##VIDEO ID:g4I84YGQOco## e e e e and welcome to the September 3rd meeting of the Temple terce City Council I can't believe it's September already somehow 24 is just like gone away I'm not sure what happened so if you would please to reme remember to silence your electronic devices and uh if you would please stand and join me in the invocation and the pledge Lord we come before for you tonight in gratitude for the many blessings we enjoy help us to remember those who are less fortunate than us and to always Provide support to them in meaningful ways grant us wisdom tonight as we strive to advance the common good of all in our amazing City amen I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the rep it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice thank you and so tonight our historical or fun or interesting fact we have to describe it different ways because sometimes it's fun sometimes it's not but it should be great tonight because it's our vice mayor's turn and so Meredith take it away tonight I thought I'd talk a little bit about the Temple Terrace Sentinel and I was just kind of perusing the USF digital comments and I read through some archived newspapers from the earlier days of Temple Terrace and many of us know about the Temple Terrace Beacon but today I'm going to talk about the Temple Terrace Sentinel which was in print from January 17th 1940 through July 4th 1946 the publication was edited by John L Perry Jr whose home was on Willowick Avenue this publication was published weekly in a newsletter format with the tagline Temple Terrace's first newspaper we print only the truth it wasn't really the truth though because the first newspaper was actually the beacon which was first published in 1931 but I I don't think the Sentinel authors um intentionally misrepresented that fact so it cost 10 cents per month for subscribers and um 19 in 1940 um but that would be about $210 or 15 today per month and the Publications content which was written by reporters Jimmy Hawk juel Swanson Johnny renick Bunny schulzki and Whitney penel includes Community News births deaths illnesses Civic announcements classified advertisements mostly from allinson's grocery and anecdotes all of which you can view on the digital Commons website so I found something interesting as I was reading through some of these and that's that the newspapers I guess it's it's uh sophistication and content changes a lot over the course of its 6 years and in the beginning it's really simple really short and kind of like cute quips like for example from 1940 I have one that says musical notes withdrawn on musical notes and it says we're proud of our musical talent in Temple Terrace Mr Man an accordion teacher is very good even the mayor takes lessons from him and Mrs Venter is a fine piano teacher and several people take lessons from her so it's really simplistic and short and that's the whole article but as you get into later times like 1946 you start to get longer articles and there's like a profile of the Gillette and um one article it was kind of cute said Wednesday afternoon paty renck Tampa Daily Times carrier saw Mitsy her dog knocked into the side of the road by a hit and run driver Mrs jobson who happened to be nearby gave the dog first aid by checking the license number py located the driver at the golf club after he came in from playing golf she learned from the man a Mr Dixon that he wasn't even sorry so so you can read through these and they're kind of charming this one even has a resolution um showing appreciation for the principal of the school and at the end of the resolution it said part of the resolution is that the resolution be sent to the Temple Terrace Sentinel to be published and it was so it was kind of I don't know well-known well publicized but the breadth of the news newsletter is surprisingly wide and it sometimes even covers things from outside of Temple Terrace but as I read more editions of the newslet newspaper I noticed change I noticed um that um the person who wrote it um John Perry his father was also named John Perry so it was kind of hard to tell like who was the actual author because the author was 11 years old when he started this and he continued until he was 15 so it was written by a kid and I looked up the birth dates of all the other people who helped write the newspaper and they were all ranging in age from 10 to 17 as well so Temple Terrace's second Community newspaper was a youth publication that was read by an audience of all ages in this community when it was only about 200 or so people so there you have it cool thank and um for a 16 or 17 year old kid in 1945 or 6 if you read his stuff around election time he had some very strong opinions for a for a teenage boy and so don't T change a channel that's coming back up so very good thank you Mar so this is a great honor ladies and gentlemen I'd like to call one of our employees of Floyd doer to the podium please Mr Dozer is one of our meter readers in the utility billing department and uh we have a lot of uh we we brag all the time about our employees but usually the public gets to see the more most public facing you know the Leisure Services the police the fire um it's not as frequent that we get to recognize somebody who's less public facing or less and and so this is a terrific honor um I'd like to thank Mr Dozer for being here tonight I know you've worked all day and so this is not uh it's easy for us but so Mr Dozer is here um because in his uh work as a meter reader um he had the opportunity to to LEAP into action here and actually save one of his co-workers lives and so um his life-saving efforts in response to a medical emergency involving a fellow employee who I believe is here also this is Mary um as a result of his quick thinking and immediate action uh he managed to prevent Mary from suffering what could have been a potentially life altering situation and so um we wanted to give a certificate of recognition to Mr doer publicly U for these efforts and and I have to tell the public that these kind of thing although life saving doesn't happen every day but um these kinds of things happen in Temple Terrace all the time and we don't always get a chance to talk about them so so um we're very proud of your work not just for saving Mary we're very grateful for that but we're also grateful for your work that you do for us all the time so would you like to say a few words um like I was talking to you earlier I would have did that for anybody I would have did it for anybody so that's pretty much it so how long have you been with the city for uh live almost a year and a half now really yes sir good well I hope we're treating you well oh yes sir yes sir yes sir so let's give him a round of applause [Applause] okay picture all right three two one thank you [Applause] okie dokie so our next oh we have more good news this is really good news this is stuff that we're really proud of we're proud of Floyd too but we're really really proud of this so the best of the best Awards uh many of you know this already celebrate businesses and organizations nearly 200 categories it's a vote-based contest focusing on and highlighting the best cities businesses companies groups locations items and services in the Tampa Bay Area nominations for the best of the best categories were provided to the Tampa Bay Times by the community during the nomination period uh which opened on April 24th this year nominees were required to be individuals organizations businesses and schools that serve the Tampa Bay Region after the nomination period period was closed on May 29th uh the names of the nominated organizations and businesses in each category were finalized and the best of the best voting ballot was prepared on June 5th the voting period opened and members of the community were asked to vote on one choice in each category all voting was done online through a provided link to the voting platform and all voters were asked to provide their names and email addresses for ver verification purposes so you couldn't just vote vote vote vote vote right nominations and votes were tallied by a third- party Service uh best of the best and its Affiliates did not know the results of the contest until after the votes were tabulated the official results of the best of the best winners were published in the August 25th Tampa Bay Times Sunday edition and in the best of the best HomeTown category the best of the best Awards was presented to guests right the city of Temple Terrace so I think everybody on the day we should go down and get a photograph this is not just a council this is manager I don't know if we can fit all the directors up here or not but let's try to cram as many people as we can we could put 27,000 residents up here too is this going to work can all of you scoot over like one little bit Jason okay right Perfect all right three two one got it [Applause] okay has everybody had an opportunity to review the August 20th minutes from our city council meeting and if so is there a motion to approve second any corrections or amendments to the minutes if not all those in favor say I I I opposed no Nays minutes are adopted persons wishing to be heard on items not listed on the agenda or items on the consent agenda there are forms in the back of the room if there's anybody here who would like to address the council at this time for items not on the agenda or items on the consent agenda I currently have no requests to speak and I don't see anybody coming up so uh is there a motion to approve the consent agenda so moved second all those in favor say I I I opposed no n a consent agenda is adopted next item is a public hearing the first public hearing and first reading of ordinance 1570 approving the fiscal year 2025 tax levy I will open the public hearing and ask our finance director Jim Ingram to explain good evening mayor Ross and city council in accordance with the applicable provisions of the city Charter and the Florida Statutes the city council scheduled two public hearings on the property tax millage Levy the first hearing is being held tonight September 3rd 2024 to solicit public comments on the proposed property tax millage Levy prior to the adoption of the annual budget for the 2025 fiscal year the agenda has been structured to provide the council with the opportunity to comply with both City Charter and Florida statutory requirements on the budget and tax levy the council convened a public hearing on the proposed property tax millage Levy and made announcements at the public hearing prior to formal consider consideration of the attached resolution the recommended city of Temple Terrace Florida property tax millage rate for fiscal year 20125 is 6455 per $1,000 of assessed value which is the identical Mill from the current fiscal year millage rate of 6 . 