Ann, how are you? I had done a I had done the same thing I did last year. Just a summary of the changes. Okay. I did get a call from Chris. Good evening. We'll call the June 4th, 2025 select board meeting to order.
Uh thank you all for coming. Just a reminder, we are being recorded. If you would rise for the pledge of allegiance. Stand up. Aliance to the flag United States of America and to the stands one
nation andice for all. Going to start this evening. You want to stand for this? No such luck. With the reappoint of um interim town administrator Gino Cresta, um we'll open up for if anybody has
discussion. Uh Gino's been serving in the role for how long, Gina? Interim since December 18th. Okay. December 18th. Since Very good. And um is
appointment expires June 18th. So by charter we have to reappoint if that's the desire of the board. Somebody objects. Uh so I would entertain either
discussion or a motion at this time. A motion to reappoint Gino Cresta as interim town administrator. Have a second. Second. Second. Uh up to six months. Up to six months. The charter allows for six months. So we'll appoint I is what is the motion
for up for for up to six months. Okay, great. Sorry. Um so I have a first and a second. Uh all those in favor I and opposed. Wonderful. Thank you, Gino. Uh we now have a presentation of a
proclamation to Jonathan Walger, an Eagle Scout. Is Jonathan here? He's here. No, he's not here. Is he online? No. No. Okay. So, maybe we will table that till he could join us.
Um, town administrator's report. All right. Thank you for your support. First of all, appreciate it. All right. As you know by now, Amy Sorrow, director of finance and administration is her resigned effective June
30th, 1925. Obviously, we thank Amy for her service to the town and to able to hire a replacement. We've reached out to a couple of consultant firms who've used in the past as a bridge bridge between
town accountants will be no different. I have to talk with Amy. We're probably going to advertise the position as an accountant as opposed to a finance director. The VFW will be holding their annual US flag retirement ceremony on Fisherman's
Beach on Flag Day, which is June 14th at 5:00 PM. If you have a flag in need of retirement, please drop it off at the location or at 8 Pine Street BFW. You can bring it to the cemeter ceremony at 4:45. Know the cemetery. We have quite a
few flags we're looking to decommission. Ready, set, the town's DEI consultant will be at a future meeting with a pres presentation to discuss their We met with them, I believe, last week. So, think we've made significant progress. A big thank you to Girl Scout
Troop 64473. members Satie Anderson, Cordalia Delano, Sabrina Krueger, Abigail D Lee Dout, Cecilia Nicholson, and Chamilleia Ben Vander Lindon are stenciling messages on street
drains notifying people not to dump in the catch basins because as most of us know but not everybody knows the catch basins is different than the source. The storm drains on the street discharge into the ocean not into our source system. So, thank you to the Girl
Scouts, and I apologize if I mispronounced any of those names. The annual harbor festival is this Saturday from noon to 4. There are five entrance into the second annual Charter Fest. So, please join us. You have any questions, feel free to reach
out to Danielle and Jackie. I'm sure they'll be able to assist you. The farmers market opens on Sunday, 10 to 1 with over 50 vendors, I believe. Come on down to town hall to buy some great food, dog treats, or
crafty items. This is what year of uh market consecutive year in anything. It's a long time. Sorry to put you on this. Yeah, over 10. Thank you, Danielle and Jackie. Appreciate it. And the police department received a
$15,000 grant to the Bureau of Justice Assist Assistance. These funds will be used to conduct departmentwide training with an emphasis on communication and community engagement in July. That's the abbreviated report. Thank you. Thank you,
Gina. Um, does anybody have any questions to share? I just have one. If you have I don't know if you have any information on uh the board of health. Um any information
from the board of health on beach testing? Yes, those results were posted this afternoon. Okay. Um so I have uh the the chair of the board of health um sent an email that I just would like to
read to get some information out um about what the board of health has been doing on the matter of the beach testing at Fisherman's Beach. So I'll just read this. Um, this is from Gargi Cooper, the chair of the board of health. Based on resident feedback and select board member suggestion, the board of health
voted to do more data collection for Philips Eisman's and now fisherman's based on some of the pipes being fixed. We discussed this at our meeting back in February and made two plans. One to use potential Tekka machine or outsourcing the testing. We are happy that the town purchased the new Tekka machine and so
we were able to use some of the testing to provide residents some reassurance and data. We also wanted to ensure we were making sound decisions regarding the town program being held at on beaches that had concerned contamination. The plan was to collect the data for one month in May prior to the official beach season.
Unfortunately, due to equipment education and hiring of an intern, our timeline was pushed and we started last week. We worked with Gino to hire a board of health intern to be trained on the new equipment. The board of health is collaborating with the water sewer advisory committee to use the lab and to
use their lab and work on a way for us to obtain the results. The intern uh Swampscott Senior just started testing last week and there are some training issues and logistics. So, we don't have a full week of testing yet. The goal is to test five days a week for a month. I'm providing preliminary numbers. They
were attached to the email and they are now posted publicly um on the um town's website to inform the public uh I'm sorry just to inform the public that the test of the testing plan and the results as you can see so far there are no
exceedences in the swimming areas which is great news but there are some in the outfalls we will review the data once completed with our at a board of health meeting Jeff will be working on a way to post the preliminary data which he has and is now posted if data demonst demonstrates that our numbers are within the range. We do not have plans to
continue to test over the summer. Please note that our board of health director already does this on a weekly basis during beach season and the samples are processed by a state lab. Please note an exceedence of over 104 which is not uh please note any exceedence over 104 is not safe for swimming. We welcome all
residents to join our June 18th meeting for further questions or concerns so that the whole board can listen and discuss next steps. That's from the board of health. I'm glad you read that, Katie, because um I think it's really unfortunate uh with the amount of time and effort that
people put in on the committees uh whether it's the board of health or water and sewer or any committee that um as soon as something doesn't happen immediately the way someone wants it to happen, it's seems to be a conspiracy.
Um and um people are trying this is like they have their jobs, they have their lives, and they're doing this on top of it. And if you want to help, that's great. But um we're all trying to move I think in a very similar direction. And
um when um people are kind of called out for hiding things or not sharing information, um maybe that happens eventually. Um, I'm not saying it never does, but um I I just I just wish people would kind of reach out directly um
instead of kind of blasting people on social media. Um it just doesn't really help the tone of the town for that to be the the the go-to way to try to get things done. I just want to echo Doug's comments. Thank you uh for for saying that. Um
couple questions about to to Gino on his town administrator's report. Yes. Uh to talk about the RFP for the Clark school. Is that something that the school will will be doing or is that something the town will be doing? And because that the property is currently under the control of the of the schools. That's right. So
I had a quick meeting with M Casper to talk about potentially putting out an RFP for that building, but he wants to work with the town to make sure we're all on board with what's going to go on there. Got it. Okay. And then uh followup question was, you know, we were driving around town going to a baseball
game. We had baseball practice uh or games just about every day. Um and my sons were in the car and we were, you know, going through, you know, going across Monument A and they noticed that the Pride uh crosswalks had sort of been faded. Yep. And we were curious, you
know, since June is Pride Month, if those were to be repainted uh this month. That is a great question. I've had a resident that has volunteered to paint nine of the crosswalks in town with the pride colors. So, how many crosswalks do we
have that were painted previously? I think nine. Okay. Well, maybe not. Maybe another because I think a couple of these additional ones were going to be part of the high school, but the resident reached out to the high school or the school system because a couple of them going to go one of them here, two at the new elementary school and two at
the middle school. So, is that something that's gonna that's happening eminently? Yeah, I was actually going to reach out to make sure I have this support. I know it's my decision, but I wanted to make sure that everybody was on board and if it is, I make the phone call tomorrow and the resident is someone's volunteered to Yeah. basically provide
the support to do that. Yep. To pay to paint I can get the deal for those nine and he wants the town to paint pay for one so they have skin in the game. Okay. So, does a painting company come in and paint that? That's what it Yes. Yeah. But we reached out to
K5 and they gave us a price of just south of $8,000 to paint the nine crosswalks. Okay. Well, just let it for the let the record show, I'm fully in support of uh of painting those crosswalks uh and supporting Pride in
June and all year round. Okay. So, to be clear, we are would be one ninth of that bill would be the town's responsibility. One10enth one tenth of the bill. You'll pay nine. We'll pay for the 10th. I just want to be clear to everybody
considering the budget conversations that we are not going to spend $8,000 on that, but we will support absolutely $800. And I I would have supported 8,000, but here we are and we don't have to. So, thank you to the resident. Um,
agreed. Okay. I have a question on the clerk because it says here water tower cell site and then it says wind. You're sending on RFPs. What does that actually I don't know. I'd have to check with Matt. We haven't We're not going to send out an RFP yet. We're going to work to
see if we can construct an RFP to send it out, but I think if it's But my concern is if you're sending out are you sending out an RFP? I mean, if is there an RFP going out there? Something that we don't even know. Nope, it's not. We talked about potentially putting out an
RFP because as a school, I don't want to speak for the school, but they feel like their resources being drained to heat and take care of a building that's not being occupied. So, if they could get some revenue to offset that would be a win-win for everybody. So, that's what we're considering, but I'm sure I'll be
reaching back out to this board here when we come up with a plan to see if it's feasible. And I have one question on the police hiring. Yes. Um, I just want to I'd just like to please send out to the select board what
the ETAs are looking like. I mean, this just seems like it takes forever. It does. It is a long process. I spoke to the chief yesterday and he says there is a procedure that they absolutely need to follow with background checks and to
make sure they're hiring somebody that doesn't have any issues that would be hiring. I get that. But we've had conversations before here at the select board when we actually identified the real the timeline on the process. Y on how long it should take and I I just
like to know if we're in compliance with that timeline, if we're getting everything done to, as I said, I spoke to the chief yesterday and he says he's following everything to a tea and the process is moving forward. Yep. They've had two war boards. I spoke
with them earlier today. They have five potential candidates right now. So, they have to vet those before we can present them to me and then I would make the offer. And so, what is the ETA looking like for somebody being presented to you?
Potentially within the next two to three weeks on a lateral, two to three weeks for a lateral. Yes. And the reason I asked the same question because when he applied, he had some of his references were references from a couple years ago. So, we wanted to make
sure those references were up to date. Great. Thank you. You're welcome. Hi. I have a couple questions. Sure. Um, first of all, congratulations and thank you for all the work you've been doing in your reappoint. Um, I know you've done a lot. You've been doing two jobs and I
appreciate it. Um, my first question is what is the cadence or have we established one for beach testing for the summer? Do we have any idea how frequently what beaches we're testing? Have we worked on that, talked about it?
I know committees, boards are kind of operating independently and talking about it, but I want to get an understanding of where we are for the we're already in June. So, I want to know exactly. So, is uh Katie, we are testing well the board of health, I don't want to take credit for that, is
testing the three beaches. They're going to do it for 30 days. They're going to present that information to a professor at Nor Eastern to see where we stand with those. And if the results are positive, there'd be no need to. But are they testing it on a daily basis, weekly basis? Right now we're doing it five
days a week. Five days a week. Okay. For the next month. For the next month. And then I believe Jeff does it or the board of health does it one day a week or two days a week. I don't know exactly. Okay. Will one set of data for under the descent consent decree? That's the That's what Jeff does. And then the
board of health was additional. That's what the state related to the state. Sorry. But he's required to do that and he will continue to do that. The additional 30 days of five days a week testing was put forward by the board of health as a plan to determine if the
testing was required all summer or if we had 30 days of clean testing where we should be focusing our resources so that they had some data points to go on. Right. So that 30 days will be before any of the rec programs start. It'll be paddle board, right? No. Well, the 30
days started this week, so they got a late jump on it. Yep. Okay. So, are we thinking like how that's going to affect any of the programs that we run? Yep. As I talked to Danielle today, I think we're better off right now just keeping the paddle board program at Eisman's. Okay. Until proven otherwise. Okay.
Great. Further question. We're going to continue testing Kings Beach for the next three months every day as part of the UV pilot program. And if we can get the volunteers, similar to last year, we were testing three or four days a week with volunteers,
fisherman's. And right, because we probably could get more college students like the one that we that you did get, right? There might be others that are off for the summer or whatever that would be interested. Yeah, we had three of them last year. They were phenomenal. Great. But they have to really be committed. Yeah. Yeah. So, we'll have
those results. We'll also have Kings Beach up on the dashboard, the same dashboard we had last year. Or how will that it might be a little glitch with getting it up on the dashboard there for the Kings Beach stuff, but we are working on it. Uh we did accessible for residents to see that one and see each
day. We had a plan, but we lost another volunteer for the water at 3:00 today. I heard that too. Okay. the Hawthorne Reuse Committee. Where are we? Like what point are we at? And I know that there are some sketches or
drawings up on our website. Yeah, I think there's over a dozen. The chair, if you don't mind, the chair is has requested to come to the next meeting to give a short presentation. Great. So, there'll be an update on that. Great. And then my last question is the building department, the building
commissioner. Yes. Did he actually And were we able to close the loop if not? He started two weeks ago. He's been in every morning at 7 o'clock. Awesome. Can attest to that? Doing a great job. He has some numbers that he's going to present to me for the next meeting on how much revenue he's already brought in
right now and things are progressing real nicely there. The agreement has not been signed. Okay. It's been drafted. We both have the same. I'm very comfortable it's going to be signed moving forward. They just had a little They have a new interim town administrator there as well. Right. So maybe at our next
meeting you'll have an update on that to let us know. I'll have a signed agreement for sure. Great. Thank you. Who's there? Alice Need. Yep. She's their finance director. It's just been appointed uh interim town administrator.
Okay. Is that it for the TA report? I uh I don't want to belabor this. This is a question that could go on a long time, but Um, there's a lot of equipment for the UV pilot. I don't think you mentioned that. I missed it. No. Yeah. Um, do you want to try to give the
briefest update for people? We can. Yep. So, the UV pilot home, which you all seen at the intersection of Humphrey and Eastern A. It was supposed to go online on Monday. It was unable to go online because the suction pumps sucked in a lot of seaweed. Most people that have been
driving down the beach in the last couple of weeks have seen the excessive amount of seaweed on the beach. It's It's migrated back out. But in the interim, the pumps were taking a lot of seaweed, clogged the pumps. So, we had to shut the system down, remove the seaweed, and I hope to fire it up again
tomorrow. And there's a ribbon coming. Do you do is your staff have to do that work or is there a crew that does that? Yeah, there's a crew that does it. There Sunb Belt we rented the pumps from, but it once it gets set set up and running, it's going to be between Lynn and Swams
got to monitor it daily. And there's a cadence you guys have already worked out for monitoring. And then this isn't really a question for you, but I just think it should be noted just kind of where things are at to give everyone an update on the TA search.
Um, right. So, uh, you know, search firm was hired, job is posted, I believe, at this point. Um, yesterday. What's that? Yesterday. A couple glitches there, too. Um uh and hopefully uh if people are
being reached out to already and uh by the end of this month we may have uh candidates and that we would start to kind of interview them and talk with them next month. Is that right Katie? The select board next month. Yes. Yes. I think uh how I understand the
timing is the end of July is when we would start interviewing them. Next month. Next month. Did I say this one? I think you did. I thought they would be Did I say this one? Okay. Run the tape. Run the tape. I don't know. Either we agree with you or the answer is yes. By
the end of July is what I should have a group of candidates available for interview. Um and my understanding is we will interview them in executive session and then there will be public interviews also. So, and they will also be back. I don't
know if it's the next agenda or the next agenda. The very next agenda. Um they'll be back here to ask for another extension and um we can discuss any questions we have with them that we've asked them to come.
So great that concludes report. Everybody's good. Good. Okay. Uh I don't see our eagle scout here. Okay. So, public comment, uh, public comment is available. Just a
reminder, we speak, you speak for three minutes. Okay. Three minutes. Um, please state your name, your address. Um, and uh, we do not answer to public comment. So, any commentary you have, we'll take note
and we won't engage back, but it's not because we don't want it. So, go ahead. Good evening. Katie Arrington, 40 Roy Street, member of the finance committee, speaking as a resident. I was happy to hear that the Hawthorne Reuse Committee
is meeting and currently processing uh in process of reviewing four plans to determine what's best for the space and eventually apparently next meeting we'll be presenting to the greater public. Uh, with this process in motion, I would request that at your next meeting, you
consider adding an agenda item to be included in an update of St. John's parking lot and any potential supposed agreements. Thank you. Hello, I am Peter Val,
105 Stanley Road, Swampscot. Um, the topic is tax takings. There are a number of tax
takings in Swampscott. What is the procedure for actually acquiring unpaid tax? And how many years have to go by
before a judgment is filed? That's all. Thank you. Uh any additional comment? Hi Rachel Terodash uh 71 Middle Sex AB. I have two things. The first is for anyone that doesn't have kids at the elementary school, the field day they
ran yesterday was an absolutely phenomenal success. The kids had a great time. It was organized. It was incredibly well-run and so every person involved in that deserves like a huge round of applause because especially for
one giant school the first year it was just unbelievable. Um so thank you to everybody who was involved in that. Um and if you weren't if you know someone tell them thank you. Um the other thing I want to talk about is the buses. Um I have heard so I'm coming to talk to you
because I spoke at the school committee meeting but they hold their public comment at the end of their meeting. So um at their last meeting if you did not have the stamina to last the three and a half hours of the meeting to get to public comment um I have heard from parents who have children who uh are
outside of that 2-m radius who are still getting the bus. Parents who have children that have not been notified but are less than two miles from the school that maybe still have the bus. parents of course of children who um have been notified that they won't have the bus. I think it's around 45 students right now.
Um I can't get really a direct answer on that, but also from neighbors of the new school that they would all participate in helping to fund a bus so that our children can be bus to school and not walk across Paradise Road. So, um thank you. I know some of you have worked with
me on this and I thank you, but um please help us continue this so we don't lose the momentum on it. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, Diane, you choose. Hello. There you go. We can hear you. Go ahead. You can start. Andrea. Okay. All right. Thank
you. Um, I just wanted to first of all, if you wouldn't mind stating your name and your address. Yes. Sorry. Andrea, precinct 3 15 Charity Road. I just wanted to say I very much appreciate um a lot of folks jumping into action in
the last 24 hours in order to make you know the the information that the board of health has been collecting more publicly available. Um I will own that I am the was the main sort of criticism for um that situation. I absolutely
respect that there is a lot of volunteer work that happens in this community and um and that you know it's something that um a lot of people pour their heart and soul into and I also
um just want everyone who is using the beach to be fully informed at the same level. I really believe that like whether you're a town employee or a board member or just a regular citizen taking your kid to the beach that
everybody deserves full access to all this information the moment it comes out. So I appreciate everybody's um demonstrated commitment to that. Thank you. Thank you. D, would you like to go to AJ?
Uh, hi there, Alex 155 road. Um, I actually just wanted to um a uh make a public comment of objection to board member Doug Thompson's comments about um
the uh so-called social media uh quote unquote conspiracy uh conversations that were happening. Um I observe those conversations. Um I understand that uh social media can seem heated at times but at the end of the day these were public comments being made by members of
the town taxpaying members of the town who rightfully had questions about um data um information that our uh our town funds are paying to to get um and that there were open questions about where
that data was living and whether or not we could achieve we could receive it. Um I think there has been some progress made in the last year or so in the tenor of uh town government towards um feedback from the community. And I would
urge all members of the select board to remember um that when members of the town have opinions and have feelings about how our town is run and how our town is managed that is not uh a personal attack on folks who are in the
town and running things in the town. It is a matter of safety for us. It is a matter of care and a comp and passion for the town that we live in. So just a gentle reminder, we're all on the same side. I appreciate the work all the volunteers do across all the committees
and all the boards. Thank you. Thank you, Diane. Uh we have one more public comment. Mr. Dementoto, if you could allow his mic. Go ahead. You should be able to unmute. Thank you. I'm Bill Dementoto.
