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they are? 79 September 75. fast, man. She has changed. All right. Ready to get this thing behind. [Music]
I've had some spells today. I believe it's stronger and stronger and stronger or either this build up in my system. Yeah, I've had more. How's your trees doing Andy? Which one?
Kind of cold in December. She's about the same. She's doing very well in my trees. Yeah, I haven't got as many as this year as I had last year. I don't know what I'm going to do.
church. All right, I think we're ready to get started. Want to stand pastor Baptist Church lead? Can I do it right here? You want me to come through? Let's pray. Our father in
heaven, we come to you on this beautiful day and we just thank you so much for your blessings and father for loving us and taking care of us and watching over. We also ask at this time, this night that we can love each other and father
let everything be done in and father in order and decency and to please you. And I pray that we can leave this house being friends and we can love each other. But we pray that every decision that is made will be in your will and
your wisdom. And I ask it in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all. [Music] I'd like to welcome everyone to our meeting this Monday, June the 2nd, 2025 at 6 p.m. We have a conference line set up. Number there is 1 1917
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three minutes for comment. A commenter may only speak one time for each agenda item. With that said, we will move on to item three, obtain approval of the agenda. Motion by Commissioner to approve. We
have a second. Second. Second by Commissioner. All in favor? Uh we move on to our consent items. If anyone had a chance to look at your consent items, any discussion, any questions? Uh I think administrator had
one item on item 10 she wanted to discuss with the board. Item number 10. I did want to pull this off to from consent to discuss to the board and we can do it um right before the public request um for Mr. Andy Jackson can
speak or or not. That's up to you. Okay. Everyone okay to pull 10 out of consent and move into I guess perform public right before item 11? We just do it
next. Okay with that. Okay. Hi. All right, we'll just move on into the public request. Item 10, the board to consider. I'll take a motion to uh approve the consent items one through nine. Got it. I got a motion by
Commissioner Field to approve all consent items, including item 10. A second. Second. All in favor? I All right, we'll move to public request 10. the floor to
consider approval of draft lease agreement with the Perry Garden Club agenda by Peterson County manager. Thank you. So, there are two versions of a lease in your packet. One was one that our attorney prepared and then Mr.
Jackson submitted us um an edited signed lease um that was approved by the Perry Garden Club. And I I just need some guidance from the board. I did want to bring to the board's attention that sections three and five of the revised
lease, the one marked B, do contain language that provide the county will be responsible for the removal of any trees that could fall on the Perry Garden Club building since they have no insurance for wind damage. Correct. That's correct. Okay. Um, and that lease B also
contains language that provides for assistance with mowing and minor cleanup of property upon request from the Perry Garden Club, which I think historically we provided. Correct. And we have in the past removed damaged or dangerous trees.
Correct. Okay. So, the options are for the board to approve um lease A or B. And I think lease A had some language that maybe wasn't quite consistent with what the Perry Garden Club needed. Um, or we can we can go
back to the drawing table and try to find a combination of the two leases that meets everyone's approval. May I make a few comments? Absolutely. Um, the lease that we prepared from the Perry Garden Club is a little more
explicit about who ownership is, who owns the building, who owns the land, and there were some uh items in the uh the county lease like for us to check the do maintenance on the building. Well, we've been maintaining the building since
1970 and we've been taking care of that. And also the uh the uh county lease didn't expressly talk to us about what we did with the rent income and what they did say that we couldn't sub lease but all we wanted to do is rent up for a
week because the quite frankly the festivals in town used that garden club as well for an extended period of time. So, it was just the the revised lease that you see that we've submitted uh
basically gave us uh those things explicitly written out in the lease. It wasn't done with the county version. So, we I had a lot of push back from garden club members on the first the county lease. Everybody was in agreement with the uh garden club version that we
submitted to back to the county. and and I I can you know we're not disagreeing with that. I just wanted to bring to the board's attention that there are maintenance obligations. You have to tell them that you call me on the phone and told me to do a lease
real quick. Oh, I understand. I wasn't I'm not trying to for some reason, you know, we didn't get a lease in March when the it was originally submitted to uh Mr. Bishop and uh we were getting up on storm season.
So he did he turned it around very quick and we were appreciative in doing that. Isn't there a a provision in there for for it to renew for it's for 20 years and then to renew for another 20 years in your lease. It is. I want my to
understand that you're talking about a 40year lease and well or until the building falls down comes first. building is is I have no it's in good shape. I have no problem that I just
wanted to make sure that everyone knew that uh there was a turnover in about a day and a half what you call Oh, I was I was most appreciative that we had something to start with. Thank you.
