Let's try to figure it out. Thousand dollars a month. You can't beat that. Oh. That's what
I just did. Awesome. Yeah. Okay.
Wild. Thank. And food. That's good. Yeah. Vet bills. Also.
Okay. Yeah. So. Okay. Just give me a heads up. Mine says 631.
Yeah, that's the official one. Oh, yeah. The official is off by
a minute. Yeah, it's off by two, actually. It looks like two.
Okay, it's 630. I'm going to call this meeting to order. Roll
call please. Kaplan. Here. Miss Ryan. Here. Miss Hallett. Here. Mr. Sprecher. Here. Mr.
Mrozinski. Here. Any public comments? And this would be for something that's not on the agenda already. Okay, let's move
on to number four of the minutes. Of February 3rd. Did everybody get a chance to look at those? Anybody want to make a
motion? I'll second it. Motion to accept them as is. All right. We have a motion and a second. Any discussion on those minutes?
If not, roll call, please vote. Miss Kaplan. Yes. I wasn't here.
Miss Kaplan. Yes. Okay. Sorry. Miss Ryan. Yes. Miss Hallett.
Here. Mr. Chair? Yes. Mr. Rosinski. Okay. Number five. Quasi judicial announcement and swearing in of speakers, please.
This is a quasi judicial proceeding where the Heritage Preservation Board acts in a quasi judicial rather than a legislative capacity at a quasi
judicial hearing. It is not the board's function to make law, but rather to apply law that has already been established in a quasi judicial hearing. The board is required by law to make
findings of fact based upon the evidence presented at the hearing, and apply those findings of fact to previously established criteria contained in the Code of Ordinances, in
order to make a legal decision regarding the application before it. The board may only consider evidence at this hearing that the law considers competent, substantial, and relevant to the
issues. If the competent, substantial, and relevant evidence at the hearing demonstrates that the applicant has met the criteria established in the Code of Ordinances, then
the board is required by law to find in favor of the applicant. By the same token, if the competent, substantial and relevant evidence at the hearing demonstrates that the applicant has failed to meet the criteria
established in the Code of Ordinances, then the board is required by law to find against the applicant. Thank you. Go
ahead with the swearing in. Sure. Is anyone who's going to speak, please stand and raise your right hand. Do you swear or affirm your testimony will be
the truth, so help you? I do. Thank you. All right. First application number 2502. Chairman, let me let me
interrupt you for just one second. Want to make sure that there's any disclosure of ex parte communication, that we put that on the record. Anybody
else? No. No. Disclosure? No. There's a hand up. Mr. Mrozinski, would you please push your microphone closer to your
mouth so they can hear you? Thank you. Okay. It's on. Oh, you gotta turn it on to the button. Oh, I guess it would
help to turn it on. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. All right. I'm sorry. Thank you. Chair. All right. Okay, great.
Application number 25.02108 North Ring Avenue. A Certificate of Appropriateness for the installation of a freestanding
and a wall sign on the contributing structure. Staff. Yes. Good evening. Board. Pat Magness, planning supervisor.
This is an application for. See if I can get this to act right for one freestanding sign and one wall sign located at one 108
North Ring Avenue. This is a. This property is in the Downtown Character district of the Special Area plan. So it is a
residential kind of a mixed use area. It also allows allows some limited retail and limited office. This particular
structure was built as a residence and is being used as an office. This property we'll see in a minute, has a what was
originally a single family home that was moved. So you'll see that the local and national historic district shows the
property where the house is now as vacant. The house was moved from across the street and the master site file in your packet
is for the house. It is a contributing structure. So the request again is for a freestanding sign and a wall sign. Again this is downtown in
the activity center. A contributing structure. And this one was built around 19 1915.
