Good evening ladies and gentlemen. I'm called the meeting to order. Ask everybody to please silence your electronic devices, and boy, everybody came out to watch Jamie Deey get Employee of the year. Yeah. yeah. That's wonderful. That's wonderful. We
have an overflow tent down here, Jamie, for everybody else. That's terrific. So, uh, thank you everybody. It's nice to see everybody at our council meeting. A lot of times it's just us and the employees, so it's great to see everybody out. Um, I do like to tell you because I'll forget as this
goes on as your item is heard once you've gotten your proclamation or done, um, I do want you to know that there's no etiquette responsibility for you to stick around for the whole meeting. You're welcome. We'd love to have you, but I don't people sometimes feel awkward about walking out after their business is concluded,
but don't, um, it's OK, we're used to that and it's fine. So, um, you're welcome to stay but don't feel compelled to, all right? So, um, I've already asked you to do a silence your electronic devices, and if you would please stand and join us in the invocation and the pledge. Lord, we come before
you tonight in gratitude for your many blessings. We know that you are the source of all that is good, and we ask you to help us never take your blessings for granted. We pray for all those throughout the world who are suffering from war, poverty, or oppression. May they feel your presence and
may you grant them your peace. We thank you as always for our wonderful staff and ask your continued blessings upon them and their families. Amen. Our pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and the republic for
which it stands. A nation under God and into Islam was li ber ty and justice for all Thank you So we have a uh tradition here in Temple Parris whereby we start our council meetings with a fun or interesting fact
concerning the city or or region, and we rotate that duty. and as time goes on, it gets harder and harder because we've exhausted everything about orange trees and right, so, uh, it gets harder and tonight that duty falls upon council member Fernandez, whose idea this was.
So let's see what she comes up with tonight. OK, um, welcome everybody and so I'd like to start with a little bit of history about Florida College for those of you who don't realize we have a, a small private college in within the
city of Temple Terrace and while they originally came and purchased buildings that were formerly owned by the city of Temple Terrace. They were they names changed and different things happened and they were actually accredited in 1954.
and they started to see a lot of growth in the 60s as they changed their name again and changed their recruitment process, so they did a lot of building and remodeling of their existing buildings and
one of the buildings I want to talk about is Hutchinson Auditorium, and any of you who drive past Florida College. uh, you might notice it's a very peaked building, um, that is a
little bit unusual for what you're expecting considering their previous buildings. So that building is it's. the Hutchinson Auditorium, and it is a mid-century modern building built in 1961. and the ca to construct this building
was $100,000 which is a pretty good investment for a small college, and the architect was Gary A. Boyle. a Tampa resident, and the contractor was Paul Smith Construction. and the
building is named for the family that provided a significant portion of the funds to construct the building, so that's consistent with what we do today, um, you, you can, you pay for the building and we'll put your name on it, um, but this is a really important
building to the school because it is the place that the the students come for chapel. They have all of their uh student body assemblies there It fits the entire student body, although those of you, if you
had gone to the opening this year in August when they opened the school year, you would see it was very, a very tight fit because there's student body has grown so much, um and it's also the place where most of their major theater productions
or other fine arts performances are held, so it's, it's one of their most utilized buildings on campus and I think if you, um, if Mary, if you can put up the picture when it's under construction, the first one. I
have a couple pictures So this picture, I don't think a lot of people has have ever seen, um, this is when it was under construction on the campus and uh this Florida College personnel sent that one to me.
