Andrew, ready? You good? Okay. Um, everyone, uh, good morning. Welcome to the zoning subcommittee. Uh, Friday, October 24th, 2025, 9:00 am. We're having it in council chambers as well as on Zoom. Agendas were published prior. They're also available up front maybe
and but they're also online. They're not okay. They're right over here actually. Um, thank you very much. Um, okay. So, we're um we'll go in order. We'll start with order. If there's someone that's not here, we'll go back and um go back to them at the
end. Uh if we'll wait a second for everyone if they want to take an agenda. Did we lose them? No. Is there a longer path that he took to bring the agendas down? Oh, >> take one, pass it down. There'll be a
test on it within the hour. They were for They were for downstairs. Oh, those ones. Okay. So, >> okay. So, everyone's got copies. Okay. Okay. Okay, Adam, thank you very much for
bringing that down. Okay, Mike, I think we'll start with you on the update or is it going to go? Why don't we go around and introduce ourselves for everyone that doesn't know? Um, I'll actually introduce everyone. We have Andrew is our MS MIS in the back. Um, Jaclyn Hashmat, our manager, Adam Misa, our zoning off, zoning officer. Um, Anthony
Verier, our deputy manager, just walked in. Denise Belchure, our deputy mayor. Deputy mayor, Karen Orgon, our deputy mayor. Gold, I'm sorry, Gold. I forgot your last name. It's why I deleted you like changed it on your emails with congratulations. I Golden McMillan, our planner from
topology, and myself, Mark Schwarz, as mayor. Um, and any professionals when you guys come up, we'll ask you to introduce yourselves. Um, the first item on the agenda is going to be an update on the status of the fourth round compliance and litigation. Mike, do you want to do that or is that going to be Golder or Scott?
>> I apologize. We also have Scott on Zoom. Are there any other officials on Zoom? Um, Andrew, can we make Scott a presenter or whatever that word is? Um, if you can make him, great. If not, Adam's here as well.
>> Scott, are you hear us? Can you speak? >> I can hear you. Yep. >> A little louder. Can you hear me? >> Uh, a little low. >> It's a little low. Okay. Uh, >> yes. I I'll play around with this. >> Okay. Um, Mike, who do you want to give
the update on the round fourth litigation? You, Golda or Scott? >> I'll I'll I'll start. >> Beautiful. And while Scott finishes, fix his speaker. Okay. >> Yeah. Go ahead, please. Gold and Scott can chime in as necessary. Um, so
as you are aware, uh, the township adopted, uh, housing element fair share plan. This is the plan that was adopted by the planning board and the council back in June. That plan needed to be filed by June 30th to comply with the
fourth round amended fair share housing statute that applies uniformly to every municipality in New Jersey. Um we are now in the compliance phase of the uh
amended fair housing act. compliance phase means any interested party had until August 31st to file a challenge to the plan. Um, a challenge to the plan
means that they are an intervenor participant in the now compliance phase. Um, we received a challenge by fair share housing. Fair Share Housing has
challenged um almost all I'd say 95% of all housing plans filed by municipalities across the state. they have uh intervened in 95% of these municipalities
um compliance phases in order to ensure that municipalities will continue to comply through the end of the process. Right now we are in um a mediation
settlement phase with what they call the program. The program refers to the um procedures and process of the administrative office of the courts that um sort of the head
administrative judge set forth in December of 2024. The program means specific to Tene that we are assigned to a retired judge, Ronald Bookbinder, who serves as
a mediator and he is a hearing officer and makes certain decisions about um the compliance of our fair share housing plan. working with Judge Bookbinder
is an appointed special adjudicator. His name is Nick Graviano. uh he is a planner who the program has hired and assigned to Tene amongst other towns to participate in the program to
provide technical guidance planning opinions not to Tene not to anyone else but only to Judge Bookbinder. So, Judge Bookbinder has uh expert opinion uh in
order to make a recommendation as to whether our plan complies or not. That's what we are doing uh right now. the time frames uh in order to to sort of complete this phase.
Um, Judge Bookbinder has until December 31st to make a recommendation to the Mount Laurel judge in Bergen County as to whether or not our fair share plan
complies with the amended fair housing act. He will make that recommendation based on arguments that are advanced um by the intervening challenging parties including fair share and including uh
the owners of certain properties that are listed on the agenda today um that are here to present concept plans and that were included in our our fair share plan. Um, the purpose of all of this and the
and and it is uniform in every municipality is to identify sites that will likely produce affordable units. Um, it's not uh it's not a promise to provide units.
It's not what is the best policy to maybe in the future create units. This amended fourth round process says every municipality has to identify
realistic development potential sites to create affordable units. And the sites that are going to be discussed today are the result of property owners who have put themselves forward to the
towns. And specifically here, they sent letters. They've been at prior meetings. They've said, "Our sites are are here. Um they're available for redevelopment and we will provide affordable units in satisfaction of your requirement in the
fourth round. They have all intervened in the compliance phase so that um from their perspective they ensure that we are going to take the necessary steps to create that realistic development
potential going forward. Now um without getting into too specific and too technical of some of the legal arguments that we are uh debating with the program. Um you know
fair share uh has intervened. They have um different different interpretations of how the new fourth round process should be implemented.
We feel pretty confidently and and you know this is where Golda can chime in that our plan fully complies and it's based on the proper interpretation of all elements of the fair share plan.
Fair Share Housing as a as an entity and and I believe they are a representative is is observing today on Zoom. You know, they they want more they want more sites. They want more units. They
are here as an advocate for more units wherever that may be. Not just here in Teneac, but in every town and in every town where they are now intervening and challenging fair share plans across New
Jersey. Here fair share's position is we could have identified other additional sites in addition to these that we have already identified that would be realistic development
potential sites. our position and and again I don't want to get into the legal arguments but um our position is topology has done a very thorough job. Tene is a very developed municipality as
it is and if there's any potential for development we've identified it and we've included it in our plan. That's it. Uh the special adjudicator, Nick Graviano, I believe, is also here to observe and he will be commenting to
Judge Bookbinder uh in the next couple weeks um to show that Tene is complying with this process, this fourth round amended housing act compliance as we
said we would do. And just to kind of so you understand the context, the full context, we can comply which is what we've been doing in a timely manner and in in good
faith and with best practices and you know being guided by our planners. On the one hand is compliance. on the other hand is the court removes immunity from T-C
and non-compliance results in builder's remedy lawsuits where developers would actually file litigation and say you have not complied with your affordable housing mandates.
