I'm saying if there's anything that was in contract or what not maybe close the meeting for but I believe every single site on this list is already owned already and there's We have not met before and uh introduce ourselves and we'll start. This is the
uh meeting of subcommittee and the community building subcommittee. Nothing here binds anyone. a matter of discussion and explanation of all parties in conceptual plans. Um on the
screen we don't know you can but then uh Denise Belure deputy mayor Mark Schwarz, mayor. Aaron Organ, deputy mayor. Anthony Verley, deputy manager. Mike Lash, development council. Excellent. Um, Andrew, do you um on the
webinar to how many people do we show? People and what would we do with our developer? Give him access to speak with our with our planner. Give him access. Give her to Graham. Not not Goldie.
Graham. Um with topology, right? Yes. Good morning everybody. Can you hear me? Uh excellent. Beautiful Graham. Thank you very much. Okay. Okay. So with that, um we're going to we're going to jump right in. If you a lot of the gist of the agenda today is just to talk about
moving some projects forward, plus some new projects as well. Um with that I think why don't we go with um these new gentlemen here so they don't have to stick around for everything else. Um Ramy Bar. I'm the architect for lot six.
Come up introduce. We actually don't even know the need the proper address. So why don't we start with the address to this site. Uh there is no current address. It's only known as a block and lot for now. And that's the corner. Is that the corner of Lorraine and Englewood Avenue? It's the corner of Spruce and Englewood Avenue. Spruce and
Englewood Avenue. Which corner is? It's uh the southwest corner. Southwest. It's an L shape. It's not exactly on the corner, but it's it's an L-shaped at the corner. It's it has a frontage on the uh
East Englewood and a frontage on Spruce. And if I'm correct, did you present a plan about two years ago or a year ago, we got some renderings. I sent a couple of um ideas, conceptual,
but uh probably about a year um and um nothing happened. Nothing happened. I believe I think I sent it only to Adam's. Okay. I think I sent it I sent it only to Adam just sort of an idea. Okay. So the floor is yours. Why don't you start?
Thank you. Um unfortunately I didn't know that I can put on anything on screen. So I have Do we have what he's presenting? Okay. I have a hard copy. I'm not sure how to pin them. Um unless if you want me to email them and I can
and can put them on the screen. Absolutely. Um, oh, if you can email now, that'd be great. Yes. Um, who can who can email? One second. Welcome. First of all, thank you so much for
having us this morning. Um, by the time the um email comes up, I'm just going to uh open email and start with the survey which is on the email set.
It's located on the second page on the email side. As I was describing this is as I was describing this is this is and you turn if you're coming down
from Tina Road on Inglewood going down you turn left on Spruce. The lot has 75 ft frontage. Yes, it has 75 ft frontage on East Englewood. 150 ft frontage on
spruce. The lot was purchased through auction from uh yeah the lot was purchased through auction from uh uh the town uh I believe okay it might be about couple of years ago more than that
um so um what we're proposing is to put a multif family Start with small. All right, we have it on the screen now.
So, if I can scroll to the uh probably second page. Second page. Um just keep it on the second page, please. Can you hear me here? Yeah. So uh on the top uh plan which is the site plan uh the uh
right side is East Englewood Avenue and the uh bottom of the page is Spruce. The grayed out uh portion uh this is an out parcel. This is another lot, but lot six has a 50 uh I'm sorry, 75 ft frontage on
uh East Englewood and it goes down and then about 150 uh feet frontage on Spruce where we're proposing we're proposing very much two and a half story development uh with the parking the
entrance of the parking will be from the uh from East Englewood and the exit will be on spruce. Um that's uh first level it would be just parking. Second floor and uh top u second floor um or two and
a half stories on top it would be residential. Uh the survey shows the um at the bottom of the page the survey shows the location exactly where it is uh along with the aerial photo and the size of the lot. The lot is
approximately uh 30,000 square ft. It's just shy of 30,000 square ft. I believe exact measurement is 29625. And uh if we can very quickly the proposal is very um simple. Uh if we
move on to the next page please. Uh the parking entrance uh would be on East Inglewood uh providing approximately 66 parking spaces. uh not accounting for any EV uh credit. Of course, we're
proposing to um have approximately 10 EV uh parking um charging station and uh and then um apartments on top. The breakdown of the apartments uh would be mostly one bedroom uh about uh two of
them on each level would or three of them on each level would be about two bedrooms and uh one would be three bedroom. The mix would be one threebedroom, three two bedrooms and um
I 14 one bedroom 14 bedroom. Of course, this is just a conceptual um a lot of work need to happen to accommodate code variations and to uh requirements and travel distances and and so on. The
second floor and the top uh would be similar. If you can scroll down, please. And we're proposing rooftop amenities there. When I said two and a half stories on top of a parking garage, uh the uh it would be the front uh
facing uh spruce um facing eastwood will have couple of apartments and then the back will be uh an amenities for the residents and a green roof. If you can again. So, this is a more of a kind of
like block plan for the uh parking garage, the ADA uh um or the handicap accessible uh parking spots and the entrance on the first floor. And u and that's very much it. It's a very simple
proposal. Uh the proposal right now um with a total of uh about uh 66 parking uh with a rate of approximately 1.6 parking per unit. Uh the total number of
units right now is a 41 units. Now uh I have seen other proposals in this in the town and um there were some proposals that go uh higher in density. If I can go back to the first floor to the first
uh please the first page. So the first page it's okay to cut two the two pages the the yes I do the 3D is shown uh here where it indicates uh the set of uh the design is uh
designed to respect the uh city's character and the town uh and the neighborhood. Um the area is uh very um right now it's not really developed. Uh we have a few one family houses and this
area to the uh this block specifically we have an abandoned block immediately next to us and then another lot from the uh owned by the uh township. I was told or I learned that at some point the township is looking to even sell that
lot. Uh there are some amenities around. If we can look at the aerial photo which is on the second page. Please uh just scroll up please. No the other
way. So the area where you have the playgrounds and uh and the amenities and this is very close to the edge of Englewood. I would see I would really think that this will benefit the town as a development and will bring more life
and and even safety to this area at this time. Uh I'm not sure if uh if you guys have ever been there uh when it's a little dark, it's kind of like uh not that uh not that I mean you feel that it's it
might be creepy a little bit. Um and that's u that's very much it. It's a very very simple proposal. I'll jump right in. Sure. Um so there's a site on the other side that the town owned. We'll take a look at that. Yeah. Um and then there's a site right next to
that abandoned house. Did you ever speak to those owners? We tried. We tried for a couple of years uh to get in touch with them. It's I believe the last time I was to uh told by my real estate agent who is well my client's real estate agent who was trying to contact them that it's owned by an LLC. it has some
tax lean that a tax lean was taken by some entity in Florida and um it's just contact with them wasn't that simple. Um sorry Jason can I interrupt? Sure. Isn't that site that he's talking about Groward's site? The house right next
door. I think this site What? Yes, that correct. That Groward's original intention. Right. But you're right. He owns the I believe he may still own the adjacent parcel. Jason I'll take a look at that adjacent. Yeah, you'd have to look on the tax. Yeah, I'll take a look. If it was um
Well, my information is whatever that client told me based on the real estate agent research. I will I will take a look. They had reached out to me. So, I'll take a look at that. Sure. So obviously having encompanying potential those developments are great. You you you'd spot on nailed it with that area right there that their area is a little
bit abandoned. You do have uh it's so abandoned that you have a pig farm across the street and no one complains about the pig farm. Literally the pig farm and you've been out there. The pigs come running over. They want to talk with you. Yes. And we've got no complaints about the pigs. Um we actually enjoy walking.