455 the recommended property tax millage rate of 6.45 is 3663 Ms or 6.02% higher than the roll back rate of 6887 subsequent to the adoption the council should take action to approve the attached ordinance approving the adval Orum tax rate for the upcoming fiscal year if approved on first reading of the ordinance on September 3rd 2024 it is to be scheduled for second and final reading on September 17th 2024 main reasons for advolum tax revenues increasing are a proposed 4% cost of living adjustment to General employees and 2% Merit pay increase upon a successful performance evaluation funding for the first year of a new year uh new three-year five fire Union contract and the second year of the uh police Union contract second of three years a 24% increase in general liability insurance a 31% increase in property insurance a 12% increase in auto insurance a 12% increase in health or medical insurance $52,000 in compliance efficiencies and organizational security improvements overall 4% increase in operational cost cost to maintain funding of current services and programs and I will add that there are some cost reductions as well built into this including probably the most significant one is a 6% decrease in building maintenance through consolidation and inhouse use instead of going out to on contracts that is the discussion part for the millage rate tax levy I am happy to answer any questions you might have thank you Mr Ingram are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item seeing none council member questions council members I do I think yes city manager just would like to clarify one item that came up during the workshops if you'd allow me just to have a slide a couple of slides just to show here um so just wanted to just further reinforce the notion of our millage rate so as you can see here from this illustration the millage rate has been progressively on on a decline for a good good chunk of time and actually has been flat for the last several years as uh Mr Ingram alluded to but I wanted to the item I really want to draw the Public's attention to is uh this one right here showing the total millage rate so if you when you look at your tax bill it's not just the city you get the city the county the Special Districts Etc so when you do all the math what you end up getting is this scenario here so on the in fy2 proposed millage that we have before you again not changed from last year your your your tax rate is about 18 1876 Ms uh in Tampa it's 19.07 mils I wanted to make sure the council was aware of that and the public especially because it came up as a discussion point in in July at the last Workshop um so just to illustrate where we stand relative to our large neighbor here to our uh West and that's all I have Mr bu okay council members council member Fernandez um the only thing I would ask is if you can explain so that the public understands the difference between what we're we're proposing as our millage rate and that it's the millage rate itself is not changing but what the roll back rate means the roll back rate is essentially a uh uh a calculation that the the property appraiser does after we enter in our proposed rate and looking at the the values how the values have changed over the year and it's uh essentially the rate to get the same amount of Revenue that we brought in last year we would go to what they call the roll back rate which I believe was 6.08 77 I just want to make sure that that was out there the questions council members okay if not I'll close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance an ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace Florida adopting a millage rate of 6455 Ms for fiscal year 2025 said millage rate being 3663 Ms or 6.02% more than the roll back rate of 6 60877 Ms providing a cability clause and providing an effective date is there a motion move to approve ordinance 1570 on first reading approving the fiscal year 2025 tax levy second motion a second any discussion of the motion I do is this the time for comments yes um I just want to say that I do really appreciate the hard work that all the staff has done including the finance department uh because every Department Works to create their budget but um I think that you all put a lot of effort into making this a responsible budget and making sure that we can find cost savings wherever we've been able to so I I I know it's a lot of effort thank you Mr Shan would you please call the role um Council council person Fernandez yes here hi I this is this is a yay or nay or yes or no councilman Chambers yes mayor Ros yes councilman schisler yes councilman councilwoman council person yes very good okay the uh ordinance is passed unanimously and will appear for second reading on and public hearing on Tuesday September the 17th next item is related to this it is the first public hearing and first reading of ordinance 1571 adopting the fiscal year 2025 annual budget I will open the public hearing and once again our finance director Jim Ingram is here to explain thank you and I want to thank you um council person Fernandez for the uh kind comments I know it's uh the whole city staff directors it is a big team effort and uh special thanks to our assistant Finance director Jennifer Newman has put a lot of time and effort and thought into bringing about this budget together proposed budget in accordance with the applicable prision provisions of the city Charter and the Florida Statutes the first of two public hearings is being held on Tuesday September 3rd at 6 p.m. and here we are to solicit public comment on the annual budget for the upcoming 20 25 fiscal year notification of the public hearing was initially provided to all property owners in the truth in millage or trim notices provided by the property appraisers office in mid August the recommended budget was presented to the city council in a series of budget workshops to review and solicit adjustments to the allocations of the budget documents the total City fiscal year 2025 budget amounts to 100, 9442 153 a budget summary document is attached illustrating the total budget for the upcoming fiscal year this is in the same format that the state requires us to use for the advertisements for the second hearing and we were also able to to provide you late last week a more expanded addition of that budget was some the page is still under construction it's uh that is a that is a humongous effort just putting that big book together um the proposed 2025 budget reflects the following the M rate of 6.45 five has not changed from last year's milit rate a 5.0 increase in single family residential and Commercial sanitation rates beginning October 1st 2024 I do want to point out that in when I saw the uh the agenda in our module or granicus the under this discussion somehow it got changed to zero and the bullet points were missing I don't know what that was about but it is 5% not 0% $700,000 to replace two severely aging sanitation trucks that goes along with the 5% increase 5% increase in water sewer and irrigation rates beginning October 1st 2024 and this budget includes 4 point or 4, 855,000 500 in water and sewer infrastructure improvements including 2 million for phase one of the banic burn Downs Avenue water main construction there a total of 7,766 th200 in capital projects using unassigned general fund balance and other general fund reserves and this is important because none of that 7 million is calculated into the millage rate the tax levy because we are using basically reserves that have been built up over the last few years due to um some good fortune the city has had and uh property values rising and uh more uh property tax dollars coming through but these are projects that we have been talking about for a while and it it prevents us from having to go out and borrow money as well among these projects are the Riverside Park construction 3 million with an additional 400,000 from the Tiff reserves since it's a CRA project the city obligation for a new City emergency Operation Center $1.5 million and that's along with a $4.45 million Grant we are receiving from the state that was included in fiscal year 24 budget a public safety complex conceptual design $200,000 family Recreation Center service road paving and curbing project $750,000 and a new enterprise resource planning system $2 million which I think anybody that works here at the city can tell you is very badly needed 2, 36,27023 and Community parks and recreation facility improvements 1,500,000 in structural resurfacing projects which comes from our streets in Street Improvement fund again something separate from the general fund that is not affected by the property tax 725,000 in Street Improvement fund trucks 825,000 in arpa funed storm water construction projects and this should be the last you ever see of arpa in the budget that that's the last um of the expenditures we'll have 250,000 in non arpa funded storm water projects 100,000 for the Centennial Celebration 40,000 from already existing restricted funds and 60,000 from the unassigned fund balance $ 17,785 of non- capital but one-time expenditures using unassigned fund balance including police equipment Recreational Equipment a building fee study software installation and network security 4% cost of living adjustment salary increase for General employees and 2% Merit pay increase upon a successful performance evaluation and finally a Citywide increase of 2.75 FTE and that is it for the review of the entire budget and I will stand for any questions you might have thank you Mr Ingram are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item seeing none council members questions council member Fernandez um obviously we have seen extensive material and had a lot of discussion through the budget workshops that we have held but when would the public be able to see the like at like so after this meeting with the first reading and if somebody wanted to look at the budget maybe in a more comprehensive document when would they be able to see it because our second reading should be the next meeting right in the 17th yes on the 17th um we do have the condensed version that's was provided in the agenda and uh we do have the version that we sent all of you which is also available to the public by request they can call the finance department they can call the clerk's office and we will be glad to to to give them uh a much bigger document with uh more of the numbers and more detail that's it council member questions council member schisler for everybody's edification what is the breakdown between operating