foreign [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] November 15th meeting of the Temple Terrace city council to order it's always a pleasure to see everybody with us tonight and if you would please stand
and join me in the invocation of Pledge of Allegiance Lord we thank you for our many gifts we thank you for the blessing of coming together tonight in self-governance we ask your blessings on our meeting tonight grant us wisdom and compassion as we strive to do the best thing for
all involved we pray for those in our city family tonight who are ill suffering and can't be with us tonight grant them peace and healing and we look forward to seeing them back soon amen [Music] justice for all
ah thank you ladies and gentlemen so Council before we start and I forget to do this with your approval I would like to move item 9B and make it item 8B I know we
have several members of the public who would like to comment on that we normally don't have public comment during Council business so it seems like the easiest thing to do would be move that we certainly don't want to deny anybody the right to speak on that is it okay if we do that okay good thank
you for those in attendance if you wish to speak on item 8B that's the proposed discussion on the tenant Bill of Rights we will call that up as an agenda item so you'll be given an
opportunity to speak on that you don't need to do it during the three-minute normal time right okay so our first item is a certificate of recognition for on your toes would you
like to come up to the podium here we go good evening can you see me I can't see you yes how are you I'm good thank you thanks for being with us tonight thank you for doing this so this is a certificate of recognition for 35 years
of business in Temple Terrace and many of you know this business for those of you who don't you will in a moment on your toes was founded in Temple Terrace in 1987. owner Sydney or SID Schwartz's passion for dance started when she was eight
years old but 10 12 years ago now right right Sid went from student to performer and then to teacher she taught dance in the late 1970s and 1980s at the Temple Terrace rec center and the Temple Terrace Lightfoot Center
in 1987 Sid her mother and her stepfather opened on your toes in Temple Terrace Through The Years on your toes has become a premier dance store known throughout the Tampa Brandon Lutz and land of lakes areas being a small
business hasn't always been easy I'm sure that's true especially with the Inception of the internet shopping in covid however loyal customers dedicated employees and Sid's Love of Dance have been a large part of their continued success it is definitely our honor to
recognize Sydney Schwartz and on your toes for 35 years of continuous service to the city of Temple Terrace and having raised two daughters they know your store very very well would you like to say a few words all right thank you mayor council members
and of course I've known James for over 40 years from the rec center it's so wonderful to be honored for doing something that I love to do for almost half my life in the city where I live
I thank my mother for spending all that money as a single parent paying for my dance classes and together we opened on your toes I'm so incredibly fortunate to have April Brant Foreman by
my side for 25 of those 35 years I've met many customers who have become personal friends I've seen dancers that have become professional they've entered into um they performed on TV
they have performed in the movies they are rockets and they've been on Broadway as well as being in professional dance concert venues sorry I'm a little nervous I
see children coming through my doorway that are the children and grandchildren of our very first customers and I Cry tears of joy and I'm so incredibly proud to do what I do and to see
everybody grow up and keep coming back to us I have to say I have no I would never have been able to do this and spend all the years of six days a week and seven days a week
in the past before I had enough help if I hadn't had the total emotional support of my husband Dan the Man so I thank you so much for this honor I feel so blessed to get it thank you so much
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very good thank you our next item is a presentation by a friend of ours many of us know Kelly Seeley she's here to talk to us tonight about the Saint Vincent De Paul organization welcome Miss Seeley it's good to see you guys
foreign good evening mayor City Council staff city manager my name is Kelly Seeley and it's an honor to be here tonight representing Saint Vincent De Paul pantry at St Vincent de Paul Joe Latina Center food pantry and garden
we are a non-profit food pantry led by Jesus Christ we're located at 9807 North 56th Street in Temple Terrace we're right behind Wells Fargo Bank Hidden back there where 100 volunteer run by Amazing
Angels and we've been providing for our neighbors in need in the 33617 and 33637 zip codes for nearly 40 years Focus Academy is a special needs School in Temple Terrace the students join our angels in volunteering three days a week
and their transition year to help them to develop skills for future work they are truly angels we also provide volunteer service hours to high school kids and those serving community service hours as a condition of their probation we would not be able
to do this work without these Amazing Angels the majority of our food donations come from feeding America Publix Walmart 7-Eleven local churches community members and other local paint pantries
but we what we receive is never enough to fill the boxes so each week we have to purchase food items to fill them we provide assistance with rent a utilities such as Tico also city of
Temple Terrace water bills unfortunately due to the lack of funds this has been temporarily suspended when we can afford it we provide bus passes and gas cards and it's not unusual for one of our angels to pull money out of their pocket to help a
neighbor out when we don't have these available we have an amazing homeless Outreach we partner with svdp cares rapid and permanent housing Metropolitan Ministries the Temple Terrace police department community outreach unit which is a small unit
within the department that helps with the homeless and many more agencies in the area to provide resources for those who are suffering we have an incredible volunteer nurses and nurse practitioners that assist with Health Care needs they associate they're
associated with the bay Care Community nursing program and they provide blood pressure screenings medication advice and equipment and supplies when available such as Walkers blood pressure monitors glucometers and other medical supplies
the faith and Grace organic garden was birthed three years ago we provide organic nutrient dense Whole Foods for our neighbors in need our goal is to plant every inch of our two acres with Edibles if there's dirt there goes
a plant the garden just received the prestigious Hillsborough County Fair 2022 Harvest award for outstanding public and community service the award was presented by Louis Vieira City Tampa district 7 councilman who
actually grew up here in Temple Terrace we have a mission bus in conjunction with Mission Smiles is our annual program that provides prevention and dental care needs for our neighbors in need this is serviced by amazing local dentists and hygienists volunteering
their time and their talents each year the Lopez is a local family donate 350 turkeys for our neighbors in need to help celebrate Thanksgiving with them at Christmas beginning every early
November our neighbors in need sign up for svdp Christmas party with the name and ages of their children and suggestions on what their child would like for Christmas gifts come from Corpus Christi Catholic Church parishioners from community members also
whatever is not donated svdp purchases because we just can't allow a child to go without a Christmas gift the pantry is funded solely by the generous donations from our community members the garden has also received grant money in the past from pyrano
Family Foundation depart de Bartolo Family Foundation St Catharines Episcopal church and other fundraising campaigns we have seen a significant increase in the number of Neighbors in need over the past year in fact our numbers have
nearly doubled November 5th we served a record 105 families in less than three hours we just begun a monthly Drive held the first Saturday of the month from 10 a.m to 12 p.m on the property to collect not
