Hey, Morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the August 19th meeting of the Temple Terrace City Council. It's nice to see so many people here tonight. Um, I'd like to remind everybody to please silence your electronic devices, and I
know somebody's going to miss that. The phone's going to go off, so you're going to somebody's going to be that guy. I promise. And so, if you would please stand and join me in the invocation and the pledge. Lord, we begin our meeting tonight in gratitude that we meet in freedom to
exercise a right of self-governance. Help us never to take this right purchased at so high a cost for granted. We ask for your guidance tonight that we might make good decisions that promote the common good of all in our amazing city. We thank you as always for our
terrific team of employees and volunteers. We ask you to bless them and their families. We pray also for all the students, teachers, and staff who are returning for the new school year. May they have a safe and productive year. Amen.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you everybody. So, for those of
you who don't frequently visit us, we have a tradition here in Temple Terrace whereby we begin each meeting with a brief uh fun or interesting fact about the history of our city or something uh something of note about our city or the
region that we live in. And so, we pass that duty back and forth. And I've noticed that when it falls on each of us, we've taken to try to find a standin. I think we're uh running out of novel ideas to share. And so uh I notice
my colleagues are taking the cheap way out of this, Vice Mayor. So tonight we have uh the honor of having one of our firefighters, Alec Hassie, is here on behalf of Mayor Schisler. So Alec, welcome. Hello, Mr. Mayor.
Hello. Members of council, staff. Uh my name is Alec Cassie. I'm a firefighter here with the city. And today I'm going to try to make uh a fun fact presentation for you guys. I'm not sure how fun it'll be, but we're going to go through the history of the Temple Terrace Fire Department from about the
1950s to about the 1975. So 25 years. I've broken this up into segments. If you guys ever want to have me back, I'll do the next 25 years. Oh, you'll be back. You'll be back. Yeah, of course. As a standin. Uh do we have the Okay, perfect. So, um,
I have a few photos, uh, to look at here. I'll kind of describe each of these images and kind of the time frame, uh, that they take place in. So, uh, during the 1950s, this was the official headquarters of the Temple Terrace Fire Department. It was the golf and country
club's uh, barn that they used to do maintenance around the golf course. So, at some point, they allowed the fire department to start using it. We were all volunteer back then. So this is from the 50s. Uh the city manager in this
photo, the mayor's in this photo, uh fire chief and the whole entire department. Uh very different than what we have today. Very modest uh compared to what we have today. Um can I use this to get
to though? Okay, perfect. All right. By 1956, uh, the city recognized the need to grow, began planning for the department's expansion. They were planning to build a fire station. Um, and that same year, they bought this fire apparatus, which was a
1956 Jeep Willys Commando 4x4. We don't have a whole lot of these left. Uh, a lot of the city back then was rural. A lot of brush fires were happening. So, this uh all-purpose
vehicle could get pretty much anywhere. It had a 35gallon water tank on it. I'm not sure how much fire they really were putting out. I think they just like driving the thing around. I mean, I'd like to drive that thing around. Um, and then I believe that's Sutton Hall that
it's that picture's taken in front of. 1959, I gave uh Vice Mayor Schistler uh the fire chief's badge. So, if you guys want to pass that around amongst yourselves,
uh, this was Bill Mchuan's badge. Um, a little smaller than what we have today. Kind of looks like the police department's badge. You see the city's seal in the middle of it. It's pretty Brian, can you get that? Probably pretty small. I don't know if he can. Yeah, that's why. Yeah.
Didn't want to hold it up. It small. Well, let's see. Yeah, not too bad. It is small. Close up. There you go. That's pretty good. Thank you, Brian. Nice hand modeling.
So, this was the first fire station that was actually built. It was a police and fire station. It was at 104 Bullard Parkway. Uh so nowadays, you know, we have both fire stations. We have the one on Bullard and then we have the one in Telecom. little bit different of an
operation than what we have here. Um, you know, police was with us in this small headquarters. It couldn't have been more than 800 square ft. Uh, police now third third story of city hall. So, we've come a long long way. And then to
think that in the future we could possibly have another combined police and fire station is just it's crazy cuz that was our roots. So, um, and then I have another picture here of outside of that station. They were doing
some training. Uh, at this point, this is actually a little after the 60s. This is when they were building station one, just for reference. Uh, they ended up tearing this building down. And before they tore it down, they did a whole bunch of fire training inside of it, tearing, you know, walls up and doing
forcible entry and stuff like that. So there's the building in front of what is currently station one. So you know when when I found this out, a lot of us didn't even know this building existed and it was right there on the corner of the of the property. So
there's a picture of it getting demolished. So So here's a picture of our first I would call it legitimate firetruck. It's a Ford C850. Uh this is the first fire truck that uses our current city's uh
threedigit numbering system. So it's pretty cool. This numbering system is still in place today. And that's the truck that it started with. And we kept this well into the 1990s. Was a 1962 and it lasted until the 90s. They used
it for training for the volunteers. In 1964, James Bailey became the volunteer fire chief. That's uh Mr. Bailey there with the glasses on. Uh this is again, this is a little after 1964. This is about 1978 when they bought the new ladder truck and they
were testing it out. Um but there he is there. 1967 marked a big turning point for TTFD. Uh we hired our first three paid firefighters. uh they were Lloyd Raisin, George Penner and Jim Bronson. So we transitioned from an all volunteer
department to a uh combination department, volunteer and career. Today we have over 50 career firefighters. Oh, and I'll mention in this photo, they're rebuilding the 1962 Ford fire truck. The engine blew up on
it. This is about the 1970s and the shift guys were rebuilding the engine. I don't think I don't think Chief Kemp would let us do that today. In 1969, James Bailey became the first paid fire chief. So, shortly after our
firefighters became paid, they started paying the fire chief. It makes sense. Makes sense that they'd pay him. Uh, and he was making $150 per month. he was still uh working only part-time, so they didn't want to pay him a full salary just yet. This photo was taken in 1972
after the firefighters organized the first union, local IFF260. Uh this gave them a formal voice in wages, benefits, and working conditions. And this is still the union that we have today. And you could see there the city seal in
the background. I believe that's here at city hall, but I might be mistaken on that. In 1974, the department added a Chevy custom C30. This is long before EMS and fire were combined. And this is what kind of jolted us in to EMS. So, this
truck had a bunch of band-aids and uh tourniquets and all sorts of stuff on it just to allow the department to uh give first aid mainly for the firefighters on fire related calls. If any of them got injured, they could help the other firefighters.
Uh but this laid the groundwork for medical care, which we have today. So, there's another picture of Chief Bailey that's inside of the current fire station. uh in 1975 he became the first full-time fire chief. So that's a
picture of him in his office and I think that's it. Okay. So we've come a long way as a fire department. Uh we're still growing a ton and uh you know to think back to being
in a barn that was given to us and thinking of where we're at now and where we're going is just it's incredible. So that's all I got for you guys today. I'm, you know, lucky to speak with you all. That was terrific. That was really good. Thank you.
I have one question. Were you in any of those pictures, James? I wasn't in them, but I drove I drove those trucks. Did you really? Okay. I love the picture of the old the mayor and city manager. I'm like, it's not the same one. Okay. Uh, next, I'd like to invite
Alicia Baker to the podium, please. Good evening. How are you? So, Alicia Baker is uh being recognized tonight as the July employee of the month. And for those of you visiting us, uh this is not selected by management.
This is selected by the employees themselves. And so, uh this is really a tremendous honor because the bar is pretty high among Temple Terrace employees to begin with. And for those people to select you as the employee of the month um really is uh that means
something when it's coming from your peers. So Alicia is a recreation leader for at the youth programs coordinator at the Temple Terrace Family Rec Center. Uh if you go to the rec center, you'll always see her. Uh she's not only loved and cherished by all the children in the
afterchool and summer camp programs, but she's earned the respect of her peers and loyalty from the children's parents as well. She has a consistent and calm presence with the children parents and staff have come to rely upon. Uh she addresses all parental inquiries and
concerns and manages participant behavior when necessary. That's a very kind term for that. Yes, Alicia has a can do attitude about everything she does and not just the youth program she coordinates. Uh she also helps with
other programs such as gymnastics, tennis, and others. This summer, she's shown an accept exceptional effort in making the programs fun for all the summer participants and staff, including planning field trips, organizing, and implementing daily act games, activities, and crafts. Alicia is always
seeking out new activities that are not only fun, but offer a learning process as well. For example, this summer, Alicia worked with Becky Zerella from the fire department. That's a scary team there. I'm glad I wasn't around for that. Um,
she worked with Becky from the fire department to introduce a fire safety and cooking class which all the kids enjoyed. Uh, in addition to coordinating a program activities, Alicia also hires and trains a small army of council camp counselors and junior counselors and provides supervision and guidance to all
her staff. Alicia has a shining personality and a positive attitude which is appreciated by all those who know her. And I would like to congratulate Alicia for being July's employee of the month. Would you like to say a few words? Yes. So, I just want to thank all my
co-workers for nominating me for employee of the month. I don't take it lightly and I don't take it for granted. Um, it warmed my heart that they thought of me to nominate me for employee of the month. Um, so it is a honor and a privilege to be the employee of the
month for July. Thank you. Let's give her a round. We have to stand up here so I know exactly where Mary wants us to be. Perfect. You take the st There you go. All right. Hold on. Let's get the leisure services
folks. Leisure services. Come on, Corey. Just a little bit. Perfect. Yes. Right there. All right. Thank you. Okay. Um, next up we have uh an appointment to our bicycle pedestrian
advisory committee. There's one vacancy on the BPAC or the bicycle pedestrian advisory committee. We received one application from Jonathan Forbes. I don't know if Mr. Forbes here. He is. Would you like to say a few words? You don't have to, but it's optional. You're here. Uh, welcome, Mr. Forbes.
Good evening. Good evening, Mr. Mayor. Good evening, council of staff. Um, my name is Jonathan Forbes. Live in Forest Park. Been here for about 11 years. uh this council appointed me to the county's BPAC in 2016 and in 2018 I
became chair for Hillsboro County and then transition to a citizen at large position. So um after 40 years of working in uh the insurance claims uh business and observing and managing over thousands of
accidents involving cars, pedestrians, and u bicyclists. Um, and now that I find myself here up in the city more, uh, I decided to apply for this position, uh, since I don't make really make my way down to downtown anymore.
So, uh, thank you for any consideration that you've given and, um, I can answer any questions if you have. Thank you, Mr. Forbes, and thanks for being here tonight. So, that's good. Thank you. Okay, council members, is there a motion? Motion to approve Mr. Forbes to the bicycle and pedestrian advisory
committee for the term. Can you can you specify the term please? Just so it's in the motion. I think it's uh I think the bicycle and pedestrian has two and threeear terms I think. Which one is the input? Doesn't say in the agenda.
Okay. It's August 19th through uh 2025 to August 19th, 2028. From the term extending from August 19th, 2025 to August 19th, 2028. Good. Thanks. Is there a second? Second. Motion to second. discussion. Very good. All those in favor say I.
I. Opposed? No. Nays. Thank you, Mr. Forbes, for your service. Has everybody had an opportunity to review the minutes from our August 5th council meeting? And if so, is there a motion? Move to approve. Second. Any discussion or additions to the
minutes? Council member Kravitz. One small amendment. Amendment to I believe it's 0.9. It's a little uncertain what's being discussed there. So, I wanted to amend it to read as follows. Um,
Council Member Kravitz asked again about a virtual meeting, noting that the motion carried on July 15th, 2025 required staff to hold two public information sessions with one in person and one via Zoom on water quality reporting and testing with the first session to occur within the next four weeks. City manager by stated that if
the council wanted an additional Zoom, the city could do it. That's my amendment. Let me I don't know about the rest. I'm trying to find Yeah. where you're reading. N. Yeah. Page seven. Yeah. Okay. Give me just one second. I'm
getting there as quick as I can. It just looks like I'm asking again and again to do a virtual meeting. It doesn't really explain why. And I remember very clearly that I read from the from the motion text. So add a little context there. I'm still not getting it. Let's see.
This seven of the minutes somewhere in there. Okay. Council member, I'm sorry to ask you to repeat yourself, but now that I'm looking at it, can you direct me what you're say say what you said again? Do you mind? Yeah, no problem at all. So, uh, the
original version reads, um, staff will take notes of comments and questions in person and from the streamed version and answer them and provide them on the city's website. Council member Kravitz asked again about a virtual meeting. City manager by stated that if the council wanted an
additional Zoom, the city could do it. So, it just looks like I keep asking about a virtual meeting without really explaining why. So to bring that in line with the recorded video, I just wanted to change that section out beginning with um council member Kravitz asked to read again about a virtual meeting
noting that the motion that carried on July 15th, 2025 required staff to hold two public information sessions with one in person and one via Zoom on water quality reporting and testing with the first session to occur within the next four weeks. So that was the verbatim text of the motion that carried. Yep.
And that is um what I read from on that day. and then city manager by stated that the council wanted etc etc. So it's really just inserting what I'm asking about instead of just saying that I'm asking about a virtual meeting because that wasn't really the point. I know we can have a virtual meeting. The point is that there's supposed to be one already coming in. That was the point that I was
making on that date and it's not really reflected in the minutes as it stands. Okay. Well, the council member is correct. His motion in July was very explicit about two town hall meetings, which is precisely why I voted against it because I didn't see the need for a
Zoom meeting, but the council did vote for that with my one descent. And so, um, seems like that's a more adequate reflection of what happened. I agree, which is why I'm moving to
adjust it accordingly. Okay. Now, we have a motion and a second. Now, we're asking for um amendments. So, Mr. Mueller, help me untangle this. Well, we probably should uh redo the motion that would be incorporating the change of uh the change to the minutes
as expressed by council member CR. Okay. So, the motion maker could revise the motion to include the recommended changes. Okay. Motion maker wished to do. Did you make a motion? I made the motion. Yes, that's that's fine. Move to approve the minutes as amended. Further clarification by council member
Kravitz and I seconded that. So I will again. Okay. Any other discussion of the minutes? Thanks. All those in fa Excuse me. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. No nays. Minutes are adopted. Person wishing persons wishing
to be heard on items not listed on the agenda or items on the consent agenda. Um, we do have forms in the back of the room for those of you who may be new, uh, back on the table back there if you wish to address the council at this time. Uh,
we do ask that there's a threeminut time limit imposed upon all public comment. All each speaker, not all the whole thing doesn't take three minutes. It's each speaker has a three-minute time limit. Uh, we do ask that speakers come to the podium and state your name and city of residence first. I currently
have one request to speak from Mr. Loe. Mr. Lo, you're recognized, sir. Charles Loe, Temple uh Ter Terrace Park. Uh I want to talk about two subjects tonight. Uh number one, I want to talk about update the situation over 52nd and
Fowler on the traffic light. Uh it is sort of working right now, but the thing about it is that the walk light is not working. Uh it's still on it. I'm kind and really it should have been done when the traffic light was activated August
7th. I am kind of wondering if the city uh could find out hopefully by the next meeting on September 2nd that the light the walk light will be activated to the benefit of the community and the benefit of the synagogue. But I'm hoping if it's not by done by the next meeting that it
will be uh at least you'll know what's going on with that because the light is on now as I mentioned August 5th. They started the flashing on August 7th. It is running green now but the walk light still is being covered and all that and
is no use in putting a walk area over there and not using the walk light. Now, the second thing I want to talk about briefly is my impressions of the town hall meeting. I was very impressed by it. Of course, I was very impressed by the turnout. And for those of you who don't know it and haven't seen the
August 20th paper of uh of the Beacon, uh it did mention 200 people in a very very good article about it. So, if you all haven't seen that, I can't contribute too much to uh what they have to say. I was very impressed by the some of the comments and even some of the
solutions that some of the people had uh that they offered to you all. Um, the only thing I could offer you, like I say, I still believe you could still find new ideas from the National League of Cities meeting. And also, I was a little bit alert, even though it didn't
help out, but it's a policy maybe to go look um and see if uh like when the city of Tampa is opening up the water like they did briefly over at 50th Street behind and uh uh just north of Bush Boulevard near the city line. So if you
want to get water from them, it would be an opportunity to keep in touch about what the city of Tampa is doing. But the main focus I want to talk about tonight is the is the one silver lining in this at least what I hope will be a silver lining. And this is not up to you all.