Um and you are aware of the affordable housing components. Absolutely. Um I mean I I think you you built it. I think it's properly moving the size and I'm going to turn it over to um so um I didn't really see a rendering
of the actual or closeup of the actual building itself. Um what is the total height? Well, right now the total height is less than 40T. Less than 40T. Okay. So, how how many stories total stories? It's two and a
half stories on top of the uh parking garage. And uh again, we we we're going to try to keep it as low as possible. However, I do have another since the mayor and thank you mentioned the uh affordable housing. I do have uh another
probably question something to put on the on the table. If this lot can be reszoned or this area can be reszoned to go even to a higher density and a higher um height uh this can accommodate uh a
good number of affordable housing and I believe the client will be uh will be open to that. Hi that's great. Um the other question I have is I know this is this is visioning and that this is a prop you know proposal of what you're looking to do.
Um as you're running the numbers and I'm of course consulting you know with your finance people um we would love to see or I speak for myself a um what does it look like from not just a rental perspective but from a purchase
perspective. Uh, one of the things that if you've been following our development in town is that we are, you know, many of our our um residents that are downsizing and potentially looking to downsize into a smaller facility don't want to rent. They are interested in
purchase. So, as you're casting your numbers and casting, you know, the possibilities, uh, I would just only ask that you could come back and and bring what what are some of the possibilities there? Absolutely. I actually I would love that. Uh I actually spoke with the uh owner. I live in Richfield Park and I
have been uh in Richfield Park for about 23 years now. And uh the kids my I have two kids that are uh one of them is off to college. The other one is going to be off to college in the next uh year or so. And I'm looking to downsize. I'm
looking myself to have a nice one or twobedroom apartment myself. And yes, absolutely. This is this is a a very great opportunity. And I believe the possibilities are open whether it's going to be rental or uh condominiums I'm not so sure yet but I I I think the
based on the discussion with the clients and uh they are very open to both. Yeah I think in from a standpoint of community um interest and community buyin um the opposite spectrum is true too. We have a
lot of our young people that are coming back home from college, getting these fabulous jobs in New York City, and they want to buy. Absolutely. You know, they don't want to rent or their parents are saying, "Do not rent. Buy something." And so oftent times, even a one or
two-bedroom condo is a segue into potentially, you know, building some equity to purchase their first home. I completely understand. That's what I'm looking for right now for myself. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Sorry. What street is west of the project? What
street is one west of Spruce? I believe it's a Parkside Street. Um Um Yeah, it's Aspen Terrace. Aspen Park. How are there single family homes on? They are single family homes. How many and would how many would abut the
property abut in the property and that they share the property line? Yeah, I believe uh the if we can go to the survey the survey could show it the survey on the next page four total on the block or four that about the property. How?
Yes. However, um this is this is the survey and these are the properties um in the back. This this is one family home and this is one and this is one. So I believe probably three probably three
but I I will have to double check. However, when the the proposal shows that we have a setback, a sideyard setback here and a sideyard setback here, which keeps it away from the existing structure and then we are considering this portion here as a rear
yard setback and we're setting back 25 ft, I believe 25 or 30 ft and then the other property on the on the other side is setting back by approximately 30 feet. So somewhere between 50 to 60 ft would be uh distance between the
structure that is proposed and the existing structure. I'll have to verify with the surveyor to get exact the measurements but it will be greater than 50 ft probably more like 60 ft. But anything above 2 and 1/2 stories would overlook the yards of those single
family homes. Absolutely. And that's why if I go to the third place the proita that's why the rooftop amenity is what one one last
place. Yes the rooftop amenity is at the area of the rear yard and that's where uh we can actually uh contemplate the um to put a screen. Of course it's going to have a good size part of it. We can put a screen for the people or for the kids
that are playing which prevent the uh to be very close to the area. It will be considered more like an elevated rear yard and will be yes there is um like if you stand on top of the parapit or if you look at the parabit you're going to see the neighbor's re uh rear yard but
it's not going to be seeing the actual uh house very close to you. It will be approximately 60 ft away. Okay. that the windows of the second story would not overlook their yards. No, the windows all of them are facing the streets.
Okay. Um and so we're we're being asked, Mike, to we would be asked to reszone a single um single to a multi-family. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.
So, um, think what we'll do is we'll head out there maybe next Friday afternoon, something like that. We'll we'll do a little field visit, go around just to now conceptualize this with that area. I'll look into the two other sites and then we'll circle back. Can you introduce yourself? Yes. I apologize.
