[Music] Hey, [Music] Well, good evening everybody. I'd like
to welcome everybody to the December 2nd meeting of the Temple Terra City Council. I can't believe it's December. I don't know what happened. It seemed like it was just February and all of a sudden it skipped to December. So, I hope everybody had a good holiday last week and uh I'd like to remind you to
please silence your electronic devices and if you would please stand and join me in the invocation and the pledge. Lord, as we begin our meeting tonight, we are reminded of all that we have to be grateful for. We thank you for your many blessings and ask your guidance as
we work to advance the common good of all in our city. We pray for those tonight who are sick or suffering in our community. May you grant them healing and peace. Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you everybody. We normally begin our meetings. I think most people are getting catching on to this with a
historical or interesting fact about our city or our region. Uh that duty rotates. Uh we each take a turn at that. And tonight it's council member Kravitz's turn and I think he might be stuck in traffic or somehow detained. He's not here yet. So we will skip over
that. And our next item is something I don't think I've ever had the opportunity to do this as mayor. So that and I've been mayor long enough that there's a whole not a whole lot of firsts here, but this is I think one of them. So I'd like to invite Mr. Jerome
Sullivan to the podium, please. Good evening, Mr. Sullivan. This is an amazing story I'm about to tell you. Mr. Sullivan. Jerome Sullivan is being recognized for his bravery and courage with a citizen award of valor.
On October 14th, 2025, Mr. Sullivan demonstrated extraordinary courage and selflessness while intervening in a violent attack on a young woman along North 56th Street. Mr. Sullivan was driving in the area when he observed a male physically assaulting a 19-year-old
female victim. Without hesitation or regard for his own safety, Mr. Sullivan stopped his vehicle, exited, and ran toward the suspect who was assaulting the young woman. Mr. Sullivan forcibly knocked the suspect off of the victim, ending the
assault and preventing further harm. Following the intervention, Mr. Sullivan then transported the victim to the Hillsbor County Sheriff's Office to report the crime, facilitating immediate law enforcement action. Mr. Sullivan's decisive actions reflect the highest
ideals of courage and community responsibility. He acted with no personal motive and at great risk to his personal safe at great personal risk to protect another citizen from imminent harm. We thank you, Mr. Sullivan, and honor you with this citizen award of
valor for your actions. Um, this is um, like I said, I don't think I've ever had the opportunity to to give this award to anybody. This is truly an outstanding thing and of course it's a little scary the reason that you're that you're here. >> It's a first for me too. Yeah.
>> But uh well let's hope it's a last. So would you like to say a few words? >> Uh well just uh thanks for having me and uh what I what I did was uh pretty much automatic. I think uh did what I've expected any man to do in that situation. You know now I was able to help. So and I'm glad it turned out
okay. >> Well you certainly did help and and uh you might have saved that woman's life. So, this is this is truly an honor to have you come and and be with us tonight. So, let's give him a big. [Applause]
So, we have to stand on each side of that black strip. And I'm going to give this to you because it's heavy and I don't want to drop. You have a certificate to go with. Thank you very much.
[Music] >> Thank you. Thank you. Welcome to the [Applause] All right. Well, we can't top that.
Let's just all go home now. Okay. Next, we have a uh Chief, I'm told we have a special presentation in the lobby. Somebody wants to come in and greet us. Would you please check the lobby and see if you can let our visitor
in, please? Ho ho ho ho ho ho. Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah and Susan's greetings to everybody in Temple Terrace. Well, I know protocol, Mr. Mayor. My
name is Santa Claus, and I live at 0000 North Pole. I was invited by your director of leisure services, Mr. Carl Langfeld, Miss Corey Collins,
and the Centennial Committee to come before you tonight and extend a personal greeting for all of you as well as all of the citizens and all of the community
around Temple Terrace to one of my favorite events of the season, Winter Wonderland. Oh, it's one of my favorites. Most of you are familiar with Winter Wonderland, but if you don't know, we
have a wonderful event at Woodmont Park, but it doesn't necessarily start there. One of my favorite activities is the golf cart parade. I get to come to Woodmont from the family complex with a golf cart parade
in front of me. So, if you live near the complex or down River Hills or the golf course, the parade starts at 6:00. If you can't come to see me in the parade, please come to Woodmont at 5:30.
At Woodmont, we're going to have all kind of fun. We're going to have snow slide and train rides and food trucks. I visit some food trucks in my day.
Everyone can come and have a wonderful time and enjoy all the festivities. When I arrive at the park at 7:00, we'll light the Christmas tree. And then I invite all of the children,
young and old, to come and take a picture with Santa. And of course, the beautiful Mrs. Claus who will join me that evening. So I invite everyone to come come take pictures with Santa, ride the snow
slide, ride the train, and then we're going to finish the evening with a beautiful firework celebration to celebrate a 100red years of temple terrace and the beauty of the season. So with that, extending this personal
invitation to you all. You know, I'm very very busy and I must be on my way, but I do have a few goodies for the council. So, I will approach the deas and I will give you guys some goodies. And I'm sure you'll recognize at least
part of what I'm handing out. So, forgive me for a moment while I come up to the DS and I hand out some goodies for everyone. These are special parking passes. I don't want anyone giving me any
excuses about I couldn't find parking. >> And you. >> Thank you, sir. >> Have some very special >> elf made cookies. >> Yes, I baked it myself. >> Thank you. Merry Christmas. >> Merry Christmas. >> It was one
>> season, Santa. >> Thank you. Thank you for supporting all of our fun things that we do in the city. We appreciate you giving us some time >> to come and speak with you all tonight and have everybody come to Winter
Wonderland. Now, there's one little act. Thank you, sir. >> That I didn't mention because I have you all guessing. When is Winter Wonderland? I gave you some times, but the date is this Saturday,
December 6th. this Saturday at Woodmont Park, Winter Wonderland. I hope everyone comes and has a fabulous time. Thank you. Thank you for your time. Merry Christmas. I know somebody's
greetings. Everyone have a wonderful, wonderful holiday season. Bless you, Temple Terrace. [Applause] Yes. I think he went over three minutes, but I wasn't about to call that one.
>> Okay. I want to get that get on the list. >> Very good. So, our uh real business now is uh a board appointment. There was a vacancy on the Hillsburg County Maritime Law Enforcement Advisory Committee. Uh there's one vacancy with city received an application from uh one person, Grant
Parra, for appointment. Is Mr. Parra here? I don't see him here. Uh if acceptable, council members, is there a motion to approve? >> Go ahead. Go ahead. >> Uh move to approve Grant Perah to the
Hillsboro County Maritime Law Advisory Committee for a term from December 2nd, 2025 until December 2nd, 2027. >> Second. >> Motion to second. Discussion. >> If not, all those in favor say I. >> I. I. Opposed. No.
Mr. Perry, if you're watching, thank you very much for stepping up and volunteering. Next item, council members, has everybody had an opportunity to review our minutes from November 18th? And if so, is there a motion to approve? >> Move to approve. Second. >> Any discussion or corrections to the
minutes? If not, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> Opposed? No. Minutes are adopted. Next are public comment for persons wishing to be heard on items on the consent agenda or items not listed on the agenda. There are requests to
address the mayor and council uh in the back of the chambers on that table. Uh please complete it and give it to the city clerk. I see we have another one coming. Uh council has established a 30 minute time limit for all public comments in this portion of the meeting and it will be continued at the end of
the meeting if more time is needed. Okay. Uh there's a threeminut time limit imposed on all individuals at this portion of the meeting. We ask that speakers come to the podium, state their name and city of residence. During public comment on items not on the agenda or items on the consent agenda,
the city manager and directors in attendance do make note of these items. We do take your comments seriously and we do follow up on them. So I currently have I think three. Our first one is Charles Loe. Welcome, Mr. Loe. >> Thank you. Hope you all had a good
holiday. Charles Loe, uh, Terrace Park. And the first thing I want to discuss is report on the library sale. Uh, we made 1300, the city made $1,361. So, the library sale is going pretty good. In addition to that, we also got a big donation of books. Matter of fact,
there were so many, they were left over at the writers club meeting that they had to sell them for a dollar in all in that bin. So we did. So the city did get and the publicity really does help. The other thing I want to discuss tonight is
what I call my little holiday wish list if you want to call it that or review or whatever you all want to call it. And that is some of the things I've been discussing. First of all, I think we should have more uh involvement from upper levels of government around here.
Second, as I said, I'm hoping maybe that the um of health care will be uh the stress will be in healthcare reform would be to make it more affordable for people who need healthcare and I've discussed some of the points is on
public record from last month. Also, I still see an opportunity and it's kind of a reminder that although people temporarily have food stamps and all that and SNAP program and all that over the long haul, a lot of people are going
to lose it because of the tougher qualifications. So, of course, this means that people will be going to the churches and things like that and we'll still need more help than than was given prior to the government shutdown. So, I'm really hoping that this
community will work together in order to uh in order over the coming year or two uh help those folks out as much as we can. Another thing that I'm also kind of on my holiday wish list is that people will save a little bit of money or at least
understand what's going on with their electric bills. There was a very interesting article in the Beacon on the 19th uh of November about how you can save money and an explanation of the
electric bills um over, you know, why the bills are so high and how you can save money on them. And I hope people read that. And this was like sort of a followup to November 16th Tampa Bay Times article uh or or expose report.
So, uh, if you're interested in that, which I think people would be, that, uh, they take a look and if they can't get the Tampa Bay time, see if they can get the beacon from November 19th. Uh, that's all. Thank you and good evening. >> Thank you, Mr. Loe. Uh, next up, Fred
Black. >> Welcome, Mr. Black. >> It's good to see you again. We actually took a picture at a garden club event, so >> Oh, I remember that. >> My name is Fred Black. I'm a business owner here in Temper Terrace which the
the city that I love. I'm also a member of the garden club and I also maintain the grounds at Woodman Park. My issue has been and I've been here several times on this issue regarding the bathroom being closed at the Riverside
Park and it's been closed for months maybe going on a year. I do understand some of the issues that are having with the homeless doing certain things there, but I really think we're giving them too much power. I think this bathroom needs to be opened. I'm tired of seeing families coming down with their f with
their children having to use the bathroom at a Shell gas station. It's unacceptable and I'm going to keep coming back until a bathroom gets open. I don't care how long it takes. You can remember my name. It will speak volume. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Black.
Troy Zimmerman. >> Troy Zimmerman. I'm also a resident temple terrace here. Um I'm asking for uh I guess a waiver from the city council on fence design. I emailed you guys a picture of the fence that I'm trying to do. It seems like it's an attractive fence. It shouldn't be a
problem to approve it. if you guys can look into it and check your email. And I'm not sure if you want to put it up on the screen so everyone can see it or you guys can see it, but it seems like the the way that it's written is to stop chicken wire from being used as a fence. I'm not doing anything like that at all, but if you can take a look at that and
get back to me whenever you guys can. Thank you, >> Mr. Zimmerman. That's currently all the requests to speak that I have. Okay. Next, we'll move on to the consent agenda. Council members, if you've had
an opportunity to review the consent agenda, is there a motion to approve? >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Motion in a second. All those in favor say I. I. >> I. Opposed? No. Nazs. Consent agenda is adopted. Next, we have a resolution approving an
engagement letter with Gray Robinson for Government Affairs Consulting Services. Uh, city manager Bea. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. Um, the city's had a long-standing relationship with the government affairs firm, which was originally called Lewis Bettson Associates and then became Travis
Mitchell Corporation going back at least two decades from what I understand. Um, earlier this year in in January, um, Mr. Betts, the namesake of the original firm, passed away uh, unexpectedly. And, uh, at the time I informed council
that in light of the fact we'd had this relationship for so long and the and untimely passing of Mr. bets that we would want to go go out into the marketplace and gauge whether their government firms might be available. This is not any any uh reflection of Mr. Betts uh or Mr. Mitchell. They in fact
they've been good partners for the city over the years. Uh it was just because I thought it was time and it made sense uh in light of what had happened. So we issued a request for qualifications over the summer. We had four submitts from the Travis Mitchell Corporation. Again, Travis Mitchell was the partner for Mr.
