>> Okay. Thank you. All right. Next item. Next item is 3C, social media policy for city accounts. >> Okay. So I'm going to read a few comments. So the current interpretation and management of the city's official social media channels have created a pattern of communication that risk misrepresenting
the collective voice of the city commission. It undermines the principle of violent representation and potentially expose the city to compliance risk. compliance risk. Specifically, the designation of the measure as the sole spokesperson for
official city social media post is procedurally flawed and contrary to best practices for a commission govern municipality. So, we have a few examples of issues. So in July 5 um there was a post which is
at the end of the memo titled message from the mayor Larissa's vessin um offering condolence for the tragedy in Texas. However in August 118 and 28th um it was a request to publish post
honoring the senator's passing and also the children in Minneapolis. Um those were came from a commissioner myself. Uh and even though the staff made a post, they denied to use my name in the in the
post because they say that the the spokesperson of the city um for the social media accounts is a mayor which however that does not apply for the city of Sonia's page PD accounts. So this pattern demonstrates a clear practice of
prioritizing the mayor's visibility while denying equal attribution to other commissioners which is especially problematic now the mayor is in campaign. So best practices um are now being are being ignored uh because there
is not a procedure of what gets posted and who is attributed or how is do of even if it's documented how that process is being um done about what is it that gets posted uh and who makes that
decision. So the city commission not the mayor alone is a governing body of the city of Sony speech. So official city communications especially those speaking on behalf of the city commission must reflect the collective consent or
established policy of the whole body. We have had issues in the past where uh certain post has been needed to be deleted after we give input to the city manager. So to correct this issue uh we
should promote balanced representation and minimize legal risk. The commission must adopt an specific language clarifying the commission's role in social media communication and establish an equitable attribution process. So a
few of the recommendations is that uh we have an institutional voice you know so all official cityb social media accounts shall represent the institutional voice of the city and the city commission as a whole not specific unless which is going
to be coming later um we should have a specific role clarification. So the mayor by virtue of the office is a primary ceremonial representative of the city but it doesn't explicitly says that is the soul of exclusive social media
spokesperson for the city which is an administrative duty and we have a nonadministrative duty for city officials. Also, when an official communication, a statement or condolence or congratulatory message is published
on city channels on behalf of the commission, it shall by default be attributed to the city of Sonial Beach Commission, which is the governing body. What about individual attribution? If we are going to do that and accept certain
people to do post and have the notoriity that the message come from this commissioner or the mayor, any commissioner including the mayor requesting the use of their individual name entitled for a ceremonial or nonpolicy post must submit the text for
review to the city manager. There is a typo that is to the communication director. If approved, the post shall attribute the statement accurately and must be provided the same opportunity for attribution as the mayor or anybody else ensuring equal access to the city
platform for all elected members in good standing. So these are a few of the um best practices etc. So in order for nobody to monopolize the official communication platform. So the request or will be for the consensus for the
city managers to come back to us with some kind of social media policy for the social medias accounts of the city not of us individually or the staff because I know already the staff have their own
policies in practice. So now you can get make your comments. [Music] Does anyone have any questions? >> Um, I know I I actually first of all, thank you for bringing this as a discussion item and not putting it as a
resolution because this way we can, you know, slow it down and and and read it and um Okay. I I agree with some of what you've said. Uh I and and disagree with some some other things. Uh the um I I'll
I'll I'll give you this. There have been posts that that that it says on behalf of the commission that don't reflect my feelings about it and yet I'm I'm thrown in there because it's on behalf of the
commission. Um, so I think I think uh when we are posting something it just needs to say like from the city, you know, the city of Sun Beach and and then that way I you're not speaking for
me when you don't know how I feel about something. Um, so anyway, that's that's my that would be my my summary of the comments. Um yeah, which it makes sense to to the point that when something like for
example in the past it happened that we used to see the um flyers of the events when they get published that changed well I was one that I was very outspoken about it uh because I didn't I don't
like the surprise of getting informed of what's going on in the city because it publish or because somebody or some resident send it to me. So out of respect we should get informed in advance and now it's happening. So now the flyers we receive them before they