Paradise Road. Two issues. The first is the number of vacancies on the sewer advisory uh committee. And I don't see that on your list of appointments tonight. I would hope you
uh would find time while you're complaining about conspiracies to appoint a couple of new members so they can join in the efforts to uh address the King's Beach and Fisherman's Beach
situation. Any uh there's been one vacancy for a month now and I don't know why it's not getting filled. Thank you for the time. Thank you, Mr. Dementoto. All right, seeing no other
hands or inside uh here or online, we will move on to the joint meeting with IRA. Um this is a joint meeting and public hearing. So, we will have to have you
guys call your meeting to order. Open the public hearing. Oh, sorry. So, we I think you guys since it's a joint meeting, you should call your meeting to order and then we'll open the public. Let's make a motion to open. Will they
have to open their meeting first? Doesn't matter. I said it doesn't matter. You just did. Okay, great. Um, so I'll take a motion to open public hearing. Second. Thank
you. Um, All in favor? Oh, sorry. All in favor. Thanks, guys. Only the second meeting, so appreciate it. Um, okay, you guys. Go right ahead. Uh, hello. Good evening. Uh, my name is, uh, Joe
Marurion. I am chair of the, uh, Earth Removal Advisory Committee. Um, I'm here with members John Picarello and Tony Vanderwitz. I don't think any of our other members are here. Um and this is an annual event where we come before the
select board to recommend a permit uh that would allow wholesome formally aggregate to operate for the u permit year beginning July 1st 2025 and ending June 30th
2026. Um I think you should have a a a brief memo uh which summarizes some of the changes. Every year we look at the permit with the idea of streamlining it in llining it, clar uh clarifying
languages, making things make sense and we've continued to do that in in this permit recommendation. What we have not done is touched well let me say it this way this permit is substantially unchanged from
the permit that emerged from the settlement agreement last year. uh particularly uh section 10 where the blasting parameters and restrictions are are indicated and and are the primary protections for the residents in the area. Um we've gone through the year
with uh with wholesome and and um they conducted this past year and 24 28 blasts. They uh had 32 blasts the year before. They have eight blasts so far this year. Chris Dukus, legal counsel is here uh from wholesome and he can
introduce uh his his the other person with us. Steve Steve Landry, I wasn't didn't recognize you. Sorry. And um and it's um I know there will be questions about have we received
complaints. Uh very few and uh we do they usually come to John or to Marzy Galaska and the um anybody who complains is immediately uh gets a response and uh
they are uh told how they might file a complaint and we encourage them to do that. Um this past year we also um conducted a public meeting which is required by the permit in this room uh with um where people uh can question the
wholesome nequari operation. Very few people attended this year hopefully more next year. We sent out pre-blast surveys or wholesome did uh at our request to about 85 of the abuing residents uh
indicating to them that they have the opportunity to have their house surveyed by camera inside and out. Uh we've encouraged them because if they do have a blast complaint, it's imperative that they have some evidence that their house was in better condition before than
after. And um I don't know what the numbers are in terms of how many requests came. This is not the first time that they've gotten these letters. So it might be just people who have uh since moved into the neighborhood. Um these surveys are blast surveys are only
required to uh be extended to people within 250 ft of the boundary or where the blast is, I think. And we go beyond that. uh and and if somebody even beyond where we are uh makes the request, we're we're certainly going to pass it along.
So, uh that being said, if you I can I can summarize the changes that we've suggested and and get comments, but first of all, we changed the dates of course to reflect the new year. Uh there were a number of sections in the permit
where it was um specified that documentation relative to that particular provision uh be posted on the town website. Uh we talked a lot about that and and decided that having that information available for public viewing
in the office of community and economic development would probably carry the day that we didn't have to or it shouldn't be necessary to post everything that comes in uh from from Wholesome. Uh that was one thing. Uh there was a there was
a provision that said every year wholesome had to had to recommend improvements at the entrance way to control dust. Um we changed that to that they would have to every year monitor
and assess the the dust control measures and if changes were warranted then those changes would take place. There's only so much that one that they can do and they do. There was a provision um about this was about um articulate air
monitoring and a requirement that the consultant who is hired it's paid by cons by wholesome but is essentially under contract with the town um that they assess wind direction every year
and every year they they develop a new wind rose. I don't think it's been done. And what we've said is if their consultant comes in and and assesses wind direction and there is
a change then that change ought to be noted and uh we should be informed. Um I don't see wind that change very often. Uh heavy metals testing takes place every five years. The last uh last report uh was in
2019. There should have been one uh there will be one I think very soon and then the next one is uh due for 2029. Uh the original the original provision uh talked about the protocols and the frequency of these tests being
established by the board of health. Uh that's really not taken place. So uh what we've uh talked about is that the protocols would be established by by wholesome and its consultant and the board of health would be informed of those and would have opportunity to
comment on on those provisions and those protocols. Um us uh seismograph monitoring. Um we get blast reports very shortly after every blast. It goes to the fire department where um uh Bob Faulner is now our
representative from the fire department. Receives them and and John Picarella also receives uh those blast reports. So and they are they are reviewed every time a blast takes place. And so we took out the requirement that weekly blast reports are necessary because we're
getting them routinely anyways. Um the closure plan requirements uh closure is a funny thing. The way the wording said it almost sounded like uh closure had to be reviewed every five years. In fact, the scope of what a
closure plan would be needs to be reviewed every five years. And and so we wanted to make that clear. and and again that specified the 2029. I guess I misspoke earlier when I talked about the heavy metals test that day with the closure plan. That's in 2029.
Um on expiration and renewal, there is language that says that wholesome must be in substantial compliance with this permit in order to receive approval of a new permit. Um we define substantial uh compliance as determined by IRA. So it's
it's up to us to determine whether they are in compliance or not. And the last one is was just um u we just added noise test to the air quality test in section 29E which again related to expiration and renewals. Uh
it wasn't in there so we thought we should include it in there. And uh that's it for the suggested changes for this for this permit. Um happy to take any questions. Anybody have want to start? David, go
ahead. Yeah, Joe, thank you for all of your work and all the work of the uh of the Iraq. So, thanks. Few questions uh just about the heavy metals testing. You said it would be done soon. Is there any I'm sorry, speak a little louder. You
you had talked about heavy metal testing and about how it would be done uh soon. any any can you can you specify and and and give us any greater clarity as to when that Well, the the the heavy metals testing was originally intended to to occur every year and it's not the type
of uh testing that that really we we talked about it a lot um and we decided that every five years would be enough. the last test in 2019, there was a an inquiry we got from a um not a resident but a person looking to move into the
neighborhood and they had read the report and there was a reference to arsenic levels being a little bit high and they were concerned about that. So that's what made us look at the tests again. Um Tony reviewed that that report. uh we've all read it as well and the the reference to the arsenic was was
there but it wasn't in the context of being a threat to to human health. So um and Tony passed that along to the to the resident. Um I would defer to Chris I for I forgotten exactly. We're having a heavy metals test this year. This year.
Okay. And that report will be available uh and and we can make that a available to the the select board uh routinely as well. All of our tests. Thanks. Just in one other question. You had talked about substantial compliance as defined by Iraq. Was there any was there any issue
with with blasting within the uh the confines of the of the previously approved permit uh in the last fiscal year? Um John reviews the blast per um blast results. Um yeah, the the they are well within the parameters of the permit
um for this year and and I I don't think there was anything discrepancy last year as well. I get the data probably within 24 hours of a blast and I review it and I log it into a chart and all the data is within
the parameters of the permit. Okay. Thank Thank you. Yeah. And I would also say John does um monitor the social media when people when there is a lot of conversation about blasts and and the intensity of blast and so he monitors
that to hear what people's taking and and typically what will happen is we'll when we get a complaint like that we'll immediately look at the the results of the blast and very often they're within parameters. Uh there are external features that that affect blast impacts.
A barometric pressure, cloud cover, wind, what direction the blast is going in, where in the quarry it is. So there's there's there's other factors other than in variables other than the parameters and the restrictions that we set. I periodically get uh phone calls from
residents that have a question and I give them as much information as I can to include the data from the previous blast that they're concerned about. So, I mean, we re they reach out to us uh whenever they have a question and or
concern. Um, we direct them to either the fire department or whomever they need to go to to get comfortable with the results. I have a couple questions. Um, so I have a few questions, so you could just indulge me here. So, we're saying that
there were no claims this year whatsoever. Well, when you say claims, uh when when we hear the word claim, we're thinking written filed claim with the fire department, right? I would think not not verbal or oral complaints
and and I don't think there have been any. Um no, uh we um the prior fire department representative to has retired. uh James Pots and Robert Faulner has now taken his place and he's trying to get
everything aligned to understand what what the job actually means. Um I don't think he's actually looked at prior years to see if and when any other complaints have come in. Um I don't believe he's received any so far this
year. Okay. Okay, because the the the permit last year's permit required all claims be c be also copied to the select board. So, we never received the claim. So, I just want to make sure there has been no claim. I'd also point out about claims. Uh the claims have to be filed
with the fire department which does a review, right? But then it it it goes to the insurance companies and the the um two parties are the resident and the insurance company. The town's not involved in it at all.
So it's the involvement of the town is if there is a claim that's being filed with the fire department, the select board is supposed to be getting a copy of it. We'll make sure that happens. Okay. It's just in the permit. Yeah. So, um, the other question that I
have is, let me just see here on the testing. It it says here in the permit that it's the heavy metals is once a year, but you're saying that we Well, we're we and I'll let I'll let
Chris address that. We did and say that we've we decide one that every year is probably a bit of overkill. Um we do we do um air monitoring every year. Uh we do
noise testing every year. So the the heavy metals is is sort of in addition to and and as I say I'd let Chris address that. Uh Tony can add something just you know it was brought up that perhaps the
testing doesn't have to be every year but for this permit we definitely wanted it done and I think it's going to be done as my understanding in the summer. So we'll get some results we can look at and determine in the next permit whether
there needs to be a change in the schedule. So for now they have to do it under this permit. I stand corrected. Thank you. And um I personally would like to see the results of those tests posted on the website so that people can actually find
them on the website and not have to go to town hall and and to look for things. Yeah, we can do that. I I think posting all of the test results happens routinely. Okay. And and Marzy, does that sound right? Yeah. So So test
results do get onto the website. We're talking about the other stuff, all the filings and yeah, just just a lot of paper. Okay. And then there was one section in here where there was going to be uh notification going to the board of
health. And I just think that any type of notifications or something that's important should also come through the select board only because we get a little bit more visibility for people or announcements, but I can't. Yeah. um notifications of notifications of any
any sort do you have in mind? I think it was that's I think it's the heavy metal testing. The heavy metal testing I have um the only um notifications do occur uh routinely when they're going when blasts occur. There's a okay as I recall there's a 48 hour notice and then a
two-hour notice then a one hour notice that goes to an email list. can certainly add the select board to that. All right, that'll be great. Um, and then my the last thing I um I did attend that um public hearing
which I really appreciate it. I thought it was a very informative and I thought there was a good amount of people here and you know not compared to the amount of people that get a notice but hopefully it'll catch on. And I I have to tell you that um you know through the lawsuit and everything, we had a lot of
meetings and we got to know each other and everything was fine. But when I attended that meeting, I was really taken back by what the public was saying, what the neighbors were saying. And I walked away understanding that they just felt like it doesn't matter if
I complain, nothing happens. Nothing happens. And that is very concerning, very concerning to me because you're running a business. You're making I hope a profit and then I'm listening to residents say my house there's a there's
a blast. I get a crack in my wall and nothing gets done. And there was a a sense of hopelessness from many many people. I think it's fair to say for many of the people there. So, I really would like to find a way how do we resolve that?
Because if people feel that their homes are being damaged and that they're having to fight with an insurance company and your company is feeling like, hey, it's, you know, we turn it over to the insurance company, it's not us anymore. I feel like there's a
there's an issue there and that the residents aren't really being taken care of. So, well, it's it's it's up to the residents to file a complaint. I mean, we can't anticipate who's got damage or who doesn't. They really have to take the initiative and we've done um try to
inform them as to what the process is and we will continue to do that. We, as I say, that that list of 85 abutters, we can send out a notice to them to remind them before the season starts. We can do that, but it's it's really their initiative,
right? I'm just wondering if it's really on on us as a community. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. I'm just wondering if it's more of us as a community. We need to do a better job of educating people. I David, you live in the neighborhood. You might have a better idea. I just after leaving that
meeting, I just thought something something's a miss here. Yeah. I mean, I I think it's just continue continuing to remind folks what the process, what the procedures are. Um certainly the last surveys certainly um
you know when Iraq meetings are are are happening uh and when the permit uh renewal is happening and I think having those u those open dialogues and those discussions are are certainly helpful uh and informative to the public as a whole. We'll talk about that and we will
come up with something. How many pe is it how many people get uh how many people do get a pre-blast survey? Do we know off the top of our head? He sent out notices to or Pson did to about I think it was 85 residents. 85 people and maybe 90. Do we know how many answered
that? Okay. Wasn't many. All right. Maybe we can. And it might be because they had the surveys done previously, too. This is not the first time. Okay. Thank you.
Okay. Um the only comment I wanted to make I was glad uh the closure planning it wasn't really comment to this per permit but more just looking into the future what that looks like and how we solidify a plan yeah going
forward I think it's really important what I'll say about this when we built this school uh we were in negotiations with aggregate at the time to um to to get the easement for the soccer field and of course the question was asked what's the lifespan on this on this
quarry? This was 22 23 years ago and um we were told 50 years. More recent conversations this year, what's the lifespan on this quarry? Yeah, about 50 years. So, we're we're pretty far away
and and the it really the closure plan is really not relevant until we get around 10 years. That's when the planning really needs to start before that is just, you know, just continuing to remind them that got to be thinking
about this. There's not much of the closure plan is how you going to fill this hole, what are you going to fill it with? Um, and how you going to get the water out and and technology can change, materials can change. So, getting fine detail on that
just didn't seem to make a lot of sense to us. Yeah, I think I I didn't realize 50 years was the new 50 years. So to your point fair, I guess how do we accur that's accurate? I guess it's for Iraq to press wholesome on what's going
on. Yeah, because I don't want it to be 50 years and then find out it's actually 15 years and we don't have a plan in place. I will say back back 20 years ago, the estimate was that the that the uh quarry land could support 300 single family houses. Yeah. give you something to think about.
I have one more question, Katie. Um, how does uh Foster's Dam play into the Corey? That's John. the the water that accumulates in the quarry is at the lowest point and the
quarry pumps that water into a holding pond adjacent to Fosters's pond so that if there's any sediment uh dust or whatever it has a chance to settle there's a wear at the end of that holding pond that controls the height
level of that water in the holding pond and then that water goes through and filters right through Fosters's Pond to Windsor A where there's an outfall pipe that leads takes the water elevation, you know, when it's really high, takes
the water at Windsor Avenue and heads it off into a conservation area behind the houses on Windsor A. It eventually goes through the land or the woods rather and ends up in on Mason Road and then down
to Eastern Avenue right out to Stacy's Brook. Lindside H Stacy's Brook on the Lind side. You know that. Thank you for being precise. Clarification. Now, in prior years when they were actually monitoring
that holding pond for clarity and chemicals, um I actually recorded them in in from from month to month through a year. They could pump as much as 120 million gallons in a year through
Pond. Usually 20 to 30 million gallons a month. That's snow accumulation, rain, what have you. I they they have stopped testing the water leaving the holding pond um because nothing really changed or was
substantial to halt the operation. So they stopped doing it. They don't they don't do the monthly reports anymore. So I don't know how many gallons are pumping now. Okay. Thank you. Okay. or anything close the public hearing. Um we have to close the public
hearing. So we don't we don't approve these or anything changes permit. Well, generally what we have is a first reading and then and then take it up again. I don't Yeah, we'd have to take it up at
the next meeting for a vote because the um agenda doesn't say that we will be voting. Oh yeah, but normally it would say underneath discussion and possible vote. Okay. Um, so I think if those are all of the questions related to the public
hearing, take a motion to close the public hearing. Oh, sorry. Absolutely. Would you would you mind taking um a microphone from Iraq so that people at home could hear you as well? Thank you.
