When we are starting the Tarpon Springs Public Art Committee, we're in the city Hall in the second floor media room. It's
204 on December 3rd. So call to order. Can we do a roll call of members, please? Of course.
Miss Hickey. Present. Miss Taylor. Present. Miss Danoff. Present. Mr. Rock. Present. Chair. Art. Present. Excellent.
So I see we've got several guests. Would would like to acknowledge, if you wouldn't mind coming up to the podium and stating your name and
address or department. Hi, I'm Sophia. I work for Dauntless Contracting. We are located in Trinity, Florida and we are
currently redeveloping a site on US 19 near the corner of Klosterman. It's becoming a bingo hall. So very happy to be
here today. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Hello, everybody. Hello. My name is
Dolores Amaro. I live in New Port Richey and I'm retired, so I'm here to to listen and see what's going on. Welcome. What
is your name again, please? Dolores Amaro. Am r o okay. It's great to see Dolores.
Dolores and I were classmates. Graduated from high school here at Tarpon. I'm pastor royal, and I'm here to just thank you for having me. And I'm just continually have an interest in
representation of my family for the. Rudy Muriel. Thank you. Great. Thank you. I'm Holly
Langston, the sustainability program coordinator. And I'm Jamie Taylor, public services assistant director. Great.
Thank you. Next order of business is to approve the meeting minutes from October
8th, 2025. Do I have a motion on that? I'll make a motion to be accepted as read with necessary corrections. Okay,
I'll second that. Okay. What necessary corrections are those? Do you have any? No. Okay. Anybody else have any corrections? Okay, then we will
take a vote on approving them as they're written. Miss Hickey. Yes, Miss Taylor? Yes, miss Denoff? Yes. And chair. Yes.
Thank you. Excellent. Okay, so we're starting old business. First on the list is the storm Brain Storm Drain mural program.
And I understand Holly is here to give us an update. All right. Do we have the cost on the screen or in the backup? I'm
not sure. Okay, okay, you have it in your packets. Okay. Well, the really the only update that I have is to bring you all an estimate on the cost per kit so that you all could work on the
next step of decision making as to how many train locations you thought that the committee would want to fund. So I got a peer in from Safety Harbor who
manages their program to kind of give me an idea of what they include in their kits. I reviewed that added a few things, and so the best estimate that we can come up with is about $150 per kit. And
that would be dividing out the colors of paint and sort of yeah, we did the cost per quart, I guess, on that. So anyway, that it's it's a like I said,
just $150 per kit. And the reason that we did per kit is just understanding the way that other cities have sort of said essentially, once that kit is used, some of it may be able to
be, you know, cleaned and cared for and put back in another kit, but a lot of it would just be used up at that point. So we just want to identify the full cost per location. Excellent
okay. All right. Thank you so much. You're very welcome. I have a question. Are these storm drains that are, like flat in the in the street? Yes. So they're not. So they wouldn't be painting in the
street. They would be the ones that are more like curb height. So if you are, you know, on say Tarpon Avenue and it's you're kind of on the sidewalk, but then you can see that there's a
storm drain structure there. So it would just be painting and it's not the round one. Correct. So yes. So some of them do have the round metal, you know, manhole cover. And that would
be part of that structure. Some of them do not have that. It just varies by location. But there would be no paint in the street. It would just be the city owned infrastructure designated in a specific. And
who is going to be doing the painting. So there will be a call to artists for that. Yes, yes. So there will be a there will be a call to artists probably at the, you know,
early 2026 sort of time frame, depending on when everything is, is ready to be sent out through the committee. So yes, that's, that's kind of the committee's purview is deciding who, you
know, who those artists will be. But it's I think it's going to be pretty inclusive and, and open to a variety of, you know, anyone who would want to participate. Really. So that's pretty cool. Yeah. Great. Thank
you. You're very welcome. When we last left off was you guys were going to rank the locations that you liked most, and we were going to then come
back and I guess maybe vote on those and then come to a consensus of which ones you wanted to prioritize. Okay.
Let's see. Let me go back to the list. List. Apologies. I'm
trying to find is the list in the new or last it would be in last meeting's packet. I could pull it up on my computer to.
So. Okay. Okay, so phase one. So who has gone through and or who has maybe top five I have
mine okay. What are yours? Okay. The first one on my list is the one at Pine Street and North Cross southwest corner on City
Hall side. Okay. And the reason that I chose that as my first one is if city employees get enthused, enthusiasm is
contagious. And we do want this to succeed. Sure. The second is 160 Tarpon Avenue, the third 167, and both of those, because
of the tourist and all the things that happen on Tarpon Avenue, right. The fourth is
the Martin Luther King Junior Drive, 401 East Martin Luther King, in front of the Union Academy, which I think is packed center. Is that what it
is? Okay. And the fifth Dodecanese and Athens, because then tourists and locals alike will see that too. So. Right. Those are my five. Okay, Katie,
I didn't pick five, but I'm good with whatever you have here. But I was curious. Where is 160 Tarpon Avenue and 160 167? What? What buildings are
those? What? We have them in the Stafford one is where the art kind of pretty close to the the train depot museum. So once
that one's on the south side and one's on the north side, they're kind of like twin train locations, if you will. They they look very similar. They're similar in size, but they're ones on each side of Tarpon
Avenue near the train depot. You're saying that's what those two are? Okay. And the one on MLK, I know they have a they have something already on the ground there that's like a
drawing in the middle of the street. Is that drain drainage anywhere near that? Because they have a big mural already on the ground there on the street, on the street. Okay. Anything that we do won't be
touching the street. That's why I'm asking. Where is that at? Where, where where is this location you're talking about? It's across the street from the.
From the entrance or. Well, actually, the exit of the park center. Yeah, I don't know. That's the Martin Luther King Street. Yeah. Where where's the
where's the Union Academy? It's going to be behind here. Oh. A
church there and a great building and. The building incorporated, I see that like, this is Martin Luther King right here. And this is like kind of the landscaping where
the busses park, you know, the, like there's, like a bus. And then the building would be back there and then like, gross
would be here. Okay, okay. Can I see that? Oh, okay. Oh and that's the entrance to the.
Yeah okay okay. It's like a double entrance. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Any other recommendations? No, that's
that's it for me. I'm okay. That one is that one is West Harmon and Spring Boulevard with the focus. Yeah. Jean, I
know you're brand new. Have you had a chance to look over that material? I haven't seen anything. Okay. All right. Got sworn in yesterday. Yesterday.
Okay. Welcome, welcome. Okay, so excuse me if I ask questions. You guys already know. I just. Please, please do. I remember my first time jumping into
moving projects, so I'm good with. With the recommendations that have been put forward. So if there's no objections. My
only concern is doing the two right across from each other. I think we might be missing out on an opportunity to have it,
you know, spread out a little bit more. And those two, the 160 East Tarpon and 167 East Tarpon Avenue, they are
literally like right across from each other. Yeah. Okay. Kind of bookending the right above the crosswalk. Right. I
think that I would prefer to move to, to keep one of those. I don't really care which one to keep one of those and then change the other one to the
Safford and East Spruce. I know Safford gets a lot of, you know, bike traffic and walking traffic and all that. I think it could be, you know, very
visible. So that's what I would change that one to that one. So it would be 1 or 2. Four, three,
four. Five and eight. And when you're talking about is near the pickleball court. Yeah. Yeah. So the one that's on the,
the two that's near each other, 160 and 167. Which one is on the side where the restaurants. Because people walk over there and they sit over there, the other side of the train depot, 160 is right in front of the
train depot, and 167 is right in front of the paint. The restaurant. Right. The I don't know what it's called. It's called like the art, the paint. It's like the paint store, the
paint brush, paint brush, brush, tip brush tips. Thank you. Okay. It's in front of brush tips. Would you like to see the photo? No, I know you're talking about it, but I was just going to say
maybe that that that we can choose that one because it's people are utilizing that. The 167. Yeah. Okay. So this one will go to phase two. The 160
will say phase two because it would be nice to have, you know, complimentary. So we'll say number two, three, four, five
and eight okay. Can I see. Yeah. And who's the project manager I'm sorry. What number 1234,
five and eight. Right. And 160. Yeah. 167. Number two. That's the one 167 is in front of the depot, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah
it is. So instead of 160 you would like Safford Avenue and East Spruce okay. Is that correct. So we're just instead
of 160. Yes. We'd like the Safford and Spruce okay. Are we good starting with five I think
that's a good prime number. Okay. Do I have a motion? To move forward with those
locations? You mean all these from 2 to 8? Yes. Number two, three, four, five and eight.
One with King. What are you. Oh I'm sorry, I'm looking at. Okay I'm looking at this. Okay, so I guess I should clarify the.
Excuse me. I'm just going to drop it, so I'll have it. Give it right back to you. Thank you. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm looking at a different I'm looking at the.