Revenue operating expenses and capital of the 100 million right um okay you you're looking for number breakdown roughly okay let me look at my numbers here um capital I need to turn to my Capital [Applause] section the capital which includes all the unassigned we have about $8 million in the unassigned is roughly around 1920 million I do not have the number total number off the top of my head or printed down here for the uh operating it may be in this uh actually let me just give me a moment here I think I do have it here yeah in the um the big the big book we sent out Friday is actually on page 139 it's the total operating is um 2,750,000 and $11 so the capital is close but not quite the same up to the same amount as the operating expenditures on a ho and that's whole city thank you great you're welcome other questions council members seeing none thank you very much Mr inam I will close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance an ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace Florida adopting the final operating budget for fiscal year beginning October 1 2024 and ending September 30th 2025 and the capital Improvement budget give a notice of the public hearings there on authorizing the city manager to issue such instructions as are necessary to achieve and accomplish the service programs authorizing the city manager or the finance director to transfer monies among the Departments and programs within any fund authorizing the city manager or the finance director upon receipt of a donation or Grant to appropriate send funds in the expenditure line item of the program as requested by the donor granter providing a severability clause effective date and repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinances in Conflict here with thank you madam clerk is there a motion to approve the budget on first reading I move to adopt the ordinance 15 71 adopting the fiscal year 2025 annual budget on first reading second discussion of the motion of comment council member schisler um I just for for everybody's edification the uh uh we just we discussed the property taxes and everybody should know that that's just a portion of the revenues that are that are necessary in order to to to carry the budget we have the Enterprise funds we have Tiff funds we have CIT and it all comes into play so it's it's not our property taxes that are funding this entire thing so this is why we're we're able to keep the property taxes at at the level that they are year after year like this uh property values go down that could change other these other these other taxing sources dry up like CIT that could change and that would be that could be a problem so I just wanted to uh the other thing was the reserves give yourselves credit the host everybody this is building efficiencies where you guys have done things smarter better and more more efficient um to to allow us to have these funds to to uh offset uh any kind of future Revenue requirements but uh no it's a good budget thank you thank you other comments just a couple quick things I don't want to belabor the the point here but I know we've had a couple years where we have increased water and garbage um several years in a row we have done that uh it's less of an increase this year than it's been in the past I think we had a year or two of 10% increases so we're we're down to 5% I'd love to tell the public that that this is done we're over we're through with increases for a while but I can't pledge that I don't think anybody here can pledge that and so the water and the sanitation are both Enterprise funds which means they operate independent of the rest of the budget so they have to generate enough Revenue to offset the cost of providing that service most of the increases have been driven by um hard costs that we're passing through the cost of um treating our Wastewater which we pay the city of Tampa to do um and the cost of dumping our trash at the waste to energy facility on falconberg that we pay the county to do both of those costs have gone up I exponentially I think that was at 31% or something at the incinerator this year or 21% or something I mean it these These are these are huge increases um I talked to Mayor Caster last week about the Wastewater and after what we could do you know to to you know is there an end in sight to this and unfortunately a lot of the costs that we're absorbing are hard costs associated with them having to do some infrastructure improvements in the city of Tampa um to the tune of hundreds of millions of of infrastructure improvements to to treat all this Wastewater so I don't I I don't know if there's any end in sight we're we're kind of a middle person in this to get the cost from the county we have to pass it along we get the cost from the city of Tampa and we have to pass it along so um I don't see any signs of us building our own wastewater treatment facility or building our own incinerator so I think we're probably going to be um kind kind of held hostage to this um and you know there there's some good news depending on your perspective is both the county is making significant improvements to the waste of energy facility they're using some of this money to make efficiency improvements which is good um and Tampa is making improvements to do a better job of releasing um less discharge into the Bay of waste water so the the progress that's being made by those two groups are good but we're feeling the brunt of it in our water bill so um the other thing real quick you hear is talk about unassigned fund balance that's we used to talk about that in terms of reserves um there was a time not long ago when we had less than a million dollars in unassigned fund balance in the city of Temple Terrace um we set a goal of 20% of our operating budget would be we would set that much aside that seemed like an unrealistic goal when we set it we were nowhere near that every year we failed but we kept with the goal um now we have exceeded that Target in fact we in this year's budget we upped the goal to 30% or so we're proposing 25% we're proposing 25 so we're upping our goal so our reserves are healthy um and they're they're staying healthy but we are spending down some of the money in excessive 25% things like the park that's proposed um in the downtown area some of these big capital projects that's where the money is coming from so as Mr Ingram said we can avoid debt and the last and final thing and then I promise I'll be quiet is that the downtown CRA we've been talking about since long before I came around as this Project's been going on for over 20 years and we have finally reached a point where the tax revenue from the CRA from our community redevelopment area is actually paying us something in addition in it's paying the debt service and then we have some money left over and so um it's actually paying its way so some of those funds are also being directed at improvements in the CRA like the park The Pedestrian master plan so that project is actually tipped the scales and is finally starting to produce money instead of cost money um so there's a lot of good news here and it's easy for that to get lost when you get the water bill and oh my God they went up again but in the larger scheme of things there's some good news and if you look at the trim notice where we are in relation to Tampa and hilford County and the community we're actually in my opinion we're in a good spot I mean we're not the cheapest place to live in terms of taxes but we're not the most expensive either and I will put our city services up against anybody else's in in in the region so it's it's a pretty good place to be so I'm sorry okay any other comments on the motion all those in favor say I oh we need a roll call vote Mr sh will you please call the rooll council member Fernandez yay council member Chambers yes mayor Ross Yes council member schisler yes council member AEL yes good and the budget is adopted unanimously on first reading and will appear for a second reading in public hearing on Tuesday September the 17th next is should be much easier resolution approving the city's manager approving resolution approving a city manager approval of a minor modification to building elevations the master plan of development for two Parcels located at 100024 Davis Road this goes back to the last hearing we had concerning the building elevations changes and so forth and I'll let Mr be explain thank you Mr Mayor members of council um as the mayor was just stating back in on July 16th the council held a public hearing on the proposed rezoning to a plan development for a project at Davis Road for 28 homes it's part of the plan development requirement um the developers are are supposed to submit their proposed elevations at the time the developer who's who's here actually in the room if you have any questions uh was looking at the marketplace and thinking of different products and did not have the full gamut was considering it what was presented at a time with two-story homes and he was considering something would be architecturally similar but might be for example a one-story uh structure the council expressed some reservation about that and asked for approved it with the condition that they come back once they have their full elevation package that is what has been submitted to you in your backup uh this evening the uh under the city's Land Development code the uh city manager has the ability to approve minor modifications so I've tentatively approved their their plan development in in complete in sort of complete stature here uh with the understanding that if you had concerns you could obviously you could affirm that that approval or you could deny the approval it's really up to you so that's what's here before you this evening very good um are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item seeing none council member questions very good is there a motion to approve the city's manager approval of these minor modifications to the building elevations so moved second motion a second discussion all those in favor say I I I opposed no Nays thank you Mr be thank you thank you gentlemen thank you thank you for being here next is a public hearing and second reading of ordinance 1569 amending code section 14- 72 entitled local business tax so open the public hearing and finance operations manager damy de devie is here to explain hello good evening good evening mayor Ross and City Council on the first reading of this ordinance you guys asked for a presentation with uh some highlights and examples so um the first of all the business tax receipts which we will shorten to BTR on the current fee schedule we have it's been over 50 years um we've had minor