Would you before? One second. Would you uh like me to accompany you at the U site visit? Yeah, that'd be great. I would love that. Email us. I'll give you my follow my card or my email address. Just email us and we'll set a time there.
Absolutely. Your card and then we'll set a site. I'll use probably Friday. Absolutely. Thank you very much. I'll email you and she'll tie us in. We'll make Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Mayor. My name is Matthew Gillson from the law firm of
Murphy Schiller and Wils. I'm the uh attorney for the applicant. Perfect. Take them. Okay. Matthew, thank you for introducing yourself. Let's circle back. Um and I appreciate these are exactly what we wanted to see. You nailed exactly what we were looking to look into and you answered everything
perfectly. So, next step, we'll set a time. We'll go out there and take it. Okay. Excellent. And I'll come I'll get more information on those two adjoining lots in the Hi, guys. Thank you. Oh, sorry. Yeah, please. Sorry. Um have you been in touch with the owner of lot
Um I was contacted by the owner of Lot 7. He offered uh the client to buy it to buy this one but um they did not come to an agreement and we my understanding that the owner of this lot had contacted them to offer to buy or counter offer
and they didn't get to an agreement. I would love to but the owner of lot seven is willing to sell. We're I mean I'll talk to them and we're happy to incorporate it. What do you have? The owner lot seven's funny. I I I don't have it. Uh and what I'm looking
at now. No. See, do you know the tax address on the I don't have my I'll look up I I have the mailing address. The owner. What's the mailing What's the mailing address? It is 41. 41 Bergant. Is that right by you? My
office is 14 Burgund. That's No, no, no. It's uh lot seven is owned by someone with an address of 772 Win Road. Yep. That's Grabber. Um would you
mind giving him um Grabber's permission? Sure. Do you want if you're not representing anymore? I I I'll You can do that either way if you I'll get I'll get you his information. Sure. I thought it was a win address. Yeah. Don't bother look at the hours. Okay. Okay. Excellent. We'll move on.
You're welcome to stay if you want or leave, whatever you'd like to do. Um let's jump in on Muhammad's not here on West Angle Avenue. Are you representing Muhammad on West Angle? You are formerly representing. Yeah. Okay. Um so why don't we get some more of the other
Let's Let's talk about um They're all good. Let's go 827 Road. Okay. Um you you were at the meeting. Romy, is this yours? Yeah. Yeah. No problem. All right. Do Okay. Yeah. So, all right. Good morning, everybody. How
are you? Um, do you want to just talk real quick just an update on 140 and 100? Would that be okay? I just wanted to give everybody. So, 140 State Street, um, the inclusionary, you know, mixeduse project at the corner that's been vacant since god knows when. Uh, we're filing
that application this afternoon. So that hopefully will get in front of the planning board either in June or early July. So that should be filed um this afternoon. If Adam doesn't do it, he's in trouble. So I'll make sure that we we get that done. Um and I'll coordinate with with Adam and with Gigi on the
planning board for that. Then 100 State Street, I'm hoping to be filed within the next 10 days. The only thing that we were left with is that the engineer was just finalizing the stormwater design, but the architecturals are done, the site plans are done, traffic reports, everything else is complete. So, those
two redevelopment plans should be before the planning board in the next two months. Beautiful. But but the 141, which will have an affordable housing component, um is uh is will be filed today. And while we have you here, 45 Alfred Avenue in Cannabis, we going
there after this meeting weekend. It's it's not open, but um We're not. Yeah, it's not open. But I um I in speaking with the um with the uh developer slash operator, they're like well under construction. I mean, I'm sure Mark knows over there. They
they Oh, okay. But they but I but but the client has sent me pictures. They have a it's it's there's a ton of stuff going on in that building. It'll be open before April 20th of next year. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I think it has to be. Yeah. Okay. Um, but yeah, there's a lot
there's a lot of construction going on there right now, so that's good. Yeah, I I got the joke. Some people got I got I just didn't know how how much you wanted to go into it, but yes, I got the joke. No, no, and just just to convey for everyone here, the reason is we've been approached by people who want
to open additional sites. And my personal belief was that let's see how this goes first. This is either going to be God's gift to Tene or the worst thing that ever happened to mankind. And the only way to do that is to have it open up and then we can see. So we're very anxious to see plus the budgetary issue.
We want to add those monies to the next year as well. So this would be great. Yeah. And Jay Alante who was the uh the representative of the applicant. I mean if you don't have his contact information I can give it to whoever. You guys could reach out to him. I'm sure he'd be happy to speak to you. We're very interested to stay not on top
of it but almost like in the no because it's a learning experience for us as well. We're very excited. Yeah. Okay. So, um, do you want to do 827 first? Okay. So, we had that community meeting, um, about a month ago. I thought it went well. Uh, if so, I know all the projects
we're talking about are all basically predicated on your affordable housing plan that you're working on. So, in that meeting for that specific project, I think the the public had some constructive comments, but I think for the most part, everybody was in agreement. If what if a project were to
proceed, the taller building that was less spread out with more of a setback to the residential was a better option than a shorter build, one-story building shorter but further spread out along the site. Um, so we're ready to proceed with that. Um, there would be an inclusionary
component to it like we discussed. Um, and in speaking, you know, speaking with Mike, all of these sites that you're identifying as part of your affordable housing plan with topology, they'll have to be in the plan if that's what the township uh believes is appropriate, and then you'll have to
adopt ordinances creating these affordable housing districts to implement what the ultimate fourth round plan is of the municipality. So if it's now I would say in your court and top apologies court in terms of if you agree with the plan that you have the 27 units
at at five stories um and you believe it should be a part of the fourth round it's going to give you I believe five units there five affordables um at that location um it could be included in your affordable housing plan and then a subsequent ordinance can be adopted for that property. Okay. Um Mike we'll talk
about that with the policy draft is that our next step? Well, uh, we did receive a letter's office identifying that project as a possible opportunity for development for housing. Um I believe
that project in the version that he's describing with the the higher building um that that project is being incorporated into the draft fair share housing plan that will provide an
opportunity satisfy our obligation and and if I'm correct I'm sorry if I'm correct and we didn't talk about if we added to West England math at our last meeting kind of math together if We add 54 West Englewood for the inclusionary housing, we actually fully qualify our
fourth round. Is that correct? We would qualify our fourth round obligation even at the DCA published number which we had objected to and accepted a lowering obligation but we don't have any
direction from the fourth round program or the board on what we're doing. So, you know, prudently and conservatively, if we accept BCA's number 431, if we include 54 West Enl and all the other
projects that we receive letters to include, then we will we will satisfy the other satisfied towns. Yeah. Yes. We'd be satisfied with the higher number in theory.
