Uh good morning everybody. Thank you for coming out on this uh beautiful Temple Terrace morning. Wish it could be a little sunnier. Um but it is beautiful morning to be out here for the celebration of the opening of our second ADA accessible field for the Body Baseball League. Uh this is a tremendous
accomplishment and it couldn't have happened without the efforts of so many different people uh who were so instrumental in in in getting this field built. Uh you know Russ over Buckling and and the passion and the dedication that he has for for this program and for
this league. Uh Dennis Mueller with a league of their own. Uh these two gentlemen put so much time and so much effort into these programs and the outcome is so special. Um and and it's so heartwarming and for those of you I'm sure everybody here has come out and
seen one of these games, but it is really special and it is it is really a a great thing to come out and watch. Uh none of this is possible without without the help of so many people who truly believe in this program. Uh when the first field was built uh it was built
with uh appropriation from the Florida State Legislature and matching monies from Hillsboro County. Uh the second field was built uh with funds from City of Temple Terrace and a great deal of additional funding from Hillsboro County. Um the two gentlemen to my left
truly believe in what we do out here. The mayor of Temple Terrace, Andy Ross, and Hillsboro County Commissioner Kenneth Hagen, uh truly believe in what we do out here and are willing to put the monies and the funding in place to do this. uh Commissioner Hagen has been
a true champ champion to this program uh and has been instrumental in securing the funding that we've been able to get from the county in order to make these things happen. And that is why his name is on this field and I'm truly honored to be with these two gentlemen here today. Um I'm not going to talk anymore. I'm going to turn it over to our mayor
Andy Wasper a few times. Well, thank you Carl and uh good morning to everybody. It's great to see you. Uh thanks for coming out on a chilly morning. And so, um, I'm really excited about this addition of this field and I'm really very excited that that Buddy Baseball calls Temple Terrace home and we are
thrilled to have uh this organization in our city. I want to give a big shout out to Commissioner, County Commissioner Ken Hagen. Uh, this field would not be here, that field probably would not be here either if it were not for the efforts of of Commissioner Hagen. So, let's give
Ken a big round of applause. So, I just wanted to comment um to to you guys. You know, we live in a very special place and and I obviously I'm referring to Temple Terrace. It's a really unique city, but this region is very special. And if if you've never lived anywhere else, you don't realize
exactly how special this is. We're standing on property that's owned by the school board. And this is a collaborative effort between the city, as Carl mentioned, the city, the county commission, and the school district for letting us uh be here, for having us
here, and the private organization. So, all these people work together uh really kind of seamlessly to make stuff like this happen. And this doesn't happen everywhere, folks. This really doesn't happen. A lot of times, you can't get um you can't get one government to do
anything, much less get get, you know. Um, so really this is a very special and unique place. Um, I'm proud to be your mayor. I'm happy to to host this here and we are thrilled to have this in our community. Thank you. And I'll give you to uh Commissioner Ken Hagen. Well,
thank you, Mayor. And one thing I'll say about what the mayor just stated is I I've been in office a long time and he's dead on that the spirit of cooperation and collaboration has never been stronger between all the governments here in uh Tampa Bay. So, we are very fortunate in that regard. But I'm going
to keep my my remarks very brief cuz I know we're on a time crunch. But I want uh you to know that I am profoundly uh honored uh to be associated with Buddy Baseball. About six or seven years ago, a good friend of mine uh Lewis Betts
said that um I should check out Buddy Baseball. He said it's in your district. Being a parks and wreck and youth sports guy, he said, "I think you'll like it. You should check it out." So, a couple of weekends later, I popped in uh unannounced and I was incredibly moved.
I was blown away by the joy and excitement of the athletes, of the buddies, and really everyone involved, the family, the fans. It wasn't a game, it was an event and an experience. And so that year, I secured uh funding to
help support the Dave Wills Field. And then a couple years later, I learned of the goal of a second field and I wanted to do everything that I could uh to make it a reality. So, thank you, Mayor Ross. Uh thank you, city manager Carlos Baya.
And and Carl, thank you um for this incredible honor and thank each and every one of you uh for supporting Buddy Baseball. Uh you have a lifelong supporter here. And if I can ever do anything to help support Buddy Baseball
and to help grow Buddy Baseball so more kids can have an opportunity to play ball and have fun, I'm all in. So, thank you very much. And um wait, if you come out on this field is extremely nice. Thank you, Ken. He did very well. That was perfect.
Everything's dead right there. I want to thank you a little bit for uh I I need some notes. I'm not as good as these folks here, but uh let me try this. I want to thank you all for being here today. It's a very special moment with Buddy Baseball. We're incredibly grateful to the city of Temple Terrace in Hillsboro County for funding this
beautiful new synthetic turf field. You know, your their continued support means more to our players and our families than they would ever know. A special thank you to Carl Langfeld for his hard work and his leadership on this project. In fact, it was Carl's idea to build the very first field six years ago, and we're standing on the next chapter of
his vision. As the league continues to grow, this new field allows all of our players, especially those with mobility challenges, to play safely and confidently on one of our one of these two beautiful fields without scheduling conflicts. That was the biggest problem. People were going from here to there, but now we won't have any problems. All
the kids with wheelchairs or walkers can play on any surf turf field. It's a big game changer for us. I can't believe it. We are beginning our 18th year of Buddy Baseball. Uh we are so thank Yeah. 18. I was 22 when I first started. Uh we're
so grateful for the city's partnership and support and we look forward to another great season with all the fun, friendship, and comrade that'll bring. Thank you all for coming. One more thing. >> Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. How's everybody? I hope you had a great holiday and a happy new year. Welcome to
2026. I I in my mind, I can't fathom that it's 2026. I'm still thinking it's like 2005. I don't know. But, uh, and my wife says in my life it it is still 2005. So, so, uh, welcome to the January 6th meeting of the Temple Terrace City
Council. It's nice to see everybody. I'd like to remind everybody to please silence your electronic devices. And if you would please stand and join me in the invocation and the pledge. Lord, as we enter into the new year, we thank you for your many blessings during 2025. We ask for your continued
blessings and guidance as we continue our work in 2026. We pray especially for the people in Venezuela and their family members living here in our country. Grant them peace, freedom, and stability. We pray also for those in our city who are sick
or suffering. May they feel the comfort of your grace and the support of our community. Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> So, as many of you know from previous meetings, we usually begin our meetings here in Temple Terrace with a interesting or fun fact concerning the city of Temple Terrace or the region that we live in. And that duty rotates
and tonight it falls, if I'm not mistaken, on council member Fernandez. >> Yes, it does. >> Okay. >> So, welcome everyone. Um, I know that some of you may be new to the city of Temple Terrace and some of you may have been here a long time. We moved here in 1972, which I thought wasn't that long
ago by the mayor's math, but it is a while. But we started um highlighting the historic fact to show interesting and historic things about the city for people old and new to learn about the features of Temple
Terrace um that through the years especially we've been celebrating the centennial to learn about how this city was formed interesting things about our past and some people might say well why are we talking about the past I only care about going forward to the future.
future. But my hope is that by presenting some of this information about the city's past that we can appreciate how the city originated and grew into the place that we call home today. So
uh nothing stays static including our city and Temple Terrace has been changing and adapting for a hundred years. It's really evident in our recreation and community events. So in 1972, our recreation facilities were
Lightfoot, Woodmont Clubhouse, and Club Morocco. And the land that's around the actual family complex that we all know about today was the city's landfill. So this is this is an example of how
nothing stays the same. So now Lightfoot is the recreation center where we host all of our senior events. Club Morocco has been torn down and is part of the Florida College complex. And the family
complex now exists outside of the landfill. And we have tons of sports and dance and gymnastics and workout facilities there that have come into being based on what the community needed.
So where we were originally created as a hunting, fishing, and golf community, we now offer many, many opportunities to get outside with parks, playgrounds, boat ramps, volunteer organizations, numerous community events. And what
started as a vacation spot to enjoy a mild winter has grown into a vibrant city filled with clubs and events to connect us as a community. Um, each year the rec center hosts many events. They they were very busy this year, but some
of you may be familiar with the fall festival, the winter wonderland and our own golf cart parade and our touch a truck event and Temple Terrace reads and of course the Fourth of July celebration. But many volunteer
organizations also offer a lot of community events to help us stay connected like the tour of homes that we had in December, the arts and crafts festival which I think is 42 years 52
>> 52 years. And uh Brewfest, the fire department open house, the national night out and selfies with Santa just to name a few of the events in the community. and anybody who wants to know what's going on, the rec center puts
together the playbook and this highlights a lot of the recreation activities that have grown into being to answer the community's need for playing, exercising, sports, and as
evident of how over time this community has changed and adapted to what the residents are requesting. testing. So, I encourage our residents, old and new, to attend events. If you don't know about
an event, join the city's Facebook page. Connect with your rec center. They always have events posted there. Walk in and get the paperwork. Connect with the city uh website. We have an interactive calendar. So, if it's a city event, it
should be posted on our calendar. The Chamber of Commerce will help advertise a lot of the community events or join a volunteer organization and get involved at the grassroots. So, and one other way that you can get really involved in the
city and help chart the future is to join a board that serves the city in an advisory capacity. So, just get out and connect with the community and the community members. So, as we move into the next 100 years, I hope that we all
take time to reflect on what made this city great in the past and embrace the ways that we continue to be an amazing city for living, working, and playing as we move into the future. And I do want to encourage you all to
voice your concerns or your ideas and let us know what we could do. What do you love about Temple Terrace? and what do you think that we could do better? Because we started from one place and throughout the time we've continued to
grow and change to meet the needs of the community and remain a wonderful place to live. So that's my fact. >> Thank you. That was good. Very timely too. The beginning of the new year, we have a lot of events to to attend. Um so thank you very much. So tonight we have
our friends from the transportation planning organization here to present a temple terrace multimodal trail network plan uh which I have seen at the TPO but a lot of people have not and so Conor McGregor and uh Alvo I'm still learning
the right way to >> I know I say this in English and I know it doesn't come out right but uh thank you guys for being here tonight and so I'll turn it over to you. >> Yes, absolutely. So I'm Connor Trey host Macdonald. Um I am a staff at the transportation planning organization. So
the TPO and the TPO is a federally required agency um for for um urbanized areas. So really what we're tasked with is doing long range planning and programming. We have a board um which we're lucky that Mayor Ross serves as
our chair. And part of that long-range planning, we have funds to um conduct studies and plans for our local agencies and jurisdictions. And we often hire consultants to do this um because they have a different level of specialization
or a higher level of expertise um in these areas. So with that, we have um a study on temple terrorist multimodal network study which we've hired banesh for and avoid is here to present. Thank you. Good evening.
>> Good evening. Happy new year. Um are the slides? Oh, okay. Great. Am I in control of it? >> Okay, thank you. All right. Hello everybody. As Connor said, um this study is uh looking at multimodal connections
within the city's limits. Um its vision is to create a network. If you were to connect these um these areas of opportunity, um you could, you know, create a cohesive circuit around the city, one that could be used by different modes of transportation,
pedestrians and bicyclists and etc. >> Turn it on the side. >> Oh, okay. All right. So, uh like we like we said, uh we went over the TPO's role in this study. Uh I'll go over the project goals
and objectives, the stages of the project since uh this project kicked off last year, um do a review of the public engagement that we've done thus far, and take a look at the trail connections and um uh a map of the route that we've put together.
Uh Connor mentioned that the TPO receives uh federal transportation planning dollars and it conducts studies uh such as this for the local jurisdictions. Um and as uh with that process comes uh the studies movement through the TPO's
committees and ultimately to the TPO board. So we get uh to benefit from the feedback uh from the TPO's committees such as livable roadways technical advisory committee and the TPOB pack. So um we get a countywide perspective on on
the study as well. Ultimately this study will go to the TPO board um for adoption. Uh I mentioned project stages. So, thus far we have reviewed existing plans within the study's limits. Uh we've done a review of existing conditions within
the city limits. We've done a public survey and some uh public engagement activities to collect feedback and public opinion on the ideas that we've come up with. Um, namely we went to the firehouse openhouse in October uh where
we had a table and we had an interactive map activity and uh the public was able to vote on several options and alignments of this trail network. Um, so where when I where I get to the part where we're not uh checked I guess is uh
we're currently working on cost and feasibility analysis. So that's a planning level cost analysis of what it would take to take one of these trail opportunities and and physicalize it. So in the plan if it says like you know a separated bike lane would be really
great on this portion of of road uh the cost and feasibility analysis will provide some planning level cost numbers as to what it would take to actually build it in the way that we're proposing and then of course we go through the TPO committee and and board process.
So our uh study's uh goal was to identify connections and opportunities for a multimodal trail that connects the city's key points and highlight its character and charm. Um to diffuse some jargon, multimodal is just referring to transportation modes. So a trail that
could accommodate uh multiple modes of transportation. So walking and biking and that sort of thing. So to accomplish this goal, our objectives were to identify opportunities, places that um we could promote safe, efficient, and accessible uh transportation options
that would uh multiply like have a ripple effect, I guess, you know. So there's probably intersections in this city, in the community that have a lot of uh traffic, a lot of desire paths, that sort of thing. So looking at at the city from that point of view like how
can we uh practically enhance things and h and cause a ripple effect you know like if if we make this one intersection better maybe we can get to the rec center better the library is suddenly connected suddenly people want to walk around and and feel safer. Um uh so I
kind of mentioned that in the next bullet and then of course engaging the uh public and stakeholders with our ideas to get feedback and and integrate that into the ideas that we're coming up with when we as planners look at the city. Um so just to go over some public
engagement uh we conducted a survey from May 1st to June 30th in 2025. We received over 100 responses uh to that survey. Uh the majority of uh respondents said a lack of safe routes was a was a primary factor preventing
them from walking or biking more within the city. Um, we also conducted a stakeholder workshop where we had staff from Hillsboro TPO, City of Temple Terrace Hart, Hillsboro County Community and Infrastructure Planning, the Temple Terrace, BPAC, Florida College, and then
of course myself and uh some of my colleagues from Benes where we discussed um I would say more technical uh aspects of of this idea. Um, specifically speaking to Hillsborough CIP about how we could connect to the bypass canal. um
speaking to Hart about their ridership, their most po popular bus stops. You know, as I said, creating that that multiplier effect. If you make it safe to walk to a bus stop, suddenly you have just a network, right? That's really the whole concept behind this. So, uh and
then we held a public workshop, we'll call it, at the, uh fire department openhouse on October 11th. So, I'm calling it a public workshop in that we engaged the public. We provided them with options they could vote for. We had a full-size map of our route. Uh we took down comments and um ultimately people
voted for different uh paths through an area. So we really got to know a lot about those those hot spots that I'm I'm mentioning. Um so yeah, that's the public engagement thus far. So we're we've wrapped that up. We're really uh into a stakeholder feedback um process
right now. So we'll be going to TPO committees within the next uh couple weeks here. Um, so I mentioned the voting exercise. So you see the board on the right with stickers. Uh, you know, wouldn't it be a planning exercise if we didn't ask people to put stickers on a board? So we ask people to choose
between two different ways of traversing an area in the city. Uh, so the defining characteristic of a lot of these areas is there's a park, there's a school, there's a grocery store, there's a neighborhood road. So you have a lot of these uh natural I would say I guess
like attractors to bicycle or pedestrian activity but they you know what's the what would you how would you like to walk or bike between these two points. So that's really what we're asking people to vote um for on that on that board there. And then Connor uh was with me that day uh you know just providing
some general info and uh speaking with everybody who who attended the event that day. So uh to go from public engagement uh and and create a more technical uh cut of the information that we collected from from the residents uh we prioritize
the segments along the route. So this is an example of of a larger map but basically um I don't know if you can see uh the the the different colored segments are numbered. So each of those segments are uh scored and graded based
on criteria. I provided a a portion of the criteria we use to grade these score uh these segments. So you can see posted speed limit uh existing infrastructure public engagement support and transit. So each segment got scores in these
categories and uh we did this to just provide a priorit like a a sequential order of these segments that to see what would rise to the top. So, you know, if there's a segment that has an existing bike lane, it's near a park, it has a bus stop, lots of people talk to us
about it, it'll be at the top of this list. So, uh prioritizing the segments in terms of I would say like an opportunity to create that multiplier effect. you take advantage of the existing um land use, existing uses and existing infrastructure to to uh I would
say enhance a piece of this network that that you know would be greater than the sum of its parts. Uh this is the route as a whole. So you can see that um we have connected about 13 of the city's parks along this route.
