I said email >> no I wouldn't let America >> 215. >> Yes. Thank you. My guess usually >> clean. What's going on? >> Yeah.
>> You represent. >> Okay. Are you representing them for any fanboy stuff? Okay. What? The mic? >> We can't do one night without him. Um,
>> not here yet. The other one's not here yet. office. So it makes sense. So still sent out the 9.4 >> 9.4. So now this become a campaign issue for somebody want
>> to get defend That's going to professional profession. you um told your Dude, number five. Is that all you? >> Is that the um >> draft land use administrative ordinance?
I have to step out at 9:00 at 9:00. >> Okay. >> Whatever you need me to say. >> Just a It's I'll keep it brief. It's kind of just some projects me and Scott are working on to >> Yeah. In fact, I um give you guys some
hard copies of what we think the new application look like. Exactly. This is a comp. This is >> handwritten or this is PDF fil. >> It will be online and there's a PDF that
would be online >> and then of course a hard copy for the old school people that want to keep it. >> So we're basically trying to adopt this as a new form, >> new form, new checklists and also updating our code to like for
consistency like we never actually identified in our code definitions >> of certain site plans and so that's I'll go >> this is for road >> 189 189 so 189 you need to wait for Mike ash >> okay that's fine >> um >> yeah I told for road to come
>> we have make a on the phone and do this because it's already 8:40 You guys start >> so who do you have here from 189? So, okay. >> Yeah, let's So, the minute you walk in, before you even seat, we can start. >> It's 10 minutes later, right?
>> All right. So, good morning everybody. Jason Tuvel, um, attorney for, uh, Solomon Builders as well as, uh, Vertical Realy. So, for 189 the plaza, everybody knows where we are. We, uh, we we need another extension under the redevelopment agreement to get this
project moving. So the goal today was to have the contract purchaser vertical realy that's working with Solomon Builders um Jake and Joseph Felman that have been involved in the development of multif family residential for decades now in New Jersey take over the project
and get it going. So they have their architect here Michael Lawson from Minowasco. You had heard from his partner Jack Raker a few months ago on some of the minor changes that we were making to the building to make this work and make this more functional. So now Michael's here from also from Minowasco.
I sent the plans over um to the clerk's office so you could have them there you go for the screen. Um I know we're short on time. Do you want Mr. Mayor to have uh Mr. Feldman just give you their background in multif family development or do we not have time for that right now?
>> I defer to what everybody else wants. I I'm aware of the background but I defer to everybody else. >> Yes. >> Okay. I I would like very much if you could repeat the actual u stakeholders um that you mentioned at the beginning. I didn't quite get that. >> Sure. No problem. Of course,
Councilwoman Belchure. So, um the um the owners of the property, you know, are Solomon Builders, Jonathan Bogle, who was the original redeveloper of the site. Okay. They have now in trying to get this project underway are under contract to sell it to vertical realy.
The principles of vertical realy are Joseph and Jake Feldman. Their offices are out of Short Hills, New Jersey. Okay. They have been working in the real estate development industry, the management of multif family projects for decades now and have developed properties like this very similar. I can
give you one very recently that I also worked on a 66 unit project in Hokus that was built within the last two years. So that's a product that if you wanted to go see it's on North Maple Avenue in um in Hokus. Um they are the ones that will be buying the property
from Solomon Builders, taking over the redevelopment and the pilot and also taking over the construction of the project. So, they have some modifications that we talked about the last time we were before you um on the on the plan. Um and I wanted Michael
Lawson from Minowasco, the architect, to walk you through that just so you could see what the changes are. I think they're very minor. They don't um result in any deviations from the redevelopment plan. But still, um if we're going to get an extension on the on the agreement and also move forward, I wanted the
zoning subcommittee to see what these are and get any feedback that you might have. All right. Any example in in Bergen County? >> What's that? >> Any projects in Bergen County? >> Yeah, the Hocus one is the one that I just >> The whole >> Yeah. And that's a more recent one. So, I thought that would that would be more
relevant for you to see. And it was just constructed within the last two years, I would say. >> All right. >> So, will Solomon Brothers have any involvement going forward? >> Um I would Well, they're still going to be the owner until the there's a closing on the property, but um in terms of running the project, it's going to be um
vertical realy. >> Okay. Obviously, Stephen and Jonathan are here to facilitate and help in any way to see this uh get get done, but um but but the Feldmans would be in charge of moving it forward. >> Okay. >> And this contract's already signed. >> Correct. I confirm that. Yes.
>> Do you want to hear a little bit from from them just very briefly? >> I I do not if if you're my personal opinion, I'm different from everyone else. If there's already a contract to sale, not closed, but in contract >> and I'm fine with an extension because the show is going to move forward. So I don't have to hear anything. I know you're talking if you want to go over
the plans. You know, you mentioned last time it's contained to the actual existing approved building. There's nothing, frankly, that anyone in this town will know that apartment 3A is a two bedroom instead of a onebedroom. I personally don't care about that as long as it's everything else is identical, but if everyone else wants to, I
>> Yeah, I I mean the unit mix slightly changed. There's some amenity changes, but I defer to you if you want to if you just want to hear it. I also maybe Golden might have some comments on it just just to make sure that we're all on the same page. I just have a couple questions. Sure. Just really from the standpoint of compare and contrast, is
there any um substantial changes um particular to um our affordable housing um units and particular in terms of you know just total unit size? >> So why don't I have Michael briefly go through it? We have the plans on the screen. Why don't I have him go through it? It's a good question. We're
obviously still doing the 15% that's required under the agreement and also in your housing plan. But Michael, why don't you come up? This is Michael Lawson from Minowasco project architect. >> Thank you Jason. Uh and and thank you members. Um so we've been retained by
the Feldmans. We've worked on this project before for the Solomon brothers as well. So there's consistency uh on this project with us. Um and when we uh work with with this group with Vertical um we we like to kind of just take a
stab at how we can make the building more efficient. And that's essentially what we did here in in the adjustments that we've made. Um, but we took the document, your redevelopment plan, and really made tried to make sure that we were consistent with the redevelopment
plan, but also with the original approval that that was gained on the property. So the major changes that you'll see here are more in the terms of massing the building slightly differently, pushing the the building
mass in in a different location, but still maintaining and not triggering any addition uh deviations in any way. So, we're still taking the letter of the law and the redevelopment plan, using that as our guide to to make sure that we can just push and pull the building in
different locations on and you'll see on on the uh on the slides here, we'll start with the ground floor. On the ground floor, we're proposing uh 53 parking spaces and those will all be dedicated for the residential component of the building.