I got a I got a question for com with the liability with the trees. Is that normally what we do is take liability? There's a statute. Okay. Your say your neighbor uh next to
you has a tree and tree falls and it's your tree on your property, but the tree falls on um on his property. Guess who pays for it? the tree owner. Tree owner. There's a statute
specifically on that. Answer your question. Here's what it is. Any other questions? I got a question, too. U talking about removing trees. That's dangerous. Um, one that's got beetles in it that's
going to die and fall and one that's uh broke from the hurricane. Is that what we're talking about? Are we talking about cutting everything that could reach the building? I think Well, I don't want to Well, this is we're we're actually just referring to the lease
agreement right now. Okay. Item 10. just referring to the language in the in the lease agreement regarding I think what you're talking about may be the next item on the agenda. Okay. One more question. Is this budgeted? No
ma'am. And so what is the potential cost? I think for the last time I checked it's about $750 a tree and and I believe there's 15. Is there more than 15? Well, there's there's three of them that are
two of them are dead and they're they're away from the building, but they're the bugs got them. They were and another one's just need to just be taken down. So, it's But you're right. There's about a dozen of them that would cost
that amount. They're dead. Well, three are two are dead, one needs to go, and then the other dozen are fall hazards to the uh building itself. They may be through a hurricane. Let's don't Let's don't gamble with the
next one because quite frankly, Jim, if that if a tree falls on that building, it's done. I understand that. I got five out of my attic in my home. I know. Oh, I understand. Yeah. But the thing is u we lost a bunch of trees in the
hurricane and for capital park don't really look good without pine tree and they gear them long leaf pines been there they 100 years old I understand I've just had a dozen of them cut from around my house at
plantation but for that reason I I just couldn't afford one falling in my house you know to spread That cost of each tree to cut all them trees is I compared to all the taxpayers of Daily County cuz they got trees in their yard that could fall on
their house too. You know, I just I'm just my constituents asking about deal with the lease agreement part. So, so if you look at item
five, it says LEC further acknowledges that the lease is responsible for moving any such trees that present a risk as outlined in the damage section of this lease. So, I guess I just want to
clarify if it I mean if we have someone check the trees and they don't present a risk is are those only trees that need to be removed. Does that include stump grinding? Just for budgeting purposes, I think we need to know what
responsibilities we have. Well, as per the ones we're concerned about are the ones going to fall on the building. And we we went through quite a bit of survey this year and looking at which ones people agreed that needed to come
down. We identified some, we extended the number, it got reduced back to just the ones that we felt were of hazard. And as my wife put it when we had ours cut down and I asked her about stump ground and she said
uh stumps don't fall on your house during a hurricane. So I while we'd like the stumps out we don't need to do that. I mean that's just part of the deal. Stumps are fine if we can just get the trees down. Mr.
chair. So, for good business purposes, uh I would like for somebody from the county or somebody that need county points to go look at these trees and give us their opinion on it and then um
we need to know specifically how many trees need to come out. Then we can come back at the next meeting and we can discuss that exactly how many trees we're talking about. Right. So, Well, I think we've done people I think
we've identified the damaged trees. I think the what and Andy, correct me if I'm wrong. I think the concern that the Perry Garden Club has is not necessarily the we I think we're all in agreement on
the unhealthy trees. It's the trees that are that look healthy that they're concerned may fall on the building. Is that accurate? Okay. So, it's it's all about the ones that could potentially fall on the building during the next storm. And we've looked at that and
we've made a determination that that's that that's a high probability that that will happen. No. Okay. Then that's where you know just because we're so in such a mess with the budget and and I want to do everything that's necessary. Okay. So, I don't want
anybody to get me wrong. Uh, but I want to make sure that we're that we're doing just what needs to be done. And I want to know exactly how many trees that's going to be and exactly the cost to the county. And what's that's the three trees, correct? Well,
those Yeah, those heck, I could send my guy out with a chainsaw tomorrow and take the ones out that are dead and that would be a problem. uh except that it's on county land and I need permission to do it. The uh the problem we've have is
is that there a dozen trees that look like they could come down. In fact, one of them is on the county property over in the uh camping area they use across the fence. Uh we have no permission to cut them down. We we've had offers to be
able to cut them down for no cost to us or to the county, but they're county trees. We just we we got to get we'd like to get them down because quite frankly, if one of them falls on that building, that's the end of the
building. The garden club has dropped in over $40,000 in that building and that site over the last uh just the last few years to bring it up, maintain it and have a viable rental and income stream for the club and service to the
community is to as K and I were just talking about we're one of the least costly club rental places in town us and the women's club. So, it's we've got we've been doing this for the 19 since
the 1970s and it's been a viable thing. We just like to see that continue for at least the next 20 years. Okay. So, to be clear then, are you asking permission for y'all to cut the trees down at your expense? Is that what you're saying?
That's how we kind of started with all this back in November. But when we met with Lewanda in in January, she said two things. One, she wants a lease because the a Taylor County Development Authority lease we
found from 1970s that we renewed, we were told that wasn't valid anymore. And uh secondly, since there were county trees and potentially county property and they had some value, then she needed to go through and get three estimates.
And plus, we had forester go out and do a determination on the rest of the trees. I mean, quite frankly, uh, man, we we've studied this a lot and we're kind of at an impass. We we can't cut the trees. We can't do a fundraiser to
cut the trees. We like get the county to cut the trees because it's they're they're trees. Um, but we don't feel safe with them being up there for the next storm season because we got our We were grateful after I that we were
able to get the repairs done on the trees that fell, you know, the roof repaired then, but we were informed that our wind insurance had just been terminated after that. We could, you know, we just can't get insurance on that old
building. So, it's a community asset. We just need some some help here getting this done. That's the only So, Mr. chairperson, the discussion about cutting the trees and selling them. The the just to clarify,
um there was someone I think who had offered to cut the trees and and sell the timber and maybe give the proceeds I guess to the garden club or I think use it to offset cost, right? But typically when we have when we have opportunities
like that, we do off you know we do offer it to different companies to go in and and cut trees and so and then the whatever the funds that were raised would normally be given back to the county. So I couldn't approve for that
to happen and the funds to go back to the garden club. Now, if you I mean, we can seek a way to have a maybe a timber company go in and cut the trees and and take them to market, but anytime we've done that in the past, we've had to have
um you know, we we've offered it to anyone in the public or any any company who'd like to submit a price to that for that. I want to kind of back up. We're trying to deal with item 10, I think, which is actually lease, right? So, I
want to deal with the lease and then I think our next item talks about cutting trees and such. So, why don't we look at the lease and and does you know, is everyone got any you looking at the lease? Anyone got any questions on the lease? Any the verbiage on the lease?
