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All right, good evening everyone. We'll call our meeting to order. Um, please remember we are being recorded and we will uh if we I think we have some Girl Scouts here. Do you guys want to rise and help us say the pledge? Do you mind? Feel like you want to come up?

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>> Come on up. >> We can do that pledge, too. Come over to the Sorry I put you on the spot there. You You guys are already doing very well. >> All right, y'all ready? >> Somebody's got to go.

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I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Great job. >> Wow. Great job.

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>> Boy Scouts never sounded that loud. All right, we will begin this evening with the town administrator's report. Thank you and good evening. Um, I'll provide a brief update about operations in town. In light of the stack public hearings and everyone else, I'll try to

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be as quick as possible. Uh, first I wanted to give an update on the HR front. Um, we said goodbye to Chrissy Reposo as the uh, customer service supervisor uh, last week. She is moving on to Lynfield to be the assistant town accountant where she will be joining

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Dave Castellarine who has worked here in town in the past. So, they've known each other for a while and we wish her well. We posted that position as soon as we heard that she was going to be moving on. Um, and we've had a number of qualified candidates and actually um extended and had accepted an offer this

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afternoon for her replacement. So, I anticipate introducing that individual at our next meeting. Uh, we're working on start date and that type of thing right now. Uh, as you know, this this team is a critical part of us providing high level of customer service. So, we're looking forward to having it fully staffed soon. In that same vein, we're interviewing for a new customer service

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rep uh to join the team um that will also be in that office and anticipate having that uh that team member join very shortly as well. recently with the changes in staff. I I wanted to particularly thank Liam and Jean who have done a fantastic job along with a lot of others helping by sort of playing

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out a position in town hall uh and supporting the customer service office. Uh it's been a busy beach sticker season among other things. So, we really appreciate everyone's effort and and sort of playing outside uh their normal roles. Um in addition to that, we have the impending retirement of Heidi at the

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senior center. So, we've posted that position as well and we've had a number of really qualified candidates that we're excited about. We begin the interview process with the first round of those interviews next week. Um and hopefully we'll be moving forward shortly and we'll have more to report on that as well. At the library, we're in

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we're currently searching for a new reference and adult programming director. Um and interviews have been ongoing there as well with Maryanne and Jonathan. So again, we're looking forward to welcoming a new member. And then finally at DPW, uh we are in the final stages of the interview process

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for a new uh MEO with an an offer anticipated at the beginning of next week there as well uh following a retirement. Uh I wanted to give a brief update also on Hadley. Uh we've been having continuing conversations with the team at Lomar. Um they've been in the building regularly working with Max and

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others to get access as they move forward in their plans. And we we just received their design drawings coming into Marsy's office. We anticipate having Dixon join us in the 17th to walk through those with the with all of you as well. Uh so we'll be sharing those uh in the coming weeks. Um on the Hawthorne

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front, which I know we'll be discussing in greater detail later, I wanted to highlight that as the team there is continuing their preparation work on the site. Uh it's important that residents anticipate that parking restrictions will be returning um to that property in the near future. In order to safely

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prepare and then to operate the building, we anticipate that the tenants will be placing restrictions on access and parking. Um, similar to what's been in place previously, they'll be appropriately signing it in advance uh to allow for some education prior to any enforcement. Uh, but it's something that I wanted to share with you all and the

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community at large tonight as well. Uh, finally, I wanted to provide a quick update on Cedar Hill Terrace, which we've discussed at I think the last two meetings or two out of the last three. Uh we had a very productive meeting with Marzy, myself and Gino and the team at Four Seasons. We went over their permit that had been approved by the ZBA a few

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years back which talks about limits on their parking on the streets and also talks about a uh parking plan that was accepted as part of it on their property that limits the number of vehicles that are allowed. They're reviewing that with their attorneys and others, but it was a very productive and and and good discussion. It's one that they had

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wanted to engage with engage with the town over time. Uh, and they had actually approached the DPW team who has hashed the bottom of um, Cedar Hill at this point and painted uh, and thanked them for doing that because it was not only them but other businesses whose whose uh, customers were parking in

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those spots and causing, you know, real safety concerns for them as well. Uh, as Gina recounted it to me, the guys were anticipating that when someone came out of there to speak to them, it was not going to be a pleasant conversation. And instead, they came out and said, "Thank you for doing that. It's something that will really benefit not just the people

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that live up the residential street, but also all the businesses at the bottom. Uh the two additional things that remain there, the vegetation management has not yet occurred. It's been on the work plan for DPW for about a week now. Gino said it would be done tomorrow. I would say to you all it will be done in the next

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week to allow a little bit of wiggle room there. And we also anticipate adding a no parking signage at the bottom of the street to allow for enforcement in the future. uh because the hashed alone is not enough uh if we are to you know sort of step up enforcement for parking the hashed paint

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is not enough to uh allow for any ticketing in the future. So that's one other thing that folks can anticipate there'll be a sign on each side that that says no parking. Uh and with that I'm happy to answer any questions that folks may have. >> Questions? >> No great work on on Cedar Hill getting

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it done. >> Um I just wanted to know so we have you went over the library and what you need at town hall. Where are we with police and fire? Are they at their staffing levels? >> Uh, fire has one vacancy left >> and we are in the process of negotiating the CBA and there's some potential

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changes to the process of bringing in um the qualified candidates at the beginning. So, we're working on whether we'll move forward immediately or wait until we get a little a little further down the road on CBA. >> Okay. >> And police, I believe we are fully staffed there. We're we have I want to say three that are in academy. Um it

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might just be two at this point, but I can get back to you with the exact details on that. >> Okay. And um in the future, can you get us information on what's going on with the steering committee and what's happening with um Stacy Brook? >> The steering committee for >> Stacy Brook. >> Yes, absolutely. I'm happy to provide

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more info. >> Has have do we have confirmation that our um water sewer advisory committee now has a member on the LIN steering committee? So, the the steering committee that meets that is organized by the mayor's office, I've been sharing it with both

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Kelly from Water Sewer Advisory and George, who I think I saw in here from board of health as well. Okay. >> To make sure that they're on it. I've requested that they get added to the invites, but instead to this point, I've been adding I've been sending it and forwarding it to them as soon as I get it. >> And I I believe the one that we did

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yesterday, was it? Well, it was two days ago. Um, that was one where we got it to them as well. It was sort of late notice. So, we're working on improving the the communication on that front, but I got it to them as soon as I had it. >> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Great. Seeing no additional comments. >> I got one other comment actually. Um, you brought up the parking restrictions for the Hawthorne lot, which um I think would you know >> play into the conversation we had about uh Cedar Hill and our last meeting we talked about parking enforcement on Humphrey Street and the number of

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citations that were issued this year. Can we kind of every so often get an update on parking enforcement, the number of citations that are being given out? I think that may spur further conversations amongst the board about enforcement. >> Sure, I'm happy to to do that. One conversation I have had uh with the

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chief and Captain Cable, which is not fully baked, the only reason we haven't talked about it, >> is looking at the way residential parking is enforced townwide to make sure that it is as appropriately enforced and provides the opportunities necessary in the areas where we need them uh as can be. So, it's something that we will come back to you with

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>> new thoughts for you all and recommendations for you all to make decisions on, but happy to talk about enforcement in sort of a regular ongoing basis. >> Yeah. I just think what if we instill some of those Hawthorne parking regulations back, I was casually counting the cars there last week when I had to park there and there was close to

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60 cars. Um, I would imagine there's going to be a spillover effect onto our parking availability on Humphrey Street and surrounding areas. So we I just think it would be helpful for the board to be um mindful of that and kind of monitoring the side effects of that. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah. And given beach season is starting

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hopefully um eventually one of these weekends we'll be able to go to the beach. So, if we could also have them designate like particular areas where enforcement is sort of being maintained because I know around the beaches we've

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had quite a few issues with parking on the wrong side of the street where the signage is and you know when tickets are issued and how often and all that. So, if we could just make sure we're proactive for each season though. >> Absolutely. You know, the other thing

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with um I think it's ocean ocean a um when we first changed the parking on ocean, we were told by Pete Kaine that there was significant amount of room to be able to have parking on both sides. Can you ask somebody to double check

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that because there isn't significant uh room on both sides and that might have to get adjusted? >> Sure. I think my last question. DPW and I think a consultant spent the last couple weeks repairing, rebuilding

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the it's not a boat launch, but the where the commercial fishermen kind of the used to access their pram and racks and they did a phenomenal job. It looks beautiful. They did a really good job. Um, but it might be helpful to consider talking to um, our friends on the Harbor Waterfront Committee about some signage

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there because that is not a boat ramp >> and it's not designed to be a boat ramp, but there is a lot of people saying that's a really nice boat ramp. So, we don't I bring that up because we want to just make sure that it is um, used appropriately for the intended use. >> Absolutely. >> But, Gino and team did a really good job

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fixing it. It looks great. >> Can I add one other thing, >> please? It's >> my daughter's 13th birthday and I told her that I would mention that tonight. So, happy birthday to Clara. >> Clara. >> Clara. Well, happy birthday, Clara. >> Shout out. >> Town of Swam Scott. You happy birthday.

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>> Proclamation time. >> Yeah, >> we don't proclamation. >> I had it as a note at the top and somehow I just skipped right over it. So, >> don't now you just admitted it to Clara. >> Thank you. >> Um, all right. So, we will move on to public comment then. Public comment we

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will limit to three minutes. Um, ask Nick if you wouldn't mind keeping the time. Please state your name, your address. Um, public comment is for anything on the agenda that is not a public hearing. Um, so if you're here to talk about IRA, um, then you can talk about it during that. And if you're here

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to talk about the liquor license, we will take public comment during that. All the other topics are public comment is right now. So, please rise and let us hear your comments, please. Brian Happy birthday to your daughter.

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>> Thank you. Um I know tonight is not >> Just say your name and your just in case people don't know you. >> Oh, I'm sorry. Uh Brian Watson, 20 Oak Road. Um I know tonight is not the select board doesn't anticipate a long and deep discussion about substantive issues uh regarding the Hawthon and and

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I'm so I'm not going to comment on any substantive issue. right now. Um, I just wanted to say that prior to a future meeting when that might become on the agenda, I wanted to say that there are a number of us uh from the Hawthorne committee and a few not from the committee who have been closely

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following the process. U those include myself, Jim Smith, John Bond and Don Giard. Don Giard was a planner who came and spoke to us uh and advised us for one meeting. Um we would like to say that we hope to continue participating uh both through discussion of the

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material in the committee report and by discussing other issues too with the select board. Uh our committee did produce a lot of useful information uh which we think will be helpful to the select board and the town uh and which can help importantly which can help in

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organizing uh the discussion about RFP content. uh it won't necessarily be an easy discussion to organize that material. Um one of the things our committee did do well, we did some things badly, but one of the things we did well over that 10-month process was to was to establish a really good and

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useful framework for uh discussing the the various site plans and the various issues and there are many issues. Uh and it and it helped us to stay organized many times. Um, the framework identified and and established explicit criteria and goals that kept our discussions

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manageable. When our discussions digressed too far into tangents, we could use our explicit criteria to sort of and the goals to sort of reel us back in. It was a way to try and keep discipline. You remember our committee was 12 people. It was not always easy to keep a discipline in a focused

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discussion. But the explicit criteria were really a useful uh tool. Um we were then not always I used to say we're not at the mercy of our own opinions all the time. Uh the criteria can really be good yard sticks. Um it's also good for transparency and fairness and public

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participation. Everybody can see what the rules are. Everybody can see what the goals are. So everybody can play. When the select board takes up discussion of what substance goes into the RFP, again explicit criteria and goals will help immensely to organize

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the selection of what goes in the RFP. Jim, John, Don, and myself and a couple others are willing to help with the RFP substance and discussions. That's I I like to say that's two lawyers, one architect, and a town planner. So, that's not too bad. Uh, we all have

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considerable experience both in writing RFPs and in replying to RFPs. Um, there are at least 10 or 12 fairly important issues that the Horththorn committee identified as needing resolution before an RFP could be written. They were things we either dis, you know, we

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disagreed among ourselves about or they were just things that needed more fleshing out. Um, and and the four of us and a couple others would welcome the opportunity to collaborate with the select board uh to help create a good RFP process and then there thereby a good RFP.

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>> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you, Brian. >> Anybody else for public comment? Hi, good evening. Um, Rachel Terodash, Katy Careralise, both of Stanley Road, but here on behalf of Big Blue Bargains,

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um, 155 Norfac. Um, good evening. Many of you know this, but Big Blue Bargains opened February 2025th, uh, 20, sorry, 2025 in the Clark boards. In our first year, we invested $28,000 back into the Swampscott community. On our one-year

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anniversary, we were lucky enough to be able to move into the Clark building. Uh since then, we've invested $31,000 back into the Swanscot community. So, most recently, we've given $10,000 to

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the senior center, $5,000 to Anchor Food Pantry, $2,000 to Seaglass Village, $1,000 to fund Sora, uh, her upkeep, uh, $1,900 for two benches through the Swampscott Commission on Disability, 2,700 to the preschool to continue the M

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music and movement class for next year. That's 31,000 in the past three months and just over $60,000 since we opened in February of 2025. >> Awesome. >> As a reminder, we are 100% volunteerrun. All of our proceeds go to running the

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store and back into the community. In addition to our monetary contributions, we've sponsored programming at the library, distributed gift cards to community partners, including the senior center, schools, charity organizations, and lo local healthcare offices to be

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given out to community members in need. We also have an ongoing partnership with the Discovery Point program at the Swans High School. We're excited to announce that we will be opening a free store in the portables this Saturday, uh, June 6

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from 9 to 11. We're looking forward to meeting the needs of some of our most vulnerable community members while offering them the ability to shop with dignity for clothing, housewares, and toys. So, we're here tonight to share our donations, but also to thank all of

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our volunteers, shoppers, donors, and the town for our space in Clark. Um, obviously more space means we have a bigger impact. Um, and we appreciate you reaching out and we look forward to continuing the conversation about how we can work together on the 16th. So, thank

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you. >> Anybody want to follow that up? Guess not. All right. We will move on then to uh old and new business. >> Someone's got >> Oh, no. I'm sorry. Please. >> No. Can you please approach the mic because the folks at home will want to

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hear you. I wanted to comment about so >> I want to make a comment about um permit and um >> so if you could just state your name and your address and then also >> I live at 196 street

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>> you may speak during the public hearing for Iraq but you can also speak now if you're more comfortable so there's a public hearing posted for the Iraq permit if you want to I can wait for that. >> Okay. Okay. That would be great. I will call on you then. Thank you.

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All right. So, we will move on then to um the reading of the Pride Proclamation. So, it would be my honor to to share with you the Pride Proclamation by the Swampscott Select Board. Whereas our

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nation and community were founded on principles of equal rights for all. And whereas Swampscott is committed to being an inclusive, welcoming community for all people regardless of sexual orientation or gender identity and recognizes that our diversity strengthens us, including residents who

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are lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, and questioning. And whereas the movement for equal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people reached a historic turning point during June 28th, 1969 with the Stonewall riots in New York City. Since then, the LGBTQ

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plus community has made significant progress, including marriage equality nationwide, state and federal workplace protections, and the Matthew Shepard and James Bird Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act. And whereas violence against LGBTQ plus community remains a serious concern

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in the United States, particularly in alarming rise in violence against transgender and gender non-conforming people. And whereas we must stand against those who threaten the safety of LGBTQ plus residents and undermine our progress, we must also continue to

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affirm a simple truth. All people want to love and be loved. And whereas Swamscott celebrates its diverse LGBTQ plus community and remains committed to ensuring equality for all residents, employees, and visitors. And now therefore, by the authority vested in

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the town administrator and the select board, we hereby proclaim June as pride month in the town of Swampscott, Massachusetts, and encourage all residents to celebrate and affirm our proud and diverse LGBTQ plus community throughout the year. A witness hereof, we have set our hands and caused the

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great seal of the town of Swampscott, Massachusetts, to be affixed this third day of June, 2026, signed on behalf of the select board. We will also be sharing a Junth proclamation.

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Uh whereas Swampscott is made up of people from every nation on earth who are declared equal not only in freedom but also in justice both of which are essential for a healthy human civilization. And whereas our nation was conceived on July 4th 1776 with the

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Declaration of Independence. The classic statement being, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all people are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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And whereas July 4th, 1776 represents the birth of the United States of America and commemorates the United States's independence from British rule, but did not offer independence and freedom to enslaved people. And whereas at 2 p.m. on New Year's Day, January 1st, 1863,

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using his war powers as president, Abraham Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation, providing that all enslaved people within any state or uh designated part of the state shall be then and henceforth and forever free. And whereas two and a half years later

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on June 19th, 1865, Major General Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston, Texas, announcing the end of slavery, stating, "The people of Texas are informed that in accordance with a proclamation from the executive of the United States, all slaves are free. This involves an

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absolute equality of personal rights and rights of property between former masters and slaves and the connection hereto for existing between them becomes that between employer and hired labor. And whereas Junth improves upon the

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nation's promise of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And whereas Junth commemorates the strength and resolve of black and African-Americans throughout our history and serves as an opportunity to celebrate the rich and numerous contributions of black and African-Americans.

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And whereas Junth is also known as emancipation day, freedom day, jubilee day, cell libertation, and junth independence day. And whereas June 19th, 2026 marks the 161st com

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161st commemoration of Junth. Now therefore, the Swamscott select board and the town administrator do hereby proclaim June 19th, 2026 as Junth and Swampscott. And we call upon all employees and residents of Swampscott to elect and reflect on this state's

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historic significance. and witness hereof, we have set our hands and caused the great seal of the town of Swampscott, Massachusetts to be affixed this third day of June 2026, signed on behalf of the select board. So, thank you for allowing those proclamations to be read. And I would

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just like to note that in both of these proclamations, the importance of allyship and coming forward and acknowledging that although we may feel more grounded in these ideals in our state, it's it's not nationwide and we

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need to continue to voice our allyship um for folks who are not feeling uh quite as supported. So glad that we are able to do that as a board. Thank you everyone. Any other comments?

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All right, we will now accept a little free library but from the girls. Would you guys like to come forward? welcome select board members. We are troop 70359. >> Oh, I'm Emma. I'm Emma Kan. I'm Grace

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Kan. I'm Hannah Hawkert. I'm Reagan Kent. and I'm Savannah Schultz. >> We are sixth graders at Psalms Scott Middle School. >> We are asking permission for our silver

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award to do our silver award. Silver award. A silver award is a project for Girl Scouts in sixth, seventh, and eighth grade that address problems in their community. The problem in the community that we are addressing uh solving is access to books

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to improve people's education. Next slide. >> Um we are going um to work to help solve the issue of literacy by collecting books at the farmers market and hosting story time at the farmers market.

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We are trying to solve this problem by making the little free library. This allows people to give and get books. We want to install these libraries at Clark School and Phillips Park. Um, we are making the little free libraries in carpentry club after school with the

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help of Mr. Lasso at SMS. We have already spoken with Mr. Lasso and we have a plan to make them next year. Uh, we were talking about the project on the ski bus in the winter and Charlotte Darcia, the head of the wreck department, overheard us and asked if we

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could make one for Clark School. And we are also making one at Philips Park because a lot of kids go there and we think it would be a good spot. >> Uh because we are making these. If you want us to paint them a specific color, we can do that. Just let us know.

