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request that's way back there at the back a it no ma'am that's right behind number eight a which is on the consent agenda actually it's behind nine usually B follows a you just call me up there when it's
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pray Father in heaven we thank you right now for this hour thank you for this opportunity Lord we thank you just thank you because who you are and what you've done for us and what you're doing right now and what you're going to do Lord we ask
you to help us one good degree to another we thank you we thank you and we thank you because we know it's going to be good and father the time that we're looking at [Music] now let it be a good time let it be a
learning all the devil cares from this day forward thank you for that you're going to do again then bless everyone under the sign of my week for for whatever problems they have whatever situation they have you be in
the midst and they will be able to accept the results these blessings and all the blessings ask right now in Jesus name I pray amen am United States of Amer and to the Republic stands one nation God
indivisible with [Music] andice we like to welcome everyone to our December 17th regular uh meeting and we've got a few items to handle here by our conference L that number is 1 917
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it's your turn to speak notify you by announcing the last four digits of your telephone number please announce your name and address and you will be allowed to speak for 3 minutes so with that way have covered our prayer and pledge do we have an
approval everyone look at the um additions to approve to approve the amended agenda okay all in favor okay now we'll move on to our consent items and if everyone had a chance to
take a look at those I move motion by Mr V second second by commissioner Moody I favor all right agenda is taken care of so vids number nine bids and public hearings board to receive vids for the
United States Army Corp of Engineers flood plane mitigation drainage project for stingi Community set this date at 6: p.m. or as soon thereafter as possible be didn't receive any bids Mr chairperson if I may speak to
that so what we will have to do um Mr clerk since those are arpa funds that were reserved for that we have to have that we should have had that project under contract by the end of December which obviously is not going to happen
so what we will do is um have a list of eligible expenses that we can utilize those funds for and then once that I would say once that um is completed then there should be funds and whatever there should be funds available
for for the Stein Hatchy project does that make sense yes so we don't we don't wish to abandon the project we just have to um we just have to do all the ARA reporting and then most likely what that will free
up is funds in the general fund for that project yeah to shi shi which actually gives us a little more time to work through some permitting issues um and and I've already discussed this with our
consultant and we just have to make sure we we record everything okay so no bids at a later date than so um we will read advertise um at
a later date we're still waiting for resolution of some permitting and mitigation questions so actually it's I would say it's it's actually preferred when we have answers to those questions we will let the project begin I
see the board who okay the board the board okay very good there's nothing I guess to vote on there because we don't have anything to receive so we'll take that as information we like to receive some more information in the form of a bid
preferably or two um so any rate um so if we go here to uh public requests Miss Moore has asked to to go forward or come forward if that's okay with the board is
the board in favor of l hearing Miss Moore first and then we'll have 9 a here my name is Cindy Mo I'm on Davis Drive and I'm here to
solicit from the commissioner for the uh auction tomorrow that is going to be to help the people at the beaches that still need help there's an auction
tomorrow at the Woman's Club and I've already donated four pictures and Gary and Wanda both have bought one of these they they will be professionally printed it's a pair of
eagles along the Taylor County to Coast they're um between Blue Spring Creek and Fish Creek Road but and I think it shows the
residance and strength of the people of T County if a bird can make it the people of tayor County can make it I mean it just so I would like for y'all to consider buying one they're $30 a piece
then I'll pay feebe and the reason they're that much is i b Best in Show at the North Florida Fair three years in a row so that's why they're 30 a piece and
then I still have to pay feebe so I would like for y'all to sit you know open up your pocket book [Music] please' yeah you take cred no oh
yes and if anybody else would like one they're professionally done by phoe's photo studio and you know so there they're better they want you to get at Walmart
or somewhere like that well here's my $30 so give me oh well thank you we want one too well I need a piece of paper I piece Pap well you know I got to write
you I got to write your name down that you're buying one but I got to write it down on offal thank you I mean it's a good shot he got change he got Chang he doesn't take crit no no
she's she's not I'm not Suzie rich person oh I do understand beard club meeting tomorrow we willo well we certainly appreciate you coming forward Miss
Mo anybody else any questions requ sta counselor you no questions you got the paper okay thank you Miss Moore thank you we're going to uh move to item 9 a at this point more to consider approval
request for elect panel meters fo zon to be installed Elation as requested by Jenny L contras as far onal is on the line and she's also emailed her presentations to us she
may to bring up to display on the screen first hello hello there hi good evening good evening M peon were you able to upload my presentation yes ma'am which one would you like us to display
first uh if you could display the uh PowerPoint that would be great is that titled old Pavilion RV uh yes ma'am okay you'll just have to let us know when to advance the screens
please yes ma'am okay thank you good evening I'd like to take the time to to say that uh I want to thank you guys for um Len listening to this request um this is on behalf of the old Pavilion RV park and all other RV parks
um inside Perry Florida I'm delighted to be here uh sorry I can't see you guys in person um I'm still in trial so I'm having to do this over a phone um if we can go to number two
um if you guys can see what I'm displaying it's typical meters inst for RV parts this is typically what's installed um around Florida um especially around coastal areas um I understand that the
nfip um you guys wanted to be under a request for um for the for them to elevate the you're requesting or the building Department's reques that these be elevated above the
B um which is a blood face but in all actuality um when I spoke to email I've spoken to other building officials around Florida um this is some this is a requirement that isn't required uh for
uh actual RV parks I think uh Mr Johnson back in June uh requested that the board considered um two RB parks and in 100 amp service to be below the blood sorry to be below the BFB and I think that his
request um although it was limited to just two RVs for 100 amp breaker service I think that his request um is fairly common and is something that um the board did approve back then and what I'm
requesting today um is for the board to consider um our can not have actual structur uh actual structur this so if you go to P or number three this is actually what the board is requesting or
not the board I'm sorry the building department requesting stairs um to access these meters um the issue with this is is that there's several violations with this one of them is if I look at the H
2414 it kind of goes into specifics but it says that stairways and ramps must be designed and constructed to resist flood loads and minimize transfer of flood loads to foundations and Bre and and if if if there is some sort of cause the
Breakaway without causing damage to the main structure to be retracted or to be raised in this instance these stairs can't be retracted or raised um further down the line in the ASC 2414 it states that any stairs walls or
ramps that are designed to break away must not produce debris that is capable of damaging structures if you look on um if you advance to number four slide number four I think the intentional the intention of
the F of of fos was to if you look at this this is typically like a what a house would construct and it makes sense if you're asking for the meters to be raised into the buildings um it makes sense if you raise them above the the where the flood Elation could happen and
you know as it stands right now where the sils are there's a lot of the homes over there downon Beach particularly that happen where the sils are and it makes sense to request that they raise them up because there's an actual structure that's up there it's not what we're making it up to we're making these
stairs that are creating more of a nuisance and not only a nuisance but it intentionally if it does break aware if it does cause debris it's capable of damaging other structures if you go to number five this is an air view ofon
Beach um particularly where the old poan RV parks in and a lot of what is trying to transpire is there's there's actual meter boxes all around this property if I'm corrected um I think there's six meters that are around
here so you would have to have six of these stairs um built in a way where number one they're not an attractive nuisance so kids can run up and down them them but more importantly um if the storm does come uh a lot of what happens
