30. Let's. Are we all ready to get the show on the road? We'll call the meeting to order. May we please have the roll call?
Present. Miss Rich is out today. Mr. Grossman. Present. Miss wood. I mean, sorry, Mr. Wood.
Present. Mr. Fuchs. Present. All right. If we could, please. Oh, gosh. You threw this on there. The election of chair and vice chair. If we can have call for
nomination a chair. And if I may point out, even though miss Rich is absent tonight, she is still a fair and loyal, dedicated
member of our board and is most eligible for nomination. Do we have any calls for nominations
for chair? I would nominate the current chairwoman and the current. What's her title? Vice
chair. Vice chair. Miss Rich. To continue in our roles as they're doing a wonderful job for us. So I would make a motion to. I make
a motion for that. Or you could I would I would make a motion to retain the current chairwoman and vice chairwoman. I believe we have to take them separate.
Is that how you could do it? We can just. All right. I second it. Do it. Well, then I guess I
have to do a roll call. Can I do a motion? I would like to make a call for a nomination. Can I? Okay, so if we're going to do that, then I agree with you. Then we should go back and just
do the chair individually. And then you can take a second. Well actually if you're doing it as a motion okay. You have to have vote on the motion. So I would do it but I would do just the
chair to start off with then. Okay. So we don't muddy things. Gotcha. Okay. So then are we correct in saying that we have a call for nomination for chair? So I'll revise my motion to
retain the current chairwoman in her position. I would like to call for miss Rich as chair.
I'll second that. I feel like that's putting that motion out there. So tell us what to do, sir. I'm sorry we didn't go to
law school. Okay. There's a couple different ways you can do this. You could do the first appointment and just do a voice
vote. And if it doesn't have more than two, it takes three of you to pass it. Then. Then we are done. If it fails, then we
go to the second one. Gotcha. Okay. So we're going to have a roll call for the Mr. Grossman
nomination of Miss Turner. Is that how that goes? Did I do that right? We got a second on it. Did we have a second? Oh, gosh. That's right. Sorry. No we
didn't. So it fails. Oh. It didn't. Mr. Woods, did you second that. He seconded your first. I didn't when it was
combined. You want to second it now? Are there? I do. There is no. No bad feeling. No pressure.
No. I'm not going to second it. All right. So the. It dies for lack of a second. So now we go to the second one. Do we have a first and second on? Yes,
because I had a first for miss Rich. Any second. I'll second that. I have a second. Let's have a roll call on this. Mr. Fuchs? Yes. Mr. Wood. Yes. Mr.
Grossman? Yes. Miss Turner? Yes. Miss Rich. That's what she gets for ditching us tonight. I know that this is going on. Or is she going to get surprised? Well,
she said that she is happy to serve in any, any position. Any capacity. Yes. I tried this on her last year, and it was an epic fail. Yeah. Vice chair. So
now I have a call for vice chair. Any call for nominations? I will call for Mr. Grossman.
You would have to pass the gavel. Oh, I guess that would be wonderful. Okay. All right. Mr. Wood. I'll second it. No, no,
no. You call for the motion. Okay. Go ahead and make your motion for vice chair. I'm making a motion for vice chair of Mr. Grossman, and we need a
now. We need a second on that. Do I have a second for second chair? I see what you've done.
No second. I thought, Mr. Wood, did you second that? Second. If he's. Oh, he's got the gavel. Yes. I'll say we've done this before. I'll second it. Now you
can have a vote. Mr. Fuchs. Yes. Mr. Wood. Yes. Mr. Grossman. Yes. You vote for yourself, do you? Yes. Congratulations. Thank
you, Mr. Vice Chair. Okay, there we go. Okay. That was the hard part. That was the hardest thing I think we've done tonight. Okay. All right, let's get on with our regular order of
business. If we could please have the quasi judicial announcement and swearing in of any speakers, sir. This is a quasi judicial proceeding where the Board of Adjustment acts in
a quasi judicial rather than a legislative capacity and a quasi judicial hearing. It is the board's function to make law. Excuse me. It is not the board's function to make law, but rather
to apply law that has already been established in a quasi judicial hearing. The board is required by law to make findings of fact based upon the evidence presented at the hearing, and
apply those findings of fact to previously established criteria contained in the Code of Ordinances, in order to make a legal decision regarding the application before it. The board
may only consider evidence at this hearing that the law considers competent, substantial, and relevant to the issues. If the competence, substantial and relevant
evidence at the hearing demonstrates that the applicant has met the criteria established in the Code of Ordinances, then the board is required by law to find in favor of the applicant. By the same token, if the
competent, substantial and relevant evidence at the hearing demonstrates that the applicant has failed to meet the criteria established in the Code of Ordinances, then the board is
required by law to find against the applicant. Thank you. If anyone is planning to speak tonight, if you can, please
stand up and be sworn in. By doing you swear or affirm your testimony before the Board of Adjustment shall be the truth so help you. Thank you. Thank you.