Okay. So let's just clarify when we make the motion and say the the address okay. So it's
167 Tarpon Ave, Dodecanese in Athens. Safford and spruce, Martin Luther King in front of Union Academy and Pine street
and groves. Okay. Do I have a motion for those locations? I'll make a motion that we accept those locations as the
first five to start on. I'll second. Okay. Roll call. Vote, miss Hickey. Yes, miss. Taylor? Yes, miss. Denoff. Yes. Chair.
Vitello. Yes. All right. That carries. Now, for time's sake, we are moving a new business
proposal up to the next order of business. It's the mural proposal for the Tarpon Springs bingo hall. And we have Sophia here to tell us about it. Sorry.
Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sophia. Yeah? Did you want to go over the call to artists for the storm drain mural to, like, complete it? Yeah. Martha put together a draft for us, and I just. I'm
so sorry. Letterhead. And. But we put it in the packet for you. I missed it, okay. The city of Tarpon Springs is locations.
Are you want to take mine? Yeah. So we're changing. 160 is changed to Safford and Spruce.
Okay. Okay. At the top there's a deadline. So we started with
the deadline. Deadline for submission. So if we put the call out now. We should be able
to get. Do you think we should. We would be able to get submissions by our next meeting. I would think so if we put it out in the next week. So it is
the holiday February probably. Yeah. But yeah, I think I think that would be fair. Well we could at least get maybe have a head start and if we need extra time we can add it, then so
should we say what's the date of our next meeting? February 11th. So all right, let me look
at my calendar. So we would probably want to have a week or
so before that stop. So maybe February 4th or sixth. That sound doable? How long does it usually take for the artist to
respond. Just depends on the project, you know. Have you received any for the I have, yeah. Just put one out for the illuminated art boxes. Oh good. Yeah I had I had a submission I
think within two days. Great. Okay. So that sounds good. Yeah. But if people need time to develop it, we want to make sure that they have that. And nothing's going to happen on it until we meet. But we want to
make sure that we have time between the deadline and the 11th to get the materials together, so we have a chance to look at it. So I'm thinking the fourth that should be
February 4th. Okay. So project manager from our side, excuse me, Martha is the project
manager from our side. Yes. Okay. 2026 okay. Okay. An
honorarium. So we want to discuss the honorarium. What you can or cannot do. It's up to you guys. Yeah. Because
you're giving them the paint to paint the thing. Sure. Do you want to pay them in addition? That's up to you guys. I think to get interest started off quickly. I think, you know, a
modest honorarium would be a good idea. They'll probably spend at least half a day out there working on it. I'm trying
to think if we want to get more youth groups involved, too, that maybe $100 would be pretty exciting if 3 or 4 kids wanted to get involved in doing it.
Does anybody have any other recommendations for an honorarium? I was going to say about two 5250, okay. If it was a group of four, would they
each get 250 or would they be splitting it? It's per drain. I would, I would say yeah, okay. And then how you doing. The call the artists for the kids.
Well I'll talk to Brandon about that. But I was going to reach out directly to the schools and maybe somebody else could be
responsible for reaching out to other groups, Girl Scouts, other youth groups. But I'm open to recommendations. I spoke with Lori Weaver. She was
saying that they're having something down at Union Academy at camp on Friday. Maybe she can give us ideas on kids that they're doing an art program there on Friday. Okay, so maybe
she can recommend some kids. Yeah, maybe we could get some printouts. Are you planning on going to that at all? I will show, yeah. Okay. Well, maybe if you wanted to take a few of
these to give them to handout, that would be a good start. I was I was going to reach out to the schools. You could put it at the public library and the kids action boys, boys and
girls clubs, boys and girls clubs, Boy Scouts, girl Scouts, coffee kids, cops and kids. Exactly. Yeah, a lot of good programs. We could. Yeah. Do we
have can we email this to those programs okay. To work with okay on that. All right. So we'll do those email to those programs if you want to drop
those off at the thing on Friday. And then I'll reach out to the to the schools, I'm thinking probably middle school and high school. Younger kids
might be a little I'm worried about street, you know, being so close to the street and all that. So high school and middle school. I love that we're including the kids. Yeah, I
think it's it's an important part of just building, you know, community pride and involvement. And I think it will be fun, educational, educational. And
yeah, just, you know, having them be involved in public art in general and understanding the value of it and seeing it for themselves. Some really talented kids there too, I've
been oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll get them from you, Brandon. I'll get copies from you. Yes, I can put them together for you. Thank you. Okay. So we've got
two 5000. Anybody else for the honorarium? $100. A lot for a kid, I think. Yeah, but there's probably going to be more than
one kid. I would think. I would think it's a piece, right? No, not a piece. This honorarium is for whoever does is per drain. Okay? Because, you know, it's
also to keep a handle on the cost, too. Like, we don't want to be, like, 50 people show up to do, you know, one painting. So in regards just in regards to payment, whoever gets paid
from the city of Tarpon Springs has become a vendor for the city of Tarpon Springs, which means they have to submit a vendor application and a w-9. Okay. So is there a cost associated with that? There is
not. It's just if it is a group of four like it will have to be like four ways for vendors. Like I was going to say like faithfully split between the
team, I would just say, but we could include the language in the call to artist in regards to compensation that like artists representative Will
must become a vendor for the City of Tarpon Spring and submit an application and a w-9 for payment. Okay. And then if it is a team of four, then they
just have to discuss who's submitting their w-9 and splitting the. Could it be like that? Could we say name your team and that's who the vendor would be as the team has to be
an individual? Okay, LLC individual, you have to have a tax ID or W-9 attached to it. So either be a singular person or a corporation or LLC. Right.
So maybe the troop leader or the teacher or. Yeah, something like that. Okay. Yeah. We definitely want to add. A parent potentially. Yeah. So
definitely add add that verbiage. Yeah okay. Add info about vendor. And that'll be a
call to artists to tell them that right. Yes. That's what we're talking about. Yeah. We'll be adding that to to the call to artists that's in your packet. Are you guys okay with
the background and design theme? I'll pull it up so we can see it too. Only rain down the
drain. Yeah, I think the background sounds good.
Design theme. I'm good with any edits to either background or design theme. I think it looks really
good. You guys did a great job. Thank you. Okay, I guess $100 is good. Well, I mean, I'm, I
would say split the difference and say 200. 50. Each of four people get together. Yeah, yeah. Do you remember what the what the Honorariums were for like
Pinellas Park or Dunedin? I think it varies pretty widely. Widely rather. But I think the largest I saw was maybe $500.
But I thought that was maybe, you know, that's obviously very generous. So it's really up to you all. Some don't do an honorarium at all. So as Megan
said, it's really, you know, up to your just purview as to what you think might apply here. But I would think, as you said, if you want to get people excited,
it would be nice to give them a little something and thinking about if it is a professional artist, even if it even if they are, that would still be essentially volunteering their time. You know, $200 for a professional artist wouldn't be,
you know, what they would what would typically cover their time. So I think it would be a nice gesture. But, you know, the amount is completely up to you all, whether it's zero or
more than that. So yeah. Thank you. Okay. So. Do we want to go with 200. 200 I think it's an
even number. It is a nice even number. Fun with that for the kids I think they'd be excited over. Oh yeah. And you know the teacher can say oh we'll have a pizza party or whatever. Yeah.
And then, you know, for artists, if there's professional artists that want to do it, it's not like it's a huge thing. And hopefully they would, you know,
be excited about the theme and all that as well. And if we don't get a bunch of submissions, we can always
revisit. Follow no fee to enter to be a resident. Okay, so we do want to make them be a
resident of Tarpon Springs. We didn't have that. I don't believe in the oh, you do not have to be a resident. Okay,
let me read instead of skim design sample should be bold, original. Excellent. Artists are welcome to submit more than one design submissions must be
received by. That is the February 4th, two 426. Selected artists will be notified by
email by February 12th. We meet on the 11th, so 12 to 12 2626
and drains must be painted by. What do we think? You want to give him? Like a month? You
think that's enough time? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I think spread it out just a little bit more than a month, just for the sake of, you know, weather and also
public works, you know, if they're the ones managing the kids or if it's me, just depending on how that goes from the staff perspective, it might be nice to just have a little bit, you know, of a buffer where they're spread out. But
that would just be just a suggestion. You can absolutely do it for whatever you think, obviously before the hot months. Right. So some something between, you know, one and and a couple or a few months is
probably pretty reasonable. Or do you think two months would be adequate? I think so too. Yeah. I would say 2 to 3 months maybe. That way if there are five locations, you know, one
could be just depending on how how it works in everyone's schedule. But that gives more flexibility, I think. Well, we're we're meeting and.
February 11th, we'll have those submissions. They'll be notified on the 12th. We meet again in April. So that would
be two months. But it's the eighth, so that would be less than two months. So if we want to do for the next meeting June, that would give a full almost a full four months. That's fair
to allow for weather and yeah, things that happen. And like I said, Public Works might have a project that could just, you know, take away opportunities to do the projects. Right. Well,
and hopefully they'll putting in be putting in illuminated light boxes in March. So yeah. So why don't we say June 1st.