This is shows the Sanborn Map with the structure on its original site. This is what the structure looked like before it
was moved. And this is the structure now basically across moved across the street. And
views from different sides. And you'll see the setback for these signs. For the sorry for the freestanding sign is ten feet
proposed. You'll see that the house is about 12ft from the property line. So your freestanding sign is going to go in in this area. Basically,
basically on the north end of the property. These are the
proposed wall signs up here and wall sign and the freestanding sign. The wall sign is under two square feet as far as the sign
and a copy. The freestanding sign is proposed at just about 22ft■!S. One thing we'll note is
that this cross kind of crossbar design. Mimics the front porch
design. Sorry. And. That also was carried over from the
original structure. So the wall sign is going on the building next to the door. And again that's about under two square
feet. The freestanding sign again is at the north area of the property. These are just some pictures of the neighborhood in the area. This
area has previous residences that are being used as offices. And some that are still residences. And in just a mix of various buildings. It being near
the downtown. Even, you know, back in the day it had multiple types of buildings and uses. This is of course the Masonic
Lodge. These are previous residences here that are used for commercial and office. The livery stable here, the old livery stable, which as you
know, is being renovated now. And here's the subject property next to it. This is a newer
building here on the corner. Just showing the context and the signs there. In course, the community garden. To the north
of the building. The subject property. Residential. Further up. And as you know, on the west side, you've got the newer
townhomes. These just show some signs in the vicinity. This property here's at 818 North Ring. And that's the
freestanding sign they have out front. Again this is a former residence turned into an office. And this picture just shows a
freestanding sign and some wall signs. Nearby on a newer property. So as far as new construction staff feels like
that, the height and width of the freestanding sign is consistent with those other signs of similar character in the district. The wall sign is
generally smaller than wall signs that occur elsewhere. In that that neighborhood. And on that street, as far as the
neighborhood and district. District context. The design is there too. Is designed to mimic the house and blend with the
house. And that is similar to other properties in the neighborhood. Architectural features. Let's see, and I hope
you'll be patient with me as I'm standing in for Caroline. The other the other thing about the neighborhood is, again, a
repetition of the cross motif. And we feel like the sign is a little bit large. But you can approve this size, which we'll
look at in a minute. But staff feels that it is has an overall beneficial impact to the street rhythm and would like the
Heritage Board to decide if the streetscape is adversely affected by the proposed signs. The proposal does conform with
the city's code requirements. So these were your sign and awning guidelines, and it basically
meets those guidelines. And this shows you what is allowed with a freestanding sign is a total of
24ft■!S. Again it's just under 22ft■!S. And the copy is probaby a little less than that. There wasn't a specific in the copy.
The signed copy is what is regulated. So. For wall signs. It meets the 50%. It's only about two square feet or under.
And it's well under the 50% allowance. This just shows that a larger wall sinus is allowed.
This is the front of the building. So. So walls aren't. Signs may not project above the roof. It's obviously on the
front porch. May not project more than 12in from the wall. So this is an aluminum kind of a flat aluminum sign. And it's going to it is not going to
project much if at all. It'll be minimal and not noticeable. And because it is minimal, it's not really going to detract from the
building's architecture style, massing, scale and those sorts of features. It's on the block
wall. This is, as you saw, articulated block building, and it doesn't interfere with any windows or doors or architectural features. And
staff feels that this meets the Secretary's standards. We are recommending approval as presented. With the condition
that a building permit be issued for the project within three years of approval. There was no response to the public notice
and the applicant is here. If you'd like to make a presentation or have questions. Do you have any questions for me? Is anybody here? No. I just
have one. Pat. And maybe I misheard you. For the freestanding one, is that the one that was 24ft■!S? Is the
allowed size or smaller? And this is 22? Yes. 24ft■!S. And. Sorry, I'm having trouble with
this. The proposed size is 21.77. Okay, then. Then I must have misheard you because I thought you said you thought it was a little too large. Oh, I
didn't, you know, I what I said was it. May be it may not be that large. I'm not sure this calculation. And again I wasn't
able to discuss with Caroline. Just includes the copy, which is what is regulated is the copy. The height is 5.5ft, and it's
well below allowable in historic district is ten feet. So and then that setback of ten feet was that from the house or from the curb or from the sidewalk?
