Am I on? >> Yep. >> Oh, you got Councilwoman Goldberg >> here. >> Councilman Pagon >> here. >> Councilwoman G >> here. >> Councilman Katz >> here. >> Deputy Mayor Belchure >> here. >> Deputy Mayor Organ
>> here. >> Mayor Schwarz >> here. >> Adequate notice of this meeting has been provided by resolution number 300-2024. sending a copy to the newspaper is officially designated for 2025 by the resolution number 2-2025.
Finally, a copy in the township clerk's office and posting it on the municipal building bulletin board and the mayor hereby directs that the statement be included in the minutes. >> Thank you very much. Welcome everyone. The township administration president at tonight's meeting are Jacqueline Hashmad
our township manager Doug Greion our township clerk Christristen Denori our deputy township clerk Scott Salman our township attorney Mike Ash our township redevelopment attorney Ron Gman our volunteer cable master for the public's information we're currently holding a hybrid format meeting we have people in
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contracts, zoning, monuments, legal issues or opinions regarding any items on the open session agenda, litigation updates, and OPRA. And before we start, happy holidays to everyone who is observing. With that, we will start our meeting and
go right into our first, which I believe is a presentation. And our first order is going to be a presentation by Crossroads on the American Legion Drive update. Attorney, if you want to start that off or Mr. Ash, please start. >> Uh, good evening, Mayor and Council.
I just want to um briefly introduce this presentation uh this evening. Um this this presentation will be by uh Crossroads who is presenting uh a project that um we've talked about uh
extensively for the past few years. This results um initially from a settlement agreement between the township crossroads and stop and shop. Uh there have been a number of community engagement and input meetings uh over
the years. Uh this developer crossroads has um has been in front of the zoning subcommittee on multiple occasions bringing different iterations of this project concept um for consideration by the the zoning subcommittee and the
public at large. Um right now uh the current status is there is a draft redevelopment plan that has been prepared by the township's redevelopment planner topology. Um the redevelopment
plan is in furtherance of and in compliance with the settlement agreement between the township and stop and shop. Um, stop and shop has um reviewed and um
provided, you know, revisions that are acceptable to Stop and Shop and we believe we have a a draft of that redevelopment plan that um is acceptable to Crossroads, acceptable to stop and shop and now um over the next few weeks
it'll be presented to the township council for your approval. This process will be just like all redevelopment plans. Um that is uh adopted as an ordinance.
That is not on your agenda this evening. However, tonight the developer wants to present the latest iteration of the concept and and demonstrate to you, present to you and the public what is in the redevelopment plan and and how it how it
outlines the project concept that they they want to put forward. I also want to mention that this project um is included in TX's approved fair share housing plan
uh which the planning board and and the town of SH council adopted back in June of this year. Um not only is this project included in that plan, it's a significant component of that plan. And
by significant, of the 124.5 affordable units slashcredits that Tene is committed to providing in this fourth round compliance which is due by the end of this year, December 31st, 2025.
This project alone provides 48 total affordable units and under the fourth round methodology will result in a total of 72 bonus credits with the units. So out of
124 12 this project alone provides 72 of your 124 and a2. The runner show uh for this presentation is uh Mr. Touvel is going to bring some of the experts involved in the project. The experts, the professionals are going
to tell you uh what's in this project, what's in the plan. Tonight again is a presentation. We expect in compliance with our fourth round affordable housing obligation, the redevelopment plan will be scheduled for
introduction as an ordinance next year at a at a future meeting to be determined. And so with that, I will hand the podium over to Jason Tuvel Esquire. >> All right. Good evening. Uh, mayor, um,
members of the council, um, Jason Tuvel, I'm the attorney for Crossroads. Mike, thanks for that, um, introduction. So, I'm not going to, there was a couple points that I was going to make that Mike already made, so I won't go over those, but essentially, we've been at this process, uh, with the township,
with the public, uh, for close to almost six years. I would say around a little over five years. Um, this started back in 2020 when the planning board um did a a study of the subject the subject areas. Um, as Mike Michael indicated,
there was some litigation that was settled between the township stop and shop and the developer. And we're at a point now where we're looking at the redevelopment plan um as in accordance with the housing plan as well. But let's just take a little bit of a of a step back. I just want to kind of go through
the iterations of this plan that have already occurred based on township feedback from the township uh zoning subcommittee council members um as well as members of the public and the township's um professionals.
So after all that litigation ended um we had our first public meeting actually on July 31st, 2023. So that's over two about two and a half years ago. Um that community meeting was held where Crossroads presented um to to the
public. Um as a result of that meeting on October 2nd, 2023, we submitted revised plans for the township for their consideration. So let me just explain what changed between that the initial iteration and the comments that we got
back at that initial public meeting. So at first the total number of units which is comprised of units along Beverly Road and then also along American Legion Drive and Alma Terrace was reduced from 364 units residential units to 318
residential units. So there were comments regarding parking, comments regarding density. So it was reduced from 364 to 318 in that initial after that initial meeting based on feedback that we received. Um, the parking garage
was also reduced from 979 spaces to 943 spaces. And we'll go over that, but as the township recalls and as members of the public recall, a public garage is uh part of this uh development. The building height, and I'm going to go through some of the different buildings.
So, the building height along Beverly Road um was reduced from five stories to four stories after that initial public meeting. and the building height at American Legion Drive at the corner of American Legion Drive and Alma Terrace
was reduced from six stories to four stories. So again, once we received that initial feedback, there was a significant reduction in the overall development that we that we heard. Then there was a a second um public hearing where initial comments were heard. We
presented the changes um that we made and again there were some more comments that were heard. there were more issues that were raised. So after that second public meeting, what did the developer do? So they reduced the Beverly Road
garage at the corner um of Beverly and Garrison from four stories to three stories. They reduced the height of Beverly Road residential building from four stories to three stories with a 6ft step back to the fourth story. So, it's still fourth stories, but there was a
step back created to that fourth story to provide more of a separation um on the on the height from the residential to the building. In addition to that, there were comments raised about having public space. Um, so there was a public space added at the corner of Beverly
Garrison of approximately 4,400 square f feet and there was another public space added at the corner of American Legion Drive and Alma Terrace at about 3,350 square ft. So again, that was the second iteration. So then we had a third public
meeting. The township and and working with the zoning subcommittee um and there were various members of the council that have served on that zoning subcommittee over the last uh 5 years um asked us again to have another public meeting based on the comments that were made um to the to that plan that I just
described. So we had that public meeting in March 2024 and then in August of 2024 the plan was further revised uh by the developer. We increased the public space on the corner of Beverly and Garrison from that initial 4,400 square f feet to
12,000 square feet. And that number wasn't derived out of thin air. The developer met with the farmers market, figured out how many uh how much space they needed based on how they set up on a regular basis, and we used that in order to create that space so they can
utilize it um as they do today um at the corner of um of Beverly and Garrison. And then we also added the um we and then we also add increased the step back of the uh building on Beverly Road. So initially I said it was 6 feet. Now that
fourth story is um is 10 ft back. So, I just wanted to put that out there because this has been one of the more comprehensive public processes that I think I've been through that I've seen in Tene regarding a redevelopment plan
and the applicant or the developer has really tried and I think successfully to enhance and change the plan based on the feedback and the constructive comments that have been received over the last you know several years. So, we're here
tonight to present the current version of that plan that is also reflected in your housing plan as um and your master plan as as Mr. Ash stated. Um and I have three people that I'm going to call to present and I'll explain what what each
one of them is going to be talking. So, the first person I'm going to have present is Michael Lawson from Minowasco. He's our architect. He's going to go through all of the buildings, explain the parking, explain some of the facades that we have, and also describe some of the features of
the buildings and the changes that we made so you could see them on the massing. So, he's he's going to do that first. He's also going to show you the type of building that we have, the amenities, and the high-end construction that's proposed. Then, we're going to have our civil engineer, James Henry,
from Dynamic Engineering. Um, we've heard not only from the public, but also from members of council that there's a concern regarding drainage and flooding in this area. We know that the township has its own initiatives. Um, many that they've already implemented that I, my
understanding have been successful in terms of mitigating some of that um that flooding. However, we were challenged by the municipality, by the zoning subcommittee, and several members of the public that live nearby to study this drainage area and come up with solutions
that the developer can implement as part of this redevelopment plan. So the redevelopment plan itself um requires certain drainage infrastructure and requirements for us to uh for the developer to implement and I would assume too that those would also be carried out through a redevelopment
agreement and um site plan. However, the the engineer that we have will describe the ideas that we've worked on and the analysis that we've done wi in conjunction with your township engineer and I believe there's a concurrence with your engineer and our engineer on how to
deal with those drainage issues. So, we're going to describe those. And then finally, our professional planner Joe Burgess is going to go through affordable housing compliance and the public benefits that are derived from this project. So unlike a typical site
plan approval that you would have at the planning board under typical zoning or a variance that you would go through at the board of adjustment since this is redevelopment the municipality has asked for many public benefits that I've also described here but that Mr. Burgess will
go through as well as the affordable housing um compliance. I sent over to the clerk um the slide presentation that we're going to present so that everybody can see it on the screen or if they're watching um on Zoom. So the first person I'm going to ask to come present, Mr.
Mayor, if that's okay, is Mr. Michael Lawson from Minowasco. He's with the architectural firm that's that's preparing the plans. I'll step aside and I'll let him walk everyone through the elevations and the floor plans that we have proposed for this project. A lot of
it is conceptual, but I think you'll have a good idea as to what's being proposed. And this is also reflective of the latest draft redevelopment plan that we've been working on with your council and also your uh township planner. Okay. All right. So, Michael, why don't you
come up? >> Thank you very much, Jason, and thank you so much for having us here. We really appreciate it. Um, as Jason uh elaborated, my name is Michael Lawson. Um and I'm an architect and urban planner uh and principal at Mano and Wasco architects and planners
and uh we have extensive experience with these types of redevelopment areas throughout the northeast and specifically here uh in Tene and in Bergen County. Uh we've worked very hard uh to make sure that our buildings fit in uh with uh the the the neighborhoods
and the communities that we build. Um and we hope to bring uh a fantastic project here with Crossroads Companies. So if we can move uh on to the next slide, please. So I wanted to put together just an overall aerial of where we are looking
in terms of uh along Cedar Lane, Beverly Road, and American Legion Drive. Um just orienting everyone in terms of where we're talking about when we're making the presentation tonight. Um, so I'm going to take you around in in kind of a a clockwise fashion around the site uh
to orient everybody. So on the top here we have Beverly Road um and Garrison Avenue. Um and that is where we have building C and our parking deck lot. Um across Cedar Lane as we go down we have the existing stop and shop lot which is colored in blue. We have lot B which is
the furthest south uh plan south uh on on on the aerial. Um and then on across uh American Legion Drive we have building a lot um which is fronted by Chestnut and Alma Terrace as well. Um this is a true redevelopment area in
terms of the downtown and an infill in using existing areas that have already been developed uh on the site um and can be utilized and and and create a a much more dynamic downtown. Um, a lot of times with these kinds of developments,
we're looking to create walking wallets. Um, those are are things that people live downtown. They're able to walk to the downtown businesses that are already existing along Cedar Lane. Um, and really uh enlivening uh those areas and
and enhancing the the business the existing businesses that you already have in your town. Next slide, please. So this is an overall axiometric uh drawing and as I said um this is in similar orientation to what uh I just
described but I'm going to be uh going over the statistics of uh the concept plan here. Um and overall as uh Mr. Tvel uh illustrated we have uh proposed for the site 318 units 48 of which will be
affordable. Um and part of this we have garage parking which has 873 spaces. A considerable amount of that will be public parking. Um we have 61 on street spaces. Uh
>> sure. >> Thank you so much. Right. >> Correct. Cedar Lane is located right here. You have Beverly here and then the south part of the site that we were talking about before where we had built the lot B uh is down here at this side.
So, as I was saying, uh we have 61 on street parking spaces. Those are primarily located along American Legion Drive. Um we have 12,000 ft of new commercial space that's located on our lot C up here. Um, and then we have uh
15,350 ft of exterior public space. Um, and we'll get into a little bit more about where that's located um, and what that uh, it includes. As we go around the site, I'm going to start with building A down here, and
we're going to talk about the the number of stories, the number of residential units on those on those areas as we kind of go around the site. So, as Mr. Bill had stated this is building A located right here and that's uh was reduced from six stories to four stories now. Um
we have four stories here. We do have uh several uh step backs on the back side of this building um where the parking garage uh pokes out a little bit further than the residential units above. Um that allows for uh more light and air and space between the adjacent
properties. There we have 94 uh residential units with 149 spaces which is about 1.59 uh parking spaces per dwelling unit. We have also public space and we'll get into that a little bit more on the next few slides as well, but that's located along Alma Terrace right
here. Building B here is six stories and that density and and height is actually pushed closest to the Conrail tracks and is on the existing parking uh lot of the of the stop and shop and that has 128
units and 170 uh parking spaces which is about 1.33 parking spaces per dwelling unit. We have the existing stop and shop which we are not changing. That building is remaining as is but we are reconfiguring the parking lot to uh have
263 surface parking spaces that has been negotiated with stop and shop and is sufficient for their ongoing uh business. Now as we go across Cedar Lane, these are all the existing uh businesses that that really activate
your Cedar Lane business district. Um and those are to remain um the building for lot C is located behind those on the existing surface parking space surface parking lot here. Uh on building C um we
have a four-story building but it does have a three-story reading along Beverly Road. And as we had talked about, there is a 10-ft stepback which is located on the top floor of 10 feet that really allows for uh the building massing to be
broken up and for us to transition down to the the existing neighborhood that is adjacent to us. Over here on this site as well at the corner of Beverly Road and Garrison, um we are proposing the uh public parking deck which is located
right here. Um, and that garage, including some of the garage space that's underneath the residential building, includes 590 uh parking spaces. Part of this uh area here to activate this corner is a 12,000t public
uh public plaza space. And as um stated previously, this is really meant to be for uh the farmers market. And we've designed this space uh to to be uh accommodating of that and to be about the same size as what they have existing today.
Part of this also is an activation on the ground floor along Beverly Road. Um, and we are proposing 12,000 square feet of commercial space there that can be used for a multitude of different uses in terms of commercial space located at the ground level. But one of the main
urban planning uh items here is that it activates Beverly Road um and allows for a street frontage that is um is much more conducive uh to the downtown area. We can move to the next slide please.
So these are some theme images of what we expect to be bringing the level of design to these buildings um and the amenities that we bring to every one of our buildings. Um one of which being actually a building in Tene already 1500 that we we developed with B&E
properties. And you can see that that level of luxury and that level of uh refinement is brought into the the residential units as well as to the uh residential amenities. Residential amenities may include fitness center. They may include a club room, private dining area, um those kinds of things
that really become mandatory in these kinds of buildings uh throughout Bergen County. Next slide, please. Not only the interior amenities but the exterior amenities are very important especially in a postcoid world which we live in now. Outdoor amenity space has
become very very important to these kinds of communities and to the overall neighborhoods that we create. Uh we are proposing several different areas including courtyard spaces uh for several of the buildings um as well as uh above the podiums of the parking
areas uh for some of these uh for some of these buildings. really making sure that we greenify these uh podium levels. Um and in those areas we have a multitude of amenities including uh barbecue grilling areas, fire pits, lounge areas, um places really that you
can enjoy the outdoor spaces. Um you know, a lot of times there are balconies that overlook those courtyard areas. Um really making sure that we've created an active um and and uh really a great place to live in in these kinds of buildings. Next slide, please.
So that leads us into the public open spaces that we are proposing. And those really from an urban planning perspective are really important for how we um want to enliven and and and really uh be a good neighbor for uh the community at large and in in this uh
area uh the Cedar Lane redevelopment area. So, the first one that I'll talk about is located on our building a lot. And there we've proposed um 33 uh 3,350 square feet of uh exterior public open
space. And this really could be a multitude of different uses here. We are envisioning that this is going to be a combination of hardscape and green space um with benches, lighting, uh those kinds of things really creating almost like a parklet uh along terrace. Um, we
think that this will really enhance the streetscape located here and really allow for the people of the surrounding neighborhood as well as the people that were we're we're hoping to to live here in in these three buildings. Um, an opportunity to to really uh uh gather
and and and and lounge in in in this park space that we're creating along Terrace. The second area is the larger area uh along Garrison Avenue. And along Garrison Avenue, this is going to be the farmers market plaza. Um, and you can
see that we've illustrated how within the uh the the the property line here, you can see that we have been able to accommodate all the the number of farmer st farmers market stands um that exist today into this area as
well. Really making sure that whatever is existing can actually occur in this plaza space. We envision that this is going to be a hardscape space um that can be used for different public events as well. Um you know I heard of of many of the holiday events that are that are being planned here in Tene. This could
be a space uh that you use for some of those as well. Um and and we really envision this to be an active part of the the Cedar Lane redevelopment area as well as your business district. Next slide please. So that leads us to the concept
elevations. And I will preface this with these are preliminary and these are um meant to uh illustrate what we plan on doing and and the style of which uh the architecture we plan on proposing uh for the for all three of these buildings. Um
each one will be designed uniquely um and we'll reference different um pieces. But one of the things that we do uh uh on these kinds of redevelopment areas that have multiple buildings is that we want to make sure that each one has its own identity, but they all really merge
together. Um and we we go and look at existing architecture from your downtown area, from different areas, and we look to kind of take different pieces uh from those areas and instill them into the fabric of what we're creating for the new buildings. Um so you can see here
this is um building C along Beverly Road. Um so you can see this is the full length of Beverly Road. Um and then we've broken it up into two pieces here to enlarge um so you can see some of the detail. But you can see that for the
residential component here um we have that activated uh area along the the streetscape here with large glazing for that commercial area. We we will have a lobby space as well located at the center there with some amenity space on that ground floor. Really making sure
that that that storefront is activated and has uh the the right amount of um presence um eyes on the street um that we like to do uh with urban planning. As you go up the building, you can see that we have three stories um here and then
we have the step back. Um the bottom three stories here are accented with brick detailing as well as um some uh bay windows and large fenestration really calling into the the the type of
um highquality materials that we use on all of our buildings. As we transition to the top floor, that is stepped back 10 feet. Um, and we transition to a warmer uh slightly uh lighter material um to make sure that that kind of floats up at the top of the building. You can
see that there's windows, there'll be private terraces at that top floor um so that the residential units up there actually have um a great amenity as well. in terms of the parking deck um that we we went back and forth with the community and with several of the
stakeholders several times in terms of making sure that that parking deck doesn't look uh like a pre-cast parking deck that you see um throughout uh northern New Jersey. Um so we are proposing um many ways of breaking down that scale in terms of using smaller
openings um as well as uh proposing some brick in different locations as well as having uh the the entry to the parking deck which is located right here at the at the corner um be more of of a tower feature um that allows people to identify that that's where you go into
the public parking deck. Um, and as we said before, that's actually at the farmers market plaza located right there as well. Um, so that kind of takes us through uh most of the ideas here that we're that we're proposing for the site.
Um, as I said, these are sample elevations of building C that we hope to keep on refining and keep on enhancing and bring as part of the the site plan application back to you. um designs for all all of the buildings on the site as part of the application.