So let's move on to our first and only application for the evening. Number 20 1-90 for Andrea Otis. It is a variance to reduce the required shoreline buffer or rear yard setback for
the purpose of constructing a pool on a waterfront lot property at 1656 Seabreeze Drive. If we could please have the staff presentation before, I
want to make sure no one has any kind of conflict. Okay, just for the record, thank you. Thank you. Okay. Ali Keane, principal
planner, planning and zoning. The property again, is located off of Seabreeze Drive, outlined here in red on the screen. This property and the property to the
west are in the are 100 a zoning district, and the remainder of the properties along Seabreeze Drive are in the are 100 district, both of which are single family residential districts. The applicants are
here requesting variance approval to reduce the required shoreline buffer or the rear rear yard setback, and this is for the purpose of constructing a pool on their waterfront lot.
Typically, the Land Development Code requires a rear setback for a pool. It's measured from the edge of the deck to be a minimum of five feet. This section of the code also refers to Land
Development Code section 55.01. For waterfront lots, and this is to verify compliance with our wetland and shoreline buffer. And in that section it requires a minimum shoreline buffer of
30ft from the Gulf. This does apply to the subject property. The applicants are proposing to construct a pool that is 15 by 28ft in this configuration. Here
on the west side of the backyard. And they are proposing to have a modest rear pool deck along the back side of the pool, and it will be approximately 18ft at its closest point to the
top of the bank, and then about 22ft from the edge of the water to the closest bank. Closest point to the top of the bank. The additional buffer area is really intended to provide not only protection to the
shoreline, but also to accommodate potential erosion and to provide an area for filtering potential unwanted nutrients and pollutants before it enters the waterways. This
section of the code also has a provision for waterfront lots that have engineered seawalls. It allows a reduced setback or shoreline buffer of 15ft for
pools and pool screening closures. It also further allows them to be reduced to eight feet if they have a certification from an engineer that says that it won't impact the integrity of the wall. This does not apply to
the subject property because they do not have the seawall. They have riprap along their shoreline. This is an aerial image of the subject property taken from Google, and it's
actually very recent. They just went by in January of this year. And again the property is located here. And they are proposing the pool to be constructed on the west side and
perpendicular to the home. And according to the survey, there is a gradual slope from the rear of the home down to the water line. It also has a slight high spot on the east side of the
property. But as you can see on this image, it is fairly open. There are no current improvements in the rear yard, and there's no significant vegetation, providing significant constraints when
constructing the pool. And with that, these are your standards for consideration, and I'm happy to answer questions. Thank you.