updates to it throughout the years currently there's 359 main categories and 320 sub subcategories along with that we have some obsolete things and some redundant categories we also have very narrow and specific categories that will do not allow for any kind of growth among the business Community to kind of give you a demographic of what we faced this current year in 2024 we have issued 13 uh 1,361 tax receipts now some of the businesses have been currently issued multiple tax receipts based upon how our schedule is built at the moment so we only have really a total uh business of 1,223 and the breakdown is there of home businesses inside and then outside City businesses those are like your insurance companies that have an agent here that's working uh we have a total amount of categories of 359 but we're actually only using 123 of those and of That 160 businesses have been placed into the uncategorized business due to the fact that they don't really fit into anything that's out there right now so of those um btrs that were issued in 2024 as we stated there was only 123 different categories this is the nine categories that were used the most it represents about 75% of the btrs that were issued and then of course the 160 that were in unclassified so tonight I'm going to briefly discuss these four topics uh the updates and changes the impacts on the overall utilized categories that we have and the impact on some specific categories and then examples of those like like was requested so the updates and changes is that we condensed we condensed and broadened the categories up we simplified from 350 9 main categories down to only four main categories then we reduce those 320 subcategories down to 62 we also have a lot of different add-ons because some businesses have you know multiple things within themselves we could have a store that has a little restaurant inside of it so those are different add-ons that could be used we reduced that from 42 down to 27 with 10 of those being able to be used amongst many businesses and then we went ahead and simplified uh the inventory and square foot fee schedules this is an example of how we condensed currently right now we have these four categories that are pretty much the same things books magazines Publications news newspapers by the new proposed schedule we're going to just put them all into this one broad category so that'll help to simplify things for the four main categories we're going to have a different way of how their it's how their fee is actually structured and calculated so category one would be based on units other than Personnel category two would be based on square footage category three would be on inventory and four would be on personnel and then under those each of those four main categories you'll have the different subcategories that can fall under that that heading for the add-ons we do have a fifth category that we have proposed that will be there for only when it's applicable so an add-on like I stated earlier would be if they have something M you know within their business that could be used instead of issuing multiple btrs like how we're doing right now we would be just doing an add-on for the one piece that they have for instance the restaurant inside of a retail business inste of issuing them a business uh retail betr and then a restaurant one with their different uh items on there so 10 you'll notice there's only 10 that really kind of fit all of them and that's where we've reduced it down to for the inventory schedule right now we currently have 18 levels and when the change between those levels is about a 51% change we've reduced that down made it a little bit more Equitable so now the proposed level is just three levels and the difference between those three levels is only 6% that they will see a difference now our utiliz categories the average change overall of our utilized categories will be just $77.34 of an increase per business tax receipt that is not including the any of the square footage categories we had to pull that out so as you see the 76 categories saw no changes 10 will have reduced fees and 34 will have increased fees now the square footage category we have been currently on this current schedule charging two different types of fees one category is receiving the half cent per square foot and two other categories have been receiving this this uh five per square foot up to 100,000 and then 003 per square foot over that it really makes for a big difference in how we're calculating we want to make that more Equitable and since now we are trying to put everybody under the same category umbrella we would like to have them all be charged under the same rate so moving it's going to affect seven businesses it will be a manufacturer a service operation processing center those will get moved from the higher rate down to the half cent rate that will be an estimated decrease of $14,000 in revenue on the known parameters that we have at the moment uh however it should be offset with others the inventory will see an average decrease of 59.4 in fees uh per business and the Personnel depending on where they fall within the personnel the three levels uh the 0 to3 employees will'll just be doing $14.45 flat so not much of an increase there from 4 to 25 no change and then if they have more than 25 employees they're going to now have a decrease of $35.31 for the units this is an example of the changes that are going on in the current schedule we had multiple add-ons that were going on there so for a hotel motel with 20 rooms their base fee was the 5787 and then they had to pay $143 over six rooms so now with the proposed schedule we made it a little simplified it is now going to be a same base fee but instead of doing over six rooms it's just going to be per room this way we can have a charge of per room similar to everyone because we had multiple categories that some were six over six rooms some were over three room some over two so this just kind of simplifies the calculation for us the inventory this example here is a grocery store we're going to assume that they have 85 $850,000 worth of inventory currently they have their base fee plus they have their fee for inventory then we have we pulled a couple of them and they average about nine different add-ons so that's multiple business tax receipts that they are receiving as add-ons in the proposed schedule we will be doing the same base fee the inventory we have that shifted onto the new schedule and then they will only have to do the four add-ons and those add-ons are for things that they'll need state licenses for so we will have to keep those here's a Personnel uh example so let's say we have an exterminator company and he only has three employees we have the base fee of 3472 and then zero for personnel at the moment because it's the 0o to three we now have they got shifted into a uh broader category which was under 82 8102 for a base fee so you'll they'll see a little bit of an increase there and then the $445 for personnel so you'll see there is a little bit of an increase but it's not by much so just as a recap we had between our categories subcategories and add-ons we had 679 options that we have to go through with each application that we're getting to figure out where does this business fit in and proposed now we will just be looking at four categories 62 subcategories and 10 add-ons for only a 76 uh piece so that's a reduction of 603 categories so it'll be much easier to navigate through uh the current levels in the inventory 18 versus the three proposed and then the fee structures the two different fee structures for the square foot business and then the Equitable fee structure would be better for all so for the revenue you guys asked for a bottom line impact on Revenue this was very challenging to answer with the system we have we don't necessarily have all the current updated information needed to calculate this accurately so we're estimating based upon the numbers that we had an increase of about 2% overall now if we look at the worst case scenario everybody jumps in on the on the decreases we don't anticipate this but it is a possible decrease of about 6% so we're looking at a range from an increase of 2% down to a decrease of 6% with these proposed changes and the new system in place we will be able to update all the business information clean up our data base and this way about a year or so we'll be able to have a much clearer picture of where we stand we'll have a more Equitable approach that's not only easier for us to manage but it's also going to be much easier for our public to use so I stand for any questions thank you Miss Stevie are there members of the public who wish to comment on this see none council members questions yes council member schisler um will we be had will your department have the opportunity to audit existing businesses going forward to make sure that everybody's being done properly with whether um good or bad we will We Will We Will We have an internal program designed for that going forward I don't want to become you know the the the the the the the revenue police but I mean somebody could be misclassified we we wouldn't know it until we we looked at what they were doing absolutely that is actually a very big part of why we are getting this new system this first year it will be that we are looking at every single application coming in so everyone will have to go on establish an account and when that comes through we will be looking at them making sure they're fitting within the right category that there's not a category that would suit them better so as they're doing that once we get them set up in the category that they are in correctly then moving forward when they go to renew everything will stay the same they'll just be able to hit a link and be able to renew and put in any changes and the the fee structure behind that will be able to update any information if something changes just out of curiosity what was the most bizarre classification that that we had on the books honestly the one that kills me is the60 businesses that we have as unclassified but we do have um we did have some category ories for Gunk catcher or yeah there are some weird ones in there we had a a millry we had um yeah we we've had quite a few different ones that we kind of had to laugh at we understand that they were they were good 50 years ago but I haven't seen a business like that in a while thank you I do oh council member Fernandez uh so uh my first question is we're we're looking at getting enterprise system for the city how does this the business tax administration fit into that system that's a very good question that is part of the reason why