And that'll give us time to get pictures and stuff that we can bring it to the meeting on June
10th to say, okay, so six 126 must be painted by. We might want to put something in here
that says. Or I'm thinking, because we don't want everybody doing it all on the same day, because that would overwhelm public works. So should we
provide a schedule of dates or does that need to be put in here? I would think it would be something we could coordinate directly with the artists based on their availability as
opposed to. That's what I would say is just saying coordinate, you know, you'll reach out to it would probably be me and I can coordinate with public works or something like that to make sure that it's an open
date we wouldn't want. Yeah, I think that would be okay. The best thing. So we'll discuss that with doesn't need to be in here. We'll discuss that when the selections are made. Yeah. We could just say, you know
project time period are available dates to work on. Art will be, you know, coordinated and based on a mutually agreeable time or however we want to word it. Yeah, I think.
I think given we're, you know, providing four months we'll be able to find one. And if not, we can always have alternate
selections. Okay. Must be submitted image. Martha. I have a question. Yes. Do we need to
put anything about stencils in there? I didn't even think about it when I was writing this. I think I think that's I think that will be a discussion like they've already they will
be submitting something. So let's if they want to use stencils, they will. Let's not put that in their head. But you know, let's just see what they
come up with. And again, if if it turns out we've got difficulties getting submissions, then we'll we'll make adjustments there. But I think less words is better at this point. And we can decide
that later on. Does that work for everybody okay. All right. I have one suggestion. If you guys are interested. It's a good project and maybe we could
get an article in the Tarpon Springs paper. I can't think of what it's called right now, but just something in there would be our committee did. And yes,
and I'd also like to see if we could get it on Connect Tarpon. Yeah. So you want the call to artists to be featured in the beacon? Is that what you were
saying, Jean? If they would know the accomplishment. Yeah, the accomplishment, but I would. I would if we could get some sort of article in there, I think that would reach a wide
range of people. So if we could do that, that would be great. I can do that. Are you now talking about the accomplishment or the call to artist? Well, I'd like to have the call to artists. Just an
article about what we're doing and and. Yeah. And and then also once it's done, maybe they would be happy to do a follow up and say more projects coming soon. You know, more
opportunities coming soon. Typically we would send a press release or if you have a relationship with a reporter or writer directly, you could reach out directly to probably
best to do both. Yeah, I would think so. Does it do you guys have a connection over there? Yeah, we work with a few writers at the Beacon and the Suncoast News regularly, so I'd
be happy to send out a press release and email just to introduce them to the project and give them the details. That would be great. And, you know, if they wanted to talk to
Martha or myself about the project and just to kind of give it a little oomph, you know, really just touting the community involvement, I think is is the key here. We could
put Martha on Bay news nine. There you go. That's right. Okay. So any other additions or
changes or deletions from this draft call to artists. Okay. Do I have a motion to move forward with this call to artist? With
the changes that we've made? I'll make the motion move ahead. I'll send it. Okay. Roll call.
Vote. Miss Hickey. Yes, miss Taylor? Yes, miss. Denoff? Yes, chair. Yes. Great. So exciting. Okay. It is exciting. Thanks,
Holly. You can have Holly. Thank you. Sure. Thanks for getting me up to speed. Okay.
So. My sheet. Okay. Excellent. Next order of business is the update for the Coach Rudy mural. The protective and preservation
options. Are we going to do. Oh, Sophia, jump! Oh! Oh. I'm sorry. Yes. Here we go. Moving up is the mural proposal for the Tarpon Springs bingo hall with
Sophia. Tell us all about it. Yes. So it's actually not going to be a mural. The owner of the property is wanting to do a different type of media. More
like a sculpture. So I'm sure we've all seen the big red ball right outside of target. So he's wanting to do something to that effect and make it an
oversize bingo ball. So it's going to look like a bingo ball on one side. And then the other side will have an image of that will be painted by the artists
that we are also wanting to get approved. Aaron Evans I submitted his information with our application. So we're wanting to paint something with
a sponge diver to really incorporate the, you know, that part of the culture of Tarpon Springs on the other side of the bingo ball? It'll be on. So
if you're heading south on 19, the building is, as I mentioned, toward the corner of Klosterman. And when you're heading south,
you'll see the north side of the building. So the northeast corner where you're driving south, the ball will essentially be like at right at
that corner, which is where the front entrance of the bingo hall will be. Okay. So I, I live right at 19 and Klosterman just distant and Klosterman
actually. So I know that there's a car wash. There's a convenience store, convenience store. And then the big complex
behind the other convenience store. So where is it in relation to that? So on Klosterman, you have the I believe it's a racetrack on one side of it, and then the car
wash on the other side. Right? So if you continue heading north, it's about three properties north of that car wash. So it's next to Sarah Van
Plaza. Okay. And next it's in between Sarah Van Plaza and a storage unit. Gotcha. So it's a you can't miss it. It's a teal building being built on the
side of 19. So I'm sure next time you drive by you'll definitely notice it. It did used to be a Mexican restaurant. Yep. So we're redeveloping that property. Some of the we use
the existing slab and added on an additional 3000ft■!S to that. So there'll be a a bingo hall in town, old Mexican restaurant.
But if you remember that I do, I do. Is that going to get in the way of the bingo hall that's on just before the the
donut is a if you're referring to Belcher bingo is that mirrors I think you're right. Yes. I'm not too sure. The
owner of this particular bingo hall has several. One in Lago. He also does currently own one in Tarpon Springs, which is already on 19. Actually a few
properties north of this property. So he purchased this. You know, what used to be the Mexican restaurant in hopes of making a bigger facility, a
more updated facility for the Belcher bingo that already exists on 19. Okay, well, that's Tarpons Lake, our bingo.
I know, I'm excited to go once we open near hole in the wall donut. Is that. Yes. Yep. Exactly. Yep. We like to go to be. What is it? Near hole in
the wall. Yes. Yeah. Okay, now I know. Yep. Yeah. We stop by. We stop by there and we'll buy donuts for the for the people working on our job site on
Fridays. It's delicious. So. Yeah. Okay. And so the artist hasn't changed, even though it's changed from a mural to
more of a sculpture. Correct. So I'm not too sure if originally we had said, you know, that it would be a mural
last minute, the owner kind of changed up his idea, but we were under the impression that the meeting was going to be held next week. So we kind of
had to, you know, say to the owner, hey, you know, let's yeah, we got to finalize this idea and whatnot. So the images that we submitted are just
renderings right now. If, you know, you guys are wanting to see a really finalized design, that's definitely something that we can provide. But the
artist remains the same. He actually did some work on that same property for us. We have a sea container and he painted the Dauntless contracting logo
on the side of our sea container. So he's he's well rounded and done a lot of projects in the Tampa Bay area. Yeah, I see on the describe
artwork on the application, it says a functional bollard designed to depict an oversize bingo ball. Yes. Excellent.
Okay. So I guess we need to. So Don, before before we jump into it too far. Megan did bring something to my attention. The
speed limit is above our max speed limit outlined in the ordinance. I think we have a cap of 35mph for locations adjacent or near roadways. For
public art. That's something that we'll have to look closely at and see if there's any workarounds or if it's. Or if
it is absolutely prohibited. Yeah. Let's check on that, because it'd be a shame to just not be able to have any art on 19. Yeah, I could take this and
take a peek, but Megan just pointed out, so I wanted to make sure that was brought up. Yeah. Excuse me, what is the
speed limit on Martin Luther King? Isn't it 45? No. No 30. Yeah I mean everybody drives so fast. I don't know. Is it 35?
And just so I don't know, I just so that I can share with what I'm referring to is 295 in our ordinance artwork selection criteria, the following criteria minimum shall be
considered by the public art and selection of artwork. Skip some. Be maximum visual accessibility to pedestrian or vehicular traffic. Locations
adjacent or near roadways with speed zones over 35mph shall be prohibited, unless it is demonstrated that the proposed artwork is located in a manner that does not constitute a
safety hazard, as set forth in the public Art program guidelines. Okay, I think that sounds to me like, you know, we're talking about pedestrian and local, whereas 19 I don't
think is considered local traffic. And I think that that what this proposal is doesn't seem to be something people are going to have to stop and, you
know, peruse for a long time to get it. So yeah, see, see if we're precluded because it seems to me that that would be
a serious limitation to not have anything on 19, particularly for future stuff, you know, directing people to our other stuff. So absolutely.
And I will say, I'm not sure if this pertains to, you know, these ordinances, but we were actually we contracted to do this artwork due to the
permitting department's requirements for a public art, you know, display due to the, you know, the price point on this project. So I don't know if that's something that we
could further discuss with them or, you know, just I just wanted to throw that out there in case it does have something to do with with that. Okay. Yeah. We'll look into it
further on our end. We'll check with the necessary departments and possibly the city attorney for their advice. I just wanted to point it out because Megan had just brought it to my attention before we. Yeah. And
I had noticed that as well. So I'm. I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah. Me too. So it sounds like we need to get
answers on that. And. We can approve. I guess we should probably wait till the next one to approve moving forward to, to give the approval for it.
