take pictures through my phone it's too small everybody has a phone and a microphone and a recorder and everything [Music] [Music] hey
[Music] Yeah breezy [Music] [Music] we'll go ahead and get started everyone want to stand commissioner [Applause] D father in heaven we come again now
thanking you for life health and strength we come blessing your name because your name worthy to be blessed father we come as a servant we come right now Father to try to do the will of the people we thank you for what you have done for us so far
father we pray for this country right now we pray for this county this city and everyone on Mar we thank you for what you're going to do we thank for what you've done thus far and we bless your holy name again now these blessings
and all the blessings we ask in Jesus name amen [Music] amen to the flag of the United States of America stands one nation under God
indivisible and justice for all welcome everyone to our meeting this Monday April 7th 2025 at 6:00 p.m we have a conference line set up number there is 1 1917 900
122 access code 32347 now this is not a toll-free number and you may be subject to long distance charges according to your long distance plan when the chairperson opens the meeting for public comment please follow the below instructions if you wish to
speak please dial star five the moderator will unmute your line it's your turn to speak and notify you by announcing the last four digits of your telephone number please announce your name and address you will be you will be allowed to speak for three minutes any person wishing to address the board
regarding an agenda item be given three minutes for comment a commenter may only speak one time for each agenda item and before we move on to the approval of the agenda there was uh just shifting some items around under general
business for the board uh shifting item 20 the jail operations uh to to start off our general business and then we'll go to item 17 road and then item 16 with the
Hampton Spring uh park property so be 20 17 16 then 18 and 19 everyone okay there motion to approve have a motion to approve the agenda do we have a second
second all in favor move on to our consent item does everyone have a chance to go over consent items if they have any questions discussion thank you Mr bishop i sent um if I want a a letter on number nine
[Applause] yes we'll we'll make those those additions yes sir okay I'm satisfied then okay we have a motion and a second to approve our consent item in favor all
right our bids and public hearing got a couple minutes do we need to wait i'm sorry what number are we on we're going on to under public hearing item 14 we just went through all those items
that fast okay I'm catching up now thank you we just bid the public hearings with 6:05 start time so we do got a couple of minutes we have to wait on that
mr chairperson I can announce the bid committee for item number 14 it will be Melody Cox John Collins with Avcon word Ket and myself all right we're going 14 to receive bids for
a fuel farm at Perry Poly Airport set for this date at 6:05 p.m or as soon after as possible okay so we have one we only received one bid mdm Services Inc out of Florida
total base bid is $899,348 $899,348 how does that compare it's under the It's under the total amount that we have available total cost of
929,500 that that's the estimated total cost all right so this is a public hearing all right anything else any discussion on this side everyone get your big committee members
okay we'll move on to item 15 we got us at 610 on that one so we've got a couple of minutes when he's waiting bishop yes sir [Music] yes I just ask
Go okay all right we'll move on with item 15 the board hold a public hearing set from this date at 6:10 p.m or as soon thereafter as possible to consider the adoption of ordinance pursuant to application
CPA2-01 Miley Holdings KB LLC mr chairperson there is someone from that agency who would like to make a presentation to the board state your name hi good evening my name is Laura Mills Gcher and I am a certified land use planner and I've been
hired by the applicant to help them through this process with the um future land use map amendments and um if we can go to the next slide please this is a series of three parcels that are addressed as Katon Beach on
Beach Road um it's actually I would say to the north and east I'm sorry north and west of what you might call beach proper it is um a total of three acres and it's on Beach Drive and Key Meadows Drive at that intersection and we are requesting a future land use map
amendment from the agriculture rural residential category to the mixeduse rural residential category and if we can go to the next slide please uh this slide will show you uh the site again in the red outline and
some other commercial uses within the area including the Marathon convenience store the sea station that's just less than a half a mile to the north there is an RV um park just directly across the street and then if we go around the curve down towards Katon Beach we have
the Bird Rack Sports Bar and Grill which is another commercial use another non-residential use that's just within a half mile away if we can go to the next slide please so when I when I look at these future land use map amendments I also look at your comprehensive plan to make
sure we don't consistency factors with your plan um one of those is this policy here policy I10.2 which talks about your environmental protection measures uh we did take a look at the national wetlands inventory we looked at the FEMA flood
zones and we looked at your coastal high hazard area boundaries and found that this site is not within any of those categories so there are no wetlands in site there we're outside of the coastal high hazard area and there are no flood zone no special flood zone areas on the
site so this development that will occur eventually as a result of this map amendment will not impact any environmentally sensitive plan you can go to the next slide please so the category as I mentioned we are asking for is the mixeduse rural residential category from the agriculture rural
residential category and this is the uh the intent the purpose within your comprehensive plan for that category which includes those areas that are under undergoing a transition from primarily agriculture to a mixture of uses which we saw previously on the slide that showed the sea store and the
RV park and the restaurant bar um while the remaining area can be stay a mix of commercial and uh agriculture and residential we can go to the next slide please and then another consistency factor we looked at was to um that you
want to maintain the rural character of rural areas by limiting development activities to those areas um and that we are looking at the bas we're looking at the designation of the non-residential use to support some of the services and goods that are needed by the residents
within those areas i would like to add that if we can go to the next slide that your current agricultural rural residential designation does allow for the commercial uses um but it limits those to 5,000 square feet and we're looking for the amendment so we can
build up to 10,000 square feet uh no land use complex will be created uh there are no it's there are several vacant properties adjacent to the site uh and we are following the directive of your comprehensive plan to create a
mixture of uses in the area we did come before your local planning agency last month on March 11th and they recommended by unanimous vote to approve this request to you and with that if you have any questions I will be happy to address
them any questions for the board how many square feet you say we're going to be under 10,000 square feet development of the store yes about 9,100 but you're not using the whole parcel that's correct yes and we will combine
those parcels we've been informed that we need to combine them into one um we're just waiting for the approvals in order to be able to do that it's going to be a straight commercial business yes yes sir mr chairperson I'd also like to point out that they have not submitted their
development application that would be the next step once if this land use amendment is approved then the next step is the uh development application yeah we're teeing that up um we've got most of that ready to submit we're just waiting for this oh yes and I see did you go by
one or management district coming up also for reason planning council yes we were working with them through Bobby on this application and she was helping us through some of the analysis and the advertising requirements mr chair I would um make a motion that
we read this ordinance by title only second motion and a second to read this ordinance by Tyler Roman all in favor an ordinance of Taylor County Florida amending the future land use plan map of
the Taylor County Comprehensive Plan as amended relating to an amendment of 50 or less acres of land pursuant to an application CPA25-01 by the property owner of said acreage under the amendment processes
procedure excuse me established in section 163.31613 through 163.3248 Florida statute as amended providing for changing the land use classification from agricultural rural
residential less than or equal to one dwelling unit per 5 acres to mixed use rural residential less than or equal to one dwelling unit per two acres of certain lands within the unincorporated area of Taylor County Florida providing
servability provide repealing all ordinances in conflict and providing an effective date thank you sir so this is a public hearing we will open it up to the public now for comment anyone want the public
to comment on this i have a question sir if you say your name please oh my name is Con Beasley sorry let me stand up here um that all went by pretty fast so this lady's representing what entity
that's the uh Holdings K LLC is that correct yes the property owner is that Is that a construction firm that's the property owner that's the property owner why does the property owner's name as an LLC that's just how they Not
uncommon and what what sort of a what sort of business is going to be run there or it's going to be commercial applications it'll be a small box retail store i missed the address you mentioned Beach Road is that like
uh like near Adams Beach area or where exactly the corner of Ste Meadows and Beach Drive dead man's crew what is uh if you don't mind me asking what's the what's the name of the business or is it like a private individ
individual business or is it a uh uh like a chain or franchise chain the chain okay so what would the store be specifically what chain of stores is coming so we're a little premature in this discussion because right now we're just asking for the change of the future
use map but um it will be a retail store the general okay so what I'm getting at is this indeed going to become another Dollar General it will be a Dollar General well then how come you guys just aren't transparent about that from the beginning well I can be but that that's not supposed to be a factor of their
decision today okay well but here's the thing about Dollar General there's already five Dollar Generals within I don't know 6 minutes drive from here okay wait a minute ma'am okay i understand katon Beach yes please keon Beach is a 10 15 minute
drive from that location okay the problem I have with another Dollar General coming to this county is that Dollar General typically carries 80 or 90% of Chinese made goods Chinese made merchandise okay we don't need another
store in this county pumping in crap products and taxing and taking dollars vital dollars for our economic vitality away from us that's exactly what's going on with such you know Dollar Generals what are they doing for the community
other than coming in here under the guise of a developer who's going to tell everyone oh there's a new store and and kind of leave out the point oh it's going to be another Dollar General okay so another Dollar General is coming that's going to maybe employ four or
five people tops i I I I feel like if someone would take a a moment to sit down and do the economics or the math on that that's probably a bad situation and a bad decision for the county and I I'll just leave that there thank you
sir anyone else you want All right we will close the public hearing we read our ordinance by title only at this time we'll obtain a motion to approve
motion to approve motion by Commissioner Moody we have a second i was just going when you get to that point it's just going to be a roll call call i second it second by correct all right all in favor so the roll call
vote so Commissioner Faggel no commissioner D yes commissioner English yes commissioner Newman yes commissioner Moody yes [Music] all right we will move on to the next
under general business move number 20 up so we're got down to the board to discuss county jail operations as aended by commission English so yeah this is really just a
followup from some of our budget discussions that we've been having u you know we had requested constitutional officers to you know come back with a reduction of their budgets and you know
I think the we had the We had the uh supervisor of election she come back with 13% clerk is at 6.9 the tax collector was at between
five and 8% and we would ask you uh Mr wiggins if he could kind of give us confirmation on what he can do and uh our property appraiser didn't have anything just really she was protected by the state and said she just keep
looking and then you know the sheriff he had brought back he had kind of a packet with the uh jail operations and somewhere anyway uh the county taking
over the jail operations for $3.3 million is what they got on that that budget you know while you know it's a $3.3 million budget but shifting it over to the county is really
not reducing the overall budget there that's just kind of shifting money from one location to the other so we still if that's what we're doing then I mean I guess for the sheriff I mean we just need to uh the $3.3 million we really
need you guys to identify you know what that three $3.3 million represents and I mean if it's 20 employees whatever it is you know hey salary per employee uh the the insurance benefits the just
everything that breaks it down and if you guys were okay with the you know if we're I mean I guess our transition period would be October 1 is that what I would say that would that would be i'd rather get this done before July cuz if
y'all going to take the jail back over then you going to have to know how to fund it and it has to be funded whether you run it or whether I run it that don't make no difference you can't run that jail without money to operate it i understand why you wind up with yourself in all kind of lawsuits every day every week this has to be funded okay you see
what I'm talking about we ain't trying to beat y'all out of money or nothing we're just trying to operate and I will not turn a budget in i can't operate on period i'm not going to do it well but you can run it cheaper and you can run it better sir than you have at it i think we all know the situation that
we're in and nothing i don't think nothing we'll give you we'll give you an itemizer if you want something itemized we can get you something itemized but I don't want to wait till October 1st and then decide what we're going to do and ain't going to do we need to know before that well I mean that was my next you know question would you be okay with the
administrator maybe working closely with them yes sir anything she wants to do I've always supported her trying to help her so you to kind of understand that budget and and what all you come with that budget as far as the salary we'll be glad to but that still doesn't you
we're going to have to work to see what we can shave off but that still doesn't produce any so that still leaves you guys with a $6 million roughly $6 million budget so we would like to see you guys that includes school resource and everything we have a lot of moving
parts and this this has to be fun you do this right here okay i don't know what it's not my place to tell you what to do it's your place to fun okay i I know we got two points on the village and you know the governor is doing everything he can to get rid of property taxes and if
that comes about then you're going to be capped out don't leave two or $3 million on the table that you're not going to get go ahead and move the million rate get it tapped out bring it on me tell everybody this tell everybody this county Wayne P do this i don't care but
we have got to take care of this county where we going to be next year where we going to be the year after that we're going to be broken and you ain't going to have nothing to work with if we don't get some money coming in get some revenue coming in you blame it on me but you get that done sir i'm not saying we won't have to increase anything but we
going to have we got to wake up and you said the other night quit kicking the can down the roof don't kick the can down the road you can kick it back in the room constitutional law y'all beating on us trying to get our money and I understand you in the Bible we all in the B we did not make George leave this area that's not our fault it's not
your fault but we have to have money to operate yeah I I understand but I think folks showing the tax I'll give you an itemized i give you a law enforcement and I give you a one for the jail i give you one for showing the
taxpayer the reduction in budgets still i don't have no room to cut if I didn't go get grants and have a grant writer we write these grants and get every grant we possibly could get I'd probably back over asking for more money that's why I give y'all money back
every year i have worked diligently every year since I've been elected to give y'all money back and I'm still going to do that but if you cut I ain't going to give you no money back we're going to try to cut 13 positions six off the road six out of You have a fine
director i do if you and your finance director can't work closely to go find money then maybe that's where you would need to stop we we do find we find every grant we possibly can we work if their job wasn't important in
the jail if her job was important on the road it wouldn't be there understand you talking about $1.3 million cut what you're asking me to do that terminated 13 all we got is people all we got is services all we have is services for county we serviced the
county that's all I got okay we still have to show you that we can reduce our budgets i'm going to turn the budget in our first priority is not just going to increase taxes i'm going to turn the
budget in if I have to operate on If you don't approve it that's fine okay you do what you got to do i'm going to do what I got to do i'm going to do what I got to do to take care of this county shady growth and I cannot do it with laying 13 people off okay and we're good you got
something you want to say tell me if I did I would say Thank you very much i can't cut I don't have that to cut but I'm not going to stand up here and say one thing go tell somebody it's not either we can't cut that i think
what you're saying is any kind of adjustment is going to lower your ability to provide that service and we worked hard to keep law enforcement in we work diligently to do that yes sir thank you i do appreciate it and
I have heard from folks down that way so I mean what I want to understand is from your perspective any reductions are going to to come at the sacrifice all we have is people we have people working and if their job wasn't important we wouldn't they wouldn't be there to start
with we have to have We have to try to stay where we're at i don't know what else to tell you i don't have else to do it i can't pull it out of a magic hat and tell you what to do i can't either but I can't i wish I could but I can't i just know we got to