Yes. and and by the way well the the difference in actual built apartments I'm looking at lower even even the dozens that were incorporated yeah I mean before we get into the I guess the newer projects that you
haven't spoken about um we sent the inclusionary letter requests Um Oh, go ahead. Sorry. No, go ahead. Um fine. So, okay. So, I I understand that. That would be great. We'll talk about that with the apology in the meeting afterwards and keep going. So,
what do you um I guess so 827 Tene Road is one inclusionary request. 1387 Hill Street would be the exact same process. um which is just remember these are not we're not proceeding with those two under redevelopment. This would be you don't have to do a blight designation
you know all all of those things those studies that are part of redevelopment that wouldn't be a here all you would be doing was making it a part of your affordable housing plan. So that's that one. And then the last one that we did which is redevelopment would be um 143 State Street. But 143 State Street is
already been designated when the township did its scattered site plan about four or five years ago. So that site that the gas station or the auto repair shop site at the corner there, that's already been designated. So all you would have to do here is include it in your affordable housing plan and then
do a subsequent ordinance. So it's really the same thing. Also, it's just through the redevelopment process versus the affordable housing process. Mike, did I am I right there? Okay. All right. Yeah. And I'm just chiming in. Hi, this is Graham. I'm listening along. Uh, correct. Yeah,
Graham Pedle from topology. Um, characterization is correct about how these would be included in the fourth round plan. Um, uh, and we we did include this within the compliance strategy framework that we reviewed with the, uh, governing body previously. Yeah. So, all all those sites, you know,
I guess like you said, mayor, it would add up and and help uh, get to that that obligation. I have a question. Uh, Jason. Sure. Um, are you going to go into a little bit more detail on the 1387 Hill Street? Oh, yeah. We can talk about that. Sure. Um, I have actually
plans here for 1387 that were dropped off. Um, 1387 and again, I'm not sure what aspect you're prepared to talk about. 1387. Um, he proposed a plan. Um, Deputy Mayor Belure asked for more affordable housing post back and forth um, additional se
additional floor. It's in an apartment district and last left off. We're going to go out there. plays a beautiful affordable house. Do you know what the new numbers are? I believe we're we're we're at uh the 20% um um amount. So, I think it was whatever um don't let the lawyers do the math. I think it was 20
units with four affordables. I'll double check, deputy mayor, but yeah, we if you remember when we proposed the shorter building, the I think the set aside was less than 15% or just at 15%. I think your comment was can you do better since we have the fourth round obligation. So
the percentage is higher than the 15. I got to just see if it's exactly at 20 or slightly lower, but we exceeded what you had originally saw based on the comments that the zoning subcommittee made. And and I would just add that, you know, as as a layer to, you know, uh these these
site plans and and what developers are doing in terms of forecasting, looking at the financing, I'm always going to say that if there's any way, especially in these smaller units that are like tucked nicely into these nice, you know, streets and communities throughout the town, uh if there's any way that they
can look at purchase, uh resale, because not everything should be not everything should be a rental, you know, you know. So, so this is where this is where this is where where Mike is way more versed in this than I am. But the financing, my
understanding for the condos is just a lot harder than than the rentals. And I I I've heard that. I've seen that. But I think what the deputy mayor is saying is let's all see it. And then the answer is hold on, this is only 300 grand a I met with someone at 189 the
plaza that was interested in changing their plans to condo. I'm like, "Sounds great because we want condos. What are you thinking?" His response was, "A million dollars." And I'm like, "Okay, I'm not really sure that's gonna work." So, I think what we're saying is is let's all see the math. Let's all see it. And if it works, it works. If it
doesn't, it doesn't. You have client that did a sellout job. I'm sure everyone now knows Haluma is completely sold out. Yeah, it it looks great. I mean, it took a long time, but it looks it looks great. Um, but that also with the latest purchased years ago, so maybe that nicely is also bigger. But if you can work on a template with with your
clients to say here's the project, here's the math and here's the plan for a condo, it just would help us because every aspect of the community is asking for this. I mean, you're probably getting church getting it from um communities getting old, retired, people come from Queens, I want to sell their
house from Queens and move here, right? Well, on on so Huba was a 14 acre property, which which which is obviously much different, but I I I think that if we're if we're not asking for redevelopment, which the only one that
we've been talking about so far that's in a redevelopment area is 143, but the other ones are not. So, we're not asking for a pilot, right, for the ones for 827 and for um those don't even qualify for a pilot. 827 1387 Hill Street. But we can just
leave the options open where we could approve it and this happens a lot where you approve it as a multif family and it could be rental or condos and it's up for the to the developer at the time that it goes up to see what the market um you know is yielding there. So if condos are a benefit, you could have
them as condos. If rentals are more of what's the market's calling for. So we could leave it open-ended. If it were a a redevelopment issue where we were seeking some sort of financing, then I think the township would have more say in like, hey, we want you to do condos. We want to see a proforma and on why or