And we would need before we could do a final approval, we would need a finished rendered. But you should have the concept work in your. I have the
concept work. Yeah. And the other point I want to make to that point would be this project is scheduled to wrap up
end of January. We can't receive our certificate of occupancy until this artwork is fulfilled. Okay, so we were hoping that we could get
something approved today, even if it's just a conditional. Correct? Are we allowed to do
that? I don't know, that's a good question. Building rather boards. They do a conditional. You can do that. And I mean at
this point you could approve like maybe like you've talked about the idea, you've looked at the artist and the you have the concept. So if the
ordinance like if it works out like conditional approval pending the 35 mile per hour okay of the ordinance and the final approval of the artwork. Right. And that would at least
give us enough on our end to contract with the artist. Yeah. And, you know, get the ball rolling from, from this point on. Yeah. Would it be something
that. I mean we don't meet again until February, right? February 11th. So I mean, that's that's just where we are.
We would have to meet to finalize the final design. But we can okay the concept. Yeah. On the artwork. Tarpon is very
diverse. So I like the drawing of the Tarpon Springs with the sponge. But is it anywhere on the ball that you can advertise something? Additional stuff besides just the sponge? I mean,
if there was a different idea that you guys had in mind, I definitely don't have a problem bringing that to the owner of our property. Yeah, his his
main desire is to have the oversize bingo ball. So I don't if, you know, like I said, if you had another idea for what exact artwork would want to be on there, I'm sure he'd be open
to considering that. Okay, looks good, but I'm just thinking is more to do than just the sponging you got. You got downtown where you got stores. Definitely restaurants.
You got businesses. A lot of nature. Yeah, a lot of nature. So we got that that historic lighthouse on down there in the
shells and, you know, the the island where you see the shell. And. Yeah. So I had actually had that thought too, when you said sponging. We do have a lot of sponge stuff, so it might be
nice since it's kind of separated from the sponge docks, to maybe have something else that's indicative of Tarpon Springs. You know, we're in the Nature Coast and all that kind
of stuff. So if, if, when you provide the renderings, if you could give options like three different of the visual. That would be nice or, you know,
maybe not any additional thing other than the bingo ball, you know, it's it's we would like to see some other options other than, you know, in addition to the sponging. But and then my
thing I do want it to look like obviously like a bingo ball. So I would recommend adding the letter on that. This one just has seven, right. So usually it
would have like a B above it wouldn't it. To my knowledge, just being in this bingo hall world right now. Yeah we've been seeing them like his
particular bingo balls just have the number on them. But I think that one does look a little bit different, probably because it's usually a solid color with a circle around the
number. Gotcha. But like I said, if you know you guys have different ideas or things that you might want to see as the artwork, I don't think that the
owner has any opposition to considering those ideas. Okay. On the side, on the one that says Tarpon Springs, Florida, you have room on each side to put something. If you left that
sponge there, you can still put stuff on the side, right? It can still be visible. Yeah. Well, I'm assuming that this is just for rendering purposes, that they're both on the same side. I imagine one. Right. So
one would be on the opposite side. Exactly. The other side. Right. No. Just on the other side of the one ball on the other. So there will be something on either side of
that ball or if there's a back and front to a ball. Yeah. Opposite. Opposite. Yeah. So in,
in theory I'm, I'm down to doing a conditional motion to move to proceed with this on the condition of the ordinance
and the approval of the final artwork. And, you know, if you want to take back our our comments about potential artwork, that would be great.
Yeah. Anybody else have anything to add before we. Okay. Anybody want to make a motion?
Do you want to make a motion gene or do you see me gene. No I said Katie first. But you are also here. You can make a motion if you want. I guess I
make a motion that we approve the art with the stipulation that we may edit it a little bit. Something like that. Does
that sound right? Maybe make a motion that we proceed with the project on conditionally with checking on the ordinance and
final approval of the artwork. That second motion to conditionally accept the project proposal for the bingo hall, dependent of the 35 mile per hour section of the
ordinance. Ordinance and the proposed artwork design. Sounds good. Katie seconded. So roll call, Miss Hickey. Yes, miss
Taylor? Yes, miss. Denoff? Yes, chair. Hello. Yes. Awesome. Thank you all very much I appreciate it. Thank you, thank
you. Okay, now go back to my cheat sheet. What did I do with it? Back to the Coach Rudy mural. Yes. So now we're back to old business number two, an
update on the Coach Rudy mural. Protective slash preservation options. By Jamie Taylor, public services assistant
director. I'll show the panel around. But Charmaine did drop off a metal panel with also the protective adhesion on top of
it. She did let me know that any sort of epoxy would yellow in time. With this panel, I did my best to go back to my middle school days. I took a Sharpie
marker to it, put my initials all those things, and was able to clean it off. So that was nice little test there. I did scrape it with a set of car keys and you know, there was a
little bit more protection than what what would have happened. But it is still a little bit noticeable. Previously when I was on the wall material, if if
it got scraped at all, it would just leave a little piece that someone could grab onto and pull and run with. This will not do that. So that's another benefit of it. But you know,
for me, I think we're at the best, best case scenario of moving forward with the design on the metal paneling for the best esthetic look, and then
also with the protection on top of it, the protective coating came out to, I think like $769 additional and that was it. So total comes to about $5,600 for
the three panels. It's not they can't do it in just one panel. So there would be three separate panels next to each other on the wall. And we may end up doing a. Some sort of
like framing or border around it. It depends on how it gets adhered to the wall. And so, you know, it's not a pinch point or something like that.
So let me show it around. But if you have any questions, let me know. Excellent. What is the total? Total. I have it written
down here. It's $5,638 initials all over this smiley faces. Oh, wow. So it came right off. And that's not bad with the. They
can't pull it off. Yeah. So you can scrape it. But that's going to be. Yeah. Scrape anything. At least it's not going to. It'll still have the edges
protected somewhat though. Yeah. Yeah I like that. And that's the reason to frame it right. To protect things from getting caught on the edge as it goes by. Yeah. So those panels will
be kind of like bolted together. Is that what you're saying? Jamie will be next to each other, but bolted up to the
wall. Yeah, yeah. Nice. Okay, so. I guess we just need a motion on whether we're going to proceed with that special
coating. And the new panels. Do I have a motion? Make a motion. We move forward with the design and the special metal paneling
and protection covering for the Rudy mural design. Second. I'll second it. Okay. Roll call,
Miss Hickey. Yes, miss Taylor? Yes, miss. Denoff? Yes, chair. Yes. Excellent. Thank you. Jamie. What a time frame to have it. You know, I think with the holidays at best, we're
looking with January timeline. That said, it all depends on what Speed Pro has available. But there's no reason for us to delay in letting them know, hey, we want to move forward with
this and the amount of work they did to try and get us this estimate. And best case scenario, as far as protection on it, they're they're eager to
to complete it as well. You know, they've they've put it up on the wall a couple times now. And you know so Charmaine and they've been great. So I would say January or February is a
realistic timeline okay. What do you think that's that works. All right okay. Cool. Thank you. Excellent. Thank you so much for your work on that. Thanks,
Jamie. Okay. Next up is old business update on the illuminated art boxes. So we got about a week after our last
meeting. Week or so after our last meeting, we got the call to artist out and I have already been receiving submissions, so that's
excellent. Bye bye bye. Thank you I think you're going to be muted for number five. All right. Nice try. Oh man I
thought you were going to. He was running out scooter. So that's what I have so far is as they're coming in I'm numbering
them. And like anonymizing them I guess so that they'll be in a spreadsheet and the files will be numbered so that on our next, next meeting, we should be able
to take a look at all of them and decide. I'm planning on being able to send everybody a PDF of the all of the
submissions, so that you can look at them and pick out your favorites and and do your voting. Before we come to the meeting. At the meeting, we'll do the final discussion and voting on it and get them
finalized in February. Hopefully they will be up by March. Okay, okay. Any questions? I was just wondering if I can get a copy of the Call
to Artist because I'm president of the Tarpon Springs Art Association. Oh, okay. Keep asking me for it. Oh, okay. Yeah. Brandon, can you just
email? Absolutely. Okay. Thank you. Brandon will email that to you. Any other questions or comments about this item? Could
we offer it to the kids? Yes. I don't know what we've done so far to get involvement from kids and groups, but if we could do the same thing that we
were talking about with the other, all reach out to the schools. And Brandon, if you can reach out to the other groups that you are able to.
Katie, maybe you might want to take some printouts of that to the thing on Friday as well. Okay, Brandon, give them to me. I'll take them. How many do you think you would need? I can
print out as much as you need. I don't know, maybe 25, 30. Okay. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.
Okay. One question about this. How often are we going to change these? Well, ideally we do. We change them every year.
