##VIDEO ID:S_XoWiqrALc## Everybody will call the meeting  to order. It's great to see  everybody here. Welcome to the  December 17th meeting of the  Temple Terrace City Council.  I'd like to remind you to  please silence your electronic  devices and let me be the first  to check because that would be  really embarrassing. So if you  would please stand and join me  in the invitation and the  pledge. Lord, as we begin our  meeting tonight, we pause to  thank you for your continued  blessings upon our city. We  thank you for our terrific  residence, business owners and  employees. We know that this is  a difficult time for many  people, and we pray that they  feel your comfort and the  support of the community. We  pray especially for the  families of Charlotte County  Sheriff Sergeant Elio Diaz and  Polk County Sheriff's Deputy  Gregory Maynard. May they feel  the comfort that only you can  provide. We ask for your wisdom  and collaboration tonight as we  continue our work to advance  the common good of our  community. Amen. Yeah Pledge of  allegiance to the flag of the  United States of America and to  the republic for which it  stands one nation under God  indivisible with liberty and  justice for all. Right OK So  for those of you, I think  probably everybody's been to  our meetings in the past year  or so, but if you are new, um,  we do have a small tradition  here where we, uh, at the  beginning of each meeting we  have one of our council members  present a historic or  interesting fact about the city  of Temple Terrace or the area,  and tonight it will be council  member Fernandez, whose idea  this was, so, uh, Council  member Fernandez, you're up. OK. So a lot of you realize that we  have a golf course running  through the city and it's a  lovely green space that some  people use for golf and some  people walk their dogs on, um,  but Temple Terrace is actually  the first master planned  community in the United States  to be built around a golf  course. It was originally named  Temple Terrace Estates, and  some of this you may realize.  And the community, uh, with its  golf course actually became an  integral part of the social  life in the greater Tampa area  and The hub of all of that  social life in Temple Tears  happened at the Temple Terrace  Country Club and Club Morocco.  So both of those buildings,  they were actually in very  close proximity to each other  and both of them are on what is  now Florida College campus, uh,  Club Morocco is gone, but  during its heyday it was a  casino and, uh, it was also the  city of Temple Terrace's  recreation pool, so it's the  the pool where I had swim  practice when I was on the swim  club. Before our current rec  center was built, um, but the  country club was the social hub  of the city and uh offered many  entertainments even to the  greater Tampa area. So, uh, Al  Jolson performed there, uh,  there were dances, there were  parties, there were many other  entertainers that came into the  area that performed at the  country club, and it was also a  hotel for visitors, so a lot of  you may not remember. But if  you do, you know that the older  homes, the 1920s, uh, Spanish  style homes were often only  occupied part of the year for  the season, people would come  here for the winter from colder  northern climates, and they  weren't designed for. A lot of  elaborate cooking. They have  very small kitchens, you if you  owned one of those houses, you  were meant to eat your meals in  the country club, so that was  one of the ways it was also  just a hub of the community  because almost everybody who  was here visiting or residing  in one of their houses, uh, 8  at the country club. So it was,  so the country club was  actually it was completed  between 1922 and 1923, and it  was designed by M. Leo Elliott,  who was a prominent architect  in the Spanish mission style,  and it was known as an elegant  place, um, the entrance  featured a stylish glass and  wrought iron awning and marble  steps, so it's quite ornate and  Paul Shafflin, I don't Chafflin, who also, he actually worked on  the Vizcaya. In Miami, he  decorated the luxurious  clubhouse interior. So it was  it was designed to be very  luxurious and and opulent and  um. Design and expensive, I  guess I'm guessing so it it  featured 36 private guest rooms  and a large dining room and  many seating areas with natural  light and uh the the entire  clubhouse was designed so that  it took in the views of the  river and the natural setting  and the golf course. And It was  very. Oh It was a very  comfortable, but yet fancy  place to hang out, so they had  the locker rooms for people who  wanted to golf. They had pool  tables, they had, uh, obviously  spaces for dining, spaces for  relaxing and all of it was  designed to be very comfortable  and take in the natural setting. Um, and it and it was  absolutely a social center for  everybody who was in Temple  Terrace. So in 1932, however,  The city foreclosed on the  hotel, and it was sold to the  Florida Fundamental Bible  Institute. And then in 1944,  the building was sold to  Florida Christian College,  which is now Florida College,  and it's now known as Sutton  Hall. So those of you who are  familiar with our past. Temple  our past city council meeting  where we discussed the fate,  the future of Sutton Hall, um,  know that this was the original  country club for the city of  Temple Terrace and when Florida  College was utilizing the  building, it served as a  residence hall and also the  kitchen and dining area served  as their cafeteria, I think in  1998 is when they uh replaced  the cafeteria with a different  building. So the original  Temple Terrace building. Along  with the Club Morocco and the  golf course were central to the  lives of residents and visitors  and were critical to the early  development of the city and the  clubhouse, Sutton Hall  showcases the architecture of  Temple Terrace estates, the  lifestyle of a past era and the  heritage of Temple Terrace, so  it is a building that we will  be sad to see uh no longer with  the city as it represents. The  the past of of the purpose of  the city and, and, and why  people came here and what they  did when they were here, but  that is the history of Sutton  Hall, the original Temple  Terrace Country Club for the  golf course and then and not  too short change the orange  groves. They were a very big  part of the city of Temple  Terrace, and people did come  here who were who had some  ownership in groves either in  Temple Terrace or the area to  stay here to be in close  proximity. To them, but so  there were many, there were  other reasons they came to the  city of Temple Terrace besides  golf, but this was the country  club that was for the city and  I do want to encourage people  who are interested. This book  was written by members of the  Preservation Society. It has a  lot of pictures and it's, it's  has, it has some of the history  and some of the information I  used I got from this book and  it does have pictures if you're  interested in it and I know  that there is a way that you  can buy this. But I also know  that the library has several  copies, so I encourage  everybody who's interested to  look at it, and that's it. Good, thank you. That was good. Who's  up next, Cheryl? Do you  remember? The bar's been set  high. OK, the bar's been said  hi. OK, thank you very much,  council member. So next up we  have employee of the month for  November, um, and I'd like to  invite Amy Hutchlet to the  podium, please. So I'm gonna  read from the script, Amy  because that's what I'm  supposed to do, but I think I  could tell this story probably  even better than the script, so. Um, Ms. Hutchler is our uh  employee of the month for  November. She is our public  safety telecommunication  supervisor, so in layman's  terms she runs the 911 center.  That's what she does. And she  consistently goes above and  beyond in her supervisory  position to demonstrating  exceptional dedication,  professionalism, and a positive  attitude that inspires those  around her, uh, that is all  true, but I'm not sure that it  really captures the full extent  of, of uh how important. war  around here. Uh, Amy serves as  our 9/11 dispatch supervisor,  as I said. She's also chair of  the Employees for Employees  Committee and fulfills many  other responsibilities that are  crucial to city operations,  which is true no matter what  you're doing down here at City  Hall, uh, Amy's head seems to  pop up in the middle of  whatever it is, so she wears  many hats around here, uh,  despite facing personal  challenges during Hurricane  Milton, uh, Amy's  professionalism and reliability  shown through. And I'm going to  go off script here a little bit  because I was here when this  happened. I was actually lived  this with. Um, um, Amy was at  the EOC. Well, all the time  that I was there, so I don't  know if she ever went home to  sleep or eat, but she was there  the every time, every day that  I was there, which was most of  the day every day and she was  there, uh, despite her own home  being flooded, uh, and, uh, I  think there was a medical  emergency somewhere in there in  your family as well, she never  left and she's she's talking to  her family about what to do  about the flood and who to call  and get the stuff up off the  floor and and she but she  stayed. that you would see to  work. Um, she remained a  dependable force in dispatch  working long hours as needed to  ensure the department's smooth  operation continued at the end  of November, the fire  department experienced an  unexpected loss of one of our  firefighters, Amy was always  ready to lend a helping hand.  She stepped in to support the  firefighters during this  difficult time by providing  lunch for the firefighters.  This is a testament to her  selflessness and care for her  colleagues, uh, and I could go  on and on and on off script  here, but I won't, so Amy.  You're a huge part of what goes  on around here, um. I, I know  everybody could could talk a  lot about that but we won't. So  would you like to say a few  words? Thank you. That's really  all I can say right now. Thank  you. That is a few words. Let's  give her a round of applause.  double duty today in a  photographer too. Right, yep.  All right. OK. Thank you. Good.  Well done. Mm Next, uh item is  a presentation of the city's  proposed flag and the Temple  Terrace brand architecture and  here to present that is our  marketing and communication  officer Joel Orta, uh, good  evening. Good evening, Joe.  City council members, um, um,  Joel the marketing  communications officer. um,  tonight I'm here to, uh,  present the proposed city flag,  um, first off, I wanna thank  the public for their  submissions to the flag  challenge, um, we got over 40,  um, submissions. And they each,  um, had a piece. To a puzzle,  um, I think the comedian had a  tough time just picking one  winner, um, so I was tasked  with the chance of taking these  ideas and making a cohesive  collaborative flag, and this is  what I came up with. Um, so  it's has a green background, um, the green represents our. Uh,  tree canopy, uh, greenery, uh,  green spaces, um, it pays  homage to the Temple Ari, the  golf course, the Hillsborough  River, and obviously the oak  trees which are now prominent  in the city, um, as well as the  light tower, which is now one  of the entry points into the  city and the two Ts that um are  part of our branding. Um, again, this is a proposed flag and um  if the council wishes we can  come back again as make as a  resolution if that is what the  council's wishes um for it to  be, um, and in that case if we  were to do that. This time we  would include the colors and  the explanation of what  everything represents being  that. back in the past, there  was some sort of a flag, but no  one took that information down,  um. So that's the proposed flag. Then we have what's our brand  architecture. So now I have  more than a year, um, in the  row. When I first got here,  there was a disconnect. There  was an intent to rebrand and  there were two brands floating  around, um, and I felt that the  rebrand wasn't done  successfully. There was a lack  of education of what was going  on, um, so. I felt that the  established brand had pieces  that were valuable and that  could could have been kept. So  I wanted to make a responsive  logo. So responsive logo is um  a lower that can be broken  apart and put into different  mediums but still represent the  same brand, um, it's flexible  if it's multiple marketing  marketing scenarios from  government to social media, um,  for example, one of the some  examples of those are, you know, some of these brands that we  all know, it starts off as the  big logo but then goes down to  as simple as a mark and you  still know what that brand is.  So for us, I like to see the  TTs as our Nike Swish, right?  