get published which is a very good practice you know. Um so with the social media post I believe the same sentiment if it's going to come on behalf of us or at least if if I'm going to get mentioned as in the name of the
commissioners and one of them I would like to be informed at least in advance to give me the opportunity to say I don't want to be part of it unless we already voted for it of course you know so I don't want to micromanage the social media that is not the intent of
is and there are many municipalities which I didn't want to share because um some of them are having issues with their own um that they're creating there are a few municipalities already in Florida that created a social media policy because of these issues and also
when we have uh u elected officials that they are campaigning then it is even uh it gets worse. So uh right now we just don't have a policy. Um and
like I said it's an administrative role to design designate a spokesperson um we actually have I believe in some kind of retainer even um crisis management teams in case that something happens. So so we
don't have a spokesperson. So we cannot use that excuse to say oh somebody can put something and somebody else cannot. So we have to have some kind of consistency. So I I will tell you this right like I um you know I always
uh tell you that like your your brain and my my brain are wired opposite right. So um for me rather than well if if if one can do it then the next one can do it. remember my hammer analogy? Like I I feel like you don't
give everybody a hammer, you just take away the first hammer and then we don't have to be micromanaging or whatever. I I because then what's going to happen is when other people's, you know, whoever is campaigning, whoever, then we're we're all going to be like we're going to drive the media uh department crazy
with with our special announcements or I I don't I think um I think we shouldn't have that at all. Um because and I understand the the the mayor's position being uh the the
spokesperson obviously if there's a something tragic that happens or we're in the news or you should be the person right um and then if you can't do it then the next person etc. But especially with the with the city social media, I I I
agree that it should just be from the city and if we as individuals have a particular message we want to put out there. Um we do it on our own platforms, you know. Um that would be I think that's that's how I land on this. Yeah.
>> Commission Joseph. >> No comment. >> Vice Mayor. >> Yeah. So speaking strictly about social media, social media post. Um I think in my view the there there's two two or three types of communication right
there. There's the informative type of communication that I think should come if it's the commission that wants to communicate something, it should state from from the city of Sunny Al Beach uh commission, right? If the post is
political in nature or it's got some tinges of of of being political, I think it should come from the city just because the five of us I think have different political ideas. Okay. So, um, like, uh, Commissioner Biscara stated
that there's certain things that we as a city have posted in the name of the commission that she doesn't necessarily agree with with that position. So, I think we need to be very careful, you know, on the subject of the of the post,
the nature of it, whether it's information or whether it is um some political aspect to it. uh or not. So it should state from the commission you know if it's information
that we are putting out there. Now if not it should state from the city. Uh so that obviously just talking about post social media post. Uh aside from that, when we are giving
condolences because of somebody's death or a tragic event, uh I think it should come from the city commission and city staff obviously. So we need to include the
staff in there as well. And um we should have very clear guidelines and separate the type of post that is going to be put out there and who's going to be putting that out there. >> I agree with all that.
>> Or attributing them themselves to that. Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> So, we have a media department and I'm not sure the mayor is comfortable using our media department because uh we had a concert in the park.
That was supposed to happen yesterday. That didn't occur. But then one day I saw this company Spet Florida advertising for the mayor regarding this concert. So I was just thinking, is the
city paying now this company Svet Florida or how is that occurring that the mayor is using SVET Florida to advertise city events? that no this is not a a paid
advertisement by the city. >> So how is it occurring that and what is the reasoning behind using SPE Florida to advertise city events? >> What's the point of your question? I don't understand. >> It's a city event. So why do we need an
outside company >> advertising for it? >> No one's advertising anything. These are personal messages from me. >> Okay. So, you're using the city. So, what was it? A political advertisement?
>> What is your question, Commissioner? >> I'm asking why an outside company is advertising a city event. >> It's not There's no outside company advertising a city event. This isn't a message that is directly from me. Just like you can put a message out on social
media just like anyone >> using city logo city information. >> City information is open to everyone. What do you mean >> city logo? >> The city logo is not used. >> So
uh Commissioner Stuan, do you want to just finish your item? What exactly are you asking the um the manager to do? just to give us an update about the guidelines for our social media accounts of the city. >> Perfect. Is that enough information? All right. Next item.