Mr. Betts. uh he is our current uh consultant basically on a month-to-month uh arrangement. Uh we also had submitts from JW Consulting, the Southern Group, and Gray Robinson. Uh we uh convened a committee composed of myself, the assistant city manager, and the finance
director to review the submitts from the from these proposers as well as the references and do an inter individual um interviews for inerson interviews. And based on those on that evaluation, we have the following ranking that came out
of that process, which was uh the top rated firm was Grey Robinson, followed by the Southern Group, then Travis Mitchell Corporation, and then JW Consulting. Uh by the way, we have a representative of uh Gay Robinson here, Chris Dawson. He's here in the audience if you have
any questions. So the committee uh looking at Gay Robinson, the reason that we ranked them as the top firm was because they had a very deep bench of associates. Uh our experience with with Mr. Betts was pretty much it's it's either a one or two person firm and has been for quite some time. We were uh
impressed by the professionalism and again that that vast resource base that they have at their at their disposal. And we also were um we took into consideration the fact that Gary Robinson also has a Washington DC presence which is not part of this contract but it could be used in the
future. Uh we we know and we've talked about here at the deis and in town hall meetings last year or earlier this year I should say that water our water system and water infrastructure improvements are going to be critical over the next several years and they're not going to be cheap. It's going to take a lot of
dollars to make those those improvements. And so the notion of having a firm that represents us to um seek appropriations or grants and things like that at the at the in Tallahassee I think is something that was very very important to us when we looked at these
different uh submitters. So we reached out to uh to Gray uh Gray Robinson in terms of being the top firm uh to negotiate which is the process here. Um we indicated to Mr. Dawson that we have an approved budget right now of $2,500 a
month for our lobbying firm uh for this current fiscal year and we asked that if they would honor that because their proposed rate is $4,500 a month for a city our size. They graciously agreed to do that for the remainder of this fiscal year. So there would be no impact, no changes. Uh they
would accept the same budget that we've got in place through the end of September 30th, 2026. As of October 1, if council approves, they would move to their standard rate, which is $4,500 per month. Uh, at that point, what I would propose, and I've talked to Mr. Ingram
about this, and it seems to make sense in light of the fact that we are recommending Great Robinson largely because of water, we would charge that difference to the water fund because again, they would be looking to bring dollars home to help us pay for these water improvements. So, it seems to make sense. Uh, there's a rational nexus
there. So, that's what we would propose to do. the contract or the engagement letter before you this evening is a three-year engagement with two one-year extensions. Um it would also provide for a 30-day um basically separating of the ways if
we wanted to if we decided or they decided that this relationship was no longer working within 30 days notice we could part ways and we could do something else should we wish to do that. Uh so staff is recommending approval um this evening and and Mr. Dawson is here if you'd like to ask him anything.
Good. Council members, any questions? >> I do. >> Yes. Council member Fernandez. >> Uh my question has to do with lobbying for dollars to help with the water treatment that we know we're going to have to do something, but every
jurisdiction in the state of Florida that provides water is going to do something. So, how does the city of Temple Terrace stand out in this? >> Mr. Dawson, welcome. >> Thank you very much for having me. It's
a pleasure to be with you this evening. It's an excellent question and we know water and wastewater infrastructure is going to be one of the leading challenges of a growing state as we continue to add residents and certainly for Temple Terrace and this region. It's it's a really a constriction point on continued growth. Um, it's working with
all the levers that are available to us. So, as we've discussed with with staff, it's not just going to the legislature for appropriations. It's working with D to be engaged in water grant programs, the Resilient Florida grant program. It's working with the Department of Commerce to find where our water infrastructure is impacting economic
development in the city and job creation. There are grant programs that are available there. So, that's another opportunity to not only go to the legislature for funding, but to work within the state grant programs that are available to us. Um, as the city manager mentioned, we have a deep bench. Uh I'm
excited to be the lead on the team and this water wastewater space is especially exciting to me. Uh I have two degrees in civil engineering and then I'm also an attorney with the firm. So it's a world that I grew up around. My dad's a a water engineer up in the Pensacola area and so it's just something that I've been in and around
my entire life. Also on the team, we have a a former uh D secretary. So we've got a deep understanding of the department and their grant programs and their regulatory programs as well that we can help bring to bear. Uh and then on top of that, as manager Baya mentioned, the connectivity to
Washington DC is another opportunity that we think despite that this is a state lobbying contract, we we are constantly working with our colleagues up in Washington to see where there's crossover, where there may be some hurricane mitigation dollars, for example, that that is coming out of the federal government that could be repurposed for water and wastewater
quality. So, it's it's finding all the different levers that are available and then really putting the best foot forward. So, when we're pursuing grants in in Tallahassee, for example, there are certain metrics that we're going to want to include in our application. We're going to want to talk about local skin in the game because that's been a
big focus of the legislature in particular is is saying, "Hey, we're willing to invest along with you, but we want to see local participation in these types of infrastructure programs and projects. So, we'll bring that wealth of knowledge to the table. Uh we we are solutionsoriented. So, it's not just
saying, hey, did we get an appropriation this year or not?" It's saying, you know, where else can we turn over the couch cushions and find those dollars that are so precious to bring back here to Temple Terrace? >> Well, and that segus into my last question, and that has to do with how
will we measure the efficacy and and the the value of the contract. >> So, I think there's different elements to that. I think from a day-to-day perspective is the communication. Are we are we knowing what's going on in Tallahassee? I think that's one of the biggest challenges is that there's so
much going on. I mean, there's hundreds of bills, >> particularly this upcoming legislative session where there's so many bills also dealing with the cities and property tax issues and other issues. So, I think that's an element of knowing that, okay, are you giving us the information we need so we can react appropriately here?
Obviously, appropriations is, you know, are we getting some dollars? Um, although that's that's a tough metric. I mean, if you look at the 20 plus year history with Lewis Betts, >> we got the EOC, >> but I can't I don't know of many other times where we received direct dollars.
It's really about making sure that the city's interests are represented up in Tallahassy so that >> you know, for example, bad things don't happen, which could cost us money in the long run. U obviously, if they if if we make appropriations a top priority, I think Mr. Dawson's heard that not only in the interview, but here that that's
going to be a very big indicator for us. And that's why in part we're recommending this this move from the current firm which we've been very happy with but again they're a oneperson firm to a larger firm because you know we have an expectation that we're going to we're going to need dollars.
>> Thank you >> vice mayor. >> Yes. Thank you. Good. Thank thank you for being here. Appreciate it. Um my biggest concern is communication. Okay. I've sat up here I'm in my the end of seventh year and I've never seen Mr. Betts. I've never heard from him.
Doesn't mean he hasn't spoken to the administration, but I think it's important that there's communication to this to this desk to the to to to uh uh the council and I think that's important going forward. Um there may be questions that we had that that you you spur it at
that. So I would hope that there would be some level quarterly semiannual annual communication back with directly with the council so that we we um uh know what's going on and we can better answer questions and and ask questions.
So I would hope that that's part of the the ultimate contract structure. >> Absolutely. You have that commitment from our team that basically the frequency that works for you. Um particularly if it's you know to come speak with council. We find that quarterly tends to be kind of a sweet spot just because number one, we're in
the middle of session for several months throughout the year and then you get into the summer months and there's not a lot of activity going on, but we hit those quarterly benchmarks and I think that covers really all the areas that we're looking to focus on which would be the legislative appropriation. Of course, we've got a grant cycle that's
state specific based on the state fiscal year and then again would love to explore opportunities with our colleagues in DC to to better look for federal resources as well. Good. >> Any questions? >> I'm good. Thank you, >> Mr. Dawson. Thank you.
>> It's a pleasure and look forward to hitting the ground running with you all. Thank you. >> There are no further questions. Is there a motion? >> Move to approve resolution approving an engagement letter with Greg Robinson for Government Affairs Consulting Services. >> Second.
>> Any discussion of the motion? I I have a a few comments I'd like to make. I I've been with Lewis Betts and Travis Mitchell for a long time and I've been to Tallahassee I don't even know how many times with with them. Travis is a
terrific guy. He's well respected. Part of the feedback uh that to to kind of fill out the answer to your question, part of the feedback is the legislators themselves. You know, how's our guy doing? I mean, is he respected or Travis
is? and he knows not only the legislators at the capital, but he knows the staff. He's been around that he's been around a long time. And sometimes knowing the staff is as important as knowing the legislators. But here in the past couple years, I've been involved with a couple of
organizations, the Sun Coast League of Cities and the school district where we have lot um consultants at each of those. And so I'm working with them and the product that we get from one of them is JW Consulting that applied here
but and with the school district I'm not even sure who they use um but they we get email updates. They don't come and talk to us. They we but we get email like we got an email today about the the school district. Here's what's going on in committee this week. There's a schedule
of committee meetings and what's on the agendas. That's important information. and we haven't had that kind of visibility of what's going on or you know I I talk to when you guys approve our legislative priorities I I don't do it on my own but
I talk to legislators on my own or I'll text and I'll say hey you know don't forget us but having that phone call strategically placed when it's like hey this guy in committee was wavered a little bit now would be a good time to reach out and
send a text and say hey you know we really need your vote on that and it's not always an appropriation. It's a home rule thing. Can we change that word from shell to will or shell to could or something, you know, um make it a little so it's those kinds of things too. And
sometimes those are hard to quantify in terms of just it's not just about appropriations, it's about trying to influence policy also. And sometimes even changing a word can make a bill less harmful or better for us. And so the other thing
I'm excited about with this is the potential to do more in federally. We haven't I mean other than Carlos and I I mean I know our congressional delegates. I know our Congress. I know our senators, but you know them getting a
call from me is not the same as somebody up there who knows where the money is in the EPA or in energy or you know there's a funding stream here or there. the federal system is so big and confusing that and you know sometimes just knowing where the
resources are and we just got our CLG approved after 50 years. So I think we have I'm I'm really excited about the possibility of kind of upping our game here and it's nothing against Travis.
He's a terrific guy, but it's a boutique firm and this is the big leagues. This is, you know, that this is this is so I'm really excited about what we're doing here. I think it's going to be well worth the the effort and I look forward to getting to meet with you and
getting to know you a little bit and u getting to work. So, >> I have a comment. Yes, sir. >> Yeah. Um, the reason for my question was I just gotten I was just completed a very deep um
choice or search if you will for Hart and we had Gray Robinson. We ended up with Hollow Night simply because they knew where all the bodies are buried and so forth. But Greg Robinson did a a a very good presentation and the uh
information feedback via the reporting was critical and is critical and again as as you point not just only appropriations but just knowing what's going on and not have to see see it on you know the the 9:00 news and and oh
well we we we could have been involved with that or something. So, uh, that was the the reason for my question, but I'm I'm looking forward to working with them. >> If there are no other comments, all those in favor say I. >> I.
>> I. Opposed? No. Thank you, Mr. Dawson. Next item is the first public hearing and first reading of an ordinance amending sections 12-357, final plat review, and 12-354, preliminary plat review of the land
development code. I'll open the public hearing and senior planner Alyssa Livingstone is here to explain. Good evening. >> Good evening, mayor and council members. I'm here to present proposed text
amendments to our land development code that ensures full compliance with a recent mandate from the Florida statutes, specifically section 177.071. 071.
The overall intent of this legislative update is to streamline flat approvals. Section 177.071 071 of the Florida statutes now requires all
municipalities to designate an administrative official to approve final plats and replplats to comply with this state mandate and streamline or development review process. We recommend designating the
city manager for this administrative function. Implementing this change requires amending section 12 357. Additionally, the city is proposing to make corresponding adjustments to
section 12354 which governs preliminary plat reviews. This action ensures the preliminary plot review process aligns with the new legislative requirements for final plot
approvals creating a cohesive development review process. Currently in section 12357 subsection C after the DRC review is
complete the city engineer confirms completeness and compliance and then the plot is sent to the city council for final sign off in section 12357
subsection D following final approval by city council the city engineer coordinates the recording of the plat. The updated text dictates that the plat
be forwarded to the city manager for final approval instead of the city council. This change recognizes that plat approval is primarily an administrative
action and removes it from the city council's legislative agenda. Currently in section 12 354 subsection G, any applicant wishing to appeal a preliminary disapproval
goes before the city council. If amended, the appeal would be directed to the city manager. >> Thank you. And I'm available for any questions. >> Thank you, Miss Livingstone. Council member questions. Council member
Fernandez. >> So, just to clarify for people watching, this proposed change is because the state of Florida has legislation that requires
it's not uh the city initiating something. It's it's we are responding to a requirement from the state. Yes, we're responding to the Florida Senate Bill 784 which became effective on July 1st, 2025.
So my question, and I don't know if this is a question for city staff or even other the other council members, but right now in under our process, this would come to the city council for approval. And it seems to me the final
the plat is something that we as a city council we have in the past said yes or no to uh what the city staff has proposed has brought in front of us.