This is not up to the consultants or anything like that. This is up to up to individuals. There were 200 people there. People within this community learn to work together. I hope that people will be that will appreciate diversity of their neighbors and make
friendships with their neighbors. I really do and I want to stress this enough. You had plenty of people over there who now have a chance to meet each other and greet each other and appreciate the diversity within this community instead of viewing it as a negative or something like that or something that should be avoided. And it
also goes in, we had a nice crowd here tonight at the city council meeting, but it's always nice the more people put into this to you all. That's another thing sort of related, the more they're going to get out of it as the town hall meeting indicated. So again, I hope people will learn uh from this about
diverse opinions, learn to work together as individuals on their own choice, on their own time, and that they will be involved with you. So the more they put into government, the more they will get out of it. Thank you, and good evening. Thank you, Mr. I currently have no further requests to
address the council. So, is there I'm sorry. I I have a form back to you. I don't know who do I turn it to. Okay. Come on up, sir. And just give the form to the city clerk on your way up and and we'll be happy to hear from you. Just Yes, Miss Seder over here will take
it. Thank you, sir. I just um had reached out to a couple of city employees. We need your name first. Kelly Benjamin. Okay. Thank you, Mr. I'm a resident homeowner here in uh
Temple Terrace and I talked to some city leaders and employees and I don't know if this uh body has addressed this issue before. So, I thought I was encouraged to bring it to city council. Um and in May of this year, the journal of American um the medical association
published a peer-reviewed neurological study entitled the proximity to golf courses and the risk of Parkinson's disease. And uh this the study and this is you can find this online. the uh the study um found that the odds of
developing Parkinson's disease increased 126% for people living within uh one mile of a golf course compared to living within uh 6 milesi. The heightened risk persisted within um the the first three miles of uh living close to the golf
course but decreased beyond that. And uh the um correlation is that there's something being sprayed uh along suggests that the pesticide applications that could be uh the result of that. So, I was trying to
get some information on what was being sprayed out there and if that sort of risk is an issue here in our community and if anybody uh w within this elected body could provide any of those chemicals or examples or information regarding that or if anybody was
concerned uh cuz I've talked I'm on a few of the neighborhood group chats with um you know homeowners who live right on the golf course and they've expressed concerns. Um so I'll just leave it there. That's all I wanted to say. I wanted to ask about that. I wanted to see if uh if there was any comment from
this body on that or if anybody wanted any more information, I can email you the study and all the related press coverage that has received. Thank you, Mr. Benjamin. The council doesn't usually respond during public comment portion, but the city manager is making notes. Any suggestions for next steps on getting that?
No, not at this point. No, not not during this. This is not a dialogue portion. Okay. Well, it's on record. I guess there's a couple concerns out there and maybe we'll come back with a few more people and figure out a route to try and get those answers. Do you do you know of any route to to find out
if you've left our Okay. If you've left our your contact information on the form, then a member of our staff will re follow up with you to let you know what we can. They'll respond to you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Benjamin. Are there other members of the public
that I Okay. Very good. Council, is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? Move to approve the consent agenda. Second. All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. No. Nays. Consent agenda is adopted.
Next item is the first public hearing and first reading of ordinance 1582 amending chapter 12 article 11 entitled historic preservation. This item was tabled from our July 15, 2025 meeting.
Um, if it is acceptable to council to take this item off the table, uh, we first need a motion to take it off the table. Is there such a motion? I move to take it off the table and bring it up for discussion for the first reading and public hearing.
Second. Motion and a second. Discussion of the motion. Council member Kravitz. I think that taking it off the table is a little premature because to the best of my knowledge,
zero homes have still registered in this program. And I'd really just like to see some kind of outreach or some incentive produced to bring at least one person voluntarily into the program before we consider adjusting the code to make it
mandatory for people. So, I'd like to give the Historic Preservation Committee a little bit more time to go ahead and do that. Well, the motion made on July 15th was to table it until this meeting. Yes. So,
I don't think it's good to make a motion to table something to a date certain and have people show up to comment on it and then you don't take it off the table. So, that's my opinion. Is there other comment on the motion? I'm sorry. Hm.
I made the original table motion back in July and I move to bring it back. And we have a motion in a second. Is there further discussion on the motion? All those in favor of taking the item off the table say I. I. I. Opposed.
Okay. So, we will open the public hearing and I will ask our senior executive assistant Jeannie Barlo to please come to the podium and present. Good evening, mayor, council members, charter officers. Excuse me. Did we open the public
comment or public hearing? I did. Okay. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. I'm Jeannie Barlo. I'm the city manager assistant, and I'll be presenting an amendment to the city's historic preservation ordinance on first reading. the National Park. First, let's review
the National Park Services objection. The National Park Service stated that a provision in the city's ordinance, which outlined a local designation process for historic districts that required 100% owner consent was incompatible with the purpose of the local preservation
program and did not allow for adequate public participation in the program as required by the National Historic Preservation Act. As a result of the National Park Service objection, staff is recommending the removal of section 12160 A2
which states the following. The consent of all property owners of each property pro proposed for designation here shall be required prior to any action of by the board on a nomination for historical property designation and the written consent of all property owners within a
proposed historical district shall be required prior to any action by the board. But the city can allow for an objection process. The National Park Service permits an objection process for single property owners and more than 50% of
property owners in a district prior to designation. With this in mind, staff is recommending adding section 12160 A3, which states the following. In the event the owner of a property or the owners of more than 50% of the
properties within a district object in writing to the proposed designation either before or during the public hearing, then the application shall be withdrawn and not considered by the historic preservation board at that time. The city can also allow for a
modification of the boundaries of a district. There are provisions in other historic preservation ordinances which allow the governing body to modify the boundaries of her proposed historic district to exclude the properties of those who object to being in the
district. Staff is recommending revising the language in section 121602 to add the following. A decision to approve the designation of a historic district over an owner objection shall be by a majority vote of councel. Modification of the boundaries of a
proposed historic district is not a reversal of historic preservation board recommendation so long as the modification is within the area that was properly noticed. The proposed language provides council with two options. The council can decide
to approve the designation of a historic district over an owner objection or the council can decide to modify the boundaries of the proposed district to accommodate the objecting property owner as long as the modification is within the area that was properly noticed.
Well, let's investigate adding an appeal process. In researching a possible appeal process for property owners who object to historic district property designation, I reviewed the processes outlined in the historic preservation ordinances of Hillsboro County, the city
of Tampa, and the city of Plant City and found the following. Hillsboro County and the city of Plant City state that a property owner may appeal the designation to the district court to the circuit court of Hillsboro County. Plant City provides a 30-day time frame to
appeal the decision and the county provides a three-day time frame to appeal the decision. The city of Tampa states that an objection objecting property owner may abate the decision only if it's determined that an economic hardship exists. Staff is recommending adding
language similar to that of Hillsboro County and Plant City in section 12160 E5 to state the following. An objecting property owner may appeal the city council's decision to the circuit court in and for Hillsboro County, Florida.
Such appeal shall be by Rit of Cersiari and shall be filed within 30 days of the public hearing in which the city council's decision was made. Offering an appeal process for historic property, historic district property designations will allow for due process, promote
fairness, and offer an objecting property owner the right to challenge a decision regarding a property's historic designation. So, what exactly is the process for establishing a historic district? The nomination for historic district would
either have to be initiated by the IND individual individual property owner or by the historic preservation board. Creating a historic district in Temple Terrace involves a detailed process to include identifying the areas suitable for designation as a historic district.
The designated area will undergo a thorough survey and study to determine the age and significance of the building sites or structures within the proposed boundaries. This involves gathering information on the neighborhood's history, architectural styles, building types, and the overall character.
Surveys could cost anywhere from several hundred to sever thou se several thousand dollar per property depending on the information needed. After the surveys and studies have been completed, a report would need need to be prepared to demonstrate the areas association
with important events, activities or trends in the past, evaluating the integrity of the historic resources and potentially identifying them as worthy of preservation for their exceptional historical significance. Creating a historic district is a massive
undertaking and can only be successful when built upon the foundation of strong community involvement. So, we've discussed the benefits of becoming a CLG. But if the city decides not to become a CLG, we still have CLG
requirements in our ordinance. Several years ago, the city council held a workshop to discuss the certified local government process. At the conclusion of the workshop, it was the consensus of the council to pursue becoming a certified local government. As a result of the council's direction, staff worked
with the state historic preservation office to draft an ordinance pursuant to certified local government requirements. The ordinance, which was subsequently adopted on August 15, 2023, supports the city as a certified local government. If the council determines that it no longer
desires to pursue CLG status, there are still provisions in the ordinance which require the city to act as if it is. There are provisions in the ordinance that address the membership and operation of the historic preservation board. Provisions that address the inventory process of designated structures and provisions that address
notice requirements and submitt of monthly and annual reports to the historic preservation state office. provisions in the ordinance will necessitate the city's adhering to CLG requirements without having CLG status or access to CLG funds.
So, if we do become a CLG, do CLG requirements necessitate expensive repairs to historic properties? Regardless of CLG requirements, since historic homes are older than their more modern counterparts, they might they may require more extensive and expensive
repairs than newer homes. strictly because of their age. With that being said, the city's historic preservation ordinance requires adherence to standards for architectural review which are consistent with standards for rehabilitation which have been established by the secretary of interior
standards for rehabilitation. The standards were developed by the United States Secretary of the Interior and outline four treatment approaches: preservation, rehabilitation, restoration, and reconstruction for historic buildings. Each one intended to
promote preservation practices established in 1976. There are 10 standards under each approach. Each standard is purposefully vague and intended as general guidance, not technical assistance. These standards are not intended to be overly
restrictive, but rather provide a framework for making informed decisions about the treatment of historic properties. They offer guidance, not rigid rules, ensuring that changes are compatible with a histories with a property's historical character while
allowing for necessary adaptations for modern use. So, what about property values of historic properties? How does historic preservation impact property values? Researchers at the UN University of Florida and the Center for Urban
Policy Research at Rutgers University completed the state's first comprehensive assessment of the economic impact of historic preservation in 2022. As part of this study, researchers worked with geographic information system researchers and assessed values
for some 28,000 primarily single family residential properties representing 18 historic districts and 25 con comparison neighborhoods in eight Florida cities. The researchers reported that in at least 15 of 18 cases studied, properties
in historic districts appreciated greater than in non-historic comparison neighborhoods. No instance was found where historic designation depressed property values. So lastly, I would like to talk about CLG grant funds. As a
certified local government, Temple Terrace would be eligible to compete for pass through CLG comp subrants funded by the National Park Service that are only available to CLGs. In addition, match waiverss for small matching grants are available to CLGs. So, the match
requirement for grant funds of up to $50,000 would not be required for a CLG. The city could use the funds for collecting and archiving historic artifacts, museum development, historical markers, surveys, educational programs, training, and national
register nominations to name a few eligible projects. So, prior to gaining employment with the city of Temple Terrace, I was employed as Lake Helen city clerk. Lake Helen is a small community in Valuchia County with a population of less than 3,000. Although
this community was small, it had a fair number of historic structures which were situated within an area identified as the city's historic district. Also located in the historic district and serving as a central focal point in the community was Hopkins Hall, which dates
back to 1897 when it opened with a gala dance on Christmas Eve. Hopkins Hall serves as the community center and hosts many city and community events throughout the year and is also the polling place for the community's elections. Over the years, Hawkins Hall deteriorated and was in need in
rehabilitation, but the community lacked the funds needed to restore the community center. I applied for and subsequently received two separate grant awards totaling $265,000 which were used to rehabilitate Hopkins
Hall in 2007. Grant funding for historic renovations are available for those seeking funding assistance. So certified local governments are municipalities that have demonstrated through a certification process a commitment to local preservation and saving the past
for future generations. These are the proposed revisions to the historic preservation ordinance on first reading. Be happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Miss Barlo. Well done. So we I currently have one request to speak from the public from Mr. Joe Frell.
Don't go too far, Miss Barlo, please. Mr. Ferrell, how are you? Good evening. My name is Joe Ferrell. I'm the vice president of public affairs for the Sun Coast Tampa Association of Realtors. We represent 25,000 real estate professionals in the Tampa Bay area. And quite often we go before local
governments when it comes to property uh rights issues, including ones like historic preservation. And I will agree with a lot of what she just said. One of the we are not opposed to historic preservation. We believe that a lot of places it makes a lot of sense. And there are places in Temple Terrace where
it makes sense. Our concern though is when the bar of attaining a community designation for a certain area isn't high enough to respect the property rights of people that have invested majority of their personal wealth into that property. You know, when we all sign onto that dotted line and we get
that deed, it comes with the rights and responsibilities. And we have to remember that a lot of people bought a property outside of a deed restricted community for a reason. and she is right on a lot of things. It does raise the cost of owning a home. It raises the cost of the insurance on a home
typically nationally anywhere from seven to 10%. Um, but we just believe that part of the pro the one of the main concerns that we have is that if you're going to have it, so it's a pro possibility where the objection period
has to have at least 50% during the objection period that 50% of the people have to put in writing that they oppose this. That is a lower that's a rather low bar. In fact, that might be the lowest bar that any of my uh compatri U people that I work with have been able
to find. It is much higher in places like St. Petersburg, Dun Eden, even the city of Tampa for a community designation. It the bar is higher to get it done. And quite simply, it's because how many people show up when they're upset? A lot. But when somebody people
really want something and they come and group or something, it's harder to get a hold of people. and said, "How many times you mail them and find out how do you feel about this?" So, we hope that maybe that that ratio could be flipped that if you want it, 50% of the property owners within a designated area would
have to have in writing that they'd want it. Um, that that's a good place to start. Um, I'd also like to say this is that I uh one other thing is that it it does raise the property values of a community. We're not going to fight that or dispute that. But one of the things you have to remember also is when you
designate a community as historic, you lose a lot of the development rights. So comparing those 28,000 properties in the state of Florida in that that study, that is apples to apples. But if you have the right to develop your property, you can turn your apple into an orange
and that orange may have a lot more value than that apple. Quite simply, if you have a 2,000T home and you add 300 ft² to the back of it, that will raise the property value far more than what the historic designation of that property in historic neighborhood will raise it. Whereas that study does not
take that into account. It just basically if you have two properties and one doesn't really change the material square footage of it or let's say you had a pool, things along those lines, it doesn't take that into account. So that's why we say this. We think places should be historically protected. We just think the bar should be raised a
little bit. Thank you, Mr. Perl. Are there other members of the public who wish to comment? I see we have our historic preservation board here. Good all of us. Good evening. Hi. Uh hello. I'm Margot um Temple
Terrace resident. I'm also your last name and for the record Marggo Chavez. Thank you. Uh, I'm also a volunteer on the historic preservation board and I just wanted to say a quick word in support of the work that Miss Barlo has done and many others over years um,
engaging the public, doing research um, and developing things uh, to get Temple Terrace certified local government status. Um, I think our city has unique character and historic value that's worth preserving and a CLG will only
help the city strengthen its preservation efforts um by facilitating a voluntary preservation program that will benefit residents who choose to participate um but also the city at large by bringing in resources and promoting
community pride. And uh without the support from the city council, uh these efforts can't uh move forward. And I think as we all know, our city just celebrated its its 100th birthday. And I can't think of a better way to recognize
the city's unique story and history um than by supporting the ongoing efforts toward a CLG. So thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chavez. Are there other members of the public who wish to comment? Seeing none, council members, any questions? I would like to stress at
this point, this is not discussion or comments. This is a question period. So, council member Kravitz, yield the floor to Mr. I I called you, Council Member K. I the floor to Mr. Chambers. Yeah. Hand up. Okay. You're recognized. Are you are you forfeiting your turn? I'm yielding the floor since I have it
to council member Chambers. That's how it works. I may not call you again. Council member Chambers. Okay. Um uh Miss Chavez, thank you for your comments. Is this a an opinion of just you or the rest of the historic preservation board? Have you heard this
item and do does the board as a board agree with it? This is just my personal opinion. Um I wasn't sure if I was going to make a statement, but I prepared one just in case. Um the board wasn't aware of it and they didn't have any influence on
what I said tonight. Okay. Thank you, Council Member. May I ask Miss Chavez a question while she's up there? No, you can't. Now, you gave up your turn. Council member Fernandez, I have a couple questions for Miss Barlo. Okay. Um, so one is in a district. If we
establish a historic district and there are homes within that geographic area that don't have historical significance, what happens to those? It would be non-contributing properties. Okay. And with regard to the percentage
of participation, I can you tell me where um other places are in their requirement of St. Pete was brought up specifically as having a higher bar to meet in order to create a
historic district. In order to be a CLG, the owners of more than 50% of the properties would have to object in writing. That's the minimum allowed. Uh I know like the city of Tampa doesn't
even address this kind of um percentage. When we spoke when the city attorney and I spoke with uh Dennis Fernandez who's the historic preservation manager, he said that pretty much they never see many objections because they have a very
wellestablished education program. And he said once people are aware of what is involved and they are part of the process and they understand the value of it. He said that you don't see many who object. So, city of Tampa doesn't have
an issue with objections. What about do you did you look at St. Pete when you were doing your research? I did not. Okay. I guess I So, basically then in order to qualify as a CLG, the process
has to be that someone proposes a CLG, whether it's a a homeowner or the historic preservation board. You mean historic district? sorry, historic district. They they propose a a geographical area as a historic district
that then within that geographical area either 50% of the property owners have to say we don't want to participate in a historic district whereby it would not proceed. Right. Or specific houses that are in that
district could be excluded. Yes, could be carved out. They could the council has the option to modify the boundaries to carve out the properties who don't want to participate. But in both cases, it's the property
owners having to object versus the property owners choosing to join. True. But it is also an immense community engagement process. uh you have to I mean that's depends on the success of the district is community
involvement uh you have to uh have public meetings you have to do public notice you have to have u media social media it it just it's a an awareness program so that people know what's going on so everybody is involved in the
process those are my questions Vice Mayor. Yes. Thank you, Miss Bra. Good presentation. I don't want to beat this horse too much to death, but I just want to make sure that everybody's on the same page with this, myself included. The current
ordinance that we have now has been rejected by, tell me when I'm wrong, been rejected by uh Washington because or the feds, whoever, because we it's a we we we we we're claiming it's totally voluntary. Okay.
and they're saying that it needs to be more mandatory or more inclusive. What they're saying is that if you propose a historic district and you don't have 100% owner consent, they don't like that one property can ruin it for the whole district.