we're wanting to do this at this moment our current system is not a is not able to handle the the changes and able to update us and get us things accurately so with this system that we're moving on to it is going to be operating outside of our er er P system at the moment and we will be doing data entry into it that means that no matter what happens with the Erp and how we change that we will be able to continue to function they also have the a availability to integrate in and we have it in the contract that if they are not able to integrate in we can go ahead and then part our ways okay so it's I my concern I just don't want to make this more complicated we're trying to simplify so um so a couple more questions and with regard to the categories and the add-ons and the rates that that we've created have you looked at I don't want to say we don't want to be worried that we're exactly like another jurisdiction but at the same time in the past we've had a lot of comments that it's hard to do business in Temple Terrace and and things like that so so if I'm if I'm a business in Temple Terrace am I going to find this comparable to nearby jurisdictions and easy to work so I believe so I believe that this is a very good step in in the right direction now everyone kind of handles them differently we did do some studies and we have looked at all of the different ordinances from around the area even in other places in Florida to kind of see how it how it holds up with it now with our new system we are going to be online based which is huge for them cuz right now it's paper and so with this they'll be able to go in there they will have their own way of getting into their log on they can see a flow so they'll be able the business owner will be able to see exactly where they are in the process we'll be able to communicate back and forth with them so it's going to be a lot more business friendly which I know is something that we always want to work towards so that was very big with us when we were looking for a program was to make sure that this was a business friendly and a user user friendly site so then so my last question as you were establishing the categories and rates um you did how did you go about that process we did a very very large flow chart as to figuring out what categories are they right now are it starts first with how are they calculated and that's where we kind of came into those categories of units inventory square foot and person l so that's how our current one is built it's just very very um large so with that with being able to kind of first condense them into that category then we started looking at the cost so we had maybe 20 of them that were being charged the same base fee so then we started to condense it down from there okay which ones can we roll into one retail was pretty much all being charged the same base fee so why not just have a retail category versus a shop for each we had a category for each individual type of shop same thing with professionals we had every single professional and profession out there listed whereas they're all being charged the same fee why not roll That Into You Know medical personnel and make it a little simpler to to use and go forward okay thank you other questions Council memb council member Chambers um if if this is approved when does it start so it goes into effect at the beginning of our fiscal year uh we are ready to roll if this is approved uh we can start implementation as soon as we soon as we get the okay um so we have been preparing for it and getting ready for it and as long as we have the the blessing to move forward we're going to start working on getting that to go live so that we can be ready by October 1st okay is that when businesses sign up with us October 1 every year yes it go it ranges from the October 1st to the September 30th okay thank you one more real quick so with going down from um 679 categories to what you proposed and you're thinking a 6% decrease in Revenue was there any is there any going to be any uh expenditure decrease in the amount of Tylenol you guys buy numerous so that's what I thought at the moment we have brought two employees back from retirement to assist so we have two employees that have come back to work with us because it is so cumbersome to figure this out so yes this system will definitely make it easier for us to train new Personnel to assist we will be able to assist uh the business is much quicker and um the decrease is mainly from the square footage thank you very much you're welcome another questions council members I have a few M devie so I know that will shock you so a couple questions you said retail you I first of all this is good we we've needed to work on this for years but as you well know firsthand it's sticky and every time you get under the hood and start tinkering with it you're like regretting that you ever open the hood right so um there's probably no perfect system however clarify for me when you just answered council member Fernandez about the retail space sure so suppose that there are two retail stores and they both have 1,000 square ft in a strip center along 56th Street do I understanding correctly that okay they have they both have 1,000 square ft and they both have six employees so their business tax is equal regardless of what they sell or what their annual revenues or sales are no so for retail they are based upon inventory so your inventory is what's going to drive that so the more inventory you have of course the more you will be paying their base fee is the same so if you're a retail store your base fee will be the same but that inventory is where it'll change that's your moving variable okay and that's that's what I wanted to clarify because you can have a th000 square fet and you sell you know comic books and your revenue is $200,000 a year gross and then you could have a jewelry store that your revenue is $2 million a year gross so there is a difference cor Okay so I I know you've must have done some modeling in order to come up with some Revenue predictions of up to a positive two to a -6 so we have you you had to do some modeling in order to come up with that in their modeling did you notice any disperate impact between the larger businesses versus the smaller and the thing that struck me is in your presentation the larger facilities that have over 100,000 000 sare ft of space in the new way of calculating their taxes it seems like this is a beneficial change to them but the example you gave of the small exterminator with three employees I noticed that their increases were over 100% it was more than doubled and now the numbers are not huge but it's still more than double for a small company whereas a large industrial you know in in um the industrial park or in Telecom look like it was more beneficial to them did you did you pursue that modeling to determine if there's an equitable impact on various sizes of business yes I did absolutely look at that the looking at the square footage that is mainly because of the warehouse category when we went ahead and approved that to be at that lower rate now we're having to push that out to the rest of anyone else who is under the square footage foot which is those two categories the service and uh processing centers and manufacturers so yes those did see a large decrease um they are bigger businesses but it is to make sure that we're Equitable and that is one of our criterias when we do make any changes that we have to make sure that we are Equitable amongst all of the businesses now the smaller the Exterminator prior to that was yes it it is a large increase that is I I picked for the example one of the largest increases that we would see based upon the size to show you the the change most of them will only see like the average of a $7 increase it will not be that drastic so that was just one that we could see there we could go back to not charging anything for zero to three employees that's really where the main part of it was it's just that $14 that it increased uh but we do not have any exterminators right now in the ones where it did jump we I also looked at how many people do we how many businesses do we have in each of these categories so some of these categories we need to have on the books but it doesn't mean we necessarily have them so at the moment we do not have any that that would affect uh so all of our businesses will see very minimal changes based upon the information we have because once we get updated information we'll be able to see from there okay um two more two more real quick you kind of answered this one already I just want to flesh this out a little further so I I am the longer I'm involved in government service the less likely I am to ask you did we look at what other cities did because the more I realize that that they most of the time don't know as much as we do or they're you know I'm not sure we ought to do what they're doing so um but I I see a Potential Threat here in this and that you know the the Tallahassee loves to preempt stuff and if you have the same business all over the State of Florida and you're paying a completely different tax structure here and in Tampa and Hillsboro and Miami and Fort laud you know you get what I'm saying so I've got 20 stores and I've got 20 very different taxing schemes I'm not suggesting that we should go out and and strive to be uniform if we've got something better but what but it is important that we're at least in the same ballpark right we can't be sitting in Tampa stadium and they're all over here so are we using the same general types of schemes and thought process at least so that we're not like an outlier yes that is one of the things that when I pulled all of the different ordinances from around the state I kind of saw how do they do their structure we had quite a few that had a million categories just like like us and it seems as though everyone kind of had the same categories like they all bought a template but there are other ones that have based it just the the new proposed way and when I saw that in a couple of different ones and I saw that it seemed to work out much easier and they had a much simpler interface on their their website it seemed like that was a good way to go now we did do the impact study back when we were looking at the warehouse category to see where do we fall amongst our our neighbors and we are not the highest but we're not also the lowest so we're just kind of right in that median a area and yes businesses will pay drastic changes going from different cities and different counties that is something that we saw just within um the one Warehouse that we were looking at that there are caps in certain places and