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Commissioner Moody put this. >> He did. He is. He said it' be just a few minutes. Maybe just a few minutes. There you go. There you go. [Music] Commissioner Moody, we had we already
kicked off with the prayer and the pledge. So, we're kind of on our first item. I know you had mentioned bringing this solid waste item to the board. So, if you wanted to ride, it's just a situation where if we don't
get a hand on, it's going to get worse and worse. We've talked about it for years. keep getting down the road that can keep the can. But if we don't go to nothing but stickers, we hurt ourselves.
Uh passing the cars around is just too easy. And the only people that really affect in any way would be people that rent places and they can take it take the sticker, put it on, put their house key
on it, you know, on put something together back and put your head and put the house key rental house on it and won't be no problem. I did it when I had rental houses. I mean, never
had no problem. Mexico. They had to call, you know, the sticker on the thing. And that's what I did. Anybody else could too. And Jerry and me talked before about the situation. I've seen people pull up to the dump,
the trees eight, nine foot long. It take two or three people to hammer them to get them over in the dump. And it that's a problem in the G when you when they get there with all that. I mean, it's it's a mess in them dumpsters, but people need to
cut it up smaller where we can get it in the in theator. Y'all have to do probably cut some of it up on here to get it in the generator. And I just uh it's that's the issue. And honestly, we've got a world of people
out of the city carrying garbage to our dump. And I mean, some of some people go there out of the city. They got place in the city in the county. And I mean, they got a sticker, but they just it it puts our employees at a at a disadvantage for
them to say anything to somebody unless you know, if they got a sticker, it won't be no question. And they don't need to be there if they don't have one. I mean, it's just a no-brainer for the We're putting pressure on employees to have ask them people, "Oh, have you got
a one gentleman the other day, he didn't have his card, he cussed the employee out and uh finally he stayed there. He called his wife on the phone and she brought the car, you know, but if he had a sticker on the truck, I mean, it
wouldn't been no question." And I mean that that kind of thing happens a lot. I called those I stopped at several different pump sites including mine and asked the employees how issues they had and they'll tell you you know and the
lady said she got you know talked to real bad and wasn't sensitive man it had trucker on it and people I mean the stickers are not that expensive if they change if they sell the truck or wreck their truck or their car they can buy
another sticker when you're in the hunt club and you trade trucks, you got to buy a new shape and they're not that expensive. I mean, that's that's where I'm at with it. I don't know if anybody support me on that or not, but >> I've got a couple of questions with what
you just said. Uh, first of all, with city people, and I know that that that's I know that's being abused, but I know with my family, Richard and I, we buy five stickers a year because we have five properties and and four of them are
in the county. So, if somebody saw one of us going to a roll off, they would think, oh, she lives in the city. So, I don't know, you know, I just want to make that clear. The second thing is with the
stickers. Now, would we um get new send out new stickers annually? >> Well, you can do it every two years, but you I mean, we need to get them at least every two years. I mean, I would say, wouldn't you, Mr. Wong? I think it's
been about two years since we have have changed the color, but I will I mean everyone knows it causes it seems like it causes chaos every time we change and it normally takes months for us to
either get all the stickers out or people, you know, threw away their letter. Um, I mean it and if we do that again, as busy as our building department is, we probably need to have an employee for a while that we can utilize for that.
>> Did we uh did we was it a tax bill at one time? >> Uh, yeah. So, so >> backing up with stickers, I mean, if we think stickers is the way to go, that's fine. The way to go, but I think backing up to the landfill, would it be it's fair to say that landfill
or the I'm sorry, the rolloff sites are not set up to take in all of this construction debris and the big trees where to me the construction debris somewhat also getting paid to haul off.
So, uh and and that's that's building material such as that. So the uh the big trees and such that are probably hauled off, most of that's probably done by a contractor that's probably getting paid so to speak to haul off. So generally
speaking, we have the incinerator out there. You know, these broad sites are probably mainly designed for far as yard waste. I mean, uh, trimming hedges and such as that, you know, just small small items such as that, not big trees and
big land. >> It's considered yard trash. So, so y'all, we did give y'all a list of accepted solid waste, prohibited materials that kind that really is just taken from our ordinance. So, construction debris
is considered prohibited. Um any any type of land clearing activity vegetation is prohibited. Yes. >> Prohibited but I think we're taking it right. >> Oh, it's showing up. >> So it's getting there. So what I was saying is we have rules that we're
obviously not following on our own. I mean, because folks that are folks that are tearing the house or you got construction going on at their home, the right thing for them to do is call I'm going to say pops or whoever have a can drop at their >> location and then they get rid of their
waste, their construction debris that way. Now, as far as helping out with uh trees and such, you know, big trees and such as that, is there any way that we can open up where folks could take the limbs and trees to the incinerator to the
>> It already is. >> Well, it is opened up, but the problem is the people that show up are bringing in something we can't take because we can't go over 4 foot 12 in theator. I got you. Um, >> and there's a charge for it.