down there is you know like this particular storm that just happened it's going to cause more damage to other things if if it breaks away actually it's not held to a standard now if you go to slide number six this is something that across the street um a property
owned by four rivers are you guys on number six yes ma'am if you go to number six this is actually um something that's minimal it's something that is is allowed to be
built this is something that is tolerated as far as if it does break away it doesn't cause any type of damage whatsoever um I think this is the appropriate way to um allow these meters and Breakers to to be stimulated into um
into around the park um where it doesn't create any sort of a nuance and it doesn't create any sort of um debris that could be damaged in any way um if you look at the typical standards for an RD Park you're looking at area where
it's an open area so these are there's no specific rule if you look at any of the thema and I and I sent over the the pamphlet that I sent to All board Commissioners um about a few weeks ago and it's the same exact pamphlet that I sent to you guys today attach where it
literally doesn't go into any specifics if it speaks about RV parts um it speaks about how they have to be moved and elevated and and quite frankly anytime there's any type of everstorm all these RV parts are are are empty anyways they they move all all the trailers so it's
nothing that needs to stay there's a rule specific to mobile homes but um like I said there's no mobile homes on this park um at stay in place everything gets removed so I request I respectfully request that the board to consider
allowing um the meters to stay where they are at ground level um and I'm open to any questions any questions from the board I want it done by Florida building C what I want it
done that's me yes sir understand Mr de yeah would I con if it's not permissible by fraud of billing Cod then I'm with the fraud of billing Cod that's what we live by that's our Bible
so how does that fit in with this how does this fit in with the building V building V if I may respond building stay we're elevating would be because
and and this is a in particular RV parts aren't allowed um to be insured by FEMA anyway RV parks are not allowed by Fe to be what they're not allowed to be insured so when you guys are a part of um and
actually any County in FL is allowed to be is permitted to be allowed to enter a national um it's called NF NFI and basically what that is is that it allows discounts for people that are in flood zones to um apply for insurance for
flood insurance so what is happening is um I'm sorry did I L you again we cut out oh sorry about that so what ends up happening is is that um where you guys leave off I was talking about the the
national so if you apply for the for the insurance um because Taylor County is a part of this national insurance program it offers you a discount so right now Taylor County is is inm clients and their National code is allowing them for a 5% discount every county is different
every county is regulated different fora building code it's it's similarly to what Bobby stated in June Bobby explained that 100 amp would be would feed two met I'm sorry would be to RVS my request is to allow RV parts to do
the same okay now Board of building ter I know Bobby had stated something about you know there's there's a there is a regulation as far as how many meters or I'm sorry how many RVs can be hooked up to one meter like for example like a 200
anp1 I believe for for RB so we would we would uh specify our plans and submit uh according to Florida building code all right yes
ma' Mr chair person and and for Miss Miss contras as well the reference that we made to participation in the National flood insurance program wasn't necessarily to you know as far as the RV
parks participating in the program my only concern if we do not strictly adhere to you know Florida building code NEC um and any other regulation which I I understand um there isn't specific
thema guidance about electrical systems within RV parks our only concern is that if when there will is an audit which there will be after a major disaster if the board grants any variances or if we are not following
Florida building code and any other codes that we fall under that that will May count negatively against us that and so it's not necessarily whether these business owners if they are participating um or eligible for
flooding insurance through this program or not it's more the potential impact to the community rating that we will receive is that related to any of the discussion Council meetings that you've had with other counties that have these
kind of experiences so um as part of our request for Mutual Aid after the storm we did ask the City of Cape Coral to spend some time with us because they had been through who was Ian correct they had
been through in and had a negative experience with their National flood insurance program so I did Reach Out specifically to them for guidance um at Miss contras is urging that you know I checked with some other cities and counties who had had a similar
experience and since we were familiar with them and they had provided guidance to him I reached out to them and they felt like you know the overarching um practice would be that we follow Florida building code
um NEC and ASC 24-14 I believe um which does require elevation of electrical systems now you know there seems to be some questions about um potential damage so obviously
um some of these RV parks were not in compliance prior to the 2022 no excuse me 2022 2202 fled um ordinance flood plane ordinance um but the the Helen hurricane
and the Damage that it caused um has triggered the need to be in compliance so if there were others RV parks that did not have damage they did not lose electricity we would not go to them and say look you you can't have you know you
have to elevate it's the damage that triggers you know the the permitting or the request for elevation Bobby did I say that correctly okay so this situation due to the extent
of the damage from the storm that's what has brought us to this point today yes that's my understanding so if the damage were not that extreme and the utility was safely supplied then this wouldn't
be a consideration not just for this property but for any problem correct whether it be commercial or residential is that fair I believe so so
M you know I looked at that what do they call it the stairs and all of that it's not supposed it's I can understand it being on the house this the when you build a house 18 ft high and then you have the you the
electrical box on the house like the house on the we have right on the ground but when you put it off on the on something like a cand la and it's possible that that box can damage whatever next to it is that what you
trying to do or is that what we want for every RV hooked up down there I'll let Mr Johnson can you answer that question as far as the need for the for the shares so you know it's always
the spender that turns around and says what they're going to do and what they're not going to do the person with the money so the owner of the property is you know you can they talking about they have six services and we've done a little calculation here a couple weeks ago on
what that amp would be on that and amp amp on the number I think it's 38 RV size the ampute on that is just a little less it's right around 500 an when you do the NEC calculations so and I'm not trying to
Cloud the water I'm going to give to a point right here just a second and U so you and where was that you could you couldn't put a 600 amp service in there but but to run that RV part when she's talking about when talking about one RB park it would need a 800 amp service so
and you know so basically you're talking about that's that's a job and what you would do and it's not my money I'm spending so it's their money you would Elevate that at 800 o service and then you would feed you would sub feed all the whole part right there when the
storms come in you know a storm's coming you go up there you cut the main off and then you turn around and when the storm's over you come back and cut your main back on and that's one place only you're not putting five or six of those up where you're putting one up there and that and just like a man builds a house
and when the storm comes the newer houses built since about 2003 since the Florida building code come in they lost their stairs and a mezanine that their houses in place and that's what that's what when you're talking about damage from the storm you're talking about you
want to limit the damage and so one of the main thing FEMA looks at is that limit the damage from the storm storm is going to do damage but if it's a simple putback you know you just you cut your electricity off the storm comes in if it's just high water or if it's wave
action and then when the storm's over you you're in control of what you're doing so but it's but it's the option of the owners if they want to put those in or if they want to go and do it that way you know I'm I'm not I'm not saying that that's the only way you can do it I said
that is the probably the best way to do it can can I say something about that cuz and I and I was all for that when when the St I was like man I would love to have one centralized and that would be it and I didn't care if it went 18 ft in there that would be great well when I
talk to electricians and to redo that to redo that whole Camp what you looking at probably $150,000 to redo all of that a lot of money more I mean we do not have that I mean last year we got tore up I
mean you know to me those stairs if I've got them too and Mr Moody I mean would you want if if it was 3:00 in the morning and that that camper threw a breaker man and and say it's blowing down there at the beach a winter storm
any type of storm it can be blowing 50 mph you never know in Perry they be blowing 10 15 mph up here but at the beach it it's it's getting it down there in the rain and they had to climb those stairs that's a that's unsafe I mean so somebody an elderly person down there