why condos don't work or do work, whereas here it's a little bit different. Okay. But keeping it open-ended um do we is it is there any detriment to that? I mean, in other words, we're not saying that it has to be a that would be typical. So like typ if you built a multif family building if
if if you weren't going under redevelopment it would be typical for the client or developer at the time of being at the planning board for example you always get that question is this going to be rentals or condos very common question and the answer I always give is we want to leave it open because we want to make sure we know what the market is by the time the construction
occurs I think what she's also s if you yeah no I just want to say at that very point of the you know the one of the questions we asked in addition to that uh is what is the what is the benefit to the community and I think
because we are looking at developments that are small that are that are uh placed into single family communities streets and so forth throughout our township that the benefit is that it is a purchase because if you look at the
statistics from the National Association of Realtors Mhm. renters versus homeowners. Homeownership speaks to more of a buy in to the community. So when people buy something, they're more
invested. No, I get it. It's less of a transient oriented. I understand what you're saying. Can I say what she's trying to say, but not as nice terms. Knowing the numbers up front will help with you as opposed to keeping it in the back end as a foresight. Is that 100%? That's I think what she's really saying. What she's saying is here's our plan. um
we can go condo but it's going to be $725,000 a door we can go there that doesn't work okay as opposed to here's a rental plan maybe we'll do condo approve me first and then all of a sudden we start getting a push back but when there's push back from a single family owner you just want to understand the
market I I understand be transparent on the numbers of that so it's a what it's saying it's it's a dedication to community from the potential okay fair enough okay fair enough thank you okay okay do you have anything else. Yeah, I
just wanted to talk about 105 um State Street. So, can we take a half a step back on that? Sure. And Kirk Mitchell's here also on another property which is also town home. And maybe maybe we point over to Mike for a brief second. Okay. Both 105 State Street and Shephard Woods
represent town properties. Town properties that in the need for housing, affordable housing revenue and on the sale in ratables that we've been approached by developers to develop Um I believe everything has to be done on an
auction basis. Correct. Well um is 105 State Street in a redevelopment? Yes. Then it would not need to be done. Is 105 State Street? Because we owned it. Did we include I
have to see if it's included. It was owned property. I don't know if we actually included our own property in that area. Yeah, you'd have you'd have to look at the PPG study from I guess it was like 2020, Mike, or 2021. See if that block and lot is in there. I can give you the block and lot if you
have it. Well, we can check. Okay. Yeah. I just want to preface that that both conversations that we have upcoming are involving sound properties. A little bit of a little bit of a shift. So, Jason, sorry, I wanted to pre No, that's okay. Um before actually before we get into
that 54 West Anglewood um and just speaking with the developer this week that's that would be 53 units with the 20% um set aside there too. Um but and I believe the deputy mayor of course deputy mayor also requested that a he
purchased the site the next site and b that he up the numbers to 20%. And last I've heard he is in contract on that site. Yeah. And you know, going forward now, I know that the township is going to ask for 20%. I mean, it's I know the ordinance says one thing, but now that
you have the fourth round, I know that the 20%, especially if you're asking for a reasoning, is going to be the number that you're looking for because you have to satisfy that obligation. So now, but now up the game now it's 20% plus a condo financial trying to be helpful then.
Okay. Um, no, thank you for the unit information. Uh, for 54 West Anglewood, so that would be 53 units and a 20% set aside is 11 units. And also just affirming that for 1387 Hill Street, uh, at 20 units in the letter, it was proposed. It was 20. Yeah, I got that. I was right about that. Okay. Yeah. And that's four affordable units. So,
yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. Thank you. All right. So, so on the on the 105 State Street, so obviously this is all conjecture because we'd have to, you know, there we have to do some more research with Mike to talk about it, but the goal here, and I can have, you know,
representatives from the applicant um speak to it, but it would be a two-phase project with two buildings. Um, and I'll give you the exact numbers in a second um as to what the developer is proposing. Um, but what we would look to do is basically a five-story building on
State Street would be a building A, 92 units, five over one or four over one, excuse me, 92 units, 45 parking spaces. And then a building two or building B would be 22 units and 108 uh parking spaces. So the total between the two
buildings would be 114 units and 153 parking spaces. So it would be the ratio would be consistent with what you know the township has been looking at more recently. And what what type of you now because we own this property there is an
opportunity for condo or or different to be flexible. That's that that's correct. If especially if it was in a redevelopment there would be a negotiation with the municipality. That's correct. I do have a question for the attorney uh on that. I because I know uh in
attending a couple workshops recently, a lot of people are using, you know, stopping to not using the word affordable affordable housing and using workforce housing more frequently, which we basically know is is really just just, you know, people that are working. You know, these are this is housing for,
you know, firefighters, police officers, teachers, etc., nurses. Um, is there anything that differs when we when we speak of workforce versus affordable?