How often does it happen? They're coming in. >> None hardly. >> The biggest thing they try to get in at uh the roll off sites. That's where we have the issue at. >> So, are we directing them to the incinerator, so to speak, and then the
folks, they come in and say, "Hey, >> you can't put it here at all, but it need you I go ahead and tell you, you go to the incinerator where that's at, but I go ahead and tell you it's the pieces are too big. You need five foot pieces." That's what happens. They turn them away. Normally, if it's 4 foot,
12 in, they'll take it at the roll off. But if it's bigger, they'll run them out or usually until they start >> fighting. But with Let me go back to the sticker a little bit. And while we're on this subject, the sticker is great. It it curbs a lot of it and everything, but
then you got the guy with the sticker that has a yard service or debris pickup and they show up. that's on the paper in here. They'll show up three times a day, uh, two or three times a week. And that's the people we have a lot of
issues with battling them. And when I say that, they know that they're taking advantage of the county at that point. I probably need some direction on what you want me to do with these people. I would say, you know,
because my people are are basically a little scared of them when they >> Well, I would say as long as they're bringing it in within reason, then I understand they're probably coming in without a sticker or without they do have a car. In that case, they might come in without a sticker. So, uh, but
they normally they have a sticker and they'll just keep coming and you they've got like a trailer and they'll have a lawnmower and weed eaters and you know >> Yeah. >> that they're running a business. I know for a fact a lot of them are >> for sure >> cuz I track them and people can
>> we say by fair to say that by following the rules that we even have, if we were following the rules, we would cut back on some of the controversy over the raw stops being fooled. at time we got all sides being full if we're not taking all this excess stuff
that really shouldn't be taken then you're probably going to cut down on some of the and you may even cut back on some of your fuel cost because you're >> absolutely >> they're making a living off us on the county I'm telling you there's a bunch of them doing it
>> you know you know sometimes we have people that work in our yard for us. I'm just going to play the devil's advocate right for a minute. Sometimes the people that work for us in our yard,
they will haul off stuff for us. Okay? I don't know if they're working for anybody else, but I know when they're working for us and what they take. Okay? So, um I'm already paying the $178 or 74,
whatever it is, times five. But um so why would they how do you deal with that Gary? I mean >> what you got to look at if somebody does a job or anybody comes in as a business
if they're doing side work as a yard clearing, debris pickup or whatever, they're getting paid to do that. So they should add a fee on if they have to take it somewhere else. I don't think the county should be responsible for that. I I I I just don't think it's right for
me, for instance, >> to have to I pay the $174 and then I've got to pay for it to be helped again just because somebody's working for me and they're taking mine. >> Well, I don't know that you're going to
be needed. I don't think it would be right to charge them for regular yard stuff that we can that's coming out of the county that would normally be brought to the law anyway just because someone maybe older folks might can't do it to hire someone. >> How would you know that? Well, I don't but I can tell you what they do at the
landfill and I don't know this is even I don't know if that's even you know uh do this but I know at the landfill when you've got four counties there whenever comes in they say hey this come from Taylor County and can can the roll off
attendant you know can they can the folks coming in and bring it can they maybe put in an address log in an address where it's coming from and I I don't want to put more work on someone. But I mean, you got to track it somehow. >> I think that, if I may, I think the
issue is, say that you have someone who does yard work for people, which is completely legitimate. I get it. And they have a card from one of the property owners, but say they have four other customers who don't pay the assessment. That's what's kind of hard
to track is, you know, say they because we don't know who pays the who of their customers pay the assessment and who don't. So I think is that what you're saying, Gary? So that's where we sometimes run into difficulty and when
we have folks who maybe obviously run some type of lawn service and they have a card which is or a sticker, whatever we ask of them, but we I mean it's obvious they're contractors, but we don't have any way to identify
them as contractors. They don't have a sign on their truck or whatever. and they can they may go to several different rolloff sites several times a day because maybe that's where the customers are. We just don't know. >> But they're bringing in waste that we
say is legitimate to bring in then >> if you pay the assessment. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Well, we don't we just don't know. If they're if they're coming in three or four times a day, then it seems like to me that
they're probably a contractor, right? >> But if I've got this, you know, somebody that's not in the business, that's just somebody that helps us every now and then, and I give them my card, >> right? Take this and take it down there
because this is my little bit of trash or however much it is, and I pay the the fee. So, I don't think that that I should have to pay pay again. But I I want to go back to the cards again because we know that renters many times don't
return cards. I've had that happen with people that rent from house. >> You put it on the house key is what I did. I had to hook with a change of the house key. >> But when they moved, they're >> Okay, I see what you're saying. But some of them will take that card with them
and you never hear from them again. I mean, seriously, >> I think you said do away with car. >> I'm talking about the sticker. You know, the sticker itself can be laminated to a something, put a hole through it, put a
chain on it till you key it out. You know, that's what I did at one of the houses. If we were able to continue to use the stickers that we have and and not use the cards, wouldn't that be quite a savings and not having to mail out the notices? I mean, do we have an
idea of >> how much the cost would be to to go back through the pro? I mean, what I'm trying to see is if we if we go just with the sticker system and continue to use the stickers we have, I think you you may be able to to track that and and not have
to go back through all the costs with postings. Well, I not sure what the cost is, but just like one lady told me, she said, "I sold my car and I left the sticker on, >> right?" >> You know, she's going to have to have a new sticker.
>> Sure. She can she can purchase another sticker, >> but that that that sticker still on that car. She sold her car, too, too. And and they lived it to see. So, you know, I mean, and one lady told me she didn't want a sticker on side of her car. I
said all you got to do open your door, stick it right inside the jam right there on the door. When you open your door to dump, they can see the stairs standing right there. >> No question. You just open your door, the sticker flame you right there.
>> So outside of a whether it's even disregard the sticker or the card, whether it's a sticker or a card or a big old flyer, if we just follow the rules, >> right? If we followed the rules and didn't take construction debris at the
rolloff site and didn't take the big trees at the rolloff side, who cares what they come in there with? >> That would be great. >> I mean, take the tenant to tell the tenants that, hey, we're not taking it here. You got to take this to the incinerator out of the landfield. But I'm going to tell you
in four or five foot pieces or they're not going to accept it. And people with the construction degree, you got to go, if you didn't already get a dumpster brought in by Pops, you got to go to the landfill in Greenville. And who cares what they come in with a stick on a car?
>> I think whatever we do, people want, you need to have employee training >> and and when you get new employees, you need to have training again and maybe twice a year just to make sure that everybody remembers this is what you do.
But I know some things that happen and when you got roll laws that are close to a county line and you've got somebody that lives just right across the road and they're in another county but but
whoever's working at the rolloff, they've been neighbors forever. And so it's very difficult for them, I mean, to say, "No, you can't you can't bring it here. You've got to take it 15 miles down the road," which that's what
should happen. But I'm telling you, I don't think that's going to happen very often. Well, I mean, even even at the rolloff sites, maybe it would help if you had some little cards in there printed out with the address to where
the incinerator is at H Springs Road and the address to the land. That's what you do. >> Let me ask you this. We save a year if if we didn't take any
construction debris or limbs. But how what kind of figure we looking at? >> I'm not sure on that. There's a tonnage. You can run a report on that. The key thing is this right here when when the rolloff attendant has got good intentions. Guy pulls up there and
Jim knows this. He's been down at Carlton. Mike know, y'all know it. And the guy gets highly abusive when he says, "You can't dump them limbs here." And then it gets really silly. I've to directed them just to walk away and tell them have a good day and if they keep on
just dial 911. But what happens that same person will leave that site and go to another site. You know what I'm saying? There should be something when they if they show out at a rolloff site, the law is involved. They should be something that they if
they're banned from there or something, something's got to be done where they don't come back in there. I don't think it's right for them to keep coming back and harassing >> them. But you got >> We have no trespassing folks because that's what I'm saying. >> But it's it's normally for potential
violence or if it >> they get silly now with them people down there. I mean, they do >> and it's it's sad. It's like that. I I I don't understand it, but they Every change is going to have a little heartburn to it. All the rules are going
to be a little heartburn to it. And when everybody gets figures out that this is the rule that we got to go by, then I believe you would see those to be isolated. >> Oh no. On the debris that you guys are looking at, what do you consider
construction debris? CD. What would you guys >> There's a definition. >> There's a definition. Is that what >> in our ordinance? So hang on. Happy. >> Thank you. Mr. De, >> you're saying it should be volume
driven. Well, no. I'm just saying what what are you looking at? You know, are you saying the couch and a mattress? Is that household? You know, I want to be >> That's not So, this is what the ordinance. Let me read the ordinance. Construction debris means materials
generally not water soluble and non-hazardous in nature including but not limited to steel, glass, brick, concrete or roofing material, pipe, gypson, wallboard, and lumber. Construction debris shall include
materials from the construction or destruction of a structure as part of a construction or demolition project and including rocks, soil, stumps, and other vegetation material which normally results from land development. So I think what Gary's alluding to, if
someone comes into a rolloff site with a piece of tin or they tore down their shed, moving forward, we would say that is construction debris. It is not allowed here. End of story. >> And a something like a sofa would come
under bulk. Trash. >> Yes. >> Same as carpet or or um you know things I guess appliances would that come under bulk too? >> So So white goods are accepted because we can recycle them. >> Return them. Yeah.