The change here is is that the original approval included a uh ramp to get from the first level of parking to the second level of parking. When we uh took over the project as the architects and my partner Jack Raker looked at this project, we decided to eliminate that ramp for efficiency to actually gain
more parking in the in the parking deck and to allow for those 22 public parking spaces to be achieved within the within the um within the development. So on the ground floor you can see at the center of the site along the plaza is our lobby
space and our and our amenity club room. Um along the northern edge of the property we have maintained uh an alleyway um which is a service alley. not just for our project, but also for the uh stores and adjacent property
owners um that have some uh stairs and access points off of off of their rear properties that currently they're accessing through this property and the and and the parking lot that's existing there today. So, within the redevelopment plan, it allowed for uh that alleyway to occur. It actually
stated that it should occur. Um, and we are now proposing that to extend from the plaza to, uh, the other street on on the other side of the property that allows us to do refuge, recycling, um, uh, and and those kinds of things through that alley. We also plan on
having some, uh, electrical access for meters, um, as well as our water room as well. Um, as we go to the next floor, um, if you could go to the next floor here, you'll see that, um, the parking garage extends to to the to the second
floor as well. But this, uh, parking, uh, garage is accessed off of State Street. So, there's no interconnectivity between the two floors. Um, one, uh, the ground floor is accessed off of the plaza and the second level is accessed off of State Street. That's because of
the grading of the site. the grading of the >> and that's a change from the prior >> from the previous approvals but not when when we took over the project I think we presented this change to you before. So this is consistent with the last iteration of the plans and this allows
us to actually have a separate entry for the public parking the 22 parking spaces that we're providing there and that would be accessed off of State Street. There would be a separate then door um and a uh uh a delineation between where
we have the 22 public parking spaces and then where we have the the remainder of the residential parking spaces which is 28 additional spaces on that level >> and that door would remain open. uh the door between the public and the residential, that would be a gate that
would be bobbed. But the door that leads to the main uh area to access those public parking spaces, that would remain open. Correct. >> People turning off of State Street, which backs up a lot in the morning, that would be open. They wouldn't have to wait for a door to open. >> Correct. Right now, we're actually
proposing that there would be an arm there. Um but we could work with the the town uh to figure out what access we want to do. Maybe it's not an arm. Maybe they have to prepay or or or however you're dealing. I don't know how >> issue is more she's you're you're
concerned about a queue onto State Street. So >> very concerned. >> So maybe what we could do is work on having that arm set back within the garage so that you're not queuing on State Street. You're you're on you're on site. And there may not be even a need for an arm or a gate or anything like
that if it is public parking. And there is no need for somebody to be able to to pay or anything like that. We don't know the procedures and we're more than willing to work with you on figuring out how that might be. There's a lot of now technological uh advances on how you pay for parking. If there is if it is going
to be paid for or if it's going to be free, we don't know. We'll we'll work with you, but we don't think that there's going to be a queuing problem. Um and we can resolve that through the technology I believe. >> Quick question. Didn't we say Jason that whenever we have developments that uh we
would really address the issue of of uh paid parking so that it doesn't become an impediment um in terms of the existing the the residents of the >> I think they mean the township spots. >> You're right on the residential spots, the tenants. Yeah. I think what deputy
mayor was talking about was just the public spaces. >> The public spaces. Okay. >> 22 spots. Okay. Great. Thank you. Yeah. >> So, um, yes. So, we can rearrange that to to to make sure that there's no queuing issue. We understand that fully. >> And then Michael, I think Deputy Mayor
Belure was asking just about the unit mix and just how be similar or different. Can you just go through that? >> Sure. Um, the last thing that I'll just say about this plan is is that we we have been able to move the amenity spaces to this level, which makes sense for from a constructibility standpoint. So, you'll see the fitness um and the
kids' room located on this level. Next uh slide please, Golden. Um here is where we have our first level of woodframe construction but also first level of residential construction. And you'll see that the difference here is is that we have uh maximized the amount
of three-bedroom units within the project. So overall um with with we have 48 dwelling units that is consistent with the original approval and with the last iterations of the project that we've presented. Um and in that uh uh
mix we have one uh one-bedroom affordable, we have uh four two-bedroom affordables, two two-bedroom market rate units, 39 three-bedroom market rate units, and two three-bedroom affordable
units. Um the affordable units um total seven um which is consistent with the last approval and is the 15%. Um, and you can tell, um, we've then rearranged the apartments and some of the massing to allow for the the three bedrooms to
be, um, the correct amount of square footage. Um, so th this plan does stack um throughout the the the floor plans here. We have private terraces located on either side of the building to allow for windows and light. Um, we have balconies on the building that we are
proposing uh for the market rate units. Um, and we think that this project is is is one that we can really be proud of and and bring um a great project to the plaza. The one thing that I will note, if we go to the uh top floor residential units, um you can just kind of scroll
through here. Pretty much everything stacks. Go to the next one and the next one after that. So you'll see here um we are proposing an amenity deck uh on the uh sixth floor
of the project. Um that's where um and we believe that that will provide a really nice outdoor amenity for all of the residents of the of the building. And then on the roof as well, we are proposing a roof deck um on the top floor. Um, we're still working through
uh whether all that square footage is needed for an outdoor amenity. Um, but we do believe that that will be a great amenity uh for the all of the residents of of this building. >> So, what are we looking for? >> So, >> I mean, we're looking for the ground. We really >> No, I know. I I understand. So, we're
look this is what we're looking for. First and foremost, the extension on the redevelopment agreement. We're asking for a year. Second, second of all, we if these plans if there's no concerns with these plans, which is why we wanted to show them to the committee, then I would send I would ask Gold and Mike to look
at them, confirm whether or not they agree that they comply with the redevelopment plan, whether they think an amendment to the site plan is required, get their opinion on that. If it is, obviously, we'll go through that process. So we have the extension on the redevelopment agreement and the transfer of the agreement and the pilot to the
new entity that would be taking over the property which is vertical realy that and they will form an urban renewal obviously that has to take title to the property since it is an area need of redevelopment. >> Mike do you want to comment on that? Uh the existing redevelopment agreement
contemplates for all of that. Um the transfer from the existing designated redeveloper to the new entity would require uh written consent. >> Um which the agreement says should not be unreasonably withheld. Um, and there
would need to be a a finding and and I guess in the request itself. Um, the new entity um should lay out how that entity is uh a qualified entity as that term is
used in the redevelopment agreement. Um, and all those findings be incorporated in the transfer. >> Yeah. And just to be clear too, we don't need to transfer it tomorrow. That's not We can get Michael and the and the and the town the information on
the qualified entity so you can see that the Feldman's have the experience, the wherewithal to do the project. That that doesn't have to be tomorrow. What is imminent though is we would like on at your next council meeting, which I think is Tuesday, for the extension to occur on the redevelopment agreement and then
we can work out all these other details in the next couple weeks or months to get them done. >> Mike, have you seen the contract or redact it if need be? Have you seen the contract of sale redacted? >> I haven't sent it to him, but I can't, but I can if you want. >> So, my personal opinion is if there is a kind I mentioned this before, if there is a contract of sale, it'll get
redacted on anything that needs to be. My recommendation to the council will be that you're making progress and moving forward. That's just my uh personal opinion, but uh I want you to at least be able to tell the council that it's back in all due respect because we've heard, you know, we're trying, we're working, we're trying, we're working. So, if there's something signed, it
works for me, but I for everyone else. I I think um the other option was for Mr. Vogle to sell the property to somebody. That would have been our other option and he's already done that. So I don't see why council would I I think it would be foolish of us not to give the year at
this point. We would give that to any other entity and he took care of it on his own. So >> yeah, I can submit the request. I could submit the redacted contract to Mike so he could take so we can confirm that for the council and then we can go from there. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And and if you send that today, um
I'll try to get a resolution on, you know, over to Doug today so that could be on the agenda for Tuesday. >> Yeah. And then again, we could work on the other items, the transferring of the pilot and the redevelopment agreement at a later date. >> Okay. Um the only concern that I have, of course, I cannot speak for my other
colleagues. >> Um the fact that there's a pilot, so we're looking to uh grant an extension of one year on a project that involves a pilot. that may be something you would actually have to you know kind of explain um as term as in terms of the
benefits to the township. The other thing is the last discussion we had there seemed to be uh some um uh interest in making some of these units um um for sale resales. So I'm just
curious as to what has happened with that. Is this are we strictly still luxury? Um, >> so that's when rentals or so when >> I know the previous owner had said that he was looking at >> so I can speak to that. So I think >> as everybody said Jonathan Bogle was
looking to figure out a way to make this project work and he was exploring all options and I think the best option that came out of it was selling it to vertical realy which specializes in multif family force uh sorry rentals. So, was Jonathan exploring every option,
Deputy Mayor? 100% he was. But I think this is probably the best option, which is selling it to an a developer with experience not only in development, but management of these types of properties. Um, but yes, it would be all rental at this point and we they feel that that
works from a financial perspective. >> I'll I'll just explain. I had one of the prospective buyers did reach out to me, met with me, and when I explained to him that the condos, he actually met with me a second time. He owns quite a bit of in town land in town such as a Glot Express parking lot and his number was a million
dollars that he wanted that he was going to ask for per unit. I mean, I end I ended the meeting at that point because I don't think there's a market right now for a million dollars, but I know I did ask you and I think your other clients can speak to it later and everyone else because this is a much older plan about talking about condos going forward. So,
>> yeah. No, and I know and the deputy mayor's indicated that's something the the township would like to see in certain areas of the town and um I understand that. I just think in this situation, the rentals work, especially in more of the, you know, this setting with with in a mixeduse environment over here.
>> Okay. Um Okay. So, if you guys could please coordinate and um get what you need and we're going to head on to the next agenda. I have to step out for a 9:00 phone call and Gold has this looks excellent to discuss. So, I'm going to apologize to everyone. We're going to take a not break. We're
going to do a some town cleanup matters and then we'll go on to the next items after. >> Okay. So, take a break now. >> We'll continue. You're more than welcome to stay, but your your next presentation will be after I get >> Okay, fine. Sure. >> Question on this one. Michael, how far are you from like uh elevations?
>> Uh in terms of >> concept elevations, >> concept elevations, that's essentially the next step. If if if everyone's okay with the massing of the building and the layout and the unit mix that we're making changes to, then that would be the next step to then present um those different things and probably meet with
the town on on on that before we go to the planning board. >> Okay. >> All right. All right. We'll wait. Thanks. >> Four is yours on this. You have my vote on this. >> I don't think it's a vote, but sure. Okay. So, just a upkeeping item. I
wanted to just update the zoning committee. This isn't like a vote. This isn't like a hearing or anything. Um, so Scott Salmon and I have been working on some cleanup with the land use administration ordinance. um particularly giving some more meat to
things that have had ambiguity. Um for example, there hasn't really been like a formal definition of major versus minor site plan. Um I know that there's been updates to the ordinance over the past year about like kind of the completeness process and a review committee and now
that we're seeing that happen in practice, what's the more you know practical way to approach this? So, um, essentially what you're going to probably see at an upcoming council meeting is an ordinance that will define a minor and major site plan officially.