Okay. Okay. But the that u the option to carve out a house on on a block or whatever um exists and so you have an appeal process that would you know come back to the council and if the council
still said yes it has to happen then that homeowner has the option of going to county court for red cersiari to to to become excluded. Right. Is that true? Yes. Okay. Um, by us adopting the new language, we we s
we cure that issue with with with the park service. Is that correct? That's correct. They agreed both to the modification of the boundaries and the appeal process. Okay. Thank you. Good job. Thank you, M. Barlo. A question. Can you walk us
through because it's been going on for quite a while now, actually a couple years since we first passed this. So originally we didn't want any district provision in our historic ordinance because we don't have a historic district. Our stuff is scattered around.
Mediterranean revivals. They they will not accommodate. Okay. So can you please remind us and walk us through why we're discussing districts at all? As part of the CLG process in the ordinance, it has to mention districts,
the potential for districts. Okay. So we were compelled to have districts even though it doesn't fit our city. Correct. We don't have anything that would even meet a district currently. Right. Okay. And then we passed our ordinance, submitted it to
the state and it was approved, but when it got to the National Park Service, correct? The they objected to the district portion, which we didn't want in there to begin with. Correct. Okay. Okay. Thank you. So, I'll close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read
the title of the ordinance. Discussion has not closed. Point of order. I asked to be recognized early. You yielded. I'm sorry. That's not how Robert's rules of order works. Everyone gets to speak until everyone has said everything they want to say and then the discussion can begin. But you yielded. I called on you. I'm asking for the floor again before
this public comment before the Okay. So, Robert's rules also says that the chair recognizes those people that want to ask questions. You don't get to pick the order that you get called on. There is no order of being called. There's the chair has a responsibility of recognizing who wants to ask. So if
you want to sit here and parse Robert's rules of orders, we can do that until midnight. Okay? But when I call on you, you don't get to decide who gets to talk. That is the chair's responsibility. And whether you like it or not, these people voted be to be the
mayor. Mayor Ross, this is not grade school where people go in order. This is city council. You will you will be recognized. I promise I always recognize you and you will continue to be recognized. You closed just now, but not everyone who wished to speak had had an opportunity.
Everybody who wished to speak was recognized and you forfeited. You you yielded. You do not forfeit your right to speak. It is inherent in the office. You you yielded. And if you do that again, I will pass you by again. Now I will reopen. Excuse me. I have done this before and you have the right to speak more than
once in a council session. Yes, you do. You have the right. Just because I yield doesn't mean that I cannot once again ask for the floor when the person who has had the floor previously has finished speaking which is the case here. Okay. I will reopen the public hearing for the purpose of recognizing council member
Kravitz. You're very kind. Yes, I am. Now ask your question. Thank you for following the rules. All right. Very sorry about that. So the question that I have is this. Sutenhal is the
elephant in the room. I'm reading through this ordinance and I'm thinking if we're going to force anyone to be historically protected, it would make sense that we would perhaps have targeted something like Sutton Hall. But if I go through this, I'm seeing that
the decision to approve an historic district can be made over the owner objection, but not an individual building. Correct. So, so my question is, is there a facility in this to force an individual building? No, there is not. It has to be the consent of the property owner for an
individual property. And then my other question is you were discussing grant issuance. Now, if we cannot create a district because of the unique historic layout of our city, the grants cannot be issued except to a district. Is that correct?
No. The grants. Yes. No. No. No. Grants can be issued to the city. The city can apply for the grants. Okay. cities and nonprofits. So my interpretation was incorrect just now
when I saw through the slides when a building is an individual historic landmark it can apply for a grant even if it is not within a district but we need to have these districts in order to apply for these grants. No, you need to be a you need to have a
local designation. You don't need to be a district. Okay. Thanks. Yes. And now I yield the floor. Thank you. Close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance. An ordinance of the city of Temple
Terrace, Florida, amending chapter 12, article 11 of the Temple Terrace Code of Ordinances entitled historic preservation removing section 12-1160A2 and adding section 12-1160A3
regarding consent of property owners for a proposed historic designation or district. Revising section 121160E2 regarding modification of the boundaries of a proposed historic district and
adding section 12-1160E regarding an appeal process providing for severability repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict herewith. providing authority to codify providing an effective date.
Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh ladies and gentlemen, is there a motion? Move to approve on first reading um uh ordinance 1582 amending chapter 12 article uh uh nine um entitled historic preservation.
I think it's article 11. I'm sorry. 11. Looks like my ink. Motion second discussion. Council member Fernandez. Um, so to answer the question that I when we're talking about districts, yes,
none of our Mediterranean Revival houses would be in a position for us to create a district. However, where the concern is is that as time goes on, then other neighborhoods do become historic and
mid-century modern homes do have a layout that is conducive to creating districts in some areas of the city. So, so the districts even though they won't apply to the 1925s
time period can apply to the 1950s homes as they approach. And so that's that's why I personally have the concern that we've in not being uh 100% voluntary. But um
and then to answer the question about the grants. So for people listening that it it might have sounded a little confusing. We the city would need to be a certified local government in order to apply for
apply for and receive the grants. But that could then be used in various historical applications throughout the city, whether a property was in a district or a standalone property. And
because the National Park Service did not agree with our ordinance, they are the ones that approve a a city to become a certified local government. So that's why we are discussing the
district now. So, I do I I do would like to know what maybe some of the other cities are doing that are locally that have been referenced that maybe don't have as
low a threshold to uh create a historic preservation district. But, um overall, I you know, I'm in favor of historic preservation. I I think it's important for an area, but I also want to balance that with the property rights of the
owner. Those are my comments. Council member Chambers. Yeah, I wasn't at the first meeting, so um all I could u get was from the video, so I was and the minutes I wasn't part of the discussion. But part of the first meeting and the tableabling seemed to be
that there were some questions um that I think Miss Barlo answered and some of the changes that I seen in the ordinance from it was first prevented a presented a couple meetings ago. So I'm comfortable moving forward and this is the first reading. So maybe some of your
questions about what other cities are doing or their thresholds could be answered before the next one. But I'm comfortable with this. Vice Mayor, I made the motion. I'm to I'm totally comfortable with it. I just wouldn't, you know, we had a lot of nashing of teeth over Sutton Hall and we have an
opportunity to potentially build a program that would prevent something like that in the future of of the demolition. I I find it hypocritical for us to say, "Well, no, no, no, no. We don't want to do this if if if you know,
whatever, we we we appear schizophrenic on the issue." So, I I'm totally in favor of it, and I think I think we need to move forward with it. Um there's enough of a hill to climb in order to make it um a designated district. There's a lot that has to happen, a lot
of education as well as the the the the the barrier, not barriers, but the side rails that allow for um u mitigation of the individuals. There's an appeal process. And there there is there is a way for uh uh people who
really don't want to participate to actually not to participate in the end. And I think that that's sufficient enough for what we need to do. And I'm totally in favor of it. Council member McCitz, I'm just going to speak this for the record. So, my issues with it are as follows.
The historic preservation board was created based on council direction uh several years ago. That is correct. Ordinance um 1550 was created based on council direction. That is also correct. This ordinance that's on the table right
now is initiated by staff and not by city council. It's sort of a reversal of democracy and that we are supposed to be legislating. This was initiated without council direction. So what we're discussing here today and all of the energy that's being expended on this
doesn't have anything to do with what anyone up here voted to do unfortunately and I think that's really depressing. Um I also want to point out that in the ordinance it says that the principal structure is at least 50 years old. That puts us at 1975. So, a building from
1974 could be a historic structure under the phrasing of this ordinance, which encompasses all mid-century architecture in Temple Terrace. So, literally any house that I would consider mid-century, which is up to 1969, would fall under this ordinance
potentially. The way that this ordinance is written is also a problem in my view. People are not being left alone. They're being created into an historic district against their will or without their expression of will. They're not being
asked yes or no. They're just being made into an historic district. And then they have to go doortodoor and collect signatures or they have to file written objections with the city. People have busy lives. They don't have the time to
deal with something like this. and they certainly do not have time to go to court and fight a designation if that's not something that they want. I speak to people all the time who don't want to be in an HOA and this creates rules that
will be very similar to an HOA. I am going to be working on an historic project with for listed building next week. It's not my first one. I like preserving those kinds of buildings. They're great, but they're hard and it's not something
that you can just do without a lot of experience. Many times the rules that are applied to these listed buildings say that you have to use very specific materials that you have to use workmanship that's in a very specific manner. For example, um rock lathe is a
style of drywall that might be required in an historic building. You might need expert plasterers in order to restore certain features. uh you might not be able to use certain building materials. For example, if a building originally had a wooden window, you wouldn't be allowed to use one using
a PVC or vinyl frame. You'd need to have one carpentered as a wooden framed window. These are all things that can be required. So, the idea that there's a pot of gold waiting if we adopt this is, in my opinion, erroneous. The costs of these buildings are high. They are not
easy to do. And that is why I think that putting people through this trouble is not a good idea when after I believe 2 years now almost the historic preservation board has failed to get a single person to voluntarily protect
their home and on top of that the one building that everyone in Temple Terrace did care about. Sutton Hall was torn down and would not be encompassed by this ordinance at all because it cannot be applied against an individual
building against the building owner's will. It can only be done against an entire district. But Sutton Hall is a standalone individual structure. It is not a district. And so we wouldn't have even be able to protect that using this ordinance. So in my opinion, for all of
those reasons, I'm going to be a no vote on this. Even though I love historic buildings and even though I'd really love to see the Historic Protection Board spend some of the energy that's putting behind this to go doortodoor and find someone with a house prior to 1975 to voluntarily sign up for their
program. They've had over a year and a half. Find one person in Temple Terrace one and I will be a yes vote on this. I've said that previously. Still, not a single person has voluntarily protected their house as an historic listed
building in this city, which I find to be unfortunate, but also kind of understandable given all the things that I just said. So, I yield the floor. You will. Um, ladies and gentlemen, first of all, I'd like to thank the members of our historic preservation board who are present here. I think are
all present here. I think the whole board is here. And so, uh, thank you for your service on this. and and uh I don't believe that outreach is part of the the uh scope of work for the board, but I I've been to your meetings. Thank you
for what you do. I share some of your concerns. Um but I'd like to talk about that a little bit. So, first of all, this didn't originate by staff when we first talked about this in 2021. I think we passed it in 2022 23 was it? Somewhere in there. It took a
while to get it done. We first started talking about it probably almost a year before we passed it. But the endgame of getting certified local government was part of the talk from the very first beginning. That's not new. And when we ran in the process of obtaining our CLG
is where we've run into these things. It's taken a couple of years for some of these things to perk up from National Park Service. We had to change some things previously because the state had some issues. So we had to revise. So this isn't something that we passed an ordinance and then somebody in staff
just thought, well, we'll go for COG and they'll start that. No, that was from the very beginning. So I hear what you're saying about the the uh because the whole council, which is changing composition a little bit, but the entire council has always been committed to our
public that we're not going to put this on you against your will. This is we've all been committed to this being voluntary. Um this has taken a bit of a shift because of this district provision that we didn't even really want the district provision to begin with and now
when we put that in on a voluntary basis then National Park Services no you can't do that. So this language that we're being required to put is a little unnerving to me too when you start talking about compelling people to become a district
and when some of the people don't want to and I hear what everybody's saying. I don't I would not be in favor of that either. But I have to say when I read the criteria for designation, I think the risk of a district being
compelled to become a district in our city is extremely unlikely. I mean this is like getting struck by lightning four times in one day or something. I mean it's like the the the criteria are properties or districts which are significant to the city history, architecture, archaeology, culture,
possess an integrity of location, design, setting, materials, workmanships, association. All right. So mid modern mid-century modern architecture, the Florida houses that I grew up in, they're ubiquitous. I mean that that was
just every house in Florida in the 1940s and 50s. They're not really anything. Um, properties or districts which were associated with distinctive elements of social, political, or economic, scientific, religious, prehistoric, or architectural history that doesn't fit mid-century modern neighborhoods.
Um, properties are districts which are associated with the lives of persons significant in the city, station, state, or nation's past. That's really an individual property really not a district. Certainly not in temple terrorists. properties are districts which embody the distinctive
characteristic of a type, period, style or method of construction or work of a master um or that possess high artistic value or that represent a distinguishable entity whose components may lack individual distinction. I don't I just don't see this fitting
like entire neighborhood of mid-century modern properties or districts which have yielded or likely to yield information about the prehistory or history of the city or properties or districts which are listed on the national registry. And so I just don't
think I I really I can't imagine a future city council up here first of all defining an entire neighborhood of mid century modern with these criteria and then voting
against residents who don't want to be part of it. I mean we all know what life is like on the council. I mean it's hard to vote against something that people don't want. I mean, you you got to go to Publix one sooner or later you're going to get hungry, right? And so I just
really if I thought that this was going to result in people being forced into a program, I would vote against this. Also, I don't see that happening. The other thing about to me if we don't go for CLG we've really kind of wasted our time in
getting as far as we have because that's the real nugget of having the historic preservation to begin with is to have the CLG designation. We are doing more. I I I know your passion for Temple Terrace history and I
applaud that by the way. But I we're doing more. We have it in our budget. Our FY26 budget includes money for climate controlled storage because we are getting people to give us their artifacts that have been in their homes
for years. And so we have accumulated already uh thanks to some big help from some people in the audience here. Um and we hope to expand that program. Now, I I certainly can't guarantee that we are going to be successful in getting a CLG
grant to help us pay for that storage, but I absolutely know with 100% certainty that if we don't have CLG, we're not going to get any money. And the same is true when we talk about a museum. You know, in a few years, we're going to be vacating, the police department is going to be vacating the
third floor of this building. Now, I don't know what it's going to become. I'm not promising it's going to be a museum. I don't know. But where we'll have some space and potentially could do some exhibiting, you know, exhibit some of these artifacts that we get, there may be some funding. I I would think
that would be very likely that there would be some funding available for that. Now, there's no promise. So, anyhow, I I share your concerns, but I think I I just for for those watching and those listening, if I really thought that you were in jeopardy of getting
forced into a district, there's no way I would vote for this. I don't think that is ever going to happen to anybody in this city. We just don't have that kind of place. So, anyway, I'll be voting in favor. We do have a motion in a second.
Is there further discussion? Council member Kravitz, I just want to address two points that were made. First of all, I stand by what I said before. This is not from city council. I asked the city manager who initiated this agenda item. And at first, he told me, Genie Barlo. And then after that, he said it was himself. And
I also want to mention one other thing. This is something that I elaborated on last time as well. I'm just going to go through it very briefly one more time about how historic districts are created. You look at an ensemble of buildings. That means it's a variety of different buildings. They don't all have to be pristine examples associated with
a famous person. It's just that they collectively are an architectural landmark, right? So they can be better or worse buildings all thrown together. We don't have to look very far to see where this would start. Look at point F. Properties or districts which are listed
in the National Register of Historic Places are a criteria for designation. Temple Terrace Golf Course is in the National Register of Historic Places. All you would need to do to create an ensemble out of everything around the golf course is to say all of the houses that are around the golf course, which
is itself a national monument, historic monument, you would encompass one or two city blocks from the golf course and then suddenly thousands of houses in Temple Terrace are all in one single historic district. That's all it takes.
So, I think we're all going to cast a vote up here. And I think we don't really know exactly how these processes go. And I think that we owe it to the people in Temple Terrace to first of all only change the law when it comes from one of us or has been directed to do so
by one of us. And I think also secondly that we should really discuss how these historic districts are created, what they mean, because there's been a ton of discussion about it and I for one would love to see a presentation on it by the city attorney. So, I'd be happy to make a motion to that effect or a second one
if someone else would like to make a motion to that effect about, for example, how an historic district may or may not come about based on the fact that we actually have a what is it 750 acre historic monument in our bu in our city which takes up I guess probably
what 20ome% 30% of the entire mass of the city the land area. So to say that we're completely invulnerable to this happening, as has been suggested a moment ago, is incredibly beside the point and ignores a gigantic historic
monument that is central to our entire town. And I yield. Council member Fernandez. Do I do want to clarify when the city council discussed a historic preservation ordinance, we
did specifically discuss becoming a certified local government. So, the text may be coming from city staff researching it, but we did give direction to look at becoming a certified local government. So, I just I
just want to clarify that. Um, but I I too and I understand what the mayor is saying about not necessarily seeing how districts could be pulled up, but I go to a lot of historic cities as Savannah,
Charleston, St. Augustine, and I I've seen so I I do happen to agree that I think we could end up with whole streets of of properties being certified. And now I
want historic preservation, but at the same time, it concerns me that nobody to date in the city has brought their property into a historic historically designated state, which tells me that
maybe our residents don't want historic preservation as much as I would like to see historic preservation. And that would be my concern moving forward with the ordinance
where it's less voluntary than what we prefer. So anyway, those are just the comments I wanted to make. Okay. So there's a motion for approval and a second. All those in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. Nay.
