--------- All right. Good evening everyone. It's 6:30. I'm calling the meeting to order. >> Commissioner Joseph >> present. >> Commissioner Lama >> here. Commissioner Styverson. >> Vice Mayor Viscara >> here. Mayor Setchum
>> here. >> All members present moment. >> Okay, great. Thank you. Could please rise to for the pledge of allegiance. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. We do not have an invocation tonight. MC. >> Okay. So, first item on the agenda that we will consider tonight is the approval
of the minutes of May 14th. >> Uh can I get a motion, please? So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. >> Thank you. All in favor? I. >> Thank you. We'll now play the mayor's
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rules of procedure to ensure productive meetings that serve both the public and the city commission. Thank you for your cooperation and understanding. >> Okay, before we get to the order of business, um I want to welcome everyone. It's really nice to see so many people in the audience, so thank you for
coming. I just want to remind you that in addition to the the three-minute rule and making sure that you sign up for um for any item to speak, this room is designed in a way that we can hear all conversations up here. So even if you're in the back, we can hear your
conversation. So kindly if you do need to speak uh to to your neighbor, please do so uh outside because it's very disruptive for us up here. Okay. Thank you. Where you see changes to the agenda? >> Yes, we have a couple of changes to tonight's agenda. The first one is additional information has been provided
for item 9A which is the resolution awarding the holiday lights bid. Item 9 I has been deferred which is or was a resolution approving a subleas agreement with the San Beach Jewish
Community Center. Item 9J has been revised and a resolution, the resolution specifically has been revised. And item 9K has been added on, which is a resolution adopting the 2025 through 2023 Miami date county local mitigation
strategy. >> And are we combining G and H? >> Yes, we are. >> Okay, great. Wonderful. Thank you. >> So, we just need a motion to those. >> Can I get a motion? >> Motion. >> Second. All in favor? >> I.
>> Right. >> Okay. So now the first item is ordinances first reading 6A. And I apologize. Give me one second. I just lost my things.
6A is an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Sunny Als Beach, Florida, amending chapter 256 of the code of ordinances of the city of Sunny Als Beach, article 5, section 256-37 entitled Definitions, Rules, and
Regulations for Operation, section 233-8 entitled Penalties for Offenses, and 256-39 entitled Enforcement to create and provide regulations for the use of electric bicycles. within the city's jurisdiction. We're voting for repealer, servability, codification, and an
effective date. >> Okay. Cuz manager, >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission, uh we're bringing this forward in response to your request to revise and update our bicycle ordinance to include specific regulations
regarding ebikes. >> Okay. Do we have any public speakers? >> We do. >> Okay. Stephen Hirs. >> Good evening, Stephen Hirs. 17201 Collins. I support this ordinance that's amending
chapter 256 uh relating to uh promoting pedestrian safety on our sidewalks. I think it's a great followup to uh the earlier ordinance regarding scooters. However, we must note that this will likely increase the amount of bicycles,
albeit motorized bicycles, on the right lane of Collins and Sunny Isles Beach Boulevard. That led me to look at the 236 page 2016 Sunny Isles Beach Transportation Master Plan to see what, if any, provisions
uh could be affected by this, albeit motorized bicycles on our main arteries. After reading the report, it was evident to me that the 2016 study, where survey times are over 10 years old, needs to be
updated for several reasons. Population growth has substantially increased traffic demand and are well beyond the original projections. The report predates escooters, micromobility devices,
appbased ondemand transits, uh, transit demands such as Ubers, lifts, and the report relied on traffic counts and patterns from approximately 2014 through 2015. As any of us speak with residents of
Sunny Al's Beach and you ask what is one of the major downsides to the quality of life in our city, traffic always seems to be near the top if not at the top of the list. As the next logical step after creating
pedestrian safety from micromobility devices, I suggest a commission I suggest to the commission that maybe it's time to take and revisit our outdated transportation master plan. Sunny Al's Beach has changed
dramatically since 2016 with increased development, new transportation technologies, and evolving pedestrian safety concerns. Our transportation plan should be updated using current data so that any future
investments that we need to make regarding traffic flow, traffic safety, pedestrian safety are based on today's realities and not yesterday's assumptions. Thank you very much for allowing me to talk. >> Thank you. Any other speakers?
>> No further speakers. >> Okay, I'll take uh comments or questions. Mr. Joseph, would you like to start? >> Just um my idea originally was to ban e- scooters and ebikes in Sunny Isles. We
really don't have a safe provision for them to uh be in the streets. Uh they're absolutely not safe on the sidewalks and um my regard for that was the safety of
residents in the city. We have um scooters now for uh riders under 16 off the streets which have made a big difference. But I think in the end we're going to have to take it that one
step further. We'll see how things uh progress. But right now our streets are somewhat safer and we'll see what happens in the in the near future. We can always come back and make our policies stronger as necessary.
Thank you, Commissioner Sosen. No moments. Commission. >> No, no comments. >> Comments. Vice Mayor, >> I support this obviously. Um, but I I was hope hoping and I don't mean to catch anybody off guard, but if you have
the uh information off the top of your head, I I know that um we started the enforcement or the warning period. And I liked one of the uh Facebook posts. I saw that you on that first day you didn't have to open the uh the warning
uh book, >> you know, the warning book. Yeah. So, I was just wondering how it's looking if you have any input on that. >> To date, both PD and code have reported that they've had zero violations.
>> That is great news. >> Okay. Anyway, that's all. >> Okay. So, uh, with that, I'll take a motion. >> I'll make a motion. >> I'll second. >> Reio. >> Commissioner Joseph. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Llama. >> Yes.
>> Commissioner Syent. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Vascara. >> Yes. >> Mayor Satchin. >> Yes. >> The ordinance passes on first reading. Second reading will be scheduled for July. Okay. Next item, please. Next item is 8A
which is excuse me in an ordinance of the city commission of the city of Sunny Alis Beach Florida amending chapter 265 article 2 section 265-5 entitled definitions in article 5 section 265-17
entitled subdivision plat approval of the code of ordinances of the city of sunny als speech in accordance with the requirements of section 177.071 of the Florida statutes as amended by Senate Bill 784 of 2005 and to align
with certain procedures in chapter 28 of the Miami date code of ordinances providing for repeal of severability codification and an effective date. >> Thank you. >> Good evening Mayor, vice mayor commissioners. Um this is second reading of our ordinance related to the platting
procedures in the land development regulations. Just as a quick refresher um the purpose of this ordinance is to come into compliance with state legislation that passed in 2025 that requires all municipalities and counties to administratively approve plat with no
further action or approval by the governing body. Uh, as the commission requested last month, a line has been added to the ordinance which states, "The city manager shall forformational purposes only submit a written report to the city commission advising of any plat
approval, approval with conditions or denial." And that's added in two places in the ordinance. Once for subdivisions, and also for waiver of plat. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Are there public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> All right. Are there questions or comments from the commission? >> Yes. Go ahead, commissioners. was this
this was not the the direction that was given >> to be informed after the application gets approved. What's the point? So we were we said that we wanted to know when this application was submitted. So I will make a motion to modify again
exactly the same language that it was recommended with the difference that the city manager shall forformational purposes only submit a written report to the city commission advising of any plat replat or plat modification application.
The same thing on the sec second section. The city manager shall forformational purposes only submit a written report to the city commission advising of any waiver of plat application. We had a long discussion
and the direction was very simple. We want to be informed. This is administrative. We cannot do anything. We cannot interfere. So the only thing we need to know is to be informed. So, we need to be informed when the application is submitted, not after it gets approved.
>> Okay. Before I take a motion for uh a second for your motion, can I just get clarification for the city attorney because we discussed this during the agenda review, >> right? As as we discussed uh on Tuesday at the workshop. Uh in looking back at the statute, um you as a governing body cannot be involved in any way, shape, or
form in the platting process. um the language that was requested by implication involves you and inserts you into the process. It screams interference. If there's a difference between knowing when it's applied for versus when it's approved, it very it
points directly to interference. Whether it be indirect interference or direct interference, if you have that in your code, anybody challenging it would have that to work with. So again, to keep in the spirit of the statute, you are not involved in the process at all. It should be after the fact.
>> Okay. Thank you. There's a motion on the table. >> But again, that that is guessing that somebody's going to interfere because that's not that's not what it says. Plus, we give the directions. You give a you can give your recommendation, but we are the legislative body. We are the ones who decide we're voting for this.
And that interference u claim I look for it in the status and that's an interpretation that is not there. So we you are assuming that by we knowing about this we're going to do something with that information and that's not the spirit of this. So we it was taken from
us the um the ability or the power to vote for that for that application. It it wasn't taken from us the ability to get informed. So like I said it's very simple. We need to be informed when the application is
submitted. Now, after it got approved, that was the very specific direction that we gave in the last commission meeting. >> Okay. Is there a second to Commissioner Stevenson's motion? All right. So, the motion dies. So, we're back on the original motion. Or
rather, I don't have a motion yet. So, um would anyone like to add anything or make a motion? No. Okay. So, can I get a motion for this item? >> Motion. >> I need a second. >> Second.
>> Commissioner Lama, >> yes. Commissioner Cyerson, >> no. >> Vice Mayor Viscara, >> I'm a no because I don't think the language should have been added to begin with. I liked it the way it was last. So, >> Commissioner Joseph.
>> Okay. >> No. >> Metan. >> Yes. The ordinance fails on first on second reading two to three. >> Okay. So, can you clarify what's going to uh >> Well, by Florida statute, you have to
you have to pass an ordinance. Okay. In this regard, it has to >> So, would you like to make a motion, Commissioner Viscar? >> I would like to make a motion to to remove the language that we added last month. >> Can you can you remind me please what that language was for the record?
>> Sure. The language says as currently written, the city manager shall forformational purposes only submit a written report to the city commission advising of any plat approval, approval with conditions or denials. >> Okay. Do is there a second to vice
mayor's motion? We have to pass. >> Okay. Well, if there's no second, I'll I'll change my vote or I'll, you know, I'll reconsider the vote or whatever. >> Okay. So if we go back may I please if we go
back to the original language what are the implications will be which original language >> no it just means that the manager would not need to advise us that's the difference so so vice mayor >> form not advice >> so okay so one what what are we okay
what is the vice mayor proposing >> vice mayor if you could please clarify for commissioner llama why you voted no >> the way that it was originally presented to us This language about the city manager was added last at the last meeting. >> Correct. >> Um and I don't think it's necessary. I
think we get the information. If there's something that we want to know, we have the monthly reports. I I feel like uh adding it's not standard language and I I don't think it belongs there. I don't you know, if I have to change my vote, I will. We're not going to be without
compliance, but I really think >> uh it should just not be there. >> All right. So there's no sec there's let's try this again. So because there wasn't a little bit of confusion. So vice mayor made a motion to go back to the original which did not have the
language of the manager having to inform the commission specifically of a change. Is there a second? Okay. So that fails. So procedurally can we go back to the original a motion to reconsider? >> Yeah. Procedurally, we would need to
reconsider this and one of the members of the commission that voted against in this case the vice to reconsider this item and then make the motion that she wishes. All right. >> Okay. So, motion to reconsider
as written. Uh, yes. As written today. Today. Yes. Okay. I >> And a second for that motion. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I I No, we have. >> Okay. So, now we're reconsidering the
motion as is. >> All right. >> The resolution as written today. >> All right. Now, I need a motion for that motion. I need a second. >> So, we'll I mean second. >> Okay. >> Okay. Commissioner Lama, >> yes.
Commissioner Styverson, >> no. >> Vice Mayor Viscaro, >> yes. >> Commissioner Joseph, >> no. Mayor's Fetchin. >> Yes. >> The ordinance is adopted 3 to two as written tonight. >> All right. Next item, please.
>> Next item is 9A resolutions. A resolution awarding request for proposal number 26-0412 and approving an agreement with Allseason Imports doing business as the Christmas Palace to install holiday lights and decorations at various
locations throughout the city. Okay, Mr. City Manager, >> Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the commission, this is our bid that we put out approving with all season imports doing business as the
Christmas Palace to install holiday lights and decorations at various locations throughout the city. >> Okay. Do we have public speakers? >> We do. David Virgil. >> Okay. Again, as a reminder, anyone that wants to speak on this item, this is your
opportunity to sign up. Thank you. Hi, David. >> Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, and Commission. My name is David Virgil. My address is 17500 North Road, St. Louis Beach. I just want to say that the renderings of the new holiday lights look amazing in my opinion. Um, it's
great that there is a wide variety of colors to choose from. As appears in the end of the packet, it shows red and green, blue and white, and also yellow. So, in case anyone's any controversy about the colors, the city could choose
different colors. Um, there's also great coverage from the north end of the city to the south end of the city. So, that's pretty great, too. There's one thing I noticed on like page 30 of the PDF document. It shows that there's uh three palm trees at Town Center Park. I think
two uh fell down. So, maybe uh two sets of lights might be an extra cost. that is unnecessary at this time. So, yep, that's all. >> Thank you. Any other speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> All right. Um, this is a hot topic. Are
we going to put up the pictures on the screen? Do we have them? >> Okay. So, who would like to start? This is a a big conversation. Commissioner Stew, would you like to start? >> Not yet. >> Okay. Who's ready to speak? >> I'll speak.
>> Go ahead. So, um I I do like this. Obviously, during our agenda review, I requested that we have a workshop on it because I I I do think that we need to work a little bit more on the color palette and then the nativity scene
issue came up. So, I think that we need a workshop to uh define um how this is going to be structured and take place. So, yeah. That's basically it. I I would like to work on the color palette. Obviously,
we're not doing that today. Today, we're approving the the the awarding of the contract, but those are my comments right now. >> Okay. Yeah. I uh let the city manager answer and then Commissioner Stewen, you can go. >> Thank you, Mayor. I just wanted to point
out to Commissioner Llama's point that we have scheduled a workshop to discuss this further. I spoke with Mauricio and we have it calendared. >> Okay. Okay. For the colors. All right. Commissioner Stewen, go ahead. >> Okay. That's very interesting because I have here the addendums and it was very
specific giving the instruction to all the beers that the select contractor shall provide holiday lighting in neutral nonh holiday specific colors. That is exactly what it was in the add
agenda number three of the questions and answers to all the plan holders. It says that several times the selected contractor shall provide holiday lining in neutral nonh holiday specific colors to to say that we're going to have them
a workshop for this for the color theme when the color theme already is he said that it shall provide non holiday specific colors that that's even worse than being gas light. Another thing he said here very specific also during the
um the the four meetings that they had etc that they must provide and install a minora not provide I'm sorry install a minora that says in the RFP but excluded specifically the
manure from the same display we it said that we cannot have a nativity even one of the vendors provided in his offer and it was extreme excluded. So again, no nativity, nothing for the for for one
group and everything for another group. So um and again to said that then we're going to be discussing the color palette. How is that possible when we are going to approve right now a contract that it says it cannot be multiolor? I have that question. City manager.
>> Cool. >> Um go ahead, Mr. City Manager. Can you just clarify the purpose of the workshop as requested by vice may I mean by commissioner lama? >> We had to provide some general outlines in order to get the bid done because
time is of the essence. So in terms of substituting one light for another or the possibility of adding or moving let's say a nativity scene would be up to the commission but it certainly falls within our purview of however we direct the vendor.
>> Okay. Go ahead. >> And that's how we constantly get upcharged. I mean, the whole process is so backwards. It just makes no sense to me. And we do it year after year. >> So, >> we should be having the this workshop.
We should be having it in March or April, not now. It just makes no sense. >> Okay. Uh, I just want to give others an opportunity. Vice Mayor, did you want to add anything? I recall having sitting up here and
having a discussion about it. So I don't think I don't understand the outrage. This is these are things we've talked about. So um >> and we should be having >> Wait, wait, wait. So Mayor, we talked about that and we talked about that and just because it gets talked about
doesn't mean that there's consensus. Just because it's discussed doesn't mean it was agreed upon. >> So um yeah, I'll I'll I don't want to go down this rabbit hole and be here for an hour. If if you guys want to really dig into the details, we can have a workshop about the details. But um as far as the
contract is concerned, I'm okay with it. >> Okay. >> May I say something? >> Please go ahead. >> Yeah. So I think the the the color what was presented is an improvement from from last year. I still think it needs to be worked on a little bit more.
Me personally, I like to see some some red and green, which I'm not seeing in this uh color palette, these schematics. So, I like to see that. And obviously, we need to talk about the uh the nativity scene as well. You know, I know that there's some legal,
you know, uh impediments or certain laws. Uh but I think we should be discussing that in the uh workshop as well. And that's it. I mean I I I really want to streamline it and simplify it and um I think we could work on the
color palettes uh very easily. Mhm. >> Okay. Okay. >> Without being upcharged. >> So So which is going to be because we have here a red one, the same one, golden one, the same one silver one. >> I would go with the red one. We take a vote.
