[Music] [Music] Hey, Hello, my name is Ian Kemp. I'm the fire chief here in the city of Temple Terrace. As we recognize National Hurricane Preparation Week, I want to remind you that preparation is the key
to protecting yourself, your family, and your home during this hurricane season. Here are a few important steps that I'd like to go over with you. Number one, make a plan. Know your evacuation zone routes and create a family communication plan. Number two, build an emergency
kit. Include water, non-p perishable food, medication, flashlights, batteries, and all the supplies and food for your pets. Also, plan for special needs. Register with emergency management in your area if you or your loved ones required special assistance
during the evacuation period. Remember, hurricane season is right around the corner on June 1st. Taking these simple steps can mean all the difference in the world when a storm approaches. You sit up straight and look good. So, so good evening and welcome everybody to the May 6th meeting of the
Temple Terrace City Council. It's nice to see everybody. I'd like to remind you to please silence your electronic devices. And if you would please stand and join me in the invocation and the pledge. Lord, we ask for your guidance tonight as we pursue the work of self-governance. We are thankful that we
live in a country where our natural rights are enshrined in law and we can freely elect our government leaders. Grant us wisdom to make decisions that advance the common welfare of all and move our city towards future prosperity. We pray especially for the Catholic
Church as it embarks on the selection of a new pope who serves as an important spiritual figure for people of all faiths. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. So, for those of you who don't often visit our meetings, uh, welcome again. And, and we do have a I keep saying it's a new tradition. I don't know how long it's new. We've been doing it for like two years, so it's not really new, I
guess, anymore. But, uh, we have a tradition here in Temple Terrace where we begin the meeting uh, with a fun or interesting fact about the city of Temple Terrace or the region that the city's in. And so, tonight that duty falls on council member Chambers. Thank you, Councilman. Thank you, mayor. So,
uh, last meeting, uh, our historic fact was about the 911 system, uh, that we have now in the city. Everybody, uh, is used to that calling for emergencies. But in, uh, before that, each of the two big departments, fire and police, had their own phone numbers. And, uh, those
numbers changed over the years. But the last iteration of those numbers, if you wanted uh, emergency and the police, it was 9897111. if you wanted fire, it was uh 9897112. Now, uh growing up here, I
remember on the refrigerators in our house and at the rec center when I worked on the phones, there were magnets. Police had one that looked like a police car. Does anybody remember those? Anybody? Yes. A little white police car, probably a Crown Vic. They had the number on all over the place.
And the fire had a fire emblem. I don't know what they had before that. But let me just pick on fire a little bit on that in a good way. Also in the mid70s I was a volunteer firefighter for Temple Terrace. So back then it was transitioning from a volunteer
department to a fully paid department. So there was a paid shift of guys, three or four guys each shift. And if they went out on a call, they called the uh the volunteers to come in. Now the volunteers were called on a way with a device called the Pleon. Chief, do you
even remember any of the You don't know. You weren't old enough. Don't say it. Okay. Yes, sir. Okay. The PL Yes. A Plexron was a big box about the size of a VCR, you know, big box. And you plugged it in either to the wall or your cigarette lighter of your car. And when
a call went out, uh the uh fire department guys with the radio in the truck would key their mic and they had a tuning fork in the vehicle and they would hit the tuning fork and that particular frequency would set the plexrons off all around that if you were
volunteer and when that went off it means you come to the station. So, when you got to the fire station, which was kind of where the library is now, the old station with one bay, uh you went in the back door and there was a chalkboard on on the wall. Right above what's
called the fire phone on on the desk was a red phone. That was the emergency phone. And when you walked in the back, they would have a code for what type of event it was. They only had four codes. Okay? So, these were the codes. If you saw one, that meant there was a
structure fire. So this is what we had back in the 70s, the importance of temple terrace fire. Two was a vehicle accident. Makes sense. Three was a brush fire. Believe it or not, there was a lot of open space and we had a lot of brush
fires. And four, dumpster fire. Apparently people like to set the dumpsters on fire. There was nothing back then. They didn't run medical calls. That was done. They didn't have a medical group then. So those were the four codes. So give you two more examples of this. One time I was there
kind of just hanging out with the fire guys and a call came in on the firephone. They answered it. Tumble Terrace Fire Department. Kind of what's your emergency? The lady on the other end, help my kitchen's on fire. Hungs up. Hang
up. There's no way to GPS. Nobody knows where it is. We just know somebody in the city has a a kitchen on fire. She never left the address. We go up the ladder because that time you could go on the roof and we're look we're standing on the roof looking around for smoke. The lady calls back. So we got to
that they got to that call and then one where we got a call and uh I was at uh Woodmont at my building and the call came in. I called Ken Boyd the director and I said, "We got two other employees here. I'm at the end of my shift. Can I leave a few minutes early? There's a
fire somewhere." I go to the station. I walk in the back, see class one structure fire and my parents address. So that was my parents' house was on fire. So that was cool, too. Kind of. Uh what it ended up was my old room
caught on fire from a lightning strike. And so I told my mom, "If you wanted me to clean my room, come get all my stuff out. You could have just told me. You didn't have to burn it." But anyway, that's my report. So that was the old days before uh 911. Well, thank you, Council Member Chambers. That was That
was excellent. And I'm just looking at our younger employees and they're still trying to figure out what a VCR is. It was the video version of an eight track. I saw them I saw them goo they're googling it down low. What's a VCR? So,
and incidentally, um I was going to do this later, but now seems more appropriate. If my information is correct, if if my spies are correct, I have it on my calendar. I've had it on my counter for about a year now that this coming weekend, I thought it was
last weekend, but this coming weekend, uh, marks 50 years of service for Council Member Chambers to the city of Temple Terrace. Now, that's different. Yeah. [Applause] Right. And he and he disputed me the other day when I said that. He goes,
"No, because I retired and then it was a two-year break before I ran for office, but he was on the library board for those two years. So it's 50 years of continuous service now. And so you started at what the age of three or four I guess now uh 16. Yeah. So I was a
recreation aid at 16. Anyhow, someday one of you are going to be sitting up here and get somebody's going to be talking about you and 50 years of service. Right. You look so excited about that. Right. So speaking of recognition, I'd like to call uh Kevin Templan to the
podium. Uh for those of you who know Kevin uh for those of you who don't this is one of our parks and wreck employees uh and he has been selected as the employee of the month and that is no easy feat in Temple Terrace particularly
in leisure services because you work with a tremendous group of people and for those of you who were at River Jam this last week um that is 90% leisure services people that do that and so that's the kind stuff they do all the
time. If you go to the rec center, you know the caliber of employee we have. These recognitions of employee of the month are voted on by their peers. Um they're not just selected by managers. So that's that really tells you something when you're when your
colleagues vote you as employee of the month and working with the people that you work with. Um that really stands out. So would you like to say a few words? Yeah, I just want to say that it's nice to be recognized, but also too I appreciate my my team and everyone I work with because can't do it without
them. So, well, they can't do it without you either. So, um thank you and thank you to all of you. So, all right, let's give them a round of applause. Stand up here. Got a promotion. Jason got a promotion. Thank you. Good job. Thank you.
Jason, you wear many hats. Yeah. So, next item is a certificate of recognition. Oh, the next item is actually moved, ladies and gentlemen, to May 20th. That is our telecommunicator of the year and we will be doing that on May 20th. So, next we have a
proclamation for Temple Terrace Day. I don't think anybody's going to receive this. We're just going to read it. Is that Cheryl? That Okay. So, this is in recognition of our official birthday. It actually isn't May 6th. It's May 28th. Um, so we'll have to do it again on May
28th. Corey She just turned in her retirement paper here. Um, this is in recognition of our centennial celebration. Says, "Whereas the city of Temple Terrace was officially incorporated on May 28th, 20
1925 and is celebrating its 100th anniversary. In 1914, Bertha Palmer purchased 19,000 acres of land and named it River Hills and turned the most attractive part of it into the hunting preserve and ranch. After her death in 1918, the
River Hills property was sold to a Tampa real estate developer who resold it to a group of prominent individuals including Ma Fowler D. Collins Gillette who began to work on temple terrace development plans comprised of beautiful homes, parks, playgrounds, winding boulevards
lined with tropical trees and flowers, clubouses, and an impressive golf course. Today, the winding roads, expansive golf course, giant oak trees, and attractive 1920s town plan still exist within a community that retains a small town atmosphere while offering
large town amenities. Temple Terrace residents have a long and rich history and the Temple Terrace community continues to hold fast to its traditions and efforts to be to beautify and enhance this community. The mayor, city council,
employees, and residents envisioned a year-long celebration in this proclamation to mark the centennial anniversary of the city of Temple Terrace. Various community events are planned throughout the year in honor of our city and its history. The city of Temple Terrace welcomes all community
organizations, businesses, and residents to celebrate this centennial and participate in the festivities throughout the year of 2025. Therefore, I, Andy Ross, by virtue of authority vested in me as the mayor of the city of simple Terrace, Florida, do hereby proclaim and honor May 28th, 2025
as the official 100th anniversary and incorporation of the city of Temple Terrace and mark this day as Temple Terrace Day in which residents can honor our past, present, and most importantly, I think our future. I wish to congratulate the community on
celebrating the legacy of Temple Terrace while beginning Temple Terrace's next 100 years, which if history proves anything, will be 100 years of growth filled with remarkable achievements. And so, congratulations to everybody, this is for everybody in the
city. And this will be uh once we fix a typo on the first line, we will that I guess we all missed it because I signed this too. So, we will this will be displayed in city hall in the case outside the council chambers. So, anybody's welcome to come in anytime and
take a look at it. Next, we have a proclamation for 2025 National Police Week and our uh new police chief Bob Staley is here to receive the proclamation. Welcome, Chief. Evening. Good evening.