It will formalize a completeness review process where it will empower one of the uh, board professionals for each board to review what will be a new comprehensive checklist that makes more sense to applicants, I think, and to us. Um,
just our applications haven't seemed to work in our favor. So, just kind of using lessons learned and our experiences in other towns that we work with, what's like the best practices to ask for in a major minor uh site plan or subdivision and just, you know, putting
it into code cuz an I don't know about application, but a checklist itself, it's not just random, it's actually codified in the code. So, we're trying to just get that cleaned up, too. And so, that those items are very clearly defined. Uh we're also going through the fee and escros in the
ordinance just because uh it's been a very long time I think since they've been updated. I've worked with other towns that have had the same situation um where they need to clean up escros because they're decades of years old and then as we evolve over time and you have professionals and cost of doing business
just bringing it, you know, kind of to the relevant times. And then lastly, I've been working with Adeline, uh who's great, by the way. Shout out to her. I really really uh you guys got a good one with her. Um she I don't know if this is her role in Tene, but she seems to be
the the SDL guru and knows how to software engineer it and kind of do some of that stuff in house. So >> her supervisor's in the back corner of the room. >> Yeah, she's great. >> She's really good. >> Um she actually helped clean up the website itself. We were looking at the
planning and the zoning pages which were actually two separate pages that we brought together. That way this application can bring you to one universal link that um >> kind of takes the best from both of them. Like one of them would have the documents, the other page would have the
how do you do the hearing but like why aren't they on each other? There was just inconsistencies. So we cleaned up the landing pages. We're putting the SDL um like application very clearly there and trying to move to a more online streamlining so that uh we're not
guessing like what applications are in whose email boxes and that uh we're trying to figure out if there's ways to do email triggers so that you know everyone's included along the way. So, that's really it. And I just passed it uh to the council members here and the
mayor what the new application checklists, you know, subject to further redline by groups of people. I know that we've sent these around to all the board professionals for some comments back, but um that's the plan. So, I wanted to just tell the zoning committee that
that's happening. >> So, J Oh, go ahead. I I just wanted to know um we about a a year ago we we had um pretty much um revamped the whole ordinance about um developers
>> guys. It's hard to hear >> developers fees >> um so that it's it's clear to a developer who's putting forth an application what their obligations are from a financial perspective. >> Is that um connected to this?
>> Yes. So that would be in that application. Uh we kind of did it almost like a like a checklist in itself where does this apply, does this not apply, site plan, etc. And then it can easily kind of guide an applicant how to
calculate it. But also what Add's doing and SDL seems to have this capability is as you file online, it as you like check off C variance, as you check off site plan, it sort of builds the the bill I guess you can say at the end. And
I believe there's a way to even pay it online, too. Addy Addy could speak to that. But it it's it's much more I'll say obvious to how to calculate it than what we previously had, which is kind of >> And my last question is
>> inherent in here. Is there uh the ADU uh applications? So the ADUs are, you know, they're in the ordinance and if you have an application for one, you would apply to this. I don't know if there's like a specific ADU application.
I don't know if one even exists today, but this would be kind of a general for all the whether you're a site plan or if you're site plan exempt. Let's say you are an ADU and that falls under site plan exempt like that it would fall in the same process. This is like a universal process for any land use
application. So perhaps there could be a link from here to in case you have an interest in ADUs, some type of linkage to the information about ADUs, >> the ordinance, >> the ordinance and the requirements because we clearly have the building department has requirements. >> Sure. Maybe we can speak outside of this
just what you kind of vision and I can see if it's a way to build it in. >> Great. Thanks. >> Maybe it's just one more check item. Mhm. >> We had met with a company at the league, the the manager and the mayor and I, and it seems like this is what we were going to hire them to do, but now we're doing it in house, right?
>> So, I wouldn't rule them out. You know, I you like I said, Addy, you had you have like a little secret weapon. So, she um like I can't software engineer this stuff for you guys, but it seems like you have someone in house who um maybe we didn't like realize back then.
And so we're going to see if SDL can can accomplish what this uh township needs. >> Okay. >> I wouldn't rule them out, but >> for now, >> let's see if we have >> if we have the uh infrastructure
already. And if it doesn't, you know, do what we need. I mean, they're I'm sure they're I believe your business administrator's been in touch with them. >> Okay. >> But they are nice guys. I like them. Abe. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, this is justformational
those forms and you're going to have like a an official ordinance that's going to bring everything into consistency because some of this is like you have to change your definitions, the site plans. You need to actually take a checklist and put it into the code. It's not just,
you know, an admin form we made out of thin air. It's actually these things get codified. So, you will eventually have what is um it's a land use ordinance, but it's very administrative in nature. And so, uh
May, I would anticipate maybe an introduction. Flip through it to see if I caught everything. Said everything. I believe that's everything. Maybe you can handle there any option of you handling any of these items.
Um, we can I mean it's it's up to you. Um, if you want to go take another agenda item now. >> Jason, is there anything you want to start with that he might already know about or
>> whatever? Um, you could start. I It's up to you. >> Yeah, let's start. >> Okay, that's fine. So, hello again everybody. Uh, Jason Tuval. Uh, this is a pro a proposed project, very preliminary, 365 uh, Fort
Lee Road. Um, we're here with Chris Pereira, the architect um, as well as the, uh, developer. Um, the goal here would be to do 20 or 21 units um, on this side of uh, of Fort Lee Road. For for me, doing work here, I don't think
I've had projects on this side of the municipality. um in in quite some time. So, what I wanted um Chris to do is come uh explain explain the proposal. Um I just get feedback. Uh this is not zoned for this obviously. So, this would
either be something that the town reszones if it chose to do that. We could talk about that or we'd have to go to the zoning board of adjustment for a variance. Those are really would be the the two options. So, let me let me have Chris come up. You know, Chris obviously done a lot of work here before. Hey,
good morning everyone. >> How are we doing? >> Yeah. So, Chris, why don't you just kind of walk through where the site is located? Um, and then we can talk about the proposed plan. >> Um, sure. Actually, let me get my my iPad here.
>> Um, so did the and I'm sorry, we we had uh uh provided a different PDF and uh Jason and I had a conversation yesterday and he asked me to uh put a a satellite image just so we have some a an idea of the aerial conditions of this property.
So, this is uh it's by Teneac Road. um with uh Fort Lee and the corner property as you see there in the image uh the corner property has already a three-story uh building with the parking on the ground floor. Uh our property
sits right behind that. So on the image on the right you can barely see a little a little red dot there. So it's it's yes exactly that's the property uh that we are discussing here. Uh so the the idea and the intent is to do uh a project in
a development of a similar size, similar scale uh that would have parking on the ground floor much like this property on the on the corner and uh three levels of residential on top. Um the if you can go to the next sheet I can maybe just go
through the parking. Uh yeah, thank you. So you what you see there is the the property uh parking uh that we're trying to provide is uh you
know providing some tandem spaces but trying to maximize the number of parking that we can uh can provide here on this site. Uh you can barely see there's a red line that surrounds that's dashed that that would be the projection of the building above which would have a a
five- foot you know setback from all property lines. Uh and you have the parking garage coming in uh at the center and then you have the lobby with the elevator and stairs on the right and then you have our uh garbage room refuge room on the left side with the other
secondary means of egress. Uh and then the parking essentially it's an aisle in the middle with parking on both sides. Uh we have uh 18 head-on spaces but then we have all the the other tandem. So we get you 31 parking spaces. Uh and the
the proposal here if you can go to the next sheet please. Um that would be a typical you know very schematic floor plan. So uh the the first floor uh has amenities. So the the onebedroom next to the amenity there would also be an
amenity uh in on this floor and the upper levels you would have five the so the green uh units will be onebedroom. So five one-bedroom units and two twobedroom units. So you can see the breakdown there on the right side. Uh second floor, third, fourth floor,
fourth floor uh for a total of 20. So it'll be 20 units. Um, six of those would be two bedrooms and the balance would be one bedrooms uh for a total of three stories over parking. So, we don't have concept elevations yet or anything.
It was very preliminary. We wanted to as mentioned by Mr. Devel. Uh, this is not zoned for this. So, we require uh us to work with the board or to go to the zoning. Uh uh but again the the proposal is very similar to what's uh next door
to user Chris real quick. >> Thank you. >> Yeah just again because I know the mayor wasn't in the room just it's the site yeah right behind the that multif family. >> It's between the multif family and over pet park.
>> No I think there there's other multif family nearby but I believe there's a single family in between >> and the single family will stay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that right that lot east. >> I think that's to the east. >> Um would would say
>> that would be the final um property on that side before the dead end. >> Would you say it's it's deadended on that street? >> Is it this site or is it this house as well? >> We know these three apartments here. Here's the Gabriel. Is it is there
another site between the >> creepy that creepy path that they walk down with the >> Yeah. So the site is just where the red is the house is not included. >> There's one that >> So it's going to be the Gabriel single
family your proposed site single family park and multif family across correct >> and then the dead end. >> Yes. >> Then the dead end. >> This is zoned RM today. I'm looking I'm just trying to find on the zone map but if you know it faster.
>> Yeah I believe it was R. Yeah it's >> So when you say it's not zoned for it is it because of density because multif family is allowed there. >> It wouldn't we wouldn't comply with the conditional use requirements. I believe that there's a bunch of conditional use requirements there. I don't think >> but we can go over that goal like we're
not obviously the one of the conditional use requirements is height. We have to go through that with Chris but >> we just wanted to get the feedback but yeah usually it's It's a conditional use in the area. >> So, what are you looking for? >> Just feedback. 20 units. It would be
three over one. Um, parking grade. >> Parking a grade. We have 31 spaces for the 21. Although you saw the plan, we do have quite a few tandemss, but you know, we have six two-bedroom units and, you know, so the tandemss would work on a condition like this.