>> That's the point. That's you're not going to see this again, you know. And also the issue that we have here with this bidding process is that the scope of work was completely open. It was not a line of prices. So you cannot compare
when they were not beating for the with price. So anybody that they could submit their own design no >> our price that we were >> Commissioner Joseph Commission has the floor. >> But let me read. So what is a competitive bidding? Genuine price
competition among comparable fixed scope bids. Here we didn't have a fix fixed scope. Anybody has to submit whatever they wanted. So even because I saw the four meetings that the committee had to
present this uh recommendation they say themselves our employees our staff that they could not compare. I'm cooperating. They could not compare the four bits because they could not understand. There were different line items, different
prices. So we didn't ask them to let's say quote per Christmas tree per uh tree lighting. Anybody could quote the way they want it. So here we are not even comparing this. This is really the
antithesis of a bidding process. I think we should refer defer this item have the workshop before we are telling somebody that we're giving what is the term of this contract city manager >> go ahead
>> it's an initial two-year with three one-year renewals >> so it's a fiveyear contract we are giving a fiveyear contract without a price list without being able to compare when our own staff say it on the record is recording you guys can watch those
videos and see that they say themsel that they could not compare. Have you seen the tabulation? It was like 84.81 the other one 85 then it went up then it went down. They had to have four meetings because two of the beaters
didn't even get the questions that they were being submitted. So the whole process wasn't good. when we are saying that oh we are against the time I can remind you last year by October we didn't have a contract just yet and we are in June so I'm making a motion to
defer this item if you want to if we want to have a workshop or or something about that I'm I'm fine with that but the whole process is wrong we're giving a five-year contract without having enough information without having comparables when our own staff was very
confused about how to tabulate these four vendors Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I want to make sure everyone gets an opportunity >> from this side. Anyone? Okay. Commissioner Joseph, go ahead. >> Yes. So, then we're starting out. We're telling the vendors, please charge me at
least 250,000 and with the ability to hit us with upcharges. It's so absurd and the whole process makes no sense. And I've said that for years. >> Okay. And my last point, we give very specific instructions to include an
activities and they were not those directions for the people that they don't know. We are here to give directions to the staff and they have to follow those direction. Well, apparently that's not what we are here to do because we were a very specific and I
can remind you when certain um residents sent an email to the city manager last year suddenly a manger was installed in Sansson Park. So we do have a we can we have the the capacity to do it >> and only oh yes and only three miles
going south there's a beautiful nativity seen every single year in Bell Harbor >> and many other places so we gave the direction and we were ignored >> you guys were ignored so I make a motion to defer this item
>> okay there's a motion on the table is there a second >> one more thing to say and our residents are not able to have the nativity scene because of a fear of a lawsuit. That is
just so ridiculous. And we have so many issues that we that's brought to our attention so many times and sometimes you have to fight for what you want. >> Okay, there's a motion on the on the table. Is there a second?
>> Okay, >> it's a motion to defer the item. >> Motion to defer. So I second it. >> Okay. >> I'll ask for a roll call. >> Commissioner Cymp. >> Yes to the motion to deserve. >> Vice Mayor Viscara.
>> No. >> Commissioner Joseph. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Lama. >> No. >> No. >> Miss Fetchin. >> No. >> The motion dies 3 to two. >> Okay. So now we're back on the item. Um,
I need a motion for the item then. >> So moved. >> I need a second. >> Second. >> Five year contract. >> Mauricio. >> Commissioner Styent. >> No. >> Commissioner Joseph. >> No.
>> Comm. Vice Mayor Viscara. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Lama. >> Yes. >> Mayor Setchin. >> Yes. >> The resolution is approved. Three to >> residents. Thank you very much. >> Next item. >> Next item is 9B, a resolution approving
a first amendment to the agreement with Port Consolidated for the purchase of gasoline and diesel fuel for the city's fleet and equipment. >> Mr. City Manager, >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission, this is our first amendment with the company port consolidated the for the purchase of gasoline and
diesel fuel for our city's um fleet. >> Great, Mr. Mr. City Clerk, do we have public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> All right. I'll take comments from the commission. >> We'll take a motion. >> Motion. >> We need a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> I.
>> Okay. Next item, please. >> 9C is a resolution approving a fifth amendment to the agreement with IM Electric for street lighting, preventive maintenance, and as needed electrical services. >> Okay. >> Mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission. This approves another amendment, a fifth amendment with AM
Electric. They are the company that provides for maintenance of our street lighting also using them for as needed electrical services including work in Golden Shores. >> Okay. Do we have public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> I'll take uh comments from the
commission. Go ahead, Commissioner Joseph. >> So, I had reported at the agenda review that we had um on North Bay Road on 186th Street, we had uh two street lights that were out. I was told that that was uh regarding vandalism
that there was um a lock that had been broken and a switch turned off, but last night the lights were still off, so I don't understand what the issue was. >> Okay, Mr. City Manager. >> City Manager, >> the question why the lights were still
off in Golden Shores. I was not aware, but I'll find out. Okay, thank you. >> All right, any other comments? Oh, actually I do have >> Please go ahead. So I had asked also um prior to Tuesday's agenda review
regarding what is happening with the vendors um AT&T and Breezel Line regarding the fact that they're not installing fiber which had been pulled across the um inter coastal and is at the bridge in
Golden Shores waiting to be installed but they're just not installing it. They're looking for additional funds from the city, >> deputy manager, >> and I never got an answer. >> I'm not aware of them looking for any additional funds from the city. They have not expressed that to us.
>> So, there is the reason that we still have copper when it's obsolete. >> So, as I told you, I reached out to both AT&T and Breezeline just uh yesterday. Breezeline got back to us. They are I could not understand their response and
I need to get better clarification but they said that they are using both fiber and copper depending on the customer. I was never offered I have breeze line I was never offered that opportunity and they just came in undergrounded mine
with copper and their services on and off. It's actually still connected not to the underground, it's still connected to the overhead. So, they're not being honest with you. And we've paid them millions
of dollars. So, we need follow through by the city manager's office to really not just ride the wave, but see what's really happening and get this job completed. Commissioner Joseph, can you just clarify your request so that we can have
a discussion? >> Okay. So, for next month, I want a full followup on what the city manager's office is doing to hold these services to task in order to have them explain why they're still installing copper and
not installing fiber that everywhere else in the city has access to. Mayor, >> they were supposed to actually myself and um Jason, Senator Piso were promised by
AT&T and Breezeline that fiber was going to be installed at no additional charge and they're just not doing it. >> Mr. City Manager, >> we don't regulate AT&T or Breezeline. So, I'm not sure what you would like. >> Contract was signed with the city. The
city signed the contract for the installations. I'll have to look at that. But we don't regulate We don't regulate. >> No, it's not. We don't regulate either one of those. >> Mr. City Attorney, >> if they are promising something that they're not delivering to you as a
customer or anyone as a customer, they're regulated by the public service commission. >> So, we're paying millions of dollars for the undergrounding and we have and we have no oversight. >> We're not paying them any money. >> We haven't paid any millions of dollars for undergrounding. you're undergrounding conduit, but you're not
they're that's between them and their customers. And to the extent that they're promising things to you as a customer that they're not delivering on, that's regulated by the public services. >> So, we installed conduit for certain
services to use. Correct. >> Correct. >> And we So, we had hot we had hot wire that wanted to come in and install internet in Golden Shores and for some so who was it that didn't allow them to
use the content >> they if I recall correctly hotwire did not want to participate unless they had full participation from the neighbors and they didn't >> right that's correct >> so we don't we don't regulate that >> they didn't have the opportunity to to even advocate uh to get uh opinions from
the residents I was never asked by hot wire if I wanted to have their certification >> well Commissioner Joseph that's not up to as to how they run their business. That's up to them. >> We We wouldn't be contacting them and telling them what to do. >> So, we own the conduit, correct?
>> Yes. >> We pay to have the conduit installed and we're allowing services to install their copper cable, which is obsolete, in our conduit without any say so as to what gets installed in that conduit.
>> We don't regulate utilities. the state of Florida does. We can't. It's just like FPNO. I mean, they they are we're essentially preempted. Again, they are they fall under the Public Service Commission's jurisdiction. So, if they're doing something they're not supposed to be doing,
>> um, and again, it's a lot of it comes between >> the company and the customer, what product they provide, and the city doesn't get involved in that. This was the city that signed a contract with FPNL and these services several years
ago to install the services and unfortunately uh uh from what I believe is wording similar to whatever's on the poles goes underground without anyone having any foresight
to under or to do any research to understand that cable that copper was obs obsolete or internet service and that that fiber which was already several years ago in use was the upand
cominging product for internet and no one thought in this city to look out for the residents a and have any forwardthinking thought to say you must since we're paying you so many millions install fiber. Is that
correct? But again for clarification as far as who the city is paying >> well that first of all that question should be directed to the manager and two my understanding is that we cannot dictate what these companies offer.
>> So no how many millions have has a city paid to have the undergrounding work done >> that I have to defer to this city manager. >> We'll have to research that. Mayor, >> we've researched it so many times. >> I understand should be on the commission
tongue. >> Commissioner Joseph, let's stick to the item on the agenda. So, um, >> no, but no, because then we get to next month and we still haven't gotten to the point and these services, every resident, 200 and something
households in Golden Shores are the orphan child of the city. Everyone else in the city, every high-rise, Atlantic Isle, everywhere has fiber. Golden Shores is the only area that there's no even hope except what are they saying?
For four years, maybe they'll be installing the fiber that's right at the bridge on our side in Golden Shores and they might get around to it in four years. That's totally unacceptable. >> I I hear you. However, that's not the item on the agenda.
>> Well, I've made it I understand that we're not >> add this I make a motion to add this to the agenda. >> Okay. You we can't do that right now. >> We make a motion. >> You want to do more specific? I would I would like to add a discussion as to the
undergrounding and golden shores and why it has not f been followed up on by the uh city manager's office and we've just allowed them to ride the wave month after month without accomplishing what they had said they would accomplish.
>> Who's they? >> The uh AT&T and Breezeline. We finally um have completion except for one property for FPNL's undergrounding and that's another issue that for another day if that doesn't get resolved that I
have to bring up for one resident in Golden Shores that's been tortured with their electric. >> No, I I understand. I I I think that uh what what you're asking for is not something that we can possibly even discuss today. Well, I I want to bring it to a head so that the city manager
who's it's his duty with all the millions we've paid out for the undergrounding to be aggressive in following up and holding these uh services uh their their feet to the fire in order to get the job done the way it was promised.
>> I I understand that. But the question that you're asking is is not within the remit of the city manager as far as giving any sort of direction to a private utility. That's my point. >> We have the city attorney if we have to bring suit against them and that's what
we should be doing. >> I understand. But you you must agree this is a very very big scope of of uh discussion that you're looking to >> month after month. >> I understand. So how about this >> direction? Why don't you work it through with the city attorney and the manager and bring it on for next month so that
we're all clear and have advanced notice of what exactly you want to discuss? >> Great. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Be ready. >> Okay. We'll be ready. All right. Uh I'll take a motion then. >> So moved.
>> I need a second. No second. Okay. So what do we do in this instance? The item dies. >> Remains. >> Okay. Status quo. All right. Next item. >> Next item is 9D. A resolution approving an agreement with pipeline plumbing
service of Broward for as needed citywide plumbing and backflow repairs. >> Okay. Mr. City Manager, >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission. This is an agreement with pipeline plumbing for as needed citywide plumbing and backflow repairs.
>> Okay. Do we have any public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> All right. I will take comments or questions from the commission. >> I will take a motion then. >> Motion. >> Need a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Right. Next item, please.
9E is a resolution approving a fourth amendment to the agreement with Universal Protection Service LLC doing business as allied universal security services for armed security unarmed security guard services at government
center. >> Okay, Mr. City Manager, >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission, this is the company that provides security guard services at the government center 24 hours a day. >> Thank you. Do we have public speakers? >> No, ma'am. Any comments from the commission? >> Hello.
>> I'll take a motion, please. >> Motion. >> I need a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> I. Okay. Next item, please. >> 9F is a resolution approving the issuance of a purchase order to CSPI Technology Solutions for the purchase of
uninterruptible power supply units. >> Mr. City Manager, >> Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the commission. This item is for backup power supply for it. >> All right. Do we have any public
speaking cards? >> No, ma'am. >> All right. You sure? >> Yes. >> Okay. I'll take uh questions from the commission. Go ahead, Commissioner Joseph. um at the agenda review even though it's just um tangentatory to this item I had asked regarding um the solar
panels on the city on city hall roof. Is there any information that you have that I had requested? >> Mayor, >> please. >> Uh the solar panels we check with our IT director and would not be compatible for this use. >> Okay.
>> No, I understand. But I had sent over information regarding uh different types of solar panels. I was asking what type of solar solar panels do we have exactly? >> Solar panels is a separate issue and we're still gathering the information on that.
>> Okay. So please, I'm now asking for the brand, make and um uh category and um efficiencies regarding the solar panels that are installed on um the city hall roof,
whether it was taken into account uh the uh heat factor and sun factor in in uh Sunny Isles and South Florida regarding the type of solar panels that were installed or was it just done willy-nilly like so many other other
things that we waste money on in this city? >> Okay. Um, anyone else? >> I would like that for next month, please. >> That can be done probably by email your request.
>> Okay. The Okay, perfect. Uh, I need a motion. >> Some move. >> Need a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> All right. Next item, please. That's G and >> H >> H combined. >> NG is a resolution approving a use and occupancy agreement and addend them
there too with the Florida Department of Transportation for public parking and other public purchases on parcel number 7756 located at 500 Sunny Alice Boulevard. 9H is a resolution approving a use and occupancy agreement and addendum there
too with the Florida Department of Transportation for parcel number 3129 located at 500 Sunny Als Boulevard. >> Okay, city manager, >> mayor, vice may commission, these two parcels are near each other off of Sunny Hills Boulevard and FDOT owns these
parcels. This enters into an agreement with FDOT so we can further develop and use those parcels. >> All right, Mr. City clerk, do we have public speakers? Okay, I'll take comments from the commission. >> Yeah, I have a question because here
they keep making reference to exhibit B. It says everything is about exhibit B. All the maps etc are but there is no exhibit B in any of the three items.
So can how can we vote if we don't have the full information? Another thing is that uh it says as well the um that we need to do this so we can we can sub list the property for the
playground etc. But now we don't even have the sublist portion being added to the agenda. So like I said the exhibit B which is what it says the most important part uh is not included anywhere it's just a draft
so I do believe we should defer this item until we have the full scope and all the information. Sorry. Which which exed referend >> the three of them they say CB over and over? No, not in the resolution in the agreements. >> What page is it?
>> Shall we go? >> It looks like it's um at least one of them is 4D on page two of the use and occupancy agreement for 7756. >> I I found 14 reference to exhibit B and it's nowhere.
And that's a specific what is like like the the scope the terms etc. What is is supposed to be the okay the residents state that F dot use and occupancy agreement and his agenda are appended here to and incorporated as
comp composite exhibit B but we don't have any exhibit B and that's exactly about the use and occupancy agreement it says then later on that we acknowledge receip acknowledge of provisions on exhibit B. We don't have
any exhibit B. So, I'm going let the city attorney answer that or the sub list is exhibit B. Again, no exhibit B. So, how can we vote something that we don't have? What page were you? Were you from
everywhere? Just just pick give me one because I I like >> just put Ctrl F and put exhibit B and you're going to find it. It's more than 14 reference and that's exactly the exhibit that is going to be redrawing the boundaries and the sketch and the legal description, all of that. None of
that is it. No, I don't I don't know how I have 20 pages as I have 20 pages on the use occupancy agreement. I have the resolution and the cover page. That's what I have. >> Okay. Did you read it? What do you have? >> Oh, I have same thing.
>> Okay. So where is so exhibit B is is is supposed to have the scope and it's at the end >> but is that in the occupancy? >> It's everywhere. It's in all the >> in the resolution. I only in the resolution. Okay. You said it's everywhere. >> It was not in the memo. It is in the document. Not in the 18 pages documents.
You're going to see in three of them at the end. And also it makes reference to exhibit B C. Exhibit C is not there. >> But it only has exhibit A in the correct page occupancy agreement. >> Fair. Page two, number four of page two.
Thank you. >> Uh says that under D >> friend describing exhibit B >> mayor and commissioners the attachment uh the exhibit B was attached to the subleasase agreement. So if you
look at the schematic the the item lab they pulled >> that's the one with schematic and the >> yes that's what is being referenced as exhibit B it was just added to the wrong >> which is defer the deferred item and I
do see the schematic >> but it doesn't say there that there that's the exhibit B because we had exhibit A and the schematic is just supposed to be like the three survey and disposition And it's like I said, it's not in the
two um resolutions that we're voting on right now. >> Okay. Mauricio, for the record, could you clarify where it is, please? >> It's in the deferred I attached. It's attached to item 9J
>> and it's labeled as a schematic for that >> exhibit B >> rather than exhibit B. But that it it should be attached to items 9H and 9 I. >> So it was inadvertently left out. >> Yeah. Attached to the wrong item. >> Okay.
>> All right. So is it available right now on uh online? It is available online. Yes. >> Okay. >> Again, it's not what is making it says in the resolutions
that is going to have including the scope, the boundaries, etc. So, like I said, it's not there. Here we can see the schematic which are the uh the survey, the drawings, the trees, etc. Uh that's not the reference that the
contract is making about CBB over and over. >> May I? >> Yes, please go ahead. >> Is is the plan to have the sub lease item um back on next month or is there
>> some version worked out >> some version of that should be back next month. Yes, that is the intent. >> Okay. So we should >> should should we just >> you know combine everything refer for all of it for next month or
>> we can vote. >> Is there something time sensitive at this point that that we need to pass this >> or can we wait? I mean >> uh I'll let the city manager answer that. >> It can be deferred for a month. >> Okay. >> Does this not slow down us being able to
add the parking? >> Yes. >> It delays it? Yes. I'm just concerned that we are in very very big need of parking in that area. So this delays the parking by at least a month. >> Yes. >> Okay. Are you all comfortable deferring
it then? >> Why was the why was the item deferred? >> I don't know. >> No. Um please nothing from the audience please. Okay. So I I want to get a very very clear picture of this before we start deferring anything because this
there had been multiple complaints in that area for parking. So the item that was deferred you said it's coming back next month in some other way. Correct. >> Yes. So, um, but can you clarify for for
the commission and for the public why those things need to be connected or don't need to be connected so that way we can make a good decision here, not just defer because we don't want to vote on it. >> Okay. So the use occupancy agreement is
intentional to be able to bifrocate the green open area from the paved parking area which is used for a public parking area that has a revenue generator in it. The green open space is
just green open space. So the first step is to bifurcate those parcels into two separate pieces. Um the sub lease agreement which was our initial reason for doing that um had to be approved by
FOT first and also by us and then it was sent to um the Jewish Community Center upon their review. They had some edits and some concerns with the agreement as written. Um they would like to consider changing some terms. They want to meet
with us after to see if we could come to a different agreement that is less of a subleasase and more of a donation where we are not subleasasing to them. We are still maintaining the FOT property
um but they would donate the playground. >> Right. But I I don't want to coingle those two things because the the revenue that we generate from that parking um I don't know if you had an opportunity to to confirm how much that is per month. I
had asked for that sent to us. >> I did send it to you. >> You did? Oh, I missed it then. If you can pull that up because missing out, not just obviously we want the additional parking, but we need to be mindful about the loss
revenue as well. So, >> also in the future, we're planning on having or when Miami Day gets around to it, a water taxi, right? >> I'm I'm Yeah, I'm I'm just keeping I I want to make sure that we're tight on
this because any additional uh delays could compound the all of delays and this has been a long time coming to get extra parking there. >> Okay. So the revenue to date for the one lot that we have there from October 1st
this fiscal year to June 3rd is $78,885.97. >> The revenue from last fiscal year was $110,92487. >> And how much how many more parking spaces would this increase? >> Uh we would have 18 additional regular
spaces and two additional handicap spaces. And how many do we have there now? off the top of your head. >> I I know it doesn't double it, right? It's like another All right. But it's a significant enough amount that it it's warranted. Okay.