The, the the span for having it up. There is one year we had some turmoil and some turnover and other things that have happened. So they've been up
there about two, a little over two years now. But we also changed the timeline on it because it was coinciding with a lot of very busy city work
stuff to to shift it down to February, March. So hopefully that will make the process a little easier. But they are supposed to be up for one year
and. If you see the call to artists, it has that in there. It's for one year. Okay. Yeah. If anybody was like those have been up there longer than one year, there were exigent
circumstances. So I know that. I just thought maybe we could do it more than once a year, but it sounds like it's a it's a big it's a big undertaking. Yeah. And to to get the
submissions and to go to the expense of having because they're, they're like adhered to a panel. And then you put the panel up in the thing and
then once it's over with, they take it out. They clean all that off of the panel so we can reuse the panels and not have to pay for them again. So it's call to our staff. Yes. It's
pretty much a citywide citywide endeavor. So yeah, it's a big it's a big project. So okay.
Any other comments or questions about that okay. Update for the mural proposal for public Works
bleachers. Who is our liaison for that? I think we were just going to try to get a little more information, which I reached out to Paul Hopkins, who was the city staff member.
He's a stormwater senior technician who had made the proposal. He had made the suggestion in the city staff comment box that it would be a great place for mural. Sure.
Which, you know, I agree. And we reached back out to him to get the approximate square footage, because I think that's what we were looking at for, you know, when a call to artist,
that's part of what the pricing is based on. Sure. And he came back with approximately 1750ft■S of space. So it's a big where's
this located? Right across the street from here, the Public Works bleacher building. So if you're looking out the front main steps of City Hall directly across the street. Yeah. In the building, slightly
to the left is the building that is being recommended for mural. And it's funny, I've walked out those steps a number of times since I started being on this committee, and I've
never really taken note, but after the last meeting I walked out, I was like, it does look like bleachers go around it. It sure is. Yeah, it's hard to tell. So, but yeah, it's very
visible for anybody coming to Tarpon Springs, City Hall and neighborhoods and all that kind of stuff. So. So we're talking 1700 and 50ft■!S now, was that
just that the end? It was the three sides. You guys had asked about the let me see the two ends and the street facing. Correct. Okay. He did say,
though, that the West End. So if you're like the left end towards the, the the golf trail, that end is kind of blocked by
a fence. Yeah. Okay. Not really visible from the road as much as the other, but the right end and the wall. Okay. I think we should probably stick if that's
got a fence and all that, then why. Yeah, why mess with that I would think. And we had talked about maybe not doing the entire street facing wall. It's quite large, but maybe
something along the top that ties in the side. So I think the, the east side and the street facing side, South side
would be great. Okay. So I guess next steps is to find a see if we want to proceed with this project and put one of our
committee members in charge of liaising and moving forward with really have a theme like, yeah, we didn't really pick a theme. I know we had kind of discussed the potential of
surveying the employees that worked in the building. I don't know, maybe Katie brought that up last time, or maybe you don't kind of remember someone just mentioning that, that maybe we'd see what they would
like, right? Interested? Maybe it was a guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I think that coming from whoever proposed it or people that are working in
that building, I think their recommendations would be, you know, a high priority and we would need that input before we put out a call to artist, because we do need to have that
finalized for call to artist to artist. Just thinking high school and that, you know, that was the bleachers facing the football field. And, you know, something along that might be a cool little, like tie into the
history of it. But that's just my. So, yeah. And, you know, I'd like to I'd like to kind of make sure that everybody keeps
in mind that it doesn't necessarily have to be a thing. You know, it doesn't have to be like a literal, you know, we could paint an old timey football game on there. I think that would be really cool. But
we could also have something abstract that, you know, or nature wise or, you know, I think that that would be if we can get some kind of theme, that or just something for the
call to artist that says, you know, we're open to ideas, you know, come with your best thing that would be appropriate for this setting in this area. We,
you know, I, I hesitate to put limitations on the art submission project process because that's what artists do. They they, you know, are
supposed to come up with something amazing. So but yes, if, if the, the people proposing it, the people that work in the building, if they have some recommendations, we
definitely want to include that as a, for instance, on the call to artists. But I do want to make sure that it's kept open for artistic expression too, as
long as it's appropriate. So it was a high school at one point. So yeah, the the bleachers for the high school, high school. So related to high school sports or something, something
or you know, could be a lot of things, but kind of fun to find out who was on a team. You know like Costa Vatikiotis. Yeah. That year they still meet. Well,
we don't want to have any recognizable faces. I'm just saying that, you know, my my inclination is to not not go down that rabbit hole again
about that building. When I was a teenager, I used to we used to dress in blue jumpsuits and we used to run off to cross the field, exercise, oh, this building and go across the street, change our clothes in
the locker room, and then we'll do phys ed across the street. Oh. Very cool. Yeah. So I mean, there's there's all kinds of directions that can go. I would
like to keep it open, but also get the feedback from the people proposing it. So who
wants to be the liaison? To head up this getting information. I see your eyebrows coming this way, Jean. Well, the only reason is because we're all currently
working on other projects. So if it would be something that you're comfortable with, that would be great. If not, you know, I just need to know who to talk to and where to go and what to do. I can get you in
touch with the right people at the building. Yeah. Okay. So Jean is going to be our liaison and project coordinator for the committee. We'll just throw you
right into the right. Into the fire. Yeah. Okay. We don't need to be voting on this or anything. Right? Okay. Any
other comments on this before we move to the next item? No. Excellent. So the next item on old business is Art in the Park
PAC fund usage. I notice we had a. Where did I put it. There's some ordinance pages in your packet with highlighted
verbiage. Right? I was looking at those. So yesterday we were able to get a meeting with Andrew Saltzman, the city attorney, to go over the ordinance and to get his
direction on fund usage and what, you know, what is allowable within the ordinance and what isn't. And, you know, we brought up this specific use case of art in the park or some
sort of festival or event. And, you know, he did advise us against using the funds for any type of event or activities
outside of our normal scope of procuring art for the city. He did say that if we were going to do like we had originally talked about QR codes and doing
pamphlets or, you know, materials to accompany the art, he said, that's fine. That's within the purview of the ordinance and the scope. But he
said the ordinance, the way it was written is very specific as to what our. Our options are
for using the public art fund. So. Right. I'm sorry, Katie, he did make it very clear that this wasn't something that we could be doing, you know, so
I'm kind of indifferent with him because on the, on the all of the street paintings of the drainage ditches and stuff, it was all it was all about kids
education and promotion and all this stuff with this art in the park. How much did we spend on that exhibit for that sponge? Bahamian sponger. Well, what was it over 10,000 for Stephen
Oliver? That project over ten. It was over ten. So we got a $10,000 art piece sitting out there that that's educational. And it was done by actual
artists that came through this committee. That's education. It also it also highlights this, this committee to the public because we're not in the public.
They don't they don't really know about this, this committee, unless you're doing something with a street pole or a side of a building. So we're if if he
feels like that, what's the next step should I take to try to get this approved? Well, the event could happen. It just can't be funded by the public art committee. It can still
occur. The public art committee members can still go and support it. Just things outside of like materials that would
directly support the art, as in like a pamphlet or a flier or, you know, the QR code creation, like we had talked about, like we couldn't, you know, buy food
and drinks and, you know, other supplies for a party with public art funds. Right. But there's no reason the event can't happen. It just can't be funded and supported
financially by the public art committee. But we could support it with our time and go and and talk to people, do a presentation, maybe talk to Stephen about possibly being
there. And if we already know the other artist is willing to come the second artist for the mural, because it wasn't just Stephen, it was another artist there. And also for the coach.
Rudy. Yeah, yeah, he's willing to come and. I guess I guess it's the viewpoints of this committee that I'm thinking
about that art is the art committee, but it won't approve an event that's going to really the unveiling need to be done
again because it's been moved. And that's all part of the art in the park, was to have that art unveiled again, the one that's from the Bahamian sponge.
The other one was done properly, but also talk to kids about the the artist can talk to kids, so I'm not sure where it's not falling in the educational line,
where it's not falling in the promotional line. Where where is it not a benefit of value to this committee to support this? And we're going to go somewhere else and try to find money. But
I'm trying trying to understand that that we can paint a drainage, we can paint a, the lid of a, of a street lid on a drainage ditch. But you won't support buying hot dogs for
kids to come to an event to learn something about a a $10,000 piece of art that we put up in a park. So I'm just not. I guess I just want to try to maybe I don't know if as a
member. Yeah, well, can I ask to meet with him? I'd like a little more. I'd say that the ordinance would have to be changed or updated, which would mean the BOC would have to then
approve that. And we can take something. We can bring this to BOC, potentially. Yeah. I could look into what I mean, if that's what you all wanted to do, then you know that that's
would have $2,500. I mean, if they want to make it less than they can and we can find other funding. But I think this committee should support that with funds because it's art.