Mr. Bishop, I know you mentioned the 20 years plus option for an additional 20 years to total 40. It's in. Yeah, it's in the the speed, right? Yeah. So, um there any other any other concerns
that outside of that and not necessarily that being a concern? Well, the reason they keep going back to the u cutting the trees is because at least has that in that. Correct. I I see that, but I mean uh Well, you ask me.
Is there anyone I did? Is there any other issue that you see in this lease that would be concerning to the county? Yep. If the roof goes bad, will we end up having the county have to put a roof on it? Not unless your tree falls on it.
I mean, insurance companies a lot of times reason the shingles haven't been changed in years is the reason they can't get insurance. Right. We just had a new roof put on there recently. Yeah, they should last 20 years. So, well, Mr.
Chairperson, if the board approves their their signed lease, there's really no need reason to discuss number 11 because you would have already approved it. I understand. But I mean, I think you have to listen to Mr. Bishop talking about who's responsible. It sounds like you'll be
responsible whether it's in the lease or not. That's what I heard. I mean am I that what I heard or not? Okay. So is there any other discussion on the lease part? Is there do we need
to table it? If somebody got hurt in the building that they were renting it out to somebody and somebody got hurt in there, where would that liability fall? We have liability insurance for renters and renters and for the uh the club and we
got everything but wind insurance. Yeah. Yes. So there no discussion. I mean we'll uh obtain a motion to approve or I mean the lease part of it. I'll make a motion to
approve the lease. Got a motion by Commissioner Moody to approve the leave. We have a second. Second by Commissioner Fig. All in favor? Thank you. So item 11. I mean to discuss I don't think so. I'll
just need to bring back to the board a request to um transfer funds to pay for the tree removal. Now, we don't I don't think it's necessary. I don't request to remove the trees. We don't have to say we got to move the
tree just because somebody says they got to move them. I'm just saying that is that correct? Well, it says in the lease agreement includes the timely removal of storm or insect damaged trees and any trees that present a risk of falling due to wind or storm
activity and potentially damaging the garden club's main building or storage buildings. Well, that's the 12 trees we're talking about. So, I would need funding to remove I would need the 11,000 plus dollars, right? To remove all the
trees. Again, I I would like for somebody to verify that all these many trees have to come out or or or what's the number of trees. I don't want to just agree to something that's going to cost the county money, not knowing
exactly how many trees we're going to take out and what the cost will be. I think the verification was that there was three trees that was definitely damaged and needed to come out. And our wish was to get these other trees taken out just because they're close to the building, but they don't
really just because they're close to I mean there's trees close to the building all over the place, but they don't mean they're they're dead and going to pop. The uh trees that in question are marked with tape and uh who marked them? Well,
several people marked them. Personally, I marked them and then we had those verified. Of course, the looked at the disease trees with one of the foresters and uh one of the trees of the 12 are over on the other side of the fence on the
uh extension property over there. So, you know, that one's broke in half. So, it's it's fortunately it hadn't died yet. So that's I mean you verify that there is three trees that do have damage that's do have issues. Correct. But I
but additional trees is where I think commissioner figure I think I agree with that have someone go and investigate before we just go spend $10,000 $1,000. I didn't take it that that agreement said that we just had to do it because
well um I I don't I don't know how to determine a risk of falling due to blender storm activity which is I mean if the tree looks healthy then nobody says the trees the reason it should fall
you know hurricane our extension agent is our extension agent qualif qualified to do this. Yeah, but we have we can utilize the arbor from the forestry service which is what we we've done to verify the trees that are damaged which at you
know several months ago was the three trees but but the garden club is stating that they feel like there's a potential risk of all the trees and I understand that. I I heard that and and the only thing that I'm saying is I want if it's all of them then and that need to come
out and have to come out then that's the way it is. But I want to know that for sure before I agree to spend this amount of money when we're really in align with our budget. I understand the budget issue. That's
very important. The trees are marked. I would uh I would ask that the commissioners do a driveby of the garden club, look at the trees and uh you know understand our fear that that once of them that one of them goes down across
that club, the garden club might have been around 100 years, but that building isn't going to be around anymore. I looked at them. Yes. Y'all got everyone that could reach the building if they fell, you know. Yeah.