That's what I thought. Okay. 100%. Yeah. I think that better describes the residents. And not only that, but I think that that a lot of times of because of all the lawsuits surrounding affordable housing, um, often times it has can have a
negative connotation. So I think I like to use the word workforce housing is more there is state of New Jersey Laur that is workforce right right and that
is you know really it's a program zoning to achieve those goals right then there are federal programs um you know that that differ and you know there's in my mind when we talk about affordable
housing under New Jersey framework that's most because it's still in income scale it's still in um based upon income so low moderate um and you know so forth what what would qualifications be to
move into workforce housing if the income requirements you have uh moderate low very And the income ranges for single person
um or family um vary by region. So we're region one certain. So this would be done by lottery. It would be the same as if we were building a full affordable building and putting it there like we did with the senior
affordable building on Tene Road. This wouldn't be workforce housing. This would be an fully affordable building that we're putting there. I mean if if you did a 100% affordable project you would still you could say
this is only available for seniors or this is only available for very low you could make those distinctions you own the entire project. What qualifies for
moderately affordable? What what would bring in firefighters, police officers, nurses? We're trying not to leave anyone behind. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about I I I can chime in here to help if
that if that helps. Um so the the income threshold percentages are set um for the low, moderate, and very low income as Mike was indicating uh by New Jersey state statute. So moderate income is between 80% and 50% of the median area income for region one for example. Um
for the workforce housing that's typically viewed as 80% to 120% of the area median income. Um so a little bit higher than the moderate income for example. Um so that's something that we can you know identify those ranges and uh you know provide some information if it's going to proceed as a municipally
sponsored project that would provide you know workforce uh affordable housing and we would get credit for that. We would get we would get more credit for that, wouldn't we? Uh this is a planner question, attorney question. Wouldn't it be more than one for one if
it's workforce housing? We would have to review the bonus crediting structure for um this, you know, the the intent of the the Fair Housing Act is really to provide first low and moderate income housing uh to support those groups. Um, workforce housing is kind of an additional outside
component uh beyond the scope uh given that the affordable housing legislation is really focused on provisions for uh moderate, low and very low-income populations first. Um, but we would have to take a look at that in the framework of the municipally sponsored project and see what other credit opportunities there would be available in that process
would require a little bit of additional research as Mike indicated. Okay. Um, okay. So the next step just talking about the just talking about this just talking about this site um which is do you want
us to um provide more plans to the municipality on this property for 105 State Street? Do you want us to do the analysis on condos versus rentals? Um I just want to talk about the next steps with regard to this site. Can can we just wait to hear back from
the planner? Okay. About um I I just want to see the difference between a fully I I wasn't looking at a fully affordable building, but more helping out people. We we have a hard time getting people now to apply for our
police department. But imagine if we could have, you know, incentivize that with housing for them here because they need to live in town at the beginning and then see where we go from there. Okay. If um Graham do I don't think Graham has this plan. Would you be able
to um Who has the email? I think only I have the email. Andrew, do you have the some agenda on you or you don't have the agenda? The 105. The 105. Do you have it? I don't have it. I don't have digital. Okay. I'll forward you the digital if you can then forward it on to Graham. And if you guys can review what
you would think would be the next steps being that it's townowned for a affordable workforce non or just just to give us input on this the credits as well. Um or even if it's condo affordable. I'm just talking a lot if we have this opportunity to look at pretty
much every put everything on the table. Um if you guys can look at it, you know, across the board. Yeah. And I say it, you know, even if you know by doing that and you feel free to like do the pros and cons, you know that, you know, do do a, you know, a chart that basically says if we did it
this way, this is the the positive versus, you know, the the negatives. I I think that that helps me to really kind of see. Okay, that's fine. Perfect. Um, all right. So, the I know this isn't on the agenda, but the the client for for 105 uh state also wanted to talk about
Orchard and West Anglewood Avenue. Is that okay? Yes. Yes. Uh 105 State Street is block 5002, lot 25 and it is included in scattered.
Okay. But the other one is not site B would not be the one on the other side of Terrace circle 23 is also also great good God bless Kenan it was a good walk okay go back to Orchard Orchard and there been they may familiar with it
that's an older orchard's redeveloped is that also has been designated as we haven't heard about that in a long time okay we we did not designate that I thought it was in it was not I I know that specifically I'm intimately acquainted with that orchard I'll tell you why Orchard wasn't. It was when
Keenan was here. Okay. And was it just the West Anglewood side? It was. Yes. That that it just on the West Anglewood side. Okay. Um because that backs up that the back of my house is Orchard Street. So I So I remember that that that's all single family residential on that street. So yeah, I thought it was
just the parking lot on on Orchard, but we could we could look into it. But that's another site that is it. Okay. So the I think the Anglewood Avenue side and the T-neck roadside were were there. And this is also a property where we can get a substantial project here where
totaling 233 units and 256 parking spaces literally wrapping the corner of West Anglewood Avenue and Tene Road right there. I remember um honestly Jason I remember West Anglewood. I don't remember if the orchard if No,
definitely. No, the orchard street wasn't, but I don't think that municipal lot was included. Okay, I'll go. I remember that. In fact, I I have I can go back to that. And that's a separate study, too, from the scattered site one that was done for State Street. So, I'll have I think that was done later in
2022. I remember that. I was on that call. Okay. And and it was a very long detailed call. Okay. And um so I I would say that um Tene Road I I mean that is a I think that requires that whole Tene Road
discussion because because it's commercial retail. My opinion, Mr. Mayor, is that we address that a lot differently than just residential housing. Uh we're talking businesses that strip right there between West
Anglewood and Orchard. You know, what can we envision for that? Yes, you know, we do have a lot of uh turnover in terms of retailers and stores and so forth, but what are we doing wrong? What could we do better? um is I think a so are you
s are you suggesting just because the clients here can listen a more of a mixeduse development over there that would have storefronts on tene road is that what yeah I don't think we should lo certainly we should not lose any you know retail I think I I think this is
and I think this is a discussion because this is um a community that's very well vested the northeast this absolutely requires a community meeting because this absolutely requires input because
not only that, not only do you have a block association there, but you have a business association there, you have the Tene Road business uh uh uh community uh alliance that's there. Has anyone spoken to them? Has anyone talked to them? Has
anyone No, I think this our first step is always here, but Sure. Absolutely. But um that's no I mean on I mean look even on 827 TK road which is 27 units we had a community meeting. So I would think on something of this size huge. Yeah this is I mean that's that's I don't think that's a that's an issue at
all. Just you know in terms of so so what we're what what is being proposed I I don't want to step over what you're No that's okay. No it was be it would be a similar you know um four over one type building there in to be done in phases. So you could do like I said about it's
about 250 units or so on that site because you have trouble. Yeah. I I didn't know about this coming on the agenda today. Do you want to do you have anything to talk about or we could do a followup? We could do a followup or anything along that's fine. I could send this to you. I know it's last minute. So