>> Next item is 3D uh discussion regarding turtle nesting program. >> Yeah. So I >> Oh, wait a second. Yeah, it's 5:00. Um do we want to just continue or move this to the 6:30 meeting? >> It's very short what I have to say.
>> Short. All right, let's let's >> short. Okay, >> so >> supposed to make a motion to go after. >> Yes, you're we will not everyone okay with it? >> Yeah, >> I'm okay with going after four. >> It's five. Yes, but okay. Are we okay with going at this time? Commission uh
vice mayor, your microphone's not on. >> Okay, so I'm going so um I had received a few a lot of complaints about a few buildings in the beach that at night they are very bright. So I saw the people from the
sectoral conserancy lightning program lighting program at the one of the conferences and I approached them. Um bottom line, this is just to give direction for our city attorney and our city cler to be in conversation with
them to give us an update how we should be um if needed to do any update to our code of ordinance when it comes to the lighting ordinance for CTO protection. Um I already received the language and I share with you guys right. I think you
received it today yesterday. Mauricio and Alan I re you received my email to okay okay okay so they sent me already the ordinance update they gave us a very low score with our ordinance as it is right now so again this is just to give
the direction for them to start the conversation to give us an update if nec if necessary to our existing ordinance nothing more >> any comments from the commission >> I I think I think it's a great idea. Um,
and I would uh I mean we get a lot of nests, you know, and which is great to see. And by the way, I I think I um the uh green turtle just got moved off of the um endangered list, I think, this month. >> So, uh it's been endangered for a long
time. So, and that's one of the the fact that we have nests is one of my favorite things about Sunnyhouse Beach that we have nesting turtles. So, I was going to ask because I understand the city manager doesn't have enough to do. Um, can we include
when we have nests, can we include nesting information in your reports? >> I'd like to know how many nests we have, you know? >> Yes. >> When we have them. Yeah. Um, what else? Yeah. And and also, um, along these lines, I don't think we ever we've
ever had like a hatchling release. Then I think that's something our residents would enjoy. I know we do it in Hollover. Um but something to think about. We have we've done it. >> Yes. Through our camp we have. The campers have been able to release.
>> Oh, that's nice. I didn't know that. That's nice. >> Okay. Well, I strike that comment. >> Invite us next time, please. >> Invite us next time. >> Okay. >> All right. So, >> Commissioner Joseph, do you have anything to add? Go
>> there. Is that the city logo? >> Is this the city logo? >> It's sharing our flyer. Yeah. >> Is this the city logo? >> Could we stay on on on >> Well, you mentioned something. >> Yes, that's a sharing of the flyer which
anyone could share the flyer. Anyone could share the city flyer. Do you have anything to add on this item? >> No, I'm going back to this item. >> We've passed that item. No, because you are an honor. >> Now we're going >> Commissioner Joseph >> and there are other
>> stick to the item. Anyone could put >> I'm going back to this item that you weren't honest on the commission. >> This is not a true statement. Okay. Any person can share. >> It's a city flyer. Florida. >> Anybody could share our flyers.
In fact, we want people to share our flyers. The whole point is to get people to come to our events that are residents. So, um, as far as the turtles are concerned, I think that it's amazing that we have so many nests. Um, my concern would be the restrictions and
what that means for us. Um, as far as what sort of how that affects the buildings and then what it and Samson Park. >> Mayor. >> Yeah. >> Here we have >> we are we're currently >> Can you put that down, please? advertising boogie on the beach.