You spend 10,000, over $10,000 on a project. So maybe we can ask Jamie because Jamie is here. I don't know, maybe he can give us his input. As far as the
park, I mean, it's part of it. And if you look at the the highlighted part of the ordinance, it says promotion and public education, including brochures on site, descriptive
plaques, dedication and public art tours. So none of that, I mean, we could do a public art tour of it. The group could,
but that doesn't mean, you know, food and drinks and rides and all that kind of stuff. But it would mean, you know, brochures. We could we could hand out
fliers to say, you know, and maybe even, like coloring pages or stuff like that to promote it as part of the unveiling, if you want to call it unveiling,
call it something. The dedication. Well, but none of our dedications have any of that stuff. No expense to it, I said. We meet there, we promote
it, we, you know, introduce it to the. But it's not a but on that same note, when this first when this first when it was
first unveiled, it was 11:00 I think on a Tuesday morning and hardly anybody was there. So, so with with it being at a park, we could have it on a day that
more public people can be involved, even know about the park, about that piece and, and our art that was put in it, you know, the artist, meet the artist. The main thing is to
have people meet these artists. Right. And so that that can certainly we can do a rededication and we can have materials there to hand out, and we can talk to the artists
about being there, but turning it into a fair just isn't within our purview. Okay, for the funds. But, you know, as far as us supporting it, happy
to do that. And, you know, if if we did have it, say on a Saturday at 10 a.m. where a lot of people can come, you know, that is certainly an option. I
just in order to introduce it and educate about it, I don't really think we need to have all this other stuff. It's fun, it's nice, but it's just not in
our purview. But I do want to, you know, like to meet the artists, see what? Where the art council can fit it in to
help make this event happen. Not necessarily with all the bells and whistles that I had. We might need to tone it back a little bit, but we need to unveiling a dedication and meet
the artist. Everything about art and education because the the at the tree tree lighting last night with the with the mayor up there. He was
suggesting yeah, we've already talked about it, but it just hasn't happened as too far as far as identifying all those pictures on that, on that, on
all three panels up there for the for the exhibit. Nobody know who they are. We got people that ask for them pictures to be removed. Somebody was asking, have we contacted them to get them put
back? Now that they've put moved the exhibit, they might say, okay, put my pictures back. No, no, no, we've already spent a lot of money on that. And
yeah, especially the you can't do that Coach Rudy thing. They repaired that a few times and now they want $5,600 to do it
yet again. Well, it wasn't the it wasn't the fact that it was vandalism and stuff like that. It was just the material, the type of material that was put on that wall. And the wall
wasn't cured, the wall wasn't finished. So the the art came off. So it's not a negative view on just because it's open, but still a lot of money to
keep putting into it. You know, this time hopefully this will work where we won't have to put any more money into it. But when you when you're spending over $10,000 on a art project, I just feel like I would like
to see something be another unveiling. I mean, dedication, whatever. I mean, we could have art in the park rededication of of this park. Just just
something I mean, we are we would be talking about art in the park, and there is art in the park. And we could, you know, meet there, have it on a day where, you know, everybody
could come if they have working parents or whatever and have materials there to hand out, trying to have both artists there to talk about it, all of that. But none of that really
requires a budget. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's that's what we, you know, that was has been my thought all along is we can actually have an event. It's just not like a fair you know,
it's not food and drinks and, and all that kind of stuff, but definitely a dedication and educational materials to hand out, you know, artists meet the
artist. And, you know, we could have information about Coach Rudy. We could have information about the Black Heritage Art
project. We could have information about Steven and have them there and, you know, really make it personal to whoever comes. And hopefully they will tell their friends
and their friends will tell their other friends. So absolutely, I'm 100% behind that. It's just not a, not a, a budgetary thing that we can do.
As far as you know, we can we can pay for educational materials. Will do, you know, whatever educational materials we need and we'll make our time available. So and we'll we were
I was just fresh on the board at the time when we started talking about that, I think, what's her name? She's not here no more. Mimi's. Beaver. Beaver.
Beaver. She was going to do the brochure, but it never happened. She was going to do that brochure. And that's what he's talking about last night. We can have a go back to put that little pocket. You know, the
little side. Well, we we have a we have a website and I think the the and code. Yeah. Or and put a URL on there too. If, if
you're worried about people not, you know, being able to use the code but but having it on our website with all the other public artwork that you know is
in the art walk that way, it will be part of a cohesive thing. And in my opinion, this is just my opinion. Those brochure holder things. They
seem a little cheesy to me in this day and age. You know, even. Yeah, you got to keep replacing them. They could get damaged. You got to make sure
somebody's got to go out there and make sure there's brochures in there. It's just a lot of ongoing follow up work where if we have a QR code in a metallic
format, you know, something that can't be altered easily and put it with the rest of our public art stuff, that it will give it more visibility if
people are looking at other stuff. And and conversely, you know, if they're looking at that, if they go to look at that, maybe they'll see all the other public art that we have. So definitely want to do that.
But for the actual dedication, we could have some flier handouts saying, this is about this artwork, this is about Coach Rudy, this is about the public, the black heritage.
Maybe something about, you know, the the history of Tarpon Springs as, as pertains to black heritage and all that kind of stuff, and, and have it
concise and then have the QR code on there that they can go and get additional information. I agree with you, including, you know, if you want to put names and all that kind of stuff on there. On that same
note, one of the dignitaries I want to call the name, but one of the dignitaries was saying last night that I think it might might need a little more work before we even do a dedication, because it the
project has been relocated. But they were suggesting that. The, the scan code, like you were saying, the URL code, but put something on each picture like
number the picture so you will have something somewhere to go in this code because the picture doesn't have anything on it. It's just a picture, right? Well, because it's not a picture, it's a piece of art.
It's a sculpture. So having, you know, this, this person, all that is, that's not art, that's something else. But if we have the QR code that
directs them to the website, we can have a diagram of it with those kind of designations. Have the number of you'd have the number each picture to know where you go when you do the QR
code. Number one is who. Yeah, we would have we would have each each panel, you know, and we'd have this picture blah blah blah. And the the diagram
would go, this is this person. This is this person. Okay. Yeah. This is this person, you know, or this is where this photo came from and all that kind of stuff. And we could put as much
information we want to on there without defacing the actual artwork. Okay. Because it is a piece of artwork. It's a sculpture. So something we can just work, work on trying to
get. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And you know, if and it would require getting with Steven and having him provide all that information and working to get it on the website, but getting that put together. So we would
definitely need somebody in charge of doing that art I will yeah. This was my project I think. Yeah. But Steven, both artists would be out there to
meet the people and talk to them ideally. I mean, it would really depend on scheduling, but ideally that would be my preference. Okay. But it would
be more of a dedication with educational materials that we that we could provide and, you know, a chance to meet and greet. Right. And I don't have a problem calling it art in the
park. You know, art in the park dedication. Yeah, it's fun and it's descriptive. This is the art. It's in the park. Let's come and meet the artist and,
you know, meet and greet. Slash dedication. Slash. Educational, whatever. Like if the women's club or the garden club or somebody want to donate, donate
refreshments. They can do that if, if some other group wants to come in and provide refreshments, that would be great. I would recommend that if somebody does that, that they provide a representative
to handle that because it's not going to be a part of the park. Right? Yeah. Because we're going to be busy talking about the art project and, and, you know, mingling and all that
really educational as far as what, what the art is. But yeah, if you find, you know, I know Walmart is a big supporter of community stuff and other
groups that big just just not that big. So yeah, any other groups that want I mean if other stuff is there, that's fine with me. We just we just
by ordinance can't pay for it. Right. But yeah, if other groups want to have a refreshment table or a hot dog grill or whatever. Yeah, we will support the dedication and
unveiling and all that. Yeah. Now on, Jamie was saying that the mural won't be done until maybe January or February, so maybe we have to do it February or March. Whenever the whenever
the mural is finished. Because we still have work to do now on this. Yeah. So it's not going to happen overnight. Yeah, yeah, I think, I think all that is
perfect. I would love to see that. And I would love to participate in that. Yeah. So so for the educational information that's it. The
public art committee members will have to collect all of that information that you want on the website. So if you Katie's the representative for
that project. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So you'll work with both artists to get whatever information about the art. You know, how it was inspired
information about the subject matters, which would be the people in the photos or coach Rudy's kind of backstory and and all that kind of stuff. And it doesn't have to be all done
before, before the dedication. It can be a work in progress, you know, adding more. And we can say as time goes on, if you as a family, if you see one of your relatives on here and you
want us to add their information on there, submit it to you to have it added, and it could be kind of a living thing. There's no let's we can't do
anything until we get all this web stuff up because I, I, you know, back when I anticipated it being a growing, living kind of thing when people say, oh,
that was my, you know, great great uncle. And he did this and that. And here's a funny story about, you know, what he did in Tarpon Springs and, you know, whatever the information is, that that would be ongoing.