go find $3.3 million and we're just looking at So then what we going to do next year then what we going to do the year after that then what we going to do after balance our budget every year go broke i mean we can't just go to the reserves i mean I heard Let's go to reserve let's go increase the taxpayers i mean that's
just all the wrong directions we just keep kicking the can down the road what else anyone else i'll turn my budget in you do what you got to do but I'm going to do what I got to do thank you sir you are good with the administrator working with you oh yeah yes ma'am 100% all
right thank you all right we'll go to item 17 the board to discuss Mon Road by the county administrator if I may Mr chairperson can I have um Mr walter Ralph come to the podium and
explain what he's been trying to explain to me for some time about Lawrence Railroad thank you for watching [Music] things do change us the uh Lawrence R let me begin by saying Lawrence Rail
Road is not named after my daddy to honor him lawrence Railroad was named that because it's in a subdivision that he created subdivisions prior to 1970 were not man it was not mandated that they be
reported as subdivision plants so far as I can tell the Mars rail road was built if you've read your packet did you get to read it comrade i read some okay did you see your wife's
signature on here but anyway uh it was built by Gary's grandfather Wilbur as the county D6 operator who I think was it was built
when JC Nles was the superintendent or the supervisor out at the county road camp uh so it being built by the county should indicate something the other
thing is is that uh prior to in early days the requirement for building a road was that there be a 40ft rideway designated and that's what was designated out there some of those deeds
overlap uh drastically and and it's a mess but the subdivision itself exists and the Mars Railroad
was built by the county and there has been a fence erected on the Lawrence Railroad that stops me from having access to my
property and I'm asking that the county require the people that directed the fence to remove i had dealt with professional land surveyor
to mappers and surveyors to mount a do y'all have a copy of the survey you got a copy of the [Music] survey if not I've got some extra the survey was completed when we
purchased the property if you read all of your packet I wouldn't say that you know how to read legal i have been blessed to have been trained
by Professor Bishop in college and by my brothers who have all been land surveyors so I promise I'm I'm out i
think but chair I know how to read a description and I know how to do a title search i can't do an abstract for you but I know how to do it and I did that
and it's in that information that I gave you all those all of those properties start at a section line and move 200 ft and then they go on over into the
subdivision the reason for the 200 ft was Mr reggie Wentworth that was Alvin Wentworth that died here a few years back at 145 years old that was his father that deeded the land to the
church that's in that packet that you've got it was a 200 foot strip that went all the way out to Alton Wentworth Road after that the rest of that property was sold to my dad who developed it as a subdivision in
the county to go in and build the road if you go out there and look at it you can see the crown of the road on both sides where it goes in where it's shaped up and you can see fences all in those roads what happens when you
allow your rideways not to be maintained is that you lose them except for people that remember my goal is not to win my goal is to be
right i'm attempting to leave my business in order for my children all I do I don't want them to have to deal with this kind of mess so the Lawrence Railroad as those deeds will indicate is
a public rideway as those deeds will indicate and I mean I don't know you know much you don't do title work too much I don't suppose but deeds generally a lot of deeds start at the center line of a
county road and they describe the property from there what what happened up there is they tried to do meets and bounds surveys and surveys based on
measurements and they combine them and when they combine them they got deed overlaps all through it so the deed that my deed calls for and if you will find it
um in your packet you will see that it calls for a road that was deed from first federal savings and or a property that was deed from first
federal savings and loan to Mark Lee mark Lee deeded the property to us and it says on there that if you start at that section line you go 190
ft to a county road right the next property over starts 45 ft beyond that and it was deed to Mr belts by my
bed so you got 90 ft then you got 130 ft that's where his property starts mr fps that verifies that it's a 45 ft
rideway speaking primarily of the east and west section of the road the other part of it where all the deed overlaps are my request is that you ask them to remove that fence off that right away so
that I can get into the property what you're saying Walder is that fence is on that 45 foot that fence is in the center they put the fence up in the center line of the 45 foot in other words that 45 foot is what the
county should be maintaining not maintaining well they did maintain part of it at one time let me let me that thing that that uh Dale did was states on there that
they never did maintain that portion of that road they maintain the rest of it and I'm not asking you to maintain it i'm just asking you to build on that's right it's just like Steen
Hatchee you got streets all over Steam Hatchee that that you haven't cleared and you haven't accepted maintenance on those rideways you've got rideways all over the county that uh you don't maintain and I don't I don't ask you to
maintain it in other words what you're saying is they do not legally own the property that they built the fence on yes what they did their deed calls for it to start at the center line of the county
road and you can find that in there if you look at it it says that the D starts when it starts at section line and goes 450 ft i think maybe 445 ft then it
moves to the center line of a county road that's where the horn of beginning starts and then from there they go along the west rightway line of the county maintain road all the way out to Alton Wentworth Road which it
will say uh state road 14 because at that time county did not own that road and then it goes along the the rightway line of CR14 or Wentworth road to a
point that's uh can't remember the exact measurement then they pull up off of the south 40 line and they go from that because it's on the ark they pull off of that south
40 line and then they go there then they go back up to 210 ft which is 90 ft plus 20 ft which is the center line of county road then they go back to the
point of beginning the fact that they put the fence up in the center line of the road verifies that they acknowledge that it's a road is there to find a point in the road that's the set as a corner or as a
survey pin to to dictate there's a pin set in the middle of the road wade Cruz my nephew went out he's not a surveyor he's like me he's worked around rivals that are surveyors all his life and he now
calls himself uh Jed Cruz LLC land surveying but he's not a licensed surveyor that person that did that mapping there is a licensed surveyor and in fact he say there that
he knew when that road was built as I but I think the variable there is if there's a set marker doesn't that determine where that point would be for reference sake yes for reputation or
plus or minus is where that particular location is correct it starts at the marker is the way the deed reads it says it starts at 400 i get what it starts and it go at
the center line it starts 120 ft from the section line at the center line of County Road Rideway what's County Road Rideway mean
so if it's at the center line of the county road right away there's 20 foot on that side then there's 20 foot on the other side right was a 45 ft right away 40t 20 and 20 so that would be the math
I learned in Taylor County yes yes sir so so if you put if you put a a reference I mean the road in front of my house starts in the center line it's Marstein Road it's a paved road it
starts in the center line of Marine Road that's that's where my deep I don't know that road i can't put a fence up down the center line of that road if I did you'd
be out there jumping all over me you know if you go out to Leon Water it's just one of them I pulled up because it was a subdivision that I was involved in it wasn't a subdivision originally it was It wasn't a planted
subdivision originally it was a subdivision and he got caught right in the center of when subdivision plats were being required so he had to go back and do a plaque to complete the subdivision but
the deeds start at the center line of the road if you look at the vast majority of the roads in Taylor County or the properties in Taylor County they'll start at the center line of the road that doesn't give us permission or
doesn't give us the ability to go in and put a fenc down the center of it because that starts there walter uh just to I want you to come here if you will just to simplify okay what I think that I understand okay so
and you tell me if I'm wrong but this is looking at Lawrence Railroad yes ma'am and this is all your property right now here's the church yes ma'am and here's a fence that's u not disputable right and
then coming straight from Lawrence Row Road is this county owned strip yes ma'am right here and as you can see I think this is where you're saying that the fence is yes ma'am and and so I just
wanted to make sure that I understand yes ma'am and this just simplifies if anybody else wants to look at that's good at a simplified version you know the the issue that here's where I wound
up here i uh started this about a year ago uh and I talked to a little about it and it got put off and put off and put off and put off and now they went out and erected a fence down the
middle and so if we' have dealt with it then there wouldn't have been a fence there but we we we didn't we we we lost it we dropped the ball but the question that the Wanda had was that well and I think that I don't know if anybody else
is involved with it or not maybe maybe you work on it i don't know but uh there's no deed to it you say well that is true there was no deed made to the county but there was a designated
rightway well under 95 uh.361 it is a road and let me tell you why because under 95361 if the county constructs the road and maintains the road for four continuous years pursuant to that
statute then it becomes a prescriptive easement to the county to the people now the question is what was the width that the county maintained that's the big question here
you're you're absolutely right and now now how do you determine what the width is you know how we do that we go back and we find out who graded it is it a graded road how did they maintain it and
how wide is that okay so if you go look at Alpha Wentworth Road I'll just throw it up there alpha went road just a 100 foot rideway that used to be state road 14 you don't maintain 100 foot no no no no when there is a
question of whether in fact okay whether in fact a road is a public road you go under you know 95 is a statute of limitation statute under Florida law it's 95.361 and I wrote a letter to uh Miss
Lana i sent a copy of it to the clerk and let me read you the letter okay I don't know what and I mentioned some other things in here dear Lwanda after having met with you and read the latest email from Mr walter Ralph and considering that he
is requesting an answer from the county number one notify Mr that you're going to put it on the next agenda to let the board make a decision that's what you're here for today yes you know let's let's get it done right okay two get with me
to prepare what you found the county has done with the road in other words get me the get me the evidence of what the county has done with regard to this to Lawrence Ralph Road okay all right did the county construct
it that's that's a B has the county maintained it and what portion what was the county what was maintained what portion was maintained to all get under 95 through61 how long has the county been maintaining
it maintaining that portion and D is there any evidence of a conveyance to the county at any time and as we said there's not one right mr okay let's prove it okay so so I enclosed a copy
of 95361 to Wanda i also enclosed a copy of 33609 33610 33612 that's for purposes of closing a road okay just to let my
clients know which is the board of county commissioners uh what what I think most respectfully is the issues in your you know in your request that make sense yes sir
yeah I I concede that the county has not maintained this rate this portion portion of this not well wait a All right let me let me borrow Pam's Pam's map
here uh you you saw the survey you're looking at it you see uh there's a deed in that packet that calls from from First Federal Savings
Alone that deeded this property along county uh driveway okay I'm saying okay I understand what you're saying do you agree with that
well probably so but the question is Mr r just to be brutally frank with to prove a point to go like you're going to Tallahassee you're going to Pensacola to come back to Tallahassee it's what you're doing here okay you're
you're proving it in the abstract or in the opposite is what you're doing that's what I had to do and I don't know that that's the way to do it okay well and and I'm being brutally brutally but this this is uh this is what's what's
happened out there when this road was constructed it was straight it went straight in 90° over and come straight out well the motorgrade operators have started making a U out of
it and in their so doing they have started grading over into our property and they've started cutting into my concrete driveway that comes out so the deed to this property
here and the deed to this property here leaves a 40ft strip that is not deed and it's referred to in every one of those deeds as a county rightway
the deeds are establishes the 45 foot does it say it's a 40 40 foot pardon 40 foot right away and the deeds does it say Does it say No it does not it says It says that it's a it this property
deed right here says it's along a 40 foot it's along a county rideway this deed here is it leaves a 40 foot gap in what I'm tell okay so now I'm sure you'll remember cuz your mind is a lot sharper
than mine cuz you're a lot younger than me when I was on this mission prior uh we had an issue come up with a road and they said it wasn't road and the minutes will reflect this you go back i pulled it up and looked at it the other
day is that the one where the guy from California did a road to the county and we never accepted it no sir okay no sir this happened to be Do you remember what I'm talking about no sir okay but do you remember do you remember
when we had a request from uh Jim Whitten well he asked me why wasn't he maintaining his road so I asked the road department they said "Well it's not a road not a county road." I said "Well it used to be cuz
there was a gap in my service." I said "Well it used to be a county." What happened so we had a board meeting and we were informed that all of the county road department records had been lost i remember that you remember that right we got Richard Sheffield to
go make the list it was actually It was actually Andy richard was uh not there richard started it though well he may have started it so Andy went out and he identified all these roads two old men trying to remember stuff this is what's happening
right now well you know what I found out is usually whenever you've got an issue that concerns you you'll get more interested in it i've done a lot of digging in really i have i've done a lot of research on it but um they lost all the records to the
county road used to be a fell out there by the name of Na'vi that kept the records he was very meticulous every load of lime rock went out every load of dirt that went out every gallon of gas was burned he kept up it but he retired and some more folks
took over out but during the time when I was out all of the county road department records got lost county Road Department records would identify that in fact um I've got
um a professional surveyor and mapper are looking for those former records that showed this road on it but that one there that you're looking at there that was in 1998 98 you know that goes back all the way back to 1998 that was before there was
even an issue with it that shows that pretty commissioner got a question okay so Walter uh do you plan to do anything with this property yes ma'am i I intend to try to build two houses on that
property on on your on your part of that you're going to build two parts the part that they've got me fenced off from yes ma'am okay so you actually then you need that open so you're going to build what you say two houses yes ma'am and you
need access to that and of course two houses would bring in abalone taxes what we really really need well my I have a different purpose in it i want to do it for my grandchildren and maybe they want to live in them or
or maybe maybe they'll just run them out i don't know what they do they'll probably run them out they won't ever be covered in our homestead those like moving forward so what do we need to do to verify this i know uh Mr r brought his
verification but we're not going to just go ask someone level verify ourselves well the problem that we have in this is this is this number one there's no deed
okay we got an agreement on that we need to know when the road was constructed did the county construct it and what width have they maintained it
to proceed under 95 361 so now let's go a little bit further say for instance that county did construct it they did maintain it for four continuous years
and the width is whatever the width is is this fence on that property that's in that is in violation of our ordinance say that again it's in
violation of the ordinance of our ordinance yeah you can't put a fence up on county right right well there's one of two things I'd like to ask you to do i'd like to ask you to ask them to remove the fence or I'd like
for you to give me a written letter that saying that you don't claim that part you don't claim that right away that's Give me one of the two i give you an option give me a give me a letter but
before I would write that letter Yes sir i would have my questions answered by county staff with respect to that are you following me Lana yes sir and I think I can answer most of the questions i can go back
to the um the roads of Taylor County that was approved by the board in July of 1999 and Lawrence Road is listed as a county maintained road with a width of 18 ft now um we had our public works
department go out and check that road and mark it every 500 ft and those measurements come in closer to 24 25 ft so so it's it's not the the and it's
does not include the area according to our public works director where the fence is correct Mr ralph that That's outside of the area that we maintain it's outside of the area that you Yes sir why because there's a fence here oh wait
wait wait wait a minute did I have Didn't y'all tell me that you had a request not to maintain that road so no I think Yeah you you told me we sat right there in your office and the road director said "Oh but that was Andy
Mloud i I didn't I didn't do I said that requires more action for you to stop maintaining the road well if you stop maintaining the road what do you think's going to happen it's going to grow in if a man puts a fence up on that
road motor grader can't get there to grade it it's the superintendent's job or the road i don't know what they'll call it now but it's his job to when somebody puts a fence up there to go in there and have him remove it when did they put the fence up
uh I don't know i see 1967 i see Mr law De Magnet you know them no yeah I know every one of them l He's the one that created subdivision okay
soith he probably do I see names tax collector he's the one he's the one that wrote those screwed up descriptions if you want to him and Ben Lyn I think has just been put up is that right