then there are some who pay a lot and others Okay so I I don't know the answer to this I'm kind of embarrassed that I don't but what is the because I mean we're taxing businesses now it's not like we're just contemplating beginning to tax them so what is the appeals process if you as council member schist says you know you go and you you know you visit a business and you say well you know you're doing this and this and this and this this this is how we're going to categorize you your tax bill is X what do they do to appeal they just call you and jump up and down or is there I mean I know with property tax values there's a value adjustment board but that doesn't fit this so what is that process for appeals they would definitely contact us and ask they could ask us questions as to why they were put into a certain category and we would go over that with them and find out what is their how does their business actually work is it something that's small that maybe just needs to be handled as a simple add-on or is it something that we need to make sure that we are correctly charging them so they have the availability to give us a call and we can review anything like I stated they we will be reviewing every single business this year that is part of our audit uh so that we can make sure that we will have the correct business put into the the right category so that is likely to draw some appeals it could very well do you get appeals now under the current structure nope okay I have another question yes council member fernandz for the City attorney actually should we have something a policy that actually gives a more formal process for when a business does not agree because it's one thing they can call the city and they can discuss But ultimately at the end of the day if the business doesn't agree with the assessment the city has made what would their process be I I get where you're going what would the process be when that situation occurs and would we need to to do something more formal if if you wanted to have a more extensive process then you we would have to create one but we're not required to have one we're not required to have one but in addition to discussing for someone a business who was not happy or or confused by this or something in addition to speaking with staff and finance they can't always talk to the city manager since since he oversees them he would be the last word okay I I would just this is Mr be's wheelhouse not mine so I don't have the authority nor the inclination to get behind the wheel here that's his thing it seems to me like if you're going to do a Citywide audit of everybody and change the the whole tax code around and you're going to audit all the businesses and place them into the new appropriate that we should probably be ready for some appeals and maybe have a policy that dictates what we do not that you won't do the right thing but if they just call you we're just opening ourselves up to to allegations of well I I got one answer and I called with the same set of facts and I talked to another person I got a different answer it's just very subjective or appearing very subjective even if it's not the the perception is that it so but there should probably be I mean if you get a parking ticket there's an appeals process you get a speeding ticket there's an appeals process so whatever that may maybe that's an internal process internal Review Board of employee I don't know what that looks like I would think simpler the better we don't need to stand up another board to but maybe an internal employee group or something that hears these so we'll take a look at that okay chatting here with the city attorney to see if there's anything the existing ordinances that we could basically use as a model for that so we'll take a look all right council members any other questions I've lost where we are here okay anything else Jamie did we miss anything okay in that case I will close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of an ordinance if she's still awake an ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace Florida amending the Temple Terrace code of ordinances chapter 14 section 14- 72 schedule of local business taxes to be paid tax leved payment required and amounts to be paid provid proving for severability providing for codification repealing all ordinance as a parts of ordinance is in Conflict here with and providing an effective date thank you madam clerk is there a motion ordinance I move to approve ordinance 1569 amending code section 1472 local business tax upon second second hearing um second reading second Motion in a second discussion comment comments council member schler I'm I'm the one who requested the additional information or part of IAL information um s years ago when I decided I wanted to run for Council one of the one of the big things that I wanted to do was to streamline the business um aspect of dealing with the city and uh it took a while but this is this is good this is very very good I I know in previous employment that I had to deal with the city of Temple terce in business licenses for a manufacturer with 150,000 ft and I could not calculate what it was predict what it was going to be okay so uh this is this condenses it makes it more efficient makes it easier for business say this is what I'm going to have to do if I want to come work if I want to be a temple terorist so uh kudos to you guys you did a great job thank you very much for the presentation and uh I hardly endorse this thank you okay thank you all those in favor say I I iose no n thank you very much for all your hard work the ordinance is adopted on second reading next is a first reading of an ordinance amending chapter 18 of the city of Temple Terrace code of ordinances entitled parks recreation Leisure Leisure Services and cultural Affairs Leisure Services director Carl langfeld is here to explain good evening sir good evening mayor members of city council Carl langfeld Leisure Services director I'm here tonight uh for a first reading of an ordinance amending chapter 18 of the city's code of ordinances for uh parks recreation Leisure Services and cultural Affairs uh earlier this year a comprehensive review and update of chapter 18 of the city code of ordinances was completed uh it had been many years since this uh code has last seen a review or an update uh the process involved taking our code uh looking at what is still relevant and What needs updating and comparing it to city codes from City of Tampa Hillsboro County Plant City and other ordinance and other areas in the region uh the update provided for clean cleanup of parks park hours and provided additional sections to address camping drones and Aviation golfing and animals and Parks um the a final review of the ordinance uh did reveal one deficiency that still exists and requires piece of cleanup uh with regards to RVs and those types of vehicles uh and their presence in the Parks uh what was put into this prohibits those types of vehicles in the Parks um it just needs to be cleaned up a little bit to address uh those vehicles in the parks for camping or overnight uh overnight purposes the ordinance that has been presented to you has been reviewed by our Police Department has been reviewed by our legal department um and we'll be back in front of you for a second reading on September 17th I stand for any questions you may have about any of the updates or clarifications made to the ordinance thank you Mr langfield other members of the public who wish to comment on this item Mrs renie Carl we have some public comment good evening yes ma'am just more of a question okay well I know you know the drill we need your your name and city of residence Anette Renny 9512 Woodland Ridge Drive I have a question about dogs and such we're having a lot of dog ditching out at the park at the Temple Terrace dog park and I mean more than one they'll just tie them out there and what can be done with that because apparently Parks and Recreation has something to do with monitoring that if I understand correctly thank you thank you m Ry are there other members of the public wish to comment on the ordinance seeing none council members questions for Mr langfield council member schisler yes what parks or public areas are going to be covered by this will this include Little League fields will this include 301 will this include par Mount Circle this it you know this this includes all areas listed in our Park inventory which does include the US sports complex which includes the rale baseball fields the the fields behind the family complex and all the parks River Hills Park Rotary Park Ben LOM and all of the neighborhood parks throughout the city what about Riverside the new the partial City yes that will be covered as well is that in there now that would that is considered a park now okay good okay thank you council member Fernandez so um there's some verbiage that has been added about playing a you need to have a permit to play an organized sport league on a designated field um but I just want to clarify like for those that would not none of this will prohibit the kids who get together and go up to the baseball field or someplace and play like a pickup game of baseball or whiffle ball or anything it's only for organized absolutely not th this in no way affects neighborhood kids getting together and going out and playing a game of touch flag football um playing a game such as that what this does do is address situations that we've run into frequently over the years where we will have a group of a hundred people show up and they're all in uniforms and they have referees and they're they're playing a fullon soccer league on one of our fields on a Sunday afternoon um we've approached these these organizations in the past some of them we've brought in and they now have permits and play uh sanctioned events on our Fields under under an approved permit at the approved times others have gone in and and looked for fields to play elsewhere because they did not want to to obtain a permit from us but this in no way affects kids who want to come out and utilize the fields and play on them okay other questions council members okay thank you very much Mr lingfield and so Mr be would you Mr lfi somebody respond to Mrs Ren's issue it's really not Germaine to the ordinance we're discussing but I'm sure she'd like said it was in reference to the dog park yeah you don't have to do that now we're talking about the ordinance now but yeah thank you I will close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance an ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace amending chapter 18 of the city of Temple Terrace code of ordinances parks recreation