only food and money but volunteers because our Angel volunteers are our most valuable asset we cannot do this work without them safe visit de Paul would be honored to be able to partner with the city of Temple Terrace to get the word out about
this wonderful service providing much needed assistance to our Temple Terrace Neighbors in need we are stronger together Ephesians 4 16 Paul tells us from whom the whole body joined and held
together by every joint which it is equipped when each part is working properly makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love remembering our hope is in the resurrection of Jesus Christ through the
Holy Spirit for the glory of God we are grateful thankful and blessed for the opportunity to share with the city of Temple Terrace Saint Vincent De Paul food pantry we invite you all to come out to tour the pantry
and to see for yourselves how we help our neighbors in need thank you Mrs Seeley thank you very much thank you [Applause] sure you could pass them to the clerk
absolutely thank you for coming so since we have a fairly short agenda I do want to say hello from the council to our retired Deputy Chief of Police back here Chief Seeley now Captain Seeley with another organization it's always a pleasure to see you
you doing well thank you congratulations on a fantastic service to our city um leading the council but I appreciate I no longer live in the city but I know that the work you do and I thank you for the work that you
chamber Mr schisler who's not here in this strand thank you very much it's always good to come home good to see you chief so next item is approval of the November 1st city council meeting minutes is there a motion to approve the minutes move to approve
are there any corrections to the minutes if not all those in favor signify with i i opposed no Nays minutes are approved next are persons wishing to be heard on items not listed on the agenda or items on the consent agenda
uh we have a three minute time limit imposed on all speakers from the public we do ask that speakers come to the podium and begin by stating their name in city of residence we'd like to assure everybody that your remarks and concerns are taken seriously by the city manager
your elected officials and the directors in attendance I currently have no requests to speak on items not listed on the agenda are there members of the public who wish to address the council okay very good next item then it's a
resolution approving a Saint Augustine and Live Oak water main replacement project phase three construction to Harris McBurney company welcome Mr tinch how are you good evening everyone Troy tench utilities department director
I got it right this time I'm here this evening to seek approval to award the phase Construction in phase three of the Saint Augustine and Live Oak water main replacement project to the Harris McBurney company
um if I could have you pull up the slide so you may recall you somewhat recently approved faces one and two of this water main replacement project this will be the third and final phase it's located in and around the Biltmore Park area as
with the previous projects what we'll be looking to do is take offline the rear easement water mains the four and six inch water mains that are located on the back of the homes and bring those water mains to the front of the house to the roadway side we'll also be looking to
increase the size from the four and six inch that are existing to six and eight inch water mains and what this again will do will not increase pressure but it will increase volume so not only is this going to address concerns regarding the utilities
department and maintenance but it also also touches on the life safety component should say the fire department have to deal with the structure fire down in the area of the peninsula area of the city additionally this will kind of finalize up all of the rear yard
easements that we're dealing with in the peninsula area we have just a few that are left that we'll be handling at some point in the future but for the most part this will kind of finalize that region and and get those easements those rear yard easements taken care of
so I did want to also note that this project is funded in this fiscal cycle we did budget one million one hundred thousand dollars for this construction effort and the lowest bid received by Harris McBurney did come in just above that at
one million one hundred seventy two thousand eighty dollars and four cents so I wanted to let you know that the additional amount the seventy two thousand eighty dollars and four cents will be coming out of available contingency funds within that same Water and Sewer account so the dollars have
been accounted for that said staff recommends the city council adopt a resolution approving the expenditure of one million one hundred seventy two thousand eighty dollars and four cents to be paid to the Harris mcburning company for the construction
of phase three of the Saint Augustine and Live Oak water main replacement project I will stand for questions thank you Mr other members of the public who wish to comment on this item seeing none council member questions see no questions is there a motion to
approved and move to approve the resolution second Motion in a second discussion on the motion if not all those in favor say aye aye opposed nay resolution is adopted thank you Mr King thank you very much and might as say uh Miss Donahue it's been a real pleasure
you've definitely been a a friend to the utilities department and you will be missed I'm not going anywhere we missed it to dice so next with our agenda revisions is the discussion regarding Hillsborough County
ordinance the entitled the tenants Bill of Rights city manager Carlos but yeah we'll explain Mr mayor council members members of the public so at the well two meetings ago this conversation started I believe about potentially adopting or being
incorporated into the County's tenant Bill of Rights and just for a refresher a conversation about whether the city would adopt it itself there was some concern about capacity at our staffing level to enforce this some conversations were held with County and the county
said they would be willing to incorporate the city of Temple Terrace should would this Council wish to do that or have that considered as part of their public hearing process uh at the last meeting we broached that conversation and uh we we were asked to bring more information this week and put it on the agenda hence that's why we're
here so the the ordinance that the county has which is the one that is under consideration right now basically has two elements to it there's a front end element which really deals with landlord and tenant relationships um the principal piece is that it
requires that a notice of Rights be offered to any would-be tenants that all landlords would be compelled to issue that to any would-be or actual or tenant that's already in place that lays out you know certain protocols that a tenant would have to resort to should they feel that they're being discriminated against
and it also lists agencies that could assist with enforcement uh second element in that front end of the relationship is that the landlord wouldn't be able to preclude anyone from consideration for for being a tenant based on what they call the legal source
of income so if a land if a tenant shows up with a housing voucher for Section 8 Housing Voucher the a landlord couldn't say no no I don't want to consider that they'd have to consider that along with any sort of other legal sources of income that would be applied uh part of the application process
and the landlords also wouldn't be able to advertise that certain sources of lawful income would be considered there are some some ads out there for apparently that the county has found where landlords do say you know we'll not consider section A so the if this ordinance were adopted here are we incorporate into the counties I should say that couldn't take place that would
be a violation however just to clarify this this ordinance does not mean that a landlord would be prohibited from using the same legal criteria that they use for tenant screening today so for example credit history criminal history eviction
history those things would still be the same so if you're looking at your tenants and they don't meet your expectations for any of those elements you could still not least to those people but you couldn't use Section 8 income for example as a criteria in and of itself
uh the landlord also wouldn't be compelled to accept a renter that can't pay the asking rent even with a voucher because I think that's also a misconception out there and the voucher the Section 8 and not to dwell too much in the section 8 but I think that's a concern that's been broached to the council and and to