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>> We have emailed Gino Cresta at the DPW and he said he would install them for us if you approved. >> Next slide. >> Okay. Uh thank you. We can take any questions or comments you guys have now. >> Thank you very much.

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>> Well, this is a great idea. >> Katie, do you have >> it? Thank you. >> Forever. >> Amazing. >> I think it's a great idea and I definitely think we need more of the little libraries. They're so they're so

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popular and there's never enough and I always want to put things in there and there's not enough room. So, I think we could certainly use Phillips Park. That's a really great idea. That's a good location. This is very cool. >> Thank you. >> Does anybody have any questions?

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>> Well, who who um who fills them and keeps them? Is that something you have to do, too? >> Yes, we >> do. You make a schedule on that? Like, how do you organize that? >> Um, we would be like checking up on them uh to see if they read fill and like we would also be donating books from our

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house, too. >> Got it. And so how many silver awards are are you required to do before you go to your gold award? >> Well, it's not like the amount of silver awards we do. It's the amount of people in a group. So it's from one to four,

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right? One to four people, but there's five people in a troop. So we have to do two. So we're doing two, but if it's like a troop of four, they just have to do one. >> Got it. >> Great. And then what comes after your silver award? >> Our gold award. >> Gold award. Right.

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>> And you're all five, you're one troop. >> Yes. >> So all five of you go and do the gold next. >> Probably if we stay in Girl Scouts. >> Well, so are you making a commitment to staying in Girl Scouts right here on >> No pressure. >> Yeah. >> All right. Good.

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>> How many How many will you be making? >> Uh probably just two because we think that's a good amount for We also have to see how much wood we have in carpentry club. >> Okay, got it. >> When are you guys going to start the uh

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farmers market story time? >> Is that a next year thing? >> We Yeah, we don't have a complete set date yet, but we'll hope to start them sort of soon. Maybe. >> I will be there. I've got a four-year-old who loves story time, and I love dropping them off for story time, so I'll be there.

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>> You might want to negotiate that. >> Great job, though. This this is really cool. >> It's great to see you guys do this. >> Yes, we very much appreciate the fact that you I mean it can be a little scary to come forward and speak in public. So, we appreciate how brave you guys are to do that. >> And um I don't know. Do we have to take

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a vote, Nick? How do we how do we handle this? >> Why don't you take a vote? >> Why don't we take a vote? Feels official that way. Everybody who'd like to support the silver project with the Girl Scouts. >> Yes. >> Oh. Oh, you want to say >> Oh, I thought you wanted Go ahead. You make a motion >> uh to support the Girl Scout troop in

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making their little libraries. >> Take a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> I. All right. Well, we support you and thank you very much for supporting us. >> Thank you. >> All right. >> Very good. >> Okay. So,

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>> we're good. Okay. So I will take a motion to move into the joint meeting with IRC. We have to open the public hearing. So I'll take a motion to open the public hearing. >> So moved. >> In a second. >> I. >> All in favor? >> I. >> I. Okay. Iraq, you want to Are you

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officially having a meeting? You I think you're there enough of you. >> All right. So, uh, we are here to discuss the earth removal permit for AmI who some of you may know as Aggregate back in the day.

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Um, and obviously we've we've had you guys before us annually for quite some time. Uh, we we'll listen to the IRA approval and then if Amise wants to speak and then we'll take public comment. So, I know there's at least one person who would like to comment. Yep.

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Want to take it away? >> My name is >> Kerian. I am chair of the earth removal uh the earth >> removal advisory committee. >> There you go. >> Small committee. Um I'm here with members Tony Banderwitz and John

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Picarelloo and me representatives from Amry are here, Jared Temple and Chris Dukus. And each year now we uh come to the board with a a um proposed recommended uh permit for AmI. The process is that

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we recommend and the the select board approves and that's what we're doing now. Um Amry submits their their application for a permit on on March 31st and we have uh whatever time we can take to to go over it. the each year we

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come with amendments to the permit and they're primarily focused on streamlining language, clarifying language, um consolidating language. Um there's very little that's um substantive uh in in what we do. Uh

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we're a little bit um prevented from doing that because of the litigation that took place not too long ago where there was a settlement agreement relative to blast limits and blast parameters. So we we don't touch those at all. Um but in other respects uh we do look at the permit to see what works

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and what doesn't work and and if we can come up with a better way to do that and uh when we do meaning the members of IRA do have ideas we routinely discuss them with AMIS because uh we may say something works should work well then they'll say well there's a reason why it

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won't so in in some respects it's it's new ideas or collaborative to uh what's what we try to establish is what we're what's our goal here and then how best we how best we can get there. Um, you did receive in your packages both the uh the recommended permit as well as two

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memorandum. One uh outlines the changes that we're proposing. The other uh is specific to the select board and the town administrator uh and focuses on sections where um uh you're mentioned

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and we make recommendations to remove you from being mentioned which might sound like a power grab but it's not. Um and and and I al in that memorandum it's also also included is all the areas where the

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select board and the town administrator um are retained. Um and I think on on balance they are much more critical decisions than the where where uh we've eliminated is primarily notice uh and the the simplest one was is it really necessary that the select board be be

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given notice when the wheel wash is down? Uh it's stuff like that. And and it also keeps in mind that if um I think historically the select board has not directly communicated with the AmI or the quarry operators, they've typically

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gone through us and and historically if you have questions or you have uh interest or demands, you go through IRA. So I don't think removing uh the select board from certain parts where you're given where you might be given notice is

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changes the role and changes the relationship between Iraq and the select board. Um beyond that um I I suppose I could go through these but I'm not sure you want I mean you you want me to I will but I'd

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much rather have um receive questions. Um the only we are going to present a final draft of this permit recommendation for your vote on the 17th and uh there's always something that

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comes up either u a change that you folks desire or we find typos and we find other little little uh discrepancies that need to be cleaned up. But I will also say that uh the the permit that you receive or the

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recommendation that you receive on the 17th will not include the signatures of the board of health. Uh that's a change from the past. Uh board of health signatures have been on, but uh there's really nobody knows why they were put

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on. Uh the the earth removal um bylaw is article 13 of of the of the general bylaws and nowhere in there is there a requirement that the board of health sign off on onreck permits whether it's a quarry or otherwise. So um I did speak

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with the board of health chair and let her know that this is what I was going to tell you uh tonight and uh so I just wanted to alert you to that that so it's not a surprise. So take any questions if I can't answer them. We have plenty of

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people here who have can. >> Um so I do have an email from Gargi from uh this is not on behalf of the board of health because the board of health has not meant to discuss this topic. They hopefully will meet between now and the 17th so that they can you know come forward with any additional commentary

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before we talk about it on the 17th and you know filter that back through Iraq. But I just wanted to read um from the email Gari requested because she couldn't be here tonight. Um so spoke to Joe Mararyian last evening. He informed me that article 13 does not

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state that the board of health has any authority to sign on the MRI permit. After speaking to him, I did review the article and the AmI permit. While I admit I have not fully understood the board's role to this point, I want to point out a few concerns I see when reviewing the article and the permit that is going ahead of the select board tonight. When reviewing the earth

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removal bylaw, particularly section 3 and 14, I believe the board of health should formally discuss its intended role and authority in the earth removing permitting process. So, they're going to sit down and talk about that. Section three states that no permit may be granted if earth removal operations

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would endanger public safety or adversely affect residents health and quality of life or harm groundwater, surface water, wetlands, or other environmental resources. and these are matters that fall squarely within the board of health's expertise and responsibility. Yet, the current interpretation of the bylaws suggests

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that the board of health is neither required to review the permit application nor grant formal authority to act on information submitted to with with them. This raises a fundamental question. If public health and environmental impacts are central permitting criteria, but the board of health has no meaningful role in evaluating or addressing the impacts,

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who is responsible for making those determinations? The question is reinforced by the application materials which require monitoring data and reports to be submitted to the board of health. There are multiple places where the permit states the data reports and issues should then be directed to the board of health if the board of h health

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lacks the authority to review, comment on, require corrective action or influence permit decisions based on the information. The purpose of those reporting requirements is unclear. Section 14 provides for the appointment of one board of health representative to the -ack committee. The board of health is has no other formal authority under

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the bylaw. This appointment may be its only mechanism for raising and evaluating public health concerns during the permitting process. According to the board, accordingly, the board should carefully consider its representation and ensure its appointee is prepared to assess and advocate for public health interests. We have not been given the

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opportunity to appoint someone to this committee and I do feel the board of health should have time to review and ch and change their appointment if they wish. More broadly, the bylaw may warrant future review to determine whether the board of health's role is adequately defined and whether responsibility for protecting public health is matched by significant

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authority within the permitting process. While I'm not trying to hold up the permanent permitting process, I hope the select board can review this and help us as the board of health determine the best path forward that empowers us to do our role in protecting the public health. Thank you for considering this

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and reviewing it further, Gargi. So again, this is Garg's request as the chair. They have not discussed as the board of health. I know Joe, you and I had chatted briefly about um there is a board of health appointee right now, but you also have an open seat.

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>> So we could just if it's the recommendation of the board of health to put somebody else on. That's fine for the board of health. We can shift the current member to the open seat. If that is your recommendation in the next meeting, we can put that. >> It is mine. I I'm fully supportive of um the board of health having a more direct

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line of communication with Iraq. Um I I think it's a little premature to talk about, you know, what formal role the board of health might have. I mean, it really is going to take a bylaw change uh to do to do that. So, it's that's premature and and and I and I definitely

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have thoughts about that. >> Um but uh John is the is the board of health appointee. he's willing to resign that position and um and reapply. >> I'm sure we have his application

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somewhere >> to the to Iraq uh to fill the seat that is currently unopen which is an a select board appointed seat. So, um we're happy to execute that as early as the 17th. Okay. and the board of health can I know they're meeting on the 11th and they may

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>> um it they may well they can plan what whichever one they would like to plan in that regard. >> So um I do recognize the value of the of a board of health input into the issues that we deal with but I also would point out that that this permit is uh 17 pages

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long. It's got 36 different sections and a couple of paragraphs. We can we can debate which are pertinent to the board of health and which are not, but um I would rather have them see them having greater input than to set up a

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circumstance where two bodies are approving our permit. Uh that just sets up conflict. That's not good policy. That's not good government. So um so I'm all in favor of greater input by the board of health. And um I will also mention that um that uh George Allen has

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circulated his comments after having re read our permit and um I think those are are relevant and um and and and over the course of time would like to bring those up at our meetings and and use it as a

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as a prompt to to really re-evaluate our entire approach to dust management and dust testing. uh to to to really to talk about what what are our goals here and the way we've got it set up now is that

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the best way to achieve them and um so that's that's going to be on the agenda for for IRA as well and I'm certain the board of health will be a big part of that discussion. >> The the permit allows for us to tweak the permit at any point during the year,

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right? So sure does. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We're >> So that just means that on the 17th, all we have to do is uh appoint on John John resigns, we just have to make sure on the 17th we reappoint John. >> Yep. And then that the board of health

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comes forward with a recommendation for their appointee so that we can make sure that they're represented, right? >> Yeah. Theirs would just go in there. >> Yep. And then um >> we don't have to approve We don't approve that >> there. I don't I would have to >> I would have to look into it if we approve it. the board of health.

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>> The board of health appointee. No, they just put him on. Y >> Okay. Um so I think what we should just be thoughtful about is uh this they apprise uh applied for this

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permit in back in March and you guys have been ongoing having ongoing discussions and now we have some subject matter experts who are appointed to the board of health which is fantastic and we want to move in a direction of understanding and making sure that some of these things are you know taken care

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of where they can be but I I guess we want to understand the appetite of the board whether that needs to happen before the 17th or if that can happen over time because I think we want to set up all these partners for success here and understanding what the direction is. >> Can you just clarify uh if what needs to

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happen before the 17th or >> so there's some comments well so so there's comments from Gari about sort of the whole concept of how the board of health interplays with the permit like is the expectation of the board that they're going to have figured that figured out. I don't think it can because the bylaw says what the bylaw

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says. >> Just suggest from my many years of participation as the planning board leaison to Iraq. >> I cannot imagine these issues will be worked out before the 17th even if everybody wanted them to. >> Correct. >> So let's not put ourselves in a position of failing and not meeting our permit deadlines where we can edit this in the

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future as the bylaw dictates. >> So I'd like to give Mr. Allen an opportunity to speak on behalf. >> Yep. I will open public comment just after we ask questions if anybody had any. >> Well, I think I think so some of my questions are going to be pertinent

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relative to his comments um relative to some of the technical pieces of it. Um I think he's um >> uh I'm not looking to hold up the the the resolution to to issue the permit. However, um he has pointed out some some

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flaws um particularly in paragraphs five and six that I that I have to agree that need some investigation. >> Um and >> uh I'm willing, you know, her if allowed for him to speak um to comment on that

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after. >> Okay, great. >> I'd like to know what the history is in terms of participation from the board of health prior. Is this this is entirely a new recommendation? Am I understanding that correctly? >> Chris answered that. Chris has historical knowledge.

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>> I got I I will say if you're addressing that question, I will say that I am not receptive at all at making changes to the way the test studies are done now or the reports are done now. I think it requires more than just a discussion tonight. I think it discuss it needs a

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discuss thorough discussion at this at the committee level not at the select board level at this point and so even if there was an expression of making changes I would advise against it because we really need to look at it

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more deeply. I mean this is I mean his uh Mr. Allen's comments are substantive and I don't think they can be be resolved by hearing a public comment. >> Sure. Could you explain the history of

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of the board of health involvement in any relationship in this in the permit from prior years? >> I'm sorry. Say again. >> The relationship with the board of health in prior years with the permit process. >> Has there been any is this a new a new suggestion? >> Participation

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assistance. >> You can Yes. Tony, would you mind sharing the mic down a little bit and then you share one? Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm having trouble understanding what she's saying. >> Hi, Chris Dukus. I've been represented, as I said, the quarry under the uh earth

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bylaw since 1994 when it first came into existence. And at that time, the town had a different charter than it had now has now. And it was the exclusive under that

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charter was the exclusive jurisdiction when regulating noise uh was granted was given it an unusual situation but it was it was regulation of noise itself was strictly the board of health's purview wasn't the

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selectman's purview wasn't anybody else's purview that was also consistent with state law at the time I think it's still pretty consistent with state law. Um, so and back then there was supposed to

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be a member of the board of health on the Iraq for the purpose of overseeing that. And then uh it was also because of their jurisdiction, we decided at that point in time that they should have the opportunity,

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especially where they had a member on the on the IRA, to look at look at the permit uh and then sign off on it. So since 1994, they've been signitories. over the years

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uh they lost interest uh or felt comfortable with the way that it was being handled and it became more proformer than anything else. But that's the history of it. That's why they're there. And um I I'm not sure that

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there's any need to do anything other than maybe get one of their members back on the E-Rack and let's work on this to the through the next permit because uh we we've come so far and we we don't have a lot of time to get this permit

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done, >> right? >> Um and I think that the the testing that is done uh every year uh to a certain degree and particularly now under the present permit of the

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three times that will happen this year uh I think will uh put you put everybody's fears to rest. >> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that background. >> I have a question. Is there anything So it sounds like there's nothing in the

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charter that mandates the board of health is involved in the permit. There's nothing in our bylaws and there's nothing statutoily in >> statutoily. Yeah, they still have power to regulate >> to regulate noise. >> Noise. Just noise. Not >> noise.

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>> Okay, >> Tony. >> You know, I it's I think everyone has seen George's comments. Um I I think we're you know having him go over them again. It it just doesn't seem um it seems better to have a discussion within

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the advisory committee because I think what I'd like to hear is Amry's response to that and not just AmI but their consultant who's actually doing the testing because you know we're tonight we would only hear one side. We're not

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going to hear um the testers. Um so I think that's best taken. >> Did I hit you? >> Close. >> That's best um within the committee. >> Yeah. I'd also point out that the next

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testing period is uh July 1st to August 30th. So uh the next time a test takes place. So there is there is some time. >> Okay. So what I would like to do is open for public comment. So obviously the public's allowed to come up and speak.

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Um I know we have one um individual who already came up so I will welcome her first if she wouldn't mind. >> Well >> well could you just come to the mic just because the the recording needs to capture all the things that you are saying for folks at home if you don't

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mind. >> Once again I'm live 196 street. Um I agree with Wayne. I would like to hear what George Allen has to say because that might cover my question and I think it's really important. The other thing that Mr. D said I think it was

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reflecting on that three times a year um monitoring the air pollution um at the Corey is totally inadequate. Um it doesn't follow the EPA regs three days a year tells you what's happening on those three days only and it leaves out almost

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350 other days when we don't know what's happening. So the methodology is really flawed and I think that's the important thing we need to talk about and that's what Mr. Allen is going to be referring to. So my question he might cover my question so if it's okay I'll wait to

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hear him speak if you allow that. Would anybody else like to rise for public comment? >> Okay. I mean, if you want to make public comment, >> well, if they're not going to be opened up, >> anybody online comic

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smelling much? >> It's sort of here. I talk loud. It's But it is a little low. >> You just have to be closer to it. I think >> I'll talk loud. Okay, I can do that. Um, George Allen, 27 Baby AB. Um, I'd like to talk about uh some of the air mon

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some comments on the air monitoring issues of concern that are in the draft uh quarry earth removal permit. But first, a disclaimer. I am a board of health member, but these comments do not necessarily reflect the position of the swamps board of health. Um, second, a

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little bit about me. Uh, I am the chief scientist at a nonprofit environmental organization in Boston. I've been doing air pollution research for more than 40 years and have served on multiple EPA scientific advisory committees for the review of air pollution standards including the M10 over the last 20

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years. Uh Jeff Vaughn of the health department forwarded me the two quarry monitoring reports for my review uh last month, the two from 2025. Uh the board of health met briefly to discuss this at the 514 meeting, but we did not take any

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action. The topic was just brought up. By the way, the next meeting, the 11th, has been pushed back. The board of health meeting is now on the 16th. That's Tuesday, one day before your next meeting. So, we do hope to be able to get together before then, but it's now

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scheduled for the tentatively for the 16th on the board of health. So anyhow, I've re reviewed the the two most recent quarry monitoring reports and the current uh draft Iraq permit for the quarry operations uh starting July 1. Uh

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the permit includes specifications and limits for air pollution monitoring uh in sections 3, four and six specifically for PM10 and for crystallin silica which is a component of PM10. Uh the issue as I see it is that the sampling required

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by the existing permit and that was performed in 2025 is insufficient to be used for comparison to and determine compliance with healthbased standards for PM10 or crystallin silica those

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words are very carefully chosen but this does not mean there is a health hazard due to quarry activities I want to stress that it means we do not have sufficient data demonst demonstrate that there are no health hazards uh from quarry activities. I will leave it

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there. Uh the rest of the material is in the the letter that I sent around and most of you have, but if you have any questions, I'm up there. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Any additional public comment, please?