Hi. I think as you all know my name is Chris Tukus and I represent the whole team and I have been representing the quarry for since the earth removal bylaw came
into existence in 1994. So I've represented the quarry for about 31 years and I think it to a certain extent I think uh uh Mary I can address an issue that I think
uh I think make you feel better. Um what has happened over the 31 years by having this earth and world bylaw and by having an Iraq and having an annual permit is that things have changed dramatically as
to how this company or the series of companies have operated this this facility uh over this 30 of the 31 years that I've been involved. Um, it is, and I think Gino probably knows from from
having dealt with them uh a long time, this is not the same company that that Lynn Sand and Stone was. This is not not the same company that that uh Bon was. the the this is a multinational
corporation um is very sensitive to the environment and we uh also recognize the fact that this is clearly not an ideal place to have a
quarry. Um it might have been when it started but that was years ago around 1908 when there weren't very many people uh in Swampscott living anywhere near the quarry and in Salem as well. Uh the
quarry is basically half in Swampscott and half in Salem. um the the the changes that have evolved and the monitoring that that's been uh instituted by the Iraq and the border
selectment over the years um is has has created situations that have benefited the the citizenry of the town dramatically. Uh we we can if you ever look saw what it was like with dust in
the past and noise in the past and vibrate blasting in the past. I mean there there were incidents of fly rock coming out of the court that'll never happen as long as this company I can guarantee as long as this company is is operating the court because of the way
they operate. Um, you should be aware of the fact that they just invested about $32 million in new equipment. Uh, and the the primary reason for doing that, of course, is production, but at the
same time, you've got is the most up-to-date uh dust suppression equipment, noise suppression equipment uh in there today. And one of the things that I think I've been but we've been trying to get this board to take a
quarry tour so you can see what's goes on know what was a when John talks to you about the wear know where the wear is know about the holding pond know these things I really would like you guys to get together uh we would love to
give you a tour show you all this equipment and I'm going to turn it over uh to uh Steve Landry who the operations manager at quarry to tell you a little bit about what they what they have done in the last year and a half with upgrading equipment and what it means to
the town and to everyone's benefit. Go ahead. Thank you. Um so you guys might have never the last time you got to see me. So I just like to give a little context. I can talk a lot. I'll try to keep it short, but I started with Agate Industries before that it was Middle Sex
Materials. I started in Littleton 1999. I've been in this industry for over 25 years and back in those days with different companies it was tough um just safety safety environmental I think back then our approach was bring the lawyers in right instead of walking in with the
lawyers so um I started from the bottom up I was a welder the fabricator on nights and I had every role you can have in the company and in the stone side right so I got to see every aspect and I'm really proud of that so in my journey it's been really it's been fun and encouraging and I have a lot of
pride to work for a company where we are looking like really looking for s sustainability and trying to make impacts to the neighborhood and looking at environmental solutions that are good for everybody, right? Not just profitability. And for me, that's been I'm proud to work for a company like
that. Like there's opportunities to do other things and to work for a company that that really is not just a slogan of propaganda. It's it's to me it's it's fun. I call it fun. I love what I do. Now, fast forward, I was a south operations manager. um from 2007 till
2019 and I wasn't involved in Swamcot until 2023. So this new plant was just um coming online and to be commissioned. So I that's when I came into Swamcot. Now Swam's new plant that so Holles is the largest construction materials company in the world, right? So it's
massive and our biggest thing is cement. So you know they do things if you know it's fun. So there's if you can prove your project you can you can do good things and they did and this was the biggest capex project in the United States in 2023 2024 $32 million plant
that's a lot most plants are around $1 million this thing is state-of-the-art I call some parts of it are exotic to give people reference because it's hard to say what is you know it's like a countage it's not the Camry right so this is the big this is a big deal this is a big investment and a lot of that is
is for obviously efficiency but some of it is like Everything's automated. The plant's automated. The person who runs it. It makes his life a little easier. He doesn't have to focus on switches, right? It's a computer or watching the computer and he can turn things on with the click of a button. Dust control is all state-of-the-art. Has different
zones. We can apply water different spots just by a click of a mouse. So, we can optimize the dust control. Um, and it just goes on from there. So, it's a really big deal. I'm proud I got to be part of it. And since I've been there, like the fencing you see in here, the fences must be, you know, constantly
maintained. The fences, so it's one thing to have a maintained fence, another thing to have it look really nice. So we did along Danas Road, that's all brand new fencing, fencing out back. I mean, that was a lot. I kind of snuck that one in, but you know, I'm really proud of the sites that I work at, and I want people to come in and see what we
do. Like, we're really proud of what we do. And it's clean. it's, you know, it's you would come in there without even knowing what it is, you would probably be impressed because it's probably not what you think. So that's why it's nice to bring people in and give them context. And um, you know, we just invested in some paving. The quarry pump
was a quarter of a million dollar project to get the right quarry pump so we can maintain the water with a drive so we can adjust the rate very, you know, we can dial it right in so we're not gushing water out into Fosters Pond per say, right? We can we can adjust that, dial it in and just always float water very, you know, at a constant
rate. Um, that was a big deal. That's operational. Uh, the garages are looking a little old. I'm involved in that now, looking at engineering so we can make sure we can put new roofs on and make sure they're safe with the coating because they're old. But we're upgrading those garages. That's going to be probably a million dollars with the garage upgrades. So, we're really
investing in the site for the long the long term. And if I if I could, I'd say some of the things that you talked about like how do you know 50 years is 50 years? It's hard to say because with technology and like you know are we going to be like I don't depends on what
is sales is a big deal right if the sales fluctuate that changes and also technology like do we ever go underground and maybe there's a demand for stone in this region that that that's profitable and we work through that process so you just you just never know and uh but right now we're
confident that there is is enough stone to get us that to that point for sure and as far as the closure plans go go I would like to just speak about that real quick too. So, I've been part of this and I was part of the Ashlin closure plan and it was pretty it's it was it's it's different. So, we don't know what the needs are of this of the town. So,
it's hard like I was part of those conversations. We want to say now what's going to happen in 50 years. That's probably not a great thing. You know, maybe they need water, maybe, you know, so maybe it's a reservoir if that's possible or maybe it's a landfill or, you know, and then at the end is it is it housing or is it softball fields and
soccer fields. So, it's I like what you said like we should have our eye on it and we want to partner up with the town and make sure that comes out great. Um because we would be proud of the whatever happens at the end. We want to be proud of that too for sure. And um so that's the deal. You know, we're really investing and just letting you know
we're going to keep doing it. Thank you very much. Appreciate that. One of the things also understand the company owns about 200 acres. The itself is about So there's 40 other acres that they own
in that area that will someday be developed. We can't develop now because we want to maintain above above our zone. Uh and and we we do that. Um so again I would I would ask that uh you
recognize the fact that the company has made this kind of an investment and if they've made this kind of investment they're not 15 years away from closing the quarry. it's going to be around for a long long time. And uh they they continue to want to uh be a good
neighbor. And when we talk about testing that we do, understand that every year that we do these tests, they're expensive and it goes it it affects the bottom line. And that's why when we we look at some of these things and say, "Okay, we will do this testing." But,
you know, we can't keep doing all of these tests all of the time, year after year after year, because they're not going to show anything. I mean, through my 30 years of representing the company, I've got a box. It's just full of different tests for dust and and heavy
metals and noise and the things don't change. One of the things we talked about was a wind road. We did do a windro study back 2010 to 2012. It's been done. So there isn't any test that hasn't been done basically over the years that the Iraq has requested from
us that we've ever refused to do. It's just how many of of them are responsible because when you get the results and they they show that we're in compliance just doesn't make any sense for us to do 15 tests every year that they're going
to show the same things. So again, please uh let's get a let's get a tour. Okay. We would be proud to show you. We're looking forward to it. And we're already, you know, just don't need a lot of notice. It looks great every day. I
was just there. Stopped in and talk to Rean who's the plant manager. So yeah, we'd love to pull something off, get a bus, bring you guys in there. It would be awesome. We are doing water monitoring quarterly, right? So just know. So, we are monitoring our water as
well for a TSS and uh so we are doing that for sure. You know, if you want to put a float in the Fourth of July parade, we'll get you Janelle Cameron's number, too. Yeah, she'll let you put a float in. So, you guys give cookies out if we do that. I guess her journey does.
No, but I would be interested in anything that you guys honestly for me if there's anything we can do to help with the town. It's hard to always get the information, but we'll be looking for opportunities to help with donations as well. So, we would we we'll call you to mad call you tomorrow for real.
Well, thank you. Thank you for all the information. Might I suggest if possible a community open house. So, like I know folks who've lived here their whole life and never like every five or six years I Yeah. who've never been to visit the quarry even though they drive by it every day. So that might be something we
put on our radar to um the last one we did was about five or six years ago. Oh, I'd say more than that. I think like years ago. It was really it was a really big success. I brought my kids there. It was it was a big deal. It's a it's it is a big deal to put on and it's a little
like we get to bring people in the that many people in the quarry with an MA site. You know, there's we have to make sure we do a lot of protocol, but it is it is a feelood moment for sure. Great. Okay. Okay. Great. Uh, you may. It is a public hearing, so
yes, you may. All right. Um, just state your name and address again. I'm Peter Val, 105 Stanley Road. Um, I'm I'm trying to understand this issue that we've been speaking about for the last 20 minutes.
Um the gentleman mentioned that 85 of butters are affected by the blasting. No, that's not what I said. No, I believe the clarification. Sorry. You Well, my point is if there's 85
abutters, it would appear that there's a zone or a precinct or a ward in Swampscott that is highly affected. All right. Of of those 85 abutters, how many have filed insurance
claims? None. None. None. That's right. It's my understanding that none. Last couple of years. In the last couple of years, there have been no insurance claims filed. So, it's a happy um community. It's a
happy area. Uh there's there's no there's no complaints from the abuters. Well, I believe that that's not that's not accurate either. I think there was a conversation had at a a public meeting held by um the folks who at the quarry and there was some feedback to say that
there can be some some improvements and some lessons. that the feedback it appears from the residents that from the blasting is that the blast all those blasts are in line with what the permit requires. So, uh,
then the encouragement is that all we've reached out, we will continue to reach out to them and in the past we've reached out to them to have preblast um reviews of their home to make sure that if post blast there's an issue and they have an insurance claim, they have something to sort of like a standard to
start from. And we will continue to um communicate with them about any issues that come from blasting. um our earth removal committee they are very diligent about um the community first and so I I have great confidence that they will
continue to do that work. Okay. We live in a perfect world. Thank you. If only Okay. Sure. Mr. Demenso, please. Thank you, Madam Chairman. I was under the impression this was a public hearing and I did have an anxiety attack and I
was going to accuse the psycho of being in a conspiracy to prevent me from speaking. Uh thanks thanks to Chris went on a lot about how wonderful u the sand and stone is right after he
told you how bad they were 30 years ago. It got this way through the hard work of people like Jean Barton and Johnella and Joe and the people around there now. It didn't just happen out of the kindness of Lyn and Stone because they wouldn't
give you the time a day. But now that that fl is over, I'd like to ask them to do something meaningful to the town. We've been trying to get them to build the sidewalk from the bridge to where it begins on
the Salem line. They were very quick years ago to help Mayor Bristol when she wanted to put that sidewalk in and did put that sidewalk in. Would it be nice if the people in Swans could walk all the way down
to that water? I know. But in any in any event, uh that's that's my two cents about what I'd like to see them do. They said they want to volunteer. They they spent $32 million on their plan. Spend some money
on with all that equipment they have and build the sidewalk so people can walk to the maso bridge. And one other thing which I think is more important, the committee has recommended that they have
the right of approval. Uh from what I get at I don't think the select for one minute should give up as the license the the who gets to renew. It should be the renew
the devil. So, uh, if Joearian can tell us that isn't what he meant about the Iraq committee approving the that they are in substantial compliance, I'd like to see
that be a recommendation and not a renewal of the permit. Thank you for all that time. Thank you, Mr. Demen. Um, I didn't catch what you were saying. Joe, Joe, would you like I should remind him that we're in a box. Where is repeat
it. Anyone that needs uh we we are by our name an advisory committee. We don't approve I mean we internally approve what we are going to recommend to the select board but we don't approve the permit. So uh I think what Mr. Domento was
talking about was the language added clarifying wholesome's substantial compliance and that the provision that was added was the compliance was as determined by Iraq as opposed to wholesome as opposed to wholesome or as opposed to the Well, I would say I
guess frankly it doesn't matter to me who who determines whether they are in compliance or not. You're going to ask us if they are in compliance with everything that permit requires them to submit. um if
you'd like us to report to you with the language that says uh if they're and we would report to you anyways if they are out of compliance we would say you really have to think about not approving this permit because they're not in compliance. Um and we I can help you too
with this because the language of the permit right now just doesn't define substantial compliance. It does it's not that you're taking any uh purview away from the select board. It it's not given to the select board in the permit. You're actually saying now substantial compliance as determined by IRA to give
it a definition. It looks like um but in the permit as it reads um wholesome must be in substantial compliance with this permit before a new permit or an extension or renewal of this permit will be granted. That is the sentence, right? But who determines and how is it determined what supply substantial
compliance is? Yeah. and and and because there was no definition to that seemed to make sense to put somebody in if you would prefer language that suggests that that Iraq would inform recommend the select board if whether or not they are
in compliance and we would normally under routine presentation here if they were not in compliance that would be part of our presentation correct but if you'd like it worded differently where the select board is more directly connected to substantial compliance um
def deter termination. Sure. Yeah. I have no I have no problem with the way you phrase it, Joe. It makes perfect sense to me. Same. Yeah. I don't have a real issue with the fology because you don't you don't have it in your purview to approve the permit.
That's in our purview and you're not changing the language to put it in your purview. You're just saying that the compliance piece is the piece that you are reviewing and bringing to us. Would you like us to strike the language that was added? No, I'm fine with it. Okay,
I'm fine with it. Unless Okay. Looks like a straw hole. I'd like to know about the sidewalk. Maybe that's response to the sidewalk comment. Yeah, I mean, obviously I can't make that decision, but yeah, I mean, if
we could have something more formally sent to us via email or something that I can pass through the company, I promise you I would do that and I would fight I'm going to fight for anything that we can do for the for our towns, the neighboring towns for sure. Thank you. And I think if we're going to make an ask, we should really think about that, of course. Very good. Depends on whose
land you're going to put in. Okay. So, having heard from all the parties now, including the public, uh I'll take a motion to close the public hearing. So, move. Second. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. Um and then, so
we will have to put this on the next agenda to vote on this. Um and um well Katie, should we have actually continued the public hearing to Can we reopen the public hearing? We just Yeah, we can reop they have to
post again public hearing. I think the one important thing here you have to understand permit has to be approved by the board of health as well. they have to have time to have a meeting to discuss it in July one is that far away.
So, we'd have to get it on the next one. The the board of health meets on June 18th. Um same night same night we meet. So, uh so long as we vote on this early, then it shouldn't be an issue. Okay. The issue with if we keep this open, we
would have to keep this open as a public hearing and not close and not close it because in order to repost it, it's complicated. So, is the will of the board to postpone the public hearing or is the will of the board to vote on it this evening? Continue. Sorry. Continue
or to vote on it this evening? I'm not comfortable voting on it this evening only because our protocol is to go to have one reading and then vote on it the second reading. Okay. Does any other any other board members have feelings?
I agree. I don't have any preference either way. I don't have any preference either way. Okay. So, uh I guess we can strike the motion to So, you need a motion to resend our last motion. Thank you. So,
move. Second. And then we I will take a motion to continue the public hearing till June 18th at 7 p.m. We'll say 6:45. Sorry. So, move second. Thank you. All in favor? All in favor? I I thank you. Okay.
for all of us the decision and the we want to take up the legal scope. Yes. Thank you very much for joining us. Pleasure. Okay. Thank you. Um so we will go back to the presentation of the proclamation
of our Eagle Scout if he's okay with that. Sure. Yes. All right. Uh so if we would our Eagle Scout wants to come and join us. Jonathan you can come up to the mic
here. Um and I would like to recognize you with this proclamation. Um whereas the rank of Eagle Scout is the highest honor that can be attained by a Boy Scout and takes years of dedication and commitment to achieve and whereas Eagle
Scouts act as leaders and role models in the community. The Eagle Scout Award is a distinction that will follow Mr. Waggler through outlife and will be a beacon to others of the leadership quality and commitment he has shown. And whereas his attainment of the rank of
Eagle Scout involved enhancing an existing trail in Euing Woods and in collaboration with the Swamps Conservancy installing anformational kiosk near the entrance of the woods. This major community service project will undoubtedly benefit the citizens of Swampscott, Massachusetts for years to
come. And now therefore, be it proclaimed that on behalf of the entire select board and the town of Swampscout, we do hereby congratulate and recognize uh Mr. Walger for his achievement of the rank of Eagle Scout and urge others to join us in extending our congratulations
and witnessed here to and signed by the hands a fix the great seal of the town of Swampscout, Massachusetts, the Swamp Scout Select Board. Thank you very much. I very uh we just wanted to extend congratulations to you. This is a very big accomplishment that not many people
attain and um I I believe that it's the hope that we will compile a list of all of our Eagle Scouts in town and we will display that somewhere so that we could commemorate you for years to come. So, thank you very much for your congratulations.
Sure. We can absolutely take a picture, but does anybody have any questions or comments for our Eagle Scout? Before we do that, can you tell us about your project and just comment on what your journey was like? I mean, we had we had the
opportunity to come to your ceremony. Doug and myself had a chance to get there. We don't have to shuffle kids around to little league and soccer. So, we were able to run over, which was a really great experience for me. Um, I've always wanted to attend one and to see
all the awards that you get and um, your parents there. I mean, this is a major accomplishment for your parents. I know you did a lot of work, but I know what it's like being a parent and having to Do you have this ready? Do you have that ready? So, this is a really big deal.
Really big deal. Yeah. So, as you said before, it was my Eagle Scout project mainly centered around um a kiosk in Euing Woods, which I didn't know was a was named Eing Woods. I just knew it as the forest near
my old elementary school, Stanley, which is now the new elementary school. Um and then we also did trail cleanup and also installed trail medallions to mark the path. Um and then so pretty relatively basic kind of standard Eagle Scout
project in my opinion. Um but I would say the what one of the really unique parts of my journey was going through COVID with it. Um because what a lot of people don't know is when you have a big pandemic a lot of merit badge counselors
are not able to really meet. Um so that was really the biggest and most noteworthy part of my advancement in my opinion because every Eagle Scout does an Eagle Scout project but not everybody goes through a pandemic to get it. So, I just found that a really unique experience. Um, in terms of that's
actually where I got um great many of my merit badges because my dad became a merit badge counselor for a bunch of them and also we found other people on like Zoom and stuff. But yeah, so it was a really great experiment experience more than half of my life
actually. So, it's great that it's got it's come to this. That's incredible. Excellent. Anybody else? Um, so I had a great time with Mary Ellen. Uh, it was a little bit of a throwback experience because I'm an Eagle Scout, too. And he had to take the pledge again.
I did have to take the pledge again, which was a little We're going to monitor. Very happy to see he took that pledge again. Uh, two things I have to say. One is I I want to uh second what Mary Allen said uh to your mom and to your dad. Uh really kind of I brought back like all
the intense work that happens by parents in this. Um, the other factoid I learned was that only six% of people that go into Boy Scouts actually end up being an Eagle Scout. So, this is really kind of like a top dog type of thing. So, congratulations.
So, I have one question for you because we actually at town hall we have a we have plaques that have been made and every eagle and um the girls gold award uh since 1923 are on these plaques. But you've thrown a little curveball in for
us because we've got to send the plate out to put your name on it. So, we just need to know because I know at the event I think you went by the name John Henry and yet your name is Jonathan. So, we just need to know what you want on the plaque. We're going to set we're going
to find out from Crown Trophy how long it's going to take to put your name on the plaque and as soon as we have that date, we'll have the unveiling. Yeah. So, for those you don't know, Jonathan is my real name. Jack Henry as a nickname. Don't ask me how I got it. I
have no idea. Um I would probably prefer Jonathan Henry Walger or Jonathan Walger. Whichever one just we'll take care of that. Very good. All right. So, if you don't mind, we'll take a picture for um posterity. For posterity and for your parents, do you guys want to come
join us? Come on, guys. Okay. She takes wonderful. Yes, that's a good picture. That's a great picture. Perfect. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations to you. Thank you all.
Thank you. Okay. All righty. Next item on the agenda will be discussion and possible vote on 12 to 24 Pine Street thematic design. We have some here from neighborth housing.
help us along. Hello. Thank you for having us. Thank you. Would you like to introduce yourselves to the public? Yes. So, my name is Holly Grace and I'm Yara Varget and we work work
with Benabirth Housing. Um, I have a presentation. Should I should I do it? Will pull that up for us. While that's Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Um, while that's loading, uh, just a
very quick intro about Benabirth Housing. We're a nonprofit organization. We build non sectarian affordable housing and manage it. We have a track record of highquality successful development, including the Michan, the former school on Burpie
Road, which was completed in 2021. We have experience with service enriched senior housing with resident service coordination like exists at the Michan and um here on Pine Street. It's our goal to be involved with this property
for a long time and help residents age in place and we are excited about the synergies that this development will have with the existing Michan. So just a little recap about the process. Uh, Benabirth Housing responded
to the town's RFP to develop this site on Pine Street in August 2023 and the land agreement was signed in December 2024. And consistent with this land agreement, we have developed
plans um that tonight we're going to review the schematic design plans. And the land agreement requires that the select board review and approve basically to make sure that we are consistent with what was laid out in the
land agreement. Once the select board approves the plans, we will prepare a submission for the zoning board for a friendly 40B process. So, we're very happy to be here, very excited. Thank you.
Um, our plans are on the screen or I guess the plan set that we've submitted to you. Um, so the proposal, the name is Veterans Crossing, which I think was coined by the town or was that us? Anyway, through this process, that's what we've been calling it. The proposal
is for 41 units, all with one bedroom and one bathroom. Unit sizes are 600 square ft. They are flat styled apartments. So there's elevator service that goes to each floor. All
senior and older adults for age 55 and older with a preference for veterans and a local preference to the extent allowed by the state. Um again, all the units are affordable to income limits of 60%
of area median income. uh which I quickly checked today it's about $69,000 annual income for a oneperson household and we propose to do serviceenriched housing similar to what we do at the Michan
um and with this resident service coordination uh we we plan to work in partnership with Soldier on which is a Massachusetts nonprofit focused on veterans um they would provide the resident service coordination and work
along with the property management company um to help residents as they age. They have strong experience with veterans and the issues that they face in the services that are available them. So, let's look at the plan. Actually, if we could go back to the
cover. Thank you. Um so, this is a rendering. There's more in the package, but just to give a quick overview. Um, so our we're working with architects called the architectural team and the design that they've come up with is
inspired by the surrounding residential neighborhood with a traditional New England coastal style and the goal is to be compatible with the residential character of Swamcot. So it's clabard style. We've
got a porch in front. It's three stories with a pitched roof and um I guess this is the design suggested to complement the residential style. We're going to talk a little more about this pitched roof with a different visual coming up
in a few minutes. If we could go to the next page. All right. Tough to read, not very interesting looking, but it's the existing conditions. So, um, the location's on Pine Street near the New Ocean intersection, the former
location of the garage when the town purchased it, which has since been demolished. The VFW building is currently on site. Neighboring homes are across Pine Street and also on Erie Street and there's a covert located
towards the top of the site um along the property line. The next plans, which we're not really going to go through, feel free to ask questions if you do. There's a demolition and erosion control plan, a layout and
materials plan, grading, drainage, and utility plan, and a landscape plan. And there's also a site plan if you keep scrolling. Keep going. Yes, please keep going.