>> Yeah. And if this was something that that you feel is is positive, what what do we explor? Do we do a we just zoning board adjustment is fine. We could we could do that too, but we prefer obviously a zone change if that's something >> the town council >> that's a question.
>> Okay. So, just in terms of um summarizing um we're talking about um 20% set aside it would have to be under the new ordinance and um you're doing an analysis of resale of what it would be for resale. Yeah, I I told I mean I told
the client that that's something that the town would like us to to evaluate and they will do that. >> Okay, great. Thanks. >> I I think I mean the only person it would affect is a one single family home which is already near multif family. So it to me
>> Oh, it's multi family right >> then. There you go. To me it it makes perfect sense. Okay. >> I'm just shocked that the developer the Gabriel that's looking at every site in Tene right now and said three different sites did not look at this first to be quite honest.
>> I mean gold did you have any just preliminary >> the setback is always working. >> Yeah. >> I just would maybe want to see a little more increase than five foot setbacks from the property line. I don't know if you need to talk to fire departments and just kind of for an access and a breathing room. I'm sure that will bring
coverage down. >> Um yeah. for a small building like that. I I don't think that, you know, we wouldn't be required to provide the gris windows or anything, but >> uh we can exploit that on the upper levels. The parking you saw we're, >> you know, we're basically bringing the
parking right to the property line with the tandem. So, we can reduce some of the tandemss too and if that's desired, but I we with the 1.55 parking for this area of town, maybe that makes more sense and providing the tandem spaces. Uh but we can we can explore upstairs on
the upper level. >> Yeah. I mean there is bus stops all along T-C road for Yeah. for for u public transportation there. >> So so it would be four stories just so at four stories we're looking at what probably like around 50 ft. >> Yeah. Yeah. Give it or take it. >> Okay.
>> But it's graded down. It goes downhill. That's >> it is quite a bit. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's it's a topographical change. It goes down from T-neck road. >> Yeah. Um, so >> do you have any um like uh balconies or anything to give some outdoor space to these units? >> Uh we we don't, but uh we could discuss
a small roof deck, you know, uh space for tenants that they could use it. I mean, that might be >> that may be the best way to do that as a common area, >> bring the elevator up. And >> so that's a great idea in terms of that. The um in terms of environmentals, I know it's preliminary. Um, have you
identified any kind of um hazards, any kind of flooding, any any uh anything like that? >> We'd have to have a civil engineer obviously look at it for flood hazard area and and wetlands. >> Um, I'm assuming since there's development further towards the park that wetland shouldn't be an issue, but
if there is flood hazard area, obviously storm water rules, we'd have to comply with all those things. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right. Great. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Receive the ground. >> Okay. >> Um, okay. Thank you. >> I think before we hit the DPW, uh Rammy,
you want to uh jump on? >> Yes. >> Um just to bring everyone back up to speed, um who wasn't here prior, uh this is the Aspen Terrace location, which Ramy will he'll pull up and he'll give us a brief credentials. He's been here
before the the board. He presented a initial project to us with three other sites nearby. We met with all three of us met with him on site and we walked the site and we had spoke to him about potentially acquiring
privately the two sites one to the west one to the south one to the north which I believe he'll talk to us that he now has done and then his next request which we walked and discussed was two sites to the south is a large township site that is not restricted that he's interested
in purchasing and we had briefly only briefly discussed the proceeds from that to go to upgrade Argon Park and making that a um really a um I don't want to say a vote park second, but really a minuteizing heavily renovating that park. Uh did I phrase that properly?
Yes. >> Okay. So, if you can now take a half a step back because I talk quickly and just show on the maps your site, the two sites you picked up and whatnot, the town site and >> so um we have the uh originally uh
presented and I just sent an email. I'm sorry. Just uh doesn't sent an email. >> Where is this on the agenda? >> Okay. >> I just >> I didn't know that uh we're presenting a PDF. Um because >> So, who who has it? Who did you send it to?
>> Uh I I sent it reply to all to on the email that we had for this schedule. >> No problem. Give me one second. And >> was it sent to all of us? >> Yeah, I see it. Um >> Oh, you just sent it now. >> You just >> Oh, you just sent it now. Okay.
>> Yep. Are we on um 542 Englewood? >> What property is it? >> So, I just want to be clear that this is a concept at this point and we would like to um expand and it's more of a reasoning um proposal for the entire
block. I'm sorry, did you guys get the email? >> No, >> you haven't yet. I don't think it's attached. I think you asked Angel, whoever Angel is, to send it to us. Okay. On the bottom, we see it. Um, we can start with this. Um,
who should I forward it to to put it up there? The clerk is Are you on this email? >> I'm working on >> Oh, yeah. Okay. You're on. That's okay. At the bottom of his email is the tax map here. >> Yeah. >> And and there's another email that just
um came in. >> Perfect. like that. >> It's just >> I think he assumed we had it from prior. >> Okay. It just came. I just got >> So it's two separate buildings.
It's um well the lot the the block has uh lots uh 6 7 8 and nine uh nine being uh owned by the uh in by the T- Township. Um 67 uh we owned 67 and eight
uh we're getting into a joint venture with the uh with the owners and we're still discussing uh the how we can uh proceed with the development. Um the proposal here it's really on 67 which is
approximately 37,000 square ft a little like8 of an acre and u lot 9 if that is a potential I have some like public information that uh the state had
allocated some funds to rehab the playground and the park and uh the township has to come up with the uh matching funds and we propose to um if there is a pathway to purchase that and
provide the matching funds for the rehab and allocate as the a plaza in the area and of course some affordable housing. uh but we can start with the uh phase one we call it phase one two and three
uh for the project and the phase one two and three all of them for the upzone the area and provide a um most likely the a number a good number of affordable housing and uh market rate
rentals. Um we did a little bit of analysis for the uh projects and uh it has to be rental. We cannot afford we the market doesn't uh allow to go for condos and so on and it's more of a
one-bedroom uh rentals and few uh two bedrooms. Um the proposal I'm sorry >> the I just said you said that your email is uh speak So I have a copy. The site is located on
the uh spruce and eastwood which is approximately the address is deceiving mayor when we talked about the the distance and the address is 540 uh of the corner. The address is deceiving the uh distance
from Tina it's about 22. That's it. Thank you. The distance from uh Tina is about uh 200 I'm sorry two 2200 or 2300 uh ft. Uh and the distance from Englewood where the
bus stop is it's about uh just that much uh a little more uh than uh uh 23 2400 uh ft. Uh it's about 5 minutes walk 5 7 minutes walk. Um and that's where the transit and the bus stops and um that's
of course all of the distances that uh we can u see and the site you can see that the uh tax slots uh six seven are in the corner of East Englewood and um Spruce and then n uh eight uh on the uh
spruce and nine is by the park. Um if we can scroll down to the next page please. So the proposal is to simply this is again this is a concept and uh we think that this concept uh can be uh very much
workable um if the town thinks about um scaling up or down for the number of affordable units uh we're open to that. Uh phase one would be the uh building on uh the corner of Spruce and Englewood
and that is uh we're proposing a a grade uh parking and uh four stories of residential uh with rooftop amenities. We will uh we will comply with the um lot coverage by
providing rooftop green rooftop and not um really at the grade because the grade we're using we're using a big portion of the lot for parking and uh the to offset the uh issue with the uh lot coverage.
We're proposing the green roof. Um if we can scroll down and you can see that the building um on the corner and the building on the other the opposite side that's the building on the opposite side is where the uh Tak Township owns the
land and that's when uh you can see in one of the images the plaza that we're proposing. But if we scroll down um obviously the storm water management will be uh provided uh to capacity for the entire lot and would be under a
parking lot. The site will have a uh or the proposal uh will have a site a front yard on both Spruce Street and uh East Englewood uh with two parking entrances and exits on Spruce Street being the
Spruce Street that uh has the uh lighter traffic at this point. Um we're proposing um number of parking that uh almost uh will be about in a ratio of about 1.2 per dwelling unit and the
number of dwelling units we think that uh this is can go to if we can scroll down to the next level please. Uh so this is the uh you can see the tax map where the it's very it's at the edge
of at the eastern edge of uh of uh uh Tuck uh we're very close to close to Inglewood. So if we scroll down u for the parking uh we think that we get approximately 1.2 uh parking space. We did not utilize
tandem parking. Uh we could if that is something that's preferred. Uh most of the lot is covered by parking again uh because the offset of the lot coverage is going to be on the green green roof. And then it's a simple design for a if
you can scroll down uh please simple design for mostly onebedroom and two bedroom uh units on the uh on the typical floor. Um this can give us approximately 22 dwelling units, maybe
20 if we can uh fine-tune it a little bit. Uh but it's a right now it's a 22 uh dwelling units for four floors. >> What What was the percentage of one bedroom and two bedroom? >> Um we have approximately 10% of uh two
bedrooms. >> Why so few? if we're putting it parkside and and we're going to have a nice park, why wouldn't we want families to move in? >> So, we're open to that, but the uh issue here is that uh we think that this is
going to be more for young people, more for um sometimes commuters or or people who work in the uh township. And um we're open to um do the uh change the ratio of course uh but I think uh
because of the nature of the affordable housing uh that is where we think uh we limited to um more of a I guess singles and young couples unless the township has uh different um
proposal or directions. So, am I to understand that you're you're proposing 90% onebedroom units? >> Yes. >> And and this is a historic neighborhood of single family homes.
