That was you. >> All right, perfect. We will call the October 20th >> Yeah. >> meeting of the planning board to order. I think we have an echo on the front is on the left one.
>> Should I Okay, >> the only unmuted person on teams is me. Can I mute this? And >> okay, we'll try that again. working through some technical issues. Bear with us just a moment.
>> All right, I think that works. Perfect. Great. >> Called the October 20th, 2025 meeting of the planning board to order. Uh since we have members participating online and in person, we'll do a roll call just for uh participants and all the votes tonight will be taken by roll call as well. Um
so starting with Jar Germa >> here, present. Thank you. >> Bill Quinn, >> hi. >> Joe Sheridan >> here. >> Angela >> here online. >> Thank you. And uh Ted Douly present as well. All right. So our agenda, we have approval of past minutes which we will
defer to next meeting um as we don't have minutes uh prepared yet. Um, up next is petition 24-9 for 15 Manson Road. Um, requesting a site plan special permit for construction of an attached ADU comprising of 899 square ft. Is
there anyone here to speak on behalf of the applicant? >> Yeah. Uh, my name's uh, how you doing to the board? My name is John Andrews from JFA Design Group and uh, actually you said 15 Mason Road. I think it's supposed to be 15 M Street. >> Manson Street. Okay, >> that's okay. Um, okay. So, what we have
is an ADU and it's 899 square ft. Uh, in the front of the home, if you can look on the site plan, you can see where this is located. Okay. So, it's a one-story. It has two bedrooms, bath,
two baths. And if you can look on sheet EX1, that's the existing home. And then the next sheet A1 is what it shows what it looks like. It falls within the all the setback requirements falls within lock
coverage and height requirements. What we are adding to this though that's not on your site plan is a driveway. We're going to add a separate driveway in curbcut to the unit.
I have that plan with me here. If you want me to I can hand it out to you if you want to take >> Yeah, that would be okay. >> Helpful. Chris, have you had a chance to review this new filing? Okay. >> No, I'm wondering how um Angela will be able to view it.
>> I can see it as well. I have it pulled up on my screen. >> Angela, it's not in your site packet. It's something we're just seeing for the first time now. >> Okay, I see. He's handing out um plans that show driveway entrance. So, we will um figure out how to share that with you.
>> Can you just confirm the address? I think we have a couple I'm seeing a couple different addresses on the packet. It's number 15 Manson Street. Okay. >> So, there's a misspelling on the drawings that it's Mason Street. I know we tend to refer to Manson Road often,
but that's a different street. >> That's a different road. There's Mans. >> It should be Manson Street. >> Yeah, this is Manson Street, not Mason Street. >> Can you Chrisa, can you just confirm what the public advertising said about this? I just want to make sure we notified the public. >> It's actually on the plot plan. Is it
correct? Up in the corner. While we um into that, if you want to talk discuss the driveway. >> Yes. >> Continue with your presentation. Excuse me. >> Right. No. So, there'll be a driveway located there. It'll be 12 ft wide. >> Um the the new ADU addition, if you're
looking at the front of the house, is of course on the right side. That driveway will be along uh the property line which is the fence all the way up to the corner of the building right where the uh just before if you're looking at the
floor plan just before the bedroom. It's going to be a single car driveway. >> Separate driveway or is connected? >> It's a separate driveway. >> Oh, it's coming in from the rear. Did you >> Oh, it's coming in from uh
what's the name of that street back there? >> No, it's coming in from Manson Street. >> It's coming in from Manson Street. >> It just is on the corner of the plot. >> Do you you said you had that drawing with you? >> Yeah. I'm sorry. I should have passed that down. >> Oh, there's only one copy. Okay.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. So, the legal notices were sent out to Manson Road. I um and it seems like there's some new materials today anyway. Um >> so [Music]
>> so let me think about this. So I think since there was a discrepancy in the address for the notification of the hearing, we'll have to continue that. We'll have to I mean we can't even open this. It's not a valid hearing without public notification. So we'll have to punt this to our November meeting. >> Yep. >> Angela Joe, does that
>> Yeah, I think so. Makes sense. >> You're absolutely right, Ted. And um I can make a motion to continue this to um uh November. >> What's the date in November meeting? >> Second Monday. >> Uh Chrissa, do you have that date?
>> Yes. Hold on a second. >> So it gets so >> November 10th. >> November 10th. So I think what we what we'll do is since we don't have the right notification requirements, we can't open a public hearing tonight. Um, what we can do is we'll readvertise
this. We'll ensure that the addresses are correct. I would just double check through the your application package because I think there are a couple of uh different references to other streets in here. Um, but in the meantime, um, you make those changes, update this with the
site package. Two weeks out is usually our deadline for updates to the to the package for any changes to uh to a site plan application. Um, so your driveway changes here is something that we really shouldn't have been viewing for the first time tonight anyway. So, um, apologize for the delay on this, but
we'll make sure to hear you in November. And, um, like I said, if you have any updates to the application, just make sure they're all in finalized by >> two weeks prior. >> Two weeks prior, which is Monday. >> Yeah. So, that would be the 27th. >> 27th of October.
>> So, the 27th. Yep. >> Yep. That's a deadline for application packages. Um, and then the date of the meeting is the 10th. >> Oh, and the date of the meeting is actually the >> November 10th. >> November 10th. >> Mhm. >> On Monday. >> And I think we have a pretty streamlined agenda for that meeting. So, shouldn't
be. >> Can I ask a question? As far as after, you know, if everything's all set and it does get its approval, um, is site plan review a lot like with the ZVA that you have to wait 20 days? >> Yes. >> I believe >> anybody to contest it before you can
file for a building permit? That's my understanding with all of our land use decisions. >> Angela, does that align with your experience? >> Yes. >> In fact, it um it usually coordinates with since Yeah. You don't have to go to zoning for this, I'm assuming?
>> No. >> Since you're Okay. So, this would be the only permit that you need. I mean, you'd need if you had to go to zoning, you'd have the same the same thing, but um yeah, it would be 20 days from the day that you get your approval from us. No, it's 20 days from the filing of the decision.
>> Yeah, it's 20 days from the filing of when the decision hits the town clerk's office, >> right? So, >> and then after that, you can file for a building permit file as well. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. >> See you in November. >> Is there anything else missing here that we might discuss? >> Make a note of the landscaping. I mean,
not that you don't have to have a new landscaping plan, but if anything's changing >> and um because you're adding this extra driveway, I'd be I looks like you have, you know, ample open space. That's not so much my concern is if you're taking
down any trees or there's anything like that. So, we'll need to know if there's any um kind of the you know what's existing and if anything's changing in that regard. >> Yeah. To Angela's point, site plan will usually require for residential addition and new construction will require a landscaping plan. If there's no
landscaping changing, that's fine. I would just do that. Ask for a waiver in writing and notate whatever your reasons for that waiver are. Um, but also with the addition of the driveway, assuming it's pvious, um, I'm assuming it's >> impervious. >> Um, I would just update your
calculations here to show what the, um, lot coverage would be with reflecting the new driveway. >> So, is that a a standard form that you guys have if we're just keeping the landscaping the same, we're just changing the driveway, or is it something that we hand write out? >> You would hand write that out for
whatever waiver request you would like. In this case, it would be a landscape waiver. >> Okay. and whatever the reasonings you would have for that would be. >> And again, I would update the open space calculation. >> Yeah. >> Sure. >> Is there a recent one that we could refer them to just as an example?
>> There's a lot of recent ones. Um Manson Well, >> Manson Road, Zero Manson Road. >> Yeah. >> Subdivision. There was a new construction that had they had a full landscape plan, but you'll can see Yeah. >> what the full landscape plan would be. >> Yeah. Because I think what we're changing here is minimal because all the landscape now is just done on the front
of the existing home. >> Yep. So when we're adding this addition here, it's minimal. >> If you're not taking down trees, not changing, >> there's no trees there to be taken. It's a pretty clear lot. >> You can notate that. >> Yeah. >> No shrubs or bushes coming down. No, >> you can notate that in a narrative if
you are going to be planning to have any plantings around. I don't know if there's new condensers, any utilities, anything like that. Um I would show that on a on a plan. Okay. Um, but again, it's it's just from my review, it was just the landscape plan that was missing and then updated calculations on this
and then just fixing the street reference on a couple of the I think it says Mason Street on some of them. But >> they're right in that narrative you're talking about as far as the landscape. And again, it can just be handwritten out then signed by us and then included in the permit package. >> Yep. And it's just a waiver request if
that's the decision you choose. >> Yeah. Because we're really not going to change any landscape. There's nothing really there to change or add. Actually, >> I would just suggest maybe taking a look at that other one just to see how it shows it relative to the other um >> sites and also how it shows, you know, what's changing and what's not just with
the building. >> Okay. >> Did like a nice job of showing how everything was relative. I'm sure when you come back >> there might be questions about that. So, >> yeah, but you'll see I >> I can email that example. Also, I think earlier today um it was mentioned that if you're adding any lighting um
>> Oh, yes. Thank you. Stereo lighting. We would want to see details for that as well as um if there are distances to any nearby buildings. Um >> this plan should have distance from the building the nearest from your Butters buildings to the lot line and the Butters buildings to the nearest point
on your building. >> I think the only lighting that will go on here is for the front entry at the front door. >> That's fine. We just need to see where the lighting is going to be. And if you have the type of lighting you're proposing using, >> if you have it, that's helpful to show the fixture. It has to be dark sky compliant to just show showcasing what
the fixture is going to be. >> Okay. >> Um, >> so that's it. >> There's a couple things that are missing between your elevations and your plans. So the the rear door that's coming off of the bedroom. >> Yep. >> You're showing stairs and elevation and no stairs in the plan.
>> Should add those in. >> Um on the side elevation. >> Um check your foundation layout. Based on the drawing, there's some foundation that's uh not shown. Um
>> yeah, some of it is over uh is uh stepped over, you know, so it's a foot off the foundation, but it doesn't have a foundation wall. Yeah. So the the bay that's on the bedroom,
you're showing foundation under the bay on both bays on the front elevation, but on the side elevation. >> Oh, I see. >> Only shown under the front bay, not the side bay. >> Okay. >> Um what about drainage?
um >> with just water burn off for just showing a simple gutter system here. >> Yeah, that's all you're doing. That's fine for single for a single family residential construction. That's >> that's all we're going to show. So, we'll show those gutters >> facing toward the uh the yard.
>> Great. >> Okay. So the uh um the driveway is at the bottom of a hill. >> And yeah, there's a slight it it's basically up there starts to level out at grade, but yeah, it's more on the lower slope.
>> And did we say that was pvious or impervious? >> I'd be sure to notate that if it's pvious or impact and how it impacts the area coverage. >> Yeah. Yep. I show that on the >> plan I think is supposed to have some more information about the neighbors
the locations of the houses. >> Yep. >> To to like what extent to the two side neighbors or >> Yeah. Any of Butters >> any Butters? Yeah. >> Yeah. Anybody need to have distance from the their their uh dwelling um to
>> the dwelling to the property line >> to your lot line. Yep. >> Oh, okay. How far the house is away from that? >> Yep. And then you already have your distance. >> Their names as well. Yeah. >> And names. Yes. Sorry. >> And do we have are we getting staff comments on these?
>> So DPW for the new street layout. >> Well, yeah. So now that they're adding the driveway. Um we'll definitely get DPW. Um and >> there's no foam poles there. There's no fire hydrants. Is there a curb? >> Yeah, we'll we will get their comments
>> once that's updated. that goes to Concom because I think that outside of my understanding. So, okay. Um, Concom engineer. >> Hello. >> Hello. >> Hi. So, uh, I'm Mar Vic Tongen. I'm the
owner of the property and my husband Jim Tongson is is, uh, also there. So, if we actually just make a note on all of the drawings that it's not Manson, it's not Mason Street because that's a typo. and just insert the end and counter sign it.
Doesn't it make this meeting a valid meeting? >> No, because we have to do public notice in the LIN item and online to the public and send a a butters. Anyone within 300 yards has to get a note in the postal service. Um, so if we did this on Manson Road, that
>> I would probably have some impact on which a butters received notice. Yeah. And the accuracy of the the lin item thing. I know it's pretty close, but it's uh >> still want to make sure we button everything up. different >> whatever decision whatever decision you guys get, we want to make sure you can uh doesn't get challenged for any
procedural issues. >> And I I did notice that there is a 15 Manson Road because I was googling and all of a sudden I'm like this house is nowhere to be found and then I looked over and saw Mason Street that brought me to Manson Street and strangely it took me into to Lynn.
>> Um renamed the street. >> That's wild. But guess I can't trust >> Mason Street in Lynn and then it gets into swamp. >> No, it's um it's a different street in Lynn. It's uh now I can't remember >> but have you you've seen this when you >> saw the Mason Street? Yeah. When we just
moved here uh Yeah. So we looking for a package and it was in Mason Street. Where's Mason Street in Swam? There's no Mason Street. >> Yeah. >> It's in Lyn. So >> yeah. >> Well, and this one is if you if if you Google your address, your correct address. Yes, sir.