That's what everyone should  know us for if you see the tes,  think of Temple Terrace, so  that becomes the smallest scale  of our logo and it can be used  as a watermark for merchandise  printing, uh, just it's our  symbol. And then we have our  tagline, Amazing City since  1925, um. I saw part of the  brand, um, when I first got  here, but in reality it is a  tagline, and it is something  that can stand alone just like  Nike uses just do it. It could  be on its own. It could be with  the logo. It can, you know, it  gives us more flexibility. Uh,  then, being that we have so  many services that we provide,  um, as the mayor wants pointed  out, it's like a bunch of  little shops. Having just one  logo doesn't give us the  flexibility and the mobility of  presenting ourselves to the  public. So brand architecture  allows us to have this uh  flexibility of doing different  things, so sometimes the  official logo wouldn't fit well  in certain sponsorship  opportunities or certain color  backgrounds because it was just  that one piece. Um, it also  allows for employee, um,  culture engagement because uh  they can then pick which part  of the brand they like the best  or which one they uh associate  closer to, and it gives us  flexibility for growth if we  have it in the future. So some  examples of a brand  architecture would be these, um, some cities also have the same  method where they have similar  elements that tie back to the  main brand but they still their  own little um shops if you will. So the official government logo  stays the same, right? It's not  that we're eliminating that,  but then that has now a usage.  It's used for official  government, um, use, so for the  city council, for the clerk,  for the, uh, attorney, anything  that comes governmentally will  have this official logo. Then  we have our standard logo,  which is more for common use,  sponsorship, uh, branding,  social media, web, and it, it's  more of a portrait version of  the logo being that that's  where we live now. We're no  longer landscape, so it comes,  it, it gives you more space and  more breath, um, what I did  here was more of a refresh of  the brand. I got rid of the,  the filigrees in the back and  just stack the the temple  terrace, so now it's more, uh,  portrait size. Then we created  a condensed version, so this is  again like I said, sometimes  the logo was so elaborate and  big, it didn't fit well in  certain spaces, so now we have  a third option that gives us  that flexibility to present.  And then we have our sub-brands, so police and fire was already  here when um I got here and  then we created a Parks and Rec, so the Parks and Rec logo still  has elements that ties into the  main brand. So now we have that  ability in the future if we  need to to create more. Then we  have our promotional logos, um,  same thing, they all kind of  tie in. These could be worn off, these could be for advance,  these could be for holidays.  Now we have that flexibility to  create new things, but still  tying into the main brand. So  this would somewhat be with the  architecture will look like at  the moment. And again it's all  fluid now and now it gives us  the mobility to continue to  create if we need to as we grow  or new things um develop or new  changes happen and we have that  mobility to to proceed in the  future. And now we also have  different options of color. So  when I got here, there was just  that one color. Now we've  created a white and a black  version of most brands that way  they fit with better. Color  background, um, and it gives it  more, uh, design qualities. So  for example, when I, uh, some  of our merchandise. They fit  now we don't have to just stick  to that one stitch that  sometimes doesn't come out well, well, now this one might be  simpler or the hearts for, you  know, one off events and it  allows us to be more mobile and  flexible. Thank you, and I  stand for any questions if you  have. Thank you, Joel, um,  council members, questions? Oh  No. So when I first saw the, uh, the beginnings of this year,  there was a Policy associated  with this is that they're gonna  be like a city internal rules  so if somebody, if we're making  up koozies for an event or  something that would be in, in  the policy what brand you would  and would not use so you  wouldn't use that logo on a  koozie. Yeah, so we, we have a  brand guideline book that we  are working on, uh, obviously,  if this, if you approve, then  we'll finish that out and  you'll have the the proper  color usage, uh, what you can  and cannot do. So for example,  you can't retch out the logo,  you can't. change the logo to  any color you want, so I have  more rules to it, um,  associated to these um brand  definitions. OK So Council, I  do need, I don't we need need a  formal vote on this, but I do  kind of want to throw something  out for your soft approval here  seems to me, um, in my  conversations with the city  manager earlier I said, you  know, the flag, I think needs  to be formally adopted in, in a  resolution, um, so at some  point in the near future  whenever we have a fairly light  agenda or something I would  expect um a resolution to come  back so we have it on the.  Records of the city that this  is what the flag is. Um, that  also gives us an opportunity to  put the flag out to the public,  um, now on social media and the  website or wherever to you know  between now and then for the  public to look at it and get  opinions on or, you know,  proposals, although the public  was engaged in the. Design of  it to begin with, this is  another chance for them to  review the. Does that all sound  reasonable to everybody? I do  like the flag. The flag is  really good. I like that. Um, I, we had a discussion. But 2-3  years ago, regarding the logos,  and there was some real people  really got their, their, their  Nickerson and not over the  whole thing, it was being done  surreptitiously and, and I  don't remember all the details.  Does this sort of calm that  down or is will this, will this, because I know they didn't like  the TT and the double T and  people, you know, some people  complained about that, um. To,  to, to, to Carlos, does this,  how's it going, how's that  gonna affect that? So I, I  think I know what you're  referring to is actually a  meeting right before I was  hired. I remember that  conversation. I sort of watched  it on, on, on TV, um. At that  point, I think the direction  that they were, the staff at  the time was no longer here,  was pursuing was this notion of  almost replacing the logo. That  is not what we're recommending  this evening. We're keeping the  logo. What we're doing is, I  think what Joel did a very nice  job of showing us, we're sort  of following this business  corporate model, which is the  logo is your home and you're,  you're working off your home in  different contexts where it  might fit better for different,  you know, whatever you're  you're using it for at the time. So we're, we're maintaining  fidelity to the city logo that  a lot of people put an effort  into, and we're not changing  there. We're not going to  dispose of that. I think it's  good. I, I like the whole  concept of being able to parse  it out and use little use the  pieces of it, but, but having  an established set of rules  that, that everybody within the  city follows. I think that's  going to be very beneficial  going forward. I like the whole  concept. Thank you. Attitude,  Mister Dwart to thank you if  there's nothing. Oh, do you  have something? Oh, OK, uh,  council member Schler's  comments. Thank you. I echo  echo. No, this is, this is  really good, uh, good work, uh,  Mr. Dorta. This is what we've  been trying to get to and, and,  uh, this is what. Other brands  do, uh, you know that that USF,  the airport I've read their  their manual, um, USF has a  very complicated manual, but  it's all, you know, the,  between the horns and USF and  USF Health and you know,  there's a lot of different  sub-brands and uh the sheriff's  office has different, so this  is, this is where we need to be  so thank you for doing this and  I know you've been working on  this for a while because we've  been talking so a smaller  verses of the flag be available? residences. Once we do the  resolution, then we'll get. Big  ones and little ones and then  we'll have it out there. Thank  you, Mr. All right, counsel,  there are 2 regular  appointments to be made to the  library board. Um, there are 2  regular member vacancies on the  library board with terms  expiring on December the 21st.  Two of the current members  whose terms are expiring are  Jessica King's Buckley and  Nathan Johnson, uh, both have  reapplied. We've also received  application, well, we've  received applications for those  two, but also from some others,  so our total list is Jessica  King's Buckley, Juan Ferera.  Nathan Johnson, Suzanne Knapp,  and Cynthia Wilhite, uh, have  applied, so we have 12345  applicants, uh, and 2 vacancies, which is a really good problem  to have. We do not usually have  that problem, um, and I'm sure  you've read their applications,  all of them are, uh, really  excellent people and so. Um,  who the three who were not  selected tonight, I want to  assure you that um we will look  for a way to put you to work if  you want to volunteer for the  city, so, um, OK, are any of  them here and would you like to  say a few words? You don't have  to, but you're welcome to if  any of the 5 are here. I don't  see anybody rushing up. Yes,  ma'am. Would you like to say a  few words? You have to come up  to the podium. You don't have  to if you don't want to, but  you're welcome. I always feel  like I'm putting people on the  spot so you don't. Welcome  Cynthia. I've moved here about  3 years ago, um, I love Temple  Terrace. I've been a big fan of  the library since a kid, so, um, I just, I wanted to a way to be  involved in the community, so  when I saw the application open, I. applied, so But thank you  for the opportunity. I hope to  hear my name, so thank you and  thank you for being here.  Anybody else. OK, council  members, there are 2 ballots.  So we will select one name per  ballot. I guess it's how we're  doing this. One ballot. I  wondered why we had 2. OK, so  we'll just do one ballot. There  you go. What's the number we  have to get to 270, is that how  this works bringing back  flashbacks, all right. But  while the clerk tabulates those, I do want to say to the 3 who  applied that everybody can't  get appointed here, but, uh,  thank you all 5 of you for your  willingness to serve the city  and uh I'm very serious about,  you know, if you're stuck on  library board, then we'll get  you there sooner or later, but  there's also other  opportunities that we can  always use citizen involvement  and so thank you for stepping  up. Uh, I wish we could have  boards big enough to  accommodate or hate. turn the  volunteers away. That's like  the worst thing in the world,  yeah. Uh, well, I, I do want to  add to that that all of the  boards that the city appoints  volunteers to are public, so  even if you are not appointed  to a board that you were  interested in, you can still  attend those meetings and keep  up to date with what's going on  for for any of the citizen  boards. That's very good. Thank  you. Madam clerk, um, Council  member Schisler voted for, um,  King's Buckley and Nathan  Johnson. Mayor Ross voted for  Kingsley and Nathan Johnson. Um  Alice, uh, Council member  Fernandez voted for King's  Buckley and Nathan Johnston.  Council member Chambers voted  for King's Buckley, and Nathan  Johnson, and Councilman Kravitz  voted for Nathan Johnson and  Suzanne Knapp, so the two  highest are the current members, which is. Kings Buckley and  Nathan Johnson. Very good. Um,  is there a motion to approve,  uh, Jessica Kings Buckley and  Nathan Johnson. As regular  members of the library board  for a term extending from  December 17, 2024 until  December 17, 2027. I But made  the motion? Council member  Kravitz, OK, and seconded by  Council member Schier, all  those in favor say aye I  opposed. No nays. Very good.  Thank you to the, to the two  for reapplying and to the three  of you for your willingness to  step up and I look forward to  seeing, uh, the three of you in  the future. Counsel, has  everybody had an opportunity to  review the minutes from our  December 3rd meeting, and if so, is there a motion to approve  the motion in 2nd is a  discussion or corrections to  the minutes, seeing none, all  those in favor say aye, I  opposed, no nays. minutes or  adopted there or. Uh, now we're  on persons wishing to be heard  on items not listed on the  agenda or items on the consent  agenda. There are forms in the  back of the room if you wish to  address the council, uh, we do  have a, I'd like to read this  once in a while. I don't think  this has been a problem for a  while, but we do have a 30  minute time limit on this  portion of the meeting and what  we do is if there's too many  people, we stop at 30 minutes  and then we continue at the end  of the meeting that way we can  get business done. Uh, we  haven't had that. happened in a  long time, but I like to say it  once in a while in case it  happens, it's not the first  time people have heard it. We  do have a 3 minute time limit  imposed on all comments from  each person, and we ask that  the speakers come to the podium  and state their name and city  of residence. I currently have  one request to speak from a Mr.  and Mrs. Kris Kringle Well,  here we go. Christmas holidays.  