that's got and not everybody yeah most people down there don't need it they need a 100 amp service to run their to run their camper down there but for us I mean we don't we don't make a lot of money down there we're a business we're just a b we're just trying to get back to what we do and I
mean you know my mama went my mom went to her Eternal her Eternal home last night and that's all she cared about was at beach down there getting back her property she's been there 40 years and you know I mean yeah it's tragic that this storm hit and you know I know
there's a lot of stuff that's not up to code down there but I mean man it's a it's a little old C camp ground in this town this this County's hurting we're hurting we need what's people going to come to down there if he can't have if if he can't have a store and gas right
there I mean what why are these people going to build these million dooll homes people are not going to want I mean what we going to do that Coast is going to be a vital part of Taylor County I mean right now we don't have you know do y'all have a lot of Industry wanting to come here I don't know you know I don't
know what the plan is for Taylor County but we love this place and but we can't afford taxes down you know we got to get back in business and right now we're just man we just sitting here you know trying to do it right yeah I think and I'm the sister I
want to say something too I think that if we would have just went in like other people went in and just put our meter cams back the way that they were nobody would have said anything they wouldn't have said anything because you wouldn't have come down to look at it okay and and we didn't we came to the county we
were like what are we supposed to do we came to you guys I feel and this is in my heart I feel like the county should be rallying for us you should rally for us with the state you should rally for us with FEMA you should go in and say these codes don't make sense we don't
want to clutter our Coastline with those stairs okay well in most cases like I said they don't they're not require you know most people don't need 200 400 amp service and you know and and I would like I said I'd love if I could make
enough money one day I would I'd Cent you I'd make it all one I'd redo it all and that's what he wants to do but we have to get there first and we need help from you guys to help us get back in business you know my mom wanted her place back in business she has loved it
she tells everybody go to Perry we have the greatest little town in Perry go to Jared's store he has the greatest little store she would send everybody everywhere but you're not helping us to help her get back to where we need her
to be she's not here anymore she lost her life last night but we're here for her and we want that business to go back up and running but we don't want those stairs when somebody falls off those stairs because they want to go up and take pictures because it's so beautiful or the kids want to go and play who gets
sued we get sued and if we get sued I want to sue you because you put the regulations in you know you put those regulations in you are not rallying for us with the State and with FEMA you know there could be ways to get
around it I do feel that way I feel like as Commissioners you're a part of us that coastline is a part of you guys you should fight for us too you should want it to be beautiful you should want people to want to go down there you should want the beach to be nice you
should want a store down there it's not that way in the keys yeah I me it's not that way in the keys they get flooded all the time if if I may if I may interject um and providers respond Mr Johnson my my my
question is you know yes you want an 800 amp you know to power the whole park and that is the best way I I do agree with you Mr Johnson but you came before the board back in June to allow two RV parks for 100 amps so that's what the code
States right now that's what the variance was approved for back in June of 2024 just a few months ago so if we have 38 RV parks do you want you know and per code I can allow you know I I am allowed to have 100 amp so I'm going to
litter the entire area with 100 amp services to service you know 38 what is that 1500 Services down there the service all of that down there versus what we have right now and I don't know because I'm not
there in person but you know these are questions that I ask myself and these are questions that I want answers to and if if if if it's feasible for us to do it without the stairs and and I'm respectfully asking for the Commissioners to take this into consideration you guys allowed it back
in June why did you allow it back in June did you ask these questions back in June did it matter back in June what is the difference between 100 amp service on the ground which you approved in June and putting a 200 amp service a 300 amp service a 400 surface
now in in December what is the difference there is no difference you know that there's no difference I know that there's no difference and the right fly thing to do is to allow these people to to install the The Meters where they're at okay I remember something like that
100 amp breake was all loud and it wasn't in the air it was down on the ground am I right and that's what you say right there that box that's going to power four units but that's allowed well we don't know that's
allowed it's I think it still looks like it is allowed it was it was part of the code back in in June it it went before the board and Mr Bobby Johnson the building official back in June requested this and it was
approved this was just would be the meeting notes and it was approved 5 to Z so if there is a difference Mr Johnson please tell me what the difference is between the 100 amp that you that you allowed that you requested back in June what's the difference with it
now request that U totally I'm sorry one of points I'm sure the Commissioners remember real plainly that one of the points we emphasized back then is that putting it below is a violation even even that 100 amps is a
violation and we discussed that real good at that meeting back in June we all remember that very plainly and but we felt like the you were talking about a homeowner with their RV on their piece of property and so what we're trying to do
is trying to meet a middle ground what try to do back in but we're talking about the same thing you're talking about is that a 100 amp pole compared to what he's facing with right now what I looked at on his RV park he's pretty
well he's got he's got a 100 amp service already hooked up and a 200 amp service hooked up and a 200 amp service to the house on that one partial am I right 200 to the house 200 so that 200 behind the RV is hot also Okay so so your your your
RV park is I mean you've got a 100 amp and a 200 amp and a 200 amp on the house already that's already hot okay sir yes and then I think you've got two 200 amps on yours as L also right so so so we're not talking about 100% like you was
talking about one IO about six I don't think we're fishing in that pond so you know this a reality I I I and looked at it here a couple weeks ago that that's what I seen you know and uh so so we're talking in reality we're talking about you're talking about three services and
you're talking about two Services is that what we're talking about I have S you have seven Services yes where's your seven services in the campground and the apartment that's there that apartment is different now that apartment either way I wasn't allowed to
pull any permits for any of my properties and well I'll let y'all finish with this part cuz I have my own paperwork to go into yeah the day the day I was down there I looked at and you had an RV there guy living there I did yeah yes you did so and but that was not
because it was permitted from the county it was something that TR County hooked up and they're working on stuff not because the county told me that I could have it there we didn't permit it I I agree yeah so you know was a restoration from a previously
permitted it was I drove by one night and there was street lights on in two of off of two of my poles and that's how I figured out that there power there so what happened was I can sort of explain that a little bit if you'd like sure so after the storm you had TR counted
trying to go around and figure out what was going on and what was got and so those guys made a lot of judgments it's like the RV side up from you I call this beach front is that the name of it RV site there go I okay gol good okay and
they got two 200 amp service poles there and they're side by side and they're both energized and they're both on so and y'all have brought that up at a previous median so what happened was when trica went around and there was no damage that word damage is very important when you're talking about this
there was no damage to his poles at all now his house at that RB site that house is damaged extensively okay so he's never made a permit for that so we don't know what we're going on there but when the Tri County serviceman looked at that service and he made a determination that
there was no damage to that he energized it and so he done the same thing on your 200 and also on your oh your house got an inspection yeah yes I did that so here even I I Ain going to lie I shut you down on your house guy was down there working wasn't he I went by and
told him to stop yeah cuz he was we were just taking off yes destroy but I actually went by and put a stop on him but he run me down on the other side over there and he goes like Bobby this is what we doing and I said hey that's and so he explained to me what we're doing so we turned around and I said hey go ahead and do what you're doing and