Leisure Services and cultural Affairs under Article 2 public conduct in parks by revising section 18-26 voting section 18-28 Games Etc section 18-33 times of closing exceptions activity section 18-36 merchandizing vending pedaling Etc section 18-39 alcoholic beverages section 18- 41 camping creating section 1842 aircraft parachuting and drones creating section 18-43 golfing and creating section 18-44 animals providing for authority to codify providing for applicability and severability repealing all ordinances a parts of ordinances in Conflict here with in providing for an effective date good thank you madam clerk is there a motion yes I'm sorry uh move to approve on first reading an ordinance amending chapter 18 of the city of temple terce code of ordinances entitled parks recreation leer services and cultural Affairs second we have a motion in a second any discussion of the motion not all those in favor signify with i i i opposed no nay this ordinance will appear for a second reading in public hearing on Tuesday September the 17th thank you Mr langefield is there any carryover Council business from previous meetings Okay seeing none new business and board reports I have council member Fernandez so I have a question for the city staff and city manager regarding the flooding that we had then and I know we all got a lot of comments about um the how much water was in the streets and and in the sidewalks and pretty much everywhere but so I just wanted to ask if you the city staff you can kind of explain why we had so much water and what how we're addressing it um I mean I know why we had so much water it was a lot of rain but that's not what I meant but why it was backed up so unusually so okay absolutely Mr B if I could U ask Mr warrenfeltz to come up director of Public Works to the podium I think he'd be best suited to address this question good good evening Mr warfels so the rain event that occurred on Sunday was um significant in in a short time period the storm water ponds that that we treat the storm water and when I say treat we allow it to absorb the Earth that's how we treat um they were not at capacity but they were 3/4 of capacity um we treat and then we attenuate water where we pass it on to another Pond to treat we keep passing till it gets to the rber um the outfall structures from these ponds with the flow that occur the outfall structures um reive debris yard clippings leaves um palm fronds U newspapers I saw a lot of newspapers on one of them today um I mean we do have I do have a section of photos here that I can share to the council share to the public um when when the facilities manager and myself were in on Sunday um we noticed a lot of debris in places that typically we don't have debris but the amount of rain that we had there was mulch uh mulchin locations that got moved into the ponds um it it it overwhelmed the system um we are working the city engineer and I had a conversation this afternoon the 56th Street and bll and Bush um that's fdot stormw so we're going to share the videos and the information we have with fdot tomorrow um to see if they can you know give us a response on what they're what they're seeing and what they've seen in their pipes um would the council like to see some of the I mean basically what we've done is we've gone out to these locations and and I've taken photos of the debris that's on top of these outfall structures that caused some of the backups um Gillette and white way had a significant amount of water um that pond took everything that it could um and then it surface flushed the rest of it onto Gillette and then through the Jacqueline Arbor neighborhood um down those streets so is there anything that we need to do in order to I I don't want to say keep it from happening again we can't predict necessarily how much rain we're going to get at one time but is there something that needs to happen on on the city's end with clearing out any like jetting the drains or um clearing out the de if there's debris built up or any any kind of Maintenance or changes that we would need to make in order to alleviate this in the future so the storm water program does have a maintenance piece of it um the city also has CDs the the debris collection um stations throughout the city those are cleaned annually um for and I'll use Debbie as an example hurricane Debbie when it came through the storm waterer staff have a checklist um because there was a chance of a heavy rainfall they went through they verified all the the debris was clear from the storm water drains the inlet boxes the the ditch bottom inlets as much as they all of that they could in a short amount of time from the activation until um the storm passed um those are routine as they occur weekly or or even monthly um the staff go out I asked the staff that cleared the 113th and Gillette stormwater Pond today when's I said when's the last time you guys have been here and they said last Thursday or Friday so again those locations were checked just days prior to but they receiv received so much debris from from the the community they just became overwhelmed and they backed up um so the photos that they have up so this is the uh this is in the community off 100 or I'm sorry white way and uh Gillette this is where the rain shouldn't have went um it it came out the access gates into the community and you can see the debris on the bottom of the gate there um there's a burm on the pond that would have normally prevented this in a typical rain um but unfortunately it it decided to vent it so this is looking East towards Gillette um you can see in the upper left corner there where there's a debris poile um that debris was from the Pond that that came off of white way collection system um through the neighborhood and it passed in there and then that's where it stopped the ring that you can go back a sec the ring that you see in the lower right there so we had the rain on the first and then we had another rain from the first until today at noon um that lower ring on the right side is the ring from the last rain so the water got up again um but it did not leave it did not leave the pond see so this is the outfall structure clear of debris um but you can see the debris outside of that metal ring the sediment um the turbidity barrier and it's yellow in the background that was a recommendation that the streets manager and the engineer put together prior to me um and it works on normal rainfall it it was uh overcome by the amount of debris and the amount of water and allowed to I think if you go to the next one you'll see where it was clogged yep so there's what it looked like this morning when we went out and looked at it so it was blocked um and that's what it would looked like on Sunday when the rain fell so this was taken Sunday um and you can see the amount of debris that's on that should be grass where it's brown in the upper left ring around the pond that that should all be green and that's all debris and the Pawn's full of debris so as that second rain that came through at some point most of that is gone the pond is clear the water's clear um so that debris has passed through the system I don't know oh council member fernandz still has the floor no go ahead okay then council member SCH was um for everybody my myself include vacation the runoff from this should have gone where into the how does the the storm water system permeate and where does it timately end up going so the inlets the street inlets and the dish bottom inlets they carry the water to the the ponds where we treat it it's a series of ponds a series of pipes through the system which eventually gets it to the river so example the white way and Gillette Pond all that water travels North through Gillette it goes through a piping system from the pond there to The Ponds at 113th in Gillette it leaves those p PS goes north to The Ponds by the Greco school from there it travels under fer through piping system and then the outfall structure is in the river um just north of Valor is that a force main or is it gravity it's a gravity gravity okay so nothing nothing FL nothing goes south towards the Redevelopment area sure so well I mean from from from the north I mean which way is it good going is it is it this this the stuff at U um 56 of bush where would that go the the act the the rain water the storm water from that area so that would travel South 56 Street to the river so do we have like a continental divide which way where where about is that it's it's all gravity and it's all based on elevations and it's based on where it goes from one Pond to the next or where the pipe takes it to the gravity side to alleviate itself yeah well what about the non- city-owned ponds like there's two on on Jennifer Drive that is it's not going to take much for that to overflow back in into the house but it's not the city doesn't own them they're owned by the individuals so I mean they're they're pretty pretty deep right now um and yesterday as of yesterday not not today but yesterday there was standing water in the street under the cul of the the inlet so I was just curious as that spills over into fer Avenue okay so if it over in the fer then it'll end up in the in the drainage Welles along fer which again they'll work their way Riv the river so every all the stormwood will ultimately get to the river either fer Avenue area from the from mid Mid City north or uh where where does it spill out going south of uh Bush there's outfalls all over the river hard to is that is that where the goats come into play in in those in those regions River goats or no no okay cuz maybe all that's kind of blockage no so the so the streets department does have they have the a boat they've received a surplus from the police department and they do inspect the outfalls on the river uh generally when it's low so you can see the outfalls um but when the river was low and actually I looked at the USGS number right before I stood up here um in June the river is running about 19 F feet and and currently today it's 24 1/2 ft I think is where we're at right now so you're not going to see those outfall structures they're below they're below the water okay it you set I'm good council member Chambers thank you if we didn't have any debris on Sunday that blocked things could our system handle five or six inches an hour just say no so Sunday and I'm just going to be honest Sunday was odd and Brian the city engineer and I we've talked about this it seemed to sit Bush and 56 where Terrace Heights did not get what they got down there so when I looked at the radar during the phone calls it seemed to be in the shape of a v it seemed to be sitting over the one spot and for an hour more so it didn't