Any questions for staff. Mr. Castle? Yes I do actually have. Sorry. Yes, I do have several of
them. Okay. I guess the first one, if we could go to the
picture. This one. The. Yeah, I think that's it. So if the pool
were put in parallel instead of perpendicular, the square footage area of the drainage and the filtering would not change. Right. You still have the same
square foot area, whether it's this way or this way. As far as the pool, square foot or the like, as far as the size of the pool. So what one of the considerations, I'm sorry, one
of the considerations is the filtering area. So what I was looking at. Yes, what I was looking at is if we have, let's just say it's 1000ft■!S of
filtered filtering area and the pool is 500ft■!S. And I'm sure those numbers aren't right. But it doesn't matter which way we put the pool. You have the same filtering area. The only
difference is the distance to the water. Okay. The riprap to do it might be a question for the homeowner, but do we know
how substantial the riprap is? I can't talk about how substantial the riprap is. No. Okay. All right. And then there are in
your report you did put that there are many other properties with pools, you know, in the in the same neighborhood and also closer to the water because they
have the seawall there. Correct. And the neighborhood area. Other people have it closer. Okay. Because they fall within that I won't say exemption, but in that provision where they can be
closer. Okay. But it was it was a pool thing. Then I have a question on the property line. If we could go back to the one
with the blue pool. So there's a line that says top of bank. And both the 22 foot and the 18 foot go to that line. I see one from the pool and one from the 18
foot setback. The there's a line, a dotted line above that that's on an angle. Do we know what that line represents? So that line is that's representing
the closest point. So typically pool set back the rear as measured from the edge of deck. I just showed the edge of water just so you have that comparison. So they're showing the closest point the edge of deck is. And that's just
representing the 18ft all the way across. Because the property line is technically angled across the back. But yeah, the question was what the dotted line above the right. This one right here. What does that
represent. Oh above the top of bank. Dotted line. The dotted line above the solid line that says top of bank. Okay. The property line. That's property
line. Correct. That that's in the water. Yes. I'd have to let me look at the survey. Perhaps
in a. Yeah. It looks like it does extend partially into the water. Yes. The top of bank line is the actual land that we're, that we're dealing with. Right.
That's where we you measure for the buffer. That's the point you measure to or from. Does that is that like the middle of the riprap or we just measure from
the top of the bank. That's that's basically identified on the survey. So I don't know if that's necessarily the, the top of the middle or the top. It would be whatever they identify
on the survey. All right. And then. I have one more question in the five. They're called
sorry. And the five review standards. Oh no sorry. Where it says reasonable use allows for
reasonable use, I think it's in one of those. I have so many things underlined here. So in the report it says that have they should have reasonable use
of the of the property. It might not be number one on the standard. What how are we defining reasonable use. So I
would say that it looks at, you know, a typical single family property. What is reasonably used in, in the elsewhere in the district. When I review an
application I look at one. It's, it's typical in this area for a single family property to have a pool. So I believe that you can have a pool in this property. I believe that there is
potentially based off the evidence that I was provided in the review of this application, that it potentially could be reoriented in a way that it can meet the buffer setback. So I don't believe that they need
necessarily a variance to have reasonable use of the property. Again, that's based off of what information was provided. So reasonable use is looking at, you know, what typically you
would have as a single family residential property, kind of like a common sense reasonable use definition. Usually reasonable man standard. What a reasonable person a reasonable
person would come in. The average person would say, okay, is a pool a reasonable use in this area, in this property? Okay. So it is that standard. Thank you. Yeah I think that's
it for right now. Thank you. Were there any other questions for. I have a question. So when we're looking at the difference between in the planning considerations and the LDC, right. And we're talking about
lots that have engineered seawalls versus this particular lot. Is it safe to assume that what is allowing that differential of setback is, for
lack of a better term, the sturdiness of that seawall? For erosion purposes or whatever other things that were sort of mentioned as, as you walked
through that is that is that that so I actually was trying to look at what, why that came about and what the history of that provision and why that was
added to the code. I couldn't necessarily determine why a seawall was allowed to have a structure closer or pool closer, as opposed to riprap. It's very
specific in the code that says seawall. And that's how it's been interpreted. So I can't say that there is any specific reason. One can be closer than
the other. I was not able to find the exact reasoning behind it. My interpretation was similar to what you were saying. I believe that the structural integrity of a seawall can
potentially handle something closer as opposed to the riprap. But I can't say that's the definite reasoning behind it when it was put into place. I guess a follow on question and
this might be more directed towards the homeowner is in the last six months. My imagination would tell me that we probably saw the most catastrophic
natural event that would occur in how did said riprap withstand that? Was there damage to the to the seawall or what was the integrity of that? I don't know if that's a question more for.