Uh we've also prioritized staying off of major roads. Uh when you look at the city and its city limits and you ask the question, how do I better connect this area? You're immediately, you know, sort of challenged with the river and with
the arterial roads that go east west and 56th Street going north and south. It sort of boxes you in. But a great benefit of this city is uh you know the the local neighborhood the quiet can tree canopy roads that you have. So you
can see that a major portion of this proposed route is utilizing an existing bike lane that's uh following the river to the east and the golf course. So there is an existing uh on-road bike lane, not not a shared use lane, a a
sorry a painted bike lane there. Um and it's a primary spine. Uh also on this route are some more visionary areas that we've studied and proposed to be in this circuit. So you can see there's sort of like a we're like cutting the corner of
113th and River Hills. There is a there's an alleyway that is behind houses and and touches the recreational field that is a you know publicly owned. It's an easement. Um, so you know that's more of a pie in the sky vision of this
segment uh of the trail, but you know that that could uh represent an opportunity for creating a truly separated truly uh uh safe portion of this route versus a portion where you're more in like mixed traffic or you're utilizing a less um hardened uh
infrastructure for for your multimotal traffic. So all that to say is that this route encompasses uh very practical parts of the city that have existing infrastructure and then it also provides visionary options um for traversing
areas that don't have any infrastructure at all. Uh and so I've uh since solidified some more committee dates. Uh there's a handout that um that I've provided for the TPO. Uh but for the project side of things, our next step is like I said to
finalize feasibility analysis and the planning cost estimates. So what we're going to do is we're going to take some of those highest scoring segments and we're going to develop the cost estimates and feasibility analysis for those segments. So that'll just be uh
like a base level average of how how much money per mile would it cost to develop something along this route. and uh feasibility will take into account things like drainage um utility conflicts that sort of thing. So uh there may be some segments that we find
are very difficult you know and so then that may that may change that that prioritization list that we have. So uh we're coming here to you with a status update and uh with a description of these processes. Um, we'll be finalizing the plan after we do these analyses um
by February or so and we'll be coming back to you all in March 3, I think, if we get approved for your agenda. But that concludes my uh overview of this project. >> Well, thank you very much. And before I open it up for council questions, I I wanted to add to this a little bit
because we in Temple Terrace also have a pedestrian bicycle advisory committee. We have at least one member, Mr. Buffington is here tonight and they what was it two years ago I guess now um were asked to um formulate kind of a a sketch
of of Temple Terrace and where these bike and pedestrian preferred routes would go. Uh they came up with a really terrific product. This is a a citizen volunteer board that that we established. And so that's kind of the starting template for this. And so we'll
we'll look at the results of this and lay over the initial uh and and see what makes sense and what's cost feasible and what we can do. But we're trying to make sure that we create networks that align with safe crossings for the major court. You know, Fowler Avenue, Bullard 56. You
don't want to bring a trail out where there's no signalized crossing or something. You want to make sure people have a safe way to cross. So um thank you board council members. Any questions? Council member Fernandez. >> Um the first is a question for staff and that has to do with the area of the map
where we were where the potential would be to come into the utility easement across from Whiteway across to 113. And I thought that we've actually sold that property to the individual property
owners that back up onto that space. >> So I didn't know if that's actually really available. Okay. No, but >> I mean there might still be a quarter. I just didn't didn't know. >> I guess uh you know just just uh practically I was looking at the property appraisers website uh to see to
look at that land. So um that's the most updated information then I can take that into account. We also have dashed lines on this map. Sorry I know it's not in front of you but it provides al alternatives to these visionary sort of like areas that don't have any infrastructure going through through
them already. Um, but I appreciate you providing more context to that piece of land. >> I just I mean I just want to make sure I'm not saying that there is no corridor. I just know that I thought that >> it me people bought it. Um, so then so
my other questions are for you and that would be it doesn't seem like there's a lot of connectivity across Fowler. >> Yeah. So is is there any way to make some suggestions even though it might
be, you know, forever down the road, >> but some sort of plan of what could be viable to to connect the other side of Fowler so that people can get back and forth more easily. >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, so in the plan
there are segments that are not on this red line. And sorry, I know it's not in front of you again, but um but they are also analyzed and they're also sort of uh presented in like a SWAT analysis manner. So the whole northwest quadrant of the city you could say is sort of
sequestered by Fowler and 56. So uh you know I know that FOT has some Fowler studies going on where they're going to put midblock crossings on Fowler. So it' really behoove uh this study to to acknowledge that and then to provide analysis of segments that we are looking
at in that quadrant that sort of connect out to USF and that sort of thing. Um all that to say is I I think you're reliant on FDOT to cross Fowler. Um but they but they are they are studying and and putting midblock crossings uh on
Fowler. So, and the our our study does acknowledge that um and provides analysis of segments that are up in that that part of the city. This red route is is sort of uh symbolic I I think of of the study itself. Uh if I didn't have
this red route, I would sort of be giving you a list of roads and and numbers. And this red route is sort of just a way of cohesively collecting them and saying like, you know, you could you could hit 13 parks with this route. you know, you could this route touches all
your schools, that sort of thing. But, uh, if you want to look at the study from from a more specific point of view, you will be able to because you can look at every single segment with every single score and you know our analysis of that. So, >> okay. And then my my last question is
that as part of this analysis of connecting or making temple terrace multim modal >> sure >> will this also be designed to connect into existing or other areas so that
it'll be you're crossing here and then now you're on another path. >> Yeah. Yeah. So the so uh an aspect of the red route I would say is that it is prioritizing existing infrastructure. So segments on all the segments get a score
for existing infrastructure but along the red route this existing infrastructure is scored higher uh you know because it it represents a a opportunity to create a circuit around the city. So um yes uh existing infrastructure is scored higher in our
list of segments and it's presented as a segment that you should look into more because it has existing things. >> I'm I'm actually thinking more about what what is outside the city that might be >> paths yeah
>> that are maybe a safe like maybe maybe a safe path to USF when they get their stadium. So yes, we've got our our pathways within the city, but then are we including those outside so that we match up?
>> Yes. Yeah. So like we're also scoring that. Um so those segments that I was talking about in the Northwest, they are looking towards USF and they're receiving a higher a higher score, you know. So like versus a segment maybe that you know like 113th that's
connecting uh uh I don't know the rec center to 56 >> will have a zero in that field because it's not connecting regionally right so that's not a bad thing it's just you know one that's an example of one one having a score for the the case that
you're presenting and one having a score where it doesn't connect out to you know outside of the city. So, so the parts that touch the bypass that represent uh opportunities to connect to city of Tampa trail projects, that sort of thing, will have a score that that rises
them in in the list, if that makes sense. Yeah. >> Thank you. And so if I can chime in on that a little bit because some of that conversation exceeds the scope of this particular study, but for many several years we've been in conversations with
DOT about connecting to the west to USF and then to 40th Street to be able to connect to Tampa proposed trail to go south on 40th Street and then to the east at the bypass canal. there's a proposed trail that will parallel the
bypass canal that will take you north or south. And so that that is the goal. Um DOT originally pledged a 12-oot paved trail down the north side of Fowler. That has since changed because as we
discovered ourselves last year um of all the utilities run down the north side of Fowler Avenue and there's not enough room um to to put it with without conflicting with the gas transmission line and all the other stuff. And so,
um, they unfortunately had to scrap the 12-oot pave trail in in lie of they're looking how wide they can redo the sidewalk. >> That would make it wider. And it's really not practical to go to the southside because that's where most of the drainage is. Then it would cost a
fortune to build that up and accommodate the storm water. So, so there's discussions going on that really transcend the scope of this, but to get to connect with the other network. Yeah. Other questions? Council. Council member
Kravitz. >> Happy New Year and thanks for that great presentation. I appreciate it. Um I have only one small question which is I was kind of missing the convergence of some of these routes on downtown um which is in the uh central focus of the Temple
Terrace pedestrian master plan which I worked on along with the committee and I'd like to say Brent Buffington is in the audience today and he's the the chair of that committee and he does a really great job. Um, and uh, if we wanted to bring more people downtown,
how would you propose doing that in the framework of your advice to us? >> Yeah. So, I mean, I I I don't want to seem like I'm hiding behind my perfect scoring system, but but, uh, we we do have land use considerations in in the matrix that we've created. So the
segments that do touch 56, which I I would assume is downtown, uh are scored for for doing so versus segments that aren't. Um but you know, like I was saying about that multiplier effect, I think really hopefully the outcome of of
creating a sequential list with these considerations is that you you can find high impact segments to improve. And so I I really think that there are probably certain midblock crossings, certain uh
sidewalks that are maybe unlit or disconnected or broken that are really preventing just, you know, uh lowhanging fruit of of pedestrian and bicycle activity. Um, so, uh, I mean, but if if
you're looking like more of a specific area, like I should I should sort of look at the map and circle it and say this is downtown and and connect that or uh, you know, that's something we can do. Uh, it's something we have the land use data that, you know, we're treating 56 the the downtown CRA as an area that
we've scored higher. But um you know I I think something that sticks out in my head is um the midb like the crossing uh for the the pond that you all are studying about improving and Enigma Plaza and that area. I really think that it's pretty disconnected right now, but
you have these two uh synergistic, you know, like uses. People are at the park, people can sort of walk up by your improved pond and and access retail. You know, again, I think that is one of those multipliers where really that's
one segment in this study, but it it touches so many other things that you have going on in the city. So, um you know, hopefully we're we're presenting you that list of segments and and honing in on that that high impact, you know, improvement.
>> Yeah, that's fantastic. I'm really grateful for this exchange because you you brought up a lot of really excellent points and and one of them that really stands out to me is um the access to Enigma Plaza that you just pointed out is currently blocked by a wall. >> Um and so even if people wanted to access Enigma Plaza from that space that
you were just discussing, they wouldn't be able to. They'd have to to circumvent the wall by going up all the way. So um I find that to be a little bit uh poorly planned. And um to your other point, um were you I apologize for the ignorance
of this question. I don't I'm not involved in the day-to-day execution of any of this stuff. >> Uh you know, we're legislators up here, but >> um were you provided with a copy of the Temple Terrace Pedestrian Master Plan before you began your work? >> Uh I I procured one. Yeah, I was, you
know, when we did our uh existing plan review, uh that was one of the studies we looked at. Yes. >> Okay, good. I'm glad to hear that. stuff. Um, yeah. So, if we wanted to understand the input that we've gotten from you in terms of the scoring,
>> uh, is it correct that I understand that you've scored roots that you think would be, um, the best value to improve? >> Yeah. Yeah. I would say high impact, >> right? >> Uh, I'm I'm just sort of, you know, shrugging away from value because I wouldn't, you know, there was not like a
fiscal analysis of this. there was like a planning uh impact like connecting uses and safety and existing infrastructure there was was was scored higher. You could interpret that as providing a lot of value. >> I understand. Thank you. Um so when
we're looking at that um you're you're saying this is a good place to invest your money. You're not making recommendations about what we should do. That's up to us, right? >> Uh we are so th this this study is sort of like a first step. So, we're providing examples of other places and
other trails and other segments that have been improved in the way that we think is uh is is good. So, but you know, we're we're not um sort of designing the trail, right? this this study. I think the more the the deepest this study gets is providing that list,
that prioritize list and and and allowing you to hone in on those, you know, high impact areas and and a a base level planning level cost analysis. >> Okay, great. Thank you very much for those answers. I really appreciate it. That's all I have. I yield.