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if you wouldn't mind just speaking closer to the mic that might help too. >> Um I just I have a question about um part of what I read in the report and it's about the per client request to put constraints on what's being measured. Um and to me from what I understand about

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air pollution which I'm trying to understand for the last 20 years um is that the constraint is leaving out a lot of particle sizes that we want to be measured in these reports. So, it makes me really curious about why this per uh

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per client request was made. Thanks. >> What section of the permit was that? If you wouldn't mind. >> I didn't get that. >> Okay. >> It's on um it's in George's paper. It's on um I think it's six number six. Okay.

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>> Can we have George's paper added into the minutes? >> We can. Yes. >> That okay with you, George? Yeah. Okay. >> Worth having him just read it so everyone's on the same page. No. >> No. Okay. >> I think Okay. So, the suggestion I would

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make at this point is um it's twofold. One, I think the topic is important and needs to be vetted and discussed. And two, we worked very hard to get our relationship back with our Corey members and Iraq has been doing a

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great job. We settled litigation. They've come forward and shown up in ways that we've requested for blasting and um other conditions that have been part of the permit. That is not to say that we can't put forth other conditions to the permit. That's not to say we're

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not committed to do that. But I do think there's a process in place to do that. And unless my board members sort of disagree, I think it's best to have the board of health member appointed to the IRA committee to have conversations happen within committee and then for the

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committee to come forward with suggestions because I am not wellversed in sound pollution. >> No. >> Um and I am not even as well verssed in all of the relationships that have been cultivated over the years involving all

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of the different provisions of this permit. So, uh, every conversation is a negotiation, a give and take, and I think we have to have this conversation amongst the committee first and then come forward with a suggestion. Um, that doesn't sound like that's going to happen by the 17th, but as Marielleen

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already stated, we have the ability to propose come to a a mutual understanding and propose any conditions to the permit going forward um, under provisions of the permit. So, I I I feel like I want to get it right. I understand, you know,

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Wayne's hesitation to approve something that doesn't feel totally >> Well, no, to be clear, I'm not hesitant about approving it. I just want to reserve the right Sure. >> to to go back and revisit this and that it's an active >> it's an active conversation that's happening. >> Great. So, I think we're in agreement,

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but does that seem like a fair request? >> It does. I mean, I have full faith in Iraq as well as the board of health to listen to all the concerns and really gauge what the be best path forward is. I don't really think it's in our best interest to try to adjudicate that. I I

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leave that to the committees. Um I have full faith in that. And I also don't want to delay um our permit situation, you know, based on the fact that we can certainly make changes or edits at any point if you you know the committees deem that necessary and want to recommend that to us. So

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>> what I would suggest or put out for the board and your boards to consider and amize um you you have your testing starting in July that that testing period is July through September. End >> of August. >> July through August. Okay. So maybe spend the summer when you have a new

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board of health leazison on there having a some of these conversations and then we can find a time at the after that to just get an update from how those conversations are and just to ensure that we're all >> working together on the same page at least for how things are progressing.

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>> Well, my my intent uh is to call a meeting of Iraq soon after the 17th. There were some other matters that uh we had occas we have to address but uh George's comments will be on that agenda. >> Great. Okay. Great.

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>> Can I ask a process question please? >> It is both uh I think involves the select board as well as the board of health and your act. >> Sure. >> So if according to the permit um uh notices are given to the board of health before testing um the reports and

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analyses are forwarded to the board of health. Is the board of health a documentarian only or does the board of health have to technically accept a report? >> No, they don't have any authority. >> You have to read it on its face. Okay. Board of Health receives reports. Uh it

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receives analysis. There's nothing in there that says they they have to review it. There's nothing in there that says they have to approve it. Um it says what it says, you know, that they receive it. And and I would say that now that if in the future they

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have one of their members on Iraq, whatever concerns the board of health has, they're going to funnel back to Iraq. And and so it's not it's not that they don't have input. Um, but I I I just will resist any terminology that

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suggests that that the board of health has authority to veto our reports and our our recommendations because if you do that then it becomes a board of health. >> Well, it would need a by you would need a need a bylaw change in order to do

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that. So, I don't think we're >> Yeah. >> anybody's entertaining that. >> Okay. Well, I I think uh also we should we should try this path forward first before we even consider that like I uh everybody seems very open to the board

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of health feedback and if Iraq is on the same page as the board of health then >> there shouldn't be an issue as to facilitating some of the recommendations. So let's just see where we get before we sort of make hay where there isn't. So >> yeah, this could all be resolved through

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some of the conversations you all have together and >> which is why we're not the best board to try to mitigate that here. So let's >> we leave it to you in your good hands. >> And if there are changes that you all agree should be made before the 17th, then we will consider those. But it

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sounds like that might be difficult if board of health isn't meeting till the 16th. I wouldn't expect that we would sort of rush around trying to >> no >> facilitate some of that. if we could meet prior like the 11th seemed like there was a little bit more space but I think the 16th is not plausible.

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>> I I think it's going to take more than one meeting of to sort out these issues. So it's it's it's really going to be >> there will be opportunity to make changes if the board seeks to do that. >> Okay, >> great. >> I have some questions outside of this. Um yes,

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>> have you where do we stand as far as with neighbors being able to get surveys and complaints from neighbors? Do we have any do we have any data as far as how many complaints the fire department has received or you know what's happening? >> Yeah. Um that that question has been

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asked. I John usually is more um involved with the complaints. Uh and John do you are you aware of any? >> I am not. Uh and if there is any I I usually get a I usually get a phone call

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to take and try to resolve the issue, answer questions. Um but rec recently um specifically this year the blasts have been pretty reasonable even um well below the limits that we've set in the

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permit. So I don't know if street residents will be affected from their blast this summer because they're on the Danas roadside this year. um that affects the Essex Street people

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as much more than anybody else further out. >> Uh you're not going to hear from Nickel Street, you're not going to hear from Carson and Terrace. It's going to be Essex Street and the neighborhoods abing that that are going to be affected. Um I expect if there is any complaints I

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expect to be heard. So, how do I if so, if I'm a neighbor, if I'm living on Nicholls or Essex or Samson, somewhere like very close there, and we go and we approve this new permit, how do I go about making sure that the Corey comes

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in and I don't know, you do a a survey or a video, how do I know that I have access to this and do I have to do this every single year? How how does that >> how do we get that out to people? My recol recollection is that last year we sent out or you guys sent out a letter

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to all of the abutters. Uh we have an abutters list. Uh there's also uh radius of 300 yards I think or something that's listed as all of Butters within and and reminded people that they're entitled to a video survey of the interior and their

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exterior of their homes. Um I don't think we had takers many takers. I don't know. >> No. And it's there's a record of it. We we get it back from uh the company Precise that performs surveys. >> Do do you send that out again as the permit gets renewed?

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>> So yes, it goes out to >> everyone that he just said. So all of the utters, anyone within 300 ft and they can respond. >> Okay. >> And in fact thenual response they go and knock on they go door to door and they knock on >> all the doors that are above us or

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within 300 feet of the property line. What's the time frame on when you do this? >> Uh we did this last um spring. >> It's February as usual. >> Even earlier >> when when the notification goes out and then the surveys are done. >> But you're blasting during the summer, right?

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>> During the summer. Yes. >> Right. So you're blasting during the summer. We're going to approve this now. So I'm just thinking if people that live within that 300 yards, can we >> get that request out or that that information out right away so they get it? I believe that is part of the per

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it's in the permit application. Everyone who who uh responded and everyone who got a pre-blast survey is included in the application. >> Right? But here's my issue is what happens if somebody was away or they weren't paying attention or their spouse didn't give them and they didn't they

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they didn't take advantage of that. Now we have a new permit. How do they take advantage? >> Well, e even if they did have visible visible damage, they have to fill out forms. they have to report to the uh fire department, >> right?

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>> Um the the um AmI has to presum provide blast data from the date that was talked about. Uh so that data is collected, it's reviewed internally by us by by Amry, by the fire department, but the claims that the that the resident is

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making is not against the town. It's against an insurance company and the town is out of it. You know, >> I understand that. Well, the town's really not out of it because we sit here and we take the phone calls. So, my concern is if I screwed up and I didn't

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make get that survey on my house and all of a sudden you're blasting through the summer, how am I protected? >> I don't think you are. >> So, well, you you could still file a claim without a survey. >> Correct. >> So, you are protected. So, there there there is no prerequisite to have a video

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survey done in order to make a claim. That's the first >> What are the chances? What are the chances that >> Right. That is correct. But I'm just my layman's opinion, you know, that's I mean I haven't practiced law in a long time, but but I if there's not visible evidence

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um an insurance companies, you know, how they operate, the insurance company's going to buy >> I think we had the data when we were going through this conversation last year and the year before, very few claims get paid. Very few claims come to fruition. So >> what's the problem? Well, so we talked

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about two years ago ways in order to try to facilitate a better claims process or something like that. That's comes up as part of conversation every year with with I don't know if it came up this year with Iraq, but we have talked about it in years past. And

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is the expectation that what what would you like the expectation to be that would be more direct for Iraq to be able to facilitate something? So are you looking for notification to occur seasonally? Are you looking for >> I would like that people within that neighborhood within that area have the

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opportunity to have a >> what is the name of that >> pre-blast >> pre-blast survey done you know uh >> we we will we'll >> they could have it done now if they have it done now and then at least they have the pre-blast survey and if god forbid something happens they have that as

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>> um go ahead >> so just to clarify what the what the pre-blast survey actually does it. So if you ask for it, someone comes out and they they look and said, "Oh, there's damage here. There's damage here." It's all taken down and put in a report. So

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once it's there, the next year, you don't need another pre-blast survey. It's not what would happen if you had a complaint saying, "Hey, I had damage this year." Okay. Then you go to the fire department, you fill out an FP296, and then there's a process that gets

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followed through. And as Joe said, this is an insurance issue. So it doesn't go through AmI. It doesn't go through the town. It goes through the insurance company for the third party blasting company that we use. >> So that's that's how that process works. So someone who gets a pre-blast survey,

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you don't need one every year. And most the most the residents have had one, they don't ask for it again. Typically this is for new residents, people new in town, that kind of thing. Um, and you don't frankly need the pre-blast survey till

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>> file file an FP29, >> right? But a pre-blast survey if it shows that my living room is intact and you take video of that my living room and then all of a sudden you have some days where you're blasting away and I have a crack going across my ceiling.

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I'm put in a better position of getting that fixed. So, >> it's a pro thing to do. So all I'm asking for is >> have people, you know, people within that area have the opportunity if they want >> if they want that pre-blast survey, have

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an opportunity to get it. >> If somebody were to approach you at any point during the year and request a pre pre-blast survey, would you ever say no? >> Correct. I would perfect. Thank you. >> We're there. >> Please letting me comment again. Um I'd like to tell you what a neighbor told me. Um I was a few weeks ago I was up

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walking around Nickel Street and all the streets that boarded the Corey. I was passing out flyers um to try to help get the purple air monitors because we need some that are closer to the quarry than like at the train station, the high school, etc. And I talked to a neighbor who told me that she had just she had

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had her kitchen renovated and not long after that she had a crack going down the ceiling and her insurance company told her that she would have had to have been home looking at that wall when the crack happened in order to be paid. So I think the people that live around the

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quarter, the the Corey, they've just been disappointed in everything. I think they've just some of them have just stopped making comments. They've just kind of given up. And if that's what's required, if a blast, you know, to connect a blast to a crack in a home, who's going to be standing watching their wall when the blasts are

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occurring? >> So that's just what I wanted to tell you was what that neighbor told me. >> Thank you. >> I have a quick question about on the permit. The um abutters list is from 2022. Is that being is that stay actively updated with the town

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>> and with Amoriz? >> Yes, we we update the list based on Yes, the list is updated based on the assesses data and then we also have um this year we end up using the list that was provided to us by Amoris um of the

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Abuis and then we also went out past 300 ft away from the edge of the quarry. >> Okay. Okay. I I just only my comment is only relative to the notation that was on the permit that says uh s um swamps got a butters list from 4722.

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That's why I was >> the premise of my question. >> So that was included in the application but in but in practice what we did is we used the current data from the assessor's office to notify all of the abusers. >> Okay. >> Thank you Mercy.

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>> Okay. So, are there any additional questions we want to ask of you rack or before we Okay, so seeing none, we will see you guys back in two weeks and appreciate you guys need to close out your meeting and we'll close the public meeting, but

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um if there's anything else that comes up, you can facilitate it through the town administrator to facilitate to us before then. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Close the meeting. >> All in favor? I will

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>> I'll take a motion to close the public um hearing. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I I Okay. Thank you very much. >> Appreciate your hard work. >> Oh, I want to do we can we're going to post a new public you want to continue it or do you want to? >> No, let's continue it.

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>> Okay. So, I'll resend the motion and ask for a revised motion to continue the public hearing to the 17th. Thank you, Chris. >> All in favor? >> I Okay, so we have just continued the public hearing. So we don't we don't have to renotice it. >> There we go. >> Thank goodness for Chris. >> All right. We did the same.

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>> Okay. We will I will now move on to the um public hearing for the liquor license uh for Swampscott Center for Performing Arts. >> Um so I will take a motion for to open the public hearing

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>> for Mary Ellen is the motion. Can I have a second? >> Second. >> Second. Ted, all in favor? >> I >> I Okay. So we are now opening the public hearing for the liquor license. This is the first hearing of the um the liquor license. So Marzy, do you want to give a

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little or Nick? Are you prepared to do? Oh, okay. Um yes, it's my pleasure to um speak or or or be here this evening um to present to you an application from um John for the uh Swamscott uh performance

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center performing arts center, sorry. um at um Hawthon uh the former Hawthon restaurant at um apologize holding um um Humphrey Street. Um and the applicant is

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John Niccastro. He is uh here in the audience today. So if you have any questions, we'll be happy to address them. Um, the applicant is seeking an all alcohol license um to be um for the premises for the hours from 11:00 a.m.

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to 1:00 p.m. Monday through Saturday. >> It's 11:00 a.m. to >> 1:00 a.m. >> 1:00 a.m. >> So, Monday, seven days a week. >> Okay. Um, Marzy, what did do you know the details of the ho the Hawthorne the

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license they held like the hours of operation and they had an all alcohol license also? Um, oh, um, yes. When Hawthon was operating their alcohol, uh, the hours of operations were Monday through Thursday from 11:30 to 10 p.m. Um, Friday and Saturday from

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11:30 to, um, 11:00 p.m. and Sunday from 10 from 12 to 10:00 p.m. But I also would like to point out to you that um, the adjacent businesses, such in the Mission on the Bay, Yeah. Um, their liquor license is um until 1:00 am

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>> till 1:00 am all nights. >> Yep. >> Um >> I believe Sam Walker is as well I believe. >> Yep. Monday through Sunday 11 to 1. >> This print out that you all have we didn't include in the packet but we put it together or pulled it from a previous presentation over the weekend. >> So mission on the bay Sam Walker's um

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the dock side. >> I know. >> So we're just looking at making everything equal. That seems to be the greatest. Um, >> yep. The yacht club is also till 1:00 a.m. >> Whoa. >> All righty.

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>> I'm going to run over. >> Oh. All right. Uh, I know the applicant is here. Did you want to speak? Did you want to say anything? >> I'm I'm here to answer any questions that you have. >> Very good. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions for the applicant or

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Marzy? >> Wait, just to repeat, what was the hours again? I apologize. I was >> 11 a.m. till 1 >> 11 a.m. 1:00 a.m. >> Monday through Sunday, which is >> like Marcy said, parallel to mission.

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>> Yep. Yeah, you got this. Yep. >> So, this isn't a renewal. This is a new one, >> correct? >> Yes, that's correct. This is a new applicant and a new new um all alcohol license. >> So because it's already it's already been there. Can we just vote on this

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tonight? >> I mean we typically >> we typically do we typically do but I think the reason I'm asking because it's not new. >> I >> What do you mean? >> I mean >> but is it is new? I mean it was not entertainment at that point. there because there was a liquor license there

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before. But there was >> I'm good. I'm good with whatever you want to do. I'm just bringing it up. That's >> Listen, even when we have liquor licenses which exist in we still listen to them twice because we allow for the public to come forth and have opinions about it. There is no public here tonight to comment on it. So I would think in the spirit of

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>> Sounds good. >> Maybe what you've said in the past, it's important to allow for the public to come forward and have an opportunity to to speak on it. um unless there is some other urgency. >> To be clear, there's two different things. There's a liquor license and the

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entertainment license separate. >> There are three things. >> There are three things. There's a common vitell's license, there's an entertainment license, and there's a liquor license. The public hearing is only in regard to the liquor license. So, that's all we're discussing right now. And then we'll move on to the other licenses. >> Thank you. >> And just to highlight, even though there's no one physically here, we did

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do a notification, right? Yeah, >> contacted the 300 ft and >> that that was you know all done according to process. >> Thank you. Notice was posted item as well >> that the only urgency that that I see is

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just that the ABC is so backed up >> and we're trying to get open as soon as possible. Okay. >> So that that's the only urgency that I see is just that we just want to get open as soon as we can. >> Sure. >> Marcy, I have question for you. I have heard from uh other folks that I've done

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business with there's a significant backlog at the ABCC. Do you know from your experience what that timeline is like? >> It really depends. Uh we did reach out to a contact at the alcohol beverage control commission. Um they couldn't really give us a sense. Um you know it's

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it's a week by week, day by day depending how many visits they're able to do, site visits and others. Um, I can tell you that um the board has approved um the all Elka package license alcohol for um the um Richdale location and they

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approved it within like two or 3 weeks time but that was also an existing that was only a change in um license. So maybe that was a little bit quicker but I don't have a good sense in terms of how soon that would be turned around. >> What has it typically been?

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>> It could take up to a month. Oh, okay. Okay. >> But the is okay. Two things. One, can we leverage some of our state relationships to figure out to make sure that there are no swans scout businesses like sitting in queue? Like is there any

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>> We can reach out to our elected officials. It's the type of thing that may or may not make move, but we'll absolutely be happy to call. >> Okay. >> But right now, we don't have any pending licenses yet with the right just >> this one. >> Yeah. What is the um proposed uh date

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that you would like to open it? I know it's probably >> We plan on having an open house on July 3rd, no matter what. >> Okay. >> Just to invite the town and the community to come and see what's going on, whether uh the license is approved or not. We want to just be open on the 3. >> Okay.

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>> So people can see what's happening. >> Is it possible to have a special Zoom meeting >> for what? for this liquor license for a second hearing. >> Yes, it is possible.

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>> We can we can talk about that. >> I think given the fact that we are it's a unique property, right? I mean, we've g they're tenants of ours and it's a tight timeline that we've given them. I uh think I'm open to that conversation.

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>> Yeah. I just want to make sure that the public understands though that they can come forward and have thoughts and opinions just like they have for all other instances. So, >> um I don't just want to change the standard at >> I'm in complete agreement with you on that. >> Yeah. Um so we can I'll we can consider

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that post this meeting um rather than approving now. So again, since this was a public hearing, if you could continue to a date certain and a time certain, then this way we don't have to readvertise it because it's an issue. It's a public hearing.