Two nays. Two. Council member Kravitz. Council member Kravitz and Council Member Fernandez. Okay, next item is a resolution approving phase one design services for the Temple Terrace public safety complex to PBK. Our deputy chief of police,
Chris Mills, is here to explain. Morning or morning, afternoon, evening, chief. Good evening, mayor. It's sometime during the day. Good evening, mayor, council members. Deputy Chief Chris Mills Police Department. The city of Temple Terrace intends to construct a new public safety complex located at 7911 Harney Road and
has selected PBK to lead phase one of the project following a competitive procurement process. A formal RFQ was issued publicly and several firms submitted proposals. PBK was chosen based on the strong qualifications, prior experience, and demonstrated understanding of the police department's
facility needs. This selection ensures compliance with city procurement requirements and secures the most qualified partner for this important phase. To initiate the effort, PBK has submitted a proposal to provide architectural and engineers engineering services that include developing three conceptual site plans, block diagrams,
draft renderings, and cost estimates for city council review. One of the conceptual site plans will include space for the police department with the option to add a fire department in the future, while the remaining two plans will feature a fully integrated facility housing both the police department headquarters and fire station
3. Additional services under this phase include site analysis, updated needs assessments, participation in public meetings, reszoning application support, and photorealistic ren renderings with a flyaround video of the selected design. The conceptual design phase will support
the city's public engagement efforts and serve as a key component of future bond referendum. The total cost for phase one is $199,235. This includes $160,435 for conceptual design, $26,800 for resoning efforts, 6,000 for exterior
renderings, and 6,000 for the flyaround video. Funding will come from account 001-1411-521.62-41 and is already included in the current year's approved budget. It is recommended the city council approve a resolution approving phase 1
architectural and engineering design services for the temple terrace public safety complex to PBK in the amount of 199,235. With that I stand for questions. I also have representatives from PBK here um Amy Weber Brow and Ward Frislowski that
can um answer any questions that you may have about the scope of work or the contract involved. Thank you, Chief. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item? Seeing none, council members, other questions? Council member Fernandez.
So this what we're looking at is PBK would be uh actually creating the design. So when they are going through this project, have we asked them to create a design that's phasable as well
as a design that would encompass uh the fire fire station and police on the same property adjoined? Like what what have we asked them to do in regard to this? So, so any any every every design they're going to
do for us will have a fire department. Whether it's added together at the beginning or at a later date, it will be added at some point. We have several, like I said, we have three different plans. One, Raph Badges has the police department only with plans to add a
future uh fire department later. And then we have two that are going to be the police department and the fire department for the conceptual designs for PBK. Okay. So if so for the plan that would be the police department only that plan are they also going to site a
fire department on the property as in u knowing where egress ingress and where it would actually be cited for a later build date or will it be okay this is where we're putting the police department and we'll figure that out later. Want to come over to Bry speak on this a
little bit. Good evening. Good evening. Yes, very good question. So, we just need your name on Ward for Zelaskki PBK architecture uh and Amy Bradlo. Um so, uh the answer is yes. We're going to look at it
holistically, but then give you the option to either uh build the design and build the uh police station alone or with the fire fire department immediately or in the future. So, we're going to look at it not only with the building, but parking, storm water
retention, ingress and egress, all of those things. So, we're going to kind of master plan the whole thing and then give you the option as to whether you either want to or can afford to do just the police station or the police and fire uh independently or together.
Okay. And then at the same time, will you be as part of this showing us the the project drainage, storm water retention, etc. that needs to be done to for the entire project, not just if
we build one piece at a time? Yes. So, we have a civil engineering component to this. So, we'll be looking at that uh right from the very beginning. all of those things uh you know uh grading drainage ingress egress
uh storm water retention as well as functionality aesthetics really everything thank you council member vice mayor yes um what's the time frame anticipated time frame for completion
we have not uh set the schedule we'd want to move it as quickly as possible some of that's going to be depending on availability of uh the police department, fire department staff to work with us. We know ultimately the goal is to have a public referendum in
November of 2026. So, um, what we've talked about in, you know, internally is we know there are there are things that relate to that, for example, you have to get to supervisor elections and have that ballot language way ahead of time. So, we're going to kind of work that
schedule backwards and then give ample time. Obviously, you know, we're going to come back uh to show you things, uh go to the public, um kind of have that educational campaign to all be set for that November 2026 uh referendum. So,
we're anxious to move it along quickly, but we also realize that um we want to be cognizant about the time that the police, fire staff, and all of you need um to to make sure that decision we're not rushing decisions for you. Thank you.
questions. A question for Chief. Um, thank you very much. Thank you, Chief. I know five acres sounds like a lot of property, but by the time you put fire station on one end and police department and then the retention and the parking and all that, I mean, it you
eat up five acres pretty quick. Are you I I don't want to think we need to expand the cost of the design with this because we don't have the money for all this upfront anyway, but are you keeping in mind if there's any space left on the
property, the orientation of the buildings is, in other words, if you have a little spot here and a little spot here and a little spot here, it'd be better to have a bigger spot where maybe you could put a fire tower or maybe you could put a some, you K9 training facility or you know it you
don't need a huge spot of land to do something of that nature. So are you keeping that in mind when they orient the buildings to say well you know can you put it a little bit over here so we could put make better use of that land that we don't need. Yeah we are. We've had conversations about that and they're ongoing. I mean
everything that you touched on there we've had conversations about it. We've been talking okay um I do would like if nobody has any other questions I would like to say one thing. Um, you know, when I started here almost 16 years ago, everybody talked about a police department, a police department to be built and it's taken quite some time,
but um, I'm I know us as a police department and and whole are very grateful to everybody in the city, the council, city manager, everybody that's involved with everything. Um, it's very exciting time for us and we greatly appreciate it. And I just want to close it with that.
Designing it for $200,000 and building it for 300. This is correct. But this is the start and this is uh something that's it's taken a while for at least us to get to this point and it's we're closer than we've ever been. So good. Okay. Council members, if there's
no further discussion, is there a motion? Move to approve move to move to approve a resolution approving approving phase one architectural and engineering design services for the Temple Terrace Public Safety Complex to PPK in the amount of
$195,235. Second motion second. Discussion of the motion. Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. I. Oppose. No names. Thank you, Chief. Thank you. Next item is a resolution approving the final site plan SP25-04
for Berea Pediatrics located at 234 Bullard Parkway. Our senior planner, Alyssa Livingstone, is here back with us again to present. Alysa living. Do we need to uh do exparte again? Yeah, we should because we did it CRA.
We should uh it's a great idea. So I'll if anybody has had any exparte communications about this matter. Microphone microphone if any members of the council have had any exparte communications regarding
this matter or uh even the next matter coming up. Uh if they've been verbal communications just please uh indicate who you had those communications with when and where they occurred. If they uh are written communications, then we
would just need to get that to the uh uh city to the city clerk for uh going into the record. Good. Um only email regarding the future ribbon cutting. I've had none. I've had none. I had one verbal conversation with I believe it
was a Julie Grande uh last Thursday I believe and it was just um as a petitioner expect expounding on the uh hope for approval right now did you discuss any of the sub
no nothing discussed I've had none good thank you Miss Livingstone so this presentation ation. This presentation is for the consideration of approval for site plan
SPR 25004 for Bera Pediatrics. The property is 1.45 acres in size. The proposed use is for a medical office of 7,721
square ft which is consistent with the current zoning and uses of the adjacent parcels. This is in the redevelopment area. There are medical offices to the west. To the north there are single family
residences. To the east there are office buildings. And to the south there is municipal property and multifamily residential. Okay. So this is the overall site plan
for the project. The white unshaded area to the center bottom of the image near the pond, it represents the historic portion of the structure that will be preserved.
The gray shaded area represents the nonhistoric addition to the rear that will be removed to make way for the new pediatric center expansion. There are 41 proposed parking spaces to
the north and the east of the lot, two of which will be ADA compliant. their proposed five bicycle racks and there'll be two retention ponds on the site, one to the west and one to the south. There
will be two full access points to this site. The main entrance will be to the east along Richdale Road and to the north on Flo Avenue. There will be an outdoor play area for the children to the north of the
proposed expansion. Note that the building is set back from the Bullard Parkway thoroughare. So waiverss related to the redevelopment area requirements were requested. The landscape plan included in the
submittal package follows the city's LDC's requirements. If you look to the southwest of the site, you'll see that there's a tree cluster that will remain. There were four requested CRA waiverss.
The way the existing structure is positioned, which is the white unshaded area on the on the site, it is set back from Bullard Parkway. So it would not be feasible to abide by the CRA requirements listed
above. The first one, the proposed building addition is located on the site in such a way that it preserves the layout of the existing historic building at the souththeast corner of the site.
Because the proposed building addition is set back from the main thoroughfare of Bullard Parkway, the pedestrian streetscape requirement would provide minimal benefit or impact. The third, the proposed building addition is designed in a manner that it preserves
the historic building at the souththeast corner of the site. And if you look to the screen, you'll see that the there is it's proposed that they will keep the building with a blank wall. So this will keep the street frontage keeping the
street frontage building walls blank would ensure that the historic character of the building is altered minimally. Here are the general requested waiverss. There will be a storm water pond to the south of the site.
The site plan proposes access from Richdale Road and Floto Avenue. The existing driveway access from Bullard Parkway will be eliminated as it is too close to the intersection with Richdale
Road. This is sheet C1 of the plan set. To the northwest of the parcel, this area highlights easements to be granted to the city for future utility improvements.
On the east side of the property, the proposed sidewalk will meander between public right of way and private property. The applicant will grant an easement for the portion that falls on private
property. Here's the north elevations. Here are the south elevations. Here is the east elevation. If you look to the left of the screen, you will see the historic portion of the
building that will be preserved. Here are the west elevations. These are the exterior renderings. The applicant has made an effort to keep the historic character of the existing
structure as seen here. The proposed signage is designed to align with existing Mediterranean revival architectural structure prevalent in the city of Temple Terrace. This is consistent with the city's
aesthetic. There will be painted stock finish as well on the monument signs. The outdoor play area will feature a curved tree bench, a balance beam, two
picnic tables, a mulched pathway, and a playhouse. This will be to the north of the proposed building expansion. There will be a metal fence installed around the playground.
There are seven conditions with this approval. These include standard conditions regarding date stamp and plans, land development code language and easements to be granted to the city.
The easement to be granted to the west property line is for future utility improvements. The easement to be granted to the east is for sidewalks that are proposed. The applicant will be responsible for
all costs associated with these easements. We'd like to note that the business owners and the project engineers are present in the audience this evening and they are available for questions.
Thank you. Thank you, Miss Livingstone. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item? And council member questions. Council member Fernandez. Uh yes, I have two questions. One is
regarding the storm water retention ponds. Are those the the ponds that are proposed on there? Are those um that's part of the storm water retention? The one to the south will be a dry pond
and the one to the west will be a wet pond. Where would where will the ponds drain when we do have a heavy rain event? Okay. So, I don't have the Thank you for that question. I can get with city staff and engineers to provide you with the
answer for that. Okay. After the meeting. Okay. And the reason I'm asking is because when when we had u our last hurricane and we had uh I know that some ponds and some of the drainage in that area is actually maintained by Hillsboro
County. And I just want to make sure that any capacity that we're looking at that will integrate with their um you know with what they have. And then um the only other question I have for you is parking.
It looks like one of our project might have the answer to your questions. Not to interrupt you, but he he's telling me you might have the answer. Thank you. Yeah. My name is Matt Dotus. I'm the partner at Cicada, the architectural firm um designing this for um the Varagus. So, our civil engineer work
closely with the city's engineering department to identify the proper amount of drainage per all of your codes and um where it all ties into into your storm water system. Those plans have been submitted and um approved by your city's engineering department. So, all of that
is in our civil plans and I I'm sure we'd be happy to share them. Uh but yeah, that that's all in there and has been reviewed by uh Kim Ford. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Um, so then my only other question is is just parking and just to ensure that we do we looked at the
parking requirements and that this does meet what the needs would be for this building. So per per what was required, 26 parking spaces were actually required and the applicant has provided 41 oh proposed parking spaces. So they
exceeded what was required. Okay. All right. Thank you, Council Member. Yes. Um, back to the retention ponds real quick. On the slide, where is the wet pond? It would be to the west of the Let me
get to it. To the west. Okay. And on my one on my backup doesn't have it. A question. Well, that's the dry pond. That's the wet pond. Is the wet pond required to have a fencing since it's going to have water in it all
the time and we have children all around it? Thank you for that question. Well, I mean the build our building staff for our people should know if a wet palm's required to have pencils. Somebody stand up. Yeah. Thank
that requirement is going to be based on the slope and grade of the shoulders and I don't believe that's going to be the scenario in this case. Okay. It'll be a standalone as as you see it on site plan. And one of the developers people shaking his head, but he got to come up and put it on the record, please. I'm sorry.
No, that's okay. Um, so the the wet pond was a late addition after our civil engineer was working with um Kim to work out all the u storm water retention. And so he and Kim work closely to make sure the design met your standards, but I
don't have a a straight answer for you exactly on the fencing, but I know his slopes were um shallow enough where there's not a steep slope into that pond. Okay. Thank you. Mhm. Thank you, Vice Mayor. I have a couple have three questions.
One, how is the old building going to be incorporated into the overall facility? Got to read the backup. You got to read the backup. It's all in there. I can answer this question. Uh my name is Diani Roarge. I'm an architect also
with Cicada. uh facilitated the um design and the the best way I can put this is the um existing historic structure is cited in a way where it faces Bullard and we wanted to create an addition uh that has a small connection
point and kind of grows um beyond that in the back. Um, and by positioning this addition in the rear of the site, we um, we kind of made the we wanted the historic building to be more significant so that you would see that first on the
site and it wouldn't be uh, surrounded too much visually by the new building. Does that answer your question? What about traffic issues? Oh, yes, Alicia. So, we're we're actually um anticipating
helping resolve some of the existing traffic issues by removing the current exit onto Boulder Parkway right now. So, we've moved the entrances into the um into the clinic off of the the main thoroughfare and eliminated that Bullard Parkway um access that's on the corner
there. Okay. But the um particularly on Ridgedale, I know that the in the afternoons in the afternoons when school lets out that area gets quite congested. Yeah. Um how was how is that going to be mitigated if there's any issues?
Our civil engineer provided uh traffic counts to the planning department as part of our overall proposal that have been reviewed by your engineering department and everybody's everybody's happy with that. Access point to the north of Florida. Yeah, exactly. Is that is that going to be the main issue is coming a main Yeah, I'm sorry.
The main is on. Yes. Yeah, the main will be off. All right. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Um the last question is how many trees are going to be affected on the property on the west side? There will be one grand that's going to be affected um due to the fact that
we're trying to preserve the finished floor of the existing historic structures. So, we need to grade down significantly um on the parking lot side. So, unfortunately, we worked with the arborist to try and save the one grand that's on the the north side. uh but weren't able to do it just in because of the slopes weren't working
out. So, we're eliminating that, but then also replacing that one grand with a significant amount of other landscaping um to make up for it. Okay. Thank you. Council member, whose idea was the playground? Um that was uh Dr. Vera and Juliana's.
It's fantastic and I love this whole concept. It's amazing. And thank you for doing this in Temple Terrace and the people who were making proposals for downtown should learn from you. Thank you. Um
I I don't have any questions. Okay. So, is there a motion? Move to approve the final site plan SPR25-04 for Berea Pediatrics located at 234 Bullard Parkway.
Second. Motion. Second. discussion. Do we need to say with conditions and waivers as presented? Probably with with the conditions and waivers as pres presented by staff. Quick question. Did we do any type of public comment on this? I forgot. We did. We did. All right.
Yep, we did. So, the amended motion is to for approval um including this the included waiverss. Yes. And conditions as suggest as um identified by staff. We second. Okay. Motion second. discussion.
I just have one comment. Um I I really appreciate the effort that you've put into preserving the existing historical structure and I also like the playground idea. My children are much older now, but I would have appreciated it a long time ago. Um but I I appreciate the
investment that you are making in our community. I have a comment, too. I've got to echo that too. uh except for the part about I don't have any children so they wouldn't have enjoyed the playground but uh I appreciate the effort and let's get this thing built.