Um you are non-compliant with this fourth round. The court has stripped T-neck of its immunity and so we will file suit and we will get zoning through the courts for a project that will produce affordable units. That zoning
under the builder's remedy situation would be up to the developer and not the town and it would look very different than zoning that you can control as a governing body and planning board. So,
um, from the outset of this process in January, our goal has always been compliance. Um, you know, now in in the middle of October, we are in a position to remain compliant and it is still our goal to be fully
compliant. >> Thank you. So, I have just two quick questions. If I understand I thought our plan was very proactive with building and now you're saying that it is but they want even more than what ex Okay. >> Yes. >> Lastly, you s talked about we have to
identify the sites. >> I think you missed the word and maybe or I misunderstand. We also have to identify and now we have to zone for those sites by March 30th. Is that is that our is that our next project is the sites that were identified. we need to either a zone for them by March 30th and
again if they don't get built that's not on us >> or we lose the uh immunity in theory >> correct and you know one of the arguments that um fair share has advanced in their challenge is we haven't adopted the zoning yet so
they're their participation and you know the participation of other interveners is to ensure sure that the zoning gets adopted >> and and the and the the date is March I think 15th
>> 2026 >> 2026 right >> and the process will be after tonight we bring this in theory after today we bring this to the council >> council starts their process brings it to the planning board planning board back to the council and it's a normally four or five month period so we don't
really have much time >> correct >> okay >> can you when you have a chance um look at our upcoming council meetings and um the timeline and work backwards with us so that we know what we have to accomplish by when so we don't get stuck
with notice notice issues or >> right we just put out a calendar that has not yet been voted in the draft was just sent out to council this week it's usually a heavy meeting agenda heavy amount of meetings in the beginning of the year and I think what deputy mayor Morgan is saying please just make sure
that's the case you may say you know what make another one in March just in case so we avoid the special emergency meetings and everything like that. We can always cancel, but rather than have say we're out of meetings, >> I on that point I think I would recommend that we have an offline just
scheduling conversation. Um because these are zoning ordinances whether it's an overlay zone or if if it's a redevelopment plan for uh certain properties that already exist in redevelopment areas.
Each um each ordinance will need to be referred to the planning board for master plan consistency review which is typical of any zoning ordinance. And so we should coordinate with the planning board and make sure that we're not that we're taking things um you know we don't
we don't want to rush uh and be in a position where we have to review you know five different zoning ordinances on one night. >> So >> well good thing our our planning board chair is a planner so that works out. Last question. I know I keep interrupting if I can ask one more question. What? I read something about
Milbourne Milbour being sanctioned and council members being fined. Can you discuss that for a second? >> Well, Milbour um Milbour lost immunity from builder's remedy suits in their third round compliance
when uh that council refused to move forward with the necessary steps for affordable housing projects that were contemplated. um developers sued um they won builder remedies and the projects are moving
forward um and they are denser, higher, bulkier than what was originally planned. So, you know, the threat of losing immunity is not an empty threat. um it happens
and when it does happen the loss of zoning control is um you know it's something you're not going to get back and it results in projects that are denser higher um and and you know don't
fit in with an aesthetic or the context of the overall town because the only priority the only goal is to put as many units there as possible. >> Okay. Uh thank you for that explanation.
Um I I just wanted to to ask about the the fourth round being that it's a 10-year round. Uh understanding that we're looking at having uh identified sites that will likely produce affordable units. um between now and March 15th, is there uh possibilities
beyond what we're talking about today to identify additional sites that might not be spoken of today? >> I mean, well, you know, fair share is here as an intervenor because they think there are additional sites that we
should include. Now, um, we we we've scoured the tax maps and we've looked at, you know, even listings of properties for sale and, you know, not to call out fair share, but what we've
heard so far is, well, here is an office building that's for sale in Tene. This should be included as a potential redevelopment site. And the argument against that is well the office building is for sale but it's 100% occupied and
tenanted and that is not an actual opportunity to create affordable units. Just because a you know a property exists in the market doesn't mean it should be an apartment building.
>> Understood. So it it's we're we're trying to we're trying to find the balance of >> sure >> you know number one we have a state mandate full stop to provide the number
of units that DCA and the program says we need to have here. >> Got it. But my second part of my question is if it's not market uh properties, privately held properties, perhaps it's um township owned properties, uh could that be a
discussion that could enter in between now and March 15th? >> Well, what we need to we're going to have either certification from the court before December 31st that our existing
plan is compliant or not. and then we have until March 15th to adopt zoning. So the the opportunities I don't know that um we're going to have an opportunity to
reddraft a plan between now and March. Really the the plan that's being evaluated um is the one that was filed with the court. I don't know if Fairshair is going to be successful in identifying
other properties that could yield affordable units. We don't we don't believe that there are otherwise we would have included them in the report so far. Um so it's possible in the future that you
know like you said it's a 10-year compliance. I you know we don't know what's going to happen down the road but we have a very immediate short-term goal of ensuring compliance and keeping our immunity from builder suits.
>> What what's the apartment building that they wanted us to look into? >> I I don't recall the address off the top and it wasn't an apartment building. It was an office building. Yeah. >> Can you send it when you get it? >> Yeah. think I >> think it's 1187 TK Road I believe. No,
it was an even number. 86 >> on TK Road across from U one of our >> It's the southwest corner of Tene Road and Forest Avenue, one site south of the gas station. Right. It's a tutor looking office building which is beautiful and it's fully occupied right over there. Bingo. >> Above T. Uh
>> what's exactly? 1186. What is it? >> Yeah. I have another question. Okay. I understand that, you know, we we we actually filed we we filed the housing um plan with these properties in mind. I I believe at the time we were thinking of this or it was uh kind of like
indicated that these were kind of like placeholders that they weren't like um etched in stone so to speak. Could you speak to that a little bit? >> Can you I don't understand the question. Well, in in other words, when we we first started looking at the housing element, we basically had um said that
these are properties that came forward that to be considered, right, and and uh as a part of the um the 10-year plan for affordable housing. Um and the question is at the time we were saying, are there
any other additional properties that could be considered or potentially even swapped out or exchanged and so forth? And it was I I believe uh my understanding that that was possible. So could you give um some insight as to how
potentially that could happen in order for our township to remain compliant to give what what um you know fair share is looking for what we we we're required to to provide. >> Uh well at this time um we've identified
sites in a housing plan. The sites that were identified were because the property owners said, "Include us in your plan." If we did not include them in the plan, they would be here now
suing us to be included in the plan. We needed these units in order to comply with our our obligation to come up with 115 units with credits. And that was our
obligation after the vacant land adjustment and everything else that went into the housing plan to determine our our final compliance number. Um we are now in a situation where fair
share is intervening and and all of these property owners have intervened to ensure that they are included in the plan and that they will have zoning. Um there may be additional properties
Fairshare identifies and again we don't agree that there are other available properties. Um but this is the plan that Judge Bookbinder is reviewing now. Um
and to the extent that you know there is change in the future I don't I don't know how this is going to uh be decided. I think um if the town moves forward
and adopts zoning for these sites, that should be our full extent of compliance. If these projects get built in the future, I don't know if other opportunities come up in the future. It's possible. I don't know. But it this
is this is a very shortterm goal of compliance with the plan. >> Okay. Jo, do you want to jump any comments or should we start with start with the process?