So what I could do is I know you're you're very particular about what's on the agenda. So we could do it at the next one. I could send you plans in advance if and then we can talk about it from fresh. That's fine. And then and then probably what will happen is you'll send us plans. We'll talk about it. We'll set up a community meeting and
then take it to the next level. Yeah, I think that's fine. And then we could and we could also check on what um Deputy Mayor Belter said about which sites are designated and which sites still need to be designated. So I'm not and also maybe maybe what we'll do is
schematics then community meeting and then zoning. Let's figure out the Sorry. I'm on mic now for those watching at home. Um, these properties are included in a in a redevelopment area and uh I'm I'm
looking at the master plan describes the the West Anglewood Avenue. Uh it's block 4905 lots 1 through 22.01. So that's the West Anglewood T-neck road and properties that are on
the north side of Orchard. and uh that went that was designated on August 30th, 2022. There is no current redevelopment plan, just the designation. Okay. So, I I I would like to go back to the video on that, Mr. Mr. Attorney. So, let let's really
kind of um look at that because I remember Orchard Street was not specifically was not I remember that and and Keenan was was the planner for that. email the clerk now if you if you email the clerk and CC us just to get the get that whenever there's res. Yeah. Yeah,
that was a specific um Zoom call and I I actually have a Okay, excellent. We'll take that. Okay. So, schematics then we'll either go meeting or community. Yeah, we'll schedule we'll schedule another one here. We can go through. We may want to do the community me. I leave that I leave that to you guys to let us know. We'll work on that. Let's
do that. And what we'll try to do is do that before the July, you know, before someone starts staying August travel, September holidays. Next, you know, it's February. So, it's 4:20. Keep in mind that a lot of people are away for the holidays, too, in the
summer. So, we want to make sure that we Yeah. No, I understand. I Yeah. Okay. So, we'll jump on that. Okay. What else you have? That's it. And I'll keep And I'll keep you posted on uh the submission of those two of those two projects on State Street. Just tell us some on the ribbon on the ground break. Tell us how. Yeah. And I'll also stay in
touch with Mike about these affordable housing projects. So, perfect. Okay. Okay. Shepherd in Kirk Mitchell. I think we all know you here. Everyone knows Kirk Mitchell. Kurt. How's it going? Kurt, been a little while. We've been clawing back pieces of Shephard Woods with our
fingernails. Do you know Mike Ash? Um, Mike, the redevelopment attorney. Mike knows Shepherd Woods pretty well by now. You both know Shepherd Woods pretty, but you don't know each other. You both know separ all right. How you doing? Good to see everybody again. So, everybody is
familiar with this property. It's municipal owned lot. Um it's never been developed. Uh recently I was told that a parcel of it was given to Green Acres. Yeah, Mike, you're the parcel away. Okay. Um, I have a question before we go
into that. When I when I first uh found this property, I was looking for um a space in Tene to put the TX Stingrays kind of headquartered, like an arena. And then what I was told was that um opposite of Genese Road and uh Argon Park, a lot of
that was already dedicated to the Green Acres back in the 70s. That's a lot of land. So, I was just curious as to why this parcel was given over to Green Acres. So, to be honest with you, when I first heard about this, why it was given over to Green Acres. Yeah. Uh, this is in regards to Route 4.
Route 4, they are buying properties from us or to fix to repair the bridges and expand by Bell Avenue and they need something in return. Take a trade-off. And some people on council wanted it, some people didn't, and we're trying to minimize that. There were some people on council that said, "Hey, take it all."
And I think the two deputy may right left said I'm out on that. Why? And Mike's done a great job of saying just give up as little as possible. And to be frank, the amount that we're trying to give up is just the wetlands which would be undevelopable any and and the area closest to Englewood so that it still
stays close to that paper street and Tina. Got it. You want to try that? Uh, but I believe what I'm hearing you say is that why this as opposed to Archon that is is that what you're saying basically why why wasn't the already had
the designation I don't know if it's still held right um back in the 70s and it's undevelopable land like this is this land can be developed there are no wetlands in Shepherd Woods um and I' I've pulled many reports through um through my engineers so there are no
wetlands there but Argon seemed to be it's it's massive and you know why wasn't that giving us a trade-off? So yeah, so um for the Route 4 widening project, there are there are properties that abut the
existing Route 4 right ofway that are known as the green belt. Some of them, not all of them, about about half of what DOT needs. and they're like, you know, kind various slivers of pieces of larger lots. But
what they need to implement the project for both um the permanent infrastructure when the project's done for some temporary construction staging um they are impacting uh about
um I think it's 6 acres of greenacre restricted property. And so in order to uh allow that to happen, we need to mitigate by creating new green acres acceptable
property, which means it can't the land can't already be encumbered by green acres restrictions. Okay? And it has to be useful and valuable real estate. So we can't if it is wetlands and we don't
we don't know the answer to that yet. um it hasn't been formally investigated under the wetlands criteria um for D. Do is doing that now as part of their
due diligence on how do we mitigate the green acres loss on Route 4 um with a portion of potentially the Shepherd Woods property. So we don't we don't know the answer to those questions yet. I think they were literally in the field, you know, they were they were there investigating last week. Um, it's
something DOT wants to get wrapped up soon so that they can actually, you know, start the project. But, um, I think the the the council generally recognized that, you know, this this piece of real estate is a a rare and
valuable municipal asset and, you know, it's to be used sparingly. though we're only going to encumber uh you know the the the very you know minimum that DOT is going to require or ultimately D
green acres is going to require and and hopefully that leaves the rest which is the the property with the most utility and and future development possibility. Thank you for that. just curious. Um, as
a follow-up question, a few slides in. I wanted to know if it is designated, keep going. I I'll let you know when to stop. Would it be possible to continue Howland Avenue through it? See? All right. Stop right there. Yeah. So, the orange area
is the area that you designated. The rest of it um is that parcel. And you see Howland Avenue used to be there prior to the paper through the paper street. Yeah, the paper street is still legally
there. So it is a street. It's right now it's a it's a dedicated municipal right ofway. It is just unimproved. I believe there's also a utility infrastructure that exists. Oh, that that would be great. I didn't know
that. Yeah. So, I believe there are sewer there sewer easements. Mhm. I don't know if the actual sewer in place, right? I don't know what's under the ground and that's also something DOT is investigating. Okay. Um, I think if you go out there and you kind of walk
around, there are some, you know, I think manhole covers and and so there there seem to be indications of some infrastructure there, but I'm I'm not sure what the extent is, but part part
of um what's proposed, if DOT and Green Acres ultimately accept kind of that that orange area that we're now proposing, um they would want us to either grant
um kind of a an access easement to the public or somehow um make that entire orange area unencumbered so that someone who visits the greenacre
property could visit the entirety. So, it's not there would be no separation, at least legally, there would be no prohibition from somebody accessing that entire property. What that looks like in terms of legal rights going forward, we
haven't we haven't gotten that far yet. Okay. All right. But is it your plan that you would want to improve through to Anglewood and right through and but into Anglewood? Correct. Okay. Correct. That might be it used to be. Yeah, I think as it is maps. So, it seems like
you two didn't know about each other beforehand, now do and now should speak. And I don't know if you want to continue or journ speak or give us a quick rundown and then speak, but this may throw off whatever you have in mind. So, if it does, No, it doesn't. It's actually good information that um I've
been curious about for several years. So, um and now you see where Shepard Avenue and Shepher is first and foremost is on our mind obviously as you as you can tell. So, yeah, sure. Um you can you can go on to the next slide. So I think keep going. I'll tell you when to stop.