I'll defer to the applicant on that one. I yield my time. Okay. Question. This one. So would they meet the requirement? The pool was turned 90 degrees
towards the house. Then they'd be. It's the distance from the water from the embankment. So that would permit him. He wouldn't be here right now. So based off the measurements that I took off of the pool that they
proposed, I believe they can. Obviously, they would have to, you know, re-engineer everything and they may not be able to get exactly the, you know, configuration that they have proposed now, but I believe they can get a pool of similar size
or the same size if they turned it. Yes. And if I may, I was going to ask along the lines of Mr. Wood regarding the idea that
you had proposed and staff recommendation of the pool going parallel as opposed to perpendicular. To give more to comply with the setback
requirement. If that were the case, what are the side setback requirements and how would that potentially impact a different configuration? Let me put this
back up here. So the minimum side setback for the pool is still eight feet. That's measured from your water's edge not the pool deck. And they had significant distance from the
side. So they should be able to comply with that. Pretty easily with this size because I see the pool is 28ft. So you're talking.
Oh my gosh. Y'all are making me do math. Okay. What's more than eight? Oh a lot. So sorry I
cannot add 28 and 16 on the top of my head like a fool. Liberal arts education. So that was my question on that part. And then
I think you clarified the questions regarding riprap versus seawall. Constructed seawall. Okay. And even though I
know we have to be very careful when we consider or entertain these points of fact, are there other homes in this area that
have pools with riprap that are closer than the 30 foot, to our knowledge? There are definitely other homes that have riprap and pools in the rear yard. I cannot
speak to how close they are without having surveys to verify that. But there are definitely other homes that have a similar situation where there's riprap and a pool in the rear yard. I just can't say for a fact that
they are closer than the 30 foot requirement. Okay. Because it really depends on where that type of bank is and where you measure those, those lines, because it can vary from property to property. It's not a
static line. Right. Okay. All right. Any other questions for the staff at this moment? Okay. So if Mr. Andreadis, if you would like to present any
information, and I have a feeling that we're going to have some questions for you as well. Anything that you'd like to add? Yeah. In in on the block. The
closest. Or I guess it would be the furthest from a riprap or a seawall would be about 19.5ft. There's no there's no pool. That's 30. The ones with
seawalls, whatever that's defined as, are much closer. And you can you can see there's ones that are less than, than ten feet from the from the seawall.
I did approach the county to build the seawall. They are not issuing permits for seawalls. So what we did about a year ago, a little bit after we purchased
the property, is we fixed the riprap so it is newer. And to answer, I believe, either a comment or a question about the erosion of it. There was plenty of erosion, which is why we
fixed it before there was zero erosion. After we did it, we did plenty of underlayment and then we put three different sizes of
rocks to kind of alleviate the, the washout we did. Have water come in the backyard, probably a couple feet, but no erosion in
my questioning the county about the seawall pool and exactly this issue. It was interesting that their opinion was that
seawalls erode more than riprap walls. So this I guess, issue and ordinance and or variance was made at a time years ago
where they thought the seawalls would hold up more riprap walls typically don't. If you maintain them, they don't erode that
much. As far as building the pool parallel as opposed to perpendicular. We are in the permitting process with the city to do. The home is extremely
small. To do a little deck in the back. Actually, it wouldn't be a deck, it'd be a kitchen. In the back on that side. So if we were to do it parallel, it
would. Probably wouldn't be parallel. It'd have to be square. It just wouldn't. It just wouldn't fit. The original plan of the pool, I believe, was
34ft. The pool company did not understand this 30 foot setback, which is a whole different story. We've shortened it down to 28ft and also lessen of the
pavers to try to get as close as we could to the to the 30ft. Oh, and one last thing I I'll mention that somebody had asked about that. The dotted line
above the riprap line, that difference when the county came to inspect the riprap wall and dock because we also put a new
dock. They, they went based on a previous survey. And when they told us where we could put the dock, it was about ten feet into