>> Thank you. >> No, thanks Michael. I just wanted to clarify just two points. One is there we we didn't mention it, but we should have. There will be a thousand square feet of community space located in the building along Beverly Road that the
township can utilize for, you know, local civic events should it choose to do so. So that'll be on the Beverly roadside in that building. Also, the 12,000 square feet of commercial is not necessarily commercial. What's happening is the Buddhist Center along American
Legion Drive is being relocated to that building. In the event that the Buddhist Center chooses not to go there or leaves at certain point in the future, that will either become an amenity to the building. It could become a gym, it could be a lounge, or it could be parking. It will not be, you know,
retail on the on the ground floor along Beverly. I just wanted uh to make that clear. And with the Buddha center leaving that area, what's happening is a land swap between the um owner of the stop and shop property, Apollo, they are
obtaining that corner piece where the at the American Legion Drive Alma Terrace intersection so that stop and shop can enhance their parking area while crossroads is receiving the area of the parking lot, the southern end of the stop and shop parking lot to build that
other building. I just I didn't I know that many of you may know this, but in case it wasn't clear, I just wanted to make sure that those items uh were clear. Um the next person I plan on calling is our civil engineer. Mr. Mayor, do you want me to bring him up, >> please?
>> Okay. Thank you, Michael. >> So, as I indicated before, obviously there's many aspects to civil engineering that would go through a site plan. Um but this evening's presentation by Mr. Henry is going to be focused on um the drainage improvements that we're planning for the area.
>> Thank you. >> Uh thank you and mayor mayor and council for having me here tonight. Uh my name is Jim Henry. I'm from Dynamic Engineering Consultants. Uh we're an engineering firm that was hired by Crossroad Companies uh to look at the site engineering of the site as well as
the drainage uh that exists on site. Uh we put together this this deck uh to go through a lot of information about the property in general as well as just kind of the history behind the drainage issues uh that have existed uh at the
site and and adjacent to the site and the nearby roadway network. Um, and I just kind of wanted to go through and and and provide some of the history behind, you know, what's transpired, what were some of the municipal improvements as far as trying to improve the situation, and then lastly go
through what we're proposing to do as far as uh an improvement uh to the the drainage. So, next slide. Uh so as an introduction uh so as a general introduction um there were drainage issues which were
identified um during the tropical storm IDA in 2021. the township council and the township mayor uh met with the residents that were impacted during the second week in October 2021 and initiated a drainage study which was prepared by the municipality.
The study results and recommendations were shared uh with the public in April 2022 with the residents uh and township management. Many of the proposed initiatives were started afterwards. An update uh was provided in September 2024
by the municipality and there were several recommendations made u three substantial uh recommendations that were modifying the Bell Avenue and Beverly Road intersection as there was an abrupt turn in the drainage pipe there. uh to
install approximately a 187,000galon uh detention system in Sagamore Park and then to construct bioills at select locations uh throughout the municipality. Um next slide. Uh so the problem just I'm sure many of
many of the public that's here today is aware of it. Um there's frequent flooding that occurs in the Bell Avenue area. particularly at the intersections of beaches beacher street and Beverly Road. Uh instances which you know I think really were highlighted during the
tropical storm Ida in 2021. Uh there was a resident survey that was done by the engineering department which showed uh depths exceeding 2 feet in some areas. Um this area is is very large. It expands spands approximately 175 acres.
It has a large drainage area. This is a an area that isn't just isolated to this this one neighborhood. Um there's floodprone locations and then also there's an existing storm water network uh which is undersized for the amount of water that goes there today. Next slide.
Um so key contributing factors uh there's a flow bottleneck. uh significant storm water is routed through Bell Avenue uh to the Beverly intersection, but the elevation of Cedar Lane is higher uh than than the lower elevation of that intersection. Uh so
there's a topographic issue there. Uh and then it relies primarily on pipes to drain the water from that area. It almost acts as a basin uh which collects water. Uh so there's minimum pipe slope within the existing pipe network which which has limited capacity. And then
there's inefficient geometry where there's some 90deree turns that kind of reduce the speed of the water which reduce the efficiency of the overall system. Next slide. Uh so this just goes into the 175 acres of land uh highlighted on the tax map
and this was taken from the miss valley's report which basically just outlines what you know what area drains it basically drains from north to south uh and what areas contribute to this this this area this basin. Next slide. again from the 2022 municipal report. Uh
this is an area that was uh there was a survey done by the municipality asking residents to identify where uh the most significant flooding occurred during tropical storm IDA in 2021. And as you can see the areas in red uh were the
areas which experienced the the deepest flooding. And then areas in orange were 6 in to 24 in. Uh pink was 1 in to 6 in and then green was no basement flooding. bill. This was a uh survey conducted by the municipality and we just clipped it out just to kind of highlight the areas
uh of concern and what we're trying to remedy with proposed improvements. >> Next slide. >> Yes. I think in total our acreage here. You know, it's 175 acres and we're under
20 acres. So, it's it's we're we're not a very significant contributor. Uh and in fact, we're actually going to be reducing impervious coverage on our site. So, there we're going to be improving the situation from our site individually, but obviously the council tasked us with also doing a a public
works improvement project uh where we're going to be looking to do and improve uh the situation that exists today. So um so just going over uh the municipal progress update. Uh the first item was the abrupt bend in Bell Avenue and
Beverly Road. There was a 30,000galon uh covert that was added at that intersection. uh that was constructed in February 2023 with a cost of approximately $500,000 uh which improved five times the capacity uh per the per the design by
the municipal uh engineer. Then there was a detention system uh that was recently added in Sagamore Park and that added 187,000 gallons of detention system uh to detain the water so that the flooding didn't occur within the adjacent roadways. Um and that was
constructed fairly recently. Uh and then there was an overflow system set up that went out to Windsor Road. And then there was BioSales which is I believe is ongoing uh as far as from a construction standpoint. You're in the process of constructing those. Um my understanding is that's being constructed within the
next few months. Uh so those are three major improvements that municipality has done to you know alleviate the resident's concerns. Uh and we as part of our analysis, we assume that all three of those are existing conditions. So we didn't take credit for that. We
just assume those are in in our analysis, we assume that those are existing conditions that we're looking to improve even more beyond what the municipality did uh with their improvements. Next slide. Uh so this is just Sagamore Park. This is outlining uh what was installed, the
187,000 gallons uh detention system and just give you an idea of the scale of the property versus versus the park. It was it was very substantial uh and just outlining the size of it. Next slide. Um so this is just an update uh from Crossroads. Uh so Crossroads has been
working on this project uh for approximately six years. Planning design changes. Uh a redevelopment plan has been uh submitted for council review, a draft redevelopment plan. Uh the township has asked us uh to research how to basically fix or not improve the uh
the storm water the stormwater situation at the intersection. Uh and this is above and beyond what's required by state code. So by state code 7 NJAC 78 uh there we're reducing impervious technically you know by code we're not really required to do any sort of storm
improvements. So a part as part of this redevelopment plan, this is going above and beyond which is what's typically required uh by the municipal ordinance and also by state code NJAC78. Yes, that's correct. Next slide.
Uh so just going over uh the C the crossroads infrastructure update. We had several meetings with the township engineer as well as multiple conversations uh to review potential design solutions also to review their design and their analysis in detail. Um
so they what the municipal engineer did was they put together their own analysis which resulted in the detention system and the other improvements. uh they provided us with those documents as well as the uh hydrocad design so that we could use that for our basis of design. So we used a lot of that information uh
that was provided to us and we agreed uh a significant upgrade uh to the system would be improving the runoff rate approximately 10 to 15% uh for the 25-year storm event uh which would be a significant improvement and help reduce flooding uh
fairly significantly within the area of concern. Uh, alternatively, we also were tasked with potential, you know, if we weren't able to comply with the 10 to 15%, we were asked to reduce the flooding so it was it was held within the curb line so it didn't flood within
the adjacent properties. Next slide. So, just outlining what we've done to date. Uh, so we did quite a bit of drainage due diligence. uh Crossroads um really engaged us and we asked for a number of different things from
Crossroads and they uh agreed to allow us to do quite a thorough analysis of the stormwater system. Uh so what we did was we obtained the CAD files uh from the municipality. We took all the different documents, the HydroCAD file. Uh we additionally authorized a surveyor
to go out and survey the adjacent roadways, adjacent properties in order to determine the elevations of the properties. Um and then we supplemented that with LAR topography which is really kind of aerial topography so that we could understand the general topography outside of the area which was surveyed.
We then spent time to basically integrate this the physical survey that we got along with the LAR topography to basically create a base map so we can understand how does how does this whole area drain into this this this basin. Uh it was extensive due diligence as far
as trying to line them all up and then also line up the uh municipalities design and making sure that it all um flowed correctly. Then what we did was we took the HydroCAD file and we implemented it into Hecraz which is an Army Corps program. The Army Corps
program is is primarily used for urban you know drainage issues like this and it's more of a 2D model. So we're able to really see the surface runoff in addition to the pipe runoff uh that was analyzed as part of the municipality the
municipal um study. So this was more of a robust uh review by taking the survey the LAR topography and then using hecraz uh which is done which is army corps program to really provide a really comprehensive analysis of the overall
system from a surface flooding standpoint but also analyzing the pipe network as well. So we went through this we ran a lot of different iterations. Um, some of these iterations, just so everyone is clear on how complex they are, some of them take
12 to 24 hours to run overnight. Uh, this is a very complex program. Uh, so we went through a few different iterations and came up with a conceptual design as far as what we believe to be a uh a design that I think would would really result in a significant improvement for the residents and and
meet the requirement which was uh tasked by us by the uh municipal engineer. So before we go into the actual the concept the the design um we just want to go over a couple different items that we did review uh just to kind of next
next slide. Sorry. So a couple items that were discussed uh along with the board professionals as well as uh members that were at the preliminary meetings. Uh there were discussions regarding a stormwater pump. Uh the amount of water that's that
basically flows to this area, there's 175 acres of water. Uh the amount of water is very substantial. Um so if you if you installed a pump, the pump would be millions of dollars and also probably would be the size of like a small house.
Um so the feasibility of adding a stormwater pump at this location uh is isn't really practical. Also, the amount of power that it would require is very substantial. Um and also when it rains the power goes out or something like happens you have to have obviously
backup power backup. Uh really wasn't practical solution for us. So uh we we we cross that out as as not a feasible option for us. And then as far as detention uh after reviewing all the different improvements the municipality did and the significant improvements
there was already a very large detention system that was added to provide additional storage. uh so that adding additional storage really wouldn't significantly improve uh the situation and really wouldn't reduce flooding. So as far as a solution
uh next page next sheet we came up with increasing the capacity of the stormwater management pipes uh which are underground and within the roadway network. Um now the great part about this is that this is a gravity- based system. So this is not a system
that requires power. Uh our idea is to basically increase capacity within the existing stormwater network. Our analysis shows that the stormwater network was und sized and did not have sufficient capacity even with the 25-year storm uh and didn't have
sufficient flow to basically drain the area uh that we're talking about uh underneath Cedar Lane and then into American Legion Drive. So there there's basically two ways to increase uh the runoff the the capacity of the system. One would be to add a parallel pipe or
or some some other pipe that would basically increase capacity to get the water out of this area. And the other option would be to increase the slope of the existing drainage pipes. Um that albeit if if you can find a way to do it, that's another option. Basically
increase the speed of the water that's within the existing pipes. Next sheet. Uh so after we ran our analysis uh we determined that running a pipe basically parallel to the existing pipe up to the uh extent of the along American Legion
all the way on the left hand side. So this exhibit basically the north hand the north side is on the right hand side the south side's on the left hand side. Uh so this this pipe would basically run from Beverly uh underneath Cedar Lane and then along American Legion to
connect back in with with the existing stormwater facility. Uh there's already an existing pipe which runs this way. Uh it's approximately 36 in to 20 to 42 in. It's it's reinforced concrete pipe. It's a very large stormwater pipe. And what we found after looking at a few
different iterations as far as trying to figure out the most efficient way and the way that would reduce flooding in the most dramatic nature possible uh would be to add a parallel pipe uh area in green of the same size adjacent to it. So there's a there's a small
rightway which and an easement which goes through um in between uh Beverly Road and Cedar Lane. And so we would run that pipe right through that that easement and that um that rightway and then go underneath Cedar and then run
along American Legion Drive into the existing stormwater structure. So this was the area that we identified which really was l didn't have enough capacity and this was really the area that we found using the hecraz analysis which is as I mentioned was extremely complex and done
by the army corps engineers uh we identified this is really the main problem area uh and were able to significantly increase the capacity of the system uh by running a parallel pipe as shown. next sheet.
Uh so after discussing it with the our our attorney as well as um our client, we wanted to give an example of how this would improve. Now obviously we're not going to be able to improve the situation and eliminate all flooding. Uh
but we wanted to give a constructive idea to the public, also to the council as far as you know, hey, we we see you're going to be adding a pipe, but what does that actually mean for us? Uh so there actually is a published uh storm uh 14 a recent storm which we we
identify as the Halloween storm in 20125 which resulted in some flooding uh in the area which we're referencing. So what we did was we pulled that rainfall data and the rainfall data basically every 15 minutes it has rainfall data
and identifies how much rainfall falls during that period. Um so we pulled that rainfall data and how it rained during that period of time and then we ran it through the program which again took you know almost 24 hours to run and we wanted to give an example of the
reduction in area that would result in that amount of flooding. So we put together this graph uh which shows on the bottom uh areas that resulted in over 3t of flooding and then flooding between 3 and 2 feet 1T half a foot and
then a quarter foot. Uh so you can see in the most extreme cases the areas that ex exceeded three foot of flooding uh those areas would be reduced roughly 87.5%. >> The actual storm that occurred. >> Yes. And this also already includes the
stormwater pipes and all that as as existing. We took no credit for it. Uh so anything resulting in over 3 ft of flooding was reduced 87.5% from a square footage standpoint. Anything between 2 and 3 feet uh was
reduced 70.7 70.7%. Uh between 3 and 1 ft was reduced 50% from a square footage standpoint. uh between 1 and 1/2 foot was reduced 39.1 and then between a half foot and a quarter foot was reduced 18.7. So
overall the uh average inundation area was reduced approximately 53.4%. Uh which based on our results is a very significant change uh in the flooding area flooding of this this neighborhood uh and a very substantial improvement uh
from what exists today. Uh so in summary just going over next sheet sorry. So in summary um I think this is going to be a great solution for the neighbors. This is a major infrastructure project uh improving the
existing infrastructure that exists today uh substantially. Uh there will be a a 10 to 15% improvement in stormwater capacity over that. Uh there will be a reduction in flooding depth uh for the immediate area surrounding Bell Avenue, an increase in runoff capacity for the
existing stormwater conveyance system, a reduction in impervious and motor vehicle coverage within our property on site. As I mentioned, we're probably reducing square footage in excess of 10,000 square feet for our site alone. Um so in addition to that, we're going to be doing the the stormwater
improvements. We're also going to be adding landscaping and vegetative areas uh throughout our site which again will help you know seep up the water and reduce flooding. And then we're also in substantial compliance with NJAC 78. And we've outlined each of the those
requirements which include the stormwater runoff quality requirements, the stormwater runoff quantity requirements, the green infrastructure standards, the groundwater recharge standards, and the township of Tene stormwater management ordinance. Uh, so we're in compliance with all of those
rules. So, in summary, I think this is a great um success. I think I appreciate all the feedback from the board as well as the board's professionals as far as uh and helping us along to get to this point and I think uh the improvement is going to be very substantial for the the
neighborhood. >> Thank you. >> All right. Um the last person that we're going to have present is Joe Burgess, our planner. As you could see though with the drainage, we spent a lot of time, you know, investigating these issues and working with the township engineer and coming up with a solution.
We didn't just say we're reducing impervious coverage. Things are going to get better. This is a substantial undertaking that the developer would be would be doing as part of the redevelopment of this entire of this area. So, all right. So, Mr. Burgess is next. He's our professional planner. I'm sorry. >> And then after Mr. B. We do have our
township engineer here, so I'm going to ask him to come up after. We'll go Mr. Burgess first so they can hear that. >> That's fine. Okay. Thank you. >> Good evening, everyone. I'm here to talk about the issue of of affordable housing and how this proposed redevelopment plan will affirm a lot of the goals and
objectives of your housing plan and the specifics of how you'll be implementing the process. Uh the state of New Jersey is now in its fourth round of affordable housing obligation. It goes from 2025 to 2035.
Uh with the fourth round, the state has changed significantly uh the process. They had created what's called the affordable housing dispute resolution program whereby municipalities would file their plans with the with the
state. Uh the program consisting of nearly a dozen different judges uh worked with what they call special adjudicators of which I am one where we assisted the judges in evaluating the housing plans presented and uh the
benefit of participating in that process is that um if you achieve settlement you would be also achieving protection from any affordable housing litigation over the next 10-year period. Um while every municipality is obligated
to prepare a housing element and fair share plan, you are not obligated to file uh with the what are called the program. U point of fact 424 municipalities did in fact file with the
program. Um like Teneck many other many municipalities did receive an objection from two different entities. Fair Share Housing Center andor developers. Fairshare Housing Center, which is a nonprofit entity um who is involved in
pursuing construction of affordable housing, filed 400 objections to the 424 plans that were filed. So, you were in very good company. Um in many instances like yours, the objection they filed simply asked
initially for some additional information. to confirm that you met the requirements of the the new regulations. And they also, as was typical of their filing, asked for um the ability for the municipality to achieve additional numbers of affordable units if you
could. Um the pro the state had initially determined that DNC had a fourth round obligation of 431 dwelling units. Um the program provides the wherewithal where you you can reduce
that number if you're a fully developed municipality and ten obviously is and it was determined that you had a realistic development potential for 124 affordable units and your plan provided that
amount. Now what was interesting when your attorney pointed out that the 124 unit of the 124 units of this project provides for a total of 48 affordable units and by virtue of the mechanisms
spelled out in the regulations you can achieve an additional 24 credits for a total of 72 credits towards that 124 unit obligation. That means that this one uh project will address [snorts]
60% or 59% of your entire housing obligation that you're achieving. That is significant. It is obviously the most significant component of your housing plan. Now, we reviewed the housing plan. We reviewed
it against the redevelopment plan and your master plan. and we found that uh in great measure all three documents coincide well with each other. Now when we reviewed the plan, one of the
things we were concerned about was how the project does in fact get implemented. Uh in point of fact, you have series of goals, not only just goals and objectives in the master plan and housing plan that are being affirmed by this application, but the
[clears throat] varied regulation set forth in the draft plan um appear to all be able to be uh affirmed by the conceptual plan that uh the Minowasco has put together for you. The
[clears throat] uh redevelopment plan or the draft plan provides for a series of area and bulk requirements. It appears all of those will be met by this design. It is consistent with all the use provisions spelled out in the plan. Uh
and in addition to that, all the design standards will also be affirmed by this plan. The most significant thing for you and for the public is that you're not alone in this process. I know going around the state as an adjudicator and
we have also filed 43 housing plans which I believe is the most any single firm had filed with the program. Um what we find going around the state is everybody thinks that they're the ones being put upon. Um and that simply is
not the case. The bottom line is that you are entitled to a vacant land adjustment. You are addressing that portion of the obligation that you can address. And that's all to the good because for anyone who's had children trying to buy housing today, there is
clearly an affordable housing uh problems throughout the state of New Jersey if not country as a whole. Um, in the [clears throat] town I I live in, we just built a 100% 110 unit affordable
housing development, 110 units. We had over 3,000 applicants for those 110 units to show you the the need that exists today. And that ratio um seems to be being duplicated all over the place.