Uh why wouldn't you think families would want to live there? Well, I understand that this is a historic uh this is something that is very close to uh Englewood and very close to transportation and we think that the
housing stocks uh in tene need to be uh need to have a big boost. Now um that is not a rigid as I said in the beginning it's a concept. I am more than happy to take all of your um suggestions and and
comments and address them. Absolutely. that is something that uh whatever the town feels comfortable in the uh terms of the breakdown of two and three if any uh bedrooms um we're open to that. Absolutely. >> One last uh just comment I'd like to
make that and that is that the National Association of Realtors says that rentals do not stabilize communities, home ownership does. So I I think it's very important that every um project
that is presented to um of course the subcommittee and ultimately to our full council really speak to home ownership at least a comparison. Uh but to come and say that we are strictly going to do 90% you know
one-bedroom you know units uh with no possibility of of you know families beginning to to purchase um is is really problematic for me. So I would not be in favor of this.
>> So I do agree with you 100%. Uh there is a little bit of uh two forces here. the affordable housing um uh demand and the home ownership demand and these two um to make it work the market needs to make
it need to make it work. As I said, in terms of the size of the dwelling unit, uh we're open to tweak that where this is just a concept to get uh we I was here about a year ago and uh we had some uh comments. uh we went to the site we
had a site visit with the mayor and the deputy mayor and we and we understand that uh at that point this point did not really come up and uh but at the same time I don't think uh that uh any of
these proposals is rigid and we definitely can tweak them to uh t to be tailored to the community to satisfy the community needs. However, when we say rental, uh if we want to make affordable housing stocks, it needs to be somewhat
rental because the market does not really afford and does not really support the model of uh condominiums. And when I'm talking about condominiums versus uh affordable, um we can definitely revisit the analysis. I have
done some uh analysis here for the um affordable housing and whether it's supposed to be condominium. This is market analysis and uh for the size of the dwelling unit for the mix of the number of bedrooms uh again this is
something that is not rigid. We can definitely tweak that. Are are you looking um for this to be a luxury building or with 90% uh single one-bedroom units? Would you be thinking about this being a workforce housing
type of building? Because >> well, the whole idea here is this is not going to be a luxury building. This is going to be middle class building. This is going to be for the teacher in the township, but this is going to be for the person who commutes to the New York to New York City. >> But priced in in what way?
>> Yes. Because if you're pricing it as workforce housing and that's the reason why um you're saying this is what the market's dictating, that's one thing. But if we're just putting a lot of one-bedroom apartments into a building and we're going to price them the way the luxury buildings are priced, that's
another story. So >> it's not going to be priced for the luxury buildings. It's definitely not going to be priced for the as a luxury building. It is going to have a mixed u of course pricing u but at the same time
it is more to provide the 15 20% affordable units and those 15 20% affordable units will be of course uh adhering to the uh AMI of the area and and so on and the rest of it it could be for the workforce it could be for
elderly person and it could be for the young people it's not going to be this is not Trump so I'm sorry it's and it's no it will never be >> um and just one more question the roof you show green space and then you show a
white area >> yes >> the white area is >> so the um we uh think that the the roof will have amenity space recreational space for the residents and of course if you scroll and of course it will no the
other way to the roof The amenity space looks like it's closest to the single family homes. >> No, no, no. That's the that's the issue. The green space, half of the building, uh, which is the side of the single family home, this is where the green
space, this is where it's not going to be accessed to provide the privacy for the single family homes. However, the wreck space is overlooking Spruce Street, which there are no single family homes at that point. So the the wreck space is actually the green space.
>> The rec space is where you see the tables. >> That that's the white area that that is closest to the single family homes. >> No, that's the opposite of the single family homes. >> Can you bring up that picture? >> Yes. >> So right there on the on the bottom
right, the white space >> in the middle is white space. >> Oh, I'm sorry. That was revised after we did the 3D. I apologize. The 3D that the green space on the 3D is is the opposite that when the roof plan was def revised afterward.
>> So overlooking those five or six single family homes that are there, you will have what? >> The green space. Nothing, no people will be allowed there. It will be the green space that's offsetting the uh offsetting the lot coverages.
>> Okay. >> I have a question. 67. Um what about eight? I know eight was you you were talks with eight eight is the another >> right >> but that's not included here >> eight eight we we don't have ownership yet we're talking and we have a verbal
agreement uh we haven't signed uh paperwork yet >> okay I have a point that uh you just made about workforce housing um I would think that um there are more opportunities for um um home ownership for workforce housing um there are a lot
of collabor collaborative state programs, county programs that assist teachers and firefighters and police officers in in purchasing. So that would be something I would you know certainly as you know as a project manager perhaps
to look into what are potential opportunities that may uh present itself to make this into uh condos enabling um you know working people to to to be able to purchase into it. And the other
question I have is um is what's the height? >> Uh the height is 50 feet. >> Okay. How many stories is this? >> That's a total of uh four residential and a parking. >> Okay. So parking >> parking at grade parking.
>> Uh okay. Making ultimately five stories. >> Parking first level four stories above. So we're talking about a fivetory. >> Yeah. We would say ground ground floor and five. Okay. So a total of five. >> Five. Yes. >> Okay. in the northeast. Uh >> okay. Thank you.
>> So for the ownership for the home ownership uh one of the ideas would be that uh because we have the large uh area and because we have lot nine that we're thinking that uh this can be added to the mix. uh one building can be more
of affordable housing and the other building can be more of a condominiums if that's uh if that's the direction where the township can go for. And of course that the uh building closer to the park and closer to the amenities
overlooking the park and has the uh the better view that probably can go for the uh where lot 9 is that probably can go where um uh condominiums can be. Okay. Keep in mind that affordable housing regulations ma mandates that affordable
units be incorporated with market rate. >> Yes, absolutely. That is in the phase one project and phase one building. We're not proposing a one building to be 100% affordable and one building to be market rate. As a matter of fact, it's
not going to be on the same floor. It's not going to be even uh uh one floor of affordable and one floor of uh market rate. It will be mixed the affordable immediately adjacent to the um to the market rate. >> Anything else?
>> I just um would encourage you to look at the master plan. There's a lot of language about buildings of this scale in single family neighborhoods and just please take that into consideration when you do your next uh concept rendering. >> Absolutely. I have actually done uh some
uh reasonzoning analysis and we did some uh research on uh 11 projects that were presented to the board of adjustments. Uh nine of which got some approvals and two uh were rejected and then uh a reasonzoning at the uh council level
happened to uh to do for one of the projects. I did look at the u uh master plan and uh and we're constantly reviewing anything new that comes in the uh with the township. Now what we're
saying in this uh probably because of the scale of the lot, the uh location of the lot which is at the edge of the township and of course yes it's right next to the parks. uh we can uh we think
that the town uh can benefit and it will be a very uh beneficial uh for the town and the taxes and the utilization of the parks. Right now if you go to the park is empty and we wanted to have some
opportunity to uh redo the park and utilize the park and have it more of a focal point in the neighborhood. I I would just add to that, a comment to that. I mean, who comes to parks? Families, children.