You're back on. Michael Ash, he um said it well in that it's not unique in that um pretty much every municipality is in this situation with a fair share housing um intervening. Um we are under a new
legislation, new fair housing act, A4 legislation that is different from prior rounds. And so this housing element is working under the uh framework of this new legislation 527D-310 if anybody wants to look it up.
Um you know the main like prongs of a property to be in your plan is that it has to be available, suitable, developable and approvable. These are very defined terms. We find that the um
property owners that came forward um meet these four prongs and um it is worth mentioning you know there is a tight deadline. They know that this is a 10-year plan and so you would think lots of time would go into a 10-year
plan. These rules came out at the end of 2024. In the spring of 2025 was a very short turnaround of assigning the obligation number and then by June of 2025, so literally a half a year, you
had a turnaround. Every municipality had a turnaround under these new rules, under this new framework, under a new president. And so we met these deadlines. We believe that our plan is in full compliance.
And um I don't know if there's any more to add. >> Actually, did you want to comment on that? >> I just want to comment on that. I I I feel that um understanding your your comments about um the legislation that came out when it did and how we've had to react to it,
but um I feel uh as if the township has been under an exceptional amount of pressure to um provide um these sites. And I I I'm concerned that um enough due diligence may not
have been put in place. So I I feel as if um we it's in our best interest in representing our our township, our residents that we do explore
um what other possibilities there might be. understanding that we are looking at a December 31st deadline, understanding that we understand private property rights and not every, you know, person's going to step up and say, "Hey, I have a
property I want to develop." Um, but I I think we need to maybe think outside the box as to what our options are and as our township subject matter experts that you all
would advise us accordingly. >> Okay. Um, with that, why don't we start? Any particular order you want to go in with these sites or just start? Okay, we'll start with the agenda. American Legion Drive, Beverly Road, Crossroads. If you could just explain my This says
redevelopment plan. This one's a little bit some of the words are different. For example, number six, 143 State Street says schedule for introduction adoption of redevelopment plan where the rest talk about overly zoning. Can you just explain that difference there? >> Sure. So, um if you look on page two of
the agenda, um there is a uh it's a chart that comes right out of our fair share housing plan, right? And this this is this chart is the whole ball game. This is where the rubber meets the road. This is where we're
saying these are these are the units and how we comply. And so of these sites, um, the first one, you know, 140 State Street, that has already been approved. That was
that was in a scattered site redevelopment area. Um, a redevelopment plan was adopted for this site in, I believe, March, and this project actually already received site
plan approval. So for those watching at home, fair share and special adjudicator, we've already approved one of our projects, went to the planning board, received site plan approval. There are um you know, five other sites
identified here. Um Cedar Lane and American Legion Drive is in a designated redevelopment area. The first item on the agenda this morning is to uh review a draft of that redevelopment plan. A
redevelopment plan was prepared with uh crossroads the and stop and shop who were parties to a settlement agreement um that resulted from litigation that challenged the redevelopment area
designation. So that redevelopment plan includes um with bonus credits 72 units in satisfaction and in furtherance of TX
compliance with our fourth round affordable plan. uh Crossroads through their council sent a letter back in May and said, "Please include us in your fourth round
affordable housing plan." And so we did. Uh American Legion Drive and 143 State Street are in existing redevelopment areas. And so um and this is, you know,
this is the council's discretion. the likely mechanism for controlling that zoning going forward is a redevelopment plan. The um the next three, 827 Tanac Road, 1387 Hill, 54 West
Anglewood, uh to my knowledge are not in existing redevelopment areas. And so, uh it will require overlay zoning in order to create the inclusionary affordable housing.
question. 54 West England Avenue, I believe, is an AINR. >> Okay. >> So, wouldn't that be already in a redevelopment zone? >> If it's already in a designated redevelopment area, then it would be your choice whether to >> got nothing changes because that that's okay. I just want to make sure you know that.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. So, let's start. Um, applicant for American Legion Drive, Beverly Road Crossroads Redevelopment Plan. Good morning everybody. Uh Jason Suvel, attorney for the applicant. Um as Mike
has indicated, uh we've been working very hard with both the township's professionals and also Stop and Shop in connection with this redevelopment plan. Um but this process started in 2020 actually. We've been at this for a long
time to try to get this project um off the ground. Um, we've had multiple community meetings in connection with this application or this project, more than I can think of of any other project that I personally have worked on and all the municipalities that I've done
projects in. Um, there's been a lot of modifications to the plan based on township feedback, public feedback, stop and shops feedback. um that has made its way into this final version or I'll call it a
final draft version of the plan that obviously the township still has to um examine and sign off on. But just to bring everybody back a little bit um and I know there's there's a lot on the agenda, so I'm not going to spend a ton of time going through every little detail, but there have been many
modifications to the plan. So the dense initial density was reduced. The building setbacks on Beverly Road uh were were also uh taken into place to consideration. We also uh modified the open space by providing more open space in connection uh with this with this
project. Um we've talked about parking ratios. Um we've talked about building heights. All of these things have been modified um in order to um accommodate and address concerns raised by multiple interested parties that are that are part of this process. So where we are
now is at a point where I believe the township's professionals at least are comfortable with the plan. Obviously, it's subject to the council's review and the um the developer is comfortable with the plan where it is now in a draft form and stop and shop is comfortable um and
their attorney is here as well um as part of this uh as part of this process. There's clearly, you know, this would have to go to a site plan. There's clearly engineering items that would need to be addressed as part of any application before a board. We understand that. But for purposes of the
zoning aspect of this, the redevelopment aspect of this, we believe we're in a really good spot for the township now to consider this redevelopment plan amendment. Just to kind of go over it again at a high level. Um, and I was going to have Anthony
Vulpi from Crossroads go over it just because he knows this plan better than anyone, but we're talking about 318 um, residential units, um, garage parking of 873 spaces, street parking of
61 spaces, um, 12,000 ft of commercial, and 15,350 ft of um of public space. Remember, there's three buildings that are associated with this uh with this project. We have the area to the north
of Cedar Lane along Beverly, and we have the areas south of Cedar Lane near Stop and Shop that um there's obviously part of a land swap where the properties will be reconfigured. But those are the three three buildings. I can go into each one
of them and how many units each one has. I'm happy to go into that detail. Um go ahead. >> What is the next step? Um I I see you have a plan drafted. So in coordination with um our steps, you have a redevelopment plan, which I see obviously right there, you're looking to
the next step, but usually this goes to council. Is that correct? >> Right. I mean, listen, we've worked on the redevelopment plan with your professionals and stop and shop. Obviously, the the township council has to review it and make sure that they're comfortable with what we've prepared. Um, I think we're at a point now where
the council has to review it and then if they the council's comfortable with it, it would be put at a meeting to be introduced. Um, and then it would be referred as we talked about earlier to the planning board for consistency with the master plan and then it would go for for a public hearing after that.
