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Hey, Good evening to everybody and for those of you who were at the meeting of for our community redevelopment agency, welcome back. Um, welcome to the June 2nd meeting of the Temple Terrace City Council. It's nice to see everybody and I'd like to remind everybody to please

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make sure that your cell phones are silenced. And if you would please stand and join me for the invocation and the pledge. Lord, may your face continue to shine upon our city and its residents. May we make sound decisions and always

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govern towards the common good of all. We pray for those who are sick or suffering in our community. Wrap them in your comfort and hold them up with our support. Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you everybody. And I know we have some people that don't normally attend our council meetings, although I'm sure you're hooked at this point. You'll all

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be coming back now. But um we do have a a tradition here at Temple Terrace that whereby we begin each council meeting with a interesting or historical fact or little known fact about our city or the region. And tonight that duty falls upon council member Fernandez.

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>> Thank you. I'd like to welcome everyone here tonight. And the topic for my historic fact is one of the oldest buildings in Temple Terrace. And I I see a lot of people concerned with maybe some of our historic buildings haven't

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been preserved and they get upset with the city for not preserving them. But I want everybody to understand the only historic building that the city actually owns would be the Woodmont Clubhouse which was the former stable of Bertha Palmer. Every all of our other historic

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properties are privately owned. And I'd like to invite Pastor Felen up to talk about one of the oldest buildings that is privately owned. >> Which way do you want me to face? >> Right there. Just like that.

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>> And let me know when you want any of the pictures up. >> Okay. I'm going to try to condense 88 years into six minutes. >> So I want you to know that our church, we're the oldest church in Temple Terrace. We're the original church. We

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were founded in 19 uh 8 1937 by five pioneer temple terrace families and they were uh Tom and Ethel Curitan, Bass and Chris Clifford Richardson, Marcus and Eloise Peterson, Harry and

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Ruth Roller, and Frank and Corin Smith. And the reason our church was founded, Temple Terrace had a casino where liquor and gambling flourished. And we did not

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have a church. People in Temple Terrace drove into Tampa to go to church. We were in the Great Depression. Just as a reminder, gasoline in 1937 was between 16 and 20 cents a gallon.

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That sounds great for us today. It's equivalent to us today to being $5 a gallon. And so people didn't have enough money to drive into Tampa to go to church. And these five families all had

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daughters and they were concerned about their future. And so we were founded originally as a Bible study and church school. And we taught Bible study and church school. And the public school, which had a little red schoolhouse at

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the time, actually met in our facility. We are the little dome chapel. We're the last building, the last oldest building in town for humans, and it is our full intention to continue to take care of it. Just to let you know, the building

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itself is built out of coina shell stucco. And that's great when you're you're not airond conditioned, but eventually we got to a point where we were air conditioned and it sucks the moisture

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and humidity through the walls. And so we coated it with a stucco and subsequently we coated it with rubber. And so the whole building has got a 3/8 inch coating of rubber that keeps the

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moisture out. Uh we were founded as a non-denominational church. Three of those families were Protestants, one was Catholic. The fifth was supposedly Jewish. and that family

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owned the lumber yard. The lumber yard was at uh Bush Boulevard or what's now Bush Boulevard and Nebraska Avenue. The reason I mentioned that is if you come and visit me, we still have some pews that were bought brought to the church

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in lumber and a buck buckboard wagon pulled by a mule. And our church members built those original pews. They're still there. We subsequently do have some uh padded pews.

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Our church foundation is that we will celebrate the things that we hold in common and we will not fight about our differences. And that is the basis for our church. And uh for all of you who go

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to church, I pray that we all are always going to be on board with not fighting in church. Church fighting has caused an awful lot of disruption such that Christianity in America is declining where it is growing

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faster in the China and in Africa and in South America than it is in the United States. We're going to do our best to keep it up. We're a a long-term traditional old style church. We sing

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old pew, I mean old hymns out of the in in pews. We do not have any Wi-Fi in the church. We do not allow the phones to be on in the church. Uh we do have excellent Wi-Fi in our classrooms

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uh and big screen TVs, but not in the church. And uh I am thankful that we are still there after 88 years. I have been here 28 years. I never thought when I came that I'd be here this long, but I

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am thankful that we are having the opportunity to continue to grow even and thrive. It brings me joy that we have children and we have some young families and uh we're looking forward to a future

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along with you. And let me ask Brian to bring up the older the picture that is an older view of the sir. >> And that's that's one of the original >> that's the original church with the stucco made out of coina shells and very

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elaborate uh uh towel work over the doors. That is all still there, but it is covered in a new stucco and the rubber coating. And then also just let people know that this building has been

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repurposed because it started off as the original sales building for Temple Terrace Estates. And it it's just an example of you don't have to tear something down, you can use it again. And it's had a very long life as the

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Temple Terrace Community Church now. And we still have that building. >> Yeah. The building is 106 years old, but uh we are very thankful that we're still there. And uh it did start out as a sales office, not as a church. Uh it did

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not become a church until 19 basically 38, 39 or 40. We were chartered as a church in 1941. If you have any questions, please come talk to me. I know a lot more history

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about it and I'm more than willing to share it, but I know that you've got other things on your agenda and I really appreciate the clean water myself. Uh next door to our our chapel building is your old city wells and I want you to

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know the water coming out of those wells was rainwater 40,000 years ago and I'm pretty sure there weren't any PAFS in it. Uh so somehow along the way we've introduced things but I'm looking forward to you guys solving that problem

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and I thank you for the opportunity. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> So next up is the employee of the month for April. Uh we have Eric Garcia M Medina is here. Please come on up Eric.

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It's good to see you. >> Thank you. So, this is always like the highlight of the council meeting. Always goes down from here. So, um, Eric Garcia Medina is being recognized as the employee of the

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month for April. Uh, Eric's redefined what it means to be a maintenance attendant at the family recreation complex. His attention to detail and the pace at which he works without sacrificing quality has set a new standard for his position. staff regularly receives compliments

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from members and residents about Eric. He not only keeps up with his regular duties and responsibilities, but he takes initiative to find special projects or other areas of of improvement additional to his assigned duties. He's taken the initiative.

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He has taken an issue with projects such as cleaning up the lightfoot courtyard, improving the space for senior events, regularly blowing leaves off the family recreational complex parking lot and sidewalks along Whiteway, landscaping and tree work around the family complex,

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removing invasive plants at Woodmont Park, repairing the tennis shade structure, and cleaning and painting the youth's program picnic tables, and much, much more. Eric not only goes out of his way at work, but his willingness to help others is also exhibited while not at

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work. The other day, a family complex staff member was at Home Depot and witnessed Eric assisting an elderly woman load pallets of sod into her vehicle. Acts like the acts like this reflect his caring nature and willingness to lend a

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hand wherever it's needed. Eric is truly a special type person. He is someone who leads with kindness, takes initiative, and makes a positive difference in the lives of those around him. Congratulations, Eric, for being selected as the April employee of the month. And would you like to say a few

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words? YEAH. >> FIRST, I have to say thank you God because I'm here today. Thank you guys for giving me the opportunity to also have to say thank you to Cy Phil car. Thank you so much for everything for giving me the opportunity.

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>> Well, thank thank you for everything you do for the city. So, how long have you been with us? >> Almost uh past a year already now. >> Past a year. >> I was here before almost two year and I left and I come back again. That was the best work I did. Left to the state. >> Where'd you go?

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>> I go back to Bush Garden. >> Oh, okay. >> So, and then my wife said, "No, you better sign the application back to the city and say you're right. >> You're back." >> And she was right. >> We're very happy. I got 35 years. So

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>> very happy that you're back and I guess we have to thank you for that. So thank you. >> Thank you. Okay, we're good. We're official now. >> Stand up here so we can get a good picture.

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>> All right. Three, two, one. Thank you. to reset my password, can't you? >> I have to >> and I just set it to the same thing. >> Okay. Um, we do have one a board appointment. The board of adjustment has

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an a vacancy for an alternate member. Um, two alternate member vacancies on the board. We received one application uh from Martha La Husky. Is Miss Mahusky here? I don't see anybody. Um if acceptable,

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council, is there a motion to appoint Martha La Husky to as an alternate to the B the BOA? Uh yes. uh move to approve uh uh Martha La Husky to the board of adjustment as an alternate member for um appointment

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from June 2, 2026 to June 2nd, 2028. >> Second. >> Good. Is there discussion? If not, all those in favor say I. >> I oppose. No names. Thank you for your service, Mr. Mr. Husky. Uh council, if

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everybody has an opportunity to review our minutes from our May 19th city council meeting, is there a motion to approve? >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Is there any Are there any corrections or amendments to the minutes? Seeing none, all those in favor say I.

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>> I. >> I. Opposed? No. The minutes are adopted. persons wishing to be heard on items not listed on the agenda or on the items on the consent agenda. We do have requests to address the council on the little

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table in the back of the room. We do ask that all speakers speak from the podiums and begin with your name and city of residence. We uh do have a third a threeminut time limit for each speaker. And we like to assure everybody that your comments and concerns are making

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are made note of by the city manager and staff and and we do follow up on them. And so I currently only have one request to speak, but you still have time. If you'd like to address the council, please fill out a form provided to the city clerk. Uh Mr. Lo, you are

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recognized. uh Charles Lo Terrace Park and tonight I want to talk about something and I know you all have a lot on your plate but I want to give you one more item I don't want you to forget about but it doesn't have to be done right this minute and that is about uh never forget Telecom

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Park uh what went on there I have been thinking about that ever since uh May 19th what I said about that to me what happened to your air actually is worse than what happened to your water

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because the water was more generally spread. Now, in the newspaper, it said something like uh that the that they have to toughen the regulations because the regulations are too difficult to uh for the contractors to deal with.

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Strange though, they must not think we're very intelligent in the newspaper or or the EPA. Why do I say that? because of the fact that uh only one contractor in one this community plus one other community was not able to deal

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with the regulations somehow. I do not think that makes it generally tougher. Uh I remember reading in the paper that the fine was $30,000. As far as I'm concerned, that might as well have been 30. Considering the blatant action of

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that nature, I would have fined him $30 million and even thought about adding a zero or two to that to be very frank with you all. Um, and anyway, the long and the short of it is I think the city council should invite the EPA here. We

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should I would love to be the first to tell them that the next time that their miscalculations uh mess up your water or your air that they should start finding money from the United States Treasury rather than from the public and local communities and not just here but any other place and I

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think it's about time to be set. I do not want anybody to view myself as unfair. I would like to hear what the EPA would have wants to say uh from either for both the water or the airourse. might be separate people, but you know, it it might be rather

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interesting not just to me, but to other people. Perhaps it would be interesting to know to be listed in the Beacon or even in the Tampa Bay Times. Thank you and good evening. Are there other members of the public who wish to adjust the council?

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Okay, seeing none, we will move into public hearings. And the first item is a resolution approving supervisory control and data acquisition otherwise known as SCADA phase 1 water treatment system modernization project

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and our public works director Jason Warrenfield will explain. Good evening sir. Even mayor city council tonight I bring before you a resolution seeking authorization for phase one of the city's SCADA water treatment system modernization project with data flow

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systems. The city's water and wastewater operation operations rely on SCADA systems to monitor control the treatment plants, wells, booster stations, pump stations, and our lift stations. Portions of the existing system have reached the end of life and they require replacement. Phase one will upgrade the

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portable water components to increase system reliability, operational resilience, include real-time monitoring and control, replaces obsolete equipment, and enhances our cyber security. This upgrade will create a scalable platform for future utility needs and system improvements. The

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funding for this $200,000 was funded in the FY26 budget from the water and sewer utility budget. The $178,890 additional will come from the water and sewer utility contingency reserves. That's all.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Warren Phillips. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item? Council members questions. >> Yes. >> Council member Fernando. >> So obviously, you know, we've had a lot of discussion about the water treatment

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plant renewal, replacement, upgrades, etc. And if we have not decided on a project for that, but how does this particular capital improvement relate to what might

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need to be done? or if we choose not to renew that project, how does this factor in? >> So, this system is was required a necessity for upgrade prior to that master plan. So in

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if the city chooses to accept CHA's proposal to replace and renew our current system, obviously this plays a large part in if they don't and the connection point is with another utility if that's feasible. We still need these systems to monitor our well systems, our

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pump station. I'm sorry, not wells, the pump stations, our lift stations for sewer. We still have to be able to control our assets. Okay. So, this I I just want everybody I I just want to be clear. This is not a redundant project depending on what the city decides with

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the water treatment project, but it's also not an unnecessary project if if we move forward with one of those variations. >> Correct. Yeah, this is needed regardless. So, um this has a short um kickoff time. So we were able we are

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able to because we currently have some Badger components we are able to integrate those into our uh to the new systems. Um the other piece of this is when we know we move to the new building some of the age components in the old building cannot transfer over um with ease to the new building. This will

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allow us to do that um through the increased cyber security measures. >> Thank you. >> Other questions council members? Council member Kravitz. Um, if we buy this system, we need to operate infrastructure on our end

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in an event where we connect to Tampa or the Hills Hillsboro County system, we'd still need this to regulate all of our infrastructure. Is that also true? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. Just Thank you. That's all. >> Other questions, council members? >> Okay. If there are no other questions,

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is there a motion? Move to approve the res expenditure $378,8980 for for sole source vendor data flow systems for the upgraded supervisor control and data acquisition also known as SCA phase one water treatment system

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modernization project >> second >> motion second is there discussion council members >> if not all those in favor say I >> I opposed no nays resolution is adopted thank you Mr. Warren Fields.