>> Further questions? >> Thank you, gentlemen. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate you being here. Thank you. Okay, council members, has everybody had an opportunity to review the minutes from our previous meeting? And if they are acceptable, is there a motion? >> Excuse me. I have one correction to the
minutes that I'd like to propose. >> Council member Kravitz. >> I'll pass it around. >> Off goes. So, um, I made two substantive points in the previous meeting and unfortunately I
noticed that neither of them were in the minutes. So, I just have a correction here that I'd like to circulate. I think there's one extra one. I'll share this with uh our city clerk in a moment. Um, so basically um the point that I made about rule 18D got a bit lost. I was just making a point there about um the
fact that the form requirement is not in the city council's procedural rules for for being able to speak and make your comments in public. And then the other correction to the minutes that I have here under uh the second amendment uh is that the the point about separation of powers uh got a bit lost there. So those
are the changes I'd like to propose and I'm happy to make a motion to read them out. So um the uh first one would be and I'll make the motion as one uh for both points. So I'll motion to approve by unanimous consent a change to
the um city council minutes from December 16th, 2025. Uh the first change is uh city uh to the point after council member Kravitz stated and read rule 18D would then subsequently read after it of
the council rules of order and procedure requires only that members of the public be recognized by the presiding officer before addressing council and contains no requirement that speakers complete a written request form. He observed that while the form has been used as a matter of informal custom, this practice is not
grounded in the adopted rules and the underlying concern is whether audience members are afforded adequate opportunity to signal their desire to speak before the public comment period closes. And the second change being after the text in the minutes that reads, "Council member Kravitz stated that he would vote
no because this has no separation of powers and he does not think that the council should give up power if they are not required to." It would read, "Council member Kravitz noted that while Florida statute section 1177.071 mandates administrative approval of final plats, the staff report
acknowledged that no statutory changes were required for preliminary plat review under section 12-354. He expressed concern that by voluntarily extending the delegation of preliminary plat appeal authority to the city manager, the council was surrendering oversight beyond what state law required
and that this eliminated a meaningful separation between the administrative function of reviewing plats and the appallet function of reviewing disputed decisions. That is what would um capture the comments that I made on that day. So I would love a second and then it can
pass by unanimous consent and we can move on. Second, >> the unanimous consent issue is a little Thank you. >> The only concern I have is the unanimous consent if to where if nobody objects,
it goes forward. Everybody's required to vote on this and I think using this unanimous consent is problematic. I think we should just follow the standard, make a motion, if there's a second, and then they vote. None of this >> unanimous consent are in Robert's rules of order. Mr. city attorney, but we have
rules under Florida statutes that require every board member to vote on a on a topic or on an item. So, I don't think rule the uh Robert's rules is going to apply here. I think it's important that everybody votes either yay or nay, not this silent vote through
the unanimous consent. >> Seems like we need to change our statutes then, but I think that motions for unanimous consent are generally regarded as completely unproatic both municipally and on the state level. just issuing my concern that by doing anything by this unanimous consent could
be problematic with no uh without the fact that people might not be actively voting on an issue. >> I can ask one more question of the city attorney. Are you aware of any jurisdiction in Florida that does not use motions for unanimous consent? >> I am not familiar and I've been at three jurisdictions to where they've used
that. Everyone has used motion second vote. >> I'm happy to convert my motion to one for approval then. Second >> comments, discussion. >> I have a question. >> Vice Mayor, >> Miss
Sander, um, these are in quotation marks. Has this been verified against what was actually stated? >> No, sir. >> It does. >> This is my first acknowledgement of this, so I cannot state one way or the other.
This is in addition to what's in the minutes from that day. >> The only thing >> my my concern is is you get this in quotation marks. You're quoting this is what you said. Did you listen to the tape of what was actually done verbatim or or is this what you wanted to say?
>> The minutes are not a verbatim transcript. >> I understand then I understand what you're saying, but I don't want to put stuff in the minutes that may may not have necessarily been said. I made those points on that day. >> But you say these, you got these are
quotation marks. If this is going in there, then then you said it or not said it. >> The quotation marks are to indicate the text that's supposed to be inserted, not that the text being inserted is in the quotation marks because obviously I wouldn't refer to myself in the third person, right? >> I don't know. >> Well, I wouldn't
>> I don't know. I can't say. >> No, I did not say council member Kravit said and refer to myself in the in the in the past tense. No, I didn't do that. the the quotation marks are for ease of reference here. So that the first quotation mark is a quotation from the minutes from that day and the second
quotation mark simply captures the text that I would like to amend into the minutes. So I'm happy to happy to make the motion without the quotation marks although I don't really know if that's required. I think it's a verbal motion. So this is just for your reference since there was criticism last time that didn't provide
enough background information. So here we have it. That's all. Other comments or discussion? I I would like an opportunity before we vote to make these amendments to review this. that was just handed to
us. And I'm trying to run a meeting and read this and I'd like to be able to compare this to the video of the meeting to see I don't I'm I'm assuming that this is an accurate reflection, but I'd like an opportunity to review the minutes that our clerk
wrote versus these minutes so I can more intelligently vote on this. And I don't see any reason why we couldn't adopt these minutes at our next meeting when we approve the minutes from this meeting and give us all an opportunity to look at the text of this and look at the
video and see how the compares. >> I agree. That's my that was basis of my question >> that that I mean I'm I wouldn't say no to the amendment. It may be a fine. I'd just like a chance to review that. >> Yeah. Great. Just brief comment on that. Um all of us were there in that meeting.
I understand. That's totally fine. Um I clearly remember making those points. Um but I have no problem postponing it until the next meeting. That's totally fine. >> Well, we still have a live motion. >> I accept the postponement as well.
>> Okay. So, are we going to withdraw then the motion to approve the minutes? >> That would be up to you. We still have a motion on the floor. Well, there is >> I'll I'll withdraw my motion to amend the minutes, but I don't want to vote on approving the minutes because my vote is going to be then
I'll withdraw my motion to amend the minutes and then I'll make a motion to table the discussion about the minutes until a date certain which would be uh the next city council meeting and I can pull that date in a second. That would be um so it would be the 20th of
January. So I'll make that motion then. >> Second. >> Any discussion of that? All those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed? No. >> We will revisit this at our next meeting. Okay. Um
public comment persons wishing to be heard on items on the consent agenda or on items not on the agenda. There are request forms to address the mayor and council on the table in the back of the room. uh please complete the form and give them to the
city clerk on my left. Uh council has a 30 minute time limit for this portion of the meeting so that we can move on with other business. If it's necessary to hear further public comment, we do that at the end of the meeting. So it's not like you don't get a chance to talk. It's just that we have to put a cap on
the time here. I don't think that's going to be an issue tonight. It doesn't look like uh there's a threeminut time limit imposed on all comments from the public. Uh we ask that speakers come to the podium and state their name and city of residence. During public comment on items not on the agenda or items on the
consent agenda, the city manager and directors in attendance do make note of these issues. I'd like to assure all residents that all of your comments are taken seriously and will be followed up on. So during this portion of the meeting, I currently have one request to speak from Mr. Loe. Mr. Loe, you're
recognized, sir. Welcome. Happy new year >> everybody. >> My name is Charles Lo. I live in Terrace Park and I have a couple of topics tonight. Number one, I want to congratulate or or give condolences to the vice mayor for u being elected hard
board chair. Uh, I think it'd be remiss not to uh compliment uh Councilman Vieira for the job he did over the three years. And um I hope that he can move forward. I uh for for the record uh at
heart we there was $32 million put into buses and another $42 million put into uh the fixing of the of the of the um trying to think what it is over the uh
the over the center where you know they're working on the buses and all that. So in other words they got $74 million. So, in other words, hearts looks like it's going to stay around. Um, the other thing I want to talk about tonight is stereotyping. I really can't
stand it. I saw this article in this paper. It's still bothered me since I've seen it from December 24th. Uh, it has to do with uh people depicting Muslims or anyone else uh by stereotyping.
Stereotyping leads to prejudice. Prejudice leads to fear. Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to violence. Such as five years ago today, in case anybody forgot, over at the capital. Doesn't have to be just religious.
And uh hate leads to war. If people want peace, uh it begins by downsizing the stereotyping of other of other people. here next month. There's a nice Muslim young lady over here and next month I'm sure you
will once again be inviting uh the people from the mosque overan which I believe is February 18th and I do not think uh within this community I have known some very very nice Muslim people and I hate the idea
of them being stereotyped or anyone else being stereotyped as Dr. King said that people should be judged by their character, not by their color or by their faith or anything else. And that um anyway um I just hope things
get along. We can we should be able to get along. Hopefully we can start even being a role model within this community uh for people for peace in the whole world, not just uh not just here in the community. Why? because we're all part
of the same community. That's why we should feel like we owe everyone else and to give everyone uh the respect they deserve without making judgments simply because of a label on them or how their faith is in our creator. Thank you and good evening. >> Thank you, Mr. Lo. Are there other
members of the public who wish to address the council at this time? Okay, seeing none. Council, is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> Move to approve the consent agenda. >> Second. >> All those in favor say I. >> I.
>> I. Opposed. Nays. Consent. Consent agenda is adopted. Next item is a resolution approving the installation of a speed hump on North 62nd Street. Our public works director, Jason Warrenfelds, is here to present. Good evening, Mr. Warrenfeld.
Evening, mayor, council members. City public works department is bringing forward a resolution requesting approval to install a traffic calming speed hump on 62nd Street between Fowler and East 113th Avenue. The engineering department received a petition from a resident to evaluate
62nd Street for speed hump viability. In response, staff worked with the Temple Terrace Police Department to collect vehicle speed data, followed by review of historical data, average daily street volumes, roadway classification, street geometry,
including street dimensions, and all side streets. The ter the determination to install a speed home was based on those factors along with the speed of vehicles in the 85th percentile was at an average of 41.9 miles per hour in the posted 25 mph street
confirming the potential safety risk for pedestrians, bicyclists, and the other neighborhood traffic. This slide here is a aerial view looking from east to west of 62nd Street between 11
13th and Fowler Avenue. This slide is a markup of where the proposed speed hump installation along with the appropriate signage and street uh indicators will be located. This street has a mixed use including commercial which is closer to the north
side the fowler end then it proceeds as residential with the south end of 62nd Street having a city park. The recommendation for one speed hump is based off of the engineering standards for roadway required roadway signage and placement along
placement along with which includes not placing the speed hump near driveways or other roadway access points. The approval of this resolution will allow staff to move forward with the installation. Once completed, we expect to see slower speeds, improve safety, and an overall enhancement for the area. Staff respectfully request council
approve the resolution and I stand for questions. >> Thank you, Mr. Warren Fields. I do have some members of the public who wish to speak on this. Uh, first request is Dr. Stephanie Arthur. >> Good evening, doctor. >> Good evening,
>> Mr. Warrenel. Thank you for all of your hard work and for recognizing the request of our entire neighborhood. I'm so personally grateful to the work that you and Mr. Everett have done. Um, so happy new year. Thank you for, and I'm not going to use all the three minutes.
Um, positionality. I moved to Temple Terrace almost two years ago. I've long had Temple Terrace envy living in South Tampa for almost 30 years. And um, finally made the move. Uh, 30 years in education and I have been a professor at
University of South Florida College of Education working there since 2017. Children are my passion and what drove this passion when I really don't have time to take up another project is um living next to the playground lenar
playground and it is a park but it is also a playground with children and bicycles and pedestrians and scooters. I love the multimodal plans. May I suggest the 60 62nd north corridor to extend
that? Okay. Um, my concern is, and I don't want to sound ungrateful, um, we did request speed bumps, humps, tables, not sure what they're called, um, we were a bit disappointed that there, and I understand policy and distance and so
forth, that only one was approved. And the location, I don't know if you have the ability to pull up that map, um, it's the location is closer to Fowler. The problem is the traffic, the vehicles that are coming from 113th
rounding the corner often not seeing that there is a crosswalk. There are children playing. There are there is no parking lot at the playground. There is no street signage for the playground on either direction. And parents will park their car. And I'm a mom. I three are
grown and flown. They they made it. Um but I see all the time um parents out and as we do we you know if you have more than one you know they're like cats they just kind of scuttle. So there's been multiple times when I have observed um children in the street just kind of
toddling around and we have cars coming from 113th rounding the corner and and and we're all in a hurry. We all have jobs and I get it. And the perception is I need to get to Fowler as quickly as possible because I know I have a short window to get out on Fowler for before
all the traffic comes. And so I don't think anyone is intentionally driving fast. I just don't think they realize that it is a posted 25 mile hour neighborhood road with a children's playground. And so the position of the
single speed hump is closer to Fowler. That's not going to do anything to address the issue of the cars speeding past the children's playground where there are bicycles again. So, I hope I stayed under three minutes. But, um, more importantly, I have joined the golf
club. I have joined the rec club. I loved your historical connection because I have attended everything I can. I love Temple Terrace. I did the tour of the Amazon distribution center today with my son. May I suggest that is it. Thank you for everything and again for your
>> Thank you, Dr. Arthur. Uh, next >> is Sam Crawford. >> Good evening, Mr. Crawford. >> I am uh also here to talk about that. I have a residence on uh 60 or 62nd Street as well. Um, yeah. So, the speed bumps,
we've been requesting that for a long time. I'm glad this is finally. Thank you for putting in your work uh to make that happen. Um, I do agree with everything she had mentioned. Uh, one we do not think will resolve the issue. Two or three maybe would resolve the issue. And I understand there's placement
issues and regulations with how far from driveways and entrances um that speed bumps can be placed, but uh the park is like a major attraction. People come from crossor to it as well as people in the community um and would like to try to have more speed bumps in the area,
more than just one. um that's requested to try to slow down the traffic on that street. A lot of it also is inflicted like when there's accidents is one big thing. Uh it becomes a shortcut for people to cut around um valor and go up to Gillette and get around an accident. It's very common. Um so yes, I agree
with everything Stephanie said and appreciate all the work and thank you guys. >> Thank you, Mr. Crawford. Are there other members of the public who wish to comment on this item? This this will conclude the public comment portion. So, if you want to may have public comment,
this is the time. Does it doesn't reopen. Okay. Council members, are there questions? And then we're going to ask Mr. Warrenfield to respond to this. But are there council member questions? Vice Mayor? >> Yes. This is primarily question for staff. um what is the um criteria for
the number of speed humps in any given >> so it's based on it's based on the length of the roadway and the availability to put the appropriate markings and signage for that. There also has to be ample uh space or or distance for acceleration and de acceler
deceleration. So um based on the engineering review that's the criteria for the one speed hump. The other criteria in this scenario is the residential portion along 62nd Street. The speed hump is in that portion of the
street. The other end of the street is where the commercial businesses are. So it's closer it's slightly closer to the southside than it is to the Fowler side. >> Well, if I look at if we look at Ridgale, we got Bing Bing Bing. We got five of them in in a quarter of a mile or four of them in a quarter of a mile
if I remember correctly. >> Correct. Um just >> right. So the street section um one of the requirements is at least 750 ft. >> So when you when you think about Ridgedale, Ridgel is obviously longer. There's there's a greater opportunity
for acceleration and deceleration through that section. >> So between between the country and whole one and and there's three of them at least I believe >> correct. Yes, it I understand in this scenario the recommendation through engineering through our means and
processes it's recommend recommendation for one. Okay. >> Other question. >> Yeah. The other question I had was the number of petitions did we did did the did the residents on a long 60 petition this or just
>> so there was a resident petition. >> Yeah. What was the percentage >> of Yeah. Yes. this sign of the total number of residents. >> So the the petition met the requirements which is which is part of the policy. That's how it moved forward.