Thank you, Chief. But it's it's it's a kind of I'm with Pam on that. It's kind of hard to spend hard earned taxpayers money for, you know, for something that um you know, I've had a constituent ask
me about it. They just don't want their tax money spent cutting trees that could reach a building, may reach a building when they got them in their yard that could reach their building and they they going to have to cut them and pay for get it cut. Is May I ask is it possible
that we could have permission to have the trees cut if we could figure out a way to do it uh and work with one of the loggers and uh see if we can get a reduced price and maybe work together on this? I'm still at the same point. Before we
spend money, I need to know what trees exactly need to come out and how many. Andy, I understand what you're saying, but from my perspective, I need more information. I expect the health of the trees. We can do that again. I mean, it's been
probably six months, so that's no problem at all. We'll we'll have that done again and I'll bring it to the board and we'll have a better idea of that point. which trees are healthy, which trees are not, which trees could maybe potentially, you know, reach the building. And we'll I'll just we'll just
bring it back to the board. Well, and you know, we don't have big storms until August, late August, September. So, maybe we'll be okay. Well, I feel like we can get the damaged trees out pretty quickly. Yeah. And and
we can do that. Okay. Thank you. Item 12, water [Applause] routed your uh map. So, we'll get to look at it where you can make a decision
on it. Mr. Walter, it's not in their in their packets. We just we just um got the results today, but our attorney can provide an update. on the on the March style road.
Thank you. What we did was we had a meeting today. Yes, sir. Founded and they found a deed from LH in Virginia to Taylor County back in
1965. I'm sure you're familiar with that deed, are you not, sir? Yes, sir. Okay. And it uh provided for a strip of land 40 ft wide to be used for highway purposes on two strips really. It's got
two legal descriptions there. Also then the discussion was what it doesn't say in the D that have to use it for highway purposes. It just says uh to be used for
highway purposes. Okay. And what they found uh was that there was uh about a third of what was deed has been used for a road. Yes, sir. Not the whole thing.
Yes, sir. Okay. So, uh and the question was uh and if I'm if I miss anything, I've got Luan over there was there at the meeting, too. Was that your uh
position was that uh there was a fence uh blocking uh portion of the road. But what they were telling me was that the fence did not block the portion of the
road that the county has been maintaining for this 60 years. Yes, sir. Okay. So well there again my my original question was was is it or is it not a county road and you're right
they are only maintaining but so are you only maintaining a large portion fact all of your county roads and that list that you use that he measured the thing that list of roads that he used to do
that he shows the beach road as 20 foot he shows No, 16 foot. He shows all of these roads, but he only showed the writing surfaces of the roads, but my, you know, I don't I don't really care. Uh, there was a thing brought up. It is,
in my opinion, a county rideway. I don't have any objections. If the county declares that it's not a county rideway, you know, then there's no no real issue there. But if it is a county right away to go to the statute that you kept referring to and which you told Mr.
music that uh there needed to be an advertisement for Closing the Road. Well, I had already talked to Lwanda before this about I was willing to pay for closing the road, but it got all blown out of proportion. And the the
issue is is that part of that road that has not been maintained. I have a aerial photograph that shows when it was maintained and I have legal surveys that show all of that
road, every bit of it all the way over. And the road that that originally tied into the church property was where it tied into when JC Nolles was the road superintendent and who also was the deacon in that church
when it all tied together. But there again, I I didn't pick this fight. I went out there and started cleaning up storm damage and and in spite of what Mr. Music has posted on Facebook and everywhere else about what
I was doing and accusing me of a bunch of stuff and stood in this meeting and called me a liar and Jamie did not shut him down, but he would not let me respond to it. Now, I don't I don't have any issues whatsoever with closing that road. And I was even willing to pay for
it at one time. Did I not talk to you about it at one time? Yes, sir. You did. And it was before we had all of this, right? I can't remember when it was, sir. But anyway, the issue is the original question was, is it a
county rideway, maintained or unmaintained, or is it not? And if it is, then we need to do a road closure on it. If it is not, then we don't need to do nothing. But in
the meantime, you know, there's a portion of it of the fence, and Pam, you went out there and looked at it. There's a portion of the fence that blocks one of the north south legs of the road. the entire fence
doesn't but that portion the road goes up in squares over it don't make that radius now I have a license I had a licensed surveyor come in and survey the whole thing and I've got that
survey I've got it and it includes all of those rideways that were deed to the county now last time you said y'all said well there's no deed to it there's no deed to it well now You're saying that now you're admitting that there's a deed
to it. And the whole issue is Kenneth Dudley. That's where your problem is. I'm through. I I don't care. It doesn't matter to me. Either close it or say that it's not a county road. And if it's not a county road, then I will go
ahead and give this to my attorneys in Tallahassee and they will apply for it. And that portion of that road that you're talking about that if it's not a county road then it's deed to my daddy or to my family. Is that not right? Was deed to
[Music] uh deed that I'm looking at was the deed from uh LH R in Virginia to the county. Okay. So so if if the county does not claim that is not going to accept it, who does it go back to in your legal
opinion? Well, it goes back to the original honor, of course. Okay. Now, that's what I was trying to tell you all the time. All the time and you would not hear it. I tried to sit down with you and talk to you. I met with you out there and talk with you. I met with Mr.