So I guess my my only concern is and it's not I don't maybe it's not a an an issue. We don't have a lot of empty buildable land, but I mean, we we had a development in front of us or a proposal
in front of us not long ago where the city council determined that the lot size proposed was below what what we would like to see in the city and we chose to change or to request that they come back with a larger lot size. Does
this take away city council's ability to ultimately direct development? >> You want to speak to the law part first? >> Uh the answer is yes. Uh it has taken
that away from the city council. The you know Florida legislature has said no this got to be an administrative process now. So that has been taken out of city council's hands. >> But if I may just from a practical perspective and I remember the property you're talking about data short is probably you're talking about right
>> there were it's been our experience here in Temple Terrace since I've been here that most of these more significant developments will require other things. It's not just the platting issue. There's reasonzoning. There's typically a PD that's very common here. So, I think there'll be opportunities for you
to shape a lot of those developments that you may have concerns about. Can't say I can't guarantee because the legislature now has changed this that it it's going to be every single time. We don't I don't think we get a lot of plats to begin with in a city our size and we're roughly built out to begin with. Is that correct?
>> On average, we have about three to four plats coming before us per year. So, it's not common >> or frequent. >> So, again, this is not something that we've requested. I mean, be candid with you. It's not something I really want to do, but I I know what a plat is and so
uh it made sense to have a city manager do it because somebody had to do it in terms of administration. So, >> thank you. >> So, I know the vice mayor has questions, but prior to that, I neglected to solicit public comment. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item?
>> Yes, sir. Mr. >> If it's a bill, >> no, you have to come up. You have to come up. Troy Zimmerman again if that's a requirement like what's the discussion about if that's the new requirement that it has to be administrative like why is the council involved at all at that point so it should have changed till
July 1st seems to be thank you are there other members of the public who wish to comment Vice Mayor Schisler >> yeah thank you city attorney seemed clear cleared up most of my concerns my my
questions with it um it's just another chip away at uh the elected officials rules and and and impact on their own effectively home rule. You know, just chipping away at at at what we can and can't do in our own city.
I do understand it makes it a little bit easier. Um it does take away the some of our quasi judicial uh responsibilities that uh we we can exert over over the uh development future development of of of
our location uh which is bothersome to me. But again to to everybody's point it is being mandated by state statute. So it is something we ultimately have to comply with. But it doesn't mean we have to really like it. So that's I'll leave it at that.
questions. Council member Chambers. >> Um, can someone tell me if there is a difference between site plan and plat? >> Uh, yes. And it probably would the clarification can probably come from uh our senior planner, but yes, there's definitely a difference between the two.
>> Okay. So the process of platting is a legal procedure used to divide a large tract of land into smaller lots. While a site plan would you know essentially you would have like a conceptual plan which is like a rough draft but the site plan would have all of the development
features all the engineering features as well and you know marks out for the easements and what goes up. So, in the past, we've been able to review site plans and that will still be the case. >> That's all I wanted. Yes. Thank you.
>> Do a follow to to the to the original question to the original example that was used on Davis Road. Okay. How would we as a council exert that type of poor word, but influence or or that type of vision for what we want to see going
forward? How could we do that other than than this pro the platting process or the um >> the site could we at that is it too late to do that at that point >> is my guess is my question >> I believe the platting usually comes
before the site plan itself >> okay so in that particular case they wanted to build 40 40ft white houses but we kind of said whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa we we want to see minimum of 50 okay so by the once once that's done and the
city manager signs off on it, we're stuck. We can't do anything about it going forward. Is that that we live with it? >> Correct. I mean, it won't be able to come to the city council. It'll be that this the platting decision will be, if
I'm understanding your question, will be made administratively >> and then the individual what it looks like in the end is by that time it's it's set. It's set in stone >> and again I'm not >> the lots are will end up being that but you know exact all the uh detail of what's got to go on the lot
>> would then be done by the site plan you >> okay we have to deal with it >> other questions okay if there are no other questions I'll close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the
ordinance >> an ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, amending sections 12-357 and 12-354 of the city code of ordinances, designating the city manager as the
administrative authority for final plat review. Designating the city manager as the arbiter of appeals for preliminary plat review. Providing for severability. Providing for correction of
typographical errors. Repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict here with providing for codification. Providing for an effective day. >> Thank you, Madame Clerk. Is there a motion to approve?
Move to approve on first public hearing and first reading an ordinance amending sections 12-357 final plat review and 12-354 preliminary plat review of the land development code. >> Second >> motion is second discussion of the
motion. I just I wished I had known about this. I I wasn't tracking this bill when it happened. I don't know what the intent was. It's strange, but it's not really a rate on home rule because it's just changing it
from the council to and I don't know what the goal there was. Whether it was just to speed up the process or make it cheaper or easier for people. I'm not sure what it was, but but Mr. Zimmerman is right. It's a state law. There's not much choice. We don't have a whole lot
of choice in this. So, um, any other comments? Okay. Okay. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Opposed. No nays. >> First public hearing passed. If approved, this ordinance will appear for a second reading and public hearing on
Tuesday, December 16th, 2025. Thank you, Miss Livingston. >> Thank you. >> Next item is first public hearing and first reading of an ordinance amending the capital improvement section of the city's comprehensive plan. I'll open the public hearing and community development
deputy director. Marissa Robinson is here to explain. Good evening. >> Good evening, mayor and city council members. Marissa Robinson with Community Development. This is the first public reading and first public hearing to adopt the 5-year capital improvement
schedule of projects for fiscal years 26 through 30 and the 10-year transportation projects for fiscal year 26 through35. The capital improvement section section schedule of projects has to be updated annually per Florida statute and the
planning commission is requirement. The CIS is updated by ordinance. The planning commission staff coordinates with the finance department to obtain information on the capital improvement program. The CIP program totals $39 million for
fiscal years 26 through 30, ranging from various program areas. The planning commission then extrapolates the data from the CIP with projects affecting the level of service. They also coordinate with engineering on
the 10-year transportation project plan that include that is included in the CIS schedule of projects. The planning commission found that the CIP and CIS schedule of projects is consistent with the comprehensive plan. Planning commission approval approved
the resolution on October 13th, 2025. Planning Commission staff will be here to present at the second public hearing and second public reading. Staff recommends city council approves the first reading and first public hearing and schedule the second public hearing
and second public reading for December 16th. Thank you. And myself and the city engineer are here for any questions. >> Thank you. >> Robinson. I do have one request to speak from Mr. Loe. Uh I was like um the one thing I really want to talk about I don't know if this
is in the plan or even in the right place to talk about and that would be toward putting vehicles and other things into solar power or doing the research into it. Recently I read a book where uh I was telling this to the vice mayor that an airplane 10 years ago was sort
of a prototype that was used uh for solar power. That's an airplane. However, it was a private airplane. But we have to be in the future at some point in some time and a lot of things including multimodules uh and a lot of other different types of things. But certainly the buses and
everything along that should be at least to a point where we could research on the idea of doing solar power as the as the as the source of uh powering buses in the future along with other things that would relate to transportation.
Uh now that's not electric. It's different. Solar power is strictly power from the sun as opposed to energy gener as opposed to let's say a battery or something like that has to be electrically charged. This is what this plane was. And if an airplane, even a
private plane, could have done 10 years ago, I think we're at a point where at least we go up and say in to a long-term improvement program, hey, maybe it's about time to look into uh doing uh public transport, public transit things into solar power. Thank you and good
evening. >> Thank you, Mr. Lo. Are there other members of the public who wish to comment on this item? >> Okay, seeing none, council members, are there questions? >> I do. Council member Fernandez. So >> I have a question for for this
particular agenda item. As part of our budget process, we create our 5-year capital improvement plan and then document where we think that we're going to pay for those projects and they can change throughout the year because
of need or funding. So, is this specifically to update what we have on record with the planning commission because you've already established our budget? Okay, I can I think I can address that. Save your trip. So, yes, this is this is
the planning commission's requirement. Every year they just want to basically codify the the multi-year plan. The outy years, as you mentioned, council member, the outears, they're just that. they're out years and they can change and in fact they do change from every time we go through the budget we take projects we might move them up we might move
others out because of different needs and what the economy have changed etc so >> this is their requirement that's part of their comprehensive plan that they have to do this uh so nothing has changed in our end we're not committing to any new projects or anything like that they're just basically taking our projects and saying okay we understand this is what
the city of temple terrace is going to be doing at least programmatically it's anticipating to be doing >> that's Other questions? Okay, if there are no further questions, I will close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the
ordinance. An ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, providing for the annual modification and update to the capital improvement section of the 2040 comprehensive plan for the city of Temple Terrace, pursuant to chapter 163,
Florida statutes, by modifying and updating the 5-year capital improvement schedule of projects for fiscal years 202526 through 202 2930
and incorporating the 10-year long-term improvements for the multimodel transportation district for 2026 to 2035 into the schedule of projects which incorporates by reference per the
comprehensive plan cap policy 1.5.13 Hillsboro County transportation planning organizations TPO Transportation Improvement Program, TIP, Hillsboro Area Regional Transits Transit
Development Plan, parts, TDP, and Hillsboro County Public Schools Facility Work Program, providing for severability, providing for correction of typographical errors, repealing all
ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict here with Providing for cotification, providing for an effective date. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. You need some water. >> Good. >> Okay. If acceptable, is there a motion
to approve? >> Yes. Um move to approve on a first public hearing and first reading of an ordinance amending the capital improvement section of the city's comprehensive plan. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. Discussion of the motion. One real brief comment and this is
nobody's fault. This is like the previous thing where we just have to do what we have to do. But I have always I as long as I've been at this, I do not understand the planning commission structure here. I I do not understand
why the city of Temple Terrace has to change our rules and then go ask the planning per commission for permission to change our rules when it's our I mean, if we want to change the fence ordinance, we have to
go to the planning commission to ask for permission to do that. If we want to update the five-year capital plan, we've got to go every year to the planning commission who has members appointed by us. I I just don't understand the whole system and and uh there's no dig on the
planning commission. I have good friends over there, but I don't get it. This is like government bureaucracy run a muk and so okay, I'm done now. So, any other comments on the motion? If not, all those in favor say I. >> I opposed. No naysay. Ordinance is
adopted on first reading and will appear for a second reading in public hearing on Tuesday, December the 16th. Next, we have a first reading of an ordinance creating short-term rental requirements. This is a long awaited uh
development here, and our code compliance director, Jack Shanks, is here to present. Good evening. >> Evening, mayor, council members. Uh Jack Shanks, code compliance. Tonight, I'm presenting an ordinance that establishes a regulatory framework
for managing short-term rentals within the city of Temple Terrace. As you know, short-term rentals have become increasingly common in residential neighborhoods across Florida. This ordinance is designed to help the city manage that growth responsibly, balancing private property rights and state preeemption with our duty to
protect the health, safety, and welfare of our residents. Our overall goal is simple. ensure that short-term rentals operate safely, fit appropriately within our neighborhoods, and contribute positively to the community. Short-term rentals, often hosted through
platforms like Airbnb or VBO, have created new challenges for cities across the state. Before 2011, Florida cities had the ability to regulate short-term rentals under home rule authority. That changed when the legislature passed House Bill 883, which preempted local
control. In 2014, the legislature restored some local authority through Senate Bill 356, allowing cities like ours to regulate short-term rentals for health, safety, and welfare, but not prohibit them outright or limit how often they can be rented. Based on data
provided to us by short-term rental compliance software providers like Grenicus and Decker Technologies, we can estimate that our current number of short-term rentals within Temple Terrace is approximately 150. While many of these are well-managed, others have generated issues. We've addressed
complaints at short-term rental properties involving multiple vehicles parked in yards and blocking the right ofway, trash not being disposed of properly and left become a nuisance, and reports of excessive noise and occupancy levels. Without consistent standards, it becomes difficult for staff and
residents to address those impacts fairly and effectively. This ordinance provides a balanced and legally sound way to address those concerns while respecting state law. To create this ordinance, multiple jurisdictions were researched to determine the most appropriate
guidelines for creating our own. In Ellis County, the city of Bradenton, Daytona Beach, and Anamaria, amongst others, were reviewed. It was shown that some cities received challenge from the short-term rental operators who viewed their ordinances as overregulatory or discriminatory.