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>> Next, we have a second public hearing and second reading of ordinance 1596 amending the capital improvements section objectives and policy CPA25-01. I'll open the public hearing and Katrina Corkran from the planning commission is

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here to explain. Good evening. >> Good evening. I have a presentation which will hopefully be on the screen in a moment, but Katrina Corkran, planning commission staff again. I'm here to present TTCPA 251. This is a text amendment for the capital improvement

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section policies 1.1.1 and 1.1.3. >> Okay. Um, some background on this request. This is a publicly initiated text amendment. It removes outdated language um that is outdated due to not being in line with current state statutes. There's also a policy addition to the capital improvement section as a

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part of this amendment. Um, and that some more background on this request is that uh some of the language they we are removing includes the 15-year multimmoal transportation program, the annual LOS report, and the concurrency management report. This slide shows a strikethrough

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underline of the existing policy language. Uh, you can see the removal of the multimotal transportation program, the annual LOS report, and the concurrency management report. One thing I'd like to note with this with level of service or LOS, the Temple Terrace Comprehensive Plan still retains those levels of service. We're just removing

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this component um because it's not in line with state statute. Additionally, we have a capital improvements policy 1.1.10, uh which is a policy addition that indicates that the city can continue their 15-year multimotal transportation program um for long range planning and

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coordination with uh regional partners. So, that's still in there to continue that multimotal transportation program. is just no longer tied to the planning commission's review of the capital improvements program. In terms of agency comments, uh we heard from Hillsboro County Departments,

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Hillsboro County Public Schools, and we coordinated closely with Temple Terrace staff. We received no objections to this amendment. In terms of the consistency review, the proposed request was consistent with the objectives and policies that you see listed here on this slide um from the

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capital improvements section. And with that, the planning commission found TTCPA 251 consistent with the goals, objectives, and policies of the Temple Terrace Comprehensive Plan. Uh, this was heard back in April and it was transmitted to the state for review. Uh, we have heard back from the state and

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regional agencies and they have no comments or concerns related to this amendment. So, with that, this is uh open to your consideration for adoption this evening. This concludes my presentation. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Corkrone. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item?

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Seeing none, council members, are there questions from Miss Corker? I don't see any. Thank you. Okay. If that's the case, I will close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance. An ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, amending the imagine

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2040 Temple Terrace comprehensive plan capital improvements section objectives and policy providing severability providing for correction of typographical errors, repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in

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conflict here with providing for codification providing for an effective date. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Council, is there a motion? Move to approve on second hearing and second reading ordinance 1596 amending the capital improvement section objectives and

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policy CPA-25-01. >> Second. >> Uh we have a motion and a second. I heard the vice mayor first. Uh is there discussion of the motion? Not all those in favor say I. >> I opposed. >> Amazdance is adopted on second reading.

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Thank you. Council business. Uh Council Member Fernandez, I think you had something. >> I do. Um when we were discussing the water treatment uh at the town hall meeting and at the council meeting when the report was first presented, we had

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some discussion about a potential interim action that we could take that would reduce the PAS level ahead of any construction. Is that is that something that is feasible and that we could put

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into place uh soon? >> So, um Mr. Mayor, is okay if I >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, so we are uh we are looking at that. Um uh we have the team looking at it. There's some obviously some costs

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associated with that and additional costs because I believe if we were to do a short-term interim solution, it would probably um and tell me if I'm going off course here. I think we're probably looking at some sort of granulated activated carbon as an interim solution, it will require because of the the

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heaviness of our the hardness of our excuse me, it may require us to change out that filtration those that granular activated carbon more frequently than you typically would. That's one of the analyses that was done as part of the overall long-term solution. So, we're

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just trying to quantify that and make sure that if that is an option, when we can get it, where we would put it, how much it would cost, and bring all that information back to the city council. >> Okay. And so, do you have I know it's a work in progress, but do you have an estimate of when we might be discussing

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that? Um, so I I believe it suggested an August workshop for the city council where we could we could address a lot of these issues. So that that's what before then or by then is when we'd probably have a scenario for you and and get some better direction as to next steps.

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>> Okay. Thank you, >> Council Member Schuster. >> Yes. So I had a similar question was one one I had two questions. One was uh you answered for for Council Member Fernandez. My second one is uh um any status I know you briefed us last week

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but any any additional information on the uh interlocal uh connectivity with other water sources. Any any updates for that? >> So we have we have gotten a a mind you this is at the staff level. So we have gotten a a verbal no from the city of

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Tampa staff. Uh we were asking for it in writing. So uh we don't have it yet in writing u but we've asked for that. uh with the county. We're still exploring uh the issues with the county. The county is looking at their provider of water, Tampa Bay Water, to get

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confirmation from Tampa Bay Water that they could in fact act as a a reseller and actually increase their allocation of water and then resell the water to the city. So, they're trying to get that confirmation from Tampa Bay Water. That that's just one step. If they can get that confirmation, there's still the other calculus we have to go through

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with connections and disinfectant products and the impacts of that and everything else. So, we're working through all that, too. And we're going to have the information back to the city council. >> I'm sorry. >> And we we also plan to bring that information back to the city council. >> That that was that was the second part of my question. That that's the plan is

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to bring everything back to the council for that meeting. Perfect. Thank you very much. >> U this is just for the sake of formality. I said that I would do this at the town hall and I think it's given the priority of the issue that it should be officially on the record as a directive. So, I'd like to make a motion that we officially as the city council

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direct staff to explore the connection options and get nos or yeses from whoever it may be, specifically Tampa and Hillsboro County, and also uh explore a temporary filtration option and uh to obtain a plan for that or

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develop one as quickly as possible. >> Have a motion. Do we have a second? >> Do we need a motion to ask staff to do that? Is that a like procedurally is that a requirement? That's a member that's a matter of opinion. >> So, just to illustrate, the temporary

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filtration option costs $3 million a year potentially. The U reaching out to other entities to get yeses or nos from their water systems is something that will be much more seriously considered if we as city council have voted on it

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and approved that behavior. I think so. In my mind, this is exactly the sort of thing that we should all take responsibility for and also support our staff with and also put that on the record so that our citizens know that we've actually made a decision at the highest level of the city on both of

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these topics that we're saying yes to exploring a filtration option and that we're saying yes to exploring the other two connection options that we might have on the table. >> I mean, I'll second this. I I was going to request staff to do it. So, This doesn't have to be a big deal.

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>> Oh, yes it does. Is there discussion of the motion sorted out? >> Is there discussion of the motion? >> Sure. Um, >> I thought we did this. You know, we we've instructed staff. They've been working on it. I don't see why we need a

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motion. We can certainly do a motion, but we we don't need one. We've instructed staff. They're on it. Uh, at least this motion doesn't have a timeline on it, which is sometimes what I disagree with with some of the short timelines. So,

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we could have been done and moving on, but we have this. So, >> council member Scher, >> I really don't care to be a part of any kind of new emails and I'm against her for anything with Christmas or whatever. So, I just we don't need to do this C.

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They've already said what they're going to do. The council has gone to great lengths to uh discuss this with with staff. They know what we're doing. They know where we're trying to go and it the public the public understands that we're

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ju this is just grandstanding. >> Yeah. I I'm not going to support this. I'm probably going to be on the losing end like I was. I know the mayor Andrew is the Grinch doesn't vote it against Christmas. We give direction to the staff. We treat them like adults.

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They've already made some of the They've already done some of this work. So, tomorrow you get to take credit in your newsletter that you made the motion. Mayor Andrew and and Scrooge Gil voted against it, but I'm not voting in favor

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of this and treating our staff like children. So, and I wish it hadn't been seconded. >> To begin with, I I don't I this is my thought process with seconding this. I do not believe that I'm treating staff like children because I've already

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asked. They already know the direction I'm requesting. I believe it sends a message to other people who might be watching other jurisdictions who know that city council is serious about it. That's all that's my direct that's my reason for seconding.

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>> Okay. I'd like to have a point of personal privilege if I may. >> Council member Kravitz. So the way that this body acts is by making motions and passing them, not by just telling staff things as an individual. And that's all we have right now is that staff has been told individually by city council

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members to go and do this or the other thing. There hasn't been a formal vote. The way that government is supposed to operate is that we make decisions together. And that's what I'm inviting all of you to do right now. So if everyone agrees with this course of action, vote 50 and move on. No one is

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making you take any votes that you don't want to take. This is how government is supposed to work. We take votes. We make motions. We pass them or not. And then staff executes on that. We do not govern by making informal suggestions behind closed doors or otherwise to staff. So

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that's all this is. No one is grandstanding. I'm just creating the legal basis for us to proceed with the filtration solution and with the exploration of connection to other entities. That's all it is. So if everyone is in agreement, vote yes. Move on. I'm going to vote yes. Everyone can vote their conscience. If you think that

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this is a bad thing, then vote no. >> That's where I have a problem. It's not a bad thing. It's the process. The process doesn't need to happen. >> We don't need to take a vote. >> And well, we have to take a vote. We have a motion. But we would be taking a vote and making a motion when the

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information is brought back to us, which is what we just talked about. They're going to bring back the information to us >> in August. >> We'll vote on that then. >> And then we will vote on it then. >> Yes. So, this is just all about you saying I made this motion and I and

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everybody else was. So, anyway, >> I don't appreciate the personal attacks. Really? >> Well, I don't appreciate the grandstanding either. >> No one is grandstanding. >> Yes, you are. >> Yes, you are. >> Back. >> What? >> You want to walk that back? Because I think that is a breach of decorum that

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you once ded for. You are personally attacking me right now. All I've done is make a motion, which is literally how this government is. >> And since when are you so concerned about decorum? I've always been concerned about decorum. >> Okay, >> council. All those in favor of the motion >> before the vote, I just got to say the

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same thing. This this does have shades of last December. And I agree we could vote 50, 43, 41, 32, 23, all that. Whether we vote this up or

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down, the staff's still going to do what the staff does. And yes, there could be some grandstanding or there could be sending a good message. I don't know. I you know, but anyway, I just had to say that I I I just feel that if it goes the

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way I think it goes and a couple people or three people vote no, I don't want to hear that we don't want to do interim stuff and we don't want to consider hooking up. It's just the procedure we're voting for or against.

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>> I'm sorry. Did that make it clear? >> Council member, >> I just want to ask a question. What I just heard is that if we vote this down 3 to two, staff is still going to do the thing that we literally just voted against. How is that functional?

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Isn't this what we're elected to do is to make motions and take votes on these kinds of topics? You're saying that it doesn't matter how we vote. staff is going to do something that we just voted three against two or four against one not to do. >> Right. Just one more attempt at it. My

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my thing is well over in the year years and in our council policies, we can direct staff like we've done on many different things like we've done here without a motion. >> Where does it say that? You have to have a motion. You can't just issue the

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command staff as council member or vice mayor James Chambers to go and get a $3 million a year filtration solution. >> Did I say that? No. If council the council as a group agrees that they want staff to do something, they can

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simply do it as agreeing on the DS to get them to do something and issue a report. We're not taking any action to buy anything tonight or anything. You're just you're you're anyway. Okay. So, I'm going to say this again. I will support it like I did before, not to get my name

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in a newsletter, but just to get this over with. The staff's going to do it one way or the other. >> Everyone up here, >> and I'm sorry. I'm sorry to anybody else that may say no, but I just want to get this over with. >> Everyone up there should do their job. That's my position on this, plain and

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simple. Do it job. Do it the right way, the way that the procedural rules provide for it. Not by nodding your head, not by giving informal instructions. By putting your name on the record and taking a vote, yes or no, about where you stand. That's how this works. That's government.

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>> Are we done, >> please? Yes. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Opposed? >> Okay. Can we move on, please? So, we have proposals for the sale of two properties.

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>> Point of order, sir. Um, we still have new business and board reports, I believe. >> I'm sorry. You're correct. Uh, new business and board reports. >> Well, that's where we are, but did you have a new business report? Okay. I'm sorry, council member. >> Absolutely. I do have one item. Um, so

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there has been an issue with the chairman of the Riverwatch task force and uh, as a result, I'm going to make a motion to remove me Lewis as the chair of the Riverwatch task force effective immediately and that we should open up the resulting vacancy and advertise it

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in the ordinary course. The reason why is that he has been indicted by a federal uh grand jury in the middle district of Florida on a felony indictment charging him with five counts of wire fraud arising from allegations that he defrauded investors of more than $7 million and applied a

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portion of those funds to his personal use. Uh I don't want to make any comment here on his presumption of innocence which he's fully entitled to under the law. Nothing in this motion presumes the outcome of his case. The city council, however, I think owes the citizens of Temple Terrace assurance that those who

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serve in its advisory bodies do so under no cloud that would impair faith in their work. And I don't think that a pending federal felony indictment of this nature is compatible with that. >> There's a motion. Is there a second? >> I'll second.

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>> Any discussion of the motion? >> Not of the motion. I have questions of staff after the vote. Okay. All those in favor say I. I >> I >> opposed. No nazs, >> vice mayor.

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>> Thank you. Um, does the Riverwatch task force have a uh dedicated vice chair? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, that Sorry. >> Yes. Yes, he does. Uh, yes, there is. And, uh, I'm sure he'll be advised by

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the, uh, city clerk. >> Okay. Thank you. That's all I want to do. >> Okay. Very good. Any other new business besides what's on the agenda? Okay. Uh we have considerations of development proposals for 8901

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North 56 Street. This is the north parcel of property. Um, for those members of the public joining us or tuning in online, we had a community redevelopment agency meeting at 3:30 um to run through these proposals for

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8901 and also the other parcel at 8447 which will be the next agenda item. Uh, we had um pretty detailed um presentations by for concerning each of the proposals. We're going to run through those again because there are

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members of the public here and members viewing who may not have been uh viewing the CRA meeting. Uh however, I would ask the presenters to um you know, you did a great job before we asked you to contain it to 10 minutes and everybody did a wonderful job. Thank you for that. Um in

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this case, we could even cut it down even more. Just not the project, just in terms of like your development history and your prof the company profiles and stuff like that. We could probably cut that down. We and focus on the the proposals and the projects themselves if

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that makes sense to you. So, um I'd like to ask our broker, Mr. Lochner, to come up and kick the ball out. >> Sure. Good evening. Uh my name is John Lochner. I work for Florida Commercial Property Brokerage and want to introduce

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uh the offers for 8901. Uh, we had four offers. TMA Investment Group LLC, Enigma Events LLC, Fountain Square IT LLC, and Albby Properties LLC. The order of the presentations,

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uh, these will be this will be the order of the presentations. This was the order that we received the official proposals during the window. Excuse me. During the public notice offer window, which was 36 to April 6, 2026,

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uh like to introduce TMA Investments up first. >> This matter is going. >> Mayor, I have a question. >> Yes. >> What is with this thing in July? Just one moment, sir. >> Do you the 10 minutes?

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>> Yes. Okay. >> Thank you. The project Welcome back sir. >> Should thank you sir. Uh should I get the light? Yes. >> Yes. >> Should I introduce ourself and how you guys do this?