And part of the the issue of affordable housing needs, and I know I'm of a certain age, but when I bought my first house, I I checked the the standards, and in that year, 29%
of all firsttime buyers um were un or age 29 on average. This past year, for the first time ever, we hit for firsttime buyers, the average age was 40. You that's really a stunning statistic.
Um, so all to the good in terms of, you know, what the municipality is achieving uh with this redevelopment plan and your housing plan, I think, is all to the good. Now, what's interesting about the way you're way ten is going about this
process, you utilize the local redevelopment and housing law to achieve this redevelopment plan. And as I think Jason had mentioned in his introductory comments, one of the benefits of utilizing this approach is that you're
able to gain a lot of benefits that you normally would not be able to gain through a what I'll call the normal site plan review process. For example, you heard all the drainage improvements on that are off track to this site that are going to be achieved by virtue of this
application. Uh all of the enhanced storm water management techniques that go along with that drainage, those drainage improvements will also be part of this uh enhanced plan. Uh there is the public open space provisions that is
also being provided as part of this component. In addition to that, there's a parking gar a public parking garage. It's still being refined, but it'll be about 450 parking spaces serving the public. And in addition to that, there
are some on street parking spaces that are also being provided as part of this plan. Um I don't want to belabor the point but uh in conclusion I could point out that you know you will be in all likelihood
achieving not sure that you have yet settled formally with of the program but reading your plan it looks like you will be able to achieve settlement and therefore protection from uh exclusionary lawsuits over the next
10-year period and there's all those other benefits that I had just mentioned And beyond that, your recent 2025 master land use plan also identifies a series of goals and objectives that highlight how this particular project will
achieve, you know, enhance expenditures in your business district, the drainage improvements, and the other things that I've already mentioned and simply don't want to belabor. I know you have a busy agenda. >> Thank you very much, man. >> You're welcome. >> Okay, I'm going turn over to our
municipal engineers. Good evening in council. Yes. So, uh yeah, we reviewed uh uh the uh concept and uh we uh agree with uh the uh overall approach uh and I hope
that we don't run into utility conflict. So that's my >> excellent. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Um okay, Mr. Devel, you're done. Move on. You want to close up? >> Well, I say Mr. I'm going to ask Mr. Ash if you want to do CL questions now. What
would you like? I know we're not taking any action tonight, which is what we told the public. We and we will not, but um what do you recommend? We >> Charlotte. >> Sure. So, tonight was a a presentation from the professionals that you just heard. Um the next steps
would be an introduction of an ordinance to adopt the redevelopment plan. Just like any zoning ordinance that means you are referring the ordinance the redevelopment plan to the planning board for consistency review so that the
planning board can make a finding that uh the redevelopment plan is not inconsistent with the master plan. It will then come back to the the council where you'll have a public hearing on adoption or second reading of the
ordinance. And that public hearing, like every ordinance, um there's a specific public comment period just on that ordinance [clears throat] and and this redevelopment plan. That's next year. So tonight, um if there's
anyone on the deis with questions, Mr. Tal will be happy to answer them. >> Mayor Cats >> reasons that we embarked on this project um was initially to try to save the supermarket. I mean, I guess there's several reasons. Um but for me, it was
about saving Cedar Lane. Um we had a developer in here that put together the most beautiful project. Um it was um by the rain building now with the empty with the parking lot. And the question we asked him was, "Okay, where's your
parking?" And he was scratching his head. And we realized that in order for anyone to come and beautify, enhance or upgrade Cedar Lane um from what it's been looking like since 1930 something,
you need parking. you know, even though there's Uber and all that other stuff, people still have cars. Um, so I just had a question about the parking aspect of this because I saw you reduced the parking from 979 to 943, but then you
also mentioned that there's 450 parking spots, but how many parking spots are actually being allocated for the merchants or for the shoppers so that they can shop on Cedar Lane? And and the other question I have is
we're giving this this is a public private partnership. We're giving our parking lots to you. So how many are we going from and how many are we going to? >> Okay, that would be good. Okay. So, there's a minimum um of 450 spaces to go
to the public and then there is also a number that could be shared as well. And also the um the settlement agreement with Stop and Shop requires a certain ratio of of parking based on the residential that's provided. But there would be a minimum of 450 public spaces
um in that garage. >> Right. But I believe the answer is 370 or so spots the current inventory that we have. I could be wrong. I'm not sure if um if our engineers know offhand, but there is, you know, you mentioned one thing you requested going back six years ago was not a reduction in spots, but an
increase in spots, right? >> But I believe it was about 360. I know we're shaking heads over there about 360 current and we are increasing it. I do know that you wanted about 100 100 spots increase. We're about 980 to 100 on the increase in speed. >> Yeah. And there's also, like I said, an ability to share more, but that's
correct. Um that was actually >> like you say an ability to share more. Um is that meaning because I'm sure there's a requirement for a certain amount of parking spots. What is that requirement for a certain amount of park? Meaning how many can you share because I would like to see more parking. Okay.
>> On both sides. >> We can get you what that what that number is based on. We have to have the residential component comply and then whatever the balance is we could talk about sharing those. >> I just want to be clear. I love I love the concept. First of all, I love the concept that people want to put money into Tene. All right? You know,
residents take that for granted. Not everybody wants to do that, right? And I and and I'm fully supportive of enhancing and beautifying this area. And while I understand that there's neighbors and and I know that you've worked very hard with the neighbors, some people unfortunately will never be happy, but they certainly don't want
additional flooding because in that area there are there is a flooding area. So, I'm glad that you did focus a lot of tonight on the flooding aspects. Um, but like all the other beautiful projects in town, you know, people were fighting and complaining about 1500 TK Road, an
abandoned Verizon building with broken windows, boarded up, graffiti, fire inside. It was it was actually a didn't enhance that area. It did not enhance that area, but people were against doing anything there and now it's helping that area.
What I would say just by by way of example and I guess because the drainage aspect of this was sort of the the latest um item. >> No, I just wanted to say and I'm not excluding everybody because everybody on this council challenged us to do something
>> and your initial discussion that we had when you were on the zoning subcommittee >> nothing's changed. All the parking more parking. >> No, no. I'm saying that was actually the one of the initial driving factors in the design was when you raised that at the zoning subcommittee almost 5 years ago probably.
>> So the goal was I think the concern was we're taking that lot on American Legion Drive in Alma Terrace which is a public lot removing those spaces and the goal was to replace those spaces and add more for the merchants on Cedar Lane so that they would have more parking and I
believe we've achieved that. I probably didn't focus on that as much because that was so we tried we did that so long ago but that was one of the objectives that the township had originally. >> So, so just to be clear so there's no miscommunication. I'm keeping a consistent message. >> I'm very supportive of this project. I
like the idea that someone wants to come and write a check and put money into Cedar Lane. Um but I do want to see more parking allocated by the time I have to vote on it. So, we'll we'll make sure that those numbers are given to your professionals, but just what um
>> So, if you can find more parking, you should be finding more. >> Yeah, I'm just giving you the numbers now. So, there's 590 spaces in that Beverly Road garage. Uh 96 need to be provided to the residents based on the ratio that is required in the
redevelopment plan, which leaves 500 494 open to the public. So, again, >> on on the north side, >> correct? But what about on the other side? that that's the the all the public parking would be in that garage on the on the north side >> and the street parking how much is it 36
spots on the street if I'm correct >> correct so right so >> right so one of stop and shop's requirements was to to put parking on the street so the township agreed to this as well where there would be there's going to be at least 36 parking
spaces added along Alma Terrace and um American Legion drive that will be free public spaces as Okay. I just don't want any you don't feel that I'm surprising in any way. I want to see more parking. That's my my position. So, if there's more spots that can be found, that's what I need.
>> I need >> Okay. by by when you're asking me for my vote. >> May. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And thank you for that presentation. I know how hard you guys have been working on this for a number of years. I have two questions. And I think the first question already came up in the last zoning subcommittee
meeting that I watched on YouTube and I forget which council member asked, but there are two or three single family homes in the parking lot along Beverly Road between the Korean church and where the current farmers market is. And I know you guys have been struggling to get get in touch with those residents.
Have you had any recent success in getting in touch with them to talk to them about this project? >> Yeah, I can have Mr. Vulpi speak to that because he would be the one that >> Thank you. Uh, good evening, mayor and council. Thank you for having us tonight. Anthony Vulpi, I'm a partner with Crossroads Companies. Uh, Councilman Pagan, to answer your
question, we did reach out to some of those homeowners. This is quite a while ago at this point. I think we were ultimately unsuccessful. I think I spoke with one one of them who um she really just wanted to voice some feedback and concerns, but wasn't it wasn't really a
discussion about acquiring her home. Um, it was just a conversation about, well, we're proposing and, you know, I kind of heard her out and that was it. The the other homeowners we were not able to get in contact with. >> Okay, cool. And second question, so Stop and Shop announced two store closures
just this past week in Tom's River and Clinton. Have you guys been staying in constant contact with them just to make sure everything's copetic with them? I speak to their attorney who's also watching this video or watching tonight on a weekly basis as they have been intimately involved in the redevelopment
plan. We've shared drafts with them. They've been on the phone uh with um Mr. Ash and the professionals. They've been intimately engaged in the redevelopment plan process for purposes of their property as well. If you look at the redevelopment plan, it actually addresses the stop the certain
supermarket and commercial uses for them as well. So they've been completely engaged in this in this process as well to their benefit. >> Great. Thank you. >> Yeah. And and also to that point, part of the planning exercise here um on American Legion Drive has been to
directly benefit Stop and Shop um to create um you know more more openness between the existing store and the downtown. uh you know to propose the land swap where you have the buildings right now that kind of shield the stop
and shop from the downtown um you know to to open that up for the stores benefit along with changing some of the parking arrangements so that they have uh an excess of parking that are the most convenient and and available to
their customers. So part of this whole project um you know they're they're an active partner with crossroads who have contemplated a land swap which is memorialized in the settlement agreement and all of that is affirmative planning
for the future investment of the stop shop store. >> Thank you. >> Yeah sure. Um mayor can can Mr. V sorry we'll answer every question. Um but Mr. We just wanted to to ask um just to address council ask question
>> just going back to the parking for a minute. So as indicated in the presentation I think we started around 973 total parking spaces throughout the entire three building project over the course of the community meetings and the feedback and the the zoning subcommittees. Uh one of the big
concerns was the building heights uh primarily that freestanding garage at the corner of Beverly and Garrison. So, in order to uh address those concerns, we started to reduce building heights. And that garage, as you heard, was reduced. Um I can't remember if it was
originally five or four stories, but it was reduced by at least one level, if not two levels. So, that is that is the main driving factor as why the total parking count was reduced. Um where it currently stands today, that garage, as
Mr. Tubal said, has 590 spaces. The draft redevelopment plan has a 1:1 ratio proposed for our residents. So that would leave four 494 parking spaces open to the public uh which is more than 100 spaces more than
you have today in the surface lots. That being said, there also could be a component of a shared parking arrangement between our 100 residential spaces in that building and the public. And you I think the town would want to hire its own parking consultant to
analyze that. But typically the way that works is our residents go to work in the morning. Um and you know at any given time 20 30 40% of the residents are not home and people who are shopping briefly in the area could use those spaces while
they're not there. >> So I just want to personally thank you for I just want to personally thank you for your willingness to put money into Tene is really appreciated. Like I said, a lot of people take it for granted. They all want the magic wand and wish they could only have a single story, you
know, but yet developers have to make money also in order for them to make an investment into our town. Um, but it's also in in your best interest as retail is struggling today, you know, I mean, I went to a mall last night. You right before the holiday season, place was
empty, you know. um it's in your best interest to make sure that Cedar Lane is especially since you're putting so much money there is successful and it's only going to be successful if you a give more parking and give other people the opportunities to be able to enhance their properties there. So it's in both
of our best interests to see Cedar Lane successful. >> All I'm asking is to get creative and try to say oh listen I heard the request here's more parking if you can share the spot here's a spot whatever it is. Understood. >> That's all I ask and I do thank you
sincerely for for your investment. >> Deputy Mayor. >> Okay. I just have a couple quick questions. Uh understanding that the township has has devoted a a a good amount of time uh in in terms of surveying for flooding um rightfully so
because we know we have issues there. Can you discuss the number of impact studies if any that the developer has done thus far >> on the drainage? uh beyond drainage in any impact studies, traffic, um any anything at all?
>> Sure. So, um we've done two traffic studies that are required um by the um settlement agreement. Um actually just a traffic studies done, but the applicant has actually done two of them. Um we've actually shared that with Stop and Shop that is required. Again, they're they're
fully involved in this process. they they have the right to review everything and they have been reviewing things and providing comments. So, I just want that to be clear. They've provided some comments to us on the uh traffic study that we did. They wanted some more information, some clarifications. we're
responding to that and then the goal was once we've responded to that, which we believe we can, then we're going to provide that to the municipality and then you can obviously have your own consultant independently review it and see if you concur with the findings or have other comments or questions that we
can respond to and that would be part of um a redevelopment agreement or a site plan process, but that is also a requirement and something that we have worked on as well. >> Okay. Okay. So outside of traffic, that's mainly it for the most part. Um the other question I have is as you'll
witness and I'm I uh forgot the >> we have this we have to call presenter because we're not present because we're not doing Yeah. You're not one witnesses but um on affordable housing the presenter who presented on affordable housing you know truthfully spoke about you know the critical nature of of
affordability. The average age of of a first-time home buyer is 40 years old which is outrageous. Um, how does this this particular development solve for home ownership? >> I can have uh Mr. Do you want to come
back up? >> I mean, I I would add to that question to say that clearly it's a rental. Yes. >> And we've had this discussion before about, you know, the the only option that this offers our residents is to rent an apartment. So was there any in
light of your you know discussion was there ever any type of discussion about resales making these condos or anything like that? >> No. But in addition to the issue of affordability uh um when you look at the average rents
that are occurring around Bergen County in particular, I know down in Edgewater, you know, new construction is going for $5,000 a month. which is and sometimes $6,000 a month. Even in Park Ridge um in the James it's
$6,000 a month. So the fact that these 48 units will be um deed restricted for incomequalified low and moderate income households will go a long way towards at least addressing some segment of that population that is in need.
>> Okay. And and my other question is in in light of what um uh Councilman Katz has said about we all want to see the the prosperity of Cedar Lane, um how do we um address the the rehab of of our um
res, you know, our retail stores along Cedar Lane in in light of this? I mean, we're going to have wonderful parking. Apparently this this plan [laughter] speaks to that. But what is it, you know, and and apartments, but what is what does it mean when it comes to people that live there having a a
vibrant uh Cedar Lane? >> Well, there's two or three things that I could offer. Um, one, I know your consultants. They do a lot of central business district plans, um, just as as we have over the years, and you should really bring them in to do a detailed
central business district study to figure out exactly the kind of um, rehabilitation of existing buildings that needs to be done to ensure you've got the proper pedestrian amenities um, and landscape amenities and make the
to beautify the area. the fact that we're bringing in 318 families um 85% of which are market rate households [clears throat] uh that represents a significant expenditure for retail trade goods. Um
so you've got the proximity in your favor with of where they live compared to the central business district and what you need to do is start to beautify the downtown to make it even more attractive for them to walk down the street and shop. >> Thank you. And the final question I
think is to uh you Mr. Tal. Uh are we 20% set aside for affordable housing on this as we had talked before? >> No, this is this has always been at 15%. And then with the bonus credits you get um you go from 48 to 72 which makes up I
think as Mr. Burgess indicated and Mr. Ash indicated about 59% of what you're required to do in your plan out of that 124.5. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, >> thanks. Um, a couple of questions. Is this on? Yeah. Um, first on the parking,
have you given thought to accessibility? So, while we're getting a lot of parking spots with the new building, it may be more difficult for folks with accessibility issues to, you know, get from a parking garage on the north side of Cedar Lane back to where all the shops are. So, that's the first question
and I'll I'll wait to you to answer in the last second. When you say accessibility, just you mean um councilwoman just ensuring that there's 88 proper ADA parking stalls and also also um ADA um sidewalks, ramps, things of that nature. Is that what you're asking?
>> That as well as like we have a growing senior population who may not want to walk that far to their to their cars and so and they're accustomed to being on the parking lot on the first level, you know, near Cedar Lane. So my question is, have you thought about >> as to the residential component or as to the public parking? Because there would
be ADA accessing. There would be ADA access for both. So there are regulations that um govern all those items. So we'd have to comply with those. And then there's also obviously the EV um will have electric vehicle charging stations as well pursuant to um that law also.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Of course. I guess my point is that there'd be having parking lots at the ground level is is likely to provide much more accessible parking than Yes. a parking garage. Um, okay. So, >> that that can also depend. There are trade-offs, right? So, if you
have an outdoor exposed to the elements service parking lot, you know, during the winter, that may be a bigger hazard than being able to park in a enclosed structured deck. >> Um, the structured deck for both the
public and private space will be fully ADA compliant. Um, and it's much easier to have, say, van accessible spaces in your downtown. I don't know if your downtown currently has van accessible spaces, but they can be, you know,
they're put in the best locations in a new structured parking lot. Um, that allows for additional access beyond accessible parking in your existing downtown where there's parallel parking and and various conditions at the curb
itself. that maybe the architect. >> Yeah, I was councilwoman I was gonna say let shouldn't have the lawyers sometimes answer some of these questions. Why don't we have the expert the architect address it so that you get a you get a better answer. >> Sure. I >> I do agree with most of what they said if not all of what they said. Um but one of the other things that's important
here is that there will be an elevator uh to be able and it will be public elevator that will access every single floor. So, even if all of the handicap spaces are are filled, um, and you have to go up through the through the deck to get to a parking space, you'll be able
to have an accessible route that will be of the same kind of distance if you were to park on a surface lot and have to walk that that pace as well. So you'd be walking that same way, but you'd be walking it and then getting into an elevator, going down, descending down, and then exiting on the ground floor and
walking now on a vibrant, you know, plaza space and activated plaza space to Cedar Lane um along Garrison. So it does allow for a better accessible route um and allows for all of those areas to be accessible for for anyone who needs it.
>> All right. Thank you. My second question is around uh community partnership. So, um I'm sure you're aware there's a school, the charter school is right around the corner from that area. Um Never Alone Again resource center is right across the street. Um you've got the ROA center with seniors. Um what
community partnerships did you have in mind to help um pull the community in? >> Yes. So that was um in the uh in the um zoning subcommittee meetings that we had. Um, Councilwoman Goldberg asked for space within the building to be
dedicated for those types of purposes. I mean, she could speak to it, but the goal was to have space and it's actually written into the redevelopment plan that would be dedicated to the the township would basically have utilization of it. So, the town could use it for whatever it wants. So, I'm just making this up.