Hall, not you. Yeah. And you said you didn't want to go to court and I said, "I don't either." And you said, "We'll you said we'll we'll have a meeting." And you said, "Wait till after Easter." So, I waited after Easter. And the next thing, watch, just address the board, please. Okay. All right. Well, anyway,
I'm just I I I don't have anything else to do. I'm I'm through with it. So real quick real quick the uh what was decided was that the and I'm just telling what people
told me haven't been out there is that the county has maintained about a third of what's pursuant to this deed not the whole thing. Okay. Um, and so it's
determination of whether number one, whether the county wants to, and you can't make that decision today, whether you want to uh file a petition to close that or leave it open. Uh, that's uh that third because that's
the portion that's being uh maintained by uh Taylor County. Two two other things that I'd like to bring up to your attention. One is you issued a building permit to a lady on that rideway. Now, you did that. This county issued a
building permit for a house on that rideway. But it's wrong. That's what I tried to tell you. if they would accept the fact that that deed goes down that west rightway line and she would have
her property and it wouldn't bother. But anyway, the the whole if I already have a deed, and fortunately, I got it before Ollie died, but I already have a deed from my
siblings deeding all of that road that was designated or intended for a county road to me, subject to what the county maintains. So it is not
yours. Is that my is that a quick claim or a warranty? So quick claim session. Okay. Uh again, uh if in fact the
county would you can't make that decision tonight, but if you would uh someone filed a petition to close, you can file the petition to yourselves as a practical matter. That's up to
y'all. Um of course, you have a public hearing on that. usually know you have two sides to every story when you have a public hearing on that. Mr. Conrad, so a question if if that's
an option and the other option is for Mr. Ralph to pursue ownership of that portion of of the right way, all of the right away. And you know, you talk about you pointed out it was a quick claim deed, but a
quick claim deed is just as good as a warranty deed. Uh if you don't have anything else, but quick claim deed is backed up because there's a warranty deed behind it that stands up to it. Only reason I said that is I wouldn't have given you a warranty. I'd have given you a quick
You would have given a quick claim, right? And that that's that's what nothing wrong with that because the warranty deed from daddy is a warranty deed. But the whole the whole thing really truly if the county I mean you've got
roads all over this county and that list that y'all went by when y'all said it was 17 foot wide that list all of those roads on that list have a width on them and the width is a riding surface. That's
absolutely correct. I don't think it was intended to be any other way. Well, but but you said but you said it was a prescriptive easement road, right? Which when in reality you had a deed to it. And from a from a county
standpoint, I always would have preferred that the county had a right of way versus a prescriptive easement because if you get off of that prescriptive easement and then the prescriptive easement is not defined. In
fact, my deed or my survey that I had done shows that road has protruded over into the church's property on the right hand side because the superintendent and the
county has not insisted that the ride ofways be adhered to. And you, like I said, if you go down the beach road, you don't have a deed to any of these roads or you you may find them, but they they are way back. The beach
road, the road from uh the beach all the way down to Stein Hatchee. All of those roads, you know, they they used the riding surface. They didn't use the actual But the thing about this those other roads is they actually have state
monuments that the state put out when they did. But again, my position is simply for the Lawrence Rail Road. If you say that the county only
claims what they maintain with the greater blade, I mean, you do mow portions of it, but if you're only claiming what you maintain with the greater blade, that's fine because I do have a
deed. Every bit of it, I hadn't recorded it. don't want to, but I have a deed for every bit of it that would just create a lot more problems for the church and everybody else. Now, I don't want to do
that. I've prayed about it. I've done everything I've uh I never was a good politician. I never could articulate the way things should be. But at the same time, I have never intended to win. All I wanted it
to do was to be right. That's all I want is for it to be right. You put it on your conscience. Vote it like you think it to be it to be right. And whenever it gets through, you'll go one or two places. If
I don't agree with it, I'll take it to the attorneys in Tallahassee, real estate attorney. They've already gotten the information. uh the surveyor that did it for Wade, he's already got the information and he's already seen all the mess that it's
the deeds, how they were all screwed up and the descriptions don't even are not even the same between the uh contract for deeds and the actual warranty deeds. They they just copy and past that ain't the way you do things.
But anyway, uh, whatever the county decides to do, I don't care. I didn't intend to take this much time with this. All I want to know is your decision. Like I said, the road, all 40ft of it from the church's
property is where it was tied to originally. But I, you know, I closed a part of it or they was worried about me going through the churchyard. I put barricades up there. But if it comes right down to it, the county doesn't claim it. I'm going to
take them deeds up there and record. That's what we're going to do. And everything that the county don't claim is going to be deed to me. And somebody can take me to court for that. I ain't got nothing else to say
about it. No. I'm Jesse Messi. I live 8490 out on Wentworth Road. Um I'm a little confused about what Mr. Ralph's speaking here tonight. I don't understand a word of first of all he
says that he didn't pick this fight. He didn't start this trouble when in fact that's a stubborn thing. By the way, uh there was no indication of any problems there until he began clearing
the land that he now claims it's county property from my understanding. Requires permits to clear. I haven't seen any has has the county here had any permits from Mr. Ralph for clearing that land.
Well, we don't need to get into all that. Oh, why not? Why? Why is my opinion about what's going on here tonight? There's a clear question. He has a question. Has nothing to do with permits or anything. He's wanting to just a real simple answer.