Okay. I I just like to say echo my colleagues up here. I this I was looking the past couple of days at this backup material and looking at the the specifics and I just love what you're doing here. This is terrific. um to the architects that
put this together, the what you're doing with the site plan and and promoting and preserving that house. Uh it's really really terrific. And so I do hope, Mr. Pauly, that somebody has at least talked to them. I'm sure you have about our historical preservation program for the
new house. So Mr. Robinson, and there may be and there may then there may be some uh tax incentives for for doing that, too. So thank you, Mr. living Miss Livingstone and thank you very much and so thank you.
Good job. All those in favor say I. I opposed. No nays. Site plan is approved. Next issue is a resolution approving a contract with biotech consulting LLC for
Urban Forest Services and authorizing the city manager to execute the contract. our community development director, Greg Polly, and our city arbor's Joe Ferris are both here to explain. Good evening. Well, good evening and thank you again uh mayor and city council for the
opportunity to speak on this item. This item is uh listed as AD on tonight's agenda and it is the resolution that you just spoke of. I'd like to provide a bit of background information. Um earlier this year uh on April 21st RFP 2550 was published
seeking responses from qualified firms to provide urban forest services throughout the community. The services uh were broken into three primary project goals. The first is a tree inventory and condition assessment for
all trees on city property having a DBH or diameter at breast height of 12 in or greater. The second project goal is a citywide urban canopy assessment. And finally, the third project goal included in the RFP is a comprehensive urban forest
management plan. Four firms responded to the RFP and were evaluated by the evaluation committee. The evaluation committee was chaired by Mr. Joe Ferris, our city arborist, and included the staff from our public works department as well as our parks and
recreation department. At this time, I'd like to pass the microphone to Mr. Ferris. He'll be able to provide uh additional background on the committee's actions and uh how the selection went. Thank you. Welcome, Mr. Ferris. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, council members, city staff. Um the committee review of
the submitts consist of a multi-step process. During the evaluation period, the committee completed the detailed reviews of each submitt and agreed that two of the consulting firms should be added to our short list. After having the opportunity to meet with both firms,
the committee voted unanimously to award the project to Biotech Consulting. The committee based our decision on the following one, the timeline in which Biotech was proposed to complete the project, which is in a 3-month period uh beginning uh first part of September
through the middle of November. Um, two was Biotech's commitment to details and attention during the project to ensure the city will be their main focus in providing all that we've asked for in each of the set goals. Three, Biotech
has proposed to have one set of their team in the field to complete goal one at the same time running a parallel team to complete goal two. They also are committed to open communication through the project by providing weekly updates
um with time for the city to review and respond with uh comments. Overall, the committee felt that Biotech Consulting would provide the city with the highest level of customer service focusing on the city's need to complete this project. And I would like to note that the entire
contract, all 103 pages, is in your backup material and it's also available for public review. Um uh I would ask that uh if found acceptable uh staff recommends that this council approve an award uh of a contract to Biotech
Consulting LLC for urban forest services in the amount of $53,500 to be funded by the city's tree and landscape beautifification fund. Um, I would like to add that uh our project manager from biotech could not be with
us this evening due to a conflict in his schedule. However, we do have um the assigned environmental scientist that's on this project. He's in the room with us. Um it's uh Mr. Evanwigley over here in the green po in the green shirt and
he will be available to respond to any questions that you may have uh regarding his firm or the services that they intend to provide. And with that, I will stand for any questions you may have for us. Thank you, Mr. Paulie. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on
this item? Seeing none, council members, other questions? Council member Fernandez. Um, so for city staff, is this an item that we have had that we budgeted for our 2026 or fiscal year
2026 budget? Um, you know, I know we didn't have the exact amount, but did we anticipate something? We actually had this in the FY25 budget. Uh, we put in a placeholder of $25,000. Uh, obviously came in at 53500.
It is being paid from the tree fund. uh which I think is a very appropriate use of those dollars uh since we're looking to strengthen the canopy with the study. So can you for for the people that might be watching can you describe what deliverable this uh analysis or this
study will show? I'll be happy to uh give you the um highle uh version of that. I think Mr. Ferris could probably drill down even smaller depending on the detail and then I'm sure Mr. Quigley could even provide
details that I'm not even aware of at this point. Um, I can tell you that um, historically up until this point in time, city staff has never had information available to actively, and I'm going to use the word proactively,
manage our urban forest canopy. We simply haven't had it. Our efforts have been of a responsive nature. This information will catalog and inventory everything that is located on public
lands uh within the um criteria of the project that are considered sustainable trees. They they've reached a maturity of 12 in or greater at DBH, which measures 54 in above the grade. So these
are what we would consider trees that we truly want to take care of, that we want to protect, and that we want to provide uh opportunities to expand our canopy. Um so this is going to give staff an opportunity to be proactive and not reactive. And then the the last part of
this is going to um provide staff today and staff years down the road an effective management plan to not only uh preserve the current urban canopy, but there is a metric within the information
that's referred to as the PPA, which is the potential planting areas. It's going to help our staff identify where we should be planting trees in the future. Thank you, Member Chambers. Yeah. For for the group, can you explain again um u the locations that this uh
study would be doing? You said city city properties, but right away golf course, anything like that? Um give me one second, please, and I will pull that up for you. We are including in the scope of the project
um the designated parks and public spaces. Um I can certainly list them if you'd like me to. The entire list is in the is on page 19 of the RFP in the packet material. Um, we are also including all of the city's primary forward- facing facilities. All of our
buildings, all of our facilities. What we're not including is, uh, the well stations and the lift stations and things of that nature, but all the forward- facing primary facilities are included. Um, we are also including, we have three designated preserves throughout our community. We have the
Riverfront Preserve, we have the Scout Park Preserve, and we have the West West River Preserve. Um, we're not asking the consultant to go count trees in those preserves, but we are asking the uh the consultant to include those trees when they do their aerial imagery for that
canopy, the conditions of that canopy. And then lastly, we have the uh all of the city maintained and designated roadways and rights of way. Um, that will not include county and state maintained roadways and rights of way.
And it also does not include properties that are leased uh beyond what the city currently maintains. Uh your question about golf course that would fall under the least property condition. So even though that is its
own um topic altogether for trees, it's not included in this work. Okay. Thank you. Mhm. Voice mayor. My question's been answered. Council member Kravitz. Yeah. Um there's a six-month time frame for it. I think for this project,
it's actually shorter than that, sir. How how much shorter? I believe it's three months. Three months. They're they're proposed um again to start the 1st of September and be completed middle of November. Part of the how they're able to do that is as I explained that have two teams. The first
goal um one is the inventory um and they'll have a team on the ground doing that while the second team is analyzing all the aerial um canopy coverage. So they'll be doing that simultaneously so that it allows them to do this quicker than you know might normally be done.
Multiast a little bit faster. Yeah. I don't mean to summon the furies by accident but what if there's a hurricane? We're going into that period right now. Yeah. I'm sure they would take that in consideration that that that could prolong it. Yes. I mean obviously we are in that still in that yet. Okay. So is there a is there a mechanism
for dealing with that delay contractually or like does the contract just automatically continue or what's the the the contract is not uh is not bound by that projection. Um that is a projection that was provided by the uh vendor. Got it.
And um we understand that there may be uh adjustments that need to be made to that. And did I understand correctly that the trees on the golf course will not be inventoried specifically as such, but that they will be included in the canopy analysis? That is correct. Um, we've asked the way
that the canopy analysis is done is it's done largely through satellite imagery and there's a lot of there's a lot of science and technology behind that that I'm not prepared to speak on, but um we've asked that the entire city be included in that portion of the project.
Um, for obvious reasons, we could not include the entire city uh in the counting and labeling. I mean, they're literally going to count, identify, provide identification serial numbers for each tree um and provide us a database. So, we could we had to draw
the line at some point. Sounds fantastic. And I hope that ends up in the document management system at some point. Um, very good. I just have one more item um before I forget. Um the um the funding for this, thank you.
Is um that coming from the tree fund, could the tree fund money be used for this rather than general fund? Um we have uh recommended for your consideration that it be paid from the tree fund. Um the uh tree fund has three
primary funding purposes. Um one is to facilitate the adopt a tree program. The other is the planting of trees on public lands which shall be uh at the city's uh discretion. And then the third is the removal of sick, dying, infested,
dangerous, and dead trees on public lands. We believe that the second and third bullet points included in the code work. Um could not this could not fit better. We believe it fits perfectly for that. Fully agree. So when I read this, I see general ledger account, etc., etc. Is
that going to be from the tree fund? I'm going to try to answer that, but I might have to refer to the finance director. It's my understanding that the tree fund per se is an equity account that the monies uh rest in until needed
and then when they are needed for expense purposes, they are routed through the various accounts that you see. And in this case, this would be our expense account that would pay this contractual service. I'm not sure I I'm not sure I understand. So, is it coming from the tree fund then or?
Yes, it is. Okay, good. Just making sure that we're not spending money that we could put to good use elsewhere. Okay, that's just an account number. Got it. Thanks very much. The money comes from that restricted free fund for that purpose.
Just for the for the microphone, he said it's from a restricted account. It'll go through there eventually. That's how what I understood. Okay. Jim Ingram, finance director. Good evening, uh, mayor and city council. Um,
that, uh, the tree fund as businesses pay into it or any kind of mitigation fee is paid into it, that is a separate pot of money, a separate part from the general fund balance,
unassigned balance. And so this will be paid uh using that account number. That's just accounting. And it will come from the balance which is about 1.4 million
right now. It will come and draw that balance down. Thank you. Okay. Well, nothing else. I have a quick question. Um, most of it's been answered, but I we do have some historical data concerning our tree
canopy. It's been mapped before by USF using LAR, and they have used that against some historical aerials. They've actually determined, I don't know how long, it's been five or six years, I think, since they did it, but they determined that our tree canopy had actually grown by, I think, 70 acres.
Don't quote me on that, but that's what it comes to mind over like a decade. So tree canopy now that's of course that was before hurricane Milton so I don't know what the but when we are mapping our canopy
couple questions one will there be any comparison to our historical data to be able to say canopy's growing it's shrinking it's static it's the same and will it be in the format so that when we do this again in six or seven years we
can then make that same comparison cuz I think to put this in 3D you really need to okay this is what it is today but how is it compared to a decade ago and a decade from now which way are we going so can you describe that
I'd like to start on that and then I'm pass over to Mr. bigly to talk about how his uh team actually does it. Um from a city perspective, when the RFP was published, it called out the division of forestry um tree statewide tree canopy
which drills down to the municipality level. So we actually have historical data available through the state archive um that goes back 12 years and it's uh parsed every four years if I recall.
Now, um to to add to that a bit, the next 4-year period would be this year. They are not doing it. They they've shared with us that they are not doing it. And so, we would be able to rely on our data and compare it to 4 years, 8
years, and 12 years previous history. And would you like to add to that? Uh Evan Quigley, thank you, mayor, and council for having me. Um so the canopy data would be adding to historical data and giving you a sense of how the
canopyy's grown, what areas you could plant, uh the community types of tree community types, uh giving you a direction of growth and a sign to you know you can see where you
want to go with that direction. um it'll it'll be actionable and a management plan will guide you but also be adjustable based on uh the wants and needs of the city. Great. Thank you very much, Mr. Quigley. Thank you.
All right, council. Is there a motion? Yes. Uh move to approve the contract with Biotech Consulting LLC for urban forest services and authorize the city manager to execute the contract. Second motion. Second discussion.
All those in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. No names. Thank you very much, gentlemen. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Any carryover council business from previous carryover council business? Seeing none, new business and board
reports. Our first item under new business is consideration of the proposals to purchase and develop properties located at the Temple Terrace redevelopment area. In our previous CRA, Community Redevelopment Agency meeting at 5:00 prior to this meeting, the board
recommended to advanced one proposal, uh, which we will now hear. Um, and Mr. Community Development Director, Greg Paulie, will kick it off. Well, thank you again, Mr. Mayor and City Council. Um, as you've just uh
reviewed, um, the project for 8901 North 56th Street presented by the Courtzside Group uh, entitled Blazing Paddles um was approved in the CRA board
earlier to advance to this process. Uh, in just a few moments I will invite the developers to come forward and make their individual presentation. After the council has seen the presentation, I'd like to recommend that city council consider one or more of the following
act options. Um, council may choose by motion to accept uh the proposal as it's been submitted and direct the city manager and city attorney to uh initiate the contract process with the um
developer. Council may choose by motion to accept uh the project, but discuss additionally some of the terms and conditions um or waiverss that have been requested and um ask the city manager and the city
attorney to initiate negotiations that would help land uh terms, conditions, and potential waiverss that the that are more in line with the city's interest. Or finally, council may choose not to take any action at all. And if uh if
that be your pleasure, uh by the end of this presentation, um the doorway will remain open and the developer will hopefully uh learn from any discussion and make amendments to come back at a future time. uh we don't want to talk
about setting a future time or anything of that nature because uh as long as the property is on the market, our brokers are actively working to collect leads. So, we would not disqualify or or hold the place if if it's not accepted
through tonight. Um there's no expectation or obligation for city council to do any of the above tonight. Um, and um, first I'd like to ask, do you have any questions of the review process or the uh, the request recommended
recommended request from staff? Council member Kravitz. Actually, I'm curious. Um, I'm assuming that not every single offer you received was let through. So, I'm wondering why this offer specifically was let through given that
it doesn't meet most of the requirements in the proposal. If you recall from our discussion in February, we had a very robust discussion and um in layman's terms, uh we we took away from that meeting a
direction to loosen the reins a bit and to allow um projects to come forward that may not have been uh presented in the past. Um, we believe that this uh project uh checks enough of those boxes to at least have an audience in front of
you and uh hear and at least speak to you directly, present their project and um allow you to make decisions and consider it. So, when I'm looking at the purchase proposal requirements, the language I'm looking at is still the old language,
but it's now being read differently, or was there an update made to the actual proposal requirements? the proposal requirements. I'm not sure exactly which page or which piece you're looking at. Um the proposal requirements have um
have for the most part stayed whole as far as what our brokers are using to vet uh potential buyer and developer. So that part has for the most part stayed whole. What we've done is we've allowed
we've we've put them kind of at the backside instead of holding them as a roadblock on the front side. Does that answer your question? I gather that the proposal requirements were not changed in their wording. It's just that they're being read differently. I get it. Yeah. Okay.
Thanks. Yeah, that's fine. That's all. Are we ready to move on, sir? We are. Okay. Very good. Um and now I would like to invite Mr. Jared Werek and Mr. Steven Danaluck of uh the Courtzside Group to the podium to talk about their presentation. Thank you.
Welcome back, gentlemen. Thank you very much. The clicker. Here we go. Um thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, city council. I actually have the privilege today to talk to you a little bit about what our
concept is for Blazing Paddles and uh hopefully how we can bring this to be a core um in downtown Temple Terrace. So uh I'll talk about the elephant in the room uh and introduce myself uh first as as well as my business partner. My name
is Steven Danalook. I've spent uh 20 plus years working in for-profit higher ed as well as in edtech in a variety of leadership roles in both sales, operations, marketing as well as in uh multi-sight retail, which is a space
that I'm currently working in. Now, um, what's really important to me, uh, is that any project that I'm involved in, much like I have been in my career in education, uh, is truly making a difference in someone's lives. And I believe the concept that we are actually
presenting today about blazing paddles also matches, uh, that need. Um about a decade ago, I had the opportunity to start working with Jed Waderk on a startup company that was um just a concept. Uh and we quickly scaled that
business to become one of the fastest growing edtech companies in history that ultimately led to a sale for $750 million. With that, I'll introduce you to Jed. So, thank you, mayor. Thank you, members of the city council for taking the time to to review our proposal tonight and
congratulations on 100 years. It's a big milestone. Uh to kind of build on what Steve shared there, uh we started playing pickle ball a number of years ago at public courts and we fell in love with the game, but very quickly we ended up waiting 30 to 40 minutes between games and we'd be out there for 3 hours
and only play two or three games. So at that point we knew that wasn't it and that there was a shortage of courts uh across the country. So we started paying for access to courts uh and we found uh thriving pickball places in surprising and and really underwhelming areas and
from that an idea was born uh that we can potentially solve this that we will solve this and in a unique way solve the court shortage gap. So I've been very fortunate in my career to work in an industry where we created life-changing impact through education. I I became
addicted to kind of helping people find that in their life and to helping them realize their dreams. And I've seen firsthand how pickle ball can change people's lives. Of course, you have the activity, the exercise, but beyond that, you have the connection, the community, and the friendships that come from that,
and that's where the joy lives. So, I'm standing in front of you today a little bit more than 48 hours after my firstborn son came into the world. Uh, and we have the opportunity with building Blazing Battles, uh, to, you know, have a front row seat to creating life-changing experiences for a
community. Um, uh, but also to have an opportunity to build a business that my son eventually could be proud of. And so, we hope that that flagship location will be right here in Tumble Terrace. So as we embarked on this journey to take this dream uh into a reality, we spent
the last couple of years traveling the country stateto state, visiting various pickle ball clubs. We attended the World Pickle Ball Conference multiple times and we noted everything along the way. We saw what worked really well. We saw what didn't work well. whether it was
court lighting, court servicing, the flow of customers throughout the the venue, the ambiance, the experience, or in some cases the barbed wire around the the courts as people are playing. So from that, we really uh honed in and crafted the vision that we have for
Blazing Paddles. And that truly is uh in this presentation and our vision is what Blazing Paddle stands for, what's going to separate us and differentiate us and what ultimately will be a draw to downtown Temple Terrace.