But I think information together for that, for those panels and I bring it back and let you see what we got. And. Well, I mean, if you work with the work with the artist and say, this is what this is what
we have, I don't think we need to really approve it at this. I wouldn't think so. No supportive materials. Yeah, it's supportive materials. I mean, as long as it's not
anything inappropriate, you know, it's got to be work appropriate. You know? What's a gentleman named that? Take the pictures. Now. He's fairly new. The dignitary was telling me last night that the person this
Jordan, the Pi. Oh, yeah. Jordan, he was asking me to get with Jordan. Yeah, yeah, I think he was at the tree lighting last night. You might have saw him. Was his last name
van loo? Van loo. Yes. Okay. And you know. Yes. It could be something where, you know, you collect information throughout the year and every four months we update or every three months we update the website or every
two months or however, you know, it would be whoever at the city has the time to, to update it. You know, I wouldn't want to be like every day, send them a new email, you know, it would be gathered. But yeah, have it be
an ongoing thing. Anybody that wants to add information about whatever, maybe they have a nice story about Coach Rudy that that we want to associate with that mural. Sure. Yeah.
You've done that before, right, Brandon? Yeah. Okay. I updated some of the information when Diane was the liaison. Yeah, yeah. So that would be an
ongoing thing if we could just have, you know, general information about the subject and the the artist. And, you know, we'll have a blurb. I'll
say something about public art in general for Tarpon Springs and community involvement is important, yada, yada, yada. And we already have that, I think. Yeah, we already have that. Because when y'all when
y'all selected Oliver, Miss Steven, he gave it was a whole blurb on him. Yeah. Already. So we already have that. Yeah a lot of that stuff is, is we've, we've got already on the public
art website. I know we could be pulling it all together. Guide. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, all I'm saying is we don't have to wait for everything to be gathered in order to do the
dedication and all that other kind of stuff. What we, you know, the most important thing with the dedication is the schedules of the important people that we want. There also the availability of, you know, the city. Like, we wouldn't
want to have it Christmas Eve because nobody, nobody would come. Do we have to wait until Brandon, wait until Jamie Finch because of Rudy? Mural is not ready. Yeah. So we'll get an update in February at our
February meeting about whether you know the status of the mural, if it's installed yet, or where it is, and we'll go from there. Okay? Okay. Thank you. Excellent. That's going to
be so much fun. Yes. So the final old business is budget update and developer contributions. Megan. Yeah. Exciting stuff. If you see the
highlighted amount is our current balance. $214,680 highlight highlighted where
it's in your packet. So much paper. Oh there it is. Got it. Wow okay. So as you can see for
the year we have no expenditures yet with small amount of revenue which is probably just interest. So we our fund balance is $214,680.
Nice. And then if you look at the the next page in your packet, Pat Mcnees updated us on projects that are in the in
scheduled for the final inspections in the coming year. And it lists five. But one of those is the bingo hall and the bingo hall as we just met.
They're trying to do their own art, right. But the clerk's office in Tarpon Springs Apartments, Tarpon Springs Fire Station, and Auburn Supply would be those amounts they
would be paying into the fund in the coming year. Excellent. Have we done a called artist for any of these? The clerk's
office. So they're not doing art. They're paying into the fund. Okay. And so in the coming year, like when these things are finished finishing up or like getting their
certificate of occupancy, they have to pay that much to the public art fund, okay. Before they can like move into their building. Okay. That's. Yeah. And so either they have to pay
or they have to do their own art. And so like that's what the bingo hall is trying to do. Yeah. Instead of paying $23,000, they're trying to do their own art. And that's based on the
total amount of the project cost and the the amount that they're required to do. So yeah, we'll also have the golf course clubhouse added to that list as
well. And that's about a $5 million project. So there'll be a what is it, 2% or I don't know what the percentage is, but it'll be some money coming from that into your fund. Okay.
Excellent. Nice. Have they started that yet. We are in the engineering phase and yeah. Still in the planning and but we're we're moving. Excellent.
That's good. We need it. Okay. And is that all for that? Are we okay. We're ready to move on to new business. The last one
is the mural proposal for the Economic Development office on Tarpon Ave. Yeah. Karen lemons. Lemons lounge. So they they
lovingly call it Lemons Lounge. So I'm guessing you provided me with there is no photo. Sorry. The economic development
building is if you are traveling west on Tarpon Avenue headed towards the bayou. There is a small little building on the left, right before the like empty lot that holds the
antique clock. And currently there's a mural on the side of it which depicts like a picture of the bayou, like back in the
day, and it's kind of faded. It's very faded. Is it like a historical photograph or is it art? Historical photograph? Okay, it's kind of like a sepia. Yeah. The historical society.
I've been asking them, Phyllis, is I think they're working on trying to get us a copy of that, so. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm, I'm, I'm waiting on them to provide
me that I won't be there meeting on Monday because I'll be out of town. But at the, at that meeting, they're supposed to provide a picture. To
replace the picture with the new mural or she didn't get she was open to ideas. Yeah, okay. She kind of told me that she wanted the same picture to go back up. So now she's open to
ideas. Maybe we should double check with her, because I recall her being open to ideas, but maybe she was fine with it. Either way, we'll have to check with her just to be certain, because we'll have to do a lot
of research and just do a new mural rather than go try to find that old art, because that's they digging deep to find that thing. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I would, I would encourage artwork as opposed to
historical photograph. Just that's what we're about. Yeah I agree. Yeah I know I live right around there. Yeah. Oh yeah yeah I know, I know, we talked
about maybe I can talk to. Oh yeah. Karen to ask her to be clear on what she's asking. Probably best before we get too deep into the process, get
ideas of what kind of mural they want there. If that's the case. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. See how it's the economic economic Development office? It seems
like we could just do some really awesome mural work there that that would be artistic and colorful. And, you know, you do a call to artists and all that.
Yeah, we would do a call to artists because we don't want to do photographs, really, do we? Not really. We're an art. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm sure that that was done in the past.
And but if it's the city owned and they're open to doing some artwork on it, then that would be the direction I would like to go in. But if you could just
check with her and see and then. Yeah, need somebody to put together a call to art. I mean, we, we don't know what the cost is square footage. We would
need all that kind of information. But yeah, that that's a very prominent place for people going down to the
bayou and all that. So that would be a really great, great project. Have you started that project, Katie? No, because I've, I've started it on the on the part of having the
historical society find, find me a copy of the mural, because that's what Karen initially asked for. So now I'm going to go back with Karen and see if she's got other ideas, because
sound like she's open to other ideas. And that's when I'll. Yeah, I was working with her on this. Well, it sounds like you got a lot on your plate, and I'd be willing to have that one.
Only have that. And this art in the park. Art in the park. In this. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So if by the next meeting you could get together,
you know, square footage, further information on if they're open to artwork, mural. And then at the next meeting,
we could talk about, you know, making it an official project and budget and call to artists and stuff like that. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. If you wanted to put
together a draft call to artist, then that would be we make a motion to discuss the mural for the economic development. Yes.
Do you want to make a motion to discuss what we've just discussed? Yeah, we had a motion. I'll make a motion that
we reached. Oh, okay. Okay. Never mind. Okay, I stand corrected. Okay. Okay. So next time we'll have the information
and do a do a motion. And on the proposal to move forward with it with that information. Excellent. Okay. So we are done with old business new business
staff committee public comments and announcements. We should start with the public comments. Do we have public comments? Help yourself. Do we have a
four minute limit? 30s. Oh all right quick. You can do it real slow to take up your four minutes. This is my name is Andre Smith. My dad taught at
the school. The middle school here I went to middle school here I brought my 16 year old daughter in just for her first introduction to public speaking.
I want to give her just a little insight. I'm a 27 year military veteran. I was listening to. I was listening to everything that you guys
discussed, which is I'm very interested in. It's kind of intriguing to me. I just have one little bitty thing. I like
Coach Rudy. I like the people of this community. I like the fact that we're even having discussions about inclusion. I
think we're I think I might be sometimes a minority in certain things. To me, it's history. I don't have black history and I
don't have white history. I just have history. And if we use it as history, I think there's an idea that if we call it history, we'll have more of
an inclusion instead of being so separate, where if I can tell you, if once you start saying for that community, once you say that community, that means you're already divided,
that means there is no inclusion. That just means we're going to do a little bit something for you, and we're going to do a little something over here and a little something over there. That doesn't sound like a community
to me. That sounds like people who are saying, well, I'm going to make this interesting. So I'll give you a little bit and I'll give you a little bit that doesn't bring me together that that tells me that we're all
separate. So I'm just more interested in than the language and, and our interest, like when we when you that thing about raising money and getting donations, I guarantee you you can probably get donations. So
I wouldn't worry about food and refreshments and stuff like that, that that's not the issue. I think the issue is if we make it a more of an inclusion. So
I'm not doing something in the black community, I'm doing something in the community. So everybody want to come. So everybody wants to know about their history because that's what I want her to know. I want
her to know about history. I, I, I'm 61 years old. I'll be 62. I wasn't born in the black community. I was born in a community. I was born in the
United States of America. That's why I was born. That's what I know. That's all I know. And I've traveled when I say all over the world, all over the world, there's only four
states in the United States that I haven't touched in. So every other state I've been in, we have to start speaking more and and having a movement in
our and what we want to accomplish. The ultimate goal should be community. The ultimate goal should be you should care. Just like I care about Rudy. You should care
about Rudy, just like you care about the other person. I want to care about that person. Not because they're from my community. Not well, my, I hate that word. The black community. I'm just from the community.