myself the the voucher provides 70 of the rent up to a set certain payments standard in in Temple Terrace based on the Tampa Housing Authority standards those numbers range anywhere from for a one
bedroom it would be for example 1350 or 1430 depending on which zip code you're in three three six one seven or three three six three seven for a two bedroom the standard would be sixteen hundred and twenty dollars or Seventeen hundred and twenty dollars and for a three bedroom two thousand seventy or twenty
two hundred based on again on the zip codes the tenant would be responsible for the balance the 30 percent that the voucher would not pay for in cases where the rent may be more than the payment standard a tenant could pay
more than the 30 percent but they couldn't pay more than 40 percent of their adjusted monthly income uh if that were the case then the voucher wouldn't apply and basically the people regulating the voucher would say you need to go somewhere else to find a place to live so again just wanted to make sure that
people understood there's no compelling reason that says you know if you're a landlord that you have to pursue this if that if they didn't meet those criteria or if your rent was more than than the the standard that they have set the second element is uh the notice requirements to this ordinance so it
does require that if you are assessing as a landlord if you are assessing late fees that they must be assessed in writing so you'd have to include a justification for the fee the amount of the fee and whether the fee will continue to accrue so it has to be done in writing if you
are terminating a lease if it's a a lease that's at will or sure than 30 days you have to do it you have to provide a 30-day minimum written notice to the tenant if you are terminating any other lease based on the current County ordinance you'd have to provide a 60-day minimum
written notice and if the landlord also is contemplating a rental increase of greater than five percent they would also need to provide a 60-day minimum written notice to the tenant the enforcement of the ordinance if it
goes through the county process would be handled by the county if the city were to wish to do this they would need to submit a letter to the board of County Commissioners indicating that they'd like to be included in the County's housing and tenant Bill of
Rights ordinance we are told that it probably would take anywhere from six to eight weeks to go through that process it would entail public hearings at the county level to amend their existing ordinance I'm happy to take any questions prior to that we do have some public
comment and currently I have three requests to speak if anybody else wishes to address the council the forms are in the back of the room the first one is Miss Jan Thompson welcome Mr Tomlinson okay Jan templeson a resident of Temple
Terrace mayor council I appreciate what you have outlined city manager thank you that's a synopsis okay I think this issue needs to be postponed
because more research should be done for example I've given you section 30-24 of Hillsborough County ordinances named discrimination in real estate transactions and practices
which I have given you a copy and should be reviewed at the same time the ordinance of 21-7 and 22-23 I would like the council to make more information available
so citizens of Temple Terrace can be more aware of this and all information regarding how you think should be made available again I request that you postpone this
until the public gets more information and the residents of Temple Terrace you are here to protect them and do the best for them thank you very much thank you Mrs Thompson the next speaker is Mr Eric Kravitz
Mr Kravitz welcome good evening sir thanks for your attention um Eric Kravitz also a resident here I just have a few quick thoughts on this so I know tenants Bill of Rights very inflammatory title I looked through it I didn't in fact any rights for tenants actually most of it relates to landlords
and their duties to provide notices the only thing that really gives a right to a tenant is the Section 8 non-discrimination based on income provision um and uh under every single notice requirement it says specifically it does not provide a private cause of action to the tenant so I just want to make
everyone aware even though there's a title here that says tenants Bill of Rights uh didn't find very many of those um and uh I just also want to be clear we all want everyone to have a good place to live that uh we all want to be proud of what we're doing and you know I'm a small
landlord here and we're very proud of being in the housing sector and we like to make sure that everyone has a good place to live at a reasonable price um just out of curiosity I looked into what it would cost to have someone take over this notice requirement for me uh it does about ten dollars a month so
that would be another cost or something that I would have to do uh whenever we pass these ordinances it always imposes a bureaucratic burden on various people and uh you know again I'm not opposed to people um having a good balance of Rights and responsibilities I just want to briefly
go over a couple of things that we have in our Florida bar lease agreement these are things that are standard there's also a chapter 83 of the Florida Statutes which contains a lot of Provisions that give tenants a lot of Rights this is Incorporated in our lease agreement in an appendix
uh the landlord uh has a contract here that provides for rules about late fees rent notices tenants rights of inspection Keys locks use renewal Etc so a lot of things are already in the contract um to Mr bayou's Point thank you for
bringing up the the 60-day notice I found that very interesting it slipped my mind but it would actually lead to a situation where I have to give the tenant a 60-day notice on a 30-day lease which I would be legally permitted under the contract to terminate uh let's say five weeks out but which this ordinance
then puts me in violation if I don't do it at least eight weeks out so I didn't know about that so thank you for for bringing that up um it's just a it's just a curious ordinance uh if there's a tenants Bill of Rights uh coming up I'd love to see it but I
don't think this is really it because it doesn't provide the tenant any rights uh it just provides bureaucratic burdens it makes the landlord have to provide notices notices the tenants may not even want to receive because let's be honest many of them don't know what to do with pages and pages of legalese
uh and it makes the entire relationship fraught with record keeping and uh other gotchas like this 500 fee which the county is supposed to enforce so I'm also against that because I think Temple Terrace is a lovely place and I think
the people here know what they're doing and I would hate to see more Authority go far further away from us so thank you very much for your attention I appreciate it like speakers Allison Fernandez council member elect Fernandez good
evening thank you good evening Allison Fernandez Temple Terrace resident I I am not in favor of what is in front of us right now and I do ask you to potentially give it more time to consider it and the reasons that I have
concerns uh first is that a legal contract already exists between the tenant and the landlord and that's governed by many state laws that are currently in existence and a lot of the concerns that have been expressed that
this tenant Bill Bill of Rights would cover are already covered in state statutes so this to me seems very strong government overreach the other thing that really concerns me
about it is the enforcement from Hillsborough County as a standalone jurisdictional City we have our own governance and in years past we have decided not to have Hillsborough County
have governance over our citizens and in many ways one we didn't want to Outsource our police and fire dispatching and there was a reason for that our dispatchers know the city and we govern ourselves so I really have
strong concerns about Hillsborough County exhibiting governance and enforcement over our citizens and our property owners in our city so for those two reasons I I really have concerns about
what's in front of the city council and I also wonder is this a problem in our city I mean are our tenants and landlords expressing concerns that the city needs to address and if that is the case then it seems like
Solutions ought to be at the city level and not coming down from the county level so I would ask you if that is if there have been concerns expressed that would need to be part of this discussion and again handled at the city level with