All this other stuff is not important. Well, then all this other stuff should have been miss. You know, you know darn well I have a right to speak in in reply to this man. gentleman said. Now, he said that he
didn't start this. He said he talked to Pastor Hall. Now, you unless they had a conversation, Pastor Hall can speak for himself here. He's here tonight. To my knowledge, there was nothing said to Pastor Hall prior to
this fence going up. Um, he has spoken to the to the widow woman across the street, Mr. Earl. He talked to her. He's threatened her. Uh, because I don't know. I don't understand all this stuff. Here's what I
know. The church went through the process of going to the property appraiser, getting the legal descriptions all verified, went through the process of hiring a surveyor to survey it. This is
after Mr. Ralph decided he wanted to clear it himself and also after he tried to run down my wife with a bulldozer. So, yeah, there's a little bit of friction there. I don't know any gentleman in this room
tonight whose wife there somebody whose wife is standing there looking at somebody working and they run up on them and the bulldozer and don't stop until they get 8 ft from her with bucket straight on to her from 30 ft
away. Wouldn't be upset with him. Can I do that to your wife? Can I do that to your wife? I'm sorry, but we didn't start this. We were doing just fine. He started clearing. We went and looked at him clearing. He made a phonious assault with a deadly weapon
against my wife. I'm kind enough. I didn't call the police that day. I should have. I'm sure he's got enough money for bond. So, there's that. That's a fact. Facts are stubborn things. Those are the facts of the matter. He did not talk to a pastor
prior to do all this work. He came over on our property, started planting pines on our property. We decided he wanted he wanted to plant pines on church property to try to claim it his. Now he says that Taylor County has the property and I understand that
there's been something found there that says it is Taylor County. So now he wants to take the property back from the county. There's a whole lot going on in this mess. And I'm telling you what right now I do not appreciate it. I do not appreciate the church being put into the position they were put in by Mr.
Wow. Nobody else. I don't appreciate him trying to run down my wife, a member of their church with a bulldo. I don't appreciate that one bit. I don't appreciate him trying to get my wife arrested while the prince was being arrested. That's on that's probably on
deputy dash. I can go get it if you want to. He was sitting there screaming to have her arrested. Lying. Yes, it's lying. I know that's a bad word to use, but it's facts. Again, they're stubborn things. It was not true. She
did not never point a gun at him. Deputy was standing right there. And yeah, we had guns on us cuz we knew the volatility of this man. We knew was a parabolic man. He has a history.
So, you know, blame us for defending oursel, but when nobody ever pointed a gun at that never happened. And that's a part of public record there, too. If that dash cam, if that body cam was running, that's part of public record also. So, what the county does in this matter
is up to the county. I agree with him on that one point. I don't understand where this property he's talking about, where it lands in the church property. I know the church went through the process that I think is due diligence to
establish what's theirs and what's not. And we erected a fence on theirs. And where that goes from here, I don't know. But I am not pleased with this situation whatsoever. I don't know why the C and isn't the county supposed to
even report all their roadways to the Department of Transportation for the state. Aren't those supposed to be submitted to them? So even though the county doesn't know, that state should know. If you have a road in his county, it should be listed with the Department of
Transportation. And yes, if he's clearing public land, we just sat here tonight discussing the garden club and what we're going to do with the trees on the garden club. And this is lease property, but it's Taylor County property. So, they have to go through a
process, don't they? What happened here? The process got circumvented, didn't it? It just got removed. Why? Why would you remove such a process as that, Mr. I I don't I think that's an illegitimate statement to say that we're
moving. We didn't even have any idea that it was even being done. So, I don't think it could be anything that the county purposely did, so to speak. And well, I'm not blame the county. I would disagree on you with that. I'm not I'm not I'm not blame the county, Commissioner English. I'm I'm simply
saying that if the county is going to sit here and and know that this man has done gone in there and cleared public land, Mr. Chairperson, Mr. Fantastic that that portion is not in the deed that we did find. So that portion that's
why we said that portion there none of the what the county maintains is obstructed. So at the time that would have been prescriptive easement ownership by the county. So we would not have known that there was any question.
But if and I don't want to speak out of turn, but Conrad, wasn't that 20 foot that that's not even part of what's deed in the deed that we did find? That's correct. That's what we were told today, right? So that's not even part of the
equation with the the the piece the county piece there. So search fence is not outside not even on that piece. That's my understanding. Yes. Mr. I was trying to discuss for just talking about
correct. So there's, you know, so for the countywise, I mean, what is there for the county to do at this point? I mean, is it is there anything for us to act on as far as I mean, if the if the I understand
that what I heard is this was deed over to the county by Alex Ralph back 60 years ago. So if this county says so it belongs to the county now,
right? So how could someone just go file a deed and they just take the take the property over without the county's consent? Well, the question came up uh was in fact the deed accepted by the county. Obviously it was accepted at least some
portion of it was accepted because of the uh um maintaining. We talked to the vot superintendent. He'd been said he'd been maintaining it for his 15 years. Not the not the whole thing. Just the oneird as I talked about. But even if
even if the other two pieces of the one/3 wasn't maintained, then that don't mean somebody just could take it over. No, but I thought that the whole problem was that that there was a
a complaint about the church blocking a county. I thought that I thought that was one of Mr. Ralph's complaints. It was his original complaint. May I May I show you a picture? I'm done. Okay. I just And by the way,
you don't want to talk to me about Facebook. You sent money on there as well. Can I show you a picture? Sure. never talked to you. See what I'm talking the end of. I see the Yes,
sir. So, at this time, if the county didn't want to do anything with the property, let it sit, we don't anything. I mean, if Mr. has an issue that maybe it's more of a civil issue at this point. Does that sound right?
That's right. So there's nothing to get a direct staff for anyone to go chase at this point. So there's nothing else than this item and we'll move on to county staff items. Thank you. Second item
13. The board will consider requests to award the Stein Hatche coastal park planning project and associated contract to Avcon incorporated attended by Medalie Cox Granch writer. Hey everybody. Hey Malie.