Yes, there it is. Yeah. If we have questions, do you want to wait till the end or like if they're technical questions, should we ask them now or what's best for your flow? Do you want the wait or I'm I'm happy to do it either way. Whichever you prefer.
Is it about the plans we just scrolled past? Yeah. Then let's wait till the end. Okay. Let's wait till the end. Is that okay? Um so if we keep going, please. So this is the back one please. The this is a I
guess a pretty picture site plan, a rendered site plan that's hopefully easy to explain. So um Pine Street is on the bottom of this plan. Um and the building footprint you can see with the sloped roofs is on the right and the parking
area is on the left. Um so the parking area in this plan is adjacent to the dispensary towards the more commercial use of the site. We placed the housing close to the corner with Eerie Street, which we debated. Um, but it's our
thinking that it's a quieter use. Um, and thought that rather than the cars entering and exiting with their lights and potential trash coming in and out, um, that this would be preferred. Um, so car
access comes in from the driveway that's shown in the middle of this plan. This has 35 spaces of outdoor parking with a ratio of 0.85 per unit. So this is less than one per unit.
Um but we think this is adequate based on the actual car usage and car ownership with the tenants at Michan. It is uh from this location especially easy to access the bus service to go to grocery store, retail
and other services. So, we have we're continuing or improving the sidewalk network around the site. We've got the parking lot. The ba main building entrance is at the Pine Street side with the porch.
Um, and the sloped roof. You can see it looks a little unusual because there's the white rectangle with little squares in it. This is showing that there's actually a flat roof in the middle that
houses the man the mechanical equipment and it's dropped down into a mechanical well um so that they're hidden basically from the view of the neighbors and the sidewalk and the street. Um we thought this would be an
appealing design. Uh, we like the sloped roof just for the residential character and I know that mechanical equipment tends to be a sensitive issue. If you could scroll to the next plan, please. Thank you. This is the ground floor plan. Um, the entrance is
shown towards the bottom of the site. Um, off of the porch area. On this floor, we have a community room, two offices, one for the property manager, one for the Fres resident service coordinator who will work in this building, a fitness room, a package
room, a bathroom to be used by folks when they're on this floor, and back of the house usage like electric, trash room, boiler, and water. We have two elevators and two sets of stairs and 11
units on this floor. On the second floor, uh oh Marcy got it. Thank you. Okay, there are 15 units um a shared laundry room and a balcony outdoor deck uh across from the
laundry room. The third floor has 15 units and also some back of the house storage maintenance space. If we can go to the next plan with typical Oh, we've focus on that slope roofs. These are the
two. Yeah, one more if we can go. Uh the our typical unit plans next Marcy. Y thank you. So all of the units will have uh one bedroom and one bathroom approximately 600 square f feet. They all have full kitchens, dishwasher, and
all typical appliances. Um, all electric, so no gas stoves here. Um, and the next slides have elevations.
So, Yara, maybe you can help me read the that's the view. The top one's a view from the parking lot. Yep. The bottom view is from Pine Street. And these are elevations. So they're not you'll never actually see this view. It's very flat
look. The next slide, please, Marzy. That is Erie Street. And then the bottom one is the view looking basically from across the property line um from the backyards of homes. And uh
this view will never be seen. Our landscape plan has um some evergreens and other things to help shield and buffer that view and perspective drawings
of how we think this could look. And is the section next? Yeah. So, this is a cake slice uh basically through the building which shows where the units are, the common
spaces. And if you note in the small text on the right, we have the elevations of the different floors. And you might note that the first floor is uh raised a bit. It needs to be above above the flood plane elevation. And
there's also the mechanical well on the roof that I spoke about. um shows how the mechanical equipment is on the flat roof portion and that the sloped roof conceals that. And then our last page in this
packet is our proposed level of interiors. These are samples from recent developments that our architect worked on. And um BBH tries to make all of our affordable housing as attractive as market rate and to be able to compete
with market rate so people feel proud about living in our communities and uh we try to have happy tenants. So we like quality design and uh we want to be proud of what we build and have
Swampscott be proud of us too. We look forward to your questions and comments. Thank you. Thank you, Holly. Doug, would you like to start? Sure. Um, so my first, uh, question was, uh, way back when we talked, Holly, and
there were some questions about being able to build across is it a culvert that kind of transsects the property? Um, and is that is the building now crossing that or is that kind of just to the left edge of the building? The
covert is not going to be built on sorry the building is not going to be built on top of the covert and we will need to relocate the covert further into the parking lot. It's noted on demolition and erosion control plan. You can see
um close to the VFW building there's sort of a dashed line that goes north south. That's the new location of the culvert. Okay. So, when we were having our conversations before, that seemed like something that just couldn't be worked around, but I guess now we've found a
way to work around it. Okay. Um my other question was uh just what about in terms of uh you know, we have a climate action plan here. We're trying
to instill and require as much as possible buildings that are all electric uh heat pumps, solar. What are the um plans in that regard? Good question. I don't know if we've
fully worked it out. Um in our most recent developments, we are passive house certified and all electric and extremely green. I would imagine we would do something similar here. We have
architects are still at this very conceptual level and we have not yet engaged mechanical engineers and things like that. So I think it will be a very high standard of green which is what the state requires for affordable housing. Um Okay. Um, you're showing the
mechanical kind of equipment on top of the building just and with the sloped roofs and everything. I don't really doesn't really seem like solar's kind of in the cards with that type of design. Is that you're raising a good point
and I would say we need to look into it more. I would like solar on this building and if we can do it on sloped roofs and somehow think creatively about this, we'll try to make it happen. I probably should know this what
what level of requirement we have in town for it to be that way in terms of Ted, you got any comments on that? You have stretch code, right? Yeah. Or super stretch. Yeah. most communities are. So, we'll be
looking into it definitely. And then, um, you know, a fundamental thing here is getting vets in here. So, I know that's not necess we're looking at a schematic design, but uh, you know, I think that in the broader sense of the
community, that's, you know, the most important thing. Um, so had do you have anything to share tonight about your thoughts and ways in which whether it was soldier on or any other way in which we're going to ensure that we get Swam Scout vets that are living here. Uh we
are going to market the heck out of this to make sure that every veteran who might possibly want to live here is aware of it and is aware of our timing for the application process and lottery process that comes out. So honestly
everyone in this room I would like to enlist enlist your help. There will be email blasts and information sessions and things like that that we will be getting the word out. Yeah. And we're working with Soldier on
who has a massive contact list also. And I know that we've Mike Sweeney has been a part of these conversations, our um veterans agent. And the last conversation I had had with um Mike involved
uh confidentiality of veterans. Uh and once you guys give him the information, he can get the information out. Um so he's very keen to also partner up um with you guys to to make sure that he's getting the information out to all the
right folks. Great. Wonderful. on that topic. So, is it fair to say that um so 60% of this housing will be available for people who make $69,000 or less? No, that's just the income band. Yeah. So,
just can you just all of the housing every single unit all 41 will have income restrictions on it. Every single unit. And the income maximum that we're proposing is 60% of the area area medium
income. So sorry for that confusion. That's the tier to it or is it all just under 60? Is there a 30 and a 60 or Yeah. Yeah. So all of them 60 and below seven of them right? But what's the proportion of each? Yeah. I think we do
we have 60 50 60% AMI units 50% AMI units and then 15 um 30%. 15 units that are 30% and the and the remainder uh 50 and 60% with the majority being 60. All right. So just
walk us through this only because just in case anybody from the limit item is on here if we just start getting this information out. So, you're saying 15 units will be available for people who make what or less? 30% area median
income. And what do we know what that dollar amount is? I didn't pull that up today, but is that $40,000ish? And it adjusts every 35 probably. So, the area medium income you said was
69,000. No, that is the 60%. Oh, that's%. Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse. Yeah. No, that's okay. That's okay. That's We have 15 units is the 30% AMI. Yes. And then how many units? Forgive me. 23 units will be restricted to at or below
30%. 23 units. 23 units. And the remainder was 18. The remaining 18 units will serve eligible households earning up to 60% AMI. And that's the number Holly gave earlier right now. And then we're going to need
clarification on what that income actually is because I attended something with soldier on. I I went to like a seminar thing and there's a number of um veteran income doesn't even fall into that range that they don't it's
exonerated from that formula. So we just need to start working to find out really like a portion of their benefits they're not counted. Right. if they get veteran benefits or SSDI depending on those things are were not calculated. Okay. So we should get
some of the and who can have a conversation with that 34300% of 34,300 is what those 20 that's for one that's for
one two would be $39,200. Okay. So can two people live in one of these units? Yes. Yes. Okay. Right. And it's good. Okay. Go ahead, David. So, have there been have there been like
ongoing discussions with the veterans stakeholders with members of the BFW and the DAB regarding these plans? Yes. Yeah. No, not yet. Okay. Um, how is the visitor parking going to
work for the development since this is already going to be fairly tight? And previously with other larger developments, uh, we've restricted um, the recreation stickers uh, for for residents of those. Um, so so where are
you know folks that are coming to to visit? Where are they how is that how is that going to work with the town? Maybe that's maybe that's a question to you or or to Marzy. Um, but it's certainly a concern for for us, for me. Currently, we imagine it being in the shared
parking lot. We in our developments, we don't have assigned parking spaces other than someone who might have a handicap placard or some mobility extreme mobility issues. So, typically the parking shared between residents and
visitors, you know, first come, first serve. Um, and there is limited on street parking nearby. Folks might be on on the street as it exists currently. Are the two
handicap spots going to be sufficient for for this for this population, senior population, veterans? Uh, that's a good question. Right now, it meets building code according to the architects, but we could look into adding more spaces. Okay. And then kind of can you can you
give us an idea of the timing for your for the funding rounds as to when how that how that timeline would work? And so um the pre-application for the state funding well I guess backing up even further Marsy the uh Northshore home
consortium has a funding round where this year the deadline was around Labor Day I believe. So, it would be wonderful if our permitting is underway or even in hand before we apply for that to demonstrate readiness. So, we would apply for that. Um, and then the
pre-application for the state funding round typically happens in October. So, we would ideally have permits in hand and be ready at that point. And then the application um is in the winter. So,
winter 2026, we'd be prepared to submit an application for low-income housing tax credits and the other state sources. And then, but we absolutely need permits in hand to do that. And then when's the award say you're
successful? It's when would funding be received? Six to nine months later. Okay. Depending. So, we understand the steps in the all the steps in the process. Yeah. depending on what the governor has going on basically. So, if if everything worked worked out, just
just in case, if everything worked out, at what point do we need to have people people's applications in and lined up to get in into this building? Like what we need to know what our timing is. If you were funded in that round, say, um,
so we would start construction in March 20 March 2027. Yep. And so March 2027, October 2028 be our complete I think we're looking at March 2028 is when the marketing process
would start in earnest. Typically it's six months they get going six months before the construction is complete and moveins can happen. So that would mean September 28 is when you're thinking best case scenario. We
get funded in one round and we get permits quickly. Fastest. Yeah. Scenario. Okay. And so you would take applications 6 months prior to that March 28. The
marketing company that is highly skilled on this very regulated process does that effort. And yes, they would be taking applications and conducting their info sessions and things like that in the months and doing
outreach in the months starting six months before occupancy and a lottery probably three months three months before occupancy. So our our situation with the Michon was we we were the
qualifications to get into Michon were resident Swampscott resident. It was it was the first preferred and we have a a very low very low number of Swampscott residents that got into the Michan and I actually thought you did a good job of marketing because I heard it all the
time and you know it I wasn't paying it was just constant out there. However, to see the numbers of Swamp Scott residents that actually got into that building was disheartening to me. So the number one preference for this is veterans. The next preference is Swampscott veterans.
So, it's veterans, Swarm Scott veterans, and I just want to make sure we're doing everything in advance to make sure we have all of our folks lined up and you know, they know exactly what they need to do and the application process. So,
and I know Mike Sweeney at the last meeting that you had to talk about this, Mike Sweeney um is ready to go. He just needs to get some details and some information so that he can start, you know, he can start actually marketing in this area. Great. Okay. Although again,
it'll be highly regulated and so nobody can apply, right, until this marketing time period, right? But they can be ready. Yeah. We just need to come ready. March 2028 at the early at the early goes well. I think what the data points
we're looking for is how veterans determine if they could even be eligible for this with it with the income, what parts of their income apply towards the income calculation. Like some of those things we could start maybe getting some maybe not tomorrow but soon getting some
information together and so that we can start educating folks in town who are paying attention who want to see this uh want to see themselves here in 2028. They can start figuring some of those items out in advance. Um that way we are more prepared then maybe
um and we have an understanding even prior to application what the population is going to look like to be able to apply. I think that was one of the big things was just making sure people understood what documentation they would need, how the calculation is made for um
eligible income. And maybe that's something we can work with the affordable housing trust to also um put out some educational information about. Maybe we can get Joe to do a video for us and start see if we can get some
information to the senior center and things like that just so people feel very prepared. Um I had a couple of questions if everybody um so um I just tal in speaking about parking
in cars. Can you just speak a little bit more about because I know you brought Michawn and the Do you know what the ratio of residents to cars is at Michanimar? 78 was it? Wait, which are we here? Mich 8.87. And here we're going for 85. 85.
Okay. So, it's very similar to Michon. And right now, where do the visitors at Michan Park in the shared parking lot in the shared? Well, the parking ratio is much higher at Michan. Um but the the spaces there there are more spaces per unit
there. Okay, let's clarify. One and a half. They have 1.25 spaces per unit at Michon. Is that correct? 48. Hold on. Gar's going to do some math. I might be wrong. There's 38 units. 1.1.
It's above one. Okay. 38 units. There are often empty spaces in the parking lot. often they are often used by people going to soccer games or the playground or things like that, not necessarily for the people living in the building. From
information from our property manager, we have learned that car ownership at Michan is you have this one the 08 that's the 089 per unit. Okay. So
overnight, you would imagine at 3:00 a.m. Yep. 89 spaces per unit is totally adequate for that population. Uh we expect here at Veterans Crossing car ownership to actually be lower with the veteran
population and the number of 30% AMI units that are here just from the expense of owning, insuring, and paying for a car. We think that there'll be more folks that rely on public transportation or other other transportation. So we're feeling like it
is adequate. Yes. I was just asking about Michon to illustrate that given Mich has had success with a lower with uh has not had a parking issue, has not had a visitor's parking issue and taking the same philosophy and applying it here where you actually expect to have even less
cars because of the um the income levels and the population that is services then should be an even less of a chance that it will be an issue here. Just to clarify, we don't have the same parking correed. All right, correct. Understood.
Yes. question that just uh is the ratio of 30% 50% similar at Michan there are many more 60% the ratio of 60% AMI units is much higher at Michon than it will be here at Veterans Crossing
um in talking about the mechanicals in the roof well we'll call it um can you speak to or do you have any information on how that might mitigate noise of the mechanicals or do you have any data on noise? No. Okay. No data. No data at
this point. I'm not even sure which mechanicals we're putting up there yet. So, um, but other than it must help because there's basically a wall and then a slope roof. Yeah. Um, so I would assume that having it embedded in the roof like that must
mitigate the noise, which is great. And then I was just like, where does the snow go? But that's a U problem, not an S problem. that the snow must build up in there, right? Um, so my understanding is that the property management company contracts in the
well. In Oh, in the well. Yeah. Yeah. In the well. You don't have to answer. There must be drains for rain and things like that. Thank you. That is a you problem, meaning us problem. So, we will ask that question to our uh people. Yeah. Um, it's lovely that there's a deck on the building. That's great.
There's um space for the residents to enjoy outside. um both in the front and the roof area just um again not a today answer but noise mitigation and you know respect respectfulness of the neighborhood I
don't know where the roof is in line with people if if there's there you could imagine quiet hours quiet hours or but just even visually if they can see into yards or anything like that if we put up some screening or something just something to be thoughtful about for
neighborhood privacy and protection there's going to immediately these huge trees or I mean I was actually going to ask about the landscape plan because um I am a leazison to the tree committee so they would be very mad if I didn't obviously we would love to understand
the land to have the landscape plan keep as many existing mature trees as possible and not have any of any of them removed if possible and if there are going to be replantings that they meet the native plant schedule that we have in town which you know can provide to
you um if you don't already have it. You see the plan where all the all the trees are being removed. Where is that? Sorry. No, Doug. I didn't see that. That's why I asked the question. But this is the landscape plan here, right? So, all of these are going back in. And I assume this I don't know. It's C103. Is that
the landscape plan? I believe that is the landscape plan. Yeah. Okay. So, it does look like the whole back property. And some of them are quite um significant in size. I believe if the circles indicate how big tree is. Do you have to do that?
Maybe if we just depending on the covert work and one of them might be right in the fence line because the neighbors encroached quite a bit onto that property. Okay. Where the existing fence is is in where the property line is. So
we're pushing them we're pushing that neighbor back or pushing that fence back a good 10 ft property line. The town is reclaiming their land. Exactly. And I've met with the residents last week and they're fine with it. They said, "Thank you for letting us use it for last so
many years." Well, that's pleasant. Okay. Um, yeah. Let's see. I think it's everything I wrote down. Anyone else? Any follow-up questions or any additional
questions? I just want to know if the planning board has seen these or If the planning board has we are following the you're following the rule of the yeah of the land agreement. Um
Marzy has shared them with the planning board person is here and we invited them to attend the meeting. Uh and also the plans, the schematic design plans will be available on the um town website so that publicly they're
available. And again, as Holly stated in her introduction, this is the first stop of the conversation. And then um we will discuss and then uh what is it? What is
it? Then they go what is the date? What do we have? How many days do we have? July 14th on this on yes comments prior to that so that it could be right. I think the approval they would
like in 45 days. So the idea is that we would provide feedback between now and next meeting and then if there is takeaways that they would come back with enhancements based on those takeaways. So, how do we get this in front of the neighbors?
