WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=QYnE6zH9maY Part: 1 1 00:03:53.433 --> 00:04:08.614 We're a very narrow. The other side isn't. Not anyway. And we fixed the clock. We fixed. All. Can you. They did change it. 2 00:04:08.614 --> 00:04:22.228 Yes, but. Oh, did you need the agenda? Okay. It's 630, and at this point in time. I'd like to call the Planning and Zoning 3 00:04:22.228 --> 00:04:35.174 Board meeting to. And call to order. And can I have a roll call, please? Chairperson Curtis here. Mr. Rocklin here, 4 00:04:35.174 --> 00:04:46.786 miss. Early here, miss Swenson, Mr. Collins here. Mr. Morris here. Miss Wade here. Okay. And Vice Chair Vessey is absent. Correct. At this point in time. 5 00:04:46.786 --> 00:04:58.664 I'd like for us to stand and give the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of United States of America and 6 00:04:58.664 --> 00:05:09.442 to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, since 7 00:05:09.442 --> 00:05:21.320 Mr. Vesey's not here unless anybody wants to give a moment of reflection. I'll go. I'll go ahead and do so. You know, I know today is the 20th, but we 8 00:05:21.320 --> 00:05:32.098 haven't had a meeting since the 4th of July. And so I want to take this time to think what a great country that we live in, 250 years, that we celebrated 9 00:05:32.098 --> 00:05:43.809 our freedoms. And, you know, keep in mind what we have, what we do, how it. I appreciate the rights and our ability to sit here, hear grievances, planning 10 00:05:43.809 --> 00:05:54.787 and zoning all small or how big they are and give the opportunity for us to, to, you know, in a, in a respectful and cordial fashion, deal with 11 00:05:54.787 --> 00:06:05.598 issues that are in front of us. Make no mistake, and I'm not getting on a political bandwagon, but there are things afoot to try to change our Constitution. And I think that 12 00:06:05.598 --> 00:06:15.741 would be a disgrace. And I'm putting that on the record if anybody watches so. But but God guide us in our deliberations. God give us some thought in 13 00:06:15.741 --> 00:06:28.387 what we decide, no matter how easy or no matter how difficult. Thank you. Okay. Next item on 14 00:06:28.387 --> 00:06:40.500 the agenda is the consent agenda. What are we consenting to? Nothing. Okay, I didn't 15 00:06:40.500 --> 00:06:52.078 think so. I was looking for it. And usually we have a an announce a quasi judicial announcement. But nothing on this agenda is quasi judicial. 16 00:06:52.078 --> 00:07:04.624 So there's no swearing in of anybody today. So we're going to move on to the presentation for the ordinances and resolutions. We'll start with the application. 26-44 Land 17 00:07:04.624 --> 00:07:16.068 Development Code, article five and seven updates. Take it away. All right. Ali Keene, interim Planning Director So, as you all know, we are working our 18 00:07:16.068 --> 00:07:27.313 way through the Land development code making updates. Today. We're going to be looking at articles five and eight. I've shown this timeline to you guys previously multiple times. So essentially we're just trying to incorporate any 19 00:07:27.313 --> 00:07:37.023 quick fixes that we've identified as well as applicable policies from the 2045 Comprehensive Plan update back in May of this year, the Planning and Zoning Board held 20 00:07:37.023 --> 00:07:47.933 a workshop to discuss articles five and eight to discuss those potential updates. The board didn't have any recommended changes at that time, and we've made no significant changes with the exception of some 21 00:07:47.933 --> 00:07:59.378 minor phrasing updates since the workshop. This also went to the Technical Review Committee in June for their review, and they found it ready to process. So this evening, we're looking 22 00:07:59.378 --> 00:08:10.923 for the board's recommendation to the Board of Commissioners on articles five and eight. And there are two different ordinances. It's ordinance 2026-12, which is article five, Land Development Regulations 23 00:08:10.923 --> 00:08:22.168 and Ordinance 2026-13, article eight planning, consistency, concurrency and Mobility management. So I'll provide a brief overview of the updates for each of the articles. First 24 00:08:22.168 --> 00:08:32.812 is article five, the plan development regulations. We really went through this article multiple times to remove a lot of repetitive definitions and regulations. We took out any density and 25 00:08:32.812 --> 00:08:43.255 intensity references, which are all handled in our comprehensive plan, and