>> So, before One second. One second. I just want to make sure that we're all clear as to what we're talking about here. Okay. So, go ahead, Commissioner Joseph. >> Yes. Commissioner. Yes. So, um I understand that on the third floor at Gateway Parking lot,
the temple rents spaces, correct? >> Through a parking agree through their zoning approval from a previous commission. Um they purchased a number of spaces. They are actually on the roof. >> How many?
>> Again, sir, I'm 26, I think. >> Okay. Are there any others available? Any other spots available? >> Yes. >> So, >> I mean, it depends. >> So, why don't we allow them to rent more spots? >> If they would like to, we certainly would.
>> Has anyone proposed that? >> Yes. And they do rent it for special events, but this parking is not limited to just the the shul. This is public parking. >> I understand. But most of them will be taken up by shul goers
>> potentially. >> Yes. >> There's also business there. >> Yeah. So I'm not thinking though short term. I'm thinking long term. >> No, I understand that. But there's also a business there that needs parking. That has that has nothing to do with the
right. So that could benefit from that parking. >> Yeah. And I've been there when people are parking there and walking to the restaurant. So yes, even when there's an event at the at the synagogue. >> Sure. So, but I'm just thinking if the
the synagogue is saying they're so pressed for spots, why don't we offer them the more spots at Gateway since there are so many more available? >> That's always available to them. They're aware of those spots. Well, but maybe it
hasn't been presented in this manner at this time for them to accept them and alleviate any pressure for the parking. >> Okay. But again, this is not specific to the synagogue. So, >> yes, I know that. >> Right. Okay. >> But that would also open up more spaces
for the restaurant >> possibly. >> I think people park wherever it's convenient for them. Well, >> so okay. >> Anyone else? Do we have a motion on deferral? >> No, we don't. Not yet. So, >> okay.
>> Uh I I agree with Commissioner Joseph. I think um if if there is a something that alleviates the an immediate problem, if there is one um and we can just do it right and the city manager says it can it's there's no no harm, no foul, I'm
good with deferring as well. >> Okay. So, you're making a motion to defer. >> I'll make the motion. >> Okay. I need a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? I >> no. Okay, >> I'm a no on that just for the record. All right,
next item, please. >> Next item is 9 J. A resolution allowing the mayor and commissioners at each elected officials sole choice and option to enroll and participate in and
receive the same insurance benefits as is available to the city's regular employees, including for a period not to exceed two years at the end of the elected officials respective term of office. >> Okay, Mr. City Manager, >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission, this is an item that we
discussed at a workshop and we're bringing it back to you for approval. It would establish the ability for the elected officials after serving two full terms to participate in the city's health insurance for two years.
>> Okay. Just for clarification, I want to make sure that we understand the the items right the attorney if you can clarify. the the first initial part of it is just memorializing what >> status quo already is that you're conferring upon yourself the benefits that
>> I think since 2010 have been received by elected officials and then there was when we had the discussion there was a component that there was direction to come up with um a gap filler with regards to once an
elected official leaves office to allow them to get on to other insurance. So I believe the consensus was two years. So that's what we were proposing, but again that's all up to you. >> Okay. And just for the members of the of the public or anyone watching, currently the commission receives the option of
participating in the health insurance same as the city staff and has been from since 2010 >> I believe. So the >> okay approximately. All right. Do we have public speakers? >> But that's not for free. >> Wait, I understand. Yes, of course
>> we do. Dana Goldman. >> My name is Dana Goldman. I reside at 308 Point Sienna Island Drive in Sunny Isles Beach. And I just want to say a quick support for this initiative. I think it very well memorializes something that is
a well uh needed uh benefit for elected officials and they provide tremendous service. uh the ones that that uh provide that service for two consecutive terms and um they work hard and
contribute a lot and this is a finite uh uh there are finite parameters to this and it's a it's a very welcome uh initiative and I'm happy to support that. >> Thank you. Any other speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> All right, I'll take comments. Go ahead,
Commissioner Joseph. I'm uh looking for a definition of a full turn. >> Yes, that's right. This was um during the the agenda review that question was asked, >> right? Um I think in our conversations before we had talked about the appointed
less of a full term but Merced you had quoted that section of the uh back on Tuesday the uh obviously if as we discussed Commissioner Joseph um if it's an appointed unexpired term that wouldn't
count as a term but the question you posed to me before the meeting which we needed to check uh we need to check is if In your case, you were elected to an unexpired term, whether that counts as a term or not. >> Right. And does it have to be the entire term?
>> The way that it's written now, the resolution is a full both two full uninterrupted elected term. >> So if you're one day short of the term, then you're not eligible. >> That was the direction I got from the city manager.
>> Okay, I understand. All right. >> So nobody quits. So no one can write the middle >> and in that regard then it would allow me to run again. >> No, no, no. You would be eligible to use the insurance. >> No, he cannot. >> Yes, he can because it's a full term for
him. >> No, it's not. They need to clarify that >> for specifically for um anyone that has the three years as a full term. they were elected to a term and they they
can't add an extra year. So, is that considered a full term or not? >> What Jerry and Fabola have are full terms because because you could if it weren't then and that's what he's saying. Hold on a second. >> If it weren't then he would be able to
run for for commissioner again. Yes. >> But but but he but he >> there there's language in our charter. Hold on, please. >> Yes. there there's there's language in our charter that defines and I remember looking at it uh some time ago uh and
you you guys are you know are well within that it's it's like when you were in that two and a half it's like around that two-year mark that it gets fuzzy but if you're not able to to run for that seat again um it's because that counts as a full term and and that's the
position that you're in. >> Right. That was my question during the agenda review. So, are we including something like that as a full term? >> C23, right? >> Section C23 C, >> right? >> And will end at midnight of the day
before the commencement term, whether or not it is actually completed except that a vacancy being filled for less than two years remaining in the filling of that term shall not be counted as a term under this section. >> So, it counts. So if you get elected to
to fill in for more than two years, >> then that counts as a full term according to our charter. >> Okay. So then for health re health reasons as well, health insurance reasons, >> then it's a full term. >> I would think so. I mean that's a discussion we're having, but I would I would say so.
>> But you can't have it both ways. So it has to be determined. >> I agree with that, >> Mr. City Attorney. both ways is what's the other way I know what both ways >> what commissioner Joseph is saying that is if you cannot run for a third term
because the his would not be considered a full term under this >> a full term >> exactly that's what he's saying he's if it's a full term then it's a full term for all >> purposes correct >> but I want to make sure that that's what's in the resolution
>> don't give me the health insurance and I'll run again that the the the resolution definitely ly talks about a full term as to whether what a full term is is dictated. >> Well, you can say right you can say as as set forth in C231. >> We can ask that language.
>> Okay. All right. Anyone else? >> Yes. >> Go ahead. >> So I want to be very precise. Okay. Because the public opposition when we are spending their money on ourself.
This resolution will have taxpayers pay for the health insurance for two years after elected officials are no longer in office. >> No time that >> I heard them suggest that we have to do
this to follow the law, but we don't. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. I did not say that. >> No, no, no. You're interrupting me. >> No, no, no, no, no. Wait a second. Wait a second. >> I'm being interrupt. I'm reading it. Wait a second. Commissioner Stuison, I want to make sure that the record is clear. Let the city attorney clear. >> You're not required to confer upon
yourself benefits after you leave office. Simply what you have the status quo since 2010. That's what I stated. I'm not saying that you are required to give yourself insurance after you leave office. Absolutely not. >> I asked in the last commission meeting if we were breaking the law several
times with the status quo and your answer was yes. with the stat with the status quo. You are receiving insurance that has not been conferred upon yourself. So, you need to formalize that. But that doesn't talk about insurance after your term. >> Those are two separate things.
>> Well, and I asked specifically if we were breaking the law many times. I'm going to ask again the status quo that we have right now. Are we or we are not breaking the law? >> You've been receiving benefits since 2010. >> It's a yes or no question. >> It's not a yes or no question. >> Yes, it is. >> No, it's not. >> Well, it is. It's your fluid
interpretation as always. >> So, I'm going to read here the memorandum of 2009. >> You need to memorialize. You have to confer upon yourself the benefits you received. The city manager can't do it. The the the city manager back in the day in 2010 couldn't do it. You have to confer that upon yourself.
>> That that again is your interpretation. October 29, 2009. And it says in 2007 the city was audited by the IRS, the Internal Revenue Service, and one of the stipulations effective January 1st, 2008
was that the salary of elected officials salary be s subject to all applicable federal income taxes. Moving on. This information was only recently learned
after lengthy discussions with Florida retirement system representative. Nothing to do with insura. We are talking about FRS. FRS has recommended that the city comply simply including the elected officials
in the next monthly report. We are talking about the Florida retirement system. It doesn't make any allegation to health insurance. The annualized cost for the city is 7,000 whatever whatever.
And the elected officials will eligible for the same benefits and subject to the same requirement as regular city employees. >> Yeah. >> Moving on. Employees. Moving on. It says propose propose next steps meet with the
elected officials. So if there is any interest in enrolling the city in the elected official class of FRS and approve a resolution for FRS at the November or December commission meeting. This is extremely selfserving.
I'm embarrassed to even be having this discussion right now because for the time being we have three elected officials that are going to be out of office this November and right now they are trying to codify
to continue receiving health insurance for the next two years on your dime and my dime because I'm a resident of Sonia speech. So to when we are not long longer working you are going to continue
paying for our family health insurance. So my question is very simple >> and I said I were going to recuse myself from >> to the city manager. >> According to the law okay Florida constitution article 7 number 10 public
money may be spent only for a public municipal purpose. What is the municipal purpose of paying the health insurance of the families of elected officials that when they are no
longer in office for the next 24 months? It's a very simple question about municipal purpose. >> Can I answer that? >> Uh please go ahead. >> The attorney Florida attorney general. Several Florida attorney generals have app that is absolutely permissible for you to receive benefits.
>> We may we don't must. And I I have your answers here. So he says >> you're going to say that it require the city to pay for a former official's insurance. >> Article 7 doesn't apply in this case. >> It doesn't say you have to. >> Article seven does not apply in this case. >> No, you must. So this is a choice. We
are choosing to make the people pay pay for us when we are not longer in in in in office. So I I really wanted to see what is the municipal purpose. That's my question is very simple. >> Okay. for for clarification. Uh again,
these are two separate things. The current since 2010, the members of whomever was sitting up here on the deis had the option of using the city health insurance. Some did, some didn't. That's since 2010. It was recently realized
that it was never put in in a resolution. So this was a cleanup in order to say if members of the commission are going to continue to receive health insurance it needs to be resolved. In addition to that and this is the secondary thing is there would be
an additional benefit if an elected official wanted to use it after leaving office where they can continue using the insurance for themselves as I understand not their families themselves they can pay for their families for an additional two years. So those are two separate
things. One thing is the status quo that's been happening since 2010 and the second thing is secondary and additional >> there's another one issue of us >> it is so it is but I want to give someone else an opportunity to speak please that has not yet
>> you've spoken so uh commissioner llama did you want to add anything you go ahead >> so first of all I want to just clarify a couple things or correct a couple things that were said this is not for our families I don't know where you get that information from and additional
discussion one at a time please >> but you will have to >> yes no >> okay so it it just applies to the elected official and it has a cap of two years >> correct
>> okay so it is very clear I mean and this is not something out of the ordinary either because other cities have similar type of policies some cities don't some cities do So, I mean, you're making it seem as if the residents are going to be
paying endless amounts of money, and this is an opportunity that's being given to other people that are going to run and become elected officials as well. And I think just like um ex- Mayor uh Goldman said, you know, I think it's good to give these elected officials a
gap. Okay? So, you know, when we get back to, let's say, our normal lives, we could, you know, have some time to adjust and and look for other uh options when it comes to health insurance. >> Okay. Vice Mayor, do you want to add
anything? >> Uh, only that the the memo being referred to is is FRS and you know, it it has nothing to do with insurance. I agree with that. It has this is FRS. It's it's doesn't apply. It's not for families. This is not codifying. We we went over all of this already,
>> right? Okay. >> Just to be clear. So, under chapter 112, your employees that retire that actually retire, you were required under the Florida law to provide them the insurance, continuing insurance at the same uh uh intermix with your other
employees so they get the benefit of the lower rate. >> And how long is that for? as continuously for your retired employees. Those that fit the definition of a retired employee >> that's in the statute. >> It's not how many years.
>> All right. Could we just It's >> I'd like I'd like we need to maintain decorum up here. So we have >> Commissioner Stew makes sense. >> Mr. Let the city attorney finish what he's saying. So under Florida law under
chapter 112 you're required for your retired employees as defined by Florida law to continue their health insurance if they so opt to do that >> for lives. >> Yes. >> We let attorney finish >> have other options. >> Right. Under chapter 166. You have the
authority to extend that to other employees that are not deemed retirees because it's not prohibited by state law. Okay? You are allowed to do that. In fact, you did it before for your city attorney for many, many years, right? Um, this is the same thing. You
have the authority under 166 to do that if you want to. Fair point with municipal purpose. You need to decide what that municipal purpose is. No doubt about that. But it is not prohibited for you under your home rule powers to go ahead and confer that upon yourselves
because specifically it's not prohibited under 112. And it's consistent with the fact that for your other employees that are retired, you have to provide them by law and you can extend that to others if you so wish, which you've done in the past. >> Okay. So, how about another question? Go
ahead. >> Okay. So, I know personally former employees from the city that were invited to the fourth floor just to realize that they were being forced to resign.
So when any of our employees, let's say a police officer, a lady police officer, she is pregnant and she's forced to resign. Are we going to give them the courtesy of two years of health insurance?
Yes or no? Is that for other employees or politicians? We are a special class that we have to have a special treatment because we cannot retire. We have a specific terms for a reason. So retiring
benefits does not apply for us. That stat does not apply to us. And like you said, that stat imply that we can do it, that we are not prohibited to do it, not that we have to do it. However, my question remain the same. So, a police
officer that is pregnant and he gets fired, are we giving that police officer two more years of courtesy um insurance? >> Yes or no? >> Not if you fire an employee. Why would you give benefits to someone you fire? >> I'm asking that to city manager. City
manager, can you please answer that? >> Go ahead, Mr. City Manager. When an employee is fired, do they retain benefits? >> Not if they're terminated. No. If they ret if they if they resign voluntarily
if an employee resigns do they maintain benefits? >> They may be able to under COBRA. >> Okay. They may >> Cobra is Cobra is just a carryover expensive carryover. >> Yeah. Okay. So we are not paying the insurance of that police officer that
was forced to resign like we do in the fourth floor. So again this is about choices sadly this is about right and wrong. Uh I myself do uh due to my current family situation understand very
well the need of health insurance. I have a family member with a very bad um uh condition. So I get it. However this is not about each of us personally. This is about
right and wrong. These were not the rules of engagement. We are in this and the people that is voting for this, they're going to benefit for this immediately. If we wanted to do that and this is so important to do, so none of
us should be allegible to receive this benefit and then we can be making a decision that it will make sense. But right now this is a goodbye gift that we are giving to ourself. And again this is totally wrong. That's what people
doesn't don't don't trust government anymore. If completely self-s serving if the idea like you claim is just to clean up the status quo. That option of two more years should not even be there. And
if we want to do that as a perk for the people to run for office, the proper way because it's people's money should be put in a referendum and we allow the people to say, you know what, elected official have a very hard job. Maybe they should not be making 10 or $20,000
a year. Maybe they have to be making 50. Maybe they should be having better benefits. that is up to the people not to us to increase our salaries or to start giving us perks that they are not there right now. So this is morally
reprehensible. This is completely wrong and in the spirit of being fair then none of us should be able to um benefit from this. >> Okay. Anyone else?
All right. Um, I'll take a motion on the item. >> So moved. >> I need a second. >> Second. >> May I have a roll call, Mayor? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Joseph, >> I I defer my vote. >> You can't.
>> Can't. I >> Well, call me last, please. >> Commissioner Joseph, you need to vote. >> No. Commissioner Cyver. >> Commissioner Lama. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Viscaro. >> Yes.