So, I mean, I I think that maybe in in your next rendering, maybe take that into account that, you know, it is a park. It's a park that I think the township wants to see improved, wants to see it, you know, well populated and having, you know, people be there. Um,
but I I would think a a housing um project next to a park would have children and would attract families. >> Thank you. >> Deputy Mayor, if I may ask, what would be the uh in your idea of the
satisfaction for the unit mix in terms of one, two, and threebedroom units? >> Great question. I would say mostly two to three units. Two to three bedrooms. >> Two to three bedrooms. >> Yeah. Yeah. I would think I mostly I would think that you know if you're looking to to we're we're you know
looking to attract families to come to to live in our township. Uh we typically are inviting families to to come and there's it's it it first of all it's not walkable to any type of mixed use. It's
it's to get to your closest um business. you're literally walking either up to Tene Road or down into Anglewood. So to make that to if if your vision is that that's going to attract single
people, um that may be true in a Hoboken or a town, you know, like Jersey City, but we're talking about a project that's right in the middle of the northeast single family mostly community. They're
church. You're across the street from a church. So, a church typically you're going to see families. You're across the you're next to a a park. So, I would think ch you know families with children. So, to answer your question, I
I I would think that that would be something I'd look at. >> Thank you. I appreciate that. if you allow me. Um, we looked at a lot of the developments in the um in really in in Tak in in Hackinack area and in Ridge in
Ridgewood, Ridgefield and and uh Fort Le area and we have seen that a lot of those mixes that really sometimes don't come below the threshold of 70% uh of one bedroom and the uh market since co
is a little bit changing and I agree with view. We definitely we can increase the mix to two and three bedrooms. But at the same time, uh there are a lot of balances here. Uh what's one of which would be the uh stress uh on the uh
school districts and and so on. And we're seeing a lot of people living alone and and or living uh with in couples these days. And um really since co until now the market has changed a
little bit. I understand uh we did the a lot of analysis here. Uh we definitely can revisit this and and um bring back some new proposal. >> So summary is unit count um condominated option and do you want to wrap up with
any of your >> Yeah, I I actually think the location is perfect. While it is a single family um neighborhood to the east there's only one home on that entire street to the west those houses are very well kept up
and people who I'm sure enjoy the park. So a development there I'm in favor of but this development I think you're off. I think you need to to um not tune up. I think you need to scrap it and start again. I don't I don't like um that it's
single family homes. uh the single family uh units for that area. I think you need to be more more creative. I don't think you're going to have the support at council for this the way that it is. >> Okay. >> And the second building, I love that
because it's near nothing. It's again, it only touches one of those single family homes and the rest of it is woods on the other side of the street and it is near a park. But I think you need to appeal to the neighborhood in what you're putting in there, people that would want to live there. And I think the that park needs to be a focal point
of your development. How are we going to upgrade the park and bring bring people to it? So that's just my opinion. The way that it is, I wouldn't support it either. >> Absolutely. And thank you so much. I really appreciate your comments. Um the uh single the the second building uh is
really contingent upon uh some actions from the township. uh the township. Um if that is acceptable to the township, the township needs to uh start some process and uh we definitely are more than happy to work with the township on
fine-tuning the proposals. When it comes to the unit mix and when it comes to the um density and the home ownership uh versus the uh affordable or rental, I'm not going to call it affordable. I'm going to say home ownership versus
rental because the home ownership can be either affordable or market rate and the rental can be uh both too. So we will call it as a one building to be the rental the other building to be uh home ownership and that is uh of course um
something that we need to uh start the process of uh how we come here to make it uh acceptable to the council. You you may also want to take a look. There is a development by um Heric Park. It's called Parkside Lane and those are um
beautiful town homes that surround a park. You may want to go there's enough property here. You may want to go take a look at that and and see that that model would probably be a lot more palatable and would really enhance the neighborhood. >> Uh yes, absolutely. Uh we looked at a a
lot of other developments in this in the area. So take a look at take a look at we call Huba actually developer is right here as a matter of fact. Um >> take a look at Parkside. It was 70 70 or so town homes that were >> very quickly sold out. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. And and have you um looked at uh wetland conditions? Yes. >> In those woods? >> Yes. And uh if you can scroll up on one of those um this is where the wetland is. Uh it's not actually where we are.
It's a little bit off. This is the the the blue and of course definitely we will have to do more research and more work on this. Um when it comes to the civil engineering uh but immediately this is where the wetland is that's from
the um B County GIS. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean the GIS is you know maybe a starting place. >> Yes. Cuz because if you look if you look at that the the green area, you know, just a little bit uh to the north,
that's what we call the the Shephard Woods. >> Yeah. >> And there's no GIS wetlands indicated there. But um you know having looked at that property in some detail you know there are wetland characteristics >> I actually was surprised because yes uh
on the block itself there is a little bit of a creek if you will and I was surprised to see this but more investigation is needed. Uh initially the FEMA uh flood map and the uh wetland um from the uh Bergen County GIS did not
indicate uh any uh wetland at this point, but of course more investigation is needed. >> Perfect. Okay, so let's head on to our Thank you, sir. Um we're going to head on to the DPW. Um Deput, do you want to start that? I know you want on the
agenda. Do you want to jump right in council things to do and then some people here as well? >> Yeah. So, we're really excited. Um, we've um we're in a contract with Leonia to move our DPW to uh next to their property in Overpack Park, which leaves
us 7 and 12 acres of riverfront property um off of River Road in Tene. And um we are looking to sell that property to the right developer um as soon as we can. We're hoping to
start the process um hopefully by auction. We're meeting with somebody this week and just wanted to invite people here um if anybody would want to share their thoughts on what um a project would be or just to hear from us
that that we're looking to do this and we're looking to do it very quickly. Um and um yeah, just a really exciting project. Nothing's been developed in that area other than Newbridge Road in
in a long time. And um we think that'll be a location that will sell out or rent out very very quickly. Uh right now it's only single family homes. A lot of older people who are living by themselves in homes who would look to downsize and
move to a a neighborhood um where they could be together and that would free up housing stock in the northwest of Tene. So, um, anybody who expressed interest, I asked the mayor to invite. Um, and if anybody has something they want to present or questions you want to ask
about it or comments and suggestions for us, we're happy to hear them. >> Um, I think some of you have presented in the past. I'm not sure if you have it here to present. Also, I just want to point out that at least three developers in the room all live very near to the site. Just want to think that's important, too. Some of them very, very
close. >> I think you're one of the closest to begin with. I think you're >> I faster. I think I think you're three I think you're three houses away to be honest with you. Um okay now I know you guys if want to get up and say your name or just talk I mean it's >> Did you Did you bring anything? I know last time you were here
>> I did not bring >> No and it's fine. I know last time you were here you brought stuff and I apologize. Last time you were here we had a problem identifying this. It was myself. It was deputy mayor. Sorry it was councilman Hillary Goldberg and there was a third individual both who are not here. We just don't recall who
that third council member was. So, um I know Deputy Mayor Morgan wanted to meet with you and um but I I apologize. So, >> we we are also looking to hold a community meeting um for people who live in the area. Um I hope soon just to get some feedback from them on what they
would like to see there. I I personally am in favor of rentals in that area. I don't think people are going to be selling homes to move and purchase another home. Uh Deputy Mayor Belchure, I think, is looking for um for purchase there. So, um, we've we've got
discussion amongst ourselves to happen as well. >> Okay. Can we look at our calendar while we're here and just look for a community day calendar because most people in the room would be the people at at the meeting. >> And I and I would just add a comment to Deputy Mayor's point. Um, I do believe
that we have residents in our township that uh are empty nesters and will downsize, would want to downsize from a four or five bedroomedroom house into a two-bedroom condo. So, I think that yes, there is a market for resales. Thank
you. >> All right. So, why don't we look at our calendars for a community meeting? Um, do we want to have that here? And I'm the road to center miss manager. What do you what do you recommend? >> That works out. Okay. Um and we don't really thankfully don't have any is not
the right word. We don't have much holidays really coming up in the next few weeks. That changes. So I would like to look at the week of um we don't have a counseling. The week of the 11th is my thought. Does that look something >> May 11th? the week of that just from
thinking out loud because that's just gives us two weeks and it's before the week of the holidays. Starting the Thursday the 21st is a long Memorial Day and there's a Jewish holiday at the same time. >> How about the sixth or seventh? >> The sixth or the seventh everything with
the seventh I doesn't but uh the sixth >> I'm not available. >> You're not available on the seventh. Uh, what about we go with our council meeting schedule? The 5th or the 12th? >> I'm not the fifth. >> You're out the fifth. >> And I can let you know about the 12th. I may or may not.
>> And we're at the 13th. Should we throw a few days out there? What would you What do you prefer to leave here with today? A few days or one day? >> Uh, that week I don't have yet. So, I don't know. I have the week before. >> And the week before you only have the You have the >> It's fine. I We can't do it. >> Okay. So, let's look at the 11th, 12th,
13th. and 14th all work for me. We have the senior prom is at the but that's at four o'clock. Um so it's the entire week basically. >> 14th is a planning board meeting. >> What's that? >> May 14th is a planning board meeting that will happen.
>> So down to 11, 12 or 13. Um Mike, do we need you there? >> Uh I can be available. It's it's up to you. >> Yeah. 11 12 13. >> Yeah, that works for me. only 12:30 you let us know the 13th. Okay. So now we're
the in council chambers um 8 o'clock or you want to do 8:30 so that you're kind of guaranteed with work at the 8. >> Okay. >> 8:30 works for you better. >> Mhm. >> So okay. >> That's kind of late for >> So do 8. It's fine if I can't be there. >> What we want you there or do you want to
So what would you like to do? >> I'll get back to you. >> Okay. 11th 12th or 13th. Okay. Um what on on the same topic we have a few other items to discuss. >> Do you want to start?
>> Um before we ask to hear from them. >> Well actually nothing nothing for this subcommittee agenda. >> Nothing for the subcommittee. >> Right. >> Got it. Okay. Um and I did sign some paperwork for colleers to redo the DPW and Leonia this morning. Okay. Anybody want to Jacob? You want to introduce
yourself? talk about what you recently finished. >> Sure. So, my name is uh Jacob Scher. I'm a proud Tene resident. I live on Dearborn Street right around the corner from the site. I know it well. Um I brought my partner here from our Parkside Lane job, Abe Zooker from
Somerset Development, a very highly regarded home builder throughout New Jersey and in parts of New York. I think uh the product that we delivered to to town I think was a a success for everybody both for us and for the town as well. We managed to fulfill all the
affordable requirements that the town had. I think we established a very good rapport with the council with the building department. Abe and I ran the project really from A to Z from everywhere like on the ground all the way you know up to the higher levels.