Thanks so much. Okay, that's the first one. So um so I think the first time I've ever presented this in front of uh council and zoning was 2019 and initially um came up with the idea of of subdividing this into 34 lots for single
family homes. So that would yield 34 single family houses about 6,000 square foot each lot. Um and the total lot size at the time was almost six and a half acres. Um could you go to the next slide? Then the market changed. Um and
2023 happened. So after COVID you realize, okay, if we build these things, single family homes, they're going to be selling for $900,000 and that would totally change the neighborhood. Um one of the reasons I brought this up and why I've been such a proponent of this project is because um as many of you
know, I'm TC born and raised. I've done all my education here through high school and so forth and I wanted to make sure that this property was developed in a sensitive way within the neighborhood context. Um because you know if I was if I was just looking for the money this
would be a great four over one 500 units on this property. Um but that's from what I know from the support that I've had in the community and from living here in that area that's not what they want. So since single families kind of would price out and and if I use the
word gentrify that area, I tried to bring it down to town houses. That way it's kind of a more affordable opponent component. And in this way uh I went by the townhouse uh zoning ordinance to kind of how it would be laid out and divided. And in 2023, this site plan
showed 44 uh townhouse uh units and seven single family houses. Six uh facing Shepard Avenue and one facing um Buffet Avenue. Then I heard about the designation. You can go on to the next
slide. And then then we just updated it to show the green acres uh designation which then brought the uh density count down to 36 units um town houses and su five single families. Now there is still
some wiggle room here. This is not fully developed. Um I know Mark that you did bring up the idea of ADUs and this is back before Tene officially adopted ADUs. um which I have been working on a lot of projects in Jersey City, Newark
um of people um implementing ADUs into their projects. So I think there is a a possibility of incorporating that here as well. So there could be a little bit more density, but this is the overall um basic idea of creating suburban looking
town uh town houses which would be for sale um and then having its affordable or work house workforce component to it. And you are aware that regardless of everything you said, it would most likely should still need a 20% set
aside. Correct. which which I didn't realize unlike a rental really kills the model the financial model both for the developer because it's for sale and for the ratable because the ratable is purchased in the sale price. So it's this this concept of purchasing condos
of affordable housing really wasn't proper thought out in my opinion. It does. And on Haluba we went through many people on the list because like whoa I don't have 12 grand. It it it just it and I know you always talk about it was better off almost having a separate building set aside on that. But you know
it it is complicated. Um and there are there are you know many incentives that have been put in place. They're not easy to get to. but to make a project like this um feasible. So, uh you know, this this is what still looking to do. It's been six years. I think it still has a
lot of potential. Um you know, I've had several meetings with the community. I think Mark, you were all one of them. And they're all in favor except one guy that owned a few of the houses. You know, the funny thing is me and Frank Brown have become great friends since then. You remember that guy? I own a bunch of houses. I don't like come around in six years.
and he has since then I think he's gotten two more. Okay. Yeah. So, he's got his little compound. He said he's he's all right with the plan now. Um Yeah. So, it's ironic. Okay. I think Yeah. And and I I but I just want to say that I I think that this is
representative of of what the community like would like to see that this isn't uh this is development that is, you know, residential that it's new, it's fresh, it has um the potential of even what you just said about adding ADUs as a possibility. Certainly, you know,
helps to make things more affordable and so forth. So, so thank you for taking the revised map of, you know, taking into account our obligations to Green Acres into account and and revisioning and reimagining. Thank you for that. And now that our meetings are open, would
you mind um emailing that to us? You know, you know, when there were closed meetings, we always never like if you can actually get that to us. We have 105 state, we have that, we have everything. Yep. And then we'll take it from there. Okay. And we're going to meet, we're going to go out there, we're going to talk online, and we're going to circle back. Just get the hard hats, right? Okay. And then um one thing just to
notice on that on the plan is that you'll see if you weren't able to continue howling through there would kind of be like a culdeac. Right. So that's just Did you recently move by the way? I did. And down TK road. Right. I did. You catching up with the No, it's a beautiful house. Thank you. Well, it
wasn't but uh but that's what I'm saying. That's the part that I noticed. Yeah, we we saw we saw the pictures. It's beautiful. Yes. Thank you so much. It was a lot a lot of work. Oh, I would love to. As you see, I don't I don't know if you could see in between
where there is um some type of designation of like a little stream that ran through. We put like a recreational park. Um I think one of these um schematics, we did have like a small community center. So, um yeah, we're definitely open to doing stuff for the neighborhood and trying to develop it
and um you know, and make neighbors happy. Excellent. Okay, we're good. Um, thank you. Thank you. Mike, did we I mean this I don't know what's going on outside. Apparently want the room out. They're going to kick down these doors. Can number eight Hold on. Can we hold on to number eight before these go? Sure,
no problem. Do you mind if you hold on to eight right now because I don't know what's happen? What do you want to do? Number eight was interacting zoding map. Was that is that time sensitive? No. Well, actually Graham had to jump so he's not here. Okay, fine. So, let's adjourn. We have these plans. Let's continue our conversation. We have some
meetings. Uh I think this is a very good roadmap for the next years um of a lot of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. But we do have some takeaways that you guys are going to come back on in terms of clarification uh and so forth. Okay. Yep. I was
already trying to pull that resolution. Thank you so much. Yes. Let's let's adjourn. Let's look. I don't know. Where's the library? The library um has a