>> When you come in from the sky, they've got the street labeled as another street and they're calling it out as being in Lynn, not in swamps. >> So, your taxes just went down. >> If only our deed clearly states it's 15 Manson
Street and in the assessor's office of Swam Scott, it is 15 Manson Street. >> Okay, awesome. >> No problem. We'll make sure um you know as long as we get everything on the timeline uh we'll make sure this is rectified so we can hear you in November. >> All right,
>> John, I was mentioning that foundation thing. >> Check how you want the the foundation plan is not showing those bays. The elevation the front elevation is a side isn't. Um there's the step to the front is also missing on the drawing. So >> I was showing Yeah, the and then the two
steps to the side. I wanted the uh the base to overhang, but I'll take a look at it again. Yeah, if if that's your intent, get the lines off the the drawing. I just don't want them pouring your wrong foundation for you. >> And before we let you go, I just make sure to mention if there's any updates to utilities, there's any changes to
condensers, compressors, any outdoor utilities, make sure it's shown on the plan. And then we require screening around any of those. So, just notate what screening is going to be if it's offensive. I think >> that's a good thing to bring up. Definitely. >> So, >> all right. >> All right. We'll see you next month.
Thank you. Okay. >> All right. So, we can proceed now to petition 24-11491 Humphrey Street by Zena Glickberg, care of Ken Schutzer. I have a conflict on
this uh as a butter within 299.9 yards probably. Um, nonetheless, a conflict. So, I will seed chairmanship for this petition. Over to you, Joe. >> Great. Um >> Ken, do you just want to give us a overview of what's going on?
>> It would be my pleasure. Um approximately a year ago, actually a year ago, September, we were before the board and we were granted a site plan special permit which we requested be phased and the phasing was precipitated
for two reasons. one was for financing equity so we would be able to go back to finish it uh by providing the lender that we had in fact invested the money and therefore the value to them and their equity increased. Uh the second phasing was because of FEMA regulations
with regard to uh our proximity to a um not that you' think of us as being in a flood zone but the flood maps are what they are. So the suggestion at that point and just sort of refreshing your memory from Steve Cummings was if you
phase it and uh the overall project is less than 50% of the original value of the property um you can do it that way. So that's and that's actually in the decision. It's it's it's pretty well spelled out. Um so that that that
required that we come back before you um to inform you where we were in this project. Um I had spoken with the chair at that time just trying to get some idea exactly what the board was was looking for and um what the board what what Mr. Douly
indicated he was looking for and this is obviously the determination of the board is he wanted a narrative of you know what what's going on and what we've accomplished and and why there have been some delays and things such as that. Um and and for that reason I had asked uh
Zena uh who is a principal to provide an explanation of the delay. I she had done that and I believe that's in your package. Yeah. >> So I mean I'm sure she's glad to read it into the record but if you have it it was really based upon a couple of factors. One of which is the um original
drawings and I know that that those of you who are familiar with the original drawings there were there was some technical errors. Um so we had to go and and redo all the drawings over again and we had to rehire a a new
new architect to do that. Um and that delayed the project to some degree. The second was this was originally going to be uh heated uh by gas and um national grid was not necessarily as helpful as we thought and the project got stalled
and then we it was all converted so this is an entirely electric heated building now there's no gas am I correct correct me if I'm incorrect um the third was was something that nobody could have contemplated and fortunately Slava who is here with me this evening uh spent a
couple of months in the hospital uh he had without getting into his hospitalization, he was off the project for a couple of months. Um but those of you I'm not sure if any of you have gone in, but I know the building inspector has and is signed off on the first three units. Um so we're making we're making
significant progress and our expectation will be is that this project will be buttoned up and ready to go um in the in the next year. What still has to be done though is there's a bump out that was contemplated in the original set of plans that hasn't yet been has been
done. Um but the the plans the footprint the exterior and I'll get into a couple of minor modifications uh is what was originally presented. U so there's no material changes. There were some minor modifications that were more precipitated by some information on our
original set of drawings which turned out to be incorrect. Yeah, we have a U. This I can if >> Yeah, you can. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, you can go up here. Why don't you take this up with you? >> You know, you always like the before and after. This is the
>> Yeah, I think >> this first page. >> Okay. And this is >> okay. We also I have provided you, but these are the the larger versions of the before and after on the I'm just if you need these these are the sets
before and after. So what you see is the project and the renderings. It's obviously hasn't been fully painted, hasn't been fully finished, but this This is the
finished project. Many of you, and I'm sure you all drive by it probably every day, have have seen what has transpired. Um, is it exactly what the original two modifications? One, you can explain
about the window. >> We made this. >> Angela, can you see what we're looking at? >> Yeah. If we want, if you want us to move around different way, >> figure out how to get she can see it. There we have it.
Oh, now it is visible. >> And Ken, is there a place on the plans where we can see the changes? >> There should be. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, this place right here, this was wider here. I'm not explaining it in your language, but it's it's became
narrower because of the height of the building code of the >> because the building integration old building and the new construction, we had to drop down and that became
slower than originally drawn on the plants. >> And um >> so basically the beam that is shown on these two um pillars grew. >> Yes. >> And then we had to remove a couple windows from the original rendering.
>> So this windows here, we had double windows right here. We took them out because When we physically stood in the rooms in the bedroom, it would not make any sense because there was practically no walls to put any furniture or anything like that. >> Mhm.
>> So that's the only changes we've made. >> The um so this is the rendering of the ex the Now there's there's quite a few discrepancies on this from what is built. So, um, one thing is the fact that there's trim on the windows which
were on the original proposals and and they're lacking on the building. It's it's basically a nail thin window with shingles right up to it. And then the other thing is that the proportions and sizes of the windows um on the on the
rendering don't match the house um or the building currently that the front windows that are to the left of the porch are shorter probably counter height windows. So you have small windows on the first floor and then larger windows on the second floor. So
there's a number of things and then the columns got eliminated and there's sort of an a a horizontal window. >> This actually this column doesn't exist. There is a white um dream board. Yeah. >> This doesn't exist. >> Yeah. And it's it's a it's a pretty it's
a it's pretty awkward um as a facade um just in the sense it isn't matching what was presented to us, but it's also sort of nebulous in its style. you've got the double windows and the doors behind a a window opening instead of um treating it
more like a porch. So, it was a little surprising to see it and it's surprising to see the asbuilt rendered in a way that doesn't actually match as it was built. So, >> this we just got today. >> Yeah. >> So, we the architect sort of
>> So, I sent this out for someone that I know to draw it for me based on the uh drawings there. >> Yeah. But but the the as built if this is supposed to be as built, it should actually be as it is built, not as it was designed if there's a discrepancy.
>> So I'm just pointing that out. So it's >> your point is well taken. It's just we just got this today where we're trying to get everything together for you. >> Yeah. >> No, but I just I just wanted to say if this is being presented and we're talking about this image, it doesn't actually match what >> the image that that we'll we need to
provide, I guess, before we wrap this up will be an actual image. is what? >> Correct. Correct. And you'll see you'll see that the windows >> the windows are full here. >> No, no, here these two windows here are smaller than the windows above. And here
they're shown larger than the windows above. It's a it's a small thing, but it is something that that shows that that any documentation should match one explanation for that. I understand it's not exactly how this picture it is. You
know, I think without short circuiting the process at all, the the actual asbuilt will be after it's as built rendering. We were trying to get you >> something and apparently there was a discrepancy in in that particular
rendering. >> No, I just I just want to point it out. >> Oh, no, no, no. I'm I'm glad you did. >> Reported um because of the nature of the >> I I would >> I mean, we tried we really really tried to keep to what you guys reimagined the house to be built because we we still
kind of went with the style that you suggested. So by doing that, I mean those windows were much more expensive for me because they had grids and I asked if we could do like if we could do lemonade grids, but they suggested that we do grids. So we even did that. >> So right here on the front
of the bedroom, uh because we have integration of old structure and the new structure, the floors are actually much higher. Mhm. >> So you would be violating the code how far you can go from.
>> So you had to shrink those. Yeah. So it's it's just getting it recorded I think is is important there. >> No, I I I I think what they're saying is is this isn't perfect. Ultimately what is built will mirror what the rendering
will be that we'll be providing when when we're finishing. >> Yeah. >> But we passed rough. So, we're ready to close the walls. >> The insulation is done. >> So, we made pretty big progress when from when we started, even though we had to stumble upon
>> a lot of setbacks. Yeah. You're looking good. You feeling, >> you know, I told him the same thing. >> Yeah. Good. Yeah. >> A lot of adjustments, you know, cuz he's a he's a hand-on contractor. So, now that he has a defibrillator, he can't >> work with a lot of tools, so he has to get more teams going >> everywhere. But that's that's okay.
We'll still But um Our biggest setback was even not even his his sitation in the hospital is the gas company. >> Yeah. >> That kept saying, "Okay, we need we need a couple more weeks. Couple more weeks." And it took two months to just let us know that >> there's a culvert.
>> Culver I fixed that on the road so that we can't go under it and if we do it's going to cost us a million dollars which is not worth building. So, >> so we went, we already bought the systems, we have them in the building, but now we have to go over all electric.
>> So, my understanding is that that culvert would have been shown on the um the original plans when you when you bought the site. So, if I'm looking at those original plans, I can see a culvert there. So, you know, could I
imagine you should have been able to, you know, get this information well ahead of time. I just I don't understand why >> I don't think the source would be the source would be ever source not that that's not something a contractor would necessarily >> so correct we did we did know this but
but there was gas in the house so we thought that we have a gas in the house >> we will do the six systems we'll do we already had gas >> all we have to do is just increase the pipe size >> and zero >> when you're increasing pipe size you not necessarily have to dig the street and
in this case you Right. So it sounds like >> you're also in a flood zone which changes the you know which is a huge part about any kind of underground work in a flood zone which is why there are so many restrictions around working in flood zones. Um but at any event um well
I understand that you know I understand that this obviously these things caused a lot of delays. I'm just looking at this picture you have up on the screen and I'm really not understanding that that rectangular window in the front of the building that sort of opening and I
understand you're talking about code but when we first talked about this this entryway I mean it was like a railing there was a railing so it looks like this whole area that's white when you're looking at the building you can't even see the tops of those windows on the inside makes the that little inside
hallway I don't know really what it does Um I'm not as good at you know fa you know being um describing those faces as as Jar might be for example but beyond um my understanding about the 42 in you
have to have the right height. I mean, why is it block? Why is why does it look like that? And why isn't it a railing? And you know, um, all you need was a railing that's 42 in high, not an entire wall >> closing down in it. That makes no sense
to me. As as we were doing this inspection, um we spoke to the inspector and we actually came up with a plan to reduce this section this section here uh to lower it down and do the rad.
>> So if you if you if you've insisted insisted on it, we would do that. >> I would >> I'm sorry. >> If you insisted on lowering that section, we could do a railing there. But that's not the original plan. We didn't have a railing there in the original plan.
>> I guess I'm I'm looking at a plan where it shows the railing. Maybe that was the first iteration. I have it's your it's in the package here, you know, prior to from back in uh July or September, I think. Um the plans that we looked at had railings there just like your back
door does. >> Yeah, the opening actually was w why there were original plans. Uh but I I do agree. I don't I don't like it myself. That's true. I'm I'm I think that it's aesthetically not working on the front,
but I'm also thinking there's value in lowering that for the for the unit because I'm assuming these are are condos. >> Yes. >> Very dark. I mean, >> so I I would think that that those front areas to get more light in there,
>> it would it would benefit. Um >> would you allow if you put regular PVC railings here and integrate them into this because that's what I would personally want to make an opening and bring more light in. >> One one of the things you could consider
doing would be aligning the top of the solid wall with the window sill of the windows in the back and then having a small rail on top of that. So, so go with a column instead of the the way this is picture framed
>> portion of the rail. Right. >> Right. So, so you don't you >> so lower it >> lower the wall and then bring it the put a rail on top of the solid wall so you have light coming right PVC on top of so cut this and then put PVC on top
>> maybe to make >> but I would I would align it with your window sill on the windows behind. Yeah. So you've got a nice plane running around that space. And then put put a a lighter rail so people so you're getting
light back to that. And then the other thing that I would recommend would be as you taking this apart >> right now it's picture framed which doesn't really have any sort of you're that the house itself or the building itself has architectural reference to to
things. I would suggest doing it wouldn't even have to be a radical departure. You could do square but but lightening it so it isn't so heavy and reads like a sort of reads like a um a window
>> much thinner. >> Yeah. >> Drop it down to%. >> Yeah. And then you can then you can get that height with a light rail and sort of hold it back towards the deck and you'll get a lot more light in and it will also balance the uh the front of
that cuz I'm the second person to suggest it. >> Good. >> Only only the second >> but I think that'll that'll make that'll make sense of that elevation because that elevation isn't making as much sense as it should now. So, I guess, you know, could we get a
plan that just shows these minor changes? Like, what's the easiest way to >> It sounds like you guys came to us to get approval for a couple. >> Well, we got we're we're asking for the approval, not necessarily for any of the technical aspects, giving us giving us the additional year. Yeah. Okay. and and
in during that time um you know if you as a condition that we will be providing you prior to the ultimate building u certificate of occupancy I guess or the building sign off um these plans I don't think it requires um you know anything
more than just you you're reviewing with the building commissioner um but yeah it it will the ultimate rendering isn't going to look like this it's going to be changed there's there's some technicalities that I was not aware of my my eye is not nearly as keen as yours, but obviously the change in this
is and that will be reflected on those plans. >> And uh please if you drive by and you see something, say something, you know, one of the >> stealing from the MBTA. >> Uh >> so the the request is just an extension.