We could propose a public neighborhood meeting. Neighborhood meeting there. There are Marsy. So, yes. So, if I could just just comment. So, per the LDA, the select board is the entity that provides the
comments. Um, I'm happy to hold a a neighborhood meeting to share it with the neighbors um and maybe report back to you if if that's what you prefer, but it's really up to this board um how you wanted to address the comments or regarding the project. Well, so there's
there's like a couple questions here is one is what happens if you have some neighbors that are like, "Look where that where that deck is there, that deck's looking into my bedroom window. Can you move that deck here or there? Or um I don't know. I'd like to know if the
planning what the planning board has to say. Where is the actual Is there an outdoor dumpster for trash or is that trash kept inside? It is. It is. And actually there's is that it? That's it. There trash room. There's a
room. Yeah. Trash room. We'll just share the layout plan. smoking. It's page It's uh page four C 101. Keep going Diane. Keep going. That one. Thank you. You want to
zoom to zoom? Uh Do you have Yeah, we have it in front of you. So, it looks like in the parking lot in the top right hand corner. Yes, there's
there's a trash area. That's the trash area with the thought that a trash truck could come in through the driveway, circle around, and reverse to get the trash into the truck. There's also, what is that labeled in the
corner? A smoking shed, which has been recommended to us. I'm sorry, what? Smoking. Smoking shed has been recommending to us. Our building is non-smoking, but especially with the veterans population to have a place. It
basically looks like a almost like a bus shelter um to go to smoke. So, where does that go? Right next to the trash. Near the trash. Okay. Noted. Okay. So, um as the LDA states are we are the ones who give the commentary
back to Ben. So, if if we would like public comment in this process, then I think we can certainly invite them to be a part of it. But it it's on us to get the feedback in order to give the comments. So if we would like to set up
um neighborhood a neighborhood meeting also a veterans meeting of the veteran stakeholders to present I think that or or just a public meeting is a part of our next meeting. Sure. Yeah. Or we can have a separate one. I
mean it it might take in order to hear the feedback though it's often like right less conducive to have it here. This is just my my opinion but open to anything. It can be intimidating to come to a select board meeting and to have public feedback like that. If it's just related
to this one topic it maybe is a little bit more comfortable for people to give feedback on it. So like something at the senior center something a little Yeah. I think that'd be a good idea. I think we'd like to try to do that Marcy and Okay. And we can certainly see if if you
all are available and would like to join us, we'd be happy to have you and um we can make this presentation available. Make sure the neighbors and the stakeholders know. So that would all have to happen in the next two weeks before our next meeting ideally. I mean we can we can schedule it next
week. I mean, I think that we have um tried to do our best to really reach out to all of the the residents um on and all of the um surrounding the property so that they're aware of anything that's going on on site as well as um really communicating with the the leaders of
the the VFW as well. So, I mean, I think the biggest thing that came up when we had that public meeting on the what was that, the 30th, April 30th, one of the biggest questions that came up was the selection of who one of the biggest
concerns that came up was the selection of who was going to give get in there. And yeah, that's pretty much it. Who was who was going to actually get in there? And I think there is a I don't know there was one individual
um that kept bringing it up and about the process on how people are getting in and so we're not going to have a draft tenant selection plan right for this submission and for the comprehensive permit submission right I think I'm sorry we understand that that's very
important my point was that was the only thing that that that was the biggest thing that came up and then the second biggest thing was parking Um, yes. Whatever whatever they what they mean to No, no. I just think I think people just as long as people have a chance to say,
you know, I don't want I don't want smoking over here or I don't want a balcony over there or I want my trees here, whatever. And another concern that I have is any recommendations from the planning board, you know, to give us input.
Okay. Um, Marzy, I just want to make sure whatever we decide to send out to the neighbors and the stakeholders, we inform them that this is only approval of the schematic design phase and that will help maybe alleviate. We're certainly glad to give them all the information we have, but there's not a lot information to be had right now
about selection and we're not we're being as transparent as we can be, but we also don't want to give information today that's going to be wrong tomorrow. So I think as long as we highlight that the purpose of this is review of schematic design and input on the um
design as proposed that is probably most helpful for us to then give the appropriate comment for the LDA. That makes sense. Okay. Anything further? All right. Well, thank you both very much. Appreciate it.
Thank you. All right, I think we are on to our presentation for Mission on the Bay Seaw Wall. All right, I think Diane, you have a presentation for this one as well if
you wouldn't mind pulling it up. You ready? I'm as ready as I'll ever be. Excellent. Excellent. If you want to just introduce yourself again. Sure. My name is Anne Martin with LEC Environmental Consultants. We are doing
the permitting for the repair of the seaw wall. Excellent. This is Marty Bloom. He is one of the owners of Swamat Realy Trust. Hi there. And hello Mission on the Bay Restaurant. Excellent.
Um I realize that I did not I you have a copy of the presentation. I don't know if you've read it. You don't you don't have to raise your hand and admit whether or not you did. I know you have a long agenda, so I'm going to try and give it to you, you know, cliff
notes, ask whatever questions you want. Um, I realized at the beginning I did not list what the endg game was to why I was here. And I realized sitting here it would be important to give that to you in the beginning. And essentially, we are here because a portion of the work
in order for us to repair the wall will require us to perform work on the town's property. And I need to start a permit process with local, state, and federal agencies that includes the MEPA process. I'm not sure if you're familiar with
that. It's a very public process. You will get copies of it, and I would love for you to read every page of what I write and give to you. Um, but I don't feel comfortable, nor do I think it's appropriate for me to start that process and start speaking publicly about
something that would involve work on your land. So, that's essentially it's kind of to update you where we are and to get authorization in whatever format that is in order for me to start moving forward. And I'll explain a
little bit that more, but so these are two pictures of the site of where it occurred. The top picture is when the wall failed. There is a giant rock in the
left hand corner of the picture. Note that because that appears repeatedly in other photos and it will help give you some context when you're looking at the plans. The bottom photo is essentially what it looks like today with a
temporary repair. And you can see that large rock in the front. So, if you can switch to the next page. Can you zoom on? Can No. Oh, wow. That's terrible. I know. I didn't
realize it was going to do that. Um, so this is just a quick run through of where we've been since May 2023. went through a bunch of emergency authorizations that included the town, all the other state agencies allowing that
repair. We ended up having to retain two surveyors, just a regular surveyor and then a geospatial survey because part of the failure was underneath the building. Took a lot of time for them to do their survey. One of the issues that came up
was where were the property boundaries on the assessor's map? The property boundary is at the wall. The surveyor did a tremendous amount of registry of deeds research to discover that the
property boundaries come all the way to low water. And as you know at King's Beach, low water is way out there. So on the plan that's in front of you, that kind of gold or yellow outline, that's kind of the property boundary as it comes out. And you can see that the town
owns um the former Anony's Pier 4 on one side. There's the brick plaza that's there and then the town also owns King's Beach. So, we're right in between all property owned by the town.
Um, we also did a tremendous amount of historical research, my office did for waterways permitting. And the blue line you see on the plan is the historic high water line which
establishes the waterways jurisdiction on this site and for this project. And that took a tremendous amount of time. And we've spent we've spent about a year and over a year a year plus I won't say a year and a half a year plus in
discussions and negotiations with them about where that line was historical maps we used how we overlay those historical maps and then discussing the permitability underwaterways and what the permitting path would be. During
this process, we discovered that when the restaurant was renovated, a waterways license was not obtained. So now as part of the wall repair and we will also be obtaining a
waterways license for the restaurant and that bringing that into the equation. Complicated things and it was important to gain their input and weigh in on what our permitting path under their regulations would be because they're
very explicit and they're very narrow. Um and they were the only ones really other than the conservation commission who knew that we were talking about work on on town land.
Um we have met we also had a structural engineer who has looked at this has come up with a couple alternatives. Um I have those plans coming back. We've updated the conservation commission. Um tried to stay in touch with Tony. I think I've
appeared before the commission twice. Tony's some speed dial. I tell her, "Call me anytime you want to ask me whatever it is that you have a question about." Um, we had a meeting with multiple state agencies at Tony's request and attempt
to kind of get their input and weigh in. They were hesitant to weigh in until they have a MEPA filing sitting in front of them. Hence why I'm here before you. Um, so the next plan shows one of the
options. So this is an option where it's basically a revetment. You're you're continuing to stabilize the entire wall, not just patch in front of where the failure was. Both solutions. Neither is just a patch for the section that
failed. It's a solution to shore up that entire wall there. In the light gray, you can see there's a little bump out. That's where that large boulder rock is located. The areas shaded in blue is the
footprint of where the revetment would be on the town-owned property. For either solution, we will need to have access to bring construction equipment in same way we did for the temporary fix coming in off of the ramps and across the
beach. With this option, similar to way the way the emergency repair was done, a truck will come in, dump rocks on the beach. Those rocks will be placed. They'll only pile them up for whatever they can do during low tide.
It's a pretty straightforward operation. Do you remember how long he said it was going to take what to do this option to do this to build this? Uh couple weeks he says two two three weeks
probably three weeks a month. So it's a it's a pretty it's a pretty straightforward. Yeah. So we only can do it obviously at low tide, right? But I mean we got this thing short up in case everybody forgets pretty quickly. So we're just being generous. you might be able to move it quicker with the right team.
Um, it's a soft solution. The next slide just shows you a section of what it, you know, the slope of what it's going to look like in relationship to the wall that's there. Now, that triangle shape that kind of looks like
a upside down uh funnel, that is kind of like basically the existing wall. So you can see how it butts up against the existing wall. And in section C, you can see how it comes up underneath the building where it failed underneath the
building. The next slide is the other option which is a sister wall where you're essentially building a wall in front of a wall. Um in the section where it failed, you can see that there are tiebacks.
because of the failure, it would require tiebacks. It would require tiebacks going into the Anony's Pier 4 property. Um, at least this distance. He's he kind of put together a preliminary plan. There would be more
detail once a solution is chosen. Um, the sister wall will be designed with a curb just like the seaw wall along the rest of Kings Beach and it ties into that wall. Construction of this is a completely
different thing. It's probably going to have to be coffer damned. Um, it takes it could take months, months and months to do. It's going to have to have scaffolding. You have to it has to be dry in order to pour the footings and
pour everything from the wall. Um, typically this would be considered what's a hard solution because it is a wall. Typically uh DP and cozone management
are not a fan of this solution. At the same time I can never predict what they would choose. We would like to proceed forward with the soft solution of the revetment. It's it's a softer solution. It's more straightforward. It's easier
to construct. You can do the work much quicker and it gets us exactly where we need to go. They both they both are structurally sound too, right? Both of them are structurally sound. So what yeah is there a big difference in cost? I mean it seems obvious. Why would you
even consider the other one? Because you have to give the state lots of solutions and one of the solutions is do nothing also. Right. Right. If you if you I think at one time the alternatives analysis that the structural engineer put together I think was distributed to
you. You may not I mean yeah might the first option was to do nothing and a lot of people react and they're like that that's not an option but there's a whole alternatives process that you have to go through give them a lot of in order to do the work and so these are the things
he said we could do this or we could we could do the wall right so what is the um the lifespan of the sister wall verse the soft option.
Can't answer that, but they the engineers think the estimated lifespan they obviously Yeah, they think they think it's the same. They think it's the same. There's no difference. No difference. And and Ann, Marty, the temporary solution that's currently in place, what's the lifespan of of that? Well, we
we we check it. I mean, we just we we just issued a report in April when we met. Yeah, we sent issued you guys a report. This it's it's holding up fine. Tony asked for a report. So, it was checked in the beginning of April, right? And I think there were a couple times where they might have gone out
during hurricane season before they they went out and checked. They didn't necessarily produce a report, but they went out and checked. We have a report somewhere in town saying that it's it's held up tremendously well and not not had any failure or anything. So, it's done the job, right? But that's not saying how long that's not any way,
shape, or form the permanent solution. It's not a per but what the permanent solution will be building off of what's there and then and then making that a lot more sturdy but the the building's having no problem at all with the what's there looks like Tony go ahead Tony yeah
I just want to um I think what's the ask as Ann had said at the beginning is for the select board to be aware that either solution will require uh activity on town owned land. I think
the ultimate solution that's picked whether it's more rocks on the beach or a sister wall will depend on the DP really um and you know a more technical view. We have the
conservation commission has in the wings ready to go a peer reviewer um for whichever solution it they decide to go forward with. Um we're not going to have them do both. But so I think the
question isn't so much which solution at this point the you know the select board doesn't have to pick that. They just have to be aware and in some form le or mission on the bay would like to have some confirmation from the select board
that you know okay we realize you're going to be going on. Yes. So so we can move forward with the with the state. We just need your blessings so we can go do that in in good conscience and understand that we don't know where it's going to end up with them. We've had numerous conversations with the state and and they don't show many cards when
you're on the conference call with them. How about like no cards? So that's why there's all these different solutions floating around right now because we're not exactly sure which where the wind's going to blow when we get there. Got it. Understood. I So at some point will we be told what solution you're going with or what solutions? They will be told.
No, they'll they'll tell us. They're going to be telling us. They'll be told they will be the How much input do we have on what's Well, they'll have to come before the conservation commission. Once we have and the conservation commission will say and the conservation
commission has peer review already. The D um you know will also be evaluating which option should be best used. So that information will be out there and of course you could come to conservation
commission meeting um to hear final solutions. But so I have a question. So the wall goes down and then you brought in a company to sh it up or Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, and then do we have we so what
is the status as far as the town owned property? Is it secure? Is everything okay? Do we have our own engineers that say this is all we did? We hired GZA I believe they came out and SG&H excuse me
seems to happen. They looked at our wall. There is a report somewhere. Okay. That's an engineering company. Yeah. Okay. GNH they were confident that wall was in and you have the geo geoeng engineers report as of last month too.
Did they evaluate our wall? They evaluate the I don't remember the report Tony. I think we got it to you. Did we not? Yes. You you um I wanted to make sure before you came before the select board that the temporary that's been there for a couple years now was still
okay. Right. But it didn't evaluate our wall. I just looked at their temporary structure. They have not. So the firm that did these evaluations did not necessarily evaluate your wall. They are designing both solutions so
that it does not negatively impact your wall or doesn't cause scour and all these other coastal process issues that Yeah. Yeah, because I my question was going to be with the uh what did you call these lines that go across into our
wall? Oh, the tieback. The tiebacks. Yeah. With the tiebacks going into the Anony's property, how that could affect any shifting or the the integrity of our wall. Um, obviously
it's not a decision you all make, but um, Tony, I would assume that the D and other agencies would take that into consideration when making a suggestion that they're not going to just suggest something that would cause harm to the town. I don't, as much as I appreciate
the D, I really don't want the D telling us that, you know, it's not going to I I'd rather see somebody an engineer, our own engineers. Well, there's a peer review. The peer review, right? So they'll make a they'll make a suggestion. I mean the peer reviewer I'm good with that. My interest
is to just to make sure whatever they come up with is sound. Um that's that's what's important. Um so when when Marty says D is going to decide we it is not just kind of we don't just kind of be like okay you
decide. We we are going to advocate for the revetment solution. based in my experience that would be their preference anyway. And we are we will be presenting a whole host of reasons by why one is better than the other. And
there's a lot of construction reasons why the revetment is much straightforward and better. So while they could say to us we don't think we like this one better or we'll only permit that one. I don't want to be overly confident, but
I I we are going to advocate for the resetment and you you own Anony's Pier 4, right? The department does not. So technically, I don't think the
department could force you to say yes to allow that option, right? So, it's not it's not like we get to come in or the department gets to come in and force something on the town as a solution. This is part of the reason why I wanted to come and tell you because I would be
mortified if we started filing permits and you did not know what's going on. Yeah. what was going on. Of course, but to say to say the same, sorry, Doug, uh if the if the bureaucratic machine decided that that was the best option and then
our peer review showed that there would be no detriment to that option, then that may be the option that would have to go forward. Um and we don't necessarily have the muscle to take on multiple federal state
agencies as we have Tony. I don't know. Oh, I I know. I know you are. I'm stronger than I thought you were going to say. She's mighty. The other thing of interest that um that you might mention is the walkway. We're getting I wanted we kind of were going
in this other direction. I won't it's it's on the slides. So, you're not really asking us to decide anything tonight, right? you just this is a heads up and and and there's going to be work done maybe from the Anony's Pure Four
side, maybe from the town side, from the beach side and any of these there's going to be kind of that that's going to need to happen. You're going to need our permission to do that. This is really just to get you guys up to speed of where we are and the process that's going on and then uh then we then then we can move forward with the with filing
all the permits and and then really get into the process and and is there any other dramatically different impact downtown property or anything in either of these solutions than you know the tiebacks.
So the next slide this is a positive dramatic impact. Keep going till you get to the brown the boardwalk. So, yes. So, D waterways requires when you have something like this restaurant, they require public access between the
restaurant and the shoreline. Now, as we all know, the restaurant is like 30 40 feet above the shoreline. It's like 24 something like that. Yeah. Um but the department said public access
is a requirement and I said how about public access at low tide walking along the ground and that did not play well. So we will be constructing a boardwalk wow similar to this in front of the restaurant that will connect to the
brick patio. It does connect up and interface with the restaurant building. This will be 100% public. People could go into the restaurant if the if the town gave him whatever liquor license or whatever. People could go in while they're waiting and bring a drink
out there, but it's totally public access along the shoreline. The next, if you could switch to the next one, it'll show how it's elevated. This was a shock to us when we got there. Oh, I got the harbor walk in the It's a harbor walk in the harbor waterfront advisory committee
plan. This is the harbor walk coming to coming to fruition. It's only 100 feet though. So it's not like you know it's not not 100 more feet than we have today. Yeah. You're pay I got news for you. When you start working on pair four you're going to the same thing's coming to you right and
talk about that. You're going to be connecting to my my uh boardwalk. Sweet town's boardwalk. Boardwalk but our boardwalks are going to be going to be wrapping all the way around the front there. Just to note, this ties in very well with the Hawthon property because
there is a requirement to have public access along the coastal area. So, we would in intent be one big boardwalk that would continue. So, so we're giving you a jump start. Yeah, we're the pioneers for this view.
We're going to figure it out. Then you guys can just jump on our cotails once it's moving along. So the the last slide just kind of gives a timeline that my wish timeline that Tony knows keeps bumping is
um the first thing that I will need to do is we have to go through this MEPA process. There is an environmental justice community within a mile of this. So we will have I need to have a certain number of public meetings, public hearings for input before I start the
MEPA process. So that this is kind of the first thing. Hence, I didn't want to have a public meeting and have you not not know. And I'm assuming like think we can go through Gino for knowing when we would need to come back to you
or for like if anything needs to be signed. Is that correct? Yeah. I mean we could um just checking the language on here. Um yes to enter property you can be the
conduit for us to detail that information and you can also grant them access as as interim administrator say it would segue over you would say DPW director. Yeah that's right somebody else still be the conduit. Right. Okay.
I have a question on the repair on the repair that you did. my understanding. Do we are we all are we all even up on the finances on that repair? Is that something you need to look into? We could look into that. Right. There's
there's a lot of things we're going back and forth with the the former town manager on that because there was a you guys stepped in at the point it was kind of like half authorized. There's a lot a lot of push back on and I also agreed at that time not to file for an abatement. There's a lot of little things were said along the way here. It makes it much
more complicated than you you guys say, but it's, you know, at some point we will get this straight though. What do you I think I think at some point it's got to happen pretty quickly. Well, there's there's a lot of things were said also from our standpoint that it's not completely. Either way, if we can just get everything resolved. That be
that'll be great. Yeah, I agree. I have a question about the boardwalk. Who maintains it? You guys, they're part of Yes. Well, it's not it it it is it's a requirement of the waterways public access. So, I just wondered if it's a
the waterways permit will it's a requirement to construct it. When he constructed constructs it, I will have to write a waterways management plan or how it's managed that is approved by D waterways. He will have to maintain it. Fantastic. Take care of it.