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>> Um, okay. Let me think on that. Can we um Okay. Well, what if we did what if what do folks think about a week from today

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coming back to consider it? That gives them a whole another week's time and we can still make sure that the public has adequate notice and that would be a week faster than meeting to the 17th. >> Sounds good. >> I mean, I honestly the public knew about this, right? I mean, they had it. It was

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publicly posted. I mean, in fairness, I don't want to hold up something just on procedural because it's what we've done prior, right? Because they do have a chance. They could be here. They could be online, you know? I don't want to negatively affect a business because of that. >> Yeah. I just worry that somebody would

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be expecting a second meeting, so they're like, "Oh, I'm not going to come to the first meeting because they always hear things twice." And if like I mean, I know it's a slim chance, but I'm just saying like that's possible. And so at least having a second opportunity for somebody to come forward, even if we accelerated it to the beginning of that week, we would have to post, you know,

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like if we had it on the ETH, we'd have to post by tomorrow. Correct. >> Yeah. >> Um so we could even do it Monday, which would be like an additional five days for the public to come forward if they wanted to. Um it would just afford the additional opportunity.

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>> Is there anybody online for public comment? >> No, there is no one there. >> Oh, okay. Although I normally can see all the people's names. >> Yeah, >> not tonight. >> Not judging, but Shannon makes it happen. >> Yeah, >> Shannon isn't here. >> Um, >> Joe's not here either. So, no be anyone.

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Just kidding. >> We don't want to do that. Our sound's going to count. Cut out. >> All right. So, what are we looking at meeting Monday or Wednesday? >> What are you looking That's what you're looking right.

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>> What do you guys think about Monday? Are folks free on Monday the 8th? >> No. >> No. How about >> No. Well, how about >> what >> if it's only this, couldn't we schedule around? Are you talking about the SWAT meeting? >> Yeah. So, there's just one other that starts 6:30. >> Is that right? >> Uh

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>> 5:15 or 5 to 6:45. Is that what it is? >> 5:15 5:30 to 6:37. >> 6:37. That's very precise. >> You mean 6:30 7, not 6:30? No, he means 5:15. It'll go for about an hour, hour and a half. >> Okay. So we could have it if it starts

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at 5:15. We can have it at 5 if people are available. It's a it's a Zoom. It should be pretty >> I can do I can do five >> quick and >> painless. >> We'll have a Zoom option. >> We can get on the phone with our our state officials now and just say there's a possibility that we might need some help.

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>> Yeah, I'm sure they'll be happy to make a call. ABCZ is just not one of the most >> no receptive at all. Yeah, >> it's worth the effort. Sure. I just don't want to promise that the effort will bear >> fruit. Even if it's um >> is there anything unique about this ceremonial? >> Is there anything unique about this application compared to anything else

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that we would expect? >> No. >> No. >> I mean it's the same facility. It's the same premises. >> I mean of course there's the only thing it like anything right like mission is the noise concern right for any of us. >> That's the entertainment that comes under entertainment. That's really the,

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you know, main. >> Are you is it just the one bar and then table service or are you opening a second location for a bar in the bar? >> Just the one bar. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> So, it'll be the service bar and the actual sit at the bar and consumption bar. >> Exactly. Yeah, there'll be a service

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bar. >> Okay. >> And and people can walk around with the drinks throughout the premises or are they like to the comedy club to the other things we see in your entertainment? >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. All right. So then I guess the um motion would be to um continue the

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public hearing to June 8th at 5:00, Monday, June 8th at 5:00. And we will post a l uh uh virtual >> agenda for that. >> Out of curiosity, will we have a qu I may not be able to be there at the 5th, which is fine if there's four other

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members that can be there. >> I can be there at 5. Okay, >> we're going to be there at five. Mary, you can be there five. >> Correct. It'll be virtual. >> Virtual. Yes. from Waltham. So >> yeah, >> for that time frame. >> Okay. >> Okay. So that's great. So let's do that. That way we can still honor the public's

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ability to come forward if they want and we can try to expedite this process for you. >> Mhm. You asked for the motion. >> I asked for a motion. Does somebody want to make it? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. Thank you, Nick, for keeping us on task. >> All right. So this is uh tabled until

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68. We will now move on to a discussion and possible vote of the common vitular's license. Uh again for our center for performing arts, >> I'm sorry. No, she's going to say similar to the request for the liquor license hours, the hours of operation

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would be from 11:00 a.m. 11 a.m. to 1:00 a.m. and again Monday through Sunday. >> And this is in line the the license for that was the prior holder's license >> wasn't

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>> wasn't quite as late, right? >> That's correct. Ass was um until 11:00 p.m. Friday and Saturday as well as um Monday through Thursday, 11:30 till 10:00 and Saturday from 12 to 10. >> Okay. And that this aligns though with

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Mission right next door. >> Mission has the same hours on their >> 11 to 1. >> Yep. They have to be their alcoholic their their alcohol license goes to them. So, >> right. Oh, right. >> Um, so again, I would suggest

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um you know, if there's any public comment on any of this, we table this to that meeting and we vote we support to if we choose to support to vote in favor that we do it at the ETH rather than unless there are any additional questions or if you guys want to approve it. Now, >> I I just have I mean I know B trying to

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think how to ask this question. There's multiple businesses within the business, >> right? >> Do they have to be individually identified or are they all under the swamps for the performing arts umbrella? >> Um, and I'm not sure I understand the

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question. >> Yes. Well, so >> they're subleasases. They're sublets. >> What's in front of you is a a common victual license. That's what we're talking about. common victualist applies to um a facility or establishment that offers seating and provides food service

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or something. Um so it is my understanding that uh Maria's catering or the the uh >> Maria's gourmet >> the lease of the space of the former fish market they will not be seating there. So therefore that does not apply. So this is strictly in regards to the

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the operations of the Dory restaurant or I'm not sure what you want or the car. >> That's the clarification I was looking for. So if if Maria's comes in, they would be applying for their own >> well they wouldn't have seating. So they would not be applying for common they would just need they would just need

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board of health permitting. And then the reason is that you know like obviously in order for them to seek a common victual assment there'll be other issues such as bathroom compliance and some some other um board of health issues as well as building standards. >> Okay. >> Thank you.

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>> Um so the temperature on holding this to the ETH or voting on it. >> I don't know why we wouldn't just vote on it. >> Okay. So make a motion. Let's do it. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All in favor? I I >> Okay. On to the entertainment license.

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Uh so the entertainment license Marsy you want to give a little rundown? >> Absolutely. Yes. So um once again um Mr. Castro is seeking an entertainment license uh to be able to offer u entertainment um such as live bands um

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up to six musicians, comedy, solo artists such as piano players perhaps singing um uh as well as uh maybe trivia nights and other entertainment venues. And the hours are consistent with the

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other request uh being 11:00 am to 1:00 am Monday through Sunday on the application there was the application that I originally looked at like things were not checked off like TVs. Um,

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>> so I think I'm not sure this year the application was a little bit different that we requested that the applicant write in what was what was the what was being offered in there. I think your remember how we had the older application in the past. The new one just kind of ask the applicants to write

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things in. So I hope that you >> So it just says types of entertainment and you fill it out. So this does not approve a television if there are TVs. >> I saw Marilyn I saw what you were looking at too and I couldn't figure out. >> Uh, no. >> Right. So it doesn't >> license.

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>> So this hold on. This is the former >> Oh yes version. >> So that should that should be checked off. I apologize for that. Sorry I didn't I thought you were matched the >> Yeah, I think they are checked off and they match what's at the back but Mary Alan highlighted television is not included. So there will not be

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televisions. >> No, there will be TVs. >> So we want to check that. >> Yes, please. >> Why don't we hold this one to Monday and we can get a revised version and circulate. >> Right. because I think you want to check off >> in trivia. >> Everything. >> Everything. Yeah. >> Right. >> Yep. >> Just you're protected. >> Sure.

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>> I I do have one concern. Um just because the the way that noise travels on the water is unpredictable sometimes, right? The wind blows and all of a sudden it's literally the bands in somebody's living room. >> Um and I want to make sure that number one, we acknowledge that. And number

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two, um I I understand that you might have the back porch open for seating and I just worry if music is being played by a live band that that sound can travel aggressively and at >> you know midnight that can be a lot for

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the neighbors. So is there a consideration like that? Have you thought about that? How would you >> fortunately this is one of the areas of that that I'm experienced in. So, um, we are very lucky to have a building like that that was built, it's it's very

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acoustically sound and especially being encased in so much glass and with the rugs on the floor and the acoustic ceiling tiles. So, you're really not going to have a lot of noise penetrating outside of the building. And if the uh and we would close those doors if there

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was ever entertainment. >> Perfect. >> Um, at the same time, we have to do the same thing at the beacon. There's a certain time at night, probably around 9:30 or 10:00 a.m. where we close all the doors that are to the patio or to the front of the street just to be uh

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considerate to the neighbors. >> So, we had a serious issue with um one of the vendors on Humphrey Street years ago when they opened up and it it took a lot of work and negotiations to get

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things reeled in. And basically the rule of thumb is your music stays in your building and it's not on the sidewalk. And that vendor has done a great job of being compliant with that rule. So, I just want to make sure that this

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entertainment license reflects that, that this is your entertainment in your building, right? >> And not for >> everyone else outside consumption, >> including a little fishies or whoever is >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's fine.

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>> Okay. So, we will um table this until the 8th. Put it on that agenda also just so we can make sure that we're getting the the clearest version of what you're looking for approval for. >> I I do have a question. >> Oh, please. I'm sorry. >> Yeah, that's okay. Um >> just because, you know, I'm less

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familiar with the process itself. So, beg me the the uh um lack of prior knowledge, but is there some quantitative way to measure noise as opposed to it's too loud or you know >> decibel meter? >> Yeah, >> you stand on the sidewalk if you hear

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the if you hear that band, it's too loud. >> We have a noise bylaw. >> We have a noise bylaw that we have to follow. But that bylaw, the standards in that bylaw need to be uh >> adjusted >> adjusted as it's been brought forward and it should be hopefully on the in the

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fall warrant. So um whether or not from now till >> is there is there anything we should set expectations for for this gentleman? >> I hope we just did. >> Yeah, >> I think he's picking up what we're putting down. >> We can put that right in. >> I've had to work in uh in places that

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use decibel meters. So during a sound check there would be an engineer in in the audience holding a decibel meter and then the engineer would uh conform to what they uh recommended. So I mean it is it is a legitimate uh concern. So

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hopefully we have musicians that are professional enough to work within those guidelines. I think most of the time we will. That's the kind of entertainment that we're seeking and we'll uh we'll definitely have managers on site to make sure it's regulated. Right. >> So that Yeah.

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>> Um one other question I see and we're talking about the difference between the front page and the back. One says up to six musicians. The other one says max of three instruments plus vocals. So >> we're going to have that rectified. >> We'll have that rectified as well. >> We'll get a revised license for you all.

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Just noting absolutely differentiation. That's all. Okay. Thank you for coming. >> What date did you say you're opening? >> This is the third of July is going to be open. >> We're planning on having an open house uh on July 3rd. >> What time? >> Um I'm not I'm not

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>> commercial for you. >> I know. I'm not sure of the exact time, but I just want people to be able to use the property and see the fireworks and have a good time. >> Great. That's great. >> And they'll be by then they'll they'll really be able to see the environments that we've created inside. >> Awesome. Awesome. >> It's going to be fun.

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>> Thank All right. looking forward to it. So, we'll be back on the 8th for the the liquor and the entertainment. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> We'll be moving on to the discussion of the town meeting calendar for the fall, please.

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>> Okay. So, um I just since I started, we've been sort of running from one thing to the next over the last few months. And we saw an opportunity with uh getting through town meeting for us to uh put together a schedule that actually reaches out into the December town meeting all the way to next May.

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And I worked with Katie Dupant on this um to try to formalize something that gives us a little more uh lead lead time on both sort of opening closing the warrants and then making sure that there's an opportunity for us to put everything together, get it out to town

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meeting members a little earlier. Um and so what we have here is a proposal um or recommendation rather for when we would like um to open and close and then get uh recommendations from you all looking

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at this fall. And this is something that if if you all are on board, we would be communicating to all the elected and appointed boards uh as well as town staff so everyone is focused on what these dates are and when they should be prepared and when they should be going through the public processes necessary.

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Uh I I would just highlight that this fall we anticipate and our hope and this is something we want to do annually going forward and I've talked to the new moderator about this. I talked to the former moderator about this. Um really look for the bylaw and zoning changes to be done in the fall and the there's

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obviously opportunities for this to change if something comes up. But the the goal is the fall is bylaws and zoning. The spring is uh really focused on the budget so that there's a delineation between the two. there's a a focused effort both on the staff side

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and the elected appointed board side to be bringing things forward on a a semi-regular schedule going forward. If something pops, something needs to be addressed. This is not prohibition. It's just sort of a guideline that we're trying to work within. Um so the one

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thing I just want to highlight both uh in this one certainly is there is right now some um conflict between the bylaws and the charter on the dates for the spring town meeting. Um so the bylaw sets town meeting as being uh the same

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day as election day I believe and the charter sets it where we have it. Um the the other the other place where the bylaw is in conflict is on the citizen petition deadline where that is really tied more to the this earlier town meeting date. But we're trying to keep

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both for this and going forward obviously we're we're going to be in compliance. Um you know plenty of runway for someone to get a citizen citizen petition together and because they're both annual town meetings the um threshold to qualify for the warrant is

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10 signatures. it doesn't go up to 250 which it it would have if it was a special town meeting in the fall. Um so I just wanted to highlight that but this this is the the working schedule that we have where we'd open at the beginning of uh September. The idea that it closes at the beginning of October then um you

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know everything that we'll be well aware likely by October 7th what you all are going to be facing in the warrant but the recommendations the goal is to have that October 21st meeting be where you all weigh in where possible. There will always be the opportunity for something to get pushed to town meeting and be

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noted in the warrant that way. But the hope here is that we are, you know, getting printed and out the door the beginning of November ahead of getting too close to um Thanksgiving or anything like that and giving everyone plenty of time to deliberate on what they would how they would like to vote and any

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questions they may have. This schedule also gives us an opportunity to do something that I had talked to Ryan about a little bit and I know Mike tried in the past um was potentially doing like a office hours educational opportunity uh where myself and the the moderator would be available either with

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a presentation or for a little literal just come in and ask any question about anything on there um at some point in between. And again, this the the goal here is to give us just more runway to be doing that and to getting getting the printed warrant um out the door and professionally put together as well. >> We used to have a schedule. Every select

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board member had a time slot alongside the moderator and we would we would show up too. >> Well, if you're volunteering, then we will make sure we >> I think it's important to be publicly engaged in that way. And especially since some of a lot of them are select board proposed, >> it's good to have or you know in the

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fall when if when the zoning changes come forward having a representative there who can >> details speak to it. >> So the conflict you're talking about is in the general bylaws. Which article? >> I don't know the article off the top of my head. Wayne, I'm sorry. I can

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circulate. >> It's between the bylaws and >> the charter. Correct. And the charter controls. >> Right. And so >> the dead the deadlines I believe are set in the bylaw for like the citizen petition being in February, >> but that relates more to an April, >> right? The So

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>> it's just need a new bylaw. >> Yeah. >> Can we just fix that? >> I I think there's a number of different ways. We actually talked to KP. There's Jared had put together a list of things that were not scribers errors, but there changes that could be made without like reopening the charter or going into full

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B. It's as we codify it and put it into e-code, which is to get everything online. It's another goal of ours that Jared had started. >> Um, that was one suggestion of Katie that we're going to talk to KP about. My idea would be a bylaw change as opposed to just saying like, oh, we're making

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this edit and that edit, right? >> So that it's, you know, very clear to everyone what we're doing and why. >> It's really more of a cleanup as opposed to making significant changes because the charter controls and that's how we operate. >> Okay. >> I think it's a great idea, Nick. I think

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any way we can have more transparent expectations is fantastic. >> More direction simpl simplifying things. This is great. >> I think um the one thing that I really want to be pretty cognitive of is the December town meeting is right in the

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middle of two major holidays and the kids concerts and stuff like that. And >> sure is >> having that as as a as skinny as possible is really helpful. I think people are prepared to have two nights

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in the spring, whereas as we go into December, asking them for two nights is is pretty tough. So, if we could just be pretty clear on that and try to keep that >> as thin as possible. >> Yeah. Um >> important. >> Try not to be the Debbie Downer in the

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situation. I'm putting my planning board hat on. I wouldn't ever be able to get the level of detail that I would want for a zoning article for a December town meeting if my deadline was October 7th. It would just be town engagement over the summer for our town like if I I was

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doing 3A again which in Swampot went beautifully and swimmingly. >> Um >> it would never have been able to have happened going through our town halls over the summer to engage the community. You mean do you mean as far as getting it >> mailed out because it

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>> No, I talking about >> two things. One, actually do the work to put together a zoning bylaw change that's more than just okay, we're changing dimensional regulations. Anything substantive takes a long runway and that long runway being over the summer with we can all speak to

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different boards. There's you don't always have perfect attendance over the summer because people have lives outside of this would be difficult. meanwhile um engaging in the public engagement process. Marzy and our town planner at the time did a great job with our 3A. I think we

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had three or four public engagement seminars or what whatnot, >> right? >> Under this timeline that would all have to happen in August, September. It would just make me unc uh wary of being able to have the public engagement we need for something that I think people are

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wary of zoning changes understandably so at a time when people are super busy over the summer. >> Well, you're not required to to have it in the fall town meeting, right? I mean, you can still push it to spring if you needed more runway, right? >> Well, you you also don't have to have it

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verbatim on the close. I mean, you can have a placeholder. That >> that was what I was going to highlight was that as long as it's clear what will be there, >> the final language is not necessary. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> But you're still saying in order to have

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public hearings and getting your committee together that that timing is a challenge. >> The timing coinciding with summer and the start of school would just be it would make me worried of the level of public engagement we would have and I would not want to us to create a framework for approval for zoning

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decisions. We're making it more difficult to get public engagement for something that rightfully so people are generally skeptical of zoning changes. >> Sober October November >> even closing the warrant in October but understanding that substantively it didn't have to be verbatim still having

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November this still probably is not long enough. I would suggest we maybe discuss this with the acting chair of the planning board and maybe some other folks who are in our land use boards who might have well I guess planning is the only one that authorizes zoning changes

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but just the the alignment of the runway needed for a zoning change to successfully be adopted overlapping with summer and start of school year. Have you had a chance to do that? >> Just looking at the calendar, is there a way to compress the the six and a half almost seven weeks between October 21st

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and December 7th? >> We we lose a full week to Thanksgiving. >> Yeah, but what activity is actually happening between? >> We need to print and mail. So, sure, we can push it. >> You don't need seven weeks to do that, though.