Whereas the Congress and President of the United States have designated May 15th as Peace Officers Memorial Day and the week in which May 15th falls as National Police Week. 165 law enforcement officers in the United States lost their lives in
the line of duty last year. The preliminary reports as of April 21st of this year indicate that an additional 21 law enforcement officers throughout the country have already lost their lives in the line of duty this year. Temple Terrace police officers play an essential role in safeguarding the
rights and freedoms of the citizens of Temple Terrace. Temple Terrace fire police officers unwaveringly serve all people, safeguarding lives and property, protecting our community against violence and disorder, the innocent against deception, and weak against
oppression and intimidation. Since the first recorded death of a law enforcement officer in 1786, more than 25,000 law enforcement officers in the United States have made the ultimate sacrifice. Therefore, I, Andy Ross, by
virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, do hereby proclaim the week of May 11th through 17, 2025 as National Police Week. And so, Chief, would you like to say a few words? Thank you. I really want to thank you for the proclamation. It means a lot to the men
and women of this agency and I want to thank you all for your support. We really have a tough job out there sometimes and we couldn't do this job effectively without all of your your help and your guidance. Um I think you have an amazing department here. It's really excellent. We are effective.
We're effective because we have your support. We have the community support. Um I think that we're going we're going places here. I think this is an awesome agency and this is um this is really a a great time to to thank your officers here in in your community. I just wanted to mention two events that we have
coming up. The Law Enforcement K9 Memorial is coming up on May 23rd at 8:30 a.m. Everyone is welcome to attend. It's open to the public. We also have our Citizens Police Academy on June 21st at 7:30. So, we have applications online if you want to attend. Very good. Thanks. And chief, you've heard me say
this at least a hundred times. the community in this city truly supports law enforcement and our police department. Um we never have any even even in 2020 when the winds are blowing a little weird. Um we never had any of our community that wavered in that in
that support. But that's a symbiotic relationship. It's a two-way street. And part of the reason that our community is so pro police department is because of the way the police department polices the city. I mean they treat people with respect. they uh they truly enforce the
law, but they do it in a very professional and and very courteous manner when possible. And so um they take care of your officers, your officers take care of them, and it works out great. So thank you to you, your command staff and and all your staff.
Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. You guys are every day. Let's bring another one. All right, one more. Tiffany Beltran. She's been patiently waiting. So have her kids.
I like those new shirts. Thank you. Get off the press. So this is a proclamation regarding water safety month. And so this proclamation reads, "The city of Temple Terrace is committed to providing water safety education to all residents and visitors. According to the Florida
Department of Health, Florida is ranked the highest in the US for drowning death rate among childrens ages 1 through four. Annually, deaths in Florida due to drowning among childrens ages 1 through four are enough to fill up four preschool classrooms.
As a community, we understand the essential role that protecting our children from accidental drowning is everyone's responsibility and understand the vital importance of providing access to water safety education and programs to families and individuals of all ages.
We recognize that it takes a collaborative effort among all groups with the within the community to be advocates for water safety education. Water safety month is an important is an important water safety month is an opportunity to promote water safety and
provide education on the prevention of recreational water related injuries, illnesses, and death. Now, therefore, I, Andy Ross, by virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, do hereby proclaim the month of May as water safety month. And for those of you who
don't know Tiffany Beltran, she is the what is your title? Aquatic supervisor. Is that the correct recreation supervisor of aquatics? Recreation supervisor of aquatics. She's the charge of the pools. Right. So, would you like to say a few words? Yes, please. Um,
with drowning statistics on the rise, it is vital to implement water safety measures into our community. Uh, research shows that students who take swim lessons are 88% less likely to drown, highlighting the importance of aquatics education.
So, with our team, we would be able to serve our community with the dedication of our water safety team, the guys in white shirts, just a few of them. Um, thanks to their effort, last year, we instructed over 700 swimmers through swim lessons. We had multiple CPR
trainings throughout the year. Additionally, we provided water safety education to seven seven local Temple Terrace um in Hillsboro County schools. Um, and then we equip individuals of all ages with life safety skills. So, this
is just a few members of my team. Why don't you introduce them? Yes. This is Ben. Um, Ben is one of our lead guards, Kuran. He's one of our swim instructors. Leila is a a lifeguard, but she's new to the swim lesson team. And then Susie,
you'll see her this month on the aquatics marketing that we go out every week um with water safety tips. So, check in for our social media page. Very good. Well, thank you guys for being here. I know you probably have other places to be this evening, but thank you
so much for being here and thank you for all you do. I do we all see you at the pool, so I hope you don't ever have to save one of us, but uh we do see you. So, thank you for everything you do. [Applause] I'm I'm going to be behind you.
All right, let me squeeze in there if I can. There we go. How's that? That look good. Good to see you. Good to see you. Thank you guys. week. Question came up of why do I have a flower on the day? That's in honor of
police week. So, okay, that's the last proclamation. Now we have a board appointment uh where there's one vacancy on the Hillsboro River Technical Advisory Committee. Um we have one application from David Glicksburg. Um I
met Mr. Glicksburg at Riverjam. He said he was going to try to be here but he wasn't sure and I don't see him here. So, um, is there a motion to approve the appointment of David Glicksburg as a member of the Hillsboro River Technical Advisory Committee for a term extending
from May 6, 2025 until May 6, 2029? So moved. Who made the motion? I give it to Vice Mayor Schiser made a motion. Is there a second? I'll second. Second by Council Member Kravitz. All any discussion? All those in favor say
I. I opposed. No, Mr. Wixsburg is appointed. Thank you for your service. Uh, has everybody had an opportunity to review the meeting of our April 15th city council meeting? And if so, is there a motion to approve the minutes? Moved. Second. Motion by council member
Kravitz, seconded by Vice Mayor Schistler. Any corrections to the minutes? If not, all those in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. No. Minutes are adopted. Next. Persons wishing to be heard on items not listed on the agenda or items on the consent
agenda. There are requests to speak forms in the back of the room for those of you who wish to sign up to speak. We currently have two request to speak. Think they're both for this section. They are um we have a 30 minute time limit for this portion of the meeting. I
only have two people signed up. That's six minutes. So, we won't have a problem with that. We do ask that you come to the podium and state your name and city of residence prior to speaking and that you uh have a threeminut time limit imposed on all comments. And so our
first request is from Mr. Lo. Uh Charles Lo from Terrace Park. First thing I want to do is thank Councilman Chambers for coming uh on April 28th to uh the li to our um writers club and
also to the comic books. The library was giving away comic books. I did go there and check Wednesday afternoon and it looked like they were pretty successful in giving I mean Wednesday morning and they were did seem to be pretty successful in giving away the comic books. So, that was good. And I hope you
enjoyed being over with with meeting our group. The second item I have tonight has to do with River Jam, but probably not a focus what you all were talking on. Much of the time I was over there, I was talking to the folks that did the
comp plan. I came up with a couple of flyers in case you all missed it. And I do want to leave them for the city because you use a QR code. This first one is has to do with the city of Temple Terrace's comprehensive plan getting an update and we need
you. Uh they have a QR code. So if you all missed this, I'll leave this so you can all get in on the QR code. They're going to begin in 2026 and they're trying to get public involvement. The other flyer has to do with Temple Terrace uh multimodule trail
study. Uh it also has a QR code. The interesting thing, the difference between the two flyers, which is a little bit hard to understand, is although one is from the TPO, is the fact that you have a chance to win a $100 grocery gift certificate for the TPO flyer and not for a comp plan, but
that's neither hither or yonder. Finally, I did want to make a few comments about the board meeting I was at yesterday uh for HART. Uh I uh I think that I made my point. Five seemed to be the number of the day being Cinco de Mayo or
5525. I also was the fifth speaker and I handed out to the board $5 bills. Now the reason I handed out $5 bills was because of the fact that they were that have to do symbolically. Government of the people, by the people, and for the
people shall not be abridged by the state legislature or the state government. As far as I'm concerned, as was stated, if you do not protest or anything like that, uh people will just assume that it's okay to do evil. As far
as I'm concerned, that's what they did. Uh I did talk to this woman named Cassandra uh over at uh sort privately. I talked to her about uh van pooling in certain areas. I talked to her about rush hour buses and weekend service. And finally,
I took the $100. They the heart can't take the money directly, but I would like to inspire people to give them heart the money indirectly. For example, I gave uh some money to some of the people that use Flamingo passes. I also gave some to the
church for the one day passes and I brought some from my neighbors in uh in the building for heart plus. Thank you. Other people will follow. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Me
Lewis. Good evening, sir. [Music] Hey, thank you everyone. Uh so I handed out two copies of a 64page proposal um to eliminate the formosin termite from our city. So this has been replicated in
four different cities uh around the world including uh New Orleans, Santiago, Chile. Uh again another uh uh application in Armstrong Park, New Orleans as well as five different city
centers across Spain. Um specifically uh speaking uh this is be by using termite bait stations um that within 90 days uh will eliminate uh the termites uh darn near entirely. A lot of the research in
that uh document that you'll see shows that termites are completely eliminated within about 12 months is what you see. Now what makes this a really cool idea for temple terrace? Well first of all we have a major formosin termite problem. All right. Second, we're in termite
season right now. If you don't believe me about our termite problem, go look at your street lamp tonight. All right. Um, but we also have two of the world's leading experts, the world's leading experts willing to help us. We have Dr. Katone out of New Orleans. She ran the
project for uh the uh control in New Orleans. She's willing to put uh her research head into uh eliminating this problem for Temple Terrace. Has already agreed as well as Dr. Thomas Chovven out of uh University of Florida who again is
a worldleading researcher. On all of the uh research documents that you will see, you will see one of those two names appearing on pretty much every study related to termites. Um so bait stations uh uh are very effective for area wide
control. Um and so what I'm proposing is that we do our own little AB test here. We select a community uh neighborhood within Temple Terrace. Uh we uh and we provide 50% of the funding, the city does to uh provide those buildings and
those structures with those bait stations. I have uh tentatively uh selected an area um uh uh uh over uh uh south of St. Augustine, east of Riverside uh Park, west of St. Glenn
Avenue. I've counted 96 structures. It's a 1.2 uh mile rad uh perimeter. Um and uh I think that we should do it for 24 months. What this would cost the city if we're covering 50% of the cost is $96,000 roughly. And that is a very uh
liberal figure. Um it's probably going to be closer to half of that is my understanding. But how we approach this is by doing public bidding uh uh which brings down the costs on everybody. um uh having it go through a public uh public bidding process. That's what was
done in New Orleans. That's what was done in Chile. Um that that's what's been replicated elsewhere. So that's my time. Oh, 10.4 days of termite eating. Wow. Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Lewis.