>> Mayor Sutchen. >> So before I vote, I just want to say that um earlier during our workshop, we had a discussion uh about how in November there's going to be some changes to um all of our tax bills
potentially. And while we are an incredibly healthy city, thank God, and we're doing very well, we um we don't know how that's going to work out after November. So perhaps in past years, I would have been supportive of this item. I think that um given how things may or
likely will change in November, um it's important that we are more uh I guess I it's not about responsibility. I would say be just more conservative. Um, and while I do agree that health insurance for elected officials is absolutely
something that should be allowed, I don't use it. But that doesn't mean that there's a it's a bad thing. Not at all. Um, there are some, you know, things that that elected officials should be able to get. And perhaps, uh, after November, you know, whomever new people
are up here, they may decide that they want to revisit this. But, uh, based on that and what's happening in November, I'm a no. the motion and resolution fails. >> Okay. But say something. >> Commissioner Joseph needed to vote.
>> He voted. >> I did. I >> voted. No. >> Okay. >> May I say something? So I I think the the the purpose of this is not to, you know, shower ourselves with with extra benefits or anything because if we had bad intentions like other cities have
done, we would have raised our our our salaries uh exponentially because what we get paid, I mean, I'm thankful for it, but obviously we cannot earn a living from that. Other cities make a lot less. Other cities don't make anything. Other elected officials don't make anything. So I think it's fair to
give the opportunity to people that have been sitting here for eight years to have that gap, you know, that cushion because now when when let's say they finish their um terms, you know, you need some time to kind of adjust and
whether you're going to go into corporate world or you're going to go into entrepreneurship, you know, at least we have the choice if we want to continue to participate and make use of those two extra years. So, I really do take offense to what
Commissioner Stuan said because we have we sit here and we serve the the people, okay? And um we're here to serve the community to make the community better. And um I don't think this is anything
close to trying to, you know, benefit ourselves. This is just giving us a cushion of two extra years to have health insurance. >> Whether we have that choice, we take it. Whether I go back into like corporate or have insurance offered to me through
another means, fine. >> But I I I really take offense in what you said because it really m paints a picture that we are trying to really grab a lot of money and we're going to raise our salaries from 20,000 a year to
120,000. So, It's No, I'm giving you an example. The way you're >> presenting things. Okay. So, I really take offense with that. >> May I? Yes. >> Yes. Go ahead. >> So, that's your interpretation of my words. Okay. And I never said that specifically. My point was very simple.
Actually, we know, God willing, if we don't die before, we know when we are getting out of office. So, I know that don't unless anything happen, I'm going to be out of office in November 2028. some other people like you guys to November 2026 so we can plan
accordingly because we know the moment that we are going to be stepping out of office and that's why I try to connect this and give an example that somebody who is forced to resign then they are called today to the fourth floor and they go to their home that night knowing
that they don't longer have a job that those people which I personally know that had had those meetings in the fourth floor more than one, two and three. Um those people never had the
opportunity to prepare to get another job, to find another uh insurance, it happened to them overnight. People with children, people with families. So my point is that we adults clearly and we can plan accordingly when we are going
to be out of office and also what is it that we're going to be doing to supplement our income or to get insurance or all of the above. So I was not glad >> I was not trying to offend and insult
anybody. I'm sorry if you feel offended by my words. They were not directed to you or anybody specifically. It's just that this doesn't make sense. This is how government get bonated. You know, you know when you are getting out of office so we can plan accordingly.
That's right. I I think listen I mayor before sorry before just a logistical issue. So >> the resolution was voted down but remember there were two parts. >> Exactly. Yes. Do we need clarification as to whether there's a part about the status quo and
there's a part about the additional two years? >> So, can we split this out? Do we need a motion >> or what we can do is we can bring it back next meeting with just the status quo. >> With the status quo. I Okay. All right. We don't we don't want to do that right now. >> I mean, no. I I'd prefer you have the
language in front. >> All right. Perfect. Okay. Um, I I I want to close this conversation because I think we can go on and on and I um I agree with you, Commissioner Lama, and and Vice Mayor. Um, and my uh I I was
supportive of this item, but but given everything else, it just uh it it it didn't it started not making sense to me. And I um I can appreciate Commissioner Stewen and what you're saying. I think that um had you said what you just said now earlier it would have landed a little bit um differently.
Okay. Um next item please. >> Next item is the add-on. >> Seeing you would change your vote. >> No. >> Okay. The next item is item 9K,
which is a resolution adopting the 202520 through 2030 Miami Date County local mitigation strategy. >> Okay. Manager, >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission, this is exactly as it says.
It adopts the Dade County local mitigate local mitigation strategy. >> Okay. Do we have public speakers? >> No, ma'am. >> All right. Any comments from the commission? >> No. >> I'll take a motion, please. >> Motion. >> Need a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I.
>> All right. Now we're on to That's it for add-ons. Correct. >> Correct. >> Citizens forum. Mauricio, do we have public speakers? >> We do. >> All right. >> Vitali Falovich. >> Okay. >> Just make sure we have the clock on,
please. Thank you. Hi, Vitali. My name is Pakist 80 Southwest 167 Terrace Palmet Bay. Uh as coming here as a visitor and conducting the business here, one of the things is that you guys
coming up on the budget uh 206 to 27. You know, one of the things is with things that going on with the home taxes and things like that. I'm always wondering how our police department is going to be supported. One of the things is I'm not sure how much you got to get
money out of a traffic tickets yet. If you go to inter coastal uh bridge, I guarantee you that you can use that budget the writing the tickets to able to support uh police department. One of the reasons why because in several
locations I observe somebody traveling a lot faster than they should be traveling. Another thing is that I don't know whoever is going to get elected, but they're going to have a hard time to do the great job that you guys are doing. And to me, that's very important because as coming up here at night or
coming up here in the daytime, it doesn't really matter. You notice things that going on and you know that comes with a city manager and administration. when you guys been there, when you guys don't get real or something happened, I want you to look at yourself and say,
you know what, I did a great job as a visitor comes in here very often. I think you guys do amazing job. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Meadows. Good evening, mayors and commissioners. >> Hi,
>> Victor Moss Kaz 18201 Collins Avenue, Sun Als Beach, Florida 3316. I'm the manager of the Trump Royale and I come to you with three basic things for us. At the last commission meeting that I attended, we were talking about the
development right next door to us. And unfortunately, they were not playing nice. 4:00 in the morning, trout from construction taking over the streets, noise affecting a lot of our residents. Not to mention the
debris and dust that's coming up against the building, creating more expenses for our residents as they have to clean their windows and not being able to enjoy their balconies. We would love for the
city manager or the code enforcement to actually help us and if there's a possibility for us to get notice when and if they're going to be doing work at 4:00 in the morning so that we can advise our residents that these things are taking place. We also want to bring
it to your attention that I don't know if you've seen it lately, but a lot of our residents are complaining about beach erosion. And that is something that is affecting us because we've lost a lot of beach in the last 8 to nine months, I would say. And we don't know
if the city commission has actually been briefed on this or there's a plan. And last but not least, the most recent complaints we're getting is about the seaweed. And I don't know if there's also a plan for that as well. So, I do appreciate your time and have a
great evening. >> Thank you. Your your comments um have been noted by the manager and he'll be in touch with you. Thank you. >> No other speakers, M. >> All right. Uh ladies, gentlemen, thank you very much. On meeting a journal. Part: 2
All right. Good afternoon everyone. Thanks for your patience. It is 1:39. Calling the meeting to order. Chris >> Commissioner Joseph >> present. >> Commissioner Stet. Vice Mayor Viscara here. >> Mayor Fetchin
>> here. >> We have a quorum. >> Okay, great. Thank you. >> So, we have a couple of changes to the agenda for this afternoon. Before we begin, mayor, uh, the following items have been deferred. 4G, discussion
regarding the elimination of upland property owner beach event requirements for residents. Item 4 H, which is a Gateway Center rentals discussion. And additional information has been provided for item 4 C which is the save our homes from excessive property taxes bill.
>> Okay. Do we need a vote for this? >> No, we do not. >> All right. Please go ahead. >> So with that, the first item that we will be considering is a special presentations. Item 3A, the public recognition of officer Justin Lado and civilian rescuer Michael Denilo
Centenno. Good afternoon, mayor, commissioners, city manager, distinguished guest, members of our police department and ocean rescue division, and members of our community. Today, we gather to celebrate two
important accomplishments that reflect our AY's commitment to service, professionalism, and the protection of all members of our community. First, I'm proud to announce that both our police department and Ocean Rescue Division have successfully completed
specialized autism awareness and response training through the International Board of Credentiing and Continuing Education Standards. This achievement has earned our agency certification as an autism certified organization. A designation that
demonstrates our dedication to creating a safer, more inclusive, and more understanding environment for individuals with autism and other sensory sensitivities. To receive the certification, our organization must ensure that at
least 80% of our personnel complete the required training. I'm especially proud to report that our agency simply did not meet that standard. We exceeded it. Today, we're proudly saying that 100% of our police department and ocean rescue division
personnel have completed the specialized training. This certification represents far more than a credential. It signifies our commitment to understanding the unique needs, behaviors, and communication styles of individuals with autism.
It equips our personnel with tools necessary to respond effectively, compassionately, and safely during interactions and emergencies. Most importantly, it reinforces the trust between our agency and families we serve. And I would like to do a special thanks to each and every one of you for
constantly supporting all our initiatives and for your passion when it comes to autism. So, the value of this training became strikingly evident during an incident that occurred on May 21st, 2026.
I'd like to call up Officer Justin Lardo and Michael Centino. They can't. So, at approximately 3:45 p.m., Officer Justin Dorado was working the school detail when he was alerted by a passer by that a juvenile ran and
jumped into the inter coastal waterway. Without hesitation, Justin immediately responded to the area of 183rd Street and North Bay Road, where he located a 17-year-old male struggling to stay afloat in the water.
Faced with a rapidly developing emergency, Officer Serado acted decisively. Recognizing that every second mattered, he immediately attempted to rescue the young man from the water. However, given the victim's size and height of the seaw wall, the
rescue presented significant challenges. I'm proud to say at this critical moment, civilian landscaper working nearby, Mr. Michael Denilo Centino observed the situation without hesitation ran to
assist. Working together, both Justin and Michael each took a hold of the juvenile and successfully lifted him from the inter coastal waterway onto dry land. Thanks to their combined strength, determination, and teamwork, the young man was rescued without injury. Once
safely on shore, Officer Lorado utilized the skills and awareness that our autism training emphasizes. He remained calm, reassured the juvenile, and worked to deescalate the situation while requesting fire rescue personnel to respond. Shortly after, the juvenile's father
arrived on scene and explained that his son, who has autism, had run away unexpectedly and ran into the water after spotting an open gate. The outcome of this incident could have been tragic. Instead, because of immediate actions of
Osel Lorardo and the selfless assistance from Mr. Centino, a young life was saved and a family was spared unimaginable heartbreak. Their actions exemplify courage, compassion, teamwork, and unwavering commitment to helping others.
Officer Lorado's rapid response combined with the extraordinary willingness of Mr. Centino to place himself in a challenging situation to assist a stranger reflects the very best of public service and community partnership. This incident serves as a powerful
reminder of why we specialized autism training is so important. Understanding how individuals with autism may react in stressful situations enables first responders to provide safer, more effective care during critical moments. This afternoon, we celebrate both the
achievement of becoming a fully autism certified agency and the heroic actions of two individuals who responds embody the purpose behind that training. Please join me in congratulating our police department and our ocean rescue unit on
achieving autism certification and in recognizing both Officer Justin Lorardo and Mr. Michael Centino for their outstanding and heroic service to our community. We'll come down and take a picture from here. Tra
cannot see. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. I just want to add that what um and I have a feeling some members of um some of my colleagues are going to want to say something as well. The fact that we are 100% trained is incredible
and that we have members of the community willing to to do whatever it takes to support this community is really really incredible. Just goes to show how closely we all look out for each other. And I want to thank you both. Um, and I want to thank the chief
and and everyone for for everything you do to support the most vulnerable people in our community. Um, those with with autism. Thank you. Anybody want to add anything? >> Well, go ahead.
>> Thank you. So over the years, I know uh Commissioner Viscara and myself, we've uh sponsored uh courses for our police and fire and uh ocean rescue. And uh we're just I just want to add for
myself. I know Jennifer will say something as well that we're very proud of um our departments for the uh work they do and how they've picked up on uh autism training and how it important it is uh for continuing
um training for new officers. Thank you. >> Commissioner, did you want to say anything? No. >> Vice swing. Well done. But I mean, what what else can we say? Uh super proud of you guys. Uh and I love that the training it's it's not just a
credential, but clearly uh everybody did the assignment, right? So, um and then that life was saved and hopefully many others. So, uh thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Next item. Next item is 3B, immediate division
awards. >> Manager, >> mayor, vice mayor, members of the commission. A lot of times with our media department, we only think of social media, but there's many other things that the team does. And it's very
important that when you get recognized by an outside agency, I think it has special significance. So a lot of times our employees are working behind the scenes with media. They're essentially working every scene of
everything that we do. And you're familiar with with all of the team. But they received two awards that I wanted to mention today and then asked them to come up. And this is under Leah's leadership who has done an exceptional
job. In April, the team received second place from the Florida Municipal Communicators Association in the annual annual report category and the award recognized our
city managers report our annual report for 2025 which we have available in the back. So that's significant. And then in May, the team earned second place in a national
award for the National Association of Government Communicators for our calendar for the city's 2026 desktop calendar. So I'd like for them to come up and take a picture and we want to thank them and recognize them
for what they did. Thank you. You want us to come down or stay up here? No, >> let's go down there. Not any of them. >> I got the message. Come to say hi to She never see me. Think I She
perist. the not the s I left sold him. Uh what's going on here? This >> congratulations again. Um Mara, before we go to the discussion items, can you please remind um everyone how the
comments will work? Uh public comment. >> Yes. So at the beginning with the new process that the commission has implemented, public comments are accepted now at commission workshops. They're at the beginning of the meeting before any item is called. in this case
for today. It's my fault. I'll take responsibility for that. I didn't call for public comment. However, we did receive one just uh a little bit ago, but the co the public comments are limited to any item that's listed on the agenda. It's different from the 6:30
where we also have public comments for each item listed, but in addition to that, we have a dedicated section that's for um general comments from the for the public. So we have a public speaker, Vitali Faulovich.
>> Okay. >> Atali 980 Southwest 167 Para Bay, Florida. One of the things this was a earlier was a perfect example how amazing Sam Beach Police Department is. One of the best I think one of the
best police chiefs that we have. I'm going to say South Florida. Yeah. And that depends on because we have amazing city management. There's we have amazing administration. And if you're a citizen and you live here and you get to vote in November, there's a perfect example of
who you want sitting here. Nobody else. And I think that's amazing that you guys do a great job. Thank you. >> Thank you, Vitali. I'm sorry the rest weren't here, but the chief heard you, so that's he he'll let them know, but I think they all know how much you love
them. So, uh, no, no other public comment. No other public comment is closed. All right. Uh, on to 4 A, please. >> 4 A is a discussion item regarding the renovations to Town Center Park. >> Okay. Thank you,
>> Honorable Manager. >> Oops. Honorable mayor, Vice Mayor, Commission, um, back in April, we presented to you the schematic design for Town Center Park. You had several comments. The team went back, did some renovations, and we have Sarah Linduchi here today to present you with the
updated version. >> Hi. Hi. Thank you. Thanks for having me. >> Okay. So, as Susan mentioned, we were here in April. We heard some concerns and we wanted to present the new design to the team. on the screen here is just some existing
photos just to refresh your memory. We are discussing Town Center Park. Most >> you can please just be closer to the better. Yeah, we sure that everyone hears great. Thank you. >> So Town Center Park, I know most of you know it up here, but for those in the audience that don't know, it's on
Collins Avenue in between 174th and 172nd. It's a very highly visited park and here's some photos of it. This is the location and as you can see from the the dashed line surrounding the playground, there is a 10 minute walk
radius. So, it's very visited by pedestrians, a lot of residential within this area. And another significant thing to note is on the west side of of the park, it is a conservation area. You can see it in gray there.