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>> If I could just finish. >> I'm sorry. Yeah. >> So, we could push it to November, the beginning of November. >> Yeah. And then we basically have 10 days to get it professionally like printing it in-house. It's something that's been done and is not the way that I want to do this. That's part of trying to set

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this up. >> Um, so we actually need and I can get exact dates, but it's like if we go past sort of the first meeting in November, we are setting ourselves up for something, >> right, >> that's difficult. >> Yeah. Yeah. And then you're putting it on the public to review and to do all of

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these uh the moderator conversations between when the people receive their warrant through the holiday season. During the holiday season and that's really tough too. So >> it's the season but also like that whole week of Thanksgiving is lost >> is lost. Yeah. For sure. >> Yeah. So >> why don't we talk to the

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>> chair? So we had talked about on the staff side. >> Okay. in the spring we were we were saying you know as we're looking at this warrant do we think it makes sense in the general sense had been yes but I think we need to engage the conversations >> the other the other piece of it is board

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changes happening >> which we saw on this board and right >> obviously on the planning board as well >> if we do them in the spring someone does all of the work on it and then there's a new >> member or members that may agree disagree want to have had different input >> that was a consideration in this as

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well. >> I mean, we have >> and as I said, it's just a recommendation. By no means are we married to this. Happy to >> adjust to placeholders for dates. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Ted, are there things that aren't as I mean, in planning you have some really, you know, big heavy load

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>> and you've got some real basic stuff, >> right? So, I'm just wondering if we could >> the basic stuff you Yeah, you could do that with a week's notice. I mean, you're right, you know, changing 10 to 12 on a dimensional table. But, >> um, >> but even still, I mean, state law requires us to have two public hearings before

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>> town meeting can hear a zoning article. >> Um, so I think for the basic stuff, it'd be fine, but for some of the more elaborate stuff, and what we've done for zoning has been historically the last several years has been a little bit more elaborate than just minor tweaks.

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>> Um, >> I would just get nervous. The other thing that I would be cautious of is people get um expectations. So I would hate to, you know, for people to expect zoning in December, but oh, we got this vague article and it's going to be on the May town meeting. People just might

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have different skepticisms as >> May. What are they trying to do >> and totally understandable? Yep. >> Um so everything else on here looks great and I I appreciate and agree with it. I just think we need to from a zoning perspective maybe just >> think about it. I can talk to

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>> do you have a suggestion as to what date it might be >> that might that time of year is the fall is tough for stuff like this so I don't I don't know I need to think through and probably we should all talk about it maybe I can talk with Marzy and you and Joe the acting chair of the planning board we figure something out

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>> I I just don't want to see December being more than one day I mean like that's my worry is the timing >> what else would be on a December town meeting warrant >> God knows I mean we pay bills Taxes tax get set. >> We pay bill. We pay bills. We

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>> You all set the taxes. It's been the buy down. That's on. >> Yeah. We set the taxes. >> We set the taxes here. >> Yeah. >> But like this in theory, what are we going to hear in December? >> You never know what happens that time. >> Well, hopefully the sewer bylaw >> what >> the lateral the sewer lateral bylaw.

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>> Yeah. >> Hopefully we vetted that enough. Definely. >> So maybe the takeaway from this is maybe >> Nick, you Marzy, Christa, me and Joe can just kind of spitball. >> Absolutely. >> Game it out. >> Great. Just >> otherwise this looks great. Didn't mean

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to be Debbie Downer. >> What is your What is your like projected desirable print date that you would want to go out to be? >> I we are looking at new printers because we've also we've always used one from Peodyy and I want to bid it out. So I don't have an answer for you right now

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without >> going out for that. >> But the the other thing with condensing it is not having an opportunity for town meeting members to sit down and speak to you all individually and >> absolutely. >> Yeah, >> that's why I was just asking what what did you taking that in consideration? What were you thinking?

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>> I'm guessing it's going to be two weeks before mails to be honest to be comfortably getting it out the door. >> Well, it should honestly I think it needs it should arrive in people's homes two weeks prior to town meeting. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Which is set up for getting there well in advance. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You're going to have people saying,

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>> "I lost my warrant." >> And it is not meant to replace it, but we will continue to email out the PDF just >> Yeah. But what's great about it is like in the past for us, we've had a warrant, but like some few members of the public join us while we're discussing the

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warrant and if they had their warrant to sort of take notes on and to understand, they'd be able to bring it to town meeting. Like I don't know, maybe my husband's the only one who does that, but >> probably kidding. >> Probably. >> And then the next slide, very similar. It's setting up a spring schedule. This

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is less timely because it doesn't require folks knowing now that we'd like >> be doing this stuff in September and October. Uh but this is just sort of a preview for you all that again we're intending to pull it back a little bit so that you all are recommending things in advance of the election with time to

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deliberate and if there's something that needs to wait until town meeting because it's you know being fine-tuned obviously that can happen again but this is the idea you know looking at communities that have things a little more under control going into town meeting they kind of stretch it out this way um and

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so that the hope is and I mean that on the staff side >> thanks Nick, the hope is that we'll be able to do that. >> Nick, >> I I have a loaded question. Maybe >> Yeah. No, I'm just uh for reaction sake, some towns do their town meetings way

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earlier than ours. >> Yeah. >> Is there a benefit to talking about it like in March? I think does earlier. >> I think the big conflict, if I would call it that here, is that the election happens right before town meetings. So,

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>> one group puts it together, another group is sitting up in the front of the room. That's frustration. >> Um, >> but I think that would that's the type of question that would be part of a larger charter review. It wouldn't off meeting >> something I've always question. >> Are we doing are we are can we

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>> some have pushed it out too? Like I think North Reading is June 1st as Chadam does theirs. >> We need to talk about starting a charter review committee. >> Yep. >> We need to put that in place. >> We need to put that in place. So, if we could put that on the radar to do that, >> add that to the list

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>> because we got to get that ball rolling. >> I think there's some suggestions. We had originally reached out to all boards and committees and asked for them to >> they're changes. >> Any changes that they wanted to make, we asked for them to convey to us. >> I don't know where that is, but

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>> do you have an idea of when that was done? >> David has it. >> I don't he was the chair at the time. I was >> I do Victoria two plus years ago then. Okay. >> I just want to make sure we're looking in the right general area. >> Yeah. I mean we could ask it again too.

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Um but we had sort of reached out and said you know >> there's a timeline. Every committee had to send in their recommendations for charter change and then the whole idea was just to make a charter change instead of having a committee. I I think we should have a committee that can make recommendations for charter change.

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>> I think so too. So, it's great to have some ideas to start with. So, >> then everyone feels like they got a seat at the table even though the committee's only however big. >> So, all right. >> Thank you, Nick. >> Sure. >> Thank you, Nick. Good job. >> We'll move on to uh discussion on the

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Hawthorn. >> So, again, I just wanted to give a a brief update and obviously we had the proponents in tonight. Um just to point back to town meeting um in December, the discussion there was that it was a dual

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track, get someone in uh so that there was a partner to the town in there uh covering things like um heat and electric and all that that goes with it that we were maintaining in order to protect the building uh and to try to drive revenue over the short term, which

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we identified at the time as approximately 30 months to go to June of 2028. Um, as you can see tonight, the licenses are in process. We have assigned short-term lease. They're working inside uh to prepare the building. So, we wanted to just start the discussion tonight around the

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long-term uh solution or the long-term RFP, which was the second part of that dual track as you all described at town meeting. Um, as I sort of wrote here, the goal would be that we get a draft that you all have looked at, noodled over, provided edits this summer so that

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we are really entering into a process that is, you know, gives plenty of time for folks that might be interested, that you all have plenty of time to thoughtfully discuss these decision points, the guard rails, how we want to score it. uh so that whatever we are asking for is reflective of what you all

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would like to see and anyone who's responding knows sort of the rules of the game and understands you know what we value as a community before they respond and so tonight I wanted to highlight that we have you know want to want to start that process when I talk

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about the decision points um or the RFP itself really 70% of it is done it's the community profile it's the idea like This is the the size of the property. This is what's on the property. Now, those things are justformational. The the what remains is the really important

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part, and I think Brian spoke to it a little bit earlier tonight, and it's the things that you all need to weigh in on those policy decisions around what we're asking for if we want to put any uh guardrails that go beyond the current zoning, which I have a couple slides about that. Um and then not to decide

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tonight but for you all to think about what are the things that are important for you from a scoring perspective so that in that RFP it is very clear to someone we're open to any idea say but you know you're you're highlighting your values by saying you know this is something that will be scored a certain way this is something that would be

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scored another way >> um and that would be around you know how much space there is for parking how much space there is for green space somewhere whatever the case may be those are decisions that I just wanted to introduce to you uh to consider a little bit. This is a conversation I think we need to

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continue. Um but we'll continue to refine that shell of the RFP that has all the things about the community and about the physical space. Um and then I think we can figure out how to best facilitate a discussion between you all to give the staff the direction uh to

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put together uh that that last piece and that piece that's most important really. Um, so I did want to just give a quick update on the um the property itself right now. And this is the land uses that are allowed by right and that's the Hawthorne Street Overlay District. Did I say that right?

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>> Yes. Uh, no. Humphrey Street Overlay. >> Humphrey. Sorry, I got Hawthorne on the mind. >> Um, so these are subject to the the design review obviously, but they're allowed. So it's retail, food, and beverage of certain size. Uh, and then I want to highlight because Christo

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thankfully highlighted it for me and put it in a different color here. uh the office and professional uses specifically are things that uh are restricted away from the first floor so that we can continue to have like an active and vibrant um walkable corridor. So it's not something where you have a

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bunch of you know financial services that may or may not be in the office or can be remote. It's it's really about promoting a sort of community feel to the um the streetscape itself. Um and then also here these are the land uses allowed with design review and planning board approval. Um, again, we're not

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making any decisions, not asking you to make any decisions tonight. But I just wanted to highlight that if we were to go out and say anything that's allowed by right, these are the types of things um that are going that would be responsive that people might get back to us and say, I want to put uh, you know, retail, I want to put multif family

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housing, I want up to 10 residential units just because that is sort of the simplest way for them to move forward with the buy, right? Um, you know, obviously planning board approvals, but not having to go before the ZBA. So for me, these were things that I wanted to highlight for you all. But I I think

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what is most important is thinking about, you know, the ideas and things that you all want to see at that site so that we can reflect the values that you all are bringing to the table and the scoring. And I think that's what that's what's most important. If we're going to

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leave it sort of wide open to, you know, we want to derive some revenue or we want it to be completely green space or whatever those things are, we need to really demonstrate that in the way that we draft that scoring rubric because, you know, that is how someone will will look at the RFP and say, "This makes

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sense to me because I want to put a restaurant and I want to have housing above it and I can see that that's something I can go before the planning board for." Um, so this is just meant to be an an opening to that discussion and certainly a signal and a reminder to the community that we have this in mind because we talked about it in December

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and it was not set aside. We were really focused on doing everything we can to get our respondents to the RFP up and running. Um, and we've worked closely with them as well. I just want to highlight that we've had a couple of meetings where we get building inspector, health, uh fire department,

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um police, and Max over there because Max was taking care of the building so that we can answer a bunch of questions all at once and try to make it as easy as possible for them to move forward as our tenant. Um so we are sort of making every effort, but I want both you all and the community to know this is this

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is the next step and what we plan to do uh going forward. So I don't know if there's any questions here or if there's things that you would like me to be researching and reviewing that I can circulate for folks. That was the other thing that I kind of had in mind here. >> I was just thinking from a timing

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perspective like walking backwards from the 36 months that we had available to us to lease the property. Going backwards from there from like obviously we want sort of a seamless transition maybe between a short-term use and a long-term use. So

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if you walk back from that date to say like okay although we don't have things in hand but like maybe you know, there's a due diligence period and then we can sort of maybe look to Hadley as a little bit of a I don't know, a marker to see going backwards like when do we really

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have to have this RFP out by so that we can then have respondents so that we could even have time to um rubric them so that we can pick a choose a path forward and then will we sort of make our mark. So I don't want to like have to truncate anything in the middle.

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let's work from the back and go forward and see like >> do we use it like a template? >> Yeah. Like so do we have to have this decision made by the end of July? Do we have to the end of September? Like when if we wanted to keep the timeline of a smooth transition between tenants and we were thinking, you know, like

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approximately a x due diligence period, how long could we discuss this? >> I need to look at the due diligence period that we gave Hadley. I don't know that off the top of my head. >> Yeah. Um, if you if you're familiar, >> I actually read it yesterday and I'm trying to

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>> I actually >> it was it was like was it 18 months? >> Yeah, it was. >> Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah. >> Yeah. You know, Marzy, your crew, everybody did a great job with the RFP process. I thought between that and also with Pine Street, so you guys really

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know what you're doing. But I think having a a template in front of us, >> I think we owe it to the people of the town too, right? We owe them a timeline. >> Yeah. >> We said we were going to do this. We said we were going to put it out um and get it moving. And we really, you know,

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up until seeing this here, we really haven't produced anything. So, I think it's on us to really have an established timeline and roll that out so that people can, you know, understand where we're >> hold accountable. Yeah, >> I'm going to absolutely >> pump the tires of the the last board. You know, when you guys did the Hadley

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project in Marcy's office, the way that was done was really well done. And I, you know, someone who's been in some level of development before, the fact that we got the respondent level we did for those hotel properties, both Delmare and the other folks who responded is frankly jaw-dropping to me that we got

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>> seven or eight respondents >> between the Drew Companies, Noan, you know, Lark with the local developing team, Rise. We have to remember we also had a we had a >> had a consulting >> consulting pinnacle. >> Me too. Why I'm bringing that up? >> That's where there was a lot of value in

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that based on the high quality of respondents. We chose a great respondent but a lot of the other ones we chose would have been fantastic as well. >> I would hope that we can have that same level of respondent quality. I know a lot of that is on us and the decision-m we give on the RFP, but a lot of that is

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on publicizing the RFP and getting awareness to respond to it. >> Right. So is there has this board or has there been a conversation at the staff level of mechanisms to do that? Is there consulting companies that can help with that? I don't have an answer. I don't

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have an inclination on that. But I know Pinnacle was great at blasting out to their network and that helped lead to the great respondent quality we got. >> But also Pinnacle was was strictly their expertise is in hotel development, right? Hospitality, right? So I think that as as M Nick Nick has mentioned, if

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you provide us with guidance maybe in regards to like what's the what's the use or maybe narrow down the preferred use for the site and and then we can really try to work either with you know developers or experts because I mean there are hospitality groups you know

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you have um you know from restaurants to hotels to entertainment venues and then also we can check with you know developments. I know that you know is housing would housing be on the table off the table sort of like where do we stand on that so I think that would love

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to hear from you in regards to what is it that you know the the >> right so this is the beginning of that conversation so this is not I don't I didn't expect people to come prepared with like a list of all the things they wanted to talk about for this today we can but what I thought would be

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important is that we're putting it on our radar to have this conversation on the 17th that we should really come forward with like what your expectations for the RFPs are, if there's parameters, what they look like, how they flesh out, like if you want to go back to the Hawthorne reuse committee report, I think there were 12 instances where it

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sort of felt like there needed to be some public decision policy decision made and we're the policym board. So, we need to talk about that. We need to flush some of those things out. >> So, I think we should at least have this on the agenda for every subsequent meeting that we have after this, right?

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with the 17th being the placeholder that that is when we set the pillars of what exactly this board wants or what they want to be included in the RFP. But, you know, we can't stop the conversation. We can't just phil philosophically say let's get this going and then, you know,

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push it off, right? So, I think we have to be really cognizant of having it on every single meeting as we, you know, to make sure we're hitting our timeline and getting this out. So, so what is what is the framework to build this? with the planning or you know Mars's department

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in planning come to us with uh a framework of a rubric and ask us to start filling that in or do we >> I think it starts with the pillars I think it starts with the pillars of what we're looking to see if there's a ceiling if there's not a ceiling if we're going to if we're saying you know

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RFI or you know are we saying RFP with specific pillars of what we want to see what we don't want to see categorically no way like you know all park or you know all residential or whatever >> the guardrails. >> What are the guardrails? Yeah, >> I think that's one. >> I think Wayne, you could use the report

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that was presented by the Hawthorne and reuse committee and they dominate a lot of where we they think we need to make those decisions. So, even if we just started with like that parts of the conversation, we could start working down to be like, okay, are we all in agreement with, you know, X whatever

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parking must be present? Something that simple. >> And I think we have to use that report because that committee did, you know, almost year years year's worth of work on what exactly we asked them to do. So they certainly have solicited some

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feedback I think at this point um from people in the town. So that's got to you know that will come into play I think in the very beginning. There's also a philosophical conversation about doing this that we have to consider is >> how open-ended and how strict do we need to

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be right >> and you know we can set the guardrails of this is what all the proposals need to be about and they got to be within this case this land use case and >> you know blah blah blah blah blah. >> Alternatively there's another mindset we can look at is we are open-ended but

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here's where we are scoring things most heavily based on some recommendations totally least heavily. So totally agree. >> There's two different philosophies I guess we can approach this with. >> Either we're saying we don't want you to even reply with if you're not in this parameters or everybody can reply but

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like if you're 100 units of residential like we're going to zero or negative >> yeah you're going to get a negative scoring in this section. >> So uh we can definitely discuss that what is more preferred and maybe town can have some feedback on >> like is there a preferred model for

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that. I mean, if we if we really want to see the responses in that way, then my thought would be like, don't limit the RFP, then limit the rubric. But then that leaves the onus on us to say, hey, $50 million investor, you can't come

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here because we don't want residential. So, we have to make that determination now before we get the answer. I don't want the answer to skew. >> I agree. >> But I think that's that's a kind of important part of the conversation, right? So to the people in this town that want to have a park and you have a proposal that potentially comes through

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with 1520 million dollars worth of revenue coming in right they need to see that this is what >> right >> we'd have to say no to right and they have to you know be able to understand what how that impacts >> right do we have an obligation to

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respect the by right part of the overlay district or because we own the property >> um we have different latitudes In other words, that by right would So my question is if you were a private owner,

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you would be subject to the by right. >> I think you're talking about spot zoning, Wayne. >> H >> I think you're talking about spot zoning. >> No, I think you're you're referring since it's a town owned plot, are we exempt from zoning? >> Are we exempt? >> Which the answer is no? >> No. >> Because it's not an educational or

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municipal use. So then you if so then if you if the zoning the overlay that's allowed in the zoning if you then restricted further based on the RFP >> that that would not be valid, right? Because the zoning by >> we we're still the property owners. We can restrict whoever gets the RFP.