our own governance and our own enforcement policies thank you thank you Ms Fernandez the last current request I have is from Miss Ellen snowing good evening Mr snowing I'm Ella Snelling I live in Temple
Terrace it's nice to be here miss Donahue I want to tell you you know really appreciate I know it's not your last day but I just want to appreciate everything because that someone else brought it up before um I just I do have concerns about this I think the idea behind it is very good
and I know we all want to protect every all of our citizens and our tenants but I do have concerns and um for one thing I thought about is is any other City within our County going with Hillsborough County under their ordinance and Tampa has a separate
ordinance and I call Plant City and they are not going to be having attended Bill of Rights so we would be the only city um as Eric had brought up the um there is a statute at the state level in chapter 83
the landlord and tenant so and there's quite a few rules in there so if we do go under this ordinance is there any possibility of State preemption because there are some things that are more strict than the state law I really think it's something we got to think about
especially the way the election went and the way our legislator is going to look um we don't really want them coming back down on home rule again saying like you know that oh look at these cities and counties that are making these strict ordinances for tenant Bill of Rights and
then I guess there's always some possibility what if the landlords think it's too strict and they're not treated properly would they sue the city I don't know um I heard at the last meeting that you talked about that the Hillsborough County the code board or some group
within Hillsborough County was doing sweeps of ads so is that something else do we want that in Temple Terrace where they're going to be looking at our landlord's ads to make sure they're not worded a certain way or they're saying we prefer not to have section 8 do we do we want that oversight from the county
as well as do we want them enforcing within our city which was already brought up um I think possibly you know we might need more research and get some more information and what is the best solution for Temple Terrace is it best for us to go to Under the Umbrella of
Hillsborough County or do we want to look at Solutions of the issues we have here ourself in landlords during the pandemic a lot of them were suffering the same as tenants and so do we want to give them undue regulation and restrictions on top
of the problems that they've already had thank you very much for your time thank you Mrs snowing that's currently the last request I have to speak are there other members of the public all right one more Mr snowing well I say one more I have one more
right now can I fill out the request after the fact yes you may good evening sir so uh I had some questions to consider uh first of all I do agree that this requires more more consideration from the council I think we should postpone
it and and let the citizens be more aware of what of what is involved in this and I personally had some more like bureaucratic like concerns about how this would be administered uh that weren't brought up by the previous speakers uh first of all um
uh yeah assuming we were to adopt this agreement would does the city have any intent to formally uh review uh the effectiveness uh the impact of this ordinance after a specified time period have you guys thought about that um also uh how difficult would it be to
terminate this agreement the city decided they didn't want to be involved is it distinctly another letter to the County Commission and say we're not interested anymore the third question I had was what if the County Commission changed their ordinance in some way do we have any input into what's going to
be in the ordinance down the road and any recourse if we don't like the changes that they made I just think you guys should think about that you know before we make a decision thank you thank you Mr Snelling are there other members of the public
Gina D'Angelo upstairs president um like many of the others have mentioned I believe this is overreach by the board of County Commissioners and um the requirements when you sign a lease
they're they're spelled out in the lease the um late fees are spelled out in the lease it's a contract between the the tenant and the landlord and I don't think I don't feel that um the government should be involved in that
and um like Eric mentioned there's a lot of more bureaucratic burden for the landlord and I just don't think that it's necessary and
how about this um there's just there's no no need for attendance Bill of Rights as stated in the ordinance other members of the public you've already spoken you don't get another bite
I have one comment okay you got three minutes that's are there other members of the public okay I'm going to close the public comment part this is your last going once okay
would you indulge me for a moment sure I I'd like to I'm not not to convince anybody but I'd like to try to put this in the larger context here I first of all whether you agree or not
I don't want anybody going away thinking that your elected officials don't read anything or don't do any homework or just because you may not have done this you elected us to dig pretty deep and we do our job pretty well so I don't feel I personally I don't think
we need more time to read more I don't know what more I'd read I've already read you think I would vote on something like this without doing my homework I don't do that but let me put this in a little larger context um to just try to explain what we're
trying to do and why this is so important all right so bear with me a little bit because I got to start at the beginning of the story so I'm going to get to this but let me give the background here as you know Florida and Hillsborough
County specifically is on fire we have more Economic Development and Tourism we are shattering records every month we are bringing in businesses like crazy our tourism which is not just people going to Busch Gardens it's
conferences it's commercial tourism that's conferences we are one of the hottest conference markets in the entire country right now we're hotter than Orlando which has never happened we are bringing in businesses you know
where Temple Terrace is part of the Economic Development Corporation we're bringing in businesses shattering records we have never seen this kind of economic growth so the reason I say that is there are two big threats to this that we talk
about at the EDC all the time and the two big threats or can we continue to supply an adequate supply of labor because if you if if the labor goes away or dries up or gets all taken up
the companies won't come that's one of the top things they look at there's a few of them tax burden locations of Port rail those but one of them is labor luckily we have USF and some of the other universities but labor is Big that's why you're seeing these trade academies pop up all over the place
because labor labor labor part of Labor is housing that workers can afford to live in we're not talking about the work the poor we're not talking about we're talking about working people teachers and stuff you're seeing this in
some very affluent cities in the states Sarasota Naples places where there are tons of money people can't afford to live they're even contemplating buildings teacher housing public housing for school teachers because they can't get teachers because nobody can afford
to live in Sarasota anymore the second thing by the way is transportation so when we're at talking Transportation stuff it's not just that we're tired being stuck in traffic it's we're talking Economic Development also so the two big threats are housing
that's affordable and transportation that's what we worry about at the EDC obviously this won't fix all of that but that's the backdrop when we're having these conversations so just to give you and these numbers vary a little bit depending on what
source you get them from but the trend is the same even if you're going to go online I know you're going to find a number that's two percent different than mine again right so the numbers differ a little bit but the trends are the same the average rent in Hillsborough County this month right now is Nineteen Hundred
and fifteen dollars now without something to compare that to you're like well okay that's the median which means there's half above half below we know how the averages work 2019 November 2019.