yeah just got put up but there there is a fence there is a fence there within the crown of the road you know roads roads have crowns And there is a fence that's been put up inside that crown it's a it's
a road it's a dirt road okay but a dirt you know it's it's got a crown you know you can see the crown if you go look at it you can see the crown of the road and the fence has been set up on the road not outside the crown and therefore it is now where the
graders can't grade it or can't maintain it i mean they would at least mow the shoulders wouldn't they so on one end of it they come out and they mow the
shoulders you know because there's no fence there but when they get to the fence they have to pull their boards in and go around the fence okay did y'all sell a man of property can you talk about I suppose
it's a man owner property my dad sold the property to this particular people yeah this Johnson yeah Mr johnson yeah moving forward we want to go and verify these items and the only way you can do it is to
hire an get an abstract on that's the only way you want to hire get an abstract done on it i I'm willing to say let's go for it you know y'all get an abstract on it you can verify who or what or how mr walter don't we need a don't we need a title title search as
well that's that is an title search and abstract the same thing okay well then my question is do we we would need a survey and a title search right you would have to get a survey and you would have No you wouldn't have to get a survey i don't think I don't know
probably know if you can get a tile search just off of the deeds once you get the who owns what then you can go out and get a survey made to verify where the actual rideway
really is so is that the will of the board is move forward advis staff to move forward with title search on this property i have something to say before you do go ahead can I approach it can I approach it yeah if you got something come on
absolutely my name is Jesse James Mess i live down there on 849 um I'm in the midst of all this that you're talking about here tonight as a member of the church you speak up please as a member of the
church um we had a number of issues with uh Walter we had a situation last year where we didn't know what was going on he was out there just barely in behind our church
um there's been no problems or anything else for years and years that church has been sitting there and he started clearing those the pastor called me asked me to go down and see if I could figure out what was going on well I'll tell you what was going on he
was out there clearing land on on church property there's trees been there for this wooded area it's probably been there 50 60 years i don't know all this jargon that's going on about a road but there is no maintenance in the in the middle of a woods full of trees
that are 50 60 years old a church has been sitting there for about 60 years there's no road there i doubt there's ever been a road there now after you know Mr ralph here turned
around tried to run my wife over with a bulldozer um and we got photographs of that too so yeah he saw her filming because the pastor was in the hospital his wife did surgery and she asked me to go down so we took pictures mr row everything
was doing tearing all the trees up behind the church um after he tried to run her over we had a confrontation didn't call the law at that time but u we decided we're going to
have a survey done the church did that was a church body and church order survey actually one of his relatives come in there he surveyed the property certified
it and we used that survey for a fence mr allen himself said fences make for good neighbors and since he's trying to run us over bulldozer stuff I figured it might be a helpful thing to have a fence there so I presented this to the church the church agreed we hired a contractor
to come out and put fence in the meantime he's planting pine trees on church's property i didn't know you could plant pine trees on other people's property or on county roads i didn't know that at all but apparently Mr crow
thinks that's a okay thing to go forward and do um we went ahead and erected the fence i put inside the surveys that we had done this past year and in the midst of doing this uh
Mr al got so nasty we had to trespass him i didn't the pastor of the church trespassing and had had to call the law two times the day of the cont we set the fence put inside the
property line as surveyed our survey shows no roadway there there's no reasonable human being that would call that a roadway i don't know what he's talking about needing it for for access to his property he's got Walker Road which is a horseshoe road it
goes all the way around his property there so I'm not sure exactly what he's talking about there either a lot of confusion of course we know he's not a very truthful man because uh there's a record on that he accused my wife of
pulling a gun on him the day he's not a very nice fell I'll tell you that but you're Can I ask a question you're stating that your fence was erected per monuments that were placed by a licensed surveyor that's correct i
see that's correct actually I wasn't even expecting to talk to y'all about this tonight i I didn't bring a survey i've got they got the survey at the church i've got pictures of it i'm probably going to look at your your fencing is inside of the survey area on
the depicted church property church property off the property line that was um give me a second we're under the seal of uh Stephen Steen McMillan I think is is
JW Cruz LLC prepared by JJ Cruz JW Cruz LLC and has a seal on there from Stephen Miller on the survey he's the last survey record mr according to
Walter Miller anyway wait thank you wade was not a licensed surveyor now I don't know he's working for a licensed surveyor i'm not sure exactly how this stuff works but when you pay somebody to do a survey and they give you a survey with a shield you think you want to trust it pretty
good as a legal document that was a survey just provided to the church that wasn't filed with courthouse or anybody of that magnitude they don't file surveys at the court i see but there's a license on your documentation i'm sorry
there's a license surveyor seal on your Absolutely i produce that yes I see yes that there's a license survey seal on this survey that we use and that survey doesn't show any road it shows a 20ft section on the outside of the church
property that's called unknown parcel i don't know what that means maybe that one time that maybe the county was planning something there i don't know so in the legal description of your property you have no reference to the county roadway absolutely not other than Walter Brow Road which is the horseshoe
road that the county currently maintains that that brings him into his own property anytime he wants he can drive in in and out of his property through two different directions and the entire horseshoe and none of that's blocked off right none of it's blocked off no sir if you were there today has
part of that road marked off at the end of the uh you drive up to the west port never blocked up he drives straight up to a fence don't you guys right we have never blocked
Railroad like I say he he sat there and lied to the deputy that was there that day if you want to pull the the body cams of that I'm sure I'm your wife he had to tell her to put the gun up of course we had a gun but nobody ever pointed a gun at this man i didn't
pointed it at We had five witnesses that attested to that i said she pointed it at me which is a lie just address the board yes sir okay I'll address you sir my question is Mr messik are you referring to Lawrence Ral Road not
Walter okay so Lawrence R this is Lawrence Ral Road right here what you're And this is Mr ral's property and I think this must this is the church yes correct correct okay okay just for everyone's
information there this is the prescriptive easement you see the the line that's the prescriptive easement that the county maintains which is more yes sir that's
and that fence is only put you see where the dog leg is there on property line that where it joins his that fence is running from that corner of that property line to the to the inside corner and back to the back of the property and a foot inside the property
line as we had surveyed and as you can see in your own photograph does that look like a road to you Mr as as most of us know that's been here a long time the county has had situations
and there's one in Shady Grove there's been several in in Hatchet but the one in Shady Grove that I remember comment I know you will remember this between man road and 14 of man road right behind the
community center was somewhere between man road and 14 there was a strip of property through there that uh and you couldn't tell that county owned it was grown up but it did
belong to the county and remember we we resolved that issue so just because property has not been graded and maintained does not mean that it does not belong to the county because we've seen this quite a few times where it's
not maintained but it still belongs to the county now I'm not saying whether this road belongs to the county or not i I think we need to do a title search clear this thing up and then go on about our business let's go keep uh with this stuff right here let's just let's move
on let's get a title hang on just a minute when I get through you but what I think that we need to do is is move forward and let's get a a title search and then let's clear it up and see see where we stand in terms of this right
now you can speak i think this is a legal matter that goes before a judge rather than sitting here before this this board um want to get general about this thing i really do also I want to throw this out there to think that it's time for the county to get out of the
real estate business all the time you you obtain the land you use and use land and that's it if you have land excess you need you need to dispose of it or another now not necessarily yes necessarily
i do not want my government in the landscape for uh business real estate business we have realtors for that order we talked about what I wrote obviously when we got discrepancies here so even going to a judge guess what they're going to come back and do a
title search they're going to do the same they're going to do a title of search so we do we we had a deed we had a deed checked and by the uh the property appraisal office we had a gentleman there check the legal descriptions of our deed right because
we had to get had to get the deeds settled the deed was never filed in the courthouse when the property was paid off by the church but we had receipts showing it was paid off by the church unfortunately the people that sold it to the church back in the 90s they they
passed away so we couldn't count on them to do anything but the deed is there we had the the uh the agreement with those people for purchase of the property the purchase was made receipts were produced everything is up and done the deed was
taken care of and and the legal description was was double checked by the property uh appraisers office for us and that was before the survey survey just supports everything else we had
already done uh I don't know why Walter decided he didn't even talk to the church you know all this could have been settled down a lot easier there's no county road there i'm telling you that right now you can look up there there's no county road when you had your outstanding um loan I guess against the
property was there a title search done at that point i don't know that that a title search was done per se i mean we went back to the original agreement of the uh sale of the house i'm sure there's a title search done during the sale did you finance it if you finance it
should have had a title you know the abstract company that may have done time I I'd have to look at it and see I'm not sure I know that I know that we had issues with the deed being uh registered in the courthouse after we found out all these 50 being mowed down and and
members of the church being mowed down with the bulldozers and that sort of thing after that all happened we took action and we started doing something about it and I don't know about title search I don't I don't think one official title search paid this I'm not sure there was one made at the time that
the property was sold to the church wouldn't that depict rights away or language or that kind of description or an owner of that practice
i would think that um that if they borrowed money okay the uh money institution would require a survey and require title insurance yes sir um to show
that the church owned the property you know uh and I'm sure that not sure but I'm pretty sure that the that your church has that title uh policy and also
a copy of the mortgage and also a copy of the survey when the church purchased the property now whether it's still there or not you know I don't know this is old news old news okay that's old news
well the issue more than let's just say hypothetically this is just hypothetically Walter okay say hypothetically that there's not a Walter there's not a road just hypothetically then the issue is
probably between you and the church on the other hand hypothetically if there is a road which our records show that there is because it's on the list okay and you can see the
list Miss Lana's got the list when in fact that was done then of course the county may be involved otherwise county shouldn't be involved in this situation well if that be the case sir I want to request you know respectfully that this
board consider rescending that easement tonight well we can't do that tonight there's a procedure of closing a road that uh I've listed the statutes involved in that in my letter that I
just read just a few minutes ago it's 336.0910 09 10 and 12 it's in my head uh because that's how we close a road or abandon a road sir you just don't do it let's move forward with that process
well may I finish sir yes sir okay well a petition has to be filed to do that and it has to be a public hearing and the the public can come in and talk about it just like you're doing today uh to determine whether in fact the uh
county is going to hypothetically again to abandon this quote unquote road and of course there people that come in and say no we don't want it abandoned and there's people saying it was and then it would be up to the county you follow me well looking at the
picture you can see there's no road there well and so you know so there's no physical road there i'm saying that you know you might have a legal something that went back 50 years or 60 years ago that they were thinking about getting a road at one time and decided to get in the real estate business to do that and
and uh and here we are but there has not been a road there there's no road there that it had to it would have to run through the church i mean there's no road there you look at the dog leg there all wood it's all heavy woods these are mature trees of course there are
defenses to that uh that you're saying that there's not a road there there's there's certain defenses that can be brought forth if it ends up in court to your favor hypothetically again but I'm not going to get into all
of that uh right now i I'm operating with common sense on this deal i mean I know there's a lot of legal stuff that you can throw around and you can you can go back into but I feel like that the that this board should be able to move on something if it is if it even just
recommends that you go and and and look into whatever it takes to get a public hearing just to get this piece of woods that the church owns well uh released to the church if the county is holding well let me tell you how that works and we've
got to y'all probably got to finish this all right if the if the if the road uh is abandoned and also we have the public hearing and they close the road what happens is it goes to the adjoining land
owners up to the middle of the road okay so you get into another issue there well according to Mr route the imaginary road uh our pass is in the middle of this so we're good well
okay so uh we need to order a title search is that what we need to do i think so and uh uh I mean we need got have you got to have a legal description to order a title search you understand what I'm saying on
that i think that that should be done and I'd love to see your survey i bring it to you no problem okay i can show you pictures of it now if you want to look at it no I don't want to look at the phone and like that i understand i'm old i'd love to see your survey yes and
I can bring it in to you i mean is there a place I can bring it to the county office no you can bring it to 411 North Washington i'll do a title search on this property we have a motion to do a title search um hold on quick question do we
want a survey and a title search or just a title search because I don't know that we have a legal description right Conrad do we need a survey not that I know of do we have a legal description of the quote unquote road i got one and I'll change my motion to let's order
a title search and a survey on this road and and I will need funds to accomplish that maybe I I don't think it would be over $2,000 for all of it because the title search may be complicated and may take a little more to complete but
survey needs to be done first right but it's got a motion to obtain a survey and a title survey yes and I'll only need to transfer from um reserves or
take the money from we got a motion on the table go ahead Mr d just a clarification are you the title search footprint is going to be the church property because when you do a title search you're going to wind up doing one for a
a particular parcel that was for the roadway question roadway doesn't have a deed but that's I think why you're wanting a survey and the title service for that area of property but unless unless I'm misunderstanding Miss
is for the roadway itself not the church's property oh just for that but we think we think that we we're saying that we have a roadway so we we need a title search and a survey just to um so
we can move on with this said "I hate I hate for us to have to use taxpayers money to do this but obviously there's not going to be any breath of illusion to this." So we have no choice but to to do this so you have unfortunately what
the survey will do establish the property line on R's property and the church's property and if it leaves a gap in there that's the county's problem there you go that's what we're trying to Well well my survey does show that gap
all right my survey does in fact show the 20 foot gap where it's actually on his side of the property line and we had a survey done i'm sorry we had a survey done that property line uh was was true to our
property that we ran that we ran the fence on 20 ft over to his side of that mr chair I called for the question i was just asking clarification commissioner soon when we're done talking I think when
we're done speaking we will I have called for the question and I think that I have a right to do that asked to speak and we're going to let him speak correct can a commissioner call for the question at any time and all conversations stop at that time is that correct there you go
[Music] all I wanted to know was if the proper reference for the title search is it the church property where we're talking about the western side of Lawrence Ral Road or are you talking about the parcel
immediately to the east of it I think which is owned by Mr ralph because we have looked at these deeds property appraisers looked at these deeds and we don't see any issues with respect to what's being alleged today i mean it's been a year ago if you have a survey
that you are willing to provide and you are willing to go back and see if there is a title search that you can forward to Conrad and staff we will be happy to sit down with the property appraisers office david Goodman is very skilled at this effort i draft legal descriptions