>> Yeah. We can recycle white goods which is you know refrigerators whatever. >> Bulk trash is accepted solid waste. So we could take couches, mattresses, etc. That's considered bulk trash. But it so
bulk trash shall not include white goods, automobiles, and automobile components, internal combustion engines, or construction debris. Um, it includes carpeting, but you know, the ordinance is pretty clear about
prohibited materials. So that means any lumber that's brought in we would say no we cannot take that because I don't what I what we don't want can jump in Gary is for there to be any gray area so all of
our attendants understand it doesn't matter how much they bring in it doesn't you know but you're what's going to happen is someone's going to have something in their back of their pickup truck and it's going to be a few pieces of lumber and a piece of tin because maybe they tore something down and we're
going to have to say no. If we're going to strictly follow our ordinance, we're going to have to say no. >> And what what what if we go this route then? Uh in each rolloff station, there should be clearly bulk track and list as
many things under there as you can. CND construction, you know, list as many things as you can. So the roll off tendant is very clear and he can say this is our rules right here and he can show it to somebody.
>> The sign needs to say >> household garbage only is what it needs to say. That's what we're trying to get to. That's what we need to get to. >> We need a sign household garbage only. Have a number of pops there under. If you have anything else, call these
folks. They'll bring you a dump. You got there is some vegetative and some small limb debris, cabbage pond, frond and stuff like that that can come in that it says can come in. So make new signs and put them.
>> How you going how you going to distinguish it? >> List it just like it is up here. Um but now you know they bring that >> they bring I want to ask Conrad though back in 96
or whatever the year was where everything changed you know what I'm talking about where you know it used to be household garbage only and then around 96 sticks I'm in my mind for some
reason it has changed that it would include all the stuff that we're talking about >> right >> now. What would it take to go back to the way it was in 96, Conrad? >> I think you probably just want to amend
an ordinance and and put some penalties in there. >> And didn't it have something to do with the payment? Um, >> so um I don't know if it was 96. It may have been 2006 or 2006. So what happened
was at that time the decision was made to increase the assessment and take into consideration that say every seven years or how often people remodel their homes and we wanted to be able to accommodate the increase in materials by increasing
the assessment. But just by definition, you know, only um you we should not include those materials. So, so the present ordinance, I think, really narrows down what we can and cannot
take. Um because it's primarily, you know, it the accepted solid waste is really laid out. I think at the time that the ordinance was adopted, there was a real concern about I and I think
it was probably primarily vegetative um debris, you know, how do we how do we not accept that anymore? So, and then there's so much angst over, you know, how to collect the payment, whether we charge by the yard
or whatever. But I I think if you just rip the band-aid off and say this is what we're going to follow, we could track it and and make sure that we are following our ordinance. >> Yeah. I'm going to ask Gary. Gary in
Madison County, for instance, they have canisters. They don't have a roll off. You know, it's just these big green things and you go up there and clearly it only holds uh household garbage. So
where do the people say for instance in Madison County where do they take their limbs and all that stuff that they take it to the landfield? >> Yeah, they're right there. >> I mean >> that would be a hardship for people in Steam Hatchee.
>> Absolutely. and keeping peace >> and anywhere I mean that's not you know Shady Grove is pretty close to Greenville but other than that really no no one else has that kind of proximity that would that would work. >> Well the only option to that would be
put a scale in Sting Hatch and put a scale in Perry and weigh every bit of it and charge them for what you got and then we could still do what we're doing. But we have to have a scale because if you give them you going to give them in they going to take a mile they'll come
up with a dump trailer. You know >> I think I think it at least should be considered because of that distance commissioner. I mean there there are a number of folks that are not going to be able to go to the incinerator or or they're not going to go to the
incinerator. So I I I think I understand your your comparison in the sense that um you know the mileage from Shady Grove somebody may say hey it's 15 minutes I can be in Greenville you know at the at the landfield somebody hatches say
>> that's not going to work that's just not going to happen so I think at least you had a >> $15 a pickup to come in >> fee for a pickup >> in my case my truck because I'm not putting my garbage in my Tahoe and there are my I can't lift my garbage cans in
the back of my truck. If I brought my garbage cans in, would I be charged or turned away? >> No, I think No, not household household trash would never be charged. >> Well, I'm talking about >> Yeah. If you brought it in a gar bring regular garbage can, you know,
>> they're never charging. But I'm talking like a pickup load. If you come in with debris on a pickup load, let's say 2x4s or whatever, and you say $15 a truck, >> but you could even compare a pack of a truck to a 8 by eight or a 10 x 10.
>> You can you can do the cubic yard. >> If it's bigger than this this size, >> that paper I gave you kind of gives an idea what a pickup load cubic yard is and all that. It's easy math. >> And does the trailer have six foot sides on it? Well, that's that's going to be
considered a dust that >> today I had I went by the M down there cemetery. There was a fell had a gooseeneck trailer full of long trees and there was two fellas. They was doing all they could do to get the tree off the gooseseneck trailer over in the
dumpster and they were sticking out the end of the dumpster and all kind of stuff. I just I didn't even stop. I just seen it when I went by. And that's just that's what puts Gary and all of them and and They can't do that. They don't stick them out of dust. They can't hold it down the highway.