>> Yeah. As long as we're comfortable that whatever minor changes be made just be administrated and you're comfortable. >> Yeah. Well, I'll make sure >> with windows. I told you guys, >> you know, I think the best bet would be if if either jurors or maybe you, Joe, would you can just talk to the building before we get any certificate of
occupancy that you'll have a chance just to >> Yeah, sounds right. Because I assume you want to have this conversation on a day like today rather than >> there's no need to bring me in on something. >> No, but Krista may >> I don't know where it goes filewise, Joe.
>> Okay. >> Do you need the rendering? an email. >> Uh I don't Do we need the rendering if there's going to be a new rendering? I don't >> That's true. So, >> do you want this one? >> I guess we should take it if we didn't have it. >> Yeah. >> I guess what I'd like to see is do we have, you know, do we have the actual
plans of what we approved for this for the phase one compared to what I'm looking at now? >> You do that was submitted that has been submitted. >> That was submitted earlier. Can >> we look at them? Is there any way we can
see them side by side? >> I feel like I'm, you know, trying to switch between screens here and figure out what I'm looking at. And um >> I can pull them up, Angela. >> Wasn't the one that we originally Oh, that's right.
>> I can do my best side. The updated ones. >> Okay. We submitted I'm just trying to get some background for you. Um when we ran into some issues with the prior architect who can remain nameless um we resubmitted the new set of plans to
Marissa um so you'll see the dates on those plans that go back um and those were the plans they they were working on when they realized that these discrepancies were going to cause and some undue issues that were going to be coming up. Um >> but those >> but those those are those are in the
file. these the uh plans that we built off of and and the ones that you currently have now are the existing ones as to as far as the work has been done consistent with that. You know it basically with the site plan
and this is not my purview but it's the exterior of the building but most of the changes were occasioned by interior issues that we ran into which were unforeseen. Well, you know, I can't >> I would also I'd also say this in all in all fairness.
This is so rare that you ever have an opportunity. You know, we we walk away with a set of plans and uh ultimately what's built isn't always exactly what was this is this is a second tier approach only because of the phasing
that puts us in this position. Now, I think every applicant should have as plans submitted before We do can we do have the it's in the bylaw now and you have to have an asbuilt plan. >> Well, if in fact that's being done. >> I mean whether or not it's being uh
whether or not our uh building commissioner is is um you know enforcing that is that's not a conversation I'm going to have right now. But >> no I I don't I I I understand no sir I
understand Mr. the the change in the bylaw and in fact if in it's followed I think it's a great idea to ensure that everybody stays as honest as they propose they are going to be when the project is built the reality
is sometimes things don't always work out exactly not because of of of either lack of due diligence or not being candid at the beginning it's things come up um but I I I would hate to see somebody having to redo their structure
because of some minor technical. I think ultimately what we're trying to accomplish though is get this project done as close to the original application as we can. I think if you show see a material change as opposed to a minor change, then I I think you're
there has to be some way of of of dealing with it. I'm not sure quite how to do it because I haven't seen it done before. >> I I think the the thing the few things that we're talking about are sort of landing in an area that you agree with. Yes, I'm not I'm not in disagreement.
>> You know, that's that's the the thing I want to point out. Um I think these are both the same. >> These are the two versions that were submitted by Ken earlier today. So they're not exactly the same.
>> Well, these the ones that we >> But these are not these are not the ones that we voted on. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But which is a a different step. But that's that's something. But I would say Joe in terms of I think tonight, you know, I think well I'm gonna I'm going to open
it up first like public comment then we can talk briefly. But you know if the main the main focus tonight is just an extension of time, right? So I think we can have this conversation later. But if there are other things that people want to throw out there, now is probably a good time since we're talking about it. So >> I think it's a very healthy discussion.
>> Yeah. Um but uh Ken, what what is the extension that you're looking for exactly? What dates to what dates? >> I would ask for what do you think? Another year. >> We should be completely done. >> Completely done with phase one. >> With phase one and two one and two.
>> We need to be >> okay. >> As much as we enjoy coming, we would like to. >> So what is the deadline on phase one right now? It was about Yeah, it was about >> And how far away are you from completion? >> We we already passed rough inspection in phase one and phase one is the I guess
was the biggest portion of it because we had to rebuild when we have to extend and you build new it's much quicker than rebuilding it. >> So when we rebuilt the house we uh we started but again we hit the winter the winter months everything got delayed. Um,
so we at the rough inspection. We already passed it like few weeks ago. We're ready to close the walls. >> We passed fire. We pass rough. We pass plumbing. We pass electrical. Uh, this week >> sprinkler >> sprinkler. And I need to this week. Uh,
all of my insulation is already done. Spray foam is done up on the ceiling in on the attic ceiling. Um, and I'm planning to do uh insulation inspection and hopefully next week I'm going to start closing the walls. >> So technically, what do we considered
done when we do something at phase one? >> Is there any guidance on that or >> the finish? I'm assuming the finishes aren't done or you know, you couldn't move in tomorrow like the are the floors in or the walls painted? I mean, I'm assuming that's not part of it.
>> No, the r the rough is done is what you've said. Yeah. >> Thanks. >> So, do we I guess how much time do they need for phase one, I guess, is the root of the question. So, if phase one doesn't get completed until the
carpeting is down and the, you know, the dishes are in the cabinets, then that's one date. If it can be done after a rough, then it's a different date. I I think for financing purposes, you know, the phase one that we've accomplished and and the permits that we've received
will allow for that refinancing to have occurred. You know, they're not looking for, you know, a move in date yet for anybody because, you know, ultimately nobody wants to move in if there's still being construction done on the other side of the wall. >> I will tell you one thing just so because I actually was inside.
>> Most of phase two is already done. It's just the push out part hasn't been done. So if you go in, you'll see the stairs leading to the other units of phase two. >> Doors are put in. >> So it's it's a lot of that's already been done when they were inside redoing the building, structurally supporting
the beams. I I mean you >> this is something interesting. >> Prepared for phase two. How about how about we open it up to public comment for a minute just to see if anybody here is here for that and then we as the we can open it up back over to the board and we can ask any questions that we want. Um, so, uh, we'll close Ken's
presentation and open it up to public comment. I don't know if anybody here or is anybody online here to comment on this? >> Okay. If none, then I'll close public comment and we can just go right back to your line of questions, Bill. >> Uh, so, so back to the root of why
they're here, right? So, they want a time extension and I I just am trying to get some guidance on what time we gave them or when it's due versus what they're asking for now. And then it would make logical sense to me that the same duration that we had previously for
the phase two would be tacked on to the end of whatever this extension is. So if they tell us they need another two months to finish phase one, then you know we just do the math for phase two adding the last phase two timing. That's what I'm trying to figure out. >> I think these two phases can be done
concurrently. I think now that we're at this point where we've gotten the signoffs, we can actually start doing more work on on phase two and we'll now be able to do the push out on the back which will allow I think what the kitchens are going in there uh for the other units. So, and that's already in the original
footprint. So, it it this is more of a technical exercise. >> Yeah. >> And than it is in terms of of true phasing where and you do one one set of units and then you do another set that you've contemplated conceptually. This
is all done at once. I mean, everything that you see that's there is going to be there except for the bump out in the back. >> Right. So, we've already approved the phase two. So yes, you have you proved phase two indirectly by approving phase one because the original application
asked for the six units. We asked for the phasing. We're the ones that created this this responsibility to come back before you. It's not that you told us we had to do it this way. We said, can we do it this way? Because it allow us to get our financing so we can finish.
Plus, it would from from a FEMA's perspective, it allowed us to do it this way. As you'll may recall, the back end of that building will be on on pylons, whereas the rest of the building is on the existing foundation, >> right? We did that all during the site review and I remember we we
>> yeah, >> you know, approved the phase two part, so we know exactly what's coming. >> Again, the only thing that I'm still unclear on is when that phase one was supposed to end by >> I don't think there was any specific timeline. I think we were supposed to
end the whole project which now that I'm thinking it's was a little bit overzealous in one year the decision >> um >> I'm sorry >> your decision was one year you you know one year that was one year for the whole project >> for the whole project is that were you
recollected Angela >> well it's it said we contemplated that we would find ourselves needing to come back and that's why there was this administrative review >> um you know clearly we couldn't define things that we were >> I I have no problem with the time. I
have no problem with the plans. I I do think that there are some things that I think they're willing to do that make it closer to >> Yeah. You know something? Every one of these suggestions I think has ultimately resulted in these units being worth more. >> You know, because it's all these are
numbers. This is what what they're dealing with. >> But tonight, >> we have to make it work. But tonight, our technical challenge here. >> So if if you think and and believe me, it didn't occur to me that the people in the front unit will now have more light and therefore ultimately when they go in to look at the unit they're buying, it looks brighter inside. I suspect that's
going to help be helpful. I don't look at that and see that, but you did. So we have no problem. That's not telling us we got to tear the roof down like they had on that other unit that was down the street. You may remember that one when the guy just put this addition on and
without a permit. But this is just trying to work out these technicalities and we're more than willing. >> Ken, how much time do you think you realistically need just to like get anything done? >> 14 months. Let me do 14 months. >> 14 months. >> I thought you just said a year. >> Yeah. I just said 12 or 14. >> When you said the word realistically,
she looks at me like real probably closer to 14 months. Um, so I guess my thing I I thought I thought we were going to get a little bit closer to today rather than go the the other way. So maybe just I think I'd be okay saying a year because if this is supposed to be done now and you know
let's see like how it goes. I prefer you guys not have to come back to us. But I feel like you know >> the coming back part you know you give a permit to to build so long as the building is going on we don't have to come back. It's if there was a cessation in the time and therefore the permit
lapsed because we didn't act on the permit uh after we got some relief then we'd have to come back and ask you once again. This as I said was self-imposed. We forced ourselves to come here so we could then go to FEMA or we could then go to the lender and say look we have
now gotten the the sign off on part A as opposed to asking for the sign off on the whole building which we knew we couldn't possibly do with the amount of financing that we had to do how much we've done. So the timing part w was almost immaterial. It was the the
phasing part, the creating two pieces of this puzzle that had to fit together from FEMA's perspective because what happened is the building inspector will then do an evaluation for FEMA as well as for the banks and >> yeah no I think I think we understand that.
>> Okay. I I didn't want to be repetitive. I just want to make sure I communicated. >> I don't know. >> I do want to ask just a question in general. the um what are the what is the risk to the town or to the adjacent neighbors if this was 14 months
versus 12 months? >> Yeah, I guess just you know we have these timelines we want projects to stay on pace. I feel like projects had always you kind of I mean look there they they want people to get they want to complete it as fast as possible right they don't make any money until they get in there
>> get it done faster 12 months but I'm just thinking ahead that I mean >> and you're looking back at the last few months of what has happened >> emergencies happen we have to hire can and I mean as much as we love him so it's >> so
I'm read I'm I'm reading our our decision from last September >> which was Um it was filed on September 30th with the um the Cuptown clerk. So you know it's a couple weeks ago. So um
our conditions for approval were there shall be fencing along the rear line of the property all landscaped and shall be done with native species. That said the applicant and project shall comply with all town departments and other applicable boards committees for any
additional necessary. You said you went to the fire department and so forth and you got their okay to determine that the fire trucks have the adequate turning radius. >> It was done at the beginning. >> It was at the beginning >> and with the department of health and ensure that the dumpster complies with
any and all regulations. I guess that's for the construction purposes. And then it says if within 10 months of the date hereof the applicant does not reasonably expect the project to be complete within 12 months which as we know it's not um
of the date hereof or if the project is not actually complete within 12 month period then the applicant shall prepare a development impact statement and provide any other information that may be required pursuant to section 5625 of
the zoning bylaw to be submitted to the board and subsequently reappear before the board for administrative review. So um so you're calling this the administrative review, but we don't have any kind of a development impact statement. Is that right?