In those cases, issues were either settled or the ordinance was revisited. Penelis County's ordinance was created with those challenges in mind and is fair and beneficial to their residents and short-term rental operators alike. I did meet with my counterpart in Penelis County code enforcement to talk through
the winds and challenges they faced and those notes were instrumental in the creation of our ordinance. The proposed Temple Terrace short-term rental ordinance uses Penelis counties as a base but is adjusted to encompass the unique needs of our city. The public purpose of this ordinance is
to serve the health, safety, and general welfare of our community. It does that by requiring all short-term rentals to meet basic life and safety standards under the Florida Building Code and Fire Prevention Code, preserving the quiet character and property values of established neighborhoods, promoting
accountability among owners and operators, and ensuring fair treatment of both the short-term rental owner and our residents. Ultimately, this is about ensuring that everyone, residents, visitors, and property owners can coexist safely and respectfully.
This ordinance creates a clear and con uh structured system for short-term rentals in the city. First, it establishes a certificate of use program. All short-term rentals must apply for and maintain a certificate of use, which is valid for one year. Before the initial certificate is issued, the
fire department will inspect the property to confirm it meets minimum life safety requirements. That inspection will will be repeated every two years thereafter. Second, it helps it establishes a registration fee of $200 per property per year. That fee helps offset the
administrative and inspection costs associated with the program. It says operational standards. Maximum occupancy is limited to two persons per bedroom plus two additional occupants. In review of other local ordinances, including Sarasota, Penelis County, and Orlando,
this occupancy level is standard. All parking must be off street. No lawn or grass parking is permitted. In conjunction with Temple Terrace Code section 16-7, quiet hours are set between 10 p.m. and 8 a.m. Each property must have a local
responsible party available 24 hours a day to respond to emergencies, inspections, or complaints. Basic safety and contact information must be posted inside the unit in a conspicuous place near the main entry door. It includes advertising requirements.
Any advertisement must include the property's license and certificate numbers. the maximum occupancy and parking limits. That way, guests and neighbors have clear expectations before booking occurs. Finally, it establishes enforcement provisions. Violations are handled under chapter 1, article 2 of
the city code using the standard code enforcement board process. The emphasis is on achieving compliance and not punishment. I'd like to take a moment uh to highlight how this proposed short-term rental ordinance is not only protective of our neighborhoods, but also fair and
beneficial to responsible short-term rental uh owners. First, the ordinance legitimizes and protects the right to operate short-term rentals within our city. It doesn't ban or overrestrict them. Instead, it creates a structured certificate of use program that allows
owners to operate confidently within clear local standards. By aligning with state law, we ensure that owners retain their property rights while the city retains reasonable oversight to protect the community. Second, it protects owners from liability by requiring those safety inspections. These inspections confirm
that each short-term rental meets minimum life and safety requirements under the Florida Building Code and the Florida Fire Prevention Code. This isn't just about compliance. It's about reducing risk for the owner and ensuring they're operating a safe property that meets legal standards. The ordinance levels the playing field. Every
short-term rental operator must follow the same rules, meet the same standards, and hold the same certificate of use. This prevents unregulated operators from undercutting compliant ones and creates a fair, competitive marketplace for everyone who plays by the rules. The ordinance offers a streamlined and
transparent process for the owners. That certificate of use is valid for one full year, and renewals are straightforward. If property changes ownership, there's a clear and predictable 30-day window for the new owner to reapply. And that way there's no confusion or sudden interruption in operations.
The ordinance provides clarity and predictability. Owners know exactly what's required, how to meet parking, occupancy, advertising, and safety standards. That transparency reduces disputes and helps everyone stay on the same page. It's designed to be fair, measurable, and easy to follow, not
punitive or confusing. The framework encourages cooperation between the city and rental owners. Each rental must designate a responsible party. someone the city can contact directly to resolve issues quickly and responsibly. This uh builds accountability while also showing again that the city's goal is
compliance and not punishment. We're aiming to work with the owners, not against them. And finally, this ordinance professionalizes the short-term rental industry within Temple Terrace. It requires proper business licensing through the state, collection and remittance of required taxes, and truthful advertising that includes
occupancy and parking limits. That approach establishes short-term rentals as legitimate, well-managed component of our local economy. The annual registration fee of $200 per property will cover the cost of inspection, administration, and enforcement, reducing the financial
impact on the city's general fund. For property owners and operators, the cost is minimal compared to the average rental income for the short-term stays. Overall, the ordinance is expected to have a neutral to modestly positive economic impact, and it provides predictability for owners and operators while improving safety and neighborhood
compatibility for the community. It strengthens public confidence in how these properties are managed, creating a safer, more orderly environment for everyone. In conclusion, this ordinance provides a practical and balanced approach to managing short-term rentals in Temple Terrace. It respects property rights,
enhances neighborhood quality, and ensures that all rental properties operate off operate safely and responsibly. Should this ordinance be approved, we will be fully enforcing it no later than July 1st, 2026. That gives us the time we need to secure the most appropriate software, train staff, and
identify and provide notice to all short-term rental owners. Staff respectfully recommends that the city council approve this ordinance on first reading. Thank you. I'm happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you, Mr. Shankard. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this?
Seeing none, council member questions. >> Question. >> Yes, Vice Mayor Schisler. >> I have several. So, first of all, um, regarding the insp the the annual fee, will this be in addition to the $200 rental that is already paid? So, we
total a total of 400 then? >> No, sir. They're completely separate programs. Uh, >> is still going to be so it's still a city fit. So instead of 200, it's going to be 400 now for this particular one. >> Pay in the current for >> No, sir. They don't pay. They are not
regulated. Short-term rentals operate completely separate from the rental program. >> Okay, good. All right. Cool. That answers that question. What about the short-term rentals that are essentially rooming houses? Okay. The the the owner rents out this room and
the that room and this or they're totally unrelated people. How is this going to impact that? So that's where Florida statute comes in. Florida Florida statute dictates uh what a rental is, but it also dictates more importantly for us what a short-term rental is, which is less than
30 days more than three times per year. It does not allow us to quantify how many people are living inside. What we can do, however, when it comes to zoning, we have uh multif family homes, we have single family homes. Multif family homes cannot be in single family
uh zoned districts. So when we go to inspect, that's one of the things we're going to be looking for is is this home a multif family home? Was it converted to a multif family home? Uh if that's the case, they won't they will not be issued a certificate certificate of use until the home is restored to the proper
zone. So going back to your question about uh the people that are in there, we can't dictate whether or not somebody can rent a property or rent a room. What we can do is make sure they're licensed properly uh through the state. uh and hold them accountable for the
certificate of use. >> What if they're both? I have, as a case in point, two houses down from me. When the owner is in town, he rents the rooms out. When he's out of town, it's a VRBO or or an Airbnb and he rents it to to one group. How how does this impact that
or what can we do with that? >> He will fall under the same certificate of use. So, when he applies, uh the application will have the number of of bedrooms. Uh it'll have uh the the type of home whether single family, multif family, whatever that that may be,
mobile home. Um when he applies it, it's going to be followed up by that that inspection. Uh we we won't be able to dictate per se how many people are living um on the
property except for the fact that our ordinance states two persons per bedroom plus two additional occupants. the what we're looking at in regular reg regular rental homes uh are the occupancy levels of three unrelated of people that's not going to apply to these short-term
rentals. So, how do I tell my what do I tell my neighbors when they they they wonder, well, how can this be allowed? >> That's a separate issue. That doesn't necessarily deal with this ordinance. Then, last but not least, enforcement of
the parking on the street uh or the off streetet parking. >> It would have to be brought before code enforcement. That takes 30 days to be noted. Those people are gone by then. So, you have you have weeks on end of of five, six cars on the street and they're
all they're all staying at this one house. How do we deal how, you know, we what's our options with that? >> In this case, it's going to go directly to the property owner. So, the property owner will will be will be cited. Um, he will have the the violation which will go in front of the uh the MCB. Uh, I've
spoken to our to our police. They're on board with um working with us. they will have the same list that we have of the responsible parties. So when if we get a a complaint uh number one, it's going to go through our program. It'll also go to the police on the weekends, holidays,
things like that in the evenings. Uh they will then approach, they will let us know. We will then uh pursue the the property owner um for the violations. We also have uh direct access to report them to the hosting sites if need be, if it gets to that point. So we have we
have different levels of accountability. >> Please don't misinterpret my turseness and my questions to what you guys are doing or what we're trying to do. It's just overall the it's a problem. It's a serious problem. >> Absolutely. So >> this ordinance gives us a little bit more teeth. >> It does. It does. Thank you.
>> Other questions? Council member Chambers. >> Yeah. Um to follow up on the whole house rental thing. So if you have a property in our city that's owned by a corporation or another person and they rent it year round, college students at USF or whatever, that's part of our
rental program now. Correct. >> Anything more than 30 days. Yes, sir. >> Okay. That's the cut off. So this will fill in that gap. So we have control over a whole house rental for shortterm for like a Bucks game or lightning game or something. >> Correct. >> That's all I want to know. Thank you,
>> Council Member Fernandez. >> So I have a question for you about parking enforcement. Um, when I go to cities that have very, let's say St. Augustine, very tight parking, you stay in a VBO or Airbnb and it's very
strictly told to you by the property owner or manager where you can park. But those cities, those owners, they or managers, they've clearly had some there's some sort of mechanism that they
strictly enforce those parameters at the time when you rent it. Do we know what they do in order to have that the property owner/manager be on board with the strict enforcement
of where people can park? the noise ordinances and some of the other factors that could make a short-term rental unpleasant to a neighborhood. >> Absolutely. Uh, one of the things this ordinance does, it it creates a
situation where the advertising will have to display that. Currently, if you look at some of the Airbnbs or VBOs or short-term rentals in our area, it says that they can host up to 15 people when this is a three-bedroom home. Uh, this is going to restrict that. So, it's going to be truth and advertising. Uh,
we're going to see that. That's part of the program is we're going to have visual visual opportunities to see this on a daily basis. Uh, part of the application is also the parking requirements. There has to be a sketch as part of that. Um, basically the cars
have to fit in the driveway. If the cars do not fit in the driveway, regardless of whether street parking is allowed or not, uh, that will exceed the capacity for the parking. Now, let's say it's in a neighborhood where only two cars can fit in that in that driveway, but you go
by the house and parking is allowed on the road and there's a there's a car parked in the street. That's not a violation. The only thing that that we're looking at for that is to make sure that the parking fits in the driveway. That way, there's not overcrowding on the street. Currently,
we have one that we're working on where there are double lines going around the corner. The Airbnb sits on the corner. the people from the home there's there's multiple cars parked there all the time. They park on that road so block it blocks the double yellow line which means the police get called we get called. Uh that's because there's no
control right now over how many cars can park in the driveway. So again this gives us a little bit more u control over that. Also inside the home there's going to be a placard that uh explains all of these these things. uh how many
cars can park there, what the occupancy levels are, who to contact. So, the information that's being put out there is going to be uh much more than it is right now because right now it's just what's available on the uh the website that they're renting through.
>> Okay. So, I just just to clarify, you know, right now if I go to a a property in St. Augustine or Savannah, Georgia or or Penllis County where there's very little parking and it's very strictly enforced. What kind of enforcement
mechanism do we have to follow up on basically the code enforcement aspect right now? If you are a property owner and you're consistently violating some like parking on the lawn or something, it takes there's a there's a
process and it takes a time period before it comes in front of code enforcement before there's any uh before it's addressed. And in this case, you've got somebody in town for the weekend for the USF game and then they're gone and
the situ that particular situation is gone until the next weekend and then it's back and it's intermittent. How specifically, how are we able to enforce the things that we're we're looking to put in place to make those short-term
rentals more compatible with the residential aspects of the neighborhoods that they're in. >> I understand. So, right now, as it sits right now, this minute, if I go out there and I see a car parked in the grass and I know it's it's a short-term
rental, I can go ahead and tell the homeowner, "Hey, here's a a warning. Here's a notice of violation, even a notice of hearing within a few days, maybe even that same day, that it'll be corrected." And now they're in compliance. Right? This ordinance says,
"You park on the grass, you park somewhere you're not supposed to, this property is now not in compliance. you're going to get the NOV. You're going to get the the notice of hearing. You're going to come in front of the board. There there's not a a notice of compliance because it's happened and is violating this ordinance that we're
creating right now. There's not an ordinance that does that. Um the parking, yes, but it's a oneanddone. You park, you're you move it, you're now in compliance. This gives us uh the authorization to really hold that um
owner property owner accountable. Now, we don't see that too often. We have our ones and twos that uh are really kind of pushing the envelope with that. Uh so, by and large, I I believe that most rental operators are going to be in compliance and they're not going to have any issues with this.