the yard. And it just didn't make any sense. And I asked for a county representative to come out. But then they sure came out and they said, all right, we're
measuring. And for some reason, the off here, either it was an old inaccurate number because when I had spoken on the phone with the lady before, she said,
we use Google Earth and we come within a quarter of an inch. And I said, ma'am, I'm telling you right now, this thing is it was, you know, the front of that chair to here. And when she came
out, she realized. So I guess my point in saying that, I think it's about 8 to 10ft off right now. I think the 18ft is really
26 or 28ft if you measure it. I have it staked out in the yard and it is not 18ft, even though that says 18ft. It's to the top
of the riprap wall. It's 24ft easily to the bottom of it. It's 30ft plus. You know, we're trying to comply of kind of maneuvered everything with the
permitting going on right now with the city. It's taken a little while for, for the kitchen to, to be done. But basically that's the reason we are proposing and tried to
modify as much as we can the pool to comply. And any questions after me talking a lot, Mr. Grossman. Oh, thank
you. Just just to clarify your statement, sir. Yeah. My so my question about the integrity of the riprap wall was after the hurricanes that September,
October time frame. So post that or I guess through that evolution, you're saying that there was no there was no washout. There was no degradation to that barrier? Not
at all. Okay. Not at all. We put a lot of the. I've learned way more about this than I thought I would, but a lot, a lot of the matter of fact, both of our
neighbors there believe it's limestone there. 4 to 6in or eight inches on the bottom. We put 20 to 24 inch rocks and filled it in with the next size,
10 to 12, and then fill that in with 4 to 8. It was more truckloads of rocks than I ever thought I would see in my yard, but it it held up great. You
know, we lost other than a little bit of water getting in the home. None of the there was no erosion at all, no repair needed. You know, the dock, the
front two pilings of the dock which go into the into the riprap wall, you know, matter of fact, the dock company that put it in called me and said, you have any issues, we need to come
back. We didn't even move the dock anything. So it was we were very happy. Thank you, Mr. Grossman. Yep. I do have a question for you. Yes, sir. You.
I was wondering why, if you didn't have to come for a variance, if you put it parallel to the home. But you wanted it perpendicular, which you have to
then go through this whole process. Why? I know you mentioned something about how it would have to be square or something. Why are you requesting it to be the perpendicular versus the
parallel? So? It doesn't show it on that drawing. But we're very close to getting permitting on
basically half of the width of the home. The, the yeah, the right half is a kitchen dining room, which currently is
probably the kitchen and dining room, maybe 180ft, 160ft■!S, two very small rooms. So we are in,
like I said, permitting to go back. I think it's 16ft or no, sorry, 12ft to go back and enlarge the kitchen and make it
a dining room where you can fit something a little bigger than that. So, so in that the, the pool kind of came after the fac. And, and then, you know, there
was either we don't do that addition and put it perpendicular or if we did that addition, it would have the poo, I think probably would have to
be just to stay away from the building and then the side setback, it would probably have to be like a 12 by 12, something like that. So it'd be a spa. So
if I'm getting this right, the reasoning is more traffic flow and usability than it is. It's just pretty over there. It's pretty over there because it's more of a usability issue then.
Yeah. It it again it would it would be a spa. It's not because it looks better. It's because that that's the only way it could fit. And again we have
modified it both thinner and significantly shorter, you know, to try to get, you know, as far away from that seawall or riprap wall as possible. So if I may, it sounds like you're trying to
make sure you're still able to accommodate the addition onto the house on what's like the right side of this image there.
Yes, ma'am. Okay. Yes, sir. I have one more. I'm not. This may be for the city. The. If we
could go to the picture of the home. Yes. So the so the property next door, the. It looks like it's a concrete to
the right. I'm sorry. I don't know if that's east. Yeah. The it looks like that's a concrete patio. Do we know if that's a that one is a concrete patio. It's a concrete patio with thin
pavers on it. Okay, so actually, that has less drainage area than probably you would have with significantly less or less filtering. Yeah. Significantly
less. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Clarifications
for the applicant. And just to clarify what you had said in regards to your findings, Mr.