And uh from our point of view it was a it was like I said it was a success. On that note we would love to be involved in this project. I think several years ago I checked my notes we had two concepts that we presented. One was a
building with some housing. One was just town the townhouse product that we had delivered with the knowledge obviously that there is um I think a Burton County sewer that essentially bifurcates. >> There's an easement down the middle. >> There's an e. Yeah. So, I think we came
up with a creative a creative concept. Uh, again, I don't think anybody's married to it and obviously, you know, things can change. Um, yeah, I mean, you know, it's it's just a good opportunity. Obviously, a great location and uh, you know, we'd love to
we'd love to participate. >> Um, would you be able to send out or if you want to send out or not your last rendering I was a rendering that you brought here. Did you bring that? Do I recall that there was a rendering? It was up. It was a lower level. I think did you present a concept of town homes and apartments? Do I recall?
>> We we pres we presented we presented two concepts. One concept was just town homes with essentially a road covering the uh easement covering that sewer easement and then homes on each side. >> And then the other concept I believe we
we presented was a standalone building >> with some homes on the other side of the easement. six town homes for, you know, for sale or for rent, whatever on the other side on the other side of the easement. So, we could sort of like cherrypick cherry pick both.
>> So, a combination of um for purchase and for rent. >> Well, TBD on on that, but just in terms of what we would actually build. >> Okay. Um and you'll be available to come to the community meeting so you can hear what the feedback is and then next presentation. >> Yeah. I just I can't make it the night
of the senior prom. So, >> Okay. It's a different kind of >> It's actually a senior citizens prom. >> Oh, okay. That I could probably get to. >> It's a four It's a four o'clock in the afternoon at the Glen Point. A senior literally a senior prom. >> All right. Got it. >> Got it. Very cute idea. Um hopefully
there's no nothing happening in the parking lot with them. Um okay. Excellent. Um anybody else? Mr. Zer, you're good. Anything else? >> Yeah. No, just it was a it was a really pleasure working in in Tene and we you know HC Parks Lane was a beautiful, you know, development. Um, you know, as a company, we put we put it doesn't just
happen by accident. We put a lot of thought and effort into all of our projects. >> Um, we did another large project in Westmont Station, which is not that far from here, which I think the town of Woodridge actually after we finished it, they put their sign, welcome to Woodidge, in front of our project >> because they're so they're proud of it. Um, you know, down in Homedale, we
built, you know, which is now they moved their library into our into our building, Bell Works. Um, we built a lot of great spaces and we love to build another great great place in Ten. >> Perfect. >> And we're happy. We've heard no complaints in a long time. I probably should not say this about, you know, any issues in your complex. So, in the park
is finished and it looks great. So, you're entirely done. You're sold out. You're out, right? >> Yes. >> Excellent job. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> Perfect. >> Thank you. >> Um, Garden Homes or Maurice and now I think you actually live down the block but in New Milford, correct? Am I >> No, I'm in Tak now.
>> You're in TCK? Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Morning. How you doing? Thank you. >> What street if you don't mind? What street are you in in Tina? >> Edwood. >> Edwood. Okay. Yeah, good morning. Thank you council members for uh taking time out of I'm sure very busy schedule. So, by way of int by way of introduction, my
name is Amir Gabin. I live on Edgewood as uh the mayor mentioned. Um I'm representing Garden Homes Development. We're located in Short Hills, New Jersey. We are a owner, manager, and developer that has been um operating for
I think 76 years now. Um we operate across the country but our largest base is New Jersey. Uh primarily we focus on luxury rental housing. We also do for sale housing as well as all the other asset classes uh with the exception of the last mile industrial and data
centers. Um particular we have a pretty large presence in Bergen County. I believe the exact count is somewhere between 3500 and 5,000 units. I don't remember the exact number but that's throughout the entire county. Um, more locally to TN, we have and I have worked
on uh personally a number of developments nearby, not in TNC yet. Uh, Dumont, Rididgewood, Hackinack as recently as two years ago. Uh, Fairlon and uh we're very excited about the opportunity to possibly do a project uh in Tene and in conjunction with the town
possibly. Um, like I mentioned, I am a new Tene resident. Um, originally I'm actually not from the state. My wife and I, my wife is also not from the state. She's actually from Colorado. Um, so we moved to TNC during COVID because of the uh prevalence of new housing, uh, new
uh, market rate apartments. So, we very much believe in the product. I personally believe in it. Um, because I am a beneficiary beneficiary of it. I now own my home. I live in Tak. I'd like to think that I'm an okay TK resident. I'll try to be better, but uh, trying to
be a good one. And um I just wanted to come here and say we have already worked on designs. I know we've talked to the mayor and the deputy mayor uh with some concepts and and some ideas uh just to kind of give you a little bit of what we're thinking. Uh we have uh multiple
projects that are kind of a mix of town home and rental. Um some are for sale town home, some are for rent. Kind of depends on what our market studies really kind of give the feedback on. Um we have the flexibility to do that. Uh we develop everything ourselves all the
way from actual construction to management. It is extremely rare that we sell almost never. Um so we are long-term holders. We believe in long-term vision. Um we like to consider ourselves members of the community both literally in this case but on a broader
scale. Um because of how long-term we hold. And um this is one of of great interest to us for a number of reasons as I'm sure everybody will say to you, but just wanted to get up here and kind of introduce ourselves uh on a more broad scale and uh looking forward to
talking further. >> Can you talk to us because I know your last site that you did talk to us what it was and what you turned it into and obviously it's very very close in relevance and location for the site. Yeah. So, the most recent in Bergen County, obviously, we have currently, I
mean, across the company, but just in my little world alone, we're doing over 2,000 apartments throughout New Jersey right now, uh, East Brunswick, Springfield, Parcipony, but most recently in New Jersey in uh, Bigham County, sorry, was Hackinack. It's called the Jefferson. It is a 377 unit
single structure development. Um, right on Kinder Kamak Road. Um, very close to actually the roofer overpass. So very close. Um that one I think was an extremely good learning experience for us because that specific site has an incredible amount of very complex and
difficult storm water management um that we undertook uh with the help of Boulder Development along with a few other engineers. Um but that was an extremely complex management system that has worked flawlessly. Um, I know that, uh, you know, as a TK resident, I saw what the last massive storm that, you know,
the 100red-year storm that we literally lived through a few years ago. Um, you know, did to many parts of New Jersey being right in the high and low tide zones of the Hackinack River. That property uh fared perfectly. Ironically, it did better than some of the other developments that we have done recently.