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>> Pardon me. >> Introduce ourself my company. >> Okay. TMA is a uh my name is ati. I uh own a bunch of companies construction environmental development and we have a

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team of three partners interested in doing the projects that uh mentioned by John two of them which is one in uh north I don't know which what we have the number in that one >> 8901 >> 8901 that's the uh the one by uh on 56th

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street the other one is the one close to the river I'm just going to let Malad say you know us briefly what it is, what's going to be uh and I think that will be it. It's the same thing pretty much. Just do it again. >> Sure. >> Thank you.

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>> Okay. So, that's going to be 8901 north of 56th Street. Right. This uh project is going to be a development of uh retail spaces. Um the

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way we design it is to be uh 10 stores like flex spaces um overall between 1,300 square foot to 25 or maybe no 1500 foot to 2300 foot each. Again it's going to be flex

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spaces. So do use Am I okay? >> You're fine. Thank you. Just make sure you have the >> Oh yeah, I do. I do. Oh yeah, sure. And keep going. Um so yeah it's going to going to be a flex spaces means that the tenant they're not going to be entitled to

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occupy the exact square footage that has been built. It could be you know um uh a flexibility on square footages. Now this project is intended to have again retails and restaurants and uh to serve

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the community. There is a unique feature of it I mean unique to the temple teras u like buildings or or stores or commercials which is the rooftop. The rooftop will

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be used by the stores tenants, restaurants or retails whichever going to make allow them to have some venues or some private events or just like some you know u gathering.

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um to bring again the temple community together and have that nice night view especially at night time are in Florida it's it's most of the the year it's beautifully uh neither either daytime or or night time

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so this will have um enough sufficient parking spaces the parking space is 100% ADA uh compliance we have EV chargers Again uh also on that parking space we accounted for this for generators in

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case of you know electricity shortages or energy shortage and uh dumpsters for um you know uh maintenance. So the circulation has been thoughtfully um uh planned and designed this way. The

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pedestrians of course it has been also into uh incorporated into the design from A to Z means from the facade that facing the 56th street or avenue and also on the parking lot with some

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outside seating areas. Uh that's the that's the view from the street from the 59 56th street and um that's the view from the parking lot on the storefront. Now all of this again as I said it's

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been thoughtfully designed the the square footage of the of the offices or I mean stores and the parking also spots. That's the rooftop. And by the way, this uh building and the

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other one also has an elevator has been designed to have an elevator and the stairs for evacuation and for exit also complying with all Florida building codes safety. That's those are the elevations. I want

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to point something that we are also complying with the zoning code. So the stores are 25 ft height. The rooftop starts at 3 ft higher which is 28 and

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the whole building is at 40 ft height. That's uh the placement of the lot which is very friendly community like u convenient. So we have the building apartments across street when

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we have the other plaza on the left and across the big 56th Avenue there is another commercial area. Now the key highlights of this project is has been thoughtful site plan um designed with central parking and clear

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circulation as I stated already outdoor ceiling and active frontage to enhance user experience. Signature rooftop um for dining experience at a unique open air destination space. Strong investment potential with created tenant mix and

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designed to support economic growth and community engagement. the partners they have like a very strong uh background on commercial construction, retails, telecommunications and I believe this diversity of their

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knowledge and experiences is bringing also a diversity of the kind of talent that they cannot occupy those spaces and also how to manage it. Those are example of of the tenants that are already like in in communication with

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them and potentially maybe the the the tenants. I want also to mention as before that 5% of the net income from this building or this project is going to be used by city

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of temple teras for any future development or to any kind of you know maintenance or management the way you guys I mean and the city of temple teras is very welcome to uh spend it the way they see it wisely helping the

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And that's going to be as long as those uh partners are the proper uh like the the proper uh developer of this uh building or this project which is at least for 10 years which brings some

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numbers of $600,000 per 10 years time two means two project. Okay, that's uh again I pretty much that that is it. So I want to just emphasize something about the architectural aspect. So the CRA has a book, a design

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book to go with and we believe that we design it to the tea on that book like complying with every single requirement and code starting from the Meditaran modern Mediterranean uh design language

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to uh the pedestrian to uh the green spaces to the open u circulation between plazas and between areas surrounding um the like we took really care of like

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all of this aspect. Uh I already like mentioned this I believe so or or maybe on my on on the on the file that we are also trying to make it being energy efficient. So that's going to be later on on the design and I will work it with

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uh my team and myself will work this with the the Siri U reviewers >> and I believe I'm good. >> Thank you for thank you for listening. >> Thank you TMA Investments Enigma events. >> Finally evening. So good evening

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everybody and uh as uh my name is uh Baba Singh and we are the developers of uh the Enigma Plaza uh which is in Temple Terrace. Um thank you all for acknowledging it. It is that it is the light of the Temple terrace. I'm really

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grateful for that. We have a small video that we will be presenting for uh ease. don't just look at a map and see parcels of land. We see the stories of the people who live there. Our mission has always been to take underutilized

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spaces, the quiet corners of a city, and transform them into vibrant, highquality destinations that actually add value to the community's daily life. You've already seen our commitment to Temple Terrace. We are the team behind Enigma Plaza. As many of you know, that wasn't

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an easy road. We navigated the height of the pandemic, supply chain meltdowns, and the sudden loss of our lead engineer. But we didn't walk away. We pushed through because we believed in the vision of a Mediterranean style destination for our downtown core. And

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we delivered. Our investment in this city is growing. From our upcoming mixeduse site at River Hills and 56th to our 57 unit resortstyle community and our riverfront food truck park near the Hillsboro Bridge, we are fully allin on

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Temple Terrace. Today we're here to talk about 8901 North 56th Street. We are proposing an acquisition price of 1,260,000 to bring to life a landmark project we call social at 56th.

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This isn't just another retail strip. It's a 30,000 ft urban ecosystem. We've designed it to be a third space. That place between home and work where people actually want to gather. The culinary experience. Instead of standard fast

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food, we're bringing in a global food hall with artisan vendors and a central craft bar that serves both indoor and outdoor guests. The rooftop. We're planning an intimate rooftop lounge for sunsets and private events. A sophisticated escape right in

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the heart of downtown. The stadium vibe. The heartbeat of the project is a massive state-of-the-art outdoor projection screen. Imagine the community coming together for a Bucks game, a family movie night under the stars, or local gaming tournaments.

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Family connection. Most importantly, we've designed this to be safe. We want parents to be able to enjoy a meal or a drink while their children play in dedicated visible areas. It's about connection. We want to move fast. We're looking at a

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60-day preliminary due diligence followed by a 120day secondary period. Our goal is to have site plans in your hands within the first 90 days, giving city staff ample time to review. Once we close, we expect to break ground within

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2 months with a total construction timeline of 12 to 16 months. To make this happen, we're looking for a partnership with the city. Specifically, we're asking for landscape flexibility. Our Mediterranean design uses a lot of

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palms. We'd like to work with you on tree mitigation to keep that aesthetic consistent. Parking and space. We're already providing over 200 spaces, well above the requirement, but we may ask for flexibility to ensure our outdoor dining

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and public plazas are as vibrant as possible. Priority review. Because of the scale and the moving parts, we're requesting a streamlined, prioritized review process to keep this project's momentum on track. Social at 56th is designed to be

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the definitive heart of Temple Terrace. It balances family-friendly recreation with upscale night life, creating a live workplay environment that this city deserves. We appreciate your time, your hard work, and the opportunity to share this vision. Let's work together to make

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this a reality. Thank you. >> Seems good. >> Thank you, Enigma. Uh, Fountain Square TT Good evening, council and staff. I'm Charlie Martin representing Fountain Square TT. Um the developers uh

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hopefully the developers of Fountain Square. Our vision and our mission for Fountain Square is to create more than a development but a destination. And we believe we've assembled the right team to do it. Um it's a place we

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envision a place that um local residents will want to come to enjoy but also bring um the community of greater Tampa area to Fountain Square to take advantage of the unique development that we're proposing.

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At this point, I'm going to turn turn it over to Rachel to um get into the details. >> Thank you, J. Thanks everybody for your time. Uh I will dive into more of the experiential component uh rather than the broader

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strokes of alignment with the CRA for my presentation tonight in the interest of giving uh the full picture to the public as well as your staff. Um so I am Rachel Marshall. I represent the architect of record and I'm honored to represent the

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team uh behind uh the fountain uh square concept. We uh pride ourselves in creating environments that are consumer centric that are engaged throughout the day and throughout the years. Therefore, our

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vision uh for Fountain Square was one of being cohesive with the community itself uh and allowing the opportunity for diverse tenants and allowing the continuity from Fountain Plaza, which is

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just uh north of this property. So, this property is located on 56th, and 56th deserves 360°ree architecture. Um, the reason why it deserves that type of architecture is because we want to focus

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on not only bringing visitors from 56 into this community and into this environment to share in a little slice of Temple Terrace, but it also needs to speak to the community that has been developed behind it. Um, therefore, in

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our concept, we have viewed it as a continuous cohesive development with the adjacent property. uh and making sure that the environments that are uh provided are ones that can be um

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occupied by boutique shopping experiences, gathering spaces, food and additional food and beverage, but not to take away from what is next door. We want to make sure that the needs are met by the community uh contributing

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community members that are already in existence. Um you can see as we zoom in that we envision something that is at the scale of the pedestrian specifically. Uh we want to make sure that pedestrians feel and the community

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members feel that they are one with this environment and that they are welcome to it at all hours of the day. Uh this particular concept is held together by 12,000 square feet of public space. And this public space as you can see in this

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image uh would be activated through public seating and spaces where people can linger and gather or play. Um Temple Tarius is very big about live, work, play. We wanted to make sure that we continued that narrative within this

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vision. Uh, additionally addressing the 56th corridor, making sure that that also is alluring to people that are passing by. So, focusing on the landscape, focusing on the storefronts, focusing on the

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signage and the spillout opportunities to allow people to see that the there is fun happening here and that they want to become involved in that fun. This is also uh what we are envisioning for the shopping. So the shopping is a a

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prominade if you will of experience. It is you have the ability to come here have breakfast do your shopping then if you want to linger and have a drink or an evening you're able to do that.

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So from day to night, this square will be activated 100% of the time. I will zoom in. Uh as mentioned before, we are focused on this becoming a defined gateway. And

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so that con continuity between the two uh developments is a very very core aspect to what we are giving Temple Terrace and our commitment to keep these unified areas in this in um

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in harmony with each other and allowing them to perform as a unit together. and we have the vested interest in h seeing that completed. It is also operational. Uh we have paid attention to the uh delivery route to

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not inhibit people whenever they are actually utilizing the space. We are making sure that you know the Florida weather is under consideration by providing deep canopies and covered uh spaces for the public spaces so that

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people can in fact get away from sun or rain. Um but also be able to activate these spaces at any time. This is a view from the 56 just a little bit more enlarged. And these are our flexible uh leasing

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areas. And so we have accounted for 1,200 foot units that can be combined or reduced down to that 1,200 to accommodate everything from a uh um small boutique retailer to larger

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formats. Our leasing objective is to bring in unique and diverse uh tenants so that this becomes not only a destination for the residents of Temple Terrace but also a destination for the greater area.

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In addition to the first level retail and uh restaurants, we have restaurants upstairs as well as a covered shared space of 5,000 ft² for rooftop dining. Um this is to again activate the entire

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uh property and allow there to be opportunities for the public as well as the individual tenants. All of this is wrapped in the Mediterranean style that is continued from the parcel next door. And it is one

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that allows for those open courtyards and the breezeways to then become a nice comfortable space for people to linger and to enjoy uh their afternoon or evening or morning at that.

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And I will yield back the final two minutes, but thank you for your time. Thank you, Fountain Square TV, Albby Properties. >> Good evening. Um, thank you guys for investing all this time uh today into

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this project. Um, all right. So, uh, just very briefly, I know you've heard a lot of this already. Uh, Albby is a commercial real estate investment development firm, uh, focused on retail and mixeduse development. Um I will skip right to our vision uh for the project.

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Um so what we're proposing is a 20,000 27,000 square foot um mixeduse retail uh center. Um we have designed it uh so that it embraces the street and uh creates a very pedestrian-friendly

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walking experience uh fronting 56th. Uh we've also uh created an open breezeway about 2/3 halfway to 2/3 through that 56th Street frontage uh to invite pedestrians off of the street and into the the property. Uh as they do that uh

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they'll walk past incredible FNB tenants on either side of them uh that are hopefully vibrant with outdoor activity uh and covered seating outside. Um, we've generously parked uh the property to ensure that whatever retailers end up

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moving here have sufficient parking uh for their customers. Um, and we've also uh pre-leased about 70% of the square footage uh to what we believe are really uh strong best-in-class tenants across

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various industries uh food, coffee, uh jewelry, uh and fashion. Um and that has given we believe it gives the council uh some certainty on the the types of uses and businesses uh that they can look to

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have uh at the property while also maintaining the flexibility uh to bring in additional complimentary uh and synergistic tenants in that remaining 30% which equates to about 8 or 9,000 square ft. Um,

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that is our project in a nutshell. Um, I'm going to yield the rest of my time. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Albi. >> Whoops. >> Next up, let's I think we're going to deal with 8901 first. Okay. >> Yeah.