Mr. young. How's everybody doing today? So, I just wanted to um I set this up here. I can wait for a second to start my clock, but um I don't know if uh most of you are familiar with Mr. Jim Dent. Mr. Jim Dent was a pillar of the community. He was a
um he's one of my best friends. I met Mr. Jim Dent 30 years ago when I was 11 years old. He took me under his wing. He treated me right. He respected me and I respected him. Uh Mr. Dent was a uh Temple Terrace
um resident for many many years. He lived over here behind the club. Um and um he's he's done a lot for this community. Not only Temple Terrace, but the city of Tampa, first TE program. Um you name it, he's done it. And not only that, but the sincerity that came from
this man was like none other. Uh I put him up there with what I call the last of the Moheakans. The man was the same guy every day whenever you talked to him. He was never different. He never steered away from what he did and what he said.
And he would always stay true to what he did and what he said he was going to do. and uh very humble man, could walk into any dealership here in Tampa and buy whatever car he wanted to, but at the end of the day, he drove a 99 Honda CRV.
Okay. So, with that being said, Mr. Dent has put a lot into this. They found him last week. I got word from one of my former um co-artners friends um that they had that he had had a mass
fire attack right before the masters and uh Georgia State Patrol found him on the side of the road, passed out when he had a mass fire attack and died. He had been dead for over an hour. And uh this hat here commemorates this hat here is 27 years
old. Um there's Mr. D's name there. There's Arnold Palmer's name there. Few others, Lee Trevino, Chi-Chi Rodriguez. It's just to name a few. But if it wasn't for Mr. Dent and Mr. Rick Bradshaw and him taking me underneath their wing, I would have never been able
to meet these type of men here, be able to get the opportunity that I did playing golf at a young age. Because most guys like that, they don't want to have anything to do with a young kid. I mean, they had their own things going on. They're wanting to make money. they're wanting to play golf, you know, but he took me under his wing and he he
treated me well and uh and I'm I'm glad to call him my best friend. And just up until last week, I spoke to him. For the last 30 years, I've continued to keep in touch with him, speak to him weekly on a weekly basis, you know, and uh I have some pictures in my pocket years ago. We
didn't get a chance to have these nice little pictures. So all my memories are here. You know, 199697, you know, you didn't have a uh nice little phone where you could take pictures. So I got him to meet me up at the club. And when I got him to meet me at the club to take pictures with me and my son and my father, he was actually
there waiting on us. We were early, but he was there waiting on us. So I would like to ask the council real quick. I know time's up, but um I talked to the um club and the head pro and I would
like to see if there's something and I'll help out, you know, however I can as far as monetary wise um to commemorate Mr. Dent. I'm going to have to wrap up. Okay. So, if there's something we could do for him to maybe make a Jim Dent day and maybe a plaque or something like that, that's what I'm
asking from the council. So, I've left my email there. If you guys can correspond and collaborate with me, let me know. Well, thank you for sharing your memories, Mr. Young, and I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Okay, ladies and gentlemen, is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? Move to approve the consent agenda. Second. Motion in a second. All those in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. No nazs. Consent agenda is adopted. Next item is a resolution approving a
change order to EZ Contracting LLC for construction related to the ARPA Mabel Place and North River Hills Drive stormwater project. Our city engineer, Brian McCarthy, is here to explain. Good evening, Mr. McCarthy. Good evening, honorable mayor and city council. Brian McCarthy, your city engineer, and I'm
here this evening to seek approval for a change order to easy contracting for the ARPA, Mabel Place, and River Hills Drive stormwater improvement project. So, back in October of 2024, city council approved resolution 98-24
um to ease contracting for a little less than $1.2 million. Well, since construction started this year, there have been a number of unforeseen construction related concerns or changes that we've had to to change. Um, three of those five changes involved adjusting
the water main conflicts. For example, our record drawings um showed uh the water mane perhaps going with two 45 degree turns rather than when we what we expected out in the or excuse me, what we experienced out in the field was a 90 degree turn. So the water man wasn't
where we expected it to be. Um another change involved a design update to replace an existing storm water inlet. And the last and probably the largest change is related to unsuitable soils that we discovered underneath of the existing roadway. Since I've been here, we haven't ran
into any unsuitable soils. Um, and also to find them underneath of an existing roadway was very surprising for us. What makes this clay soil uh unsuitable is some of its soil characteristics. Um, for example, the clay is highly
plasticity, which basically means that if it uh it'll compress under pressure or change its shape under pressure. And so being underneath a road with vehicle loads, you know, there's a concern um that the the soil might change its shape or adjust a little bit and again causing some type of roadway damage or even
shifting the drainage pipe out of its alignment. Um since River Hills is one of our major local roads for us, we wanted to follow the uh standard Florida Department of Transportation construction standards and want to replace the existing poor soils that are
out there. So based upon these five changes uh that I just listed, the change order request is for 295,37541 for a new purchase order of a little less than 1.5 million or1,493,27418. This additional amount would be paid through the street
improvement fund. Um, as just a reminder, when council approved this back in October, the original $1.2 million was funded through the American Rescue Plan Act, which was uh using federal dollars. Um, so at this time, staff is recommending that city council approve
uh the change order for easy contracting. I'm available for any questions. Thank you, Mr. McCarthy. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item? Council member questions. Vice Mayor Schisler, I have three real quick ones. one the as how old were the
asbuilts on that project or were they even did it even exist? Uh the water man I want to say was when the original uh subdivision was constructed so we're probably looking at the 70s or 80s if I had to guess. Okay. But we didn't have did we have as or we did. It was just
that the water man was turning later than we expected it to turn. Um, and the natural clay was that was the clay was that natural to that location or was that brought in or do you know? I don't know. I wouldn't expect that they would have brought that soil in because again using today's standards
it's considered unsuitable unless roadway construction changed throughout you know since the 80s or 90s but um I don't have a 100% answer for you. How much how much soil is being would we take that out and put new in? That's
correct. How much any idea? Um I don't have the cubid yards for you other than it's uh probably close to 200 truckloads. A lot. Okay, cool. Thank you. That's those that's questions I had. Thank you. Other questions? Council members? Yes, Council Member Fernandez.
So, just getting back to the the soil issue is that you you stated that that is not appropriate for where it is currently located and that it probably wasn't brought in in that but we don't have any other soil like that in this
city that that so with the few water main projects and force main or sewer main um type projects any other pipe projects that we've done we haven't ran into it yet. Okay. So, when we were bidding this project out, we're basing
or at least when the uh bids are submitted and the companies are are accumulating their information to submit the bid, they don't necessarily come out and do any kind of testing. They're basing it on what they know of the conditions in the area. That's correct.
They're not doing any testing. They're basing it off of our construction plans that we designed. Okay. And since this soil is was not expected to be found in this location, this isn't something that we could have done differently in the
original bid process. Not that I know of. Okay. Um, as far as the dollar increase for the ARPA funds, we have allocated every dollar of the ARPA funds. Correct. We don't have
any uh there's nothing sitting in a reserve for change orders. That's correct. Okay. So, with this change order, um that sounds like a I mean, I'm not a construction expert. That sounds like a lot of trucks of dirt, which
means it sounds like there's an extended time to this construction project. Will that have any impact on the various ARPA deadlines that we need to meet in order to because we're going to pay this portion out of city funds, but obviously
we don't want to forego any of the um earmarked ARPA funds. There won't be any impact to the ARPA funds as we have until December of 2026 to expend those funds. So, this project should still be completed sometime this year. Okay. Within the year of 2025. Yes. Okay.
Let's see. Council member Chambers, thank you. Uh you mentioned uh the this funding would come out of the street improvement fund. Will it absorb this? Was is there enough in the fund to handle this? City manager. Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. Um there are two
items on the agenda this evening. This one and the next one, which actually will be, if the council approves it, funded through the street improvement fund. Uh after these items are are funded, there will still be a balance of about $3.5 million in that fund. um basically which is largely from the gas
tax. Um so there's sufficient capital right now to to cover these projects. Thank you. Council member Krevitz, just one quick question and then a followup. I'll bundle it together so it's easier. Um is it expensive to do a soil sample and given the surprising amount of this, do you think it makes sense to integrate
that into a standard procedure in the future? We can certainly look at adding an an additional geotech function into our design process. Yes, you got it. Thanks.