And that's. I wish we would do just a little bit more of that. Thank you. I couldn't agree with you more. That makes so much sense. Thank you. I've noticed it as well. Yes, I and
that is a big reason why I am pushing for a lot of community involvement in these art projects, not this community involved in this project and this community involved in that
project. Like the art boxes, I want to get some local schools and all that to to have it more, because we are a very diverse community of people in Tarpon Springs, and I would like to
see that reflected in the public artwork that we, that we install around our city. So thank you for your comments and I wholeheartedly agree. Hello
everybody. How y'all doing? Happy Thanksgiving, belated Juliana Day. Gotta get my address to Tarpon Springs for
13 years old. The main street, I call it Main Street. I'm comment on the art in the park. I want to comment. I don't know if I can comment on this part, but I'm just throwing out here
about replacing the pictures that was taken down. Those pictures are historical pictures of families that did do a dedication of Mark within this community, and I don't think it will cost that much to
have them replaced. As far as that art, as far as community like Andre was talking about, it has on that display has some
Greek heritage to. Right? Yes. Am I not talking right? Yeah. You're right. So it's a whole citywide exhibit. It's not an exhibit. It's a piece of art, a
piece of sculpture, a sculpture. And we we complied with the request to have stuff taken off because permission wasn't given. Can I finish? You probably get
my thoughts down. Thank you. Because you. You want to take my four minutes. Okay. But I think at the time it was done, it was because of the area the
art was in, not because of the art, but because of the area. So that's my comment on it. And so I know it will be further discussions on that. So, you
know, that's what I bring up. Thank you, thank you. Okay. Any other public comments? No. Okay.
What about staff or committee. Welcome, Jean. Welcome, Jean. Glad to be here. Glad to have you. Any other nothing for me
Committee. Any committee. Yeah I do to reiterate on what Miss Day just mentioned, I would like to start to have those pictures were removed because
the the families had twofold but now they know they're there. But the biggest issue was that the fact that it was over a drainage ditch. And so now if
they want them put back because they're now in a prime location. And one of those pictures was Mr. Edward Dorsett. So Mr. Dorsett is prominent in our community. And he, he he's
that's the part that he's going in. The only reason that the, the Dorsets and the Archies were saying that, well, Archie might be because of lack of
communication, but that's that's the past. They know now about the art. But I'd like to address getting those two families to, to see if they want to put their art back on
this, screw them back on the panel, because it shouldn't take a whole lot of money to put those two pieces of art back where they came from, because I'm pretty sure the gap is still there where it was
taken from. They can be put right back to where it was. They they were at an expense replaced is my understanding. Do we know we didn't even have the panels? The replacement, I
don't know. But here's the thing. My when I remember what I remember of all this discussion was they wanted to be taken off because they weren't consulted and they didn't get permission to use
their family's photos in this piece of artwork. That's why they were removed. Lesson learned, lesson learned. But but going okay now, now. Yes.
That was I brought it to the board. I brought it here. You can talk. All the other pictures can come down too, because you didn't get permission from Sandra Rooks to
put those up anyway. Well you know correction. The the reason why it was done, I had to bring that up. Yeah, I brought it here. You know what? I know
what I'm saying. I you you can you can talk about what several reasons were given. The reason why it was accommodated was because he's a prominent member.
We didn't want anybody upset if they didn't want their family's stuff on there. Then we took it off. That's that was that was the thing. And this dragged on for months and months. There
was plenty of opportunity to say, I'll leave it on there if you just move it. The the moving was came after the the
take my pictures off so that that's my thought on it. The it's a piece of artwork. It's not a historical installation.
It's a piece of artwork. It's a sculpture. There were we listened to feedback and we tried to do our best to accommodate that feedback. It's
been moved. Those people who objected to having their families on there without getting permission were taken off. There was a whole discussion about all of that.
It's been a drainage ditch. Okay, well, we can agree to disagree. We can take a vote on it. I'm not I'm not the arbiter of deciding my my thing is
we've this has gone on long enough. We've done what we could to accommodate the request to have, you know, people didn't want their families up there. So we took them off drainage ditch. So how
much would it cost to to take those two panels that there somewhere. Where are they? Where are those two panels? Also, can I add that the pictures were removed from the
sculpture and then in the moving of the sculpture to Dorsett Park, the staff for the city worked really hard, like engineering wise, to give us
designs on how we wanted it to be put back. And so they like re and it's now solid in cement like soldered together. It's
complete. The project is done. But I understand that we're not asking you to to up to take nothing out of concrete. We're talking about two pictures
that's on a, on a, on a on one of those panels. Space for two pictures to be screwed back in to the art piece. Jamie. Jamie.
When we met, we all talked and we picked the design through him. He would know if there's a spot we could possibly put those. Screw those two pictures back on that wall because it's
not over a drainage ditch. How much money would it cost to screw those two pictures back on that panel? Because it's no longer over a drainage ditch,
especially especially Mr. Dorsett. I'm not going to speak for the for Mr. Archie. That's a whole different ball game. But Mr. Dorsett was mainly because it was over a drainage
ditch, and it's at Dorsett Park. So I would like to see if there's a spot on that picture on that fence to put Mr.
Dorsett picture back on that on that panel. If it's just one picture, my inclination is this whole thing has been
adjudicated to death and it has been done. We accommodated the request even though we didn't have to, because it's a piece of artwork, but we didn't want to have negative feelings about
it. We wanted to, you know, honor their wishes. And so we did. And I believe at the time I commented, or I don't know if I said it out loud or to myself, but it's a shame that their
picture is going to be coming off of a piece of artwork that is going to be in the community that a lot of people are going to be looking at for a long time. And it's a shame that
their picture, their family is not going to be represented on there. But if that's what they want, the whole point, but not at the time. At the time, it
was about permission. It was about they they didn't talk to us. They didn't get our permission. They didn't notify us that they were going to be using our photos. That's why they were removed, not because they were over a drainage. I'm
asking for one picture to go back on that on that post. And that would be Mr. Dorsett. There should be a slot. Where's Mr. Dorsett, I think. I think what we should do is maybe add this to the agenda. If we're
going to have a discussion and have a vote on something, we should add it to our agenda for our next meeting as new business. And in the meantime,
I can inquire about where the other pieces are, what their status is, and then I could bring that back to firewood. I have no idea. Yeah, this all happened before I took over as
liaison. You know, I know about the project, but I don't know anything about where the pieces are, how they're handled, where they're stored. So I can find out some of that information. We could put it on the agenda
as new, old, new business and take it from there, if that's okay with the committee, that's fine with me. I would like to say that we are in a slippery
slope. And I also said this at the beginning. We're dealing with artwork here. Artwork sometimes has controversy. Artwork is a special thing. It's not like in, you know,
building a building or putting up a sign. This is artwork. And. To have every single person who has a little problem or a big problem with a piece of artwork
being able to come and say, oh, I want you to change this. And now that you change that, I want you to change this or change it back, because now it doesn't bother me anymore or
any, any of the myriad of things artwork is, is done. You can like it. You can not like it. We hope that everybody will get something out of it, even
if it's a conversation about community and historical aspects of the community that I learned so much just from all of this that that I didn't know.
And I'm thankful for that. But ultimately, if we go back and forth on pieces of art, number one, it's very expensive. Number two, it's going to
discourage other artists from even applying to to install their art here. If they think, well, they could just change it. If somebody doesn't like it at any time. So it's a very
slippery slope on, on, on a broad in a broad sense for doing that kind of editing and adjustments to artwork. If it was a historical installation.
Yes. This is not this is a sculpture. It's a sculpture. We asked for one picture, Mr. Dorsett. Okay, let's add it to the next meeting and we can have this whole discussion. He
was a he was he was a expert sponger that that that goes with this exhibit. He was an expert sponger right down there
on Dodecanese. So and it was a lot of controversy. So we don't want to go backwards. We want to go forward. Because just like you said, it was more to that story than what we're saying here. But I'm not going
to go back because I know all the details on this story. So it's it's two twofolds to that. So all I'm asking is Mr. Dorsett picture be placed back on there because his family
didn't want it over a drainage ditch. That's the only one that he was a prominent. He was a prominent Bahamian expert. Sponger right down there on Dodecanese. That's why it was so sad that he requested to
have his picture taken off of it, that he even put it up there. So we dropped the ball here at this committee. So let's just make our wrongs right by doing something. Let's add it to the the new business
for next meeting, and we'll have a full discussion and we'll do a vote. And if you want to bring your information about what was said and what wasn't said in previous meetings about why things were
done, then that would be great. I'm sure we'll get past. This boy. I'm sure. Okay. So closing
procedures. If we've not got anything else, the next regular meeting will be Wednesday, February 11th, 2 p.m. at City Hall in the second floor media
room. Same bat time, same bat place, and we are adjourning at 3:59 p.m. on December 3rd. Thank you for thank you,
everybody. Thanks for coming. Thank you.