we're fine with that so so it's not like a blanket I just want y'all to understand it's not like a blanket that there's 100% that hasn't been done on these two places so but 20 back uh Tri County done that and they turned the his service on on an inspection and then
your then your mom she wanted that RV she wanted to get that RV set her piece of property is separate from if I remember right it's separate from the RV park itself yeah we looked at that when your mom come up and so we issued a separate permit for her to be able to
put that RV back on there that's what the 100 amp service is for that which is you know but then the 200 amp service behind that Tri County decided there was no damage there so they turned it back on so the key word you know and it's very important when you look at that
keyword is damage I you know and so uh don't and so don't try to drag in like because I think there's been misunderstanding about the 50% rule when you're talking about electrical service poles you're talking about damaged and undamaged when you're talking about
structures like he's got he's talking about that's what govern he brought up about the little house he's got that's separate that is you get that's the 50% rule on that that becomes an effect on that it's not it's not the it's not the power poles for the RV so you can't group everything in one thing each one
of them have their own category Mr Johnson may ask a question what serves the purpose I I CU I need to know this what serves the purpose of those meter cams being 17 ft in the air CU I think that's what we have to be 17 ft in the air and we have to build stairs and platforms what
serves the purpose because if we get a big storm like what we just had Jared just put his in $88,000 somebody said five in the paper $8,000 he put his in his is out there in the marsh it didn't it didn't last we have been through storm after storm after storm we go in
there and replace whatever we need in our in our boxes our meter cam that's on us you're asking us to build stairs that are probably $10,000 plus meter can plus all of that that you got to go to the top what good does it do I'm just curious because you
go up there and you turn it off when we turn our meters off everybody takes their units out the only reason why ours were damaged is because we had two houses go into them and one house is over here that went into them it was water wind and houses that wasn't our
fault but that's why our that's why our stuff went down so I'm asking you what difference does it make if it's here or here and I know it's due to the flood insurance and I know you don't want to lose that but like I said before I don't understand why the county won't get with
FEMA in the state and say Hey listen what can we do to change these regulations because these regulations are not suited for us and we need our people to come back and he needs to get back in business we need to get back in business we want to create a beautiful
Coast this Coast is is an unforgotten Coast but it's beautiful and you guys should love it it's a part of Taylor County it's almost like you want to cut us off and not have anything to do with us but we are a part of you Mr chairperson if I could speak to that you
know for everyone's information this topic has has come up multiple times between conversations with the staff State mitigation FEMA Representatives we had um a delegation from FEMA come to our office last last week which is the
post disaster nfip Round Table this topic came up so in order to help us better understand the you know the regulations the community rating nfip FEA rules they have agreed to have hold
a workshop with the board and of course with the public we're looking at the second week in January so we can get past the holidays you know get past the first meeting in January this was discussed again today on a conference call with State
mitigation we haven't forgotten you and and we we're just searching for answers but um I think and I I don't want to push off a potential decision that's not what I'm trying to do but um we are
trying to get these folks in here to help answer these questions these specific questions that are are different in coastal areas and they may be inless I mean I think all of Taylor County has a potential to flood obviously but um we
want to get our businesses back and running we want our people to build back we want everyone to get as many um to to be able to do whatever it is that they can do so we this has come up multiple
times um and again we're shooting for the second week in January to be able to have a discussion with all of these representatives to give us some clarification that would be great I still don't understand what is the reasoning for them to be so high because
whether a storm comes in or not they're going to be flooded and underwater it's the it's not the it's not the state's responsibility to replace them it's not the county it's the owner it's the the Jareds it's ours you know it's us that has to replace them so I don't
understand why they have to be up I'm still trying to get that I understand on a house because the house is way up but I don't understand on a business or an RV park I just I don't get it so the wording is electrical electrical systems equipment
and components is the way that it's worded in the Florida building code and I think that the other guidance mimics th those words um I don't always understand why the rules are what they are um and that's what we're seeking to
understand and I to your point I I understand what you're saying but I'm more concerned about if there is any potential impact to our community rating if if because I think this would be considered a variance and so if there is
a post hurricane or even an annual audit um of our n with our nfip I believe that's one of the questions that we have to answer is if the board has issued any variances now um formal variances are supposed to be
site specific we we learned today that um so I just want to make sure that before we go down that road and that is something we do have a provision for variances in our code of ordinances you know there and I don't
know if Conrad wants to speak to that more to explain the process but there is a provision for variances I just want to make sure we all understand the impact what insurance because like right now there's hardly anybody getting any insurance money I saw Mr down he got a
40 Cent check they sent him 40 Cent his insurance I don't that's I know I'm just saying lot of people a lot of people don't have flood insurance because they can't afford it I can't SCH is running out of money anyway so who's going to come in and clean up
our mess I mean it's not being cleaned I think it's I think it's important to go back to to the specific question that I asked earlier and and it goes back to um Mr Johnson stating that he you know when he appli when he requested you know what
what makes our request different than his request back in June and you know we didn't wait until January when you guys gave the decision you guys gave the decision right then and there knowing that you guys were approving for say aarian so Mr Johnson applied for was an
a variance back in June because all I got was meeting minutes and he requested that two RVs be hooked up with 100 amp meters I don't understand the difference if I hook up four RVs for 200
amp I really don't understand the difference you know this this is classified if you read the if you read the FEA pamplet that I gave each and every one of you this this this type of structure if you want to call it structure is is a Flor it's it's
designed to be sled design Clash one that stipulates building structures that are normally unoccupied and minimal risk to the public and minimal disruption to the community should they damage or F due to flooding Miss Jenny what page was that
on in the bulletin you sent us do you do you I was going to bring it up on the screen sure it's the it's the highlights of as okay 244 okay hold on
okay is it page five explains what okay what these types of buildings everything falls under a class or a code one two three or four and if you refer back to it kind of goes into what it is what type of you
know this is it's a it's it's a let's take each individual work for what it is it's a 200 amp with a meter that's hooked to two 4x4 posts and let's say for the sake of it apply and this is how it's
installed if you go back to page four it it shows you what is allowed what isign class one what design class and it specifies what where it needs to go so going back to I I know I've had a conversation with Mr Johnson several
times I know I've had a conversation with Mr Bishop a few times and one of my main questions that I want to you know that I want to get answered today is you know we're being compared to being Hatchy we're being compared to um the restaurants I understand that these
restaurants again these are huge structures that are having to be elevated I understand and I guess we can all understand why also electrical hey if you're putting the building up there heck yeah put the electrical up there while your eyes the current Cod right now I'm
allowed to go out there and start digging holes and putting 100 amp Services all over there Tri Count's going to hate me but I could put 18 of them all around this park and we wouldn't be having this discussion because it's already approved per your ordinance that you passed back
in June yeah I've been here this I reckon for the last seven eight months I get more confused every time this 100 amp breaker that I understand it was allowable 200 amp at that time was not
allowable now we come and want to put four campers on a 100 amp breaker is that what it is no he said we could do two on a 100 amp breaker so like she's saying you need to put 18 poles and half wires going have the Tri County wires
going to all now why not let's wait until January something when is that January when see second week I mean we've been out of business I'm not making any income we're paying taxes on a piece of property we're just sitting there I mean I mean it's it's sad and I hate it I got to go