From the front property line. So the sidewalk and we're within that. I may have misspoke. Let
me. Okay. So the front setback five feet from the front property line or sidewalk and ten feet from the side property
line. That's the north property line. So that's what they're showing here with that little green. And then did you say that the house is 12ft from the
property line? It's 12ft from the north property line. It looks like 12.2ft on this survey, but we're still okay with setbacks. Yes. Okay. Okay.
Okay, great. Any any other questions from the board here for staff. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Thanks. All right. I'd like to have the
applicant. Who's the applicant? You. Hi. Would you like to make a statement? Come to the. Yeah.
This one. That's okay. You'll need to state your name. Buena Vista Drive, Dunedin, Florida. Okay. I want to know about your
application. No, I think Stantec is our property management company that's been here in Tarpon for about 16 years. But we've been my office is
contracting is at 202 East Center Street. We were originally at 201 East Center Street. When we moved to 202 Santek took over that office. Our construction company is now
growing and expanding into 201 as well. So we needed a place for Santek. Since we're also renovating the livery stable, we thought it perfect to move
Santek since they'll be managing the livery stable into that beautiful cottage. So that's the purpose for the sign. Okay. All
right. Anybody here have any questions for the applicant? You do. Go ahead. Is it necessary to make that sign so big? You know,
because it that's you're the only sign in that block. And it's pretty good size. It's not. I'm five feet. Yeah. Two. And
this is five foot six so I. Yeah. I mean I guess we could put it deeper in, but it's not I don't think it's that big. If you're heading southbound on
ring the fence from the public garden kind of blocks any kind of exposure. So that may have been one of my guys. Kind of planned the sign. That it's a
little bit taller, but it's if it's within code, you know, if you're heading northbound, you see it. If you're heading southbound, you may miss it. So that may be just to clear some
of the fence from the garden. Yeah. We don't want the sign larger than the house, you know. No, no I agree. I agree. We took a lot of time to, to make it a
sign that kind of complements the house and complements the area. And I mean, listen, anybody who's watched the painful renovation of the livery
knows that we're we're committed to preserving the history of tarpon. Okay. Any other
questions from the board? No questions here. No. Any comments from our audience? I up there?
Yeah. All right. Well, I'm going to close the public comments then. And also from the staff, I'm going to close your
comments. And I think what I'm going to need is discussion here or. A motion. I'll make a motion
to approve as. As as stated. And that includes the cities the city with the. Yeah. The with the city's recommendations. Thank you. Okay. Second that you will second that. Okay. We have
a motion and a second. Any more discussion on that? I think it was well done. You know, it took a lot of time making the design.
I think it is fairly well. Okay. Any other comments? If not, let's vote. Miss Kaplan. Yes.
Miss Ryan. Yes. Miss Howlett? Yes. Mr. Sprecher? Yes. Miss Murzyn. Mr. Mrozinski. Yes.
Okay. That's okay. Okay. Thank you. Application number 25.03219 Grand Boulevard. Certificate of
appropriateness. To replace the windows of the contributing altered structure. Yeah. Okay.
This application comes to us from the Gallagher's and. It is
for replacement of non-original windows on the front facade with composite windows. Replacement
of non-original windows on the other elevations with vinyl windows. Replacement of a front
door. Replacement of a side door with a with a different design. We'll look at and then replacement of a double sliding
sliding glass door in the back. So this is a frame vernacular built around 1940. As mentioned
it's contributing altered. As you can see, that's the location in historic district. Both the
national and local district. This is at 219 Grand Boulevard.