>> No, that's not exactly correct. Uh the developmental impact statement was never required for the original but we provided you with all of the rec prerequisites to that which would be the registered engineer, the registered landscape architect. All of that was was
done. Um it was not done under the developmental impact statement criteria which is controlled by you which you have the sole discretion. I I didn't appeal the decision because I thought that that was an error because there was never a requirement that we provide
more information or redo all of our technical specs again. That was never it. And as a matter of fact, you know, I did reach out I I I reached out to Mr. Douly who's can if he wishes to opine. I I said it's here. He said, "No, I we
need a narrative. You explain to me what's going on." Um, and you provide us with the before, you provide us with and tell us whatever technical changes that you have defined as minor. Um, so long as there's no material change and and
Mr. Douly can correct me if he thinks my my characterization of what he told me is incorrect. And we did that. Um, there was never a requirement that we come back with a developmental impact statement. If you ever read your own zoning, your your own bylaw, you'll realize that it's never was ever
anticipated for a project that has already been designed and approved. >> I think what Angela's point though is that if you had known about the way things were going, you should have come to us with that. But but I'm going to just say, you know, personally, I feel
like we all want this project to like, you know, >> do well. Um it's right on Humphrey Street. You guys are clearly making progress. you just need a little bit more time. So, I I personally wouldn't feel like we have to hold them to that. They've had some health issues and some other things that I think are
forgivable, but I think what Angela's point though is that there were things in the decision that said, you know, X, Y, and Z were going to be done, and I don't know that those were done. >> Well, two things. I I I point in bringing it up, Mr. Schutzer, was just to make sure that we just went back there so we the whole board could say,
"Okay, this is what we said, but here's where we're at." So, I thought it was important to bring that upside. >> Angela, could you tell us what exactly that because I don't I I don't have any internet and I I don't have the the decision in front of me. What exactly is the extension that we're like what are
we saying? What's the phrasing that we're using to >> Well, the phrasing that was used here, it it said if within 10 months of the date hereof, which was September 30th, 24, >> the applicant does not reasonably expect the project to be complete within 12
months. of the date hereof. Or if the project is not actually complete within such 12 months, then the applicant shall prepare a demolition uh excuse me, development impact statement and provide any other information that may be
required pursuant to section 5625 of the zoning bylaw to be submitted to the board and subsequently reappear before the board for an administrative review. So I think what we can do here if the other members
you know agree is as we go through this discussion make sure that whatever we decide tonight we reference back to this so that you know we we just have so that everything's nice and clean. >> You know at this point we understand
what the what the delays have been. We get it. So what if we just extend what if we took that 10-month period of time and extended that 14 months and that's essentially a year from today and if you're not done within a year from today then I think we would really expect you
to come back with you know a much heavier um you know application. >> I have I have three comments to make. First was I met with Marissa on time. I said this is what it says. I want to be on your agenda. Well, you can't be. You just we
have too many things. Don't worry. You know, you have you came here. You asked for the time. I said, she said, I can't get you in the agenda. Maybe October if I'm, you know, I said, okay, so long as you're okay. I just I was there. I physically presented myself on time. The
fact I'm here today is because you couldn't put us on your schedule. >> And can I would I would say to September 30th, this is the next meeting. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> You know, so that's that's just I I I do I mean I I do agree on that. >> The other part was the other part was
this. >> We never heard that you were going to require it. It was in that decision. I didn't write the decision. Generally, I'm called upon to draft decisions for for the boards that I appear and this board. Marissa wrote that decision. I
didn't take exception and say because what happens is I also asked and this is a wonderful opportunity to voice my thoughts. I hope it is anyway is I asked to have an opportunity to review the decision before it got filed. I said can I look at it to make sure that I agree
my memory and your memory are the same. She said I got to get permission. It ended up getting filed. I saw that dis. There was never an agreement that we had to come back and present provide a full dis. I then read the bylaw. It said any
requirements is at the sole discretion of the board. Theoretically, I would be asking this board to opine that those requirements as detailed in 52 whatever those numbers are be waved so we don't have to come back with full set of
engineered plans, another landscaping plan. I mean, this we're now talking tens of thousands of more dollars of soft costs that were never anticipated. What you anticipated was my request to come back before you to ask you to phase this project so they could get their
financing and we wouldn't have to tear down this building to to put filings in order to meet FEMA requirements. I told you that at the beginning. This was nothing that was, you know, a slight of hand. This was all presented to the board because I didn't want them to go
and spend a nickel until I knew that everything we were doing was going to pass muster. and we have done everything we possibly can. I think you should be proud of this building. I don't know if they're going to make any money, but but this is a project that that's that's something that's meaningful to them.
These are two individuals. This is not a construction firm. This is this is Mr. and Mrs. Glickberg who are trying their very best. And at every opportunity, we would go and speak to the building inspector who's, by the way, has changed. Our town planner has changed,
but we've been forthright. And I I I don't know if Miss Epito is suggesting anything to the contrary. I'm not suggesting she is, but we have been we have been on board with trying to be as open as we possibly can. When we learned about the issue with from the building inspector about the height of the porch,
they were on it immediately. They they they worked something out that was going to make building code requirements, but obviously it was going to be different from what the planning board did on site plan review. I'm not challenging that. I'm just trying to explain that these
are hardworking people that have tried to do their very best. >> I I don't want to speak for Angela, but I I think Angela's point is actually just going through and and stating what was here. We do have a change in staff and everything else. I don't think there's an accusation coming out of it.
And correct me if I'm I'm wrong. >> No, no, you're right, Jar. >> Yeah. This is this was just >> I think it was important that we start from where we left off. >> Yeah, that's all. and and I would >> we're just trying to move forward on a on an extension here >> and I I would personally say that DIS
>> there's no reason to do it and I don't think we're suggesting that that >> you know the irony is I I've not seen dises done on any project to this to the degree to which a dis is identified in your bylaw. It is such an ownorous responsibility
that that it would probably preclude 90% of the of the projects ever done that required site plan. Um but it got somehow got invol you know when I used the phasing which came from that dis section the whole section got incorporated in the decision which was never the intent.
>> Y well that's >> yeah you know we can always go back and look at the tape and at any event it that isn't so important right now. What's important right now is that I fel felt it was meaningful for the board and for all of us to look at exactly how we
left it when we made a decision so that we have we can actually connect what we're doing tonight with what we're going to vote on tonight so that >> yes so what do we feel about >> and Joe I thought I thought Joe's suggestion of of based on the fact that
we're at the 10 months >> right >> as to as of September 30th that the 14-month extension makes sense. Um, >> if they could do it any sooner, it's it's >> I don't think they'll be penalized if they do it sooner,
>> to the context, >> but to not have to not have to pause and come back for approval. >> I'm just trying I'm just trying to be as conservative by asking for more than I'm going to actually need. >> But I think I think being conservative in this way would actually get the
project done sooner than if they ran out of time. It had to be paused. They had to come back. And if the point is getting it done, I I do think the 14 months does not allow it to go on for two years. It it lets it go on for a
second year. >> Go bankrupt if it >> So, just to make sure we're on the same page, >> yeah, >> what we're saying is that we're going to amend the decision to change 10 months to 14 months in that one line. I'd also ask you to amend the decision regarding
the ownerous dis >> condition that was never intended and I mean you're sort of pretending it doesn't exist but it got in there and I don't want to run into a situation which says technically you have not comported with the requirements as Mr. Sure.
>> I believe that was administrative and not by the board. Is that correct, Angela? >> Um, I really don't know. Tell you the truth. >> I don't remember. I don't have >> I don't have any recollection of a conversation in here about about it. >> I tell you that we have to go back and listen to the tape.
>> Yeah. >> And that's the only way to know for sure. At this point, I I think that that's not what we're dealing with here. We're dealing with a timing issue. So, so if that's the case, you know, even I I have no memory of it, but it doesn't
really matter. It doesn't even matter what it what it said and what happened. What matters is this is an unappealed decision which is the state of the responsibility that we are have to follow. I I mean every wrong decision that that goes unappealed, it becomes a
right decision. So this is what we're working with. So, I need this decision to to be amended as part of our administrative hearing process to obviate the responsibility to do something that nobody requires us to do, nor does anyone suggest we do.
>> To be honest, I didn't know that that was going to be a part of this meeting. You know, >> you know, it wasn't until my agenda or radar to take it out. And I haven't, to be honest, spent a lot of time thinking about the implications of removing the dis. >> Well, you can wave it. You can wave the
provision. You right now have the authority to wave any provisions of a dis. >> I'm not willing to do that until I listen to the tape. >> Well, let let me ask you this. >> I think I think I I look I I'm just going to say I think I think we're generally agreed on the the extension.
>> Well, this I think the last way you phrased it confused me a little bit. >> Okay. Sure. >> So, uh let's just run through it one more time. I apologize. So, there's a lot of other things that are creeping into the conversation. >> We're here just for the time extension. >> Right. Right. Everybody on the same page there? >> You're here for administrative review on
the phasing >> because >> that's that's where we I specifically said we have to come back so we can we can complete the first phase, >> get the building permit approved so we could then apply for the second building permit and that's why that's why this
whole >> Sure. but there's this explanation of delay and look I I I think we're we're totally sympathetic to the reason for the delay. Everybody wants the project to get done. This doesn't mention anything about the dis or anything like that. And I feel like we just haven't had enough time to think about that aspect of it. I think we're all aligned
on getting you the extension that you want. >> No, I I I feel and I I do also think we should have the the town staff review how this made its way in which would be a review of our meeting. >> Um if it is not showing up in the
meeting notes, my sense of this was it was an administrative action. >> That was my understanding. I saw What we we should continue as a conversation is right now if that's if that's something that is in there and it's it it's something that's being done
administratively, we have to see where it sits in the bylaws. >> I'm sorry, Jar, I didn't catch that last part. >> It it seems like if if this has happened, it was either an interpretation of the bylaws or it's in the bylaws and if it's something that needs to be reviewed, we should be
reviewing it and get it out of the bylaws. No, it belongs it gives you authority which you which you need. >> The question the question is that the intent of this process was not to do a new project a year from now.
>> It was the same project that needed to be phased. A dis is a very comprehensive process requiring all registered individuals in the detail in those sections is and I saw that but at that point I didn't see
it till a decision had already been filed and the 20 days had elapsed. >> Right. But I think what we're saying is that we don't remember everything that went on at the meeting. We'd have to go back and look at the tapes to see it. And I think we're all I think we all appreciate the fact that it could be pretty ownorous and if it's something that would just slipped in there, it's
not our intent to to keep it in there, but we need to check and see how >> sure how that even ties into what we're doing tonight. >> That was the whole point. >> Let's get the timing figured out, >> right? Because that's what we're here for, the timing. We'll figure out the the >> the other thing. >> So, I was going to let the issue go by,
but but since this epito >> Yeah, that's fine. I think I but I think we've addressed it now. If it I think I think what you're hearing is that the board just speaking being for myself. I think what you're hearing is that the board's generally open to revisiting this if this is something that got in there by an error or something like that. But we are not in a position right
now to talk about it. And we want to extend the project. So >> I I'm just don't want to leave any stone unturned. I don't want to start spending tens of thousands of dollars to then be told that oh by the way I think we're still going to require a dis. Yeah. I
need some assurance. It can be a straw vote. It it can be a sense of the board. It doesn't even require >> I guess to go to your question about the timing. Uh what I was saying is that the 10 months >> there's been I mean >> the the time you talking
>> Yeah. by by 10 months. So I guess by July 31st. >> Well, September 2024 was when >> was the 10 month. >> Yeah. Well, then it was 20 days from that date because that was I needed that the appeal period ran the date of the decision. >> July July was the 10-month mark.
>> So 10 month mark previous to July >> was July. So what I was saying was that we would amend the decision by just changing that 10 month to you know if we want to give them a year then we would say 14 months >> more than that >> or if we want to give them 14 months we would say 16 months. They had they had a
year they had notified by by this and they had to if they weren't going to finish it they had to come in >> right if they didn't think that they were going to complete um >> now now this 10 months if we change that to 14 that doesn't bring us enough time for
them to finish. >> No it doesn't >> well if they need >> so we need an additional 14 months from today to end of project >> right so so right yeah so um So today is uh what September
>> 20 from today >> September 25 then 10 uh 14 12 14 so 14 months from from then which is what >> 16 months >> November of
>> we're just we're just changing the 10 we're just adding on to the 10 whatever time they need. So whatever I think that's the easiest way to do it. We could we could also just say right now we're going to give them until >> Can we have till January January the 1st? >> January the 1st. >> January 1st, 2027.
>> Yeah, >> that sounds like a date. >> Okay, >> thank you. >> So, we're going to replace 10 months with January 1st, 2027. >> Yeah. >> So, that's 14 months from now, >> correct? >> Correct.
>> Angela, is there a section in the decision? That's >> if you want to just do one change, you change this 10 to 20. >> I'm sorry. >> We're just going to change 10 months to January 1st, 2027. >> Okay. >> Is there a section of the um of the decision that I can reference?