Pay of citizens of Temple  Terrace. Welcome. Thank you,  thank you, is it right to limit  Santa to 3 minutes. I don't  know if that's it. I'm gonna  let you make that decision, but  I have a 3 hour speech. Well,  maybe we'll, my name is Santa  Claus, and this is Mrs. Claus,  and we reside at 0001 North  Pole. I am actually here on  official business tonight. It  is my honor and my privilege.  To bring to you tidings of joy  and good news. We have all been  waiting, I know, to find out  how's the city council been on  the good list for the naughty  list. Well, I'm pleased to  report with all of the emails.  And all of the snail mails and  all of the texts that I have  gotten that the children. Of  the city of Temple Terrace.  have greatly enjoyed the 4th of  July parade, the fall festival.  And Winter Wonderland, which I  got to attend was a great event. Lovely golf carts you have here  in this city. The citizens have  been very pleased with  especially your leadership  through the storms and the  hurricanes this year. And of  course the thing that always  puts one close to the good list  is not raising taxes. We have  no taxes at the North Pole. And  finally, On behalf of the  citizens of the of the temple  terrace employees who have been  flooding me with emails lately  on your leadership. And your  generosity in giving them  Christmas Eve off. I'm pleased  to report that the Temple  Terrace City Council has made a  good list. clause is provided.  Some goodies for each of you.  Thank you. Thank you. Of course, it's peppermint to keep you up  during your long laborious  meetings. Enjoy, enjoy. Thank  you. Thank you. Only one for  you. That's OK happily happily  happily happily on the No  lawsuits get sent candy canes  for you. For everyone. Helpy  holidays. Merry Christmas.  Happy Hanukkah. Ho ho ho. Very  That's a first. I don't even  know what to say after that I  kind of got me speechless or I  don't currently have any other  request to speak. Is anybody  brave enough to want to follow  that, we do have forms and you  are uh OK. Very well then, uh.  Ladies and gentlemen, is there  a motion to approve the consent  agenda. OK. All those in favor  say aye I opposed no nays  resolution approving the  consent agenda is approved. Uh,  next item is a resolution  approving a two-year contract  for audit services with Forbus.  Mazer's Mazer Mazars Forbes  Mazars LLC for the fiscal year  ending September 30th, 2024,  and for the fiscal year ending  September 30, 2025, and our  finance director, Mr. Ingram is  here to explain. Good evening.  Good evening, Mr. Mayor, City  council. I never thought I  would be following Santa Claus.  But uh This is a resolution  approving a two-year contract  for audit services with Forbus  Mazars LLC for the fiscal year  ending September 30th, 2024,  and for the fiscal year ending  September 30th, 2025. City  council adopted resolution 5124  on June 4th, 2024, approving a  two-year contract for MSLPA to  perform the city's financial  audit for fiscal year ending  September 30th, 2024, and  fiscal year in September 30th,  2025. Effective November 1,  2024. For us Mazars LLP  acquired the assets of MSLPA.  Requiring the city to sign a  new agreement with the same  terms. Same amount, most  importantly, this the same  amount. To reflect the new firm. The former MSLPA audit team  headed by Jeff Wolf, have  transferred to Forvis Mazars  LLP and will continue to  perform the financial audits  for the city of Temple Terrace.  The city of Temple Terrace  Audit Committee met with Jeff  Wolf on December 2nd, 2024 to  discuss the change and have  recommended that the city enter  into the new agreement with For  us Mazars LLP. Staff recommends  that council approve the  two-year contract with Forvi  Mazars LLC, and I stand for any  questions. Thank you Thank you,  Mr. Inge members of the public  who wish to comment on this  item. Council members, any  questions for Mr. Ingram? If  there are no questions, is  there a motion? Yes, all right,  um, move to approve a  resolution approving a two-year  contract for audit services  with 44vis Mazer LLC for the  fiscal year ending September 30, 2024, and for the fiscal year  ending September 30, 2025.  second, but I We have them  listed as LLC, but in their  documents their LLP. I mean, I  don't think it's. OK, I'm Mr  shown is that fundamental to  the motion? Oh, I'm sorry, that, that is correct, LLP. I will  amend my motion to LLP. And our  second. OK, so that's fine and  then we'll, um, correct the  actual resolution to reflect  the motion. Further discussion  of the motion. I think it's um  excuse me, I think that it's a  good move, um, they get their  stronger company, they're  bigger and uh uh it provides  more opportunities for us if we  need, if we need any guidance  or anything in any of the areas  that a bigger base, so I think  it's a good move and I'm a  favorite of it. Other  discussion of the motion. Not  all those in favor say I I  opposed, no nays resolution was  adopted. Thank you, Mr. Ingram.  Next item is a resolution  approving the revised. CDBG,  which is community development  block grant agreement with  Hillsborough County's Board of  County commissioners, Assistant  Finance Director Jennifer  Newman is here to explain.  Hello, Mrs. Newman. Good  evening, Honorable Mayor and  council. Um, the item I have  for you this evening is a  resolution to approve an  updated interlocal agreement  between Hillsborough County and  the city of, um, the city to  fund infrastructure  improvements under the  Community Development Block  grant known as CDBG. The  original agreement was approved  by resolution during council  meeting on November 19, 2024.  However, prior to the county  signing their approval of that  agreement, they noted a couple  of items that they wanted to  update. First, the funding was  reduced by $6,565 from 542,993  to an amount not to exceed  536,428. And second, there were  exhibits and an additional  article were added for the  Build America Buy America Act,  which is a new act which  outlines the compliance  requirements for the city and  for contractors who perform  work on CDBG projects. Um, at  this time, staff recommends  council approve the updated  interlocal CDB CDB. I can't  even say it. CDBG agreement  with Hillsborough County, and  I'm happy to answer any  questions you may have. Thank  you, Jennifer. I do have a  couple, but first we'll go to  public comment. Are there  members of the public who wish  to comment on this item. And  Jennifer, is that what these,  I'm sorry, Mr. Newman, is that  what these attachments are for  my signatures this related to  this having to do with foreign.  This is something else, OK,  never never mind. I do have a  new agreement that um counselor  or, um, Phoshone has. That is,  um, has the new amount in it  and has um some additional  articles and additional  exhibits for the Build America  Buy America. Why was it reduced? Did they explain? I think that  they had a miscalculation when  they first did the, the first  agreement and when they went to  review the calculation, they  determined that they needed to  reduce it. OK, thank you.  council member, did you have a  question answered the first  part. The second part is, um,  how this is already in our  capital plan for usage through  the uh For the, for the next  year or two. Yes, we do already  have it in the budget, but we,  um, we can reduce that budget  or we just won't spend as much  as, yeah. OK. Thank you. Other  questions, Council member  Fernandez. Can you describe  Exactly what the city is  allowed to spend this money on  and what What actual projects  the community would see from  this funding. So this funding,  um, they would take me a long  time to describe everything  that it can actually be spent  on, but we do have specific  projects, so the areas have to  be determined under a census  that they fall within um a  blighted area or an area that  needs improvement and so the  federal government passes the  money on to the county and then  the county passes the money to  us to improve those areas for  infrastructure for. um, water  main lines, uh, streets,  sidewalks, things like that  that will help improve those  areas in the city, we cannot  use it just anywhere in the  city. It has to be in an area  that has been approved through,  um, the Hillsborough County  BOCC. So for the. projects that  we have budgeted in our capital  improvement plan or, or in the  budget for this upcoming year.  We already know that those  projects meet the guidelines  Hillsborough County has  established or the federal  government has established when  we apply for the funding, we  have to tell them specifically  what projects we plan on doing,  what we expect those amounts to  be and what area those those  projects are going to be  completed in and so they have  to be approved prior to this  agreement, even coming to the  council. Yeah. Other questions?  If there are no more questions,  or is there a motion? To prove  the revised CDGB agreement with  Hillsborough County BOCC. 2. Is  there a discussion of the  motion? I do have one quick  comment for whoever um. So I've  brought this up a couple of  years in a row. I, I have  repeatedly talked to Mayor  Castor about this because our  CDBG area brushes right up  against their CDB area and  Hillsborough County also has a  piece of that and so I, I have  tried to encourage all three  parties to Talk about their  proposals and projects and if  we were to. Each take a piece  of a project we could probably  do a project that may be a  little bigger and a little more  impactful to the community  rather than just another 200 ft  of sidewalk, which is important, but what I'm saying is if Tampa  puts some money in and we put  some money in and we're right  across the street from each  other. We may be able to do  something that's even more  impactful, so I, I hope I don't  know if that's. Happening, but  now it's not the time because  we've already identified the  projects but next year I, I  hope that that happens, so  we're good. All right, all  those in favor say aye I  opposed. No nays, resolution is  adopted. Thank you. Next is a  resolution authorizing and  directing the city manager to  bring forward a purchase and  sale agreement for acquisition  of property involving folio  number 036598-0000 located at  5017 East 127th Avenue, Temple  Terrace at a public meeting on  January the 21st, 2025 for city  council consideration. City  manager B will explain. Thank  you, Mr. Mayor, members of  council, so, um, as, as the  council knows, the pleasant  terrace neighborhood at the  northwest end of our community,  uh, was developed largely in  the 70s without any stormwater  management infrastructure. Um,  in fact, much of that water  historically has flowed uh from  the impervious areas down to  the natural low point of that  neighborhood, which is at the  western end of East 127th  Avenue. The county recognized  some of those challenges and in  the 80s and 90s when this  property was unincorporated,  actually placed strainage  easements on several properties  in that, in that particular  location. Uh, those easements  while they, they were a means  of trying to address the  stormwater concerns. Have  become an issue of chronic  concern uh because there's  still significant amounts of  water that flow and go into all  those those properties causing  erosion, uh, leaving standing  water in some cases for days  and in some instances, also the  water makes its way into the  actual homes. Uh, city council,  as you know, the staff's been  looking at this issue for  several years. The ideal  solution for this problem would  be to remove the properties in  that area in that low point and  create a large retention  facility. Um, we looked at that  at the time when we were  preparing the capital program,  uh, we just didn't have any  situation where there is a  person willing to sell and  relocate and things like that,  and we were not about to  recommend eminent domain for a  number of different  complications. Uh, so because  of that last year in August of  2023, utilities director uh Tin  came before you and sought  approval to move forward on a  capital program in that area  that would have basically uh  recognize the same drainage  easements, but scraped out some  of the material, the vegetative  material that's accumulated  over the years, uh, and also  rehabilitated the nearby lift  station. Um We were hoping that  that obviously would would be a  solution, uh, city of staff has  continued to work towards that  goal. However, there's been  some complications from, from  the property owners there still  with some added safeguards they  want retaining walls, things  like that, so it's made that  project a little bit harder to  implement. With Hurricane  Milton, um, a home in the, uh,  sort of the main receiving  point of that in that easement  area, uh, was impacted this  property is at 5017 East 127th  Avenue. Uh, and that property  is actually owned by an uh  limited liability corporation  who's managing partner happens  to be our city attorney. Um,  the city attorney prior to the  storm well prior to the storm  had had told me and a number of  our staff that um she was  planning to retire in July of  next year, July 2025 and we'd  be selling our home in the  spring, uh, in light of the  events of Milton and the  context about everything going  on. I approached the city  council about the possibility  of us looking to acquire that  property to tear it down, in  fact, build a retention area.  