routinely it is not something that we can't sit down with the deed and draw a line i I too would love to see something happen without taxpayer money i really would fine fine yeah that sounds good but withdraw your
motion you want your motion i'll draw my motion may I speak uh again because there's some allegations been made that I would like to speak to one thing he he said I tried his wife to do i was going to try to clear his
land mr we're not going We don't We're not back y'all can do well I just I just want to clarify that that I was running you like All right all right all right okay conrad you uh asked a question was
there a tile search done no sir okay and if you looked at if if y'all looked at what was in the package you would have seen that the property was sold under a contract for deed there was never no mortgage involved in it not a church that's what you're
talking about church okay along with that the contract for deed is sort of like a mortgage though right it is but it doesn't didn't require title insurance and it didn't require that's why we do them because we don't want to pay lawyers and title companies i don't
believe in lawyers title companies and all that stuff but anyway but anyway but but thank you i appreciate that well it just adds some expense to it but and surveyors too i don't believe in surveys i believe y'all would get along
with that one but I I do know how to read a description i know how to do but there was not now address Mr i'm glad you got that up there because I know David Goodman has been helping
them against practical stuff he he's been doing so I didn't know this and I just realized that David is biased in what he's doing and I just found out and I want you to look at that property that's designated as the church property
and you see where that property line is on the east side there do you see it running through that woman's house do you see that does the church own that property and that woman's house no you know why
because that is not an accurate description of the property and they tell you on there if you look this is not a survey now if you looked in your packet which apparently nobody has you would have seen a I looked at it and
I tried to study and it's about 20 names in that okay all right go go go go go go look go look at the one from R E Wentworth to the church and you will see that anyone's using that photo there as a as a well
description I I want to make a point here please and I want to do this for Mr mercy in the church I want to back up when I started clearing that property I talked to Mr hall and I talked to the caretaker there
and they told me where they thought the property line was most of what I had done was storm damage and you can look at the top of the trees and you can see where the tornado rode the top of the trees at but that being
said the original deed to the church was 200 foot from the section line south went road if you look at the deed on the property phasers map as they're using it
does not include that parcel it only includes the second parcel the second parcel scroll it down just a little bit can if you can other way oh sorry yeah right there the second
parcel goes down that county road well you see where the county road is the description calls for it to go down the west side of the county road well that does everything over this way
so then it goes to some distance from that south north south 40 line on the left go back over this way this way okay it
comes down the road goes up and wetworth road then it references the 40 line going north and south and goes this way so many feet which would put it just to the right of
that line that they've got drawn there okay now that's what the proper praiser has on the uh on the church's deed but there's two
deeds the one deed from Mr wentworth and then another deed from Morgan and EPS and whoever else but guess who it goes back to it goes back to my daddy and if there is a gap left
there that does not belong to the county guess who it belongs to it belongs to his heirs i will have the property either way so you can abandon it you can do what you want to with it but the
property original deed was deed from my daddy to Mr morgan to uh Mr smith and it all left the 40ft gap in there but the deed from Wentworth to my
daddy did not have the 40ft gap in it so do it either way you want to i don't want to mess up with the church i I I asked Mr hall to let's settle this out of court like Christian people were settled in court if we couldn't agree on
it and not have no debates about it i went out there to the property and he come running out there with his wife you're trespassing you're trespassing we got a trespass warning against you we got a trespass i I don't know nothing about it but if you don't want me on the property I'll
leave i will and I I'm glad to i didn't want to be there i didn't want to be there so put it forward i think we have a plan for you guys all you guys all to work with staff well but he says he's going to provide you with a survey and
they may have uh Wade works under that man's license okay and you know and he may have a survey but there again that survey is going to start at the center line of a county
rideway well we'll let Mr dudley and staff determine this it starts at the center line of the county rideway they don't okay we'll let them determine that and then we'll ask the board back to the board okay how long do you think this will take i need to let my
contractors know i don't think I can have it by the next meeting because that's only 15 days i I got to have the agenda ready in a week will you accept the fact that the county next meeting on the 22nd will you will you accept the fact that
the county bill will raise i'm not accepting anything at the moment no I'm just asking would you I'm telling you i don't know i'm not accepting anything at the moment but there again and I'm sorry Mr mussy but that's the way it is if it doesn't belong to the church it will belong to
me because it's not ever been deed all right Mr r i know you feel that way sir but you the next two left shoes we're going to item 16 the board consider approval of parcel of Hampton Springs
Park agenda by the county administrator commissioners at the last meeting where we discussed Hampton Springs the potential sale of a par of a portion of Hampton Springs Park it was um discussed during the meeting that this parcel
should be 6 acres um so in your packets there is a map that shows the potential dimensions of the parcel you may wish to to sell i did not want to move forward
with a survey um nor an appraisal until there was you know we were absolutely clear about the potential margins of that six acres you just need an approval on this uh that everyone's looking at this you just need approval on
this project here yes okay before you move forward I want to state again that I'm opposed to selling this property and the reason is because I feel like that this entire parcel is
part of our history in Taylor County i don't see how you can say that a portion is part of our history and and another portion is not but if we do move forward with this uh proposed sale um I think
that some things need to happen just like she said I think that we need an appraisal i think we need a survey i think we need a title search and then when that's complete I think that uh to be fair that
we should offer the land own dollars on either side the first refusal we did that at King Beach when we sold property there we offered the adjoining property owners uh the first
refusal and then and Mr mattingley may may be one of those there may be others also and then I think that uh we should open up put it out for bids for anybody to
potentially buy this property we got to do one or the other say again i think we got to do one or the other i mean I think it's got to go out for bids if we're going to do it you're not with this right so and Conrad can help me so if you follow
12535 if the parcel is of an insufficient shape or size for a building permit and I believe there's a value associated as well $15,000 then you can offer it to adjoining property owners so when when the board sold the
two parcels at Katon Beach one of them was offered to there was only one um adjoining land owner because the other side was the canal and so the smaller parcel was offered to the adjoining land
owner and he um he made a bid on it and the board accepted that but the parcel across the road on Marina Road that you could have built a house on according to our building official so that went out to bid that was a more formal process
that okay that he is an adjacent land owner on the north side of that property mr madly is I I said he probably is so there's probably other people that are adjacent to it also somebody owns property around it
you got a road that county road on that side and then on the south side of it the next day on will be four rivers yeah well they're property owner just like you know anybody else i think that's dealt with in the size and value
of this piece correct so that it really is if it's determined by the appraisal it would be offered for auction or for bid not to the adjacent home size i believe so yes okay one other question Mr
chairman in this drawing it looks like there's a small parcel inside is this correct i mean I don't see that here that's the wrong map so the red the parcel that is in the map yes that's marked in red is six acres so there's
not a small parcel inside of I think that's just where the cursor landed i think so yes i just want to make sure that this is a contiguous 5.9 i just want to be understand one piece i see and it is obviously roadfront so there
would be entry into that parcel if the board moves forward with the sale that's good i'll make a motion to let's go forward with So if we did this then if we done this then I guess we if
we done a appraisal would the board need to set a minimum i believe that that's what we did last time and I think um I I think we've learned to go ahead and set a minimum
right i understand i don't I don't think we would want to set ourselves up to have to somewhat bring a low bid in have to reject it it just delays the process yes learn our lesson on that one we learned our lesson on that one yeah
the same thing as writer refusal sorry yeah you always I said the same thing as right of refusal anytime you sell anything the board can reject the bid yes someone from the public
if you will just state your name and address good evening my name is Rhonda Smith i thank you for allowing me to speak to you this afternoon in reference to the Hampton Springs and myself i want to start off by briefly giving you my
heart connection to this land i was born in Taylor County raised here in Taylor County raised my daughter and who now is raised in her family here i am very proud of Taylor County and of our history although this site did not look
the way it does today I grew up visiting the Salt Water Springs i would try to imagine what it looked like and wish I could go back in time to visit it's hard to imagine something so grand existing here in little old Taylor County but the healing properties of the
silver brain issue was a gift from God mr hampton was told by a local Indian woman that the spring would heal his wife's ailments which they did i suffered from arthritis from my early teens and when I read the healing
properties of sulfur spring water on arthritis I spent many a day soaking my feet in that water believe you me or not it worked bapt springs hotel is our history
which I am extremely proud of as a Taylor County resident i cherish it preserve it and will do whatever it takes to protect it with that being said all property owned by the county in this county belongs to the citizens of Taylor County
and no one else and as we as a citizens and res residents of Taylor County should be able to vote if any of that land is to be sold is ours each of you were elected on the
trust that you would do right by us our interests our land what four of you are proposing without our inputs is not right or in our best interest it's not yours to decide let the residents of Taylor
County the ones who really own Hampton Springs Hotel land decide what happens let us vote therefore I'm requesting today the postponement of the approval of this land sale that happens hotel
bear with me because it's a very I emailed each of you can I give her my three minutes as a public i have emailed each of you five asking for explanation of funds from the land
that would be spent with no response i highly recommend that there be a DOG review of counting funds then there is something I want to draw to your attention during March 18th board meeting there were the discussion
and reference to Foley land and timber agreement and the land that they gave the county which is currently the county homes the agreement was after the property was no longer in
use as proposed it was to be returned to Fley Timberland further into the discussion Mr newman was asked if he would like to address the matter and in doing so he stated "And the reality at I don't
believe they're not making any more property Mr bishop." Here's what gets me this land that was to be returned further agreement you're not wanting to let
go but yet you're wanting to sell our history land this just does not add up holding on to land that you have no historical history but willing to sell the land that does
in closing I again thank you for this opportunity to speak and I am requesting that the board approval to seek any sale of Hampton Spring Hotel Land could not tonight be approved but the decision be
ours the residents of Taylor County let us vote luke 12:3 There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed or hidden that will not be made known what you
have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight and what you have whispered in the ear in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the rooftop let us thank please
michael i'm fifth generation Tag County my grandfather was a postmaster of Andrew Springs it is an important place to this county i don't think we need to be selling that land and I support 100% what just had to
say we need to take care of our heritage if we don't do that what we got left nothing that's all I got to say thank you sir thank you i'd like to approach the
board again because this is a very touchy subject matter and uh my heart my sympathies go out to the uh individuals that are born and raised in this county and that they do have a a history and a memory of that place being special and
being something important to them and their families so you know I'm not going to sit here and hammer away at you guys because the reality is is the the governor already has individuals that's prepared to come and hammer away okay
so I'm not necessarily here to accuse anyone of mishandling funds but I'll be honest with you too if I was to just do a a rough survey of the county I would imagine about 80% of the constituents in this county would accuse you guys of such okay
what I'm asking is is it the board's capacity to perhaps consider using a part of that land as some means of a residual income to go back to the county is that in your capacity or not like for
instance if it's 6 acres of land why don't we take two acres or three acres maybe let's let's let's be conservative let's say take two and a half acres of it and develop it into a very exclusive Marie spot okay because I want to tell
you guys that uh North Florida is a treasure okay it's a very enchanting very mysterious and alluring place to a lot of people in the world there's a lot of fascination with this state simply because it is the state that it is it's the state with the
palm trees and the alligators okay it's the state with the the history layered over history layered over history so rather than the board consider well let's just sell this piece of history that goes back beyond even the founding of this town beyond there was before
there was a Taylor County that spring was there and people used that spring i've gone to that spring i'm an amateur musician i go there and I write music at that place i take my daughter there okay
you're you're we're not talking about a a derelic building that the county owns we're talking about taking something that belongs to these people away from them so you know let's not just be like poy and and and rash about the decision
making process here okay because there has to be some better solution than simply say I'm going to take this spring that's potentially been here for thousands of years and sell it to the highest sphere and what really really upsets me is to hear you guys say "We'll
set a minimum price." So not only does it not mean anything to you but you'd also be willing to sell it to a lowest bidder if that's not adding insult to injury I don't know what is let me get the entry of what we talking
about you think we sell in the spring we're not selling the park where the hotel was in the spring okay I understand we're selling a scrub that's between a man's business and the spring area there all he's wanting to do is expand his business put more stuff on
the tax road and he's wanting to make something nice and clean up the area it's nothing but a big scrub that people been out there digging for airheads in all the time that's all I've seen there and I've walked through the whole thing i don't know how many other people walk through it okay well can we can we look
at the Can we get a little map on the Let's take a look i I'm just I'm just gathering information well yeah but this one so that everyone can see the map i don't just need to look at it but we need to look at this together that's the whole purpose of these people showing up
here i'm sure a lot of other folks here have we wouldn't dare bring hotel i'd like to ask everybody called me and thought about that and that's not what we're doing okay we're not selling the river frontage there the creek frontage
we're not selling We're selling where daddy pointed out to me when I was a little boy that was where the railroad used to come in up here where this piece of property is it was a railroad railway in there and made a loop and that's
where that was okay well so then can I ask um who who in particular has already or has there been any entity make a bid for this property that you guys are proposing to sell what now have there been anyone who's has there someone
first in line to buy it noid anybody nobody's bidded but there has been an individual that is very interested in the land and the whole reason this is a the whole reason came up anyone in the county does that individual happen to already own the
land adjacent to the property you did it you got it so then what what are we doing here folks is this just basically an inside real estate deal that the county commissioner is going to just go ahead and roll over to people i mean you
can go bid on it you know actually you shouldn't be up for bid at all you should not be up for bid at all the two i just say it in this in the first I've written with respect to saying that it's just an inside deal uhhuh it's not an
inside deal okay anybody in the county could bid on this property but you guys don't have an established price for it yet so I'm not even Well because what I've I intend to do is is to begin a campaign to pull money i will actually ask the
people of Taylor County to pull their money i will open a fund named for the people of Taylor County and maybe we'll need that mount of money and when the people buy that little piece of property there it won't belong to you guys at all anymore i've written two NFL players who
grew up in this community about this situation i'm pleading with one right now because the man has the money in his front pocket to buy it and give it to the people permanent what I'm asking him to do is not only buy this little parcel i'm asking him to buy the entire facility with the understanding that he
entrusted to the people not for sale well I understand that but if you guys are willing to sell a little piece of it then how long until the rest of it is thank you [Music] i mean listen I know that this kind of