>> I have to cut it. >> Got to cut it. So in respect, we're still trying to get away from taking all this stuff at these rolloff sites. So in respect to the citizens on the south end of town, maybe
look at Katon Beach being the catch location for people drive 20 minutes to keep and you know maybe even do the same with the Hampton Spring site that have a
location there that folks could like the hostel infinity type people can go. I tell you you get right from where you're sitting at. It's 30 minutes to Atlanta. a lot of this. >> I think some of that had to do with populations and and what the volumes are going to be there for your usage. So, I
think that would be a greater driver versus um just saying X location. But I think that, you know, you don't necessarily have to limit that to to one or two sites. If you're saying
this limited amount is this cost, then all our attendants will be aware. And again, it gives the opportunity for some of these hardship residents that that are not going to be able to go to Greenville or these other places. So that's that's the concern. >> What the pickup does for me, it limits
what this if a guy's a contractor, he's wanting to bring in the large trailer full of >> at that point. That's what he does. >> That's what they do. >> That's what they do. They don't bring pickup loads in. They bring in just a massive all the household trash we take it every side just like you bring in.
But when they pull up there with a pickup load and you go, "That's $15." And you look at it and you can see there's debris in there or whatever, that limits that contractor. He's going, "Oh my lord, I ain't bringing this up here that pick up at a time." That
that's that curbs that get a price on that. we really wouldn't know how much it'd save or whatever till we ran them figures for about 6 months or a year cuz a lot of people are going to start burning their yard waste or they're going to start doing this to get like me
my yard waste I burn I mean I got some I just throw it out there and you know I got a little burn pile I burn it now my debris and stuff like that I may go use throw a mattress away I don't know like most people but I about five years I chunk it so I don't haul a lot and it's
just me and my wife but Some have large families, they may have more, but the pickup load to me would limit what people could really bring into the site. You know, they're not going to bring in 10 foot, 18 foot stuff coming in. >> You're saying that would that would
limit the volumes in total and it would be something that's that's more compatible across all >> we can manage that. I think that's easier to manage because when they bring in a trailer load, normally a trailer load will be multiple items in there. It
isn't the same stuff. Then you're going to have a fight there with the attendant that you can't bring that in. It's a mixed load. That guy's going to go sideways at that point. It happens all the time. I mean, you said it's got sheetrock and all kinds of other debris in there. Then he's got some other stuff
mixed with it that he could bring in. He's gonna go, "Well, it's got this in there." Well, you still got this other, it trumps that. Say we can't take it because you say if it fits in the back of a pickup truck, >> let him go 15 bucks and you heavy duty.
>> That would be a good start right there. >> We could try that on trial basis. >> We could try that and that was worth $15 a truck load. And like he said, a contractor is not going to cut it up in small stuff. >> They're not going to do it. They're not going to do it and load it in a pickup
and carry it up there. >> And I think you can get >> but one tree >> you get tree debris in and everything that you need like my yard waist. So maybe Pam it tree debris will fit in a pickup, wouldn't it, Pam? >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. That that would that would eliminate a lot of that and that would
slow that volume down to we could manage it. But the key thing is this and with the city and contractors and all that, we're getting abused a lot on that and there's money out there we could use in other areas to buy trucks, you know,
equipment or whatever versus taking the one cent sales, you know, trying to manage that. And it gives us a little more direction with the rolloff attendance where I can say this is what we do. A pickup load is 15 bucks and we'll take it whatever it is. No
trailer. You're sending no trailers at all. >> No trailers. >> No trailers. >> Somebody comes in with a 8 foot or 10 foot. >> No. Throw it in the back of your truck. We can manage that. >> You can balance collecting that cash at those. >> I think I can set up a system where it
won't be 100, but I think we can narrow it down. I can track it. >> We can count for it. As far as >> we cannot take cash. It would only have We would have We could only take credit cards. >> What about the like the clerk? Maybe he could set us up a QR code system.
I mean, I think we done this at the boat ramp, right? >> Yeah. >> If we have to do that, I mean, it we can make it work. And and just like this here, when they go to the boat ramp, they know they got to pay. If they come to the we hand out flyers in the next three months and say, "Hey, October 1st,
we're doing this." Or December 1st, >> January 1st, >> January 1, this is where we're going. So, if you show up, you got to be able to pay for this. If you go to Walmart, you don't get groceries free. I mean, they haven't gave me none. So, >> and that would give us time as people come in and get permits for construction
or demolition. We could hand them a flyer and let them know effective January 1st or whatever date you decide upon. you know, there no, we're not we're no longer taking trailers of anything other than household garbage at
at our rolloff sites and have a list of where they can get a container and that would give people plenty of time. We can make a sign, you know, too, a big sign out at each site and just like you said, set it up explaining what you know, you know, this is what we're following the
rules of pickup load and if you need a container, you can call Waste Pearl or POPS and we'll have numbers and we can get flyers out, run it in the paper, and but it just gives us a direction. I ain't saying it's bulletproof, but I do think it's a plan that we can look at. If it don't work, we can pull the plug
on it and go another direction. >> Well, it's a start. We got to start somewhere. And and I I'm I'm I'm in favor of having the if we go to that we have stickers sent out annually because I know people move. I had somebody not
long ago that he called me and he said, "Well, you know, I had a sticker and I had it on my trailer and I went down there and they wouldn't take it because the the sticker was expired." um you know, but I think if we there I mean they're going to be mailing the tax
bill anyway. >> Well, here's how it works. So, what we have done in the past is we have made just a generic bright yellow piece of paper that and it goes in with the tax bills and it says effective January 1st,
you know, we're changing the color of our decals. present this paper to the rolloff site attendant and you can exchange that for one decal or whatever and that kind of that way we just pay for the stuffing of
the envelopes. I mean I can check and see what it would cost to do the mailouts but that is that is a lot of >> it is a lot. >> That is a lot. It's a lot of mailing. thousands and >> thousands and thousands. >> Just purchase an additional decaf, I
mean to replace the one. I mean, if to help them be able to still access the site and that way maybe you wouldn't have to go to to that extreme with with all the to a mail out or notice. >> So, are y'all wanting to change the color of the decal?