>> Thank you. >> Other questions, council members? >> Thank you, Mr. Shanks. If there are no further questions, I will ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance. An ordinance of the city council of
Temple Terrace, Florida, creating division three of article 4, chapter 8 of the Temple Terrace Code of Ordinances, entitled short-term rentals, providing definitions establishing a
certificate of use program for shortterm rental properties, providing for inspections of short-term rental properties to ensure consistency with the Florida Building Code and Florida Fire Prevention Code providing for
short-term rental property advertising requirements providing provisions for the regulation of occupancy of short-term rental properties providing parking regulations for shortterm rental properties.
Providing for penalties for the non-compliance, providing for severability, providing for inclusion in chapter 8 of the code of ordinances, which governs buildings and fire prevention, providing
for scribers errors, and providing an effective date. >> Thank you, madame clerk. Uh, council members, is there a motion to approve? >> Move to approve on first reading ordinance creating a short-term rental requirements. >> Second. >> Second. Any comments on the motion?
>> I have a comment. >> Yes, vice >> comment. Um I I in favor of this. You guys have done a great This is hard. I'm sure this has been very difficult to to to put together. One thing I'd like to see for the second reading if at all possible is expand more if we could on
the parking issue. How is the how's the code enforcement board going to deal with this? are they gonna you know we'll make sure they don't have the mindset well okay well they were there now they're not there now they're in compliance we wash our hands on the whole thing that comment that you made
really really rang home with me because what you violated you violated so I'd like to see how like to know more on how that's going to work um as far as again not trying to be punitive but just let that owner know that your people can't your people can't do that because I
guarantee you there's three cars parked on my street right now that that are are in that house. So anyway, that's but I'm in favor of this and I'm glad you guys are putting this down. It's good work. Thank you. >> Just clarify, make sure I heard correctly. Are you requesting changes be
made before the second? >> I'm not asking for any changes. Just when you come back for the there's no need to change what we got. Just a commentary as to how this could work. Okay. I just wonder if we don't we don't want to tie their hands and say, okay, they code enforcement says, well, wait a minute. What can we do about it? You
know, that's all. Council M. >> No discussion but comments. So, uh, thank you um, all the staff, city attorney, everybody that's been involved with this for years. It's been a goal, at least of mine, and I know of this council to, uh, look after the life safety of the occupants of these
short-term rentals. Now, we have some this approved on second reading. They will have something in place to, uh, ensure that the carbon monoxide systems are working, the smoke detectors and all that. That's been a big concern of mine for a long time. And again this council I know a couple goal setting sessions.
So thank you and also thank you for researching this with other municipalities and entities that have stand this is sto stood up to the courts with them. Thank you. >> I I have one brief comment and and uh first of all thank you to Mr. Mueller,
Mr. Shanks. This is a wonderful I I read this probably five times yesterday. I had you on the phone for an hour asking questions. Terrific job. And so this has been a goal of the council. I mean, I've been on the council since 2016 and you guys were talking about it before I got
here. So people ask, well, what changed, right? Did you guys just have an epiphany and all of a sudden decide to that you could do an ordinance when all these years you've said you couldn't? I just want everybody to understand there have been some changes and that is that
since 2011 cities have tried to regulate short-term rental and wound up in court and lost. Right? And so now there is a body of court cases where you can go in and discern what exactly in their
ordinances did the courts find what the problem was. And so these other jurisdictions, primarily Penllis County, went did that work. They went through and said, "Okay, this court held that this part was invalid. This one was invalid. This part was invalid." And so
Penllis County was able to create an ordinance that didn't conflict with any of those court cases. And we have modeled this primarily on Penllis County. And so this isn't like we had an epiphany this year or last year or this
has been something that's been worked on for since 2011 by different councils. And so what's changed is we now have more basis in court cases to know what to avoid. And so um for the for the public who's been around for a while
watching this and I want them to think you know all these years you couldn't do anything and all of a sudden you can do something. Well yes because things did change. And the other thing that I I this is going to be a huge benefit particularly in Pleasant Terrace
>> because of the football stadium that's going up there. >> I I personally know of homes that have sold in that neighborhood for the for the prime for the explicit reason of having um using them for football games
and short-term rentals in between the football games. And so this is going to be a big benefit uh in in that. And so thank you uh all for your work on that. I'm sure it's probably not perfect, but it looks pretty good to me. So I I'm
very pleased with your work. Thank you. >> Excellent start. >> Okay. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Opposed. No nays. Ordinance is adopted on first reading and will appear for a second reading and public hearing on Tuesday, December 16th, 2025.
Next, we move on to new business and board reports. And I know council member Chambers has uh some new new business. >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor uh Vice Mayor, Council Member Fernandez. Uh this is a time of year that uh sometimes this council will grant Christmas Eve day off
to our city employees. Uh this year though, Christmas uh falls on a Thursday and it seems like it might be appropriate to uh uh if we want to go that route, give the employees Friday, December 26 off
>> that uh a lot I think the city manager has uh discussed this with his department heads and developed a plan. So that will be uh uh my my motion that we uh give uh city employees Friday, December 26 off as a city holiday.
>> Second >> motion and second discussion. >> Excellent. I just want to say thank you. Thank you. Please pass that on to your employees. When I look out here, when I walk around this place, I see the best employees anywhere. So, um thank you for
everything you do. >> All those in favor say I. I I opposed. Who's going to vote against that? >> All right. Motion is adopted. Any other new business or board reports? >> I just Yes, Vice Mayor. >> And and and quite possibly Mr. Bay is
going to talk about this defense. There was fence issue was brought up earlier. Are you had you planned on discussing that or can you address that in your report or I don't again just to because I I I got no emails on I'm flying blind on the whole I did not get an email on
this issue. So I was just curious as to if you have >> Oh, Mr. Zimmerman. >> Yes, I'm sorry. Yeah. >> Um I know that Mr. Zimman has been talking to community development. So I and they've had a difference in terms of the materials and the selection. Um I don't have anything prepared for you
right now. I can have it for the next meeting. >> Okay, that'll be fine. That's good. Thank you. That's all I have. >> Other new business or board reports? >> Okay. City Manager's Report. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. Um, at your August 19th
meeting, um, city council entertained several proposals for possible acquisition of the city's property, 8901 North 56th Street. Uh, the proposal that that was acceptable to council that evening uh was from the Courtzside Group
LLC for it was called a Blazing Paddle Sports Hub proposal. This was for a um recreational facility with pickle ball courts and a food and beverage component. Council that evening directed the staff to retain outside legal counsel and conducted an analysis of the
blazing paddles proposal because there were some questions that were raised here uh at council uh concerning the financial wherewithal of of that of this particular submitt. Staff went ahead and we retained the services of our outside legal counsel. It happened to be the Great Robinson Law
Firm in this effort. uh Gray Robinson went ahead and did a title review which is in your backup. So there's an alt to commitment letter there that talks about and clarifies any title issues. We also uh at the recommendation of of the outside legal counsel we retain the
services of uh Fishkind Consulting and it's president Hank Fishkind. This is a business consultancy that does as one of its services. It does reviews of proposals like this to deem you know again how strong a company might be etc.
So, um, Mr. Fishkind reviewed the the company's information, reviewed the financials that were submitted to the city, as well as met with the principles and interviewed the principles. And I believe the principles are here this evening. They're nodding. So, the other here um,
and Mr. Fishkine provided a report based on that interaction, that review that indicated three, basically three conclusions. He recommended that the uh courtside group provide a firm financial commitment for the proposed SBA loan.
Number two, that they demonstrate that they have raised the equity capital of 1.8 million as included in their financing plan. And then number three, that they increase their equity investment to bring their working capital up to $1 million. Mr. Fishkai noted that he recommended this uh in
part because of the perceived lack of operational experience for this kind of a business venture. uh although the the the courtside v uh courtside uh group has experience in business not necessarily in running this type of business. So that was a concern he had.
We provided the courtside group with an opportunity to respond to Mr. Fishkime's report um and they they submitted their response which is also in your backup. Um and I'm I'm going to summarize here and they can correct me if I miss something. They asserted primarily that
with lower borrowing costs, the SBA interest rate has dropped 75 basis points since the time they started this. Um, and they also have very conservative construction budget. They looking at a range, I think 4.7 million if memory serves on the high end of the range, and that's the number they went with from
their general contractor. So, they went with the most sort of safeguarded numbers, if you will, for construction. they felt that at least those two factors alone would help them with some flexibility uh to withstand again the the opening and the management over the
first several months to a year or so or so. Uh that were the primary concern that was raised by Mr. Fishkine. We took that response and we provided it to Mr. Fishkine just to verify ask him as he's he represents the city here. Um
he reviewed it again it's on your backup and Mr. Fishkine did not feel that it satisfies satisfied his his primary concerns. Uh again, working capital was the one that he cited as being the biggest um worry I guess he had as far as as their viability.
So that was part of this. The other part of this uh endeavor, this due diligence was also at the recommendation of Gray Robinson. If you'll recall, council, the the offer from the Courtzside Group was not for the $2 million asking price the city has on the property. It was for 1.4
4 million. So the law firm, our law firm recommended that we we secure an appraisal to determine what is the value of this property today. So we retain the services of Blue Mark Valuation Advisors. And when an appraiser looks at property, they're going to look at a variety of factors, right? They're going
to look at comps, listed comps, closed comps. In this case, they also paid particular attention to the fact that this property is not a typical sale, right? As you can tell, it's been months. So, we're still dealing with it, right? If this were typical sale, I probably would have closed already. This
is this is not a typical arms length transaction, there are certain bureaucratic or governmental hurdles that need to be overcome for this to happen. So, as you know, there's a statutory requirement, for example, for us to offer property uh for sale for 30 days, right? Where people can submit
proposals. That's where this this proposal came from. In addition, as part of that, people have to the proposers have to submit certain financials, letters of interest. they have to do some due diligence. Uh on top of that, let's say they get beyond that CRA recommendation and they got to go to the
city council. And then after that, depending on what you do, they may have to do other things like we were experiencing here today. So in addition to that, let's say they they got to the point where they closed on the property, there's still CRA requirements as an overlay district. So you can't just
develop this as you would develop, for example, on Fowler Avenue. Here we have certain requirements you have to build to the sidewalk. um you have to do a certain architectural style etc. Those are all positive requirements and I'm not suggesting that we change those. But all that combined, all those factors
combined create an an impact on the value because it's somebody could say I'll pay you 2 million, but I'll pay 2 million if if you're not going to if I can just do what I want to do. That's not necessarily the case here. So, he felt that that dampened some of the value. He also noted that this property has been on the market now for well over
two years at $2 million. again without a successful purchase. Um and then finally he noted that ironically enough at that same August meeting there was a proposal for $1.8 million from a uh lowincome
senior housing developer and the city council rightfully so rejected that proposal because if you recall the developer suggested or implied that they were going to apply for the live local tax exemption which would have wiped out all future tax revenue for that project. So it wouldn't have made sense in the long term for this community and that
was the reason it was it was rejected largely I believe. But from the appraisers perspective the city turned down $1.8 million. So that all played into this as well and I'm sure there are other factors. So based on all of that the appraisal came in at $1.445 million. So that that's the number
today. That's a public record and that's what the appraisal is. So this evening, what I would ask of council is there's a couple of decision points here and there's probably variance that you'll you'll kind of get to, which is first, do you want to pursue the blazing
paddles proposal any further? Note that if you if you do, that's fine. If you want us to move forward towards a purchase and sale based on their terms, we can do that. Um, and there's, you know, the cost of to do that, but we can do that if that's truly what you want to
do. Um, if you alternatively, or maybe not alternatively, but concurrently actually, do you want to address the price of the property knowing that the appraisal came in at 1.445? It's a public record as I mentioned. Do you want to bring the price down to that number or another number? Uh because
again even if you move forward with blazing paddles until the point at least until the point where we have assigned PNS approved by the council I would still recommend that we ex you know we continue to keep marketing the property. Um and whether you want to market at the new price or not or a new price is up to
you. Um so those are the decision points that we're looking for some direction on this evening. And we have by the way I'm sorry excuse me Mr. Mayor. Uh in addition to the gentleman from uh Courtzside Group, we have our broker John Lochner is also here in the audience. Um and we obviously have our
staff here if you have questions of of them. >> So yeah, I'm going to call them up in a second, but in your opinion, would it these there's two decision points here that are related but also separate.
Would it make more sense to talk about the the price of the property before we get into the kind of turn this around? Would it make more sense to do that discussion first? >> Sure. >> You can, like I said, that can happen
concurrently. It's not mutually exclusive issue. >> Okay. Well, I do think we owe it to Courtzside to hear what they have to say. So, if you gentlemen would like, you don't have to, but if you'd like to come up, you're welcome. >> I have some questions, too.