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>> That was my that was what I was getting at. >> Okay. >> But I would also encourage this is the loosest zoning we have in Swampscott. The Humphre Overlay district is a godsend because it lets us recruit any within LA within guard rails a lot of

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different types of businesses and we give them a lot of leeway as long as they contribute to the overall walkability of Humphrey Street. So I as important as zoning is and I'm a huge advocate for it obviously I wouldn't get too caught up in worrying about zoning for the use of this property until we get further down the further down the

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line because there's a lot of latitude here that gives the planning board to wave a lot of different things. >> Okay I let me give an example and you can yeah give me the feedback. So if I if if we agree to say we don't we don't

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want X whatever it is that is on there by right. >> Yeah. >> Do we have an obligation to be able to have to include that in the RFP or can we just leave that out of the land? We can do that. >> That is my that that sums up my question. >> That's where the scoring rubric would come in for you to say we don't want a

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bed and breakfast hotel in >> right >> or it will be negatively scored rather if >> Yeah. Right. >> If we take that if that's the >> even though you have by zoning we're going to negatively score you >> right. Those are I think for the next meeting those are the things that we need to come to the table with all of

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>> right your top three or whatever you know your top three pillars of what you want to see here >> and we can put together the schedule that highlights working backwards if it's possible to do it without truncating it and if it's not >> to just lay it over the calendar what it

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would look like when we would be done >> uh otherwise >> I think the due diligence period on the Hadley was only 90 days but then they are in a financial due diligence period period of of 18 months. >> Okay. >> Um so just to just to say that and that's not to say we won't be in that similar situation in Hawthorne but um

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>> but we can overlay it on like a real calendar right now and say that if we don't >> change anything it gets us to >> Yep. >> this date. You know, >> the the other important thing that I know I'm at least going to be focusing on before the next meeting and I think it would be helpful for all of us just in my mind to advance the conversation

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is that ideological conversation of do we want to approach it on a rubric scoring basis or do we want to put strict guard rails on and then the rubric comes later. >> Y >> just to throw that out there for >> Yeah. I think that's the first decision to be honest because that dictates every other point of the conversation agree

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agree with your your >> to say question. >> Yeah. I think I've think about that >> piece. Um >> Brian is raising his hand. >> I see that. But we're not in a public. >> Okay. >> We have a preference remain at public. >> I have a preference and I'm happy to

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share it on the 17th. >> Okay. >> I will say here and to answer. >> Well, it might be helpful to start this conversation now because >> I'm happy to. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> Go ahead, Ted. >> I think the rubric approach is phenomenal. I'll point to the Hawthorne I'm sorry the having process the Noanic

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group I think >> submitted a proposal that met everything the RF required and they also said and if you're interested we put a lot of thought in something else was totally outside of the box for your reaction >> and I think there were mixed reactions to it not necessarily in a negative way just oh we weren't expecting that but it

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was I thought there was a lot of value in it and I know how I reacted to it >> but it it gave us something to react to it gave us a a thought process to look yet. And I would hate for us to shut the door on something that we could not even have imagined or dreamt of.

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>> Absolutely. >> But we have a rubric here that we can stick to so we're not being unfair to any group in town that has a particular interest. So that's at least my >> I think the only worry would be is to make sure that that rubric wouldn't hurt

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you know wouldn't wouldn't hurt anybody who's coming in with a you know a whole different mindset on what could be done there. >> Yeah. I think at the end of the day for what I think is going to be valuable for all of us is for us to be able to say

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this is the rubric that we came to and no matter what the decision is whether it's park parking combination mixed use whatever it is there's consensus among the board that like this is our gold standard this is our northstar we all agree with it we're fully bought into the rubric and that's our bible

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>> and I think that's going to has to be what we can point to so that whatever the decision comes whenever it comes it's defensive Right. We can all walk out heads held high. We did the right thing because we all agreed on the rubric and >> right >> we can be subjective, but we were all working off the same sheet of music.

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>> Yeah. I mean, the only thing I think of is like the counterargument is you can make data say whatever you want. >> So even if you have the most foundational rubric, right, that is the northstar and we all agree on the

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it's somewhat subjective how you fill in the rubric, right? Yeah. >> So, like if we say like, okay, well, it's preferred that we don't go over 20,000 ft of residential and we don't and we only approve up to 10 units and if you go above that, we will negatively dock you.

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>> Well, how much are we negatively docking you? Are we negative if we are we all negatively docking you the same? >> It's preferred that you take down the building and open that space up. >> And but you know, if we decide, okay, we're going to negatively dock those who want to keep the building. Well, how

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much? a point or a hundred points or maybe that's not as you know what I mean like >> I hear you. Yeah. >> So, so we have to be thoughtful in that way because in the end we could end up just having this delaying the conversation rather than having it in advance. >> Yeah, I think that I hear you and I

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agree with that. I think we'll just have to figure out a way to incorporate that sort of one to five in a rubric versus negative one to five. >> And if I'm rating a project a negative 25 and Danielle's ranking a plus 25, right? you're going to know we're both kind of we've got a you know our >> yep philosophical differences

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>> philosophical differences and that's fine. >> Um but I just >> like to have a framework that we can all work from and feel confident in. And again if it's all transparent you see I'm a 25 and Danielle's a negative 10. We just have different philosophies on it. >> Totally. >> And we should consider whether or not although we are the policym board here

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if there are any other like we had um town uh staff participating in the rubric for Hadley. Um, so like whether or not we consider any other stakeholders in that in that rubric at all. >> Agreed. >> Um, so I know like Marzy ranked them,

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Gino ranked them at the time. >> The Hadley. >> Gino was involved in ranking the Hadley. >> Wasn't it Gino or was it Sean? >> Sean. Sorry. It was Sean. >> It was Yeah, >> you're right, Mariel. >> Max. >> Pane. >> Yeah. >> Oh, P Kane. That's right. Y.

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>> So, we just had active town staff ranking it also. So that like helped to sort of >> inform our decision making. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. We had, you know, open discussion about it and then we all ranked it individually and then we averaged them. So, >> but I would think if we all kind of get

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a rubric that we're all kind of comfortable with, right, or a framework, >> we're going to see some marginal similarities for the most part in our responses. We're all going to be different, but they're going to be, you know, I would be shocked if you know Wayne and I are on one side and then 90, you know, everybody else is on the

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other. I'd be shocked if that happens for every respondent. >> Yeah, I think there would probably just be >> a handful of a handful of things that >> Yeah. And the question is, do you weight each each criteria the same? >> You know, it's a multiplication factor. So, we have to come up with that.

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>> Um, >> yep. Is there any particular conversation about the I'm trying to think how to think about this carefully and say this carefully. If there's any conversation that we have to

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have prepared should there be some agreement in the future with adjacent land. Well, I think the we've you can say openly in public session because we have that there has been a conversation about the purchase

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of the St. John's parking lot. >> Um so that's fine. We can talk about that publicly. Um we should not talk about where those negotiations are at this point. >> Not intending to. >> Um but we could figure out a way or be

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thoughtful about, you know, I don't think that necessarily will come into play in the first conversation of individual pillars, right? Agree. Totally agree. Definitely. >> But we could even figure out a way in the RFP. >> Maybe we have some better idea

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>> to say like if the adjacent land was um pursued, how would the how would your development change or something like that? An additional. So you would almost be doing like two answers to the RFP. One for the lot as one for the lot >> just like Noana did for the for the hotel.

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>> Right. Right. I mean, and then >> I just want to bring that up kind of at the beginning. Oh, that's fair. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And we if we kept that door open so that the RFP still allowed for that conversation, then that might help inform. >> I mean, you'd have to >> the decision. Yeah.

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>> I think um we really have to figure this one out only because if there's a possibility of of locking in that space, that changes the entire footprint and the ability of what can happen. So, if I'm somebody answering an RFP, you know,

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and I' I've listened to the meetings, I've read the reports from the Hawthorne Committee, I know that open space is really important um in that in that mix. So, if you do have that property, then you've checked that box,

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you've checked at least part of that box, and then what would I what else am I going to offer there as an RFP? So I just think that we have to really think about how to tie it all in in order to get the best RFPs. >> So we talk we talk about RFP versus RFI.

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>> Yeah, >> there are distinct differences between the two. One may or may not get a lot of attention like the the RFI may potentially get less attention than an actual RFP. >> Historically they do, >> right? Um,

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if we're looking at a I'm just spitballing this. We're looking at this from a 40,000 foot view, which we kind of are because we're trying to kind of put mold the clay here. >> Yeah. >> Based upon instructions that we've received, you know, um, from a lot of

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study in the past is now I actually lost my own train of thought. Jesus. RFI. >> Yeah. RFI versus RFP. Does an RFI actually get us in in a place that that

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kind of scopes that that rough mold before we get into the RFP? I don't I don't know the answer. It's an honest just throwing the question into the atmosphere. >> I sort of feel like >> I sort of feel like we don't have >> We've already done the RFI part process. Like Brian's group has spent the last

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year doing the RFI process. And although we haven't gone out to like the vast unknown and asked for feedback, we did go out to community members and ask for feedback. And >> the whole idea was that that was a community purchased property. So that feedback is ultimate to the decisions that we should be making here.

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>> So to me, it's like, okay, I agree that we should go out to RFP and let's see what the market prevails, but based on the pillars that the information that Brian and his team came up with in order to determine, you know, what we thought the community wanted to see in that parcel. So I I just see from and and

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ship in here if I'm wrong, but the definition well not the definition the intent of an RFI, we got information from the community in terms of wants and needs, but the information coming back from professional developers would be what I'm looking for from an

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RFI, which would be just kind of a high level scope of, hey, what possibly we could be doing here. But I know that there's a hesitancy by developers to do that because then >> show their cards. they're showing their cards to what everyone else could potentially do. So, I appreciate that, >> but just wanted, you know, where are we

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on that? >> I don't I agree that it's a thoughtful conversation. I just don't I think seeing as how long this conversation's been on the table, >> right, >> seeing as how long we've been talking about this publicly, very publicly, >> we need action. I feel like at this

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point if developers are sort of in the loop about it, they've heard about it. We've been talking to, you know, some of our partners who have answered RFPs at Hawthorne, answered RFP at Hadley. We've been talking to a lot of folks here. So, >> I think it's

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>> just time to pull the trigger at this point, but >> Okay. >> Sure. Couldn't see the screen. >> No, that's fine. I I just want to circle back to something I mentioned before and I think Mars you answered this but I do think there is once we get a little further down in this again I know

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Pinnacle did the consulting specifically for hotel because they're a hotel and lodging consulting firm but their ability to broadcast that to their network and get the quality of respondents that we got was very impressive. So when we get to a certain point, it may be helpful when we've got this rubric laid out to have the

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conversation of is there a investment that we are comfortable or should make or even can make in some one who can help market this to the right level of respondents where we get as many highqualified respondents as we can rather than just put it out to to the

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mass gov RFP website. >> Have you already considered that? We've talked to one group that approached us because they know someone in town and I basically said we're at a point now that we're not ready to engage in something like that, >> right? >> Their general pitch was the idea that they would not look at it as just a

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highest and best use. So it's like what is the most money you can get? >> It's very similar to the type of work that we're saying we'll take on to come up with a rubric and think about the way to do it. And their ultimate goal is obviously that's >> how much how much would that potentially

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cost us? There's not a number yet. >> Okay. >> But is it six figures like >> it's five? It's low five. >> Okay. >> We have figure do we have somewhere we can even look to consider to >> to pay for something like that at this point. >> And we I wouldn't want to answer that.

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>> Yeah, >> for sure. But there's we can figure something. >> We did already hire a consultant >> right >> here. And it wasn't spent a lot of money. >> It wasn't well met by the public. We'll just say that. So I know I just want done in secret. >> Yes. We don't that doesn't mean we don't want to do it now. >> Yep.

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>> Um but I'm just saying like >> we I would like to have some board-based conversations first so that we can direct the consultant rather than the consultant directing us. >> 100%. My only desire was to have them market the RFP to get the respondent quality that we want. Nothing beyond

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that per se. >> And that's a different discussion than what I had with them. >> Okay. >> And so if we were looking for someone to help us connect with developers in whatever form Yeah. Yeah, >> whether it's parkland, mixed use, or whatever, then obviously we can engage, you know, multiple firms to say, what

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can you do for us to try to make sure we're getting in front of the right groups because we think this is a really unique opportunity. >> Um, so happy to have that on sort of the parking lot for this, no pun intended, >> for something that, you know, schedule and calendar for you all next time while you all spend a little time thinking

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about it in advance. >> And we certainly keep that >> on the back burner. >> Okay. So some of the things we need to be prepared to talk about. >> Do we want that building to remain? Do we what do you want the building to stay? Do you want it? Is that a

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consideration? Is that going to be one of our pillars? Right. So these are things like that like how much residential if residential. These are things we should be prepared to think about for the next meeting. I think >> okay, >> it's my two cents. >> Yeah, I think that's right. I think

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things that we really need to have a base on is how we feel about having residential versus non-residential. How we feel about open space, you know, percentages on open space. >> Um, >> parking. >> Parking and the timeline of what it

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takes to turn the property around. I think that's >> very very important. >> Yeah. So, I'm not >> and retained ownership. >> Yeah. I think the other thing we have to talk about is the length of if the

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length of timing on a long-term lease, you know, 30 years, 50 years, 99 years, >> right? >> Yeah. I mean, the significance of the investment, >> right, >> dictate likely the length of requested time, right? Because >> and also potential residential use. I mean, >> right,

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>> those are all kind of you put those all in a blender and that helps you get your ROI you need on a significant investment. So, >> yeah, >> just help inform our philosophy and rubric building or whatnot. Yep. Talked a lot about that >> like when we when came forward and had conversations, right? Like

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>> no, we didn't plan for residential, but in the scheme of things, how do you get a developer to bid without it? So then what is that sweet spot that you're comfortable going to or how do you want to frame the rubric to say like we acknowledge >> while the preference is it residential?

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We acknowledge it's necessary for the financing. So, right, >> we just don't want to see it go out of hand. What does that look like? How does how do we want to make that pitch? >> So, >> right. All potentially. >> Yeah. All potentially. Yes. Thank you.

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>> Okay. So, let's move on then to discussion unless anybody else. We're good. >> The discussion and possible vote on the >> Let me just go back to prepare for that meeting. >> Yep. >> Feel like we should be working off the same data set. So, if there's anything

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that we feel that we want to have in front of us that we can study, whether or not that is obviously the Hawthorne report, but there was also >> Baker Tilly. >> What? >> The Baker Tilly. >> The Baker Tilly, the $50,000 report. That >> is that the library? >> No, >> no, >> no. That's the library is another one.

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That's over. That's six figures. I was I was I was more referring to the public input that has been collated and delineated over a long period of time. >> Is that talking about the Hawthorne reviews committee report

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>> before the Hawthorne >> there's a popover meeting? >> Oh the >> Yeah, there several meetings. Yep. >> Yeah. So if there's community feedback and that's >> Tilly put together who did we have consulting for us at the time? >> We did. Baker Tilly was a request that um that Doug had requested because he

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really wanted to see more economic development data data. >> Well, that was on that was the Baker Tilly was focused on the district, right? >> The district like what >> right? >> So, that's something we should get to you guys. You can see >> um there's the Hawthorne Reuse Committee

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report and then there's should be some feedback from the consultant that was hired to facilitate the dots. >> Yeah. Yes, that's what I Yeah, that I want to see. >> Who was that? >> Brian might know. >> Kushing Kush. Uh >> it was um

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>> Oh my gosh. Can I think of >> that? We don't know what we're talking about. You could provide us that report that would be great. >> Some sort of consolidated man, you know, thing that we could go to so when we're in discussion, we can point back to >> you know, resident feedback. >> So, I think between those three sort of things, we can be working from the same

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data set. >> Got it. >> Okay. >> Great. >> All right. Moving on to trash talk. Guys, I think we are making >> I just have one quick question on the just because it >> I it just said good time. >> Listen, nobody wants to get out of here quicker than me. But

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>> the the uh >> we all like hanging out. >> The Hadley on the H on the Hadley there. When are they coming? When is the date that they're coming? >> Next. >> We were talking about the 17th. >> 17. >> 17th. Okay. >> And Dixon would be here to go through the design uh drawings that they provided. >> Does he also have to do that? Are we

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also having another public meeting outside of the select board meeting? I don't know why I thought they was >> I think that was on the timeline was they were going to have public >> they had to have two public meetings before their last before submitting the plans which they did >> right >> I don't think they had to have another public meeting >> the only thing that that that the board

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had requested is to talk about the the parking lot and to really engage the neighbors surrounding the um the the rear of the properties. >> Okay. >> And that's something else that we'll talk to Dixon tomorrow to try to schedule that >> while they're here. >> That's correct. Do the neighbor. So, do you have to do we have to notify the

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neighbors? >> We're going to confirm with Dixon that he's available to and then it will be communicated that he will be available to take feedback from Abutters while he's here. >> Mhm. And he he we mentioned this on the last call we had that you know he has dealt with this in other >> right

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>> neighborhood hotels that they've built and they have facilitated uh not public meetings in the sense that everybody can come but sort of a butter meetings like that to make sure that the concerns are heard and they you know are in communication they're being good neighbors. So Dixon committed to do that,

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>> but we can also get a either a flyer or a a postcard out to the about to make sure even though it's not a public hearing that they know that we'll be informing them in some way, >> but they will in the next few months. I think their LDA says they have to have all permitting by February 2027, which

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is not far away. So we'll have to go for site plan. I would imagine they'll have to file by mid >> October at the latest >> in order to sooner, but yes. >> Yeah, probably sooner. That would be tight. um in order to make that deadline which is a public hearing so we'll be notified >> right I'm just saying this is like a

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belt and suspenders to make sure for this that no one can say they didn't know it was coming right it's not legally required for normal selection let's do that >> best practice >> okay great okay back to trash and keeping on time >> I have a what' you say >> and keeping on time >> okay I thought you were telling me to

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keep it short which I will but >> I was >> um great so I have a brief trash contract update before I get into these I want to talk about or just highlight On the 8th, we have a solid waste advisory committee meeting that I will be presenting in greater detail. And

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then on the 15th, I believe here I was looking up to see Joe, but we're working on having a meeting here that will be broadcast in really more of a Q&A. There'll be the very similar presentation to what I give it um solid waste advisory. We'll have Gino here hopefully members of solid waste

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advisory committee sort of sitting up front with us answering questions, talking about implementation. Um so >> you said this the 15th, >> right? So it's the next two Mondays there'll be meetings. Um they'll both be hybrid. We would love to have anyone come to either one of them as well obviously. Um and very likely there'll

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be another one towards the end of the month that is again just sort of a Q&A. This is where we are. This is what's going on. Uh folks are welcome to come ask questions and anything else they would like. the updates. Uh in addition to that, we anticipate tomorrow, the afternoon, I would say, right now, just

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because I I haven't turned it on for the morning yet, we will have a updated web page and we'll put a banner that will be persistent across the top of the website and the sort of news flash. So, a few different ways to get there that have frequently asked questions that we anticipate related to the implementation

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of this and the upcoming changes uh around the carts and other things that I'll update here. um that Q&A will grow as we have the SWAC meeting and any other if we if we're hearing similar questions, we'll make sure that it's just posted there as another place to get questions and answers regardless of whether or not you can get me on the

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phone. I'm looking at Wayne just because he's been very involved with SWAC prior to being elected, but it's it'll be a play centralized place for information that will become sort of the hub for the implementation and going forward. Um so, just want to highlight that. As I said, I anticipate tomorrow afternoon because I've not yet set it up to turn it on.