>> Okay. But was it was it everybody or was it uh was there? >> Off the top of my head I don't have that number in front of me, but I know it met the criteria. >> Okay. >> Was in the backup. I believe >> was more than 50%. It doesn't say. Yeah. I can't remember. >> Yeah.
>> Council member Kravitz. >> Thank you. Um the spacing you I think use the word recommendation. Does that mean that there's flexibility? >> So based on the criteria through
engineering and our means and methods the recommendation is one speed hump for this area. It it also includes the traffic volume counts the speed through the 85th percentile. There's a number of criteria that goes through the department before the recommendation is made. So again, when I hear
recommendation, I think you could do one, you could do two, maybe three because it's a recommendation. It's not a hard requirement, right? >> There's not a hard requirement. The hard requirements come from the MUTCD where we are set by standards of appropriate signage, appropriate street markings and
distances um for streets and driveways and uh cross streets. So those are set standards where they don't allow for consideration of adjustments. >> So when it comes to those set standards that you can't deviate from,
>> did you use those to the maximum extent when you planned these speed pumps or was there any leeway that you didn't use? >> So all of the petitions are are viewed in the same capacity. So it is not excluded from one standard to the next.
So when the speed dump petitions are received, there is a number of requirements that it has to go through to meet the um acceptability to put the speed humps in. Um so no, there's not a deviation from one to the other. >> Um sorry, I wasn't talking about the
petition. I apologize if I came across a little unclear on that. Um, what I meant was when you planned out the number of speed humps here, there's a recommendation that's based on criteria that I just understood are not flexible.
>> Correct. And what I'm trying to figure out is did you put in the maximum number of speed humps in this area that would be permissible based on the strict requirements
without having the street measurement in front of me which I don't have. I I would have to say I could look at that and follow up. Um >> great, >> but um off the cuff I can't answer that. >> Yeah, that's fine. No problem. Um so um I' I'd like to hear more about that
because uh if there's any additional flexibility that we have to put a second or maybe a third speed hump in, >> uh then I would like to see that. I know that this is an issue that's really near and dear to many many people in Temple Terrace. People do not like the speeding. And the other thought that I
have is I I see that in the report um the speed the speed measured on the street was 41 miles hour on average. So that's um yeah 16 miles hour higher than the speed limit on average which means
that many people were likely going much faster than that and some might have been going slower. Um will we be following up on this street to make sure that the average measured speed is actually reduced for example by
doing another survey of the traffic in a year to make sure that these speed bumps have actually had an effect. >> So I from history I can say since I've been here we have not done a follow-up um portion of that. Um, I don't think
that it's unachievable. Um, but it's the the overall consensus from what feedback we hear is is there is an understanding that the speeds have dropped, particularly Ridgedale, Sunnyside, and those areas. So, um, it's definitely a consideration that we could follow up. >> Yeah. Okay. I'd like to see those two
things. First, I'd like to make sure that we've put in as many speed bumps as we can on that road. And the other thing is I'd like to see a follow-up to make sure that our work is actually bearing fruit. And I think it's really important when we put speed bumps in that we actually go back and check our work later to make sure that we achieved our
objective when we did that. Um, and I yield. Thank you. >> Questions, Council Member Fernandez. So, I'm very familiar with the area and I'm I just want to ask you if the stretch of
road only allows for one speed hump, is it wouldn't it be make more sense to put it closer into the park area versus closer to Fowler because it just seems like
there's still a lot of space. I know that you have the considerations that that you have to include in the analysis, but it just seems like there's a lot of space past the speed hump before you even get to the stop sign at 113 and 62 to build up speed again. And
that is one of the areas that the residents have expressed the most concern about being that that's the place where you're more likely to have a pedestrian or bicyclist encounter. Um, so I just, so I have the same
questions of is is the one speed bump and in this placement based on our recommendation or is it the hard rules that we cannot negotiate around setting that this ends up being the only place
that we could put a speed bump. And so I'd like to know if that's the case. And then I'd also like to know if and this was obviously not part of the consideration because the petition came from the people on 62nd but if if the
so when you come from Fowler to 113 on 62nd there's a stop sign. So theoretically you should be stopping at it slowing down some to stop coming from 113 making a right on 62nd there's no stop sign. So,
would it also make sense, even though it's technically not part of that petition, but it's feeding into that traffic pattern, to consider a speed bump on 113 as you approach 62nd? Because I guess what I'm saying is
it doesn't make sense to me if we put a speed bump in place that doesn't actually change the behavior or have the outcome that we need. It's just a bump in the road. >> So the the question about 113 is without
having a petition for 113, it doesn't meet the criteria to be viewed in this scenario. Um the other comment about the location of it again think about acceleration and then there is a driveway on the southern end that is
before the speed hump. So in the criteria, we have to stay away from the driveway and if you to get the markings and the signage, there was not enough area before the driveway to put all of that plus the speed hump and then the
other side which it also would be and you're right if if we put it there, if the choice was to put it there, there could have been a scenario where there would need to be another one because of the distance between that hump and Fowler Avenue. So >> I I guess what I'd like to ask really of
city staff is is there another mechanism that might be better to calm the traffic and the speed in this area because I agree I think an average of 49 miles an hour and a 25 is pretty high and
I just I guess when I look at the placement of this speed bump if this is if this is the only place that we can put it based on the hard criteria area. It doesn't seem like it's going to have the impact that people are looking for. >> Well, and and I will say to that, if you
look at Sunnyside, the the original speed homes that were placed on Sunnyside were a less aggressive speed homes than the newer style that we were using. So, the overall impact can Ridgedale, Sunnyside, um the streets, um the other streets that we've installed
those on, I mean, they're aggressive. They they force you to slow your speed. Um there's going to be my opinion is there's going to be some impact as far as the the volume of speeds the the speed of the vehicles because of the aggressiveness of how high the bumps
are. Um I don't know what that is obviously today because we don't have the the hump in but the the if you don't slow down for that at 41 mph you're you're going to wish you would have way before that. So, um, >> well, did so I mean just this is just my
non-traic opinion, but it just seems to me like the residents expressed their bigger concern is the right turn from 113 high acceleration that this particular speed bump's not going to address that issue at all. So, that's why I'm just concerned. It's
going to slow you down before you get to Fowler and then it it's going to have some impact from the people coming in from Fowler, but it's not going to have any impact on that area. So, I just think I mean I'm not opposed I'm not opposed to putting the speed bump. I
just don't think that where we're looking at it needing to go. Which is why I would ask, are there other traffic calming measures that could be implemented here that might have the efficacy that
to address the speeding in the the particular area where it seems to be more problematic. So that's it. >> Questions? Council Chambers. >> Sorry to beat this up. Back to the 750 foot rule. That's from an intersection and from a driveway. Is that a rule or a
recommendation? >> So it the the roadway has to be at least 750 ft even for the consideration of a speed home. So that is the portion for 750 ft. Um, >> so there is there a recommendation from
any driveway because there's two entrances to the condos there and the southern one is between this um obviously between the speed hump and 113th. So, uh, is there enough room from that driveway south to 113th by your
standards for driveways to put a speed bump speed bump >> from the driveway south to 113th? >> Yes. Is there enough room by your qualifica, you know, by your rules? >> I mean, I didn't see any markings. I tried to go on maps to and I'm not good
enough. >> That's okay. It's fine. It's fine if you don't know. >> Council member, >> council member, >> I guess based upon the some of the questions so far and I put Mr. Warfelt's on the spot cuz I I think if you if the
council is so disposed to have us take a second look at this. >> Um just to answer some of these questions, get that stuff answered, bring it back to you at a at a next meeting if we can get on the next agenda. Um I think that would be a way to move this along if that's what the council wants us to pursue. If
otherwise, just let us know. But um we hear what you're saying and uh we understand the idea of the recommendation. I want to get a grasp of that too, working with with Jason upon the recommendations versus what >> u what the rules are and etc. So I think the staff did what we asked them to do,
>> follow the policy and do the criteria. >> Um but I hear what the council is saying so far. >> Okay. >> Vice drive that road five times a day that that particular section there and it's bad and then people come flying
around that corner. We can figure out we're not saying no. were saying just can you put two or so in at least two I think one at one at either end you're going to because people come once they come off past the daycare they go flying down the road because they want to get on to 113th and conversely come back
coming back the other way so it uh going north on on 62nd that that's that's we we really need we need more than one think we figure out a way to put it in there. Okay. So, Council Member Kitz, >> I was just thinking perhaps Council
Member Schisler could um make a motion to that effect that staff be instructed to come back with a plan to implement two speed pumps on that road. >> It's a good idea. >> I think you got the vote. I think you got the the I don't think we need a motion from my I think we need a motion
for that. Staff knows what we need and come back to us with it. I may then agenda item that we need to council >> member Travis still has the >> I just want to say I think I think that many people were very engaged in this process. They filed a petition. They
came here to speak. I don't want to send them home without the feeling and something that's actually legally binding that this is going to move forward. And so I'd like to make that motion then if if council member Schisler doesn't want to. So, I'll move that we ask staff to investigate whether
at least two speed bumps can be installed on that stretch of road and to report back at their earliest convenience and no later than two months to that effect. >> There is a motion.
>> So, I mean I I will second it. I don't know if that if we should be that specific in, but I'm I'm all for the investigation. So, >> I I'm in favor of having them investigate it further, too. I'm glad
you stopped short of directing two speed bumps because I don't think we as elected officials ought to be directing engineering department. I mean, we need to comply with the MUTCD and that's the manual for uniform traffic control devices. We have to
comply with that. If we don't, we open ourselves up to all kinds of liability for anything that happens because we knowingly violated the MUTCD. I don't have any issue with the motion because it asks staff to go back, take a second look at it, make sure confirm
your findings or adjust your findings, whatever, and bring bring it back. So, I'll I'll be supportive of the motion. So, other comments, discussion, >> I have a comment. I can either say it now or new business. It's about kind of
this topic. >> You have the floor. >> Okay. To uh to everybody out there, this council's worked for many years, our goal setting sessions and stuff to uh try to uh stop speeding and uh aggressive driving in Temple Terrace.
We've had goals on this for years. We've hired four new police officers just for a traffic unit to go out there. We've done a lot of money. We're spending a lot of money and we're still spending a lot of money. And some of these speed bumps do inconvenience our residents, but they're needed. If we would just
slow down, please talk to your neighbors. We just need to slow down. It would save our citizens a lot of tax dollars. That's all. Just a speech. I'm sorry. >> We've worked hard on this for years. >> We have. So, we have a motion, a second. Is there further discussion of the
motion? >> All those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed? No. Thank you, Mr. Warren Phillips. Thank you, Mr. Patel. Okay. Next is a resolution approving final site plan SPR-25-10
for Culver's located at 5880 East Fowler Avenue. Senior planner Alyssa Livingstone is here to explain. Good evening. >> Good evening, mayor and council members. I'm Alyssa Livingstone, the senior planner. This presentation is for the
consideration of approval for final site plan SPR 2510 for Culver's proposed for 5880 East Fowler Avenue.
The property is 1.73 acres in size and is zoned commercial general. The applicant seeks to demolish the existing structure which was formerly a bank. The proposed project involves the
construction of a 4,413 square ft quick service restaurant with a drive-thru. The property is positioned with offices to the north, automated repair center to
the south, city utility and condominiums to the east, and a restaurant to the west. Here is the overall site plan. There are 49 on-site parking spaces
provided. This includes three ADA parking spaces. On-site parking is located on the northern portion of the site. The proposed pedestrian access points are to
the south of the site along East Fowler Avenue. 20 outdoor patio seats are proposed to the east side of the building. Due to the specific site geometry and
optimal traffic flow, the proposed drive-thru pickup window is on the south side of the building and runs parallel to East Fowler Avenue.
To enhance the streetscape, the applicant proposes the use of dwarf walters viburnum as a primary landscape buffer. These will be planted at a minimum
height of 2 ft. According to our city's arborist, as the plants grow, they will mature into full hedges. Because they are dwarfed viburnums,
they are not expected to exceed 4t in height. Here is the north elevation where the main entrance will be. This is the south elevation
where the drive-thru pickup window will be. This is the east elevation. This is the west elevation. This is the proposed pylon sign to be located on the corner with East Fowler
Avenue and North 60th Street. This is on the southeastern portion of the site. There are four conditions with this approval. These include standard conditions regarding land development
code language. The applicant shall widen North 60th Street adjacent to the subject property to 24 ft. This improvement shall be completed to
comply with city and Florida Department of Transportation current roadway design standards. The plan will expire in 2 years as per section 12380
of the land development code where standards are not specified here in in the city's LDC standards or current codes will apply. Thank you. The applicant's representative is present and is also
available to answer any project specific questions as well. >> Thank you, Mr. Livingstone. Does the applicant wish to make a com presentation at this time prior to public comment? No. Okay. All right. Are there members of the public who wish to
comment on this item? Okay. Seeing none council members questions. >> Okay. All right. If there are no questions, is there a motion? >> Move to approve final site plan SPR25-10 for the Culver's located on 5880 East
Valor Avenue. >> Second. >> Motion to second. Discussion of the motion >> with conditions as presented. >> With conditions as requested. >> Second. >> With the conditions listed. >> Thank you, council member. Is there discussion of the motion? If not, all those in favor say I. I.
>> I. Opposed. No. Nays. Resolution is adopted. Thank you, Miss Livingstone. Next, we have a resolution affirming the city manager's approval of a minor modification to the building elevations for 100024 and 1026 Davis Road, otherwise known as
RZP23-02. Miss Livingstone will speak to this as well. Before you tonight is a request to formally affirm the city manager's administrative approval of a minor
modification to plan development RZP 2302. The subject properties are located at 1024 and 1026 Davis Road.
The applicant is requesting the addition of a new building elevation option named Lakeside for their planned development zoning district. Staff has reviewed this application
under the standards of section 12 380 of the land development code regarding deviations from approved plants. While the LDC grants the city manager the administrative authority to approve
this as a mariner modification, given that the properties are located within a planned development zoning district, the city manager has requested that this be brought before you tonight
to formally affirm this approval. Here are the previously approved elevations and models. We have the area, the Cali,
and the Hayden. And this is the new proposed elevation lakeside. This is a singlestory 277
square foot home. Here is the floor plan associated with the proposed elevation. This is a five bedroomedroom floor plan option. To provide context on the scale of this
modification, this option is intended for a limited portion of the development. Specifically, it is proposed for only five out of the
28 homes within this planned development zoning district. Staff recommends approval of the resolution affirming the city manager's approval of a minor modification
to the building elevations for RZP 2302. Thank you. The applicant's representative is present and is also available to answer any project specific questions as well.