watch more boy play a ball games yeah what's Fort Myers doing with all theirs that just happened they got tons of them there the Key West down there they're filled with RV they don't have them up there you don't see them when you go through the keys all the way down to Key West you don't see them up high everywhere I mean there's more down
there than you see anywhere in the State of Florida oper of Transit just like an that's right Aras are on the ground they're not up the extension CT is all it is it's been maybe two three weeks ago Mr lwanda can verify it and I come in on
Monday morning and I asked her a simple question I said uh if somebody has a house that needs repairing it's been to damaged by the hurricane but first thing they have to do is go in and do the 50% rule they
have to list out what it cost to reput it back right so I asked her I said can you tell and I haven't told told you all that but I asked her and she said she told y all that this have been two or three weeks ago I asked for what it's going to cost I know he said well I go
$150,000 but I asked for actual cost I said what I would love to see is that whatever you got to do is everybody everybody we we permitted quite a few people that's remodeling their houses but they all have to sit down and fill
out that 50% rule you know it doesn't matter what the cost is they have to go through the forms and they have to go through the litigation of providing what we need so that we have those forms filled out and everything done so I I've asked this and I've never got any
response or any figures or anything exactly well even so if it's going to cost if it's $150 ,000 I think y'all would like to know that compared to this right here CU what they're basing their whole thing on is the cost of stuff
they're not basing it on nothing but simply this is what it's going to cost me and I don't feel like I want to pay that but I don't know what the cost is I've asked for that cost but I haven't received it so I would think that I would love to see yall ask them to give
us the cost to fix exactly with the two options this is going to be the cost to do exactly what you're saying but we think we can get it for done for this and I think it would give yall I you know outo you know a different look of whatever it would be that way too may I
say something okay so Mr Johnson um so Kate I guess Kate is a part of you know in the industry with you so Kate unfortunately because I don't know Kate but I'm not sure if he's on our side or your side Kade is he's the one that my brother wants to do the work but every
time Kade says he comes to you and ask you if we could do a permit you're like no no no until we're going to figure out what we're going to do Kade said okay Kade said this it's going to cost this somebody said this is going to cost this and unfortunately we were going to get you those costs but 11 days ago we had
to put my mom in the hospital for a procedure that she was supposed to come out of and she didn't make it so we haven't had time to get you those figures however however however we will get you those figures but I don't think that it matters because those stairs are
a nuisance the stairs are a nuisance they don't look good they are going to be a liability believe me a liability and when we get sued because somebody falls off of that I'm going to sue you because of your regulations and I'm just
saying that because it's not fair Miss peon yes ma'am um if you go to the variances U my document that says the variances National flood insurance program I mean just just to just to answer um Mr Johnson's question it literally says
here that financial burden is not we're coming to you and my request to you is because this is this is this is outside the box right this isn't a house this isn't a a gas station this isn't a hotel this isn't a structure that's going to be elevated in the air this is actual
land okay that and and Mr Mr Johnson actually told me the other day that it it doesn't matter and this is his his wording was it doesn't matter if the electrical boxes um it doesn't matter if if water gets in the electrical box it's done it has to be replaced it's either
0% or 100% and Mr Johnson correct me if I'm wrong I don't remember so if I'm sorry I wrote that down you're saying you you said that if an electrical box gets water in it in your
opinion it's 100% damaged it needs to be replaced can I wrot that down did you write that down yes ma'am no this was a phone conversation okay but okay okay regardless of the point what I'm getting at is financial
hardship isn't the problem here the problem here is that you have something that's outside of the box of the regs and the nors there's nothing in this FEMA okay if you look at the it regulates uh recreational vehicles it it regulates houses it regulates Farmland
it regulates it regulates everything in the world it doesn't regulate RBS so it literally says in every anything that you read any pamplet that you read you call their their response is this is the this is what the statue is this is what you're supposed to this
is how you're supposed to abide by it and you know in my opinion I I've called I've called St Pete I called Monroe County down in the keys every this is this is considered what you consider a variance Miss contr are you looking yes
at 2.2 evaluating a flood plane management variants is that what you're referring to where it has the sections of hardship increased risk minimum action um it's page 13 it's um
okay 3.3.4 okay hold on okay under exceptional hardship this isn't a financial hardship this isn't because I I choose not to spend $150,000 I'm not going to do it if that
was the case then we would be applying for a loan that's not that's not what we're getting at what I'm getting at is the fact that this is completely outside of the box of what is regulated by thema this is completely outside of the box it goes back to the Florida building code
you guys allowed it back in June you guys are giving me a hard time now in December I'm reading from Jenny this is Conrad Mr Bishop how are you super I'm reading from you get more bees
with honey I I I got that message Mr Bishop yes sir yes ma'am you can call me Conrad we're not in court reading from section 42987 of our code variances and
appeals okay and I checked with uh Randa earlier today I don't think we have an appeal board but the the board can Bo County Commissioners can be the appeal board okay the appeal board is established by the board of County
Commissioners shall hear in theze requests for appeals and requests for variances from the stri application of this article pursuant to Florida statute 55373 the app board shall hear and decide on requests for appeals and
requests for variances from the strict application of the blood resist construction requirements of the Florida building code this section does not apply to section 3109 of the Florida building code and then it says appeals the appeal board shall hear and decide
appeals when it is alleged there is an error in any requirement decision or determination made by the flood plane administrator the flood plane administrator in our county is the building official okay all right um and
of course if the appeal is denied and of course any agreed person may take it to Circuit Court um now I'm not going to read everything in here but uh I'm going to go through some of the conditions for the issuance of a very variance pursuant
to our code variance shall be issued only upon one submission by the applicant of a showing of good and sufficient cost that the unique characteristics of the size configuration or Topography of the site
limit compliance with any provision of this article or the required elevation standards that may be the case here uh friends and neighbors uh determination by the appeal for that failure to Grant the variance would result in exceptional
hardship due to the physical characteristics of the land that render the lot undevelopable in undevelopable increase cost to satisfy requirements or inconvenience do not constitute a
hardship next the granting of a variance will not result in increased flood Heights additional threats to Public Safety extraordinary public expense nor create nuisances cause fraud on or a victimization of the public or conflict
with existing local laws and ordinances and the variance is the minimum necessary considering the flood Hazard to afford relief receipt of a signed statement by the application that the variance if granted shall be recorded in the office
of the clerk of the court in such a manner that it appears in the chain of title of the effective parcel of land and the reason you that that's notice to the public that there's a variance with respect to the uh whatever you grant as
a variance um if the Varian is for a Vari if the request for aian is to allow construction of the lowest floor of a new building and we're not dealing with a new building As I understood what um
Council has mentioned and what um you has mentioned it's that and it doesn't have anything to do with agricultural structures but if you go on the next page um says is not located in a coastal
high high Hazard area in other words what we call a vzone understand this property is in a vzone am I correct in that is it in a vzone I see people nodding the head I had said yes what's in vzone
so I'm sure y High Hazard okay um going to read it again is not located in a coastal High Hazard Zone Zone V or dasve except for
aquaculture structures dependent on the close proximity to water um complies with the wet flood proofing construction requirements of paragraph a below wet flood proving construction requirements and then I go
down to um mechanical electrical and Utility Equipment including Plumbing fixtures are elevated above the base flood elevation plus one foot and they site ordinance number
201806 7177 at 2018 and the ordinance that we're talking about now is 20222 which was passed on 215 2022 so what to