>> Mhm. >> Good evening. Thanks for being patient with us tonight. >> Of course. Thank you for having us. It's back. >> Happy holidays, everyone. >> Thank you. >> Um, yeah, we're happy to entertain and answer any questions that you have. But uh reviewing uh Fishkine's report and
having the opportunity to meet with him, the takeaways for us really were that he emphatically kind of put a stamp of approval on our business plan, our assumptions, our pricing. Uh the the biggest call out that he really had was our operating experience and needing the
$1 million uh in working capital going into to opening uh our business. And so what we kind of uh presented to him, one was a number of factors. um the SBA loan term that we would have would have I believe 18 months before any debt would need to be repaid. It's kind of built in
a way that gives us grace as we're opening uh our program. And the the budget as the city manager uh highlighted is we did assume the 4.7 million which is the highest end of the range from our general contractor and then the SBA has its own 10% um
additional kind of grace on top of that that's baked into the SBA loan. So that's 460,000. So the the budget that we shared with him included that, but it also included several expenses before we were to open uh with full-time labor, part-time labor for training, I believe about $10 to
$15,000 in marketing spend to really, you know, announce ourselves. So there's a lot of expenses that were kind of baked in for uh both a worst case scenario, but also being fully prepared uh to to open our business. And so when uh if you dig into Fish Hanks Hank
Fishkin's report, he highlights that we only have 270,000 working capital when we when we open. Our assumptions and our forecast is much closer to the 1 million that he's requesting. And then we also did have conversations with Mr. Fishkind about uh future equity rounds if we
needed to. So we have the opportunity just like any startup would have to have a series A, a series B. And if push came to shove and we had to raise additional capital, you know, we'd be willing to give more equity to do so. But the the assumptions and the forecast that we have, we feel really confident in. And
again, the the biggest takeaway for us was that he was super excited about the the financial model, the business plan, uh the assumptions that we made. Um and uh one last point to to highlight is that I think his assessment was that it would bring more than $3 million in
economic value to the city of Temple Terrace. Um that's something that we hope that we can bring to life. But I don't know, Steve, if you want to add anything to that or >> No, I I think uh Jed actually covered it very well. Um at least what our perspective we were unaware to be uh
fair that Dr. Fishkine had actually responded again with a response um back to that report. Had we had that information, I think we could have come prepared. As Jed said, really the equity that we're raising, uh, we've we're raising for this project right now is a
friend and families round. Um, we have plenty of room to raise additional capital if necessary to get to the uh $1 million Dr. Fishkine is looking for. We think our model right now, again, it was sort of built on a doomsday scenario. If everything were to go wrong, how much
working capital would we actually have? We think we're much closer to the 7 to $800,000 range as we sit right now. Um, and we're happy to address any concerns that the council may have. >> Thank you. Before I forget though, could you please state your names for the record for the city clerk?
>> Jederek, resident of uh Tampa. >> Thank you. >> And Stephen Danalook. >> Thank you. >> Vice Mayor, you said you had a question. Vice Mayor, >> um, thank you for for for working with us and and working with the uh with with with Dr. for fish kind. It's very
important that we we do this we do this right. So >> my only my big question is and given the entrepreneurial aspect and and and interest that you you're putting forth with this which I like and it's and I've been
exper I've been involved with that most of my career in in accounting before I retired. My question though is does the SBA covenants that you have or at least you're working with permit the reclassification of any of these
overages and estimates like you know four you say 4.7 is your upward construction if it comes down to 4.5 what whatever you know the number does the covenants allow you to reclassify those differences um keep you know keep
the SPO and reclassify that into working capital >> yes Okay. Are you guys committed to doing that when as we go forward to help ensure that we do have that million-dollar working year? Not trying to tell you how to run the business, but we also don't want an empty building there in 3 months.
>> No. Absolutely. >> Okay. So, I mean, it would go a long ways if you could verify that the SBA covenants and documents would allow that and let let you keep it, use the money for the um for the uh uh working capital
requirements and, you know, give us a a commitment that you're willing to do that and go forward with that. And if we come out $95,000, you'll find that extra equity to get us to the million dollars so that we can everybody here. the comfort level that
you're going to be you do everything that you can to be successful and the only way we could do that is to make sure that you you know you're established and set up properly. >> Of course. Of course. Absolutely. >> Council member Fernandez, >> I have I have a few questions.
>> Okay. Um, so I was a financial auditor with KPMG and worked on several real estate uh, invest you know resets and one of the things that I saw
is that a lot of businesses started and went out. In fact, in a in a very high number of the properties that uh were owned and rented, I would say
90% of them turned over. Um, I know from auditing restaurants and other small businesses that restaurants have an extremely low profit margin, a very high employee theft margin, and they
frequent, it's extremely difficult for operators with zero restaurant experience to stay solvent. So the concerns I have um the number one reason that small businesses go out of business is they are under capitalized. Their
working capital is is not sufficient to see them through until the business actually starts making a profit. Um the other problem is when you are not an experienced restaurant operator that is a huge
stair to climb. And I know that this topic comes up very often in the city of Temple Terrace with we have a lot of chain restaurants. We have a lot of almost a high percentage of our small restaurants go out of business. And the reason is because chains train you. They
give you a model. They give you a book. They give you they pick the location. They do everything to help make it successful. So my two concerns are I do believe you're under capitalized in your working capital and I do believe
that not having any experience in the restaurant industry is a very high hurdle to summit. I like the concept, but I don't know ha how can you provide so I do not want to be in a situation
where we approve this and 6 months later we have an empty building but you all own the property and it's an eyesore. It's been an eyesore for a number of years. So I guess how can you help
alleviate concerns that from being under capitalized and not having restaurant operator experience. >> Yeah. So Dr. Fishkine or Mr. Fishkine did mention that we do have adviserss with significant restaurant experience. I think we mentioned that in the August meeting as well. Um, but within the
budget that we provided in the financial model, we do have uh several full-time roles both for a bar manager, for a head chef, uh, for really to bring in expertise for folks that are going to be in there, you know, 40 hours a week plus to make sure that we're successful. We know that we can't do it alone and we're
also not trying to build a a business model or a financial model that's going to be solely reliant on minimum wage uh, employees. Uh, so I think that's probably two of the most critical hires that we would have are folks that have the experience that can work in day-to-day with us in addition to the advis advisors that we currently have on
staff. Um, and then on the the financial the working capital component. Um, the the 270K that we provided as working capital for the day that we open. Um, on top of that, there is the 460K
construction contingency, which I totally understand and respect Dr. Fishkine saying that like you can't use that because it might go towards construction. Um, but there's significant pre-open revenue opportunities that we have to both build our brand and marketing, but also to
drive revenue um, with pop-up tournaments that I think again we we mentioned before, but also to pre-sell to corporations in the area. um if we're able to open uh you know around the holidays next year or whatever the timing really is, we could reach out to corporations here in the local area to
hopefully pre-ell events and pre-sell uh you know team uh building opportunities. So we have that and a number of areas to drive revenue that wasn't accounted for in the model that we shared with Dr. Fishkine. >> If I can actually add to it, um I think
you know our revenue model was very diverse for a reason. I I'm looking into business. If I as an entrepreneur, if I were to talk to anybody, they would say like the restaurant business alone is one of the hardest businesses to get into, right? And I I recognize that when Jed and I were first thinking through
this idea, we wanted to optimize what is going to be a draw to a community. A food component is definitely a draw to a community. A bar aspect is a draw to a community. We talked about the concert series. We talked about our subscriptionbased model. We talked about corporate events. We're not solely
dependent on the restaurant side of things, but we will and both recognized that that will be a key hire for us in that role. What we also have discussed um because before we had ever decided on Temple Terrace, I I didn't want to have a restaurant aspect of it for the exact
reasons that you actually brought up. But we're not opposed to in this model when we have a buildout of a kitchen and actually partnering with someone. If we are starting with a a restaurant aspect of this business that as operators is
too much for us where we can handle all the other aspects, I think it's very easy for us to partner with someone and have them be the food provider of blazing paddles. Part of being in business is learning and knowing when to adapt. I have to do it in my career all the time. what worked for you yesterday
uh is not necessarily going to work for you today. And so we want to ensure that we have safeguards in place and we're putting significant financial capital of our own at risk here. I wouldn't enter any anything blind if I didn't fully believe in this idea.
So, um, out of curiosity, what is the duration that you would expect that working capital to support the business prior to actually, you know, are you expecting to need that for 6 months? Are you expecting to be in in a have a pro
turn a profit in 10 months? It's what what's the plan? >> Yeah, I think that might have been included in our response, but I think it was around six to eight months if we assumed zero dollars of revenue coming in from the day that we open. Obviously, you will control some of your expenses. You're not spending on part-time labor
if you have no revenue coming in. Uh but uh both with the SBA loan being delayed for 18 months from the moment that we go into terms with the the bank, but also the the working capital that we would have would hold at least 6 to 8 months.
And um this was also again expressed to Dr. Fishkai in that we are trying to you know limit the equity stake that we're giving up in the investor round that we have currently but we are more than willing uh as we get closer and we say you know what we did come in at 4.7 million with the general contractor and
we did use the 460k contingency we do have to raise capital at this point and giving up an additional equity sake for our business is something that we would absolutely explore it's just not a lever we need to pull right now >> okay so uh would you consider or have
you considered considered instead of building out the kitchen aspect of it, inviting food trucks for example and that would completely reduce your investment required upfront. >> We did and that was part of the initial model and something that could still be
entertained as part of like a a backup plan if you will. But one of the biggest components uh for the business as a whole is the liquor license and they are incredibly hard to come by in the secondhand market costing anywhere from two to three or $400,000.
Um but if you have a mixeduse property where more than 51% of your revenue is coming from non-alcohol then you can get it for I believe $1,800 a year. And so that's a key component for our business is to have the food revenue inhouse which is why we eventually made the decision to have all components of it in
house. But if we were to fail, we're like, we're not gonna let Blazing Paddles fail. We would explore food trucks and working with local vendors in the area. Like, we're going to do whatever it takes to be successful here. >> Are there any u facilities right now that are paddle ball? I'm sorry, pickle
ball. I'm not a player. Um I know people love it though. But so are there any pickle ball facilities? I know your model might be a little bit different than what's in the area, but do you have other area other facilities that you've
looked at that are making a profit off of pickle ball? >> Yes, absolutely. So, when we met with you in August, uh we used Topgolf as the example because we knew that that would be recognizable by folks. Uh but we didn't mention Chicken and Pickle and a number of players in the space where
they are currently um opening second locations within cities that they're already in just based off the high demand that they have. Uh there's the Pickle Ball Kingdom. There's a several franchise ees that that are growing. There's a couple of folks in
Jacksonville and um all over really that are that are doing well with this type of model. not exactly our model with some of the unique features that we're bringing to the table, but with a bar, food, and and pickle ball component, they're doing extremely well. Yeah. >> The ones that we've mentioned that are
local to to Tampa, they only have pickle ball and they're still doing incredibly well. Again, I think we mentioned in August, but they don't have air conditioning. They don't have any amenities and they're growing. There's a place that just opened in Clear Water called Pickle and Pint. They serve
frozen pizzas in local beers and have about 12 indoor courts that are doing fairly well so far. So, it's a model that we've seen not only succeed but continue to grow. Um, but the most emphatic point that I have from that is chicken and pickle being one of the largest players in the space and they
are food first and pickle ball second where we want to be, you know, pickle ball first and and food is a strong component of that. they are choosing and I believe Dallas and Phoenix to open, you know, two a second location within those cities based off the success that they've had.
>> Yeah, >> keep going. You're doing great. >> Good questions. Um well I guess I mean my last question would be probably for city staff and that is the
uh the concern and this we had the same concern when we were looking at developing it when uh we were looking at a full redevelopment years ago and that is what happens with a project that
doesn't work out the way people have anticipated but the property has been conveyed. >> Okay. Well, unless you have any provisions built into the agreement um that you enter into with the other party,
the property is just gone. I mean, if if it doesn't work out, like you mentioned earlier, council member, um unless we have some sort of clawback provision, if this that that sound like it was a direction back in August, possibly if this was going to come to fruition, you'd want some sort of clawback provision. Excuse me. But even with a
clawback provision, excuse me, pardon, still recovering. Uh, even with a clawback provision, it's the still the city's not necessarily made whole. You know, there's still some, you know, there's some loss there. So, I don't want you to think that we would do
something and they open up and they they incur all their costs and they go out of business and we're just going to, >> you know, we get the property property back and that that's not how that going to work. is going to be a negotiated give and take based on the parameters you you put in the provision. Um
so it's not clean. Um uh hence the reason you asked us to do this due diligence to get a better idea of what are the you can never guarantee this. I mean I think the gentleman there were they seem very sincere. I think they really you know believe this is going to work. >> Um we just have to protect our interest
and see his interest and that's what we did by having this vetted that way. Um and ultimately it's It's a sort of conscience call on a part of the council as to what you think as well. What do you you think this is the best interest or not of the community going forward?