>> When does this get sent to the council then? And when is it public? >> The actual plan itself. >> Yeah. If it's when does council start looking at this? >> I I would defer to Mike on that. you know, he has to provide the draft plan to you if he hasn't already and you have
to give it your consideration and whether you want to introduce it. >> Yeah, the the draft plan is available. Um there's actually a link to it in this agenda. I believe it's hosted on the township website and so you know at your discretion.
They're your meetings. You know, you can decide when that gets introduced. um with the caveat that uh March 15th is the deadline for having the zoning uh
documents in place. >> So council gets this plan in theory this afternoon. It's already public and they'll review it at an upcoming upcoming meeting. If they approve it, they're going to send this to the planning board. The planning board's going to review it and send it back to the council for final approval. >> Right. >> That's the steps.
>> That's the steps. >> Okay. Okay. So, >> mayor, if I could jump in, Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> This is Scott Salmon. Uh, what what I would suggest to council is that we have a before before it gets introduced uh at a meeting if we could have the uh the developer present it to the public at a
full uh at a council meeting. Uh I think the next meeting is on the 11th or 10th or 11th I think November. Um if they can pres present it then to the public what what the plan currently is then I think we should introduce it after that. >> Understood. Monday, November 10th. Yeah,
I mean it's not >> Let me just rather than committing to it to the date right now, let me just confirm that I'm good, that cross is good, and we have all the relevant parties available. >> No problem. So, our me our next meeting and thank you very much, Mr. Solomon. That's a good idea. So, we don't just rush it through and it shows up on an agenda. We'll send it out in the next
few days. It'll be reviewed and it'll be presented by you. Our next up, our upcoming meetings are on Monday, November 10th, and then on the 7th. So >> just so just to be clear, the the the goal would be at that meeting just to
>> even though we've done this many many times before, but to present the final plan to the um to the public, to the council in terms of the draft, then >> everybody would just listen at that point >> and then we would introduce it at another meeting after that if governing
body felt it was appropriate. >> Yep. That's also if you >> So I I actually have a big issue with that. We met months ago to discuss um the drainage and we got two plans back uh our engineers from the engineers from the developer and none of them neither
of them were what was discussed and now in um the redevelopment plan if you look at oh it's still not clear it op offers two options uh to be worked out with the engineer but I'm not comfortable voting on this unless that that engineering
work is done and approved by our engineers. So, so we've been kicking the can with this, but that's a sticking point for me. I don't think you should be presenting at a meeting until that's worked out with the township's engineers. >> So, to jump in, I jump in. I I think I I
agree. Sorry, this Scott. I agree and I think that's why the the public presentation is beneficial. That way, we are clear to everyone involved what exactly we're we're moving forward on. >> Sorry, Scott. Mhm. >> The last plan that was sent back um
>> was months ago and we still haven't heard and that has to be worked out. It's it's got to be figured out. The town and it it says it here in O that the town is doing everything we can to remediate the the flooding there, but putting a building there will make that
worse. and without a specific plan that our engineers are okay with to handle the what the building is going to do for flooding there. I I don't see how you can present to us. That was the sticking point and it we had private meetings. We had two separate meetings about it and
um haven't seen anything yet. >> Well, we've been working diligently with the township's engineer on this issue. But just to be just just so everybody's aware, per D rules and storm water management rules, we have to make the the storm water better. So the the
regulations require we cannot make it worse. It's our engineering that has to go through for a site plan application at some point. We have to abide by all the storm mortar management rules. So all those rules which have been modified twice in the last five years. I think
it's 2019 and 2021. Um, those dates are a little off. I apologize, but they've been modified twice by the D to make them more stringent. We have to abide by those rules and the municipality had to adopt an ordinance to that effect. So, I I don't disagree with what you're saying in terms of making sure that the
highlevel analysis as to how the drainage is going to be worked out is there's a meeting of the minds between the township engineer and the developers engineer. That's fine. I just want to make it clear though, the application has to make it better. Like we we we but
legally we are required to do that. So I just want everybody to understand that. >> But and that being said, I I I understand there's been a lot of time between the presentations. Um, you know, I I would not feel comfortable voting on this without it going before a public hearing, so a public uh community
meeting so that people can understand what are the changes, what has been uh so I I don't think we could even think about putting this on uh the agenda for a November meeting. >> No, I agree 100% because what you're saying is completely valid. We have not met on this in probably I don't know,
it's maybe been almost a year since since we met with the public on it. So, I don't disagree because I think the public and the council want to see what the final iteration of the plan is based on all the hard work that have has gone back and forth with the professionals and stop and shop. I I think that's a
great idea. I just want to make sure I just wanted to reassure um Deputy Mayor Organ that no matter what storm water plan we decide, no matter what the engineers figure out between the developers engineer and the township engineer, the drainage has to be legally
the drainage has to be either improved or stay the same. We can't make it work. >> It's fine. But but we met and we discussed something and we got back something completely different and and we sent it back and then we got back something different again. It it >> it it needs to be
>> I'm fine with that >> what we're comfortable with and and there's still time now. I know your engineer has had it for a while, so I assume he's aware of of what we asked. Maybe he could put something together before our next meeting. >> Just just to be clear also, we can have
a highlevel approach to the drainage that's been agreed upon by the township and the developer. That's fine. But final drainage plans would never be done until a full site plan was submitted to the planning board. But I hear what you're saying. You want the, you know, the approach to be agreed upon between
the township and the developer before the the ordinance is introduced. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> All right. So then maybe we'll aim for the December 9th meeting and gives us time to put that together every time everyone to review it and we still fall within our deadlines on that. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean, as much as the developer obviously wants to move
quickly, um you know, I think we we can move expeditiously while still adhering to the time frames that are um have been given by the Fair Housing Act. >> No, 100%. We don't want to miss the December 9th meeting because then we get the whole well, it's the holidays and then the holidays is January and then it's the snow date and there's a storm
in a state of emergency and we miss three meetings because of it. >> Um Okay. >> Do you do you want us to go? I don't think so because we still have I mean we can do that but we have these other ones that have to be also addressed because we're going to be going through these plans the next few months. So if you
want to give a 60-second version I don't want to rush it but we have months to work on this. So >> Okay. No, that's fine. I just wanted just >> Yeah. What you Why don't you take us through the plans for a few minutes it it it will be public as well and then we'll spend the next few months going through it. >> What's that? >> No, I was just going to go through each
building because I think people from the public want to know like what's on what's in each building. Just just understand this is a quick version because we're going to you're going to present at the council anyways. I just don't want anyone in the room to say why didn't you. So this is the do it. So we check that box ahead of it's a preview.