You wanted a little league meeting there. You wanted a Boy Scouts meeting there. wanted, you know, something along those lines to occur there. The township would have access to this space as a community space so that that could be utilized by um by various charity organizations, municipal organizations
and things like that. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Um I have a bunch of question, but can I start with the easy one for Mike? Can you talk about the uh appraisal and the conveyance of property for all of us in the public and what the settlement
agreement says versus what law says and what we're doing with the redevelopment agreement for this when we vote on this? >> Can you repeat that loud please? >> Sorry. The appraisal of the property that you know the township property and what the timeline is because the settlement agreement and I'm going to let the lawyer speak. Um I believe says
that upon voting on this we're conveying the land but I know you said that that's not entirely accurate. So, can you just explain that to us and the public, please? >> Sure. This redevelopment plan, um, the elements that were presented this evening, it's it's zoning for the
project. Um, there will be additional financial due diligence and consideration. Um, that is an important part of this whole approval process. Um but that would be
the next phase when a redevelopment agreement is negotiated and a financial agreement is negotiated. And conceptually uh we're talking about conveying a very significant municipal
asset um to a private developer. your surface parking lots. Um, there is a a market value of that real estate. We're going to need to find out what that is and it's going to need to be evaluated in
the context of what you're getting in return. Um, you know, one of the most tangible um pieces of consideration, what you're getting in return for conveying that real estate is a structured parking deck. Um, I could
tell you the cost of structure parking today is between $40 and $45,000 per parking space. So, that financial analysis will be done. Um, it's not it's not part of the redevelopment plan phase
now because we're just talking about zoning now, but it it it will be done as part of the redevelopment agreement and um, you know, before that is approved, you will understand financially what
you're giving and what you're getting. >> So, when we vote on this, nothing is being conveyed until that point. >> Correct. >> Okay. Can I go to Buddhist center questions? Is is it a question for me or do we need the peanut gallery? >> Go to Jay Tuval. Sure,
>> I'll try to answer. >> Okay, so a lot of this really hinges on the the beginning of this hinges on the Buddhist center. Um so the phasing requires that um Buddhist center is part of phase one. So my first question is
when does their lease actually end? Oh, >> so Anthony, that would be a better question for Anthony. So, the the Buddha Center just renewed their lease for the last 5-year period that they have under their current lease. Um, but just a point of
clarification, phase one to begin phase one does not rely on the Buddha center moving or not moving. So what we would do is we would build phase one and we if the Buddha center would like we would build that space we discussed so that they could
relocate into that space once that building is complete. Then phases two and three would be built south of Cedar Lane where the Buddha center, you know, currently is after the land swap and all of that occurs. So um realistically
speaking, we still have quite a bit of work ahead of us just on approvals and then you have a minimum two-year construction period after that. So, we're we're talking about 3 years down the road to begin with when they have about two years left on their lease. And then we've given them the option to
relocate early if they like or if they if they would not like to do that, they can stay and until their lease is expired and and you know make other plans basically. And if I remember this, and I guess the attorneys and maybe um Mayor Schwarz and Deputy Mayor Katz can
attest, they were there. If I recall, wasn't stop and shop really like that was the big concern because it's it's affecting their parking. So that's why they wanted it in in phase one. Am I missing that? Is that not right? Wasn't that Isn't it supposed to be the garage and then the Buddhist center?
>> Right. The garage is phase one. That's right. Um the Buddha Senate is a tenant >> in a privately owned building and as uh Mr. Vulpi just described their terms and there's a negotiation between landlord
and tenant. So you know they they will be fairly dealt with by the landlord. landlord is already you know has plans with the tenants agreement to either you know end that lease or relocate them you
know in another another place another form it's very Buddhist >> so on that on the parking with the Buddha center so if they move to building C um then they are sharing that garage is
there a number of dedicated spaces that they have and I know there a whole thing about events and everything with them. I mean, Stop and Shop went a little nuts with them on their events, if I guess you guys remember that. Um, so if they do move to building C, they're sharing the public garage. How many spaces will
be allocated to to them specifically? >> So, if they choose to relocate to a new space, they would get the same amount of spaces they currently have today, which is approximately 39, I believe. Um, and then in terms of Stop and Shop, uh, what
I can say is to Jason's point earlier, Stop and Shop has been very much involved in all of our discussions and drafting of documents and and they're aware of the plans or with the Buddha Center and the parking and all of that. So, they've >> and that's factored into what uh W.
Mayor Katz was asking about with the parking for us with the third so 39 if they're in building C they're sharing that >> but then if they don't decide to go um that space becomes parking for resident for building C residents is that and how
is that figured in the plan? >> We can so that that space would just be the space you see on the plan today that's a 12,000t box that would just be eliminated and we can turn it into more parking or we can turn it into common area space for the building. So there's not a specific
>> it's it's flexible. It's it's >> Yeah. So >> no one wanted retail on that right over there. So right across from the residential in in that spot. So um obviously we wanted to have a placeholder for the Buddhist center if they chose to relocate. Um and then in
discussing this with Stop and Shop and with the township, if the Buddhist center decided not to move or to leave at some point, the conversion wouldn't be to a private business. It would just be could be a lounge or gym space for the for the tenants in the building or as Anthony indicated it could be just
parking because it's a decent amount of space you could get some extra parking space >> and would that affect the rest of the plan at all or no? >> No. Okay. >> It would just be in that box that already exists. >> Um Okay. So, I'm going to move to parking garage question. >> Sure. Um, so the full parking garage, so
the the the the responsibility to maintain it is the townships or is it shared? >> Go ahead. >> Yes. the the the layout of the garage will allow for separation between the public side which
is the majority of it and the the portion of parking that services the the private residences and the perhaps Buddha center there there will be um you know a a control device that separates
the private from public um the maintenance will be a public obligation that'll be offset by parking revenue. So, there will be a an operating budget for that parking garage.
>> Have we do we know what that roughly is? And then I have a followup on that. So, because they're connected, if there's structural damage to it, does it matter whose side it is or are we responsible for the structural damage? That's part of the what I would imagine
as part of the redevelopment agreement um that Michael was indicating earlier. There would likely be an exhibit called a garage agreement where there's the the obligations and requirements set forth for the municipal aspect of it and the
private aspect of it would be set forth clearly. And then if there was any, which I guess what you're getting at is any common space or anything like that that would require >> damage or liability. >> Yeah. So all the all of those issues would be spelled out in some sort of
garage agreement between the parties. >> Okay. Well, >> oh yeah. Um, >> can I move to drainage real quick? Yes. Drainage drainage questions. All right. Drainage questions. Jim, >> sorry. It's >> okay. Um okay. So you you mentioned um and the
the current plan says uh keeping flooding to the curb line. How do you measure flooding to the curb line? >> So as part of the analysis uh we determine how how much flooding depth occurs uh given the stormwater improvements. So the the analysis that
was originally done, the the municipal study was a 1D model and the HECRAZ study is a 2D model. So we're actually able to show how much flooding actually occurs in each street at each intersection um with the proposed improvement. >> So to to answer that, typically a curb
is six inches high. Um so you know reducing it below the the six inches. >> Okay. Um, is the current uh flooding plan risking pushing any of the flooding to any other areas of town? I know there was concern about pushing it to uh south
of Cedar. Is that still a possibility or is that mitigated? >> The analysis is discharging the the water gets discharges into the Conrail. Uh there's a there's a large swell which occurs. >> A visual person. It's hard for No, no. I'm a visual person. It's hard for me to
>> Sorry. Um, I could probably bring up an aerial. >> Okay. Yeah, you can see it after, but if you can just explain that, I just want to make sure that we're mitigating that issue because that was discussed in January. >> Sure. Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> So, we're we're just to clarify, we're
not increasing the size of the pipe, which discharges into the conrail. So, there's already a pipe there. The problem is is that the pip the storm water doesn't get to that area fast enough. So, it's not like we're increasing the amount of flow that can go to the conrail system. It's just we're allowing the water to get there in
>> But are we pushing the flooding to another set of neighbors? >> No, we're moving it into the system. >> Um I know you said that you compared the the you looked at the storm on the 30th. Um are you willing able to compare it to Ida? I mean on the 30th there was
already Sagamore detention tanks. So it's kind of I just want to get a sense. I mean you know the the bigger concern is these big storms you know like Ida. Is that something that you looked at? So we didn't look at it because in our conversations with the the team here the
the engineer planner obviously like the more significant storms like this is a structural problem. This is cedar is much higher than the area. So the amount of water that's that occurs during a 100redy year a 500year storm um this
this is going to be you know it's we're our job what we were tasked was was to reduce flooding for the 25 year storm and what we wanted to do was to reduce the amount of flooding that occurs maybe one to five years and occur reduce the amount of time that that it does occur that that you have to move your car or
you have flooding occur. Now, for these larger storms, there is going to be an improvement, but the improvements, you know, we can only install pipes so large. The amount of water that we're talking about is 175 acres. So, um the
there there is not a a tremendous amount you can do for that. But what we're looking to do is have a substantial improvement for some of those smaller storms so that you don't have to move your car, so that you don't have to go out there and find out, you know, your basement's flooded or whatever on on a regular basis. whereas this curs occurs
less frequently uh for these smaller storms and that's what we were tasked with. >> Sure. So the discharge uh so the discharge would be just to the south here uh there's discharge out con system so American
region heads the east there's discharge pipe which discharges out to conra uh south south south along American Legion so it would go the water would go from Beverly Hill there would be a pipe which which routes right adjacent to the gas
station. So, right adjacent to the gas station right here. Come through American Legion Drive. Come all the way down and then there's an existing discharge area to the Conra. >> Um my last question on this and I don't know if anyone has a follow-up on that. Um I know this was asked at the January
meeting and um I think it's something that would be very important uh to me. Are you willing to um commit to funding for uh the hydraulic study before we enter into a future agreement, you know, to make sure that this is going to really do as much as we can? I know that
was asked by Chris Brown at the January meeting. >> So, the analysis that we completed was was done. Uh we completed within the last week or two. Uh so, that's what I testified or not testified to, excuse me. >> We can look we can get a copy of it to to review or >> we already provided it to your
mispering. All right, beautiful. >> Um, >> I'll let Denise go and then I have a traffic question and then I'm done. Traffic then I'm done. >> Yeah. I just have one follow-up question to the the improvement. You're talking about the smaller storms, the one to
fiveyear uh storms as opposed as opposed to the 50 to 100year storms. Right. Your summary slide, did I understand that first line that said 10, you anticipate a 10 to 15% improvement for flooding >> for the 25ear storm? for the 25 year
storm, >> right? >> But for for smaller storms, you'll see dramatic improvements. So you're for for a one-year storm, I think we showed a 50% improvement for a one-year storm. When you get up to a 25-y year storm, as the as the storms gets larger, the
percentage gets larger, get gets lower because the impact isn't as as substantial. But what we're trying to do is obviously propose a significant improvement to the community as best we can. you know, improve the capacity of the pipe that that it will function and
and help improve the and reduce the amount of flooding that occurs on a regular basis at the center. >> And there's >> Yeah. Hundreds hundreds, >> right? And you're hitting utility, right? Then you risk hitting utility if I remember that. and and and we've spoken to our client about that and they're you know that's that's something
when we get into the engineering design when we put together plans that's the hurdle that we're going to have to >> Can I ask a traffic question and then I'm done? >> Sure. >> Um so I know that at at the meeting I know the the neighbors asked for an independent uh traffic study. Has that
been done? Um they asked specifically for an independent one. So just that's what I'm asking. >> Well we obviously we wouldn't do the independent one, right? But >> so so what I what I said before I think um Deputy Mayor Belchure asked the question. Sorry I just similar questions. She asked if other studies
were done in addition to the drainage. So I mentioned we've done two traffic studies. Okay. Um dynamic traffic Jim's firm the traffic group doing the last one. We provided that to stop and shop as required under the agreement. They have their own. So this is going to be a
third traffic firm reviewing it. They've provided comments that they want us to respond to. We're working with them on that. Then we will send that that final report to the municipality and then the municipality will commission an independent reviewer of that study and
then obviously if there's comments or questions we will respond to those. >> And did any of the studies have any um degradation in the level of service for any of the intersections that were at risk? there was no sort of there would I don't want to speak as a traffic engineer councilwoman but um the way
that we looked at it there would be no significant impact on traffic in the areas >> um let's >> I think my questions are done I got through three of them >> but like but like I said for now >> the the the township's in own traffic
consultant we're we're more than confident we'll concur with the findings in the report but you'll be able to >> don't we we Collers if I remember. No, no, >> I'm good. >> There was there was at that meeting that we agre I don't know but I'm done with Mike. >> Thank you very much. Um Mike, let's wrap this up the next 30 seconds and start
our the rest of the meeting. >> Good. You're good. >> I'm good. Everyone else is good. >> Okay, guys. Okay, perfect. Thank you very much. >> All right. Thanks. >> Oh, did you did I miss you? >> Okay, so go. I'm sorry. I thought I got everyone. I apologize. No, I I just want to add something because quickly you
said that we all presented our challenges to you and and gave you our challenges and flooding has been mine from day one. From the meeting that we first had here 5 years ago where everybody came and spoke with Dena and everybody that's been working with Jackie, we have done almost as much as
we can do. We put the box cover culvert in and then we held our breath to see if it was going to flood. And then we put the detention tanks in the park and we held our breath and in tonight's packet we're actually um the bio swells. We're we're going to vote on the resolution for the bios. But it doesn't seem short
of this like there is a really big solution that's going to take the water and kick it out of that neighborhood someplace else. Um, I I went through all the steps with Chris and and with um the engineers, suggesting the tank and
suggesting the pumps and seeing what would work and what wouldn't work. And it seems like by putting the parallel pipe there to carry the water and that's a huge huge cost to a developer um to send it as much as as is going out now
to send it at the same time back out the same way can only help what's in the area. and that study what we saw the chart which I hope everybody um focused on that's huge that is a lot of water being taken out of that neighborhood and being placed someplace else quickly and
I don't know other than that what other solutions we have in our pockets to take care of that and um I just want all the neighbors to keep that in mind there's a trade-off with everything that's going on with that project this project but that's a big one
>> yes and that that proposal of dealing with that drainage and adding the extra capacity with the parallel line that is all an offsite improvement. That's not what this project would
require for storm water uh and drainage infrastructure. It's it's to benefit the neighborhood and it's it's a public benefit that's part of the entire redevelopment package. >> Excellent. Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. So, let's hit the work session
items. Um, miscellaneous, thank you very much for the pres to the presenters. Uh, miscellaneous, >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. >> Um, I wanted to uh nominate Deputy Mayor Belure to a class three as representative of the planning board. >> Okay. Are we doing this on a new
business or Okay. >> Yep. Um, and then I wanted to make a few more, but I wanted to do that one first. >> Okay. >> I also wanted to nominate Alan S to move up to a full seat on the planning board >> back in. Um, and then for board of adjustment, Harvey Rosen to renominate.
And then I wanted to move up Michael Klatsky as a full member and move up uh Ilas Muyz as uh alternate number one. >> Second >> and that's it. >> Let's let's wait for clerk. >> Okay, sure. >> Debbie Mayor Bell to class three on
planning board. What was the next one? >> Alan Stone as a full seat on the planning board. Um and then renominate uh Harvey Rosen. move up Michael Klatsky to a full seat. And >> now what was Harvey Rosen? >> Just a renomination. Keep a seat. And
Ilaz Muyz would be moving up. >> Hang on one sec. One second. Council >> hang I want the room to clear out so I could hear you. If anyone else is leaving. >> No. >> Ron, can you shut that door for me, please?
Thank you. Okay, so it's Deputy Mayor Belchure for class three, >> Alan Stone for a full seat on the planning board, >> Harvey Rosen renominate for his full seat, move up Michael Klatsky for the full seat, and move up. Uh, I'm sorry if
I say his name wrong. Ilas Muz to alternate number one on the board of adjustment. That's my That's it. >> So, Debbie Mayor Belchure, class three on planning board. Allan S to full seat on planning board. renominate Harvey Rosen to full seat on board of adjustment.
>> Yes. >> Michael Klatsky to full member on board of adjustment. >> Ilia Muez to >> alternate number one and that's all. >> Are we taking >> We're going to take more in a second. Hold on. >> Sorry. You said I'm trying to catch this too. >> Yes. >> Probably did.
>> And that was the second Doug. >> I will repeat that. Correct me if I'm wrong. Counciloman Goldberg Council Goldberg nominated Deputy Mayor Belure to class three on the planning board. Alan S to full seat on the planning board, renominating Harvey Rosen to full seat on board of adjustment. Michael
Klatsky to full member on board of adjustment. Ilas Muez to alternate one on board of adjustment. >> Yes. >> Okay. And >> did you get that Danielle? >> Yeah. Let's get I just get the >> Say it again.
>> Oh, go ahead. Did you have one, too? >> We're going to go around. >> Okay. So, I'm I think I'm next. I'm just trying to write them all down. >> Okay. So, uh, next I'd like to nominate, uh, Dwayne Harley, >> uh, to or for alternate two for the planning board. >> I'll second. >> Thank you.
>> And anybody else you want to go? >> Sorry, Debbie Mayor Belure. That was Dwayne Harley to alternate two >> for the planning board. Yes. >> And that was seconded by Casual Gilbert. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Mayor, can I add two more? Um, just to
finish off the planning board, um, Deputy Chief Seth Creel for the class two member seat just want to renew his seat. >> I believe that's us. We don't do that. >> We don't. >> That's a man. >> Okay. So, delete that one. >> All right. Just um I noticed that he was expiring. And then um for the assuming
the ultra alternate one seat is now available. Um Victoria Marina for the alternate one seat on the planning board. >> Second. Victoria, >> you can still >> So, you're nominating Victoria Marino to
plan and board. What was it? >> Um, alternate one and then I have some board of adjustments as well. Um, so renewing Leticia Williams for board of adjustment. She's a full member.
Um, promoting Omrit Ram Jatan to alternate 2, which is a two-year term. and then nominating Elliot Cobb to alternate three. This is would be a new member, new uh addition to the board of adjustment.
And then also nominating Jesse Leon as alternate 4 >> on board of adjustment. >> On board of adjustment, >> I'm sorry. Leticia Williams as board of adjustment, right? >> Yeah. >> Yes. And then I have for alultimate three and
four that um those are two-year seats but only one year remaining. I'll we'll we'll fix the dates later, but there's only one year left in their term, but they're two-year terms. >> Understood. So, one of them is filling an unexpired term. >> Correct. >> Cool. >> And then library board.
>> Wait, I'm sorry. >> I'm sorry. Go ahead. >> You nominated Victoria Marino alternate one on board of adjustment. >> On planning board. >> On planning board. Thank you. I'll send you all this. >> Yeah. Yeah. Cool. >> Leticia Williams board of adjustment. >> Yeah.
>> Omitate board adjustment. Elliot Cole bum adjustment. Jess Leo adjustment. And then library board. Um Shandre Young renewing her. I thought it was Okay, go for it. >> Shre and I'll make and I'll nominate the mayor's seat to Selen Wong. Yeah,
>> that's it. Okay. Anybody else? >> Yeah. I'd like to nominate um all the expiring I'm I'm very sorry. Uh uh Ellie, did we did Did you get a second, Danielle? >> All that. >> I'll second those.
>> Cool. Sorry. >> And then you and you did Shandra to a regular seat and you did Seline >> for the mayor's seat. Correct. >> Mayor's. Yes. Sorry. And >> I'd like to nominate all the expiring terms of the board of adjustment to be re reappointed and um elevated to um the
next seats. >> I think that was done. >> That was already done. >> No, you you left a couple people out >> on the board of adjustment. >> You got everybody. You appoint everyone. Okay. >> Daniel, just >> if you want to just repeat that, Danielle, just for the clarity. Don't mind. >> Sure. >> Um specifically board of adjustment.