In November, uh, the city  council authorized me to engage  the services of the outside law  firm of Gray Robinson. The  reason we wanted an outside law  firm is we wanted to again make  it very clear we want to have a  buffer between the city and the  and the city attorney obviously  in this negotiation to make  this as evident as possible. We  want to do everything ethically  and above board. Uh, the firm  advised the city and Mho at the  time that Florida statute.  112.313, uh, actually prohibits  a public officer from selling  property to its agency, but  there is an exemption in that  same statute that exists if the  sale will protect our  residents' health, safety and  welfare, which we have  advocated that this would do.  Um, and it's important to note  for the council and the public  that that that that statute. Um, applies to the seller in this  case, to the municipal public  officer. It does not apply to  the city, so the onus of  compliance with that statute,  uh, it relies or is on Ms.  Shoshone. Uh, Mr.one has  advised that she's actually put  in a request with the Florida  Commission on Ethics for an  informal written adviser  opinion which she hopes to  receive prior to January 21  should the council wish to move  forward on this issue. At this  point, both parties are  operating under the, the, the  assumption that this would meet  the criteria for the exemption.  Um Upon moving forward with  council authorization and  commissioning the former Gray  Robinson, the city at the  attorneys at the Gray Robinson  attorney's recommendation  commissioned two independent  appraisals. The values of those  appraisals for this property  came in, uh, one came in at  $460,000. Another one came in  at $474,000. The parties have  tentatively agreed to a  purchase price of 465,000 with  a closing date of February 28,  2025. Uh Tonight we're asking  for the councils that this be  set for consideration. It's  January 21st, 2025 agenda. And  that is to provide 30 days'  notice, which is the same  practice that we did when we  acquired property in Harney  Road. We want to make sure the  public has enough time to uh to  uh look at this issue. And uh  that's what's on for your  consideration tonight. Good,  thank you, Mr. B. or other  members of the public who wish  to come in and asylum. Council  member. Questions for Mr. BU.  council member Kravitz, Carlos,  I just wanted to thank you for  that really good summary. I  appreciate that. Um, I was  interested to hear that, uh,  Pamela has asked for a formal  ethical opinion we do have the  rules of decorum so Mr. B and  Mr. Sean, please. Thank you. I,  uh, was just interested to find  out that Mr. Sun has asked for  a formal ethical opinion. And  uh I was also happy to hear  that we've engaged attorneys,  um, how do you feel about  getting a formal opinion of our  own from the attorneys that  we've engaged that there are no  issues or impediments on our  end. I know you said that. The  ethical issue only in yours to  Mr. Cheng. So it should be a  very short opinion. So I did  speak with the the attorneys at  Gray Robinson about this and so  they're, they're again what  they mention is that really the  the onus is on Mr as the seller  here. Uh, they, uh, they, what  they contemplate is in the  findings, they will prepare the  resolution should counsel say  yes tonight to set it for the  21st. What they will do is they  will help us prepare the  resolution. They will include  the findings which will provide  the necessary justification for  compliance with the statute by  all parties, um, so in their  mind that is their sort of  legal opinion if you, if you  will, not necessarily a legal  opinion in in the true  definition, but in that in the  sense of that that will give  the, the, the premise, the  supporting documentation. To  support this action. Um If  counsel wants to pursue a legal  opinion. Again, not really sure  what the, what they would be  looking to provide a legal  opinion on for, for us, uh,  however, if you do that, just  please note that that that  would be billable hours for  them. Uh, they've already  indicated what they're planning  to do for us that they feel  would be they're comfortable  enough for making the  recommendation through the  resolution. Um That would be  something again it's council's  desire if you, if you want to  do that, we can. That's not  what they recommended, but we  could do that. Obviously there  would be an added cost to that.  You still have the floor. All  right, well be on the floor. Go  ahead. Oh, are you done? I said  I yield the floor. Oh, OK.  Other questions, Council member  Fernandez? So my, my question  is for a city manager and that,  well, maybe not, but uh. Really  in regards to the storm water  and the easements and will this. Well, the purchase of this  property give the city the  necessary. Location and and  volume the size to accommodate  the drainage, uh, and make the  project so that it's, it will  alleviate the problem that that  area has had. So It will  definitely be a, a, a better  improvement than what we  currently have on the books.  What we have on the books would  have left the house there, we'd  be working around the edges and  it, it would be better than  that. Uh, will it provide the  capacity for to alleviate every  single problem in Pleasant  Terrace and all the water, I, I  wouldn't be able to say that,  uh, it's definitely a step in  the right direction. If we were  to acquire all the homes in the  drainage easement area, which  may be 345 homes, uh. Then yes,  that would be a much better  improvement, but that would be  very cost prohibitive and also  people aren't necessarily  willing to sell and have to  relocate from their property.  So at this point. Uh, we see  this as being a very good and a  good opportunity to do  something here, uh, what we  plan to do if council would  approve this in January, if  Council said it even for  January. would be after we  close within several weeks, we  tear this property down. We'd  scrape out the foundation and  basically create a retention  area. There would be, we'd want  to make sure that's done in an  expeditious manner so that it's  well done well before the start  of hurricane season. OK, so for  the city's purposes, this  actually solves a problem that  we weren't necessarily able to  provide as encompassing a  solution prior. to this  property becoming available.  What it, what it does is it  provides us a much better  solution than we previously had. to address the, the stormwater  retention issues in that  neighborhood. So when we look  at this, does it protect the  public health, welfare and  safety of our neighbors of that  particular neighborhood, I  would say definitely does for  public welfare because when the  water flows and if it ponds and  it damages those properties and  it flows out, it doesn't just  stay there, it it goes places,  right? So if you take out some  of the impediments, the  structural impediments, you  open up an area where that  water can percolate and in most  storms that would probably be  sufficient, obviously, if we  get a storm like a, you know.  major, major storm with lots of  waterfall, um, rainfall, and we  have existing saturated  conditions, it won't be the end  all be all. There might still  be some overflow, but I think  it's a much better alternative  and if you want to ask that,  I'm sure they would see the  engineer or or public works  director, utilities director,  they would confirm that to be  the case. OK, and then, uh, I  have a, a question about the  choice of appraisers and  obviously we spoke about it  earlier, but I just, can you  just give the public the  information as to how you  selected the appraisers. that  they know that they were  independent. Certainly, so at  first we actually asked our uh  outside attorneys Gray Robinson  to provide us with a list of  appraisers. Uh, it turns out  that many of those appraisers  were solely for commercial  property that's their area of  expertise, um, so Jeannie  Barlow, my assistant,  eventually went through and  just looked at appraisers, um,  found it through a search  engine. Um, and selected  appraisers who are certified uh  to do that. There was no  interference by any other party  in that, that's basically we  just did that ourselves, uh,  looking to find independent  appraisers, and we picked two.  Thank you. So Other questions  council membership. Uh, back to  the, uh, the, uh, problem that  this solve the problem issue.  If I remember correctly, we had  like 43 or 4 options of how to  remedy the situation. One of  them was being acquire all the  properties which is, you know,  a bazillion dollars, and then  there was others too, uh. Do  some infrastructure changes,  increase the pump size, if I  remember correctly. What's the  status of that portion of it  because it's all going to work  together, it just makes it a  lot, a lot more efficient  moving forward. So the part of  the, part of the project that  was approved last year, there  are multiple components. One  component was to get to scrape  out the vegetation that drain,  but the other component, the  very important component, was  to rehabilitate the lift  station that's nearby because  the county installed the  station in the 90s. That  facilitates the water being  sent from this drainage area  over to a borrow pit that FDOT.  It's not an ideal solution, but  it's, it's what, what happened  to work there for several  decades. Uh, the city, city  council, um, several meetings  ago approved a $608,000  contract to do that portion of  it, so we're gonna do that  because that's. Regardless of  what you do this evening.  That's still necessary because  that again this this property  accepts water and eventually  that water is pumped out to  that borrow pit. But it'll make  it, it, it, it'd be an  improvement over, over just  that alone. It will be much  better off for the city in the  long run. Yes, sir, we feel so.  Thank you. I have one more  question. Council member  Fernandez, so this question is  more a procedural question  right now, the city attorney's  contract requires that the city  attorney reside in the city of  Temple Terrace. If we, the city  purchases this house, the city  attorney won't have a home in  the city of Temple Terrace, and  So I think, so I think we need  to obviously discuss If the  city attorney is planning to  retire in 6 months, I would be  willing to forego the  requirement that the city  attorney reside in the city  because I think it would be  burdensome to find it, try to  find a new place to live,  consider especially considering  There's not very many houses  for sale. In that time period,  but I don't know procedurally  if we go forward with this. How  that works. Would it be OK if I  reply to that? OK, so, um, I'm  glad you brought it up. We're  trying to keep these two items  separate, but they are related,  you're right. So Um, it would  require, assuming that this  deal closed, it would require a  revision to Mr. Scholl's  employment contract because you  were correct, it has a  residency requirement. Um We  really can't task that to the  city manager because they're  both charter officers that they  she she works for the council,  not for, um, the city so we um  normally it doesn't have to be  this way. It's not set in stone  anywhere historically uh what  has happened is the council has  empowered the mayor to  negotiate these terms and  revisions, um, and then bring  that back to counsel for  discussion and approval. can't  obviously approve it has to be  approved by counsel at a, at a  meeting, um. After if this is  the direction that the council  wants to go and I was going to  bring up the idea that, um, OK,  it probably would be a good  idea and it doesn't have to be  me if you don't want that, but,  but somebody, one of the 5 of  us needs to be tasked with  negotiating this revision to  this contract with Miss  Shoshone, um. And bringing that  back for council's  consideration, and it really  needs to be brought back.  Before the close of this  property because we don't wanna  close on this property and then  have a council say well no  we're not going to excuse her  from living in the city and  then she said, well, I would  have never sold you the house  if, you know, so we really need  to come. Approve the contract  revisions and it would be  simple to do that, saying  contingent upon the closing of  the sale of this real estate,  these revisions would be  approved. And so if the sale  were to fall through, her  contract would remain the same  and so that's the, that  wouldn't be in this motion per  se, but that would be the next  related thing that we, yeah,  and that's my suggestion, um,  I'm fine with I'm fine with  that, yeah, we, we would  discuss that probably next if  this were the council's wishes.  