>> Um it's uh under conditions for approval and it's number four. >> That's correct. >> Does someone want to make a motion? Um I would make a motion to extend the um the decision to January 1st, 2027.
>> Could I could I ask just one question before the vote is taken? And the question the question is what would be the process for amending the decision? Does it require that that there could be an administrative without our presence
to correct that? I mean otherwise we got to come back to just clean up this >> only if you don't complete the project by >> by January >> 2727. >> Okay. If that's the case, >> we because I don't anticipate that the
building commissioner is going to be controlled by that portion of the provision of the conditions which talks about a dis. Um he won't. He's looking at it very differently. Your board though has brought this issue up and I think I just think it needs resolution
because you're suggesting technically that we're in violation of the condition that allows us to ask for the extension and yet you're granting the extension. So in inferentially by granting the extension you are amending the decision.
>> We are amending the decision. >> Okay that's that's thank you. Yeah. I mean, the amendment is is the extension, >> right? Yeah. >> Right. And that's the part that we're we are we are prepared to to change tonight. That's what we're looking at.
>> Yes. Thank you. >> So moved. Do you do Sorry. Could you just say it? Could you >> Okay. So this is amending the um amending the period to end on January 1st, 2027
for both phases. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Amending the period under condition number >> number four. >> Yep. >> Second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> Uh you have to do roll call. Oh, do Angela's not here. Okay. Can we do a roll call? Um,
>> no. >> Angela, >> Angela is I >> Jer. >> Yes. I >> Bill >> I, >> J Sheridan is here. >> Okay. Um, all those in favor? >> I I Angela votes I.
>> I think when we did it. >> Okay. Does that count? Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's just a roll call. Okay. >> Thank you. >> All right. Close it with that. >> Thank you. >> Excellent. Thank you very much.
I'll I'll take you outside. >> Good night now. >> Thanks, Joe, for filling in. >> My pleasure. >> I was happy to spectate. All right. I hope I didn't mischaracterize any of our conversation. >> All good.
>> All right. Next, we have uh Delmomar Swampscott Hotel. Just for context, I'm going to give some background why we're seeing this today and then I'll hand it over to um Chris to speak on behalf of the Office of Community Development and then Dixon Mallerie who I believe is
with um Clear View uh Investments and Hospitality Group to speak on behalf of the the proponent here. Traditionally, we would see this for a site plan at some point in the future, and at some point, we will see this as part of a site plan application in the
future. We're seeing this now because as part of the select board's land development agreement with Clear View, um they have to provide input on schematic design for the hotel and that's part of their ground lease LDA.
They have asked us for comment and this is our chance to provide comment to the select board as part of their review as per their LDA. So that's why we're here today. That's what we're going to hear from uh the applicants here. And um at the end of this, we'll be compiling the
comments that we have and provide tonight to be sent to the select board in writing for their consideration. Um I believe they're going to be reviewing this at their next meeting and uh advancing on their LDA at some point in early November. With that, Chris, I can hand it over to you or Dixon, whoever's
would like to speak. >> Um, Dixon, do you have anything prepared um that you want to share or >> um Can you all hear me first of all? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Great. Um, nice to see you all. Um, uh, Christa, I could just kind of go through
the plans that I presented the other week. I mean, that's, you know, as far as, >> you know, we have >> and I think that's probably the most appropriate thing to share. >> Sounds great. Yeah, the they all have copies printed um at the in front of them as well.
>> Okay, great. Um so I'll just go ahead and share my screen if that works. Yep. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Okay, one second. >> And then I will be writing down comments um as you make them and decide what you want to send to the select board and
then we can go over them all um and refine them. So yeah, I think the list before the >> I think in order to get everything accurately and I think you're going to I want to make sure we're not putting you through like you know crazy work to collect all of our comments as we're going. Um after we run through this and we hear the presentation and kind of
discuss this maybe we can walk through some of the comments you picked up uh before we leave tonight and just make sure they're all aligned um so we're accurately getting them everything we need. >> Yes. Yeah. And I can go through and the transcript will catch anything um >> if I don't catch it verbatim. All right,
Dixon, the floor is yours. >> Well, again, thank you for having me. Um, and I guess I will start by reviewing the plans that were submitted to the select board. Um, I'm forgetting on which date they were submitted, but um, this presentation I'm going to go
through has some preliminary renderings of our proposed renovation of the Hadley School. Um, and also some schematic floor plans that we have also submitted. So, I'll just start by going through um the first few renderings that we have of the exterior. Um
as you can see here, this is a shot from a few years ago when school was still in session. Uh and this is hopefully something like we think it'll look like in the future once it's renovated. As you can see, not a whole lot of change to the exterior. The biggest and most
stark change is the uh installation of new windows which are more in line and period correct with type of windows that were originally installed on the building when it was first built in 1911. The other major additions you'll see
here um this kind of um little rooftop element that is actually an extension of the stairwell that runs um you know there's two stairwells that run up and on either end of the building. Uh we do have a rooftop
amenity deck and in order to comply with fire code need two forms of egress. So this is an extension of that stairwell and there is another stairwell um over on the other side of the building here in between the main building and the annex rather where we have our uh
elevator shaft, two elevator shafts um and another stairwell. So in terms of the facade, that's kind of really what we're proposing. There's a a bit of an awning here. This will be the entrance uh to the restaurant, the dedicated entrance to the restaurant. There will be access to the restaurant from the
interior of the hotel as well, but this will be a dedicated entrance. >> Dixon, may I ask a really quick question? Um, in the rendering, I am noticing that the stone detail around the windows on the sort of over that entrance
>> is shown as being removed. Is that something that is being altered or is that something that's just uh an oversight in >> I think that was an oversight on the rendering. We had no intention of removing that. Yeah, because that's sort of prominent. So, I'm glad to hear that. >> Yeah. Yep. And yeah, we actually went
back and put, you know, these those panels that say Hadley School, those actually didn't make it into the rendering for the first time. So, we went back and add them in. Again, no intention to manipulate the exterior in any um aesthetic way other than improving, you know, painting,
repointing, you know, where there has been some decay on the facade. >> Great. Thank you. This is kind of just a a straightaway shot at the front of the building. This monument sign, that's not necessarily how it'll
end up looking. That's just there for kind of massing and illustrative purposes. Um, as you can see, the facade really does not change here. Here you get a first glimpse of that elevator tower. Again, there will be two elevators uh in this new new
construction element um as well as a stairwell on the back side of this new tower. And that's really the only significant new construction uh that will be happening on the exterior of the building or at least it'll be visible from the outside of the building. >> And is that the second form of egress for the rooftop amenity space?
>> That's correct. Yeah, it's on the back side of this structure here is the stairwell. >> Okay. Um and this and obviously this provides ADA access to both buildings. Right now neither of the annex or the main building has an elevator and so putting that point of connectivity right
in between the two buildings makes sense and it also allows us to preserve more of the interiors of both buildings. So we will have to demolish the little connector that connects the main building and the annex. Um but otherwise we're able to you know keep much more of
the interior spaces in both buildings. Okay. I thought this someone sent this to me. This was just an original elevation from the um the plans of the school even before it was called the Hadley School. You'll see it was on this plan the Readington Elementary School
from Swamp Scott. But you can see those windows there are much more in line with what we are proposing than what's you know currently there. >> Will um what is the window itself? If I'm looking at the type K Marvin, are
the mountains in these wows fully expressed? >> Uh, on the rendering, I I don't think so. They're not probably fully accurate, but >> No, no, I'm sorry. In the windows themselves, are they um are they dividers inside the glass or will there
actually be um the muttons >> on top of the glass? >> On top of the glass. Uh, I would need to go back and check the specs of the windows. Uh, I can't answer that right now. I could have our architect look and get an answer for you. >> Yeah.
>> Um, so this is another shot of the I guess kind of with the view from the back to the water here. So this is again that entrance to the restaurant. This shows the outdoor dining element uh that we're proposing for the alikart dining restaurant. you know, how far out this
dining space extends kind of towards Readington Street versus towards Lindscott Park um is to be determined. We might have to take away some of the outdoor dining here for a few more parking spaces. But in any event, the best views um you know, while sitting
out here in this proposed outdoor dining area are, of course, closer to the park and looking down to the water, so that's not too much of an issue. Uh, and again, you see the extension of the stairwell up there. Here's just a closeup of that
new elevator and stair tower. Uh, and just for what it's worth, the the facade materials, um, and the exact design on this new construction are not finalized by any stretch of the imagination. This is more just for massing uh to show the
public you all kind of you know what the new construction is going to be from a size standpoint. We just wanted to make it look pretty stark obviously black brick versus red to make it look different for the moment. >> Is this the main entrance to the hotel also?
>> No. Uh the main entrance is uh likely going to be this door here. It'll be either or. I mean, this will lead up right into the lobby. And again, this is an elevator tower. So, if you're staying in, you know, the annex and you need to take the elevator up, you can just enter
through this door. But the hotel lobby is going to be right here. I'll show you that on the plans. >> But those windows, >> the handicapped ex is actually through the uh tower. >> Correct. Yeah. >> So, is the tower actually connected to
the annex as well? >> Yes. >> Yep. So, from my last shot, it looked like there was a gap there. I'm not sure. >> No, there's a connected there. The annex has a little kind of jut out on the first and second floor. >> So, but you see the connection there.
>> The the annex and the um the main part of Hadley are on different floor planes, >> right? So, that's the bridging to allow um it's a I'm assuming it's a double-sided elevator and then you have >> Yeah, there's kind of landings on one side that aligns with the few steps down.
>> So, yeah, there's going to be a number of little steps for the for the elevator because they're they're not exactly aligned as you said. Uh this the back side of uh the new stair tower. You can see actually the stairs through those windows there. Um
this element here, this is the bathrooms um that will service the rooftop amenity deck. Um those they look kind of quite visible now, but keep in mind that there are all those trees that line the property line on Lit Scott Park in front of the hotel,
sorry, the school. Um so those will really not be as prominent and visible as it see as it appears right here. What is the staircase that I'm seeing at the bottom there going into a basement? >> This >> Yeah, >> that will be this is going to be more
for pickup and drop off for um the restaurant, you know, employee entrance, back of house. >> It's all service related. >> All service related. All back of house. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, here's a site plan. zoom on that a little bit. But
as you can see here, we have this all labeled as dining terrace. As I mentioned earlier, we might need to cut some of that back, reduce some of the dining terrace area and focus it more around towards Lindscott Park again, which is a better
area for it anyhow. And that allow us to get a few more parking spaces because for the rest of the site, you know, it's not that big and we don't have a lot of opportunity for significant landscaping because a lot of it will have to be dedicated to parking and as we know, parking is is an issue in town. Um, so
in terms of what you know happens on the rest of the property, again, it's mostly parking. >> Um, your dumpster is back behind the elevator tower. Is that correct? >> Reading that. >> Okay. And and screened because that's that's one thing that would be a big
improvement at Hadley because >> currently it's um it's quite a design element on Inscott Park. >> Yeah. No, they'll be, you know, of course in line native plantings that will screen and shield the parking lot
to some degree. Um, we'll of course be consulting with the neighbors here and across the street to make sure it's all um in line with what what the town wants. Um, and of course, we'll try and bring the dumpers as much as possible.
>> So, the path for the trucks to do drop offs and trash pickup is through the first drive through the right. >> So, they'll come enter through this proposed curb cut here. Go back this way
>> then back all the way out or is there room to turn around there? >> There there should be room to turn around. Turn it this way and then back down. >> Isn't there a wall a stone wall? That's >> There is a stone wall >> past that though because the building doesn't go up to the stone wall. >> No.
>> Yes. It's kind of this line. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Is more or less the stone wall. >> So, there's actually more space than shown, right? >> Yeah. >> Say that again. >> There's more space than shown because
the stone wall is really like you could you could walk behind there. >> Well, on the other side of the stone wall. I mean, that's pretty much right up to the lot line, the dumpster and and so forth, right? I think the stone wall is just at the
>> So, is the lot line a dotted line or is the lot line the the wall? >> No, it's the wall. >> The lot line more or less follows my mouse right here. I mean, it's >> Mhm. >> We're trying to maximize the amount of room that we have on the site. >> Yeah.