>> You want Yeah. Uh good morning everybody. Um Anthony Vulpi from Crossroads Company's a proposed developer. Um just on on the drainage point um I totally hear what you're saying. I do believe there were subsequent conversations
between our engineers and the township engineers and they have agreed on a path forward that I think township engineers are comfortable with. So I just I don't want you to feel like we haven't been addressing that because I think we have and I think your I think your engineers would confirm that but we can provide
additional detail on that point. Um you want to do the building so that >> yeah I'll be brief. So if it are you just go to that concept. Jason stole my thunder. He did a good job of explaining the plan. But basically what we have is a total of 318
units. Um 873 parking spaces in the garage and garages. Uh 61 street spaces, 12,000 square ft of commercial office space and and over 15,000 square feet of public space. Um
I thought they were going to bring the visual up, but we have the building that's on uh the corner of Beverly and Garrison is a freestanding parking garage, which would be three stories in height. Um next to that, connected to it, we have a onele parking garage and
three levels of residential above it for a total of four stories. Um that building has 96 apartments. It houses the 12,000 ft of commercial. It has 590 spaces in the parking garage and it has 12,000 square feet of public open space
on the corner of Beverly and Garrison. There we go. Um, so that was at the top of the page there. Moving south of Cedar to the left of American Lee, >> right? And and the open space would include our farmers market, >> correct? We spoke with farmers market
representative and spoke with the representative and it's and that can house approximately 25 to 30 tents which was is what you currently have at the farmers market. Um so moving south of Cedar, the L-shaped
building we refer to as building A. Uh that's a fourstory building was originally proposed as six. We've reduced that in height. Um it has 94 apartments. Uh we have 113 spaces in the garage and then we have uh about 33
street spaces now on American Legion and an additional I think 19 or so on Alma Terrace. Um and and that and and that building adjacent to it right in the front of the short Lshape, which you can't really see from this angle, has
over 3,000 square ft of public open space as well. >> And that's what would be used with for the food pantry. a never never alone food pantry. >> We hadn't really discussed any specific uses, but it's it's available for our >> And how many affordable units total affordable?
>> Total affordable throughout all three buildings would be 48. >> 48. And what percentage is that? >> 15%. And as a developer, would you be willing to go higher on that percentage of affordable units? >> We've we've really been talking about 15% since we started this process 5
years ago. and and you know we feel that all things considered all the other you know things that are being added to the project um we think 15% is the appropriate amount >> considering that we're faced with um you know what we're faced with with with um
producing the number of units would that be a possibility something that you could >> I think we've demonstrated our willingness to work with the town and so my answer is we're always willing to work with you guys more um it it has to be a global discussion there's a lot of moving parts with this project and
making sure that it actually gets built is something we can't lose sight of and the economics do matter. So that's that's what that's how I would respond at this point but I'm happy to continue the discussion. >> Thank you. >> Um lastly the building B all the way to
the south which is what we call American Legion West or I'm sorry that's American Legion East. Um that is a six-story building with 128 apartments and 170 parking spaces and the two levels of parking. And that is the piece of the uh the deal
that is a land swap with the the stop and chop the owner of of the stop and shop. Crossroads currently owns as you know the Buddhist center um which is currently located in front of the the stop and shop. The idea is uh by swapping land we completely open up the
frontage for stop and shop. We give them a new parking um surface parking lot which with better visibility and then the the building B is is from a planning perspective its location you know where it is on this current plan makes more
sense. >> Development plan settlement agreement. This something that stop and shop typically wanted. Uh we have to provide oxy parking both on terrace and um pen additional spaces. Stop and shop part
that would be done by separate ordinance not permits part. >> Any other question? >> Excellent. Let's um let's start setting it out. You heard what we had to say. Let's go through those processes and let's go on to the next uh next quadrant.
>> Okay. Excellent. >> Thank you everybody. >> All right. Thank you very much. Okay. 1387 Hill Street. >> Yeah. So, let me make sure Andrew puts that one off. You do. >> I trust them. >> All right.
Okay. So, this is 1387 Hill Street. Um the developer here is Aram Holer who also developed um TX Square um here as well, which is really like one of the first newer multif family buildings uh within the municipality. So, if
everybody recalls, um, this project was actually approved at the zoning board and the way that it was approved was was was not really worth building. And Mr. Hoser then purchased the property from a pri from the previous owner and re-evaluated it. And we came to the
zoning subcommittee with a 16-unit project um at a 15% set aside. And I believe it was um Councilwoman Belchure who actually challenged us to provide 20% versus 15%. So what we did here is we came back um and this was part of our
proposal for the housing plan which was accepted by the municipality. We were doing a 20 unit building here. Um this site is is been vacant for a long period of time. It's surrounded by other multif family buildings. So it would be it's pretty consistent with the area. So we
would redevelop it with a 20 unit building with a 20% set aside which would be four units. So, I just wanted everybody to see where it's located within the municipality. It's obviously surrounded by um by other multif family buildings. Andrew, if you go if you go
up. Okay, that's just another perspective. Again, as property's been vacant, which is pretty rare in a Bergen County municipality that you have a vacant piece of property, but we actually have one here. And then keep going up. Um Andrew, just so everybody could see. Just wanted to get to the buildings. No,
to the buildings. So, sorry. Go down. Am I saying go up? Go down. Sorry. Oh, so then go to the next um go to the next one. There you go. Okay. So, it's it's it's a four-unit building. The um the sorry uh a 20 unit building, four
affordable units. Um I can give you the breakdown on how it is in terms of um the number of uh of onebs and two bedrooms. The architect is actually on the Zoom and he can go through it if you'd like. Um Joseph, are you on?