touches on another agenda item but um why is it that individual property owners are being the one to bear the burden of the economic decline here let me ask you and I don't expect you to have the numbers on the top of your head
but how much money does Walmart give to Perry or to Taylor County is there just a set tax rate for them they pay their taxes as everyone else does that's what we're doing we're not talking about Walmart talking about this agenda items right well but this is it
all relates to the same fact you guys are desperate for money all of these i guess if you were here earlier you understand the issues that we have we're talking about shortfalls and economic right so what I'm against business but I you actually interrupted me i'd
like to finish up so my time is up well I'll come back so here's what I've got tonight well here's what I'd like to point out first excuse me what I'd like to point out is that every corporate entity in this town remains just the way you guys got no problem they don't remain that's the problem you have no
problem with a new Dollar General being built here so what are the Katon Beach owners of Katon Beach what are they supposed to do if they do manage to reestablish their business now they have to compete with a Dollar General so let me just say this sir
this all derived from yes a local business came with the interest in purchasing really in purchasing the entire park we're not interested in selling the entire park with the historical side of it all that where
everyone goes in there to the historical district it's all still there it's just a portion of there's 38 acres there and there six acres in that corner that now he's might not get it and he knows that he might not get it someone else if it if that's the will of the board to move
forward that someone else could end up with it outside well then I'd like to just make this suggestion to the board and I'll sit back but I do want to say that this this didn't just come up last month or two or three months i mean this this has been taught over a year i am
aware of that i do pay attention i read the papers you know what else I do i use the internet you know what else I do i check in on things you know what else I do i make sure and look at people's track records and their histories and I don't have a problem telling anybody you know what else I do i call the
governor's office on a regular basis and you know what else I do i make sure that the Florida Commission of Ethics may or may not find a particular interest in this county okay because let's just be frank and honest doge is not out to look for counties that have
good clean budgets that are in the black doge's microscope and their magnifying glass is about to be hovered over the counties that have no explanation for economic downfall guess what we have lot of them here so they'll be here so I understand that maybe instead of selling
the piece turn it into some RVs RV lots use that money that this county so desperately needs that's what we got enough to buy in right but that's going to be private money that's money that is his to do what he wants with whereas if the county would actually build
something there that it could utilize for the residual income then you would have money coming back hi Tony Evans Paul Huffle Road what I believe is you said no historical park
will be sold is the portion of that y'all we're looking to sell isn't that where the railroad historically brought people in teddy Roosevelt brought Al Capone into our
county to go and sit in the waters so why are we selling a historical part of it if the y'all said no historical part will be sold that is part of the history the
railroad so it should be a shut case well deal is everybody's worried about the spring being sold i didn't say a thing about the rail yard i'm worried about any of it any of the history park being sold not only the springs i'm
sorry go ahead we're trying we're trying to do something right here in this county that we're behind eightball right now with all issues we've had and we we do need to get more revenue coming in and this is one way to get more revenue coming in how much revenue and is it
really at the benefit to do it long term i mean yet right now we're all in a crunch we're all looking for money everybody you have unemployed people in your community but is that really a reason to
start selling off our history to start selling off our land because it's a slippery slope you start selling it off oh we're in a crunchy again we're 3.3 million short again next year I will us
to sell another six acres and before long it's gone then what are you going to do think about long and hard it's all I'm asking and I do agree with Rhonda we own it as citizens of Taylor County it
should go for a vote for the citizens instead of just entrusting five thank you announce myself again jesse Mes [Music]
um as I said earlier speaking up here that I'm I'm really wanted for government getting out of real estate business um maybe I have a question for Mr conrad here uh isn't there a possible way to
establish for citizens establish a foundation for such projects as Hampton Springs sure yes there is they're influent to take care of it so what I would recommend you know the good citizens here I understand that
they have that i've only been here 30 years i'm an outsider but when I moved here I mean there was things here that aren't here anymore i miss I miss the TV marina i used to work there with the boats times change things change if you
want to preserve something on a historical level uh you need to do it in such a way that a foundation or something is established to to address that issue i do not believe the government should be involved in that business and uh you know you can set up
standards for the foundation to make sure and maintain it and even improve it because here's what I know things don't stay the same never if you just do nothing out there it's going to degrade it's going to go down yes that was a beautiful beautiful landmark for this
area at one time i'm sorry I missed it i mean I've even mentioned let's put a museum out there that even gives that talks of some of the history of the Hampton Springs over the years you know even moving forward we still got we would have 32 acres still there for the
museum the part of the history there's options that we should investigate on this thing i think that would be uh terrific now this piece of land I don't know i I understand there's there's a a drive to bring in good business i will say this if you have existing businesses
as a business owner in Taylor County for decades I can tell you that I would feel better if this commission were to focus on that first before you start looking out how you can give away or sell land to outside
corporations that will come in and establish this or that i understand that that's that's a that can be a big deal um it's also a big deal when we go south we've seen that happen in this county a number of times and of course the mill was a case in point you know we put our
eggs in one basket now we're now we're hurting so I just I guess I want to leave this commission with the thought that maybe there's other options like foundation stuff generate something where the citizen come together they're
interested in forming the foundation i know already that it's a $5,000 fee to establish one but at that point you know you take donations and so forth nonprofit and that's where you fun the money into those projects um once again I just like to
see this uh government get out of the real estate business you know you get what you get what you need you already have roadways and buildings and and all kind of things in this county that you have to have as a government entity but uh other things I think that are not uh
as needed should be either you know done with a in a foundation to preserve or should be put into a situation where you can sell it to first a local business person so they can advance it and I know there's probably some people here after
I'm I've heard them talk you know they have a lot of emotions attached to this this piece of land i understand that but um it's it's it's either it's just sitting there going to waste or else you got to do something with it that's that's the chair um I'm interested in what uh this
lady said about the railroad um I'd like to um I guess our grants person might be the best person to check in on that and uh just see if if that's true because
that could very well be historical also and that's important to this county um so I'd like for the board to hold off until we can Well that one that brought up the railroad portion i can answer that question i went out there and found
the the railroad track build up when Melody was right in the grass i beat through them bushes may I come up and speak sure okay the railroad used to run down side of 98 right there and it went across the truss on the creek right there but this
property is not it just run through it no affiliation to the It just had a spur daddy showed me where the golf course was and he showed me where the spur was where they used to bring the cars in there and unload the people you know
right it's not the same location no the piece of property the piece of property is right there in front of the old hotel was where actually unloaded them but the track come in through there and unloaded them and made a loop and went out they
come in when you're walking up to the hotel the sidewalk to the right you walk down it had a depot station the railroad track come in went across Rocket Creek did a circle and come back out all
right one concern I have is even I don't know environmentalist I I don't know who it was when I was out there with Melody they could never find the source of the spring it's being pumped hot from somewhere it's not
coming out of where it's coming out of so if you sell that piece of property and that spring is actually on that piece of property you kiss that spring cuz if he cuts into it does his own thing it cuts off the spring number
two he's made six eight acres well on the east side of Pton Springs Road I helped Melody plot out for ecoin equestrian trails there is acres and
acres of land that is grown up horses don't go in there nothing goes in there why not sell that i can see the rationalized understand being adjacent to his place but that's not the point the point of it is
is ours and and that other part's ours but this is historical selling some of that other get it all far as I'm concerned leave all the Hampton Springs Hotel intact
mr chairperson isn't that where the old um golf course was i don't know i've never found out where the golf course was that's where the That's where the golf course was was across the road so I don't know that we wouldn't run into the same issue okay um depending on exactly
where that was laid out there was a 9-hole golf course I think across the river i tried pulling up to find out where everything was i know across the creek you had an amphitheater and the stable but we weren't able to purchase that land but I do know where the
railroad track come in because I found it now I have a question are we going to be able to see y'all going to decide tonight if we vote or y'all fail we going to move forward with it tonight
one way or another all right thank you douglas Model Muscle only been here a couple years don't have the history but let me just ask a question we know there's a whole lot of RVs in Killer
County we know this is the old flirt and I just did a quick Google search of countyowned RV parks why not set up a foundation of some kind go for grants with the historical what's there and start
building something that the county owns that the county then can sell the the spots and get a county revenue coming in direct with the historical and this is just an idea I'm just popping an idea there might be volunteers around that would actually
help orientate that and then you get the grant from the state to actually help orchestrate the funding of the creation you start phasing it in with just a few and then you start paying attention you you dig in details of well the railroad track was here and you put certain
trails here and this was over here so you put certain things over there and you work the architecture of an RV park and make it as big as you want to make it as slowly building up over time i know there's a lot of people that come through here on their way south and
north and like here to stay during the winter i work on a lot of them so I know so rather than just saying one shot make it a county park include the people that want to be part of it and start intain
and incorporating it in and building a a long-term revenue from the same rentals they go straight to the county county own parking there's a lot of money in RV parks a lot yes sir yes ma'am that's all
I'm going to say about that but um I think that a lot of people would come here if it was advertised correctly i think a lot of people would come here and they would stay at a county park
because it could be kept really nice we'd have to commit to that right and then if we had historical markers all over um I I think that it could be very very successful and I think in the long run that we would see more revenue out
of something like that than we would uh for what's might happen now I already know too that there's someone that is very interested in
um uh spearheading I should say a kayak um business or whatever that starts at Rose Head Park down here and ends at Hampton Springs and um the idea is that
uh well this is just this person is really thinking outside the box but and I I think also that a lot of people would come and kayak through that and and again if you have historical markers and this person has done a lot of
research um they um have actually got grants that that uh that they've started on to get some funding for that this person may be interested in
also trying to spearhead just what we're talking about an RV park down there then we could all still enjoy the whole all the acres in Hampton Springs and still keep all of our heritage and not put it in the private se sector let's keep it
public then you can also ebikes for a big thing build some trails for ebike and run and you close town so you can start and if we get more people then it's going to draw more of the small shops and small food things and ste has its own flavor
get a flavor for what Perry is going to yeah I think outside the box and I think and I hope that are listening and I hope that that commissioners will at least think about what's being said tonight and the
possibilities of what could be done with that property instead of just saying no we've got to sell it we need to sell it soon as we can there's so much potential there my name is Robert Peters i'm a citizen
of Perry Taylor County proper for the last 13 years i came in one time about not that far back and did you notice did you notice and wanted to know why I was here and I waited till last to speak because I wanted to hear what was going
on and I wanted to hear what everybody else said i don't know every little detail about every situation involved in this piece of property and and how we got to this point but I I have noticed a few things and I've seen a lot of things
disappear from the landscape of Taylor County and Perry Florida um I've seen a lot of things slip through our fingers um I I've listened to people talk and people are are are kind of curious as to
why we have shopping plazas nobody in them and and I I wouldn't want to point fingers at anybody or or say that it's any person or institution's fault but we've lost two major employers in this town
and um I I I get what's going on i get what you need to to develop some revenue here and it it things that have puzzled me was that you brought up Rose Head
Park and a kayak um I would call a tour it um I I seen that place built i've seen the water the splash pad across the street from it built and the pavilion built and I see very little use coming
out of it it it should be generating income and revenue for this town this county um I I see that people are suggesting the town the the c the
citizens vote on this matter and um I I do believe that the word auction ought to be something used very loosely in auctioning off a piece of property because you also put bids out in the same fashion for work to be done and and
and proposals and I've seen a lot of people get upset that when Rose Head Park and the pavilion were built they were built by people that didn't live here and they wanted the opportunity to work on those things the same people who
have lost work because the two major employers left this town and people who had to leave this town because they had to support their families and they had to provide an income they knew what they had to do to do something about it and I
think that it's kind of clear here what needs to be done to do something about it there are other options besides thinking about Hampton Springs Hotel on their property if you include that part that's an option there are other
options it's just my two cents and I wouldn't say that that was a highly educated two cents but it's food for thought and a seed for something else i appreciate the time to speak can we hold off on this decision tonight
and and at least consider some of the other options before we just just jump off head first and do something that may be regretted later clearly there's more options i'm not kicking down the road no more i
make a motion to put this up for sale that's where I'm at any other discussion now this is tonight is just approving the actual boundaries boundaries laid out here right yes because I can't move
forward with any any of the previous instructions from the board without knowing what you wish to have surveyed and the title search and the appraisal on so that's about six acres that that
corner piece another discussion we've been I do have more discussion okay so I I I have to ask the question you've heard the you've heard everybody get up and and they don't want you to to sell
this property and I've heard from lots and lots of lots of people that do not want to sell it i've heard from a few that do want to sell it but by and large the majority of people that I've heard from do not want to sell it so aren't we
supposed to listen to the people of what the people have to say again this is not this is not our property it's not yours Commissioner Moody or either one of y'all it's not mine this property belongs to the people
of Taylor County and the people of Taylor County should have a say so in it who are we to sell the people's property we don't have the right to do
that okay we do have the right in terms of our our our our attorney I'm sure would say "Yes you do have the right but really morally and any other way I don't think we should be doing this when
there's other options and our people do not want us to sell this property listen to the people not just one person that wants to buy listen to the people i've had a lot of people tell me and call me and
approve of it and think and told me said there's a lot more tracks around Taylor County that the county own needs to be sold to because they're all looking for this property across the street where the golf course was that'll make a beautiful business one day somebody will
build something right there you know I mean we got to get things on tax roll we got to have revenue coming in and people get jobs i mean there be job generated by that kind of thing and and I'll tell you uh I'm I sit on the development
authority exeicio i don't vote but I am there and they are working diligently seven days a week to find industry to come in to create and have jobs so that's being done we've got somebody
that wants to make a kayak trail out of it they're willing to help write the grant um so um we're we're doing a lot of things to move forward instead of selling historical property what we've