>> Yes, that's You're embarrassing yourself. Can you put that down, please? >> I don't believe I'm embarrassing myself. >> You are. >> Commission. >> Go ahead, >> Mayor. We've been I've spoken with our code manager. We have been in contact
with uh Turtle Conserv Consery and we are working on drafting something. >> Okay. But to your point, we also want to consider, we have to consider now when we pass an ordinance the financial
implication, >> right, >> which could impact our lighting, our street lighting as well. But we are looking at that. It's comprehensive. >> All right. Because I I also want to make sure that we're including the condos because many of them do have um I think
Trump Tower uh has a restaurant on the beach. There's a few that have restaurants that are on the beach. So, just want to make sure that they're part of the conversation and um yeah, I would love to know how many turtles are hatching though. >> Yeah. And in the ordinance that they
sent me last night, which is like the gold standard for them, even um includes when there is a pier. So, like like we do, which is not that common in Florida, believe it or not. So, um so it's very comprehensive like you said. So, that's it. just to continue that conversation
and bring something to us in the future to protect our turtles. Yeah. >> Okay. Perfect. All right. Uh do we want to keep going? >> Any objections? Okay. Commissioner uh Stevenson, your item. >> Yes. Okay. So, I again I receive from our residents
almost every weekend and during the week as well a lot of complaints about the chairs of the uh condominiums on the beach. They send me pictures. they send me everything. So I start asking here in
the city to our staff what is the the process the permit process and the permit fee. And I was super surprised to find out that the pro the fee to have the permit in the area of the beach to
put the chairs is $150 a year. And it's been that if I'm not mistaken for what I got since the very beginning of the city. So once again, it's $150 what the condominiums pay for the
exclusive use of the beach area. So I have my notes. So see here, we are allowing private entities to monopolize a public resource. Condos on their own also charge premium rates based on the
exclusive use of this public space. It is considered I did some research and I asked some actual experts about this and they said that preceding is not a best practice anymore uh because it creates a def facto private beach. Um,
and I had even picture that I received from our residents of like areas that they put like the cones making orange cones making sure that the the the res can't even walk through the
through these areas that they're public. So uh preceding creates a de facto private beach which is poor coastal management and should be replaced which is what is considered now best practice that is set open request system. So you
have to be there as a resident of the building and request chair to be set once you are there not just put all the chairs that you want and keep them there empty. So, another thing is that we had to revisit and
update the process and of course the permit fee because it's like less than $20 a month to have again the exclusive use of the beach. So, the permit fee does not reflect the commercial value of
exclusivity being granted. And like um one developer said to me one day, it's true. We don't own the beach but we sell it. when we sell the apartments. So this is uh also bringing it to a discussion because I think it is an ordinance uh
change if I'm not uh wrong otherwise I will bring it as a resolution. So because we cannot bring uh ordinance I'm bringing this right now as a as a discussion item. >> Oh I'm sorry. And I do have a question to the staff that I didn't have to
answer just yet. What about the storage boxes? Do we charge additionally for that? Do those boxes has to be in the property of the condominiums because as it is right now they're even on top of the dunes. So what is the requirement
for the storage boxes areas chairs etc. Um who's being the one that is um checking that they are in the designated areas. Um I think this is a part of a larger conversation but what I can tell you is that our residents are really
upset about this. Um and they don't feel um that the that we are doing the best for them that part of the things that I get from the res I'm sure they give you guys so much money to allow the condominions to do that because everything is always we are
we getting money and I assure them that in my case not the case I don't receive anything from anybody. uh but uh it opens the door to that kind of accusations. Yeah. >> So um well Susan I had asked this question years ago if you remember u if
we were able to raise the price of that permit and I was told at that time that it cannot be more than the cost of maintaining or issuing the permit. Is that something that's changed or >> That's correct. So there are two types of fees that you This is a regulatory
fee. That's why it's $150 because it's what it's the administrative cost for processing the permit. It's not your property. It's not your beach. So unlike other fees that you could charge. So for example, um if you did own the beach,
you could charge more, a lot more for the exclusive use of that particular property because it's for the privilege of being able to use public property for your particular event or whatever it may be. But since it's not your property, it's not your beach, it's