We're fine. That that'll be as we get further with the project. We've had this a few times before. >> Yeah. So, basically based on the prior zoning subcommittee um meetings, we came back with what was um required of us, which was 20 units, 20 um% set aside
redevelopment of this existing project. It would not it's not an AINR, it's a or redevelopment area. It would be an overlay zoning for this property. >> Any other any specific questions about it? >> So, this will start the zoning and we'll we'll go wrap up. We'll go to the next
steps on this. >> Yeah, we I can send to your um professionals. Um Mike already already has it. Um we have a zoning analysis here with all the bulk requirements that we've done. Um there'd be 25 parking
spaces um as that are part of it. And we obviously would provide the the bedroom distribution in the units, the requisite number of twos, number of threes that are required under the U-Hack regulations. >> Okay. Excellent. >> All right. >> And 827 TK Road.
>> Okay. So, Conrad Rancotti is on the Zoom. He's the architect for 827 TK Road. I think it'd be better if he presents that one. >> And this is where we had the community meeting as well. We've had multiple general meetings and community meetings
on this project. >> You see him on there? Okay. Conrad, are you are you there? >> And then >> and then Andrew, I would take down this exhibit so that he could chair the 827
road exhibit. And just while he's getting them, this would be a 30, this would be uh 30 units with a 20% um set aside >> 15% in the community meeting. We came out and the subzoning we council deputy
mayor belt asked for 20% here as well. >> Right. And then we also had community a community meeting on this and discussed it with the zoning subcommittee. There were there were different approaches to the site. The site's almost completely paved with the um with the restaurant located on it. The issue was do we have
a fourstory building that's spread out further along the property with setbacks that are closer to the residential area or do we add a story to the building and set it back further from the um from the residential area. I'm not speaking for the residents. I think that many of them
had some concerns about the project. However, I think some of them did say if given the choice, if they had to have the project, they prefer the taller building with the further setback than the smaller building that was further towards the east, which would be towards the residential area heading um heading
east. So, that was what was discussed at the at the community meeting. >> I think there was a lot of um hate and anger towards the current establishment as well. >> Yeah. No, I I >> the chicken bones being left on the residents front um stoops. >> Okay. So, what do we
Are we waiting for him to put it up? Is that what we're doing? >> Did you Andrew, did you um >> I am screen sharing. >> Okay. So, while he's doing that, let's just go back to 1387. The next steps on 1387. Can that be sent over to council for the start to process? Would that would be uh Mike, would that would be
the next step on 1387? Okay. So, let's if you can coordinate with the clerks and managers, >> I've sent these plan the plans that were on the screen. I've sent to Mr. >> A. Okay. Okay. >> All right. So, Conrad, you there? Yes. And I am screen sharing. >> All right. Let uh Can you make it Can
you make it a little louder so everybody can hear? >> I can talk louder if that helps. Jason. >> Yeah. Just I don't know if everybody in the public can hear you, Conrad. So, just try to speak as loud as possible. >> Absolutely. Can you see my screen?
>> Yeah, the screen's up. Conrad, go ahead. >> Okay. Good morning, everyone. Um this is a very uh short presentation only a couple of slides. Uh as council said this is the existing Regina's site as
it's known corner of Tene Road and Gulf Court. Uh the exhibit that I have up on the left hand side of the screen is a current survey. The building is located at the corner right up against the intersection of Gulf and Teneck Road is
of course across from the uh library municipal complex. Um the parking exists u in its current configuration on the east and north side of uh the property. We had looked, as uh council mentioned,
into a fourstory building uh that would really consume the entirety of the site. We're opting and proposing for what we feel is a better option, which is a fivestory building, but with a very
small footprint. And you'll notice that the blue proposed footprint is only a little bit larger than the existing footprint of the current building. Extending that footprint eastward um
into the area that's currently where uh trash and a refrigerated box is located. The parking layout would remain mostly the same. We would be adding some tandem spots in the front. We're proposing 28
units uh with 36 parking spaces. The next few slides are massing of this fivestory building. It's four stories with a mansar top. Uh the building uh again
located primarily over the footprint of the current building. This is another view uh southwest looking northeast at Teneck Road and Gulf at the right side of the volume. This is rotating
around the site looking more in a southerntherly uh direction. Um this parking again would remain fundamentally the same. We believe the benefit of this plan over a larger footprint building is
that this building would maintain most of the separation to the adjacent uh structures, residential and commercial. And then last view and a rendering of what the building could
look like. Again, this is as if we're heading northbound on T-neck Road. Golf uh court is to the right. The building sitting on the corner, one, two, three, four stories. And then the fifth uh
massing and aesthetically uh cut back a little bit with the introduction of a mansard roof detail. Definitely think that's a great addition. Um, you send anything else? We're good.