>> And all those trees are on the park side of the wall. >> It's a little bit small, but what's that little protrusion in the middle of the wall across from the annex? That was a proposed new light pole that can probably go in a little bit. And
that kind of um marks the end of the car parking. So beyond that little jut out, that's all for service. So for unloading and and loading for service trucks. >> Yes. That pole can move, right? >> Yeah. So you see here there's parking
spots here. >> Yeah. >> For guest cars. And then beyond that, this is just open area for service. >> One thing that I I would love to see if you could explore is the parking lot
lighting. Um because of the fact that it's adjacency is all residential. If that could be lowle instead of high level lighting in in height. um so that the surfaces are lit but the sky isn't lit and the the
space isn't lit and it's not going into the residences. I think that'll make a >> a big impact on getting the neighbors around this on board. Um and I also think it'll give it uh it'll give the hotel
the feeling that the neighborhood that it's part of the neighborhood. >> Um >> yeah, we we discussed this at length during the public hearing >> with lighting and having input from all the neighbors. Yeah, >> you know, enough light for there to be, you know, safe, you know, to light the
ground for safety access and walking, what have you. But, um, we have no interest in, you know, lighting up the sky. >> And I think I I think your your guests would benefit from having view over instead of view through a lit parking lot. >> So, I think it it would be a a very
significant win on all parts. Um, >> are you finished or can can I ask some questions? I don't want to interrupt you if you're still >> No, go. I mean, if it's on the site plan, go ahead. >> Well, we're while we're still on this page, just just to clarify, I see there's nine compact spots right in
front of the uh the main entrance there. There's a handful of EV spots. Can you just walk through like what the parking count is and what the how it's delineated? Yeah, the total parking count is I think 63 spaces on this plan. >> Yep.
>> Um again, we might have to get a few more. Could we be more efficient on you know some of this layout? Maybe. Um but again, the site is relatively tight. >> Right. From your experience in your other properties on a site like this, how would you have your employees and
and those who who are employed there park? Is that parking for them on site and then guests are in addition to that? and valet elsewhere. How does from an operational perspective, how do you look at this? >> We have valet parking at every one of our properties and that allows us to um
you know park more than in this case 63 spots. >> Um a lot of our employees take public transit to work. That helps mitigate. Of course, not all of them do. So we will have to you know have them parking on site or find off-site parking opportunities for that man for for
guests during peak hours big times. >> Got it. And would you just lease parking spaces for valet with folks interested or something? >> Yeah, something along those lines. Yeah, >> understood. Okay, >> so the compact spaces, they're angled parking
and it looks like they're angled the wrong way because you want traffic to flow in from >> True. Well, no, they've got the arrow the in arrow on the on the right on the left. >> Oh, >> okay. >> So, there's two ins. Yeah, that's an
that's an in and an out in and out. That's an in. >> So, it's one way until you get past the entrance, past the annex, and then it's two-way into the >> parking parking area. >> Yeah. >> For lack of better description. >> Okay.
>> Got it. Okay. And then you wiring for EV charging stations, I think. >> Yep. Over here, I believe. Yeah. right here. Tool head EV charging stations. >> Any thoughts for Well, yeah. Any
thoughts for bikes or anything like that? I don't know. Is that something you have at any of your properties? >> Uh, we do have bikes at most of our properties. So, we'll find a place for for some bike racks. >> Yeah, it' be great.
>> Okay. Uh, moving. Is that okay if I move on? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> So, this is the basement, but as you all know, or maybe don't, the basement is not really a full basement. You know, there's something like four and a half,
5ft windows on the basement unit. So, what we are proposing here for the I'll start from the left to right. I pointed out the outdoor dining area for the restaurant. You can see those laid out here. Uh this room which I think was currently an arts
and crafts room I believe we kind of see that as becoming the the pub lounge bar area of the of the restaurant and this area which is currently part of the mechanical room. Um that kind of being the more you know formal dining area dining
alikart room u with you know nice warm lighting. So when you make that turn onto street you see a kind of a warm no welcome under the property. Um, again, pub room here, dining room here. Again, the outdoor dining we've talked about already.
Here's that dedicated step down into the restaurant. Restaurant bar leaves the bathrooms dedicated for the restaurant down here. And then fundamentally, everything that I'm highlighting with my mouse. >> Mhm.
>> The exact layout of this is still to be determined, but this is all backup house. This is storage. This is kitchen, this is lockers, this is offices. Um, none of that will really be guest facing. And that little ramp that someone pointed out to those steps probably have to be a little bit bigger,
but that's how you get into the back of house area. Right here is kind of the call the wellness section of the restaurant of the hotel. This is where we're proposing to have our our dedicated spa which will be open to the public, but it'll be it will have
its a dedicated entrance from the front of the property. There is a little door here that exists that kind of steps down and that'll be the dedicated entrance into the spa. Um, and then this room here will be our uh fitness facility, our gym.
And again, all ADA access will run through these two two elevators here as well as the stairwell. In terms of the basement of the annex, uh really just all rooms varying in size from 485 ft, which is quite a big room, as well
as this one, 755 ft. Uh then a few smaller ones, 290, 365. Uh but you have to line them up with the windows obviously. Uh, so it lays out quite nicely for hotel rooms.
>> How many rooms are in the property total? >> It'll be somewhere between 56 and 59 depending on how many uh suites we have. So, we might combine a few rooms to create bigger suites. So, it'll kind of take away a key as we say. Yep.
>> Yeah. >> That'll be somewhere in that in that range. Okay, so this is the first floor and you'll see here this is the dedicated hotel lobby, front desk, check-in. Uh it's currently where the principal's
offices and the and the nurse's offices. We do have some bathrooms here kind of off the lobby. And we're proposing to really not touch physically uh the gymnasium. This becomes a ballroom bee event space for
the hotel. This seating plan here shows I think it's 120 seats which is actually quite a lot uh especially in the context of a hotel that has somewhere between 56 and you know 60 rooms call it. Um so you think about a wedding as an example if every room is
rented out with two uh two occupants it's about 120 people. So there's your event kind of lays out pretty nicely. Uh we're keeping the stage. We will probably have a dumb waiter that runs from the kitchen up to the ballroom to the gym. But otherwise, um, you know, new
windows, uh, the current windows that overlook the park are, you know, kind of boarded up and glazed over. You think about brand new windows, tons of natural light flowing into a space with 25 ft ceilings. Uh, it'll be a pretty special and beautiful room. Um, again, we're
restoring, refinishing um all the detailing within the building or the the gymnasium, but you know, from an aesthetic standpoint, keeping all the molding and the the beautiful craft work that kind of surrounds the stage and the entire
perimeter. And then these are these classrooms here. That's one classroom right now. But you can see I say all we're really doing. It's going to be a lot more complicated than the way I'm describing it. Um really putting a demising wall down the middle of
what's currently a you know 800ish square foot box of a classroom. Put a demising wall between each of these four windows. So each room has two very large windows. Um, and then those kind those big blank walls that are on,
you know, either end of the building. Uh, you solve that by putting your bathroom on that wall. And then, you know, this bed faces I don't actually know why they put a window there. That's a mistake. There's no window there. But >> there's a door there. >> There is a door. You're right. On that first floor,
>> some of us know these rooms really well. >> Sure. >> We can tell you the teachers that belong in each one. Um, but anyhow, you see bedroom here that faces the TV wall there, two windows. I mean, you can see it lays out pretty
>> Yeah. Mhm. >> Uh, pretty easily. And we're just shown connecting rooms uh, you know, on every room. Not every room will be a connector, but of course for, you know, families and people traveling together, that's nice to have, but not every room will be a connecting room. Just showing
that for spacing purposes. And the coat closets here, uh, they're currently where the the cubbies were, I guess, for the the classrooms. >> You know, those can be a bathroom. It's kind of a long and narrow bathroom, but you have plenty of room and way to have a a vanity. You got a double vanity.
Plenty of room for that. Uh, and whether we put the toilet on the window side or the shower on the window side. Again, to be determined, but we're able to keep a lot of that detailing uh, in each of these rooms without uh, having to lose square footage. Um, and that layout really kind of
remains consistent on the flanks of each of the uh the corners of the main building. And in the annex, um, again, these rooms almost stack just vertical. They're the same all the way up, just aligning with the windows,
>> the uh function space, the gym. >> So, you're keeping the stage a little bit outside of the schematic review here, but what's the what's the intent of that? Is there pro some programmatic reason you're hoping to use that or >> to bank? >> I mean, if you're if you're having a wedding, you could have the band on the stage. If you're, you know, you could
have a big table up on the stage to kind of celebrate. >> Um, no real reason to >> Okay. Just to design, >> demolish it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then to that end, uh, any more questions on the first floor? So, we're also going to be keeping the
mezzanine seating area that overlooks the ballroom, the ballroom, the gym. Uh, we thought about putting a hotel room there, but you can see it's a huge room. I think it was something like 700 ft. And there is the poured concrete,
you know, step down seating, >> which made laying out mechanicals, you know, very tricky because it is poured concrete. And furthermore, this window that's all the way at the end of the seating area, it's actually quite small. It'd be kind of comically small for a 700 plus square
foot hotel room. So, our intention is just to keep the the seating area as is. Uh try and refernish those chairs that are actually kind of quite, you know, beautiful in the metal detailing. uh refinish the wood with the
idea being that when the gym the ballroom is not being used for a private event um you know trying to figure out some sort of you know regularly scheduled programming whether it's a speaker series you know at some form of a concert standup comedian you know that kind of thing that could be of course open to the public um and be a fun use
of the space uh and you know certainly would generate some revenue >> um so a nice way to bring the community into the space because I guess you know naturally If you live in Swampscott, you don't really need to you don't need a hotel room in Swap Scott, right? So, it's a way to get into the into the
space. >> Great. >> So, this is the top floor of the main building. Annex is now topped out. you know that'll the roof of that will be mechanicals, solar panels
and then the only real difference here on the third floor is these proposed hotel rooms all have these kind of very big terraces that are already there on the roof of the of the gymnasium. So just to to finish that out and then you have three nicesized guest rooms
here with three very big terraces overlooking the park. Great view, I'm sure. >> Yeah. No, it's a beautiful view from up there. Then the best view of the house is, of course, the roof. So, we had toled around with having a
full kind of a fourseason, you know, fully enclosed space on the roof. you know, with again the added parking requirement would be significant to have to, you know, park a full um enclosed
space up there. And given that we already have a natural ballroom and the conversion of the gymnasium that's a appropriate size for a hotel with this many room keys, we decided to just have a much more simple rooftop amenity deck,
you know, just with bathrooms. It can be serviced by a mobile bar. um nothing really permanent and it'll be open, you know, to hotel guests. Uh it can also be rented out, you know, for private events, parties, what have you. Uh but really nice big
open space. Again, these seating plans are here just to show you how it could be laid out. Um but a nice big seasonal deck and that's that's keep it pretty simple. And these areas are likely going to be mechanicals. Those aren't there's not a
bad view from the roof, but the view overlooking uh the bay down to the Boston skyline is of course the best. So, we wanted to focus all the best views facing that direction. And then again, kind of burying the bathrooms in the back corner away from the site corridors
uh and close to the elevators as well. >> I'm assuming this is all uncovered on the roof. >> All uncovered. Yeah. I mean, could we have some, you know, umbrellas, you know, maybe a a light perless system to provide some shade? >> Yeah. But nothing really permanent as proposed.
>> Understood. Okay. And all of the utilities for heating and cooling and such would be located on the two roof areas here. >> I mean, you can see there's plenty of room here or here to for mechanicals. I think there's something that's going to needs to be on the on the ground kind of
back here. Um, okay. like the line share of it >> and be out of sight, out of mind, >> you know, with some with some plantings and bordering around. So, you don't really see it when you're when you're up on the roof. >> As far as utilities, what's the I know it's a historic building, so I'm not
sure what you're able or not able to do, but what's the plan for um heating, cooling, etc. >> What we're thinking of doing is kind of largely, you know, heat pump driven electrical heat pumps. you know, we do have solar. Um, given that it is in a northern climate, we might need to have
some sort of um supplemental, you know, heating. Uh, you know, for January, February when it gets very cold, but um, you know, given that it's going to be a a brand new building on the interior with newer windows, fully insulated windows, um,
it's going to be a much tighter building than it is now, uh, you know, we'll see what we can kind of get away with. Um, >> but the plan is all electric heat pumps >> if we can. Um, that's what we're going to try and go for. Yeah. >> Nice. Okay,
Dixon, I have a couple questions. Um, I do not have a scale with me. I'm using my thumb on these drawings. The location of the stairs on the roof don't appear to align with the stairs underneath them. >> It's talking about these stair these
stairs over here. >> Yes. They're they're actually pulled further away from the parapit when I'm looking at them. So if I look at the third floor plan and then I look at this, there's
a little bit of discrepancy cuz this where the third floor, see where the up and down are there? >> Yeah. >> That up would be going up the stairs to that. >> And then if you go over here, that up is not in the same location. >> Yeah. I I remember going through this
with our architect and he it did there was some creative um adjustments to how that all bleeds up to the roof. I can't exactly speak to it right now, but he could certainly answer the questions. It was it took some
um it took some time to have it to work out. I remember him uh >> the the only the only qu concern I have is what's drawn doesn't appear to be accurate. So it would be it that that tower should probably be closer to the parapit on the
left hand side of the building than where it's drawn. >> Yeah, I can ask him and and then yeah >> get some clarity on it for you. >> And then the the other question I have is back on the roof plan. Um there's there's spaces here.