the average was eleven hundred dollars so it's increased almost 60 percent in our Market in three years now a lot of contributing factors and a lot of things now that doesn't affect anybody in this room because we all owner homes we're not feeling this but the people running apartments are
feeling it right this ordinance proposed well the county Warden is not proposed all we're talking about is whether to opt in or not this ordinance doesn't establish rent controls rent controls are illegal in the state of Florida except in very narrow circumstances and we're not in that like
post-disaster hurricane stuff like that other than that rent controls are illegal this doesn't do any of that so another thing that goes into this is homelessness now homelessness in Hillsborough County is tabulated every
year they count the homeless people every year there's a couple ways they do that it's not perfect but they do it the same way every year so even though the number may not be perfect the trend is accurate because they do it the same way homelessness is up not very much three
or four percent in Hillsborough County that's just not I mean that's bad if you're one of those three percent but it's not terrible family homelessness in Hillsborough County is up 21 percent now I don't know if those people lost
their homes because of rent increases or not but it stands to reason Common Sense seems to think there's some kind of connection here family homelessness is up 21 percent right folks I understand your concern about regulating our local landlord there's a
lot of people in Temple Terrace who are small scale you know they might have 10 20 properties that they rent out that's what they do by and large the vast majority of landlords are fine upstanding people who largely are already adhering to what
this would require I mean it might change the dates the days a little bit from what the but it's this should be no onus on most of our landlords because most of them are already doing the right thing they're already doing this
who is not doing this or the corporate companies the Wall Street corporations who are coming into Hillsborough County all over Florida all over the country really and buying up the rental housing market by the tens of thousands of units
right in the third quarter of last year 25 percent of the rental property sales in Hillsborough County Hillsborough County not to Miami Hillsborough County 25 percent of them were not sold to individuals like Mr Kravitz they're still the corporations Wall Street
corporations most of the amount of State many of them out of the country if you have an IRA or any kind of mutual fund or anything like that the chances are that part of your money is in companies that are buying up the rental market the
reason they're buying up the rental market is it's red hot right you're they're making money hand over fist on these rental properties these people are the people who are not doing this these are the people who
whatever their lease right I know what the bars the bar says this is what the lease should say but that doesn't mean that's what the lease does say right and these people are out of China or Germany or Illinois or wherever right they do have to adhere to chapter
83 of Florida Statutes but chapter 83 does not provide this level of doesn't doesn't require the notice of 60 days if you're going to raise their rent over five percent so you go to renew your lease a month or so before it expires
and all of a sudden they said well your rent's going up 800 bucks a month that's not an arbitrary figure by the way that's what happened to my daughter in Lakeland that's that was the number 800 a month now you've got three weeks to go find a new place to live try doing that in Hillsborough County folks
try doing that try finding a place in in three weeks where you can move okay this will not stop that we all understand that but we're trying to have a positive impact on a problem that is huge and it's not just huge because we think
people are being mean it's huge because these corporations are coming in and they're not giving notice of late fees right they're not I I talked to somebody who was given a hundred and fifty dollar late fee because the the rent check was
one penny short and they were given a hundred and fifty dollar late fee is it happening in Temple Terrace yeah I don't know how widespread it is but I do get complaints so oh another thing to talk about is the
render I told you the average rents 1950 I promise I'm going to land the plane average rent is 1950 15 the average income for these same people is forty thousand dollars a year which if you do the math that's the
average there's probably no single person who's average but I mean there's half above half below we don't understand that but keep in mind there's half below right on average the median is these people are paying 57 of their household
income just for rent in Hillsborough County right now I don't know if there's any single person but that's the that's the average right rule of thumb is 30 is what you should be paying for housing and that gives you 70 for the rest of
your stuff right they're paying almost double that so what does this ordinance require okay the word well it's stats I mean you can look them up I can tell you where to get them so that what does this ordinance require it does require you to
consider all income streams now we talked a lot about section eight but that's not the only one there's also Vash which is the Veterans Affairs Supportive Housing mcdill Air Force Base is in a huge crisis right now because their military members assigned here
can't afford to live here there's been meetings and meetings and meetings with the leaders at MacDill Air Force Base over what to do because they don't have enough housing and their lower ranking service members have nowhere to live they can't live here right they don't
make enough money so it requires you to consider and accept all legal forms of income okay now I understand the there's some ramification I get that but in this market that's what it does
it requires you to give notice of to your tenants of 60 days if you're going to raise the rent over five percent it doesn't say you can't do it it just says you have to give a 60-day notice right well
I could see that I mean I just don't think that's so much of a burden that this is a big problem it requires late notice of late fees you can't just arbitrarily say you're a penny short and now it's 150 bucks and if you don't like it I'm going to evict you right
there's a process for that it requires notice of what the late fee is and what it's for and what it's going to be doesn't restrict how much rent a landlord can charge it does not restrict how much a landlord can raise their rent
it just requires them to give notice does not change the eviction rules or process at all that's covered by chapter 83 of Florida Statutes already it doesn't change eviction so we have three options before the
council and I and it's up to you whatever you want to do right there's three options one and we can do nothing and we can say chapter 83 covers this well it doesn't cover it because Hillsborough County Tampa Saint Pete Pinellas Orange County every city or county that I'm familiar well not
everyone that's exaggeration but most of the Cities across the state and counties across the state are looking for some sort of remedy to this crisis because it's even worse in some places like Naples and Sarasota Boca Raton it's terrible so we're not in a vacuum
here everybody across the state is like what are we going to do right so we can do nothing and then we can be the only place in the area that doesn't have these protections and we consider on a wait for unscrupulous landlords that want to come here because we don't have any rules and
everywhere else does I don't know that's an option um we can write our own ordinance which we talked about about a year and a half ago when the county was doing this we talked about writing our own ordinance couple
issues that came up one was we don't have the staff to enforce it we have three code enforcement officers and we don't want to take them off of doing what they already do because what they really can make an argument that they need more already we can't take them off because every time you go to complaint
along this line you have to do an investigation you have to go and get copies see when the notice was you got to do something you can't just not just answering the phone we could write our own ordinance um and as far as the question about can
we does this is this preempted by the state no there's an attorney general opinion already that says that these types of that the Hillsborough County ordinance is sufficient agos that there's already an ago opinion on this I do have concern and mark my words
because this is going to come around I do have concern that the more fractured we are with doing this like Tampa didn't go with Hillsborough County they wanted their own Saint Pete didn't go with Pinellas they wrote their own I'm concerned about the cities going their own way because the more fractured
you do this the more opportunity there is that the state is going to step in and preempt this and say we can't have these companies and everywhere they do business the rules are different so stand by that's common um so we could do nothing we can write our