Some more existing photos which we already went through this site. This is showing just a site analysis. Some important things to note here is the building location is on the west side with the purple star. There's the playground is on the south side with
an open lawn to the north. There's an existing gazebo and shade structure as well at the playground. As you move further north and to the west was the meditation garden that was completed back in 2024. There's an existing parking lot with
about 13 spaces. And some constraints of this area is we are very close to Collins. There is a a wind tunnel that comes off of the ocean there. So providing that uh noise buffer from Collins and also to the north where the residential units are is very
important for the new design. Here's some character imagery that has inspired the the new concept design. One of the most important things here is we want to incorporate some innovative play structures. Move away from the post
and platform playgrounds that you see a lot today. Also within these playgrounds, you see a lot of natural shade elements. um large palm trees and and native fus trees which help shade these areas and and
create a very enjoyable space for children and adults. We know that swings are very important at this park. There's to date about eight swings there now today. So, we definitely want to incorporate those plus more in the new renovation. Swings
do take up a lot of space, a lot of usable space in a playground, about 30 linear feet within that safety zone. So, we think it would be cool to incorporate some interactive swings like you see in the center there with the the hammock swings
where you can have kids, multiple kids on one swing or you can swing with your children's, adults can use them. So, more basket type innovative swings would be great to see here. Definitely keeping the typical bucket seats and the ADA
accessible swings are are going to be important as well. Another thing that we heard is shade is very important and we know that the shade fabrics are not ideal because they do have to come down in storms. They get torn easily. So incorporating some more
permanent shade structures like you see in the top right corner is desired. And I also wanted to point out some additional seating like the bench swings that you see on the bottom right hand corner there. To refresh everybody's memory, back in
April, this is the concept that was presented. Some of the major concerns we heard were the building placement not being such a prominent location on Collins Avenue. So, we'll I'll show you how we address that in a minute. Another concern we heard was the picnic area to
the north. Making sure that we use as much space for play as we can and not creating such a large picnic seating area was desired. We also heard that the exercise equipment which was on number 11 here,
it was desired to be closer to the meditation garden. Showing more natural shade and permanent shade structures was also important. So with this new design here, you can see the building placement in number five. It moved further west a little bit
closer to where the existing building is. So that will be good for future utilities. They'll be in that area which will help with cost. The parking lot stayed the same. It was 13 spaces existing. We're adding 10 to
that to create more parking there. And the building was pushed a little bit away from the parking lot to create a buffer between the parking lot zone and the fenced in area around the playground. And coming off of the building structure, it's not just a
restroom facility, which we know is needed. They they are increasing the number of restrooms there, but creating an architectural shade element over this restroom to create a plaza space where you can have movable furniture that interconnects with the playground is
what we're showing there on number six, which leads to the an iconic specimen with integral bench seating around it. and in number seven there. So, you can interact with the plaza space around the building, but you can also have seating
all throughout the playground there. And to play off of that oval and architectural elements with the shade around the building, you can see we're incorporating some more permanent shade structures with number 12 there, which was similar to the photo I showed
earlier. Keeping that oval design and having a fun bright yellow color to play off of the Sunny Isles logo is the desire there. And in this space, we are incorporating additional landscape areas that will
have bench seating under that so the parents can view the playground from all angles. And there'll be space for trees and palms as well to help with shade. We also moved the exercise equipment up closer to the meditation garden which is
shown in number 13. There'll be a landscape buffer and those misters at number 15 separating those two spaces. The open lawn remained. And then we revised the plaza that at the southeast corner as
you enter the playground, creating a nice um area there to create signage or some seating as a stopping point and then a gateway entry into the park at number 12 with another shade structure there to just tie it all in
together. And as you enter along that prominade there, some bench seating to the left and then the playgrounds over on the right hand side. It's also hard to tell from this image because there's a lot of landscape there. But the desire along Collins
where you're seeing number 23 is to create a 3 to 4 foot landscape burn with various heights to help with that wind tunnel. So the wind goes up and over instead of through the playground there. I think that's all the changes that we mentioned. If you are entering the
playground for for the meditation garden only, there's a couple of ways to get there. If you're coming by foot, the north entrance at number two, that gate will lead you as a more direct path to the to the meditation garden without having to go through the playground. You
can easily get to the exercise equipment there as well or through the parking lot on the south. We created a another gate at the west side on the west side of the building where you can directly access that uh area from the parking lot.
>> May I ask a quick question? >> Of course. >> The medit is that number 13? The meditation garden. >> The meditation garden is number 18 actually. The existing meditation garden all the way to the left. Can I point with this? The pointer doesn't work very well, but
you see the tent on the top that the meditation garden is that whole area in the left above the table. >> Okay, >> you have it. >> It was it is >> okay. Got it. >> Number 13 is the workout. >> I had zoomed in too much and it was not not in my Okay, that >> Yes, it's a little bit off the page.
Yep. 13 is the exercise. That's correct. I'm here for any other questions that we need or if I >> just one other point to note um the misters remained. There was some talk about um more water play but as we discussed before we're trying to not have every park be the same and to make
a meaningful water play area. Um we would be looking to do that at Heritage Park. So that is not incorporated in this plan. >> Okay. Does anyone else have questions? >> No. >> No. No, >> I have a question. Hold on. So, um, that
oval in the middle, I see that there's shrubbery. So, my my question is, is all the shading going to come from from trees or do we are we going to have some some canopies somewhere? >> It'll a lot of it will be shade. And then where you see number 12, those um
like yellow >> those are canopies. >> Those are canopies. Yeah. >> Okay, I see. Oh, shade structures. Yeah, I see that. 12. Okay, got it. All right. Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> The size of those canopies is that it is it to size what we're seeing here. How
big are they going to be? The can the yellow canopy? >> This is to scale. >> To scale. It is. >> Yeah, it is to scale. Yes. >> All right. So, I I have a question regarding the current canopy or or what are we doing with that? Are we going to be replacing it or are we waiting for this? >> No, no, no. We're replacing it. It's
been on order. Um, we had to have a whole new one because it ripped and it is I believe I saw an email yesterday that it's two weeks out and uh installation is being scheduled >> and once it's installed or we're going to have to take it down because of hurricane season. >> Not we don't take it down for hurricane
season but if we know that a storm is coming then we do remove it to protect it. >> All right. I just wanted to get clarification for anyone listening because I know that's been a hot topic. Okay. >> Um yeah I this is this is great. I mean, I I did want to see water, but I think
that's as it gets hotter, you just want to see water everywhere, >> but um water and shade. Thank you. Yes. >> Oh, I do have one question. >> Go ahead. >> So, do we have any option for having any water sprays? >> Yeah, that's what we're showing in 15
there. >> Yeah. >> And there's a there's an image on the >> right >> character imagery something similar to that. >> Quite helpful. >> Yeah. something that will be arch architectural and sculptural, >> right? >> So, it'll be it'll be aesthetically
pleasing to the eye even without the water being on. So, >> Right. >> Mhm. >> Oh, >> Sarah, can you just go back a couple pages? >> I was talking about cooling spray, you know, >> misters. >> Misters. >> Yes, that's what she said. >> Have misters.
>> Yes. Yep. A number 15 there. >> Okay, great. >> Commissioner Longman, did you have a question? >> Yeah, I have a question. So with the exercise area, are we still looking to keep the the bars and the similar setup we have now, you know, with the that
green those green bars? And >> so the discussion was to eliminate the stations that are throughout the station and to keep like, >> you know, the the typical workout equipment in the workout area. >> Yes. Okay, perfect.
>> Anyone else? And the the pull-up bars are are staying. >> Yes. Well, they're not staying. We'll have new ones, but >> well, one keep there will be pull-up bars. >> Okay. >> If that's what's important. >> And what the Yes. >> What's the timeline? Favorite question.
>> So, if we have approval today, >> yes. >> Um, then they will go back and work on construction draw, you know, the next phase of drawing so that we can go out to bid. >> Okay. Um, bidding is going to take I don't know how long it'll take you to get plans good enough to bid, but the
bidding process alone is going to take a good 3 months, 8 to 12 weeks. >> Usually, >> we can't speed that up anymore, I'm assuming. >> They're complex plans. Um,
>> no, I know. I think that everyone on this commission is uh very eager to get this done as soon as possible because it's a long time coming. So, um, we will make it a priority. Yes. >> Okay. >> I'd rather see the sports park done. >> All right. Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you.
>> Okay. >> Thank you, Sarah. >> I just have to return a phone. >> All right. Next item. >> The next item on the agenda is 4B, the use of AI policy discussion. >> Okay. This is my item. And because this
is somewhat um complicated, I I'm going to read the memo on the record and then hopefully we could have a um nice discussion on this. All right. So this item is intended to give the city manager and the city attorney direction to draft proposed policies and
procedures as well as a code amendment in chapter 74 for disclosing the use of AI by city staff, elected officials and persons presenting and submitting information to the city commission particularly but not limited to quasly
judicial proceedings. The use of AI has become common and prevalent in all levels of society include including entertainment, social media, academia, business law and government. Apart from its benefits, the increasing use of AI res raises important concerns regarding
potential misinformation and disinformation, reliability, data privacy, transparency, plagiarism, intellectual property, and proper identification of source materials and data. These concerns are equally critical in local government, especially when decisions are made administratively
by the city manager and staff and legislatively and quasi judicially by the city commission. Decisions which directly impact the residents of the city of Sunny Als Beach. Notably, the Florida League of Cities has created an AI content hub and resources which is designed to speci
specifically for Florida cities municipal leaders with practical guidance, real world examples and resources that help them understand AI, evaluate its risks and opportunities, and adopt tools responsibly, all while aligning with Florida's unique legal and operational considerations. The need for
policies and regulations require the disclosure of the use of AI to mitigate risks, ensure accuracy, transparency, and prevent decisions based upon inaccurate, unreliable, or false information and facts. For example, in
addition to strict policies instituted in most levels of academia, in May of 2026, the Florida Supreme Court issued modifications to its rules of judicial administration in re amendments to Florida rule of general practice and judicial administration 2.515
regarding AI disclosure requirements. Although the flooring preempts similar local administrative orders in lower courts, it is notable that prior to the Supreme Court's action, the chief judge of the 11th judicial circuit in and for Miami Day County issued an administrative order regarding an
entitled use of artificial intelligence in court filings by attorneys and self-represented litigants disclosure of use of generative artificial intelligence and the chief judge of the seventh judicial circuit in for Broward County simultaneously issued an administrative order regarding
an entitled use of AI in court filings. These efforts by the judiciary demonstrate the incre increasing need for disclosure of the use of AI in materials and work products submitted for any consideration. Several jurisdictions such as Miami Day County,
San Jose, uh California, Seattle, Washington, Richmond, Virginia, and the state of Pennsylvania have all instituted policies regarding the use of AI. The city of Sunny Al's Beach is no exception to the risks of AI and should at the very least institute policies and procedures requiring the disclosure of
the use of AI by city staff elected officials and any person or entity submitting or presenting information, evidence or any documentation or data to the city commission particularly but not limited to its quasi judicial capacity. Such AI policies should also be recommended to the city manager for
inclusion in his internal policies and procedure applicable to city staff. Um I think that we all can agree that AI is here to stay and anyone who believes that the staff in in city government or
anywhere else is not using AI is just ignoring the facts. Everyone is using it, not just kids to cheat, but uh everyone. So I think that this this this came up I think last year. I believe Commissioner Stuerson and I were were
had this first discussion but uh that was for something different but the the reality is is that we need to have an honest conversation about this because if we are especially for quasi judicial but I think it's for everything are using AI us personally or someone
presenting in front of us using AI it is imperative that we uh ask them to disclose that because we need to make sure that the sources for for that are um made known. So because as as we know AI can look uh very real. That's the
whole point. And um it's, you know, it's a pretty serious thing. So um I'd like to hear from my colleagues what you all think about it, what your thoughts are on the policy, um and just uh your general feedback. So >> So
>> go ahead, Mr. So the is the idea to try to limit it within the city's use? >> I think you can't limit it. I think that that would be you can't stop people from using it. We we know that people are using it uh to to get their work done
faster. It's more about having a polic so the city manager would set a policy for staff. >> Okay. >> Um and then you know that policy would be just the same as any you know any policy that's in place. You're expected to follow it. So that means limiting it for specific use. Obviously that'll be
part of it but um it's more so for us here on the deis so that we know when someone's presenting something using AI um so someone can come in front of us and they could lie obviously but the idea is they need to disclose if they used AI for any of their presentation
and then if we personally use it for anything that we create we should disclose that as well so that people can check the source. >> Okay. So, I know I was personally attacked using AI during my last election. >> No, this isn't for elections. >> Well,
if there's any way to for the city, as long as we're making some type of policy, I mean, still our candidates candidates are Sunny Isles candidates. they should be able to come under some policy that we have
regarding uh the use of AI, one candidate against another because no matter what the public, the voters, the residents are deceived and we have as long as we're making some policy, we
should try to protect the residents um against misinformation. Yeah, I would I personally would agree with that, but I don't think we have uh and I see the city attorney already moving his microphone. I I don't believe we have the perview to do that. Um >> yeah, you don't have jurisdiction over
um even though they run for office for the city, we have no jurisdiction over the elections or campaigning or anything like that that deals strictly with the Florida Commission on >> So within the the use of AI within the city limits. >> No, you have no jurisdiction over that.
It's a first amendment issue. As the mayor indicated, you can't prevent someone from using AI. And so a lot of the policies that have come out on the judicial side and for attorneys, there's no prohibition for use. It's disclosure. Disclosure is important because um you
just need to be aware of what's before you. Just like any other paper you would create, you you need to source this correctly. There's plagiarism issues. There's reliability issues. Uh um I know as us for attorneys I as a CL you as my client if I use AI I have to disclose it
to you under the Florida bar rules uh and now under the court rules as well. And it's also uh the policies typically you know you're responsible if you're going to use AI you're responsible for what it says. So if you're going to tell your superior that A, B, and C because
you know you got that from AI. Um if it's wrong it's on you, right? So it's just establishing those types of policies so your staff others can know and and as you indicated with quasi judicial you're making some pretty
important decisions especially in quasi judicial whether it deals with development or anything else. So the information you're provided with just as if you have an expert that comes to present to you uh something regarding a development whether it be a traffic engineer or anyone else those folks have to be qualified right so you have a
right to qualify those people and saying okay I I take your opinion with a grain of salt I need to know what your qualifications are same thing with AI if you have a resident or someone coming to you with a presentation that has information in it that they did not generate you need you have the right to
qualify the fact that Okay, this is from AI, so we need to double check and make sure that those sources are correct and the information is correct. I don't recall what it's actually called, but there's a type of AI. I don't know if it's adaptive or where it learns from
its users, right? So, it could be learning wrong information as well. So that's why I know that I know from the school system that they've been doing it probably before anyone else because of the students. And then uh certainly the judiciary now has stepped up. This the
policies you referenced just came out in May of this year. Uh and then the Supreme Court stepped in last to try to make it a little bit more consistent throughout all the the various circuits throughout the state. But um it's it's not a prohibition of AI. It's a
disclosure mostly. So if someone was to come and present something that was created by AI and did not disclose it and we voted on it based on that uh assumption that this was expert information from that person that doesn't protect us. Now you do have
already a provision in your code actually in your charter I believe where if not on AI or inaccuracy but if if someone come right now if someone comes to you and gives you patently false information and says this is true and it's patently false it makes the item
you voted on voidable under your code and chart right >> so similarly with AI if someone not just because they didn't disclose it was AI >> I see >> but if it turns out that it's false Um um the AI disclosure is kind of like a
little red flag for you to just pay particularly close attention to the information. It's an added tool to ensure accuracy just like an expert who's qualified can come up to the to the day and pen lie. >> There's no protection against that until you find out it is and then you have to
potential recourse of making something voidable. It would be the same with AI. >> Okay. I go commissioner long. >> Yeah. So I mean I there's no federal laws um regulating AI right now. I
wonder if the state of Florida has any laws that regulate AI. It they're not law a lot of them are administrative policies. So like for example the state of Pennsylvania >> typically these types of things come out as administrative policies.
>> Yeah. Um and usually at least here in Florida I believe it's per agency. Um typically the agent the various agencies will develop their own policies. Um there's no statute necessarily on it. I don't know that they're necessarily
codified in any state uh because it it is a huge first amendment issue. Um but typically it's through administrative policies by various yeah >> agencies and there may be um for example the state department may have a pie I haven't looked but the state department
federal state department may have a policy on the use of AI same with the defense department each agency probably has some form of administrative not necessarily law but some form of administrative uh regulations on at least disclosure. Yeah, >> because my question is okay so are we
looking to regulate the use of AI when you're generating content whether it's a report whether it's pictures video etc because right now we use AI for like search is not done through Google anymore it's really done through AI so
are we going to have to disclose whether we take a whole bunch of information and format it through AI instead of going to Excel you could just use chat GPT or claw to format something >> depending on how the policy is uh um a
bill, you know. So, >> right, you're you're not regulating the use of it. You're just requiring the disclosure of it. You are going to prepare a final again depending on what policies you all decide to come up with. But uh generally if you are going to
compile information and put it in an engine for the lack of a better term a chat chat GPT or whatever else to compile it for you um or even write it for you there should be some disclosure that the use that there was a use of AI um so again just to so you know if
someone hands something to you they used AI okay you may want to double check it a little bit more >> and that's up to you but at least it gives you that opportunity to add that extra extra layer of and and I'll give a a quick war story, but one of the one of
the reasons why the the judiciary stepped up. There was a case in I want to say Pennsylvania, but uh I won't name the firm because it's a national firm and I don't want to disparage anyone, but an attorney, young attorney, decided to use AI in the briefs and said, "I need cases that say this, this, and
that." >> Lo and behold, there were cases that said this and that. And when it got to the court, the opposing council said, "By the way, that's great. those cases don't exist. >> They had citations. They had exactly what needed to be said, but they weren't real. So, obviously, that attorney
probably lost his job. But again, I'm not saying that, you know, sometimes it's completely unintentional, but it adds that little asterisk to just maybe double check. I I guess my point is that whether we are aware of it or not, we're we're using AI for almost everything
right now because you go on Google and it's really like Gemini that's giving you kind of like a summary of whatever search you're looking for. Like you don't click on links anymore. You just look at the summary that you know this Google Gemini is giving you and >> Right. But if you rely on that and
you're going to present it to a governing body that's going to make a decision million >> basically everything. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I think like if you're if you were to take let's say you know bills certain bills that are like 200 pages >> and you were going to use it to summarize it to have a discussion.
>> I don't know if you need to tell everyone you but if you wrote something that then you shared with that's my question whether you're generating something or you're using it to summarize or to format information whatever. >> I think that you know there's a difference and I'll give an example
here. Sorry, >> I won't name anybody because there was nothing absolutely nothing done wrong. >> But someone wrote a letter here that we had advised should be written and it was written and it was so well written. I had to compliment the employee and say that is really well written. Good job.