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>> So, are there members of the public who wish to comment on these projects? Mr. Lo, >> you want me to sign another form? >> No, sir. We know you. >> Uh, Charles Lo Terrace Park. I do have

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kind of a suggestion. Uh, I actually think that they're beautiful projects. All I don't I don't think you can go wrong on them, but they might have various needs to various for various people and all that. So my suggestion kind of to you all is this if if this is

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the direction you want to go and that is to go maybe put the presentations online. I mean just the visual part of the presentations and maybe you would get input and see maybe have your public rank them one in this case one two three and four in the other case one two and

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three and see if people would have a distinct preference toward the uses of your residency. Now, another thing that you might be able to get into would be like details. Now, a detail might be something like about maybe suggesting somebody put bike racks or something

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like that in there or some other type of detail like that. It's something that you all might want to consider doing. And, you know, because like I say, I I would hate, frankly, I'd hate to be the one to make the choice. I'm glad it's you, not me. >> Are there other members of the public

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who wish to comment? Hey, Council members, are there questions for any of the project? >> I asked mine. >> I do have a new one. >> Okay, vice mayor. >> Uh, this is for Enigma. Uh, just real quickly, the event space outside uh on

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your uh presentation that shows no fence. Is there going to be is it going to be fenced or anyway? >> Um, it's not proposed, but if uh it's one of the city would u would like it. >> No, I just wondered if No, >> it's not proposed. We we want people to walk in

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>> relax there for some time if they want to sit down, you know, it's a nice outdoor space. So, it's not proposed fence now. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Other questions, council members? Council member Fernandez. Uh so actually while you're here um regarding the use

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of that green space is it is your is it your thought or that your plan is that it's basically open space that if somebody is up there um there maybe they're going in and out of the stores and and people can just be on the green

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space not necessarily have to be using one of the restaurants or something to >> so the green space is designed for u not specifically that you're shopping in the area. Even if you want to sit down, just relax a bit. That's what the screen is about. So, if if members of the public

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just uh walking in and just say that, you know, we're not going to eat or anything. They just we just going for the night sport game or something, they most welcome to do it. So, it's it's open to public. It's it won't be restricted to people using the plaza or something. >> Okay. And then I I have a question for

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you that has I think that came up. It's actually it it's for all the developers, but um we get a lot of comments about Temple Terrace having a lot of hookah lounges, wigs, hair stores, and uh smoke shops. So, would you be willing to put

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some sort of restriction or are you planning to put some sort of restriction into your tenant list that would not include those doors? So because that whole strip we want to have diversification on it. We own the

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restaurant across the Mexican restaurant we recently took over. We have about 5 years by the time we will completely break it down and make a complete new one. So we were thinking of leasing it out for a couple of years before we like you know year twoear lease or something so we don't waste money on it. We have a

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Yemeni coffee on our in our plaza and there was another Yemeni coffee who asked us who approached us for the Mexican restaurant. We denied them even though he said we are across the road and there are two Yemeni restaurants. I said no it's Yemen coffee versus Yemen

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coffee. But we did restrict them and um currently we have a lease signed for a hookah place in the plaza which is a outdoor hookah place um that leaves have fall apart so I can't promise you in the enigma plaza but here we would have a

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restriction and also with if we go ahead with that with taking care of the neighbors if there's something similar concept we don't want it we would rather keep it where it's more of different restaurants different concepts coming And rather than having same thing as as I said that you know we not entertaining

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any more Mediterranean restaurants we not entertaining anymore uh Yemen coffees um or any other coffee house I think um you know which has a similar concept if yes if there are some uh very high-end coffee houses in New York that I saw of if they would like to come in

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you know be open to that. >> Okay. Um thank you. >> Okay. Any other questions for any other project? I have some um TMA. >> Yes, >> nice seeing you all again.

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>> Good to see you. Thanks for your patience. >> No worries. >> So, help me understand. Well, first question is in your slideshow you show some really impressive potential tenants. Ghirardelli chocolate I can't remember.

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But I mean when you see that slide you're like boy I'd sure love to have that stuff in the city. That'd be great. >> That's the main thing different. >> So my question is do you have commitments from any of those people or is those are those just examples of the kinds of companies you hope to >> the chocolate? Yes we do. >> Okay.

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>> Actually the chocolate that we bring in 10 years in a row number one in the world. >> Okay. My question is do you have commitments for them to leave space? >> Yes. >> How many do you have any commitments? >> Four. >> Four. What are they? If you know >> chocolate Cuban coffee that authentic

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Cuban coffee. >> Okay. >> Okay. And uh a donut but not your typical donut base. It's an ice cream called like similar to cold stone. >> Oh, okay. >> Okay. So things that you don't see normally in there and that's we figured

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that would accommodate the potential development down in in the river. >> Okay. >> People don't want to come out of the kayak and go to a restaurant or seating restaurant. They want to go in there, sit outside, grab some coffee, grab a sandwich or something, and I think that would be more adequate for it.

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>> Okay, thank you. Um, so I'm a little confused about the rooftop. >> What's computer? >> Who's going up to the roof? And why would they go up there? And I don't understand the whole how that ties in. >> The fact that's the rooftop will be over

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overlooking the river. That's the only things that's one of the reason that we have we created the rooftop and that it's a glass balcony going overlooking the river. Somebody wants to get a sandwich or a cup of coffee and he wants to go out upstairs and just watch the kayaking. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. Um what is your position as the property owner on the use of alcohol in there? What if one of your tenants wants to serve alcohol? Is that going to be permissible? >> No. >> No. Okay. No hookah, no alcohol, no smoke shop. >> Okay.

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>> None of that. That's definitely is not >> Okay. Thank you. Um, Fountain Square. How many times have you made that walk today? Huh? >> A few. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Thank you.

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So, um, I heard you use the term or some variation of the term a lot both this afternoon and tonight of diversity or some form of you said that word or an equivalent word a lot. So, could you

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tell us what other properties in Temple Terrace the principles of this LLC currently own? >> I'm going to defer to on that one. Okay. >> Um, but obviously the store >> it would be just the fountain square. >> Fountain sorry fountain plaza.

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>> Fountain plaza. So that's the only one you guys currently have. Okay. Okay. We're good. Thank you. So, um, I'm intrigued by the two 4,300 square foot restaurants on a rooftop. Do you

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have any concepts that are already interested in those spaces? We we haven't decided on on the tenants, but the type of tenants that that we would like to bring in are tenants that

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you're not going to find around the corner or you know some around in every little community. Um one of the one of the partners has a hospitality background. So he has a number amount of

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restaurants. So the idea of floating is you have a breakfast place and then you have a formal dining place on the roof or you know mixed you have two formal dining or it's conversion between serving breakfast in the morning and serving dinner at both restaurants on

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the on the rooftop. >> Okay. One of the one of the examples of the type of place that we would like to bring in is like chop house 286 which is a destination uh chop house with chop with you know proprietary means of

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cooking the meats and um all choice meats. So, you know, we don't have a any commitments because we wanted to obtain the project commitment on the project to finalize the deals with the people that we're currently talking with.

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>> Okay. So, you guys are not in ownership of any of the other plazas in the city? >> No. >> Okay. Um, what about alcohol in this building

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if you own it? We're okay with it. >> You're okay with that? Okay. So, I'm a little confused and Mr. Paulie, if you can chime in here, if if you if you So, I know that the CRA the goal of the

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downtown area has always been that the the primary front I know this is hard to because some of these buildings have two or three fronts, but the primary front has always been that it's supposed to be directed in towards Bertha Palmer.

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>> Yes, sir. That is correct. Now, this building, I wouldn't exactly call the burp the Palmer side of these renderings the back of the building cuz there's activity there, too, but it's definitely class B compared to the other side. I mean, the other side is clearly where

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the wider veranda, the most activity. I have a couple questions concerning that. One is is that consistent with what we've been trying to build in the downtown trying to direct all the activity inside not 56th Street. Two,

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should we rethink that if it's and then um the other is you guys own the fountain shops right next door. How do you get product and deliveries made now to fountain shops and how are you going to do that here where you

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really have two fronts to the building? How you going to get materials in? And and I saw the thing on the south end, but so you park your delivery van on the south end. What are you going to do? Put that stuff on a cart and walk it all the way up? I mean, how's that going to work?

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>> So, operationally, that being something during non-prime hours is going to be a operational goal. Uh we also have a center uh we have a widened obviously entry path where during the the lower operation times you can actually pull

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and access that center courtyard area which has the elevator lift and the core to move everything to the restaurant level and then also separating it out on to both flanks for any of the back of house storage and things of that nature.

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So you do have the prime delivery spot, but during off hours it can be done at the front of house, but we would like to do that only whenever the the businesses are not under operation so that we don't impede pedestrian traffic.

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>> Do you Thank you. That's a good answer. Greg, do you have any Mr. Paulie, do you have any >> Very good, sir. Um, in looking at this particular project, it actually aligns itself well with the

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uh frontage requirement, if you will, because you are correct that traditionally the properties have been reversed with the primary front facing inbound. But we've always required and

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strongly in in many cases we've encouraged and tried to get as much of a streetscape front if you even if you call it a false front. You want an attractive front on the street side knowing that the primary

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entrance is inbound. The parking and those other access points are inbound. So what they've done is perfectly in tune with the standard of the CRA. It's some of the other properties have res relied more on what we might call a

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false front on the street side. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> If if I may, we've also designed the building to envision the CRA's expansion across 56. And that's why we have dynamic facades on both the front and

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and the back or back and front, whichever way you >> Okay, >> get it. >> So, and I know I read the backup material several times, but at this point it's all starting to rush together on me. So, remind me what other projects

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you guys own. I know you said one in Temple Terrace, but other >> Yeah. Um, >> do you want to talk about >> Well, um, >> Orient. >> Yeah. Um, we've developed, um, a warehouse distribution facility on or O or O or O or O or O or O or O or O or O

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or O or Orient road. Um, um, one of the partners owns Five Kiki Restaurants and also Guy Fieti's Chicken Guy restaurant in Wesley Chapel. Um, they own warehouse distribution facilities. Um, >> shopping centers. They're they're

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>> What other restaurants? You mentioned one or two. Tell me about other restaurants that are >> primarily those those two chains. Um uh the the Kiki and the Chicken Guy. Chicken Guy is located you know throughout the country in like locations

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and um Kiki was I don't know recently bought by Denny's and um you know after being a local chain out of Orlando. Um, so you know, they're two very wellnown names.

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>> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, >> council members. Other questions? >> I'm sorry. Stay. >> Any other questions? >> Any other questions? Okay. Thank you so much. >> Looks like we're ready to move on to 8447. >> Okay.

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Uh three valid offers accept uh were submitted during the uh notice offer period. Uh they are TMA Investments Group LLC, Enigma Events LLC, and Albby Properties LLC.

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>> I'm not going to take much time. the L-shaped property, the one that's the south part, we're trying to make it. You have a not just for 56 street, you have a lot of houses in the back >> and a lot of property in the back. I

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mean, home. I heard earlier about the golf cart and all the things. And uh that would be great because a lot of those homes, it's easier for them to take the golf cart, take the kids, go get ice cream. I it's

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going to be accommodated a lot of the same thing future development that the city has for the river. It's not we're not looking for we're not going to be have uh uh formal restaurants. We want

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something to be accessible to everybody that comes from the river come from 56. Come walking distance. It's going to be a community walking distance. Golf cart. Absolutely. Even the sidewalk we were talking about, we were looking at it the other day. The sidewalk that connect the

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side street good to 56th Street. We know that's going to go straight to the park. whatever the future willing to actually extend it to be able friendly for kids in a bicycle or people with the golf cart or people just walking or rolling anything like that. So the main thing

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the main focus for that one to be a local for the local some people comes people come for kayaking they go there they have fun that's it it's not going to be you don't have to be dressed up to go to a restaurant in there you can go in a short flipflop and you'll be okay

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grab an ice cream grab a cup of coffee grab a donut some sandwich to go need to go kayaking have a little boat even ice we were thinking about having ice machines in They're free to the public. Whoever going to go to the park for the

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kayak area for the people that comes having a picnic in there when looking to make it extremely friendly and locally for the city for the city temple terrace. This is the goal for us.

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However vision it is, you know, that's the vision that we have for that particular piece of property. And the places is uh mostly going to be local, mostly going to be people who are from here. It's not a big stores. We have you can have it bigger. It's it's a

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vanilla box. You can extend it or make it. Somebody wants,000 square foot once I make a Cuban coffee, you know, which is we have. It's amazing coffee. I had the same guy has in Miami. an authentic Cuban coffee not comes from

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the machine that actually you grind it is it's an art it's amazing and those are the things that we lack in here things that's authentic people has it John and Mary wants to open a little doughut shop

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or something specialty items not just uh anything something specialy something unique and you're uh you're familiar with armature It's exactly look at that concept in temple terrace.

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They change I mean an area used to be a dump but he chang it to amazing destination for everybody. We're there at least twice a week. I know my son goes in there every weekend. He spending duck the boat in there go and eat and leave. So this is the vision that we'll have

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you know for for that particular area. That's all I got to say. I mean, you have it there. Don't do I have to put the slide or something and the the seating area >> the slides for you? >> I don't know. I mean, but uh gentlemen, this is the vision

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that we have. I have I we have me and my partner for that particular location. The seating area in the middle, it's more of a community gathering to people who comes in there. They sit next to each other. That's why people talk, people come. I mean, they friend meets

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in there. So, it's uh it's not going to be uh it's going to be a unique uh almost like a community gathering. >> Um I will say something. So his vision

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or the partner's vision for this particular uh project, it perfectly aligns with CRA vision and correct me if I'm wrong. >> Yeah, you you got to talk. >> Oh, sorry. >> There we go. >> I said it it perfectly it perfectly aligned with CRA vision and correct me

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if I'm wrong. Uh all of this with again preserving the same modern taste of Mediterranean vibes uh from the design details to the seing

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to the pergola to the type of working in and out all of that. Uh I want to add something of and it's good and it's I mean uh doable for both projects is from closing to co certificate of occupancy

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or even more to be occupied already by the tenant we are committed to 24 months with all those development phases uh I don't want to speak dollar amount for my partners but because that's you

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know internal kind of conversation and and an analysis. They have all the cash to go for it uh as fast as possible in construction and I'm committing myself to do it for permitting as fast as um I

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get the the help of the reviewers. Uh so this coffee shop is standing by itself kind of um a nice uh 2,300 ft at the entrance uh for like a special you know um kind

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of as you said like a coffee shop gathering thing ADA apply compliance everywhere all the way. Um and uh also as I as I mentioned uh before on the previous uh or earlier

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is that University of South Florida they really want to have uh kind of a gallery. Yes. >> Give me just one second. I just want to explain like the the coffee shop in the front because I heard you before uh >> there is an opening on 56th Street and

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we're trying to get to the area to get to that plaza from the side street not from just 56th Street because it's going to be a hard turn for anybody to turn into it. So the coffee shop in there just kind of it has it you can get in but mostly going to be preferred to go

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to go from the side street. So that will activate the more active I mean uh for the side street not the the world is 56 >> and that's one of the reason we had the coffee shop in there or something. I mean it could be uh uh we tried to turn

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from the 56 it's not easy you have to like that I mean especially in a rush hour it's kind of hard. >> Mhm. >> So that will make it a lot easier for directing traffic to the other side. That's where golf carts comes from. there would be an you know great thing

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to do. This project is also having enough parking spaces actually more than the required number with EV charging um parking spaces and we can of course since we have more than enough we can um

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reserve some places for biking or bicycling um uh yes and it's also the way has been designed is to be as attractive from the 56th uh avenue knew as attractive from

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the front in terms of stores. Uh you can tell and you can see I mean um thoughtfully we were thinking to push it to the back of the property line as much as possible. Of course with the setbacks

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regulations you know all of that has been compliant for the reason of like making some more space as a courtyard as an open courtyard for the sitting you know and gathering. Um it is fenced

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with the uh I mean it's again for the building code safety compliance fenced and uh nicely designed with uh landscaping again to make the whole vibes of Mediterranean style.