own ordinance or we can do what this discussion was going to do and that is to ask the county to apply their ordinance to us and enforce it they're willing to do that those are really those three options we
have and and um I mean if this is an onerous burden on landlords we certainly don't want that but I don't I just can't believe that it's going to kill anybody to give 60-day notice that they're going to raise the rent
over five percent so that's the context um and I don't know what do you want to do yes I had a lot of things to say but you said all of them probably kind of better
then I was going to say them but there were a couple things that I wrote down that kind of add to the picture that that you drew and you know just seeing this from a perspective of of a tenant you know we've seen these high rate
hikes where where people's rents are going up like you said 800 a month 350 a month and it's sudden and you don't have time to Pivot or adjust and there's not enough housing inventory to find something else especially in a short term
covet era housing assistance has ended affordable housing down south was destroyed in hurricane Ian and legally speaking Florida law favors tenants and eviction proceedings are fast and here in Hillsborough County we've had a 20
percent increase in population in the last 10 years while we've only had a 10 percent increase in housing units so that's a problem we were already behind and now we're more behind so shifting people around with rent
increases and not letting people have the notice that they need um really adds to that problem um like the mayor said these are coming up all over the state this isn't just Hillsborough County Pinellas County we're hearing these
conversations in Orange County Boynton Beach sometimes just cities and I agree with the statement about it being a a fracture a fractured thing weakens it like you said so I mean I like to make the motion right now to go ahead oh is
it too early we're talking first all right I'm done here once again you've done an awesome job of explaining a very difficult thing to read and yes we did read I read the Tampa ordinance
I've read the Hillsborough County ordinance there are just a few words different I think it's you know it's one thing for Tampa to say it needs its own they have their own enforcement we don't okay and one of the things that were said at the affordable housing Advisory
board meeting was that plant city was going to devise one and we would be the only outlier and when you drive between Hillsborough County and Temple Terrace you really unless you live in Temple Terrace you don't know where one ends and the other
begins and it just starts to set up that ambiguity that you mentioned um there are an awful lot of rules that we all live by and for some reason every time we try to clarify Rule people say oh this is overreach
these rules like you said 60-day notice and I know that was mentioned by a landlord here this evening but 60 days notice considering that there is no other alternative to leaving and getting in different apartment
especially if the rent is above five percent that that's that's just common courtesy and I would expect we all believe the best of the people who live here and work here I would expect that our landlords are doing the right thing
but there's always that bad apple who makes it hard on everybody so um I I I'm happy that you're going to make that motion and I do appreciate all the work that you've done on the affordable housing board because they hammered this thing out if this is not
something that they threw together this has been going on for a long time they've been looking at this since the problem erupted during covet so um I also want to know I believe the Border County Commission is ready to
vote on this so if we don't do something we will be left out just because we waited too long am I right do you know do they have a date no it's already they're waiting need to send them a letter that we are
interested in being made part of this mention had been made that you know this is County overreach they didn't come to us asking wanting us to be part of this we went to them so they're not overreaching we're asking to
be included because of the enforcement provision also I think there was a misstatement with regard to a a a month-to-month tenant it doesn't require 60 days notice for a month to month it's only 30 days right now
Florida Statutes require I believe 15 days so it's only 15 extra days and as a landlord myself it costs me the cost of two extra pages to print out the notice of rights to attach to the leases I use
that's that's the full expense the cost of printing out two pieces of paper so um and Saint Pete's had theirs since at least 2019. um so I just wanted to say that just to
clarify this ordinance is already in effect yes this isn't new for Hillsborough County okay this is not a new this is just where this isn't a proposed ordinance for Hillsborough County this this is already in effect all we're doing is contemplating whether
to ask them to include us which they have agreed to I understand they have yes okay thank you for clarifying that councilmember Chambers thank you mayor um what's nice about being last again is I don't have to reiterate all the stuff you just said thank you all three for
doing a great job I don't have a problem with the notice periods I think it's only fair to have this much notice to give people a chance to find other places I don't have a problem with the county administering this because they do that
at other levels our court systems run by the county we don't have that so that it just makes sense it also makes sense to me to be the same as everybody else if I was a landlord and I had properties in the county and in Tampa and Tumble Terrace I would want everything to be
about the same as I could so I wouldn't get caught doing something wrong in one of the jurisdictions so I don't really have a problem with any of this and we'll support it one more quick comment I know where he spoke a long time but Mr snowing brought
up what I think are some very valid questions that I wanted because I had some of those same questions what would happen what will we do if the county because we don't control the boccc what will we do if they revise
this ordinance and adopt Provisions that we don't want to break so that that I had the same question there's two solutions to that one of them is we we would have input but how
much weight they would put on that who knows so we would have input but it's supposed that they didn't listen to us and they did which is probably likely let's be real right they they probably do what they want to do anyway if they adopted
something that we didn't as a body support for instance rent control is illegal but suppose they did something like that that we said wait when we signed on to the terms of November 22. we didn't want that
there is a simple solution and that is at that point we could write a city ordinance if there's a conflict between a city ordinance and the County ordinance the city ordinance prevails so the quick solution to that is to
write a city ordinance now would we then have to figure out how to do the enforcement yet we would yes so could that happen it could right but that is an out so we could easily get
out of some future terms that might be put in so I that those are valid questions because we have had that discussion also so all right other discussion I moved to direct staff to write the
letter to the county requesting that we joined their tenant Bill of Rights is that sufficient I'll second that motion the only thing I would add or ask to for clarification is when their County
ordinance first took effect they had a I think it was a 90-day lead-in before enforcement was done and I would ask in the letter that I've got to write that I asked them
to give from whatever date they approve our inclusion to make it 90 days before they do any enforcement just like they gave their landlords we've got to give a chance for our landlords and on that I did attend the affordable housing board
the other day uh as an alternate for Miss Abel and um they said that that you know there's like you said they are having education opportunities daily to get people up to
speed on what it really means and what you know there's a lot of what people read and they read a one sentence and they think it means one thing and we all know these these ordinances are not easy to read and so that they've been able to
um to get through those cases almost every one of them without having to go any further with litigation or anything so that that's I would I would agree to that if you change your motion sure I'll amend what I said to include the 90-day
lead and I'll second that motion as amended discussion on the motion all those in favor opposed no names um thank you every year we'll get together
on the Drafting and then where are we we are at the council business well we have a logo to approve City Centennial logo foreign is that going to be on our screen is it going to be
Cheryl we could put it there and I could hold them and he has a camera trained on that spot is what I'm saying you're working on okay okay hi I'm Sharon Gaskin and I'm chair of the Centennial committee I wasn't with
you two weeks ago when some of the logos and slogans were first presented to you Mike co-chair Miss Hudson was here and I know that there were some recommendations made by the council about things you would like to see maybe slightly changed