>> Thank you, Miss Livingstone. Is the applicant wish to make any comments at this time? >> Yes, ma'am. >> No. Okay. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item? Seeing none, council members, are there
questions? I I have one. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Vice Mayor. >> I just have one. Why? >> Okay, good question. So, this is a unique I would say it's unique, but it's unique because this was a planned development. So, their elevations
originally were part of their zoning approval. >> And so, if you recall, this is this is like the third iteration now of elevations. first set were approved and then they came back after they did more market research and they decided they knew more about the site that they
wanted to do new elevations and the process because it was part of a reasoning. We'd have to go out and potentially do a two public hearing reszoning. It would take weeks if not months to do seemed um too burdensome. Uh it seemed out of proportion with what they were asking. So, what we looked at
is we looked at the the ordinance allows me as a manager to accept minor modifications, which this would typically be a minor modification, but in light of the fact that it's related to a PD, I felt the need to bring it to the council to have you affirm it. This still avoids two public
hearings and opening up the resoning and doing all that. And that's what we did the last time with the first set that Miss Livingstone showed you, the first really four types of elevations. So, what the developer, as I understand now, wants to do is add a fifth elevation, which again seems to be minor, but in
light of the fact it was related to that, we want to have the council's approval. I want to have the resolution tying it to the the zoning for the future reference of anybody looking at the the plan history here. >> I had no problem with this concept, but I follow question for the city attorney.
How is this any different given the massinations we went through the last couple public hearings for the where the city manager can sign off on something? How is this thing this situation different from what that >> or are we talking apples and oranges?
>> We're talking apples and oranges. Okay. If what I'm understanding is what we approved and you're talking about the allowing the city >> microphone. Sorry. What we approved was it last meeting at least had second hearing on was the
signing off on plats which is taking a big piece of property breaking it up. This is just adding an elevation. >> That's it. I'm fine. I'm fine. So to clarify make sure I wasn't walking in a snowstorm. Okay. >> Other questions? >> I I have one. Miss Livingstone. I I'm
assuming that this doesn't change the the uh because I mean I know the applicant in the city worked very hard to get this to where it is. This doesn't change anything concerning floor ratios or setbacks or lot sizes or any of that. It's the same basic size footprint.
>> Yes, it is. >> Okay. >> Yes, mayor. >> Okay. Good. Thank you. That's all the questions I have. If there are no questions, is there a motion? >> Uh yes. Uh move to approve the resolution affirming the city manager's approval of a minor modification to the
building elevations for 100024 and 1026 David Davis Road RZP 23-02. >> Second >> motion and a second. Is there discussion of the motion? >> If not, all those in favor say I.
>> I. Opposed? No. >> Resolution's adopted. Thank you. Thank you. >> Next item is the first public hearing and first reading of an ordinance to amend the plan development zoning district at Woodsto Plaza, otherwise
known as RZP25-2. I will open the public hearing and our city planner Joe Mora is here to explain. Good evening. >> Good evening, mayor, council members. Happy new year. I'm here to provide a presentation on the review of resoning
25502, a plan development known as Woodsto Plaza located in the telecom uh development of regional impact. Just to give you some context, uh the parcel information, uh the location is approximately 400
420 ft from the corner of Tampa Telecom Drive and Fletcher Avenue. The size of the modification area is 2.31 acres and it's part of a larger PD which is 7.8 acres in total. The access includes two
access points on Fletcher and has shared access point internally shared access internally um that feeds into the two accesses on Fletcher and also has one access point on telecom. In terms of the regulatory background,
uh the property is subdivided as part of the Woodstok plat. It's lot 7A. In terms of the zoning, uh the current zoning is plan development. It was zoned through ordinance 1530 and part of reasonzoning application 1713, which serves as the
base uh for the plan development that this is modifying. It's also part of the Tampa Telecom development of NA of regional impact. In terms of the existing zoning context, uh the approved uses are divided up in
uh sites A through F. In site A, it's approved for a maximum of 7,500 square ft for convenience, retail, gasoline sales with a drive-thru. In site B, it's approved for a car wash. And also um as part of the use mix, site B through F is
approved for medical office, general retail, restaurant, and drive-thru. And the total U for sites B through F is 21,500 square ft. Getting into the proposed modification,
uh no change in use is proposed or no waiverss are requested. Uh the increase is to uh provide an additional 5,722 square ft to the existing 29,000 square
ft, bringing it to a total of 34,722 square ft. The additional 5,000 plus square feet will be directed to site C, which is the basically the uh the only undeveloped partial of the site. And also they're utilizing an additional
area south of site D and C to provide an expanded parking area. In terms of the surrounding uses, uh to give you some context, to the north is Fletcher. To the south is a platted area that will remain vacant and also to the east and
west. Um to the west is a a car wash is under construction. And to the east is existing commercial buildings. Getting into the analysis a little bit here. >> We've lost our >> video. Uh
>> oh, we lost coms. There we go. >> It might have been me. >> Here it comes. >> Please bear with us for a moment. We've lost our video screens up here. So, we can't see what you can see. >> They can't see it either. >> They can't see it. >> Oh, they can't see it either. So, you
>> We do see what you see. That's the problem. There we go. Okay, we're up to the trans we're up to the analysis portion now. I'm going to speak a little bit to the transportation um review that we did. uh the
transportation the network is is basically mitigated by the development of regional impact. When the development of regional impact was approved, there was extensive amounts of mitigation that were required either in the form of improvements or the form of um fees. Um
and it accounted for in that analysis a number of trips in the DRRI itself. there's an equivalency matrix and as long as that matrix uh as long as the trips were accounted for in that matrix it allows
for a change in use based on trip generation. In this case they're proposing to exchange approximately 31,484 ft of some type of office use for 8,000 square ft of retail. And that's pretty
much the way it's been throughout all these sites is they use this equivalency matrix and the DRRi. As long as you're staying within the numbers of that equivalency matrix and with the approved uh trip generation for the DRRi, then the network has already been mitigated
for as part of the DRRI or the development region of impact. In terms of the access improvements, Hillsburg County has jurisdiction over Fletcher in this location. We contacted them uh to discuss this and in their
opinion when they reviewed this, they initially reviewed it as part of a 2008 office project that was on this site before it was reszoned to plan development. Well, it was resoned back then, but before it got reszoned for the retail. When they reviewed that, they
reviewed 79,500 square feet of office. So what they're saying is when it comes in for site engineering, if they don't go past the amount of trip generation that they reviewed in the 79,500 site plan that they would not need any
access improvements. If they do, then they'll seek the access improvements at site engineering. So um there's a condition in here that requires that. So that evaluation and the um equivalency matrix will be reviewed um at site
engineering. So all that would be accounted for at this point. Right now what we're considering is the zoning to facilitate that to happen at site engineering. Next slide in ter deals with the environmental area. Um there's an area
south of the site that's platted as conservation area. Um when we looked into this, we contacted the environmental planning commission and we also contacted Swift MUD and there was an extensive discussion on if the site was wetland, if any setbacks were
required, if any other type of um regulations would be applicable. And what we concluded with EPC and Swift MUD is that the project has already been mitigated. It's essentially property that's approved for development impacts even though no developments proposed for
the property. Therefore, no setbacks are required. And we cross-checked that with SwiftMUD. We cross-cheed it with EPC. Um there's a letter in the record from EPC to that effect. And that's also a portion of that, a snapshot of that is
what's been provided. Um, additionally on the PowerPoint in terms of the comprehensive plan, uh, this was reviewed by planning commission staff. Planning commission staff found it consistent with a comprehensive plan uh, for the city of Temple Terrace.
In terms of the development review committee or the DRC, um, this was also reviewed by the de development review committee. No objections are provided. Um the conceptual plan uh will be reviewed for final site engineering um if this is approved uh again by the DRC
and then that would come back to the council as part of a site plan approval. In terms of our staff findings, what we concluded that we felt that it was compatible with the surrounding uses. I mean effectively there's no use change, so we're only talking about amount of use. So it it's clearly compatible in
terms of the DRRi and the site engineering requirements. They're going to offset any type of transportation um that's going to be generated by the additional square footage. And we agree with the planning commission staffs that uh that the um application is consistent with the comprehensive plan. I'm
available if you have any questions and the applicant is also available if you have any questions of the applicant. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Marita. Does the applicant wish to make a presentation at >> happy to answer questions if >> Okay. Thank you very much. Are there
members of the public who wish to comment on this? Mr. Loe, >> uh, Charles Lo, Terrace Park. Just a quick question. Uh, how in relation to I75, how far is this from I75?
>> Okay. Are there other members of the public who wish to comment? Other members of the public? Okay. This concludes the public comment portion. Um, Mr. from Mara can >> I don't know precisely how far it is but when we if the question is related to
jurisdiction on the roadway when we discussed it with Hillsburg County they said it was their jurisdiction so that's where we left it at >> I'm guessing it's probably a mile mile and a half >> yeah it's not very far so okay council members are there questions council member Fernandez
>> so I just I want to clarify all that this request is doing is asking us to allow a higher square footage than was previously approved. And all right, so that's confirmed. And then I also
want to confirm with the storm water issues because obviously that has been a big concern that residents have after the last two storms where storm water was a problem and as we build on
previous surfaces. Um so to clarify this entire the the space that is allowable for building has already even before there were no buildings there
but planned for the buildings already has the storm water mitigation and storage and containment required for proposed construction. So there will be no change to that. Correct.
>> There may be some change in the actual coverage on the land, but the master storm water plan um accommodates that. It far exceeds what's necessary and it can easily accommodate what's proposed. >> Okay. And I know I know we talked about it at the previous, but I just want to
bring it up so that people understand that that is a consideration. and anything else with the with traffic patterns or trip generation or anything like that is going to come before us at
a future meeting. Correct. >> The site plan will come back to you. Um I I can tell you that in terms of the the impacts that were um evaluated and mitigated as part of the development of regional impact for telecom, I think they're only approaching somewhere in
the vicinity of 60 or 70% and the likelihood is that they'll never attain um the the impacts that they're approved for in terms of the network. Um the other part of the transportation would be the access management and that's the
piece that um we'll work with Hillsburg County on to validate that there isn't any additional improvement maybe to a potential turn lane or something like that that's needed as a result. Um but again if if it doesn't exceed the trip generation that would that it was approved for when it was reviewed for
the 79,500 ft Hillsburg County does not want to see it. >> Thank you. I mean they'll look at it but they they won't have any you know additional uh improvements. Thank you. >> I think the petitioner sir did you want
to respond? No. Okay. Are there other questions for staff or the petitioner? Okay. Seeing none. Thank you. Mr. Maro, I will close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read. Is that where I am? >> Yes. I'm going to ask the clerk to read
the title of the ordinance. I lost myself there. An ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, approving a zoning reclassification amendment for two plan development parcels totaling 2.3 acres
plus or minus of property consisting of two folios 1 19954.0732 and 1-554.07 0734 generally located at the southeast corner of Tampa Telecom Drive and
Fletcher Avenue for RZP25-02 providing for amendment of the official zoning atlas map of the city providing for severability providing for correction of typographical errors repealing all
ordinance or parts of ordinances in conflict here with prov providing for an effective date. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Is there a motion? >> Move to approve a first reading ordinance to amend the planning planned development zoning district of Woodstoark Plaza Woodstoark Plaza RCP
25-02. >> Second motion second discussion is a motion. Seeing none, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Opposed? No. Uh ordinance is adopted on first reading and will appear for a second reading of public hearing on
Tuesday, February 3rd, 2026. Okay. Our next item is a second public hearing and second reading of ordinance 1588 amending the future land use of a parcel of land located south of Telina
Lane east of North 78th Street north of Lake Isle Drive and west of Cedar Drive from residential 9 to residential 18 otherwise known as CPA-20-02. We'll open the public hearing and city
planner Mr. Marita is here to explain. >> Good evening again. Joe Mur Community Development. Uh Mayor Ross just pretty much touched on um the particulars. It's a it's a small scale amendment, three acres. Uh Miss Unika Mills is here from the planning commission just to provide
a a brief up and then after her I'm going to speak to some of the questions that uh the council had regarding storm water that uh we said that we would come back with some uh response to after Yikica speaks. >> Very good. Thank you. Welcome, Unique Mills. >> Thank you for your patience tonight.
>> Hi, uh, Yanika Mills, Planning Commission staff. Uh, at the December 16th, uh, council meeting, planning commission, uh, staff recommended that TTCPA 2002 be found consistent with the Temple Terrace comprehensive plan uh, for a
change to residential 18 based on the following goals, objectives, and policies. Policy 1.1.6 six within the comprehensive plan which identifies the subject site as being within an urban area. Uh policy 1.4.6 which states to foster different residential living
choices. Uh we also found uh the change to be consistent with goal 2 which states to achieve a well balanced combination of residential, non-residential, recreational as well as public uses u while also preserving the neighborhood uh character within Temple
Terrace. We also found the request to change the future land use designation to residential 18 consistent with objective 8.3 policies 8.3.1 and 8.3.7 which speak to all new development and redevelopment having public facilities
in place to serve it. Also found it consistent with housing policy 1.2.6 which encourages a greater variety of housing types to diversify yet maintain compatibility with single family neighborhoods. Um, and I stand for any questions that you may have uh
regarding this. This item is up for uh final vote by council this evening. >> Thank you, Miss Mills. Let's get Mr. Marray to finish and then we'll have public comment and then if you don't mind sticking around um for for questions afterwards. >> Thank you, Unika. Council members, at the at the last
hearing, we spoke a lot about um site design and especially the storm water. Um I I just wanted to clarify that what's before us tonight is a comp plan amendment. So at this point we don't have any specific site design. Um, as a
followup to last to the last meeting, um, I I I reached out to, uh, to Jason Warfelts and we had a discussion over it and essentially in layman terms, what we concluded is that when the site goes through the
engineering review, the area will not experience uh, you know, any worse flooding than it has. It won't correct any of the existing deficiencies, however. So any resulting storm water as a result of any development on the site
um will not worsen that that that issue uh in the in the vicinity. um also reached out to uh Miss Linda Darwish who I believe is in attendance tonight um and sent her that email and we also provided which this is something that
Jason would need to speak to but we also provided um the development bullet points that pretty much touch the engineering standards um for which this will be reviewed. It isn't a closed basin. It would be a cup for cup review.