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The four different type of stores with their square footages. the numbers of spots for parkings circulations. We also in here met the zoning requirement of height

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and features and I believe I cover it all. If you have any questions, please let us know. We're more than happy to answer them. And if there is anything required uh after that from the city to comply

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with any more you know kind of design or something like this I'm we're here for that. Thank you. >> Thank you TMA Investment Group Enigma Events. >> Good evening again. Uh once again my name is Baba Singh. We are the owners of the adjacent property which is the

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Enigma Plaza. In past we have bid uh for this property couple of times and uh finally we have reached a stage where we can understand what city wants and what people want in there and u came up with

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a design which is more of nowadays trend. um underpasses make look property look more rich. Um we have a smaller video presentation that we can >> we are pleased to present our proposal

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for 8447 North 56th Street Temple Terrace commonly referred to as the South parcel. Enigma Group is focused on transforming underutilized land into highquality enduse developments that contribute meaningfully to the surrounding community. We are actively

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developing multiple projects in and around Temple Terrace with a strong commitment to enhancing the city's growth, character, and economic vitality. Within Temple Terrace, we are the owners and developers of Enigma Plaza, where we successfully revitalized a previously

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underutilized building in the downtown core into a Mediterranean style state-of-the-art retail and restaurant destination. Despite encountering significant challenges during the various stages of this project, including the loss of the project engineer, supply chain

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disruptions, increased material and labor costs due to CO 19, and complexities associated with a grandfathered structure. We successfully navigated these obstacles and delivered the project to completion. In addition, we have acquired the former

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Mexican restaurant site at River Hills Drive and 56th Street, where we are planning a multi-level mixeduse development combining commercial and residential uses. We also own approximately 3.5 acres along River Hills Drive where we are planning a 57

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unitstyle residential community. Further near the downtown bridge at Hillsboro at the intersection of 56th Road and Puritan Street, we are developing a riverfront food truck park with outdoor seating and evening entertainment designed to activate the

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waterfront and create a vibrant community gathering space. Today, we are excited to formally present our offer for the south parcel. We are prepared to offer the full asking price of $1 million with a 120day due diligence period.

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Within the due diligence period, we anticipate submitting site plans within the first 60 to 90 days, allowing the city approximately 30 to 60 days for review. Enigma Group has already conducted significant preliminary analysis of this site, the due diligence

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period will allow us to finalize design, engineering, and approvals in close coordination with city staff. Should additional time be required due to comments or revisions, we propose that the due diligence period be extended accordingly to ensure a fully approved

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and wellexecuted project, closing would occur within 30 days thereafter. Our vision for this site, which we refer to as South Gate, is to create a thoughtfully designed mixeduse destination that enhances the downtown experience. The ground level will feature

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approximately 20,000 square ft of interactive retail and restaurant space, including outdoor seating areas that engage directly with the surroundings. A signature restaurant overlooking the pond will serve as a focal point, creating a unique and inviting dining

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experience. The second level will include approximately 4,000 square ft of office space along with a 4,000 ft rooftop restaurant. Additionally, there is an option to incorporate a 2,000q ft rooftop lounge, further activating the

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space and creating a destination for both residents and visitors. As owners of nearby properties, we are uniquely positioned to manage parking efficiently and curate a complimentary mix of tenants. By designing for varied peak hours across uses, we can support a

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higher intensity of development while maintaining functionality and convenience. We have also incorporated a 15t wide well-lit pedestrian walkway connecting the 56th Street bus stop to the city pond area. This feature is designed to

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enhance walkability, improve safety, and encourage community interaction. Additionally, the proposal includes an underpass element intended to improve traffic flow while contributing to a cohesive and refined overall design. Architecturally, the project is

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currently envisioned in a modern Mediterranean style. However, we remain flexible and are fully prepared to align the design with a more traditional Mediterranean character should that better reflect the city's vision. Our leasing approach will emphasize diversity in tenency, ensuring a vibrant

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and complimentary mix of businesses that strengthens both the local economy and overall user experience. To help bring this vision to fruition, we respectfully request the city's support in the following areas. Tree mitigation flexibility.

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Given our Mediterranean landscape design, which incorporates a higher proportion of palm trees, we request flexibility regarding tree mitigation requirements to maintain design consistency. Parking flexibility. While our plan already provides over 200

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parking spaces exceeding standard ratios, we may require limited flexibility to fully accommodate outdoor dining and activated public spaces. Priority review. Due to the multi-EP departmental coordination required for downtown projects, we request

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prioritized review and streamlined communication to maintain project momentum. In terms of timeline, construction is projected to begin within two months of closing and take approximately 9 to 14 months depending on external factors. We believe Southgate will serve as a

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catalyst for continued growth, creating jobs, attracting visitors, and further establishing Temple Terrace as a vibrant destination. We appreciate your time and the opportunity to present our vision, and we look forward to working collaboratively with the city to bring

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this project to life. Thank you. Enigma events I'll be properties. Okay. Um so for the south parcel um we think this property actually creates a really unique opportunity to introduce some contrast to the hustle and bustle

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of 56th Street. It's tucked the bulk of the developable land is tucked in off of 56 that's almost nestled in uh this collection of greenery. Um, and so what we are uh envisioning is a uh super

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highquality uh family-friendly uh destination restaurant uh that's almost tucked into the the trees uh towards the back of the site. Um the restaurant would double as both a full-ervice uh family oriented restaurant as well as an event space. Uh the event space would

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primarily be on a partial second floor along with a uh rooftop deck. Um and it would cater to events anywhere from 30 or so folks all the way up to about 120 people. Um the restaurant that we have

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in mind is one that we have a programmatic relationship with. Uh they've already uh committed to being in Temple Terrace. Uh their name is Albasha. It's it's a a critically acclaimed uh Middle Eastern restaurant based in New Jersey. Uh they were named

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by US USA Today a couple of years ago as the top restaurant in America. Um and they have approached us uh to express interest in being in Temple Terrace. Um I think they would be an incredible addition uh to the local community. Um and we feel that we could create a

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really special uh destination uh on this parcel. Um, understanding some of the goals of the city, uh, our intent would be to create connectivity between this parcel and the river, um, the riverfront, uh, plant south of it. Um,

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and enable people to kind of traverse all of these parcels along 56th down to the river. Um, the total uh, uh, building footprint is about 13,000 square ft. that includes the uh outdoor dining space in the

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second floor. Um, and we're well parked at about 6 and a half per thousand square ft. Um, that basically uh covers our proposal for this parcel and we're happy to answer any questions. Thank you. >> Thank you, Robin.

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>> Thank you. Are there members of the public who wish to comment? >> Mrs. Snelling. Good evening. >> Um I've just been hearing several proposals with the rooftop restaurant and activities event space and I get

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concerned if um there is alcohol service and um also possible noise like I just if these do move forward especially if there's alcohol involved to have conditions on outdoor volume of noise and music and that type of thing I think

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would be important. That that was all. >> Thank you. Are there other members of the public who wish to comment? >> Okay. Council members, are there questions for any of the proposals from 8447?

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Council member Well, council member. >> No, your turn. >> You're first. >> Question to the real estate agent who's been helping us. Um the cross access dispute between um the two parcels has been fully disclosed to the other

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parties between uh 8635 and 8451. Just making sure that we cross that. >> I'm not sure. >> Can a question to the city attorney? >> Can I? >> So I I know that I've mentioned it to

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because there was a meeting that was had with TMA. They're aware of it. I've not had any conversations with Albi um about any of this uh matter and obviously enigma is the party involved. >> Okay, we should disclose it. I think that's all. >> Yeah.

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>> Other questions? Council member, >> I had one question. I'm a little confused and I'm not sure whether it's Albi or Nigba. Mr. Chambers, you were talking about a pathway to the river in the previous discuss. Which which entity had that? Do you remember? Well, uh, no,

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I can't remember now, but one had a dedicated curvy path from their property going east. I was also looking at for more, uh, connectivity, uh, across River Hills on the south. So, I mean, one

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would be east. I can't remember somebody, you know, >> Albby have the east west path. >> Thank you. >> From the from the trash can from the bus stop. >> Who? >> That was different. >> That's Enigma. Enigma had to bust up. Okay. I thought somebody also had

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something that went down to the river. I could be wrong on that, but I was just want to make sure before any anybody anybody had anything that was going to the river on that. >> So, I can comment on that. Um, what's shown in our plan currently, which is still in a concept phase obviously at

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this stage, uh, is the path that you're referring to kind of heading east. Um, the intent is for that to kind of wind its way through the property and towards the river. Okay. >> Um, that's our intent. >> Okay. I just want to clarify that the last question I had enigma but >> I would like to respond to that one as

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well. >> Okay. You had the excuse me, you had the east west pathway which I think is good. >> Yes. So although it it wasn't mentioned verbally that we have a pathway but it's um we have a pathway which is covered walkway starting from Chicago which will

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come through the Enigma Plaza. It will go through the south gate and it will head all the way to the um the river hill. So that would be a 90% covered walkway >> that would tie into the meth as we talked before. And I have one last

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question for you. >> What's your logo? I can't figure out what it is. >> The red logo. What is that? >> Southgate. >> No, no, the lo your little logo in your >> My logo is a Fentury uh dragon. >> Okay. I just curious have a lot of money inside. >> Okay. Thank you.

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Okay, >> other questions for any Yes, >> not just for this parcel but more so the other one is I thought of it's a general question for the staff. >> Uh for 8901 uh in particular, >> would there be any restrictions on

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events on Burma Bertha Palmer like we've had with uh the food truck rallies or maybe a small art show? Would that still be possible if any with any of these developments? I I don't believe there'd be any restrictions necessarily assuming that I

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mean we'd probably want to coordinate any city event and you know birth of Palmerwood whatever the ultimate you know >> business is that's going to be in those those positives but I don't believe there's a restriction I'm getting the shake of the head there as well so confirmation >> okay thank you

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I >> I have a few questions um first the TMA group So, welcome back. >> Yes. >> So, I'm I'm asking about the proposal for 8447, but I'm also it relates to the

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companion proposal for 8901. I can't help but notice that both of these are differently configured, but they're the same thing. They're exactly the same thing. One, they each have 10 retail bays, approximately the

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same size. They both have the same stairs up to the rooftop, but it's kind of an illdefined use. I mean, anybody can kind of wander up there. I'm trying to frame this as a question because I mean, we have a lot of strip centers in simple terrace that are 1,500

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to 24 square feet. 2400 square feet. Are you confident, I mean, about filling 20 more of these of the same thing that I mean, you could throw a baseball and hit a hundred more of these within the same spot. How you going to fill 20 more of these? And how are we going to be

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assured that it's not 20 more of the same stuff we have? >> Well, first of all, the design, as I said, it's a flex space design. Means it could be that 10 could be easily 15 or

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14 or 20 or it could be reduced to five. Right? So for both projects it's a flex space. So that's number one. Number two, as uh earlier explained that the project on 8901 is going to be

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for signature restaurant or signature shops or coffee shops versus the L-shaped one which is 8447. It's going to be more of the local serving, you know, the local community who wants to do like their individual.

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It's not like nothing signatures, nothing big names, nothing brands, right? Uh so that's by itself is differentiation on the use when again when when when saying this

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means also differentiation on the square footages. So the square footages on this on the on the that was given on the plans that's for that's most likely serving for the calculation of the

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parking spot right and meeting the CRA requirements or you see I mean it's more of like the final number of the use but we have to give a number to meet

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those requirements. Okay. >> After all, the overall square footage of the one-story stores with the overall square footage of the rooftop remain same, which is not going to affect the

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parking spots and it's not going to affect the traffic and the people circulating around. >> Okay. >> Right. Uh I hope I I answered this and I want to answer um Miss uh I'm sorry about um

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>> yes go ahead. >> They both different property and each one of them is unique in its own. That's why the the the concept of it is similar but for the use that one in there the one by the southside is strictly local.

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It's not you're not going to see a brand name restaurants in there. You're going to see some nothing that you haven't heard before. John and Mary coffee shop, Cuban coffee or ice cream place or something to cater to the need of that area. What is what's the future

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development of the river side? The other one, it's also still flex space as well, but it's not going to be it's uh it's going to be a different use than uh than uh the south side. Southside is strictly local. That's what

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we trying to do. That's the vision that we have and we're trying to accommodate it and uh do it with in conjunction with the whatever the potential PD for the riverside. What I have in mind is uh same thing

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similar to armature work like that things everybody knows what it is. >> Okay. Thank you. And I want to answer the lady who asked for uh her concern about the noise and and and alcohol and

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all of that. Well, on our boat projects, no alcohol is allowed, no smoke shops are allowed and no uh what is the other hookah is allowed. So that's number one. Number two is the rooftops are not

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public use are solely used by the restaurants and the shops there for now in every day maybe every day but it's not going to be that coded it's mainly uh intend to use to be used for special events you know or special gathering or

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I don't know like uh uh like anyway it's not going to be that noise and that like night clock type of vibration no at all >> we know That's cross street. There is those building apartments >> surrounded with residents. >> Yes, exactly. And we did the study of

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the age of the residents and they all like kind of middle age where they have kids, you know, and so that's another thing that we aligned with the CRA vision on our project. We don't want to have any kind of harmful uh paring style

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for those residents >> all around. >> Yeah. >> Thank you, ma'am. Of course, >> Mr. Singh, I have a couple of questions. >> I can't tell from your drawings of 8447. I The aerial conceptual site plan looks like three

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buildings, but the elevations look like one building. I can't tell what's going on. >> So, there are three separate buildings, but the first level, the second level would be connected. >> It's a flyover. It's a fly. It's a like a second floor that goes across. >> Yes, correct. >> Okay.