>> Yeah, on this one. I don't have I don't have the zoning table done completely with the architect. So, we'll work on that and then send it to um township's professional. >> But just don't make it, if you don't mind, don't make it our problem if you get it in February and then we have to rush it like the standard at home
applicant. I submitted my plans yesterday. Can I get my permit tomorrow? So just just keep that. We need time on our end. >> Yeah. Conrad, how much time do you think we need to finalize, you know, the for the purposes of the ordinance, they're going to need a bulk bulk table? Um, how
much time do you think you need to get that done? >> Well, we have a survey of the property, so I think we could develop a bulk table in in two weeks time. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, just keep the schedule in mind. >> No, understood. >> Sorry. Schedule, holidays, weather. Those are the
>> I know municipalities, Thanksgiving, holidays that you know it all comes in. >> Um well, you've had your snow issues in the e state of emergencies also when those meetings get cancelled. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um 54 West Anglewood, >> right? So, I didn't have uh digital set
sets on this one, but Mr. Blake has um a plan right here that we could show. So, Chris, you want to show this one? We just go through it. And I believe if you could just take us to the prior subzoning committees, um, Deputy Mayor Beltrid asked for a few deliverables. I think he wanted to
purchase the site next door and lower a floor. Is that where we're at right now or I guess you'll show us? >> So, we're not at that point. Go ahead. Go ahead, Chris. Yeah, we'll go through it and then we can we can talk about that. >> Yeah, let's let's do this too because let's make sure the public can see. So
if you want Okay. What we're proposing is is developing the corner of West Englewood and I think it's Mercuro Terrace. Um the the property consists of
what? three prop three lots at this point or is it I believe it property consists of three lots and all along the Mercer terrace corridor if you will. Um what we're
proposing is a singlestory garage structure on the first floor. So the first floor becomes a garage structure. We're proposing 55 parking spaces at the current moment. Um we're we're studying the idea of
having either oneway directional in and out kind of mentality or to have some tandem parking spaces to increase that number. Parking is our concern. Um we're proposing three stories above that with a total of 53
apartment units. 47 of those units would be onebedrooms, three would be two bedrooms, and three would be three bedrooms. We're proposing 15% of that to be the affordable housing. Um the the first floor obviously besides
the parking has a little lobby and the additional three floors above that. will contain about 15 units each. Um again the the long elevation at the bottom there refers to the Mercuro terrace kind of side of the street. We have garage entrances there on the lower
level. We have some, you know, rather fake balconies, little one and two, two foot deep balconies just to give it some character and some curb appeal. And then the base of the building with the front doors in the lobby base, West Englewood
ter West Anglewood Road. Um, and we're trying to keep it in the in the little bit of a residential character with slope roofs and double hung windows and things of that nature. Um, we have residential characteristics,
single family residential characteristics to the south of this property where to the north of the property is more multifamily and commercial. >> Can you review the affordable units again? How many affordable units are there?
>> 15% of the 53 would be >> Belure. It's in >> four, I believe. >> Yeah. If you just rather than than guessing pull in your plan, >> if you go to the fourth ground housing plan. >> Yeah. I'm just thinking in case people that are watching don't have it.
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. So the actually I think it was on the agenda, right? >> Yeah. >> Second page. >> I think that was a good idea to put that on there. Um so this property would have 11 affordables. >> Um >> yeah, thank you. Just in case people
don't have this, it's a good good idea to include >> it's a 20% set aside. >> Yeah, 20% just to be >> Can I ask a question and maybe I'm interrupting? I apologize. Um and maybe it's to you, Mike. What if the applicant is not gives us these plans on March
14th where you know we I think it's a nice flow we have here. We're going to do a little more work on the drainage on American Legion Drive. Hill Street and Tene Road will be the upstart at those meetings. So I I think we're smoothing out. But what what if for example this is not clearly ready for submission yet?
What if it gets too close? If all of a sudden they walk in the door March 14th and say approve. >> Yeah. You got to remember he is a litigant. He is an intervenor challenger. >> He is part of this process now. And so he can't say I'm holding back the zoning
or I'm I'm being somehow with the zoning and then making us >> try at the same time. >> Hypothetical. Again, I'm going hypothetical that if all of a sudden this isn't ready and then you give it to us on okay, February 28th, what
>> Well, I think at at a certain point, and I don't know what date on the calendar that would be, but you know, Golda is perfectly capable of drafting a zoning ordinance for a project at a certain density that has been identified here,
and you know, we could adopt that without a certain level of detail. that >> that's right. I just don't want to get to a point where they're they delay us and then we can't get it done then we lose builder's remedy because of it. It's a nice little scam on the developers part. So like >> I I think what you're asking is can we
come up with our timeline and give you a date of when we need it by >> Yes. And and let me let me underscore this for everyone. They control property and they've said we have a we have property and we have a
desire to develop it. You control the zoning and that's that's a lot of control o over what goes on here. So you can you can adopt zoning without them as long as it's going to comply
with the density and the requirements and you could do it you could do it on your time frame. we could do anything we want and then we wind up in court and then we pay the legal fees. So I'm just trying to avoid all the last seconds. So it was not personal towards Conor and the owner has been there numerous times. I just >> I just got in my mind that we you know
>> ju just remember and I was trying to make this point um when um deputy mayor was talking about the drainage and I understand American Legion drive is one of is a larger project so that maybe that that one is a little bit different and it's a redevelopment plan so there can be other considerations that are
given as part of it. So, but on on these other projects, we're really just talking about the bulk of the bulk standards and the uses. We're not talking about designing the storm water at this point. We're not talking about the the lighting at this point and those types of items. So, I think to the to
the township's concern, we will provide all the information we can on on these to create the overlay zones, but obviously then again, it's up to the town to look at them and decide what they want to do with these. Sorry, I just wanted to put out that that that timeline out there because >> Yeah. No. Was there any other questions
on on 54 West Angle? >> I I I don't have any more. Do you have any more you for now? I mean, well, this one's a little bit behind more behind the other ones, but >> Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. Thank you for clarifying. It is 20% on on this, >> right? I think we had that conversation, right? That's right. Thank you. And the
math said 20%. Okay. To the mic and you No. Is it on now? >> Now it's on. >> So the ordinances need to be adopted by March to meet one of those prongs of
approvable. That's kind of the crux of that. You know, approvable is that it's zoned for realistic opportunity. But I think we could have an amendment if it was to do design. If there's a certain type of architecture, maybe an amendment. But the I'm kind of looking
at you, Michael. Maybe we should look into this. we just try to avoid that because with fair share her we don't we don't want to give any any leeway for any could have should have maybe let's just get it done >> just let's we have plenty of time now but let's just make sure that we do it
because unfortunately when we go to court we know how that always ends for us like um okay so then let's go on counter thank you very much um let's go on to >> the last one is 143 >> 143 Street >> so this isn't a project this is a property that's been designated as an
area in need of redevelopment. It was part of the scattered site study that the township did as part of the you know in at TAC road street area queen and road area. >> Thank you. And we really prefer to keep vacant windshield repair at the corner for 25 years instead. And I actually
have to commend the state whoever came up with the idea of a bonus credit for non-residential conversion is is genius just taking these old non properties and giving us credit for it. How are we doing on 140? By the way, we breaking ground soon. I see the
developers here. >> Shovels. >> Well, I can speak to uh we are uh completing uh construction documents and uh we are to complete them by the end of December and then they're going to be bidding and as soon as they can start, they will. >> Got it. Yeah.