do of course the thing to do would be number one I would think and this is just me because I've been asked a question so I'm going to answer it as best I can an application uh for a
variants uh should be done I think we've got an oral application here today um the second thing is is the board of county commissioner is going to be the appeal board and then three a consideration of all of those
particular items that I cited in the ordinance so that's pursuant to our ordinance as a practical matter if you think you can meet those um or you think you convinced the uh
Board of County Commissioners to uh Grant the variance then what variance did you want I thought about this a whole lot and believe me I don't know anything about electricity okay I and person who
doesn't know anything about electricity really shouldn't be talking but I'm going to talk a little bit about it if you put a uh a box for lack of a better term and waterproofed it uh such that uh if it flooded it
would not uh leak so to speak and the reason I say that is because as I understand it uh your uh RV park are subject to making those people come and get
their RV and remove it in a certain period of time if in fact there is a storm coming like 24 hours you know you got to have it on Wheels you got to get it out of there there reason I know so much about that is because I represent
horsey Beach okay which they had 100% RVs out and that didn't help the the houses at all or the city hall which got destroyed for the third time second time so that's would be where if I were in
this situation but see I represent the county and I'm just telling y'all what what I research and what I what I read today sounds good Mr sh we have a caller on the line who would like to see okay
do ah have uh the last four numbers are 3110 3110 thank you uh my name is frano um and my work address is 200 East gain Street I work for the office of insurance regulation and I just been kind of listening issue was kind of brought to
my attention and um I was more kind of focused on the FEMA and the nfip and the CRS kind of um issues and we had done a a study recently we commissioned FSU to do a study on the FEMA and the CRS and look back issues which I know it's not
an issue for you all but it's a pretty comprehensive study that might help with your upcoming January meeting um about the program itself and and what you know because I do understand the concerns
about making sure enforcement is um that the community enforces it because we are aware of some some communities that have lost their rating after not enforcing their their flood plane ordinance so um but I was just kind of asked to kind of listen and just kind of maybe um share
that information with you about the study and I'd be happy to share it with the um County manager and and you can share it with maybe everybody that if they'd like to look at it that might be helpful as well yes please do that is thank you very
much any others we still have Miss contras on the line say and is there anyone else that wants to speak to this item sure yes sir all right Jared hunt I Keon Beach
B I took pictures of all of my meter boxes for everyone to look at sir the bottom two have x's on them those are the two that have power you got one for the record as you can see um all my meter
boxes are Still Standing um even the one that's on the apartment that he said that I had to get go through a different procedure um they're not damaged when you can see they're all standing there they did get wet just like everybody else has did the two that have power on
them have not been you know checked out by you guys but everything seems to be working my electrician's gone through all the floats are working all the breakers are working fine no issue there these these are pictures of other
places that have power on ground level at the beach I live at De Beach my house is one of them my power block in my house had to be completely removed from damage but we still got power there they replaced it turned it on inspected it no
problem it has been almost 3 months like Mr said um since we've had any kind of Commerce business anything like that going on um Christmas time is typically a busy time for us down there because people are on vacation for 2 weeks or more um you know typically our
Campground just like theirs is full cuz everybody comes from Georgia they got a week off they're going to take the kids go fishing all that kind of stuff um we don't have that option this year I mean I do have two spots but I've got one guy that is staying there um but he's helping me fix stuff I mean it's not
like he's here just on vacation he comes every year stays the whole winter um he only came down here so that he could help me get things back together we've been digging up sewer lines and stuff like that just replacing fixing anything we can but just like them I've got two
lift stations and three grinder pumps on my property they go through my from the store the campground the apartments all that ties in with different different poles are tied to that so I can I can have a part of my Campground working but if I can't have the sewer working
because it's part powered by this pole over here that is still there um you know I'm not sure what the problem is um like they were talking about earlier how um K keny is my electrician to was working on this situation um we were
told by whenever Mr Bobby came down to inspect my Campground and their campground at the same day um we were both asked by our electrici Bobby didn't tell us this but we were asked at his request to not be on the property which
is really there's no need for that anyway it's my property I pay the taxes for hour to be able to be there and voice my opinion if you're either way but either way we respected that we were not there so that we want this ball to roll we need this to go you know this is this is
holding us all up Mr Kenzie was working on getting the price that he was talking about um where we had it all printed out I've spoken with Mr leanda several times um they said not to necessarily get the price together because he was going to come
down and inspect it personally so not for us to go to the thing and what he told our electrician that he was supposed to tonight bring it all up here and it was going to be presented and the commission was going to vote on whether we could get what going on okay um I spoke to a few Commissioners um didn't
get to talk to everybody but the Commissioners that I talked about didn't know anything about that you know so it's kind of like he's making some assumptions saying that y'all are going to be doing the doing the voting here telling us what we can do now granted he is out of here at the
end of the month from what I understand so it kind of feels like he's trying to push us off to another month you know to make that four month that we've not been able to do and it's not like I can't stop working on my property and my house and get that kind of stuff and go get a job working at Walmart because then I'm
not getting any of my stuff done you know I can't go work 8 hours 9 hours a day somewhere and then still think that I'm going to get my business back up and go because that's not how it works I mean I work every day 7 days a week trying to get something done doing here
there and Yonder um trying to think what else I after he did go down and inspect everything we never heard anything back other than that we were supposed to come here so now that he's saying that he requested that information I was told not to go
any further with that even though it's going to be 40 $50,000 to do all that stuff I don't have it on paper but I can call my electrician and have him get on that back together because he's already done the looking so I think that's you
have the potential to provide the estimate cost yes yes understand the service that you had there's two services that you need to be energized is that oh there's two that are
energized there's seven total that I got so I I have five that need to be I see and that's just for the camp that doesn't even start with what we need at the store um he did tell me this week um or it was into last week that we could
put the gas pump for the tank back down there but it would have to be 11 ft off of the ground um a 35,000 lb empty fuel tank plus 20,000 Gall of fuel 11t in the air is a little
ridiculous um so I don't know what that would take to build that or you know that nobody else is doing and I've been all over the State of Florida on the water and I've never seen a 20,000g fuel tank up in the air and there's marinas everywhere there's gas stations close to
the water you know that's that's extreme and there's got to be some options for business you know down there to have nobody's going to go upstairs 17t to pay for gas buy a candy bar ice cream or anything else you know you can see the
new Marin down there they don't do a whole lot upstairs same things I'd like to say one thing if we could work this out or it didn't affect the flood insurance rating I'm fine with them be bu on the ground if that's fine
but what I'm looking out for is the people that's going to build their houses back and remodel their houses if some of them got them financed and if they insurance they lose their flood insurance the bank is going to call their no you understand what I
understand I live in beach and I have have yall understand if we can do it and not lose our blood blood insurance well my situation is different than them is they don't have anything there all my stuff is there there is nothing TR
County I've talked to several people with TR County and TR County doesn't care they will go back and hook everything that I have up because they've looked at all of it you have the potential for repair yeah absolutely replacement yes I want to say one thing though in ' 93 I lost five houses down
there rental houses I built five back and that storm the other day them five houses are still standing there cuz I buil them all to co and I they lost with M deck you know and docks and what have you but they're