Andreadis, with the. The work you did on the deck and the riprap that you did, you're kind of finding that the property
line might be further than what is indicated there. Yes. The just to I'm not sure if it made sense the way I was saying, but
when I was speaking to the county, was she. I'm gonna ask. She was the county inspector for
the seawall or sorry, for the dock. And when she had told the dock company where they could
start it based on the, the, the. The zone, I can't think of it the drawing of the of the property she had staked out or
she had said how far from the riprap wall it could start. So they could start in the middle near the water's edge. Well, the water's edge was between 8 and
10ft from where she thought the water's edge was. So then we requested she came out a couple weeks later. I sat and met her, and she was actually trained in somebody at that time. So it was
two of them that came out. And then she put the paperwork in to change it. But it was it was a significant difference. It was more than eight feet. Less than
ten feet, if you want to call it average, nine feet off from where she swore that that Google map was only a quarter of an inch off or, sorry, less than a
half an inch off. So yeah, so kind of like you're saying, based on this, if you went with what they were originally thinking, I'm seeing how your dock begins, like right there on
that edge like that, that edge of the riprap, it would actually have been in your yard. So where the dock starts out, after she
came out and looked at it, let's, for example, say the water is over. There is here where the proposal came based on where they thought the water line was. It would have been at
the front row of, of chairs. So, you know, whatever these four it was, you know, it was a lot. You'd have that much dock like in your grass. It would be my
yard. Yeah. It would, you would basically what I told her over the phone before she came out, I said my dock would be starting in the middle of my lawn. You know, which is odd, you know.
Okay. She wanted to see it herself, for obvious reasons. And when she saw it, she immediately, you know, realized that something was off. And then she staked out. I think she
measured from the back of the home, out. And when that was what it was, when she measured from the back of the home out,
it was that 8 to 10ft off. And it was just not what she thought it was based on Google Maps. But yeah, it was significantly off, which would mean this variance
if you were to go by them and what they or this particular lady when she came out. The variance is really not 18 by 26 to 28ft from, from the that that
line. And you're feeling secure with the riprap that that you have done. Yes. We actually did the riprap after this photo was
taken. Okay. So you could see the neighbor there on the left, which would be, I believe, the west side. He has similar riprap that we've done other than he
just used the smaller rocks. And then we use larger and smaller rocks. But yes. And one one more thing that we did modify to the
pool to kind of alleviate erosion settling is we're going to put in pilings. So it is that's a significant expense to
keep the pool from settling, which would add to erosion. Significant expense. But I don't want the pool going into the back backyard either. So we're
going to we're putting 12 pilings in the in the pool well under the pool. Yeah. Any other questions for our applicant?
Okay. May I ask one question? Yes, please. I just wanted to clarify the addition. Is it is it an interior like an addition to the home, the interior? Or is it like an. It's like as an
outdoor. So if you look at the, the picture, the, the right side there, the whiter portion of that, that's a flat roof. Okay.
And then that is going to extend back another I believe it's 12ft okay. Yeah. Okay. I just wanted to. So then if you did that 12ft and then pushed the pool
parallel out to match it, you would once again be in the, the variance that we're requesting. It would be closer than the 30ft even that way. Okay. Thank you.
I ask you one quick question. Yeah. So when we're looking at these measurements, are you saying that we're still using the same Google map? And these are probably inaccurate? I can't
guarantee that they're inaccurate. The ones that the county official was using were.
But I can't guarantee that these are the same as those I would imagine. But I don't want to guess. I'd rather be certain if I answer something like that. Okay. I would not go off the map
that the image that I have here and where the property line is drawn, I would not take that as accurate. That's just for you guys to just look at for reference. So if that's what
you're looking at. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well I don't any other questions. I don't see any public comment. So were there any submissions. No. We did not
receive anything. Okay. So we'll close public comment at this time. Are there any other before we move on for our board discussion and consideration, any other final questions that
we may have of staff or the applicant? Okay. Okay. So if we just I want to make sure we're doing this okay. If there was
any comment or discussion amongst our, you know, for ourselves before making a motion or should we motion first, I'd like to you can make a motion a second and then have discussion
on the motion. Okay. So if we can have a motion so we can I'll make a motion for approval. Okay. Do we have a second. I'll second. Okay. So, Mr. Grossman,