So, uh, I do want to talk when Jed and I first started, uh, we're also intelligent enough to know what we don't know and very quickly engaged with, uh, um, uh, advisors that we know in this space. In particular, uh, we have a
commercial development uh, adviser that has done projects from 5 million to 100 million. Uh I'm fortunate that my brother is actually a civil engineer who works for uh Jacobs and helped us guide understanding what site layouts would
be. Uh and then we have um over 30 years of uh retail experience uh with um Mr. Werek uh as an adviser as well. And universally what they said to us is the success of a project is going to be
dependent on the team. you want a experienced team that uh has a local feel and has demonstrated results and that led us and I'd actually like to thank them because they've joined us here um as part of this bringing on soul
design Franklin development and R squared engineering from the beginning. So you can hear see like a sample a small sample of our team's portfolio and very successful and I would say unique projects that they've been a part of. Um, you know, this team is trusted, you
know, obviously as experts to us. It was very critical for us that we went out and found the best of the best, but it was also critical to find experts that have experience working in Temple Terrace with this community. And that's what we did as we kind of crafted this team together.
So, how many people in here, for those that are still here, have played pickle ball? Can you raise your hand? All right. How many people know someone that has played pickle ball? Okay, that's most hands in the air. And if you don't have your hand in the air, then you likely will soon because it is the fastest growing sport in the country. Uh
you can take Annalie Waters, who is the number one rated pro pickle ball player in the world. She went professional at the age of 12 years old. On the other end of the spectrum, you can take Joyce Jones, the oldest woman on record, oldest person on record to compete in a sanctioned tournament for pickleball at
the age of 95 years old. The point is this game, this sport is for all skills, all demographics, all ages. It's for everyone. One thing I would also add, if folks are wondering if this is a fad, it's been 3 years uh consecutive. There's actually a
Forbes article that came out in 2023 that talked about if each city were to build courts over the next 10 years with the current demand that they have, they wouldn't be able to catch up. This is a chance to catch lightning in a bottle and set Temple Terrace uh apart with our
first flagship location. So, um this is a little tough for me to see uh from here, but we did want to talk about the uh opportunity and and what's been clear hearing in the conversations uh and even from early talks with the city and what we're uh
looking to do. What sounds like really important for this property is a revitalization of the downtown core. Um, and we believe that this business uh idea will do just that. Uh, if you look at the surrounding area of Hillsboro
County, we have one major competitor that currently exists. Um, and they are, uh, no exaggeration, it's an abandoned warehouse with no air conditioning and barb wire that exists. And they have a waiting list to be a part of this. Jed
and I, as part of our research, have talked with people from St. Petersburg to downtown Tampa. Creating a flagship uh opportunity like this. This is something that they will travel and and drive to. And we understood a destination uh was an important aspect
of what Temple Terrace was looking for in this property. to kind of build on that. You know, we first sat down uh and met some members of the city over 15 months ago when we really honed and refined our vision when we understood what the city's looking for in creating
a downtown experience that attracts visitors. Uh we connected with avid pickleball players that live in Temple Terrace that went to USF and are incredibly excited about the potential of this idea coming to life. Um members have said it themselves that no one's going to drive 20 minutes for Chipotle.
Um, but our belief is that they will drive 20 minutes uh away for a one-of-a-kind uh entertainment venue that has pickle ball, food, live music, and more. So, to talk through a little bit of the community benefits that we wanted to
highlight at scale, our estimates have uh annual tax revenue exceeding $400,000. Um, we have over 300 daily visitors that are coming through and an increased property value of 25%. But beyond that,
what we actually Oh, you got to click there. Yep. Is uh local job creation. We anticipate at least 40 new jobs uh that are are mid to high higher paying roles. Um, we talk about the sense of community and I know that's an important aspect
I've heard some council members discuss here and anybody that has been uh a part of pickle ball. Pickle ball is a community. You are literally drawing people together to experience something that is healthy, fun, and active on a
regular basis. And obviously we feel that this will be a draw um to the city of Temple Terrace and help with the downtown revitalization. So, what is our vision? Our vision is to create a premier pickle ball placed uh that has 12 indoor and outdoor courts.
So, whether it is the thick of August, as it is now, and you need air conditioning to play pickle ball, or it's the middle of January and you want to be under the blue sky, we've created something that has a little something for everyone when it comes to playing pickle ball. Uh beyond that, you have the full service restaurant and bar. You
have gamification bays that offer a unique experience for players and then premium amenities that uh you know ensure that this is a place that people can spend hours at after they're done playing their pickle ball games. So elevating the pickle ball experience
um you know for those that didn't raise their hand or haven't played pickle ball maybe it's because you don't have a group to play with or maybe it's intimidating to get on the court for the first time. You feel like you might not be great at it. We've designed a player experience for all skill levels that guides them and kind of meets them where they're where they're at by providing
game bays that get them comfortable with hitting the ball or lessons and clinics that help uh you know guide them to improve on the court. Uh but for our advanced players uh we also have uh AI technology that we've partnered with Stupa Analytics to provide unique data
sets that allow them to uh really improve their game. It's really important for us that you're bringing the beginners along that have never played pickle ball and are having a great time, but for those that are going to play every single day, we need to differentiate ourselves with public courts. So, how do we add value to those
types of players through the technology and features that we can offer through members? And I I promise that we did not know that we would learn so much about the fire department history today or that the chief of the police staff would be here today. But imagine a world in 2027 where you have the Temple Terrace
Fire Department verse police department annual tournament with the proceeds of that going to, you know, charity. When we say no, someone will get hurt. But when we say we want to be a part of this community, we mean it. And so whether it's getting creative with the
tournaments that we host that make a big event uh out of pickle ball or just having fun with the people that we're engaging with every day, you know, we have a lot of amazing ideas for how we can immerse ourselves in Temple Terrace. The police department first fire department was an example on this slide
months ago before we knew the agenda today. Um on to the next slide. So this is probably my favorite slide. We are pickle ball first. There's no denying that. But we are far more than just pickle ball. So whether someone is coming to play pickle ball or they are
coming for live music and entertainment, they're coming to have a beer that we brew in house, they're coming to play shuffleboard or cornhole or they're coming for a corporate team bonding event. Whether you pick up a paddle or you never do, we are creating an experience at Blaze and Paddles where
everyone can have a great time and engage in a social atmosphere that is uh you know energetic, thriving, and more than just pickle ball because we know I saw some hands that didn't go up. Not everyone's going to play. Not everyone has an interest. But if this is to become a staple in the community of
Temple Terrace, we have to offer more than just uh pickable. So, talking a little bit about our design design philosophy, and I know we covered this a bit in the CRA meeting earlier, um today, uh as Jed and I
toured countless pickle ball facilities literally across, uh the US, the most clear thing that stood out to us is most folks are grabbing old industrial warehouses, throwing in some pickle ball courts, not giving any real thought to
the experience, which works for now but will not be a longlasting solution in this space. There are other some other big corporate partners but they tend to be restaurant first and really what our design was focused on was making this an
inclusive experience for everything not just pickle ball not just gamification not just the restaurant and bar but the outside fully incorporated into our design. So, one of the biggest thing uh concerns that communities might have when it
comes to pickle ball is the noise. There's no getting around the the noise of the ball hitting the paddle, but we've been very intentional every step of this process and how we've looked to mitigate noise reaching our neighbors. We know there's an apartment complex directly behind this facility. We know
that the city has certain noise ordinances at different times of the day and that we'd have to be beneath those. So whether it's the specific location of our building acting as a sound barrier reaching so to sound reaching those apartment complexes or it's the materials we're using both inside the
building to minimize the pickball noise for someone just sitting at the bar or if it's the fencing and materials surrounding the exterior of the space to again kind of minimize the the decibb that are going to reach both the the fountain gate shops and also the apartment complexes. We want to be a
staple for years to come and we would have to do that by being great neighbors that are considerate of those around us. So obviously with smart design uh that requires smart waiverss uh which I'm assuming we can discuss in the Q&A or at
a a future time based on our existing design and our interpretation of everything with the code. These were the design uh waiverss that we would need to seek. And uh really just in closing I know this was a short amount of time um to
review a lot of information. This is the culmination for us of um multiple years of work in what we think will be our first flagship uh location. We think that this um really strikes at
revitalizing downtown. We think that it is truly unique. There's nothing like it that exists in the Hillsboro County uh currently. And uh we we hope you'll consider partnering with us um moving forward. So, we'd like to actually turn
it over to Q&A. Thank you very much. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this? Mr. Loe, we have to we take public comment real quick and then we'll open it up. Sure. Quite a few comments on it. Uh Charles Love, Terrace Park, I have
quite a few comments on this. Uh first of all uh in thinking in future terms uh you do realize that there's going to be an expansion base for your customer service plus the fact that you also might be uh you know wanting to host
tournaments like out of area tournaments. Now the city itself does not have a hotel in order for you to host. So you do realize that that's number one. Uh number two, with the stadium opening up uh here in 2027, you would have a potential expansion base
toward your thing if they allow you to do that. But uh you know, something to think about and uh you know about about traffic or have you thought about the traffic in the area? Also about toward marketing over you know to USF assuming
that they allow you to open. Uh I was wondering if you have any thoughts on those things generally. Mrs. Donahghue, we'll call you up at the end of you. Yeah. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Sher Donahghue.
I live happily in Temple Terrace. Several months ago, I was invited to a birthday party at in Wesley Chapel. We're like, "What the heck? What does this mean? It's it's a it's a golfing experience." It was at night. We got
there, we we weren't there to play golf. It's not the real golf that my husband plays, right? We could not believe the crowd that was there and half of them were watching. They were drinking beer. They were having Cokes. They were eating hamburgers. It was packed. Okay, we
could hardly find a place to park. That might be our only problem is that this thing could be so wildly popular that, you know, we find ourselves with houses that say parking for five bucks or whatever. I'm just kidding. I I I you know, we've been looking for something
to energize our downtown. Everybody's looked at something. This sounds to me like a really good shot. I understand there are hours to go for negotiating and making sure that this works, but you know, I'm all in. Thank you.
Other public comment. Okay. Council questions. Council member Fernandez. Um I have a few questions. Okay. Um so I I'm very aware of the popularity of pickle ball at this time. Um there's
a there's an app that people go on to find low courts and people to play with, etc. Is that would you as a not a free court would you be participating in that? We would. Yeah. So there's uh several
different apps. Uh there's Pickleheads and there's Duper that connect connects the pickle ball community with their scores and their performance tracking. Uh so we would certainly want to be a facility that players could come to have duper specific nights or just events with specific uh sub communities that
could come to Blades and Paddles. Uh so the short answer is yes absolutely. So what would your operating hours be? So uh as of now right now they are projected at 6:00 a.m. to uh 11:00 p.m. depending on the day. Um, our goal would
really be to meet the demographics where there are, whether it's the pre-work uh community that wants to come play pickle ball uh before they go on their workday before 8:00 a.m. or it's the uh the crowd that is available during the day at 2 p.m. or it's the college crowd
coming from USF at 10:00 p.m. 11:00 p.m. U we want to be open as long as possible, but we certainly understand that there might be ordinances that we'd have to navigate through. Um, but the goal is is open as much as possible. So with regard to uh the live music or
the outdoor games, those at least in your concept seem to be more geared to people actually coming to your establishment versus just being out in the park like would you be 21 and up or
what what is your It's a good question. I I think some of these smaller details we are kind of at um a crossroads right now where we have invested a lot of our time and energy and resources over the past year. Um um but we haven't invested fully in like
the traffic study that kind of aligns to the question we heard from the public because we have to know that we'd be the property owners and we' be moving forward here. So some of those smaller questions like that or sorry I didn't mean to refer to that as a small question. I apologize. uh we would still have to work through some of those smaller details but um I don't know if
C I think we want to be as inclusive as possible in this the design really I I think it does hit on the um the community element of this right uh there are uh different considerations you have to take into effect if you're allowing
um you know six and sevenyear-old children to play pickle ball and you have to think through different insuranceances and liability uh that is not out of the equation. The reason our hours are long is what we've experienced in in visiting um just courts. I played
this morning actually at 7:00 a.m. uh where it tends to skew on the well starting to be my range but the older side of things to the middle of the afternoon to to the evenings. We want to be an inclusive environment uh as much
as possible. And so, um, you know, I don't I don't foresee us, um, preventing anyone from coming in. In terms of, uh, music and and things that would be happening outside, we would want to do concert series. We would like to have
music that is played both indoor and outdoor to create an audience and vibe. We have a full programming schedule we've already started to work through to keep it lively and fresh, bringing people um, bringing to that sense of community. So, I think a lot of that is
just dependent on um if Temple Terrace is ultimately the the spot where we open our flagship. And I I have another question about design. Yeah. Um one of the fact features that we've tried to put into effect in this area
specifically is a more Mediterranean revival style. Um, but I know that with the garage, I mean, I I just came from a college town, so I I I know what that design looks like, but you know, are you open to elements that are more
along the design style of what we've been trying to put in that area. So, Mickey, could I actually ask if you don't mind? I think you had a a great way of talking about this the other day. Uh, Mickey is from Seoul, uh, and he's our architectural designer. Yeah, Mickey Russian soul design. Hello, mayor.
Hello, council. Um, so so yes, so we've talked about this before when they brought it in and we've been in this area for for so long and especially that you know the the strip center that's on the corner there is very Mediterranean. Um, them bringing their brand and that
identity into it um is very different whether it's the height or the finishes that are going to be outside. I do think we can do a very um a very well done trim package to the the site and the building and the fencing that that meshes in with the the overall um
environment of the entire neighborhood. Um and so that could help out, you know, that they still sort of keep their brand identity of the Blazing Paddles going forward, but then also it's not this isore that's in the middle of, you know, what has been created right there at the at the intersection.
Thanks. Are you done? I'm done for now. Okay. Council member Chambers, some questions. I have more comments later, but questions. Questions. Um, have you spoken with our Chamber of Commerce about this moving into Tumble Terrace? We have not yet.
Not at this time. Not engaged. I hope you do. Okay. Second, have you talked to our leisure services department? That's where all the pickle ball is played right now. Not at this time. We know about the park and Rex place and there's Rowlet Park that offers pickle ball, but no, we
haven't engaged. Um, most of our interactions at this point have been through this brokers through this process. We've limited our interactions outside so that we didn't kind of step outside the process that we were supposed to be following. Okay. Well, we'll try three. We'll see if I get three nos. Have you talked Have
you spoken We have a very formal timber pickle ball club that's got hundreds of members now. Have you spoken to them? We haven't spoken to them, but we I've been on their website. Okay. Very aware of them. Okay. Um the rest are comments later on. Okay. Vice Mayor, any questions?
I have no questions or comments later. Okay. Council member Kravitz, I've got a couple. Um are you under the impression that Temple Terrace collects sales tax? No. Okay. Because on page four when it says local economic impact, what I read here
is $434,000 estimated sales tax generated from 6.2 million in projected annual revenue. Is that a typo? Not a typo. No, but it's uh our our annual tax revenue is what we're listing there. It's not necessarily saying what Temple Teriff would receive through that
process. We understand that you would receive the property taxes. Well, it wouldn't be a local economic impact because it would be the sales tax in any case. Um I think it would be local for Hillsboro County, but I recognize what you're saying there. It would indeed. Um my other question is whether you already have the partnership
that you address on page six with Stupa Analytics. We've engaged with them several times. Yeah. We don't have a signed agreement with them at this point. But again, a lot of this is contingent on us moving forward with Temple Terrorists before we continue invest those resources. I I know I know how these things go.
Yep. Um this is just my one and a half hour free due diligence for new clients that you're getting right now. Just so you know. Fair enough. Um I see that you have 8 million in financing required. You mentioned that you have 600,000 and you're expecting another what was it? 800,000 from a
friend. Um, and then when I it wasn't who was No, it's $1.2 million that we'll have raised with 15% equity to answer your question in our business. Sorry, you're raising 1.8 million of which you're bringing 1.2 million. You're raising 1.2 of which you have
600,000. We have 600 thou we we would be the ownership. It's very important for us, right? Not not the direction I'm going with that. So my original number was right. You're getting 800,000 from someone else, right? 1.2 million 1.2 to 1.8 total with 1.2 from outside
investors with 600 directly from us. You said 1.2 total, right? No, I said 1.8. We're raising 1.2. One point is meaning raising from outside capital. Okay. I'm going to go a different direction with this because I don't think your numbers are staying
consistent. So SBA loan, that's what you said is the source of the rest of the funding. Correct. What I've identified here based on the numbers is a $1.4 million funding gap. even after you max out your SBA loan which cap out at 5 million unless you're a manufacturer. I apologize for interrupting but that's not correct.