got to do we got to get the budgets under control that's the first thing that we've got to do budget under control this is one step to get the budget in control i don't How much will it bring in Commissioner huh
how much revenue will this bring in i don't know what it go for we haven't got acceptable bid if we get a high bid on it it'd be put out we don't know how much it's going to bring in but my guess would be it would not be very much our
big business obviously is a big lucrative business why couldn't we do that we could get grant money to improve that property we could be in the RV business and make Do you want Do you want income shortterm or do you want uh
income long term well there's plenty of property across the road high dry ground that's right historical part yeah but that was where the golf course was where the historical part was you got I mean we
got What I did I put a motion to move forward with getting the survey and the estimate and everything done but there's discussion though there you're right there are other properties that somebody could buy if they whatever they want to do with the property they've got other
options available to them not just our property you said that you're ready to not kick the can what does it take to put it on a ballot for us who own this property not the people that represent
us okay to vote on it what does that entail if this board voted to do that and it would go on the ballot next year and tweet so many people call you to do that why don't we put it to a vote for the
Taylor County citizens we if we did if we waited on vote on everything we did up here the people of the county elected us to take care of business for that's what we got elected and I agree with that but you also have to hear the whole
county not just a few we need the whole county everybody in this board right here is represented by the county the majority in your district what have you heard honestly really all I've got a bunch of calls in all districts that And majority of the calls have been to let
this force go you and you don't want to give my opinion you But I tell you wait a minute back up i mean I'm just asking because I don't know but I do know what's been on Facebook yeah facebook doesn't tell the whole story i think that's somebody's opinion and everybody
got one what I've been hearing selling they said things happen in Taylor County more important than Taylor County mr bishop office down there it was a county jail no wait a minute wait a minute wait
a minute if you want to listen if you want to listen people was hung down there people you know they was actually hung down there at Mr bishop's office and it sold you know the people that that died that left their loved ones home down there said by Joe we shouldn't
sold it but they did sell it and I'm glad that they suck with that now whatever happened in Hampton Springs I don't know i went to Hampton Spring i was probably 70 years old before I ever went down there even know where it was
and now wait a minute and since I got on the council everything about here everything I hear about down there somebody telling going down there with the automobiles telling the uh the facilities all the facilities we got for public facilities in Taylor County if
you don't keep somebody down there then then are you going to sell them off you could you're going to sell Rose Head Park you're going to sell the pavilions you don't have to deal with any of that you could do that i used to ride my horse down there when
I was probably I was raised down on Courtney Gra i rode probably eight years old i started riding by myself to the Hampton Springs and Waldo if any of y'all remember where
that was but that's part of our history we used to go down and if you're gonna do it then put it up for a vote for the Taylor County for the citizens to vote on it that's all we ask and if if we get
outvoted the ones that are for it get outvoted I'll shut up but if you put it up for the vote and let the citizens at least as a whole do it then we can go
from there i didn't get a chance that's all I'm asking i didn't get a chance to finish oh I'm sorry go ahead go ahead but then now and and now I heard about the two meals leaving i heard about the three stones
we had no control of any of that correct right right oh I agree and then I lost a house and a shop in it sure okay and then the governor come through and say "Let's put a road on the east side of Taylor County and and carry it through a fourlane road and all this." We voted
that down because we want to keep Taylor County like Taylor County supposed to be i've heard just go to the county line and just chop it off and let it float out i've heard all of that i've heard some all kind of stuff i've been in this world long enough to know and hear what
people say that it really bothers me and I'm not selfish but I when I read the history and I know what was happening down there in that county jail I not only that there are places right there on 19 it
was a school that was banked by several people who it was I don't know but now that was history for us but there's a certain segment of the community think what they say ought to
go but when you look at the entire community when you look at the entire community what's best for the inside community i believe in progress oh I do too i believe Let go outside the box you know if they wanted to sell now let me
tell you something else i did know about this now Mr madden did give me $500 on the campaign but I filed it with my
down at uh thing down at the uh Tampa oh did I I don't know but I did not vote and I have not committed to Mr madly for nothing we put that thing up for auction
or a long get it i'm not committed to five $500 would be is nothing for me i'm not rich but I wouldn't say I'm going over $500
but now for Taylor County I don't know what it would bring not only would I sell that I sell the most stuff I'm into sell it all you yes sir i I express my opinion to you and brother Jim over there and
everybody else and I know I'm not selling any of the property it won't ever pass through your hands again not the money you get out of it won't be much but as money is.7 the uh putting it on a referendum people don't hurt nothing then all that
let it go up in value you get more for it next why why even why not let the people decide that's what we did when you put a sales tax on the people originally voted for it but the sad thing about it was was they didn't go with the referendum
the referendum said the sunset when the hospitals when the jail was paid for they in sunset that was one of those things that where the truth wasn't told but the fact is if you put it on years from now it's not going to be
it'll go up and back you'll get more for it just a quick question but to to get away from the idea of the property um they're looking for income and bringing some in there was talk of a
company coming to this town i believe it was um Harbor Freight what happened with that we were understood people I know anyway were understood that there was work started on that all of a sudden it stopped nobody knows
why and there's rumors that they want to come back but they're not the first um when I first came to this town it was uh beef brains wanted to come to this town and they didn't i can answer that when that paper mill and that saw me shut
down things like that pull the pin i I want to say something to that this was this was uh what you're talking about beef braies and and Dunkin' Donuts and some of these other that was long before the mill shut down okay this was several
several years ago and I I I know that it was uh discussed at the development authority board and they had shown some interest and why they backed out I do not know i can tell you this that this
board has something in place that if if a business wants to come here uh and if they meet certain criteria that we offer incentives for them in terms of tax
incentives so we do everything that we can on our part but things like beef braies and uh these other things that you mentioned that's private business this county does not
engage in opening up a vivo bradies or a Harper freight we don't do that but we offer incentives to anybody that wants to come and the reason I'm I'm saying that because I've heard a lot lately about oh people try to come here and we
run them off that is not true we try to offer what we can in terms of incentives to get people we will work with them if it even means helping them with permitting and other things so we do our part we don't run them off okay
um if that helps you it might help a little bit and it might lead to something for a later date to think about but just the same as far as Beef Bradies is concerned restaurants and things I've seen in 13 years open up and shut down within months and those are
people that lived here that wanted to start businesses on their own and they either hit brick walls or they just weren't favored enough but um just recently um Kasa Grande moved up in
scale they got a place another location and fixed it up and and they do really well and and I I it's kind of odd that they're doing well and other eeries don't do so well we we just had Burger
King leave and I thought that the funniest thing I'd ever seen mcdonald's and Burger King's next to each other and competing for your dollars and finally Burger King gave up does that mean McDonald's is doing any better well we don't we we didn't have anything to do
that was I guess a corporate decision those are all private yes I understand um but um we don't run them off okay now what happens is we've got someone in town people in town that do own restaurants
and all from what I understand from other people too that when anybody decides that they want to bring something to Perry they hire these people i don't know what you're called but they do surveys and you know they look at the traffic count they look at
the income they look at all kinds of things and then they get back with this this person that's thinking about bringing that in and they say "Okay we really think that um say Zach Spe or whatever we really think that Zach Spe would do well there
because you've got the traffic you've got the kind of people that would would utilize that or they'll say You don't you do not you do not pay county does not have what it takes to support this business and I know people that have
tried thought about bringing things in but when they got that report back they knew that they would not be successful i I understand that process as well as market and research and demographics um splitting hairs just to find out if
they're going to lose one penny i get that i went back to the original question and forgive me I might be shy of some details everybody else might know and I don't but what did happen to Harbor Freight that's good business to
have here and it's not food related it's an industry that would employ people and provide a service that the majority of the citizens of this county could use and that's place to buy tools at a nice price we got Tractor Supply which is not a bad
business but let's admit it some of us can't afford that place so we go look at what they got and then we wind up back at Walmart walmart seems to be the place to go and they've taken some changes when I first came to this town they were
open 24 hours then they started closing earlier now they're closing even earlier now they're remodeling and that's great but how did they manage to do that how how did they manage to decide that they
deserve to remodel the Walmart when everybody else is still looking for other alternatives they must be doing pretty well over there it could be because they're monopolized that market and and
we should open up when I referred to the plazas that are sitting there Papa John's was here for a while and I'd hate to go back to a food or a restaurant but it's operated by another restaurant and yet in that plaza
is a great big store that could be employing people and provide more tax income and then that's the basis for asking about these businesses not because I expected you plan to put a restaurant here or there or open up another business but to draw in that
revenue and and the incentive the tax incentive is understandable that's you would expect that but at the same time you're looking for tax revenue so you kind of got to be a little conservative with that well you've got to have an investor that's willing to take that chance and a lot of people don't have
that much discretionary money that they can take the chance of of losing losing everything but um if if someone wants to come here and they meet the criteria this board is willing to help them in every way possible
okay that that that's good to know and I will certainly develop my next line of questions in the next day i appreciate the time we'll come back thank you i speak again just a little bit of history you
know one of your largest sales tax and property tax sources is Walmart not to contradict what you said but did you know how Walmart came here i was at a development authority meeting miss
Walsh Davis up there and boy asked me said "Why can't y'all get us a Walmart?" I said "Miss Davis that's a bigger chore than what I can do." And she said "You won't even try you just like the rest of them." I said "No ma'am we went to the development authority." I asked them to
let's send Walmart a resolution to have a minutes and have a Walmart come here the members of the Taylor County Development already run me out of there we don't want a Walmart the tax collector here in this county was the
Chamber of Commerce president he said "We don't want a Walmart we'll do everything we can to keep a Wmart out." And to this day the last thing he told me was "I won't go in that store." So if you don't think that it
happens it happens you know why they did that because Walmart shut down a minion small business in Taylor County that was owned by people that was raised right here in Taylor County that's right but you look at the sales tax look at the sales tax
revenue that you get off of them now and the property tax revenue that you get off of them now i I realized there was some and I understand where Mark was coming from he had Yro tire and I realized he was very concerned about it i understand why the the some of the gas
garbers were concerned about it because they put gas out there that's cheaper than it is everywhere else i understand all of that but just look at the revenue right now where would you be if they weren't there and let me tell you something else too if you keep up with
the news in spite of the fact that they're building Georgia Pacific was building on every day but in spite of the fact that they're building the brick and mortar stores are leaving people are ordering online i buy online everything
I get you know what's the sad part about it i paid sales tax in Madison County but I live in Taylor County because I have a green bill i I want to say that I was not on the development authority during that time
walter I was on the city council during that time and I fought just as hard as you did because when I campaigned every house that I went to they said "We want a Walmart can you bring a Walmart?" Well no I can't promise to do that but I'll do what I
can if it comes up so it came up and I had to fight tooth and nail with some of the people that you referred to that did not want Walmart to come here the competition is good i was I was a chairman at the time and couldn't make the motion i asked Commissioner Russell
to make the motion to do a resolution to ask him to come here but anyway one more it's me Connell Beasley again um what I just want to point out to you guys and being that we're still on this subject
in particular uh Dollar General and Walmart are actually under an umbrella did you know that are you aware that they're both actually the majority shareholders are Black Rockck and Vanguard and State Street those are
capital uh uh merger conglomerates they're world known they're Larry Frink is the guy who founded Black Rockck okay larry Pink's one of the richest people on earth okay the same people that essentially own
Walmart own dollars okay so you guys maybe is there some way you could have a stipen that you require when corporations come here in addition to the taxes that they pay on the property being that you can just approach them and say look because I am a public
servant and I represent my constituency and the fact that your corporation is coming to our community you're you're putting it our local business owners at a disadvantage therefore to offset that fact and offer
them more incentives and also to collect more revenue at the county and the city need we're going to need a little more money from you Dollar General on several billion dollar a year company we're going to need a little bit more money from you Walmart you own like pretty
much every department store on Earth at this point again like I stated earlier we don't need another Dollar General in this county because they pump cheap Chinese materials our president right now is addressing this issue so imagine
if you will you're a miniaturized version of Donald Trump what is the best suggestion is that you create some sort of a tariff that you require from these corporations that are coming here ripping this county off the last thing I'd like to say is look at this downtown
area and then look at the corporate chains out on the highway now I I myself have started two businesses in this county that both failed okay and part of it was my mismanagement i'll take that blame but also what what really disgusted me to
some degree was the fact that people actually said "Oh well we ain't shopping there you ain't from here." And I really thought to myself who has created that sort of culture in this county i
[Music] I'm all right so we have a motion by Commissioner Moody to approve this site do we have a second second can I just clarify that motion is to move forward with the title search appraisal and
survey that's exactly right have a motion and a second by Commissioner Newman all in favor no mr chairperson I just want to clarify that's to move forward on this parcel
okay 5.92 the one that's up on the screen because that was that was really the question yes sir okay all right we'll move to item 18 the board is consider approval
of damage resolution by the county i did place this resolution on the agenda but this was obviously a request um by Commissioner Feele because of the sensitive nature of responding to this
request I did ask um the county attorney to prepare a draft resolution we had a sample from Jefferson right um that I sent to the county attorney um since the response is due
tomorrow um I'm assuming that we want to send the resolution in tomorrow as well if the board adopts this so you want to read the resolution by title um let me Should we read it by
Tyler or in its entirety Mr bishop see how long it is first it's not it's only one page i'm saying it entire page and a half read read it in its entirety
we got a motion to read the resolution to its entirety got a second second second by commission all in favor mr hang in folks here we go a resolution of the board of county commissioners of Taylor County Florida
supporting executive order 2544 entitled ensuring government efficiency in collaboration with the governmental efficiency term EOG do with identifying the necessary local government spending creating
efficiencies and serving taxpayer dollars and providing for an effective date whereas on February 24th 2025 Governor Des signed executive order 2544 ensuring government efficiency and
whereas the executive order established within the office of policy and budget in the executive office of the governor a department of governmental efficiency team EOG DOG team and whereas the EOG
DOG team is responsible for assisting local governments in identifying unnecessary spending eliminating waste and saving taxpayers money and whereas to best serve the people of Florida local government should in partnership
and assistance with of EOG DOG actively participate in comprehensive review conducted jointly by the EOG DOG team and local government to identify and eliminate unnecessary and inappropriate