all still there it didn't even one I looked at it didn't I don't own them anymore but when I looked that still had the pictures on the wall it didn't shake the house enough didn't shake the pictures but they were all built the C right in ' 94 well I live across the street from
one of those houses you're talking about um and my box there the house was ripped off the house I mean we literally had to cut it off redo the whole thing transfer switch for the generator all that and it's still on the ground and we got permitted for that but he wouldn't let me pull a permit for my commercial piece
of property though he informed me the other day that if it was under $75,000 that you can pull that on a commercial piece of property once a year um so but it's been it took me 2 and 1 half 3 months to get that information that
I've been sitting around doing other things when it's like okay you know y'all are holding me up in every direction here and I'm trying to do just like this and we're trying to go about this the right direction and not not do things that we shouldn't do to make things happen but it's like do you have
that application in to pull that permit then um I don't have it in yet I was going to wait until the meeting like I said until uh yesterday morning or this morning I thought that he was going to be making a presentation to for yall to vote on that tonight cuz that's what we
were all led to believe okay okay any others I'm all in favor of getting the Fried Chicken station back we miss it V for fried chicken okay then um thank you man' other comments from the public
not would be the pleasure of the board I think I understood Mr Moody you your position was if there's something we can do without jeopardizing the the insurance qualification for all of our residents then certainly we can discuss that maybe
that's a point that could be a part of this proposed workshop with the folks that have said they what what insurance is available for everyone except what what this National program is is it offers discount if we are all participant yes man' I understand the
problem is that if if we if we're on if we're on the spectrum of being outside of this box right we're not a house we're not a gas station we're not a hotel you know we're not a restaurant if we fall outside of that that's why variances are allowed but going back to
the June decision where Mr Moody was the one that motioned it and Miss FAL was the one that seconded and everyone agreed to allow 100 amp service on the ground no one has been able to tell me tonight you know how that was was there a variance
that was applied for that I just got the meeting notes is all I I received so back then and then even in the meeting notes everything that was discussed was about you know this insurance thing Mr Newman said can we get guidance on the implications of our insurance rates the
or states do have two RVs you know we were all worried about this and this is why I came prepared today to discuss that this will not in any way shape or form affects the national or the nfip I even brought documentation to
back it up even that 50% rule you know there's a tool there's a fe there's a there's an actual tool that FEA you know get it's it's like a almost like an access portal where you go in and you document like exactly what was damaged in your home or whatever your business
and it tell you if it qualifies you know you put the square footage and everything and it actually tells you that document that as over under 50% it's not subjective rule it's not you know it's meant to be uh objective to help everyone we just fall outside the box an
RV Park Falls outside the box Mr Johnson back in June understood that in RV RVs fall outside this perimeter thank you ma'am my my feeling was if we would let two RV hooked up on a 100 amp if we done
that in June we do that today we had another 100 app I'm not with that I I don't we we are changing parameters do like to me to go allow 200 amp and then
we have four campus hooked up to four RVs I know what we said back then 100 amp and two RVs what do we have what kind of problem we got with that any of you I'm sorry I can't hear I can't hear what you're saying just have
to take everything that's there and pretty much wipe it out and start over and redo our whole Camp you got to redo all your electrical for the whole parks for everything and then you're going to have try County well you're going have to go in and put all these poles in for it too you're going to have wires going across
everything to feed 100 amp Services because you don't have a bigger panel that feeds everything you know they got six p that go out and feed all the SES but if you got to do 100 amp service you're going to have 18 of them everywhere and go feed just these two
and then you have another one that feed them to and another one that feed them too it just clutters up the land it's more stuff that can get damaged during a storm it's more a lot more money every time a storm comes through to fix it all and there's no sub I mean they don't get
any money from nobody for nothing it's what they save through the years to pay for all this and here they' got three hit three times in a row now they're just trying to get the doors back open to make some Revenue I think I built the first set of stairs at the beach um they were in
front of my store because I needed more power um it was three-phase what we got we build it up it was 15 ft above the ground where it had to be where it was on the property um that is the only meter box and everything that's gone out of all the stuff that's on my
property the one on Ste is gone and there was all the poles were concrete I found some of it I actually have the breaker box and I found the meter um they were across the street just on the edge of the March but the stairs and the rest of it is probably 100 yards across
the street on the county property um so that's kind of where I base off of you know I don't think granted all my poles are in there you know so I think they should be able to be fixed anyways but the stairs is I don't see that as being the option just
because it's so much Dragon that's the only one out of everything that I have that's not there yeah I don't have a problem with the stay I mean I got a problem with st you got a problem with them because you don't want them you know and it's expensive for what you say but the 100 amp the 100 amp breaker was
not 15 ft in that was it no it wasn't it was to but it's still going to have to go through and rewire our whole Campground whenever everything that's in mine is still there all my plugs are there my power Bo are there the breakers
everything so what we got now is we what effect would it have in the entire County on flood insurance we need to know that and if it's okay and it doesn't make a difference wouldn't make a difference to
me either but so what about all the people that already have it on the ground if it's already there and it's working already there then it's supposed to call Grand quity in I think it's what somebody said you know since ready Comm I think his point is is that if there
were electrical services that were not elevated prior to the flood plane ordinance what effect would they have on our on our rating is that was that well I mean like the two that's working now that you know Tri County turned on you I
mean what's the difference in those two being on the ground and the other ones that are spread out in other areas of the campground cuz I mean it's the same stuff that's pictures are all my stuff is still and I took pictures you see how high it was is that guidance that could
be discussed that this potential workshop for well honestly that that was one of our biggest reasons for requesting this Workshop so we could so these these kind of out of the box what what your
attorney is calling out of the box I don't disagree it's been very difficult for us to find specific guidance about electrical systems um you know Standalone power poles you know these kind of obscure questions but that was one of our
biggest reasons for asking for this and unfortunately I mean I wish they could have scheduled it the next day but it wasn't possible um so we asked for the week of the 12th I think if if and I hate to put it off I I understand your
angst um but I think those are the folks who could really give us those answers to the questions and and I've asked several times what what will it do to to our rating and I I don't I think it's it's more when they ask a question have
you issued variance you know any variances and we have to answer that question um that can you know that can catch us in a bad situation and I fully expect when an audit is done every permit you know that was issued will be
perar will be pulled and we'll have to answer to that so we just want we just want to make sure that we give the correct guidance to the board and our citizens what's the pl of this board wait January 12th a motion I make a
motion I'll second we wait to January and if we can work it out we will work it out okay so we got a motion in a second of course and I you when that's confirmed and I'll text um spirit in as well to make sure that y'all know when
those when those meetings are because we want you to be a part of it because we know you have specific questions that you would like answers to okay thank you all for being [Music]
here any other on this top Commissioners okay okay so number 10 is General Business board discuss potential lease of KRA voting house would you like to speak to that we can look into that so a little
bit of background there for folks that may not be familiar there is a a county own site on the Kelly grade uh that has a portable building and a well and electric and it's no longer being utilized as a voting Precinct because