You will not be required to. And there's nothing on you. We have the same thing up in Beverly, the restaurant up there. We just we we've been through this process before. This is not my first rodeo. I didn't think I was going to be going through it again this quickly after doing that one. But we've been through the same thing with the management plan and so we're pretty
pretty well honed on uh going through this at this point. They all know it was pretty well. I said I didn't think it was going to be this quick. Then we will see you the next appropriate time you need to present to us, but any
access you need can go through Chino and Tony will keep us a breast of all matters, I'm sure. I think everybody's good. Yep. Okay. Appreciate your time. Thank you for coming in. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Okay. Um, next on our agenda is um discussion and possible vote on the Swampscott Police Department's recommended changes. Um if the board allows I would like to move six up because we do have a representative from
um Tarpine Journey here and so that he doesn't have to necessarily sit through officer's presentation if that's okay. Sure. Um I'd like to move that up. Officer had a gun with him. I don't think I don't think he'll have a problem. He's
very patient and he may actually uh be able to answer some questions if it comes up on this. So he might be a necessary part in this process. Okay, Marzy, is there a presentation or just discussion? No,
just however else you wanted to to take this off as a first meeting or just an opportunity to hear from from Justin. right now. Um I did share with with you both of the host community agreements. Um so then you will see it and we're
happy to go through them some of the changes. Oh, I should say um all of the changes would bring up bring the town in compliance with the new uh cannabis control commission u requirements. One thing that um Justin did request is that
uh because uh Tripppy Journey is a social equity partner or social equity um company um they he did request that uh we create a um a revenue um item within a a budget because as you
know right now the town is collecting 3% of their revenues as a host community payment that we receive directly from do um being a social equity company. The town also rece receives additional 1% revenue. So a total of 4%.
Unfortunately, we're still struggling with do tried to figure out how do you um distinguish the both of the companies. How do we figure out how much funding came in from one to the other? We were told that it's a proprietary information some like tax information that they're not willing to share with
us. So, I'm working with Patrick so we can figure it out a better process or better way to uh to account for those funds. So, how do we know we're being paid right the correct the correct amount? We just have in do we trust? Yes. because we don't we don't unfortunately we don't get a um like a
um an overall statement in terms of the proceeds that come in proprietary from tax but even so at the at the state level on the CCC website isn't there a I mean they have all kinds of sales information and there's there's there's
nothing there there's nothing that goes business by business or it's just it's just aggregated by the town by municipality that's that's how I that's how it's it's it's that's what it was convened to me. I mean, I'm not I I know obviously you have to report your your actual incomes, but then it's
proprietary information. I'm not sure if that's something else that that you really share as a business. Yeah. I don't have I can't say I know exactly how it works with DR, but my understanding was um I think it does come over kind of in aggregate like our the tax revenue from
us and the other company in town. Um but I think that I was under the understanding that there is a way to kind of break it out but um having never I have never done anything with DR so like me saying that doesn't really carry a lot of weight but I had reached out to them just to try to
understand um and they had given me some directions of kind of how to break it apart but I obviously don't have that data so it's kind of hard to tell um but the request that we were asking for was that we break it out as granular
as possible so that everyone understands what's coming from the tax revenue and what's coming from um kind of that additional 1% for us being the social equity company and other than that all the other um standard edits are in here. Uh we're still waiting for final review for
KP Law because they did an initial review. Uh we shared some of the comments with um with with Justin. So we're just waiting to reconcile some of them. But that was probably the only thing that um you know that I can say that that was questionable. And um Marzy
I asked you so it was it just compliance the changes and then in terms of our total revenue the impact for the town these changes we don't think there will be any impact or there will not be any because um as you know the town of Swans
got voted um to um sort of like through the host community agreement we agre we had an agreement in principle to collect additional 3% on top of the the 3% that uh the town receives from from do we were supposed to have been receiving
additional 3%. We have now been collecting those funds because there was pending litigation. So we were just waiting to see what happens. Right now a lot of the communities who have collected the funding they end up giving the funds back. So therefore there's still sort of like some pending
litigation but um you know right now the new regulations are that you're not allowed to charge um the retailers additional you know punitive or additional 3% for um as part of their their revenues.
But so what what what that is is there are there are communities that did charge the 3%. They did receive the 3%. And now there's litigation from some marijuana stores trying to fight that out. And when do we have any idea when that litigation is going to be part of
it? There was there was some ca the behavioral case was just recently resolved but it's still really questionable. They settled out of court. Um no I think there was judgment but it's really questionable in terms of like how it's it's applicable. going to be further adjudicated. That was in the last month that was and then
so so one thing I just wanted to clarify that we have been receiving the 3% right all along as soon as um the the company opened up um the tax debt has been been coming in we have not had any issues um you know chirpy journey has been a wonderful u business partner community
partner they have um you know uh contributed through the charitable donations they have made their charitable donations that was something else that's being taken out because that's that is not allowed under the new regulation. So you would have seen that that that's been stricken out of the the
new new agreement. So that means we can't require it, but they could still do it on a voluntary basis outside of the outside of the agreement. And then in addition, I know that, you know, you've been a great neighbor to um
making donations to the garden walk and that was something that was not part of part of the agreement um that was even listed in here. five organizations I think right to you. Um so I I know you said KP Law didn't give um comments back to this yet but I would like to
understand from KP law if there is uh if it's in our best interest to keep that 3% in the agreement even though the litigation hasn't been settled because if the litigate litigation were to be settled in favor of the host communities then we would receive it retroactively
for all of the agreements that we have it in. And if we do not keep it in because we think the litigation's not going to be in our favor, um, then we would lose out potentially on a favorable judgment. Um, and also if it's proven that it is not legal, then
there's a provision in here, I'm sure, that says any provision that's not legal just fades away and the rest of it is still valid. And um, so uh, just curious to hear their stance on that. I can definitely check on it, but there is a um a like a model post community
agreement that was shared uh through the Cannabis Control Commission. Yeah. And that excluded any reference to any additional Yeah. I'm I'm sure it did because but we want it back the litigation because of the litigation. And so that makes sense that it would
just I just wonder KP laws if if they think it's fully litigated and they don't feel like there's going to be any merit in doing that then there's no sense in doing that. There's no loss to us to keep it in there. No, I don't see any keep it in. Yeah. And and then we're Marsy, we're also talking about that the additional 3% is defined as the
community impact fee. Is that is that accurate? I mean I'm I'm just kind of reading through. So that's that's removed the additional 3% has been removed um from the uh from the host community agreement and that's something that was removed a strike by the the CCC.
See it's still in there. No, it's I I will say one thing that would be helpful for us is I can understand the um sort of desire to sort of wait and see. There's a certain point for us where uh it becomes challenging to operate a business and to not know if the town's
coming for, you know, a couple hundred thousand dollars. Like it's truly, you know, it's it's truly is hard to operate a business. And so like we're kind of to the point where we would like to shake hands and figure out what the best way forward is because for us it's more the
the unknown is, you know, it's it's challenging. Um, and it's not just challenging to run a business, it's challenging to have a relationship, you know, because when you have 200 thou, you know, a huge payment potentially hanging over your head. Um, and I think the state's been literally the name of
the law that they uh produced is called an act relative to equity in the cannabis industry. And um the CCC has posted guidance. Um uh like the reason why the town is getting an extra percent for us being in town is because we're a social equity
company and the CCC has been clear that if the town's getting that money, there shouldn't be a need to get an additional uh percentage from us. More money. Correct. Mhm. Um because really the it's always been written into the law this way that that 3% is for any impacts that
our company is having on the town and you know I if there are impacts that we're having I'd love to know what they are. Um and and according to to the law and this this has always been the case um any costs that the town wants to assess on a retailer um there need to be
um documentation for it. You know it can't just kind of be imagine that it's in there. has there has to be sort of a receipt for it. Um and so like you know I'm not aware of many municipalities who've been able to produce the actual receipts and I think that's why you know there might be some
litigation that's still ongoing but that's why um the city of you know Cambridge gave the money back to retailers like they actually had paid it and then they gave it back. Same thing with the the town of you know city of Boston. It's like they gave all the money back to the companies because they got to a point where there wasn't solid
legal footing and um You know, at a certain point, it's hard to have people operating a business when um you know, you just don't know what the liability is hanging over your head. And both of the businesses offer full-time employment. You have full and part-time staff. Can you talk about that? Yeah, we have I mean, we have
about um I think we're almost 19 or 20, you know, full-time employees. Um, and uh, it's uh, uh, you know, and I think in terms of like growing the business, we're trying to to add delivery and like we kind of view that as, you know, it's
going to grow our business, but the nice thing about it is the town of Swamps Gut gets to grow with us. And, you know, um, it's uh, um, I don't know. I I personally like the the thought of we're kind of in this together, we we grow together. Um, and
if you know there are impacts that we've had that you feel like we owe a couple hundred thousand dollars, like we're we're ready to have the conversation, but it's um it seems unfair to us that to try to have that conversation in two years when all of a sudden it feels like the legal footing has changed. Um, and
quite frankly, my opinion is that KP Law um intentionally takes positions on these issues um that allows them to generate more billable hours. And um you know if you run a law firm it gener generates a lot of revenue for you but
if you're a small operator it's kind of sucks. Um um so would it be sorry I was gonna say would it be fair to say if you if this is removed and there's more certainty in your business model that you would maybe be able to make more
realistic donations annually because you understand that the impact that impact is not on the table anymore and you're not sort of it's not looming. Totally. And you can factor in certain other contributions to the town if you wanted to. Well, when you made your business
model, you knew that there is you knew that there was 3% in addition on the other 3%. You already knew that. So, you baked it into your business model. We didn't collect the money. Um, so I guess part of me thinks it's already in
your it's already in your model. You know what it's there. You could escrow escrow it. If there's any chance that the state is going to turn around and and leave that in there and then we leave ourselves vulnerable of not being
able to collect it, that would be the issue that I would have. But yes, we can get guidance from KP Law on it because I would also like to understand the definition of community impact and how we have to prove that and facilitate that. if it's not if it's not
even something that we have in the community then it makes sense to remove it. So I would like to just understand some deficits involved and again I would add too that you know the the point of this process is to be a negotiation and um you know I think something we're
bringing to the table is that there's 4 I think 25 retailers across the state. There's only 20 of us who can bring you that additional percent. And that's not for the the HCA fees are limited for eight years and they're over. This is
forever. Um, you know, I I would argue somebody, you know, bringing you an offer to the table, I'd take the percent forever rather than kind of trying to, I don't know, nickel and dime in the past. Um, my personal belief,
uh, Pete Duggestino, he's representing um, Kix Peak or Community Cannabis. He's actually online. I'm not sure if he had his hand raised, so I don't know if he wanted to add anything to to the discussion. Oh yeah, you can allow him to speak.
Who's he with? He's with the other. Good evening, Madam Chair. Can you hear me? Okay. Yes. Thank you so much for the time. I heard the board's discussion and I hope maybe I can provide some light. My name just for the record, my name is Peter
Dastino. Uh I'm from TEX Strategies. We represent local cannabis. We been working with the town of spons since the beginning um of their time here as you know um being a tenant of the town we've had quite a bit of engagement um just to
the host community agreement uh the community impact piece specifically I I do think these and I I encourage you to seek council certainly but just just so the board is here with some understanding these are two separate conversations so one is relative to the
previous community impact whether or not the town at some point could potentially collect those. There's have been a couple of out of court settlements with towns in which they returned the money and then a couple of voluntary returns of the money in the cases the Turkey
journey just offered. So that that matter is still open for discussion with the town. I think what's before the board tonight is the new host community agreement that would comply with the changes that were enacted under chapter 180. Um, and just so just so the board's
aware, under chapter 180, the town is by law expressly prohibited from collecting a set 3% fee. However, what is in this agreement still is that if there are impacts to the town, you can um provide
documentation of those impacts and recover that money up to 3% of the gross sales. So for and that is in agreement and the town is protected with that. Uh and I heard the chairwoman ask how that works. The way that works is the town incurs the expense. They document the
expense and at the end of our annual license period uh in this agreement it says we have to notify you when our license is about to expire and then you provide us the copy of the receipts and then we pay them. So that process is
captured in the agreement before you tonight. That process aligns directly with the amendments to 94G that were accomplished under chapter 180. That is a separate discussion from the discussion about the prior community
impact fees. So those are separate matters and this this agreement does not address the prior uh community impact fees. This addresses the community impact fees going forward. Uh and as drafted by K law it complies with the
current limitations under the law. So, if you were, just by way of example, to say we want to leave the mandatory 3% fee in there, uh, the CCC will reject it and just send it back to the town because that is now expressly prohibited by law. So, I'm just trying to help
provide some color to the board. I'm very very familiar with this issue. I'm happy to speak to it in an objective way. Um, but it's I'm just trying to fabricate it hopefully so the board can, you know, digest them as separate matters because they they truly are. That's very helpful and sounds different
to me now. I mean, one thing is helpful is about what the agreement has been and whether or not you know the the cases get adjudicated and how that plays out that's separate from going forward and then the going forward now sounds like
even the base 3% is that require receipts. No. So the base 2% just to be clear is a local excise tax. So the money the money you were talking about relative to the
3% that Marsy was referencing here. So that's an excise tax paid at the register as point of sale by the consumer. Uh that money is paid directly to do on the regular sales tax and the town receives that 3% excise tax in a
dollar for dollar reimbursement. So there's no you know that may go anywhere else other than town. So Turkey Journey certainly has been paying 3% local cannabis has been paying 3% by way of an excess tax that's paid to do and then
reimburse to the town. That is continuing for the laws not changed. The town's been receiving that money since day one open these operations and will continue to receive that money. So that is strictly a local excite tax enacted
under the statute. The 1% uh the Turkey Journey was talking about is an additional benefit the town gets by hosting a social equity company. I applaud Turkey Journey for that. You know they've been a great uh business in town certainly. So so those those monies
have all been paid to do. Whether or not you've received them, I certainly couldn't speak to that. But but that's an excise tax and and that money the town has received since day one and will continue to receive. Totally separate in part is this idea of community impact fee which we then further have to
bifrocate into the prior community impact fee and then go forward from it says chapter 180 of the act of 2022. So I I I hope I'm happy to answer any questions but there really is almost three buckets of money. Um which the same bucket but divided in two periods
of time. One prior to 2022 and one. Thank you. I find that to be very helpful. Yes. Um appreciate the feedback there. And then just additional change from um the kick peak proposal um is the hours that we're listing in here. The uh
business would like to change them from 8:00 a.m. to 1000 p.m. Saturday to Friday. um although they don't open till 9 but they wanted to be able to have an opportunity to be able to receive deliveries in the earlier time or um you know be open a little bit later and then
the Sunday hours stay the same. So it's on page um 8 of 16 under Sure. Please. Uh so we're proposing change hours. It's actually set seven days a week with the Saturday and Friday schedule. We did that um primarily
because of how the uh agreement is drafted. So it it limits our ability to even distribute marijuana during outside of business hours. And so we need the expanded hours in order to bring in inventory um and potentially transfer it to other stores, whatever the case may
be. So it wouldn't it wouldn't necessarily be the consumers, but the way that the agreement was presented to us by KB law um the distribution of marijuana falls within those same what they consider hours of operation. We were and the reason so we don't tend to
open um on a regular basis during those hours. It would just be to facilitate the operation of the business and we always say that because that's how it was defined in the agreement. I would ask also the board to consider we we would like to and the reason we add is Sunday as we certainly receive could
receive or have to send out shipments on Sunday but more importantly on Sundays prior to Monday holidays it would be helpful if we could have like hours on that on that one Sunday so those were the two main reasons behind the request
it isn't that we intend to go to fulltime operations during those hours it was to operate the business during those hours um for the conditions I just mentioned. I'm on page eight of what I have here. It doesn't have the hours you
just speak. Do you have the Kix proposal or we looking at Tarpine Journey? No, we're only talking about um Tarpine Journey today. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's why. Sorry about that. No worries. I think I'm looking at 16
pages. Kale's Peak page eight. Page eight. Does it There's I operation under under hours of operation. Do you have that? Yeah. But it says 9:00 a.m. through 10 p.m. Monday
through Saturday. Yes. and 11:00 a.m. to 6 p.m. on Sundays. And the request is to to be from 8 a.m. to That's what I'm saying. The new hours are not in here. That's correct. That's I brought that to your attention just that was my my So that would be a change that we would see on the next and TP journey they're
keeping the hours the same. It's similar Monday through Saturday from 9 to 9:55 and then on Sundays from 11 to 5:55. So the hours are 555. Yeah. if effectively we present it that way to
the customers so that they don't expect to show up at like 10 on the dot and and have it open but it's effectively till 10. Yeah. And this like Sunday you So is there any
issue with like loud trucks Sunday morning with Kaix Peak or anything like that that we need to be worried about with the neighbors right behind there? It's smaller. It's the delivery trucks are smaller trucks. It's not an 18 only that brings the equipment in. So I don't maybe for a holiday weekend. You know what it is? So you know what they're
delivering? But so what are their what are their So what are their hours right now on Sunday? Is it the 11 11 11 to 6 is their hours right now? They want to go to 8 8 a.m. 11 to 6 on Sunday and that's not changing. So the only that's not changing. Sorry. Sunday is not changing.
Never mind. Uh Pete, correct me if I'm wrong, but the proposal is to amend the hours. I would almost recommend to consider this as well because if you look at the out operation paragraph that you were just referencing, if you read the
beginning of that paragraph, it includes a specific scope of work uh that we're allowed to conduct during those hours. And so what we're maybe let me say this way um retail hours differ from hours of
operation. The way the way this agreement is drafted, those hours are hours of operation. meaning we technically could not receive product outside of those hours. We would prefer to receive them maybe before the customers come in or something to that
effect. So retail hours and hours of operation because of how this agreement drafted different. So what we're suggesting is to expand the hours of operation meaning the hours that we may operate the business recognizing we are not at this time change our retail hours
and our retail hours are five minutes different than charities. We can't include the full hour, but I do appreciate the approach certainly. So, our retail hours, we're not proposing to change this. Our hours of operation, given the way the agreement is drafted,
I I suggest should be amended and possibly for turkey journey as well. So, they could take deliveries outside of their retail hours, but that's certainly their decision. We like the extra hour sleep. Love it. That was the primary reason for
the request. We don't we're not proposing to change our retail hours at this point, but we would need some additional flexibility for hours of operation given how they drafted. So, and certainly we could talk to KP law talk about retail hours if uh Nicole's more comfortable addressing that way.
We're open that discussion, but it's drafted. Our suggestions need to be amended to allow for us to operate the business. Okay. Any additional comments or discussion? The only issue I have with changing hours is this affects this affects a
residential area and you know do the people in the residential area know about that? Have they had the opportunity to come up? Very fortunate if you were uh part of the process is we went through as you may remember there was an old gas station slash convenience store liquor
store there and we went through the process of demolishing that building and building an entirely new building. Um and I will say we've had an incredibly relationship with our neighbors. We did that project right in the middle of their neighborhood uh with I don't think Mars can correct me wrong. I don't
believe we received a complaint even during construction. Uh we installed a very high solid vinyl fence. We had no complaints of trespass, no issues with customers or deliveries. The deliveries point are typically a sprinter van or smaller. Um, so we don't see Envision
this impacting the neighborhood in any way or form, especially in light of the 6'5 offense that separates us from the neighborhood. They wouldn't even see that nice and they don't now. So, we don't we don't see the impact of the neighbors here. Uh, and again, we're not suggesting changing the customer access,
so to speak. It's really just a reflection of how KP. That's that's what we're responding to. And then just one additional point is that Chirping Journey will be seeking a delivery license. Um and we will have a neighborhood or public meeting tomorrow
at Recharts at 7 p.m. And we'll be recording it as well. So if folks can't make it, you'll get a transcript and kind of recording of that and we'll share it. Yeah. Via the normal channels to the town. Very good. So, I think one thing while
we're here tonight, you should just make it really public because when originally Marzy said asked me about delivering, I was like, "What are you crazy?" But after talking to a number of people, it's every everyone I've spoke to thinks
it's a great idea. And you know, I just think that some of the things that there's a locked or there's a special type of a box in the vehicle. The vehicle doesn't have like logos on it. you have the the person delivering has a body camera and you have to take
identification. So there's so many precautions and we received the additional revenue from the sales. So even sales outside of the town, let's say the surrounding communities, we will get the uh the proceeds from the sale, right? So it just seems like it's a a win-win. I did meet considering we
deliver liquor, I don't see how this is I did meet with um Chief Casada as well today to go over our written SOPs. So, he's kind of in the loop as well about what it will look like for the town. And I did also check with um with the police department about boat facilities or boat
operators to see if there were any unusual calls to the to the um addresses or if there were any reports of anything and there was none. I think I shared I think I shared that with Yeah, you did. And and since since we're interested in revenue uh and revenue growth, you know,
what type of you know, how do you envision this shaping your you know, the business? How do how do you how do you envision this? Yeah. What's the what's the revenue impact? Yeah, I mean I think for us it'll be fairly small. Um at best I think it'll increase our
revenue by like 20%. And that's the best case scenario. And the reason I think it'll be kind of limited is because um we're sort of limited by our vault space. And right now our vault is mostly at capacity. So, um, you know, we definitely have room to sell more, but
you know, we're kind of going to be kind of limited by just the physical space of how much product we can keep on site. Um, but I think, you know, we're going to give it a shot. And I think if, you know, all goes well, you know, we'll go for that 20%. And then maybe we'll try have to find another spot in the swamp
Scott to get more storage space so we can, you know, keep expanding it. Excellent. Good. Very good. Okay. appreciate your um coming tonight, both of you. Thank you very much. And um there's some motions on the table. We'll
move on to the next topic. Thank you. I just I just want to know what are we doing as far as getting information out. I I do want to hear what the neighbors of Pine Street have to say about changing hours. not your area because you're in a you're not in a residential
area, but this is a residential area and I just want to make sure that neighbors have every opportunity to weigh in. Okay. Well, you know what? We're going to have we're going to hold a meeting anyways for that neighborhood so we can absolutely mention it. No, the meeting with Benet Brit that's the same
neighborhood design. Well, you have a double meeting, but I think it's more Curry Circle that's impacted than Pine Street probably because that's where the trucks But what Pete said is there's a six foot tall fence not
even 18er. Yeah. And there's not been one complaint thus far. So let's um let's definitely inform the public of the change and allow them the space for feedback. But hopefully they'll be understanding. Thank you and thank you Marzy for helping.