All right, that's that's all I  have. OK. Are there other  questions inquiry to the city  attorney, if I may. I'm sorry.  I have a point of inquiry to  the city attorney, if I may. Mr. Mueller, yeah, OK, yes, please,  Mr. Kravis, are you, uh, uh,  Obviously I've heard. This is a  low risk transaction to the  city. I'm happy to hear that.  Uh, without a legal opinion.  Regarding the interpretation of  some of the statutes that have  been discussed. Are you in a  position to say that this  carries no legal risk to Temple  Terrace? Yes, uh, I, I feel  very comfortable moving forward, especially with outside counsel  guiding us on this, but I do, I, in my reading of the statute, I  feel we fall within that, uh.  Public health safety exemption.  Requirement, um, and it will  help the city. OK, thank you. I  read Mbush I'll let you unless  there's other questions Council  resolution authorized direct  city manager to bring forward a  purchase purchase sale  agreement for acquisition of  property folio, um, oh God,  36598-000 located at 5017 East  117th, um, for consideration,  uh, at a public meeting on  January 21st, 2025. OK. Motion  in the 2nd discussion of the  motion. If not all those in  favor of signify with I opposed. No knees, no counsel, it's not  on the agenda, but I would ask  if it is your desire. Um, that  you Empower somebody to  negotiate just the terms of the  employment. Contract revisions  to approve authorizing the  mayor to uh negotiate the  revised contract with the city  attorney motion 2.s discussion.  If not, all those in favor say  aye, I opposed. OK, very good.  Thank you, counsel. We will now  move on to council business, uh, consideration of a revised  conceptual plan for 10851  Raulerson Ranch Road and our  community development director  Gregolley will explain when  these gentlemen have been  waiting patiently for we're  finally to you, Ash. didn't  Good evening, Mayor and council. Um, if I could please have the  slide. The nights, uh, request  is for your consideration of  the conceptual plan associated  with the property that the city  recently sold to Terrace Real  Estate Holdings LLC. Uh, this  is a 20 acre more or less  parcel located near the  southeast corner of Interstate  75 and Fowler Avenue. The  original sale, um. Agreement  was adopted in October of 2022.  Since that time, council has  adopted 3 amendments to that  agreement. The First Amendment,  January 2023 updated deadline  for closing and also clarified  certain terms within the  original agreement. The 2nd  Amendment was adopted by  council in February of 2024.  That amendment, um, changed the  primary use of the property  originally the primary use of  the property was, uh, an  educational institution, uh for  uh a technical school. And  through adoption of this 2nd  Amendment, it was changed to  for the development of a  residential project and then  the 3rd amendment was adopted  by council in October of 2024,  and that amendment extended the  deadline for the uh property  owner and developer to deliver  to the city. And conceptual  plan that, uh, the city found  uh acceptable. Before I go to  the next slide, I would like to  add that. The Second Amendment  was Based upon a clause in the  original agreement which  allowed the change of use to  come forward based on a  feasibility study and if you  recall that feasibility study  was, uh, provided by the  property owner at that time.  This, uh, conceptual plan  includes two options, uh, both  options are very, very similar,  um, referenced here, we have  option A, which includes 6  residential buildings with 60  units per building for a total  of 360 Residential apartment  units also including a  clubhouse and various common  areas throughout the property.  The significant change between  option A and option B is the  location of the main entry  gatehouse in option A, you see  it located on the parcel on the  west side of the parcel near  the near the right of way, but  still within the boundaries of  the parcel. Option B, the 1st 3  callouts there have not changed. The, uh, significant change  here is with that main entry  gatehouse. This option shows it  located within the right of way. The property owner is working  with the Florida Department of  Law Enforcement who currently  has, um, the right of way. Uh,  for Raulerson Ranch, as most of  you realize that was a service  road back in the day when the  interstate system was developed  and that is how the Florida  Department of Law Enforcement,  I'm sorry, I said it again.  Florida Department of  Transportation, see what  happens after 30 years in that  other job? Um Florida  Department of Transportation,  um. They're working with them  to seek a vacation of that  right of way, uh, so that they  can push that main entry  gatehouse out into what is now  the right of way space which  will afford them approximately  35 additional parking spaces on  their property. Here is a  visual rendering of the product  they wish to build. And a quick, uh, Note here on future land  use designations, the current  designation of that parcel is  public semi-public. Um, on  September 9th of this year, the  planning commission found that  the proposed future land use  change to a residential 18, uh,  to be consistent with the  Temple Terrace Comprehensive  plan? And if found acceptable  tonight, the next steps in the  lineup would be for an  amendment to our comprehensive  plan. And then the uh property  owner would then need to make  an application to rezone the  property, uh, to support the  multi-family residential  development. And again, if  found acceptable, staff  recommends approval by motion  of the buyer's revised  conceptual plan to include both  options in the event that they  successfully acquire the  vacated right of way. The exact  location of the, the gatehouse,  the main entry gatehouse, uh,  is subject to that vacation as  well, it will be determined  during the, uh, site plan  review process, the exact  location will be set by the  site plan review process. And  with that, I'm available for  any questions you may have. I  will point out that we have a  representative of the property  owner as well as the developer  in the audience here tonight  who is also willing to take any  questions you may have for them. Thank you, Mr. Pawley is the,  uh, representative of the owner  was to say anything, make any  remarks? You can. You don't  have to. It's up to you. OK,  are there members of the public  who wish to address this issue.  Very well, council member,  questions. Yes. Council member  Fernandez. So with regard to  the major change depending on  FTOTs vacation or not is  parking. Is there? How would  that impact this development  because I mean I'm like, you  know, I'm looking at the trees  and that's, that's all about  the same, so it's really more  parking spaces or does the  option A. have the parking  spaces that a development of  this size would require. Anyway  I believe and I'll, I'll invite  uh the developer to uh. Correct  me if I misspeak on this. I  believe option A calls for  approximately 630 parking  spaces. Option B, adds an  additional 35 spaces, um, now  the actual nut nuts and bolts  of how many parking spaces will  be required, will be worked out  through the site plan review  process because that of course  depends on if those units are 1  bedroom, 2 bedroom, or 3  bedroom. OK, so that. That kind  of detail is going to come  before us if this goes forward  in the site plan review and we  will know at that time,  regardless of whether the FDOT  makes a change in the service  road or doesn't, the number of  parking spaces will already  have been parceled out. Or  Allocated based on the number  of units and the occupation, uh, uh, occupancy of those units.  That is exactly correct. Um, I  would just like to add that the  approval of a conceptual plan  because a conceptual plan is a  general approval of the layout  and the appearance of the, of  the development, um, conceptual  plans are subject by very  nature to certain changes and  modifications as the final  planning and development comes  together, um. That is why  tonight's request is uh  approval by motion and not a  formal land action before you  because the next land action  that will come before you, um,  will most likely be an  amendment to a comprehensive  plan followed quickly, shortly  thereafter by an application to  rezone and then after that,  then you would, the next thing  to expect would be your site  plan. OK, so then, uh, as,  along with the drainage storm  water retention or Handling the  stormwater retention, that  would all be part of the final  site plan and. Not, I mean,  even though they're, they're  here, they're on this.  Rendition, but it's speculative  at this point. Um, yes, uh, in,  in general sense, um, again,  the concept concept plan is is  a working model to, to work  from, um. With the availability  to make those minor  modifications as development  occurs, um. As far as storm  water concerns and things of  that nature, that will all go  through the DRC process and uh  a, a project of this size, I'm  sure will, there will be some,  uh, comments and then responses  from our team back to the  developer and then back again.  OK, so, so my, my last question  is about the conceptual plan  process, and that is if we, so  we go forward and let's say we  approve this conceptual plan.  How do we know? Right now. That  we don't. It's so like if I  approve this conceptual plan  and neighbors come to me after  the fact and say no, this isn't  consistent with the  neighborhood or the planning  department or a planning  commission comes back and says  this isn't consistent with the  neighborhood. What, how does  that impact The decision that  we've made. Well, again, the  conceptual plan is just a  working model. Um, it, it, it  affords the team behind me the  opportunity to take those next  steps in their planning and  development of their project,  um, all of this, of course, is  worked out both with staff and  also presented before council  prior to the first shovel ever  turning dirt, so those things  are all addressed at that time.  That's it. Thank you. Good  Other questions council member.  Oh, I'm sorry, uh, council  member Chambers I just, uh, to  clarify the conceptual plan is  so we if this is approved  tonight they can do apartments  they can't come back and do.  Many warehouses or strip malls  or anything unless there are  conceptual plan changes again.  That is exactly correct,  because if you recall going  back to the original agreement,  um, there was, um, There was  calls in there to develop the  educational institution. From  that point in that 2nd  Amendment is when that changed  and when that changed, there  was, um, clauses added at that  time to require the developer  to prepare an amended or  revised concept plan and bring  it forward. And that's what  we're here tonight for. Thank  you. Council memberchisler,  yeah, a couple questions real  quick. What you said public  semi-public. Can you elaborate  on that a little bit, um, that  would be for our use for um the  development of various  infrastructures if you recall  the history of this particular,  um, piece of property. There  was a time in our history when  um it was being considered for  utility services, and when it  was determined that that was  not. That was no longer a need  for our community on this  property. Um We retained the  property that we're talking  about tonight, which has since  been sold, and then the  adjacent parcel next door, uh,  that abuts the canal was dated  back to Swift mud. Oh, OK, so  that's that's what that deals  with. That's what that is. So  the change to the comprehensive  plan. What's that what's,  what's that going to entail for  us as a, it'll come forward,  it'll, um, it'll be a process  that our city planner will,  will, um, address with the  planning commission and it'll  come forward as a text  amendment to our comprehensive  plan. So it'd be just related  to this issue or item or  whatever. Yeah, cause we're  changing the FLU on that parcel. OK, so then what, what kind of  timetable are we talking about  for that? Oh, I'm I'm not sure  on that. I'd have to get with  our city planner to work it out  with the planning commission,  and then I could get back to  you on a better date for that.  And is that acceptable? Is that? kind of loose Translation OK  for the, the, the, uh, uh, the,  the, the owner. I mean, I know  there's not much they can do  about it otherwise, but I mean,  they're, they're aware of it is  my point. No, I believe they're  totally aware of it because  they've actually been before  the planning commission, and  they are totally aware, um,  they were the first to go  before the planning commission  actually, and they've got their  approval from the planning  commission that it is  consistent with our plan. It's  just that the map amendment  would have to be updated. I'm  sorry, I said text earlier.  