Yeah. Or you also as well. Okay. Board of adjustment. Currently, um, Michael Klaskkey holds the alt one seat, but there is an open full member seat, so he would be promoted into the full member seat. >> Okay. >> The alternate two seat is currently Muis's Ilas. He would move up to the
alternate one seat. The alt 3 seat is open and the alt four seat was currently held by Omrit Ram Jatan. So, he would move into the alt 2 seat. So, that leaves alt three and alt four open. We just interviewed um Elliot Cole and Jess
Leon today and we were I just nominated both them to the alt three and alt four roles. >> I thought um Mermine was expiring. >> He was not. There's an error on the website. >> Oh >> no. >> So he just has to be renominated to his
seat. >> Okay. So then let's renominate him as well. >> You second that. We have a second on that. Second. Okay. Okay. >> Got it. >> Thank you. And let's um Okay. So, let's do roll call. >> Wait. That means we're also doing more to be renewed.
>> Yes. >> Second. >> Let's double check all these dates by January. >> But I'm asking >> for the for the actual vote, you want you want to double check the dates. Correct. And we're not we're not doing so we're not doing anything right now. There's no vote right now if that's the
case. Correct. >> These are just nominations. >> Yes. Council's nominating tonight to see a resolution on January 6, first meeting of the year. >> Correct. And should there be a special meeting, we may want to move that to that. Is that what the personnel committee's understanding was? If there's a special meeting, we'll ask you
to ask you, Mr. Clerk, to move that up. Okay. So, if that's okay. So, are we ready to move on then? Okay. Um, old business, new business, communication, committee reports by council leaison.
Um, mo the we have the municipal open space of uh report and the field advisor report. Um, how do we want to do that, Mr. Clerk? Did you >> these are typically in here just as FYI council member has some kind of >> Excellent. I read the reports the reports for the um public they are in
the packet. They are very informative. Um, probably one of our more informative reports ever. I thank our chairman uh for both Avi Berlin are in there and we hope you can do all our committee reports. >> Does he want to present them or is he good? >> I think he is. I mean, do I have a count? Does council is good on this?
Okay. Excellent. Um, council listed items, advertising trucks. Councilman Goldberg, >> you listed it. >> Excellent. Um, okay. There was um some members that approached us with a desire to discuss I believe I don't want to use the word ban too loosely. So please
someone correct me if I'm wrong. Um a a a code introduction is what we're looking for for the restricting use that word of um of advertising trucks as it relates to the elections. I'm not sure if I'm saying that properly, so feel
free to um edit that. >> I I don't know if it's just the elections. I think it's also just a traffic issue, but I think it was permitted. Like I I don't know the right wording, but and I don't think we can limit it to elections. I think in general there's like a traffic issue with it. Like driving. >> We had a few issue a year ago where
several years back where there was trucks that drive around town not making deliveries, but the sole purpose is to f function as an advertising vehicle. And as such, what we're looking to do is require permits on that um in in the future. So, what we're looking to do is nodding heads on that or a conversation
on that. >> I'm a I'm a yes on that. >> Nodding heads. Okay. >> Okay. I I have a couple questions here. Uh what makes this different than um any other type of truck that's advertising or perhaps even a billboard that is
digital that um displays information. I'm just trying to understand the scope. >> Absolutely. Um and I'll tell you the scope and also tell you the workaround. The difference is that a truck's making a delivery also functions as advertisement, but its primary job is to actually make a delivery from point A to
point B, not to simply drive around uh emitting emissions and traffic to promote their advertising. So, should someone want to get around this rule, they can function as an Uber driver, they can function as Uber Eats, and that would actually accomplish it. But the sole purpose of an advert a vehicle
solely to advertise and not make a delivery is a definition of this. So, how many trucks do we suppose ride through our town that's not making deliveries that are maybe going from one town to another town and just happens to be driving through Tene? Uh, one could
say that uh, you know, that this is kind of like a slippery uh, slope when when it comes to you know identifying you know the purpose of every truck that has a message on the side. >> There's a very very very valid point. So, for example, if it's election season
and it's saying vote for ABC and driving around town, I'm pretty sure they're not heading to Cliffside Park if they're talking about Tene elections. So, I think that is specifically one of the concerns. It could be any other concerns, but as it relates to uh Tenebased uh advertising, I would
imagine they're not going to park or to um Elman Park as well. So, so our our intent here is just to restrict that the the uh any any type of verbiage as it pertains to T-neck u elections. Is is that the goal? >> That is that that absolutely the can the
comments >> just election. >> I'm sorry. The Can I Can I Can I finish I can finish talking though. What I'm referring to is the complaints that came from the public the complaints did not come from me. The complaints came from the public. You can by all means open them were based on T-neck elections. It
could be anything else. It could be a truck that says grand opening at stop and shop. I'm anywhere. Please come and visit and driving around. It could be anything related to that that we can control. Again, this is why we have a healthy conversation. This is why we have dialogue. If we don't have the nodding heads, so be it. Um, we're
presenting it. We don't yell and scream about it. So, maybe some people do. >> Mr. M, do you mean sound trucks? Maybe that's the better clarification. I think like is that um I don't know if that's the right word. >> Referring to physical deliver physical advertising trucks if you want to modify it. Again, I'm acting on what people's
request to me was. So, I'm you know, I'm open to anything having a conversation. >> So, yeah, go ahead. >> I I can't imagine this is the first time this has come up in a town and there must be some case law for this. Is it possible to just ask for some information for our next meeting? >> Sure.
>> We're we're in no rush for this. So, absolutely. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, yeah. Know, my concern is just the legality of this. It seems like it would be very difficult to implement. How can you limit advertising on one truck but not another based on the the whatever speech is on that
truck? Yes, sir. >> Um I think this would be really difficult for us to legally um uh implement and and hold people accountable to. Um >> okay, that's why I guess we ask for our attorney see if he says no. I guess that answer is >> okay fair enough. Thank you.
>> Okay, we'll have turn over to our attorney. Um township managers uh township manager report. Thank you, mayor, and good evening, council and township residents. Leave collection has come to a close as of yesterday, December 8th. Any additional
leaves placed to the curb must be bagged. As you are aware, we did a trial of no park a no parking approach to several street streets and are still reviewing the efficiency. We also used an open rolloff this year which
increased our weekly pickup efficiency from 4,400 yards per week to over 6,000 yards of uh leaves picked up per week this year. Total yards collected to date is 18,200. We will complete our final pass this
week. The township's annual toy drive has um just a few more days left. December 15th is the last day for the drop off of of toys to our township locations. Thank you to the O of you that have participated.
Please join us for our annual Manora lighting celebration which is scheduled for December 15th at 5:30 p.m. on the municipal green. Music, fresh donut donuts, lotkas, hot cider, and hot cocoa will be served for all.
Santa Claus is coming to Tene on Sunday, December 21st at 400 PM. The route is posted on our website. Santa will only pass once to wave to our Tene families this holiday season. So, please refer to the website for locations. Our first Quanza event is scheduled for
Sunday, December 28th at 4 p.m. in council chambers. At 5:00 p.m., join us on the municipal green to light the canara for the first time as a community. PSCG began the delivery of the switch gear to the substation on Palisade Avenue today and will continue
with several pieces of equipment this week and possibly Monday, December 15th. Please be reminded that this is intended to upgrade >> the existing substations around the state for continuity. There may be some disruption to roa center programming.
So, please stay informed. Please be advised that our social worker will now be scheduled on Wednesdays at the Roa Center for our seniors and for residents that need assistance. Our pedestrian safety demo project to include the installation of curb
extensions is in the post survey review phase. Our team will be meeting this week to go over the responses and next steps. The township traffic bureau and Easyide continue to review and work on new initiatives to improve areas in need
of pedestrian safety upgrade. For our grant updates, we are currently preparing our CDBG applications that are due later this month. Some project updates for you. Um, our Argon Park tennis court is officially reopened.
Bell Avenue Bio Swalls. The bids were reopened on November 25th and the contract will be awarded at an upcoming council meeting. The Brooks Park exercise station, the lowest bidder is developed builders with a total bid of $180,680.
We will plan to award at our next meeting and the restroom design is in the final review phase. Sagamore Park improvements is now in the design phase as well. Maple Avenue improvements. We are addressing some punch list items.
The Phelps Park splash pad. The contractor has submitted drawings and is now getting some building permits to start work in the coming weeks. Palisade Avenue, West Trion, and Goway Place improvements. Construction began in November. Concrete work is complete
and the milling and paving will take place in the spring. Livingston Place and Clinton Place sewer line replacement is out to bid and the opening date is December 30th. Griggs Avenue, Van Beern Avenue and Heric Avenue from Palisades A to the
dead end of Heric Park is now in the design phase as well. Some general um a general update for you. On December 3rd, 2025, the township successfully sold two notes, one for 32 million to Jeff LLC at
a net interest cost of 2.59% and the other for 3.5 million to Pake Valley Water Commission at a net interest cost of 3.89 3.89%. The loans will close on December 15th
and proceeds will be used to temporarily to temporarily finance the costs of various capital improvements and acquisitions and to finance various special emergency ordinances. The township secured a quite favorable
rate for both these one-year bond anticipation notes. Special thanks to our CFO Issa Abasi and our financial adviserss. Wishing you and your families a merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, happy Quanza, and a happy and healthy new
year. Thank you, Mayor. >> Miss Hashmat, >> can I ask a question, Mr. Mayor? >> I keep getting questions about the scaffolding on Cedar Lane. Do we know if that project has started yet? >> Um, the project has started right now. Um, I did ask our construction official, I did get some email requests also about
the um the project that's underway. They are doing some testing and the the scaffolding will stay up for a couple more weeks. It's for protection of pedestrian safety. >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Uh township attorney's report. Anything more, Mr. Attorney? >> Nothing more, Mr. Mayor.
>> Excellent. Okay. I think that takes us to welfare. I apologize. Second. Uh that I apolog Yes. Okay. Um >> Mr. Mayor, one second. I'm sorry.
>> Yes. Um >> page five. Sorry. Okay. I apologize. Okay. Ordinance. So, >> yes. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> Well, we're going to go to ordinances. Just >> I have a question on the ordinances. >> Okay. So, hold on. Let me just open up. Um, we got a public hearing and the
adoption of ordinances. Um, which we do a hearing first and you have a question or you want a question. May can can you explain 412025? Like what is the impetus for this? What is the reason? What is it doing?
>> Okay. Um, Mr. Tra, do you want to jump into that? That's on 4125 as it relates to the um application review committee. >> Oh, okay. The application review committee. So, that was an ordinance that was uh that was requested by our
planning board chairman, Chris Brown. uh it was to is primarily to clarify the responsibilities of the uh board secretary versus other members of the application review committee in terms of who is supposed to notify applicants
about different parts of the process. So, for example, uh when when an application is being deemed complete or not or or being uh forwarded over to the rest to the board for consideration, it's really clarifying primarily who it is that is responsible for actually notifying the applicant in that case.
While we were doing that, we cleaned up a couple of the other wording like some of the typos and other things like that. That's primarily what it's meant for. So, in that first paragraph, >> are we creating any additional um filters or or challenges for our
residents with this with the creation of this or >> No, this this is just this I think probably going to make it a little easier in that it it defines who it is that they're going to be contact in contact with, which is the board secretary. That way, they're not being contacted by other other professionals
uh to that use issues. >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. Um, we're going [clears throat] to call them. I mean, to do you want to read usually read the first or second. I apologize. I'm just out of sorts here. >> Deputy clerk Dorcha will read the ordinances into the record. >> Okay. Please go ahead.
>> All right. So, we have two ordinances up for adoption. Ordinance 40-2025 amending section 36-11.2 of chapter 36 of the township code for the township of Tene adding a restricted on street parking space for handicap
parking at 157 Sherman Avenue. and then ordinance 41-2025 which is amending the township code for the township of teen act to clarify the actions of the application review committee. >> Thank you very much. We're going to open up the hearing to the public. This is for the public to speak and testify on
this matter, these two matters only. Nothing else but these two specific matters. After that, we'll turn that over to Zoom. Is there anyone in the public that wants to talk to these two? Chair Brown, >> Chris Brown, Bell Avenue to Councilman Cass Point. Uh the purpose for the ARC
ordinance is just to clear up some ambiguity with the current um their current chapter, the section in uh in chapter uh 33. Uh currently there's a blind spot in the ordinance as a corporation council has stated and um there isn't much direction to how an
application is deemed complete. So the question of how is being answered by the proposed ordinance or at least that's the intent of it. Um there's going to be there has to be some additional changes to the ordinance, some additional changes and next steps. was looking at um the chapter in terms of how it's
implemented and uh we're going to work on that in the coming months and hopefully there will be some further cleanup introduced in the coming meetings. >> Thank you very much. >> Um anyone else in the public want to talk on these two matters? See no other
hands. Anyone on Zoom? Mr. Clerk, seeing no one else, this hearing is now over. Mr. Clerk or Mr. Clerk, please take the roll call on 40 and 41 of 2025. We'll do it both together. I'll make a motion, too. >> Oh, sorry. That would help. >> I'll second. >> And we have a second. So, motion by Counciloman, seconded by Council
Goldberg. Roll call, please. >> Councilwoman Goldberg, >> yes to both. >> Councilman Fagan, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Jay, >> yes. >> Councilman Katz, >> yes. >> Deputy Mayor Belchure, >> yes. >> Deputy Mayor Organ, >> yes. >> Mayor Schwarz, >> yes. The ordinances pass. This point,
we're going to open up the meeting to good and welfare. Anything and everything is on the agenda. You have three minutes and I'm briefly going to turn over the microphone to Deputy Mayor Organ while I step out for a minute. >> Great. Um, I will start on this side of the
room first. >> Hello. Uh, Lisa by Linda Gray, Esther Avenue. Uh, this is in reference to the crossroads presentation. I represent tonight the coalition of neighborhood associations and also the leadership
group of the northwest of Cedar Lane Neighborhood Association. Uh very interested in the crossroads development. I live a half a block away. Um my first question is I think this will be my only because I think the other one was answered. Uh our biggest one of our
biggest concerns, not the only concern and not the only big concern is how this crossroads proposed project uh may impact any future redevelopment of Cedar Lane. I think some of you have already discussed this with us. Um particularly
the block between Garrison Avenue and Windsor Road. If buildings come up to the back of Cedar Lane buildings, it seems that this would be a major impediment to replacing old outdated stores that have not been able to sustain a thriving shopping area.
Councilman, Deputy Mayor Katz, you spoke about parking. We have lot We will have lots of parking. I don't know where people will shop. There are not thriving businesses on Cedar Lane. There are not sustainable businesses on Cedar Lane. Um
it's been a problem for a long time. People come through Cedar Lane, they don't stop. If we build buildings up right up to the back of Cedar Lane, there is no way that those buildings can be redeveloped in a way that would attract big businesses and thriving
businesses for this community. And we really feel that Cedar Lane should be a focus of redevelopment um and really needs to be refurbished as do all of our shopping areas in town. Thank you. and give
okay in the back row either one. Hello all the brown Elm Avenue. I'm concerned about, if I'm still correct, that uh when there's snow, a certain amount of inches of snow, there's no
street parking. Am I correct with that still? So, what happens to the people who live on Alma Terrace, which is going to be all taken away and on the other side of of Stop and Shop.
And these people have no driveways to park. Where where are they going to go and park? They they have to walk across Cedar Lane in the snow to get to the garage on Beverly Road. >> Am I making sense? >> We We'll answer after. We don't answer
now. Thank you. [clears throat] Debbie Elahu. Hi, good evening. Um, I I I seem to be missing something in this whole Crossroads
episode. I I understood I was listening to this presentation today and I'm thinking I'm I'm definitely missing something. They're talking about this this project and all the public input and all the changes have been made
and this this group and I live pretty close to this project. I'm on Garrison Avenue and I'm thinking they they seem all so happy with this. Where are all the people that are so
excited that this is going to happen? I haven't heard of them. I don't know. The the the guy who decided that this is blighted. And blighted is a really heavy word. I don't see any blight in it. When
I drive by, I don't see blight. I have lived in neighborhoods where there is blight. This doesn't look it. It's just a an empty parking lot that people park in and that they have a farmers market. That's not blight.
The stop and shop isn't next to blight. The American Legion Drive isn't blight. It's just a parking lot. So, first of all, I don't see the whole need for redevelopment. Second, um, when it turned out that the
developer had a connection to Crossroads, I don't think it should have continued. It just doesn't seem right to me. Um, the whole thing, I don't know when all of these objections went away and everything
turned nice. I don't know. I must be missing something. But that's neither here nor there. Um, I think that I I don't know. I just don't think that these high-priced apartments are going
to solve things by being put in the middle of town. Um, and the idea of a parking garage doesn't seem to me such a safe thing at night as as I feel safe going in the park in
the open parking lot with lights. But I do want to ask another question. If these people want to um commute by New Jersey Transit, is New Jersey Transit going to be able to provide transportation
for additional people? Because when I spoke a couple of years ago to the vice president of buses, he said they can't do anything about providing additional buses, etc. uh for the coming years. So, I haven't heard
anything about that. So, uh I think that would be something interesting to know. Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much, Mr. >> and happy holidays to everybody. >> Happy holidays. Um Mr. Brown, >> Mr. Seagull, you'll be next.
And Chris Brown, Bell Avenue. um looking at the my reflection. All right, there we go. I had the same issue at work where I work at the town that I work the microphone always goes up and down. It's just this weird thing. Um so I haven't uh been to council chambers uh
in number of u weeks, couple months, busy schedule. Um so I have not been here to say formally, you know, thank you everyone. The Sycamore tanks were put in. It was a long road getting there. Um, it was a successful project and then October 30th happened and it
still flooded which is, you know, I I'll tell you it was an improved flooding situation, so it was better. Um, you know, the water didn't go to where it usually goes, so that's that's good. You we got to like take our winds where we can get them. Um, that being said, I,
you know, the hill that we had to climb to get to this point to put tanks in Sagamore, um, countless hours on the phone with many of you, all all of you, um, getting here, I shudder to think,
um, the reality of having the town do the work necessary in the parking lot to get to the next step. Um, do I want to see an apartment building across the street from my house? No. And I'm probably in the unique situation. I keep saying this every time I go up here. I'm
in a unique situation where like it literally is in my sideyard. Um, so you know, take that all for what it's worth. Do I want to see that there? No. It's not the first thing I'd ask for. But I will tell you, every time it rains really hard and I have to deal with, you
know, all of the externalities of that, that's actually worse. So, um, you know, given the circumstances, if we can work with Crossroads to make the project as good and as best as it can be, that's
wonderful. Um, I have met with them and we have met with them, I would say, as a group, uh, over the last however couple years. Um, some of the improvements or some of the adjustments that they've made to the project have been the result of us pushing. So, also you can't sneeze
at that. So, um I look forward to you all continuing to push them, continue to work with them, and uh to hold their feet to the fire with making sure that the improvements that they're proposing to make on uh on on on Beverly and
Cedar, um make sure that that's done in the best way possible to make sure that our drainage situation is improved. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Brown, Mr. Seagull, then Dr. Y. Good evening. Rich Seagull. I'm a
26-year homeowner here in T-neck. Um, wow, that was a lot to sit through, but uh it was an education, too. Um, we had uh a demonstration last week against yet another uh illegal Israeli real
estate event and um the Jewish community a year and a half ago was uh given a cease and desist order that cited that 22 laws were being violated by these events. And the Jewish community obviously just doesn't care.