We received five proposals in the FQ Park. We have some very good proposals per submitted to us, but the top um one ranked by the review committee was and we're respectfully requesting
that you um vote to allow us to move forward with negotiating a contract with them and moving forward with the team coastal park project. Any questions or discussion for the board? Question. We'll obtain a motion to approve.
motion. Second by Mr. Moody. All in favor? Right. I'll move on item 14 the for review and consider approval of the Florida Department of Transportation Public Transportation grant agreement and resolution in the
amount of $175,000 for financial project number 443552-494-25 rehabilitation construction and realignment of taxiway phase one at the Perry Foley airport is agenda by Melody Cox
the the grants in an amount of $175,000. It is 5% of the estimated project cost, which is $3,500,000. As you know, we recently submitted a grant to FAA for the third
time for funding assistance for this runway um realignment. This will be a requirement of FAA that we have to realign this runway and that's why we keep resubmitting every year. We're told there's not sufficient funding. So
hopefully um this year will be a better year and obtaining that funding. Understood. Thank you. Do we have a resolution? Do we have a motion to read resolution? Motion by Commissioner Moody. Do you have a second? Take by Commissioner Fagel. All in favor?
I resolution that really doesn't have a title. So I'll just read the first paragraph as says whereas the Taylor County Board of County Commissioners in the state of Florida Department of Transportation have determined it be an invest mutual interest to facilitate the development of herein described project
at the Perry Foley airport det. It's a rehabilitation, construction, realignment of taxiways phase one airport financial project. And I'm not going to read the number. Yeah. Have a motion to approve resolution. Motion. Motion by Commissioner. Second by
Commissioner Moody. All in favor? Motion to approve the agreement. Also a motion by Commissioner Beagle to approve the agreement. We have a second. Second back to Commissioner Moody. All in favor? I. All right. Oh, I I I just want to ask a
question. Um I know for the past 15 years we've done a lot of improvements at the airport. Um so where does that where does that leave us? I mean we've done a lot of of work
out there. Are are we seeing any difference out there in terms of traffic or potential for something else? I think now Melody, help me if I'm if I'm saying anything incorrectly, but I think the the changes that we're making, a lot of
them are um FAA mandates, right, Melody? And not necessarily meant to Yeah. Not necessarily meant to improve traffic at the airport, but to address changing FAA regulations and safety concerns. That's what this realignment is about. So, and
and I'm glad they're funding, you know, their mandated improvements. Now, the addition of the hangers will definitely the tea hangers um will definitely help our airport as far as
revenue. Um and my lady, that's really I mean, we have the high mass lighting. Um but that's really safety related as well, right? Yes. Then the apron improvement that we um have just completed that is safety
related too. The majority the va vast majority of the projects have been safety related at the airport. Um the same with the um hazardous mitigation, wildlife mitigation projects. That's due to safety issues,
but a large a large portion of what has been completed with grant funds has been safety related. Now, uh Manda is correct. The tea hanger project is um to bring in additional revenue to the
airport and this would grow there. the same with um the RIP and SP gas funding, right? Hopefully that will help um increase airport. Are we looking for any more
opportunities to add anything else to the airport that would generate revenue? I I I think we have a gym out there. Um, and I've said for many years that I would really like to see more
um, we had we had something making a little bit of money out there and that was a hayfield. Well, I'm talking about even even more than that. I know some of the smaller airports around us uh, from what I've been told have a lot of things
going on there that generates a lot of revenue and traffic. So, is anybody looking at this? Yes, ma'am. Who? The TCDA is helping us with that. Who's TCDA? I looked I talked to all kind of people about building solar panels field out
there. Duke Energy and all of them told me we didn't have enough open ground that would be qualified for solar panels at the time. They said there was a possibility later on we could and that would be a real bump if we could get all
that extra ground out there in solar fields because we can't we can't anymore because FAA said we weren't charging enough. So, we are um working with the TCDA to um consider the possibility of bringing
something aircraft related to to that property. And also um what we would like to do down the road is when we update our master plan is to consider pulling some of the property out that belongs to the airport
now and possibly purchase it from the airport. So, it's in the county's name. So we have more freedom to make decisions about, you know, rentals and something that's income generating. Is it
um right now, for instance, could a um um FedEx airplane or or one of those come in? Um I don't think we have said enough runway, right? I don't
think we have quite enough runway for something like that. And we have looked at the possibility of extending the runway, but that would probably be quite a challenge because of the residential activity in the area where we would have to go. So,
um, we've tried to, you know, just kind of take a step back and consider removing some of the property out of, um, the air the airport's name, I guess. lack of a better term, and convert it to
county property. So then we can we don't have to meet all the FAA regulations when we're looking at something revenue generating because their requirements are are pretty stiff. But, you know, I'm just trying to think outside of the box.