It's a map amendment. So it  would have to be updated for  that parcel. OK. Alright. I  think that's all I have. OK.  Councilman MKravitz, anything?  Any questions? No? I have a  question. Can you go back to  the. The drawing, the the site  plan. I don't, it doesn't  matter if it's A or B. OK,  that's fine. So I'm gonna, you  wouldn't have prepared for  these questions, so I'm not  trying to do a got you here,  but just a thought. Rollerson  Ranch is a county owned road,  is that correct? Do you know? I  think that's a county road. I  believe it's a county road with  the state, uh, right of way.  That's what I'm getting at. So  it's a. The road is is the  whole thing from 301, yes, sir.  OK, that may actually be good  because if it reduces the  number of people you got to  talk to, so, um, these guys  have been doing it. They can  here's what I'm getting at here, um, this road goes to nowhere  and it's never going to go to  anywhere because the Federal  Highway Administration is not  going to waive the limited  access line and all that. So  there's never gonna be a punch  through to Fowler Avenue. If  there had been, we wouldn't  have sold the property to begin  with. We'd have kept it. So we  know. that that road is to a  dead end road. It's always  gonna be a dead end road. We  now also know that DOT not only  has a right of way on it, but  they own it. What do we think  about persuading DOT to close  that road off at the entrance  to this apartment complex when  it's built. They, they need the  property they don't need the  road. And so I think in my  opinion, having this dead end  road. Only invites illicit  activity. There is no  legitimate purpose for this  road. There's no, there's no  property beyond this entrance  for anybody to go to and there  never will be, so this is just  the invitation for illegal  dumpinging, illicit activity,  drug deals, all kinds of. That  which probably happened now,  although I think there's a bit  of a fence up there now, but.  Um And I don't know if that  request would come from the  city or whether it would come  from the property owner or it  would be a collaborative effort  between two of us to, to both  say this is in everybody's best  interest, including DOTs. Um,  no, please. Good evening,  council. Good evening. My name  is Brian Smith. I live in  Palmetto, Florida, and I've  been working with the owner to  develop the property. Um we  have uh solicited a request  from FA on how to handle that  land, um, and we're still  having conversations with them.  It doesn't really matter to the  developer or us, and if it's  owned by EA or if it's owned by  us, but it is a dead end road  that's not going to really  affect. Um, the development if  it's owned by them or us at  this point in time. But I do,  it does. We care our police  department cares and the city  cares because we don't want to  have illegal dumping down. I  mean, it's not gonna be worse  because the apartments are  there, it's just gonna be the  same thing it is now, except we  need it to be permanently. And  it would only enhance the area  if that were just let to grow  up and become an additional  buffer from the off ramp. We  would prefer having dedicate  that end of that road to the  developer and to the owner, um,  so we can control it a little  better and the road would just  dead end into our front  driveway, but Option B. Option  Option. Well, it doesn't give  them the whole road. It just  gives them shuts the road off.  I mean, but I'm saying the road  stops at the entrance. Because  the entrance now is the is the  road at the beginning of the  complex. Either way, either one, if you're both and um at our  front driveway. It doesn't show  any barrier across the road, at  least not that I can see. Oh, I  see your point. Yeah, I'm, I  just don't think the road ought  to continue on when there's  nothing down there and they're  never gonna be anything down  there, so anyhow, could you. Mr. Paul, if the council's OK with  this idea, can you at least be  having these talks? Unless  somebody objects to that. Yeah.  Thank you. OK, other questions?  I see. OK, if there are no  other questions, is there a  motion? A move to approve the  revised conceptual plan for um  10851 Raulerson Ranch Road.  Second motion is 2nd discussion  of the motion. If not all those  in favor signify with I I  opposed no nays. The Resolution  is adopted. Thank you very much. Good to see you. Thank you for  your input there. Thank you. OK, council, new business and board  reports, uh, council member  Shifter, I believe you had  something. Yeah, I did have  something, and it goes back to  the consent agenda, and I just  wanted to, uh, compliment staff  on something, um, the cassette  agenda dealt with the, um,  ballpark lift station  renovation project and the  original budget as as described  in the, uh, the documents was  about $300,000. Um, I know  we've had commentary in the  past that this is where we,  this is where we do our  flushing out of, of dollars  spent and so forth, but uh, I,  I just wanted to give kudos to  staff on this one. It actually  came in about 1300 $140,000  they could have acquiesced and  just let it go the way they,  the way the was originally laid  out in the capital plan, but,  uh, that's 170 160 $170,000  that they saved the city. It  stays in the budget, um, it's,  yeah. You know we talk about  flushing all that during,  during budget cycle, but we  don't. We can't. We, you know,  we have a pretty good idea of  what it is then and, and, and,  you know, generally it doesn't  go above it, but this is one  where they actually able to do  it, uh, a better price, more  economical, and I just wanted  to call out and give kudos to  staff and administration on, on, on doing that, that's all. Good. Thank you, Mr. Schler and thank  you guys, uh, and council  member Fernandez I believe you  had something, so, uh, first  I'd like to thank the city  staff for making the calendar  on the homepage interactive.  I've used it and I think, um,  and hopefully people in the  public are using it and find it  useful, um, and then my item  that I wanna talk about is  about our historic buildings  and Um, you know, we're, we've  lost several historic buildings  due to circumstances that are  are outside the city's control.  And I'd like to know if The  city has already an inventory  of historic buildings. And if  not, Uh, we, we are working  with interns from Florida  College in USF and various  departments across the city and  if this would be the kind of  project that we could. Um,  engage. You know, maybe an  intern to help us create a full  inventory of historic buildings, not just homes, but buildings,  and then also along those lines  actually create. A an  architectural walking tour. For  the, like, you know, a not  necessarily anything. To  pinpoint, but maybe something,  you know, I'm not talking about  printed documents, but maybe  like a QR code where someone  could follow and look at more  of the. Key historic buildings  in the city, so um. I didn't  know if that's something that  this we already have if we, if  we're working on it, if this is  something the 100 year  anniversary board is looking at  or the historic preservation  Board, but I thought I would  ask. Yeah Um, OK, so, uh,  excellent question. The, Uh, we  actually, we have an inventory  right now just for the uh for  the 1920s homes, um, we, we uh.  We do not have an inventory for  a mid-century modern homes,  things like that or buildings  for, for, um, to that extent,  so definitely something we  could look at, uh, we, we do  have interns coming in, some  already with defined projects,  but we also always get interns  from USF in our planning office  and community development, um,  so that seems like a real  logical fit so we could, we  could add that as a project to  to them, um. As council's aware  too, we have a historic  preservation board might be  this might be something that  they may want to participate in  should the council feel that  they want, want to refer this  matter to them also, so. I  think council member chambers I  was gonna say the Centennial  Committee is working on on  something like that too, the  walking tour, uh, and, and I  think they talked about the QR  code, but I'm not 100% sure on  that, but they are working on  the walking tour of the 1920s  homes. But and so the reason  I'm bringing this up is if you  look at, um, I think Flagler  College and the University of  Tampa are very good examples  and Flagler College, the  buildings were in disrepair and  the community got together and  wanted to preserve them and  through through their  preservation process, uh,  school was born and, and they,  the buildings are preserved and  they serve as a A good cultural  asset for the community.  University of Tampa has done  the same thing with the plant  buildings for the the hotel and  Over the years, the city of  Temple Terrace, our buildings  that are key to the development  early development of the city.  Most of them are gone. And we  don't necessarily have a  cohesive. Group in the city  that's been able to Affect  preservation so I that's I'd  like us to see, I think if we  have some sort of of inventory  going that. People There might  be more preservation minded.  Ownership of some of the  buildings. So that's my thought. I I have a question for you. I  like the idea. I, I, I think  it's um. I, I like it. So, but  my question for just for  clarification is because our  would. Are you referring to  buildings that under our  current ordinance would be  considered historically  significant buildings or are  you looking to draw the circle  broader than that because they  requirements in the ordinance  that describes what a  historically significant. The  thing is it doesn't even have  to be a building, you know, uh,  but it's age. But then also  significant architecture you or  you know somebody famous lived  in it or you know there's a  number of qualifiers. Yes, I'm,  I mean, I guess I'm thinking of  absolutely architectural  significance and but I, and,  and. All of the criteria that  we have established but you're  looking at expand or change the  criteria or so as as our  housing stock of. And I'm  thinking of the mid-century  modern specifically because  that is starting to come into  uh the age of historic home age  and also they are  architecturally significant,  the style is architecturally  significant. I'm not sure  exactly how. I don't know how  detailed an inventory would  need to be like the, the 1920s  homes, we know that they were  built by, they were designed by  significant architects, and we  know that we had significant  city early city leadership  living in them, um, so they  qualify on a lot of different  levels, but I feel like the  mid-century modern homes are  very architecturally different.  And deserve some sort of  Listing So. That's sort of the  reason I'm asking is because we  have that you know this better  than I do, you've lived here  longer than I do, but, um,  certain areas of the city were  all built at the same time, so  there's like whole  neighborhoods of mid-century  modern and I'm trying to wrap  my mind around would we catalog. That entire neighborhood or I  mean. Did this would probably  be something that would. The,  the Specific answer would be  something that somebody who's  actually put walking tourists  together or historic home  inventories or building  inventories would know more  about, but I guess I'm thinking  that you you have whole  neighborhoods that might be  mid-century modern and you  might have your walking tour  might take you through there  and highlight. Unique  architectural elements of some  of the houses. You might not go  this, this is the architect.  Yeah. Unless, unless there was  a prominent architect in that  area and you might not  highlight that unless we did  have a a renowned city  leadership living there some  some historic figure, but you  might just say something more  general about the area of  mid-century modern. They were  built at this time. These home,  this home has this unique  architectural aspect. This one  has this. one, maybe not a full. I think some of them have been  preserved better than others,  so yeah, I understand. So but  obviously somebody who's done  this before would have more.  Knowledge of the process it's a  cool idea. We just have to  figure out the particulars of  how to make it work, so yeah, I  guess the questions were not  necessarily against the whole  concept, but just you're,  you're, you're, we, we don't  have that many historical  buildings left outside our  residential, OK? So I'm not  sure what we're going to  accomplish by doing that. Uh,  the ones that are maybe what, 4  or 5 that are left in the whole  city, um. But we went to great  lengths when we changed the the  the uh the, the, the, um,  historic preservation, I can't  remember the, the, the acronym  that we had for it, or the  initials to say that we're not  going to require any. This is  not mandatory, OK? And I, I  just feel like this is a  slippery slope that's opening  up. We went to great lengths to, to, to assure people that we're  not going to require anybody to  join anything, but if we start  designating whole neighborhoods  as this or that or something  else. And put QR codes. I think  it's, I think we run the risk  of a bait switch perception  neighborhood to be designated.  