Thank you. Appreciate. Thank you very much. Speaking of patience, we have Officer Re with us. Hi. He's been here for quite some time. No worries. Appreciate it. How are you? Um, great. Uh, for
discussion and possible vote on the recommend the recommended changes to Elm Place, Burpy Road, Kings Beach Terrace, Norfolk A, and Middle Sex A, and Burl Street. Take it away. Uh, where would you like me to start first? Well, let's start
with Elm Place because we've we've been here, done that, right? We've we've had this conversation. Yes, we have. Um, so Elm Place um as previously just previously discussed um would be recommending for one way entering from the Westcot side
exiting through the Burpee Road side of Elm Place with traffic. Um as we discussed at the the um community engagement meeting um it was presented by the residents of the area.
We looked into it like uh we spoke with all of the residents carried it forward. So um we definitely would be in support of that moving forward. One of the things that we would like to make an order of is the parking signs on the
exit side of Elm Place. Um there is some shrubbery and brush that need to be manicured that would allow better viewpoint of the signs. Um there specific areas of parallel parking. Um
it they've been washed out, they've been faded. So just some of the replacements as well as Mr. Crest and I had did did speak about this a little bit about possibly eliminating a spot at the very end of the exit entering onto Essex Street. uh it just could po it could
definitely pose a problem for traffic pulling out. Okay. Um so I think with DPW looking at that and making the proper measurements as opposed to for exiting the street onto the traffic, they could make the postings um much
more uh obvious, I think. Okay. Yes, Mr. Oxarine. Uh so you had mentioned, you know, needing to trim some of the shrubbery or bushes or what have you. Is that on private property or is that on town owned? I don't know. Uh I I don't I don't know the the what what lines where
um as far as the the town but that's just your recommendation from a from a safety perspect. Yes, sir. Got it. Okay. Thank you. And just so is there any any resistance any drawback just on that elm place oneway parallel parking just to make
sure we've reflected? No. And what it would allow would just be for for people and residents to park in the area. Um it would make the traffic flow more efficiently. So if we're parking if you're parking angular against the um
the gym that's right there, the swamp um where the wall leads up to Essex Street. Cars taking that lefthand turn through this horseshoe could have trouble depending on the size of the vehicle coming around
as the the cars are sticking their tail ends into the roadway. At this particular point, there's already signs there that stipulate parallel parking. We're just suggesting that they be more obvious. Um, and again, it would come back to the police department to monitor
and uh initiate any citations that might need to be presented. Um, we just want to be as upfront and obvious with the restrictions in the area and stick with the original pattern that's there. And this came as a suggestion from the residents, but have
any of the businesses been um spoken to or have you have we had any? I've spoken um I've spoken with with Burks. I've talked to some of the the people there, but other than that, there has not been any resistance. Right. Uh and there is no other business in the area. Yeah. for
the the storage. Yeah. And the they would be exiting anyway. So there's no Okay. Uh that that's the general flow of the traffic as it moves through that street. Um so why don't we take these in individual motions that way if anything
so I would entertain a motion. Motion to approve own place one way parallel parking in a second. Second. All in favor? I I Okay, great. Moving on to Burpee Road one way. Um, at this time we
are suggesting that we hold a community meeting just like we had with the Westcot project. Um, I put some information in the the memo that I had sent to you, but we have um about a month's worth of data from
the past few weeks where there's only been about 14,000 cars 14 to 15,000 that have traveled on that road. Um, there hasn't been any conversation with anybody outside of Burpee Road up into the higher precincts, Windsor,
Foster, Elwin, Vaughn, Har. I mean, there's so many so many streets up there. Uh, I think the infrastructure of those streets would bear a lot of weight by the additional change in traffic. However, I need to be perfectly clear. I
am not a traffic engineer. So I also think it would be very prudent of the town to decide if an engineering company would be sufficient to bring in to evaluate what might need to be constructed, moved, adjusted. That is not in my purview. I I don't see that.
That's why I would make a recommendation to hold it so that we can discuss it, find the data. Um I I wouldn't want to rush anything forward. What other options are there other than making that a oneway? What about the speed bump
speed issue or where the little bumps to speeding if that's the main concern? Mr. Cester and I also did talk about that. In my in my memo, I'm not moving that. It's not my my opinion. I'm not moving that forward. Right now, we're looking at a average speed of 24 miles per hour in
a 25 mile per hour zone. That was a school zone area, so it would have been 20. Um the time of day does come into play depending that we we see more traffic in a higher volume earlier in the morning.
That could have something to do with the schools. We don't we can't track license plates. We can only track the vehicles that pass through the speedboard sign and that is coming down the hill towards Essex Street, not going up. Um, so it would
be if they wanted to put the speeds in there, uh, the speed bumps in there. Um, I think it I think Mr. Crest, we talked about finding the median, the middle point from Bueno Vista to Essex Street and line it in the middle, which would
be roughly about where the speed sign is. I think I think it's because the whole point here is to is because of the speed issue, right? That's why we're considering making it a oneway So, but there's really not a speed issue, right? Well, there's a perception of a speed issue. And if it's 24, it's
pretty close, right? So, you have residents that are asking for these speed bumps, pillows, whatever you want to call them. They're temporary. Why don't we just put it in there? Let's give it a shot. And that's for you. I'm I'm going either way. I'm I'm I'm not
advocating or just not advocating. I'm just saying in my opinion with what the data I have. I'm just presenting it because of what I've read. I don't feel in my opinion it's true. But by all means the No, the speed limit is 25 but it would have been 28 when it was a school zone. But this is the difference
between perception and actual data. So the perception is speeding and you're saying the speed pillows might hump that hump that uh fix that. Speed humps might help that. But if the data is coming back that there isn't speeding, you're saying it's close because The average is
24 to 25. I mean, I I just think that I've heard from someone on Foster and someone on Elwin who are adamantly against making this a oneway because of the rrooting that they would be required to do on a
daily basis. So, I don't want to overburden residents if we haven't tried something else. And I've heard Buena I've had two two people from Buena Vista have that would be the cut have called and said that you know they're panicked
about a oneway if appeasing it to put speed bumps the temporary speed bumps like we had talked about Mr. Crest if that's something that would help let's just try it see what the data presents after we put them in we can do we can do a balanced effect between them we have the ones from such an app
because they don't want them anymore because of the amount of noise it makes so to go over them right because I mean we may say that the average is 24 and of the vehicles over 25 they average 28 that's 85% of them but there's
another 15% how fast are they going well could be that one and that 15 and that 15% comes in through obviously the 100% total. You have some vehicles that are hitting possibly 30, but you have others that are dropping even below the 20 or
24 depending on what we're looking at. So that 15% margin goes either way. It's almost like a it's a skew. So right, but there could be a couple at 40 or 50 and that's really what's well does the data. We haven't you have never seen a car crest over street to go on. God bless
them. And you're just measuring the downhill. You're measuring the downhill and and one of the things that has significantly dropped that is the stop sign coming the double stop sign Jesse and Buen a Vista has a significant impact on the travel through. I'm not
dismissing anybody's perception about what they're observing while they're there. Um, I'm just presenting. We have a former select board member who is adamant about a speed bump and pillow, whatever you want to call it. The
temporary ones would just Yeah, I think it's a good test. Like I said, if if this could we if we could just make this note that we put in the temporary speed bump, right? Have a community meeting at some later point. Mhm. I can work on collecting the
data from the speed bump time. Yep. Compare it to the data that we have before the speed bump. And if it works, great. And if it doesn't, then perfect. Let's option. That sounds like a great logical idea. I think it's definitely going to work because the speed bump's right in front of the speedboard.
Well, and also too, I do think the speedboard has had an impact because just now you're now you're more cognizant. It's it's right in your mind. We we did a uh a significant increase in traffic enforcement in the area. Um we
produced some very very positive results educationally in a sense. Um and it it it's just about the communication delivering the the directive what's necessary. So that's great. I you guys can vote and get it done. I don't think
we don't need to vote on a a speed bump going in. So, no, just put it in. All right. Just put it in within your purview, Gina. You've heard the will of the board. Because when are the when are the new signs going to be up for resident parking? Yeah, I got to get totally honest with you. We haven't
audited those yet. A lot of those tomorrow. Is that number three you're on? Kings Beach Terrace. Do you know is there somebody um outside of you who could order those signs because it feels like that might be a better job for somebody else. Somebody else in case you know there's other things
for you to do probably. So that's just replacing the signs for Kings Beach Terrace. Is that what number three is? Yes, number three. Kings Beach Terrace. A couple of the residents have brought it to us as well. Um, we had worked through social media to put out a
information request about people in areas to if you're noticing your traffic signs, your street signs being washed out, hard to read, notify us. Notify Cclick Fix, notify DPW. So, this was a result of that. Um, it came to my desk.
So, I met with some of the people in the neighborhood. Um, again, I was able to speak with Mr. Cresta about it, brought him up to speed on helping uh replace some of these signs and put it on the memo because I figured we'd bring it forward because it was a topic for
discussion. The signs I were I was talking about was President Park, but I'll make the whole audit now. Okay. Thank you. So, motion to motion to approve uh the recommendation for replacing uh parking signs on King's Beach Terrace. Second. I don't think so. I don't think we need to vote for I mean
we can but I don't think we need to vote for signs or additions of signs. I don't even think we need to vote for the addition of a handicap parking space. We already did last meeting that was discussed at our fir last meeting with the Westcot where a handicap space two
spaces on Burl Street. One would be by Dy Circle. The second one would be at the crosswalk on the opposite uh in front of the other handicap spot at the library. At the library. Yeah, we
already that's already done. We already moving along. So, I think we are all set to move to Fisherman's Beach if that's okay with you. I did have one other I'm not sure if you start the Norfolk A. Is that part of the ability to replace
signs that we do not need to vote to do that and we are in support if that's the recommendation you make. Excellent. That is one. Thank you. Fisherman's Beach. Um yes, members of the uh harbor ma uh members of the police department uh
myself with Lieutenant Waters, the harbor master were contacted by some of the harbor advisory committee to discuss options for parking at the Fisherman's Beach lot. um it was brought to our attention about the the parking lot itself um being overrun to use other
people's words. Um we did see some agreement in that and did meet with them multiple times to talk about mitigating some of this. We did come up with a handful of solutions. Um they are as follows. Um to add recreational parking signs inside the parking lot, inside the
parking lot only. um a more robust do not enter sign as you're exiting. Um I can attest to it as well that there has been a significant amount of people who think that that is a U a u lot a U-shaped lot that they can enter and exit on both sides. Um just for the mere
fact that we wanted want to create consistency and safety to allow it on occasion. There are boat owners who for the ease of using their trailer to back into the ramp, it does make it easier
coming in in the reverse direction so that they can pull out to the front and then back down the ramp as opposed to making a Uturn in the square of Humphrey and Puritan. Um that has all worked out with members of the SYC
um having seen it multiple times. They're very cautious. They utilize safety as a priority. So I don't see it being an issue otherwise. Just wanted to have that point not um point noticed. Um
also we would need it's been it's been asked and requested by the harbor master to have a specific harbormaster spot dedicated spot right to the ramp. um so that we can gain immediate access in the event of an emergency upon
arrival. Employee passes will be given by the SYC with the approval of the Harbor Master and Police Department. Uh they do use that spot. There are the launch drivers that come in. So much like a visitor parking pass, your launch driver shows up, he needs a place to
park. he can park in the lot for the day while he goes to work, turns the pass in, and then off they go. Um, commercial fishermen registered in Swampcott shall receive a pass to use the lot while
they're working hours. Any registered boat owner with a mooring in Swamcott Harbor will be able to use their boat registration to get a pass for the lot. If there is a function with the SYC,
they will make the appropriate notifications to the police department in a timely manner in advancement so that when there there is a group of guests that are coming in, they know that they'll be able to use the lot and the other street, the other parking spaces um as needed to accommodate any
other guests. It also was brought up that there will be a liaison assigned with the SYC that will be monitored uh monitoring all the trailers that are stickered, registered and owned by the mooring
owners that use the Philips Park lot so that we will have a consistent communication on the trailers that are allowed in the lot and those that aren't. Any that aren't will then be working with myself and DPW to make
contact and removal if necessary. Those are empty trailers, not boat storage. Those are the ones during the summer season that they drop the boat in the boat storage. They leave it. It's not a It's not a permanent storage. It's just while the boats are in the water. They have to be out of it. I believe on
October 15th we say and I had the message board put up there for the past week saying illegally stored trailers will be towed at that owner's expense. Okay. People are taking advantage. Has that happened? No. Have we told anything? We haven't told anything. We haven't told anything. And has has uh
there's only a handful of trailers there. Okay. Has the SYC been also the leazison also been notified that we're going to do that? That way if they know any of the trailers in the lot, they were included in in these multiple meetings. So they
are everything that's being presented has been discussed with them. Great. This is this is again I'm just the conduit to bring this forward. Appreciate it. As well as Harbor Waterfront, they have unanimously voted. Yeah. Harbor V Harbor waterfront is on waterfront. So
volume few questions. Um, so you know, with making this a recreation parking uh, lot, how is this going to work with social members at the SYC since we do have members that are from Marblehead, from Lynn, from Salem? Um, how is it going to impact parking for local
businesses? Um, because I know that I know that that is used certainly for Nord Haven and for uh, and for other local businesses in the area. And one of the issues that you know that that I've noticed over the years has really just been overnight parking. Yes. Uh that's
not from having a couple a couple pops at a at a restaurant leaving your car. It's really the long-term habitual correct parking. And and even to add that to commercial parking as well. It's become an advertisement lot. Um so from
my understanding to to answer your questions to start first with the social members. Um the SYC will along with their employee passes um they'll they will also have visitor passes. Now mind you, we're not there's no infringement
upon the parking on Humphrey Street itself. Yep. It has also been brought to our attention that this is the only beach that does not have restricted access for Swampscott residents. what has been presented has been a lot
of people would try to go up show up to use it and it's blanketed with unknown vehicles. So, if there's a designated area that is I think there's 27 or or 30 spots in that lot that are wreck parking, someone who has a wreck sticker
that feels like using Fisherman's Beach for the day knows that they can come down to Fisherman's Beach and use that beach just like they would for Phillips and Preston um and Eisman's at the Phillips Park lot. Um the other considerations and things
that we also did to mitigate to consider the commercial businesses New Haven um and I I know quite a people will park in this area and walk down all of the the parking on Humphrey Street will remain the same. So by working on keeping it
wreck parking for the beaches that would stay within that signage. Um, again, there can be any type of amendment where if you're looking to have an hourly sign for it that recer parking
from the fishermen show up at 4:00 a.m. Ultimately, that's what they're kind of looking for. They want to be protected. They know that um they got to get in there. They got to drop their their trucks, bait, move traps, etc. They're they're there. They are there early. Um,
so to help prevent some of that overnight parking or to know who is actually parking there, we can track this through the rec stickers. Um, it gives them an opportunity. We didn't want to push out any further on some suggestions. We had
given the the guys to we got to consider the businesses. We don't want to impact them. We know that there's street parking that's outed. We want to help out everybody. We also need to focus on this beach parking and help give the access to the people that are paying
their their mooring fees and their dues and their their part to the town through their their boating aspect, giving them an opportunity to come in and use that space as well. So, was there I'm sure there was um consideration made to just limiting it to no commercial parking, no
overnight parking rather than changing it to recreational parking. Well, with a recreational sticker, you're only allowed to have a residential if I'm I think I'm correct on this. I'm not sure. I don't think commercial vehicles can get a recreational sticker or a resident
sticker. No, no, I understand. But instead of going so far as to make it recreational and then limit it to only residents or any other carve route we make, was there a consideration to go a little less far and just say, okay, the issue is commercial vehicles, right? So,
commercial vehicles parking there too long. So, you just say no commercial parking and then no overnight parking uh in the lot at all and then that would alleviate the issue of the 4 a.m. fisherman's coming in and not having
parking. Maybe I might suggest a um a phased approach and see if doing that helps the issues and then if it doesn't then we could go all the way to wreck only and see. But it just feels like that's I understand what you're
trying to accomplish and this will accomplish it, but is there a way we can accomplish it without removing public access to the beach for non-residents? Yeah, I'm tracking with you, Katie. And I guess it just goes back to like what level of kind of assessment of
where exactly does the problem surface, you know? I mean, we can't have I can't imagine at 4 a.m. people are pulling in there and the whole lot is full. Um, right. I mean, I know there's some vehicles that are there overnight, longterm, a few of them, but you know,
I'm down there at 7 a.m. a lot and you know, there's a plenty of space. Um, so I'm just trying to figure out like when really is the issue we're trying to solve. It was full at 10 o'clock this morning. The feedback every 10 o'clock, right? That and that's
this the beautiful days is when it's going to be full. But then Okay, but that's so we're really talking about a a midish day beach day. Not necessarily. That's just one. I'm just I'm just specifying one example of the 4 a.m. start for the fisherman. Yeah, they do come and go. And I'm not a commercial
fisherman. I'm not going to to try to put out their timeline of events and what their daily operations are like. Um, but I I have had calls about what can you guys do about the parking and we can't do anything. And again, we wanted
to listen to all of their concerns to be able to bring things forward because I I do think they're valid. Um, I also appreciate about not restricting and and not creating so much of it to where we want to invite
public the out oftowners, if you want to call it that, or whomever to come to the beach. I I completely understand with that. in the same breath, then why are we res why do we have wreck parking at all of the other beaches? Right. The other piece too is I've been getting
feedback that people are multiple cars are meeting in that parking lot. People are leaving their cars and getting into one car and actually commuting. Like this is a like spot where people are car pooling. They're leaving their cars there. They're getting into one car and
they're driving into work. Almost like a ride share system. Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. And you know, but and I I think to Kevin's point, we do have these requirements at every other beach. Why would we not have it at Fisherman's? I mean, this is really, we are a beach town and this is why our
residents pay what they pay to live here. Why wouldn't we give them that first preference type of situation at Fisherman's like we would, you know, Eisman's or any other where we require that? I agree with you, but just considering the proximity it is to the
Humphrey Street area and to the Fish House and to other areas that require more public parking and the lack of parking in that area, not just a residential area that has a beach. That I understand, but I'm just trying
to see if if we're trying to solve for X, can we do do we have to go all the way just to start or can we just try a more measured approach? see if what that solves the problem or what that doesn't. I mean, even
putting timed parking closer to the fish house, like say two-hour parking or something like that, that would move if if we're if we have space for commuters, move them over, and then that allows the fishermen closer access to the water, which is what they need, and their lockers and
things like that. So, I'm just trying to think creatively on how we could solve the problem without going all the way to this lot is no longer public because I'm thinking about sometimes I park there and walk to dockside, sometimes I park there and walk the beach, sometimes I park there and now I have a wreck sticker so I can do that but not
everybody does and not everybody is using that lot for beach purpose but is still enjoying not sitting on the beach but beach beach access like walking all the way down to Red Rock and back and you know so I just don't want want to limit access. I want people to be able
to enjoy the open spaces that we have, not just Swampscout residents, but other residents, too, who come in and spend money here and spend time here. So, I see that more partial to residents. I think that it might be important to bring the harbor advisory committee and
the fishermen in because they offered to come. I have heard I've also heard and and I can't be 100% committed to this fact that they have a deed right to all of that land. They have a deed right to all that land plus the land basically to Dr. PL's
office. The deed is it's actually called a reservation and the deed says it's for Boers, bthers and fishermen. That's what it says. Boers and fishermen. So who has that deed? Sorry. Oh, it's an I have a
copy of that. No, no, Billy. But who who is it entrusted to? The fisherman. The fisherman. So, it's just a deed to fisherman of swamp. And they it's from I I have very I think it's intricate background on it, but from what I understand and one of
the things that they have professed was that they could take that lot because at one point that's where they used to store all of their fishing gear. All of their lobster traps were there. They made an agreement, I don't
know when, to not keep their lot, their traps there. They would store them over at the Philips park lot. No, they would. The agreement, the agreement was that they would take their traps and put them into the building into the fish house. Right. It's something to do with the fish. But nonetheless, the traps were
agreed to not be left in the lot so that people could use the lot. They're just looking to get requirements and restrictions to make sure that they can come and go. Um, I think I I don't know if the hours would be beneficial because their hours are based on the title change. Okay. Um,
I appreciate your open-mindedness, your your um brainstorming on it. So, I do just to to carry it forward, I think that they should probably be in the room to get a little bit more in depth with what is here. I would not I think it
would be I would be remiss if I kept speaking to try to advocate for something that they were well thank you in in fairness too it wasn't just the fishermen right so there were nine members of Harbor Waterfront and they all felt the same way um so I think it I
think it's a bigger thing than just the fisherman piece but yeah and I just want to express this happens a lot when things get brought to us right they get brought to us in a certain lens and then we try to we're not I'm not nobody's trying to pick it apart right we're all just trying to say Was this thought about? Was this thought about? Can we
get to a dig a better place or a different place without going this? So happy to have them here for the conversation um in the next meeting and then we can um make a recommendation on what happens in that lot. You know, I think one thing that is really really
critical is like for me the priority will always be a resident res residence and um you know asking for first I'd like to have a definition of what is a commercial fisherman. So does that mean that you know I can go and get a commercial license tomorrow and I do
know I do have some knowledge just from that conversation with that and what they and the requirements that's necessary for them about paying taxes being able to pull a certain amount of catch. Yep. Returning that to a sale for a sale, having commercial receipts from
a a registered buyer, right? Um so there are a lot of um checks and balances for them. Um but Right. So and then the other question is um Swam Yach Club employees. Swamp Scott Yach Club is a
private is a private club that um I just I would not be in favor of, you know, of taking away parking for a Swam resident for a Swamp Scott yach club employee. Um
well, the mindset behind that is that they often have events there where they have maybe DJs, they have bartenders, they have catering staff. If those people can't get in to actually park somewhere and do whatever they're doing inside the yacht club, then that like is
a detriment to them. They also hold youth fundraisers. They hold uh you know residents first communion. The sip and shop from Hadley was held there. There's a lot of good there's a lot of stuff that they wave fees for for nonprofits. So, we can have a more robust
conversation about it, but right now they could fill that whole lot if they wanted because it's open, right? So it's it's only because they're agreeing to the restriction that they're then saying or that they're on board with the restriction that they're saying like one spot. I mean they're not looking for
like five spots or anything like that. I think it was a one placard or you know to use as a temporary thing if they have a vendor coming in to you know so that they can access the facility. Yeah. I will say I think the issue is during
the day the do not enter sign Yeah, that don't wait. Yeah, let's just do that. No, I think you didn't you put something up there. There's a There's a small There was a It's in We We have a It's in a It's in a bucket. A cemented bucket. I
think we need something more robust. Robust as you say. I've seen a several several I've seen personally several almost accidents. Oh, yeah. It's just not a great spot for Absolutely. And people will fill that lot all the way to that very side. If you come in and you
don't necessarily see somebody coming, you're in trouble. You're going to have a collision there. So, there used to be one on the post. It's been hit more times. That's why it's in the bucket. So, um please go forth and put signs up for do not enter help designate that in
any way possible. and we will invite um leazison from the harbor waterfront and the SYC and anybody else who'd like to join in the conversation next fisherman fish the commercial fisherman can send a brief sure would you come to
the mic though because I'm sure folks at home would like to hear your very brief commentary also thank you I appreciate it so just from the perspective of the harbor waterfront committee thank you for presenting that Detective Waters uh Officer Waters came to our meeting last month and gave a great summary of that.