What is the maximum for an SBA loan? I believe it's 20. Uh you're talking I think you're what you're referring to is a 7A SBA loan which does have a $5 million million cap. A 504A loan which we've discussed with our bankers has a much higher cap requires a 20% down payment which given our total project
estimate is where we come up with the 1.8 equity that is needed which is 1.2 to raise from outside investors and the 600 from us. So, you're doing what's called a double leverage structure. You don't have the equity to get the loan. So, you're borrowing money from another person so
that you can present that as equity to the SBA loan issuer and then you double leverage off of that to get the total funding that you may need for this project, which is extremely risky. I don't know if I would classify it that way. Steve and I are looking to minimize
the personal contributions that we're putting up front into this process. We are at a point in our lives where retirement would not be that far away, but this is something that we're incredibly passionate about. But to go on a project like this, we would have to derisk from our own standpoint by minimizing our personal contributions.
still putting as as much as needed, but in order to do that with an SBA loan in minimizing the percent of ownership that we would give away, this is the structure that we've come up with. Um, it's very important that if the two of us are here in front of you presenting this vision that we would be the
individuals owning and operating this business and we can't give away uh majority share and equity into our business. We do not need the outside capital. If Steve and I needed to, we would fund the entire down payment ourselves. But we're looking to structure this in a way that brings investors that might have experience in
certain uh areas that might be really helpful for the business overall um as a value to the business, not a necessity. Yeah, I get that you're basically a startup and that you appear to be in a process of getting all of the pieces in place, but for whatever reason, would
you agree that you are frontloading the property acquisition before your business is actually ready to go? I wouldn't agree with that. No. So, when is your business ready to go then? If you don't have financing, you don't have the partnerships that you advertise and your tax revenue projections are incorrect. Chicken and egg problem at this point.
Again, we're not the owners of the property, so we cannot fully secure the SBA loan or bring on outside investors until you're going to use the property as collateral for the SBA loan. I'm sorry. Is that I don't understand your question. You just said that you're not getting the other pieces in place because you
need to get the property first before you proceed to get the loan. not going to sign our names to an SBA loan if we're unsure that we would be the owners of this property. We are not going to bring on outside investors two terms. I misunderstood. That's fine. Okay, I'm done.
I have a few questions. Take a break. Sure, please. Mayor. Okay, so um please help me to the best of your ability here. I I realize that you may not know the answers yet to some of these. Um,
do you know yet whether your restaurant and bar area would be a themed restaurant and bar? Would you contract that out to a local restaurant here like a Gansmmart, you know, that or do you intend to run the restaurant and bar
yourself? Because I don't know anything about pickle ball or restaurants, but um I do know that it's much different to run a restaurant and a bar than it is to run a pickle ball. So, what's your plan for that if you have one? That it is. We have certainly explored the idea of food trucks and outside vendors to run the the restaurant, but
we made the decision to run it ourselves. Particularly to obtain a liquor license from the state of Florida, uh it is very challenging to to do so or very costly to do so. But if more than 50% of your revenue is coming from uh non-alcohol, from food, then uh
that process is much more use Yeah. is much cheaper at that point. So, uh, one of our adviserss who's on the slide, and I apologize that slide is it's hard to read all the details on there, uh, but he brings 30 years of experience managing restaurants such as Dunkin Donuts, Taco Bell, KFC's,
Ponderosas, hotel chains. He would be an active member of our advisory team. Uh, so with his experience uh, kind of guiding us on this process, we would be owning and operating the restaurant and the pickleball aspects ourselves. So the and and the reason I bring that
up is I I I get the pickle ball thing. I understand. I know. Um but in our particular city, we're al the restaurant and bar is a big motivator here in this city because we're we're kind of fine d not fine dining but casual dining short.
We only have a few options. Um so the restaurant and bar I think are important to our constituents really as much as the pickle ball. The outdoor concert venue I think is is important to our constituents as to pickle ball. A lot of people in the community are
looking at this and don't play pickle ball, but man, I'd like to have another restaurant, a nice bar to go to, an outdoor concert series, you know, that's kind of a cool Florida Avenue brewing kind of place out back. That's cool. Yeah. Um, but so when you talk about the food
trucks possibility and stuff, I'm like, don't don't that was early idea and that's why I think Jed was uh clarifying, sorry, that we would be the owner and operators of the uh restaurant and bar. Okay. And some of this is um I don't
want to go into comments, those questions, but I think you're going to find in the comments section here that's coming up pretty quick. I can't speak for anybody except myself. I I I'm I like this concept. I will be
in favor, at least one of me, us will be in favor of advancing this discussion with you. I like it. I think it's a good fit. My question for you is there's some things I know already in these two designs that are going to be sticking
points. Um the selling price may be a sticking point. I'm counting the number of parking spaces. Um I'm looking at the two options in order to comply with the CRA. Are I mean I don't know how dug in you are with all of this.
I personally I think your chances of success go much higher if you're still willing to work with our staff and talk about some of this stuff. Um there will be some catch points in this. Um, so
anyway, are you still is this shaking down the funnel to the point where this it's this or nothing or are you still No, I think our goal coming in here is alignment on the vision. Uh, the way that process was described to us is that, you know, if we were to move forward, there would be a purchase and sale agreement, but there would also be
a developers agreement and we understand that there'd be a lot of details to hash out and so we are flexible on components of what we put forward uh in changing that. I would just I would say I I totally agree. We want to work with the city on this. That being said, if it is if we
were have to uh fundamentally fundamentally completely redesign our facility, I think that's a non-starter for us. Yeah. Well, I don't think that would be okay. Other questions come? And if I may, mayor, to back to your earlier comment, uh the example I'll give you is we certainly are not brew
masters coming into this process, but what Steve kind of articulated at the onset is that we are good operators. So the, you know, creating a restaurant and bar that is a place that local residents would want to go to. We were actually at the World Pickle Ball Conference when we started engaging with a vendor that can
support the in-house brewing process for craft brewing. So it's those types of partnerships and opportunities and experts that we're always going to look to partner with to create a a unique experience for both the pickle ball players and the non-pickle ball players. Council members, other questions before
we enter discussion. Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate you. Okay. Um, I know that normally we would go right into a motion, but I think under the circumstances it'd be appropriate to have a little discussion first. So, Council Member Fernandez,
I I like the concept. Um I am very familiar with going to places in Semol Heights where they are they're actively engaged in some sort of game activity as well as hanging out and it attracts a
lot a lot of people families as well. So I I do like that concept and I know how popular pickle ball is and I know people are traveling all over trying to find courts. So I I do believe that it would be an attractor as well as including the
other aspects. So with with the music and the um believe it or not, shuffleboard is becoming popular and um but it just just familiar with the age group that seems to have a lot of disposable income and
they like to go to facilities like this and they like to play these games and be outside and hang out and they like craft beer and so everything about this concept I think would be an attractor. Um, I know that I I have some concerns about
the design elements and one one of my concerns which I it's I it's not a non-starter for me, but it is a concern and that is the orientation of the parking lot. I I understand why you've designed it the way you have. I
know that we were trying to keep the parking um we're trying to create more of an urban aesthetic, but I also know that we have to be practical and I know that
communities don't spring up except maybe celebration, but that things happen more organically. So you you know you have to it I don't expect perfection. So um but this does a lot of things to activate
the area that I have been looking to do. So I I would not I would be in favor of of moving the process forward. Council member Chambers council member and member of the Temple Terrace Pickle Ball Club chambers.
Um yes. Thank you. All right. So I would like to see the project move forward also. Um but I have some of the same concerns. The design difference between what your concept is and the requirements of CRA I you know the
desirable less desirable plan something like that but those are things that can be worked out and come back to us on that. I think the purchase price of the property is a little low. That's just my opinion but again that's something be worked out. I don't think there's any conflict with the uh Timas Leisure
Services and their uh uh pickle ball program. It's it's totally different. Recreation pickle ball and the other concepts are different and there's plenty of pickle ball players to go around. But that's something I wish if if we move forward that you make sure to talk to our leisure services department
on that. Uh the concert venue and stuff. I know this council has talked about a a project down there to maybe have a public space where there's programming and stuff. I think this fulfills that. Plus, we don't we the city don't have to try to plan those things. I think that's
big for us, my opinion. Uh, if I know there's not a lot of room in your building, but as a senior pickle ball player, can you get into a contract with a first aid company to down there? There's a lot of injuries down there. And the same for our leisure services
department. Maybe you could. Anyway, that that's all, you know. Anyway, those are my comments. Thank you, Vice Mayor. Yes, I too like the concept. I think it's great. I I I applaud your entrepreneurial spirit in this thing. Um it uh it's it's a lot of vision, a lot
of forethought. We got some things we got to work out, but um as Mr. Paulie had indicated this is an opportunity for us to at least you know accept the project concept and move it forward to so that you can work closer with the city and with the staff
so that we can you know iron out some of these issues. Um I too like the fact that you're willing to do the outdoor the outdoor part the concert. Uh I never was in favor of the city get involved with that because then then city's got to manage it and clean it and book
whatever. So, I think that that that uh solves a lot of a lot of concerns that I had. Um love to see a micro brewery, but uh you know, it's there's there's other there's other there's other um issues that have to be addressed with that, but uh again, I'd like to see the project
move forward. Maybe we can work on the price. Maybe we, you know, you can come up with some additional amenities or additional benefits to it. Maybe we could we could um increase the sale price to it. But, uh, to me, it's not necessarily a deal killer. Um, I can see
you guys have done the research into into, uh, the the product, the the markets. Um, I I've done this stuff in the past with with M&A and and I know what you what what what has to be done and uh, I I applaud I think you've done
a lot of hard work. you've did a lot of leg work and uh um I'm sure you you you know what your financing needs are and and so forth, but uh I would like to see it move forward and let's go to the next step and see what we can do with this puppy.
Thank you Kitz. If uh we proceed with this, what I would recommend is that we protect ourselves with a clawback provision that will apply for example if and when their financing falls through either at the private equity stage or subsequently
when they're going to get an SBA loan or a bank loan or whatever they plan to do. I think that we need to understand that right now they have $600,000 in the pot. That's what they're bringing to the table. asking them to up the price for the
property from 1.4 to two million isn't going to work when they have that kind of a funding structure. So, I think it becomes even more important to insist that we be given their financial statements, which was one of the um
uh item number six here in the purchase proposal requirements. I think we need to see exactly um how much funding they have because I'm not sure what entity is even purchasing this property. Is it uh an LLC? Is it an incorporated?
Is it them personally? Because it sounds like they're just kind of putting cash into a pot as friends and then talking to another one of their friends, which I've seen a billion times in tech companies. It happens all the time. Um but we should be clear about what is purchasing this property. Is it them? Is
it a company? What's going on there? Why isn't there more than 600,000? And that 600,000 is going to burn off really fast. So, as soon as they start hiring experts like architects and so on, that money will rapidly disappear and then it'll be their private equity money
that's being burned or their loan money that's being burned. And that's going to be before they've even broken ground, I would estimate. So, um, going forward, what we don't want to have happen here is a dead-on arrival project that never actually gets executed. So I think the
pro the the concept is charming you know apart from the fact that I've pointed out a few issues that don't really make sense in the pitch deck but um we need to really make sure that we protect ourselves when it comes to getting the property back if this doesn't work out so that we don't end up in a situation
where they turn around and sell it to someone else for more money which we've all seen happen before. Um, the other thing I'll point out is that um, this is a step up from apartments in terms of what it's offering people in Temple
Terrace. Um, but I I would like to see the amenity structure come out a little bit more with this. And the final thing I'll say is this is exactly what I was worried would happen earlier is that as soon as it gets to the stage at the city council, it develops its own dynamic and it become kind of becomes the default
option that we're all going to go with. And I would suspect that if we were to go back on the market and lower the price on the property to 1.4 million that we would get a lot of really interesting proposals because that's a really good deal. And what I've personally experienced is when a
property is overpriced, you only get bad offers. When a property is properly priced or slightly below market, it'll find its value quickly and you'll get a much better qualified tenant or purchaser than you would if you overpric the property in the listing. So um those
are my thoughts. Uh I think this is not fleshed out enough to proceed. I would be happy to let the developers go back and work on it and come back for example with some actual company documents, financial statements, uh a better drafted pitch deck which doesn't assume that Temple Terrace is going to get
property uh sales taxes. Um so there are a lot of things there that I'd like to see fixed. I'm going to be a no no vote on this for that reason. If you all want to proceed then I really encourage you to take my advice earlier. uh and my suggestions there seriously because we we don't need another situation where
where this development fails uh because there's no money behind it or something else that's shinier catches the developers attention and they just abandon ship and sell it to someone else. So those are my thoughts. Okay. Um
so a couple comments to make. Um small council I No, go ahead. Oh okay. Um just by random about two months ago I happened to be in a conversation with Daryl Shaw in Eore
City and he was talking about the warehouse that on Adamo that they've opened up as a pickle ball court and you um very adequately described that it's really an abandoned warehouse that they've rolled up some doors to give
some air but it's not climate controlled. It's an old garbage warehouse that really will come down when something else goes up. And they've just got pickle ball courts in there, but it's open air. And he said they somebody persuaded him to
do it. He's like, I didn't think that was going to work. I But we weren't doing anything with the building. So I said, "Well, what the heck?" And he said, "We've got people from Riverview, from St. Pete, from Clearwater, from Brandon, from Plant City." He goes, I I we got people coming from Lakeland. We have people coming from everywhere to
the He goes, "You're lucky if you can reserve a court." He He goes, "They're printing money at this place. It's packed all the time." So, I thought that was interesting. I just happened to have this conversation, not because of this project, just because I was talking to
Mr. Shaw. The other thing I think it's important for us to remember is we get because we're Temple Terrace City Council, we tend to focus within our borders, but we really need to think regionally here a bit too. So, right on the horizon, we've got the USF football
stadium coming. Maybe even more importantly for this, we have the Mosy development. The Mosy development is going to be a mixeduse development. There will be a hotel there. There will be an indoor sports facility there, not for pickle ball, for traveling leagues,
soccer, whatever kind of. There'll be an in indoor sports um component to that project along with mixeduse residential. The typical um retail on the bottom, residential on the top that we've tried for decades to get.
It may be a blessing in disguise that we didn't get it um because you're starting to see so much of that. I'm not sure that that's really The other thing on top of this is the Claw the USF golf course is going to be developed as well. That's the largest undeveloped parcel in
the city of Tampa that they're looking at mixed use there. Also, I've had conversations with Tampa and with USF and with Hills County about the importance of us not building three of the same things. We don't need
to build what they're going to have it. We're going to compete with Mosy and the claw are already trying to deconlict because they're worried about competing with each other by building the same thing. I think this really could be a great
um thing for temple terrace. I have some concerns, but I think this could really be a great thing. This could put us There's nothing like this. The closest thing is to open air warehouse in Eore City. There's nothing like this. Um, we all know we could use
another nice restaurant or bar. Um, the pickle ball thing is on fire. My concern months ago when I first heard of this was, you know, everything has a a life. Handball was a thing, paddle, you know, everything's got a life. And pickle ball will, too. Eventually,
they'll be the next thing, right? Remember when paintball was the big deal? Everybody's going out paintball. I mean, it'll be the next thing. But this building, the way this is laid out, could easily pivot to the next thing. It it it could be changed to the
next thing. And so I I think I'm excited about this. I really want this to move forward. Now, I'll be candid with you. There are some questions, right? and and uh your ability to financially perform
will need to be vetted in this that we've been through this process with other city- owned properties. We don't normally do that kind of stuff at this stage. But there are remember when the Ericson thing fell through because when their financials came in it didn't remember that was years ago. So there's
there's that I am concerned I I shared some of those concerns. I think you've heard from all of us that we're a little sketchy on the sales price. I'm not sure that I've got a warm fuzzy about that. The um site plan,
I think it's important that you honored the Mediterranean Revival architecture to the extent possible because you're at its core of our redevelopment area. But I don't see why you couldn't do that. It's I mean it's stucco and fake tile.