They're just entitled. Um, so, uh, I I noticed that this, uh, reporting on it in in your paper, Mr. Mayor, says that anti-semitic protesters face rallying Jewish pride group in
Tene. That's really loaded. And the the photo that is supposedly of the anti-semitic protesters, uh, the two people who are clearly visible in the photo are both Jewish. So, you can't really frame this as Jew
versus anti-Semite. It's just not accurate. Um, there have been a lot of demonstrations in this town. I've organized some. I've been to most of them. There have been Jewish people present at all of them. There is a significant Jewish population that
opposes the genocide that Israel's been committing and opposes the illegal activity that's been going on in this town. I also want to um talk about your um Holocaust memorial
that you're going to be discussing later. Um as you know, I'm Jewish. Um you don't know that um members of my family were murdered by the Nazis. Um it makes me really angry when the murder of
my family members is used to provide cover for Zionist atrocities. Okay, they didn't die in order to justify a genocide in Gaza. Okay, this is an extremely inappropriate time
to put up a memorial to Jewish suffering when in Gaza there have been 70,300 people murdered by the Jewish state of Israel. That's just the official number. We know that it's actually much higher
than that. Yeah, I hear all of the jeering in the background. Hopefully, I won't be assaulted this time. I also had a very disturbing death threat recently. Shouldn't be putting up a Holocaust
memorial now unless it also includes a Nakba memorial. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, Mr. Thank you for letting me speak, Mr. Mayor. Sorry to have to follow that. Hi, I'm
Norman Leven. I live on Tillen Avenue. Uh I I as all of us here we've sat through nearly a two-hour presentation on the development and I have to say I feel somewhat disrespected that
they the prof professionals got to speak. You each got to ask questions but then we were not entitled to speak and now the principles the architect the civil engineer the site planner have all left. you you did us a disservice and it
would have been appropriate rather than discussing uh the other items on your agenda to have allowed us to address those people while they're here. I do want to say uh to Mr. Duval. Uh, you had referred to, you've heard community
comments. He's left. >> Um, but as I recall, >> the the principles are in the room. Please continue speaking. >> As I recall, those were not comments particularly. They were objections to the parking
garage. And it seems to be a done deal. People have said they do not want to use a parking garage. That seems to be the consistent message I kept hearing and yet it's a done deal. I'm so I'm voicing my very stridident objection to the
being a parking garage. The other comment I'd like to make is I heard reference to the commercial space on Beverly Road. We can't fill the commercial space on Cedar Lane. How can you hope to to compete with Cedar Lane by having additional commercial space?
that seems inappropriate and I would ask our attorney to make a note of that in his address to the uh representative the attorney of the uh development company. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. Dr. Yix, >> good evening. Phil Yak, you know me. Um, so you know, I've spoken a lot about this development and you know, where I live and know about the flooding situation and so forth. So I understand how all this works. I've been on on this
for several years now. So, but I think there has to be a better way to fulfill our affordable housing needs and requirements than urbanizing our town and destroying peaceful, quiet neighborhoods. Incremental development that would spread throughout town would thin
traffic instead of concentrating hundreds of cars in one very small defined area. I don't really care about their traffic studies. Every traffic study I've ever heard of, it's always no problem. But we know we know we live here. We know what the traffic is like.
I have never in all my years here, 47 years living in Tene, seen so much traffic on Cedar Lane and Tene Road. It's unbelievable. I was on Cedar Lane the other day. The traffic was backed up from Palisade all the way back to maybe
Elm or further. It was insane. And we're going to add another 450 cars to that neighborhood. I don't know what you're thinking. I understand there's a settlement agreement. I know all the legalities and all that stuff. Um uh uh
this is a very bad plan. My prediction, you may disagree, is that it's going to destroy Cedar Lane, not help Cedar Lane. Build it and they will come. They're going to launch Cedar Lane. It's not going to happen. And and what Lisa Gray said was absolutely right. I was actually happy to hear Chris Brown say,
"I don't really want an apartment across the street from my house." That's the first time I've heard him say that. I've had numerous conversations. He's my neighbor and my friend and he doesn't want an apartment building. He just wants the flooding resolved. We all want the flooding resolved. So I talked to
the engineer outside. I said, "You know, you think this is a hundred-year storm. No such thing anymore. No such thing. No more hundred-year storms. It's going to be much more often." And he didn't understand. We have when we have a storm, and even this flooding was much better. I I missed the storm. I was at
the gym, so I didn't see it, but I heard it was better. But I've lived there. I've seen two, three feet of water on the street during storms. And and and the the I'm glad to see that the town has done stuff and is continuing to do stuff. I'm very happy about that. But I
don't think uh I don't think and I'm happy to hear that if there is going to be development there that they will remediate the flooding further. Um but they need to understand what the flooding problem. This is not a curb up to the curb flooding situation. This is a serious flooding situation. And um Uh
so uh that's pretty much Yes. One more thing. You remember when I said to you they should build on that empty lot on Winthrop Road? Well, I heard that that property was subdivided now for development. Too bad because I think you should build where rich people live,
including if you're going to build where working people live. >> Thank you very much. Clara, did I hear you? Clar. Good evening everyone. I'm Clara Williams and I have to read this disclaimer first. The views and opinions
expressed in this letter are my own and are made solely in my capacity as a private citizen. They do not represent the views, positions, and policies of the Tene Board of Education of any and any of the members. Any statements, posts, or comments made here are
personal expressions protected under the First Amendment and are not made in my official capacity as a board member in accordance with the New Jersey School Ethics Act, NJSA18A12-21 XA and uh and related uh regulations.
Okay. Lost my notes. I just hit the wrong button. Oh my goodness. I know. No, it's too much for me not to be able to read it.
I'll have to come back after I pull up the note. >> Gentlemen, the gentleman in the back. Paul, you go next. >> My [clears throat] name is Jay Hanini. Um,
so I know that the idea that there's anti-semitism on the rise, the only thing I see on the rise is more monuments, museums, and memorials dedicated to an event that didn't happen on this soil.
If anything, T-neck should lead the way in building a memorial for blacks who suffered in this country who were enslaved or to indigenous people that were wiped out.
Or how about the USS Liberty that was attacked by Israel? How about teen step up and honor the veterans that died for this country in the hands of Israeli terrorists?
How about that? Now, in relation to the protest that we had, you say it's anti-semitism. Sir, when I got there, there were at least four Israeli flags. Not one was an American.
When I called that out, the sneaky bastards brought out an American flag after the fact because their their their lack of patriotism was revealed. Then they had the audacity
to sing the Israeli anthem, not even the American anthem. Again, I called them out on that. Then they decide to sing the American anthem. There's a fifth column in this country and it's Zionism.
They are undermining our institutions. They are infiltrating our government. And that's something you people should be concerned about. Not anti-semitism that doesn't exist. The only thing that exists is anti-Americanism
by a fifth column Zionist uh cabal in this country. That's all I have to say. Paula Rego and I'm um representing the Coalition of Neighborhood Associations working for a better T-neck. Um I I
heard in during the presentation something about giving away parking lots. It it I wrote it down. It kind of jarred me. Um, the question that I asked I'm asking on behalf of our coalition was was answered, but I'm going to ask
it again. As required by state statute, has there been an appraisal done of the value of the two municipal parking lots that Tene will be transferring to the developer as part of this development?
When will that happen? And it's really really important to residents that we know that be that information because we are not giving away our municipal parking lots. Those are our municipal parking lots. So we need that
information. Um another question was asked by uh Wita Brown who live who also has to maneuver her way out uh onto Cedar Lane as I do and as many of the residents do. And one of the questions is during the during the snowstorms,
we're given a notice that we that people in the apartments or people who don't have adequate parking should park in the municipal lot on American Legion Drive. We always get that notice. I've gotten it for 42 years. Um people in the apartments on Lynen Elm large Elma
Terrace are given those notices. That's hundreds of residents are given that notice. Where will they park during the next big snowstorm once uh if this uh complex is built?
Um you talk about the drainage from north of Cedar Lane going through pipes on American Legion Drive and then out into they said Conrail, but as far as I know these are CSX tracks, although the two rail companies work together often.
Um, so the water from the north side of Cedar Lane is going to flood over, you know, don't forget the water comes down the hill down north down Elma and into the tracks. So now, how are these trains
going to operate if the water from north of Cedar Lane and south of Cedar Lane goes into the tracks? That's a very very significant question because trains are absolutely important in in the economy of our and in the economy. They're very
very important. Um also you need to know that the the building on Elma is going to be going like an L. That means the water coming down down down the hill is going to be blocked and trapped by the new building
that's being proposed is going to be a disaster. So I ask once again that that area be investigated in terms of flooding. >> Thank you very much Paul. U before we call the next uh person up I just want to make a motion to extend the meeting by an hour. All
>> in favor? I >> extend. to so extent >> after No, not not yet. We're going to we're going to get some other people first and we'll get back. >> Good evening, council. Um my name is Robert Lazerop on Beer Street, Tene. Um,
this past summer, the Northwest of Cedar Lane Neighborhood Association, of which I'm a member, set up a table at the T-neck Farmers Market, ground zero of this proposed multi-level garage and luxury apartment project, and got a chance to meet with fellow neighbors and
shoppers and discuss the future of what such a development would mean for life in this neighborhood, the future of the farmers market, and Tene in general. So, we did. And what struck us the most in our discussions this past summer was how
many of our fellow Tene residents had no idea that this massive development is even in the works. It disturbed me and still does that communication of such vital information has not been transparent that so many residents have
been continuously left in the dark about forces that will dramatically change life in this neighborhood. This redevelopment plan started during the early dark days of COVID when virtually no one was paying attention and has since spread like a hydra with one vital
piece missing, community awareness and meaningful involvement of what this project will mean for the future of Tene. At past town council meetings, I've heard it said from the council that residents against this redevelopment are
not speaking for the many residents who don't show up to meetings but silently support it. However, at the farmers market this summer, we did not meet anyone who was in support of this redevelopment. Instead, we talked to folks who were completely unaware that
this crossroads debacle is happening. And many residents voiced additional concerns. What happens to a thriving farmers market? Well, we saw tonight it's going to be a little sidewalk in front of uh, you know, some of the buildings on Garrison. But what happens to the farmers market
when bulldozers come and tear this apart? Why the need for parking garages when the lots themselves are recently repaved and parking is plentiful? This is no Verizon abandoned ratinfested Verizon building. Councilman Katz,
why luxury housing with a small percentage to be affordable when what T-neck needs is 100% affordable housing? Why rip up and develop the streets behind Cedar Lane when the real problem, what truly needs rethinking and redevelopment is Cedar Lane itself?
Through our outreach this summer at the farmers market, we signed up over 50 fellow neighbors in our district who shared our concerns about what is coming down the pike. My neighbors in the Northwest are not happy with the direction of this project, nor the way that information has been forthcoming
from the town. Tene needs a way moving forward in dealing with making affording affordable housing available, but this ill- fated luxury land grab is not it. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you very much. Um, Councilwoman
Javon Rice, I think that's you. Hi, >> good evening. It's been a minute since I've been in these chambers. So, good evening everyone. And I just want to begin as you mentioned just van man vice. I want to say thank you to the council for the reflection of inclusion during the upcoming holidays with our
Hanukkah, Christmas and this year the addition of Kwanza all in se celebration of our richly diverse population. Within the last two hours, we had a presentation of Crossroads seeking to attract parking businesses and residents. But how welcoming is a
memorial in the center of town that only represents one group of people? Which brings me to my concerns about the resolution 319 2025 approving the parameters of the Holocaust Memorial. Honoring the experiences and sufferings of any group is important and
meaningful, but doing so in a public shared community space must be approached with care. When a municipality formally acknowledges one group to the exclusion of others who have also experienced loss, trauma, and historical injustice on these very
soils. In fact, in Tene, the gesture can create feelings of separation rather than solidarity. I know this has been a project 10 years in the making, but any memorial on public property must be carefully considered. The original plan
was for a garden of human understanding, which would have been much more in line with the vision for Tene, but I realize that that ship has now since sailed. But in a diverse community, many residents carry their own histories, identities, and painful memories. Elevating the
narrative of one group in a prominent civic location will lead other community members to feel unseen, unrepresented, or less valued. Instead of fostering a sense of collective belongingness, it risk reinforcing division by signaling that some histories are prioritized over
others. I am sure that there will be many groups that will be coming forth now making similar requests and having a crowded memorial on our greens. But true unity arises when public spaces reflect the full spectrum of the community stories. Acknowledging only one single
group can inadvertently hinder that goal. Creating an environment where recognition is perceived as selective rather than inclusive. So to strengthen community cohesion, it is vital that public acknowledgement be guided by principles of inclusivity, mutual respect, and shared ownership of the
municipal green space that belongs to all Tene residents. Thank you. So Steve, go next. Sorry. Sorry. >> Uh Victoria Marino Martens Avenue. I am that statistic that average 40-year-old person who can buy a house for the first time. That guy was talking about me.
Anyway, um I am asking a question on behalf of Aisha on Bell Avenue just being a good neighbor. Uh she said that her family and herself used the entrance and exit behind the Delta gas station and the pathway by the bank to walk to Cedar Lane. She was wondering if this
access will be closed off. I know that's quite granular, so even if that's not answered now by Crossroads, at what point in the planning process does that get covered? Would be great. Thank you. First I want to clarify for those who don't know that the garden to nurture human understanding which is a term that
we created was is open to all groups and only one other group has come forward in all these years. So the thought that many groups are going to be coming here to create memorials is simply not true because these memorials have to be
privately funded and that's when people say we're going to create a memorial for this and that and the other thing but they have no money for it and the township is not paying for these things that becomes a different problem. The enslaved African memorial committee from
my understanding is still working to get their memorial done. So in all these years only two groups have come forward. As far as the memorial um on the something that happened in other soil,
let's point out that World War II, World War I, the Korean War, all those memorials are on the green right now, though certainly did not happen anywhere else. I also want to point out that there are thou, excuse me, there are thousands of people in this community,
myself included, who lost relatives who had parents who survived the war. And believe me, this is not something that's done to exclude anybody else. The green is open to anybody else who wants to do
a memorial in a positive way. We want to do this as an educational experience as well as a place to memorialize those who were killed or those who survived. And any other political football that anybody wants to make of this is simply
not true. And this will be something that um will be a positive thing for our community. Just like a Holocaust museum, just like a museum to enslaved Africans, it's meant to educate people. It's not meant to divide people and anybody who
wants to take this and switch it and change the intention is simply doing it for their own political nonsense. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Anybody else like to speak? I saw some hands over there. >> Larry, you'll finish up next.
>> Rishma Khan, Tene President. Um, first I speak on my own uh behalf. Thank you Mr. Fox for clarifying that so Tina can uphold our diversity, equity, and inclusive principles by opening it up. And I encourage all my fellow neighbors
to bring their requests to the town council for uh me memorializing other forms of oppression, injustice, global genocides, um and global holocausts that have happened. So we can actually show that we are a global community. Think local, act global. Or maybe it's the
other way around. Um now I'm speaking on behalf of the coalition of neighborhood associations as it was mighty clear almost not almost everyone who came up here to respond to the crossroads presentation which u was fabulous in
trying to cover all bases has been against this project. So I am appalled at this stage to think how this project has even been progressing with this much of clear and consistent public opposition. At what point will we have
to tell you that the neighbors around are going to be impacted further beyond everything that has been considered and it is clear that uh so far we have not had full transparency into the financials and the long-term benefits to Tene residents. Yes, there will be a
vibrant community, but uh several times I have discussed with esteemed council members. We have to actually develop what exists of drab cereal in right now before we start adding more people, buildings and cars to this area. So, um I think that's blatantly obvious and we
are missing um as um Deputy Mayor Belchure rightly pointed out, we are missing a comprehensive environmental study because we are really building and this is the town we're going to leave for a few generations. So, when will these questions be
answered? As much as um we are being silenced with uh the beautiful myriad um legal presentations from experts and professionals, we will continue to voice ourselves when we come up here. So uh that's really the big question mark. Why
are we going ahead with this project when there is so much of ambiguity from neighbors and we don't have a consistent community communication around this and it's been 5 years. So, it's not just the people up here on the desk, but people consistently council members have failed
residents in this matter. Thank you. And uh wishing everyone happy holidays. >> Thank you very much. >> Um Clara, if you can please come up and say those thoughts you missed. No need on the disclaimer. Disclaimer noted. >> Thank you. Members of the council and neighbors and
friends, I stand here before you as a 55year resident of Tene who cares deeply about the town. In recent weeks, I have received emails, online posts, and even some members of the council have accused
me of anti-semitism. That is a very serious charge and it cuts against everything I believe in and that I work for. As an African-American woman, I know
what it means to be constantly be on the receiving end of hateriven tang targeting and harmful labeling just for being who I am. Since I was young, I've
carried the weight of stereotyping and suspicion. And that is exactly why I have always been against hateful rhetoric and coded language toward others. Let me state this clearly. I
reject anti-semitism in all of its forms. There is no place in my mind in [clears throat] in teen where anti-semitism, racism, islamophobia, anti-LGBTQ
hate, and sexism, and I may might need to add Buddhism. During the period during the board of education campaign, I first learned from deputy mayor Karen Oregon the at the library rededication that a supporter
had shared a video and people were trying to link it to my campaign. At that time I tried to make it clear that I did not create, post or approve of any such video. She told me it had
already been taken down and until that conversation I did not know it existed. Let me be clear again that I do not support any content that
uses charged imagery about Jewish people or any groups. Even if the intent is to speak about local control or issues, the effect of that imagery is in poor taste. Our campaign was not linked to that video
whatsoever. I cannot I cannot control every social media post made by every supporter. Just like you can't control post from the council, nor can you control your
supporters posts. None of us can. But I can control my response. And I set and enforce clear standards. So I can't finish this letter. I will send it to you. But I basically want you
to understand that we all have a part in this um making sure that there's no anti-semitism, there's no racism, and to and to reach out to your colleagues and ask them before you make accusations.
>> Thank you very much and congratulations on your win. Um Dr. Puit, is there anyone else? Oh, okay. This Sorry about having the change of location.
I'm here because I love this town. Tonight, we're going to make a decision as to whether or not Tene is the multicultural mecca of America.
We're going to have to be real careful about that for one particular reason. Teneck was a center of slavery in Bergen County along Pakasak River. There have been
developments where people worked in slavery and if we want to celebrate human rights, we ought to look at what happened to people right here at home. I think it's a very very dangerous position for us to
take especially with the world conditions as they are to put a memorial for the Holocaust which was in Europe on the village green
at this particular time. Thank you. >> Thank you Dr. Puit. Is there anyone else in the chambers that like to speak? Anybody else? Mr. >> Good evening, Council Ray Adderson Teneck. Um, I want to have a few words
because I think it was so eloquently spoke about spoken about in terms of the monument. I believe monuments are very important. Um there's no denying that. But I think there's a place for monuments that will service everyone.
And at this time in this country, in this world, I don't think we need to display a monument that on the village green that because the village green belongs to everyone. And once we start putting
monuments on the green, then every diverse community should have an opportunity to put their monuments as well. I was a member of the original EMC committee where we were going to do the
monument with Mr. Fox. It did not materialize. Having second thoughts, if we want to do the right thing, what we should do is not have any monuments on the village green that everyone in town has their
money invested in. And uh Councilwoman Rice was so apppropo on what she spoke about. So it doesn't uh I will not repeat it because I can't anyway. But she was so on target on what she said on
why we should be more diverse and think about it as Dr. Puit mentioned. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay. Is there anyone else in chambers before we go to Zoom? Okay. Mr. Clerk, I turn it over to you, sir.
Bringing in Keith Kaplan. >> Hello. Can you hear me? >> Hang on one second. Keith, can you just turn zoom up just a little bit? Ron, please give me another one, two, sir. Sorry. >> Can you hear me? >> Loud and clear, sir.