>> I think if we're going to going to try what Mr. said is it it would be possible to to just use the current stickers in place and for folks that need a replacement. I mean that's understood. I think there's a way they can >> they can they call we we get about five
or eight ten calls a day at the office and they'll say we moved here we lost our sticker and we'll say go to the rolloff site and have the rolloff attendant call us and verify your name and we'll go we check it up you know with the taxes confirm it and then we
tell the rolloff attendant go ahead and give them a sticker. >> Yeah. Another idea too is um however many uh speakers somebody is allowed, you know, and then if you need replacement ones, if your river took it off, uh they took it off the wall that
you're talking about or whatever, then I would charge. Okay. Okay. An extra sticker is going to cost you, I don't know, $15. I don't know what the magic number is. And that ensures that you know what they're going to try to get those cards or those stickers back
because if I had to pay for many of those uh I I tell you what I do. I get the money up front from my renter. I say, "Okay, this is $15. I'm just using that." And and if you hand me the the sticker back when you leave, I'll refund
your $15. If I don't get it back, I'm going to kick the $15 and you get that on the front end. And and that'll stop some some of that. Nothing's going to be 100%. You know, >> you can laminate it, hook it to the key house key that they use on the rental
hour and that would that would that would stop a lot of that. >> And a lot of them use their put their house key on their car keys, too. You know, a lot of people do that. I do. >> Right. >> So, I wouldn't want a sticker hanging on there. >> Well, I wonder what would we need to do in order to other than just take our
behavior. It is >> I don't believe so. Um because our our ordinance is pretty clear about what we can accept and not accept. Um I don't know that unless y'all wanted to
prohibit something in particular. Um, I think we're okay if we just, you know, if we just say the hardest the hardest part is going to be the construction debris and we just have to say no more. We're not, you know, no lumber, no tin,
no >> no trailers, >> no trailers. And that will and absolutely no vegetative debris unless it's just yard trash or if it's the acceptable size >> and then a pickup truck and not on the trailer. >> Correct.
>> Yeah, >> I think that's what I'm hearing. >> And >> I would rather just try the truck at first because I think the trailer is going to get a little much for them. >> You saying though just speaking when you're saying a truck, are you saying if they have any construction stuff? That's
up to y'all. If we could if you want to take a small amount, it's fine. >> Understood that it was, hey, if you got a little bit of construction stuff in a truck, that was going to be acceptable. >> So, I don't I don't want to >> if you were going to do that, you'd have to include in your ordinance to allow it in a pickup in that volume.
>> Yeah. I mean, >> I don't have a problem. It's not in the ordinance. If we >> if we just test >> if we test the truck to see >> I work on my house little by little I'd be willing to pay the $15 for the little
truck load no more than >> we're accepting if we're taking in and we're going to charge and I thought that's what I was doing the charge for the truck the pickup truck was even if they come in there with vegetative and and acceptable debris then there should
be no charge in the pickup truck but if we're going to charge Bible impression the charges for the little bit of construction that not fit in the back. >> That's probably okay because then it's fair. I mean >> you wouldn't be using the test that you know if a guy comes in like Pam said got
8 foot sides and it's stacked straight up you know. Yeah. It's it's a done deal. If it if you know if say I've got a gate I've got a you know a 5ft gate that goes in on my property you know and
I need to replace that gate and it'll fit in the back of a pickup truck but I guess that could still be considered C and D. >> I mean I think it's a small amount because you're not it's not going to be a volume that that goes towards a
trailer. >> So there is allowable. So there's some discretion. >> Well, I mean I think if it's in that pickup, >> I think generally speaking, if you come in the back of the you're coming in the back of a pickup and like you said, not with 10 foot sides on it, but just in the pickup as if you drive off the lot
and it you might have an 8 foot 24 in there that fits in there, then accept it. >> Let's say it couldn't be a trailer load in the back of your pickup. >> Okay. I mean, we can be as creative as we want. you know, above the way go above the side or something. That that'd
be a good idea. Can't go above the side of the trucking and that'll limit them. That'll stop a lot of the nonsense with these contractors and stuff. I keep harping on that, but I see it so much it drives me lot like I have to go down there, you know, and they get hurt and I have to
pull up there and the guy, you know, is a little aggressive and I'm going, "Calm down, calm down." And I said, "We just can't, you know," and all they do is, you know, get a little silly. Then they drove off and go to the next site and I got to track him and I have to hand these flyers out with these trucks. But
they got creative. They changed trucks. If you look at 98 down there, Calhoun's building, I don't know how many times they swapped on, you know, down there. They tore that down and it ended up I don't know where it ended up. >> Yeah. So the takeaway then um the the
the takeaway is that um that if if we if if it'll fit in the the back of a truck no matter what it is. What if it's busted up concrete? >> Yeah. >> Would that be accepted? >> They could probably lift, you know, I
don't know. They can >> tires. Tires. We got a place for tires. >> Well, tires are recycled, so we don't charge for that. Are are you saying that it's just prohibited materials that we're going to charge and it's the only amount that we're going to accept is in
what's in the back of the truck? >> Well, I think it's the I'm hearing that I mean if it's if it's on list that we say we accept it like household trash, >> right? >> Uh the the the little yard trash, you know, the bulk trash, little few small
limbs that fit in the back of a truck. There should be no charge, >> right? But the charge I understood the charge comes into play when we bring in the stuff that we really shouldn't be taking. That's where >> and that's your guys' call. I mean if >> that's the little bit of construction like if you were tearing out cleaning up
the bathroom, redoing some stuff >> and you can look at the list and come up with a figure if you want to do $20 whatever you want to do and I think that will push back on. Now, like me, if I if I took a load in, you know, I worked on my house and the stuff I just did
couldn't burn and I took it in there, pulled up there, and I had a, you know, a pickup load up to the side, it's worth 20 bucks to me to go ahead and put that in that container to get it out of my place. >> I mean, absolutely. on your house. >> Well, I probably
>> take away would be that there has to be, of course, you got to put it out there to the public that this is what's going to happen on this day, but then there's got to be some pretty serious training for these employees.