we really tried to simplify the language throughout, similar to what we did in article two. With your district regulations, 26 00:08:43.255 --> 00:08:54.133 we tried to make it more user friendly. We put all of the permitted land uses into our new table of uses, which that was adopted. With article two, we formatted dimensional standards into tables, and then 27 00:08:54.133 --> 00:09:05.677 we also tried to add some graphics to provisions that we thought needed a better explanation through a picture. We also added the ability to request approval of an alternative dimensional plan in 28 00:09:05.677 --> 00:09:16.789 the R, P, D, or the Residential Plan Development District. This is something that is an option for all other residential districts, so we wanted to extend that to the RPD district. As you may recall from the 29 00:09:16.789 --> 00:09:28.267 workshop, we are recommending a new district, the mixed Use Plan Development District, or MUPD. This is something that will allow a mixed use project to go in place without having multiple different zoning 30 00:09:28.267 --> 00:09:37.977 districts over the project site. And just so you remember, there's right now a residential, a commercial or an industrial planned development district. 31 00:09:37.977 --> 00:09:49.121 We also did a few updates to the overall process for the plan development regulations. First, we specified that the conceptual development plan review is optional. That is 32 00:09:49.121 --> 00:09:59.899 consistent with how we do things today, but it allows an applicant to present a conceptual plan to the Technical Review Committee for general input and feedback before they put in a formal 33 00:09:59.899 --> 00:10:12.211 application. And next, we also removed all of the plan content requirements and made a reference to our checklist that we maintain in the planning department. This is just a 34 00:10:12.211 --> 00:10:23.622 really long list of all the things you need to put in your plan submittal, so it's easier for us to be able to update the checklist as necessary and not have it codified. And then with the waiver section, we tried to 35 00:10:23.622 --> 00:10:33.932 add additional clarity by stating that a waiver request must be in writing and a part of the application, and the applicant must provide a justification for that waiver request based on criteria 36 00:10:33.932 --> 00:10:44.276 that's established in this section. Lastly, with the expirations and extensions right now throughout the this article, those standards are everywhere. There are places 37 00:10:44.276 --> 00:10:55.020 that it's repetitive and a lot of times conflicting with one another. So we pulled all of the standards and put it into one section. And then we also adjusted expiration dates to allow for adequate time for 38 00:10:55.020 --> 00:11:07.600 obtaining a permit. Next is article eight. Your planning consistency, concurrency management and mobility management. This article has really not been touched since the early 90s. So first and 39 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:18.043 foremost, we went through and removed all of the outdated sections and references to state requirements that are no longer applicable or even exist. We went through the 40 00:11:18.043 --> 00:11:28.521 certification of concurrency process, and we provided some clarification that this is part of an application process. It's not a separate approval, like it's kind of insinuated in the code today. We also removed a 41 00:11:28.521 --> 00:11:40.366 sample concurrency form from the back of the section. We've removed references to a hearing officer, which is something that we do not do. And we also do not have in Tarpon Springs. 42 00:11:40.366 --> 00:11:50.743 And then we went through and updated all the level of service standards to be consistent with the adopted 2045 Comprehensive plan with the mobility management section. Again, this has not been 43 00:11:50.743 --> 00:12:02.021 touched for a really long time. So we went through and removed all of the outdated references and a lot of policy language that's in the comprehensive plan and does not need to be repeated in the Land Development code. We went 44 00:12:02.021 --> 00:12:13.132 through and clarified when transportation management plans and traffic studies are required. And then we also added the ability for the city to request a management plan or traffic study for non-deficient 45 00:12:13.132 --> 00:12:23.976 roadways when we felt it was warranted. So with that, we do recommend approval of the updates to articles