Okay, if there are no more questions, council, is there a motion? Move to approve the resolution approving a change order to Easy Contracting LLC for construction related to the ARPA Mabel Place and North River
Hills Drive storm water improvement project. Second. Motion by council member Fernandez, seconded by council member Chambers. Any discussion of the motion? All those in favor say I. I. Opposed? No. Nays. Resolution is
adopted. Thank you, Mr. McCarthy. Next item is a resolution approving a storm water pipelining project in the amount of $254,923.70 with Atlantic Pipe Services through a piggyback contract. and our public works director/photographer Jason Warrenfelds
is here to explain. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Jason Warrenfelt, your public works director. After the impact of Hurricane Selena Milton, depressions were discovered along Glenidge Avenue within four private residential properties of which the city
has an easement for stormwater conveyance. I'm here today to request your approval for a resolution authorizing the city of Temple Terrace to proceed with a storm water infrastructure improvement project. This resolution seeks approval of a proposal from Atlantic Pipe
Services in the amount of $254,923.70 for stormwater pipelining services. This project is critical to maintaining the integrity and functionality of our stormwater system, preventing further degradation and ensuring public safety environmental compliance. The contract is being
awarded as a piggyback bid using the terms and conditions of a competitive bid contract with the villages under the contract RFP24P00007. This approach allows us to leverage established pricing into the contract
terms, ensuring cost effectiveness and efficiency in the procurement. The funding for this project will come out of the street improvement fund. This was not a previously budgeted item, but the street improvement fund has sufficient surplus for this to occur. The work is being
submitted to FEMA for possible reimbursement. Um and staff uh request that the council adopt the resolution, approve the proposal from Atlanta Pike Services, and authorize the payment as outlined. And I will stand for questions. Thank you, Mr. Warren Feld. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this
item? Council member questions. Vice Mayor Sh I apologize. I coughed. What what loc where was the what was the street that this was located on? I'm sorry. It's uh Glenidge Avenue. Glenidge. Okay. Council member Fernandez. Uh can you
describe for the people who are listening uh or watching exactly how does this project improve the storm water collection or transportation? H how how will lining
the pipes actually fulfill the our quest for transporting the storm water correctly? So the the pipelining was it's a cure in place uh pipe. So it's it's a liquid material that is injected into the pipe and it is c it is
expanded and cured onto the concrete structure that's underground. So what that does is we do not have to dig in the resident's yards. Um we will cure the pipe and and expand the longevity of it being underground. So, so I guess can you describe for us
what is the problem that has caused the storm water drainage to to be an issue in this area that's on the city's easement and you know and part of our storm water system. What is the problem? So it the amount of rain that was that
the city received during the storms, the soils um as we just talked about, the soils shifted around which allows the pipes to flex. They they they move um and this creates voids in the ground under uh under the yards and those soils pass through the pipes because of the
voids and uh you know it just it allows the lawns to sink. So what we're going to do is we'll line the pipe and then we'll back fill the yards and and we'll fix the depressions. Okay. And then it this the lining of the pipes, the pro the product that you're talking about.
Um I know that this helps because we're not having to dig up everything and make it an enormous project, but what's the lifespan of this and it because I'm what I'm looking at is the cost benefit
of using this product extending the life or putting in a whole new system. which one is is more cost-effective. So if you look at the the project that the city engineer just spoke of on Mabel, the
similar size of pipe um is being used on Mabel, that project is 1.2 million. Um so if you take that plus the project that was just completed on Breger Banickburn, another 800,000. So there's $2 million worth of projects where this
pipe here could potentially cost 3/4 to a million dollars to replace go along with those. So you'd have three projects for $3 million where we're going to line this for $254,000 and save the to save the disruption. We're going to save all that construction and it's it's a quicker
process where we just put the cure in place pipe in. Thank you. Other questions? Council member Kravitz. Quick one. I remember we were discussing pipelining about a month or two ago in general and we were thinking about rolling that out across the city at um
locations where we had a suspicion that the pipe that was in place already was subject to a burst. I was just wondering if uh you might be willing to update us a little bit on where we're at with that. So this project here is different from those projects. Those projects were uh around the wastewater collection
system. Mhm. So, this is the from my understanding the first storm water pipe um that has been lined. Um it's a it's a safer alternative than to put a project together and and the time frame. Um as far as pipelining, the city engineer and myself and and I've had a conversation
with the city manager about expanding these projects. Um but again, that takes camera, that takes some planning for um it also takes some capital dollars. Um the city does not have a storm water impact fee that would offset some of this ex you know 254,000 some of this
expense. Um but with the street improvement fund we have some dollars that we can look at projects that are significantly degrading. So do we need to aortion more money toward that end or do I'm assuming that's some sort of like camerabased system that you put through the pipe to see where it needs to be
repaired or what would we be looking at? So the the uh utility department does have a camera system. We do ask them to camera our stormwater pipes. Um, but there's also a cleaning practice between those because we don't mix the two. So, we do camera them now, but it's on request. So, do you have everything you
need in order to investigate all this today? Yes. Okay. Godspeed. Thank you. Anything change? No. Okay. If there are no other questions, is there a motion? Thank you, Mr. Warren Fields. Move to approve. Move to approve
resolution um approving the proposal from Atlantic Pipe Systems in the amount of $254,923.70 for stormwater pipelining. Second. Council member Vice Mayor Schisler made a motion seconded by council member Chambers. Any discussion
of the motion? All those in favor say I. I. Opposed? No. Thank you very much. Moving on to council business. There are a couple of items. The first item of council business is the city clerk candidate selection process. Um as
you know we the application period recently closed. Uh the applicants were divided into three groups. There were those who did not meet minimum criteria, those who did meet minimum criteria and those who were
vetted for preferred qualifications. And the short list of preferred qualifi qualified candidates was given to us in numbers of five. And so two of those three of those are from Florida local and two of them are from
out of town. So we have set aside a date already to conduct these interviews. Um what we need to decide here tonight is who if any of the five finalists finalist preferred candidates we would
like to interview. So I will open that up first. My my first question about this is what is the recommendation as to how many candidates we should interview? I mean, set the pool too big. That's
that's up to us. I know the HR director has previously said three to five would be ideal. Personally, I'm concerned and looking for I don't want to get ahead of myself here, but if we bring people from out of town in, we should have a really
good reason for wanting to do that because it's going to be at our expense. Right. So, that's why I just wanted to set that perimeter. Yeah. Well, we ideally it would be three to five, but there's no
if we're just not thrilled about them. There's no reason we don't have to interview anybody. Does that answer your Yes. Okay. Council member Kravitz. First of all, I thought it was fantastic. We got over 400, I think, applicants and I think over 30
were qualified. So, I think it's a really incredible group and it just shows what kind of a draw that we have. Fantastic. Um, the only person that uh, well, there were a few actually who stood out to me, but I'm I'm very interested in hearing from Katherine Palaraya. So, that would be one one
suggestion for me. I like that she had a JD. I think that's incredibly important in that role because handling foyer and sunshine requests is so essential for city clerk. Um, so I think there's a lot to commend her. I yield the floor.
Vice Mayor, I had uh three three that I felt it was worthwhile to to interview. Um we said names the names. We need to Yeah. Lind um one one was one was not local. Linda Sadder uh Leanne Andre hope
I'm not butchering the names too much and then uh Ruth Wescowski was Weskowitz uh was like two of them for out of town. Um, I was not too much sold on the attorney. It
was we weren't we had no we we we didn't we we we weren't even certified as a city clerk, but if we get the job, we we'll seek certification. So, I thought that was a problem. But at any rate, um those are my three that I would like to
interview if at all possible. Okay, let me start. Yeah. Okay. Council member Kravitz, you mentioned one name, Palor Amaya, right? Okay, let me keep track of this. Who did you mention, Vice Mayor? Um, uh,
Seder. Okay. And Andre and Ruth, I have no idea how to say that. Yeah, I don't either, but I got I know who you're talking about, so I'll get it. Okay, Council Member Chambers, give me a
second. My tablet's not working. Borrow his list. Well, Council Member Fernandez, I'm doing the same thing. They're updating. Sorry. Give me just a second. I probably have it up like six times is
the problem. Okay. So, whoever's ready first can go. I'll uh I mean if of the five candidates, I thought that they all looked highly qualified. So, um, if I I have no problem with
interviewing five, um, is would it be possible because I I do agree bringing people in from out of town is our, um, you know, obviously it's going to be our expense. Would it be possible to
interview the local candidates and if those local candidates don't turn out to have a viable or preferred choice, we could expand the search? I I don't know. That would be a question for Mr. Nazario, but that was
going to be my suggestion as well as we have two, in my opinion, the top two qualified candidates are local. Um, that was going to be my suggestion too is to interview those two. But, um, you want to answer now or you want
to Mr. Nario? Good evening, Mayor and City Council. Um, my my opinion, I I think you should if you're going to interview um, I would I would want to interview everyone all at once. So, I think if if a concern,
it's not necessarily just if they're local, but it's just if they're available on the date that you've all set aside. So, I think if they're local, it's more likely that they're going to be available on that day. Um, if we have to coordinate um travel plans for the candidates that are outside of town, we
can certainly attempt to. Um, but it it's really up to you all to decide if if you at least want to interview that person and talk to that person directly. So my other question is um would it be viable to have a first interview with
people that are not local through a team's meeting or Zoom or or something like that? Is that would that be considered unfair if the people who were local came in person and the people who were from out of town did not come in person?
Um, usually if you do conduct a a virtual interview, this is just normal practice, at one point you would want to meet that person um, in person. So if if you did like them, you would want to eventually have them come down and meet them at one point anyway. Um, so if you're at the point where you when you
liked other candidates and you were getting ready to make a decision based off the ones who were available to attend in-person interviews, I I wouldn't recommend being in a position where you still want to now fly someone back in to at least check off that box. So,
um, whatever makes I mean, it really just comes down to I think it's easier to just determine who who you're interested um, in meeting and in conducting an interview with. Um, and then as as far as uh the the the the
city staff, we'll we'll do the best we can to to to try to coordinate that for you all. Well, well, Council Member Fernando still has the floor. I mean, I I would be interested in interviewing all five of them. I think though even though
there are people located out of town, they seem highly qualified and I don't necessarily want to restrict our applicant pool. I want to do what's want to do the best it's going to be the most
cost-effective but also give us access to the best candidate choices. I could agree with that. Okay, council member, you finished? Council member Chambers, I showed the mayor my one out. Unfortunately, my one out is one someone else particularly asked for. So, um, a
comment though to the council. I think whatever we do, we need to do the same for all the candidates at the same time. We shouldn't like interview a couple first and then unless they are all terrible, then we go out. But we shouldn't like worry if if we have to
bring people in, we we pay that fee, bring them in and and and go forward the same way because I don't think it's fair if we even do it different days, you know. So that's just my opinion. So what's your suggestion? All five. Is that what you're saying?
Well, my one's different than the one, you know, somebody particularly requested my one out. So I don't I don't know how we want to do it. If we want to do the three local, I don't think it should matter whether they're local or not. It's going to cost us a little bit more money, but if those are our uh, you
know, some we want to look at. Okay. So, I need a recommendation. A recommendation. So, I have to make the recommendation. Yes, you do. Okay. If I'm going to re make a recommendation, I'm going to recommend that we interview all five. Okay.