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>> So, that that's an easy solution. Thank you. And so, what is your position on tenants that want to serve alcohol? >> So, we are open to alcohol. We um I guess it's a downtown. Um and we are completely open to alcohol at the

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moment. Okay. >> In terms of restaurants that wanted to serve alcohol, that wouldn't be a problem. >> No, we don't have a problem. Pro like it's not going to be on the ground level. Most probably it would be in a sit-down lounge on the top. That's what the plans are. The the first the second

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level is a lounge. One of them the 2,000 ft² it's a dedicated lounge. >> Okay. >> Lounge would be having alcohol for sure. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And in terms of noise, uh these would be midn noise. It would it wouldn't be so much that it would affect the neighbors. >> Yeah.

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>> So, okay. >> I do have a question for you. One question. Sorry about it. Um you I just want to clarify if um you mentioned that the there would be a signature restaurant on the view of the pond. If that restaurant concept wanted to serve

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alcohol, would that be something allowable or not? >> Everything is allowable once it comes to alcohol. We are open to it. >> Okay. I just wanted to confirm you just said second floor. >> That's the view. It's the you know wine is something you go in the evening and have it. I understand the concern that

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we are in an area residential area and we have to maintain the dignity of it. So, uh it's more of a sit-down restaurant. So, you know, we're looking at families coming in with children or maybe, you know, couples who just came out to have a nice dinner. So, yes, we open to it.

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>> Okay. Thank you. >> Other questions? Council member Kravitz, >> it's more of a comment. Um alcohol is allowed and uh you know, it's it's fine as long as it's not a nightclub or whatever it may be. >> Mhm. Um, personally I like to go out and have a beer or a glass of wine at night

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sometimes. I don't come home drunk. And this is part of our pedestrian master plan. >> Yeah. >> Uh, and part of the reason that we wanted that is so that people could walk to the downtown. If they're walking, they're not driving drunk. So, all in all, it's a very responsible concept. I just want to push back on this a little

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bit. I'm a little surprised by all the alcohol questions. Uh, I just want to be clear, you know, Temple Terrace is not a tea totler community from what I know. Uh, and everyone should be responsible with alcohol. do not do not get drunk. Do not drunk and drive. But alcohol as

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such is legal. And uh I personally don't have a problem with restaurants and temple terrace coming in and having a reasonable alcohol selection. I just want to be either. But since you're questioning me to explain my situation, my questions were not as you assumed they were. My questions were because I

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think uh a glass of wine or a beer is part of western dining and some of our >> and some of our applicants have said they have a no alcohol policy. >> I know I agree. Yeah, exactly. Okay, >> that's I was just going on the record that >> Okay, thank you. >> Sounds like we agree.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions for the applicants? >> Okay. Well, if there are no well, are there questions for staff or our broker? Now, we will need to have discussion, I

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guess, on 8901 first. Um, ultimately resulting in a motion to do something or not to do something, but um this is a serious matter. If we want to have some discussion prior to a motion, that seems appropriate.

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>> Question. Council member, >> the approach that we want to take towards this since do we want to rank our first and second choice, rank our first choice to come up with a uh a the the entity with which we want to begin

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the negotiations with. >> Historically, I I can't answer that. That's a >> that that's a general question. Well, historically what we have done is ranked is picked picked a candidate or picked none, but picked and said, "Go negotiate

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with this." >> Um, I don't know that there's anything that would make it that would preclude us from saying if it falls through with that one, go to go to this one. >> Right. Right. >> I don't know that that's precluded by anything. I'd have to ask, but we haven't necessarily done that in the

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past, but I don't know if it's that we can't do it. Yeah, >> there's nothing to preclude that. In fact, that if you had asked, I would have talked about the fact that if you chose one, what would you do? >> I think it would get a little problematic if we just decided we're

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going to rank all seven of them. And I mean that >> I don't want to be heard cats here tonight. That's all I'm saying. >> Yeah. >> So, >> but if we had one and then we had a backup, I think we could probably work around that. I think if we rank on seven, okay, >> 1 through 7, that might become a

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difficult >> just at 8:00 and I've been here since 3, I would like, if I could start making a recommendation for discussion and then see where it goes. >> Okay. >> For the property located at 8901, I would like to recommend that we move forward with the negotiations with the

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TMA organization. Excuse my apologize for my voice. >> With who? >> TMA. >> Oh, for discussion. >> You want to talk a little bit about that? Do you want to discuss each property one by one or are you promote are you saying that you that you're

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>> Well, I mean, if if everybody likes TMA, we're done. But okay. >> Yeah. >> I I don't I don't >> That's fine. That's fine. >> I mean, not that I don't like them. I do like them. It's not that I like you. >> Um I want to have Cuban coffee with you,

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but I don't like the no alcohol. I mean, part of western dining here is having a beer or a glass of wine or and um they do have some good tenants, but I don't know. I mean, I really am looking

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for some dining and having more. Nothing against the current people at the fountain shops and stuff. It's great, but we have a lot of We got 150 lunch places. Oh, yeah. >> And three supper places. >> Oh, and again, it's a starting point. We

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can move on. If somebody has another recommendation, we can discuss that one. >> I I just think that's another strip center like >> that's fine. >> But anyway, that's my take. But yeah, council member.

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>> Well, I guess what I will do is say that I have two properties that or two proposals that I think are I I don't necessarily have a favorite of the two, but I think that there are positives in both. And one is um the Enigma Events

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proposal I think has the green space or the activity space that we have been talking about in the past. And the and the whole goal of this project at 8901

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is to create a destination that brings people into the area who might not live directly here, but they live nearby and active and uh

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active in something that's a little bit different. So I that is a a very strong positive that I think of that project. Um Fountain Square. I also like the uh

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breezeway open meeting space and the the restaurants that are um second floor restaurants. I feel like it's a good use of the space. I don't necessarily I mean I'd like to discuss if those are

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property or proposals that other council members think have merit, you know, the pros and cons, one versus the other or but I I mean my my goal in this project has always been to create a destination.

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A lot of people drive down 56th Street, they drive through the city, but they don't really stop here. So that's what I'm looking for in a project as well as obviously providing value to

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to the people that live here places to go >> whether to freeall how you going to do it. >> I have a I have a question on it. >> Okay. I don't have a pro I I I I too like the fountain project. Okay. That was my second choice. My problem with

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enigma is in reality comparatively speaking Mr. Paulie, what's a 12,000 foot building or space in relation to another store in the world? >> Well, 12,000 or 1,200 >> 12,000.

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I'm talking about the the open space. >> CVS is 10. So, >> is that what it is? CVS 10. Okay. I wasn't sure what that is. >> Um, your average fast food restaurant is 4500. >> Okay. >> Double that, you're just under 10. >> Okay. So about size of a CVS. Okay. All

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right. Then your your point that that that's an area where people could congregate and so forth. Um my problem with Enigma is so far below the appraisal. >> That's my concern with it. Whereas uh fountain is actually above the appraisal. I like I and I did like the

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fountain concept. That was my second choice behind TMA. Um, my first choice would be the Fountain Square also for the reasons. I also like the 56th Street presence. I mean, I know it's against what we've

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been doing, but it just adds to 56th Street and across 56th Street and there's still the entrances off of Bertha of Palmer. So, that's my first choice. My second choice would be Albby. So,

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that's it for me. One and two. Council member Kevin, is >> there any reason why we shouldn't negotiate with all of the proposals? They're all really strong contenders and maybe we see how the negotiations go and then >> I don't think we're supposed to do that. >> I thought we just discussed this a

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minute ago and it was fine. >> No. Well, in the time that I've had between the CRA and now looked into it and it would be you would select a proposal if if you want if you liked a proposal you'd select it. you would uh

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you know uh direct the city manager and his team to negotiate. You might create some parameters or things that you'd want him to uh negotiate. I think he'd probably chime city manager would chime in on that a little bit. Um and then you

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but you would only be negotiating with one per property at a time. >> So question back to the city attorney. We were discussing backups, >> right? So if you wanted >> negotiate with one and then have a

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backup or can one also have multiple backups? >> Well, that would be up to the city council as to how many backups you would want. But you could have one or more backups if you were to let's say rank them, you know, one through four in this one. They would if one fell through then

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you would go to two or you could just do two. May it's just >> I think we've done this for example when we hire firms for sometimes you'll see this we rank the firms and if we can't come to a successful resolution with firm one then we go to firm two so the

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concept I think would be similar here what the city attorney alluded to would be depending on the rest of your discussion goes you may have certain parameters you want to hit certain things that were mentioned here this this evening perhaps is hey we're willing to do this or do that and your things you may want so I would ask that whichever proposal you want

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go with whether it's rank one and you have all a second one or whether it's the loan proposal you want to pursue. If there are parameters that you feel like have been discussed that you're comfortable with just please let me know what those are and then we'll incorporate that into the into the discussions with the uh with the

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selected uh party. if he had a second one um and we couldn't come to terms for whatever reason with the first party, we obviously would let you know. Uh and and then we could go on to the second one, keeping, you know, keeping folks still active and engaged this part of the process. Uh but I would not recommend

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negotiating with both uh at the same time. That I don't think would be appropriate and it would be problematic. >> Okay. Thanks. So, did you want to roll into discussion or >> It sounds like most people either have Fountain Square TT as their first or

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second choice. >> Is that more or less accurate? And then um Enigma and Albby are some people's first choice, but there's no consistent trend

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otherwise. So I think in aggregate seems like most people would probably want be happiest, let's say, with Fountain Fountain Square TT for this one property as the first point of contact. Um, personally, I have sympathy for the um,

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Enigma offer. I do like the the lawn. I think that's really neat, but um, the offer is low and I think it's a bad look to sell this property when there are higher offers on the table. at that price. So since we're not able to

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counter effectively um just to clarify because that was a question brought up earlier. Um once you if you choose one of these proposals uh terms and price can be negotiated at

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that time but you need to you know have selected one to move forward with on the negotiation. Well, if we if we want to counter any of these, what would what would the uh council like to counter with and who would they like to counter? How about that? Like, let's say instead of taking

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these as they lay here, that sounds like we can then discuss what we would like to achieve in the negotiation. Is that accurate, city attorney? >> Yes. I mean, you're you're selecting one of the proposals. They this was an invitation to for proposals. proposals

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were provided and you know there's a lot of things to consider. You were looking at you know the you know how it fit in with the city everything else. Once you pick a proposal then we would be you and if one of the parameters that you'd want to look at would be the price and uh you

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would uh obviously direct the city manager to look at that negotiation. >> What does that >> what you're choosing is the proposal. >> Does that change anyone? Does that change anyone? >> Just just comment just to throw this out and then I'm still you still have the

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floor, but I do like the Fountain Square proposal the best. Um it seems to fit with the original vision of the downtown the best. Um the second fallback in my mind really in my mind TMA I'm not

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really interested. did the alcohol thing to me. I mean, I'm not a lush, but I think that's a big part of what we're trying to build is we're trying to activate the space. Um, and the Albby thing 8901 anyway, I'm talking about now 8901. The Albby proposal, I it's very much

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like the TMA. It's a strip center. I mean, it's just another I I don't see that really activating the space. Fountain Square, it's got 24,300 square foot restaurants. Okay, that's activating a space. Enigma, I have some

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real questions about that, but I agree that the courtyard, the screen, right, the comm the gathering space, that's activating a space. So, for me, this is a choice between two, not really four. It's a it's Fountain Square and and or Enigma. And I think there's a

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lot to talk about with Enigma on either one of these parcels, wherever we do it. if we're going to go with Enigma as first or second. I've got a lot of concerns about that. Not insurmountable. I like the concept. It's not that. But for me, Fountain Oaks, Fountain Square

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is I like that. I mean, it's really looks like what the community has been trying to build for a long time. Enigma, I like the concept. I'm not convinced, but I like the concept. >> So, that's Well, I You had the You done?

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>> I gave it up. >> Okay. All right. >> I got a question. All right. Go back to the the the negotiation part. If we make a decision based upon that tonight, are we not s where we know we're going to go back and counter theoretically?

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What what was the purpose of the the the the methodology for the bidding then or the for the for the proposal? because you made you made uh your comments in in last meeting regarding well wait a minute we can't start asking them to you know would you raise the price and this

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type of thing. >> Well what I was trying to avoid there and what with the competitive u bidding process was I did didn't want what had happened last time which was just basically an auction going on. you're gonna >> basically what

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>> an auction, you know, I was like, so I was trying to, you know, really that was my focus at that time was to not have that happen again. Okay. >> But as I looked into it, it's, you know, you're you're picking the the proposal or the concept and then we'd be negotiating what is best for the city

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>> as far as moving forward with that concept. >> Okay. Okay. I just want to make sure we're not just walking around the circle. That's all. >> Understand? So where this was left last was there seems to be a gravitation towards

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Fountain Square and maybe Enigma. I don't know of how you guys feel about that. So >> I mean I like the active space in Fountain Square as well. So,

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uh I mean in terms of value for the property itself, the the the val the the depth and the intensity of development with some gathering space. It's Fountain

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Square is probably a better value project. I do however still I like the active space with the Enigma but I think that it's a better use of the space with the Fountain Square project. So I mean I I'm

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fine with that but I I do like the concept of having the gathering space. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I'm good with one and two rankings. Fountain Square first, then Enigma. >> Okay. If we're going to rank Enigma

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number two, we got more to talk about. You want to rank Enigma number two? >> I have some concerns with ranking Enigma's number two, but I mean you go ahead. You have the floor. Go ahead. >> No, I'm asking you. >> Yes. Um, fountain fountain's number one. Found

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our one. And and if if it if it if there's an issue, we can back we can drop down to enigma. But I have one major concern with Enigma. So, >> okay. So, if the motion's going to be Fountain Square, I think it's probably safe for somebody to make that motion now.