spending and whereas the Taylor County Board of County Commissioners hereby finds it's in the best interest of the residents of Taylor County to work in partnership with the EOD DOG team on the county physical and efficiency review
now therefore be it resolved by the board of county commissioners of Taylor County Florida section one legal findings of fact the fourgoing recital are hereby adopted as legislative findings of the board of county commissioners and are ratified and
confirmed as being true and correct and are hereby made a specific part of this resolution upon adoption hereof section two support the Taylor County Board of County Commissioners Board supports efforts identifying the necessary
spending creating efficiency and saving taxpayers dollars the board supports identifying and working to eliminate unnecessary programs misaligned grants and redundant contracts within the county including those which may be
inconsistent with regulations of the state section three good partner good faith partnership the board desires to work in good faith with the EOG DOG team to facilitate their mission and to
conduct a comprehensive review of the county's budget and operations through this partnership the board will grant the EOG MOG time team access to the necessary records and any physical premises to review documents and data
which may assist the county in identifying inefficiencies the board will recommend administrative or policy reforms to promote efficiency and maximize productivity within local government section four direction and appointment the board of county
commissioners directs the county administrator and the county staff to be available and support EOD DOG team request and to provide any necessary access and requested information to the EOG DOG team the board hereby directs
the county administrator to serve as the point of contact for all EOG DOG team related inquiries section five effective date this resolution shall take effect upon adoption motion to approve motion by
Commissioner Fer to approve have a second mr d all in favor i would like to point out that our clerk has answered the the Doge letter um it was it's due it was the response
was due tomorrow hope he answered it today answered all of the questions and this will be sent in as soon as I get it back [Music] all right we will move on to item 19 the board consider approval of draft Norman
Road speed limit resolution administrator do you want to speak to this Conrad i just put it under my name but you prepared the resolution so y'all I was instructed to prepare a resolution and it's real short just read this not
really there's not really a title so you just want to read the So we have a motion to read resolution motion by Commissioner Dempseed by Commissioner all in favor where is it here I go again whereas come
to the attention of the board of county commissioners of Taylor County Florida that the speed limit on the following described road needs to be set and whereas on the below listed road the speed limit shall be set as outlined below therefore be it resolved by the
world county commissioner in Taylor County Florida that one the speed limit on Dorman road is set at 15 miles an hour two any resolution or posting of any different speed on set above described road which is different from
the above is hereby repealed passed and adopted in regular session if you do it today it's the 7th day of April 2025 we have a motion to motion motion by Commissioner Moody with a second by Commissioner Demp all in
favor all right we have covered item 20 so we'll county staff items item 21 the board to consider approval of bid committee recommendation to move forward with contract and cost
negotiations with AFW architect for professional services for Dr memorial Hospital project agenda by the grants writer and county administrator hey everybody hey Melie how are you i'm good thank you we had seven um we
received seven FQs on this or RFPs on this project and a lot of um thought went into it we had two candidates that were very close together but the winner ended up being ALW and we are
recommending that the board um move forward with the contract and cost negotiation with ALW they had a great deal of hospital experience we also have to have approval from the Department of Commerce and they've already did the
approval on moving forward with ALW with your approval in addition they have verified that they are certified with that agency for healthcare administration to um do a project like this we just need we just need your uh
approval to move forward and again we were very very fortunate we have some very good contractors apply for this and um it was it was a difficult decision a lot a lot of thought went into it but
any did out to be the winner motion to approve motion by commissioner to approve the by commissioner Moody all in favor Mr chairperson I just want thank you from the hospital's perspective I just want to thank you all for your work on
this project and supporting us it's $1.6 $6 million grant that's going to improve the infrastructure of the hospital we're very thankful for your partnership and the one that's helped very good thank you all right we'll move to item 22 the board consider approval of FD
construction phase local agency program agreement to construct a sidewalk along Crest Street and authorizing resolution to agenda by Kenneth Dudley County Engineers this is a lab program project and as such it does require resolution
once you've reviewed the agreement to make sure it's appropriate it requires a resolution for to be approved by county commissioners that the chairman act so this is just to give you a little
information back is it will begin at the intersection with Clark Street where the sidewalk ends today and it will continue eastward down Pinerest until it intersects at Howard Street where it'll connect up with the existing sidewalk
motion to read the resolution by title we have a second by death all in favor long title yay construction phrase Pinerest Street sidewalk LAP project signature
authorization motion to approve motion to approve by Commissioner F we have a second by Commissioner all in favor so once we get this um finished out and we'll do the wet signatures unless they
just are adamant about doing a docu sign but once we get this finished out the design is finished so we should be going out for bids pretty soon item 23 uh you're right yes approve the agreement too so have a motion to
approve the agreement on that item by commission commissioner Mill 23 the board received presentation on Marian's marsh ren at Katon Beach coastal park as per the terms of the Florida communities trust grant
agreement in terms of the management plan for the acquisition of Keon Beach coastal park as agend hey there I will be very brief as I know everyone's getting tired bit tired um this is a requirement of our Florida
Community Trust Grant that we give three presentations annually on King Beach Coastal Park as you know we've already did the back presentation and I will be doing a third one prior to June 30th to make our deadline marian Marsh Ren
called Katon Beach coastal park home it is considered a state threatened species and it is a protected species by the US migratory bird act it is a smaller ren that is no more than 5 in long it builds
um its nest to be quite high the males support the females will start building the nest but after studying have selected a female the female must finish building the nest one of the reasons
this is such an endangered species is because it is a friendlier ren than most ren or other birds and they tend to get in trouble because they are um somewhat attracted to humans they aren't fiercely
protective of their babies but there is an issue with um them being um virtually stopped by raccoons and mink which we don't seem to have that problem at beach coastal park and that's one of the reasons they are
surviving in that location okay they are um female 5.5 eggs a year and they have 11 to 12 day incubation period the
babies are quite loud and can be heard up to 98 ft a week so they are a loud bird they are known for their singing and for their chatter any questions any questions for me
all right well gosh I know you all been worrying about the rims i think question worry about right now [Music] thank you thank you all right 24 the
board consider approval of proposed qualified ship recipients and the invitation to bid for the demolition and reconstruction of two homes by the grant writer we have two homes that are qualified for regular ship funds this is not
hurricane funding this is regular ship funding for the year 22 23 20 24 and that's what these two projects will be funed down they're both deolition and reconstruction the first proposed recipient is Elisha the second one is
Glenn Smith we just need your approval to move forward with these two projects and again they would be new construction mr bishop got a question oh I just want to make sure that nobody has a way cousin on this no no conflicts right
okay correct make sure we got a motion to approve by Commissioner D we have a second second by Commissioner Moody all in favor thank you Bailey thank you so much all right we're moving on to county
administrator item the board to consider approval of request to declare vehicles surplus donation to the table coach water district agenda by the Wanda P uh the sheriff brought to my attention that he had a surplus vehicle that was
not purchased with Taylor County funds it was a vehicle that was actually I think don maybe to the sheriff's office he would like he has actually transferred that to the board and the request is that that vehicle be declared surplus and then donated to the Taylor
Coastal Water and Sewer District so they can use it for field operations any questions we have any other support i don't believe so motion to approve have a motion by
Commissioner Fle to approve we have a second all in favor commissioner Fagel is a 2009 vehicle so is there any way we could use it i move item 26 did the board consider
approval of the permit fees for residential and commercial demolition permits agenda by the county administrator it has come up recently that there is a need to set fees for um formal fees for demolition in the past
there have been very few demolition permits requested or granted and just as a frame of reference I think for demolition since the hurricane um staff was charging 25 cents per square foot as that is the remodel fee but as we
reviewed our um ordinance and a resolution that was passed back in 2008 I believe um we really don't have a set fee for demolition so the the thought is that um if the board wishes
to charge the 25 cents per square foot that's the same that we charge for a remodel for residential um but as far as commercial or industrial sites um we may want to look at this a different way and charge maybe per building our building
official did some research and it looks like if you're charging or other counties and cities are charging between $170 and $600 per building um and it it just the numbers seem to be all over the
place so our recommendation is that the board um you know we come up with a number that is good for Taylor County and ask our attorney to I don't know if you need a resolution just for the um
the demolition fees or if you can revise the resolution from 2008 but we wanted to at least bring this matter to the board and and ask you to consider setting a fee for demolition now can I ask a question yes you said
other cities do whatund The numbers are all over the place what was that lastundred between $170 and $600 per building for the whole building for each building so if there's a site that has multiple
buildings then we would charge per building you need to charge about $10 a square foot that's what we need to go by square foot yeah about $10 a square foot so do we need to set that to or I would I would
say that you know the the attorney needs to prepare a resolution recommendation other than just well so when we when we look at other counties and cities if they are charging
by this by the square foot it looks they for example the city of Orlando they charge $60 for the first,000 ft square foot and then $350 for each thousand square ft after
um Dave County charges $17,174 per building um we looked at Lyon County and it's $19712 for each building um Duval County
is a $60 permit fee and $400 per thousand square feet so it it seems like there's really no set um fee that you can go by when you look at the state of Florida the numbers are really just all over the place we would
be happy to Yes you can we would be happy to review that in tech review i mean you got the building official the flood plane manager myself the public works director we'll put it into a concise format that says that's recognizing the cost that's incurred so that we aren't subsidizing these
inspections because that's what it's supposed to be covering anyway is the inspection aspect of it and the administrative and to ensure that they meet you know if there is asbestos abatement that that is that is something that is being accomplished um I think electrical um that their electrical
disconnects um that sewer is capped that's what I refer to with the inspections i mean it is physical on-site inspections and when you have the way it's structured today it is not recognizing the enormity of
some of the ones that are coming in right and then it may very well understate even some of the small ones that physically take someone to go to that site and walk that site and make sure that it it it is finished the way it's supposed to be so I would just suggest maybe have Mr mckver bring a
proposal to tech review we meet in next week I think it is and then and then we can bring it back to the we'll formalize it to where you have something to actually vote on so do we need to just so it's it doesn't take months to work out this process
should we ask Well I don't even think you could prepare a direct resolution 50 that we filled in the blanks on 2008 and 2009 those two resolutions have literally a list of the fees
it probably could just be added to that list and that ordinance amended or updated however youally do that resolution resolution excuse me there was there were original fees in in the uh in the original ordinance Kenneth I think and that's what you see in
Municode but then we can the the board can change by resolution so we I mean we can bring back a formal recommendation like I said we we just really wanted to start the conversation and make the board aware
that this is this is down the road i mean a square foot you're talking,000 foot build i mean it's cost what $20,000 to tear it down so I mean I don't we haven't had that many we have not there's only
been that many have I mean just that surely a a building that may need to be torn down that [Music] surely but recommendation they can they can check it out and get it to me real quick
i can do a resolution pretty quickly you know i mean it's not like it takes a whole lot of time to do it i think usually I start like 0.1 on a resolution or point two so really you just need direction from the board to prepare a resolution after hearing from the tech review committee and we'll bring that
back to the board if that's what you wish for that motion second by all in favor yes sir okay all right 27 the board discuss approve
starting salary for me by the county administrator this is um anformational item that I was asked to bring back to the board um because we have two different levels of mechanics the starting pay for mechanic
one is presently $14 per hour and the starting pay for mechanic 2 is $1522 per hour i I believe at the time this was discussed Commissioner Fugle we had a vacancy of of a mechanic in
environmental services uh we actually were able to fill that vacancy this just last week and the gentleman has started but I did want to bring those that information back to the administrator to discuss
information i'm sorry so I did want to um bring back to the board an update about repair of our floating docks at Katon Beach Stein Hatchee Dark Island Steen Hatche Community Center um Kenneth was that is
that all of them the four the four sites Keon Beach Steen Hatchee the community center and Dark right so um and I'm glad that our subject matter expert is here with us he can talk a lot more fluently about docks
than I can but um staff was able to gather all the docks take them to public works initially they were stacked up and then the contractors and our engineer felt like it would be better to pull them out and actually assemble them on
the yard so that anyone who wished to bid on those repairs could visualize the the shape of the docks look at them from the sides and underneath to see what repairs or replacements needed to be made so the way this was quoted was um
for a 30-day repair a 30-day time frame for a Katon Beach Steam hatchy boat ramp and this community center um so just one floating dock basically so people could have those available quicker the cost
for those repairs has come in at about 100 well for Katon Beach and Steam Hatchee um came in for Katon Beach and Steam Hashem the 30-day repairs came in at about $117,000 the remainder of all the docks
that need to be repaired or replaced is over $600,000 additional for those repairs and replacement um which was obviously more than we anticipated it's more than I anticipated and that is with a 90-day turnaround to have those those
docks either repaired or replaced now when you look at this total the majority of the docks would need to be replaced and not repaired um Kenneth has initiated some conversation with the with the contractor that had the lower of the two quotes and asked for some
discussion to help staff understand you know why some docks were chosen to be replaced instead of repaired and what is entails in that we just really wanted to bring it to the board's attention that that is something we are trying to work through and and
the the project would actually be charged to the hurricane um department and we would be seeking FEMA reimbursement for those for all of that work that it's not covered by our insurance and we would go through the
the um the exercise with FEMA to seek reimbursement well they're reimbured Okay what do you think what other communities i would say that any FEMA reimbursement is is you always have the danger of
clawback but what they do is the first thing they do well one of the first steps is a site inspection so and I think Marca is that scheduled for this week or next week next week they are scheduled to actually go out and
physically look at the docks i mean I don't believe they try to set us up for failure they um are partners with FEMA come out and we have a consultant also come out and actually look at these properties and help us work through the process of of filing the claims properly
and having everything that they that they require and that we will need so we don't have an issue down the road okay because I heard a lot of noise about staying in good standing with FEMA so I
would expect them to fix this yes ma'am i don't I don't disagree 30 days from is our start date on the on the temporary spaces we just we referenced it in the bid form
as 30 days from the issued notice to proceed so from the day that we say "Okay you're you're successful we're going to issue this contract to you." They have 30 days from that time frame do you have a tenant that they we are meeting what she referenced yesterday um I did solicit on Friday
Thursday or Friday last week um trying to understand their mindset of the reasoning behind such a large um kind of shift towards replacing everything versus taking the effort to repair some of the stuff some of it is
very obvious it doesn't need to be repa I mean it doesn't need to be repaired others you know it's at least on face value it looks like it has some still intrinsic value left to it but um if we were to share the bid forms with you you will see that almost completely they're