Myself personally had some uh damage in other places that that one did not. Um, of course, just like, you know, much of the product that you see here, it's a highly amenitized, um, you know, project with kids rooms, gyms, uh, outdoor
amenity decks, pools, etc., etc. We probably would mimic, uh, things of that nature. Um, there's a bit of a different bend in TNC in terms of demographics than there is in Hackinack. Of course, we would take that into consideration. Um we do run into with the breadth of
our development, we run into very distinct um renter types or owner types. So we obviously cater to who lives there or who we expect to live there. Um so Hackinack, you know, that property, although we do actually have quite a number of two-bedroom dens that ironically lease very very well. Um that
probably would be a little bit different than what we're envisioning in Tene being a little bit more familyfriendly as Hackinack has really grown in the past few years. It's a little bit of a mini Hudson County. Um, but that also was that Hackinack site, Hackinack site, uh, and property actually was purchased
at auction as well from Hackinack. I believe that was actually the Hackinack DPW, but it was more of a staging ground for like police cars and things like that. Um, but so we obviously have the experience there as well. Um, very similar. There was some environmental cleanup that we had to do. Uh,
interestingly, without boring you with the details, similar soils there also because it's right on the Hackinack River, there was a lot of pile work. It was relatively complex from a civil perspective but um you know we are very vertically integrated. We have very high level professionals. We do this uh on a
very large scale. So we've been lucky enough to kind of not necessarily seen it all done at all but there's somebody in the company that has seen a lot and you can probably find them anywhere and we're all working very collaboratively. So we feel very equipped to handle these kind of complex and and interesting jobs to deliver really good product to really
good towns. >> Perfect. Appreciate that. >> All right. Have a nice weekend. Thank you. Maurice, you want to come up? You know the questions and I think you have answers for everything very similar. >> Yes. >> Although I think you're one block closer. >> So, uh, Maurice Hornblast, nice to see
everyone. Thank you for your time. Um, you know, I was thinking back. I saw the email with the invite and it looked like I presented here a little bit over three years ago. And before that, I was going out uh speaking to people in T-neck uh officials probably a few years before
that. So, I've been a resident here for 20 plus years. Um, you know, I grew up in Angwood, so I literally have lived in this area since, you know, I was a baby. Um, Tene is an incredible community. Um,
I really feel that what we have here with the DPW site is an amazing opportunity. Doesn't really come up that much in most towns. uh just where the location is by the river, the way it cuts out, um the way the topo is um and
also from a resident perspective, I think there's a real need on that side of town where we, you know, I was sitting here, you had three three other applications coming up here. Most of it's further either center of town or on the other side of town. there's really no option um you know for people who
want to either downsize empty nesters get into the community uh divorce aids to really live and thrive on on that side of the woods in terms of just you know being have having another option besides paying for a house and you know housing is very expensive taxes are
expensive um so this is a great opportunity I think for the town of Tene as a resident of Tene and and certainly as a developer um just a little background about our company. Garden Homes is very impressive. I know about them. They're they're huge. Um we're a
little bit different. We're not as big. Uh but we handle big projects. My brother and I started the business. We were actually in the trailer starting as a GC doing our own construction and building single family homes. So, we've really learned the business from ground up, you know, starting with $12,000 and
working our way up. Um, so you know, I've been in the business uh for a long time at this point. I built personally single family homes, track development, townhouse developments, and uh luxury apartments as well. We're extremely
active in Bergen County. Uh we're in Ulta Pan. We built two projects in Hackinack. We have another third project in Hackinack just from scale. The third project's 340 units. The other two combined Hackinack uh uh project was 386
units. We built 120 units in um Old Tapan. We built in Bergenfield. Uh right now we were brought into Richfield Park because for 20 years they were not able to get that project off the ground. I encourage you to call the Richfield Park mayor and ask about us. We're the only
developer to get actually in the ground there. We partner with KBAR Group to help them get that through. Um, we have our own GC company that we only build for ourselves. We don't build for others. So when we design and we discuss with towns plans, concept plans, it's going to get built because we understand
numbers. We understand what we're dealing with. To topo, anything environmental, we understand all that and we're incorporating that into our whole business and making sure that you guys are not wasting your time and we're going to build it and take your vision and build it through. Um, so you know,
we we understand the business. I love Tenek. We're We love Bergen Bergen County. This is a great opportunity. Um and you know, we built in terms of the site. Sorry. >> So, talk to us about the IV Green, the JV, the Hackinack. Obviously, it's very
very similar to >> Yeah. So, that was a public private uh uh development. Uh the town actually owned the site. Uh they sold the site to us. We worked together on the redevelopment plan. We wrote that plan together. We worked on the pilot
together. We worked on um a parking agreement. There was a lot of things that you had to be able to work with with the other side. And you know, there's a different administration there now, but if they were there, I would encourage you to call them. They were encouraging us to keep on going and do another project in town. Um which we're
going to be doing. Um so we we understand public private uh partnerships. We've done it. Um and again, you have to be nimble and you have to be able everyone has to be work together. That's all it is. It's teamwork. And when you on the Ivy Green, you bought the land and then you rebuilt
their parking if I recall. So >> yes, so we we bought the land and we uh rebuilt the parking garage. So if you go there now, uh the first there it's a two-tier deck. The first tier is actually uh the town of I'm sorry, the the city of Hackinack. So we leased it,
we built it for them and we leased it back to them. >> Perfect. Any questions? >> Excellent. Uh I was just one one >> last project in Mitual Park. That's where that was abandoned was supposed to be a thousand units in >> Yeah. So with the bird there was a bird issue. >> That was not us.
>> That's not you didn't do the bird. >> So So essentially um no one's been able to get anything done there. It's a landfill. Uh so we figured out how to do it. Uh we're actually in our first phase, 216 units. We're talking to the town with multiple thousands of units.
Um it was very complicated. We were able to get it done. Um but you know in terms of the concept I'm open to um you know you have the BCUA line. One other thing we've we've dealt with the BCUA in the
past. Um they uh we're the only developer who they allowed us to tap into their sewer line. It was 25 ft below ground in water and muck. Um so we're familiar with that with dealing with them. Um I our concept is mostly a
a multif family development on one side. We're thinking about multif family on the other side, but we're open to also if the town really will require it, we would be open to town homes on the other side of the VCU line. But we do think that multif family is really important because that'll bring more housing. If
you just do uh town homes, you're limiting in terms of the amount of density that you could do there. But again, I I've been in both spaces. I I think ultimately the better use is the multif family at least on one side. >> Other questions?
>> Uh yeah. Are you uh doing the development in uh Little Fairy? >> No. >> No, that's not you. Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. Thank you. >> Good. Good. >> No. >> Okay. Excellent. >> And in terms of the auction, how is that going to work? >> I don't think we know that yet. We're
That's why I mentioned we're just starting that process. And uh I think the reason why Deputy Mayor Organ asked for people to come in is because I've heard from you guys before, but they have not. And that was why. So we're still uh >> we're still trying to figure that out yet. But uh today was the first day of >> Is there a possibility that instead you
could make a decision in terms of who you want to designate as a redeveloper where you work through the purchase price? Because if you do an auction, you're sort of going as a developer, you're going to a black hole. You don't know what's going to be zoned. you don't know if it's ever going to get approved.
You don't know what you're getting and it's very hard to to work that way. Where in Hackinack, they essentially interviewed the developers and picked who they wanted to and then went into an agreement that was binding to the point where both sides had to agree to the terms. If it didn't
work, then both way both ways could part. But this way it's everyone knows what they're getting into versus someone buys an auction, they think one thing and then all of a sudden you're stalled on the whole project from both sides. >> If I could address something uh that I
think is important uh particularly about this particular site. This is municipal land. Um I think that buyin from the community is is is very important. I think environmental um concerns are important. uh easements in terms of, you know, being access to the waterway is is
important. So, um I I I would certainly encourage my colleagues, you know, it's just three of us. They're they're here, but there's there's a total of seven of us that make decisions. Um and yes, we do have, you know, four nodding heads that, you know, pretty much people
default to, but we want to have buyin. We want projects that all stakeholders can be proud of. All stakeholders have a positive um feeling about. So that's >> 100%.
>> But very good points. Very good points. >> Well, thank you for your time. >> Excellent. Jason, you're here. I don't we know everyone in the room, but I don't know. Sorry. I don't know who the gentleman is. I know Jason. I don't know who the >> Yeah. James Mi We came together forformational purposes. middle.
>> And do you come with a box of any any other? No. No more gear. No more >> No, not yet. We're going to wait for >> We'll wait for you to go get your car. >> Tell you what to do. That's right. Exactly. >> And he's fixing Eric Organ's jacket ASAP. >> Oh, um
>> one quick question. Any thoughts on retail at this location or thinking certainly residential? So my my answer is it's an entirely residential area with um one way what with a road that's only one lane each direction and a
county road on a riverfront. So I I also believe we have quite a bit of retail in town that needs people not more space you know and I've always I've always believe that we need we already have the retail spots we need to fill it with the people. >> Is there going to be an affordable
component? Abs. Um, yes. I think by law it has Yeah, by law the new law, Mike, are called is 20% into is a new law. Absolutely. >> And your town homes that you delivered that with that were very interesting design. >> Um, I believe you know Miss Belchure from that design actually if you go back
with her on that. Um, and it was a very interesting design. I'm just uh other than the steep set of stairs that we liked it but that's how you got it and so it worked. >> Um, I'm free on the 12th. >> Free on the 12th. Okay. So, can we lock in the 12th? right here. If you don't mind at 12 8 Did you want to do it
earlier now that you're free or you're free at 8:00? >> I think 8 might be better for the people in the community. >> Okay. So, let's lock in 512 8:00. Let's put it in stone here and we'll go for it. >> Yes. So, >> can we come
out of concept >> that this is a community that that date is not the next meeting? >> No. The next >> Yes. >> Yeah. I don't think we have we didn't set a meeting date. Do you want to look at the calendar? Are there other things to to set another meeting for yet that you have coming down the pipeline? >> If we set another meeting, we'll find things to talk about.
>> Got it. So, let's look at our calendars and thank you for bringing it up. Let's look. We usually do about five or so weeks out, but 22nd's a holiday. 29th. Does 29th work? I know you don't have it yet. >> 29th. >> That That's uh Memorial Day weekend. >> Before. >> No, no, it's weekend before.
>> Okay. >> The 29th is not Memorial Day. >> Shos, I think, is the 29th. >> One second. Hold on. I don't believe so, but I could be wrong. One second. >> No. What is Memorial Day for? >> Yeah. >> The 31st.
>> No, the Memorial Day is the last Monday in May. That Monday is the 1st, so it can't be. >> It's the >> Yeah. >> Okay. 25th. Okay. >> So, the 29th 20th 20th. Okay. 29th 8:30. and we'll start with you on the agenda. >> Sure.
>> Okay. >> Now, don't come back to studios. >> Okay. And and m uh Mr. Mayor, uh I just want to encourage that I I didn't quite see that email about the invitation from uh developers. Did you send that to me as well? >> I have no emails. I didn't say that. >> Okay. What you were saying about the uh
inviting for the develop how people knew to show up here. >> I think I called them. I'll let >> Yeah. Because I I do have some developers that I I think would want to be here as well. So if if it's at the next meeting >> No, no, no. I don't think No, no. But for his, I don't think so. We can discuss it if we want to put this on.
That's not a bad idea. >> Yeah. I I think so because I think we want to hear from >> fine. We'll make that formal. We'll discuss that at the community meeting. The next meeting that I like that developers meeting the next meeting and bring their concept. >> Correct. This was informal. I told these guys, "Hey, show up." >> Exactly. So I didn't know that you were
inviting people. >> Okay. Uh we will adjourn it then. Okay. Yes. Action. Thank you. Oh,