No, I understand understand. I  understand So for example,  Sutton Hall is going to come  down. Yeah. There's a plaque  that's there and that will stay  regardless of what is built in  that area, um. I, I don't think  there's anything else down  there. That's a historical  significance, right, the, the  orange dome is, uh, but I  didn't want to exclude when I'm, when I was thinking this  through, I didn't want to just  say historic homes because  there are a few buildings that  are historic buildings. There's  not a lot of them left, but the, but I mean I'm not suggesting  that. Oh We tell anybody that  they have to do anything, just  that these homes exist and  people enjoy like walking  through towns and looking at  the historic homes and having a  listing would help say, you  know, you, we walked through  Saint Augustine all the time  when we look at all the homes  there. Somebody could bulldoze  their home and build a totally  new one that doesn't, I'm still  gonna walk through the  neighborhood and look at the  others, but, um, I don't think.  I'm not in I'm not at all  suggesting that we. Say that  anybody has to. Do anything  about it. I'm just thinking  that if we start Documenting  The properties that we do have.  People who are interested in  preservation and people who are  interested in walking through  neighborhoods and and learning  more about. Historic aspects  they would have a Resource to  use. Well, you know, the other  thing that this could do, I  don't think it's a slippery  slope. I mean our ordinance is  very, there's a bright line, it  says voluntary, and we would  have to change that which we're  not gonna do. They're I don't  think anybody up here would  vote for mandatory. I'm not  looking down, looking at the  future. But This could I think  here's what I'm thinking of,  and I don't know if this is  true to your intent or if this  is addressing your concern or  not, but I'm thinking of. In my  mind, I'm going down to the  south of Bullard West River  near, you know, that whole area  was developed in the 40s or 50s  or whenever, some of those  homes are just like they were  when they were built, you know,  carports or, you know, the and  they're in good shape. Um, some  of them. And so to go down  there and say wow this is a  really good example of 1952  Florida home flat roof carport,  it's never been. You know, we  know what they look like. I  grew up in them, right? I mean  the, the open blocks the a lot  of ventilation, all that kind  of stuff. Here's a really good  example. It's not been added  onto the carport's not been  closed in. This is pretty good  if we could make a list of  these. It may be even then  enable us to go to the owner  and say, do you realize that  your home? Because you don't  think of it as being a 1920s  historical home, but your home  in 5 years or 10 years or maybe  even today would qualify for  historical status. Do you  realize that? And we'd like to  share some information with you. Maybe we'll start to. Because  some of those homes are already  eligible under our ordinance,  and some of them will be in the  next few years. Um, I, I don't,  I think it's a cool idea. Now,  the question is, you know,  what's going to qualify, who's  gonna do the work on I mean we  had figured some stuff out.  Which is part of why I thought  if there was an intern that. I  with USF or or Florida College  or any school of architecture  or of historic preservation  knowledge that they might be  able to. Give us, uh, I, I just  think regardless of whether we  create a walking tour or not, I  just feel like it would be nice  to have some sort of inventory  of what exists in the city, um.  That's just my thought. I just,  I just said we have that. I I,  I'm not trying to trying to be  negative. I don't, I just, you  know, we, we have a lot of  initiatives going on in the  city right now. And I suppose  we kicked this to the, to the,  uh, um, historic committee,  historic, you know, maybe so  that they can come back with a  recommendation on it. I don't  have any issue with who does it. Uh, it's just a thought that.  Uh it's something I think we  have, you know, when we  conveyed the the old country  club and the Club Morocco and  and all those buildings when we  conveyed them to the Bible  college originally they, they  were like less than 10 years  old. Nobody was thinking  historic preservation at the  time there. They were Just  buildings, they were very, they  were pretty contemporary,  honestly, so. It just, I just  think it would be nice if we  had some sort of listing. We  have it for the the original  homes. Um, but we, I don't  think we have it for anything  older or newer than that, which  would still qualify the  mid-century modern. I, I think  Yes, council member chambers,  you know, I think that's a  great idea with mid-century  modern after, uh, next year we  need to concentrate on our 100  year. And those homes that were  built 100 years ago and then we  can start working towards  mid-century. That's just my  opinion. We got a lot of work  to do on the 1920s homes. For  this next year. There's a lot  of work for the historical  preservation Board in during  the centennial year, that's a  good point. How do you feel  about that? I mean, it's, it's,  I'm, I'm just suggesting it and  if. Uh, the historic  Preservation Board would be a  great board to this if they are  busy doing other things right  now, then obviously this. They  are and they're not, but here's  another thing, um. We still  have not gotten the final.  Approval from the US Park  Service for our COG status,  certified local government.  Once we get that this may  qualify for a grant to do this  as opposed to an internship. Um  And we would have to draw a  line around this scope of work  and figure out exactly what we  want to pursue, but. I, I, I  mean this is your idea. I don't  wanna maybe we wait and see  what's till we get that and  then we. I'm, I'm fine with  that. I just don't just stop,  we should start thinking this  direction. Councilman Kravitz  brainstorming idea. I've seen  this used to great effect  elsewhere. Giving people a  special recognition if their  house is especially well  preserved, especially beautiful, without any sort of strings  attached, we would seek these  people out and offer it to them. They could put a small plaque  on the house and sometimes if  there is such a thing on the  house. There's also a little  bit more of an inhibition when  it comes to tearing it down, if  that is something that someone  might want to do in the future.  Yeah, but we don't want to give  them a plaque when there are no  strings attached when that's  one of our major. Incentives to  get into the historical  preservation program. So if we  start giving that away to  everybody without them coming  into the program we've lost one  of our incentives could make it  required. I'm just saying that  if you, if you want to provide  people with a sort of.  Incentive to not change their  houses too much or enclose  their carports, you know,  having that recognition on it  and having the potential to  have that withdrawn if you do  take such a step. Again, it's  just about the recognition, but  we don't even have any of the  20 houses enrolled. Uh So I'm a  little reluctant to want to  give them something. Outside of  the program when That's one of  the things and unfortunately, a  lot of the 1920 houses already  have their own plaque, so. Some  idea, um, and, and and some of  this great conversation and it  could be more appropriate for  goal setting. That's true too,  and we might have the CLG by  then. How's that? It's fine. I  just think it's something we  need to start. I like it. I  think it's something that, yeah, OK, so. We're going to table  this for now, bring it back up  at a time when we hear more  about the CLG status and we're  at goal setting. That Fair  enough. OK. Thank you. Um,  other new business. Council  member chambers council members. Then you're next. I want to uh.  Expand on what Santa Claus said  earlier, um, Santa Claus made  mention of the Winter  Wonderland, so, uh, Mr.  Langfeld, a great job by the  leasure Services department uh  Saturday night the 7th when I  want to land at Woodmont and  the first Fairway was excellent. Uh, the, uh mostly children,  but some of us adults had a  great time, uh, uh, there with  all the different activities. I  think he set a record with the  number of golf carts. I think  it was in the 80s last year in  the 70s, uh, I hope that's a  correct. Give me a nod, yes or  no, that's a yes, so they were  in the 80s and the citizens  that decorated their golf carts, they are stepping up the golf  carts every year are getting  better looking and and stuff um  so anyway thank you to  everybody that. anticipated,  but it was a very fun night  thank you to the city and the  other departments that prepped  the park and got ready for it.  Thank you. Thank you,  Councilman Kravitz. nice to be  able to chat. I thought I would  bring up a couple of things  that have been sort of on my  mind regarding the exemptions  and permits. I thought just  take everyone's temperature and  see how people feel about it.  Um, one of them is the  non-structural work exemption  under $1000. I think that's  been that way for a really long  time. I was just proposing  maybe we could increase it for  inflation if there's any  interest in that. Um, the other  one would be the, uh, roofing  permit exemption, which is for  under 10 100 square feet of  repairs. And I thought it would  be interesting to look into  making that maybe scalable or  more flexible based on a  percentage-based system of the  total roof area. And the last  thing is about fences, you know, a lot of uh. People recently  I've been preparing their  fences following the hurricanes, taking advantage of the uh  emergency situation to not have  to get a permit to do certain  types of work. Uh, I haven't  really. Gotten the impression  that it's harming anyone, uh,  so that's another area that I'd  like to look into, and I was  just curious if anyone had any  thoughts on these three points.  I can just tell you um there  are some issues with fences.  Surveying I know that's  something we hear every now and  then, why do we have to survey?  There's really good reasons for  surveys. That's just my opinion. We have had some feedback about  the fencing. That it's Not  necessarily as smooth as Yeah.  The other stuff I can't comment  to, uh, but that's something  that. I think our staff's been  looking at a lot of these  ordinances already. I don't  know when they're gonna come  back to us. But we can  certainly um. Get a report  further down the road. Mainly,  uh, that's all I just I can't  make any more opinions that's  my concern is they are already  working their way through some  of the ordinances, particularly  with the land development code.  For the last year or two. We  have, um, Engaged in strategic  planning, we've made sure our  annual goals. Reflect our  strategic priorities, we have  tasked our staff with doing  more and more and more and last  year. We intentionally. Um, as  a body. Agreed to kind of slow  down on this and give them  because we've given them a pile  of strategic things to do. The  land use codes are one of them,  um, the fences or um pool  locations there's there's  several, it's been a while  since we had an update. Um, we  have intentionally avoided.  Trying to dump new projects on  them because we don't want to  take them. I don't want to take  their eyes off the ball. I mean  they're, we're, we're moving,  we're getting there, we're,  we've. Accomplished more in the  past two years and we've  probably accomplished in 20  years previous to that, so, um.  I'm hesitant to want to like  pick out, OK, we want to report  on the roof. Permit because now  Mister Paulley and his staff is  focused on that instead of.  They're already focused on and  so. Um That's not that I'm  opposed to looking at these, I  think we should continue to  look at these, but I think they  already are. Um So I, I'm  hesitant personally to want to  give them another. task. Well,  I think, and I, we discussed  this at. Our goal setting and  that's part of what they're  looking at is that we needed,  we need to look at our full  process. Of permitting and. Uh,  building And our building codes, etc. and I think that's what So  That should be part of what  we're looking at and I think  that. When we get that. When we, when they have started working  through it enough and they come  back and report to us, that's  the time when we would look at.  