the counties. Um, and actually up to the main water line, it's it's actually the states. Um, you charge a regulatory fee which is basically only for processing the permit. That's why it's so low, >> right? That's what I So to to commissioners to point, how if at all
>> can we change change it so that u at the very least we can manage or mitigate some of this because this has been an ongoing conversation for as long as I can remember. >> Well, it's it that opens up a much
bigger box. Um because again the regulation of your beach to what extent can you do that? I don't know what type of agreements we may have with the county with regards to how far we can go. So, it kind of opens up a Pandora's
box a bit that we'd have to look into with the county cuz again, it's not your property. So, to the extent that you're licensing a property that's not yours, there may be an issue there. We'd have to look into >> I remember also at that time I was told that anyone could get this permit so
that a sole person could go and put their chair out if they get the permit but that the only thing that prevents people from doing that is for instance you have to have a certain amount of insurance. >> Well I'd have to go back and look at the specific provision but part of the issue too is that yes it does open it up to
the west side also not just those that are on the east side. Correct. But then you're running out of real estate. So when somebody comes in for a permit, it lasts for a year. So if you have a property that's on the beach that comes in for a permit for a certain area, they
have that area for that year. So at some point you're going to run out of real estate. >> So for instance, uh I I remember years ago, I don't know now, uh on the west side used to have chairs out and in next to Newport. So, was that a separate
permit or did they >> they have they have to have permits in order to place chairs on the beach? But there becomes an issue. I know there was an issue in one instance where there were safety issues. The manager has some discretion with regards to the permit because if people are crossing Collins
with 100 chairs, it becomes a safety issue and there there's some discretion there. Again, I don't have the the the ordinance in front of me, but it would have to be, you know, if you're going to make changes, there's going to have to be a comprehensive look at how you
manage the chairs on the beach. >> I think it's overdue. I mean, we have to do it for the people. Like I said, I didn't get the answer about the storage. There is there is big storage areas. Um, who regulate
that? because we're giving them the permit for a seat for the place where they're going to put the chairs. Are we allowing without charging anything for them just to keep all hundreds of chairs in there also? um this is not inclusive
at all you know and the other so I want to know about the storage how we manage that and the second thing is that um do we have to give this permits to whoever comes or we are doing it because they come to us and they ask because we can
eliminate eliminate it completely correct >> you you can eliminate well yes you can of course you can eliminate it completely um currently my understanding is first come, first serve. Um, but if somebody renews within the allotted
time, then and that space is taken, that space is taken. So again, I'd have to go back and look at the ordinance, but it's right now it's first come, first serve. >> Okay. Again, but there is not a right. It's just a privilege that somebody whoever applies and is the first one in
the line, it's going to get it. So we can limit the space that we're giving right now. We are giving to the these buildings so much space. they are abusing it. Uh it brings also pollution. Um when there is the turtle nesting uh
times um it is also like a challenge. So we even might consider just eliminating the program altogether. >> Yeah. I just want for clarification this is about preset. Anyone could put chairs out at any time. So this is so they would still be able to do this. They
just couldn't preset the chairs. Correct, >> mayor? Yes, they're presetting basically to encroach. I mean, there's been such an encroachment that no one else coming to the beach can place a chair. And I've heard this for years. >> I have the picture
>> and I was told that code enforcement had some um means of enforcing this, but is that not the case? >> All right. Go ahead, Mr. Cman. >> Can I ask uh our code manager to come up and just give us an overview and then I can add some comments?
>> Yes, please. Thank you. Good afternoon. >> How are you? >> Better now. Good afternoon everyone. >> Hi >> uh mayor commission. Uh so this program as you mentioned has been around uh for
quite some time. Um, but it it does take into account uh it tries to provide the the buildings with some leeway of allowing chairs and presetting for their residents, but at the same
time uh making sure that the rights aren't being taken away from other residents that don't necessarily live on the beach. So when an individual building requests this, typically it's only the area adjacent to that building
that's being allowed to preset. And as you've mentioned before, it really is only to preset. Some of the buildings take advantage of the area that's allotted to them to preset and some of them don't and others will just bring out chairs. Um, actually most of them
bring out chairs as needed because for their staff to preset everything, it's not it's not good for anyone. >> Um, the areas that are designated per our code, we allow a 20 foot buffer on