And to his or her credit they said I used GPT which is great. That's fine. It was an excellent letter. It said exactly what it needed to be said. There was nothing wrong with it and it actually generated the response exactly the response we wanted. But it was good to know because had he been he him or her
been my employee and keeps giving me that word product, I'm like, "Hey, this person deserves a raise. They're really good at writing." But it's good to know that there was assistance there. >> Yeah. >> And and and and also from a supervisory level also gives you the idea, okay,
sounds great, but if it was used, >> if AI was used, maybe we need to double check it before we send it to another agency or something like that. Thanks. >> I I would add you guys know I'm like the least techy person that you'll meet like
ever. Uh so I'm very uh suspicious of these things, but like you say, it's it's um um inevitable, right? Even when I think, oh, I'm the one using Google, it's it's already in there. >> Yeah. >> Um and but I I have tested it. So even if you're just using it for summary, you
have to be careful. Yes. I have I have asked it to summarize cases that I've used right that I that I I know what they say and I'm like okay give me a summary of you know I give it like a prompt half literally it was like
maybe six cases three were correct and three were wrong. >> Wow. >> So even at the summary level so I would I would be very careful. So maybe it hasn't adapted yet. Okay. Well, if I was relying on it that day, um I I would have been in trouble, right? So, um and
there's also in in in I've seen uh footage of the a young lawyer who did exactly that, put in the uh submitted fake cases, which you know, stellar argument, all these amazing cases that don't exist, but then the opposing
council didn't catch it. Maybe he ran it through AI and yeah, it does say that. You know, who knows? Opposing council didn't catch it. So, so then both got reprimanded because it would have been if you if you see a case where you're like, "Oh my god, this guy, how did I not know that?" You go and you look it
up and then when you don't find it, you challenge them, right? So, so part of it, I think it's um uh we it it's generational. if you're if you're a younger lawyer, a younger person, and you were born with the internet. I was not. So, I I'm somebody
who who is who had to adapt into it. Um, they just view things differently. So, I think it it goes to our training as well uh as we're as we're developing uh the the workforce that they understand uh you know, whatever the expectations are.
So, um I mean I I don't know I don't because I'm not comfortable with this subject. So I I won't I opine too much other than we should have policies, but I I don't want to be the one directing because I don't know enough.
>> Yeah. I don't know if I I necessarily we need to direct it because I think that would probably be best done by the city attorney and the manager. Uh for me, the discussion was really about do we support having an official policy. Um, >> and of course we would propose something
and give it to you and right and to to Commissioner Lama's concern and his point. Um, you can still use AI like as I call it a gut check, right? So, um, this is I've done my research. I've done my opinion. Let's see what AI has to say
about it because I know whoever I'm going to give it to is going to look at AI, right? So there are times you're not actually using AI but you may use it as a gut check or you may use that as a starting point where you know is this an issue in Florida and it that says it and then you do your own research. It's a
little bit different. So there could be nuances in in how we write the policy. So certainly um just because you Google something that gave you a starting point to start looking into something doesn't mean it has to be disclosed. It's just
if the final product obviously is a product of AI then maybe at that point you know that's something that needs to be disclosed but those are things that we can there's a lot of model policies out there that we can kind of work from and I guess we can put some together and
see what you all think. >> Commissioner Stewerson do you have anything? >> So we are going to be defining what is AI. So city is AI Google is AI. So we are going to be the body that is going to
define what is AI. >> No, not necessarily because that's pretty much defined out there in the >> so my question will be if we cannot define what is AI, how can we enforce the use of something that we cannot describe? I thought I think generally AI
has been pretty well defined out in >> so to be enforcable it has to be able to be to have a description right >> so for example if you are driving and you are 70 miles per hour then if it's a 30 miles per hour son you are breaking
the law because it's 70 and it's defined at 30. So again, how can we enforce something that we cannot define and if we can define I want to know right now what is the definition that we are going to be using. So if somebody write
something with uh Google Copilo or whatever it is for that matter uh even my uh mouse is supposed to have some AI on it. So every time I'm using my mouth is it going to be uh I have to disclose
I I don't understand the need. I don't understand what is it that the problem that we are trying to solve. And that question is for you, Larissa. What is exactly the what are we trying to fix? >> Sure. I I think that that's a great
question because it's a question I often ask when we put policy in. And to the uh city attorney's point, AI the the definition of AI is pretty established uh in in anywhere you look. Um and I would defer to the city manager and the
attorney to to really put that in um in writing. However, the problem that we're trying to fix is um and the city attorney made a comment about it as well. If we have staff uh that are using AI to produce work product and writing
letters or creating reports and just from uh one example and they're really doing a really great job and we're and you know the their supervisors are noticing and thinking you know this person really deserves a a a raise. They're getting this done faster than you know the person right next to right
next to them. How's that possible? Well, if they've been using AI that's not very fair. They should be disclosing, hey, I'm using AI to complete these reports that used to take two hours. Now it's going to take me five minutes. That's one example. Another example is if we have somebody that's presenting in front
of us, and this is not specifically regarding us, this is in a policy overall. If we have someone that's presenting in front of us and they're claiming that they have expert information on something to do with a uh
site plan or with a park like just now we had a presentation about what the park would look like if that person was using AI to generate those images. Uh I would like to know about it in advance because I'd like to know is it the design that they created or >> subs subsidance
>> it could be anything there. I can go on and on and on. The point is any I'm not talking about using a mouse uh and I don't actually don't even know what uh what AI uh a mouse has but that's not the point to Commissioner Llama's point if you're using it as a you know for
Gemini a Google search or whatever you know you have to use your judgment this is not about this isn't going to be like everything that you do you're going to have to sit down with a a pencil and mark every single search that you ever have but if you're creating and when I say you I don't mean you I mean all If
something is being created and presented as a document that we would be potentially using to vote on, we should all know in advance that it was AI was used. So to my point, so it has to be defined. Sure. >> So it has to be defined to be enforceable.
>> Artificial plus common sense is not a legal is not a legal standard that you can enforce either. So common sense I wish we could teach that and it was used for anything and everything. So to my point here we are trying to fix a
problem that doesn't exist in my opinion. So um if somebody went to college and learn how to use certain tools better than other well you know that's ingenuity. So that means thank you for capitalism. So I would love to
see first how is it that we're going to define AI. So when there is a new program we had to redefine because like I said city is AI. So if you're asking city you're telling city please take these notes right now for tonight commission's meeting is that the use on
AI when she's taking my notes if I asking which by the I don't use city but that's just an example. Uh so what is it that we're trying to fix here? Like you said at the very beginning AI is here to stay and that we defining AI I think is
a little bit um silly because uh by the next month is going to completely have changed because the technology is changing per day. So we're going to put what at least or if you use CHP or Gemini or Copilo then you have to
disclose and then what about the other five uh uh software that being created right now. So like I said and we have a few lawyers here in today. So how can you enforce something that you cannot define? So if the grandma comes here to
say something or to bring something uh what is going to be the penalty if she didn't say that she used uh Google or she used uh chat GPT to help her prepare her speech. I would like to know so if we have here a grandma talking about
something she wasn't feeling so comfortable doing on her own and she used CH GPT what would be then the penalty for the grandma which she doesn't say oh my speech was created by Chad GPT. No, I don't think that's that's not the the the purpose here. The
purpose is not for public speakers that come on. >> Well, that's what it says here. >> No, this is not for public speakers. This is for people that are presenting for something that we would potentially vote on. >> If someone comes here and wants to speak on an item, they are free to speak on
that item. And as far the the penalties would be defined by the manager and it would be specific to the staff. uh we're not going to sit here and penalize uh members of the public that come here and want to discuss something. >> Well, you you could there's no again it's not a it's not a law. It is an
administrative policy. There wouldn't necessarily be you could have as your current code already has. If somebody comes up here and says something that's false, you can that makes the item voidable, right? It would be similar where they failed to disclose it. They
should have disclosed it. But if the information is correct, it's fine. >> What? >> But all the time. >> So it should be for the staff, consultants, and probably vendors exclusive. Uh it could not be for the people. Uh it could not be for us
because we are not considered staff anyway. So um so >> no, I think it should include us. Absolutely. >> Well, you know what? Like you said, then you had to use your common sense because in the last commission meeting or the one previous I did and I say I took a
picture of the fountain. It took me five minutes with AI to make certain renderings that we were giving a contract. We actually you guys voted for it to give $70,000 contract to somebody to do what I did for free in five
minutes. So, and I say it I use AI to do those renderings in five minutes. So um I think if we are sitting down here is for a reason uh and if we want to disclose what and how we are using AI uh then we can do it but so when if you do
a research for an for an item where you want to say oh I went to chat GPT and I ask about how do you define AI I I don't see the point of this I don't know what is it that we're trying to accomplish like I said and nobody has given me the
answer just yet. I want to know what is it that is going to be enforcable here, what is the definition of AI and what's going to be the penalty. So that staffer that is using CH GPT and didn't disclose and the other one saw him doing it and
then he's going to tell the manager is going to get fired because he was using Chad GPT and he was making very good memos. I I I totally am lost on what is the intention and what is it that we are trying to fix here. I mean, I don't even want to ask Mauricio Hughes AI to do the
agenda. Don't answer. Okay. So, I don't get it. >> So, hold on one second. I just want to respond to that. Uh, that is a great example that if uh the city clerk or the city manager or city attorney was using AI to create a product, uh, I would
absolutely want to know in advance. I would want them to disclose that. But go ahead, Commissioner. Um, Joseph. So I know universities today they require full disclosure of um any use of generative AI.
So I think we should uh be able to do the same. How and when >> for so if let's say that you have someone >> that um that is next to a building where we
currently have a developer building and they come in with some report regarding subsidance and it turns out that the report itself is AI generated. the person presenting to us
um that you know and the reason for his presenting to us is to have us uh render some decision on something at some point. They should have to disclose the uh product of their report.
Uh because we're looking to make our decisions based on facts, not something that's generated that may not actually be true. or can be true. Well, you know, we don't know. The point is is is exactly what the city attorney
said, >> true to some degree. >> Basically say, okay, maybe we need to take another look at it just to be certain, just like vice mayor said, you know, doing a a check to see uh you know, is this real or not real? It's it
just it's just as quick to check it. So, >> we want to base our decisions on fiction, >> right? Of course not. That's >> and also we are supposed to be reading the agenda and reading the items uh and we can verify whatever is it that we can
that we want to verify. Um so I again I continue not seeing the issue. I continue not seeing the problem. I think is a very arrogant of us to believe that we are going to be the body that is going to define what is AI and to
penalize people for using it. Plus you know that AI also lies. So something that you can do with AI, you might ask AI if it was done with AI, it might say no it wasn't. So what is it that we are going to be
here right now monitoring the use of AI by the people? I like I said, I don't see the problem. Uh we all know how to read. Uh and we can all detect things that may or may not make sense and we can all have u the opportunity to do our
own research. Uh, so again, good luck trying to define and enforce the use of AI. >> Okay. >> Enforcement is a whole other thing. >> Wait, let me >> Wait, I heard a couple things. I don't think that >> I don't know if it's correct or not. Are
we looking to penalize? Is that the intent of this? It's just disclosure. So if somebody if person A used AI and says I used AI for this presentation and there is some wrong information
there. Would that person get penalized or is there a possibility that they could get penalized? >> Like I said it would be we cannot penalize the city manager. >> It's just a disclosure. >> It's not a penalty. It's just it's the same thing that's currently in your code. >> Yeah. >> If someone comes up here for
>> a variance. Yeah. Right? And they outright lie to you and after the fact you found out, you find out they absolutely lied, that item becomes voidable. You can come back under your code and you can void it out. >> Correct. >> This is just a flag that's to say that it's like me. If you ask me my opinion
now, it's like, hold on. >> Yeah, >> that's my opinion. No, it's not. It's chat GPT's opinion. >> Yeah. >> You paying me for my opinion or you paying chat GPT? Because Google can do that for you all day long. It's probably inaccurate, but it can do that for you all day long. It's just something for you to know and to when you're making
your decision, just like you look at the credibility when you act in a quasi judicial capacity and you as an attorney know whether you go to trial or anything else, you always have as a juror or as an attorney, you have to consider the credibility of the witness, right?
>> And this is just a tool in being able to judge the credibility of the information that's being given to you. It's to help you. It's not to penalize anyone. It's just >> a matter of disclosure. So you know the full story >> before you make a decision that's all. >> Yeah that's fine. I mean what I'm having
well what I'm trying to understand is for instance you know if you write an email you write it yourself and you drop it into chat GPT and say hey make this improve this email. Would you have to disclose that? I mean >> no you're not submitting it to anyone. >> You're not upon the variations that I'm
>> No no no no. I'm saying >> what we're doing here. >> Okay, I I understand. I'm saying that let's say for instance Mauricio sends me an email, right? He wrote it himself, but then he made it better with Chad GPT. Does he have to disclose that?
>> Not depends upon not if it's not in the policy. It's not you're not making a decision on that. You're not >> you're you're not um again I I'll use the >> So it's only for information you make a decision on >> like a presentation, >> whatever policies you want to make. I mean >> Okay. So, so it it warrants a lot more
discussion because AI could be used for so many things. >> AI. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> so if you're just like if you go to the doctor and your doctor uses AI to to diagnose you, do you want to know that? >> Yeah, of course. Yeah. I mean, but but
it's good and bad. Like I I think we need to kind of have very defined parameters or situations let's say on the use of AI because it could get very convoluted. >> Plus you a question right right now the
city manager if uh staff right now >> uses AI or rather when they use AI there is no disclosure policy. Correct. >> Correct. >> Right. So you have no way of knowing and as far as they're concerned they don't have to tell you.
>> Correct. >> Right. So this is to that point where if staff uh because we're we're some for some reason so focused on us. This isn't necessarily about us. It should include us because I think that's just a good process. So you're referring just to the
commission or in the city. >> But it's really about the staff and about anyone that presents to us and vendors or or applicants, >> but you know, it's the sort of thing if we expect others to do it, we should follow that same suit. There's nothing there's nothing wrong with using AI.
It's part of doing business, but it's about disclosing it. So if you feel like you wrote an email and you asked whatever it whatever AI it is and to Commissioner Stwerson's point it could be a million other things tomorrow >> the definition is artificial
intelligence meaning you didn't write that if you felt like putting disclosure because you wanted to be super honest and say I used uh AI sure but right now Grammarly spellch check like that you would no I don't think so but like I
said I would like to see the manager or the city attorney. Look at what other municipalities are doing to see if that's something that we could incorporate into our policy. Same as we same as any, you know, sexual harassment policy, any of those things in order to
to make it as as clear as possible so that if someone's getting hired, they know what the expectation is. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I mean listen um I understand the whole point and to be quite honest I think that the more tools
that staff uses AI and there's a lot of different AIs that are really really good I think it'll just make their I mean it could improve their quality and make them a lot more efficient. I think that what everybody needs to be aware of
is that AI does hallucinate and make up stuff and we all of us that use AI, we need to be extra careful in in double and tripleeing before we send something or before we present something. So, um, I would
certainly not want whatever we put in paper to discourage or make staff afraid of using AI because I I would like them to use AI because there's some tools that just spit out information or help you format um,
whatever presentation you need in five minutes. So, um, I I think we need to think about it. I do want the disclosure to happen but I need to we need to be very careful on how we structure it. I
say >> and Clark >> so I just have one more thing. >> So let me just vice mayor heard me >> last I think it it needs to just be handled at the at the staff level. I don't um I
worry that this becomes us uh micromanaging. >> Uh I think it's worth the discussion. You know, it's it's an interesting topic, but I I think we need to let them figure it out. >> I agree. I agree >> that Joseph.
>> Yes. So, I know there's um one um checker that universities are using. It's called Turn It In. And for people like the city manager who receives or could be receiving information uh from
staff uh that might be one uh service to use for yourself to uh check on facts. It's called turn it in which is one of the better ones to use regarding uh checking on AI.
And to your point also uh to Alex point if you are writing an email and you have Grammarly Grammarly is AI and it's going to tell you you make any mistakes if they're going to give you suggestion to make the flow even better. So um then
the other uh comment that I have is that what if you use it and there is no disclosure. So why are we doing this when there's like you said there's going to be no penalty. So if there is no penalty for not disclosing so what would
you disclose anyway? So why are we going to be making a whole paper and make the city attorney work on this when at the end of the day they said that there's going to be no penalty if you don't disclose. So what is the policy for?
>> Okay. >> Well I I think uh may I >> Yes. Go ahead. So I I think that the whole intent of this and and and I see the point. I mean I'm I'm not trying to like discourage the use of AI. Actually I I want people to use AI and become
very proficient in it. I think the whole point of this or maybe it should be something else is to make sure that people that use AI doublech checkck the work and make sure that it is accurate. At the end of the day it's all about accuracy.
So there should be some sort of you know something conscious about you know us where we say okay you know we're using AI this is great it makes my job a lot easier it makes me more efficient etc
and it makes it better but you know obviously there is a dark side to this or there's mistakes that AI >> that's not my question my question is that what if we write this this policy we approve it Um, and it's only about disclosing. What if you don't disclose?
>> Well, there's no >> then you're breaking the policy. So, there's no penalty. So, why would you have any in the first place? >> This is okay. >> It's more for awareness. >> I think that we let the city manager and the city attorney figure that part out because again, this this is geared
towards more um staff and vendors and to put them on notice that this is the expectation. Um, so okay. Okay. I think >> part and just again my only interest in it is on the liability side, right? So,
>> um the only thing I would add is it just it's good to have a policy in place because for your example and I'm not suggesting anybody is doing this, but you don't want your building official, you don't want your city engineers, you don't want your professional people using AI to do their job, right? because
you don't want and and granted me for example I can't use AI unless I disclose it to you right that's I'm regulated by the Florida bar and the Florida Supreme Court sure some engineers are also >> you know subject to discipline if they do that but >> to have a stated policy helps because if
you have someone >> city engineer or somebody that makes a decision that says I'm this is my work product this is what we're going to do for this particular thing and the whole thing falls apart and somebody gets hurt right? And then it comes out. It it helps that you have a policy saying you're not supposed to do that. But
again, it it doesn't have to be. It's just in the liability standpoint. That's just it's good to have. But you know, >> but but you just say subject to discipline. So to my point is that so we're going to have a policy saying you you need to disclose, but if you don't,
>> it's not always comes down to so for example, I'll switch back to title seven, right? So your defense if you if you are accused of sexual harassment when your employees are right your defense as an entity as a
municipal corporation is that you have a policy in place that addresses it. If you don't you don't have a defense. You're almost automatically liable because you're allowing an environment that permits that. To have a policy in place helps. So if you have something that happens with regards to excessive
use of AI in a professional setting when something bad happens, it's an added defense for you to come in and say we have a policy against that. This person well violated the policy, but it's worse not having the policy because then it's like you you don't even have a policy.