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It's a draft page right now. >> Um So the four things I have listed here I just wanted to update. The first one is about service levels. Uh and for me that means you know we're still doing yard waste. How often is recycling happening? What's happening with trash? So in short

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none of the things are changing right now. Uh recycling is every week. Trash is every week. The I believe it's seven weekends is that right Wayne for or seven weeks rather for yard waste that is also continuing. Um, these were all parts of the contract negotiation. And

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so the idea was we're going to automated, which is a a a change. So we will now have a machine with an arm that picks up the barrels uh and dumps them in to the uh to the truck. That is a significant change. So we wanted to maintain service levels uh with that and

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and that was the contract that we negotiated. Um I and I'll sort of stop for questions at any point, but I just wanted to highlight that as number one. Recycling carts, which we talked about at town meeting obviously and um budgeted money uh free cash to purchase. We anticipate

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um actually executing that this week uh with the hope that they will be here as soon as possible. There has been some discussion that they could be here at the beginning of July. Uh, and I think where we are right now on that transition from manual to fully automated, uh, is that we're looking at

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the second week in July to allow for a little more time for public communication education, but also to make sure we can reasonably deploy all of these new recycling carts and make sure that, you know, every service address has uh, what they need and what's there and sort of work through any kinks that we may have. We heard

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from Republic today that they have secured the trucks that we need to go fully automated, which was sort of an open question. It could require additional funds. Uh if we went into the we had negotiated down sort of a 90-day window that they had and beyond that, they would be swallowing any any related

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costs. Um they told us today that they were able to secure it based on when we move forward. They're excited about that. So, as soon as we're ready and deployed, uh we will we will be making that transition. That's a significant savings for us >> and it's something they had indicated they thought they would be able to do

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but getting the confirmation removed >> for both recycling and for trash. >> Correct. >> Correct. Okay. >> And that removed one lever of anxiety that had existed. >> Good. >> Um so you know with that the recycling carts as I said will be procured. Uh I mentioned a town meeting but just

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highlighting here again it's a 96gallon barrel. It is a large recycling barrel. Uh it's the equivalent to having I believe it's four and a half of the bins. >> So in terms of volume that can go inside it. No >> four and a half bin >> of our trash current trash site. >> Not the

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>> the bin the >> Oh the blue recycle I know. Just trying to give a >> Okay. >> I'm trying to give a a frame of reference because everyone is differentized barrel. The bin is something that everyone has four and a half with four and it might be five but

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I I'm going to go on the side. Yeah, it's a lot of capacity. Uh and it's something that you know I will just highlight uh since I talked about service levels. One of the reasons that we chose that size is so in the future if there is a discussion from a policy

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standpoint about any changes to the recycling, it is something that can be handled. It was not a decision that we wanted to be making in the future based on what had been deployed in the summer of 2026. We wanted to keep every option open and leave those policy decisions to

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be made by the select board. Uh so I just wanted to highlight that was the one of the important decision points with going with that large barrel. Also in talking not only to the vendor we chose but with other vendors basically every community that is going automated is going with the large recycling barrel

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to give as much capacity as possible because tipping recycling is something where we get some money back and it is cheaper than tipping trash. So we want people to be thinking that way. We want to continue to do everything we can to stay within the 35gallon trash and doing everything we can to recycle as much

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material as we can. Uh on timing, as I mentioned, what we're looking at right now is the second week in July to give us more opportunity to make sure everything is deployed and that we have time to have as many uh conversations and open communication opportunities

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with the community. Uh >> so we're talking about rolling out this new trash policy the second week in July in six weeks from now. That is the idea right now. >> Including trash. Automated for trash. >> Correct. Which both the the only change in automation for trash is making sure

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that the barrel is 3 ft away from >> Right. Well, that was my point. >> Obstructions. So, the barrel we're already we already have the standardized barrel on the trash side. >> So, it's making sure we deploy the standardized barrel on the recycling side uh in working through questions and comments and concerns that folks may

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have between now and then. >> Okay. So, I just think that's a really short runway. I just there's a lot of information to get out to people. The sooner we can do that, the happier I will be personally because I've been asking for it for a bit. I just it's six weeks and that's going to fly, right?

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So, the sooner we can get specifics out and let people know this is what you're getting, this is what you're doing, these are your options, the better off we'll be. >> And some of that will be up tomorrow. The initial public opportunity would be on Monday the 8th and then the 15th is the one that we would be doing here for

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anyone to come in. It's just a a public information session. It's not a hosted by a particular committee or anything like that. >> So, we're going to do that for June 8th. There's going to be a session. Did you >> June 8th is there's a right. There's a SWAC meeting where Nick will be presenting to to SWAC members to kind of

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inform them more. Up until now, it's really been the task force that's kind of been working on that. Um, so the entirety of SWAC will have an opportunity to kind of ask additional questions, kick the tires, make sure that you know what how we're going to roll this out

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and take part of the education piece of this, right? Um the SWAC gets involved in addition with with with staff. >> So that's on Monday. So we're so at that point we're still not finalized anything, right? We're just >> What do you mean? I I don't know. So SWAC is still going to look at it,

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right? And and kick the tire as to way to what he just said. So >> yeah, not kick the kick the tires in terms of what other types of questions could be potentially being asked, right? so that we so that we can kind of coordinate from a community standpoint how to how we're going to educate and do

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outreach. >> Right? So that's not really an information session for people to understand. >> No, information is the 15th, >> right? I'm saying being a public meeting, anyone is welcome to join us virtually or in person to answer to ask questions in the public comment section and obviously you know

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>> right and my concern is that most people won't do that. Right? >> That's fine. So >> I understand >> you know the what other methods of communication are we going to employ to get this message out is my thought. >> There's the website the public information sessions and you know

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working with cable access to make sure it's running on heavy rotation obviously right >> uh and using the social channels that we have available. Maybe we're maybe we develop an FAQ that goes out via email to residents, right, and lets them know common questions. This >> the FAQ the initial draft, not draft,

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the initial FAQ will be posted tomorrow. That was what I said at the top. >> Okay, great. >> And I haven't turned on the website yet. So, it I'm just setting the expectation it might be noon instead of 8 a.m., okay? because we need to turn it on. But it's been drafted and looked at internally so that it is ready to be turned on

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>> with the idea that it will grow with questions that we do here and not just the ones that we anticipated or that in speaking with other communities they heard. There's going to be questions that are particular to >> Swampscott. >> Yes. >> Um and we will continue to edit that to to make additions. I would just

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highlight that if the direction is that there is a broad agreement that that's too quick. The trash side automation can happen without anyone feeling any real change. >> The barrel that you have is the barrel we'll be using, it's what you have been using for years.

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>> And instead of it being someone off the back of the truck that picks it up or puts it into the machine to tip, it's now going to be a driver who uses an arm to tip it. >> Right. Right. >> So there's al there's also that opportunity to say on recycling we push it out a week two weeks more >> if there's broad agreement because there

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you know it's deploy everything continue to educate there's a marginal difference in cost at that point right >> as long as we go fully automated as soon as possible on the part that people are used to and have been using and understand and and have a comfort level with. So I think two things. One, when

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we went through this pain point prior, >> uh there wasn't good education. Well, first of all, we weren't in the same financial situation. And second of all, there wasn't a good education on why we were coming to this conclusion. Just that you got a barrel.

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>> There wasn't any education. >> There wasn't any education. I think we've although we have not come up with the exact conversations, we have been talking about the fact that this is going to be a financial savings. We've been talk we've been laying this foundation although not specific to

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>> your trash needs to be set up in this spot. Your recycling now needs to be in this barrel. So I I agree that there needs to be a little bit of time for that conversation, but I think the backbone of this is really the financial ramifications. So, if we were to pull it

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out a month or two months, how much is that going to cost the town on on the track on the recycling side? >> I think that's a whole another we we also have to have another conversation involved in this too >> because we're talking about we're

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talking about right now putting out two new containers. That's that's the topic. Here's two containers. Put them at the end of your driveway and send your stuff out. But we also have to talk about our service levels. And as a policymaking board, we have to we really have to

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decide what are we doing as far as our service level. Are we are we allowing people to buy another bin, >> which I'm a big supporter of? Buy another bin for your for your trash. What's the cost on that? Are you going to get build? And then the second thing

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is how often are we going to do recycling? Do we still do recycling every single week? Now, part of the contract that was negotiated gives us another variable in there of whether or not to have recycling every week or recycling every other week and then buy

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another bin. But my concern is we turn around and we say, "Okay, here's your new bins. Here's your new bins." And then >> at what point do we turn around and say, "Well, we're also changing we're changing the way we're doing it. We're going to you have recycling every other

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week >> or you know, that's that whole conversation. want to know the answers to, right? They want to know how much is my second barrel? >> Do I get a second barrel? >> Can I have one? You know, is my recycling ever going to change? >> Right. And I and I think as a board, we

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need to >> So, I think we're trying to stage these conversations. Yes. >> A little bit, right? So that we can so begin to socialize these things. It just comes down to, you know, there is going to be an adjustment going to automate auto automated and there's going to be a bit of uh

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>> pain point >> some pain points in terms of getting the word out to all 5,000 something residences to know that >> it's going to be set this way. >> You need Exactly. Exactly. And I think Republic understands that. Yeah.

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>> They've gone through this before. In fact, almost all Northshore communities >> I was gonna say lived in any other city surrounding Swam, you already know what to do. And I'm not saying that I have faith in the people of Swampscott to know how to put out the trash. If we inform them it has to be out that way

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>> in a certain way. I guess what I'm saying is >> when we're having these conversations, we should be setting the table that additional policy conversations are happening. I don't think it's a smart idea to roll them all out at the same time. >> Right. Right.

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>> So, so my worry is, so we're going to roll out one. Oh, here's your new barrels. And then next week we're going to roll out, you can buy some new barrels, and then the following we're going to roll out, guess what? Now you're going to now here's a new policy. You're only going to be recycling every other week. >> Confusion roll them out all at the same

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time. I don't understand why do >> it. If if I could just speak to the >> the service levels particularly >> we wanted to negotiate a contract that would allow you all to make a thoughtful >> decision >> decision with deliberation on what and

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how you wanted to change it. The time, the best time for us to be negotiating a price was when we had multiple competitors all coming back to us and us saying, >> "We don't really think what you gave us as a quote unquote discount between a every week and every other week is meaningful. Can you take another look at

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that?" Or, you know, if we have these ideas about it, how do they impact the price? If we were to do this, if we were to sign a contract and say it's every week, and then come back to them in a year and say, "Let's negotiate now." >> We're stuck for four more years with them. they don't really have to work with us.

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>> So that was the opportunity where, you know, we were able to establish that this is a potential, you know, uh, and we wanted to know what the best price was and we were able to get them to compete against each other. I my personal opinion and idea is similar to

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Wayne's. If it's a if it's a significant change in service level and every other week is for a community that's always been every week, that's something that I would like to socialize far beyond just we're asking you to put it in a different barrel. >> Yeah. >> I I want you to I want not just you all, but I I want to be able to say to the

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community like the the savings are X and it's significant and here's why we think it's worthwhile. We want your feedback there. I also am not >> I don't >> trying to hide the ball on the fact that we have a larger barrel to allow for that. if that's the decision that's made and we negotiated it because this is the

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moment at which we had leverage. >> So, it's not trying to put you all in a position you have to do it. It's just leaving as many options on the table so you can >> I also think you're going to get a lot less push back >> if you give them the barrel, allow them to actually use it for a little bit.

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Notice how much recycling they're actually putting in it. >> Yes. >> And then say like, "Okay, this is we've used it for 6 months. We can tell that >> this isn't going to be a problem to move to two weeks now. And now you all agree because you've utilized the barrel and you see that it's that's not going to be

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a problem. >> I don't think I agree with that because I think everybody in their mother uses a different size recycle bin to assume that we use brand new >> they do now. I mean I use two big huge blue ones, right? So if you're going to tell me that this little, you know, one

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that, you know, for example, that you think is common place, right, that, you know, people are using way bigger than the the standard right now, >> the 96 gallons. 96 gallons is it's huge. >> I've got two. >> You have two 96 gallons. >> 296 gallons >> they're using for recycling >> that I use every week.

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>> So that's just me. And I'm not really great at it, but >> honestly, I'm sure there's people better than people. >> Honest to God, it >> sounds like you win the trophy. >> Yeah. But there's a lot of people that do it. So I my concern is yes, okay, we

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want to take baby steps and get people acclimated to X, but there I think you're better off here's the whole thing. This is what's coming down. This is this is all of it, right? >> At least lay it out all on the table. I'm not laying because you might want to say we are we

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are going to be going to every other week recycling, but we're not going to start doing that until X date. >> That's what I think we should. So, we're going to do X day, but I want everything out on the table right away. I don't want I don't want Yes. >> I don't want By the way, by the way, by the way, >> no. All out.

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>> Nobody's saying that, though, right? >> Well, that's exactly what we just said, though, right? >> No, it is not approach. >> But Nick Nick said >> I can I think we're all talking about somewhat of the same thing. >> I don't think there's real disagreement.

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I don't think that we're hiding it at all. I just laid out that we negotiated for it, >> right? We are we chose the barrel with it in mind, right? But it is ultimately the decision of the you all have said it several times tonight, the policym board here in town, right? >> So that we can implement.

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>> I don't I don't know that we have an exact time in mind, but if you all say you want it to be six months from now or next spring, then >> yeah, I think we have some a learning cycle to go through over a couple of months. Yeah, I I think we reser we have to reserve the right to and this is

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about this is about how we go to the public with this. We we need to say that we are considering going down to six months. Deciding tonight about it >> every other week. You mean >> every other week? >> What did I just say? >> Six months. We'll never be able to get Danielle out of the house >> twice a year. They really just they

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really just say that God has been a long night. Every other week. Yeah. We need to we need to start the conversation with you're going to get a new barrel. This is you're going to be automated. We negotiated the price for this to go every other week. Good for us. We pretty

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much feel like that is going to happen imminently. What does imminently look like? You know, could be months, but we have to move towards that conversation. My uh awareness of this is just that we can't and I think I'm probably saying

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the same thing that you just said, but like we we need to communicate it once. Yes. >> And not drip drip drip drip drop. That's what we agree. >> We're all in agreement with that. >> All agree. >> But also we're not locking in the decision to do anything right now, right? Are we going to make a policy decision in the next before July, whatever >> that we're going to

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>> Yeah. I think we should be making a policy decision as quickly as possible. I think we should be making a policy decision on a second barrel, >> right? >> And how much it's going to cost people and as soon as possible. >> That's an easier policy deci decision to make than it is to say we're going to be

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altering your recycling schedule and we're going to tell you tomorrow. But there's there's some math behind as to what that ends up being though, right? And that's what we have to to have the conversation about. >> That's why I would have been figured out. >> Yeah. >> What the math? >> Yeah. >> To buy the extra barrel. Mhm.

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>> So we have the cost we have the cost for a second barrel and we have the maximum weight that it could be. So we could >> great >> we can give you the over 52 weeks you are doing a quarter a ton and so we can >> I know people want to know how much is a second barrel costing me a year and do I

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still have to buy blue bags? That's what they want to know. >> Right. So again I I was going to just blue bags. Yes, you can continue using them. >> Right. >> Ideally just put it on top. >> Same cost. >> Same as of today. Yes. Yeah, that's >> I think what what makes more sense, but

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I do not have the answer right now for you, Danielle, is the idea that if it's someone that habitually is buying bags, that there is a barrel and the cost is X >> and that covers the cost and the tipping. The question, and this will again be a decision that SWAC will weigh in and it's probably looked at already,

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is is this an annual cost or onetime cost? Obviously, the barrel is a onetime cost, but >> do we want to additional tipping if you're if you're tipping a quarter ton in that one barrel over the course of the year? Is it then a quarter of that 125? You know, >> I think it has to be annual because it's got to be annual

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>> because the contract we only have a finite amount of time under the contract, right? So, this is a contract for how many years? >> Five. >> Five years. >> So, after five years, >> tipping could go way up, tipping could go down, you know, like things are going to change. Another conversation that we're going to be having to face within

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the next 12 months. We're going to have to start talking about is whether or not we are charging for our trash. That's that's just something we have to the trash fee. We have to start discussing a trash fee >> sooner rather than later. Whether or not people think we should or we shouldn't,

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you know, whe you you people think we should or we shouldn't. >> You people, >> you people, us people, us folks, it's late. So we have to we but that's something we do have to decide and >> yeah I just don't want perfection to stop us from moving forward on certain things. So I agree that we need to have

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that conversation but and I agree that we could even >> float ideas of that conversation. If somebody asked that conversation at the SWAC meeting or at the public meeting we should say it's plausible that that could be a policy decision the board makes. Look at the surrounding areas that you can read 20 articles about it

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in the last month. >> Yep. Yep. But they have not made that decision today. And what we're talking about today are the size of your recycling barrel, >> the the where you're putting it for automated pickup and the idea that we've already negotiated to go to every other week and that the select board is

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actively discussing this. So if you want to be a partner in this conversation, please show up and tell them what your thoughts are. >> Not no dribble, no lies, no hiding the ball. >> Nope. I can be as transparent as possible. I do not am Happy to take correction. I think we are

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doing the opposite of patting the ball by talking about what we negotiated. Agreed. Explaining why we chose the barrels >> and I will happily circulate the exact dollar amount for if we were to extend it to August 1 before we go fully automated with um the recycling to to

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give more of a runway. I think it will not be as shocking as it is in other communities where you get two new barrels and like so you're getting used to the size of the barrels and where they're going because you all have done a ton of hard work in the past to right >> to use the barrels that are small on the

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trash side. Get used to it, socialize it even though it was painful when it started. >> It's still painful. >> There's been a ton of benefits the town has derived from that over time. >> Yes. I will just say also that we will continue for this process to be painful because no matter how we listen we're

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going to opine to do the most public engagement possible and get all the information out but no matter what there is going to be people who say I did not know this was going to happen and of course so but we will commit which is what we're all here to do is to commit that we will engage in multiple facets

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as best we can I think by the sec by the 17th that meeting for the 17th we do need to know per barrel annual or not. >> So that we can start talking about that because the I guarantee you on the 8th and the 15th that's the first question that you're going to get. >> Yeah.

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>> Where do you get the second barrel? >> Yeah. How the second trash barrel? How much is it going to cost? Is it going to be an annual fee? >> And so blue bags. This is this is supposed to be. >> Can I say >> the blue the blue bags are a question that are on the FAQ that you can like that and that was a one of the initial

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like threshold questions we had >> in January with folks saying we don't want to be in a situation where you say absolutely not and some originally said no we don't want to do the blue bag we don't want to have any bag sitting on top and when we said you know the conversations with your competitors is

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we can handle it the tune changed. >> So how does the blue bag work with the automation? You put it right on the barrel and the arm comes in and it just fits the whole thing. >> You can only have one blue bag. >> Correct. >> Right. >> Well, you can >> This might be a change for people because there are people that and and just to be clear, this is not that they're going to drive past a place that

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has other bags. Danielle, it is ideally you put one or two on top and they can lift it. It they >> one. >> Okay. Regard >> if I could just get through the thought. >> They are they are able to stop and get out. the driver of the truck is actually

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on the >> there's only one driver now. That's the that's the point. There's one driver. There's no guy in the back of the truck. >> And the problem is if it's the household as a habit, then that is when the service will there'll be thoughts provided back to us as the town to say like okay >> and episodic like there was a you know

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birthday party for a child >> and you had extra trash and >> they'll just take it and throw it in. >> Not going to be episodic. telling you >> and I hear you loud and clear and we will have an answer. I understand we're >> there's going to be an answer here.