And again built around 1940. So we just went over the replacement proposal. This is the photograph from the Florida
master site file. It's in your packet. This is a survey. The property apparently had an addition. Sometime back. I'm not
sure where that was. In the bac. And then the Bay feature window feature was also added to the
original property. And this is a picture of it. The way it looks
today. You I'm assuming it may have gotten flooded a little. No. Good. I wondered because as
you guys know, this is near Safford House, right on down the street from it, and they didn't. That kind of goes uphill, so
that's good to know. Okay. So these are just different views. This is the South view the structure. The back of the
structure. And then the north view. With that bay addition you can see some of the windows on that. Just to context of the
neighborhood again this is park and court. Obviously right up the street is the Safford House. And that's looking toward the
saffron house. This area really is a nice collection of different architecture, residential, well-kept
properties. It's really a very nice streetscape and area of art historic districts. These are pictures from the applicant. And once I do the presentation, we
can go back to these if we need any clarification because Caroline went to the property, took the pictures and I may I hope I don't misspeak on what
we're looking at here. So basically these are, I think what we're looking at is, is features from the side. These
are existing side windows. And I believe this is the proposed replacement. The front door is a
prairie style door. Prairie architecture style. Caroline did not know if that was original. I don't know if the applicants know if it's original. But she
felt like if it wasn't, it was probably an early addition or an early change out because Prairie Style was was popular. Style
during that time. However, the house is not a Prairie style. It's a folk, I mean, frame vernacular. House, and it does
not have Prairie style form, massing or features. So it's not really congruent with the house. The proposed replacement is more
consistent with the architectural style. So staff feels like it does promote the
convey the appropriate style with the new proposed door. This
shows the. I guess, the front door and then. Not sure. I think these are side windows or they may be. I don't think they're
the front windows. And you guys will be able to kind of speak to this when you come up. Sounds like they are side windows. This
is the back sliding door. And the side door. The prairie style door. As you can see, this photo
is from Realtor.com and apparently everything is wide angled, including the door. So it's kind of fat in this picture, but that that will be
replaced with with this more light over single panel. Door. Which is more appropriate again
to this architectural style. On the back we have I believe it's
a. Without counting 12 light. 15 light. Door back here. When the applicant comes up. It would
help if we know what the configuration is, whether these will be this. This looks like one door for the two door
sliding glass so they can explain it. There's two door panels here or how that's going
to work. The side door will be a nine light over two panel door. And then the front windows will be a four over one. So the
materials we're talking about here for the doors. Well I'll say the, the rear and the sides of the structure, the materials
for the windows and doors will be vinyl. Okay. But the architectural style will be, I guess, replaced or updated to be
more consistent with the frame vernacular. This is the window they're using on the front. And that's a composite which your guidelines like as a replacement
if wood can't be done. Because it's not. It has more of like a matte finish. And it mimics wood at least from a distance better
than just vinyl. So that's what they're proposing for those front windows, which as you see and as you saw before, are just
plain, pretty much plain vinyl windows. Again, vinyl windows for the sides, those are single
home. All these windows will be replaced. So with respect to your guidelines, I mean your
standards of review. Again this updates the structure to be more consistent with the architectural style. It's going
to make, you know, help to preserve and make this contributing altered structure more resilient. So there is kind
of an overall benefit we feel here. The Prairie style door may be original, but we don't. We we're not sure it is. We would
like the applicant to preserve it in some manner. Donate it. Give it to an architectural salvage or sell it to one if
they want to buy it. We would like that door preserved. I we think it could be used elsewhere. So that's one of our recommended conditions. But we
do feel like the replacement door is appropriate. And the board should consider whether they, they think that that door
is appropriate with respect to the structure and the view from
the street. I'm just looking to see if there's anything I missed. Architectural features. I went
over. I don't think there is. So we feel like these replacements will increase the longevity of the structure and give it a
better appearance. These are your guidelines on replacement windows. One thing noted is that
vinyl or vinyl clad windows are acceptable on on non front facades. And that's what we have here. For the contributing
altered. And this is your your door replacement guidelines. Of course you don't have the features that surround this door. It's just a single door in
a frame. So again the board should should consider if they feel like the historic door
should be retained. Staff feels it's a good trade off to. To replace it with something that's more consistent with the style.