You you tacidly allow your people to do this. And it's the same thing. It's not about penalizing. It's about having a policy in place that should be followed. >> Okay. I think we have consensus. So, um, next item.
>> Yes. >> I mean, do we have consensus? >> I believe so. >> Yeah. >> Can we can we vocalize that consensus? Because I'm >> You can't You can't vote, but >> you're not voting. >> No. Like, what what I I'm not I don't
I'm not so sure we have consensus. I I don't know. I don't think >> we want a policy for AI. >> No. >> For our for um the staff, for our vendors, for ourselves. >> Well, I think >> I'd like to see it. I like to see what staff could come up with. Take a look at
it. Yes. >> Yeah. >> I think the city attorney uh has has voiced that it's it's something he would favor. I I just think it needs to stay over there. >> I agree it needs to stay over there. I think we need to be but I think we need
to have a policy. I think if they decide they want a policy, they should have a policy. >> I >> I think uh that we do need a policy that uh items that are presented to us or
in any any decisionmaking um item in regardless of who it is on the city level. uh should be uh checked, fact checked through appropriate means
uh the the best available at that moment. And we know things are ever changing. Um just for embarrassment purposes, for waste of funds, for anything. Uh but it
does help to know that the person presenting a paper or anything you might depend upon uh they should be able they should be telling us that they did use AI uh because they may not be factchecking it themselves.
>> Okay. A policy that cannot be enforced I don't it's just paper. So if we're going to be creating a policy but there is no it's not enforcable and even if you don't do what the policy say meaning you don't do the disclaimer and there is no
consequences then why are we even spending the time doing this >> because this discussion itself is important even regarding just awareness. I agree and you say that a policy cannot
be enforced is just paper which is true >> and we could add a component for enforcement for staff if that's something that you want because uh certainly if staff member uses AI and something fails or something is so erroneous that it would be a violation
of policy because they submitted work product that didn't check and so on and so forth. So there could be a component in there too. Yeah, I would leave it up to the manager if that's would be part of it. >> Okay. >> Well, well, I mean, it goes back to there's an employee that's not doing their job correctly. I think it goes is
the same thing, the same concept, right? If they're spitting out information or reports that are erroneous and >> yeah, you just don't have a policy that says that now. >> We just don't have a policy that says that. Okay. All right. Um, yeah, I I I
mean, I I do agree with the policy. It's just that we need to be careful in how we write it, present it because obviously you do want uh staff to you know make use of tools that will enhance their their jobs, you know, that will
make their >> their efficiency better. >> And please add in any policy a specific description of what is it that we consider AI. >> No, but I mean I I think we know what AI is. But a policy, a policy has for you
to for proper notice to your employees or wherever else, you have to define it. So, >> okay. >> It would have to have a definition of what you're you're prohibiting or what you're regulating. >> All right. >> Okay. >> I think we're ready to move on. >> Okay. Next item is 4C. Discussion
regarding additional excuse me, regarding the save our homes from excessive property tax bill. >> Okay. Vice Mayor and Commissioner Llama, your discussion item. Who's going first? >> You go ahead. >> Uh, well, >> your microphone's not on. >> It's not.
>> Uh, okay. So, I I was going to um talk about this just as a legislative update, and I know we've we've had memos, etc., and um and then uh Commissioner Lama um came up with a a more specific uh topic.
So, that's why we're together. But I think um I provided uh these pie charts just that for demonstrative purposes. Um and so uh this is from the property appraisers um website. Anybody can go in
there and you type in your your address or if you can get your folio number, you put it in and it'll give you exactly how your tax dollars are distributed. >> Is that something um deputy manager we can kind of push out because uh I think that's really useful information.
>> Sure. And it's not in any way pushing people forward against anything. Correct. If we let people know just how their tax dollars are being spent, >> right? It just depends how you do. I don't know how we >> All right. I just think this is so This
is such a good chart. Just to let them know how to look up >> how to look it up. That's it. Yeah. It's a website, you know, and and you can go into the property appraisers and it'll or through AI. You can Google how do I see my that's what I did. Okay. How do I
see my my tax pie chart in Miami date county and it'll it'll take you there. Okay. >> So, um I'm just going to show the the one that's that's up there. I I'm only going to focus on one because I wanted I just wanted um everyone to see um an
example. Okay. So, the green the big green thing right that's the school board in this particular one. And I like this one because this particular property uh only pays about $1,000. Okay. So so you can understand. So that
then this green part is like $500, right? And the the green the the school board generally is uh because pie charts differ and it depends, you know, what what home exemptions apply, how long you've owned. There's different I'm not
an expert, I should say that, but the pie charts are different. That's why I gave you guys like a sample, okay? But I only wanted to show this one. Um, so the green part is usually between 40 to 50%. That's the school board. So with the um
and and uh I really at some point the city attorney is going to have to chime in and and and help clarify because I'm I'm certainly not an expert. I don't think anybody's an expert. We're all trying to figure out what this new law means. Um it's not what what people get
excited what I don't have to pay property taxes. You do and you will. Uh and the school board piece in this case it's 50% in anybody's pie chart. It's going to be anywhere between 40 and 50%. That's not going anywhere. Okay. The
municipal piece is the little the little blue part. No, I'm so sorry. This says Sunny Al Beach. It's like the maroon one. Uh this one is 8.46%. Generally it's uh it's about 10%. Okay.
And that's when when people say, "Oh, you know, I pay my taxes to the city." You do, but it's it's not what you think, right? It's it's really usually only around 10% of your tax bill is what comes to us. The other big chunk is the
county. So the school board, people think, "Oh, it's a county school." They think it's the same thing. It's not. The school is its own district. It collects its own taxes, the school board, and then the county gets the other big chunk. This one is 38%.
Uh on average is between 40 and 45%. So I I still don't know what part of the county slice of the pie gets affected or how. And I don't think um really there's
I I haven't spoken to anybody who can explain it to me properly. Then you have the children's trust and the um the water management which is a tiny tiny green um and here is 1.14 on average is about one and a quarter. So
that part. So most of this is still going to um it's I just don't want people to think that what's being proposed is an elimination and that you're just going to live for free and never pay taxes. That is not what we're talking about. They're trying to uh
implement the structure which we can speak about um in more detail hopefully with the guidance of the city attorney uh to uh you know increase the home exemptions and you know reduce what you pay and depending on the value of your home. It
may eliminate what you pay it for certain things but you're still going to be paying for the school and you're still going to be paying for the water and so it doesn't go away. it doesn't go away. So, please let that be the
message. I don't I don't want to be labor and go into the details of things, but I want this pie chart to be like a basic example. You see that green thing? You're going to pay that. You see that that other big chunk, you're going to pay most of that
probably. Nobody actually knows that yet. And the other pieces I don't think are affected. You're going to pay that. So, this is about certain savings and you can go into the the property appraisers uh website and put in your address or if you have your folio
number, you put in your folio number and and you will be able to see your own pie chart and you'll be able to get a sense of uh how much you're actually going to be saving. Um, if if I understand it correctly, um, if if you're if you're in
a if you eventually if you have a $200,000 uh home or or $300,000 home, that means that the city is not going to be getting your your income, right? Your your taxes. And we are structured
the way that the that this our city was was designed was we're going to give away the candy store on the beach so that developers can build these massive things with these massive you know taxpaying properties and that's going to fund the west side and our parks and
everything else. So when we are giving now homestead exemption if if those are um if eventually that that disappears or significantly reduced then that impacts what we um what what we're able to take
in and how we were it it it disrupts our our plan our original plan that basically is the east side pays for a lot of the west side and and we're able to and that was the reason like, "Oh, but these, you know, these buildings are
so tall and they're so we don't want them." Yeah, but we want the tax revenue and that's why we've been able to do what we've done. I'm not saying that I love that that premise, but that's the premise that it was built on and that's what we've been working on. So, when you
start disrupting that for us, it would be very impactful and and maybe survivable for us. But we can't we can't just think about us as as a city sunny Alles Beach because we know that 20% about is
homesteaded. So this conversation is about that 20%. If you're a renter, by the way, you don't want this. If you're a renter, this doesn't help you at all. And that's a lot of our residents. Uh, and ultimately, again, when nobody's giving you straight answers, but
ultimately if this ends up falling apart, they're going to say, "Well, that's okay. We're going to increase. You're not paying property tax." Or the line is you shouldn't pay rent to live in your house. Oh, that's not even factual, but okay.
Well, we'll just increase the sales tax. And now the property the property that is saving let's say um let's say I'll use Aqualina as an example right that's big expensive properties if if they're
going to be saving a lot of money like I'll call it I'll call it whatever $30,000 they can be saving $30,000 and then this pie chart person right they they maybe are saving $400 $,
but they're equally going to be charged sales tax when they go to the supermarket and buy their groceries. So, the the $400 savings are going to get eaten up at the grocery, but not necessarily the $30,000 savings. So, it's a it's a tax shift potentially if
the if we end up having that sales tax conversation because we we carved too much and um and now we we the state can't fund itself or the county can't fund itself. Um so, I'm not getting straight answers. I don't know about you
guys, but this is very concerning to me. >> I'm a little confused. >> Um wait, wait a second. I have one thing to give Commissioner Lama and and let them sit. I'll ask questions. So, the the sales tax is a a possible remedy if
this goes wrong, which is what uh in the FLC what what we've been talking about. Um because it's already being tossed around like, well, if we if we carve too much, well, we can fix it with sales tax, but then that becomes a tax shift
really to the middle class and you eat up your savings at the at the grocery store or wherever. Uh whereas the people who saved a lot don't necessarily eat up to savings. >> Okay. >> So, yeah, I just wanted to show this and and to
uh express my deep deep concern. I know that there's a lawsuit. Maybe the city attorney can talk about that. Uh but you can find out what your pie pie chart looks like online. >> I think Wait, wait a second. Commissioner L, did you want to add anything to the to your item or Yes.
>> Did you want to take questions? Okay, go ahead. >> So, >> and I just want to one second. I just want to make sure that the city attorney has advised me that we have to be very careful as to how we present this so that we're not trying to sway anyone. >> Yeah. Well, in this in this setting, the
the statute says that you as individuals basically can have your own opinions and express them at on any issue at any time. >> Okay. So, in this form, you can the the >> statute that and once it gets on the actual ballot and it's issued a ballot
number, there'll be some tweaking to that because >> regardless, you know, you can speak about it, but you should never voice don't vote for this or vote for this. It should never come out of your >> We can we can voice our personal opinions right now. >> Yes, you can.
>> But but then the expenditure >> what is the per those I I don't think we have to. I just want to make sure that they get heard. What we do when we have a discussion item is to give the staff direction about something. >> Not necessarily necessarily like so we
right now here campaigning for an issue. My my said your original uh intention for this was a legislative update, right? And to ex and this has be this is definitely on our on our radar and the and uh I wanted to mention the other
thing is um that there's one of the things that's been mentioned is well there's going to be a creation of um of maybe like a grant different grants so that if if you're a a city in need you can apply for certain grants. Uh but
then we're applying for grants for our own money. Especially if you're date and Broward because we're donor um we are donor counties. So we're we're we would be taking in less and then maybe get a grant of our own money back. um which I
think those grants would really be intended for um I there's a term for it like compromised communities but that's not the word but um communities in trouble something I don't remember what it's called >> um so we I just think this this is it's
not well defined um and the study that was that was supposed to help us if I remember correctly this it was actually vetoed last year. So we I I have I'd like to know the data that supports this and I
don't I don't I haven't gotten anything. I've spoken to different uh people and I'm not getting anything. So um so I it it it concerns me a lot. >> Okay. And just for for anyone members of
the public that are watching, we do not have the ability to take this put this on or off the uh the ballot. This is just a a presentation and it uh general discussion. Uh Commissioner Lama, do you want to just add something and then >> Yeah. So, okay. So, from a macro level,
I I think that, you know, if we could give some tax relief to to the residents, I think we could be all in agreement. The issues that I have with this is that a lot of cities, and I'm talking about the state as a whole, a
lot of cities and even neighboring cities of us of ours have 80% um homestead. So, they're going to take a huge tax hit. And then, you know, the consequence of this would be that they're going to be
dependent more on the state. you know, they're talking about some special fund to give to cities that are in dire straits, etc., etc. So, the question is, how is a small city that's 80, 90% homestead, and they're going to take a huge tax hit, how are they going to be
able to fund their police department, infrastructure, etc. So I think that it is a good idea but then you know the state itself sees as a as an opportunity to have more control over municipality.
So we need to be very careful with that. You know another point that I don't like is that they're telling us how to spend the tax revenues. You know there's different categories. uh talks about public safety, infrastructure, natural
resources, debt services, etc. So, for instance, talking specifically about about our city, we're not going to be able to have the team programming that is for free. Obviously, there's not paid, you know, um the um senior roundt,
uh wellness series, etc. I don't think we could even have the um residents academy correct under this new law. So it is concerning that the state is imposing and telling us basically what to do. I understand that the there's
some you know we have programs that you know other cities perhaps have you know misspent their funds etc etc. But we need to be very careful about the unintended consequences of this. And we need to make the public aware that, you
know, there are certain programs that if this passes on November, it's going to go on the ballot in November. People are going to be voting for this. If it passes that, you know, this this and that could happen. So, I just wanted to kind of
open that up for discussion and um I don't know what can we do about it. I mean, if we're going to lose the funding, we cannot, you know, do senior roundt anymore, we cannot do our movie nights anymore, our yearly parties, um
what are we going to how are we going to move forward? I mean, it's it's sad because we've been able to develop some nice programs for the seniors, for the teens, and for other residents. And for it to just disappear like that because
of a good idea where the state is making it kind of into a paragraph, too. Um, is just very concerning to me. >> Okay. I would I would add to that and thank you for bringing up the how the monies can be are being used because
that is a a total overreach on home rule >> like we we should be >> I think we should open to this to discussion. >> Yeah, this is a you know >> please commissioner Stevenson go ahead. >> Okay, I have many first of all I would
like to know where this um where these numbers come from. >> What numbers? the specific ones that you guys put in the memo saying for the first year we are going to lose $814,000,
second year 1.4 million, third year 5.1 million. So there is no math attached to this. So what is the math? >> Yes, please. >> So that's based on last year's tax roles
that we received from Miami date county >> again. So please share these calculations with us because that depend on the amount of homes that are homesteaded here in the state of Sonia in in the city of Sonals. Correct. >> So how many homes are homesteading
sonals? >> 4,153 based on last year's tax >> out of over 25,000 parcels >> out of 19,852. So it went down >> properties >> because parcels I I have as information
from the D um appraiser that we have around 25,000 parcels and I'm just using round numbers. >> I'm looking at the Excel spreadsheet that came from Miami Day County. That is the tax role. >> Okay. Well, so I have different
information. So um a few things we there is also a website that is called save our homes tax savings calculator. It's very simple same title save our homes tax savings calculator.
You put your address there. You don't even need to know your parcel and it will tell you how much that you are going to be saving from this. So like I said, I want to know the calculations for these numbers and I I I saw the the two pieces
of legislation. This is totally a Talahasi conversation. I mean we can be talking all night about this. It will make zero different or what is going to be how the people is going to be voting or what already Talahasi pass and put on
the ballot. So there is nowhere said in in in those two bills there are two uh because they're companion bills nowhere says that they're going to be approving our budget. So when we are here saying that the team programs is going to be
eliminated or senior citizens academy or residents academy or seniors whatever this is fear mongering because we excuse me I haven't finished I haven't finished please. So I need to correct you >> because they cannot approve our budget.
They are not approving. They are saying that we have to continue using the money for what you said uh safety purposes for the police for fire department etc. They're saying that we have to use our money for that. They're not saying that we cannot continue using the money for
certain other things. So that's not what the legislation said. That is us when we are going to be passing a budget. So we are still going to pass unless this the legislation now is saying that they're going to be the ones approving our budget which is completely different and
then exactly what you are saying then programs and all of that can be eliminated you know but right now it doesn't say anywhere that they're going to be the ones that are going to be dictating how we use every of our budget. They say what we have to what we
have to be funding. It doesn't say we are not going to continue funding the other programs. So like I said this is completely a Talahasi conversation and I would like to ask one very very simple question. Why are we having this discussion? I mean what is it that we are going to what is the expectation of
having all this presentation? I I that I still I don't understand if it's only for to inform the people. Well you guys can open a podcast and and and do that you know or or or go outside and and give flyers about it. So we are using our time here right now just to do that
to inform the people one hour about it. I I I don't get it. >> Well, may I may I >> Yes. Go ahead and get >> Okay. So So going back to your point. So there are seven permitted spending categories. There are spending categories permitted by this new legislation. Okay. Now
this tells you specifically how we are allowed to spend the tax revenue property tax revenue. I I I don't understand your point. I mean it's very clear night and day. So if we want to continue with the senior roundt or team
programming where is the funding going to come from if we cannot spend the tax dollars from that our property tax dollars may you answer that question please to me >> I don't have the seven spending categories in front of me right now. >> Okay so we are going to be we can be very creative where to put it because
there is a lot of things that they are not including there. My point is my point is are are you happy with the state telling us how to spend the tax? >> It's not about my happiness in here. >> No, no, but that is we have specific programs that we have developing big. We have to continue
>> and you were a champion for the teams. >> We want to continue >> and now we want to continue those. The big question is how are we going to continue those? And that's why I put this on the discussion agenda. So what is the but
>> I'm not here trying to gain points or you know get stars or rewards or kudos whatever I'm here because I am very concerned. So I hope you understand that point. Okay. I'm not here to you know >> No I and I agree. No I agree with you.