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>> Okay. >> If the motion is going to be Fountain Square one, Enigma 2, then we have more to talk about. So, >> well, and then I'd like to make a motion that we direct the city staff to negotiate this for the parcel of 8901

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North 56th Street with the Fountain Square TT Group. >> Second. Motion in a second. Discussion of the motion. >> Did I see you, Council Member Kravitz? Um,

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so if we go that route, I think that's a good idea, but we should probably have a discussion about whether there's anything in that bid that we don't like or that we might want to adjust um before we send staff out so that they

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have clearer direction about what specifically we're going to be asking them to adapt. So, as we discuss this motion, it might be a good idea to amend it to not just be a straight accept, which is how it is

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phrased now, we should discuss what we want to have incorporated into the motion in terms of what parts we might want to adjust unless the city attorney has an issue with that or the city. >> That does seem in keeping with the that would be appropriate. Yes.

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>> So, based on what council member Krav is just saying, I wish I took notes earlier. So can I just recite what I think were discussed discussion points relative to this this particular project. >> So there was a concern raised I believe this was during a CR meeting. I apologize it's kind of blurred um about

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um waving the time frames waving the contingencies and if I if you can ask the applicant but I my notes say here that they were willing to wave all contingencies and close as soon as the contract is ready. Um, and then there was also a commitment to match the best

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offer on the table. I believe that was also there. Now, whether they want to do that or not, that's up for the council to have that conversation right now. >> That is important to me. Yeah. Um, obviously we need to obtain the best price that we can. Uh, and when the

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price was dropped, I did hope that it would cause a lot of interest, which might actually drive the price back a little higher. Um, so that would be good. I also think if we go with the fountain shop uh fountain shop extension

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strategically what we'll end up with in downtown is going to be uh a large central parking lot um surrounded by strip centers which is fine that is common. Um, and I think the the real center of downtown in terms of where

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people will enjoy being will actually gravitate toward the south with Riverside Park, Enigma Plaza, and potentially a development there because that is significantly more walkable and the parking lots are not in the center of it. So, one thing that we could think

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about so that we don't just end up with a dead space in the center of the northern area of downtown would be how to activate those parking lots as we've been doing. Um, they don't have to be dead space, but in order for them to

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work well, they do have to have some adjustments. They can't just be straight parking. So, landscaping becomes very important. um maybe installation of benches, trash cans, those kinds of things so that that area can have multiple uses.

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Um so as we negotiate with Fountain Square TT, those might be some requests that we could make that are very cheap to implement, right? Installing a little bit of landscaping or a bench, those kinds of things are relatively straightforward for the developer to do.

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Um, bike parking is another example just to keep that area not just being a complete massive paved asphalt area, right? So, we want to avoid that. I think that's really important and and maybe we can get a little bit of that

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enigma magic with that um grass area by going that route. So it seems council member that it would be a very easy route to take for you to offer a friendly amendment to the motion to include those negotiation priorities. >> Yeah.

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>> In the motion and then if the motion maker accepts those then they would become part of the and that guidance would become part of the motion which would be um I think beneficial. >> Before you can I have a comment before you do that? >> Yeah. But I'm coming back to council member.

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>> Well it may affect that that that that motion. Okay. >> You know, going back to the master plan for the pedestrian pedestrian multimodal thing. There was a lot of that already in there was already done by the engineering firm on how to tie every all those all those in. And perhaps your

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motion could read something like Yeah. making sure that it ties in with the multimodal or the intramotal uh pedestrian master plan that we've already I think we approved it. I'm 99%. I believe that you points well taken. this is what we were trying to accomplish with that. And if they just

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make sure that they tie in with that, then I think everybody will be happy because they were they were putting up park benches and widening uh median strips to make it easier for parking for bicycles and everything involved. So as opposed to reinventing the wheel, it's already out there. Maybe they that's why

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I asked everybody is everybody tying in with the master plan and their answer to that is yes. So might make your make you make your qualification uh part of the motion a little easier and simpler for for staff to facilitate. >> Really good suggestion because then they

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already have a skeleton that they can build on. >> Council member Kravitz, you would be recognized if you choose to make a friendly amendment. >> Excuse me. Can I speak? >> No sir, not at this point. >> Okay. So um then the motion would be as uh city manager

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kindly mentioned um to amend the motion under consideration to include that staff is instructed to negotiate in line with the suggestion made by

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Fountain Square TT that they would match the highest bid which is $1.65 million plus a 5% of revenue uh dispersal to the city for 10 years

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out of net proceeds of their rental income for the property that we also instruct staff to negotiate with Fountain Square TT so that the parking lot area

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integrates into the multimmoal pedestrian master plan. I think there was one other point. >> Council member Fernandez, do you accept the >> other the contingencies? >> I'm sorry. >> And the and that exactly. Thank you very much. And finally that we instruct city

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staff to negotiate with Fountain Square TT that they will remove their contingencies and move to an immediate close. So I think those were the three things that were offered earlier. So that would be

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the addendum. >> Council member Fernandez, do you accept the friendly motion or the friendly amendment? >> Yes, >> you do. So we have a revised motion. Do we have a second? >> I have a question before I revise myself.

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>> So, in the uh match the purchase price uh offer, did that include the 5%. >> No, >> it did not. >> These are negotiating strategies that were added to the motion to direct the staff to negotiate towards these things. >> Okay.

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>> Okay. But in the offer of the developer, I didn't hear the 5% added, but that's okay. I will I will amend my second for that. You want to how how does everyone feel about that? I thought I thought that was part of the offer. I apologize. Is that >> I asked specifically on that that was

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not part of the that's not not part of >> somebody else was. >> Should we take Should we strip that out then? What's the sentiment? >> Well, I >> we can we can ask them negotiate. >> I mean my understanding it's a negotiation. So >> yeah, >> they can always say no. >> Okay.

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>> Then yes, >> we have an amended motion and a revised second. Do we have discussion of the motion? The only discussion I would like to make is to make sure that all the the all of the presentations were good. They really were. But we have to we have to

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pick one. And this is why this this is the process. >> Thank you. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> I. >> Opposed? No. The motion is adopted. Now we move on to 8447. Council

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>> Before we do that, since Yes. Sorry. Since we're fresh, should we have the backup in line right now too? Should we have a motion for that? >> Oh, yes. I I was thinking they would be separate motions. >> No, I was thinking they would be in the same motion. So, >> well, because you said we had more to

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discuss. So, we might not have the same second like I I for me I would propose that Enigma Events be the second uh proposal that we consider if we are unable to come to an agreement with Fountain

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Square. I'm that I did. So, I didn't want to include that in the motion. I might be the only person who thinks that. >> Okay. Well, we can do it this way. That That's not how I thought we were going to do it, but that's okay. We can do it this way. So, >> um we're having discussion. Yes. You didn't make a motion.

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>> No, I did not. >> Discussion on Enigma as being a backup. >> Council member Kravitz, >> I just wanted to point out I don't think there's a huge risk in not deciding to backup right now. The only risk is that they let's say um break off negotiations

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with the first choice on like Wednesday after city council and then they have to wait two weeks to start. >> So that's really it's just timing I think for the most part. Correct me if I'm wrong. >> I I have to tell you I mean I hate some

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discussions are hard to have on television but unfortunately we work in the fishbowl and that's how we have to work. I would not vote in favor of selling either of these properties to Enigma without

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some very crafty craw clawback provisions. Um they've owned that Enigma Plaza as of last month. They've owned it for seven years and it's still not open. Now their engineer died early on.

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Obviously that set them back which is completely understandable. COVID supply chains the world went through that. Um this how many people have come and stood at that podium and yelled at us about

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doing something about this building that's been under construction since ancient Egypt, right? And it's still not open. I mean, they're putting in their presentation that it's this worldass destination, all that, and it may be. The building's

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beautiful. If you drive by, I won't take that away from them. It's nice, but it's not open. Um, and every step along the way for the past, not seven years, that'd be exaggerating. They didn't get site plan

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and everything approved, but for many years, we've taken one step forward and three back. I mean, they pave over on the city right away. They put pavers on the city street right away. They threaten to sue us every time they get crossways with

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community develop. And they threaten to call the media and go there. I I would I love their concept >> and I'm I'm I'm I'm good with their concept. And I ultimately I think their building is going to be beautiful. I mean, it's nice. I I I like it.

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But I would want some clawbacks on this that if they don't perform and meet certain performance metrics at certain timetables that we get the money, we give them their money back and we get the property back. We've been through this before. I mean, 30 years ago, we bought all that property and had to buy

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it back because those people didn't perform and then we got in a lawsuit and had to buy our property back that we gave to them. >> Yes. >> So, we bought the property twice. Yeah. Um, I have no problem with their concept. I got no problem with the concept on the other property either.

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Well, a little bit. But the concept's great. I mean, the big grassy field, the big screen, the overhead step. I don't like the design. If we do this, I would ask that whoever makes the motion. We don't It looks like a Macy's. Um, it we we need something that looks a little

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more temple terrace, but that's facade stuff. I mean, the basic bones of that building look fine, but I would I I won't vote for this unless we have some reassurance that we can hold them to certain performance standards because

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they have not been performing since we sold that property. And I'm sorry they're sitting here listening to me telling, but this is not our property. This is the people of this city's property, and they aren't happy with us right now. And I'm not looking my constituents in the face and saying we sold them another piece of property

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without some kind of >> I I mean how are people going to feel about you guys? All of us. >> So anyway, >> well and I I don't disagree with you. Um I the concept is what I do really like

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the concept >> and I would agree that there was there was a a a lot of u difficulty in completing the enigma project

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and we would definitely want to do ha have elements in this negotiation that protected the city. Um, but I didn't I don't think that's impossible to do. >> Yeah. My concern and I and I'd indicated

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back in the previous discussion to your point and I talked to I said it when the during the CRA that uh they had a lot of problems and I've blasted them in council in in open session in the past. Looking good. It's getting there. It's

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open. It's really nice looking. Um, but I too have received a lot of uh um what what what do you guys do? What's happening down there? It uh but what concerns me now is not so much the new project but for there's three other

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projects that they're also working on at the same time and how much of the concurrency could create delays much to your point there on on on this existing project. the concept. I I'm okay with

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it. Um I'm not real excited about the the open space. I think that's just it's it's going to be difficult in my mind to to to to rent those surrounding areas. Um knowing that, you know, a lot of people could potentially be out there and and just sitting there in the

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afternoon, not necessar evening, not necessarily buying anything. But that that's neither here or that's that's something that I'll go along with the group on. But my concern would to your point, mayor, the clawback if they can't produce and and get the project done

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and we don't have to do anything either. >> M I think a clawback provision should be in every contract we sign when it comes to real estate. I've said that before. If there's a total lack of performance, we should be able to get that property back for what we paid. I think that should be a standard clause that we put

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in every single thing that we do with a with our expectations attached. That's absolutely standard for me and I don't understand why it wasn't done before. But that being said, um I don't want to get into the weeds about what happened with Enigma Plaza, but I I have had

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coffee at um the coffee shop in Enigma Plaza uh twice in the last two days. My wife and I were there. We had wonderful cake and it was great. Um you can get a foot massage there as well now. So it is open and you know I encourage people to

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go and enjoy. Um, and it it has made a lot of progress and the the paving work that uh the developer has done on the north side of the parcel is very impressive where it says downtown Temple Terrace. It's very uh it's it's not just for him because everyone there sees it

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and it also benefits the adjoining businesses. Everyone can see that nice paving work and it's very characteristic now. So, I think he's done a very good job and it looks very nice. So, I just want to um let's not, you know, jump down one person's throat too much right

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now. Um so uh that being said uh if there is a lot of contention about who is the backup offer maybe we don't have to decide that right now because as as I mentioned if we end up not succeeding with um fountain shops then we can always decide later uh based on who's

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still around uh who we'd like to negotiate with. So if it's a big point of controversy then perhaps it's more expeditious to just move on to the next question. And I I did not know that there were businesses open there. I did not intentionally get that wrong. I didn't know that. So I apologize for

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that mistake. But um and again I I don't dislike the concept. I think it's terrific concept. I like the outdoor space. I like the activation. I like all of that. And perhaps you're right, council member. perhaps that clawback provisions or

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timets or milestones ought to be part of uh every land contract that we maybe that's maybe that's the case. Um if so um I mean I'd be okay with the concept. I just want some assurance to our constituents because I've been living

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constituents not happy with us for at least 5 years. So, um anyway, if anybody wants to try to craft this into a motion. Okay. Okay. Well, I will make a motion that we

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uh create a secondary we negotiate secondarily with Enigma Events in the event we are unable to come to an agreement with Fountain Square TT

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and the negotiation. We would like that to include uh parameters regarding project completion timelines and

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repercussions if they're not met along with a potential clawback of the property. Does that include is that is that enough? I >> think so. I can think of some friendly amendments

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that might be offered once it's seconded. >> Is there a second? >> I'm sorry, >> Mr. Paul. >> I know this is extremely out of character. Um, but the clarity in

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my notes does the same conditions that were repeated in the first, such as matching the price. Uh, >> well, we haven't gotten to that yet. >> Okay, >> you're jumping ahead. >> I'm sorry. >> As I said, there might be some friendly

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revisions, amendments offered. So, right now, we have a motion. Do we have a second? >> All right, I'll second for the amendments. Want to hear what they are. >> Okay. I would offer to the group you you mentioned clawback assurance. I I assume

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that means like benchmarks, timetables and consequences if they're not met. Yes, I added well I did state timeline and repercussions if time >> so I would also suggest that the group consider um the price

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and negotiating to asking price because they're quarter of a million dollars below asking price and I don't feel like they're in the best position to lowball. So that that would I I don't if I can offer I can't offer a friendly amendment

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unless I pass. >> No, last time this happened. For the record, the mayor pass the gavl to the vice mayor. Okay. >> Can I be recognized for a friendly amendment? >> Yes. Would you? >> I would offer a friendly amendment that we include that the negotiations include

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that the um offer be raised to the asking price. >> Yes. And yes. >> Okay, you reset. >> Oh gosh, this is >> You have it. You got to give it back now.