five and eight. As a reminder, they're under two different ordinances. So the required two different 46 00:12:23.976 --> 00:12:36.254 votes. But it's ordinance 2026-12 for article five and 2026-13 for article eight. And now I'm happy to answer questions. Thank you. But you 47 00:12:36.254 --> 00:12:47.366 can answer questions on both. Or we can have a separate vote on each. Yes. Okay. We'll start on this end in case you have any questions. Good evening. Regarding article five, the 48 00:12:47.366 --> 00:12:58.209 mixed use planned development District. Is that a particular area or is that kind of generic statement? It's it's there's nothing zoned in that manner today. It's an option. If 49 00:12:58.209 --> 00:13:08.254 someone came in with a project in the future, they could utilize that zoning district. So nothing will be changed to that district. It's really for future projects. And not to interrupt, but I'll go down. 50 00:13:08.254 --> 00:13:17.263 But I think it would be beneficial for this whole board, and I don't know how difficult it would be if especially people are new to the board 51 00:13:17.263 --> 00:13:30.242 having a zoning map. Okay, with a breakdown of what the permitted and conditional uses are. That way, when you have that in front of you, when any applicant's in front of us, you 52 00:13:30.242 --> 00:13:41.020 can defer to that map and you can see what the conditional uses are and where parts of the city. I just get some feedback from this board if they think that would be beneficial. 53 00:13:41.020 --> 00:13:51.864 There's no reason for the city to do more work unless you'll find that would be helpful. No, I think that would be helpful. I was more saying if we actually changed the district 54 00:13:51.864 --> 00:14:01.540 for that, or if we're keeping the exact same, you answer that question, right? Yes. And yes, we can provide that information if you guys find it to be helpful. Yeah. My second 55 00:14:01.540 --> 00:14:11.951 question for article eight, the traffic condition study, if I misunderstood it, is that going to be when this stipulation 56 00:14:11.951 --> 00:14:24.129 happens or like a presentation, it's going to be required, or is it going to be based on your recommendation for that study. So typically a management study as well as a traffic study is 57 00:14:24.129 --> 00:14:34.640 kind of dictated by for Pinellas, which is our countywide planning agency. And the Metropolitan Planning Organization has a lot of names, their requirements. And there are certain types of projects that may trip that requirement. 58 00:14:34.640 --> 00:14:46.919 So it's not always required. And really how the Pinellas standards are written, it's all based off of designated deficient roadways. And so that's very specific roadways throughout the city. So we 59 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:58.097 wanted to add that opportunity, that there are some situations in the city that are not on deficient roadways that we think it would be beneficial, depending on the impact of the project, that the city can request that information. So it's not always required, but 60 00:14:58.097 --> 00:15:08.606 it gives us a lot more flexibility. Awesome. Appreciate your time. Thank you 61 00:15:08.606 --> 00:15:19.752 again for your presentation. I just had a quick question on the mixed use planned development. What brought are you able to dig in a little bit to? The main reason of why that 62 00:15:19.752 --> 00:15:32.965 came forth. Was it a question of. I'm specifically asking for commercial and residential interests at the same time would kind of point towards 63 00:15:32.965 --> 00:15:44.877 Airbnb and things like that. Is that going to be an issue as my secondary question? So I guess the first part of that question is what what sparked that? And the second is, can we imagine 64 00:15:44.877 --> 00:15:56.121 it coming back to bite us in any way? Sure. So this is something that we had talked about in our department internally. There's been some situations in the past where we just don't have a mechanism to 65 00:15:56.121 --> 00:16:08.600 achieve a project. An example would be maybe the Riverbend development up off of Anclote Road that has two pieces. There's a residential portion and then also an industrial portion. So they're zoned 66 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:19.411 respectively for that, where they could have potentially done a mixed use zoning, had it much cleaner and still achieve the same result. Essentially another example that isn't 67 00:16:19.411 --> 