That's just me and someone has to second and I'm good. I second it if that's Well, we we we haven't we're not making a motion just yet. You guys are cutting me out of the process. Okay. Um give that back to I I don't have any. Who's this going to? Oh,
I I have preferences among the five, but I I'm not opposed to interview or to having them all five come in. If we can get them here, that's fine. I I uh that's that's fine. All five. We I
don't think we need a motion for that. We're just giving direction. So, um Okay, let's see if we can get them all five here. And a clarification, like other positions at this level, we're paying expenses. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Yep.
Yep. Yeah. We It will cost us to bring them in. We have two out of town. One is in Kansas. Kansas and one's in Chicago. So, the others are here. So, okay. Sounds good. All five. Thank you. Very good. Thank
you. Alrighty. Next item is a council discussion on placing items on the agenda. This was point of order on that. So in the minutes from the previous meeting, we decided to add a
presentation uh excuse me, we decided to discuss presentations, not making main motions. So it seems to me that the incorrect item is on the agenda. No, I think our discussion focused on how items are placed on the agenda. If the somebody wants to make a
presentation, how that gets placed on the agenda. No, sir. The minutes can be read if I may. Got a copy of minutes from the brief. I I don't need you to read the minutes to me. It says specifically presentations. The motion. Okay. What action would you like to happen now? This item is not gerine, so
we shouldn't discuss it. This is not the appropriate item on the agenda. You can discuss presentations, but that's not on the agenda. City attorney, I I think that the word, if I'm understanding the point of order, the that the word
items could encompass anything. And if one of those items be a presentation, I don't think that this particular agenda t this particular item in its title is misleading. So um
an item an item could include anything. So, if you want to specifically discuss placing presentations on the agenda, then I think that's encompassed in it and it's up to council then to decide if
they want to discuss that particular item at this time. Council member Kravitz, I was about to call on you to make the presentation anyway. Do you not want to do it? Uh, I'd like to address the point that the city attorney just raised. Okay. I don't want to argue over
the title of the agenda item. If you want to make a presentation, I'll recognize you and give you the floor based on the documents I received. It said that you were the presenter. Okay. Can I Yes, please. Council member Chambers. All right. So, whether however it got on here, we have an agenda item
and it's been uh it's got a cover letter. It's got a it's got a it's an agenda item. It's on our agenda and we have backup information and I don't think we have a policy that we were going to discuss whether we even
want a policy, but these are some ideas on how council members get items on an agenda. So, I'm not I'm not uncomfortable moving forward with this item, whether it was intended for presentations or not. It's an agenda
item. So, that's just my and we can just say uh you know, we we don't vote for this item to move it forward, but it's on the agenda. Council member, I don't I don't know what you want to happen here. I'm
I'm prepared to turn it over to you and let you discuss. I'm prepared to I don't know what you want us to do. Do you want us to table it again? Do what do you propose that we do? You Florida me? I'm asking you a question.
I didn't particularly care for this whole discussion. Um, it was raised last time. I thought we would gain a little bit of time to research the issues, which I of course did. And, uh, you know, as we gathered more information by email as it trundled in, uh, I noticed
for one thing that the minutes from the last time we took a 50 vote to discuss presentations and how they would be made potentially by council members. What I then subsequently received an email was a document illustrating what a main motion is, which I assume we all know
because we make them all the time. So in the context of what the research was that staff conducted and the item that was placed on the agenda, which was not the agenda item that we voted on at the previous council session, um seems like this whole thing is a little bit murky.
Um and then I also of course noticed that the incorrect version of Robert's rules of order was used. So that's the other thing. And I think it's fair to say that if we're going to have a presentation on something, it should be on the valid parliamentary authority and not on the one that isn't valid anymore. So that's another reason why I think that having this discussion today is a
little bit premature. And I don't really have any desire to have the discussion at all. So my motion would be to table it, which would take it off the agenda permanently. So I'm happy to make that motion. Everyone else wants that. I think that the previous practice that we've had where everyone just submits their agenda item by a deadline has
worked really well for what, 50 years. And not only that, we voted in February to approve these um the order of business that we're currently using. And this was revised, sorry, January 21st, 2025. So, I don't really see why we are opening this up.
If we can just submit an item and then have it on the agenda. We have cut off dates that's worked for a long time. And it says that right here in I just dig around here for another minute. Um
number eight. In any case, um it's a custom that we've Here it is. Number 5B. Any item not filed with the city manager by noon of the Wednesday proceeding may be placed in the agenda. So that seems to work fine. And otherwise, you can make a majority vote at the meeting. So we could have a
majority vote now to put this item on the agenda, but we didn't do it last time. So I yield the floor to whoever wants it. Okay. Well, let me try. Okay, hold on here a second. Let me catch up to what's going on here because I'm going to declare your motion out of
order because it's assuming facts that the whole point of the agenda item is to point of this is to determine those facts. So, I'm going to declare the motion out of order because it includes what some of us believe is a misrepresentation of the facts in that
that is not the current procedure. There's discussion. There's debate about whether that's the current procedure. That was the point of having the discussion in the first place. We can have the discussion. I'm trying to figure out what to do procedurally. We can have the discussion
despite your opinion that it's incorrect. We can still have the same discussion. We can table this to the next meeting, a date certain. We can table it and take it off the table, but that's going to go right back to what our common practice
has been in the past. So, it's going to go you're not going to get to make a presentation without council's consent. I don't know what you want to do. I I And we can have the discussion, but in order to have the discussion, I
have to open the agenda item. If I may address that. So what I just heard is that people who are not on this council have a greater right to get their presentations on the agenda than the people who are actually sitting up here at the deis because right now we
have presentations coming in on the regular and those people were not given a presentation slot by a vote of city council. So what I hear is that we're actually taking the position right now that we have less of a right to speak in our own chamber than those people do.
Okay, councel the this question the first question before us is do we want to open this agenda item and have this discussion if we do then we should have a motion to open the agenda item
council member I'm I'm going to try a motion my motion is that we do not change our uh council rules of procedure seconded I mean that takes this item out of That's my intent. Does that do it? No.
No. We still have an item on the agenda. Okay. All right. Well, then I I withdraw that motion because I'm just trying to say I don't want any changes. So, also, um, as you move forward, I just wanted to correct one point. Nobody has
a right to make any presentation. Council has an agenda for city business. If people sometimes want to make a presentation that is usually weighed through the city manager and if
it's a community partner say who wants to make a presentation generally we recognize that council's going to say okay to that and therefore they get on the agenda but when you use the word right nobody has a right to
make a presentation in front of council. Vice Mayor. Yes. To to that point, I think we need to defi I hate to do this because we're we're we're lost in the weeds, but we need to define presentation. Okay. As I see it, there's a presentation by the public. There's a
presentation by other governmental agencies. Point of order. We need to decide whether we're going to have this discussion and open the agenda item before we have the discussion. Are we going to have this discussion by opening the agenda item or are we not? That's that's the first
step. and then you can get the floor first if if you but we haven't decided to have this discussion. So I move to open the the item for discussion. Is there a second?
I'll second to have the discussion, but I don't The motion is to open the agenda item and then I'll second to open the agenda item so that we can discuss. Okay. There's a motion by Vice Mayor Schistler, seconded by Council Member Fernandez to open the
agenda item is. All those in favor say I. I. I. No. One. Nay. Okay. So, the discussion is now open for the agenda item. Vice Mayor Schistler. Okay. I I I
feel like we're getting lost in the weeds on this. We have discuss we open a presentation and in the last meeting there was some to talk about who gets to do a presentation what's presentation about and the presentations that are
made in the presentation section are done by other governmental agencies other outside agencies civic groups um the Red Cross whoever and they come in and they and they they they present information so that we we know what's
going on in the area. I feel that the presentations that council members want to make is council business and it doesn't fall under the same classification. We as a as a as a body need to approve a council member's
presentation. City manager in my mind would approve an outside presentation being made. So to that extent I believe that we need to limit defi better better better define if we need to I unfortunately I hope we don't have to do
that but if if a council member wants to bring up something then as far as I can remember it's always been this is what I'd like to bring up and if the the if council's amendable to it then we do it and if not then it doesn't happen and that's the way I would like to see it
moving forward. Council member Fernandez. So my thought is that this is council business. This is the time when council brings something up and says I would like to discuss this. I would like to know if we can discuss this at a future meeting. I would like to know what council thinks
of this. This is these are my thoughts. I think that if we have a situation where it impacts the city as a whole and we want to bring information and we are a council person who wants to bring information in front of the rest of the council then we bring it up at council
business and the council says I think that that's good information we should bring that information in a form of a presentation. If we are in a situation where as a council person I feel that I wasn't clear enough at a previous
meeting or uh there was discussion that somehow I didn't think that my words were accurately characterized, I would just bring that up at council business and say this is this is what I intended by my words or this is why I said what I
said. I don't I don't think that that needs to be an agenda item that would come up in council business. So, I don't believe that we should make any changes in the methodology that we are currently using and the rules we're adhering to, which is if a council member wants
something in front of this body, then the council member brings it up at council business and the council discusses it. That's about my feelings. Council member Kravitz, anything? I just have one brief comment. If we set up a system where you
need a three to five uh 3 to2 vote just in order to present something or say something, that is incredibly chilling for minority rights. And sometimes you'll have situations where one person wants to present or say something or two people do. And if you have a situation where the majority can always cut off the right of the majority, the minority
to speak, that is absolutely contravening Robert's rules of order as I understand them, which says that all members of an assembly have a right to express their thought and that the debate is not concluded until everyone has said what they want to say. And also it is of course also not
what free speech is about. And words never hurt anyone. Words are thought. They are not action and of course they can be hurtful. But in a body like this which is de based on the use of the word where we all talk to each other to try
and come up with solutions to say that any three people should be able to shut down any other two people at any time. Um I find that very problematic. And of course you could have a motion to close debate. Um, but you cannot preempt
someone's right to express their thought on something. So that's where I'm at on this. And I also think that the way that it's been done for 50, 60 years where you have a cut off date and this is the practice that has been applied and I
have evidence from many agendas where it says due by XYZ. You submit it, it goes on the agenda. um that is also part of Robert's rules of order. It says that custom has force of uh law in Robert's rules of order if
they're adopted by a resolution of his senate as we've done. So we've adopted Robert's rules of order as law through this uh resolution here that's laying around somewhere and Robert's rules of order say if you have had a custom of doing something a particular way then
that is how the assembly does it and they need to have a vote to change it. So, I know that's what we're all discussing, but I would really caution about saying three people can shut other two people down whenever they would like. Um, and just going back and looking at the genesis of this, it was never in question that people up here
could say what they want to say. The question that led to this whole discussion, unbelievably to me, is can I use a PowerPoint while I'm speaking? That is the issue. That is the original gangster question that we're talking about up here.