>> This is what we're going to accept. This is when you charge. This is when you don't charge. and potentially have a potentially have a looking at a QR code system that is a truck coming in with cash. >> Yeah. Is it is it fair to say though
that mainly our problem is with contractors and not not just your >> I think I think the city coming in and the contractors is a big deal. Uh we I seen a guy on Facebook the other day
that was at the rolloff site advertising that he does clean up and he's from the city. >> They Gary can tell you this. I I pulled up there one afternoon after was closed on my dump site. Here's a trailer load
of tires in a truck in the ditch. The tire salesman, he he sold tires at the time. He had a semi line. They had a man over at the dumpster, inside the fence, one at the fence, one carrying it to the man at the fence. They had a semi line going filling up the dumpster with
tires. And he had already charged $3 a piece when people bought the tires. >> He had already got that $3 from the people when he couldn't tire. Y'all bought tires. You know, they charge you to take those old tires. >> That's not right. >> But they were unloading. And I didn't I
could have called 911 and got them locked up, but he had them young boys that didn't need to go through all that. I thought they need I got them all up there and I talked to them. I said, "Y'all know your your boss man got y'all in a situation y'all go to jail tonight." What you mean? I said, "Y'all
are breaking the law. Y'all are trespassing to start with and you putting, you know, you're doing something for for your balls on the tire truck." And I said, "That's, you know," and I and they I said, "What y'all done not been there the rest of you need to
go on down the road?" And they and I let them go, you know, and that was several years ago. But I brought it up at the time. You remember me saying that a long time ago and we never did anything. You didn't hear you talking about it. What about the tire period? Is it is it worth
taking the tire? We we get we we reap money from a grant to cover that when I I do a work plan on it and I all lot allocate so much money a year for tires. So it's kind of it's covered basically the tires are what we get into is when they try to bring in oversized tires
like tractor tires, semi tires and stuff. We try to keep it down to a truck pickup and a passenger car and we we do pretty good on that. Uh, and like I say, the the tire issue is just controlling the volume they bring
in. I don't want a guy that does it for a living to unload his whole back field. You know what I'm saying? That ain't fair there. And they they have a tendency to try to do that. They'll hit four sights and bring in six tires at a time. And uh that, you know, people do that.
>> 98 in wood. I don't have four or five sides. >> I got a funny story for y'all and and and some of y'all probably have already heard this story, but this has been several years and I went to this
particular raw loss and um I had, you know, some limbs that we had trimmed some trees and it was just, you know, not not big limbs, small limbs. And so I got up there and the and the Roma he came up there and he was talking and
everything and I said um and he did not know who I was and I said um do you get much metal here? He went oh yeah we get a we get a good bit of metal here. And I said well do you have people that that come in here and and go over in the
dumpster and try to get it? And he went oh no he said cuz I take it home. He said, he said, "I take it home with me." He said, "Because if I leave it, they're going to do that." So he said, "I take it home." He doesn't know to this day. I don't He might know me by
now, but I I said, "Oh, okay." I never did say anything. >> When I got I got some game camera. I'll tell the story. It's been a couple years ago. I still do it. Uh I was at with my granddaughter in Orange Beach. She was at a tournament and I put them in before
I left and this is no exaggeration. At one side them coming in steing stealing metal. We put nine people in jail that night at one site. That's how many people were coming in there stealing metal. >> And law enforcement was having a good
time because I was watching them on video. They had a dog. They got creative. They turned the dog out. You see the guy run by the camera and see the dog right behind him. They caught every one of them. and they'd come by the camera because they knew where it was and they'd go, "Oh, that's funny."
>> It was it was it was wild, you know, and and my grandkids were having the best time of their life watching like cops on my phone, you know? They were going, but they caught nine the first night. I guess they got certain schedules they go by when they, hey, it's my turn to go first down here, whatever. But they we
caught nine that night. It just wants We catch them off and on >> and uh we've done a lot better on that. There's one that lives right there by the Bernard Johnson side. He's every night. When I come from my farm, I come out there after dark or right at dark.
He's backed up there. >> He's been put in jail several times. >> Yes. And Gary's Gary's had to get after him right there. >> He's rough. >> And they going to do it. They just can't stand it. They going to do it. You know, but we we're going to change the fence there for long. >> We are.
>> But they got fence beat down. >> We got Salem lined up. I was going to bring that up. We did. We got that lined up. We're trimming there right now. I don't know if you've been by there. >> Yeah, we trimmed up. >> Gary, do you want to go over the other cost information that we were asked to
provide some numbers some for potential efficiency? And that's on I think the second page of your handout. [Music] >> Which one? >> This one. the cost information.
>> Oh yeah. >> And we also provided So Gary um did some counts. Yeah, there's some on there we >> just >> it hasn't changed a whole lot from 2022 honestly and the volume might be different more stuff but the the count
people is pretty close but on the co cost information like shutting down on Sundays and when I looked at this thing for the church and you know people going it's hard to get coverage but it was brought to my attention about the beach
area and the beach area is driven by people leaving on Sunday. >> So that might be an issue down there with that >> issue. >> It would be because it's driven and I rent down there and off and on like Keaton Beach and stuff and like a
holiday might be on a Monday sometimes, but we have left on a Sunday and you got to take your trash off or the person that you rent from gets very upset. We in charge of it. So that might be an issue. But it was 53,660687 if everybody shut down. Now the counties
around us, I'd say 90 95% of them, they do not work on Sundays, but they don't have a beach area to, you know, to put it's a different environment with that. >> But every What's wrong with Wednesday or Tuesday? >> Whatever. Yeah, it's fine. I mean, we
can do a Wednesday. I mean the the biggest challenge is on Sunday it's the end of the weekend for us and if we have high volumes I have to call out truck drivers and stuff like that to haul from. But whatever you
guys decide. >> Well and if the sites get full then we have had to close some sites early on a Sunday like a holiday weekend >> because the landfill is closed. >> So >> I think I believe that with less snake and less
chain, but just pick up that will probably help. >> Will exactly right. Now, I did look at I and I threw irido out there. It wasn't very much money cost savings on it. It's it's close to Shady Grove, but it's only
it's only $12,000. It's about I think the time wise, same as Salem, you know, three days a week and stuff like that. >> Yeah. Let me tell you something, Commissioner English. This $12,000 here is not worth the grief
to shut that do. >> I would not disagree. >> I would not disagree either. >> I would not disagree. >> Well, I think that was just something that was we were requested to provide some numbers. >> Yeah, we were just looking at >> just looking and when I pulled it up, I
told Wanda I said that that ain't a lot of money for all that. I don't know that it >> and then you know closing at 6 year round the 7:00 was kind of designed for the people at the mill work and shift work and everything there's a little cost savings on it. We we we close about
6 months out of the year at 6:00 and then yet because of daylight savings time it's dark we don't have lighting out there and stuff. If we close at six you know maybe a little cost savings at each site there for the year. That's 26 weeks on that. But that's about it.