that Precinct has been located at the Athena Baptist Church and I did speak with our supervised elections Miss suin who stated that there is no future plans for that site to be a voting Precinct because of the Athena Baptist Church
being more suitable and having um a a better option for the voters with the access as far as handicap and other options so understanding that and if you
are familiar recall we've talked with our friends at the VFW before they have a need for a site and so um in having a discussion with others and I have talked with Commander Thrift who was going to
go down and take a look at that site um I I wanted to try to come before the board to discuss the potential for a a lease with the BFW if they so see fit I I would say if they're inclined for that
measure that they can meet with our staff counselor to agree to those terms but at this point in time it's it's a portable building on a county own parcel um that's not being fully
utilized given that the Athena Baptist Church now is that buing Precinct so just wanted to bring that before this board I'm fine with that s okay no problem look at it see can to use it try
to work out Le okay would y'all be amable to that Commander sir would you be open to meeting with our staff to try to utilize that side yes it don't give us a home until something better comes open that'll be that'll be fine we just
want a place where we can meet together and I checked out my Quarter Master roe with me and it's suitable you know I also heard from Sheriff padet who spoke on this topic who's in support of that we talked to some about security down in
that area and some of those issues and he was in favor of seeking to to support this effort thinking it would be a way to help our veterans to utilize the site that otherwise is is not in Ed so um
would there be a motion for staff to convene with the BFW and the potential leads for the motion work with us motion and a second all in favor I okay thank you thank you gentlemen thank you thank you I say something real quick
you certainly can please come to the podium I'm oh uh myself and our BFW we would just like to thank yall for yall's continued support and helping us to help our veterans I mean it means a lot you just don't know how much it means to us and
how much is going to mean to our veterans and the County Commissioners are the only one trying to help us so that's a big big feather up for y'all and I'm getting with the wtxl news once we have meet with the staff and
everything get everything squared away and they're going to go do a story on commission so that'll be some good report for y even better report yes okay on this topic than
gentlemen can come together thank you so very much will be great on that side thank you okay thank you thank you'all Miss P have you received any of the emails with the receipts that we discussed from it's unfinished business from the last
meeting I did and I shared those with the clerk excellent a thank you thank you okay item number 10 under the county staff item Bo consider approval of do supplemental agreement number two authorizing
resolution for the First Avenue as Ed by Mr Kenneth Dudley County engineer Mr Dudley is not here tonight but basically this would extended the completion date of the project to January 30th
2026 and there is an authorizing resolution um we are asking the board to approve the agreement and the authorizing resolution a motion to read that resolution motion read title only second
okay Mr it's not in my P oh you got omitted I got omitted somebody hear that put something on back page on being efficient I'll read it real quick yes sir please by
Title First Avenue South sidew project supplemental agreement number two signature authorization okay there motion to about this resolution a second all in favor
I okay is there anything else we need to do with number 10 a in this resolution anyone number 10 B the board cherson we need to we need you to approve the agreement oh I'm sorry now you wa to 10
B for the agreement thank you very much okay would someone please make a motion to approve the agreement Mo fa I got a motion in a second all in favor I is there any other populations okay T B please the board to
consider approval of the fdot supplemental agreement number one and authorizing resolution propos widening resurfacing of McDaniel road is aged by the County engineer uh this would extend the project completion deadline until
December 31st 2025 so it gets us gives us another year I see is there motion resolution I got a motion to read and a second um Mr Bishop by Title by title only please sir yes sir McDaniel Road
widening resurfacing scope project supplemental agreement number one signature authorization is there a motion to adopt motion I got a motion and a second all in
favor is there a motion to approve the agreement or I get in trouble again motion to approve I got a motion in a second all in favor of that number 10 C the board to consider approval of f supplemental agreement and
author authorizing resolution with proposed Ling resurfacing of Cedar Island Road as agenda by the County engineer again this would extend the completion deadline until December 31st 2025
motion commiss and a second from commissioner mood Mr Bish Cedar Island Road widen resurfacing scrap project supplemental agreement number two signature authorization is there a motion to
adopt motion and a second all in favor I I is there a motion to approve the agreement I move I got a motion in second all in favor approving the agreement I number 10 D for to consider approval
of the fdot supplemental agreement number three and authorizing resolution for the proposed winding resurfacing of First Avenue South attended by the County engineer again this would extend the
project completion deadline until December 31st 2025 is there a motion to read that resolution I got a motion in a second Mr Bishop First Avenue South widening resurfacing
scope CP project supplemental agreement number three signature authorization is there a motion to adopt this resolution and a second all in favor I is there a motion to approve this
agreement I second all in favor of approving the agreement I number 11 County Administrator items the board to consider approval of agreement for Bill official Services as amended by m l
pton County Administration so what we have brought to the board is a service agreement for plan review and building inspector services but basically this would be an agreement to provide building official Services um as the need
arises uh we because of the um potential deadline of Mr Johnson's service with the county we did request quotes for hourly rates um from three companies we
received uh two responses and one no response those prices are within the contractual agreement and specifically um there is wording in this agreement that this is only upon request
of the county so in other words um if Mr Johnson if probably when Mr Johnson separates his employment with the county if we have not filled that position I would be able to call the contractor and they would Supply us a building official
normally the next day and they would only Bill us for the actual services that they provide but also if if we find that we don't need a 5 day a week build official um from a contractor we may
need a plans reviewer a plans examiner um we could that would be at a lesser rate we could request that as well so they will tailor um to our needs I so this agreement allows for the flexibility given the demands in the
department yes basically yes and it's only as requested as the department demands that service Avid all absolutely any questions from other Commissioners on the
board questions Mr Bishop do you have a question I do okay is this what did you get the amendment that we did yes okay so if has the language that you requested to change the contract that we presented is that right yes sir okay I
just want to make sure that I was on the beam on that one you didn't get a at it this time yeah it's a good thing okay very good good any no questions from the board members is there a motion to move and a second all
in favor okay number 12 I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas that is that is presenting itself next week I also wanted to remind the Commissioners that ethics training
is scheduled in this room tomorrow beginning at 11:00 so I believe we have commissioner Demps and commissioner Fel and our attorney who are going to that I'm try and learn
something ambitious that's all I okay yes ma'am comments concern from the public for non-agenda items number 13 anyone not hearing any is there anyone on the line sir the line is clear is
there more informational items from Mr DS no more than I wish people of the community will know that it is our job as a Ser how to do and TR to find solution
all our [Music] problems we note honchos and we not here acting in some capacity we should we we all the servant trying to do what we think is right for you and even
ourselves know that we feel your pain with that being said have a Merry Christmas Mr Moody I'm Mr D on that we work everywhere we can try to make people T
the county get what they need but it's just got to be approved and we will work with you and take I feel like that's just what it's going to take
um and far as Christmas Merry Christmas to everybody and I appreciate yes I do agree I know there's lots of questions and concerns regarding U recovery process
I do think um the best options are to seek this type counsel so that we don't make an ill advised decision or set a precedent that's going in the wrong direction that's going to lead to other problems we not trying to take more time
for the sake of taking time but we do want to make the right and the best decision forward for everybody so I would agree and I would also Echo the merry Christmas I did see Santa over the weekend I have to confess he was dnasty
Hatchet and um it was a jolly good time so there's no other information is there a motion to motion second all in favor I very good Merry Christmas
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