move um so to answer your question they're all going to be different I mean I could it maybe if it passed passes through the edge of the city and only and only affects one part of the system um there's there's so many Goods could the river be at 19 ft and everything flushes through as fast as it could when it's dry or yes could the river be at 25 ft 27 ft and nothing move sure I mean we're not going to handle any of it so I mean we're however many feet above sea level and and the river is you know held with a dam for the water supply and I mean we it it relieved itself shortly um I will say that you know I'm I don't live in Temple Terrace I'm just a little bit outside of town um when I was here I saw a little bit of standing water but it was quickly gone so the folks that that were here before me they dealt with some water they were in some water but 30 35 minutes they were they were out of water so I I know we classify things as a 100e flood 20e flood rainfall things like that was this a 100 year does doeses anybody know uh was this a Thousand-Year a Noah event uh just out of curiosity what a five or six inch an hour is yeah I don't falls into any of those classifications I I call it the September 1st 24 rain event that's IAL but but simp you have alluded to and our Citizens need to know that not all the drainage is ours I mean you have do you have County ponds I know the pond at uh Sunny Sunnyside and Bullard and over by uh inness and Bullard those are County ponds and how they're maintained is not the way we maintain them so there's all that that's it vice mayor my question is about what responsibility we might have in terms of um things going down the storm drain that don't belong there like grass clippings and and such and um how much do you think that played a role in this and what might we do to prevent that in the future so perfect question and and I appreciate that cuz I had a great example today as Ron and I were doing these evaluations um I we drove by a homeowner doing his lawn care and he had his Leaf bar out and he was blowing everything out into the street yeah and I drove by we went to we looked to what we needed to cuz we had a a tree piece fall and we came back and I I asked Ron I said all right stop let me let me just have this conversation so as a homeowner his plan of lawn care was blow it all out into the Street and I was good with that a little bit because the storm drain was right across the street and as in the in the conversation the education piece I said you know it's a storm water violation you can't blow this into the street because it goes into the storm drain and he said but the street sweepers right here and I said I I'm perfectly fine with that but the idea is you should clean this up and he goes I always do for the most part he said but I heard a street sweeper so I got busy so um you know as as a homeowner should never blow it into the street should should try and collect I mean we offer the Wednesday um yard waste yard debris pickup that's part we use all those numbers as part of our ms4 permit it's all submitted as data that we collect for the amount of tons that we remove from the city um the street sweeper is also part of that the street all the street sweeping collections are weighed and we use that as part of our our numbers for our permit so as homeowners it's always good to not put things in the street not blow grass clings out I mean um you know anything to keep items out papers um newspapers as I said uh probably 10 to 15 at the 113th in Gillette Pond today just laying on the bank which means they passed through the system and popped up there and washed up on the bank so you know I just whatever's loose and out you know if it's not your paper homeowners if you pick it up and just throw it away it's it's it's okay thank youc member Fernandez I just have a question for you about the process of asking Swift Mud U because so the bypass Canal was created after some flooding in Temple Terrace to help alleviate the height of the River or the river level and if the bypass Canal if the river is very high and the bypass Canal is very high what's the process for the city if we know that there's a weather event coming through to ask someone to drop the levels so that it could handle the the water that it's going to come through our system I'm I'm be honest I think I do I know the answer to that they do draw down that they do but I'm asking do they just do this without any yes yeah there's a slot and Amber is here but I know the answer already too she can but there's a slot the rivers kept assuming there's enough water now period of rout there's enough water so the minimum goes you know but but there's a slot at a certain point at the fower Avenue gauge is when they restrict or Clos the structure north of the city to divert water into the canal they normally alert us when they close it completely but they Tinker with that structure all the time to restrict it or enlarge it or they don't call us every time or they'd be calling us every week to tell us we closed at 30% well you know we don't care about that um so I'm just wondering yeah it's not on demand's happening and we know and we say hey uh yeah no they they do draw it down I know the answer to that from previous experience is why I'm calling so we we to you can call over there because okay there's a hurricane in the golf or you drawing it down but I've never once had a time when they weren't already on top you know they that that's what they do so um and they will tell you quickly I'm speaking for Swift Mud here not Amber but they will tell you quickly that they may not keep the river water out of your backyard if you live on the river but their goal is to to keep it out of your house so they may your your Dock and your boat might get inundated but they're trying to keep it out of your house so not not to speak for you but I I've heard it a hundred times over I know I will say for Hurricane Debbie um the county did sound send out a notification which I passed on the city manager when they when they opened the bypass Canal because that created some additional water um which closed morb road so I I think the county does a great job the the Emergency Services to let us know what they are doing which may have some impact on us okay thank you that's it council members other questions from Mr Warren felds no thank you Jason when we were on new business yes I have well council member fernandz were you done with this item yes okay council member Chambers thank you mayor um you know we just got the report on our business tax uh renovation and to ask staff to do a report maybe the middle of next year or sometime on how the transition went I would like to get the council's approval to assign work to staff so I don't want to assign it but I I would like to see a report on how that transition's gone would you be just just a clarification that's a great idea would you be amable to this coming in in conjunction with the beginning of the budget process where we discussed the revenues year sure could also be uh just like the city manager's quarterly reports or anything else but that would be a time when they'd be naturally looking at that number anyway that's fine just at some point you know had they go but that would give them the ability to produce that number without a separate step is that oh yeah yeah council is that timely enough for everybody okay city manager is that okay with you thank you okay other new business board report I don't have anything either um city manager city manager report thank you Mr Mayor members of council um I've got the pleasure this evening of introducing one of our newest staff members um as Council thank thank you to the council for approving the utility billing manager position uh we recruited nationally for that position and we were very fortunate to um find a great candidate Angela Torres uh Angela hails from U well her last stop was Indiana so that's how far we're now reaching for our recruitment so so we're going right into the Midwest uh and her first day was last week last Friday I believe it was so if you wouldn't mind I'd love to have her come up and ince herself welcome good evening thank you it's a pleasure to meet all of you just wanted to say I'm thrilled to join the finance team and um I'm very excited to add in efficiencies and uphold all the values that you already have in your wonderful City good thank you so you came to us from Indiana yes planfield Indiana where did you work in in the same field in Indiana yes I was a um customer service and utility bilding manager for the town of planfield which coincidentally is a town but it is slightly larger as then more residents more utility bills but we're better yes absolutely well that's why I came snow here does not snow that's true beautiful weather well we are thrilled to have you aboard we've been waiting for a while we knew you were coming and uh we knew we had to wait for you to move and so forth but uh so you started Friday yes well we're thrilled to have you so you brought the rain I must have we haven't had a flood like this is so okay we so I apologize apologize Jason well we are very happy to have you aboard um and you're joining a terrific team I'm sure you can tell that already but uh so welcome to the city thank you so much welcome that's all you have city attorney's report um it's it's not necessarily a report I just wanted to mention that I received notification last week that um I was appointed to the Florida League of cities one of their legislative policy committees and the title of it is development Code Compliance and Redevelopment committee so I guess I'll occasionally need to go to a meeting congratulations yeah congratulations is right so um on that note uh council members I'm glad you reminded me to say this if I I'm not aware of any legislative priorities that we as a group have other than to try to protect home rule we which is annually that's the same kind of thing annually but um if we do have legislative priorities that you would like or to propose that we formulate a position on now would be a good time to do that before session gears up um if you if we as a body decide on a priority that gives me and our um consultant time to start to work on that so um just think about that is it late session or early session this year it's March late session we have time but but now's Now's the Time to start thinking about that though so okay anything else to come before the council directors everybody good happy just drilled to go home right thank you finance again for all your hard work so okay we will stand adjourned Jason good job [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music]