>> Gary, do you think there's still a lot of people who go to the sites between six and seven? >> There may be, but I I could do a time study on that. See how many do show up after six o'clock. >> They'll get used to six o' >> It's easy to schedule too with the six
o'clock. You know, >> some of your employees don't get off work till 5:30, >> but they don't work seven days a week. >> No, >> right. the weekend reference to Sundays and I see a couple of comments
and boys want to attend church have a problem with folks for sure want to attend church but uh my people are older you know disconnect
I mean I know people leaving the beaches area probably one time just thinking or open them at maybe 2:00 >> you could and I thought about that 2 to 7 church they can make it
>> well I think you know some of those folks have times that have to be gone so if you're moving those you're going I mean I I understand and I want to accommodate every way we can for folks attending worship >> but I also understand that there may be
folks that it wouldn't conflict with you know So if we can work with our staff, you know, that don't have a have that conflict or maybe they they go to worship in the evenings, you know. So I mean just think that flexibility in in being able to continue to operate these
sites knowing that um you know we're not just doing that because we want to be able to say we've got a site open on Sunday, but that there are you know those rentals or there are those folks that that have that need. So um in specific in in
you know Blue Springs and Sten Hatches. So I mean where we know that volume of rentals and all these folks are having to try to get things ready for folks other folks that'll be be coming in. So, um I just think that conversation if we
can understand with members of staff, you know, that that won't have that conflict or are able to, you know, flex their schedule to to be able to accommodate that. >> How many sites are open on Sundays? Do you remember off the top of >> all of them but two?
>> Yeah, >> Salem and and I do are not open Sunday. county. None is open Lake City and all them. They don't >> I mean if you got people leaving county on Sunday afternoon that need flush
garbage. >> Well, yeah. I mean it's not just like to do it but that's required >> and had you at the beach river when people leave they head up they head back to Georgia they don't retract >> right >> you know
I mean that's just >> I mean we do have to make that change at this given moment but it's something to potentially think about >> just something to think about think about but I think the calculator just didn't pick up.
>> Well, and I think another issue that we may potentially may have to face is, you know, our we lost our recycle building with Helen. It's currently being rebuilt and Carrie, help me
remember. Did they say February? >> I would think it' be February. They're moving >> be complete by February. >> There's a lot of stuff I didn't even realize yet, you know, the foundation they were going to have to come back, you know, and maybe tear it up. Well, they didn't. And, you know, it's just a
long process that building that size, you know, the structure of it is a challenge for what they're trying to do. And like it says here, uh, we're driven by the inmate crew at that recycle barn. And I I should have brought some
pictures, but with one recycle tech and two inmates, they really can't even hardly stay up with the volumes we get. You'll be surprised at the volumes we we there'll be cardboard 30 foot high and 50 60 foot in that in the middle of that
building trying to keep up and it it never depletes. I have never since I've been here, we have never caught up. I'm going on 15 16 years. we have never cleaned it out. >> So depending on the in the availability
of inmate labor, that may be a little bit of a challenge moving forward that we're going to have to look at and we'll have we'll just have to see how all of that works out. But if we are if we're not provided inmate labor, that's going to be a challenge. I think another big
challenge that we face with recycle is some of the materials that we accept that we never can recycle. Um, and you know, we may want to see if there's any way to I don't know if there's any way to limit any of that.
>> We could try to fine-tune. We've tried uh but a lot of people Well, like we like at up here at the city, we put pictures of what we do accept, you know, They just I mean literally pictures of
milk, you know, whatever. It's just a dumping ground. They just fill the containers up, you know, with whatever stir. >> That's the problem. Why do you continue? >> Well, that's why I wanted to bring it up because >> I don't I don't mean that to say I don't want to work with our our city partners.
I'm just saying we can't continue to abuse that service and then collect items that we can't recycle or that contaminate the other items up there in the >> plastic bottles are are a big issue
>> because we there's only a certain type that can be recycled. So I feel like we spend a lot of time just sorting through plastic >> bottles a lot of money, you know, we don't reap a lot from that. We probably lose money on that. We're just trying to keep it out of the landfill and we work through that
>> and that's important. I mean, but >> cardboard is the big big ticket, >> right? So, as when we get to the point where we resume our recycle operations, we may want to rethink what we actually accept, especially if we know that, you
know, we may be limited as far as our labor force. Um or we may have to hire additional people if if we are not provide if inmate labor is not provided to us. You know that that may tie our hands a little bit. So we may only wish
to accept cardboard as an example and that wouldn't hurt our recycle program would it? >> They do it on a percentage of what you know we we produce. And we do we do fairly well on the metal and on the cardboard. We do we do pretty good on
it. And >> so I'm assuming that um these big stacks of cardboard has to be coming from like grocery stores, big big box stores. >> The box stores do their own. >> Okay.
>> Yeah, they do. They have to track with the state. So they do their own >> Amazon bringing your cardboard box. my wife. >> I mean, it's just that's a fact. >> The paper mill that makes cardboard is the only one still rolling.
>> I got a switch the other day and the box was as big as >> So, I think we need to really consider that. um just so we're not we're not handling large volumes of materials that can't
even be recycled. That just I think that just creates a a backload of materials that end up in the landfill anyway because they cannot be recycled and it's it is a lot of work. >> It is a lot of work. >> It's a lot of work too because you know
I thought that all plastic bottles weren't recyclable. I didn't know that. So, I'm sure a lot of people don't know know that. So, you know, I think we need to somehow know and try to educate people, too. >> And I think we'll have plenty of time before we we start taking recyclable
material. I mean, we're taking metal and all that now, but as far as resuming um you know, cardboard, newspapers, you know, we may just not want to handle plastic um you know, and that that that's something we can bring back to the board. But just something to think
about. Uh we if if we don't have the labor force, that's something we need to consider. >> See what kind of feedback you get off of that. >> Yeah. >> What kind of plastic bowl you can't take? Milk. Milk. >> There's all kinds. It depends on the the the texture, color of it.
>> You know what I'm saying? Multicolored stuff like that. You can't take >> I see most people uh put a little bath juice in those poke bottles. >> Is that the kind you can't take? >> Did you take like, you know, water bottles and stuff like that? Stuff that's easy to manage. plastic >> stuff like that.
>> But they'll bring in like they'll bring in a plastic tote to throw in there. You can't you can't recycle that. >> We can't. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> Well, we can get a list. That's easy. But >> just wanted to bring us up while we were
all talking about trash and our plans moving. >> And when we get the building, you guys do need to come out and look at it because the design I seen, what they're putting up, it's going to be really, really nice. It's going to be real nice. >> We'll have new bailers. >> Yeah, everything's brand new. >> Brand new.