So staff is recommending approval of this application with the provision that the existing front door be retained by the owner or provided for
reuse in some manner. And then, of course, that a building permit is issued within three years. And we did not have any responses to public notice. Are
there any questions for me? And I would like the applicant to clarify, if we can, on the sliding door, how that's configured. Yeah. Make sure you
keep that up so we can get some clarification from them. Okay. Any any other questions for
Matt? No. Okay. Let's move on. To the applicant presentation. Hi. For this opportunity. I'm
Mike Gallagher and I'm Cassie Gallagher. Married happily, almost 40 years. So jumping straight to this. Yes. 15 light
doors. What we're hoping to be able to put in there. And it's just one door. The what you see is kind of the before on the
left where it's sliding glass door. And on the right is the after. We've got the wood siding from the, the original house. It
kind of conveyed when we purchased. And so we're able to go ahead and build that, fill that in. So it looks just like the we're enclosing the panel to the right. If you're looking at
the sliding glass door right now, and the French door will replace the glass to the left. Okay. She's so much clearer than
I am. And then, I guess, bigger picture. The updates that have been made to the house over time. I would say they didn't consider what the house was when
they were making the updates, because every update that was made seemed to be independent of the look and feel of the house prior to the updates. So we
appreciate Caroline's support and guidance with nudging us into the direction of updates that would actually help improve the consistency and the look and
the feel of the house as part of the contributing or contributing structure in the in the community. Currently, the windows that are in the house, there are several different
styles, and the front facade is actually aluminum sliding glass windows. And then there's some vinyl windows that were in the
addition part of the house, which is the backside. And then we have what we think might be some of the original windows. On the side of the house at least.
Actually I'm sorry. At least the original framing. But again aluminum single hung windows. And we're we're looking forward
to, you know, obviously impact windows with better energy efficiency as well. Okay. Now is
there a lot a lot of windows. You have to be careful. Get new ones because they're tinted. Is there impact because their impact you know they'll be
tinted. So they're going to have a yellow tint. Yeah. Their impact. So you may want to when you get those to say okay okay you can you can order them
without tint. Okay. Thank you. We were able to see the, the replacement windows for the. Sorry. Oh no it's automatic. If they're going to be a kind of a yellowy kind of tint, you're not
going to notice it. But they don't look tinted. But they will have a hue to it. I didn't have to do that. Nope. You're good.
Okay. Okay. No, I was going to say we were able to see examples of the Anderson ones, which are going to be on the, on the front. The composite, the
composite and then the, the vinyl ones were able to see actually samples of those. They didn't seem to tinted in the, in
the samples. And actually for clarification, the Anderson window on the right with the four light on the top, the windows in the middle there.
That's actually the style that we're looking to have created. That one on the right was just an example. The closest we could get to seeing what one of these,
these Anderson kind of historical line of windows look like. So, so the ones that Pat
showed where she said these might be the new ones, that's not the new one that she showed. Yeah. So it's that it's the brand on the right. With the, with the framing and the fact
that it's double hung. But instead of the four light cross at the top, it's the, the two light on the left there. Okay, great. Great. Thank you. And
you're okay with retaining that front door? Oh, yeah. As a piece of art or something or. Okay.
All right. Great. Any other questions for the applicant? No more questions. No more questions. The mass public here.
Anybody have any questions? No. Okay. All right. I'm going to close the public comments. And, Pat, you're done. Yes. Thank
you. And that's good. So now we're going to bring it back to us for consideration. Discussion motion whatever. What would you guys like to do? The only thing
I thought was a little odd, and I know that maybe we're directing them that way is the two different types of windows. Instead of having one cohesive
look in the house, you're going to have an Anderson composite on the front, and then the rest of the house has got PGT, if that's what I was following. Correct.