More specific. Uh, if that  hasn't been addressed. Yeah  we've been looking at Most of  what you mentioned we've been  looking at for probably a year  already, so council member  Schler. I would be reluctant to  start piecemealing. Let's look  at this, let's look at that,  because as you said in our golf  sessions, we've been doing, you  know, we, we said that we  wanted a, a review of this done. I mean, even, even finance has  gone through and whittled down  the number of uh uh  occupational licenses, for  example, you know, it was like,  what, 9, 900 or almost 1000  down to a couple, you know,  down to a smaller handful. So I  think this is each department  is working through that at the  at at as we go along, um, by  virtue of just hearing our  conversation, I'm sure that  they'll take a deeper look at  at some of these specific  issues, but, um, uh, yeah, I, I, I think this is already in  process and, and uh I'm more  inclined to, to, to let the,  let the, uh, department heads  work through the uh the backlog  to, to get to it. I'm glad that  there's so much principled  interest in addressing it, it's  awesome. So, uh, I'll keep an  eye on that and. Hopefully  something will come through the  pipeline. Anything else, Mr.  Kravitz? One thing real quick,  um, just FYI, um, the TPO  elected chairs, transportation  planning organization elected  chairs for the next year, um, I  was elected chair and  commissioner Wassel is elected  vice chair, so I don't think  that changes anything other  than my workload, but, um, it  doesn't give us any special,  huh? It doesn't give us any  special status but just FYI, um, the other thing I'm real quick  I had to bring up actually, Mr.  Kravitz might want to council  member. bo t s might want to  bring this up. Somebody  suggested to me, um, council  member, I think it might have  been your father. I wasn't sure  about the centennial challenge  coin. It would have been my  wife. I don't think my father  would know what a challenge  coin is. Well, I don't think he  said challenge coin. He said  coin and I maybe I'm filling in  the challenge coin, so. Did you  catch what he said, suggested  to me, do you want it. OK, well, I'll bring it up then, so I  offered um the suggestion was  made to me to create a  centennial challenge coin that  would be made available to the  public for sale, um, it's a  commemorative only available in  2025, um, we have a city  challenge going already. I  don't know if it's for sale,  but this would be something  that we could um. So it cost or  I mean we're not trying to make  a buck but this the collectors  of these coins could buy it off  the city's website or the  clerk's office or whatever and  have a centennial Charlie coin.  Only made for a year. I was  like the centennial Committee.  Yeah it primarily if you think  it's a great idea, well, was it  on their list? I don't remember. I don't think it's on their  list, but uh we certainly can  suggest that their next meeting  is the 2nd of January, so it's  up to you. Yeah, I, I, I think  it's a good idea. Alright, I've  heard that we have a like a um  a logo that we can use on there. Anyhow, I, I, uh, thought it  was a pretty cool idea when I  heard it, so if, if they think  it's a cool idea, so. That's  all I have any other new  business or board reports, OK,  city manager's report. Uh, Mr.  Mayor, members of the council,  uh, in the backup this evening,  we have the uh. 4th quarter  report for fiscal year 2024 for  the actual versus budget  financials. Uh, if you have any  specific questions, uh, finance  director, um, uh, Ingram is  here in attendance to answer  those. Council members'  questions. No I do have one, Mr. Ingram, I'm sorry. I know we've  been here a while, but I did  have one. And Again Not to put  you on the spot because uh you  might not have prepared for  this particular question, but  In the sanitation fund. I know  we've had a lot of um revenue  growth in that area recently  with Amazon and thanks to Mr.  Warnfe we've had a lot of new  commercial accounts and our  revenue stream is up. My hunch  is that It's so recent that  it's not reflected in the 24  budget numbers because some of  this probably came online after. October 1st. That's true. The,  the Amazon in particular is new. I don't know that we got any of  that in the school year 24. So  it's probably safe to assume  that. Next year I would think  that our revenue would We  probably didn't put it in the  budget in anticipation of that  additional revenue, so we  should exceed what we  anticipated bringing in, I  would think. And um Would you  agree with that, Jason? I, I,  we, we've had these discussions, um, uh, yeah, we, we are  already realizing some revenue  from the Amazon materials that  we're selling how soon before  we would get a reliable  indicator of the track we're on  because I know we've incurred  some additional expenses to  provide that service too. So. I  would, we know like after the  first quarter or the 2nd  quarter, would we be able to  kind of predict the track that  the sanitation fund is on for  FY 25 or the first quarter, we  will definitely have some  significant revenue, um, from  the Amazon materials sale. Uh,  there are some expenditures  related to that too. Um, I  believe we should be able to  Have a after our first quarter  ends and we look at the numbers  and we should be able to have a  good um idea of where we're  headed on that. OK, that would  be good to know, particularly  with with that fund. Because we  have some projected, you know,  we've had some increases to try  to stabilize that fund. It'd be  nice to know, OK, we're  tracking in a good way or we're  yeah so I just like to, and I  appreciate that Mr. Ingram is  stating that I meet with Jason  regularly and he fills me in  and, and I think we're both.  pretty confident that the  revenue picture is going to be.  Far beyond our expectation, um.  As we know, council approved an  out of budget request actually  recently for the sanitation  fund because it's a business  operates like a business. We  had a need, we are growing.  We're in that cycle right now  of large intensive growth in  business, um, the Amazon, we  are running 16 times a day? Is  that what it is? Wow. So yes, I  should ask him to come to the  podium. This Mayor City council. Jake more folks, public works  director. So the Amazon account  has some challenges that makes  it operate the way it needs to  be. So currently we're running  16 hours a day servicing Amazon, and that is peak cycle through  the holiday season. They only  do that 10 weeks a year. So  we're, we're about to fall off  of that. But on a normal day,  we have one dedicated truck 8  hours a day, that services that  account. And that would have  been the, the out of budget  purchase that we made in, in  September. To get ready for  that. So Yeah, so I think our  numbers we're fairly confident  those numbers are going to be  much, much better, um, and we  may actually, in fact, because  of the revenue and this  increased activity, we may be  coming back to you for other,  other opportunities here  throughout the year. OK 16  hours a day. Yeah, we have a  truck on the road right now.  And he just fills up the truck  and goes to, so we, we have two  drivers. We run our 1st and a  2nd shift, so it's not the same  driver 7 days, that's fine.  Yeah, we've, we have, there's 4  drivers, they cycle through on  the weekends and, and, and we  get it done. So I want to  answer the additional expense.  Yes, we do. Amazon has laid  some stipulations on this  account pertaining to  containers that are outlet that  account. They're currently. by  republic. Ours are on order, um, the current revenue. Um, that  is pending the, the current  bill that's out will cover all  those expenses plus some, so  there's, there's revenue there  where our ROI is very short  with this, so we're, we're  trying to make it. We're  feasible to offset some of the  other expenses. Very good thank  you of us some, some of us had  the opportunity to go visit the  plant. This is an aspect of it  that I've never heard of. Could  you elaborate on how we do that, how we handle this. As what we  do. So Amazon has, they have  two Auger recycler compactors  on on site and they have a  trash compactor. So the auger  bins are the, are the challenge. Those Auger bins are 42 cubic  yards, um, they augur the  cardboard recyclables into the  container at a high capacity at  a high rate with a lot of  pressure. So as they fill up,  we, we're dispatched, we send  drivers out there, they unhook  them, we swap containers, we  haul till we swap and come back, um, that container already has  cardboard in it in just a  one-hour drive to your City and  come back. So we don't, there's  no downtime, we have to swap,  we have to keep going, and  that's why we purchased  containers to try and make the  swap go better for our drivers.  Um, that facility from the tour  that I took recently, um, they  push out half a million boxes  in 24 hours, packages. Now  that's envelopes, that's boxes,  that's, you name it. So that's  what they're doing. trucks come  in with products, they have to  unbox it. That's where the card  work comes from that we're,  that we're recycling for them.  Um, the trash component is the,  the plastic packages, they're,  they're regular operational  trash from their offices and,  and facilities on the site, but, uh, that trash compactor goes 3  times a week, um, it. It's full. It's a 40 yard container. It's  full, and we also swap that out  as well, so there's, right now  there's 5 containers on site.  We swap everything on site and  then the drivers go down the  road and that's why it takes 8  hours a day to swap 3  containers because there's a  lot of fiddling with the site  security where we are, we are  dedicated to traffic lanes when  we go in we have to stay in the  traffic lanes to get into the  facility. It's a lot of moving  pieces there and the drivers  have been very responsive to  what's going on out there.  People don't realize what's  involved with, with, with the  facility and I think it's just,  I think it's good education for  everybody. OK, thank you.  Appreciate that. Thank you.  Thank you, Mr. Ingram. Are  there other questions about the  report? Uh, just one question.  Yes, Council member Fernandez  is actually for the city. I  just want to make sure that.  People who go on to the website  and pull up our agenda this  backup is. accessible to  anybody. So as the council  knows, we've had some concerns  about some of the backup. Um, I  will check whether this  tabulation here with the way  it's set up with the columns  and and the and the rows is in  fact accessible, um, I'll get  that confirmed and if there's  any issue, we'll make sure we  get it out there on the agenda  some in some format. That's it.  Oh We're good, Mister B.  Anything else? Uh yes, uh, real, uh, briefly, uh, first, I  wanted to, uh, uh, thank the  city council for their support,  uh, at the end. Employee end of  year celebration, uh, thank you  for serving, uh, food to our,  our, our team members, uh,  everybody sincerely appreciated, not only that act, but also the  fact that you helped us put  this on to begin with supported  financially, so, uh, very much  appreciated, uh, on behalf of  the employees. I also wanted to, uh, uh, thank again for  Christmas Eve, uh, that time  off, that is, uh, that's a very  nice book. It's, in fact, it's  kind of funny. I, I, we  mentioned this to employees and  there's a smile, like, oh, we  have Christmas Eve off like  there it's. You, you're like,  Santa was great, but you guys  are extra special tonight, so,  uh, I just wanted you to know  that, uh, and finally, I wanted  to just remind council and the  community that tomorrow evening  at 5 o'clock we'll be having  the neighborhood meeting with  the residents in Rolling  Terrace, particularly the  residents along Beauer Drive in  Knight's Branch to talk about  the, uh, flooding issues from  hurricane building. That's a  lightfoot. That's it Council  member Fernandez. So is this a  meeting that the council can  and should attend, or is this a  meeting that staff just wants  to reach out to the  neighborhood members, counsel  is welcome to attend, uh,  whether you should or not it's  up to you but but I mean the  expectation it's noticed, I  mean, it's been noticed. This  meeting has been noticed  correctly, um, and it's open to  the public, uh obviously I, I  wouldn't anticipate the  majority of the folks there  will be residents in that on  that street. Um, yes, but it's  so you're welcome to. Twitter.  OK. It, it is, I, I'll be there. I mean, everybody's welcome. It  is staff run though it's not a  council-driven. That's correct,  yes, basically it's, it's run  sort of like a a a.  Presentation for a project it's  it's a staff-driven meeting.  Any questions for Mr. B  regarding his report? If not  City attorney report. I have  nothing to report. Nothing to  report. Good, well you've been  quiet tonight. Anything else to  come before the council tonight  everybody happy holidays and  happy New Year. We'll see  everybody in January, I think.  You should have an event. You  good? Just want to go home. I  don't blame you. We will, we  will stand adjourned.