00:16:28.887 zoned in planned development, but it could have potentially been used under this new district, is the what is it, the Mears shopping Center where 68 00:16:28.887 --> 00:16:40.966 the new Aldi is going and the apartments are formerly Akari Apartments. That right there was done under a special area plan, and it was kind of convoluted of how it all is put 69 00:16:40.966 --> 00:16:52.478 together, but that's a perfect example of like a mixed use unified project that we could put into one designation and still get the same result. As far as the uses go, they're 70 00:16:52.478 --> 00:17:04.022 also designated on that table of uses, and it's basically any use that's allowed in the residential, the commercial or the planned development is a potential option in the mixed use development, short term 71 00:17:04.022 --> 00:17:15.567 rentals, which is tourist homes. Under this code, I do not I don't believe that they're allowed at all in that district. So it's not something that would even be an option. So 72 00:17:15.567 --> 00:17:27.045 basically it came about to streamline. If I'm hearing you correctly, the process. My last question on that is. Is it 73 00:17:27.045 --> 00:17:37.389 taxed any differently given the zoning mixed use versus if it were to remain industrial, are we taxing that any differently? 74 00:17:37.389 --> 00:17:50.836 And does anybody is anybody adversely affected by the tax ramifications of having a mixed use zoning? So I would not be able to provide any information about how it's taxed. That's 75 00:17:50.836 --> 00:18:01.947 all handled through Pinellas County Property Appraiser. They have a lot of different land use designations that are even separate from zoning, and they look at really the actual physical use of the property. I 76 00:18:01.947 --> 00:18:12.890 think, to determine those. I don't think it will have any different effect. Like I said, this is for something future. So someone is coming in requesting that. So that development would be under that designation from the start. But 77 00:18:12.890 --> 00:18:24.670 as far as the specific implications, I am not sure. Thank you. Appreciate. I have 78 00:18:24.670 --> 00:18:36.548 nothing. Okay. Thank you Ali. Great, great work and great housekeeping to kind of condense and simplify everything. My only question is, and I'm well aware of mixed use 79 00:18:36.548 --> 00:18:46.625 development. It's great for downtown revitalization. And it's been around smart growth for decades, as I'm sure you know. Is there any plans to 80 00:18:46.625 --> 00:18:59.271 codify for the city a definition in the code that would say it's applicable in this case and maybe not applicable in that case? And also, do we have any scope of 81 00:18:59.271 --> 00:19:11.083 where it might be applicable on our map at this time? So I wouldn't say that there's any specific area that we would say that this is applicable. I think it really is situation 82 00:19:11.083 --> 00:19:22.027 based depending on what project is before the board for consideration, just like any other plan development application that comes through, you have to meet the criteria 83 00:19:22.027 --> 00:19:32.403 for it. It comes through your public hearing process. It acts as like a rezoning. So you're looking at kind of the general impact of the surrounding area with that application type. So 84 00:19:32.403 --> 00:19:42.581 that's kind of handled through through that. But as far as specific areas, I could see it probably being more applicable to some of the commercial corridors that are outside of 85 00:19:42.581 --> 00:19:54.493 our downtown special area plan. But then again, like my Riverbend example, that's something that's not on a commercial corridor. So I think it really depends on the project that's being proposed. Yeah, I see a lot of people 86 00:19:54.493 --> 00:20:05.871 talk about Safford Avenue being, you know, especially since the county has some lots there that they may be looking to unload. That would be a perfect thing to have some sort of activity on the bottom and yet have 87 00:20:05.871 --> 00:20:17.382 people reside above. So, so that actual area along Safford Avenue is in the smart code designation. So it already kind of is in a mixed use area that can allow some different 88 00:20:17.382 --> 00:20:25.657 options. And that's also something as we're going through the update of the smart code we're looking at to kind of accommodate it a little easier. So perfect example. 