>> And uh I tell you, the first hurricane damaged the back end of it, but that last hurricane I didn't think was as bad as the first, but it looked like a bomb went off in the front of the structure. When I pulled up there that morning, I mean, I literally had to take a double
take. I got out and I was going, I have no clue what caused this massive damage cuz that building was structurally pretty sound. I know it had some age on it, but the I beams on that and everything ain't something you can just twist off, you know? It it took a
force. I don't know if something came through there or whatever, but it it literally took it out. I was I was totally shocked. I mean, I I thought it, you know, a little more damage on the back end we were trying to get fixed. It It wiped out the whole front of that sides of that
building like it just exploded. >> And u but the new one's going to be really what I'm seeing. It's going to be state of the it and it it's a game for us because that's that'll be there 40 years from now. 30 40 years it'll still be rolling. Our
kids kids will be using um Wait, just recap this. Take it only pick up only pick up load pick up pick up. >> Um, we're going to train on when to
charge and not charge, so to speak. and then maybe look at a and figure out probably need to figure out what the charge is and then maybe QR code system such as that >> an effective date. We're thinking January 1st just so we'll have a clean
>> I think it'll be a good start and and like I say if it if it fails we can back up regroup. I mean it it's it's worth a worth it. Doing nothing sometimes don't work. So it's worth a try. I mean I think so. I mean, at least we got a a
plan and maybe we have to come up with a B plan. I don't know, but that'd be a good start. >> What about the stickers in the cars now? What how are we going to get away from the cars and go stickers? >> I think we just don't order any more
cards and if we can stay with the same color, we'll just go >> I may have a volume of stickers at my house. >> We'll just go to decals. Yeah, just maybe if if if someone's coming to get a new sticker or they ask for a card, you're only doing stickers now, right?
>> So, we'll just stay with with decals. >> And I think I have a bunch of them still stickers versus more cards. I think so. When I glance, we got a huge box of them and I just guy comes in and you know, you give him a sticker or whatever. I
think uh I think that'd be and basically give them two stickers, one for both vehicles or just one. >> So my question is is there a cost for replacement stickers? >> They close insurance for extra stickers and there's no reason we can't they got
they got the son's got a truck they want to carry the garbage to the dump. They need to buy him a sticker. Well, the only thing with that is then we're we're going to have to pick a location where we can do that transaction and figure out how to I mean and we can do it but I
don't think we want we can't take cash at the rolloff site. So that's going to tie our hands. But if you're setting up a QR system gets you option in there for decal purchase >> decal and then
>> that we don't handle any any cash at all. Well, >> I think two facts. I think if if you've got a code that tracks it, like you were saying earlier as far as clerk's office, you you would know who that individual is that purchased that. Yeah.
>> So it it wouldn't just be Joe public and you could you could confirm it through you know solid waste or the attendant that it's somebody that has paid the assessment and then it's not every time they come down there they purchase another >> you know sticker >> right
>> that that way you you do have a system that's somewhat of a checking box >> and not having cash. So, if I've got a sticker and they never change colors and and obviously they don't have a date on them or are they
going to have a a date a two-year date from so no date on it at all. >> So, is the rolloff attendant going to have to go out and physically look at every sticker for every vehicle? >> That's the only way you can police it. >> That's the only way to do it. I mean, they get to know certain people.
>> Yeah. So I think it would be people they are not familiar >> if you had it on the bump of your truck or on the windshield they just glance over like and if they put it on the door jam but normally just like uh Harrison Blue out there uh that guy probably
knows 90% of who has a sticker and who don't and they'll pull up there and say hey Joe hey bill hey you know they they grew up together worked at somewhere to go in there I do >> the same you the savage side.
>> But I I think I think you guys with the pickup load and all that, I think it's a good a good thing moving forward with that and give us opportunity to see if we can clean this up a little bit. I I honestly appreciate you guys looking at that because it it's
a lot of grief that we go through and it when I go down there, the last thing I want to do is battle these people, you know, when I I get the call, I have to go down there, I'm like the enforcer, you know, and I go down there and the and the and they're already mad when you
get there. So you there's no way to get around it, you know? They're already >> big enough to take care of them. Well, and I don't want to get I don't want to have to, you know, go medieval on somebody over the garbage. I didn't see that in here. Is that the next sheet?
>> 90% when I get out of the truck, they usually calm down. We still got to Some people don't. >> Well, you know, it's just like uh Commissioner English that you said in the beginning, people don't like change. Change is difficult and and you'll have
some uh probably quite a few people that are not going to be happy because it's change. But I think that that our message to the citizens is that hey, we're doing everything we can to save
your taxpayers money >> and and and this is a trial. We're going to see it. We appreciate if you help us to make this work. And if we find something that's not working, then we'll revisit and see if we can come up with a
better uh solution. But I think it's how you spin it. And you just got to talk to people. And some people still even when you talk to them, they're not going to want to accept it. But um it's just they don't want their taxes raised. Well, they don't want
their uh fee every year change uh increased either, you know. And another thing that we can do, I just thought about this. Why don't we on our on our permit applications for construction or demolition, why don't we just ask who
who is taking care of your construction debris or put a blurb in there. You know, we do not accept construction debris at our rolloff sites. You know, we can even ask them for a copy of their contract just to make people start thinking. I mean, however you want to do
it >> indicates that >> you have to have a plan for your >> an additional uh requirement. And I see people driving around, you guys see it, too. There is a lot of trucks hauling containers. >> You got Pops, Waste Pro, a bunch of
them, a lot more than we ever seen before in town here. So, they are a lot of people are using that system. And uh like at my house, I I got one in my house right now because I'm the storm. I'm still cleaning up from it and uh I
got wood debris and stuff like that I'm still working on and the cost of it is minimum compared to me loading it on a trailer hauling it all the way to the roll off and unloading it again. Yeah. I mean I'm not going to do that. >> Quite a few people leading up to this
meeting and that's about that scenario. A lot of them, all of them really said that you whenever they had construction, they got in a can that be them at least for them. They didn't have to handle it. They put it in the can and somebody got >> right. I can get a, you know, get my
tractor, Bobcat, lift it up and dump it in. I'm done with that. You know, I ain't spending three days moving that stuff around. That's my idea. >> I'm I'm a fan of that. >> All right.
Anything else everyone? >> That's fine. We making progress with it. >> Very good. We talk about this item a lot. So appreciate everybody put their heads together and hopefully uh it'll the change will go well. So uh but nothing
else the meeting is ajourned. >> Thank you.