going through and with the exception of like one facility both contractors is saying "We're going to replace these things." There's consistent full replacement the cost between the two were about 200 grand um apart from each other
uh some of them appear to have a little bit more overhead involved in it we set up the immediate project to be able to catch the two large facilities Katon and Steinache i threw the community center in there because it physically still has a floating docks hanging on that gang
way and it to me it's a safety issue and it needs to be addressed as part of the first first um round we will find out tomorrow what their reasoning is behind replacement versus repair outside of that we did I solicited several all
known marine contractors that we've worked with including the ones that did the repairs the first time or the the construction the first times these are the only two proposals we got back one of them is a marine contractor that will do the installations the other is
partner is a local u vendor who is doing the fabrication the second one they are a one-stop shop they do the installation as well as the fabrication so that's the two extremes we have uh thankfully the one that is the cheaper one involves a
local vendor and he did not include any markup on that vendor's price that was a benefit to us so if we find comfort in their responses tomorrow uh my suggestion is if the funds are available or perceived as being reimbursible at
some point that we issue a not proceed on the most costeffective options that we have and I've gone through and kind of laid out what I think is more cost effective um you know we discussed it amongst myself and the county administrator and public works director
last week so we have a meeting tomorrow at 10:30 I think it is once we finish that I would say we need to pull the pin and start doing something in in those quotes is there any issue in shortages of materials and such as that and meet 90day
so we're talking 30 days for a temporary solution and then 90 days for complete restoration no and you got to remember um Commissioner that we we issued this as a request for quotes so it was an informal in my mind the whole time this was an emergency reaction trying to
replace repair what had happened because of the hurricane we did not go the full route of a formal solicitation bid documents contracts liquidated damages in the event of failure none of that is part of
this so we would have to put some terms beyond just the entrance requirements that I had in there and the statement that you have to finish it within a certain time frame to address and say okay if you don't finish it in this amount of time frame what does this
board want to you know try to hold over their head as leverage or what does Conrad feel comfortable in saying we believe we could do this i mean outside of saying "Okay we're not going to pay you for the balance of the work you haven't finished." I'm not sure you have a lot of recourse
i would just say the sooner the better because you don't really realize the what what folks are missing until you go down there and put your own me yeah i've got folks with me that that can truck in and I get in the boat and vice versa
when you come when you come back in drop them off so they can go get the truck and we hold the boat but coming into a season where folks are going to be taking their families to these ramps and it's going to be a oneman show
because they don't all have the help i watch how we did the 30 days weeks ago i went and I watched just these scenarios with you know folks having to go in there run their boats up against the rocks hold on you know somebody stand
there and hold them they go over and get the truck back it down come back around get in the boat and can you just imagine that as the season progresses and and just these couple of folks that are coming in now that people going to be stacking
i mean even the one the one That's that'll help but can you see all the controversy that's going to end up causing cuz someone's going to pull up there and there going to be so many people coming here to watch their boats they're going to they're going to go tighter boat off and act like they've
got I mean it's going to happen they're going to act like they got all day long and everybody's on their time and you're going to have all these other people over there trying to dock and they're going to the ones that want to run up there and and drop and pick somebody up and drop them off can't because two or three other boats have been put in but
by the time that boat that guy gets back to his boat so you know it I can just say you're not going to hear the end of it until all of the docks are in the water understood and we're mindful of everything you just said and Katon Beach has only one loading dock that is it
we're going to include that as part of the first round steen Hatchee has three we're going to put back the center one which allows you two points of access then the other two will be put as the the extended repair so we're we're fully aware of the concerns that you
have all I want you to do is be mindful that we're going to get a lot of kickback from all of those docs that are out there with the individuals who may think it wiser to take the effort and go through and repair that versus we asked
we literally gave them a bid form with two columns that said "Pric it as a repair price it as a replace let us make the consideration." And they literally came back and said "It is not worth our time for a bunch of that stuff out there to even fool with it outside of just
replacing it." So we they we tried we only have two birds in in hand right now so we need to pick one of them we intend to be in a better position tomorrow after we at least can defend ourselves and say this is why they said they are
not going to take the effort to repair all these things and then like I told her on Friday so you give me a call center and I'll issue a PO that's all I need i'm just even with one doc I'm just referring we say 90day period and we're basically we're mid April now you have
May June July we're in the heat of the summer and just I understand you're working on it but I'm just saying it's it's going to be a big to-do understood and and and there's in local boat places i talked to some of them a couple of them today and there's folks that are
calling them and asking about the dock situation and if the docks aren't there they're not coming they're going to St marks running around the Dixie County side so it's just important that we get and hopefully we can do it sooner than
90 days or two contract we have a 30-day issue and then there's a 90 days obviously I would suggest that you don't necessarily want to issue it to a second contractor when that price may be
$80,000 more or $100,000 more at that rate we are just using the one contractor no sir we are there are there are pieces of the overall puzzle that are cheaper from this contractor versus that contractor
we are intending to make use of both of them but we're not intending to take and say "Okay well to make this happen in 60 days we're going to pay an extra 100 grand for this other contractor to work on this one even though he was more expensive you know than than the other
one we we still take very serious our public sector responsibility i say we do it as fast and efficiently as we can [Music] yes just two more quick items um so we
have two potential dates for softball tournaments at our sports complex one is April 12th the other is April 26th the April 12th is not confirmed i think we're short they're short two teams well that's the Saturday yes it is so it's
two teams short so I don't know that that one's going to move forward um the next one would be April 26 so we're really at the mercy of the of the folks who participate and you know but we are we are trying obviously well how does
that how does that work if if they're planning for this Saturday and this is Monday and don't you have a lot of pre there's a lot work to do um well yeah so how I mean is there some kind of
deadline that they have to let us know so we have time to prepare you don't know by tomorrow yeah well we should know by tomorrow oh okay i mean hopefully they'll they'll come i hope so yeah I do too um the only other item I
had was just to remind the board that as you know Adams and Ree has been retained to draft an economic development strategic plan for the county um those public meetings start on April 10th they're let me read the dates out to you
they're all from 4 to 6 in this boardroom april 10th 14th 16th 17th 23rd and 24th and I I think I emailed each one of you but I'll be happy to send you the dates again um and we have invited um
obviously the city the our building and planning department will be there TCDA the Perry Taylor County and Stein Hatche chambers of commerce um superintendent of schools and DMH representative and any local task force so we're hoping for
a a good turnout what time four to six all of them are from 4 to 6 the first meeting is April 10th and each meeting is the same that just gives people an opportunity for different days to come i'm not really sure honestly i think
that um I don't think the meetings will be the same i think it will be a progression where we can take input from different entities so I I believe the way it's going to work and it could evolve into something else is that we would hold the maybe the same folks
would come to each meeting but we would take input at every meeting so they're all for public input um regarding economic development issues and opportunities junior Wington here they're all here
all right we'll go to item 29 comments and concerns from the public for non agenda items non-aggenda items i got one thing but I heard the board seems to be
worried tonight about revenue which I understand that but you have a business in this town that you gave the tax break to i believe it's a 10-year tax break and they have imported labor they put in the hotel so they can stay over
in Taylor County to meet the requirements of that tax break why don't you revoke their tax breaks be direct worried about revenue and make them pay what they're supposed to pay if they're not honoring the agreements and doing what they're supposed to do they're supposed to hire
people come here and they're bringing in neighbor from somewhere else they're not doing what they're supposed to be doing thank you anyone else for non-aggenda items i just would like to reiterate like what you guys were discussing earlier about
the boat ramps um I still own property down there that no one wants to buy now due to the hurricane so that's just it is what it is but uh I've seen several instances and I'm sure you can check with the sheriff's department there's
been a lot of really violent fights at Katon Beach boat rims so that's probably something that you really want to get put together quick because even with everything functioning there pretorm there was a what a year ago there was a really violent brawl because
of someone simply parking their boat in front of someone's dock along the channel so yeah that'd be something probably going to get figured out really quick and uh I just want to say a couple more things and I'm going to go i didn't come here to hammer anybody or
disrespect anyone in any way and I understand sometimes the words in here become sparring but uh I just have a an actual care i do care i I this community has grown on me i didn't I didn't move here to stay here i honestly moved here
to buy some rental properties and keep making my way further South Florida but unfortunately my plan and the agenda changed with my ex better half so now I'm kind of obligated here because uh I'm in a private sector of business and
um I'm actually responsible for bringing some tourism and some like extracurricular dollars to the county so what's difficult for me when when I have people considering coming here to visit and they ask me well what's to do here i got a limited number of things that I
can presented as far as leisure time recreation fun etc so u my ultimate goal is to see improvement here in the county across the spectrum because I'm it has to I'm dedicated to it uh my daughter
goes to school in Stein Hatchee okay fantastic school great place excellent excellent principal people there the the teachers there top-notch what I find difficult is a grade A school exist in one area that is is is eat up with
methamphetamine and and drug trafficking okay so I'd like to just make it a point here out of my own opinion the sheriff's department may need every penny of their budget and as a matter of fact their budget shouldn't even be on the agenda at any more of these meetings the
sheriff's department the fire department local city I guess i don't know if you guys handle the police i'm sure that's the uh municipality end of it but uh yeah the sheriff's department here they need every penny of their money because I've
been here on and off five years okay i've moved here in 2020 i escaped a tornado in Nashville that's where I'm from and I paid attention since I've moved here and I haven't really seen prosperity i haven't seen growth i haven't seen any kind of lucrative deals
offered to bigger manufacturers or people that can bring more jobs or economically i've just seen a continual decline even before the storms okay so I understand the storms have created some difficulty for
everyone here but we can't continue to blame everything on the storms that's all I have to say i appreciate you guys thank you thank you anyone else from the public for non agenda items i'll make this quick i'm Sandy Hennessy
from Florida Sheriff's Management Fund i think I've lost my voice but um we've been handling insurance for the sheriffs throughout the state of Florida for decades and now we have opened up our interlocal agreement that we can actually offer to the other county
officials and we're wonderful we're all note brokers we do you don't have to have a third party administrator because we do all that um we have um our pricing is out excellent our service is excellent um you can ask anybody that we represent any of the sheriffs we
actually I heard you're going to be taking over your jail and we have we do like um when we find a coverage that we don't have in house we'll they'll get together and try to find one in Pasco County that came up and so we are handling their
liability for their jail so if you have interest in that um I know that you may be um I'm more the workers comp and auto and such as that um if you we have the bandwidth to push
to cover claims that other people wouldn't i've seen us cover things that nobody else would um a deputy that was off duty and at the park with his daughter and the child was um a dog went after another child and
um the deputy of course jumped in well we they the board decided you know we're going to cover because public officials going to be taking care of people all the time that's what they do so they covered them anyway and so we do run to coverage
instead of running away from it if you have any interest now the one thing I do say that quoting even if you have a relationship with your TPA or your broker quoting is never a bad thing because it's kind of like shopping you can we're we want what's best for you
even if we're not that but if we quote you and our rate is lower which happens every time I've quoted so far since I've been with them and you show it to your current um carrier then the current carrier will often match it so if you're really happy with the claims management but you just
want to sharpen their pencil and get their rates down for you good thing to do because we're we're not pushy at all we're just here to help if we can if you have any interest in that um I'll leave you I don't know who handles that but
you know file folder things you would need if you would like myself or the clerk okay and then also I asked her if it was okay if I brought snacks because I figured I'll be hungry by now um there are sandwiches and cookies i don't know if that's okay but he said it was okay
so there's cookies and sandwiches and drinks so help yourself and um but do let us quote let us try to save you some money i know that you're all having a tough time in all all the different counties and we have really um had real
success with coming in lower with our rates and some of them been outstanding and so even the ones that didn't want to come with us now if they show it to their current carrier and the current carrier comes down to matches and then
then a lot of times they want to come back to us the next time just for claims management stuff you know because you things like that but I don't want to keep too much your time because I know I'm probably tired and um but can I give this to Thank you i'll just give you a
handful and um you know help yourself to eat on the way out thank you items move item 30 board informationational items commissioner Pigle yes um Bel are the the brick
trucks gone are we done okay we're not They're not gone can you just kind of give us the status on that um I don't I've I won't get some some numbers and and send them to y'all tomorrow if
that's okay i don't believe I got I've had an update for several days i want to make sure I send you accurate numbers i know they are trying to wind down as much as they can the cement or concrete will be last that they pick up but they
um they they are I don't want to say they're winding down but they are trying to to finish getting everything done how many trucks do we have in in the county do you know i do not know as of this last week the last time I checked we
had to see about 25 but I will check that i will I'll get a report and send it to y'all i didn't get one this morning but I'll I'll get a report and send to you i'd like to know too um how many roads have we signed off on and how
many do we have to go just just for general information i I know that our contractor has made a huge difference and that last check which I think was last week they had picked up over a thousand bags of trash
they are so that has that's really made a difference in cleaning everything up thank you i'd also like to say thank you to um all the public that came out tonight and I think that we you know we
certainly invite the public to come and speak whether you agree with me or not has nothing to do with it just we need we need citizens to be here and know what's going on instead of just a lot of times things are said out
there that are not true so I I tell people come to the meetings and and you'll know you'll know what's true so I appreciate everybody being here and come back again that's all thank you yeah i had a
call with a Pine Street you know Pine Street behind you the uh the equipment that picks up the trash in the road on the side of the road i think they might have damaged some of that on Pine Street
okay i got a call for today okay i'll I'll reach out to you tomorrow for the address if that's okay okay i just wanted to ask if we follow up with the mosquito and such uh well I got a schedule up last week
but I knew they were not going to be spraying tonight um with the with the wind and the rain so and I did not receive an answer from her about the what you sent me so I I didn't figure we would spray tonight so
I'll send out an updated schedule this week mr i wonder if they going to have the tablet the people you pick up out at the on 98 for the mosquito tablets are
they going to have those available i'm sure they will but I'll double check and make sure that we have you mean the dunks and the bits as far as I know but all them mosquitoes are fixed to be bad they are standing on water they're just getting cold you know we got enough
water to Yeah i had heard that we don't have them so I'm assuming that I mean we keep those in stock right right well every year you know they get started with them i'm sure they got them but I mean just just check on them if you could make sure they got Y that's all
I've got i'm about setting up tonight okay all right a motion to motion by a second [Music] blind muted