But my my question is what is the purpose of the discussion? >> Exactly what I told you. I want to understand how are we going to be able to continue these programs if the state is imposing on us? How we going to be able to, you know, what we can spend the
tax revenue on? >> Can you just one second, please? I just want to give Commissioner Joseph a chance because he hasn't had an opportunity. So for me, I'm not that concerned because the 60% threshold is a very high threshold to uh have uh that
many votes that that would have this uh law passed. We have um police departments. >> We have police departments. We have fire departments uh personnel and their families. that
would be coming out to vote against this. So, we have a lot of opposition. Even though it seems like a good idea to the normal um homesteaded resident, I believe we we have um I'm not concerned
that this will pass. And if it did pass, I would be prepared to um to still continue in one way or another our city services. We happen to be >> we need to think about we need to start
preparing if >> it let Commissioner Joseph finish. >> Yeah. So there is a way I mean we uh we happen to be a well-off city. We have um our own means. There are some
cities that are living on the edge currently. I read an article that uh some cities actually if this passed might have to consolidate with other cities. >> Yeah. >> In order to survive. >> Yeah. >> And the state apparently has nothing
doesn't see anything wrong with that. Um but we're not one of those luckily. So, I believe that and and and like I said, I don't see this passing with a if they were to lower the threshold, it might
have a better chance, but with a 60% threshold, I and with the opposition that I'm looking at, I don't think that it has a chance of passing. >> If I may, yes, please go ahead. Uh, so I I think as a city, Sunny Isles, because
we are only 20% uh and and we we we're well off. Um, we can probably survive this. And now whether we're then not allowed to to fund other things is another story. And we may have to charge
for those things or or whatever. But um we we can't just think about us as a city because this is statewide. And while there may be cities where I there's waste and and fraud and you know because
I think this is intended to to force poorly cities to tighten their belt, right? But um we're not one of those cities. And in fact, right, we have the uh the lowest millage. Uh and so we are we're doing very well with with a low
millage. We are not the targeted kind of city that this legislation I think is intended to um to impact. But yet here we are because it's statewide. And I would caution also that um you know, you don't know what you don't know. So while
we may be okay uh there may there may be cities that have to consolidate there may be other cities that just get completely destroyed. So we we don't know those things and then what impact is that going to have then who saves those cities and and where are those answers?
Um so I just feel that this we need to um we you know it probably won't be popular. I agree with you, but that's only going to be the case if people understand it or at least know that this is I don't think this has been fully
thought out. Um, which would explain my lack of answers and certain things. So, uh, but I appreciate you bringing up if if we are if we are not um allowed to spend >> on on these things, >> then we're going to have to start charging, I imagine. Right. and we're
going to have to start charging for the residence academy, the the shuttle, the all the things that are free, the spot, or they disappear. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, I'll let you just finish on >> Yeah. I'm all for tax breaks. I just think I don't like, you know, it's a
good bill, but then I think the state with their imposition and restrictions has, you know, kind of hampered it and made a a bad thing. You know, they they messed up a good thing. It's a good intention, but um I'm just afraid of the
unintended consequences. I was reading a an article that there there's there's cities that are not going to be if they take this tax hit, they're not going to be able to fund their police department. They're going to have to, you know, use the police from the from the county. So, you know, we need to think about that,
too. But >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you for putting the item and you know just >> okay >> everyone has the ability to go and research how this affects them and how they want to uh vote in November. So thank you for the discussion. Next item please. >> Okay.
>> Next item is 4D the display of student artist award winners in the government center lobby. >> Commissioner Joseph. >> Yes. Thank you. So this is my item. um couple of weeks ago at uh Norman Edel Cup uh K through8 uh where we had
previously had uh the RK wall where students did their annual artwork um and that not being available this year. We had students uh do their work on Canvas. There were four students that
um had do we have those uh paintings that we can show? Is that available? >> Yes, >> not on screen. >> Not on screen. >> Not on the screen, but it is available in the agenda packets and it's available
online as well. >> Okay. But not for >> not on the screen >> people at home to see. >> Yes, they can see it if they go on to the agenda and it's it's showing there. So, in any event, uh we had uh four students from our K through8 that uh did
excellent um portrayals of the east side of Collins. And I'm asking for them to be rewarded by having them um displayed uh in the lobby of city hall for a one-mon period
uh with their names and um also if they could come before the commission to also um be awarded for their excellent work. >> Okay, commissioner >> I agree. >> I'm saying for it.
I'm for it. >> Nice art, by the way. I like it. Check. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, possibly we can then uh start the display next month and they can uh uh be available for next month's commission meeting. >> I I guess it all depends on the school
and and what information do you need from us? If any contact and ask them if did they want this? Is this something they requested? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, I just want to confirm um you said the school was agreeable would provide the
easels and we'll come set them up. >> Yes, that's correct. Yes, they said they had them and they um uh I will take care of um getting the easels for the presentation. >> Mayor, >> yes. >> We would also need a release from the
students andor the school. >> Okay. >> To display the artwork. >> Sure. Perfect. >> All right. Whatever it is you need, if as long as they're at amanable to it >> and the component of having them come to the commission meeting, I'm assuming you
want that for next month to be presented >> with for next month, notify them >> and um have them appear before the commission and to um for I guess July 1st to start to um
present the uh artwork in in uh city hall in the city hall lobby. >> Well, the display of the artwork that would be up to the city manager's office, but for purposes of them coming before the commission, that would be for July. >> For July? Yes.
So, I just actually received their name. So, we'll um have the school contact them and they can get in touch with um with your office, Mauricio. >> Okay. Next item. >> The next item is also my item. It's uh
regarding porous pavers and stamped concrete um after two years of uh persuasion. I but still we cannot uh require these items to be used in our city. We can
only um and Susan had uh presented this to me. We can only um persuade um and offer um some type of what was it that you were saying Susan? We can offer
some type of benefit if they >> the best we cannot require it. The best we could do is try to incentivize it. >> Incentivize. Yes. So, we cannot require it >> in one manner or another for uh now um homeowners if they were to redo their
driveway to use porous materials um in order to alleviate some of the runoff into our streets and sewer system. Another idea I had was that we could um
give people the incentive to add um one or two additional layers of sod to their lawns which would act as a sponge. I know I've done that on my lawn and it's made quite a difference um as far as
absorption of rain water and where I used to have a puddle in front of my driveway that no longer occurs even in the heaviest rainstorm. Just as an FYI to do any of this the research or anything to get staff to do that we would need some direction that
it's the consensus of this commission to >> okay >> consider any of Lee's >> I'm Can you clarify just a little bit more what that what that entails and what that means >> well Steph would have to go back and research and see the value in doing so
get some best practices from other agencies and draft an ordinance for your consideration. >> Do you recommend doing that? Is there a recommendation from the city manager's office to do that? >> Well, if I can say
>> Wait, let just answer that to them. >> If I can just add >> one second, one second. Let let the city manager answer that. >> Well, we've now Sorry. We've now uh the elevation on on new construction has
been raised so that that gives uh more um height and the more uh that allows for more absorption of water to uh down to the um water uh water natural water level. >> Okay.
>> It's not a Florida building code requirement. So it's really subject to the will of the commission. It would be an additional uh requirement for the residents and cost. >> Actually, just a caveat, it can't be a requirement because of SB80.
>> It would have to be solely voluntary. >> But looking 180 won't allow you to amend your >> Right. That's where the incentives come in. >> Right. >> Right. But there's so with this item in particular, there would be,
you know, what we'd have to look at is you incentivize them, but then if they don't keep it up, the benefit of having it is lost. So how would >> lost to a degree of that? >> It's not fully lost. So it's better than it's still better than having solid
concrete and and full runoff. But what what sort of incentives are we even able to give someone for for something like that? So if your idea is someone I ideally you're thinking that they would change out their driveway, right? That's your >> Well, if they're about to change out
>> whatever, right? And so what >> alternative, >> right? And so what kind of incentives can we even I'm asking the manager just to so that I understand what this discussion is about. If it's your will, potentially a discounted permit >> fee,
>> a discounted permit fee. Okay. And how much is our permit right now, if you know, for driveway >> from we're going through a study right now. >> Okay. >> But no, off the top of my head, I don't know what that permit fee is. >> All right. What I'd like to hear from
the commission if you have any feelings for or against Commissioner Lama. I mean, if there's a benefit to avoiding runoff and we can help mitigate some of the flooding, uh, I'm for it. You know, I would like to hear, you know, something from an
engineer, see if there's a benefit to having porous, uh, concrete and, yeah, I would like to, you know, investigate it further if there is a benefit. Well, I'd like to say that there, just so you
know, there are many states that actually use porest materials on a regular basis. >> We just happen not to be one of them yet. >> Okay. >> Commissioner. >> Yeah, I'm for it. >> You're you're for doing the study.
>> Sure. Yeah. For doing whatever. >> Yeah. I'd like to investigate it further. >> So, you want staff to to look into it? Uh, vice mayor, I >> that's okay. All right. So, >> well, I'm glad after two years it
finally uh the concept uh has more acceptance. Thank you. >> All right. Next item. Commissioner Llama >> 4F is the sargasm clean. I'm sorry. >> Yes. So I think that we were all witnessed to the levels of you know the
the piles of sargasm that were you know present at our beaches for for a long period of time. Uh yesterday when I when I went to the beach I I kind of took a peek there and and it was a lot better. You know it's gotten a lot better. But I
just wanted to understand you know what role do we play? I know that it is a county responsibility and they do subcontract, you know, the cleanup or if you want to call it cleanup of sarcasm to to a company. But
I wanted to see if we could be more proactive as a city or if we could work with the county or the state when we have levels of sargasm that just don't go away and they keep piling up and it makes it extremely impossible to
go to the beach and it starts stinking up and all of that. So, I just wanted to see what options we have. Um, obviously we could talk to the county, our our county commissioner and see who we could talk to at the state level.
>> Uh, I know that Miami Beach passed a resolution which um kind of talks about that, you know, how to better work with the county and the state, etc., etc. So I just wanted to see you know from staff
can we look at some options to just improve the situation. >> So for before we just get into the discussion I'd like to hear uh from the deputy manager or the manager what is the current process because obviously this is not only us. I've seen videos
where actually a lot worse than us. So started feeling lucky. But um >> deputy manager, what what is the current process? >> So the current process as as Commissioner Lama stated is the state owns the beach, the county has the management agreement and they maintain
the beach. Um they the private property owners supplement that by contracting with Beachreaker directly themselves. Um, it requires a special permit from the state to be able to do anything with the
sand. Uh, permit that we do not have, nor do we have the staff or the equipment to manage that ourselves. So, if we were to take any additional action, it would have to be us contracting through um like a beach rig or directly ourselves.
>> And that's because of the the sea life that's in the in correct sea. >> It's an environmental permit that we don't environmental permit. And so do they actually uh they they rake the sand. They don't go out into the ocean and collect it. They do not. >> Right. So it's whatever it collects on
the beach. So as it's coming out from wherever in the ocean, uh it keeps coming and they are collecting just what's on the beach. >> Correct. They really don't they don't >> not collect it. I mean they they bury it. They bury it. They I forgot the word for it. They turn it turn it and
whatever. Okay. Commissioner Joseph. So, I was alerted uh last week by one particular building and I contacted Mickey Steinberg's office and she said yes, she has to there. The county is supposed to be raking beach every day
and she lit a fire under them and um I heard that the beach was raked and the particular building was happy and I believe they worked all the way down the beach. >> Okay. Um, so Commissioner Llama, what what
part of this did you want to discuss us potentially? >> So, so I wanted to see >> Well, I don't know if getting a permit because it is very costly from what I understand. You know, you have to haul away the uh sargasm. You need to have a place where you could just keep it there
for a few days before it kind of dries and shrinks up and then you have to take it to another place. So, my idea is not to but but hold on. My idea is to see what options there are and start researching and maybe talking to other
coastal municipalities, neighboring municipalities about putting together some sort of um you know program with them where we work with the state and the county and you know just see how we could better manage it or or the county
can better manage it. So, is that because at some point for our budget, would that be a new program? >> No, no, no. I'm talking about having the county and the state do it for us, >> but they is doing >> Wait, wait, let's just let one one at a
time. >> Well, well, Jerry, I'm putting this as a discussion item. First, we need to investigate what's out there, do our research, understand the the issue, okay? See what options are there cuz uh I'm learning myself. So, I'm going to
talk to uh Mickey Steinberg, okay? See what what options we have. And then I think we should also talk to other coastal municipalities, see what they're doing. Okay. Miami Beach just um passed a resolution similarly to to what I'm
saying and uh perhaps I'll bring it uh forward next month so we could adopt it uh with some minor changes perhaps. But um yeah, I think you know I would like to direct staff to see what can be done. If there's a budget for it, fine. But my
idea is to not spend any money and and work with the existing uh entities that are, you know, responsible for cleaning up the sargasm. So, I've already had conversations with the um neighboring mayors about this
because obviously it affects everybody. >> Um and you know, generally the consensus is that we shouldn't be spending our money to do this because the county as per you know, the the presentation gets a large chunk of uh our tax dollars and so they should definitely be the ones
that are taking care of it. Now, on the flip side is it's not like it goes away. every year it comes and it's not something that can just be rid of. It's about how quickly can we get it off the beach. Um rather than you know I I don't want to set the expectation that we're
going to be able to clean it up even if we had all the money in the world because uh it's coming from the ocean. >> No, I understand but it comes to a point where you just have like mountains of disgusting and I think at one point we have to say okay we need we reached the level maybe have a threshold where we
say okay you know what this needs to be hauled away. >> Yeah. And and it needs to be at the county. Absolutely. Yeah. Um Okay. If >> I could say, >> wait, wait. I just want to give everyone else I want to give a chance to someone else >> because when I called >> Thank you. >> Right.
>> Yes. Thank you, Commissioner T. If we offer to do it, then we're going to have to pay for it. >> I'm not I'm not asking. >> No, but I know I understand. I know that's not what you said, but my point is that if we start if we open that conversation, they say, "Yeah, by all means, you do it, you pay for it." I can
tell you personally, I live for three years in La Perla and we knew this was coming. They will let us know um it start smelling after a few days etc. So it is not that if it's coming or not, we know it's coming every single year. So
we need to be ready. Another thing, another component is that there are certain birds that they feed out of it. So there's some chure birds or something that they eat from that little shrimps and etc. So um it's nature we get it. It
might get annoying. I remember it gets smelly but guess what after a couple of days gone you know. So I this is one battle that I think we should not be fighting. If we want to get more information, by all means, but again, if we open this conversation with the
county and we offer the minimum or with the state, they're going to say yes, do it, but pay for it. >> So, I I like I I lived there for three years, you know. So, I remember every season what was happening and I remember the kids, my daughter even make a funny name for it. She used to call it lechuga
dear. It's like z lettuce because it it looks like lettuce at the at the very beginning. So um I again it is coming so we need to be prepared. We need to be ready. The people that live on the beach they know it. Maybe the the people that
is coming from other areas the tourists they might not know but well you know they have to do their research. So yeah we can research all that but I don't see what is it that much that we can do actually >> right. I think it's really up to each building as well, especially the hotels
to invest the the money that they are the tourists are paying them to clean at, you know, and and I think they do. They do, but um I I agree that uh it's about knowing that it's coming, not if it's coming. Um
>> but the question remains, okay, are we should we investigate to see if it gets, you know, out of hand? Should we be able to haul it away? Should the county help us? I mean, we we should at least try. The >> county Yeah. So, so I think we should we should
twist and have some sort of working structure with them because I think that they just bury it and when it gets to an inordinate level I think we should tell them listen you need to come and pick it up or the state needs to work with you
but obviously I don't want us to fund it because it is very expensive for them. I understand >> there's supposed to be raking every day during >> but but raking means bearing but >> right >> I mean I don't know if you're at the beach I mean that that se that sea that sargasm was there for quite a while and
that at >> well because beyond them and be proactive to make sure they're doing their job but not to pay >> so that's why we should have some sort of maybe have a plan in place >> it's the county's responsibility we just have to be on them and we haven't been
>> so that's if that's a solution that's a solution, but we should have like talk to them and then have a working plan with them, the state, who whomever. >> So, >> it is a problem that that we've been talking about it for years. So, I I just want >> it's not going to go away. >> One call and it got done.
>> Um >> that's for one building. I I'm talking about >> the entire down the beach. >> All right. Could we just uh let the deputy manager chime in and then I think we >> No, I just wanted to um it is the county's responsibility and we reached out to the county and um they have been
trying to get larger equipment to use on the beach and um they finally got state approval to do that. They were not allowed to use that equipment during turtle season, which is typical. Um, but when it got to a certain level, as you said, have a plan when they they don't
haul it away. But with the heavier equipment, they were able to bury it deeper, turn it under, and that's why it looks better. The weather also helped because the winds changed. So, the combination of them using the dozer, the bigger equipment, and the weather has
helped it tremendously. He sent me a video the next day that showed how much better it is. >> Yeah. I just want to make sure that they they know exactly that they need to come out and, you know, not let it sit there and get worse. >> And maybe it's a matter of, you know, as
I said, they weren't allowed to use that other equipment until it got to a certain level. Maybe that level needs to be reduced so they can use it sooner. >> Put them on bot. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Um I think that that's it, right? The other items got deferred. >> Yes.
>> All right. So, uh meeting adjourned. We will see you all at six o'clock. Thank you.