There's that I'm thinking it's saying circulation out. Um yes, circulation. Then there's a curb. Is that a planted roof? Is that what I'm reading here? New rooftop planter construction.
>> Is that basically a green roof? >> It it can't be a fully green roof. Um you know, plants are actually quite heavy. from a a pound per square foot standpoint. So, it can't all be planted. Will there be plantings to screen in >> um the mechanicals?
>> Uh yeah, absolutely. >> Okay. Because the way this is this is reading um based on the notes, it appeared to be a green roof. And then I did have a question. One of the things that um
everything is looking looking really good. I I'm loving the way you're using space inside. I think the solutions around the guest rooms are really terrific. The one thing that stands out a little bit to me though is the the
bathrooms that are on the roof, their location, and I'm curious, was there any consideration of that lefthand sta stair tower? Right now, there's basically three towers on here. One is the circulation penthouse.
>> One is the actual circulation tower with the elevators. And then the third is really that bathroom that is windowless and and covered. And what strikes me with that and what what concerns me, you had mentioned it would be behind trees,
but um realistically those trees are quite old and they won't be they're they're not a reliable source of screening. Um, one of the things that I was wondering was would there be more logic in having those attached to the
stair tower itself that's on the left? So, you had two elements that were up on the roof instead of three. Um, the other thing that that sort of stands out, I mean, my concern on it is the fact that right now the Hadley faces the town
square. It faces Lindscott Park. faces, town hall, the whole thing. Um, and it's a it's it's a pretty prominent view, and I'm incredibly excited to see the building renovated and really to be something really positive. But there's
quite a bit of symmetry to that side of the building that that extension of the the bathrooms there right on the parapit wall. Um, it really seems to sort of mess with it. And even though it is the back of the hotel, it is the front of
the town. Um, so I I would really love to see that evaluated. So it's also a high massing adjacent to that elevator tower. Um, and I think if the elevator tower were standing alone and and
treated as an object and that was pulled away from it, it would make for a much cleaner uh view of the building. Yeah. No, it's I hear I certainly hear what you're saying. Our our objective
was to try and maximize the amount of open space with the best views on the roof. >> Mhm. >> So, you can see if you kind of take, you know, you know, this amount of space and add it, you know, somewhere on here, you're just kind of taking away from some of the best views. But I I hear you
that you know from the if you're standing right in the monument kind of looking at the building, you know, this will be visible at some point when those old trees move on. >> Yeah. And and all winter, too, because
those are all all deciduous. Um, I would I would think you could think about view lines >> and tuck that behind because currently that stair tower that is on the outdoor terrace. Um, the views are
if if the if the restroom were narrowed down, I think you could place it and still maintain your views pretty easily. >> Yeah, it's given how large of the the space is. >> Mhm. Um, it's hard to shrink. I think
these are as few a bathroom count as we can have, as small a bathroom as we can have, >> right? >> You know, per code. So, it's tough to shrink them. >> No, no, I'm not suggesting shrinking them, but I I do think that you are already blocking the view with that one
piece. Um, and I I don't know, that's that's the area I would really like to see explored. um if that was a possibility. And the other um the other possibility is since that
tower does not have access, this is a two-sided elevator, but they can be programmed so the doors don't actually open on both sides. >> Yeah. >> Um so there could be a look at that. There's a lot of space. Um,
I'm I'm believing that the elevator that's on the top on this drawing, the door next to it is leading you into the downstairs. Correct. So, the back section on either side of that elevator tower, um, is really
deadend circulation. You wouldn't have both doors open on those elevators. You'd only be using the doors that were facing the deck >> on this floor. Yeah. >> On that floor. So, where it says elevator, rooftop, main, all of that
space that's there is dead circulation because you would only be using or you could only use the door on one side of each of those elevators. And you could gain that space and actually uh potentially find a way to get some of
those services into that tower. I don't know if that made sense the way I said that, but >> No, I because everywhere else you have that condition where this is connecting into the annex. You need that space to be able to step down and change the elevation.
Yeah. No, I hear you. I'm just kind of thinking about what could be. I mean, it's too narrow for the bathrooms. Um I don't know. We can look at it. Listen, I I hear you loud and clear on the aesthetics of the view from But the other thing that I'm wondering is could you put bathroom like could you handle
some of the bathrooms there and some of the bathrooms just by enlarging the uh the front staircase then you would have bathrooms attached to the circulation to the roof on each end um without having an oversized tower that was out on the
outdoor terrace. And then you would pull that whole element down to a to a single freestanding element and the single element on the roof. >> Um, no, that's certainly a a thought actually. We hadn't um we had always just wanted to kind of keep it out of
sight, out of mind from the entry, but I hear there's no kind of front and back to this building since they're both very public facing. Yeah, this is this is a really because and and it is pretty amazing because the side where you've got the outdoor patio when you drive into Swampskit that's a great view of of
the building too. You get this sort of on angle but um it's a >> for this building to be um renovated and sort of made into a uh just a really attractive structure.
There's some beautiful sightelines to it. So, it's a it's a nice project to do. Um, and to see that >> there's also also nowhere to hide. You got to put the services in the bathroom somewhere. >> Yes, you do. You do. That's true. >> Uh, but listen, um, a point taken. I think that is something that is worth
looking into. Um, so thank you for that. You said you're considering solar panels. Is that on the roof of the annex? >> The annex. Yeah. And on the first floor, you had mentioned outside the restaurant that dining terrace. You had shown it full
length, I guess, for the footprint of the building, for lack of better description. Um, pending potentially adding a few parking spaces there that might eat into the terrace. What's the what's the decision making there? Or is that just based on what the final key count ends up being or >> um
>> Yeah. I mean, we know parking is it's tough in town, right? >> Yes. >> You don't need me to tell you that. >> Yeah. >> If we can claw back a few more spaces uh and again try and >> open up that that view corridor as you are kind of pulling into to town coming
up. >> Um you know, looking over the park, looking over down to the water through the trees. It's actually kind of a beautiful setting there. Um, it's a great view for the dumpster right now. Uh, but it'd be an even nicer place to have some outdoor seating. So, again, if we can get a few more spaces in this
area, um, >> hopefully you won't have to, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, cuz I do I do think >> this is there is very there is very little landscaping on our on this property. I mean, luckily, we're next to a beautiful park, so we don't have to
have landscaping on our property, but nevertheless, you know, it's nice to uh to have something. But unfortunately, we just don't have as much room to play with. >> Yep. Um the uh the section between the angled parking
and Readington Street has traditionally had a nice treecape. Um and it would be nice to figure out if that could be retained right along that along the front of the cars there. Um especially with angle parking because those can be
done saw to instead of as a straight line since cars saw to >> when you park them at an angle. >> Yeah. >> So there that would be a a very welcome place to get some green in. Um this is a this is a silly thing because I just can't stop looking at it on the on the
uh title block. Uh swampscott is misspelled. >> It's swamp swamp mscott. Uh, look on the right hand side where it says project. It says Delmare swap Miss Scott. >> Right under.
>> Yeah, >> that's from architect. That's not from me. >> No, no, it's definitely from your architect. I want you to bring things back to your architect, >> but it is funny because my eye keeps saying it. >> Any uh I know we're it's a big project, so probably still digesting. Any other
comments, questions from the board for for uh Dixon? >> I'm just so excited that this is happening and um I you know, I have nothing but good things to say. I'm
really very happy about it. So, thank you. >> No, thank you. We're uh we're equally as excited. >> Yeah. And Dixon, thanks for making an appearance here before us tonight. I wasn't needed, but it's greatly appreciated. Um, and very helpful to
have you kind of walk us through not only the schematics, but also the design, the intent, and the programmatic reasons for it once you get into operations. I think everyone in town is waiting with baited breath. Um, so having you be able to walk through the logic behind some of the decisions is is helpful.
>> Yeah. And on the some of the technicality stuff, um, again, I'm happy to answer some of those questions that I can't answer. I um we get in front of our our development team. >> Yeah. >> So um >> the uh your renderings are really
helpful to sort of see the the spirit of of what you're doing. Um and I apologize for all of sort of the design things that I keep bringing up. But one of the things that I I will point out is with the the window shown with white and
of course with the uh the trim and the banding that's very prominent on this building. Um, I think it could be really interesting to think of that tower relating to that whiteness. >> Um, and really letting Yeah. So that that's shown in black, I almost feel if
that was a white tower in there that related to the stone or whatever color the stone became, um, it might feel much more integrated where right now it does feel a little bit um, foreign to the building. I think that the the tower on
the roof, if you look at the elevation that you show or the rendering you showed from the here, >> that one that gives you an idea of like that really clean New England white against the red brick um is quite
striking. And then then the uh I'm I'm intrigued by the copper flashing that was repair being retained and I really sort of like it. It lets it stand out a little bit more where that becomes the third element instead of the brick becoming the fourth element.
>> Yeah. What I will say, I can't say this definitively, but um since this is a we're going for historic tax credits on this project, so maintaining the facade, maintaining, you know, as much of the interiors as is practical, >> they will want you to have the any new
construction >> kind of be a stark contrast to the original two buildings. In this case, they're both historic. Yeah, >> thems >> but that's why I would suggest something in in >> my computer >> in a in a white or in a light color like
that where it's not a different brick. >> Yeah, >> because it sort of looks like it's being being proposed in a in a black brick. And uh I really think doing something and thinking about that material, no one would ever think that that was uh
that was part of the original building. Um because everything is brick. >> Yeah, maybe I forgot to mention it earlier, but this is really done for just kind of massing to show the size and scale of >> I'm giving some I'm giving some reaction
to that. Okay. >> In in the sense of that and the other thing that that um >> would be nice to see is some some coverage outdoor coverage in front of that entrance. >> Mhm. So that that is the handicapped
entrance, but it's it's some place that people can be standing in the rain as they're waiting for their their cab or something because that is something building, >> you know, some sort of awning in that um which would uh make it more functional but also
not have it be as flat as it's reading. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> It's going to be a beautiful project. >> Hope so. Hope so. >> I I have to tell you, I'm thrilled to
see the accessibility tower that for years we were told there was no way to do um very clearly illustrated because it's part of the it's part of the reason the school is no longer a school. And uh there were many voices saying there was
no way to make it accessible. And uh there were a few voices saying there's a very easy way to do it and it's basically exactly what you've drawn. >> Oh, >> so it's great. It's great to see it. >> It is tricky, but I mean you're just going to have a lot of little, you know,
stops on the elevator, but >> it it's it's funny if you in if you ever go to the MFA in Boston, the Museum of Fine Arts, um this exact situation happens between two editions on the building. and uh and it's really a charming moment when you when you when it's done well.
>> Um so it's sort of fun. >> I mean as a complete aside I mean I think given that it's not you know that tall of a building um when this stairwell gets renovated and again those windows are kind of blocked out and kind of glazed over
>> um but you're going to have fantastic views kind of looking out >> using those staircases. It's going to be fantastic. >> Yeah, cuz I mean they're very wide. >> Will you be restoring the height in all the corridors also? >> Yeah, I mean there there will be some
drops for HVAC and mechanical, of course, but I think the lowest the lowest ceiling height in the entire both buildings is something like 11 ft. I mean, it's there's a lot of a lot of >> No, it's a it's a great old building. >> A lot of height to work with. So, that kind of helps you, you know, hide.
Inevitably, you need chases for everything, but >> Yeah. So, as we look to provide comments to our colleagues on the select board for this, um, what do we want to make sure we note here? I don't I don't think there was an extensive amount of comments. I mean, this was a pretty
thorough schematic design that looks very nice. Um, >> as far as comments to the select board, Chris, do you want to notate what you have what you've recorded so far, and we can >> Yes. I'm going to share my screen really quick. Um
these are by no means refined. >> All good. >> But first we had explore parking lot lighting to make the lighting lowle in height so that surfaces are lit but not the sky to reduce impact to neighbors. Um bicycle parking being noted on the
plan. Um the stairs from the third floor plan do not align with the stairs shown on the roof plan. Um, this is all one comment about the potential um, in attaching the bathrooms to the stair element and the dead space behind the
elevators in that tower to potentially go from three towers on the roof to two. >> Um, so there's going to be some word smithing on this, but that was >> you get the >> the general idea of that. Um, and then the comment
to think of h having the tower relate to the whiteness of the banding rather than dark black brick. Um, as well as night just nice to see some outdoor coverage in front of the tower entrance like an awning to make it more functional. >> And this is a little outside of
schematic, but I think Jar's comments um a moment ago about the uh angled parking area where the compact cars are noted um finding if uh trees and shrubbery and plantings could be maintained there. So that's saw tooththing the curb lines.