Yeah, they are going to be. The, the, the PGT are going to have grids that mirror the grids that are going to be on the, the
Anderson. So we were we were. Was it your intent to do all vinyl or was it always your intent to do. Originally the intent was to do all vinyl because of the because of the
cost. But with after, you know, a few conversations with with with Caroline and some architect friends, we thought that a nice compromise instead of going all
vinyl might be to bring in something that was composite and a little bit more, I don't know, historically accurate. Yeah, authentic. And those are impact
as well, right? Yes. We're happy to do the all vinyl. Just asking the question. Yeah. Okay. I'll make a motion. I'll make a
motion to accept that. Approve it the way it is from the staff. I'll second. Second. I'll
second. Okay. Okay. All right. And that includes the renaming of the front door and all of that. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Great. You guys did good. That's
really nice. It looks really nice. Okay. We have a motion in a second. Any any more discussion on that? No. No.
Okay. Okay. If not, let's call for a vote. Miss Kaplan. Yes. Miss Ryan. Yes. Miss Howlett. Yes. Mr. Sprecher? Yes. Mr.
Basinski. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. And I'm glad you were able to be nudged. Thank you. I like that. Yeah. We appreciate where
we are, and we want to, you know, we just want to continue to help contribute as a contributing. You live in a beautiful neighborhood. That's great. We've we've been really appreciate it for that last bit
of time. All right. Thanks again. All right. Number seven board and staff comments. Any any more comments on anything?
Yes. I've handed out two new fliers from elevate Florida. I do have extra copies here. As you know, a word seems to be
getting out pretty good, actually. Pinellas County is kind of leading the pack right now on applications for this.
And they are moving pretty fast, I think. You know, you either some of you have either applied or, you know, people that have. But if you think anybody in
especially in the fruit bowl area has not heard about this or anything, you know, I would encourage you to, you know, take a flier if you want to give it
to anybody. There are supposed to be some public information sessions actually this week, but I tried to find out today windows might be scheduled and I
haven't haven't been able to. I strongly encourage everybody, you guys, the public, anybody that might be watching to keep up with the connect Tarpon
Springs. And community engagement page. So just Google Connect Tarpon Springs. It'll come up the hurricane pages come up first. Whether you pick
Milton or Helene. They both have the same information posted. And as soon as we know something more about Elevate Florida or anything, we will get it posted
right away. So you can keep up with that. And I do encourage people to sign up for notifications from Tarpon Springs. They don't. They are not real frequent. It's just
when we have something important to say is when we send it out and they'll get an email notification that there are new postings in a subject area that
they're interested in. Are there any questions on that? Yeah, I don't I see where it says the planned sessions, but I'm not seeing where. So maybe we just
need to call. Well we can continue to visit their page. I don't know where or when at this point. And as you all know, they
are moving very fast on this. So sometimes. In a way, some of it they're kind of making it up as it goes along. This is a four
year process, 3 to 4 squished into one year or less. For government you know challenging that is. So this this is
probably fluid. But yeah I would definitely check their site. Keep up with connect Tarpon and we'll see when they post where
and when. Yeah I applied and I heard back from them within a week. Yeah. They're trying to move fast. Yeah. On that same
note. The construction of the raising, how you raise is something that is covered in our guidelines. Yes. Page 121. It
starts there. We can probably start boning up on that. Yeah. You know, because we're going to get hit with it and, you know, read it this month and then we can kind of hash some of this
out tomorrow or next month. You know. Do you foresee any of those applications for raising coming to us? Yes I would say
yes. We have. We had at least 2 or 3 that were already proposing, or at least looking at elevating without this grant. We have people that have applied
for the grant. One thing that's not clear with the grant process or the Elevate Florida process, is how quickly we'll have to move on reviewing those. And I
think Caroline talked to you all before about, you know, potential, you know, special sessions or those types of things to try to get that
together. So we do anticipate some applications coming before you. Okay. And to that I know
we've talked about it before. If there's a need for extra meetings, I think we all agreed that that would be okay. Oh, yeah. Yeah, of course we'll give you plenty of notice. We'll
still have to do a 15 day notice postcard and post to move these things through. Yeah. Great. Thank you so much. Okay. Thanks.
Any any other questions for Pat or comments here for any of us. Okay. Well I am going to adjourn
at 715. Thank you everyone. I know this is a record. You beat
mine by three minutes. Pardon me. Oh.