Um it's an 100year flood plane. Um, swift mud relies or requires flood plane based on best available information not limited to FEMA maps. So, we're getting into a lot of engineering that Jason would likely have to speak to. Um, it also indicates a storm water design must
be for a 100-year storm event. Flood plane compensation as I said um provided for fill impacts between um must be cut for cup. It has a lot of you know uh metrics in here which to be honest with you I'm not totally familiar with like
EL 33.81 81. Um but uh if you would like a more detailed um engine, you know, engineering metric explanation, um Jason's available. Um I guess the easiest way to say it in layman terms is
that when the site's development, it won't make anything worse, but it's not going to improve any existing deficiencies. >> Okay. Well, we'll get to that if the discussion goes that way then. >> And I'm available for any other questions you might have. Thank you. >> Okay. We do have some members of the public who wish to speak. I have one
current from I'm sorry, Renee, and I can't make out the last name. >> Mson. >> Mincson. Okay. Well, welcome, ma'am. You're recognized. Good evening. >> Good evening. >> Happy New Year. >> Happy New Year to you all, too. Um, thank you for your time. Uh, of course,
as being, uh, president of the HOA in Meadowwood, do have a lot of concerns considering the flooding issues, as I expressed last month. um two sides of their property with whatever gets done is adjacent to very
closely to some of our residential area that did sustain uh some flooding area after Milton. Also, what is also adjacent to that is our lift station. So, there's another reason for our concerns regarding the flooding in uh
possibilities of another 100redyear storm or just worse storms as we have. Um, aside from that, some of the additional concerns within the area, I don't know if there's any other residents from any of the other neighborhoods. This property is closer
towards Bullard Parkway than it is to Harney. Um, in the last 5 to seven years, the increase of traffic on 78th Street has been substantially increased after the Amazon uh center was built.
Yes, that's towards the other end of Harney, not as close, but you have a number of employees on three different shifts that go through there and it cuts down 78. That has increased the 78th street traffic. The development that
Florida College had uh sold the property for the golf course. Uh fortunately we got a lot less residential homes over there than what was originally projected but still that has come along not only increased the traffic on Bullard but
also on 78th Street very very much so. uh the storage facility that was built adjacent to part of Meadowwood, not only has that increased with traffic for employees, but alo for the truckings uh deliveries to that because they cut
down that way. Anytime if there's a traffic jam on Bullard, that's a shortcut to get back to Hornney on 78th. So the now we also have the VA medical clinics that have also entrance off of Harinat.
So that's going to create more traffic. The not only is the traffic greater over along there, but the speeding is as what the other residents may have had duplicate that. I don't know is the ruling for Temple
Terrace from the curb to the property is it 8 feet that the city has owns. Okay. Like from the curb on 78th Street to where their property begins. Is there
are they responsible from the curb property up or does Temple Terrace take care of at least I know in the city of Tampa it's like about 14 ft that they still maintain. Um, right now if that's the case, it's not maintained very well
on that end. We're not on a golf course. We're not on the river. We're on the other end that doesn't get looked at very very um friendly. Sometimes if you drive down there now, the traffic is increased. People just throwing crap out the
windows. There's nobody that comes along and helps pick that up except for like in our development, our maintenance person and possibly development on the other side. The other concern along there with the traffic is sidewalks. There's no sidewalks. It's a very dangerous and right now if you go down
there, you can barely even see the yellow lines that go down. There's a lot of concerns with adding 54 units. There's only going to be one way for them to get in and out and that's on to that end of 78th Street which is like
I said fairly close to that. Now we have 341 units and when it was built in 75 the beginning of it everybody pretty much just drove one car in their family. That does not happen today.
A family has two cars. If they got kids they don't ride buses anymore. Parents like to buy cars. So you got 10 what? If you've got 54, you got 108 vehicles in addition going in and out of that end of
78th Street. These are a lot of things to take into consideration in allowing it to increase that volume. And we're talking about 3 acres of land. We just saw 2.3 acres with all they wanted to do. And looking at that, they showed a lot of drainage ponds over there. I
don't see how that's going to happen. They don't even have an idea of what type of structure are they town houses are they row homes what what is being built to me approving something to go forward with something like that without
some additional knowledge considering all the factors is something that I think the council really should you know take into consideration. Um like I said I'm speaking for Meadowwood. I'm not speaking for Orange Park that is
adjacent around there to that whole area that suffer from the traffic that's already increased along there. So, I thank you for your time and appreciate >> Thank you, Miss Mincson. Are there other members of the public who wish? Well, I've got one comment. So, okay. Um Karen
Mahowski. >> Good evening. >> Happy New Year. >> Madame Clerk, I need you to set the timer, please. Uh Karen Mahalski, Temple Terrace. Um this is a uh I don't know what it was a
CPR, but when it was in 2020, I was very much in support of this. Yes, of course, this lady has very much valid uh reasons, but the reason why I was supporting this as an environmental advocate is because we're using it's close to the heart route. So that means we can double uh the uh development and
we are in the urban. This is where we want to have development and this is where the temple terrace we can offer additional housing and if we could get heart and change it maybe to a triple then this is even going to improve it and yes we're going to always have storm we're going to have driving and all
these but what this offers is it offers options for people if we look at route 48 which is our great bus route you can go from the net transfer park and then you can pick this up at this location you can go to the VA hospital you can
Amazon. You could go to get dropped off at Fowler and go shopping at Publix. You could go eat dinner. You could go to Moffett. So, this is really a great location for somebody who that can't drive. They could get to Moffet Cancer. They could get to the VA centers, both
of them. They could get to grocery stores. They could get they could have a part-time job or something at Amazon. They could work at Publix. This is something that really offers our community and bringing more people into our community. Yes, of course we have to solve our driving and our speeding and
our flood, but homes and having availability where everyone feels they're in control of their options and they have several options of having a great life and being part of our community. This is something that I think that we really should support. Thanks.
>> Thank you, Miss Mahowski. Are there other members of the public who wish to comment on this item? Miss Renie? Yeah, I didn't sign in, but I spoke the last time >> at Renie 9512 Woodland Village Drive
again. I've had several units back in Meadowwood when it rains hard or when we had the storms that summer. People had water in their houses, they had water in their driveways, they had water in their coming up to their
houses. To put more um cement or stuff down where the land doesn't percolate makes no sense. It just makes no sense. whatsoever. This is not a good idea.
Thanks. >> Are there other members of the public who wish to comment? >> Mayor, can I just clarify something? I want to make sure this is clear. >> Nothing is being approved to be built tonight. What this is is what I guess in
the easiest way of saying it is what would be allowed to be built there, right? This isn't so nothing's being built. All good concerns and those concerns would come up if someone comes in and says, "Hey, we want to develop this right now." I just want to make
sure you understand this is just a vote on what can be allowed to vote there. They're changing that from nine units an acre to 18. That's what they're asking. >> Okay. Keep you've already spoken, ma'am. This is not back and forth. Are there other members of the public who wish to
comment on this? Okay. Mr. Maro. >> Yes, sir. >> Um, council members, are there questions for staff or from planning commission staff? Council member Kravitz, >> I have a question for you, Mr. Moro. Um,
I I noted in the report that uh staff and the planning commission both uh encouraged approval of this. Um, and I was wondering if you could explain one point to me that seems a little um confusing. Uh the minimum gross lot area
for townhouse developments is uh I think 10 acres and this is on three. So how how did it come to pass that this uh was approved if it doesn't meet that requirement? >> That's one typology that's allowed. There's other it allows multif family.
So in terms of a town home project, they'd have to have a 10acre minimum or they'd have to seek a waiver of that with the site plan. um if they seek the other typologies, it didn't have that uh minimum in there in the code. >> So they they sought a waiver and that was that was >> No, no, no, no. There's no project
before us. There's no typology before us. But if they seek that typology, then that 10acre minimum would would be required. But it also allows multif family. That's for town owns. >> Oh, okay. So, so what you're telling me then is in the future they would need to
get a waiver or they would need to build town homes. >> No, they if they build town homes they would need the waiver. They build multif family then that wouldn't apply. >> Okay. So, in all likelihood what we'll see coming down is multif family development for that location because
they probably won't want to get a waiver. >> That would be a question for the applicant. >> Yeah. Um, okay. I yield. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Vice Mayor. >> So, would you walk us through, please,
for everybody's edification because the city attorney was correct. You kind of took words out of my mouth, but you did a better job. So, thank you. Would you walk us through the next steps assuming that the petitioner wanted to develop this? Assuming this were approved.
>> Sure. >> What steps would remain for a project to potentially be approved? >> The next step would be for them to file for a site plan that would be reviewed in accordance with land development code and the technical manuals. Um as part of
that um they would have to meet well in terms of the zoning side they'd have to develop within their three-dimensional box which would be height set back any types of you know buffering things of that sort. they'd be reviewed in engineering for transportation. Um they you know potentially would have to uh
you know provide um some type of improvements on that both on access improvements obviously internal the site um they would be reviewed as we spoke to earlier for any type of uh storm water.
Um if there's any type of wetland that are on the site of that sort that would also have to you know provide appropriate setbacks. They would have to delineate. they'd have to be reviewed by APC as well. Um so that would be the next step and then
that site plan um the council's expressed an interest in seeing it. Um the site plan would be brought back to the council for review subsequent to the DRC review. So at the the site plan review that would be the the hearing that this
council in conjunction with staff would work this up and then this council would be concerned. This is where we would be talking about issues like traffic impacts um storm water mitigation to ensure that it's gallon for gallon of storm they're
capturing all their own storm water. Um that would be the point in this process for that. >> Yes sir. At that point we would have an engineered plan. We would have engineers reviewing it. We would have planners reviewing it. And we would have a um you
know static tangible uh project before us that we could respond to specific questions. So we would know trip generation, we would know the type of mitigation for that specific metric. Um we would know more about the you know the amount of drainage that's required. we know what the density is because
right now we know that it's going to double from 18 to 9. So we know the densification is going to allow potentially more um than the existing comp plan. Um but we don't know what that number will be. So we'll know at that point. One thing I would also add
is that if they stick with the existing zoning and don't reszone this, um, they're they're going to be held to an approximate 30% coverage ratio and that's not going to change. So even though the density is changing, the coverage is not changing because the
district isn't changing. If they do a PD or they do some other type of zoning, then they'd have to come back and do that zoning and then get into the site plan process, which the council would also have discretion over that matter as well. >> Okay. So, Mr. City attorney, kind of a
question for you, and I don't want to put you on the spot, but So, um I don't want to, but I'm gonna So, at this point in the process, we're asking to to amend the future land use
of this property. There's a lot of things that have to be answered that don't get answered at this stage. >> I know that every step in the process, these county commission, city councils, contrary to public belief, we can't just
say no for any reason that we want. We have to have a legal reason to say no to something. What would the legal rejection ration be at this stage in the process? Because obviously it can't be things that we're
not yet confronted with like traffic and storm water and lot coverage and all. I mean, we can't be speculating about what might come to us in the future. So, what could a body how could a body turn this down?
Well, it would just I guess it would be if you guys would if this council would decide that that would be too dense that they wouldn't you would not be in favor of that type of potential density um from going from 9 to 18. I can't think of anything specifically because
usually the site uh the comprehensive plan amendments once they've been through the planning commission who have vetted it out would you know I think that would be usually where a lot of these issues would rise up. I can't think of anything specifically other than whether the council here
thought that this was not a good idea and would not want to go to that density >> that Mr. Marita, I >> I was just going to offer that at this point there isn't any detail because it's not a project. Um
the applicant hasn't offered any any type of reasonzoning to accompany this. I mean that that is an option. I don't think you could speak to the applicant about that. Um but at this point it's a comp plan amendment. So it's just essentially 18 units per acre. Um in terms of an area, you know, that's
appropriate for densification. We know it's in a multimodal area. Um, but it also has other things that obviously will have to be mitigated for terms of the additional transportation that might stem from this. We don't know what those numbers are because we don't have a site plan or any type of storm water. We know
what the standard is of review, but we can't tell you, you know, more specifics other than that because we don't know how much of the project's going to be covered. Um, so as of right now, what we have before us is a comp plan amendment without a specific plan. Um,
and the only way to get, you know, additional information, um, would be to obviously get some type of plan before you that accompanies this. And, you know, I don't know what the applicant has at mind down the road, but it might not be a bad idea to let them speak as well, so they can get whatever they want
on the record in terms of, you know, their perspective on their application. >> Well, that's coming. So, in fact, um, that's a good segue. I don't know would the representative of the petitioner, Good evening, sir. Do you have and you share with us at this point what you want to share with
us, but I just don't think you would be here if you didn't have some idea what you were going to build. Um, do you want to share that with us? >> So, good evening. Happy. My name is Terawa. I am representing the applicant >> for this uh amendment. Um, at this time,
uh, kind of like we talked about the typology, we're not exactly sure what type of development within the existing zoning that we want to build at this time. And, uh, obviously once we make that decision, we're going to come back in front of you guys and submit a site
plan or if you want to reszone, we're going to submit a reasonzoning application. But truly at this time, we don't know. Um we're obviously not seeking any exceptions or deviances at this time. Uh but but truly at this time we're we're not aware. We're aware of
the concerns on the site. So we will have to you know uh look at this engineerically and and really create a good plan that's viable for us and also the community. But at this time we're not exactly sure. >> Thank you. Council members questions. Council member Kravitz.
>> Thank you for coming by and for answering our questions. I appreciate it. Um, my question to you is that would you agree as a person who is involved in real estate, I'm assuming that generally when you go for more density, you're putting in more units and the goal of
that is to have smaller units which can then be rented out at a greater profit, more doors, more tenants. Is that what you're angling for here? >> Not necessarily. It's really it's really up to my dad and his partner on what
they want to build. At this point, it's just a CPA application. So, we want to be able to build, you know, have the R18 density to potentially build that uh density that we want, but um obviously we're constrained with the existing setbacks under the zoning designation.
And so, um you know, ideally, we'd want to fit as many units as we can. Um, but you know, it's really a matter of of what works and what's best for our product and uh the community. >> So, why not build within the uh current
specifications? >> Uh, cuz we're seeking R18. We want to we want to build more um if it's if it's viable. And as it's been stated a couple times that this CPA application was found or it's recommended to be consistent with the comp plan. And so
one of the things that like you could deny this project on if it wasn't consistent with the adjacent uses or uh consistent with the comp plan, but based on the comp plan policies that were stated, you know, I think there is a lot of arguments in our favor for that um you know, approving this this CBA
application. Well, I my impression is from what the city attorney I'm going to get to a question in a moment. My impression is from the city attorney that we have to decide whether we want that much density or not. And so that goes back to the question that I just asked you. Why wouldn't you want to simply build within
the existing requirements because as as I noted in the report, this has been idle for 5 years. >> Yeah, we just want more units. But a minute ago, and I apologize. People often accuse me of cross-examining
people, so I do apologize for this, but it really is just that I listen very carefully to what people say or try to. You said a moment ago, you don't know what you're going to build, but now you're telling me what it sounds like is you want to build the maximum number of units. >> No, I'm saying that we want to build more units, not saying that I know I'm
going to build more units. There's a difference. Well, if I want to build more units, it doesn't mean that I have a plan ready and I know the next steps to do it, but I wouldn't have the option to do so. >> Okay. But if you didn't want to do it, why would you want the option?