>> Sawing the parking, right? I think that was a wellput comment. >> It's also It's also nice if you ever have to do angle parking if it's done that way because I never can tell where the front of my when I'm about to like
leave my car sticking out too far, etc. >> Right. >> Um I just think the um Yeah. I probably more positive things to to we could list that would have you writing all night, Christa, but I I
think these are great um they're great comments. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I I I'm hoping that you're hearing positive from me because my my overall feeling is very positive on this. >> Me, too. Me, too. >> Thank you.
>> Yeah. I'm I'm pulling up a lot of things. I I spend a lot of time doing doing architectural review in a university. So I I unfortunately am sort of wired this way, but it's uh it's hopefully to make things better.
>> No. And I mean even the plan that we submitted for our RFP, I mean you can see not a lot has changed. Um and even when we started really digging into it, >> um you I think the building buildings uh lay out pretty well. I mean, for a
60key hotel, which was the most allowed in the zone, >> again, it's going to be much harder than making it sound. Um, but we feel good about uh yeah, this program that we we have here. >> Well, I'm excited about how beautiful those rooms will be.
>> Yeah, those are large rooms. Those are >> they're large rooms. The ceiling height is >> incredibly generous windows. >> Um, and they're really thoughtfully laid out. Will you be retaining any ele like is it your intent? I I was thrilled to
hear that you're thinking of restoring the auditorium in the way you are. Um are you thinking of retaining any of the classroom aspects um with the you know the the big old slate
boards and all of the the things in there? I know that they're they've they've never never not been used until this year, but I was curious if that was part of your interior design scheme. >> Some of the well, for example, some of the flooring >> in the uh classrooms in the main
building >> um you know, some of them are kind of too far gone. The wood is warped, it's ripped up. Um but some of them are actually in quite good shape, albeit having had many layers of you know, lacquer put on over the years. But um if they get refinished and polished um
they're kind of beautiful hardwood floors. So that will be on a kind of room by room basis I guess. >> Um in terms of other elements of the interior I mean the you know the terraso floor in the hallways no reason to touch
that. Um you cleaning up the stairwells as we talked about. Um, now there's I mean our intent is to kind of celebrate the fact that this was a school and not kind of shy away and where there are some quirky areas that might be, you
know, odd, uh, because it's a school. You know, of course, it's going to be a luxury, you know, hopefully a luxury offering, >> but we're going to be celebrating the fact it was a school, not, you know, trying to make it look like a a cookie cutter hotel inside of a a brick building envelope. next next time you're
up here um in Salem there has been a school renovation that's right near the Hawthorne Hotel and it's a Catholic school that has been we've been watching this being done and it's just such an example >> of the bringing back of the windows and
and so forth. It's it's really stunning uh to see it. Um >> what's it called? >> Oh, what is it called? Oh, next. It has the word Hawthorne. It's it is adjacent to a church. >> Um, and I believe is that Hawthorne Hotel? >> It's it's on the same block as the
Hawthorne Hotel. So, if you sort of Google map it and you're facing the front door of the Hawthorne, it's a block down on the same side of the street, but it's it's a it's a newer building, but the form is very similar. It's a 194 I was shocked when I saw this. It's a 1940 building.
>> Yeah. Um, but they were building it really similar style to this one. >> It's 13 Hawthorne Boulevard is the address. >> That used to be the school that went with the >> Yeah, it's a church school. >> Okay.
>> My parents got married in the church. >> And they they have a wing off the back that I believe was the gymnasium. And that looks like they're retaining. They didn't turn it into apartments. And if you drive >> condos, right? Is that what it's called? >> Apartments. >> Apartments. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Nice.
>> But it's a it's a beautiful example. >> They're called the Hawthorne Lofts. >> The Hawthorne Lofts. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Helps having a Salem Zoning Board member here. >> Yeah. >> Any other comments we want to provide to to Dixon? I think this was incredibly
helpful. um having not really heard much about the hotel from a planning perspective since we approved the zoning four three years ago. Um so it's really nice to have you here and present this. It's just been really valuable. >> Yeah, very exciting to see it coming to
fruition and such a beautiful job. >> Thank you. >> Do you do you have a schedule goal for opening? >> No. >> Okay. >> I won't I won't speak to that here. >> That's fine. I know. I'm going to be >> Honesty is key.
>> Yeah, because we can give you a January. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah, >> that's what we're selling tonight. >> Beautiful. >> Well, I know we're all eager for that to happen as soon as uh you're able to make it work. So, um >> I think without any further comments
from the board, I think we've got the comments that we provided to Christa, we can clean those up. And if anyone has any additional comments between now and um I believe we're sending them to the select board next week, I want to say. So, any other comments? Send feel free to send directly to Christa um and we can incorporate them into our note.
>> Yeah, I would say if you could get those to me within the next day or so. Um we're hoping to get these comments um to the town administrator's office as soon as possible to get posted for the select
board to review. So, >> great. Perfect. >> Thank you. >> All right, with that, thank you, Dixon. Appreciate you coming. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to see you, sir. >> Have a nice night. >> Dixon. Dixon, can you indulge us for one more moment? >> Sure.
>> Um, we do have a member of the public who would like to be heard on this. So, I would >> Yep. >> Welcome uh welcome their comment. >> Thank you. I appreciate being heard. Marao, Outlook Road. Um, Dixon, just a couple of things that I'd
love to say to the board that were said at the public meeting, uh, so that they get included and not, um, overlooked would be, uh, along the, you know, on the Readington side, so both sides, the
parking lot, screening in the parking lot for lights was definitely a huge part of that meeting. Um, so I certainly want to make sure that that gets locked in and and is not overlooked. Um, I
think rat mitigation was definitely a piece. So I don't think it can be said enough. We are experiencing like in many communities. Um, you know, a rat problem and and um I think that the construction will really, you know, create some
difficulties to the to the neighbors. So, we want to, you know, just be mindful of that. Um, and mitigating and planning ahead for that. I do know that, um, one person indicated some concerns about the trucks. I think somebody did bring it up here this evening in terms
of, um, drop off and sort of, you know, for services at the back. So, um, you know, just being mindful that there's enough uh, turn around. Yeah, definitely. that seemed pretty tight against that that stone wall um to to me
certainly. But I'm just sort of mindful of that. I'm just trying to go through the list of things that were brought up that evening. Um and and um you know I do think that Lins Scott will need some attention and so this is you know our
last town property that u is being given over for this and um you know I think that that um you know from a pilot perspective we're we're uh we're giving plenty. I think that it would be great
if if you and your uh team could consider giving Lindscott Park a real heavy refresh. Um and so that could be, you know, part of our conversations down the road. That is a park that we, you know, it's forever land for our town, which we
appreciate. Um you know, there were there were a whole lot of cars on it this weekend, you know, with the with the uh the auto kind of um classic car fair. Yeah, the classic car fair was there. Um, so, you know, there's uh
there's a bit more of g of a give and take. Not all I'm sorry, Ted, but not all um citizens who pay plenty of taxes as well in town are in favor of this project at all. And I am making it very clear and have made it very clear for, you know, years that I am not at all in
favor of this. Um, and we did vote on a public space in the there. Um, so we'll have to be having further discussions about that as well. Um, but just uh real quick, I I you know, from a logistic standpoint point, I was a little
concerned that the basement actually didn't line up for your elevator. So, um, the basement on the main level. So, just be kind of take a look at that, too, since Jar and I know the building so well. >> Thank you for your time.
>> Thank you, Laura. Thank you. >> Mora, when you said the basement doesn't line up, what do you mean? >> The main building, the elevator for ADA access, it would have to I think because the um the breezeway was on a higher plane,
right? You would have to go down. So unless unless you're digging down, they have to be significant. They >> are digging down. They're dig They're digging down. So they've made the entire thing accessible. All right. >> Yeah. >> So, the digging down is really going to change.
It's really going to change then the extension, right? It's going to change the kindergarten wing. Can't think of the name of the >> there. Basically, that that breezeway is being removed and this tower is being
placed there. So it will go down into the ground so that it has this ability to be accessed from an elevator that stops on half floors or not even half floors like quarter floor. >> So it'll change the grade too entirely. >> Uh that if you that area is the grades
all week. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So it'll it'll just sort of normalize the grade but they the they've their plan is making it fully accessible which is >> and then the other thing that I brought up which was the walkway. I really think that the walkway coming through Lynn Scott and having an opening so that
people can get from that side of town across the property safely like similar to you know the your residents or you know your your patrons would be crossing the property. It's just so that it's not
locked off from the Elmwood side um of Lindscott Park. I just think it really does, you know, the foot traffic a tremendous amount of disservice. I think that the idea of adding bikes somewhere in there or bike um you know, locking
storage or blue bikes maybe even uh is fantastic. I think that's a that's a good ad. Thanks again. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. >> I was remiss calling for public comment and I think we also have members online. And if there's anyone online who wants to make a public comment, they can feel
free to raise their hand and indicate. All right, seeing none, um Dixon, thank you for hanging around for for a few minutes. Appreciate it. >> Dixon, I do have one more question on this on the site plan. Um
what is with the parking lot? Um I know that this is just a proposed site plan, but there's no um there are no elevation lines. Um is the idea that that this will be leveled and then retaining walls
put in or what's the what's the plan? Because that's got a significant slope up to the rear right corner. >> Yeah. And we talked about this um in the public hearing with the the neighbor who is in attendance. I'm forgetting their name, but there will need to be a retaining wall kind of dug into that,
you know, far right of the plan if you're looking at it. >> Yeah. >> Um to allow for, you know, that parking because that slope does, as you correctly point out, does um increase. >> So that would that would pull the parking out of line with sight a little
bit more, too. >> I guess it would be level. It would just be kind of brought down modestly. >> Right. uh >> on that far end of the property. >> Okay. >> And one last question for me. I'm
noticing your heights here um just a couple inches below what the uh dimensionality is for the overlay district. Is that uh height measured where is that measured to? Is that the midpoint of the new structure there? The roof on there?
>> Which uh what measurement are you looking at? 64 ft 10 in for the height proposed height existing of 52 feet 4 in. So I'm assuming it's that new access 88 tower at the elevator. Okay. Yeah, that's okay. >> Got it.
>> Ted, I think that was also specified in the RFP, but I could I'd have to go back and check >> that we created different um there were some unique um not necessarily unique. Most of them, you know, everything's pretty compliant, but we may have
included the fact that the existing height on the building is indeed higher than other zoning. So there was the understanding that the building would remain >> and there would be um there would be other pertinances on the roof that may extend it. So that was um can't remember
the exact verbiage but it was in the RFP. >> Yeah. No, that was my recollection as well. I'm just not noting that the proposed this six is two inches two inches below the zoning mandate. So I just want to make sure we're you know all the bricks are laid evenly so you're not one inch two inches too high. You
know what I'm saying? Mhm. Um, anyway, looks great. Really appreciate you coming tonight. Any other questions before I tell Dixon you can sign off for the fourth time tonight. >> Okay, Dixon, thank you again. >> Great. >> Thank you. >> Really appreciate very much. >> Have a nice night.
>> Thank you. You too. >> I believe that concludes everything that we had on our agenda. Is that right? I don't have a copy in front of me. So, I'm ad living. Um, so we did have agenda number five, which was review and discussion of potential changes to the
Swam Scott zoning bylaw. Um, we do not have much of an update for that right now. Um, but I do anticipate having an update with um, best practices for both signage and expanded multif family use zoning for November. >> Perfect. Um,
>> I think you had shared with me that there were some GIS updates that you >> Yes. So, um, yeah, some exciting updates. Um, we have GIS licenses for both Tim, our new, well, first exciting update. We have hired a new land use
planner. Um, his name is Tim Milikin, um, in our office, which is very exciting. Um, and he and I have both obtained GIS licenses. So, we will be able to do GIS analysis um, as well as just map making and visualization for
um, purposes of planning for the town. Um, so we're very excited about that. Um, and there is I know some parcel size analysis that we plan to do for the expanded multif family use zoning um that we talked about last
month. Um, so that is on our list of things to do. Um, we are currently just getting all of the data we can together. Um, so we have a few things to set up before we can get um crunching in into analysis, but we will have updates at the November
meeting. So I kept that this on the agenda um for right now, but that's the only updates we have right now. >> Thank you. I think that >> audit of lot sizes is something I know we've kind of talked about in theory for like since I've been on the board at least, so for at least
>> almost five years. So I think having that will be really informative. Only other updates I have to share is our um colleagues on the tree committee I believe had a uh bylaw that they had
shared um with uh Christa and and myself. Um, so I looked at it at a cursory level, but I offered them the opportunity to do the same things that our friends on the renewable energy committee did, um, or resilient swamps did last month or two months ago. Um,
for comments and feedback from planning. Um, so that that may come before us in November, but just wanted to give everyone a heads up on that. >> All right. I think with that, I can entertain a motion to adjurnn unless there's any other new business to discuss. >> So moved. >> Second.
>> All right. All those in favor, let's do a roll call. >> Angela, >> hi. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Bill Quinn, >> hi. >> Jerma, I tuli I. All right. Thank you. >> Thank you everyone.