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>> We're just bringing I mean this is just the reality of it. >> Okay. So by this by the 17th we're going to have an answer for the extra barrel. We're going to have that conversation before. >> Okay. Before that's even great. If it can be put on the speculated >> Well, it can't because Swack should really weigh in on it, right? >> I I think I think we we discuss it. We

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can discuss it at that meeting. >> Okay. On the 8th. So then it can come before us on the 17th and we can make a policy decision on it. >> Great. >> Do we need to talk about this again tonight? Do you think good marching orders? >> Let's move on. >> Only a little sarcastic >> approval. Is everybody good to move on, please? The approval of the minutes for

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March 2nd, March 18th, April 8th, and April 27th. The reason these are not in the consent agenda is because you all were not here. So we cannot uh it'll be the three of us voting on it, not Wayne and Ted. Correct. >> That's why it was removed from the consent agenda. They can vote on it if

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they want. >> I don't think we can since >> I don't think they can because they were not members of the board. >> Okay. So, just so you know, KP >> Okay. Well, >> KP says yes. >> Regardless, uh I'll take a motion to approve um those meeting minutes.

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>> So, move. >> You want a second? >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> would you all like to vote or would you like to abstain? >> So, are we are you just going to separate the ones that we guys vote? That's what you just said. Okay. Up to which up to when?

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>> So March 2nd, March 18th, March April 8th, and April 27th, which you were not here for. You can either abstain or you can vote. Okay. So we have to abstain and three. Yay. That passes. >> Is something right on that? Wednesday, April 27th, because Tuesday, April 28th is when we were elected.

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>> Correct. >> That's the wrong That's wrong. >> No, we >> You are right. It was on Monday. It was >> That should be Monday. >> Should be Monday. >> You're absolutely right. catch. >> That's administrative, but >> Okay, >> this is a scriber error. >> Correct. >> That's what I meant. >> Okay. >> Catch. >> All right. Moving on to the um consent

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agenda. Are there any items on the consent agenda you wish to pull from the consent agenda? >> All the liquor licenses. I have some questions. >> All of them. Do we up on >> Okay. All of the liquor licenses are being pulled. So items one through four are remaining on the consent agenda unless there are other >> there was one set of minutes that I will

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just had a minor change to >> on the 6th through the 18th >> on the 6th. >> Okay. So we'll pull the 6th from the consent agenda and the motion will be >> credit for a question Wayne asked >> uh April I'm sorry May 18th and items 2

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through 4 is the consent agenda. Could I have a motion to approve? >> Motion moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I Okay. Okay. So, now we'll take the uh first the minutes. >> Yeah. So, the um I just have this said something. Ted

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Douly asked a question that was actually board question during election update. Ted Duly asked for a breakdown on voter turnout by precinct. I believe that was my colleague Wayne here. >> Safety concerns at the base of the hill suggesting that was me. >> Okay. So >> I will take a motion to approve the

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minutes as amended with Wayne as the commentator and not Ted. >> So the second >> I hold on then. >> Wait, which which were you saying, Ted? Which line? >> I'll take credit for it. >> Do we want to just move these? >> Oh, way up there. >> Sorry. >> It's not that late compared to other

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meetings. >> Oh, the next one. >> You asked for the breakdown of voter turnout by precinct. >> Yes, I did. >> Yes. >> Okay, great. >> It's not that late. >> Thank you. So we will amend the meetings to reflect that that was said by Wayne and not Ted and Mary Ellen just made the motion to approve Daniel second. All in

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favor? >> I. Great. Moving on to the liquor licenses. Mary Ellen, please. >> Uh so my question is one, what is the town's liability in the event people are purchasing liquor on

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property and something happens? What how are we covered there? I believe we require require them to hold their own insurance with us as additionally insured. >> The provider of the alcohol, >> correct? >> They have liquor liability insurance

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>> and we are named as additionally insured. >> From my experience running Octoberfest the last six years, it's always been >> we pull the insurance. >> Yeah. >> And have the town as a >> Y. Great. >> For a specific dollar amount. >> Okay. Okay. So, the second question I

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have is on the 3rd of July. >> Mhm. >> Because is it are we only having one liquor license on the 3rd of July? And what how much are we getting how much do we charge? Are we only charging $50 for this? >> That's a good question.

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>> Uh, >> thank you. I would I want to confirm with Charlotte that I know that in the past the um distributors who sell on the 4th help fund a portion of the entertainment >> historically that correct did it

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>> right but is that happening whatever but we >> yeah no that is happening I I want to get the actual numbers for you so that I'm not just pulling those off the top of my head that is that is >> still happening here >> that's the main reason that we even offer it at this point because they help to defay the cost of the entertainment

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for the today if not coming. >> Oh, we know but to the historically la previously prior to the current recreation director I had questions about the funding mechanism and were we getting enough in return for what was happening because it used to be a they

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pay for the band and you know it was kind of a real gray area of how much we're getting exactly are we capitalizing making as much as we can. So that's kind of I think >> Charlotte has told me the number. I don't want to misquote it. Okay. I can circulate it to the group and happy to >> I think when Charlotte took over she

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handled it differently than >> prior. >> We actually talked about >> this specifically and >> not what do they pay us. I was asking like >> financially >> what is the actual relationship because >> it seems like an opportunity that similar when I was talking about um food

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service or food trucks. Is it something we should be a bid? >> Right. Uh, so I I don't I can't answer you with the exact number because I don't want to be misqued. >> She's definitely done something different. I know that I can say that, but I don't know how much either. So, uh, so my the other question I have is a concern I have is the Humphrey Street

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Block Party. >> I am not in favor of having an outside vendor come to the Humphrey Street Block Party for a couple reasons. We have a number of restaurants that have, you know, alcohol and they pay a lot of money for property taxes and this is a

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small area. So, I guess I don't understand why we have to bring in a vendor who's only going to pay a a smaller amount when you have now we have >> the um Swampscott Performing Arts, we have G, we have Avalino, we have

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Docside, you know, we have >> we have people people that can can provide this and it benefits them. So, I don't want to take anything away from them. Y >> having attended last year, I will say that the addition of there were actually

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>> three liquor additional uh beer providers at the end of the street by Fisherman's Beach >> and basically it became it was a beer area and it was roped off >> and it basically became like >> sort of a hopound situation. I saw

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people having a beer at Cafe Avalino and then moving on to Dockside and then moving on to East regimen. You couldn't carry it with you. You had >> CC rag that they're not allowed to go from establishment to establishment with beer. Right. >> Right. You couldn't carry it with you, but you could have a drink and then you could go to the next spot and have a

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drink. >> Pour it out. Go get a >> And so I don't think there was and the amount of people that were involved the all the >> side was slammed. >> It was slammed. So it >> I will say >> I would say nobody lost out on business last year by having a beer vendor at the

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end of the street. I would say the opposite quite frankly. it brought more people in to enjoy all different food and beer vendors and people were attending multiple establishments. So, I actually think the opposite is true and it brought more people to enjoy the

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block party. But >> is there is there a rule um that we could charge more for a particular event? Is that within our purview to make it competitive if there's such a draw? >> We can charge whatever we want. I don't Yeah. I didn't know what what we that's

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in our control. Just that I'm not saying I'm not not advocating for that. What I'm saying is that in our control or not? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I think my my question is like you're saying that it didn't affect, you know, G or docside didn't affect their business. But, you know, I question that, you know, is that is that their opinion that it didn't affect their

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business? I mean, would G or do side put out an additional tent in front of their place or in the Swampscout Performing Arts? I mean, >> they would but they have the opportunity to do so. No, there was like last year Marcy went around and advocated and spoke individually to every single

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business owner to encourage them on additional ideas on what they could do to make more money that day. Okay. >> So, it wasn't just like, hey, have people come in. She encouraged um Vololo to come out with slices. We don't do slices. Okay. But like it there were so many people that you could sell Italian

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sodas or whatever. Like any way that they could try to make additional funds by that block party. was the purpose of the block party. They were given that opportunity and I think Marzy worked very carefully to ensure that they even thought outside the box and didn't limit themselves so that they could

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financially have a stake in what was going on. >> But does it make sense for us to revisit at this point and say, you know, we're considering having a beer vendor. Would you prefer, you know, putting a satellite beer cart or something from your establishment? I don't know if

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their liquor license would even allow for that. they have to obtain a one >> or would we does it make sense for us to revisit that and and offer that up to them again before we >> approve this? >> I mean I take to Mary Ellen's point where it's you know do you have an

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outside vendor that's not a a current >> paying permitted uh um establishment, right? >> To be able to come in for $50 and sell a couple thousand dollar worth of beer. that would be then taking a couple thousand dollars away of income from our established businesses on Humphrey

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Street. I take to that point which is kind of why I was going if you if you raise the bar a little higher right >> now everyone's >> putting it at premium >> paying everyone's kind of on a somewhat of a level playing field >> well I think we first have to find out the numbers right we have to understand what it is they're paying what how what

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is the financial arrangement so we know if it's beneficial or not and then maybe we revisit with the existing do you want to have do you want to get a one day liquor license to put a satellite location do side or wherever at fisherman's be you know this year in particular, I think it'll

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be interesting because it's it's on a Sunday versus last year, >> which I'm glad because I really hated that the businesses, >> you know, were affected by closure >> from Saturday. So, that's >> and then, you know, the issue with church parking as well. >> I think there were a couple

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>> there's also legislation pending in the state house now that kind of alters um uh ABC regulations on I will say public drinking. It's not public drinking. social consumption drinking areas that municipalities are potentially allowed to approve for the

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summer only. >> Um where this kind of if it does happen, this area is >> something we could consider on this one day. >> Um that would alleviate some of this conversation. But again in a state the

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timing the timing of this the timing of this might be a little bit too late for this year too. I mean we are looking we're in the first week of June. You know, if I'm this vendor, I'd have to say, "Look, you got to let me know." Oh, well, this is in August. This is August. So, that we're okay with this. >> But, I mean, this is the point of the

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movie nights, the concert nights. We have outside vendors coming in, >> right? >> We're not offering up, you know, and Docside doesn't have a stand on the lawn or anything, >> but maybe they want. >> I mean, the black block party drew thousands of people. >> Thousands. I'm just I think for that particular one, it's the more the

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marrier. It was it was >> incredible amount of people that came out. They were there an awful long time. You couldn't get a seat at Dockside if you wanted. So, it was nice to be able to go somewhere and grab a beverage. It was really hot last year and you could, you know, go to the tent and grab a drink, enjoy a beverage and then leave.

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And so, it's it kept people there when businesses couldn't handle the level of >> and it might make sense to have, you know, to talk to Charlotte because she ran it last year with, you know, no notice. I mean, she jumped in and put it together and all of us would ask her,

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>> right? I would also like some type of input from Greg at G I mean from right >> Greg didn't participate last year. >> He didn't >> in the not in the block party. He was not he wasn't open. >> No, Dark Side did. >> And it's hard because they also they're open for dinner during the day. So it

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was difficult for them to be open. The same thing with Nord Haven. They open up for dinner and so they open up by 4. So they're doing food prep and stuff. They don't have time necessarily >> to coordinate. Although they were open cuz they did have dim they had like um hatai and dimart by in the cart. Yeah.

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They moved their um things over. But >> do you think after seeing the success of last year that they would be influenced differently than maybe what they didn't have an expectation last year? >> I totally do. But I also think that that doesn't mean we shouldn't approve each regimen. >> I think there is there's plenty to be

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had here and there's no reason to limit this particular vendor. >> Okay. with everybody else that's still attending and everybody who will continue to attend and I hope everyone participates. >> Yeah, >> it's a lot of fun and it was a great event last year. >> Yeah. >> So, have a busy day. There's value to Yeah.

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>> I'm not a restaurant owner, so I'll preface it. Obviously, there's value to someone else being down the street if you got a bar with 10 people deep. Yeah. >> Having them say, I'm just going to go down the street rather than clog up your restaurant. And >> I mean, I agree. We have heard from Docside or other when you know when um

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the bakery was here about how the food trucks at the Hawthorne are a problem because it was going to be on a rotation but being like a one-time event like this I think it's more of a a boom than it is you know consistently battling something

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>> like was busy last year. >> Yeah. Cafe Abalina was busy last year and get in. >> Yeah. So, it's nice to have somewhere else to go. >> And they haven't come back and said anything like, "Hey, you know, can we not do this or >> we have not heard anything?"

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>> No. >> Okay. >> All right. >> What's the date? >> The date. >> The 9th, but it can't it's not starting at 11, right? >> I thought it was 11 to 5. >> So, mass is at 10:30. >> Oh, that's right. Yeah. >> Somebody's going to tell. >> Yes. We'll

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>> So it needs to start at 12 >> or I don't know limitation. You're not going to have that Hawthorne parking. >> No, >> people will have to be getting out of that. >> Yeah, vendors. I I was a vendor last year. >> So it getting set getting set up was a

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little chaotic and we can >> Yeah, >> I'm that's it just was it was the first time >> using the Hawthorne parking lot for that. >> It was closed beyond Right. It's closed. That's within the closed area, isn't it? >> It is. Yeah. So it I So for staging, they may be willing to do that because

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they're not going to have customers pulling into park. >> You can't get there. >> That's true. >> So they might be willing to work with us on the use of the lot to support the event because they're not going to have customers driving and parking there. The customers will be walking to that area. >> They might be they might be putting a lot of stuff outdoors.

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>> Yeah. I'm just saying >> I'm just saying it's a discussion that we can have to try to support the event. >> It's going to be tight with mass. That's going to be >> We'll let we'll let Charlott work that out. But I was just something to think about. like Steve Luck. >> So, if we can just please get back to the topic. Do we want to pull this one

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out or support it now and then we can also answer these questions for you. We can have Charlotte come to talk about where we are in planning and everything, but I just want to make where we were was Mary Allen had pulled this out and and had thoughts about what to do with it. So, I just want to make sure we

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>> answer that before the end of the the night. >> Right. Well, on Pride, it's it's too late to too late to to change anything on that. I wouldn't want to really do that. And then on the fireworks, that's, you know, that's right around the corner. So, I think getting an update an

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update, you know, some clarity on what's really happening is fine with me because maybe in the future we were going to say, look, we're not getting enough revenue on on our end here. H how many how many >> clarification if you sorry I just heard

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from um um Charlotte and it's actually the hours will be from 3 to 7 >> for the black >> 3 to 7 for the black for the black >> short black party totally different >> 3 to 7 >> we have 11 to 5 here >> okay >> so we can just pull that one out for

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today >> that's a good idea Nick >> also I think there are multiple vendors for the fireworks did Charlotte text you Marzy >> what she said >> yes she just texted me She only texted about the at the block. >> I think there are multiple firework vendors. This is East Regiment is not the only liquor light.

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>> Multiple beer. >> There were some that were provided to the administrator's office today. >> Okay. >> That didn't make it on. >> We're late. >> Maybe we can add them to the 8th. >> We will add them. Oh, that is We can do them. Yeah, >> we can add them on Monday. >> 17th, but we can do it on the 8th. >> Okay, great. That would be great. >> Yeah, if you could let us know what the

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finances finances look like. >> Yeah. >> Okay, perfect. So then I guess the motion would be to approve all but the you want to pull the block party out, >> right? >> And so would be approval of four one-day liquor licenses for each regiment and we

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will put block party and some other ones on the ETH. >> Correct. So moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I Okay, great. All righty. So, um, select board comments, reports, anything.

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>> Rick, just quick going back. You said discuss on the eth. >> On the eth. Yeah. >> As in this special Monday, >> the special meeting. >> Okay. How many things are we talking about on that night? >> So, now we're talking about two things. >> We're talking about two things. We're talking about the entertainment and liquor license. >> Yep.

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>> And we're talking about these one day liquor licenses. And we're going to have more information. So it's going to be more clearly and succinctly ascertained whether >> I was just concerned that I've got like small period of time >> we you have 15 minutes Wayne it will be

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>> so we will we will keep that in mind that there are 15 minutes I have faith in us considering the time right now I have faith in us we could do it in 15 minutes proud of us >> we do it in seven >> this was a big meeting and we got through it pretty quickly so appreciate that

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>> I can name that >> and Erin's going to go home and write a whole thing about the the recycling and the trash cans going out, >> please. >> Thank you. >> All right. Does anybody have select more comments or shall we go? >> I only have congratulations to the

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baseball team. They won their NEC conference. First time in 30 years. >> Wow. >> Congratulations to coach Joe Capanigro, coach of the year um for the conference. Did they just did a phenomenal job. It was nice to see. >> So, congrats to that team. >> Congrats. High school boys had a good

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valiant showing this week. Was it Monday night against Weston down in their lacrosse lacrosse match? >> Yeah, they did. >> So, put up a great effort there. >> Girls lacrosse. >> Girls lacrosse. Yeah. >> Um I said earlier, but the the new uh commercial boat fisherman boat access I

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guess on on Fisherman's Beach that DPW led was really well done. and watching that. I kind of spent a lot of time kind of watching it evolve over the two weeks they were pouring concrete at low tide and covering it up for high tide and doing it all over again. >> They did a really good job. >> Excellent. >> It was really impressive and I know the

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commercial fishermen were very, very, very appreciative. >> Yes. >> Fantastic. >> So, I just want to recognize Ameliano, Nate, Daniel, and Jill Doulette. And I'd also like to um make everybody aware that a longstanding

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individual staff person at the high school, Mr. Al Tierney, has retired and um I'm so depressed over that. He was the nicest guy and um >> I think we kept him up too late with our meetings. >> Maybe, but I think he loved it. So um

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maybe we can have a party at some point and and celebrate him. But um I really appreciate all his hard work. I'm sure everybody does. And um that's it for tonight. >> Okay. So, I uh I uh have attended one of

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the um MMA webinars uh a couple days ago and I found it absolutely I don't want to say fascinating but highly educational not just as being new but uh relevant in terms of a lot of things that have changed some legal opinions and some judgments that have

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come over the last year that I think everybody on this board should be familiar with. Um so I would advise if you can go um and watch from June 2nd. Um it talked about everything from environmental per permitting for energy, housing development, climate a climate

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action, uh energy regulation, um starter home zoning 40y uh cannabis consumption in the new law. Um just a lot of things that were covered that I think eventually may become for us at some future point that we should become

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familiar with. So just recommend and it's it should be um on um uh or recorded and available. So >> great. >> I had one resident reach out and they would like to commend the Swampscott Police Department for their action that

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they took in an incident. Sorry, there's a giant fly around me. Um anyways, please. What is going on? >> Meanwhile, >> okay, sorry. really big and Nick's laughing at me. Um,

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this particular issue was like at 3:00 in the morning there they were asleep in bed. They heard somebody having a issue in the street, a sort of a mental health issue. They called the Swampscout police. They responded and they just commended the way they responded by

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deescalating the issue >> and coming to a very safe resolution to a situation that could have ended not very safely. And so I would like to um com I don't know who the officers were that were on, but I want to commend um

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you know the Swampscott Police for um that reaction and the continued service to make sure that you know when people are in that time of need that they're there to um help them get the help that they need. So appreciate that very much.

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And that is all I have. >> Motion to >> Thank you Danielle. All in favor? I >> I thank you very much.