>> Adam, ready for that? Um was >> have a question on um for for Jason on 54 West Anglewood Avenue. What's status of the acquisition of the the property next door because that was kind of the
contingency, right? That was a Yeah, we were saying that as he was they were working. >> Um Conrad Conrad Conrad Conrad, right? No, you show who >> we have. >> No, okay, good. >> You do have it. >> Okay. Conway. Sorry,
>> we sent this to the to the clerk. I just want to make sure that they uh bring it up. you with the fence. No, this one's a little bit different because they got bonus. They have credits for both rounds. So that's why it's in the third round and the fourth
round for that one because No, no, no. But it's from two. Yeah. But but this one's 20. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. Right. >> I think we're Yeah. So, we'll we'll be quicker here. Um this is uh as you know,
143 State Street, right across the street from 140 State Street. Uh if you if you remember uh we did get our approvals on that one and as we just mentioned we're working on construction documents. So the the client is the same client is ready to start there uh probably right in the beginning of the
year uh in on on 140 state street. Uh this one it's very similar in in how we approach the site. There is a lower parking level that you enter from uh Queen. There's a another parking level that you enter from State Street. And uh the building is very similar in height.
It's a, you know, it's a 4 over one. Uh, the other building across the street is a five over one. So, this is slightly uh lower in terms of height. Um, we do have a roof deck here. So, you can see the the stair protrudes over on the top floor there. And there's a there's a
full roof deck here. Well, much like the other side as well. So, this building is at around 67 feet. The other one is at around 70. The road is a little different in height. So, the buildings will be almost the same height in in a way. Um but you know the unit count here
is uh we have 41 units. One of the units really that we're showing is a management unit. The client said we're going we're going to have you know over 100 units between the two buildings. They would like to have a management uh person living in the building in the vicinity to be able to take care of the
two. So we show 41 units but it's really 40 units with this one management studio. It's a small studio unit that we put in here uh for a management resident. Um and uh we have uh the breakdown is 16 uh two-bedroom units, 24
onebedrooms, and then the one studio for the management resident uh residents and we have 40 uh 50 parking spaces here on this um the building if you can switch just to go through the other sheets quickly with you. So this is the lower
parking level that you went uh from this is actually the upper I think you two maybe. Yeah. Okay. One, one back. Okay, next one then. Okay. Yeah, I think the slides are So, this is a site plan. Uh, as as you know, again on Queen Annie
State Street, south of the blue square there. Uh, there we go. It's okay. Let's let's go with this. So, this is the lower lower parking entrance. You enter from Queenain and you enter the parking garage on the left side there on Queen
and you slope down slightly and then down here you have uh you know our lobby and all the mechanical rooms. Next sheet. Uh okay my slides I apologize my slides are out of order. So the the blue is the
site of course the site on the site south uh of the page here around the corner is the 140 state street site. Next. Uh, and this is the upper parking level. Uh, this is where you went from State Street and you ramp up. So, we have the two levels. They're not
connected via ramp on interior ramp. Uh, so that we can provide more parking. >> Same exact >> exact same thing. And then uh we are also providing a retail space at the corner much like what we did across the street. I think it was a nice thing right to anchor this corner with both
buildings have a small retail space there and then our lobby right at the middle next please. Uh and this is our typical floor plan. Uh this floor has a a small courtyard that we open towards uh State Street and then we have an amenity in pink there. That amenity
stacks up and next slide please. Uh one more. And this is the management unit that I mentioned before. It's a small, you know, studio unit for a management resident. Next is light, please. And this is a roof deck, as you can see. Quite generous, uh, roof deck. Um, so
we're we're doing much what we're doing across the street. There's a little small turf area and seating area for the residents. Um, and that's essentially it. I mean, the units, >> how many, sorry, 45 units? >> 40. >> 40. We already negotiate. And how much?
>> And affordable. I I think we negotiated affordable. We renegotiate 20%. Just want to make sure. Yes. Actually a little bit more than 20 on this fair call. Um could you just total off the different isn't 146 over one. >> Uh it's it's a five over one. Yeah. P
across the street is five levels of resident. I thought it was seven stories total. Okay. I apolog >> uh it was uh yes 66 I think it was. >> 66. Okay. >> It's been tremendous. >> Got it. We look forward to that groundbreaking. >> Uh 6 to6. >> And how are you in terms of ready for
presentation with this particular plan for submission? Not I mean for for >> we we have the book, we have civil, we have everything. >> So you'll work with our attorneys and and planners and getting this stuff together. >> No. >> Okay. >> Now you know the in in terms of the 20%
uh if the one unit is triggering an additional affordable unit, I think the client would rather not even have the measurement just because you know it's it's it's a 0 2, right? And 20% is already because I was just talking to you outside while you're presenting. So we'd rather
>> pretty sure we can't put the hat back in that box. >> Yeah, >> we got Okay, understood. We presented all the plans. Michael, did you want to chime in on anything? Are you guys ready to start um this?
>> That That's it for the agenda. Um and so I think we know what we need to do and um you know, you'll set the schedule and uh we'll report back to
the program judge and special adjudicator that we are complying. Excellent. Um, Mr. Manager, anything? Mr. Zoning Officer, we're ready to stuff. Deputy Mayor, >> I mean, aside from the fact that we really need to coordinate with the planning board since it needs to go
council planning council, um, maybe check the dates for next year, make sure they line up with council meeting. >> So, can we can we set up a call or meeting with the um clerk, the planning board for so we coordinate the planning board meetings as well as the council
meetings in sync to avoid all this? >> Yes. And >> we said beforehand council, but I'm saying we had that planning board come >> if it's up to it's up to the township and up to the planning board, but if the planning board had a subcommittee, obviously we can't meet with the full planning board had it ahead of a
meeting, but if the planning board wanted to do a subcommittee meeting where we pre where we talked about these plans ahead of the actual consistency review so that they're, you know, more informed or educated on the plan, we're happy to do that also if that's something people would think is beneficial. >> Okay. I we also have our planning board
on the leazison on there. So again, this all for making sure everybody's aware put it all out there before November 1 so everyone has months to plan this. Yeah. >> Okay. Um with that being said, there is nothing else on our agenda. We don't want to do any new business. I think we said that. So um we'll we'll adjourn.
>> Okay. Thank you. Excellent. Thank you very much. Thank you.