>> I think council member Chambers has some questions. >> Yeah, I one question for now. Uh in your revenue projections, what percentage is the pickle ball component of your total revenues? >> I believe about 33% give or take. I'm
ballparking based off visualizing the Excel spreadsheet right now, but give or take. >> Okay. Um, my second question, I think I asked this the first time. Uh, have you spoken with our leisure services department about u partnering with tournaments or things like that?
>> Not with the department, but we did reach out to the Tampa pickle ball club and spoke with Derek Stewart about some >> Temple Terrace Pickle Ball Club. >> Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Temple Terrace Pickle Ball Club. um about opportunities to align with them and they invited us to their board meeting in January and
are really excited by the idea of uh both public and private court opportunities thriving in Temple Terrace. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I have a question that um I'm not sure who to direct it to, but you guys seem to know the answer. I have two accountants up here that probably know
the answer to this, too. And forgive my ignorance, but I'm not a business person. One of the three recommendations made by Dr. Fishkine was the number one was to provide a firm financial commitment for the proposed SBA loan.
>> What exactly does that mean? I'm not when you I'm thinking you take a loan, you're committing to make the payments. What What does that mean in business? I >> I think what he's referring to is seeing a full approval of the SBA loan. uh
which at this point we only have a term sheet because the bank is not going to give us a full approval until you know we own the land and property. They know what we're going to build. They've seen the construction set of documents. That's a hard requirement for the SBA loan. So at this point we have a term sheet with terms and I think what he
would want to see is more of a a strong commitment at that point. >> Oh, I get it now. And given that component of it, that's one of the key aspects of our initial LOI is that we had a $100,000 escrow as part of the the process, knowing that we would go into this purchase and sale agreement uh
negotiation. We would become property owners, but the SBA loan is still a key component of our financing. Uh so escrow is one of the reasons that reason is one of the reasons we increase the escrow as high as we did. >> We very much have a chicken and egg
situation, right? So once we know we have the approval for the land like everything can move forward very quickly. >> Okay, I understand. Thank you for that. >> Are there other questions for these guys? >> Okay, thank you very much. >> Thank you so much for the time. We appreciate
>> Thank you. Appreciate you coming. >> Okay, council members. So, um we if there's other questions for staff, if not we need to have some discussion here, I suppose. So, who would like to begin?
>> I'm comfortable uh with the with the u discussions that we've had and the um pledges slashpromises or whatever at least at least the uh from from the um potential owners that I think we should move
forward and let's let's let's start talking. Let's come up with the plan because they can't do anything until they get uh at least further down the road with with the city on acquiring the property, but build it such a way if
we can that if SBA falls it it blows it out of the water. There's got to be protections at least as far as that aspect of it. That's what I would like to see going forward. Um, and you know, I mean, uh, I I I I willing to take at
face value their pledges to work towards a million-doll working capital. Working capital is critical. Without it, six weeks, six months, they could be, you know, got an empty shell down there as as I stated as as you reiterated, um,
Councilman Fernandez. So, but, you know, we've got an albatross down there that we got to we we need you to work with it. See what we can do. see if we can make it go. We know the We know the property is valued theoretically pretty close uh given the the the circumstances
from the the property appraiser. Um I think we move forward with it. >> Cautious Fernandez. >> I like the concept a lot and my really
my only concern is the level of working capital. Um, I I absolutely would not use your construction estimate because I believe that construction should be expected to come
in beyond what you your uh original assessments. So, I would never think that that's available for working capital. Um, so there that's really my only concern. I like the concept and the and
the model and I think it would really energize the space. So I I don't I so I like that. I'm really it's just the working capital for me. >> Well, what do you propose we do? I think we all like the concept.
>> I don't know. Um because I don't think there's necessarily any way or if or what the way would be to require a certain level of working capital.
>> Council member Chambers. >> Well, I too like the concept. Um I attended a pickle ball tournament a couple weeks ago in the city of Lakeland and it was huge. Absolutely huge. uh they had food trucks out there because it was at the city courts and stuff and
it was it was big and of course pickle ball is is big but I've also seen uh back in the day sand volleyball was a big deal and there were a couple facilities that opened up around Tampa the same thing bar restaurant sand volleyball and now they're different facilities because that went away. I
don't think pickle ball is going to go away like sand volleyball did because um I can play pickle ball I can't do sand volleyball but anyway so that's the concept. So, I love the concept working capital. I'm not a financial person, so I don't know the concerns that my two
colleagues have. I'm more concerned if you uh purchase the property, which is or I'm not sure of all the things, but if you purchase the property so you could get the SBA loan, what if you don't get the loan? Then
what happens? And I should have probably asked that question. >> It wouldn't close. >> It wouldn't close. Okay. So that's my only concern. Working capital, that's your your concerns. Uh I can't see with this group. I I really can't see that if that's starting to fail, they won't be
trying to do something to uh change what they're doing. Otherwise, they lose a bunch. So >> manager, >> um so what what we've heard here tonight, as Council Member Jim Chambers just mentioned, is a lot about the
working capital. And the gentleman mentioned that they didn't see the uh they didn't get a chance to really respond to Mr. Fishkin's last response basically saying you know hey this is still not largely the working capital was still the issue which is what's being reflected here tonight.
One thing and I'm not sure if the gentlemen are open to it but they did mention it I think in passing at least the notion that I mean if the council if you're not comfortable some couple of you are not comfortable because of the working capital you could be the alternative there is like okay we're not going to go because of the working
capital gentlemen if you want to come back to us later you know with a different working capital amount because it sounded like it sounded like they were there's they were looking at that they weren't interested right now but maybe in the future if things shake out a little differently
with this project, that's an alternative for them. Again, I'm speaking for them. I have no idea. This may be a complete hard, you know, no-go for them. But that's just I'm just throwing that out there as an alternative if the council truly likes this concept but doesn't want to walk away from it, but
is obviously has the other concern, which I think is a valid one about the you know, trying to survive the first six months. I I'm kind of with you um council member Chambers in that you know I'm not a
experienced business person so I'm not um feel a little outgunned here in a way but I am very concerned that we hired this forensic financial person to look
this over and I agree with these gentlemen he was very complimentary of a lot of things in their plan. The business model was great. I think he supported a lot of things that that are good in this project. We all I think in
the community I I think we're all clear that the I mean everybody's excited about this concept, but I'm very concerned. I I I guess I'm not the bold risk taker when it comes to other people's money
and I'm very concerned that we've hired this person to do this financial audit who's said there's some red flags here. Not with their faulty business model, just with the they don't have any experience with the restaurant. They don't have any
experience with the the food and beverage. The pickle ball I think will be fine, but the food and beverage I mean we've seen that in the country club, >> right? Food and beverage has struggled there several times in history.
There's a new special event slashrest space. I'm not going to mention them, but they're within a few miles of here in another city that was heavy heavily capitalized and still is and it's still open, but it's not meeting projected
revenue there. And it's a good thing they have another side to their business that's providing the capital because the food and beverage isn't doing it. >> And they're way more that's a much bigger brand than than this. Um,
and they brought in people that had experience running the food and they're still struggling with that. I I'm concerned that I I I love this concept. I like these guys. I think they're very passionate and they're sincere and
they're and I think if anybody can make this work, they will do it. But I'm concerned about us doing this and then for whatever reason it fails in a year or two and even if we have a
claw, this is just bad all the way around. It's bad for them, bad for us. Even if we have some kind of clawback, it's still bad. It's just less bad, but it's still bad. And we have egg all over our face because well, you know, you went and
hired this guy who tried to tell you that they didn't have enough working capital and yet you did it anyway. How do you, you know, how do you say to the constituents, "Yeah, we did that and we had plenty of warning." I really love
the the concept, but I'm hesitant to to roll the dice when we have such concerns. I I would be in favor. I mean, if these guys can come back and solve some of this,
>> um, and I'm not even terribly concerned about, you know, provide a firm, now that I understand it, provide a firm financial commitment because they're going to put money in escrow. If they wind up not getting a loan, the property doesn't close and you know that. So, we haven't really lost anything there. Um,
I'm I'm more concerned about the working capital being pretty close to the margin. I learned a lot from your questions. Um, I think I agree with you that I don't think counting on your construction contingency is a good plan. I think you
should be worried about not having enough in your construction contingency because every building you build seems to go over. Um, yeah. I just I don't know. I'm a little reluctant on this. I'm a little hesitant. >> Yeah.
>> Question. Do we have a legal basis to where we we could require a minimal workman capital to transact do this kind of transaction? >> It's it's a trans you're it's a transaction. So you can you can request
what what you want to request whether they want to comply with it or not is that's that's the art of negotiation here. So >> to gauge the of of the sincerity on on all parties we're recogniz by by that I mean we're recognizing what what what what the fish
kind says. We're recognizing the give and take and going back and forth. the the the the the prospective buyers have also indicated that they're willing, if necessary, to go to a a supplemental equity um I can't think the right word,
equity opportunity or equity option to to to guarantee that. I mean, can we say that we're going to require a million dollar working capital in your overall budget over and above over and above your your current construction gueststimates and so forth?
>> Yes. So I I so you can say that my my opinion this isn't completely me as not an attorney but just talking as you know this isn't negotiation here >> you that's what you've been saying here this evening I think implicitly is that look if they if they came to the podium right now and said hey we heard you
we'll get a million dollars by whatever date that you you think we'll come back I think I'd be okay we just okay let's wait to see they come back at the same time we still have the property on the market >> you know all that's still going on if if that works. Um, and that wouldn't that
wouldn't require us to do anything else because right now we've already incurred time and resources to do this due diligence point. I wouldn't want to keep doing that in perpetuity. But it seems like that's the biggest issue the working capital if they could like you said vice mayor if there is a subsequent equity that you know they have to change
the equity stake and that implies changing what their plan is but that would seem to satisfy what the council is looking for potentially but again it's up to them. They've been very creative in what they've done so far. I think that there are creative ways to to re to to structure potential additional
equity infusions to give them the working capital um and still maintain the uh owner excuse me the ownership that they want to or are trying to accomplish. Um, >> if I understand what just happened here
correctly, what the council could do tonight is to say, "We love the deal," which I think we all do, but we're uncomfortable with the financial scenario, particularly the ability to get $1 million in working capital.
If you want to, if you want to, or you can. I don't know if they maybe they don't want to. I don't know. We'll just leave things as they are and if you want to come back to us if you want to and say, "Okay, we got it. We got the million dollars of working capital. We dug a little deeper. We got
another investor. Whatever we did, that might change the scenario for some of us." >> Yes. >> You want to do that? >> I mean, I'm in favor of that. I'm in favor of moving forward with it that way. Yes. >> You want Yes. >> Okay. wanted somebody craft that into a
motion and then it's up to them. I mean, if they don't if they don't want to or they don't, you know, but but I I mean, this is a great concept if it was funded. I'll give it a shot. um make a motion to
work with the uh perspective the the the the pickle ball concept and I'm sorry I can't remember the name of the organization uh blazing paddles to um uh to continue to work for towards the the deal with a
million dollar working capital threshold for consummation of the of the project. Sarah >> second >> motion in a second discussion. >> Are you >> I'm getting a side eye here from the
>> um I guess I'd ask the city manager. You feel comfortable with that or do you need something more definite like asking them to come back? >> If I could please I I I don't make hard fast motions. The motion, as you framed it, vice mayor, implies that we're taking the lead on this. And No, no, no,
no, no. I think it has to be I think the motion should say something the effect of that the the city is still interested in this proposal, but now it's in it's in their court to use, you know, pun on the thing. It's it's up to them to come and meet. You have a requirement. The
motion is basically saying, look, we we will consider this potentially in the future if they can meet the million dollars in working capital. >> That's right. I but but I want to stress the fact that we do like the concept. We're anxious. We're we're eager for this to to to come to fruition, but that
to give us the comfort level and to be able to go back to um uh our constituents and our and and the people who live next door to us that we've done everything we can to help them guar you know, not guarantee can't guarantee, but to to to work towards a successful
conclusion of the of the entire project. I think more the more words you put into the smoke. >> I know. Well, I'm just going to say what he said. >> Look, just just say we're still open to the deal. >> Yes. >> If you want to come back to us when you have a million dollars of working capital.