>> It's s like like at this point, we want to have the option available, but like I said, there are concerns on site, so we don't know exactly how many units we're going to be able to put in there, but we want the option available to us. >> Okay. So, walk me through this. I'm sorry for belaboring the point. Let's go
back five years. You filed for this application. Um, explain to me, help me understand why in the 5-year period didn't you build something on that property? >> Well, this application wasn't even approved in this 5-year period,
obviously, because we're we're back here today. Uh, so up until that point, you know, we would want this approved before we built. Uh, and just to be honest, I don't think we made those steps necessary to build on the site. There was just delays and such. Um, and I
think the the owners of the property got busy with other things and they just weren't able to. >> Is it possible that you're looking for an upzoning on this property, not in order to build, but so that you can sell it at a profit because a property zoned for higher density is worth more than
one that isn't? >> Not Not that I'm aware of. >> You have no plans to sell this property? Not that I'm aware of. >> Okay. So, why why didn't you build the um R9? Why didn't you build the R9 when you
had this property years and years ago? Why did it lieow for so long? Unbuilt, unused, unloved? Because we see we see an opportunity to potentially build more units. And you know based on the you know things that were stated today that
the adjacent uses are you know to the south and east of the site are R are18 they are multif family. Um and then you know based on that we find it cons we hope you find it consistent with the comp plan but in terms of the engineering design of the site we're
going to come back and obviously submit a plan for that. >> So my but like I said before obviously we we see this as an opportunity. We want to build more units if we can. >> My my takea away from this from my line of questioning from the answers I've gotten is you had an opportunity five
years ago to build R9. You made an application 5 years ago to increase the zoning. You didn't know what you wanted to build back then, but you must have known back then that you wanted more density. Then you went ahead and waited 5 years. Now this is coming back alive.
Um but you still don't know what you want to build or at least you're not willing to commit to it publicly. Is there anything here that you want to correct in my in my takeaway from this? >> Uh I I believe that we did not submit any application for a reasonzone.
>> Um I'm pretty sure you did. Uh this was submitted in 2020. I think that's when the planning commission >> formal resone. >> A formal reszone was submitted in 2020. >> You tell me. >> That's what the files say. >> Okay. Well, so at this point I can speak
for what we plan to do right now that we're not seeking a reasonzoning application. So if we're going to come back and reszone the site, we'll obviously submit an application, work with staff, and come and sit in front of you. But at this point, we want to increase the density of the site. You
know, we see as opportunity. Um we have no plans at this moment to sell it if this does get approved. But uh in terms of why there was a delay uh you know people I I I'm not you know the owner of the site but I believe they
were busy. They got other things in their lives and uh it got kind of pushed on the back burner. >> Thank you for your time and your answers. I yield. >> Are there other questions for staff or the petitioner? Vice Mayor at risk of beating this to death. If
yard the the the R9 is consistent, the R18 is consistent, right? Either one is consistent with the comp plan. Is that true, Mr. Marita? >> Yes. >> It's consistent if you find it consistent and adopted. >> I'm just saying there's no leaving it at
R9 is not is not an issue per se. >> The R18, yes, sir. The R18 was evaluated. Um, it was, uh, evaluated by planning commission staff, sent to their commission. They voted on it. Um, and they found it consistent. Uh, we looked
at it as well. We transmitted it to different review agencies. We got no negative responses. Um, most of the responses were we'll look at it at um, site engineering. The only deficiency that I can recall that was pointed out um, was related to heartline. There was
a deficiency there. five years ago and that efficiency is existing now. Um uh so you know the only way to answer any questions about specific impacts is going to be with a site plan. Um and you know essentially the site plan
will be designed to the standards that every site plan's designed to. And presumably um if that those standards work then the transportation will be mitigated, storm water will be mitigated and you know any other things that are out there for example like environment
etc will be mitigated. Um that's the way the standards work. >> I I I guess my question is trying to looking at some kind of guard rails on on the the future pathway for this. >> Uh an R9 would have left it a certain way and R18 makes it potentially bigger.
How will we be impacting future councils for whenever this would come back? Be it this year or next year or the year after how would that you know I I I know the numbers that it's going to do. I mean I realize that but uh you would a future council be able to say no
we don't want that kind of density even by by making allowing this change to go forward as far as the comp plan goes. I know we're not changing the zoning. We're not changing anything to that. We're just saying that this is one step in the process. It can still be rejected, but at that point it would it
would require empirical testimony, I would imagine, in order for it to be changed. >> Excuse me. I'm sorry. I I think there are two things in play now. One of them is that the Temple Terrace Land Development Code doesn't have a density in it. So the
density is regulated by the plan. So in a way going from R9 to R18 is in a sense it's very similar to a resoning. So and when it's a standard district zoning temple terrace adopt something like that then the fallback is to rely on the
development standards. Um if the development standards um if there's a question about that and the council feels like there's more input and scrutiny that's necessary before they can make a decision. I I I suppose
there's also another option of of asking the applicant to um a either produce a site plan or or accompany the comp plan amendment with a plan development. So, you know, in terms of how that may influence decision- making, then that
would put it squarely before this board and not, you know, put it beyond this point in time to any future boards. But that's not what's before us tonight. And that's why I said maybe the applicant wants to speak to that because I think that at this point I mean there's a large question about um that can't be
answered about it because we don't have the data. >> Thank you. >> I hope that answered your question >> as close as you could. Jim, >> sorry member chambers and council member. >> Uh thank you mayor. Um question for staff.
uh real quick in your presentation that you uh gave us uh uh last meeting and then in your back in our backup I want to clarify the property to the north is residential 9. >> Yes, sir. I believe so. >> Property to the uh west is residential
9. >> Let me double check that. Okay. Okay, >> I want you to >> Okay, I got the colors now. >> Okay, >> the property to the north is nine. >> The property to the um east is
>> is 18. >> 18 >> and to the uh south is 18. >> 18 >> and to the west is nine. >> Correct. So, it's right in the middle of either 9 or 18s already. Correct. >> Yes. To the north is is 9 and then 12.
>> Okay. That's all I wanted to know. Thank you. >> Thank you. I'm sorry. I was having to get through the colors here, >> Council Member Fernandez. So I think there's some confusion maybe about what the action is that we can take today and
that is that just because if council approves this and the it's moved from R9 to R18 that doesn't mean the site itself will allow the density that the R18
designation would allow. So then is for all of our knowledge when when this does come back in front of council when a site plan at at whatever point the property owner decides they are ready to build and produce a site plan. That site
plan is going to have to be designed within the constraints of the property itself. which means that it's very possible that given the site and drainage requirements or setbacks etc
that an R18 actual density isn't even available to build here. So, I think for me, I'm I'm not against this change um because I believe that the concerns
will be addressed at the time when something is going to be built there um because I know that it'll be constrained by the site. So, I just want to make sure that that analysis is correct. >> Yes, is correct. Yes, ma'am.
>> Thank you. >> Other questions? Council Member Kravitz, >> I actually have a motion to make. I I thought it was uh I think Miss Mson spoke extremely persuasively to me. Um I'd like to make a motion that we table this until the applicant can bring forward a business plan that will give us some guidance on how he actually
plans to use this property. I think he should come back with something a little bit more concrete before we simply u give him the uh give him this upzoning um without knowing at all what is going to go there. So that that would be my
wish here. I think that it's reasonable to ask some general idea of what exactly is going to be built there, why he wants this, and I didn't hear any answers that gave me any comfort tonight with respect to that. So I yield.
>> So there's a motion. >> Is there a second to the motion? >> Okay, motion dies. Are there further questions or another motion? >> Yes, we're out of order because we need to close the public hearing if we're going to go into motions. But >> if I can, I should I think it's
important I clarify something I said earlier that may have led people to believe that oh, if you don't want this to uh change to R18, you know, if you don't want that density, you're going to have to have a factual basis if you decide that you don't want to do that. I it isn't a matter of we don't want it. I
want to make sure you've have evidence here. Um I just don't want to make, you know, lead anyone to believe that it's just a matter of whether the city council wants it or not. There's evidence that was presented. You'd have to, you know, if if you decided not to go with it, you'd have to state the
reasons why you wouldn't want it to go to R18. >> Okay. Council, we're still at the question stage. If you're ready to move on, I'll close the hearing >> and open it up for the Yes. The petitioner. You may have the last word. Yes, sir. >> Uh, I just want to say that we there is
not no idea of what we're going to build cuz obviously there's cent certain typologies that are required and allowed under the zoning designation that we're not proposing to change at this time. So, there's not no idea, but you know, just like we spoke of earlier that, you know, multif family is a use, uh, town
homes is a use, but you know, we're not meeting that 10acre requirement. I'm not fully aware of what the other typologies are under the zoning designation, but you know, it's not like it's uh you know, we could come in and build something that's not, you know, within that zoning designation.
>> Point of inquiry here. Are we still in a back and forth or is this what is this? >> We are still in the hearing. So, if you have questions for the petitioner, you you can have the floor. Sure. >> I appreciate that. Thank you. So now now I feel like my questions previously were not truthfully answered because if you
if you have this idea now now I'm hearing that you do know what you want to build there but you're kind of playing it close to the chest and that makes me a little unhappy. Um so I I just I want to give you one more opportunity. Can you please tell us what what exactly is your state of thinking right now with respect to this property?
>> I uh I I'm sorry. I guess I misunderstood you. I thought we were under the same page that like you know with the typologies that are allowed under the zoning designations what you know you're asking me what we're going to build um you know I'm not sure what in terms of town homes multif family what it's going to look like but
currently right now the plan is to build under the existing zoning which is what I stated previously >> the existing zoning being R9 >> no it's I think it's zone RMF so multif family >> residential yeah so you have a plan to
build something now, but you're coming now. I'm completely confused. So, if you have a plan to build something under the existing zoning, why are you asking for a change? >> No. Well, we're seeking a maybe there's some confusion. >> This isn't a reszoning. This is a comp plan amendment. This is to change the
underlying future land use map that would allow >> certain, you know, increased density. >> Yeah. He just said this isn't a res. He said he has density. He's asking for higher density. Yeah. So maybe Joe wants to explain it, but there's a difference between your
future land use and your zoning designation. We're not proposing any change to the zoning designation at this time. We're only proposing to change the future land use from R9 to R18. >> I yield the floor. And by the way, Mr. City Attorney, I had the floor there where you interrupted me. So for the
future, thank you very much. I yield I yield the floor. Thank you very much. >> Okay. Um, are there further questions before I close the hearing? Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Maro. I'm going to close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the
title of the ordinance. An ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, amending the imagine 2040 Temple Terrace comprehensive plan future land use map for a parcel of land located south of Telina Lane, east of
North 78th Street, north of Lake Isle Drive and west of Cedar Drive, consisting of approximately 3.0 0 plus or minus acres by changing the future land use designation on said property
from residential 9 to residential 18 for CPA 20-02 providing for amendment of the official future land use map of the city providing severability providing an effective date repealing all ordinances
or parts of ordinances in conflict here Yeah. >> Thank you, Madame Clerk. And I will ask for everybody's patience before we enter into the motion and discussion, which I assume is going to take a little while. A council member has asked for a 5m minute recess. So, we will take a recess
and then we'll begin the discussion. It's 8:23. in session. Um the clerk has read the title of the ordinance. We are at the point now to entertain motions if the ordinance is acceptable. Is there a motion? Um, I move on to approve on second
public hearing and second reading of ordinance 1588 amending the future land use of a parcel of land located south of Telina Lane, east of North 78th Street, north of Lake Isle Drive and west of Cedar Drive from residential 9 to
residential 18, also known as CPA-20-02. >> There is a motion. Is there a second? >> Second. Motion in a second. Discussion of the motion. Council member Travitz. >> So, I've voted yes on this the last time it came up on December 16th. And I think
it really shows how much you miss when you're not on the ground looking at exactly what's going on in a given area. And sometimes that can lead to decisions being made that aren't in the best interest of the city. And I think Miss
Mson and her u friends there brought some incredibly relevant points forward and also Miss Renie who also spoke previously about the drainage issues, but now I've heard them confirmed by other people as well. Um and and it's really our political decision up here whether we want to have more density in
Temple Terrace. And as I was just telling Miss Mson during the break, we had um 1,400 new apartments zone in Temple Terrace in the last five or 6 years and only about 300 new single family homes. And so we have to be very careful about increasing density in
Temple Terrace without regard for what that means for all the people who live here. Uh the impact that it has on the roads, the impact that it has on our services, the impact that it has on the people who have been living here and expect a certain kind of neighborhood. And um I heard Miss Mson's concerns and
I think um she brought to light a number of really salient points that were not in the staff report and they've changed my mind on this. So, I'm a no vote now on this and I encourage everyone up here to give this the due scrutiny and criticism that it probably deserves and which we might have missed on the first reading. And I also think this shows why
it is so critical that we go through the proper legislative process for these things every time because many things come up only after a second reflection and going through things slowly and methodically is uh really valuable. So, I yield my time. Thank you.
>> Any comments on the motion? All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> Opposed? >> Nay. >> Nay. Motion passes on second reading. Okay. Very good. Any carryover council business.
Okay. I do have council member Chambers has says he has some new business. >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Uh council members, members of the audience. Um, we we've talked about the history of the uh well, half my audience has gone away.
Um, we talked about the history of Temple Terrace and there's I want to bring up a hidden gem in Temple Terrace and that's the hallway that's right outside of City Hall which is our city hall art gallery. And today we had a change in show. And I want to thank Mike
Knap, artist uh that had his work displayed for the last 3 months. And we now have a new display uh up in that hallway art gallery. And that's uh by an artist Arnold Martinez. He's a very well-known uh artist in Tampa. U mostly
works of old Tampa and Eore City. Uh and it's uh his different mediums. And you wouldn't notice if you go look at it. Uh, he uses acrylic paint, regular paint, coffee, tea, extract of tobacco, wine, and beer. And those are what he paints with.