the property line of every single property that's out there. And not even just the folio, any building. So example, if it's Oceanania one, two, and three, and it's all one folio, even in between each building, there's a total of 40 feet between the buildings where
it's solely for the public that doesn't live there. In addition to that, we also exclude the emergency access lane. No one's allowed to put any chairs on the emergency access lane, even the public. And then we also do not allow any beach
presetting or any chairs placed anywhere within the line of sight where it might obstruct the lifeguards from, you know, viewing everything that they have to view. Our code also does not preclude any beachgo from setting their chair
wherever they want. These areas are not exclusive to the building. So they can preset and they're allowed to preset there, but any individual, I mean, I wouldn't want to, but any individual could sit down and put your
personal chair in between or next to any of these other chairs that are out there. Uh whether you want to or not, obviously that's a personal choice. >> Okay. May I go ahead? >> So, um, two things. in order to be more
transparent. Uh I don't want to be the one to do a public record request or to ask my residents to do a public record request to know what you just said or to see the maps of those presettings. So I would
like to propose also to for that information to be available to the public. We have a B share program setting or something in our website. I was looking at it today where there is those applications. So if we could
please also put there who has a permit right now what is the map so people can know and see it and put big yellow and red that regardless of that presetting anyone can put their chairs other than
what you said in the line of visibility in the line of the um lifeguards where they have to go. I happen to actually go a lot to the beach with my kids. Uh and uh even though what you said in book is
real and is true, I been several times in the beach uh in the chore with my son and I cannot see the lifeguard because of the umbrellas. So I'm not going to say exactly where because I don't want to call out anybody because that's not
the case right now. That's not the idea. But like I said, I cannot see them because you know uh the short is in that part sometimes because you know the ocean you name it uh it get shorter certain times of the year. So I don't have the visibility. So if I cannot see
them they cannot see me. If they cannot see me they cannot see any of us. So this information what you just said should be available to the people and they should know because that presenting is creating that um people don't feel comfortable doing. They don't even know
that they can do it and they don't feel comfortable getting in through all those chairs and and and I can invite you to use our drones of the police or something at some point in the morning. The presetting actually is very real and it's very big especially by certain condominions not all of them and you are
absolutely right but some of them you go there at 9 in the morning and there's a full lines of sheds already and right now the season is coming when the snow birds are coming you know all the people from the north. So these condominiums are going to have more residents in there. Uh so we we need to do something
because I think I hope everybody else also receive some of those phone calls and pictures and the people is just very annoying about this. >> So can we just put out on on our website the the maps that that are there and so people understand the process and that
uh that that they I think that you know this comes up every couple of months. I feel like it and it's important for people to have that information. >> Yeah. If they can bring a map to the beach with them and show the condo >> for the phone, whatever or the phone, whatever. Definitely. I'm not suggesting
we have vigilantes come out there, but I think >> No, but to stand up for their rights. >> Yeah. And I and I think to Commissioner Sub's point, perhaps if we could have a little bit more um enforcement >> um and that would also probably help with some of the the dogs that run
around on the beach as well. you know, some of those things just to make sure that this the standard of uh of living is the same for everybody that that wants to enjoy the beach. >> We're hearing that it just there are more and more dogs on the beach. >> And I know we have time because this goes with the fiscal year these these
permits. So really my my my cons I want us to consider in our discussion to do the set open request instead of presetting. Like I said, I talked to experts about this. They told me presetting is not a thing no more. That was back in the day. Now it's set open
request. So when you are there or maybe you call your condominium whatever like whatever they're going to work it you let them know that you need the chair and that's when they put the chair. So presetting for all of the above erosion turtles you name it residents is not the gold standard anymore. So we can
consider changing instead of presetting to setting up open up open request. >> Yeah but they don't need a permit for that. They can do that at any time. >> No no no the condominiums to change it from >> No, I understand but they don't need a permit for that. They don't need our permission. If we That would just mean that we would then no longer allow presetting.