and so your city staff Miss Hayes and the committee worked together to make those changes for you and what we're hoping for tonight is that we will get your approval so we can move forward and start doing some of the planning for the Centennial that
involves the slogan and the logo so uh I I'm see I know that you have copies of it that you were given copies as well as seeing the one that is here and I think that the things that you recommended were all addressed does anyone have any comments or questions
that we can answer I like it I'm not an art guy but I like it yeah you know art when you see it right I like it I like it the tree looks like a tree the orange looks like an orange we got one golfer instead of two I like it
in the kayaker we understand what he is now okay so you're all happy with this look did it go from Orange to black or is that just for tonight we there's a lot of variability on what we may end up doing with color and different colors depending on the
application there'll always be a black and white version available as well because we understand that that's required for certain things but uh as far as how we'll color it we cut we may get very inventive in that area in the future now put that on polo shirts and
sell it yes we're even thinking flags that residents can buy you know we this is everybody's Centennial this is everybody's Centennial in this community and so we're going to think of a lot of different ways to make sure
that everybody gets included uh In This Very cheerful event so councilmember Chambers what do you think I like it you like it yeah you're good I'm really good with it yeah that's memorable I'm good councilmember Donna
here city manager what do you think City attorney can you see it see how I said it's missing a coyote oh no no no no coyotes please City Clerk it looks like looks like the 1925 should be moved um
yeah Center the bottom Oh you mean the words are the center to the top too you can't do the center at the top or you're running to the golfer right oh I see there they line up with the top yeah
they line up there so the so yeah I can't yeah I see okay the a would run into okay anything else City Clerk look all right
public what do you think all right Miss tunnelson oh are you good with this you like it you don't care you gotta care okay she's gonna be all over the city this is going to be in in store front windows it's going to be in you're going to see this
Awards we hope signs Mr Ritter what do you think yes yes we would really like it if you'd do that foreign we'll work this out yes okay all right
so do we have your approval as it sounds like you do yeah go forward thank you very much city council mayor I appreciate you thank you for all your work to your the committee I know how hard you've worked and thank you thank you okay we're still under Council business
folks is there a carryover council business or board reports I have not carryover Council I have new business and board reports well that's oh I'm sorry new business and board report any other carryover Council business okay we'll shift and go to new business
and board reports which is where board reports are council member Chambers okay well before my board report I want to talk about a new business I want to say how great Saturday was in Temple Terrace holy cow in the morning we had Trot through the Terrace which is a good event for Terrace Community Middle
School then we had the 49th Annual Arts Festival Saturday was a fantastic day there great weather we had I think and I didn't don't have the numbers yet but I think we had the best attendance of any of the days at Woodmont location Sunday was a good day too it's always
smaller than Saturday but anyway Saturday was a great day with the Arts Festival I want to thank the city for the partnership with the Arts Council the Parks and Recreation or leasing Services Department the work they did the police Public Works the the normal suspects that always help us out on
events but thank you very much for that partnership and the partnership with the golf and country club for their use of the Fairway and then that night we had the 100 year sale vibration of the golf and country club and that was a very nice event those of you that attended and I did for only a couple hours
because I was tired but everybody else had a really good time and stayed late with uh what I understand was an amazing laser light show at the end but Saturday was just a good Temple Terrace day so on a board report Tampa Bay Regional planning Council which is one of my
boards we had our monthly meeting yesterday and one of the big topics was food insecurity in the Tampa Bay area and trying to increase what we just heard St Vincent de Paul talk about and with our community gardens we have in Temple Terrace to try to get more
locally grown food and this group that did the presentation is try their goal is to get every square foot of spare public space in the Bay Area to have some kind of gardening potential whether it's a pot on the porch or in the
backyard or a small bed in the backyard or at the corners of the rec center property is there any of those different things well amazing statistic in the United States the average distance our food comes from
is one thousand five hundred miles so food that's grown here in the Bay Area probably gets shipped somewhere else to come back to us because it goes to processing place so they're working on things their goal in 10 years is to try to have two percent of the food in
our uh and that we use here come from local areas that's a big ask because it's way below that now but I just thought it was interesting and pertinent to what we heard tonight and there'll be more there'll be a big presentation and I'll send it out to you when I get it so that was that was that on that board
thank you thank you councilman other I want to make a comment about the community garden you know we are again an amazing City in that we have three Community Gardens here so I hope you bragged on Temple Terrace a little bit
because I did yes I did because not only do we offer that we we helped start the one at St Vincent de Paul I mean we didn't we we advise them on how to do the different the setup of the beds and what
have you um but absolutely I mean that's amazing that um they're encouraging so what they're doing is encouraging people to do what we've done and there's a big group and this was a presentation by a a group in the anthropology department of
USF and they are working real hard there they're our neighbor and we want to increase our activity with USF this is something that we should get involved with at their level because they're trying to preach it all through the Bay Area and we're next door very good
my report is that I will be teaching Civics to um second graders and fifth graders at Lewis Elementary on Thursday at the Great American teach-in and um I have to I have to jockey you know which class is
going to hear what because I usually do a recycling class and a class on why do your parents pay taxes and you know the person who's always the most surprised is the teacher they're like oh yeah that's right we do that is where our Tech I'm like you're being paid by
tax dollars so anyway it's a joyful day if any of you I see you'll see I see Engineers I see oh I see it folks I see lots of people out there you know I see sanitation you're all going to be
mentioned in my presentation but if any of you or any of you in the listening audience have time Thursday pick a school call them up now and let them know that you'd like to share either your hobby or your profession they will be more than happy to have you come into
the classroom and now that the coveted restrictions have been lifted they've definitely want to encourage people to come back into the school so so great American teaching has been going on for a long time I'm glad I'm part of it thank you councilmember Abel yeah okay
very good city managers report mayor first of all I just wanted to commend our staff and all the community volunteers that work throughout the hurricane it wasn't much of a hurricane thankfully after the fact that we were prepared and we couldn't have done it without everybody's work on it so uh
thank you if I could have Mr langfield come up our Leisure Services director he has a announcement I think we've all been waiting for good evening mayor members of city council um to uh to piggyback on James's comments about great days in the city of
Temple Terrace we have another one coming up in just a couple of weeks on Saturday December 3rd uh there are uh three great events that are going to be going on in the city of Temple Terrace um the first one I'm bringing up just because of James's comment about how
great this past Saturday was um the family complex has been selected um to host the finals for the state level uh senior game Swimming championships so that's going to be held at the at the
family complex on the morning of Saturday December 3rd and on Saturday December 4th um but then the good stuff really happens on Saturday night our annual lighted golf cart parade and winter wonderland event uh to start with the golf cart parade um everybody who