And, you know, but if we could if we could make it so that we could do something like that and if we could secure some state contracts of some kind that we could really start generating a lot of activity and business out there,
um, that could really be a revenue. Um, so I think that, and Melody, help me with these dates if I'm wrong. I think a master plan is typically updated every 10 years, but I've asked if it's possible to update it maybe sooner. Um,
because we're at what, like year seven, Melody? Yeah. Yeah. To see if we've been up. We received FDOT funding for the master plan update because it's um quite expensive with the requirements
that they have on updating the master plan. So, if we are able to receive funding to do that, then we can at least remove all the, you know, like the closed runways, we could remove those um from the
airport ownership if if the county could purchase that um and then we can lease it to whomever we want to. Right now, we're we're kind of constrained to whom we can lease it to. It has to be in the event of a disaster. Yeah, this is just
one of those things that I feel like we should be proactive in is really trying to develop our airport. Like I said, I think that's a gem out there, but it's underutilized. And I understand why, but if we can, you know, go ahead and update
this plan sooner rather than later and and let's just, you know, take the bull by the corners and let's get that's something we're working on. Do we have to um as far as the funding to update that plan? I know I talked to Avcon about
doing that maybe a month ago, but what is the process for applying for funding to get that done? It has to be entered into our JF statewide plan, right? which I'm sure that we can do and I'm not sure if we
can move around funding for other projects. The other projects maybe would be as great as a priority, but um it would have to first be entered into um the the Jet before being considered for
funding. I believe I can follow up with with um John on that tomorrow. Okay. Yeah, we I had mentioned it to him, like I said, maybe a month ago, but I think we got so caught up in some of these other projects that we just haven't gone
back to that to discuss. Yeah, I'll follow. Thank you. Thank you. Item 15, the board to consider approval of proposed ship HHRP Hurricane Idelia recipients and the
invitation to bid for one rehabil rehabilitation home and two demolition and two new construction home as agenda by Beverly Grant. Yes, we have three projects that we um would like your approval to go out the
bid. There's Cedra Smith, she is a rehab. Michael Barnes, he's a demolition in reconstruction. And Ron Copeland, he's a demolition and reconstruction. And I would say after these three, we most likely will have
all of our Felia funds expended. I don't think that we will be able to do any more projects. We will be moving some of the applicants into ship, but they will have most likely an extensive weight with the
amount of ship funds we receive at this time. But with your approval, we will move forward with going out for bid on these three. Motion to approve. Motion by Commissioner Beagle to approve. We have a second Moody. All in favor? All right. Item 16, the board to
consider approval of change order number one in the amount of $115,355 to change the rehabilitation work to demolition and new construction through the CDBG program on the home of Dustin Wimberly Amber Scrub Schubert
identify Cox Grand. It will actually cost us more to do a rehab on this home than to do a demolition and new construction. The house also had additional damage from the last um year of hurricane. So, we're
requesting approval to move from um a rehabilitation to demoing new construction. In addition, the CDBG program now requires that a home that is constructed along a highway
um has an 80 foot long 8 foot high concrete wall which will cost an additional $19,300 and that's part of the $115,000 change order. We don't have an option on that. That is requirement. So,
we are requesting to move the home into a demo um instead of rehab as it's more costefficient. This going to cover the 115 355. Uh it will be covered with SHIP funds.
Okay. We have um made sure we have sufficient funding available. We have that CPG match with SHIP, but this will be additional funding and we have confirmed that we do have sufficient SHIP funding to cover it.
Motion to approve. Motion back. Second by Commissioner. All in favor? I 17. The board to review and consider approval of design bill documents for the construction of the new south at the Tan Sports Complex as prepared on behalf
of the county by Incorporated agenda by Maly Cox Grass Rider. We are requesting your approval on the design build documents and to go out for bid on a firm to do design build on the construction of the new soft complex at
Chameler County Sports Public. The entire project has a estimated cost of $483,000. However, that is for the entire project. We are asking the contractor to or whoever is awarded um
the bid to separate out all the cost estimates. So um we know that we have sufficient funding to do all elements. It could be that there are parts of this ball field. We may not be able to um be able to cover maybe the shade coverings
or something along that line, but we are asking your approval to get this advertised. The project has to be complete by April 2026. So, we got pretty tight timelines on this.
Any questions or discussion for the board? Question. We got a motion by Commissioner by Commissioner Fo. All in favor? Thank you, Bailey. Thank you very much.
All right. Okay. Administrator items uh 18. The board to consider appointment of two members to county plan board agenda county administrator. So I know we have four.
You do and there are four applications. Donnie Pigford, Chris Carter are seeking reappoint and Sarah Vincent and Randy Hathco are have submitted applications. These were advertised on the county
website and in the newspaper ranking one through four. One being correct. Right, comrade one through four. always be. All right, we will uh we'll go on
to okay with this Mr. Bit 19 administrator to discuss information items. I really don't have much. We've been pretty busy preparing our budget request um and get those finalized and into finance. Uh tomorrow should be just
about the gist of them. I will be bringing back a request for proposal documents for the insurance um for the property and casualty and workers comp. At the next meeting for advertisement.
All right. Uh, we'll go to our next item. Comments and concerns from the public for non-aggended items. For non agenda [Music] items to item 20, board commission, can you
um tell us again the dates for the budget on my calendar? Okay. So, we have Monday, July 14th at 9:00 a.m. Monday, July 21st at 9:00 a.m. Thursday, July 17th at 9:00 a.m.
and July 24th at 9:00 a.m. So July 14th, 17, 21st and 24th. Thank you. And then the budget meeting date um July 29th to set proposed millillage at
5:30 and then we will um update with you the the public hearing dates in [Music] September. Amen. [Music] Let us finish up on the new
members our planning board. two. Sarah Benson and Randy. Okay. We hear our new members to the planning board be Sarah Benson and Randy
Hathcock. Motion to approve those two. Motion by Commissioner Fel to approve. Do we have a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Moody. All in favor? All right, Mr. Chairperson, I'll reach out to both of them tomorrow because we have a meeting this week. That would be
their first meeting and make sure they get their package that's coming up pretty quick. Everybody wants to look at the ballot to all we all favor.
Thank you all. Line muted.