>> Is video working? >> Uh, it takes a little too long with the camera. I just have the microphone on. Uh-huh. I see. [gasps] Okay. Uh, you know, I hear that the uh monuments don't belong on the green because the green
belongs to everyone. School district also belongs to everyone. And the BOE in virtually every state, including New Jersey, is responsible for implementing curriculum requirements which include Holocaust education because it aligns
with the core educational goals of fostering tolerance, critical thinking, and civic responsibility. And to call it divisive directly contradicts the BOE's implicit and explicit findings that education serves
a unifying educational purpose for the entire student body. And that's exactly what this memorial does. It serves an educational purpose that two prior and current board of ed
members who were responsible for ensuring this education happens throughout the district would call such a memorial divisive. It shows that it the education seems not to be penetrating to a certain level for
the adults in our community. And to bring up, uh, I understand that, uh, Trustee Williams said that she was not responsible for the video, but she was responsible for the advertising truck that went around town on election day.
And that advertising truck said, "Stop the non-public takeover." You had one Jewish candidate running and she said, "Stop the nonpublic takeover." It doesn't take a dog whistle or a
decoder ring to see what she's talking about. It's reprehensible. It's deserving of censure. And the ethics charges currently pending against her and the civil rights issues pending against her will bear out a lot of what
she has done over the course of time. But I bring it up here because I want to make sure that no matter how reprehensible Claraara Williams might be and no matter how disturbing her message might be, this council does not make an
ordinance based on the horrible topics that she puts on a truck. I want to make sure that this council when it creates an ordinance regarding trucks does so for all advertising and not based on the
particular content. As horrib hard horrid as her content might be and as mean-spirited as it might be, that this council does not make an ordinance based on the content that she put on that vehicle and that it is contentneutral
and generally applicable to every advertisement that happens across this uh township. Thank you very much. >> Who's doing Thank you. Who is doing that countdown? We're not going to do that.
We have Shenaz. >> Hello. >> Hi, Shaz. Three minutes. >> Hey, tonight I speak not just as a resident but as someone shaped by the Tene public schools. I learned about the Holocaust, about slavery, and the line
that Columbus discovered America. But what I learned was incomplete. And the missing pieces matter because they belong to the people who live in our town. We were taught about the 6 million Jewish lives lost in the Holocaust, but not so much about the 5 to6 million
non-Jewish victims, the Poles, the Roma, disabled people, political prisoners, LGBTQ, and the Muslims who risked their lives to save Jews. We didn't learn about Nur Inayat Khan, a brave Muslim Indian woman who was captured, tortured,
and ultimately executed for helping Jews and supporting the resistance. Our curriculum spotlighted certain atrocities while silencing others, leaving gaps in our understanding of the world and in our understanding of our neighbors. For many of us, the real
history came from our families. I remember my mother's fear as she searched for the uncle who disappeared during the partition of 1947, hiding with her siblings as violence raged outside. These are not distant stories.
They're living memories and Tene is full of them. On my block alone, more than 20 countries are represented. Each family carries a history of flight, of trauma, of survival. Around the world, nearly
every community has known profound devastation. About 9 million Native Americans lost to disease displacement massacres, including the Lape. Over 45 million who died under British colonization in the Indian Holocaust.
About 30 13 million African-Americans who perished during the transatlantic slave trade and centuries of racial terror. These histories do not compete. Pain does not invalidate someone else's pain. Recently, my Israeli neighbor
shared her grief about Palestine while fearing for her own mother in Israel. Her pain is real, just as real as the pain carried by my Palestinian neighbors. Tene is a place where these stories live side by side. This that is why remembrance matters and why
remembrance must be inclusive, not discriminating. So tonight we ask the council to take meaningful election along the Holocaust memorial which I support wholeheartedly. We ask for memorials that reflect the be to begin
to reflect the diverse history of Tene. An African-American memorial an Indian Holocaust memorial acknowledging the millions who were killed for two centuries. A Palestine memorial. A Native American memorial honoring the Lape, the original stewards of this
land. Let us build a tenic that tells everyone's stories, not to reopen wounds, but to acknowledge and learn. Thank you for being inclusive of these memorials to the garden of understanding. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Would you like to start?
>> Can you do me a second? Sure. >> Would someone else like to start? Everyone's gone. Have you heard anything? Oh, we're everyone's passing. We don't know. Some people don't have anything to say. You don't want to I'll gladly start any
>> I have something to say. I just don't want to go first. >> I'm sorry. >> I just don't want to go first. >> Okay. But we're going to go first today. So, why don't we start? >> Sorry. Sorry. So, I was really really hoping that I didn't have to get up here and do this
tonight. that we would not sit here and accept hate speech for anyone in this town. That we would not sit up here and accept the denial of hate against any other people. Hate speech is legal. That doesn't mean that we have to it doesn't
have to be condemned and it has to be condemned immediately. It's how we learn from each other and learn what's okay and not okay and change as a society. There are 15 million Jews in the world, reform, conservative, orthodox, unaffiliated, and they're not entitled.
What a really sad world we live in when instead of learning from each other, we have to compete over trauma. Last meeting, I was on a Zoom for the council meeting because my uncle died and I was in Florida. We're on his deathbed. He talked about his father coming to America to escape the pograms in 1905.
And then he talked about his grandfather being shot by the Nazis on a death march in 1941. The Holocaust happened overseas, but there is not a single Jew that's alive, including Mr. Seagull, that was not directly impacted. It was the
It was the systematic murder of 6 million Jews and also 5 million non-Jews. It didn't happen overnight. It happened when neighbors turned on their Jewish neighbors. It happened when anti-semitism including the anti-semitism that was spoken in these word these chambers tonight was
normalized and when it was accepted to spread conspiracy theories about Jewish people and collective blame for their suffering of others or themselves. Anti-semitism is a different kind of hate because of how it manifests and it's based on conspiracy theories and it's based on words.
Last week, Mayor Schwarz and I were in a room together of mostly non-Jews in New Orleans at a combat anti-semitism conference. And I cannot articulate the way that I felt being in that room, the gratefulness that I felt. I felt heard and I felt seen for the first time
in over two years that I was not alone and that my life mattered. the trauma that Jewish people have felt after the abandonment by their so-called friends and their so-called allies and people that they broke bed bread with people they loved to sit here and listen to the
hateful anti-semitic words be spoken in this room and instead of answering questions about development I have to use my time about what people have failed to do and that is condemn hate speech when it happens which is why I have to do this tonight this is not a
religious place but I'm going to say that is sacrilegious to sit here and disgrace the souls of those that were murdered in the Holocaust. I really really believe that we were in a place that we could just disagree on how to fill potholes and how to pave roads and pilot agreements and budgets. I really
really wanted to believe that I didn't have to make this speech tonight. But I was wrong. I was very wrong. So to anyone that wants to have answers to their question, I will go through and I will watch this meeting and I will email each and every one of you the answers to your questions on the local issues tomorrow. Unfortunately, tonight Jewish
history was erased and my by my neighbors and I would never erase anyone else's life or history and I will always take the opportunity to learn from other people. I also want to thank Pap Butler for teaching me so much and I do look forward to supporting the enslaved African monument and thank you for
giving me the same respect. never again is right here and right now in this room. Anti-semitism, anti-Judaism, anti- Zionism is all forms of Jew hatred. And none of it belongs in these chambers, in this town, in this country, or in this world. You've all sat here and watched
me for a year visibly disagree with my fellow Jewish colleagues and them visibly disagree with me. And we disagree on a lot. But each and every one of them, and including myself, we've all experienced anti-semitism directly. And if each and any one of them needed
help tomorrow, today, I would be there for them because it's not about whether we disagree on something, this is who we are. And we are all Jews. Maybe we don't all practice the same way, but we are all Jews. There is no competition here.
I want to thank Mr. Fox. Um, and I just want to say I really wish I didn't have to do this tonight, and never again is now. >> Thank you very much. I your deputy mayor >> minutes. >> Yes.
>> Um so before I begin I I I want to just acknowledge the you I'm going to talk about the memorials first. Um I want to acknowledge the deep significance of the Holocaust and the importance of remembering its victims. Um honoring history especially its most painful chapters is an essential part of who we are as a community. And I think the
intent behind creating the Holocaust memorial is meaningful. It's powerful and it's deeply respected. And I want to be clear this happened this started 10 years ago. This wasn't a project that was just launched. And while the timing is not ideal given the tension in the world in the community, I want to be clear that this was not a brand new
project um meant to create additional tension to the town. So, I just wanted to be I think it's only fair that we acknowledge that. At the same time, I also think it's clear that we speak openly about the original vision for the project. This memorial space was initially conceived as a joint remembrance that honored both Holocaust
victims and the millions of enslaved Africans whose suffering and resilience are the foundation to American history. That joint vision reflected the diversity of our town and our shared commitment to acknowledging all forms of atrocity and injustice. Um as we know um the two groups that were working to the
uh towards this effort chose to separate. Um, and that has resulted in a situation where right now we are looking at just putting up the memorial for the Holocaust, uh, just putting up the Holocaust memorial. And I think that is where my concern begins. Um, it's not
whether or not the Holocaust deserves recognition because of course it does. The concern is about equity, inclusion, and community cohesion. We have to be mindful of how decisions that we make about public spaces can impact the relationship between communities, especially when both histories hold deep
emotional and generational weight. Uh my goal is not to stop remembrance, but to really prevent unintended uh division. Um as a council, I believe we have a responsibility to ensure that any memorial placed on our municipal green reflects the values of the entire town and does not inadvertently send a
message that one community's pain is prioritized over another. and I don't believe that is the intent of this project but I think that is the optics of it if it does proceed as planned. Um so I just wanted to to share that first. Now second um I wanted to address the
the um comments on the crosswords project I want to thank everyone for sharing your thoughts so passionately. I I want to also start by acknowledging that we all, you know, truly care about T-neck, the character, the charm, and the
quality of life in our town. Um, and many of us came to Tene because we want to see the same, you know, we love the way that Tene is, the look and feel of it, and we don't want to see that change. Totally get that. Um, that said, I think what folks don't understand, people are saying, why do we why is this
being pursued when no one wants this in our town? The reality is we have an affordable housing crisis issue where the state is mandating that we find affordable housing. So my question to you all is if not this project what do we do instead?
What do we do instead? Right now because we are communicating with crossroads we can have impact on what this looks like and we've already heard from neighbors that we've been able to have impact. Do I love the idea of building a a parking garage around three residential homes
and then resident like? No, of course not. It doesn't make sense. And then potentially stopping uh uh future development behind Cedar Lane. No, I don't love it. It doesn't make sense. But at the same time, I don't want to risk that we get sued by developers for not committing to the affordable housing requirements and then they get the right
to do whatever they want in the future, right? Like we don't want to lose our control. So that is the struggle is how do we find affordable housing and have a say in what it looks like in our town. So I don't love the development plan. I really don't. But we need to figure out
a way to address our affordable housing needs. So that's where we are. Happy holidays everyone. I hope you all enjoy safely. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay. Yeah. I I just want to start with stop and shop and then uh talk of the monuments. Um basically uh 100% we are
in a major dilemma when it comes to affordable housing in in our community. Not to mention our nation but but most focused on Tina. We do have an obligation. There have been many bad actors um many of many other towns that
haven't given a thought to affordable housing. That's not us. We have always uh made every attempt to fulfill whatever we could uh when it comes to affordable housing. Uh there are ways in which we can do a better job uh in by
engaging the developers. Um many of you hear me push for instead of 15% let's go for 20. Let's see if we can get more um out of uh you know out of uh the developer. making sure the developer does impact studies because we we want
the quality of life to be good for our neighbors. We don't want to put these monstrosities within our town uh only to have issues with transportation and traffic and so forth. We we as a council just in this la in the last uh two and a half years we've enacted a um ADU
ordinance which which is a means by which we can find alternative types of housing. So housing is an issue and it will continue to be an issue and until we um or you know until we find
alternative ways until we put our heads together and say okay what are the strategies what can we do and and it's not the best and oftentimes I know it seems like it's an an equity scenario uh like someone mentioned earlier why isn't
it in the in another part of town why is it always in a certain part of Now, these are the these are the questions that we are constantly looking at and and asking those questions and and making sure that things are done equitably equitably as possible. The point of the matter is that it's not
easy. It's not easy sitting here. It's not easy trying to find that that the balance, but we do the best that we can. So, um and I I do agree with um uh Councilman uh Woman G in that what else can we do? And we are in in situations
like that where it is a a scenario of what else is possible? What are our options? So um we will hold the feet to the fire of the developer. We will continue to push because we represent you. We represent you. And just always
remember that as it pertains to the monuments. I just want to say that, you know, tonight clearly, I mean, the the purpose of this memorial is sacred. Uh the the
the uh we think about the effort to to to honor millions of of people that have been, you know, murdered and uh not just in terms of the Holocaust, but other scenarios. the enslaved African-American memorial, the intent 10 years ago was
the focus to look at uh how can we remember people that have suffered and it it's a very emotional issue for many of us and I get it. Uh when we think about um tonight we're not just discussing whether remembrance matters.
We know remembering matters. It absolutely does. But how do we remember is is is uh thoughtfully integrated into our shared public space. In other words, how do we remember on on land that belongs to the people that this resolution does more than than
uh than approve just a single wall. It establishes a precedent and a policy framework that allows us to look at at up to five different memorials. If you go back and look at the the the the original document 10 years ago, there are six there's up to six memorials on
the green, six of them. And rightfully so. I mean, who am I to say which group should have a memorial? Every group should have a memorial. The the whole idea is that our master plan emphasizes preservation of
open space, design, quality, public uh engagement, and community cohesion. These values remind us that when permanent changes are made to highly visible uh public space, community input is not optional. It is essential. As
elected leaders, our responsibility is of course to honor sacred memory, but is also to preserve shared public assets, to engage our community transparently before making any lasting decisions. This proposal has evolved for many years
for 10 years and tremendous work has already been put into it into this project with uh clear physical dimensions, prominent locations and so forth. But there are not minor details. They define how our communal space will look, feel, and function for decades.
Public spaces are meaningful. They're meaningful to all of us. Our community involvement does not slow good projects. It strengthens them. It builds consensus, prevents misunderstanding, and ensures that when everything is erected in place of shared ownership,
residents feel pride and they're not surprised. Uh we we as residents, we want to uh to understand the full vision as stakeholders to feel that you're heard and future generations to see that these monuments are reflective of unity
rather than division. It's entirely possible, entirely, and deeply important to support the Holocaust remembrance while also remembering all memorials, all people that have suffered uh for for a
broad public participation in shaping how public spaces evolve. And and lastly, involving the community now protects the integrity of this uh memorial. It strengthens trust in municipal decisionmaking. It sets responsible standards for any future
monument proposals. So, so as we move forward in a manner that reflects our township values, it's important that we involve the community. We involve the community. So, I I am going to be making a motion. I make a motion actually right
now to establish a permanent community monument coordination committee. I know that um to work uh collaboratively with all six monuments to ensure that they're unified, they're cohesive, that they they appro uh approach design, it
approach size, placement, and overall scope of all monuments located on our municipal green. This is the people's land. This land belongs to the people. So why wouldn't the people be involved? So my motion and I can I can say it now
to make it for later is that we establish a community monument coordination committee to be involved with these monuments. >> Thank you very much. Um deputy Belure um Deputy Morgan who's good. >> Yeah, just a few things. I'd like to
thank Miss Williams for coming out and denouncing that horrible video and it's so nice to hear um your feelings on anti-semitism. That's what I had requested of you outside the library. I think I know all of our elected officials in town on council and on the board of education received a letter
asking them to denounce um the horrible video that had dollar signs with Jewish stars and really um stereotyped the Jewish people in a terrible terrible way. I don't think that would have been tolerated for any other group. So I thank you for spending the night with us late into the night to come out and give
your message against the horrible video. I hope the woman that made it will not be involved in anybody's campaign going forward. I hope she won't be anybody's campaign manager. It was really um not not acceptable in a town like this. Um I
understand the um the feelings some people have about one memorial being approved tonight and not another. I would like everybody to know that this council has been supportive of um both memorials and um are waiting for
the next to come forward to us with funding and a plan to get in the ground. Somebody always has to go first and um I'm very happy for the Holocaust memorial group that they were able to get to this point. Uh we have offered the mayor and I have offered to work
with any other group to help with fundraising and uh to help move another monument forward. I do want everybody to think though, would there have been this kind of reaction and outcry if another monument had been voted on first? And
and that's really um what I think we all need to think about now. You know, we we all have interests and we really do try hard to think of other people and where they are and um talking badly about this and bringing up worst case scenarios
doesn't help anybody. As far as development goes, this council has a lot of work to do between now and the middle of March. We have six developments that need to be approved. A lot of them are distasteful to some residents. Um this one, Crossroads, happens to be the
biggest. Um, but it is part of our housing plan and does need to be approved. Um, I hope that all of my colleagues will work together uh to approve all of them. Um, so that everyone in town understands that this
is something that's been mandated by the state against the town or for the town to help us so that we can build more housing and provide more affordable housing. Um, people may not be happy, but this is our job now. This is our mandate from the state and this is
what's going to happen going forward. Um so thank you everybody who's still here and who's watching at home for staying with us through the beginning of this process. >> Thank you very much. I'll make my comments brief so we can get on with our consent agenda. Um there's no I'm no stranger it's not anyone's surprise that
I'm in favor of this project on crossroads. Um as a community I I think we can have respectful dialogue. We saw what dialogue has done year after year. We're cutting back the project, changing the project, but we also can't start making things up. We can't sit here and say this hasn't been a transparent
process, that no one knows about this process. People in town aren't aware of this. And the gentleman who said that then left. Um, everyone's aware of this project. And if you're not aware of this project, then you're not paying attention. This has been six years. This has been public meetings. This has been council meetings. And there'll be many
more meetings. So, if you don't know about this project, you do now. And if you don't, you're not paying attention. Uh, as it relates to the people in this room that maybe had some questions that they they didn't hear that were answered during the presentation. This presentation was recorded. A few comments that people made of what's
going to go on with the commercial space. We don't want commercial. The uh the developer and his um staff pointed out that that is for the Buddhist center and if the Buddhist center does not occupy that commercial space, it'll be returned to the building proper and not become a commercial occupied space. Um,
there were a few other quick comments. Uh, there was a comment about making this 100% affordable. As someone who does that in New York City, I love that, but 100% affordable costs millions of dollars in subsidies. This particular project, which will cover 59% of this
township's affordable obligation, which is something I think we all as a town look forward to. Um, with that said, uh, Mr. Cler, I'm sorry. Uh, yes. So, last comment. I do apologize. Thank you very much. Uh the parking lots will in the parking garage
will be available during the storm for people to cover to people to park and it'll even be covered. So I may move my car there as well. Uh Mr. Clerk, are we ready to start with the council with the agenda with the consent agenda? >> Mr. Mayor, >> yes. >> Can Denise make her motion now?
>> Uh no, the motions are made under new business. Let's list that for council council. Listen it for the next meeting if we want to form new committees. >> Well, it's actually for this for one of the resolutions. >> Well, that then when after the consent agenda, we'll pull it and we can discuss at that point. Thank you.