has golf carts in town please come out please support this event it is a great event there is a 10 registration fee to join the event however that 10 fee to join the event will include your golf cart sticker for 2023. um
just as a bonus so yeah staging for the parade will be at the family complex and start at 5 p.m the parade will begin at 6 00 pm and end at Woodmont Park where we'll be hosting the winter wonderland activities anybody interested in taking part in the golf
cart parade please go to the family Recreation Complex to get signed up for that pay your ten dollars get your golf cart registration sticker taken care of at the same time then Winter Wonderland comes up at Woodmont Park in the first Fairway of the golf course the event
takes place from 5 30 to 8 30 p.m we have some great activities lined up this year including a nice slide a snow pile which is new for this year for the children to play on holiday caroling food trucks carnival games the annual tree lighting ceremony will take place
for which I hope you will all take part in photo booth and of course Santa Claus will be there uh the tree lighting will take place at the at the Gazebo at 7 pm uh Santa Claus will be available for children of all ages to come and make their Christmas
wishes this event could not be possible without our generous sponsors uh glidewell advisors and Joanne Kelly properties and Mission Hill Church so I hope to see everybody out for winter wonderland coming up on Saturday December 3rd thank
you thank you Mr langfield the uh the next item Mr Mayor is regarding capwood Avenue so this Council knows several weeks ago the City Contractor paved capwood Avenue unfortunately the the work product that
was done was not to our satisfaction so we have directed the contractor to repave that street and I'm going to ask Mr tinch our utilities director to come up and give us more details welcome back yeah yeah feels like it's been forever right so a little bit of background on what
happened there on capwood the seams were the two asphalt uh Layman's touch actually there was some unevenness in it so we worked for the contractor initially to go out reheat the seam so in the middle of the
road where the two overlay mints touch they reheated it they tried to roll her back out it did not work we asked him to go back out again they went back out again same thing Unfortunately they had the same result so in talking with the
contractor we made a determination that when we move forward with this fiscal Year's resurfacing which will include basically the remainder of that subdivision of the River Run subdivision they are going to go out and Mill up that surface that was put down basically
it runs between the two speed bumps where the tico easement is located so if you do drive that area and notice it as you venture towards the center of the road you'll feel a little bit of Bounce in your left tire so the long shore of it is they're going to go out they're going to Mill up the existing surface
the new Surface they just put down and put down another overlay within that area to smooth that out so that is the intent and likely we'll probably take place after the first of the year okay at no additional charge that's what I was going to ask you so it's going to
be like it is until after the first of the year that's correct okay is there any way to communicate this to that the residents in that neighborhood to let them know I mean I because you know I know we're doing this in a public meeting but believe it or not
people don't sit at a home and watch these meetings um how can we how can we communicate that because if you live in a neighborhood you go oh man there's my tax dollars at work the road Zone jerk you know doesn't and we've certainly had a number of individuals call and lawyers
are concerned about the final product and we're letting them know individually but I'm sure we can work with Lori on potentially putting something on the website I don't know that going door to door no no I wouldn't I wouldn't but I would like maybe some type of Outreach
because um you know it's a negative it's kind of embarrassing to go back and say they didn't do the road right but it's also a positive that we didn't accept that it's not up to our level and we're going to make them fix it we can we'll work to get that out through social media and we'll look at
other Alternatives yeah we can potentially even look at a roadside signage or something along that yeah I mean not just to let folks know that that section will be resurfaced okay are we just talking about one Street yes yes Capital enough just to go the
old-fashioned way and send them a U.S mail letter well it's the street it enters that neighborhood so it'll probably be the broader name because everybody lives in there has to drive oh that's true okay you're right all right sorry okay thank you members Council so the next item is
actually pertaining to the fountain at the fountain shops that was alluded to in the last meeting by a member of the public staff has once again reached out to the property manager of that site the uh the latest details the last time we talked about this we had indicated they were on
their next they're on their second contractor and we are told now that the estimate because apparently there's a they believe what happened was that the site may have been hit by lightning and so it actually fried some of the components there in a Vault Under The Fountain
and that led to the sump up not working and so the sump pump flooded the rest of the components were damaged and so they're telling us that their need to replace the this is a much more extensive repair the numbers that they've told us are now at forty thousand dollars
potentially to repair the fountain and they're claiming that there's a 15-week lead time for the components um the other issues that the property manager who has been a very good resource for the city to work with he is no longer with the company uh with the
owner so we are now contemplating about what to do next we want to make sure that their their feet are held to the fire so that they don't lose sight of this important piece of of the community and that was included in their site plan so we're looking at those Alternatives at this point
I also wanted to follow up the last meeting the vice mayor had mentioned some concerns over homesteaded properties that are under code enforcement pending action and uh we have internally we have met the legal department Community
Development and Code Compliance and myself looking at what other tools we could employ and as a result of that meeting what we have done is there's basically three properties right now that are pretty much our most egregious
cases and we have issued notice to the property owner effective this afternoon actually that we're going to take the one of the properties the worst one in our opinion to County Court the property owner to County court that is again another means it makes the property owner have to go to court if
they don't go to court they could be in contempt of court and we hope that the judge will look favorably on the case one of these properties has had years and years of basically fines accruing um so that's that's one Avenue that's the short-term
solution that we're pursuing right now at this very moment another thing we're looking at as well concurrently is to um perhaps bring you a chronic nuisance ordinance which some communities and some counties in the State of Florida have adopted which could be used for
certain issues uh it's it's practical for example if there are issues where people just let the yards grow out of control and they don't they're just on the nose at the city in those instances for example the city would be able to go in and address that nuisance or if there are other nuisances such as noise and things like that and we make multiple
responses you get to a point where you you're able to Bill for those responses once you get to pass a certain threshold for example or if you have to do and go in and do work yourself as a community and those costs could be assessed to the tax bill and they would take priority actually
over other potential elements of your of your tax bill so uh that's a tool that other communities have used effectively apparently so we're looking at that and potentially will bring you an ordinance for your consideration and that's all I have good that's a lot
council member questions for the city manager city clerk I think you had a few comments refers to that and says newly elected members of city council shall be sworn in and take office on the regularly scheduled city council meeting after certification on the second regularly
scheduled city council meeting after certification of the election results um the election results haven't been certified yet they require 10 days after for the overseas ballots and we haven't even hit that 10 days yet and then they will certify it I'm hoping I'm hopeful
that it will be done before our December 6 meeting so that the second meeting would be December 20th where the new council members would be would be sworn in okay council members questions for the city clerk thank you for that clarification
City attorney I was just going to be talking about the Code Enforcement issue but the city manager covered that so I have nothing okay good directors any other Business Council Members any other business to come before the
council okay we will stand adjourned thank you thank you