Um, and from there we're now talking about what is a main motion? Should we change our rules of business? Um, it's an aid to speech. I could come with a little paper flip chart, I suppose, but not use
a PowerPoint. And if that is the sacrifice that everyone up here has to make so that we don't cut off minority rights to speak, if someone wants to talk about an unpopular topic, then I'm fine with that. So, I'm I'm with everyone else so far. Let's just keep it the way it was. I didn't want this
discussion. I didn't start this discussion. It came from the city manager. So, here we are. And I'll finish it with a motion to table. So, I motioned to table this topic. No, wait. I didn't get to discuss anything yet. I get a chance to speak. Absolutely. You do. Okay. You So, are you done? I'll
withdraw my motion to table. You can have the floor. Absolutely. Okay. So, let me reframe let me frame the question here a little bit. Chapter 15's of Robert rules gives the chair responsibility to interpret and apply
the order of business and to decide that subject to appeal by a member of the body and overturned by the body. So after um wide consultation and some research of my own, it is this chair's
decision that any council member may bring up any new topic for discussion during council business or new business. That has been the practice for all of history as far as I know. I don't know. Any council member can bring
up any new business or topic that they want to talk about during council business or new business without previous being on the agenda without anything. You can you can have it in your mind. You can have it you can bring it up without and the majority cannot stop that. Nobody can stop that as long
as it's not a violation of some section of the rules. But um so after wide consultation and some research, it is this chair's opinion that a council member may bring stuff up. Presentations are different under
Robert's rules. And under Robert Schules, as has been our practice for many decades, and as common practice on all the other boards that I serve on with Hills County, with the state of Florida, I couldn't find one board that
doesn't have this same practice based in Robert's rules. And that is a presentation requires the consent of the body to say that they want to hear a presentation on that topic. That's different than council business
or new business. And so what distinguishes one from another? I I don't I don't know. It doesn't say in chapter 3 verse4 that what the the distinguishment is. But there's a difference between bringing something up under council discussion
and or new business and making a presentation. This has always been our practice. I agree with council member Kravitz that this has been the practice. this is not representing a change and so that is the decision of the chair. Now
the appeals process is that if somebody on this board wants to make an appeal they can do that. They make a motion of appeal. It has to receive a second and then there's discussion and a vote like any other motion would be made and uh by
a majority vote of the of the body the chair can be overruled. Um, if you think that I have misapplied the rules or misinterpreted the rules, that would be the appropriate avenue for appeal. If the body overturns the
decision of the chair on appeal, then you would next need to decide what is the next where where did I air and what is the procedure going to be. And so this is where we are. Um, unless somebody at this point, if you wanted to
make a motion of appeal, now would be the appropriate time to do so. Don't we have a motion in a second? We were under discussion. I'm sorry. Didn't we have a motion in a second? We voted. We only We did. We
opened the agenda item. So, there's no motion on the floor now. There could be. Council member Kravitz. So, I'd like to motion to table this because we have a lot of other things to get to. No, the there's no tableabling it. If the chair has rendered a decision and interpretation, if there's an appeal,
there's an appeal. There's nothing more other than an appeal to do. There's nothing to table. Um, sorry, you made a decision about how the procedures are going to be interpreted, but this agenda item is still on the table. Your decision is separate from
the agenda item. You don't resolve the agenda agenda item by your decision. Your decision fine, but let's close this item and move on. That's my suggestion. The decision has been made. The chair has made a decision per chapter 15 of Robert's rules. It will not be brought back up unless there's an appeal. We're
we're the the agenda item is now closed under your interpretation. Unless there's an appeal. Great. That's fine. I withdraw my motion. You didn't have a motion, sir. What was your motion? I motioned to table, sir. And the motion's out of order. I'm I withdrew. They only
approve. Can we not go crazy here? It's fine. We're done with the agenda item. Thank you. All right. I yield the floor to the chair. Thank you. Okie dokie. Is there anybody else who wants to make a motion of appeal? No. Okay, then. Next item of
business. Uh, next item of business is um I I have a couple of items. Yes. Go ahead, Council Member Fernandez. I don't know if if you'd want to do them in because I brought them up before in in council business for new. Okay. So, one
is I just uh wanted to ask if the city manager could give us a update on the comprehensive plan update if there's any kind of mine's time period or the surveys or or whatever new information
that we need to give out. So, the uh as actually Mr. Lo was referencing the um regional planning commission staff was at RiverJam and they have a QR code now where they're trying to gather some initial feedback from the community. Um I would imagine although I've not checked I would
imagine that's probably on the on their website. Um in fact what we can do is uh actually Mr. Paulie's there. Um we'll look tomorrow to see about actually if they if they have that information available on their website also putting it on our website. Uh we've also had
some discussions since the last meeting with the uh staff at the planning commission. Um as council will recall when the U commission representatives were here. I believe council member Fernandez you had a question about uh input additional input with the council. Uh and they have offered to meet with
the council in a workshop setting once they get some initial community feedback starting next year in 26 when they plan to start their process. Um and meet with the council in workshop setting. they offered at least once if not more times uh to satisfy whatever the council's desire might be relative to that that
input of that process. Okay. And then I just one other item and that is this the fluorite or the agriculture bill did pass. I know the last sorry I was on vacation last week but uh the last that I read was that it was on the governor's
desk. What would be the procedure if the governor does sign it? what what would be the procedure for the city in order to um remove fluoride from the water? So, um, first of all, we wouldn't be
removing fluoride from adding. Correct. So, the the, uh, the bill, you're correct, the bill was passed by both both houses. Um, not sure as of this afternoon, I don't think the governor had signed, at least. I'm not aware of that. But, um, what I have recommended to um u I'm thinking I'm recommending to
the council is we are down to the very last supply of our fluoride chemical as it is. Uh if council is comfortable with this, what what I would suggest is uh the law itself would go into effect July 1 pending the governor's signature first. Obviously, uh once the governor
signs, let's say the governor signs tomorrow, uh we would not plan to order any new fluoride. Uh we would just let the current supply run its course. Uh it will probably be gone uh in terms of being expended in the system uh well before July 1 at this point. uh based
upon what we have. If you're comfortable with that, that's the direction we'd proceed. Oh, well, that's what we discussed before. I don't know that we ever formally adopted a a vote. I mean, it's No, I just wondered what if there was any action that this body would need to
take. I know he hasn't signed it yet. Council, is that still our wishes that we just let it run out? Yes. Yes. Okay, that's that's all I have. Okay. Council member Chambers, did you have uh It's board reports. Sorry. board reports. Okay. Um, council
business. I I had two pieces of old business. They're very old. Um, I'll wait till Mr. Bay is done. Way back before your time, I had brought up an issue with I know people are going to laugh. Grease traps and our grease trap ordinance. Um, not a whole
lot I haven't heard a whole lot about that in quite a while. And I don't want not not tonight, but if if you could put that on your huge list of stuff that we could maybe get a report on that someday. Um, as well as the 56 and
Bullard intersection um pipes that are bent and twisted and the the storm water and the waste, not not storm water, the wastewater. There was a project that we initiated many many many years ago. I I don't know that
it's completed. Um, it might be, but I'm not sure. Jay is looking at me. I may just ask for clarification. You said 56 in Bullard. Were you referencing 56 in River Hills South? No, 56 in Bullard. 56 in Bullard. Yeah, it was an INI project that was uh being done and there was
some significant issues with it. Um, but any I just wanted to to put that on your radar. We'll uh we'll look into both of those. I know we have a grease trap program that was started actually restarted uh a year or so ago, but we'll bring you back a report on make sure that we're getting there. Okay. Okay.
I'm good. Council member Kvitz. So, we're in new business. Um just to We're still in council business. Okay. Um I just have a few comments here. I'm work through them and then I'll yield the floor expeditiously. So, uh when it comes to Riverside Park, I wanted to float the idea just for discussion.
Please let me know what you think. Um, I talked about this with the city manager previously about where we might position the parking at Riverside Park. So, I know the current plan is that it will go in the main park itself and I just wanted to put out there it could make
sense to put it on Springdale Place. You first of all won't be impacting traffic going down River Hills Drive and on top of that that land right along that road to the east of the retention pond is not core to the park. And so it makes more
sense to me personally to sacrifice that for parking than it would to build the parking directly in the park itself. Just wanted to put that out there as a as a possibility. Next item is on um code enforcement. Um so I discovered in my discussions last week, the new hire
that's coming in to replace Mr. Baron um is going to be tasked with developing a system of metrics. So I wanted to ask generally speaking if there is a budget item for software for that system of metrics or if we need to create a budget item so that we make sure that that money is available when the time comes.