>> Okay. For the uh consent agenda, we have one raffle, two sets of minutes, resolution 318-2025 to344-2025 and a billless in the amount of 12,543,000
640.91 >> and I will make that motion. Is there a second? >> Anyone let's pull up to pull this up. >> Pull um 3192205. >> Okay. Okay. And that's uh in in light of a resolution that I I just uh stated
earlier that we >> Well, we're going to pull it first. We're going to discuss it. >> Okay. Sure. >> There's anyone else that wants to pull anything. >> Mr. Mayor, can I pull uh >> Yes. [clears throat] >> Uh 34? No. 341. That's it. >> 341. Okay. >> Mr. Mayor, can I pull 318? >> 318. Just for a separate vote, please.
>> Okay. Is there anybody else? Okay. I'll make the motion on everything else. >> Wait a Wait a second. Mayor, Deputy Cler, can you just reread what we're pulling from the consent agenda, please? >> I'm sorry, say it again. >> I just want the deputy clerk to reread what we're pulling from the consent agenda. >> Resolutions 318-2025,
319-2025 >> and 341-2025 are >> 318 38, 319, 341. >> Yes. >> 326 >> and 326. Okay. Uh, make that motion. Is there a
second on my second? >> Schwarz. Roll call. Everything else, please. Deputy clerk. >> Sorry, >> Councilwoman Goldberg. Hold on. Sorry. I was talking to the manager. Um, all right. Yes to all except for on 325 and
326 on abstaining because it's not the most updated. Rossy and abstaining on the bills list. >> Thank you. >> And bills. Okay. Councilman McGon, >> yes. >> Councilwoman G, >> yes. >> Councilman Katz,
>> yes. Was an abstension on the bills list. Okay. >> Deputy Mayor Belchure. >> Yes. >> I can. >> Deputy Mayor Morgan. >> Yes. >> Mayor Schwarz. >> Yes. >> Okay. We have several that are being pulled. Let's start with uh 318.
>> That was me, Mr. Mayor. Just real simple. I wanted a separate vote on that. >> Okay. There a um vote. Is there anyone else make a motion that you want to make the motion? Well, I'm voting against you. I'll make you don't have to vote for you.
>> Is there some clarification on that? >> Yeah, it's just the their their contract is expired and I don't like extending pilot contracts if you haven't raised the money over a certain amount of years to build that project. So, um, I'm going
to be voting no against it, but I'll make the motion to pass just to move the process. >> And I'll second that. And Mr. Roll call on 318, please. >> Councilwoman Goldberg. >> Um, I'm a yes for it's an extension until uh for one month.
>> Councilman Pan, >> no. >> Councilwoman J. >> Yes. >> Councilman Katz, >> abstain. >> Deputy Mayor Belchure. >> Yes. Deputy Mayor Oregon, >> the extension is until when new? >> January.
>> Yes. >> Uh Mike January 30th, right? Or February 1st. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And Mayor Schwarz. >> Yes. Okay. Um that is approved. Do we want to skip 319 for a second and do 341?
>> We're going to go on miss. Okay. No, we're not skipping. We're just going to the easy ones first. Okay. 341. Who pull 341? me. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yes. I'm just I'm just Give me two seconds with the manager on this one. Two seconds. I promised. >> 326.
>> 319. >> We'll do 326. 326. >> Super. >> Yeah. Wait. We had 318, 319, 326, 349. >> Correct. We're going to do 326. >> We skipped over 319. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> 326. >> The dollar amounts in 325 and 326 are
both for the grant that we got for Argon. So, I just was trying to get the attorney's attention. we need to change before we vote on 326 so that we're actually agreeing on the right dollar amount. That's all. >> That's Yeah, that's correct. This This
is page 145. The uh state um grant number should read 750,000. >> That is that >> 750,000 goes which resolution? >> This is >> instead of 375 it should be 750 to us,
right? This is the This is the attachment to 326 2025. >> Uh, yeah. Page 12. C.3.8. >> On the floor. I need to hear you attorney. I'm sorry. Say that one more time. Scott,
>> this is uh it's the attachment to resolution 326-2025, packet page 14512 C3A. The number there should read uh it it says 375,000 under the state grant as well as it also says that under the
state chair um and that those those two numbers should reach 750,000 and then the local government share say zero meeting. >> Okay. Not yet. Um are we good? >> No. >> Okay. Okay. So, let's roll call and then we'll extend the meeting right after the
roll call on that. Is there a motion? Can you please make a motion? >> I'll move 326 with the amendment. >> And I'll second 326 with the revised amount. Roll call, please. >> Councilwoman Goldberg, >> yes. >> Councilman Pagan, >> yes. >> Councilwoman J. >> Yes. >> Councilman Katz, >> yes.
>> Deputy Mayor Belchure, >> yes. >> Deputy Mayor, >> yes. >> Mayor Schwarz, >> yes. I'd like to make a motion to extend the meeting by 30 minutes. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Okay. I believe we're Are we going Are we ready for uh 341 over there or we We're going to skip 341. We're going to
go to 319. I'm sorry. It's been very disruptive. >> Do you want me to go? >> Yes, please. Okay. 319. >> I'm going to go now. Terms of just I I'm going to repeat what I repeated earlier. I make a motion to establish a community monument coordination committee to work
collaboratively with all six monuments uh committees to ensure uh a unified cohesive approach to the design, the size, the placement and overall scope of all monuments located on the municipal green, our shared public space, the
people's land. >> Second. >> What's six? I'm sorry. What's six monuments? And and is it the community or council members? >> It is the community. It is the community and it is in in line with what the original document said, it calls for six
monuments. >> So there's not your labor. >> No, we don't know what they are. We we don't do not know what we Well, two we have identified as the Holocaust uh monument and the enslaved Africanamean monument. But there are four additional
monuments and the purpose of of this motion is to establish a permanent community monument coordination committee to work on all the committee makeup is >> to be determined >> to be determined. Okay. Um Mayor Catz,
>> uh I I always value community input. Um but I think um the last 10 years of input was pretty pretty uh valuable, you know, and no rushing there. Um, and just want to clarify one thing. I want to remind everyone that the um,
even though they're decoupled right now, the two monuments, they originally started as individuals by themselves and then they joined together and then they decoupled. Um, so with that said, I'd like to amend uh the deputy mayor's
motion to say that we can create this group to focus on the next four monuments. I think we have a um >> I just need a second on if if >> Well, we do have in mind we have a motion on the floor. >> Yeah. And I'm making an amendment.
>> Okay. You're you're asking me to amend my motion? >> No, I >> you're asking me to amend my motion. >> Making the motion. >> No, wait. >> Okay. So, you you're amending my motion. >> I'm second. if I decide a cohesive approach to to their design, their size, their placement and overall.
>> Oh yeah, I would think so. After the last 10 years and by the way, taking state money that we that they took we took state money or these these to these uh you know took uh taxpayer money. I would think that 10 years they've talked it out. >> So,
>> so in your So, you're you're >> So, I like the idea of community involvement. >> Next four. >> Next four. >> Is there a second on that? >> I'll second that for the purpose of getting a vote going. >> Can we have discussion? >> Yeah, I have a question. Sorry.
>> So, I I understand the impetus for this. I understand um why it's being brought forth now, but there is no detail to it. there is no scope to what this group can do. If there's power to the group, if there advisory to council, um I think
it's something worth talking about, but to pass it tonight would be irresponsible of us. It would just be a reaction before voting for a Holocaust memorial. So, I think we can separate the two and still vote for one or vote against it if people are not in favor. And then this
is something that should probably be council listed so that we can start to talk about it, start to talk it through. But for a motion at the end of a meeting just to be reactive, I think um with no detail, I think that would be irresponsible for us differ I beg to
differ because it >> I just have a process question. So I plan on supporting 319. I always have and I always will just like I'm going to support the other monument. So is this like a separate task force or advisory board committee or just a committee to
complement this process or is it just or or are you putting legislation into this legislation? >> It is to develop a uh a committee that oversees the monuments on the green. This this >> Yeah, because I I want to support your
idea too. I like your idea about getting the community more involved in this process, >> but I also want to pass this, but I also want to support your idea >> that the intent is in order to pass this, we need to to recognize the fact that the municipal green belongs to the
people. So, let the people be involved. We yes, 10 years we've been running around different different uh governing bodies have had different say about different monuments, these two monuments. But I I venture to say that residents haven't >> Oh, okay. I get what you're saying. I
get what you're saying. Not >> No, I understand what you're doing. >> They have not been involved with uh looking at the the design, the size, the placement, the scope. >> I get it. I get it. I understand what you're doing because I want to support both your ideas, but I I want to see this pass tonight, too. But I will also
support your idea if it's if it's a separate thing so that this can also pass. If that makes sense. >> Let's hear some more comments. Councilman, >> sorry. Um I think I'm a little confused about I guess two things. So they're they're monuments that it's been over 10
years and I think Deputy May you were on the original subcommittee I think right if I remember but the the design of them right they're private um and I get that it's on public land and everything but I don't know and this maybe is a question
for the attorney like what what is this task force committee kind of a thing and what's their their oversight over private monuments if they're on public property. I understand that, which is why we have to approve the designs, etc. But I don't get what the role of this
is. I'm just trying to understand. >> I I would venture to say um Councilwoman Goldberg, is that we want to have, let's say, for the sake of argument that we all agree that six monuments. Don't we
want to have some input in terms of how they look, their the size, the the placement of them and so forth? I mean, granted, I understand the Holocaust memorial is is now is we're we're
talking about it happening sooner and and even the enslaved African-American monument, but let's say 10 years from now, there is the fifth and sixth monument that comes along, wouldn't wouldn't we want to provision
the location of each monument day one as opposed to saying monument one and two is 50 ft wide. wide by 50 feet, you know, uh, long. Don't we want to have some in our community to have some input
so that the in the final analysis we have a municipal green with six monuments that we all can be proud of. So that's the intent that is the intent of this committee. >> I I'm going to jump in there. I'm going to actually agree with Deputy Mayor
Organ. I think these are very healthy conversations. which I think is actually an important committee and I think it should be discussed at the next council meeting so that we go over the makeup the charge and and have a proper discussion on on a new on a on a new committee that talks about these future
monuments. So um I'm going to make clarification. Yes. >> Is it a new committee on the future monuments or on these two current? >> Very very healthy. I want this conversation to take place at the next council meeting under council under council listed which is where we
normally have these types of conversations and that comes out of those council listed items committees task force ordinances and resolutions. >> So why don't we just vote on the the the motion that's on the floor. >> We can do that if you like. I mean I don't want you I'd hate to have it turned down and and councilwoman Coun
counciloman G has councilwoman G has has seconded my motion. So, if you you either vote for it or vote against this is an amendment to your motion. >> Or would you would you agree to ask let her have that vote? I don't know if it has the support. >> Yeah. I I don't I Yeah. >> Would you mind if we call that vote on that first? I
>> Well, I I don't understand. You're >> There's three mindsets here. There's one mindset to say, "Let's talk about it methodically at the next council meeting." M >> there's one mindset to say let's come up with a committee that's going to start
bureaucracizing all six >> and four of them we don't even know what they're about but two of them were talked about for the last 10 years >> and then there's the third mindset that says you know what we've spoke about two of them we've seen the designs we've been given information
I'm sure there's some um I'm sure there's some resolutions that have that have spoken about different um size etc that we've talked So let's just take the vote. >> So my recommendation right now it stands that there's an amendment. So it's either there's an amendment that we're
going to do only the floor. >> I think Robert rules speaks to the fact that whatever the motion is on the floor. Let's take the vote. >> The amendment we're in Robert rules amendment version 76 on the amendment. So Mr. Attorney, we we we have two conflicting ideas here. You can please rule on which one we're voting.
>> There's a first and a second. So once a a motion was made and then a motion to amend that motion was made. You have to under Roberts you have to vote on the motion to amend first. Then you vote on the initial motion. >> Okay. >> And then because that the the motion was on an original resolution then we're
voting on the >> the original. We're going to vote on >> Mr. Mayor. >> Yeah. >> I'm willing to offer up a compromise. >> Okay. What do you have? >> Uh I No. Well, we'll see. But for I will withdraw my amendment. >> Uhhuh. But I will make a motion to table
the proposed um res um the request from the deputy mayor. This way it doesn't look like the council is voting against open ideas and community involvement and then we could talk about it at the next >> and I would second that tableabling.
>> There's no discussion on a motion to table. >> Is that true, Mr. Attorney? >> Is that even a part of Robert's rule? >> Yep. >> It it actually is. There there is a process. So the motion table then takes precedence over the original motion. >> Bill, it's an excellent idea, but it's t motion to table. Can we please call the roll call on tableabling?
>> Second is Schwarz. >> Councilwoman Goldberg, >> yes. >> Councilman Vaggon, >> yes. >> Councilwoman J, >> no. >> Councilman Katz, >> yes. >> Deputy Mayor Belchure, >> no.
>> Deputy Mayor, >> yes. >> Mayor Schwarz, >> yes. The table, Mr. Clerk, please list that on the next meeting under council listed items so we can properly discuss it as per the vote. Okay, we have a next on 319. You pulled it. Is there any
further comments in 319 before we entertain a motion to vote on 319? That being said, is there would you like to make or would you like me to make the motion on 319? You'll defer to me. Thank you. I'll make the motion on 319. >> Second. >> Seconded. Roll call. Mr. Clerk.
Councilwoman Goldberg, >> yes. >> Council Gone, >> yes. >> Councilwoman G, >> abstain. >> Councilman Katz, >> yes. >> Deputy Mayor Belchure, >> abstain. >> Deputy Mayor Organ, >> yes. >> Mayor Schwarz,
>> yes. And I believe we have 341. >> Yeah, sorry about that. Um, my only question on this one, and um, I'm going to see if Jackie wants to just take it. So, this is we're cancelling old authorizations that were in the back of
the audit. Um, and the last one, the last two are kind of vague and I just want to get an understanding on what we're cancelelling, but the last one uh specifically 16- 2016 and I forward it to the manager again. Uh, the auditor told us not to do that and I just want
to make sure that we're doing that one right and then I'm okay with doing it. So, I guess Jackie, do you want to >> you say yes or no? We both vote. >> Well, I want to make sure that we're doing this right. is my question. >> Um, actually, according to your email, it does state that and I did message Issa who's on who is going to just chime
in for a moment. Uh, we may need to pull that. >> Okay, thank you. >> Okay, so then we have is calling in our CFO or usual. >> Yep, I'm here. >> Midnight meeting special. >> Midnight meeting special. Wired on. >> Sorry. >> Yes, no worries. So, yes, uh, this was
something that, you know, we've discussed as a governing body, the manager, myself, the auditor. Um, you know, we do have a million dollars that we're looking to cancel from unspent improvement authorizations. Uh, but thank you for the reminder, Councilwoman. I apologize. I do have a
very good long-term memory, but I may not always remember emails from several months ago. Um, so my suggestion would be uh to table this. The auditor has always coached me that we'd rather be deliberate in our um in our
deliberations and take the time we need to do it correctly. So, with the information you reminded me that we did discuss this in the spring, um I'd like to table this and we've done this before where we can actually do this in the new year effective December 31st. >> Understood. So, you're asking table 341.
>> Isa, my only question is the only problem on it with that email was only that last line. Can we amend it to cancel to do that last line, cancel the rest of it and then if we end up having to cancel it based on or not based on Dan's email, but approve the rest of it. Is that okay? Like I don't know if we
have to cancel the whole table the whole thing. I think it's just that last line that uh 16-206. >> You could do that as well and we can, you know, supplement it with another resolution. That's totally your decision. Okay. >> Canceling that. So I want to make the motion to to take that one out and approve the rest.
>> I'll second that motion. Roll call, Mr. Clerk. Councilwoman Goldberg, >> yes. >> Councilman Pagan, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Jake, >> yes. >> Councilman Katz, Deputy Mayor Belchure, >> yes. >> Deputy Mayor Organ, >> yes. >> Mayor Schwarz, >> yes.
>> I'm so sorry. What exactly taken out of that resolution? Which line? >> Just the the last one. 16-20 2016. That That was it. >> You got it. >> So So for Doug, uh M Mr. Mayor, if I can, the last line will be stricken and the new total is $645,34.73
cents. That's 64534.73. >> I'll email you. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay, >> Mr. Mr. Clerk or Mr. Cler, uh, ordinances, please. >> Introduction of two ordinances. >> Three.
You got three. >> Sorry. Yeah. Yes, it did. >> So, the three ordinances for introduction, we have ordinance 42-2025 adopting a redevelopment plan in furtherance of the redevelopment of block 50002 lot 26 as shown on the text
map of the township of importance of the local redevelopment and housing lot NJSA4A 12A-1. We have ordinance 43-2025 amending and supplementing chapter 33 development regulations
of the land use ordinance of the township of KK to address the requirements of the fair share fair housing act regarding compliance with the town's affordable housing obligations by establishing an affordable housing overlay zone designated as the inclusionary housing
one overlay district and modifying the zoning map. And then ordinance 44-205 amending township code to revise no parking restrictions on West Triion Avenue. >> Okay, just to clarify on that, ordinance
number one is uh 143 State Street. Ordinance number two is 827 Scenic Road. I really hate the fact that we don't list these addresses and list of block and lots. I know my 50002 lots cold, but not everyone else does. >> I'm sorry, Mr. Mayor, real quick. You said >> number 42, ordinance one that we read,
number 42 is 143 State Street. Okay. >> Number two, ordinance 43 is 827 Inc Road, also known as Regina's. >> Thank you. >> With that said, I'll make a motion to we'll vote one at a time, but it's fine. Make a motion to introduce ordinance
number 42. Uh introduce number 40. Yeah. 42. >> Second. >> Second. Roll call. Councilwoman Goldberg, >> yes on 42. >> Councilman Pagan, >> yes. >> Councilwoman Jake,
>> yes. >> Councilman Katz, >> sorry, just for clarification, that's the one I'm That's the area I'm >> That's a northeast corner. You're you're you're fully able to vote on that. >> Okay, that's >> Yes, that's been calculated before. >> Thank you.
>> No, that's the northeast corner. >> Northeast. >> Northeast corner. Got it. Thank you. Then yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Belchure. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Organ. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Schwarz. >> Yes. I'd like to make a motion to
introduce ordinance 43 of 2025, otherwise known as 820 2017 approved. >> Councilwoman Goldberg. >> Um, no. Because I have concerns about the lot coverage and I want to see it changed per the planning board's memo first. >> Council Agon. >> No.
>> Councilwoman Jake. Yes. >> Councilman Katz. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Belchure. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Organ. >> Yes. >> And Mayor Schwarz. >> Yes. I'd like to make a motion to introduce ordinance number 44, 2025 for
a parking restriction on West Tri Road. >> Councilwoman Go. >> Sorry. >> You can vote. >> No, I know I could vote on this. I just didn't I made a note. I wasn't sure where exactly is this. >> This is on north. This is on west shrine between Palisades and on between
Palisades and Queen Anne Road and this allowing street on street park. >> No on street park. >> Allowing. Yes. Allowing street parking. >> All right. I'm both sides. >> Uh I don't know if it's a south or is it south or north side? >> One side. >> One side. >> South side. >> South side.
>> Roll call, please. >> Councilman Goldberg. >> Yes. >> Councilman Pagan. >> Yes. >> Councilwoman G. >> Yes. >> Councilman Catz. Yep. >> Deputy Mayor Belchure. >> Yes. >> Deputy Mayor Organ. >> Yes. >> Mayor Schwarz. >> Yes. I'd like to make a motion to journ. >> Second.
>> 42 and 43 are going to the planning board now. >> Everybody on their >> meeting adjourn at 12:08 a.m. >> Happy holidays everybody. >> Last meeting at 20:25. Everybody get home safe. >> Stay warm out there.