>> I like those ones. >> Yeah, >> those are the best ones. >> Anyway, Mr. Martinez has been deceased. U, but his works are presented by his son, Arnold Jr., who's a resident of Temple Terrace. So, it's a great uh display out there. Look at it on your
way out. Please go one more hall over and look at it on your way out. And members of the public, please come to city hall and look at this gallery. It's amazing art that we have in there. >> Thank you, council member. And and thank you for all the work that you dedicate to making this happen. So appreciate
that. >> Other new business or board reports? Council member Kravitz. >> Quick question to the city manager. Um the uh Shirley Drive speed bump petition that we dealt with at one point, has there been any movement on that? I've received reports that there hasn't been. No, it's it's ongoing. It's I believe it
met the requirements for the petition. It's being reviewed by engineering. We'll bring something back to you at this a future meeting. >> Do you know when roughly? >> February. In February, one of the meetings in February. >> Okay. Thank you. I'll make a note. >> That's all.
>> Anything else? >> New business. New business. Board. >> I have some questions for the city manager, but >> let's do that question for him during >> it's his report. Yeah. I have a couple items of new business real quick. I want to congratulate our vice mayor, Gil Schistler, on his election to the heart
as chairman of the heart board. Uh, congratulations. Careful what you ask for. Um, I also want to let the council know that at the next council meeting, we will be uh there will be on the agenda to elect
the vice mayor for this year. and at the following meeting, which would be the first meeting in February, would be on the agenda for the board appointments for the year. Um, we're probably one meeting behind what we should have been, but that's my fault. So, um, that will
happen at the next two meetings. And the last thing I wanted to mention is I I will be going to Tallahassee for uh the League of Cities Legislative Days later this month, January 26 through 28th as the representative for FLC and as the
president of the Sun Coast League of Cities. I'll be up there for session. If the council wishes to adopt legislative priorities, we have one more council meeting before uh before that and I
would have an opportunity to advocate for the city's priorities uh if you choose to adopt any. Um so otherwise I'll be advocating for Sunost League's priorities and Florida League's priorities which are very similar. Uh
just for a point of reference they're the Sun Coast League's priorities are only two and that is the preservation of meaningful streams of income for local governments and uh resiliency storm resiliency um infrastructure
uh hardening that kind of stuff about beach reourishment sewer lift stations water quality those kinds of things. Those are the two priorities for the Sun Coast League. Florida League has a few more. they act they mirror that. Um obviously property tax is going to
dominate this session. Um so any event I don't have any this council's not adopted any temple terrace priorities but if you want to we have one more meeting for you to propose that. >> Okay. >> A complete list of all the bills proposed.
>> Oh my gosh. How much time do you have? Yeah. Yeah. They're up to I don't know seven or 800 now. There was a lot of a lot were filed this week. Um, >> I haven't seen anything this week. >> Yeah, there's been some new ones filed this week. It's It's really kind of hard to keep up with. >> They haven't come up with anything else.
The the League of Cities hasn't said anything about sovereign immunity issues. >> Oh, yeah. That's one of the one of them. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's one of them. Yeah, that's Florida League, not Sun Coast League. >> Usually they're Sun Coast League and Florida League are usually fairly in alignment, but Sun Coast there may be
some unique things um >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. because they're unique to this region as opposed to Miami here. >> So, >> I do I have a question for you about >> the the property tax proposals that are
at at the state level right now. And so I I understand the principle behind it, >> but how how could we advocate or how could we I I see both sides and I understand what people are saying about renting their
home versus u owning it outright. Like you buy a cup from the gas station and you don't pay tax on it year after year. But the property taxes that we pay are basically the fee for the service that the city provides. Police, fire, parks,
wreck, road, you know, well, roads, a mix, but um and it's calculated based on the value of property that someone owns. Um, so I I I see both sides. and how how
would we go about showing the financial impact because I don't think that we as a city have a lot of waste. I think we're pretty careful. I mean, I know that
there's always it's not impossible or it is impossible to remove all waste from any kind of government spending, but I think generally speaking, our budget process, we're pretty careful. So, we're a good example of what would
happen if you change or if you remove a full income stream, especially because we're highly residential. But anyway, I just I didn't know how the best way would be to go about presenting
basically a clear case of here's here is what would happen. We're not complaining. Oh, you're dropping our tax revenue now. We're going to have like we we spend on services that people have requested.
Um and h and how would we make up the funding in order to pay for those services? So, I I don't know the answer. >> I don't know the answer to that one either. I I I will I can't really answer that. I can tell you that that the Florida League of Cities has done a
tremendous amount of really good quality work on this. They published a report. Was it called about three weeks ago? I think um that was really I I think this has got to be one of the best work products I've seen FLC produce. This was
really really good. Um, and it goes into a lot of what you're saying in general terms, but it also gets down granular into specific communities and how they vary between the urban and the rural and right because no two cities are really
alike. I mean, I think it's is it Panama Beach, they don't have any property taxes at all because they don't need it. They get it from tourism. But um every every city is a different scenario, but FLC has done a really good job of not only showing the general impacts, but
the but the specific impact. So take a look at that. Um it's we got it a couple weeks ago. So if you search through Cardiff's emails, you'll find it again. Um the Bob Enriquez is the property appraiser here has also done a lot of
analysis to determine how it would affect Hills County and the three cities in Hillsbor County. Um really good product on that. It's very helpful when you get into the ideas of some of the bills. They talk about raising the, you know, homestead exemption or adding
exemptions to it rather than eliminating it. Well, Bob's done property appraiser Henriquez has done a great job of putting those what would that really look like? And so he's he's got quite a bit of work done on that right now. I
mean, my my goal as SLC president, um I'm not empowered to speak for this council yet anyway. My my goal up there um in consultation with our consultants, political
consultants, is you're not it's very unlikely you're going to change anybody's mind up there. You're not going to go in and have meeting with them and say, you know, and change their minds. It's delivering facts, specific facts to say this is how this would impact the
Sunost League region, right? Some of the cities in the Sun Coast League region. This would be the real world impacts of adding another exemption or increasing the homestead exemption or this would be the real and and trying to dispel the I
think erroneous idea that we can just make this up by cutting out all the fraud and waste um and talk about real world impacts because um like I said I can't speak for the city yet because you haven't given me that authority but in terms of the Sun Coast League cities the
33 cities that belong. I can talk about, look, um, you like the standing ovations thing at Treasure Island that brings in all these people every year. Well, that ain't going to happen. You like the Fourth of July parade that happens in Safety Harbor, that ain't going to happen. Um, and these are real world
impacts. These are not just make believe things. So, uh, we have employees that we've try to be generous to in raises. Two of them, two of our employee groups are unionized. So we have contractual obligations about what their raises will be. Our ad voluorum taxes don't even pay
for police and fire much that we're $6 million in a whole and we haven't paid for anything else. That's just police and fire, >> right? >> So um these are real numbers and we don't in my opinion we just don't have Yeah,
you find stuff. Could we I don't know stop having art or what? Yeah, I mean there's always something we could cut but not that much. So anyway, get off my soap box here, but and and I hear what you're saying. I mean, I don't like taxes either,
but what's the what's the alternative to this? >> Right. >> So anyway, um that's next next meeting if you choose to adopt some. And that's all I have unless there's more new business. We'll
move into the city manager report. you have your questions you want to ask me first or >> Well, no, go ahead and give your report. >> Okay. So, I just just to segue on from the last discussion here about the the um the city's positions. I just want to be clear too that um when we had the
government affairs consultant here, it was very evident, I said it like one of the biggest concerns we have is this property tax issue. as as your CEO of your organization. >> Yeah. >> It's $23 million for public safety alone and we only collect 19 and change in terms of tax revenue to support that.
So, um that was a that's the marching orders that I've given the consultant. That is our biggest issue. I've not asked from administrative perspective. I've said look there's no appropriations we're seeking. It's really just to fend off what would be a debilitating impact financially. So, I just want to make sure the council understands it that
I've had those conversations with with the consultant about that. Um, just in terms of items, I just wanted to remind the council and the public that this Thursday morning, uh, here in this room in the chambers, uh, we will have the Riverside Park workshop. It will start
at 9:00 a.m. Uh, the design team will be here, uh, to facilitate that that that workshop for us. Uh, and again, 9:00 a.m. this Thursday, u, January 8th, here in this room. And aside from that, I really don't have anything else. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. I So my question for you has to do with the broken water lines uh south of Bullard. >> Um what caused that break? >> Can I ask Mr. Warrenel to come up and address that issue?
>> The the 4-in pipe that broke for that water is just it's age infrastructure. So during the excavation process, we discovered that there was a previous repair on this line um that was not documented in our in our mapping system.
Um it did not fail at the previous fail. It was farther to the west is where it failed. >> So it's just age. >> It's old. >> It caught that. Okay. Um, so then with the text message system, I know that
there are rules about just pushing text messages out, but is this something I is this something that somebody has to be signed up to receive text messages or can we just push them out when there's a
a boil water notice? >> Sure. So to clarify here, the boil water notice we we put out on social media and we put on the website. Um the text message is uh system is is a subscriptionbased system. We do not have a the county system that the county and
the sheriff's office uses uh public safety uses is is a system that has that's geoence and allows them to send out like a typical like an Amber Alert type of notice. >> That is not something that we can use. um the police department can use it with the with the acquiescence I'm sure of
like the sheriff's office or FDLE perhaps or um for certain specific public safety premises that we we were not able to do that. So, the system that we have is subscriber-based. Um, I don't see Maria Mary. Do you >> Oh, how many subscribers do we have?
>> Um, >> over 2,000. >> So, we have over 2,000 subscribers right now to it. Um, we and we did send out we we did send out the uh the the boil water eventually on the on the textbased system as well. And in fact, it's kind of interesting even though you people
subscribed to it, we had four people that came back and said, "We don't want this anymore." uh even though this was an important message we thought so it but it is subscription based so it's based on on what people want and are willing to receive. >> So they need to so the the short answer
is people in the city need to subscribe that's the only way that we can send that type of message out as important as we know it is through text. through text. Correct. But I just want to make sure we still put things out on social media and Facebook and on the website.
And so there's other avenues, but yes, if people want to get it through text, they need to subscribe, then go on our website and and do that from the um uh am I correct? Yeah. >> Okay. So then the the water our water system I know
that the consultants have been looking at the comprehensive system in in addition to the addition of looking at uh PAS remediation is this as they're looking at our system are they basically analyzing what needs
to be done to replace aging infrastructure make sure that It's got the durability to move into the future. >> Ask Mr. Warren Phillips to better address that. He's been working directly
with them. >> The the request for uh consultant to review the system is only the pump st the two pump stations and the two water treatment plants. So CHA's focus is around those four facilities and then we
added the POS element to the end of that. So, the citywide infrastructure is not part of their evaluation. Um, internally in the utility department, we've had these conversations based on this discovery. Um, I I spoke to our GIS
tech about the analysis of what is in the ground and there are certain components that he can pull from what we have and share with me. He has not done that yet. That was simply a conversation yesterday. So we internally in utilities we are looking at what we have and what
we need to look at in the future. >> It's an excellent question in the sense that and Mr. Warner and I were have talked about this multiple times. You know we've we've in the past budgeted for like lining the $250,000 a year. I think we budgeted for lining of like sanitary sewer and things like that. So
I I it wouldn't surprise me if during the next budget cycle we come with you with a more robust program saying you know we have to identify and that's the piece that I think we're we're trying to figure out how do you identify it right now is it is it by a certain quadrant because even certain quadrants of the
city there might be developments that were built at different times so it' be different type of instruction. So, we have to work through that piece, but it's very likely we're going to have to have a capital plan that's a 5 to 10 year plan where we do a certain amount of, you know, pipe replacement, lining, etc. every year to try and keep ahead of
these watering breaks. Uh there are a fair number of breaks >> and when they happen, our staff does a really good job and the priority for the staff is to avoid a loss of pressure in the system so we avoid inconveniencing our residents with through boil water
notices. That's probably that's why you if you've seen pictures from a year ago during this the storm you would have seen some of our staff and water up to their shoulders in a hole and that's because they the water was still on but they're trying to fix it so because turn the water off to again inconvenience the residents. So that that's our priority.
So we don't we want to make sure that we keep the system working as as as well as we can. Um but we are going to continue to have these breaks. I mean that's no doubt whatsoever. I mean and every system will have this if you have you know unless you're a brand new community >> right >> you're going to have this because infrastructure is put in in different
types and the different eras so it's only a matter of time before something has to be changed >> so then my last question has to do with the the PAS remediation I know you've said that we are going to get a report back from the consultant with is that
report going to have recommendations as in uh you could use this type of filter And here's maybe the consultant won't have this but as part of our discussion will we have the information that says
okay you can use uh reverse osmosis and this would be the prop anticipated cost of putting in the capacity for what we use or you know three viable options with their potential cost. And then are
we going to include the cost and the option of actually dropping our wells deeper? >> More fellas that more technical than I than I would be able to address. >> What's that? >> It's a little bit more technical question than I would. So, engineering
utilities had a meeting with CHA last the end of last week to talk about how this report finalizes and gets completed. Um those are some of the considerations. If you recall from the um the town hall meeting, the CHA had
proposed you know what if we add a new well, what if we add a new tank there? There were whatifs if we go along this process. We're now narrowing those down to these are the recommendations based on the report, based off the data that they're finding and we're getting to that point. The meeting last week was at
a greater level than I would say that we've had at any of the meetings as far as the particular details. Now, these are not done details. These are details where um as we're looking at the POS treatment, we're seeing the different variables of the different components
that they have tested, but we don't have the final numbers yet because they're still testing. The the small scale study at the water plant is still running. Um we're still doing the RSST at um UCF. I mean, they're still in motion, but we're
getting we're getting down to the granular pieces. Um, I will say one of the pieces that they're looking at is our current with the water plant study, the current process of bringing raw water in, treating it, and then putting it out to the public. We've concluded that there are pieces of
this that may not need to be replaced as you there would have been a comment previously said, you know, maybe we need a new water plant. Maybe not. Maybe we just enhance them which will capture both ends of this where an enhancement may capture some POS details plus also preserve the longevity of the plant.
These are the we're getting granular. We're getting there. Um so I would expect when the report's done it's going to provide more light on what we should do and where we should go. Yes, there are components that are going to give you a ballpark a small ballpark number
of what it would cost. Um there's also in our scope where there are um CHA was asked to look at grant opportunities and funding for us. So granular, we're getting down to coming not to the end, but we're close. We're on the details.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> Other questions for Mr. Beaya? >> Seeing none. Thank you very much, Mr. Bea. City attorney's report. >> Nothing. >> Nothing. Okay. We'll want to thank everybody for
all your hard work during 2025 and uh look forward to working with everybody in 2026 and have a healthy year. We will be adjourned.