It's not, you know, I it seems like you can make any building look like that. I I hope and I would like to see our team work together with you to to come up. I'm not convinced that your
preferred option is the best that can be done. And I'm counting the parking spaces and I'm like, look, I know this is just a concept, but I'm I'm now I'm counting on a square this big, but I'm only counting like 42 parking spaces. And I'm doing a little rough math. Well, if you got 12 pickle ball courts and
there's four people on each one, that's 48 people right there and there's nobody in your restaurant yet. So, it seems like there's some things to work out on the site plan. Um, but I I would like to
see this project us give our staff um approval to meet with the broker, meet with you guys. Let's look at the site plan. I hope you're willing to roll up your sleeves a little bit. honor our tradition, what we're trying to build down there in terms of appearance and
feel and, you know, park it and make this fit better. The other thing that crosses my mind, I know I'm talking a long time, but I'm excited about this one. The other thing that crosses my mind is we've got these plans for that Riverside Park. Well, this is
this dovetales perfectly with that. We're bringing people in from all over the place into our city. And now we have this recreation opportunity and dining opportunity. You can also walk right across the street and go paddling or, you know, go canoeing, go paddle or
kayaking. I mean, this is this is what we've been trying to build in our city is to is to make there's stuff to do in the downtown. Right now, you go in Jersey Mike, you get your lunch. There's nothing to do. This this will bring
provide things to do in the concert series outside. I I would not be interested in this design at all if you didn't have the concert space. Um yeah, I just go ahead. I'll shut up. I just wanted to say though, we do get sales tax.
Yes. So I just want to make sure that for anybody listening that's that may have been their full uh tax effect on in for the total business but we Temple Terrace does receive a portion of sales tax from Hillsboro County for businesses
that are located in the city of Temple Terrace. So it's certainly not the largest funding item on our sales on our general fund. And then we al we would also get, you know, the property tax and the tiff from that area. But I just I
just wanted to clarify that in case somebody thought we don't get any sales tax, we do. Um and then I have the same reservations about the funding stream. I mean, as I'm not a
developer, but I was an auditor. I was a financial auditor, and some of my clients were real estate investment trusts. And I am I have I am familiar with the development process. So I am I am concerned about being able to viably
fund complete and then have the working capital to run the project because 95% of non uh chain restaurants end up going bankrupt and it's because they don't have the working capital to keep afloat
until the word of mouth and the publicity takes effect. I mean, having a draw as the pickle ball is should certainly help that process, but I am definitely concerned because I've
done rent rolls for plenty of of developments that were rented one month, empty the next. So that that would that's the so the financial piece of this is a concern and I would ask staff to make sure that we engage u the
correct real estate um real estate attorneys or outside council as we need that to have the real estate expertise to speak on the city's behalf in a not just on the city's behalf but
in a manner that is market reasonable. And and you know, I can sit here and say I I think we should get $2 million for the property, but if the market's not bearing that, it doesn't matter what we say. So, I'd like us to make sure that
whatever staff we engage is u very knowledgeable about what the city perspective is as well as what the market generates. So, that's it for me. Okay. Is there a motion? May I speak? Oh, yes. Go ahead.
Um, I think that's a great motion. I think that we should engage outside counsel right now, experts in real estate to accompany this process. So, I think that we should get that started tonight. So, if you want to make that motion, I'm happy to second it. I think
that's a fantastic idea. Can I do it all in one or would that need to be two? Why not? Okay. So, I I move that we further the discussion
regarding the Blazing Paddles project and engage the uh real estate attorney experience or experts that we need to help in the process.
Yeah. Second discussion. I'm all I'm in favor of moving it forward. I just um you I'm not sure to what extent outside council is going to do at this moment, you know. So, it's
but it should be the should be available as we progress through the project. I don't I I don't see any problem with it really. I kind of thought that was a good idea. I was thinking the same thing. I was just waiting for a motion and I was going to bring it up. But um I
also don't think it's a bad idea to talk to that council about the clawback provisions and things like that. I do know that the city of Plant City learned from our experience with blast development back in 2000 the early 2000s where we had to buy our money our
property back after we had given it to them. And Plant City learned from that. They brought Kim Limbball over there to talk about their their redevelopment that they were doing. Um, and they did do some type of clawback. The property didn't convey until a certain portion of
completion or something. I don't know how that worked, but so I I I don't have any issue with that. I think it's a good idea to engage them and and uh there is a point in the process where the financial ability to perform is confirmed and stuff. So, so
um yeah, I'm seems good to me. Any other comments or discussion on the motion? All those in favor say I. I. I. opposed. Okay. Thank you, gentlemen. Congratulations. Other new business or board report?
Excuse me. We were just voting on engaging attorneys, not on the actual agenda item. I combined them. She combined them. Yeah, she combined them. Why you put me in a position of having to vote yes on one because I don't I don't want the other. Well, listen. Can I do it in one or
should I do it in separate? And they said I could do it. I didn't even hear the part about That's okay. Hi. Whatever. They're getting better. Okay. Any other new business or board reports? Just real quickly, I went to the Florida League of Cities conference. I got home
Sunday. Was a terrific conference. Um the Port League of Mayors is on Wednesday and then Thursday, Friday, Saturday was the League of Cities. Um very good conference. Uh good speakers, good presentations. I'm waiting for them to upload some of the slideshows so I can share some of them with you.
Um, good. I encourage you guys to take advantage of their training opportunities. They're really very good. The training opportunities are online. You don't have to go anywhere. The conference is always very good. So, um, just a plug for them. That's all I have.
Any other new business? Council member Kravitz. I have more work for our city attorney. Um, I would like to explore um the legalities of city council members here in Temple Terrace having a social media account. Just wanted to mention that in
Temple in Tampa, it's very common. I have four names here. Luis Sierra, Alan, Glen, Glender, Lyn Herac, and Bill Carlson among others all have social media accounts on Facebook. They engage with people on Facebook. It's not an issue. Um, under the previous city attorney, there was a suggestion that
this was not possible in Temple Terrace, and I was hoping that perhaps our legal department might furnish us with a memorandum uh justifying that prohibition or alternatively uh perhaps explaining under what specific circumstances and
how uh someone on city council might go about having a social media account. And I just want to clarify, I still hate social media. It is not for me. So, but I think it's still something that we should all be thinking about. And I find it strange that there has been this thing in Temple Terrace that's different
from everywhere else that I can tell in Florida. So, would you be willing to do that without a council vote or should I make a motion? Well, we'd need a council vote on that. I would just I'm willing to do so. It will take some time. I don't want you to think it's going to come out in a week.
Yes. How long do you need? I would probably need with till I get a deputy on board and kind of take the load off. I would pro it would probably have to be a month out. Oh, let's say two months then. That's great. Yeah. So, I'd like to make a motion that the city attorney furnish us with a
memorandum on the legalities of social media use by city council members uh in the city of Temple Terrace and on how and and to brief us in that memorandum on how city council members in Temple Terrace would go about legally
having a social media account for engagement with constituents. So that is my motion. Motion and a second. Discussion on the motion. I will say one thing. First of all, I wish you guys would take advantage of FLC because all this is
talked about in FLC every year. The training that I that you guys don't take would explain so many of your questions here. Um, social media was talked about just the other day again. Um, Mr. Mueller, I I would hope that we can
change this motion or vote it down. Here's what I would propose to do instead. Um, you know, Randy Mora. Randy Mora is a city attorney for several cities. I um in Panellis County mostly, maybe Pasco also. He's a he's a contract
attorney. He teaches the block on ethics, the 4-hour block every year at the FLC conference. He's very dynamic. his whole thing. I mean, this is what he does and and he could probably come
here. We'd have to pay him. It would be probably more informative and cheaper than you spending a week trying to do what Randy can Randy can do this off. I mean, we could call him. I don't know what he would charge us and we could put this on the agenda and schedule it and
he could come to the meeting and give us the basically an abbreviated version of the training that he provides statewide there and I remember when we talked about this a few months ago that Michelle never said it can't be done what she she cautioned
against the there's a I mean I talked about this too. Yeah, other cities do this. Tampa does it. I think plant city does it. There's a lot of places that do this. County Commission does it. It can be done, but there's an expense to it because it all has to be archived. And I
mean there I don't know what the expense would be for the five of us, but there is an expense to it. Um I can't I'm sure it's not like millions of dollars. It can't be that much. But it it can be done. But Randy has this already done. I
don't know it why we would want to spend. And I mean there's a better way to get where you're getting is what I'm proposing. I already know the answer to the question. I'm just doing this so that we can clear out the, you know, narrative that's been going on for the past several years. Okay. You know the answer to the question, but you want to put our city
attorney through the hoops. If he's willing to go on record right now and explain to us what the legalities are, then he doesn't have to write the memo. I was giving him two months to get his thoughts together. But I think that there's a way of the thing is for the last three years I've
been hearing you can't go on social media. I know that this is not accurate and I think everyone who looks around can see. So all I'm saying is why don't we get clarity then about what are the requirements? How can it be done without it being an issue as is done in many
other places? That's all I said because previously there has been the suggestion by our former city attorney that it is not permissible and that's why no one here has a social media account and why as has been repeatedly brought up by uh council member Fernandez when she is
engaging with people on Facebook she does not substantively answer their questions which is weird. Yes, Council Member Chang. you know, my if we're allowed to have a social media account, I still won't. Um, I'm with you.
But some of the concerns I have, and it may be part of this, is, you know, two, and use the example of council member Fernandez, answering questions. It's one thing to answer a question as a council member, but we we
are one of five and we sometimes we may not speak for the group. were very careful about not speaking for the group and uh I'm worried about that if one person example and I'm not picking on you but you read social media and one
person starts responding because they deal with social media I don't then it either looks like I don't do anything or uh someone's doing everything and they're the spokesman for our council. Uh we have a city staff that responds to social media and a lot of the questions could go through them, but I'm not
opposed to having it. I just I see other issues on it myself and I don't you know I I don't know about supporting the motion or not if we have some other experts out there. Uh I don't know if we need an answer tonight or not, but that's just my comments.
I just would say I I'm not opposed to the idea of us exploring the social media the official social media city account. I'm not opposed to that at all. I am opposed to giving this project to the city attorney because really it should fall on the marketing people. All you got to do is make a couple phone
calls and you can get their social media policy that addresses all the questions and we would know the answers. Um I just don't see why we're giving this to the city attorney. I if you if we want to know,
give us a report on the realities of creating city social media accounts, we just say that. But to give you two months of, okay, you want I want you back in two months with a written memo to extra the Florida law. That's not going to answer the questions
anyway. We need to get it and marketing involved to answer the full qu obviously you'll have a piece of this. So, I'm gonna vote no because I don't think it's the right way to do it. Um, but I'm not against doing it. I'm just against I
think we're got the wrong way. Council, so the the reason this comes up often a lot of times I'm the one bringing it up. It's not a lack of training. It's not me taking a training with the Florida League of Cities. I I understand and I know why we can't do this and that is
that it's not being archived within our city. So, I don't have a a cityont controlled Facebook uh persona, which is which is what happens with Hillsboro County School
Board, with the city of Tampa, and with Hillsboro County. Those those Facebook um pages, they're controlled by those government entities. So, I do understand that and I actually do agree with you. I
think my question is not really on the legality of it. It's more about the practical application and that would be what kind of of um resources would need to be dedicated to this? What would the
cost be? What would the staff requirement be? I mean, I'm I would still even if I'm allowed to interact on Facebook and we had an archived uh Facebook account for me, I still tend to
answer very vaguely because I don't get into I definitely don't argue on Facebook or social media and I don't want to get in there's when you start going back and forth too much in the printed word, you get a lot of people.
Anyway, you you can be misinterpreted. So, I'm still I would still be telling people to call me, but as time goes forward, more and more people in the community interact through social media versus emailing us.
And so, I do I think it's something that we should know what the options are. But I but I will agree. I don't think it needs to come from the city attorney because I think we've we know we understand the legality and that's the fact that it's not
archived. Well, there's a little more than that, but but that's a that's a primary. So, okay. If there's no further discussion or comment, council member Kravitz. So, I think it does need to come from the city attorney for the following reason. The previous prohibition also
came from the city attorney. So I think if there is uncertainty because of something the city attorney said, it is not legally sufficient for the marketing department to tell us what to do now. It would have to come from the city attorney as well. And as for the
implementation, I would imagine something would be fully sufficient in the same way that we have with our email accounts where the city accesses and controls the account and we log in with our credentials and use it as we see fit. Just a thought. I don't know because we don't have the memo yet. But
that would be the goal of the memo is to just clarify how does this work? What's required from all the different departments? Is it complicated? Yes or no? Not all that complicated in my mind to put something like that together. Vice Mayor.
Yes. Um, I tend to agree with with the uh the logistical issues coming from marketing and so forth with obviously with the city attorney um you know agreeing with it or or name it. I don't
remember any specific uh admonition against it for the city attorney. It was a warning that it's becomes very it's from Miss Shashonne, the pre previous city attorney, um warning us that it becomes problematic with record
retention and and archival and so forth. I don't believe I ever saw anything written that said we can't do it, that it's against the that it's against any statute or any of our rules. Um I too uh you know, I'm on I'm on p I'm on
Facebook. I'm I'm on all the the the the uh uh social media uh realms. Um but uh I try to stay away from it. I read and then I move on because as Councilman
Chambers said, and Allison, Miss Fernandez does a pretty good job as to just being vague, you know, call this person or call that person. And um uh there's times that uh I have to put it away because I want to answer it and I know it's not the best thing to do. And
if I do see something, I call the city manager or I call Maria or whoever whoever's there that can so they can address the issue. Outside of that, it's only going to cause us an issue. But getting back to the original intention of of of the uh the motion
was I I I've never I don't remember seeing anything that said we can't do it. We were told we were told not we we was recommended that we not do it. That could cause us a ton of heartburn if there was issues with it. But uh for city city city attorney to come out with
a um a memorandum to counteract another presupposed memorandum that I don't remember. I think we can get the same kind of information from Barkin with uh um as as as the mayor had had indicated. Okay. Um all those in favor say I.
I. Opposed. Motion fails four to one. Mayor other Yeah. new business. I have a board report, but I also would like to make another motion on this issue. Okay. And my motion would be to direct the city manager to work with the city
attorney and the marketing staff and the IT staff and whoever he needs to consult with the Florida League of Cities to whatever to come back with a a report with us without jeopardizing all the other projects and the time and the effort that he's been doing lately. I
know it's a weird motion, but that's my motion. I'll second that. Okay, motion and a second. Discussion. All those in favor say I. I opposed. Okay. Other new I have a board report. Oh, I'm sorry. You did a board.
Okay. Sorry. Uh, last Wednesday was uh a scheduled code board meeting and it went off fine, but I wanted to recognize Mr. Shanks. It was his first meeting as director running that uh meeting and uh Miss Seder for reading all the different uh cases out there. She did a great job.
But both of you, thank you for your first meeting. That's all. Good. Other new business, board reports. Okay. City managers report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. Um, Mr. Hill, could you bring
up the slide, please? So, um, as we indicated at the town hall last week, um, yeah, it is. It is moving. I'm sorry for that. Um, it's not moving on the big screen at least. So, okay. Uh, as we indicated at the town hall, uh, CHA and we have, uh,
Bart Jones here from CHA tonight. Um, they did well sampling back on July 30th and we have received the results. They've been reviewed by CHA. Uh, they're shown here on the screen. We will upload this to the city's water questions page tomorrow as well. And
when we did the well testing, as as the gentleman from CHA mentioned at the town hall, purpose of that was to get a full understanding of of the PAS issue across the water system. But we're also looking to see if there were any particular wells that had less versus more, for
example, contamination. And what we find here uh is that it's it's pretty generalized across. There is not a single well that you could say, okay, if we shut this one down or increase production in another one, that'll make the difference in in and of itself. So, what this does is it reinforces what we
concluded last week, which is we need to find a treatment solution. Um we are uh having conversations with CHA and they've reached out to uh Southwest Florida Water Management District because actually one of the residents that was uh the one of the professional engineers had had an idea uh about
possibilities of uh different well structures that might um help us mitigate some of this issue. So they're having those conversations as well in addition to doing all the other work to get us to a solution within the the time frame indicated. Um, just wanted to
share that with you and the community this evening. And again, we'll put this on the website tomorrow. Thank you, Mr. B. And that's uh one more thing real quick. If I could ask the director of public works to come up. Mr. Lo had a question earlier today about the walk signal at
52nd and Fowler and I think Mr. Warren has an answer. Mr. City Council, uh, Jason War, public works director. So as I have constant and quick communication with the vendors that are working with FDOT on the Fowler project um I posed a question to them about 52 and Fowler the pedestrian
signals as all all of us know when we travel across Fowler currently there are ridges from the milling that they're doing so they will not open the pedestrian crossing until the ridges are gone till the friction surface is down. So that in that's anticipated to be
middle se middle or at the end of September. So they do not want to create an ADA compliance issue if they open the pedestrian crossings and there's those ridges in the road. So that is as soon as it'll be open. Thank you, Mr. Warfield. Oh no. Oh, so just one final thing. Uh you all
had the pleasure of of uh listening to our new senior planner, Alyssa Livingstone, uh do a presentation here this evening. I wanted to introduce her and I also want to introduce our new city planner uh Joe Moretta. Um they're both already they're running uh they're
on high speed action in in the department. There's a lot of work to be done but uh if they could just wave at least so we get a f you go. That's that's who they are. That that's all I have. Very good. Any other business? Oh, city attorney's report. Nothing.
Nothing. Okay. Any other business to go? You're not bringing up anything. The building could be on fire. You wouldn't bring up anything. Um, any other business? If not, we will be adjourned. Couple things. Hey. Hey. Hey.