>> I I'd like to add something. So, I'd like to add something. So, I understand that they the they meaning the the the buildings have a an assigned perimeter, right, where they could preset their their chairs >> just for the preset. >> No, I understand that. But my two two
things when talking about this one is that they go above and beyond their preset. >> Correct. Lately it's been better. Sometimes they kind of go overboard. They put the cones as you mentioned. But
the one thing I've observed is that they might have a 100 chairs there preset or less, whatever it is, but they might only have 10 people. So I think that perimeter should shrink. We should shrink that perimeter >> because it is too much. They're taking a
lot of space away. And it also makes the experience um you know of going to the beach. I mean we still as residents that don't live in those buildings have a lot of space but you know sometimes you want to go further away from where a lot of the people are kind of congregating. You
know I like to go by where those buildings are because there's less people etc. So I think we should revisit the uh the measurements the perimeter that we're giving them because if you go there at different times of the day and I've gone there in the afternoon I've
gone there midm morning early morning etc. Those chairs are empty I mean you might have 10 people from those buildings there. So what they're taking as far as sand is concerned beach is is more than what they need. So that perimeter should be smaller. In my
opinion, >> we can eliminate the presetting alto together and they can just call the the the >> B. No, but they're still going to need some sort of perime. What I'm trying to say is that it could be a combination. It's it's a Okay, I want to remind you that on demand, but they anybody could
put their chairs anywhere. Meaning that if they don't have to to pull a permit to get the presetting, they can put them anywhere. We can't we can't prescribe a perimeter is is my point. >> Mhm. >> Our perimeter no our perimeter is prescribed only for the presetting but
they can put their chairs anywhere. So if you say for instance you know I live in apartment whatever 500 floor whatever and I'm coming down to the beach I want my chair to be you know 50t away from everyone else. They can do that. >> Do you see what I'm saying?
>> The thing is to stop that other issues. >> How about this? I think that this is I I think if you can can give us a report on this. Okay. So that we all have an understanding of the rules, but also so the public has it. Um and then uh to Commissioner Stson's point, we can all
kind of revisit it to see if if there is a a change that needs to be made. >> We're trying to limit the encroachment. >> Yeah, we can do that. >> On the open space. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Thank you, Julio. >> There's one more item. >> There's one more item. Uh Commissioner Joseph. >> Okay. Thank you. So >> bullet points.
>> Yes. So, we have um injection wells that the city is planning. There was supposed to be a peer review, but I understand that's been cancelled as to the feasibility of those wells. Is that correct? >> Were you Go ahead, Susan.
>> Um yes, we >> review has been cancelled. >> You and I talked about a peer review. You said you did not want us to expend any funds on that. So, we did an internal review from our city engineer who concurred that the injection wells are a
solution for our problem. >> Okay. I don't believe that's their solution, but please let me know how much is that uh intended cost for those. How many injection wells are there? >> The current design has 10.
>> We don't know the cost because it hasn't gone out to bid yet. We're still waiting for our final. So the cost includes the the um the the injection the pumps themselves or is that only for the well drilling or what? >> No, that's the total cost and we're
using existing wells. So it is okay. So we have >> modifying them >> 10 existing wells. >> Yes. >> Okay. Do we know what the capacity of those wells are? How many cubic feet? >> I don't have that information. Okay. Could you please get that to me?
Yes. Okay. Get that. >> And um also the cost of the pumps. >> Do not know that yet because it hasn't gone out to bid yet. >> Okay. So, how can we move forward on something? >> Hold on. I'd like the city manager to chime in here. >> We're moving forward with the injection
wells because that was approved by the commission and we're currently taking that out to bid and that's not going to change unless the commission directs us otherwise. >> Okay. But the commission approved it without knowing the cost.
>> In concept, we what we did was we rejected the pump stations. If you remember, it was millions and millions of dollars and came up with an alternative, which is the injection wells. So, right now, we're costing that out and going to bring that back to you.
>> So, these injection wells and these pumps, they have no filters, correct? So, you're pumping polluted water into the ground through these wells. Is that correct? >> I don't know the specifics of it.
>> Well, we need to know because that's an environmental issue. So, how can you move forward on something without knowing the environmental effects? >> Everything that we do requires permitting and approval. So, we wouldn't do anything that's going to have an environmental impact without having a
permit. Why would we do that? >> And and okay, so once we know the cubic um uh footage of these 10 wells, then I believe that if we were to go with pvious asphalt,
that would be a thousand times more absorption area than what we would have in these 10 injection wells >> based on what? >> And that's something. >> Why do you believe that? Based on what? the the square area of the absorpt the
absorption area of our our flood zone. >> I the question is regarding >> Commissioner Joseph, can you clarify what you just said? You said it would be a thousand times better. >> Well, no. I'm I'm presuming that uh I
understand these wells are 100 ft deep. So in order to understand how much water those wells can accept, I need to know the circumference of the wells themselves in order to calculate how
much water each well can accept. And then and then to determine um by our absorption area if we were to use um pvious asphalt, which I believe uh the it would filter out the impurities
before getting into our aquifer um where these injection wells would not. We'd be pumping uh polluted water into our aquifer. >> And I think the city manager's question was and and correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. city manager, you're asking um what's the source of that information?