you had some thoughts? Yes. So, you know, we have to make sure that we do the review standards and consider all that properly. And I think we have a lot of new
information here tonight than originally was when this was put together. So, you know, if we take the, you know, the one through five, one through five, you know, the first one, you
know, the need for request variance right out of physical surroundings, so forth, so on. So there is a need. I don't think that we consider the fact that the flow of the traffic in
the home and the configuration of the home, you know, in my opinion that is creating a need. So I do believe that we meet number one now based upon the
new information that we have. Number two, the condition or special circumstances, particular property have not been self created. You know, if
you can't install, you know, if you couldn't could be within the footage if you had a seawall. But gentleman can't install a seawall because that's not
possible to do. And then the construction, the information we got tonight about the construction of the riprap, how substantial it is. And, you know, it held up against Elaine
and Milton. So I would say that that we have met that as well. You know, if you can't, if you're not allowed to build a seawall to satisfy the
situation, then it was not self-created. And then the, you know, the literal enforcement here is this is the one, sorry. Number three, denying a
reasonable use. And I, I think in that if the pool was put parallel, it would, in my opinion, deny reasonable use. Now you have a flow issue. You got to reconfigure the house a
different way. So I think that we meet that one as well. And then the city was in agreement on four and five. So I think based upon, in my opinion, based upon the new information that
we've received tonight, it looks like we do meet all five of the of the standards. Anyone have any other comments? I don't want
to talk myself out of the validity of my motion, but I would just simply say that without, you know, clear definition. Definition as to, you know, why the difference
between a riprap and an engineered seawall and what that that logic is. I think in the spirit of understanding what those things are. And again, I hope that we don't ever have to
see anything more catastrophic than we have in the recent past. And having that maintain its structural integrity. I think it almost sort of invalidates on
some level, if I can use that word very loosely, the need for the variance in and of itself. So that is, you know, at least my logic in why I think that,
you know, an approval for this should be taken. Mr. Okay. Similar thoughts I'm not a similar structural engineer, but
living on the water with riprap and a pool. I have seen, you know, what happens in these storms. So I'm quite impressed with what I'm hearing about your
seawall. I also do recall a very interesting presentation. A couple of years ago. That was given to our city commission
from Environmental Engineers regarding how we can protect our our land from erosion. And
really, again, these are engineers and scientists knowing well more than I ever could dream of, but they produced a lot of great evidence and
explanation about seawalls versus riprap and versus natural vegetation, such as our mangroves, and how the riprap
and the mangroves do help to have a more natural break, and protecting the from erosion than the seawall. So, like Miss Keen
said, she can't, you know, say for certain is the riprap versus seawall in our standards based on engineering standards that
have now been updated. We can't say for certain, but I am recalling that. And furthermore, I do know Mr. Andreadis. He has
done amazing work in the community, restoring a lot of properties that are of great historical and cultural value.
He does quality work, and I feel confident that when he is coming before us, stating that he is putting in these extra measures
such as the pilings in the pool, has, you know, gone the extra mile, crossing his t's, dotting his eyes. I do put faith in that. That is the idea behind
this board. I feel, as we've all said, these are the standards. If everything was just black and white, we wouldn't exist. It would be, let's look at these standards. City staff came up with yeses and nos. Mr.
Andreadis wouldn't be sitting here today. We are the human element. So that is part of my thoughts on us being that human
element on this board. So we are time. Mr. Roseman, any other thoughts? Okay. Are we time for a roll call? Mr. Fuchs? Yes. Mr.
Wood? Yes. Mr. Grossman? Yes. Miss Turner? Yes. All right. Thank you very much. Excited to see how this progresses. Thank you. Best wishes. Thank you, thank you. Okay. All right. So
our next item on the agenda we have, if we can possibly do these together because we have approval of minutes for our July
24th, November 20th and December 18th meetings. Do we have any motions? Make a motion to accept. We do all of them at
once. Or I believe we can. I would make a motion to accept all three minutes as presented. I second. I second. All right.
Roll call. Mr. Fuchs? Yes. Mr. Wood. Yes. Mr. Grossman. Yes, Miss. Turner? Yes. All right. Any information for us tonight?
I'm sorry. I don't have anything. Except for. We do not have a meeting next month. Oh, okay. We'll take that. All right. Any comments from the
board? Yeah. So I think we've made lots of comments in our nomination process earlier today. So excited to serve under Miss Rich's chairmanship. And
Mr. Grossman vice chairmanship. Thank you. All right. If there's nothing else, then let's adjourn
at 716. Okay. Okay. Very good. I'll sign things. We can get the
orange cycle.