Third item is about reforestation. So I know we're at 528 trees planted after Hurricane Milton with about 15,000 estimated losses of trees. and you know every week every two weeks or so I'll I'll try and figure out how many trees been planted and the
number seems to be moving up incredibly slowly. Um I thought the golf course right away was a really good option in terms of reforest reforestation for the city and I was thinking how can we use our resources to tackle that issue. So, I wanted to see if there's any stomach
among us to use funding from the tree fund to have infrastructure in place in our public rightway along the golf course. If we identify areas that don't have trees in them right now where we can build out infrastructure where we can sustain those plantings, maybe we can tap into the irrigation system that they're using at the golf course. Um,
just another thought. And finally, um, when it comes to downtown events, um, Council Member Fernandez, I was thinking about all the great ideas that you've been bringing the last several weeks about having some kind of an event down there or building out that space to be sort of multi-purpose. Um, we have about
100,000, I believe, in the Centennial budget, possibly as much as 160,000. I'm still a little bit unclear about how much is actually in there. Um, but perhaps we could siphon off a little bit of that and use that to do sort of a a trial balloon event downtown in the uh
two one and a half acre 2acre space down there right across from Wind Dixie. And um so those are those are four thoughts. I yield the floor to whoever would like it. Other council business. I have one one quick thing. I'll remind the
council. I don't know, a couple months ago, I asked the council for permission for me to update to kind of take a look at the various boards that we have and the rules because they're they don't always line up. So, I've done that. Um,
but in the process of doing that, I think that what's occurred to me in talking to deputy city attorney and the city clerk is that I think the appropriate way to deal with this would be the creation of an a handbook that we give to board members. The handbook
would be um the first part of the handbook would be general rules of conduct and expectations of the city for all the boards. And then section two would be the the unique board that they are appointed to what the roles and
responsibilities that that might be unique to that particular board code board or BOA or something like that. So that's the direction that I'd like to take as long as you're okay with that. But in order to do that, I'd like to pump the brakes a little bit because we're about to get a new city clerk and
a new city attorney. And I think that those are the two key people to be involved in the development of this handbook. And so I just wanted to give you an update and make sure that I'm still tracking along the direction that you wanted this to track along. But I
think it might be a good idea. We're going to name a new city clerk and within the next few months a new city attorney. We're going to have two new people on board. So question. Yes. Council member. Um can can we just so for this for this process uh because one
of the things that I would like included in this handbook would be the original or or whatever the mission statement or the purpose is in effect right now. May not maybe not the original maybe they've changed it since then but the in
addition to the rules of how that board operates maybe a little background of the purpose the mission statement etc. So that so I I'm I'm completely in favor of this. The process though when when
the time comes when we have a new city attorney and we have a new city clerk, is that going to be something that they're going to collaborate and bring a draft to city council? Mhm. Okay. And then we will say Yeah. No, it
would the product would have to be approved by council. wouldn't be anything to I just I'm not asking are we going to be providing the draft and then no that's what I I don't want to do that's why I think it's wise to wait till the new people are involved and
there may be some associated rule changes to some of the boards at the same time but this week we could kind of do this as one holistic project chance to clean it up. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. Okay. Council member Craig additional comments. Sorry about this. I forgot
earlier. Um, we have received one additional flag submission which is very beautiful. Um, and uh, I emailed Okay. Can we finish with this first and then I'll call on you because we're still on one this. So, we're good with the board thing. Okay. Council member Kravitz,
back to the flag. Yeah. Um, so I emailed Maria Rodriguez and I suggested that she maybe do a little bit more promotion. So, we talked about that previously in February. there was a little bit of friction, but um ultimately uh it's been exclusively reliant on me
reaching out to people uh the marketing effort and uh I'd love to have a little more support on that. I think that we'd reach a broader audience if uh we use more city resources to reach a broader spectrum of people. For example, I don't
send out mail pieces. Um I don't text message people and I don't use social media. So, we're missing a whole group of people there who might be interested in doing the flags. Um, we've also reached out to everyone who previously submitted, all 22, and we've received, I
think, three or four replies. So, as of right now, we have one submission that fully complies with the NAVA guidelines, several submissions, three or four that don't, and um I think it would be great to do a push going into the next 4 to 8
weeks. So, city manager, are we able to provide? Yes. Miss Yes, sir. Yeah, if the council wants assisted, absolutely. Yeah, we'll we'll move forward. Um, social media, we I don't
Just for clarification, you mentioned direct mail. I wasn't planning on We don't really do direct mail. Uh, but we could do social media, put it on the website if that would be satisfactory to you, Council Member Kravitz. Yeah, of course. Thank you. Anything else? Take any help I can get. Thank you very much. No, that's all. I
yield the floor. Okay. Council discussion. That's all I have currently. Any other carryover council business? Okay. Moving on to new business. Discussion regarding a city attorney succession plan. Uh I think all of you know that the city attorney is retiring
after many years of service and uh she's looking more peaceful every day. And so I think your final day of work is July 10th. Is that correct? And so, um, as a body, we need to decide what we want to
do here. Whether we want to go out, uh, in a process like we are with the city clerk or what would be my preference is that you empower me to offer the job to the deputy city attorney and begin negotiations with him. But that's just
my view. But we as a body need to figure out what we want to do because if we're going to whatever we're going to do, we need to kind of start. And so, Vice Mayor, to your point, I'm all in favor of uh empowering you to negotiate with
the with the deputy uh city attorney. I'm all in favor of growing our own, but with the privilege that we look to backfill so that we don't have any any uh back fill in that position so that we have the the the same uh depth that we
that we currently enjoy now. Okay. Second. Well, that's not really a motion you have. I I've got a couple of minutes to get this right. You want to say ditto or is that ditto? Okay, council member Fernandez.
I Yes, I can live with that. I have been a little bit skeptical of in of an in-house attorney and not a larger firm just that and I I I know that discussion
has been had in the past but um I would like us to just have that discussion in a in the public setting so that people know that the the reason why the city has chosen an in-house House Council
versus a an outside firm. Um, but I don't I I'm not against negotiating with our current deputy city attorney.
Okay. Um, so I'd be interested. I mean, you were been on the council previously, so in my mind anyway, just my opinion, there were some very good reasons why we abandoned that model and went to in-house counsel. and I think it's worked very very successfully. So I'm
just curious would like to understand what you think the perceived advantages of going back would be. Well, it's not so much that I I there were pros and cons to both and it's not so much that I think what that we should go back to that, but I think
that it's important to have the discussion so that people know why we chose to leave that model and go to an in-house attorney model. And the reason the the advantages of
having one of those large firms is that they had an expert in every area that the city used. So for example, they had somebody who sat here and they were the expert in city law that and to advise
the council, but then when we needed a real estate purchase, they had an expert in real estate or if we had a contract negotiation, they had an expert in contract negotiation. So there was always within that firm, we didn't have
to go outside of that firm. it was more expensive because of the rates that you're going to pay. And now and so then the question becomes well we haven't we have in-house counsel and we do still need to go to outside council for
periodic u instances that come up in front of the council maybe a purchase of I don't know development agreement or I I don't really know the exact examples to give you but so then we h we're paying for the in-house council but we do still
have to use the external council at times s is that more cost effective versus just having a full external council. So that's the only thing I just want to I'm not opposed to having an internal council. I just want to make sure that
we have the discussion so that people know that we've weighed the pros and cons and decided that in-house council is the better choice. Council member Chambers, I'm not going to ditto that one.
Um, we've had this discussion years ago and I wasn't I was working but I wasn't on council and those I those came up and they were legitimate concerns and they still are. But it has clearly worked having a in-house counsel. I'm not
willing to have a debate or a discussion on it just to rehash it unless we have an issue with what's going on now and I don't. So that's my opinion on it. Well, I'm not asking for a debate. I'm just saying let's lay out why we so that people know why we've made the choice
we've made. But we made this decision 10 years ago. I don't know why we have to open this up either because now is the time when we're discussing are we going to have a new in-house council or are we No, that's not the question before us. The question before us is are we going to go out and and recruit somebody or
are we going to offer it to the second and that's the question. It's not whether we're going to go back to the old model. That's not the question. I don't know why we would want to have that. I mean, unless you want to have if that's a legitimate
it is a concern I have. If if you're proposing that that is what we do, then that's a discussion that we have have to have. But if we're just doing it for academic reasons, then that's the wrong what I'm the reason I'm bringing it up is because there are people in the
public that have come to me and suggested that we do return to that model. And that's the reason I just want to be able to state at this venue why it is not advisable to return to that model. Why this model has been a better
cost effective measure and model for the city than having the external even though the external law firm had an expert at at every different aspect of law that the
city may have used. why this is a better model. And the reason is people are asking now because we're at a transition point. That's all. I I it's not a debate. I mean, I'm not interested in debating. I just want to state it. Council member Kervitz. So, I think we
need both because I think the city could really benefit from more legal advice from what I've seen. And I think that we have a situation where a lot of the routine everyday things can certainly be handled in-house, but I also think that we're dealing with multi-million dollar transactions on the regular basis. All
of which have a lot of complexity and nuance. And having outside council to bring in to look at those with an appropriate budget that we then set aside in addition to whatever in-house budget we have would really, really help us. And I also think to the other points
raised, I'm not strongly opinionated about who ultimately gets the job, but I definitely think given that we got 400 applicants for the city clerk and including JDs who applied, we owe it to everyone to have a transparent process, including the deputy attorney, because I think that giving him the job without
having him go through the process of competing with whoever else might apply, is also a little bit unfair. So, I think that we owe it to everyone to have a fully transparent, open process where everyone can apply. And I'm sure that the deputy attorney will definitely have a leg up just because everyone knows
him. But I think that it's the way to go to use all the legal resources that we need to address the issues that we're up against, whether they're in-house or out outside of the city. And finding the people who know best is really important. And believe me, no lawyer is
an expert in every area of law. And the variety of law that we deal with on a day-to-day basis here is is intense. and multifaceted and there is a lot of risk and a lot of nuance that needs to be captured or we make mistakes. So that's
where I'm at on this commissioner. I have absolutely no appetite to go to an outside agent, outside law firm. Um I believe that prior to my being on council, I know what it was like to try to deal
with the outside counsel even as as a as a as a a resident constituent. Um, it was very difficult. Um, I like having the in-house counsel and uh, our in-house council is wise enough and has been wise enough to know when they need help and when they don't need help
necessarily. So, I'm I'm I really don't see the need to open it up to uh uh that discussion again. I I think that that we we've been we've been very fortunate proven themselves time and time again to be the best effective methodology for the city.