I was uninvolved with the conversations with officer Re. So this is just from my perspective as a harbor waterfront member. The reason why the swamps yach club was uh had communicated from my understanding about the need for the parking placards for a couple of spots wasn't necessarily I mean the vendors
and stuff that's all helpful but predominantly was because of issues with launch drivers not being able to access the launch in a timely manner. That might seem like not a big issue for a lot of folks. If they're late, they got to go find a new parking spot. They get down there, they're a little late, whatever. But a lot of the times, um, officer can correct me if I'm wrong, but
a lot of the times when you're down there, you'll see the first person, there's something on the water, there's an issue, the first person that kind of gets outdoor or even gets the harbor master out to his boat or um, circulates the harbor for whatever might be going on. It's the launch driver. So ensuring
somebody's on the launch, they're the person who's down there 247 or at least during launch hours is able to access the boat and kind of be there because they're always going to be the first set of eyes on the water. This happened on Wednesday of last week where somebody called the police department saying they thought they saw a body fall off a boat
and I think the whole cavalry showed up and it was great um within like 90 seconds. Super helpful. Um but the launch driver was the person out there who was able to get the harbor master to his boat. He was circling the launch boat circling the harbor as well for about 90 minutes looking to evaluate the veracity of the claim. So a lot of it
was just to ensure that the launch driver who's doing this service to the club which is helpful but also does this kind of side benefit to the town is able to access the boat in a speedy and and quick manner so we're not waiting for somebody to you know find a parking spot in order to get out there. So just for
the context that was kind of the the reasoning and logic for that. The other thing we had talked about at our meeting at least the Harbor Waterfront meeting was the wreck parking from like 8 to 4 p.m. or something in order to not interrupt some of the restaurant to rely on that parking lot for parking during the evening hours. So that's a
consideration that was discussed at our meeting and something that at least from my perspective the committee was entirely open to. Just wanted to give you that context. I may not be here at your next meeting. So I just wanted to provide the context for your enlightenment over the next few weeks. Thank you so appreciate it.
Okay. So, we will circle back on this on the 18th on to the consent agenda. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you very much. Really appreciate your patience. You're leaving. You don't want to say you're welcome. You don't want to
ring the bell. Thank you. Okay. Does anybody have any issues with the consent agenda or do I have a motion? I just have one question on the on on the um I'm in favor of all these licenses,
these permits. I just would like to know what uh people are being charged for all these liquor licenses. Do we have that? Do we have that breakdown? So you're are you talking about the actual license? Yeah.
So for the actual license, yes, they're charged for the license. Do you know how much? What's the fee? That's that's my question. This is for a one day liquor license fee or $50. And do you know what it is? $50. I think it's Do you charge $50 for the
4th of July? That's all we charge. No, I think you're asking a different question. I think you're asking So there's a charge for the license, right? And some of them there's a charge to come to the event. Those are two separate things. Okay. So, those two separate charges. Okay. So, the question
I'm asking then is what is the charge for the event. Okay. So, for for coming to the farmers market, it's $20, right? Per time that you come. And for um
Fourth of July and the block party, it's 500 per beer garden. Are there multiple vendors in the garden? Yes, there's three at each one of one of those. Okay. And as I've stated before, the money that comes in
from for that, I use that money to help pay for the band and the um sound. Um you'll see that there's more there's more this year because we have more meeries that want to come to the farmers market.
They're not all coming on the same day. I spaced them all out so there wouldn't be three meteries there. Um a metery is someone who makes wine out of me. Um and then the a new regulation with
the state this year was that um breweries can come to farmers markets. So, I had um one brewery at the very beginning asked if he could come every single week and that was um Granite Coast. Um I then heard from a couple of others
and I was like, we're going to have to see how this works out because we don't want four four breweries there. And they're allowed to do samples. All of these at the farmers markets are allowed to do samples and then they can sell closed containers. So, they're not walking around with a beer while they're
at the farmers market. just two shots. And I I assume since you brought it up, since you opened the store, Daniel, uh I assume that they're required to provide ID for samples at the farmers
market. Yes. I make a motion to approve. My my only question before you make a motion, do um the block party. I think I asked Gino this. I might have asked you this. Is there any way we would consider not having it on a Saturday? The what? The
block party. I think we had we did go down that road because when we first started this whole thing, um um Monscior Mlofflin and I were not friends because he was so upset about the whole thing. He he preferred a Saturday to a Sunday.
We worked out a system so that they could get in for four o'clock mass. It also takes hours like a lot of hours to clear the street from all the cars, right? Um and then afterwards move everybody out so they
can open the roads again, right? So doing it on a Sunday would really affect the um the church, right? And I get that and I just What is the financial saying the setup and everything takes a lot? had some local businesses that weren't
like food related that had a huge problem with it being on a Saturday and I committed then to trying to not have them be affected and to try to get it on a Sunday. I completely understand Montenior Mclofflin but there are local
businesses there that aren't part of that right they they you know there's Barber Joe there's you know barber shops there's clothing tailor there's all kinds of things that those people that's a Saturday for them. That's I know. And I have heard from a couple of them and
the first year we did it. Um there were a few of them that just didn't understand what was going on and they were against Vololo was, you know, I sell pies. I don't sell slices. Well, he made a killing and now he's like all in. Um a couple of the other ones, too. Um
and you know, I tried to tell them just it's one day of the whole year. It's one Saturday. They only have about 50 of those Saturdays to make their business. So that one day, we all think it's one day, but that's a that's a big day out of their business. But but okay, say
take the barber shop. So if I went to Joe the barber, my husband goes to Joe the barber. Um they have this conversation, too. If I can't go that Saturday, am I just never going to go? But I pick another day to have my haircut. When you say you can't go,
well, you can still go in the morning. You can still go and park elsewhere and walk. I mean, I'm just saying it's like you can't. And maybe what we need to do is try to use the um the parking lot at
uh Hawthorne. Thank you very much. At Hawthorne more because we are using that for church parking at four o'clock. Um, we're also we let people know that's handicap parking too, so they can pull in for handicap parking there. So maybe
those couple of businesses um that are affected by that, we say, "Okay, you can tell your customers that they can park in there." Um, comprehension. Where does it where does it end for the block? Yeah. So does
it goes pretty far up, I think. So it's it's Readington Readington to Yeah, I'd say Doide. Yeah. Yeah. Engles Terrace, right? Dr. Plat right there. Um last year we did, but they closed it off all the way down
to um Greenwood. Greenwood Bay View Terrace. Yes. Greenwood Terrace. Bay View Terrace. Yeah. Bay View. Yeah. So they close it off. the police close it off down that far because you can't go any further. But they do allow people to come in to park, turn around and leave.
So they do allow that. So if we have signage and we get that information out that can help to facilitate those th those local businesses that may not directly benefit, but there's a so there'll be a path for them to to succeed on one of their 52 Saturdays. We
also see if there's we have a town golf cart or buggy or anything. You know what? The um police department has their buggy. Yeah. They're there the whole No, I mean for people for customers if there's an issue. Mhm. You bring a
wagon. I'm just I don't know if that's I don't I don't know if that would be a liability for the town to be shuttling people back and forth. No problem. That if they were in a golf cart or something and they fell out of it, you know, handicapped people, they'll go and get their haircut, something like that.
I think anything we can do to minimize to be helpful taking the loss. We we did make a suggestion last year. We did go to all the businesses that were open at the time and there were a couple that were happy with our ideas. Use it as an opportunity for them to market themselves. Maybe come up with a deal to
give away to patrons that day. You're probably getting more foot traffic down there than you are on a typical day. Make yourself known. Come outside. Greet people on the street. Give them a coupon to come back when the street is open. uh a few were receptive to that, but we are trying to really work with them to make
it more accessible to more customers. We want to bring more people down to that area so that they know I mean there I've I've lived here for over 10 years and there were businesses down there before I did this that I didn't even know were there. And now there's a few more that have just opened up that that I think will
want to come out and um and we'll leave the space in front of them open so that they have that space. So, the new businesses like the Boba Crepe Store and a couple of other new businesses, they will be Salty Dogwood. They're Oh, yeah.
They're going to be notified and Yes. We will walk the whole street and talk to so they won't be shocked and allow them opportunity well in advance so that they can plan for it. Yes. Okay. Perfect. Same thing with the residents. What about liquor licenses for G
or do side? They are only allowed to serve on their property. But can't they take a liquor license for the front of if they want to put a tent or something in front of their building? I I know that somebody did that last
year and and didn't he didn't he didn't pull he didn't he had the opportunity to pull the liquor license, but he was actually instructed don't bother and you know there was a little bit of an issue a minor issue there. No big deal. But if one of the restaurants wants to sell
outside of their property, like put put a tent further in their property or sell make their own little beer garden in the front. I think the only one we'd be talking about is is doide. I don't know about and they would have push G or Cafe Aino Cafe Avelino G. They're out on
their sidewalk anyway. On their sidewalk anyway. Well, maybe they want to go even further. They'd be in the street. You have the street's blocked off. The street's blocked off, but we have vendors. They have vendors lining the street, the sidewalk open for the shops to come out. Right. I guess what I'm
saying is if we have a local business that instead of putting a vendor in front of the local business, if the local business want to take that space, giving them that space. I I would just have a priority. It was legal to do that with their license. We gave them the
opportunity to do that last year. Nobody did. I sent all of those businesses right with the instructions. Right. I think like it's probably on us to make it clear what their options are so all these businesses know you can do this if
you do this and if you don't do this you can't do that right and be like a FAQ and just outline it so they can't come back later and say oh I didn't know how it worked or whatever but they do have to stay on their properties. It's like they can't like someone can't get a a
gin and tonic and walk down the street with it. They they their license dictates how they can serve. So if they're on or off premises, they have to follow those their regulations. They could get a one day liquor license. Correct. Then their premises could expand, right? Just like these
individuals, right? Correct. That's what I'm saying. Yes. Because actually Doide had a a great setup. It it was awesome. Yes. in the parking lot. But right, but you need to have this the special permitting to do that. But if if uh Jess
and Andrew want to even expand even further in front there, I just want to make sure they have the opportunity and the same for you know Teresa everybody else who's down. Diane said she gave Yeah, we did. They'll reach out like an FAQ. It was at last it was last just so
you can let them know this is what you need to do if you want to do this. Okay. Right. I'm going to try once again. I'm going to make a motion to approve the consent agenda. Second that motion. Yes. Excellent. All those in favor. I I thank you. I Fantastic.
Select board time. That time. No. Select board time. Congratulations to Annabelle Ait. She set the She was freshman one mile record in the States. Top of the state. Yep. Um, amazing accomplishment for a
freshman. That was something that happened this week. So, congrats to Annabelle and her family. Um, field day yesterday for the elementary school was off the charts. I mean, I couldn't believe how much they to Rachel's point, how much they pulled off and how how wonderful it was for all 700 and
something kids. Um, what else is happening? What else is happening? I don't know. I can't even think anymore. That's it. Great. Thank you, David. Uh, I just have anything? Yeah, just just one quick thing. I just want to thank uh Amy Sorrow for her five years of service
to the town. Um you know, she she started uh in the midst of a pandemic in uh in in 2020 and rose uh through the ranks to become the director of finance and administration for the town. I think anybody who's
tuned in over the last six, seven, eight months uh has certainly seen her uh her expertise uh about municipal finance uh on on display. Uh I certainly you know it's it's an enormous loss and uh I do
wish that this board and that everybody up here had I wish we had done uh more uh to retain her uh her services uh with the town but uh I do wish her all the best uh with her future role um in Newberry Port. So thank you Amy.
Thank you David and thank you Amy. Um, I just want to thank Nathan Kent, Nate Bishim, Paul Raonus, and Joe Doulette for bringing us our late night show here tonight. And also, we'll be setting the date for the rabies clinic in the next couple weeks. Diane will post that as
soon as we get that confirmed. I just have to double check with DPW. And that's pretty much it. We'll be able to work with you. Okay. Doug, um Diane is reminding me to let people know that Mass Save will be in town hall the first
and third Wednesday of the month to help people with uh their nocost home energy assessments. They'll be there from 10 to 11 in the select board room. Thanks, Doug. A couple of things. One, um for
July and August, the select board will meet on Tuesdays. uh the for the holiday week we will not meet so we will meet the 8th and the 22nd and in August we'll meet the 5th and the 19th and that's to accommodate for all the wonderful things that the rec department is doing um so
that we can attend and participate um we are I also wanted to give an update on the poet laurette discussion um as a liazison for the um the library board of trustees so um there was a great amount of support to have that
program back up and running. Um the conversation with the library board of trustees suggests that the board of select or the select board consider formally reinstating the initiative and dedicating a formal committee and not that the library handle it. Um there is
a civic and cultural significance to the role and they believe the process should be more communitydriven and less just library focused. Um the town already has a valued arts committee whose expertise and leadership could be instrumental to
this. Um they view a collaborative act a collaborative effort with the select board, the arts committee, the library and even the schools and other community voices would provide a strong foundation for the poet poet laurette program continuing on for years to come and not um sort of these stops and starts that
we have seen recently. Um the director of the library has committed to serve as the library's liaison and offer support for organizing the process, the promotion, the planning, the engagement and they would love to play a key role in celebrating
the work. Um but they want to play a part in it and not facilitate it in totality. And a lot of the discussion I was a part of a lot of these emails going back and forth and um the library is a very programmed um building. It
they program well in advance. They have a limited budget as we've spoken about at these tables and they have limited resources and um they were hopeful that the poet laurette program could sort of get going in line with this year but they have
just had so much overwhelming other things happening that they couldn't get it off the ground and meet the expectations of what um the folks who came before us prior had. So, um, so that is where they landed and, um, I'm hopeful
that we could get something going between, um, the board, the cultural committee, the library, and potentially the school to get it back off the ground and
running for 2026. So, if anybody has any thoughts to help me do that, that would be great. Cool. Thanks. Motion to motion to second. Thank you everybody.