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>> I am returning the gavl. Give me the gladly back to the >> Okay, you accepted the amendment and you'd resect it. Okay. Are there other offers or other >> I'd like a qualification on this and this I don't want this I don't I really

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would rather not have the negoti if if the if the negotiation with um fountain I'm tired fountain square falls through we would initiate we would we'd authorize you to proceed with this the second send negotiation I I don't I

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don't really I don't want to hear about it sec I'm not saying you would but I don't want it to fall through and they'll say, "Oh, we didn't work with them. It's it's it's now we're not falling through enigma." How would you handle that? >> So, I I wouldn't just do it out of >> I know you wouldn't, but I'm just saying >> what I would do is if we got to that

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point, I'm not foreseeing it happening, but if we got to that point, then I would at a public at a meeting, I would let you know that we were unsuccessful in reaching the the parameters that were outlined in the motion. Uh there may be other reasons as well. I don't you know, anything could happen. Um, and because

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of that, then my recommendation would be to just move to the second your your motion that you're debating right now. If you if you approve it, just let you know that that's what we'd be doing. Assuming you would have any concerns, you'd let me know. If you didn't, we'd just automatically go there. It'd be I might even do another city manager

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report, you know, one evening in at a council meeting. >> Okay. Just so it's a contingency motion just in case. Okay. I just want to clarify that. >> Further discussion. >> He's frowning. Well, I'm just thinking. >> Okay.

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>> It gets harder as it gets later. Any other discussion of the motion? Council member, >> I just want to point out we have an uncontented offer, which is incredibly rare in real estate, especially for something like this. So, I think the likelihood that it well, verbal uncontingent offer. So, I think the likelihood that it will fall through is

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incredibly vanishingly small, uh, assuming that they have the cash or the financing in place. So, I don't think we have all that much to worry about. So I think we should expect for it to proceed smoothly if that's all as described. >> I would agree. Okay. All those in favor say I.

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>> I. >> I. >> Opposed. No nazs. All right. Very good. Motion is adopted. Now we are on to 8447. And we have three offers to discuss. TMA, Enigma,

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and Albby. So, who would like to open the discussions? >> Oh, I will. >> Vice Mayor Ch >> because I've got some sound recommendations that will not recommend anything. So, uh first uh TMA. Um I like

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TMA. I like uh their the concept. I like the u the site plan, the preliminary site plan, the the out building. I like all that. But I like the fact that they're going to go for uh local uh people running the shops. I think there could be some nice shops that are will

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be attractive to people on river in the park on river hills and coming up. That being said, I also like Enigma's uh plan. I'm not a big fan from the the uh uh 30,000 ft or 10,000 ft looking

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straight down. It just looks like three buildings because you don't see the the breezeway between the two. but it it just doesn't look as appealing to walk through to get down to the river. But I think that could be worked out. I also think there's some benefits to having the property next to their own property.

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Just uh some of that and I really like Albby too because it's got a signature standalone restaurant that used to be that on that property. So that's given everybody absolutely no opinion of what I like. >> No, it doesn't.

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>> But I had to say it all because I'm I'm torn. And there's benefits of all of them. So there >> that's it. You're going to stop there. >> I'm going to stop there and hear from somebody else. >> Okay. >> I'm waiting for the gavl. >> All right. All right. All right. So

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where we going with the three of these, ladies and gentlemen? Go ahead. >> Okay. Um All right. So to start with, Enigma and Albby have the highest offers. So that's already uh one

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item to consider. Uh I really like the connection along the uh Springdale Pond area. I like that it could easily link into the Enigma Plaza walkway.

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uh and it also resolves uh an outstanding legal issue. So, I think that that's also a benefit. Um on top of that, we've been promised a connection through to Riverside Park and since we're spending a lot of money on that, I

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think integrating it is important in any way that we can. And it does naturally gravitate much more toward Enigma Plaza and this south parcel park than it does toward the area north of Chicago. So, I think that if we can get a really solid

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integration there where the developer understands that that connection is going to help him as well as the park, uh, and give people maybe an opportunity to go to the park and then go to the plaza, uh, that'll be really valuable.

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Um, so those are my thoughts on that. I think in terms of the other offers, uh, I'm always a little bit skeptical of single tenant bids. um the success or failure of that project depends on that one tenant uh

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and it's always a little bit uncertain whether that one tenant will remain in good financial health. So in this case we're not only making a bet on Albby, we're also making a bet on Al Pasha and we haven't looked at their financials.

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So it sounds like they're very successful but we don't know. Uh it could be either way. Um, I'm sure they're very well regarded. I don't have any ne negative things to say about them. It's the first time I'm hearing of them. But in terms of our own due diligence process, in terms of the

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documents that we've requested, we don't know whether they are a very um viable concern or maybe just less so. So, that's that's just an extra risk factor there. And as I pointed out before, and I'm I'm glad that we've largely moved

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with that theme tonight. when you have an owner who owns the adjacent property and a main investment, they are really strongly incentivized to make sure that both of the investments succeed and not work at cross purposes. And so I think we did that with fountain

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shops and I was happy to see that. And even though fountain shops maybe aesthetically was not my favorite and wasn't, you know, I didn't like that it was oriented out toward 56th Street, but it had many other um pragmatic reasons in its favor. So I don't have any regrets about voting to move forward

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with that. Uh and I think the similar logic applies here with Enigma, but maybe even more so because um the north parcel there has already been laid out so that some of the parking exceeds uh its limit and more or less relies on the

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south parcel in order to function. So uh we've we've kind of created a situation there that will will give us a lot of a lot of synergies. Uh so that would be my my wish would be that we proceed with the enema group one on this uh quite

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clearly and I think we can work out the aesthetics a little bit. So that's that's where I'm at. >> Thank you council member. Other discussions >> yes I'm sorry sound extremely hypocritical which I'm not trying to be.

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My my first choice on on this particular parcel is enigma. My second choice is Al, but they're so close. It's it's almost it's indistinguishable. I I love the concept of going from the part of the bus stop. I know I'm harping on that, but that's going to suck people

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into the into the interior, the bus stop into the into Springdale Pond. I do like the concept of the restaurant overlooking Springdale Pond. that I think that that has not now, but I mean when it's fully developed and the park is up and running, I think it's going to

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be a significant um can't think of the words, a significant improvement in the area, and I'm anxious to do that. But on the same token going to your point about um um um Albi, I don't want to start we're not going to you're not suggesting we start getting

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involved in in vetting tenants because uh you know with as with without bash. Okay, good. Um but uh I don't want to get into that if we if I don't think we should do that. But uh I I would uh definitely I could definitely support negotiating with with uh Enigma at this

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point with Albby as a very close second. >> Um my preferred concept for this parcel is the Enigma events concept. I I think that

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having the restaurant that fronts the uh Springdale Pond, which will be improving and and integrating into the master plan uh pedestrian plan into the park, that that aligns with our plans and um what

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we're looking to see in that space. I would much prefer to go with a uh slight I don't want to go with a single restaurant or a single uh tenant concept. Um, I've just seen way too much

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of that when I was in, you know, with KPMG and that it's it's just it that makes or breaks a project and we've already had so much um difficulty in managing this full project

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from from the time the city purchased the property um I'm not sure 20ome years ago. So, I would rather have I I just my personal opinion is that a slightly larger project is going to help us with

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the viability, but the Enigma events concept is more closely aligned with what we're trying to do for that space. So, they are my preference. Need a motion. Well, if I can you gun you want to come back to you or

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are you good? >> Sure. No, I'm good. But that Enigma would be my first choice. Aldi I'll be second. >> Okay. So just my my first choice would be Enigma 2 notwithstanding everything

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that I said before about the I I I would want to see some really strict language about the ability to perform and the milestones along the way. I agree that having two properties next to each other

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solves a lot of problems. I mean there's a lot of benefit in that. Um I I do agree with that. I like the concept. I liked their other concept. Has nothing to do with the concept in my mind. Well, the problem is everything I described before. The Albby, I like that too. I

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was ecstatic when I looked at the backup material and I thought, "Oh my goodness, we have some tablecloth kind of restaurants coming. This is great. We've been trying to get dining." But I have to tell you with all due respect, we are out of balance in Temple Terrace. Just like Eore's out of balance

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with alcohol and tattoos, we're out of balance here. And we have tons and tons of dining and it's all Middle Eastern. We used to have Italian, Spanish, a steakhouse. We used to have an Armenian deli. We had Chinese restaurants. We had sports pubs and on and on and on. You

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could eat around the world in Temple Terrace. We used to called like the little Epcot. That's what we used to. And and because you could eat around the world here. Well, that's changed. And look out that window when we pull the blinds up. And that's a perfect snapshot

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of what 56th Street looks like now. And it's all Middle Eastern. And I love it. I mean, there's some good Middle Eastern food here. I don't deny that. If you want good Middle Eastern food, come to Temple Terrace because we have some really top-notch food. But it's all the

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same. And so I we don't need another the same. We need something different. We need our steak and nail back or, you know, whatever. We need Colombia. We need something. We need diversity. And uh so I like the enigma concept. I

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don't know how you put in deed restrictions that you've got to go towards some other I mean I don't know how you do that. You could put deed restrictions in there that you can't have hookah lounges or you can't I mean that's great but I this isn't meant to be anti- Middle East. I mean, if you got a Middle

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Eastern baker, that's fine. But the restaurant, we want something different in that space. And I don't know how we can put that in a contract. That seems a little excessive. But, um, get us a great Cuban restaurant. Get us

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something different than Middle Eastern food. So, anyway, I too like the Enigma. I just may want to make sure that we have some strong provisions in there to guarantee performance. my motion.

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>> Yeah. Somebody wants to make a motion. Sure. >> Okay. >> Well, let's decide before are we going to do the backup thing again because it's easier if we do it in one motion. >> We could do that. >> If you want a backup, we don't have to do a backup. >> I don't necessarily think we need a

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backup. Let us know. We can proceed. >> Yes, I agree. >> I don't think we need a backup. No. >> Okay. Uh, I move to authorize the city managers of city attorney to negotiate a purchase of sale agreement with um, Enigma

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Enigma Events LLC um for the development of the contemplated project at 8447 North 56 Street. Um, given the uh all the discussion points we've had about milestones and potential clawback

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provisions as required or as needed. um and the uh uh um assurance that we'll tie in as best tie in with the uh overall uh master pedestrian plan that's already been

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approved for the city. >> I think I covered everything. >> Second. >> Motion in a second. Discussion of the motion. >> Council member Kravitz, >> do we want to put something in there like uh you know the typical construction run is 24 months? like if they haven't finished it in 36 months

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that we exercise something along those lines or leave it leave it up to the discretion of the city attorney to negotiate something appropriate or >> I think we put that >> I don't know. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I think that the we put in the constraints and timets and in in the motion I believe is do do you

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need that are qualified? >> Okay, good. >> I don't I don't think we do. I think we can figure out okay milestones that would make sense sort of a typical construction milestone. Okay. That's my motion. Okay. We have a second.

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>> If there's no further discussion, all in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Opposed. No nays. There we go. Motion passes. Good discussion. Council, city manager report.

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>> Oh jeez. Um, >> the long I don't think I've got anything. Oh, no, actually. So, uh just just for the I guess for the public to know, um uh as I mentioned earlier, the uh the state legislature did approve uh

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moving a uh constitutional amendment to the ballot in November. Uh that will have an impact on uh all local governments, I should say, all uh county governments and and city governments at at a at a minimum. Um we will be looking

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at this with staff over the next uh several months, weeks and months uh and trying to digest its impacts moving forward. Uh the fiscal impacts from this ballot initiative would be felt this by the city for fiscal year 28.

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Um it would be uh would fiscal year 28 and 29 they're going to be phased in over two years and they will be dramatic. uh these will not these are not things that uh you can just you know um move things around and make the numbers work. We will not be able to make those numbers work. It will require

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some significant discussions on service provision and millage rates and things of that nature. So um some more to come as we learn more and uh that's all I have. I have a question for you and y >> well I guess it's really for the city

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attorney. Um but regarding the the proposed property tax measure that's on the ballot. We did discuss a little a while ago um what what we or the city staff is allowed to say

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regarding that proposal. it could you possibly put out some guidance so that um you know so that we don't misspeak I mean it it is going to have a big impact and we we want to be able to give people

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the correct information but we also don't want to come a foul of any kind of sunshine law or >> in fact what I'll do is u I'll recirculate the Florida League of Cities when this started several months ago they they had a a handbook put out precisely for this for this matter specifically for this matter

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to recirculate that that was provided uh to the league based on consultation with outside counsel and so it's been vetted and and uh I'll distribute that. >> I will add add something real quick to that. The guidance that we got on what we can and can't do regarding the geo

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bond that the ballot restrictions under statute is not the same. >> No. >> And so I did ask that that be distributed. It hasn't been done yet because it just passed today, but the um

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what we can and can't do is different for a ballot initiative than it is for the go bond. And so um yeah, I was going to bring that up, but thank you for Yes, Council Member Kravitz. U Mr. City Manager, um I think there's some

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excellent news about uh the Tiko connection south of Bullard for the peninsula. Maybe uh you could speak to that briefly. I don't have any updates from Mr. Brown recently. You may have something >> council update May 22nd. >> Oh, from the council. Yes, the last one.

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>> Yeah, the the they're doing the engineering design. >> So, they've done the engineering and design. Uh they've also added some reconductoring uh elements to the plan for this is for the the electrical system south of Bullard. Uh we are waiting on um uh scheduling from the

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actual folks at TCO will do which to do the installation. We were told that we may know the schedule within the next uh month basically. And so once once I have the information I will share it with the council. >> Yeah. Hope we'll all be able to look forward to more reliable power down south.

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>> Council member Schistler. >> Just just a followup to the debacle this afternoon. What I thought that again I I may not have seen the final version of what was passed. I thought there's a provision for $150,000 in 27th. Did that get cut?

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>> No. >> No. Yes, sir. >> My understanding. >> So, we will be impacted in the next budget cycle. No. >> Well, no. >> It'll it'll it starts right. So, that from a tax perspective from the property appraiser, it'll start January 1 and 27. It'll be reflected in our fiscal 28

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budget >> and that'll be 150 thou the exemption rising to 150,000 and then in in our the next year it'll be our up to 250,000. If this gets approved by the voter is it still needs to be voted on? >> Hopefully not.

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>> Any questions? Any other questions for the city manager? >> City attorney's report. Nothing tonight. Any questions for the city attorney? >> It's seven minutes. You could get >> Okay. Um, any other business to come before the council tonight before we

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adjourn? Okay, we will be adjourned.