So neither am I interested in having this Wait a minute. I got the floor now. I know. I just I'm not I Well, you brought it up. I You You can't. So, okay. My two cents on this is I have no appetite for going back either. I was
on council when uh Mayor Chalora, I think, was the author of this idea, and I think it was probably one of the best ideas he had. Um, he had good ideas, but I think this was a tremendous idea. Um, and this is no dig on Mark Connelly from
Shoemaker Loop, who was our assigned attorney. He's a great attorney. It wasn't anything at all wrong with Mark, but we realized a few there were goals that we had, specific reasons we wanted to go to in-house, and it's been wildly successful. Number one is we wanted to
create an environment where the directors and staff had easy access to the attorneys and they didn't have to worry about the meter running every time you called. Right? When we had $300 an hour meter running when they pick up the phone in 15minute increments, you don't
want to call them unless you really have a specific rate. You want to just bounce this around the lawyer. You don't want to call and pay $300 an hour to do that. two is that model. There's absolutely zero ability for them to be proactive.
When we had outside counsel, as good as he was, I I mean, I I would hire Mark as a city attorney. Wasn't a question of his legal prowess, but when he's a contract lawyer, he can't do anything proactively. We had a huge backlog of
leans on old code cases, on old utility bills. We had hundreds of thousands of dollars of outstanding leans that sat there for years and years and years and years and years. There was no way he could proposed to us that he go through these and see if he can resolve them
because it looks like he's feathering his own nest. $300 an hour. Yeah, I want to go through these old cases. No, we're not paying you thousands of dollars to go through this stuff to see if he can resolve it. Since Miss Shashon has been here, she has cleaned up hundreds of
thousands of dollars in old leans. Our leans list now is is minuscule. She's brought in tens of thousands of dollars, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars in lean resolutions for cases that we never got before under the old model and
we never would have gotten. I I'm a little You're right. Not every attorney has every um certainly that is true, but I think we're undervaluing the experience of our two attorneys. They have decades of city
attorney experience locally. Decades. They they're very soughtafter attorneys. They have navigated us through several thorny arbitration cases in HR that would have cost us tens of thousands of dollars. And Mr. Shonne has
done it. I mean, some of these things have taken her months. It's a good thing we had the deputy city attorney here because she was locked up doing arbitrations. We have seen um the the quasi judicial board presentations that our deputy city attorney has done. He's
educated the BOA, the code board on the public meeting laws and all that and and done far more than what contract attorney could do. So, I I would be happy to meet with any member of the public who thinks that we would benefit
from going back because I could go on all night about why we don't want to go back. Um, which you just did exactly what I wanted us to do. I'm not proposing that we return to that model. Okay. I'm proposing that we explain to
the public why we don't return. Why did you do that? I said I think I said that. So you that was exactly what I was asking this board to do. Okay. So the question before the board is do we want
to offer the job to the deputy city attorney in which case we need to negotiate a contract or do we want to advertise the position and solicit responses? That's the question. Do you need a motion or do Well, we will need a
motion, but I I if there's discussion, we can have discussion before the motion or after. Either one. I made I've said my piece on it. Well, we make a motion. And if you do we move to authorize the mayor to uh enter into discussions with the deputy city attorney to uh um assume
the role of the uh city attorney upon M. Shashon's uh retirement and to backfill the uh uh deputy position in due course. Second. Motion. Second. Discussion of the motion. Council member Kravitz. I
can only reiterate what I said before. I think we got 400 applicants for the city clerk position. I think it's important to have a transparent process. Even if we end up giving it to the deputy attorney, I think it is really important for everyone to see that we considered
everyone fairly, that we got an accurate assessment of who else could be a good candidate, and that we made a decision based on the inputs that we were receiving. So, my strong urging is that we apply the same process that we did for the city clerk to the city
attorney's office. And on the other topic, I think we need more attorneys at the city because the complexity of the legal stuff that we're dealing with is high. There's a lot of it. It's constant. We need people inhouse and we need people out of house
in order to address all these things adequately. So, I hope I can persuade someone about this. If not, that's okay. I'll be one for them. But I think we need a transparent process where we look at all the talent. We got hundreds of applicants for the other role. It's very
much in demand for people to come here. And I think it's essential that we go through a process where we're really evaluating what are our needs, who can best meet them, and not just go with who's in front of us. Not that we can not do that in the end, but I think we owe it to everyone to at least consider
what else is out there and make a decision based on a process and not just a feeling. So I yield the floor. Other discussion? If not, all those in favor of the motion say I. I. Opposed. One. Nay. Thank you. Um, there is the issue I
guess we I never got to this in the discussion part, the issue of residency. Um, there is no city rule that requires the city clerk or the city attorney to be a resident of the city. That rule applies to the city manager
and the charter. So, um, if somebody has a mind to make a motion that that be a requirement and but a new city rule or a requirement, it would be a good time to make that rule now.
Okay. All righty. Vice Mayor, do you had a board report? Yeah. And you have a board. Okay. Vice Mayor. No, you're first. Um, it's it's been a while since we've had any kind of heart updates and uh just wanted to give everybody a brief update. Yesterday um we were successful in
bringing forth charter reviews. There were three three charter um issues were brought up to the heart board of directors. Um and they were all approved. Um one dealing with composition of the board, one dealing
with uh activities or requirements of of the members of the board and one dealing with a uh advorm increase for the funding of HART. Um these all three of these will have to be brought forward to city of Temple Terrace, City of Tampa,
BOC Board of County Commissioners twice before it can the only one that has to go into referendum is the tax increase. Um so that'll have to go before the BOCC two times for approval. Um there's going to be headwinds, but I think it's uh uh
something that's going to have to be done. Um, I'll be the board has to the I'm sorry, the heart board has to approve the verbiage because there were some slight changes yesterday, but that should be three unanimous approvals at the next next
board meeting next month at which point we'll be setting up we're requesting a time to be brought before this council um at a later date probably June July time end of June early July time frame but uh so that it could become an agenda
item. Um, we by charter have to approve it. So, and we've been members of we've been members of that that uh uh group since 1979. The last charter review was done in I think it was like 82 or 83. So
it's coming down the pike and uh it'll happen Temple terrace will be first then Tampa then to BOCC twice for for inclusion on the referendum in hopefully 2026. So I know it's impossible to predict a date at this time but there is a council
meeting that I'm going to miss in August. Oh, I'll make sure that everybody if if we're going to discuss a charter revision that's going to raise potentially the millage rate on us, I don't want to miss that meeting. So, understood. Understood. Um, okay.
I'll make sure everybody's here. Okay, good. Anything else? Nope, that's it. Any You had a board report, Council Member Chamber. Um, school improvement task force. That's a new board that I'm uh new board to me uh that I'm uh liaison to. In the last couple months,
they've been going over uh all the grants and uh they'll be coming to you with some uh recommendations for a new mission statement or uh stuff that hadn't been done in a while. They've worked extremely hard and I've been very impressed with this group. Thank you. All the other boards, too. Um also, if
anybody's noticed in the hallway, the art gallery in the hallway has new art. So, that is a two-month display from our local artist, Cherry Claren. So, uh it's up there. Please look at it out there in TV land. Please come to city hall and look at the art. You can avoid all the
offices if you want, but just come into the come come into the art and see it. It's it's absolutely beautiful. That's it, sir. Thank you, council member. Any other new business or board reports? Vice Mayor, did you have any plans on talking about Saturday before the meeting was over? No, you can you can I
just want to make sure go right ahead. Absolute outstanding weekend. Um, everybody, the public works, leisure services, the police, the fire service, um, the city, the city, just the whole
city was um, well represented by by you guys. You guys did a fantastic job. I heard I heard one complaint and that was somebody walk up a hill and it was not ADA compliant. Oh well, you know, be careful of this. But uh um it was it was great and even the weather
cooperated. It was hot but there was a breeze. So just it was just outstanding. Outstanding. Thank you. It was and all the organizations that set up their booths, everybody. It was terrific. It was we're good. Other new business or
board reports? If not, city manager report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. Um, just wanted to highlight for the public that we in the backup this evening there are the quarterly reports for the fiscal year budget goals and the ARPER projects. Happy to stand for questions. Council members, any
questions on the city manager's quarterly report? Now, thank you. Very good. That's all I have. Nothing else. City attorney's report. Yes. Um, as you mentioned earlier about lean reductions, we have a lean reduction report this evening and I'm
going to call on the deputy city attorney, Mr. Mueller, to provide the details of that. Good evening, Mr. Good evening, mayor, council. Um, bringing this to you because this this particular lean reduction has a couple of different dimensions to it. Uh the uh property is
512 Caroline Street and the case was heard by the code enforcement board back in June of 2022 and the structure there was severely deteriorated and the property itself was stacked with lots of used windows and other debris and the
code board found uh that the property owners were in violation and issued a $75 a day fine that would acrue until those violations were corrected. There was no uh progress toward correcting them. So the city uh made the decision
to take uh that this matter to court and uh one uh so in July of 2024 we did take it to court and within a month the property owner sold that property. So the city entered into a compliance agreement with the new owner. The
compliance agreement says um that we understand you are taking you know going to be buying this property. you understand there's a code enforcement lean on here and um you're going to be taking the property with the lean on it. However, if you correct all these
violations by a certain time, um we would, you know, reduce the lean to such a time to to such an amount. So, the new property owners demolished most of that structure, left up the walls because they're going to rebuild, and they removed all the windows and the debris
from the property. the code enforcement department went ahead and uh considered those uh violations corrected. At that time, the fines had accred over $60,000, but pursuant to that compliance agreement, uh the city has received
$5,682.50 as settlement. Is that property up for sale now or is it I do not believe that it is. Okay. All right. I I there was interest in selling it I think again but uh my last uh discussion with the present property owner was he was not going to sell it.
Okay. Good. Thank you Mr. Miller. Mr. S. That's all I have this evening. Very good. Is there other business council members? I have one other thing. Yes. Council member. Can I ask uh Miss Cabera to get my tablet before you leave, please? Thank
you. Other business. If not, we will stand adjourned. [Music] Heat. [Music]
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