>> Well, I'm asking the city manager to have an open mind and to look into using pvious asphalt and pvious concrete on our sidewalks, and that would probably preclude us from having to use these injection wells
at at a much lower cost. I believe and I've spoken to one company that uh the pvious asphalt uh would cost a million dollars a mile to install which is a lot less than uh these
injection wells I believe which we don't even have a number. So to say that the commission approved it not knowing a number that's how we get ourselves into all these >> Jerry we it was in the budget but they don't have a specific number that's why it's going out to bid.
>> So how much is it in the budget? >> It's going to it's going to be coming back to you. You approved the concept but nothing's going to occur until it comes back to you for approval. >> Okay. >> All right. So once that comes back to us, we can >> but at the same time I would like to have the city manager uh look into be
open-minded and look into the pvious asphalt and concrete as well and gauge from professionals as to um uh the benefit of each. >> If it's a noble material, yeah, why not just to consider it, you know,
>> because I believe then the injection welds would not be necessary. I I'd like to hear from an engineer. >> Thank you. Yes. >> We we base our work based on our engineering experts and there's I don't have several things to say about that.
pvious concrete and pvious asphalt and um they've had quite a lot of success and I believe uh Sunny Isles could be the first city in in Florida to use those items and quite successful.
>> If Dade County provides product control approval and they would approve of it, then we would consider it. But until that time, I'm asking that I'm asking that you have an open mind and you start the process to get county approval for
us to look into uh pvious asphalt and pvious concrete. >> I I don't think that there's support from the commission to do that. >> Excuse me. >> There's not support from the commission to do that. Is there not support from the commission to solve the u flooding
problem in sunny Isles in a more um costefficient manner? >> What we would need to hear from an engineer. >> I'm asking for I I I would like to learn more if it's a noble material that can be better than what we let me finish. if
it's a better material and it might even be more more um expensive, but overall and with time it it's gonna prove that it's better. If that is the case, I would love to have a uh somebody to come and give us like a presentation or or send us some information that we can
read. I'm okay with getting like new materials that they are more um that are better. I'm okay with with considering they require a lot of maintenance. >> I don't support us tearing up our sidewalks um at a million dollars.
>> But you're not you're not familiar with this. >> I I'm not because I'm not an engineer. So >> Okay. Well, I'm asking you to have an open mind that I just >> in order to solve our flooding problem. >> I think that we're we all have an open mind, but I think it needs to come from an expert. >> Okay. Well, then let's
>> that's what I'm asking to have an open mind and to look to look into these products for Sunny Isles. >> What is that issue? >> I'd like to hear from an engineer. Maybe ask an engineer. Can we use Perry's uh concrete? And he might say yes, no, it doesn't work. Like Rick said before when
you were talking about I'm sorry, Vice Mayor, we did talk about we did. Okay. >> Yeah, that's what I wanted to know. So, the engineer said yes or no. >> We We did what? >> The engineer said no. That it was not a solution. That was a salute. >> Which engineer was this? >> Our city engineer.
>> Who was that? >> Rick, >> do you have Yes. Do you have anything works? >> Listen. No. I would like Jerry. >> I would like to have a company that specializes in pvious asphalt and pvious
concrete to give us um >> the presentation. >> Yes. >> I'm not interested in in a presentation. >> I'm not interested in a presentation. If if there is that's a conversation that needs to be had with with staff with the
engineer. I'm not you're right. I divorce people, right? I am not a this this I'm not the person I wouldn't be very helpful in in listening to that presentation. >> Well, you could go on to Google also and look into something and >> my my point is okay. I'm not going to
support doing it this way, but if you know if it needs to be revisited, staff can do that. I I >> There are several states that use these materials and they're quite successful with them. I would like >> at a lower cost than maintenance 530. >> All right. I think that um
we're done. Um all right. So meeting adjourned and we'll see everyone at 6:20. 20.