89 00:20:25.657 --> 00:20:37.869 Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Once again, thank you for your team's work. And also thank you for making more sense out of some of these items, but I don't have any questions at this time. Thank you. That's 90 00:20:37.869 --> 00:20:46.144 exactly what I was going to say. Thank you guys for cleaning up some of this, making it more efficient for the city and for those that use these and need 91 00:20:46.144 --> 00:20:58.389 the codes. Thank you. Thank you. I'm also grateful. Thank you. Well, first of all, I don't necessarily have a lot of questions, but give me a 92 00:20:58.389 --> 00:21:09.901 microphone and you'll be surprised. Okay. I know a lot of this is cleanup, so I appreciate that. But you know, when we're talking about a new 93 00:21:09.901 --> 00:21:20.379 classification, I think that's why it would be helpful. And I don't again, I don't want to over you guys have got a lot of work, you know, a lot on your plate. But you know, just being 94 00:21:20.379 --> 00:21:31.123 able to have a zoning map that you see the various zoning locations. And so if something like that were to come up, we could see the compatibility 95 00:21:31.123 --> 00:21:43.034 with the zoning in the adjacent areas. So that that's why I think it would be helpful. Number one. Number two, usually these types of projects are for a little bit bigger type of 96 00:21:43.034 --> 00:21:55.647 development. So even though you may have this new code or new zoning where and everybody else, where would it be? Have we and 97 00:21:55.647 --> 00:22:04.722 I scratch my head because we drive around Tarpon Springs. I mean, there really isn't any a lot of appreciable land. We're, 98 00:22:04.722 --> 00:22:17.369 we're about at build out. Okay. And, and so I'm just asking the question, you know, you know, is there opportunities for these types of changes when 99 00:22:17.369 --> 00:22:28.079 they're really, you know, we've sort of built out our community unless we annex. So. And then if we annex, those decisions 100 00:22:28.079 --> 00:22:39.790 are not going to be ours. There will be the county's. You play a part in annexation as well. They all come, I know that, but they they get their permitting at the county and then we we 101 00:22:39.790 --> 00:22:50.302 end up there's different options. So those decisions are typically come out of our our not in our control. Yeah. So as far as so yeah, I would say that this is probably more geared towards maybe a larger 102 00:22:50.302 --> 00:23:01.780 unified development, but it may not be, it may be applicable just depending on what a project that someone has to, to offer. There is not a lot of large properties left in Tarpon 103 00:23:01.780 --> 00:23:12.224 for development. There's some here and there and they each have their own challenges, as I'm sure you're aware. So this is, you know, probably for areas of redevelopment, maybe there are older shopping 104 00:23:12.224 --> 00:23:23.168 centers or strip centers, those types of things. It just really depends on what they're looking for. So it'd be more like a spot zoning I think. So I would say that it could I wouldn't I 105 00:23:23.168 --> 00:23:34.279 don't want to call it a spot zoning because with it being mixed use, it could be compatible with what's around it, but just a different designation. But I don't necessarily see like a large 106 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:44.956 area of the city going into this designation. I think it really will be project based. Okay. And then my last, my last question or comment when you, when they talked about the 107 00:23:44.956 --> 00:23:57.569 requirement for a traffic study, and I'm not going to use those apartments on. 19 but let's say they are carrying apartments on alternate. 19 you know, it was 108 00:23:57.569 --> 00:24:08.013 the county that would trigger a traffic study. Correct. The criteria of the development would trigger a traffic study that the county would require 109 00:24:08.013 --> 00:24:19.558 if they're on county roads or whatever. But having the option of a local option, and correct me if I'm wrong, counselor, but 110 00:24:19.558 --> 00:24:32.137 having the local option to require a traffic study when the county may not have required one gives a lot of latitude for the city because 111 00:24:32.137 --> 00:24:42.647 you know what? What triggered what they talk about the road. You know, like us 19 is a great f road by DOT. So anytime you do any large development, it 112 00:24:42.647 --> 00:24:54.826 automatically would trigger a traffic study because of the, the well, what did they call it? A. Deficient deficient, deficient