>> Okay. You give me the gavlin. You can make that motion. uh m move to express the uh to to to the to the uh to blazing blazing paddles that we like we like the concept and if you can come up with a million dollar
working capital threshold um >> we're still interested >> we're still interested. I'll second that. Okay. Wait a minute. And while I second it, can we discuss while they're talking? >> Yes. But let's first hear what they say.
>> There's a change. But this uh the question is out there. It's still on the market. So are you know during this time we're going to make it clear we're going to continue to leave it out on the market. >> Yeah. That didn't change. >> Yeah. >> And we have a second discussion. Council member Ch.
>> Yeah. I just So are we looking at just the million-doll capital or were there other things in the fish kind response that they haven't seen that they haven't had the ability to uh respond back to the second to the response? Do we need to even worry about anything else in
that response? I >> I think that was the biggest stumbling block was that we're working. >> We didn't commit to the deal. We just said we're still interested. Come back and we'll That doesn't mean we're not going to have further questions as >> Okay, >> discussion. >> I I we have a motion to second. So, it's
discussion. >> Y >> I just want to make sure that everybody's on the same page with this in the in the event in to the effect that we do like it. We want to give you guys every opportunity to to to make everybody up here feel comfortable. In
my mind, I don't think I've ever seen any project come before council uh for the CRA that mandated any kind of um working capital requirement. But this is the last piece and this is almost like a keystone to the whole area or almost the last piece, but it's keystone. It's
going to be very very visible and could be right up front, right smack dab in the middle of 56th Street. and its success is going to be paramount to the whole area. Um, and we really really don't want an empty shell there in six weeks. And I know you guys don't either.
Okay. So, so we have just Oh, I'm glad you said that because for just for the record, we have turned down other offers for other parcels because of their financial perspectives that this this is not >> the financial discovery was done earlier in this
process. We usually have done it later, but we've always done this and we've turned down the corner the the Paragon fountain fountain shops. We had another offer for that that was a great offer and we turned it down because they
couldn't provide financial ability to perform. They couldn't demonstrate. So, this isn't >> I mean, we've never put a number on. We got to have x number. Yeah. >> But we've turned down other offers because of that. >> We did. We've had other offers that we we were uncomfortable with the overall financial status, but we never said we
want a million dollars of working working capital. That's that's my point, right? >> Well, I mean, for for my part, it's not necessarily putting a specific dollar on it. That's that is the recommendation for this business to be viable.
But no, we haven't we haven't stated a dollar amount in the past because we haven't necessarily gotten to the point where we had a business model where you could actually quantify what you would really need in order to survive until
your expected profit in, you know, exceeded your expenses. though and the number one reason that businesses fail and have failed is their working capital is not there to to sustain them. So, >> okay. So, I think we have a good motion.
We >> I think we're in general agreement. So, all those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed, no nays. Thank you for your patience. >> Best of luck. We hope you come back. We really do. So,
>> thank you. still on city manager report >> second half of this discussion. >> Oh that's right we have to talk um yes >> so the appraisal came back at 1.445 445. >> That's correct.
>> Um, would you like to provide a little input on that since you are here and you have been patiently waiting? >> We don't want to make that decision without talking to our broker. >> Uh, John Lochner, Florida ROI. Good evening. Um, pretty much everything that
the city manager stated um kind of nails the situation. Uh, one clarification, the 18 offer was a mixeduse um, affordable senior housing with retail on the ground floor. Just a clarification,
excuse me. Um, the other point I'd like to make is we now have an appraisal on the record, public record. So, people will see that obviously. Um, we can we can set whatever price we want, but if
you're a developer and you have a current appraisal out there, it's hard to pay more than that, if that makes sense. >> So, you would you would be in agreement that we should probably just set the price at the appraised. >> Well, I mean, the issue is we had an
offer at 18, right? So it depends on what the development is and it depends on what the CRA board and council intends to do with the property. 18 works for something that the board and council didn't want to have.
Correct. So you have to take that into consideration. >> Yeah. Well, they would be willing to pay a little more upfront for the property if they're not going to pay taxes on it. >> Right. >> So >> except for the retail portion. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. Other questions for broker while he's up. >> Require a motion or what do we need to do with that? >> Thank you. It would require a motion. >> Yeah. Would that have to go back to the CRA first? CRA agency. >> You're I think you could do it here tonight. It's your property.
>> I'm sorry. >> Are you talking about whether it's has to be done by the CRA or >> does it have to go through the CRA process? >> No, because the property ultimately determines as the council what to do with the property. >> Okay. Okay. 1.455 I think is the
>> 1.445 >> 1.445 >> So I move that we revalue the property in our listing to the appraised value of 1.445 445 million. >> Second motion to second. Discussion.
All those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed. >> No nazs. Thank you very much. >> City manager. >> So I have all you have. >> I have two questions for him. >> Okay. Fire away. >> Um so the first has to do with the calendar that you have on the city's web
page, the homepage. I just wondered does that have all of the city events on it? So, for example, winter wonderland would be listed or anything anything that the city is organizing or sponsoring
>> it. It should there's on the and I'm going to ask our PIO, Miss Rodriguez, to come up because I know the calendar has two tabs. I think there's a meeting tab and events tab. >> Yes. >> So, are are >> Hi, good evening. I'm Maria Rodriguez, PIO. Uh yes. uh and departments should
upload uh events in there. So they should be in there. >> Okay. No, I just want people who might be listening to know that we do have a live calendar on the website on the homepage where they can find the city
council meetings and agendas, but they could also find events that are happening here that are sponsored by the city or city events. >> Yes, ma'am. Homepage. >> Thank you. And then I know that we talked about this at the last meeting, but for those who maybe didn't see it,
can you give us the schedule for updating on the water treatment and the consultants report? >> Sure. So, as we've mentioned before, we we we spoken to this uh back in
September and again again uh last month or October. Um, so the consultant CHA, there's a there's a couple of paths we're following here because this issue, as the council is aware, we've mentioned to the community multiple times. This is a complex issue, not just PAS, but it
also deals with emergency and redundancy purposes of securing our water system. So, we're looking at a number of different alternatives. I've been reporting to the council on a weekly basis all all the research and due diligence we've been doing here. So just on the PAS issue alone
um CHA was commissioned to do a study um a pilot study and an analysis and come up with a recommendation for us to consider with pricing. As we started doing that evaluation, uh our staff and their resources, their networks that
they were also discovering that there are other new technologies, cutting edge technologies that are out there that might be more affordable than some of these other state state technologies that have been used. We talked about granulator act activity carbon reverse osmosis, ion exchange. Well, there's
other things out there now that are entering the market place as you can imagine because everybody in the country is going through the same challenge right now. So we wanted to we test CHA saying we want you to test all these things. We want you to test not all these things. We're not testing the
universe of things but they're testing a variety of things. So that process because we we've had them do more. It's going to take longer. And so as we've expressed to council the to get through the pilot testing and the analysis, it's going to go into into the spring to
probably end of June or so before we get the the the recommendation back and the financial analysis that we're going to have to do because we have to report to you the council to say, "Okay, here's what it's here's what it is. Here's what it's going to cost. Now, how are we going to fund it?" So that that still will take some time. So that moved.
Originally, we thought we'd be done by the end of December, but as I mentioned, because of what I just talked about, we have to push that out. Concurrently, we're working with the uh with the city of Tampa and with Hillsboro County on other alternatives, which would also touch on PAS, which is
rather than every single community in Florida or in the Tampa Bay area all buying their filtration systems, is there a way for us to um use buy water, bulk water from either through Tampa or through the county to help
reach the numbers for PAS for PAS required by the EPA 203 31. So, we've looked at that. Uh the connection with the city of Tampa and the connection with Hillsboro County, the numbers, I don't have them right in front of me, but they were anywhere between 25 million and 35 to $40 million in that
roughly that range just to connect because we're talking about long distances, particularly for Hillsboro County. Hillsboro County would be our probably most viable option because they buy water from from Tampa Bay Water and they don't have any restrictions to sell. Um, Tampa has some restrictions,
but Hills Pillsburg County is also the longest run. It would probably be a three-mile run of pipe and that is going to be very, very costly and underground work as we know from the Fowler project is not easy and can be complicated. Right? So, we've got those numbers. We're looking at that. We've also looked
at um just for the redundancy alone aside from PAS uh looking at do we get a another storage tank for water and I reported the council on this as well. If we got another storage tank we could at least address some of those emergency
issues. For example, if we have to take a tank down >> we took Sunnydale took that tank down. We also took down the wells that that fed that tank. >> So that created a lot of pressure challenges on the city system. So if we get another tank and we can acquire it and and construct it, that might help
with that. So even if we never connect to Tampa or the county again, because I'm talking we're talking 25 to $40 million numbers, that may not come to fruition. So perhaps a tank will be another alternative in addition to still looking at the PAS solution, which we're analyzing right now and testing. So that
that's where we are. Uh I will tell the public uh just like I've mentioned here, we are updating our water questions page on our website. So, anyone for the public that wants to know sort of what's the latest, please go to the water questions uh tab on our city website. We
have updates on there. Well, bunch of what I talked about just now has been up there for several weeks already on on that website. And when we get new information, we will continue to put it out there. Um, and then once we get closer and we have a package of real substantive alternatives that we can
actually bring to you, then I think that's when we like we suggested I suggested, you know, scheduling another town hall uh and and doing that that that public meeting setting so that the the public can have personal direct information. So just for the consultant
when we would expect maybe we're talking they would come back with their report sometime in June when they present will they present several options to the council for us to consider.
>> I would imagine that they probably would and there would probably be costs and and pros and cons associated with those options. >> Um that's what I would would consider that they would do. There's probably one option that will probably be the one that they again will be the number one recommendation based on combination of factors, but they will probably cite
others that they've tested. Um, and there may be features to why those others aren't ranked as high. For example, could be that based on our water quality or the hardness of our water that perhaps they're not as effective as another type of system. So, that that will all be contemplated.
>> So, should we then expect to actually have a meeting? I mean, right, we won't know for sure, but to potentially have a meeting about those um solutions maybe in July or would we think we would schedule that in August?
I mean, if they come back to us in June, >> we what I what I would like to do is obviously the sooner I can get the information, the sooner we can have some financial analysis done, present it to the council first >> and then subsequent to that, schedule the town hall. Um, and because you may
give us some direction also as to some of the things you're thinking >> and then schedule a town hall. I I I give June as the date because that's the date they've given us that would probably be on the outside uh the end of June. It may be earlier and if it's earlier we need that earlier. I just I don't want to create an expectation that
it it you know will be in February or March because it it may end up being the end of June. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any other? Yes. I hate to belabor this point, but and and necessity is the mother of invention, okay? And they're going to people are
out beating the bushes coming up with new ideas all the time. I want to make sure that we're not paying for the for the for the research and new options other than them waiting for the time for it to be available uh for public consumption or what not, you know,
public edification. Can we kind of sort of go back to them and say, "Is this your best estimate?" Because I know I get pressure all the time from individuals saying, "Well, why is it going to take so long? Why are we not pushing it back three months?" And it it becomes difficult and referring to
the we referring to the to the website for for the the latest and greatest information, but people get antsy and they read into it and and we need to I would just be like say we're back to him. said, "Yeah, this what can you do it? Can you do it a
little bit quicker without jeopardizing or or sacrificing quality for which for the for the end result?" That's all I'm saying. >> Sure. No, we can certainly have that conversation. I just want to stress that um whatever solution we ultimately choose and the council supports, that's the
solution you're going to have for >> forever probably. So, you want to make sure that it's done right. So, I I will have that conversation through Mr. Warrenfelds uh and CHA about, you know, is there a way to expedite this? But again, we want to make sure we get it right because you're only going to do this this one time. Hopefully, this one
time uh because it's going to be a huge huge investment part of this of the utility. >> Any other questions for you? >> Go. >> City attorney's report. >> Nothing tonight. >> Okay. Directors, did we miss anything?
Nobody's going to stand up. Your colleagues will tackle you. Okay. Okay. Any other business? Council members, >> see, >> I just want to say good discussion tonight, good questions, good dialogue, good and and uh appreciate it. It was a
good meeting. We got a lot of good business done. Thank you to staff particularly on the short-term rental. Um we got a lot of good business transacted tonight. So, thank you. And we will be adjourned. >> Thank you. [Music]
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