road. Okay. So yeah, 113 00:24:54.826 --> 00:25:04.736 so in any event, but that's that's the reasoning behind this correct? Yeah. It is. And we and we've asked for traffic studies or you. No specific studies on certain situations 114 00:25:04.736 --> 00:25:15.714 in the past. And people have obliged and given us that information. But this just really puts it into our code that we can come to you and ask for this. If we feel like there's going to be some sort 115 00:25:15.714 --> 00:25:27.225 of local impact that needs to be addressed. So yeah, we think it's going to really be helpful. Other than that, I have no questions unless anybody has questions or follow up questions. But if not, I would like to go ahead. Did we not 116 00:25:27.225 --> 00:25:38.036 have somewhat of a traffic study at that location that they keep trying to go into at mirrors and alt 19, because they were talking about 70 cars 117 00:25:38.036 --> 00:25:49.180 and and that this at the county didn't want them entering or exiting on Mears Road. And then they would have to come around and they would go straight into the right turn lane at that 118 00:25:49.180 --> 00:26:01.459 exit. But then you said there didn't have to be a traffic study because there was a bus stop and so many people would bike and so many people would walk and so many people. And so you got it down below the 119 00:26:01.459 --> 00:26:13.070 threshold for a traffic study. They did some level of study for that project, not a full blown traffic study. They had to, you know, they're working with the county or they were working with the county for the 120 00:26:13.070 --> 00:26:23.314 access to mirrors, and that may have triggered them to do a more in depth analysis of that. But that isn't an example of where it didn't necessarily trip the requirement to have a 121 00:26:23.314 --> 00:26:35.026 study. But, you know, we point out some things in the area that kind of help with with management. I think that because it was a cut in from a county road. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in any event, unless there's 122 00:26:35.026 --> 00:26:46.104 any questions, I'd like to hear a motion on ordinance 26-12, article five for approval. Mr. chairman, I move to approve 123 00:26:46.104 --> 00:26:57.582 ordinance 26-12, article five. Is there a second before we go? Is do I have to go to public comment? I didn't go to public comment. No. I think the record 124 00:26:57.582 --> 00:27:05.824 will reflect that. There is no one here. Okay. All right. Just didn't want to skip us. Skip a okay, there's a motion and a 125 00:27:05.824 --> 00:27:17.335 second roll call, please. Miss Wade. Yes. Mr. Morris? Yes. Mr. Collins. Yes. Miss Swenson. Yes. 126 00:27:17.335 --> 00:27:29.614 Miss. Early. Yes. Mr. Rocklin. Yes. Chairperson. Curtis. Yes. Moving on. Next, a motion for the next one. Ordinance 26-13 127 00:27:29.614 --> 00:27:41.126 regarding article eight. I'll make that motion, Mr. Chairman, to approve the ordinance. 26-13, article eight. For consistency, consistency and mobility 128 00:27:41.126 --> 00:27:54.105 management. Okay. Is there a second? Second, second. Okay. Roll call please, miss Wade. Yes. Mr. Morris. Yes. Mr. 129 00:27:54.105 --> 00:28:03.782 Collins. Yes. Miss. Swenson. Yes. Miss. Early. Yes. Mr. Rocklin. Yes. Chairperson. Curtis. Yes. Thanks, guys. Okay. 130 00:28:03.782 --> 00:28:16.895 Rolling on to ordinance 26-13LDC article eight amendments. You just did that. We did them together. Oh, okay. 131 00:28:16.895 --> 00:28:26.805 I'm sorry. That was it. We did one application. Wo. I thought there was one. Okay. You're very efficient. Okay. I wonder why you sat down. Okay. I was 132 00:28:26.805 --> 00:28:37.615 like, miss something? All right. I dang well get home before 7:00 board and I we could hang out if y'all want, but any board or staff, the staff had 133 00:28:37.615 --> 00:28:49.727 any comments? No staff. Okay. Does the board have any comments? No, no no. I want to apologize for not being here 134 00:28:49.727 --> 00:29:00.672 last month. I'll try to not let that happen again. You weren't here. Was not here. I may not be here for the September 135 00:29:00.672 --> 00:29:08.213 meeting. I think I'll be overseas. That being said, I guess we will stand adjourned 136 00:29:08.213 --> 00:29:22.393 at 654. Good meeting. I wish. I know I'm getting good at it now. The one thing I was wondering. See, she's got her papers out. 137 00:29:22.393 --> 00:29:27.632 When we become part of this, they give you a book with all 138 00:29:27.632 --> 00:29:43.648 that?