And then now can you put up the final, the finished product. and it went from that to this and one of the things that
visitors to the campus. they all reflect on how iconic the architecture is and what an unusual design and how it represents the mid-century modern architecture and it's
something that I know about because Gary A. Boyle is my grandfather, and he attended Georgia Tech and the Fontainebleau School of Fine Arts in Paris, and he settled in Tampa, Florida after being in the Army Corps of Engineers
in World War II, so he worked around this area and this is one of the buildings that he designed in the area. He also designed, um, some buildings at Saint Leo College as well. So. it's, it's a, it's an important building for me just because of
the family history and I wanted to tell the public about this building and I also want to let you know, can you put up the, OK. The Temple tiers Women's Club in the past has actually
had commemorative ornaments and they commemorated some of the iconic buildings in the city of Temple Terrace, and I don't know today if they, if, if the club has any of these ornaments left, but I know you can't buy them online from people who are selling them, but this is the
ornament that they created for the Hutchinson Auditorium to commemorate that building, and it is one of the oldest buildings surviving on the Florida College campus right now, and I do know that it is scheduled to be uh remodeled or
enlarged in some capacity because their student body has grown and they, they need the, the seating, so I don't know what it will look like in the future, but I know what it looks like now, and that is my fun fact for today. Thank you, thank you very much, yeah. It's
very, very interesting. Thank you. So now this is the highlight of the, well, my opinion, highlight of the meeting, and that is we get to recognize our 2025 employee of the year. and before I call her up I wanna tell you that this is no easy task in Temple
Terrace. We restructured our awards a while back so that the employee of the months are chosen by their peer employees, so the management has little to do with this. These are, these are peer employees that self-select an employee of the month and then the employee of
the year is selected from among those 12 employees uh of the month and so. that has made the bar considerably higher, um, because we have uh a really a ton of really terrific people working here and so to get selected for employee of the
month is a huge honor and to get selected employee of the year is really, really special. So Jamie Deey, would you please come to the podium? and you can kite her whenever you want.
There is Jennifer. Possibly. Oh my goodness, they asked me to do that. I said we better get somebody else to do that. GE Barlow thought that it would
match her personality very well. It does. She needed to have some blame. Those of us who know her who know that it does so whereas the success of the city of Temple Terrace is built upon the tireless efforts in exceptional dedication of its employees. whereas a city's
finance department is crucial for sound financial management accountability and operational efficiency through handling all financial aspects like accounting, budgeting, payroll. The finance department, finance operations manager named Jamie Deay has demonstrated outstanding performance on
wavering commitment and exemplary work ethic and willingness to help her fellow coworkers. Jamie's skilled in turning theory into action by organizing her thoughts and outside information into actionable goals and processes. Jamie has been crucial in creating processes and
procedures in payroll, revising a city ordinance for business tax receipts. and creating the database for new software for a new software program, selecting a cloud-based vendor and a payee onboarding and management platform to help streamline and secure vendor information.
Troubleshooting the city's current integrated management system and assisting in the selection of a new system. and working with the city's grant administrator to process the city's grants, particularly FEMA um, in order to achieve maximum reimbursement. Jamie is
highly regarded by her colleagues for her knowledge and integrity and is always willing and available to lend her professional expertise in resolving any problems and doing what is needed to finish a project. Not only does Damy have a wealth of financial knowledge, but her many other talents include event planning
and when asked, she is always willing to help out with any city event from initial concept to final execution. Despite the demands of her position, Jamie always displays a friendly and approachable nature which has made her a pleasure to work with and has endeared her to
her colleagues. Now, therefore, I, Andrew Ross, by virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, to hereby proclaim Jamie Deey as 2025 City of Temple Terrace employee
of the year. Would you like to say a few words? I can keep my emotions. Were you able to say
a few words? Mayor Ross, council. all of my colleagues, my friends, my family. I I'm really deeply honored and, and just truly moved to even have
been nominated, but then to be selected as Employee of the Year. If so, many different employees here that really go above and beyond the call their call of duty all the time. It's
amazing and this, this award. it's not just for me I have an amazing team behind me. They've all come to support me. They all stayed late on their own
time to show their appreciation and their support, and that is huge. Many of you know where we came from as a team, and this team really has a lot of rock stars in it, and I couldn't do what I do each day without all of them. I do need to say a
thank you to my husband. Thank you for being there so that I can be here, um, he's always there when I get pulled away from work. Uh, he knows what it is to be a public servant. And
he stepped back. and allowed me to be a public servant now and so that I can shine. and I truly thank you. uh to all of our all of our teammates, all of our colleagues, all of the
directors. Carlos, you have been such a ray of sunshine. for this city. You are taking us in a positive direction. You're taking us into the future when we were stagnant for a long time. Thank you for
all that you've supported and done. My managers Jennifer and Tony, especially for always keeping me grounded and keeping me in check. when I need to be. Thank you guys all, um. I live
here I work here I play here. This is City of Temple Terrace is my favorite place to be, and I really thank you all for this wonderful honor and uh the city is great and getting better every day. So thank you. Thank
you. We. OK This is for you All
right, 321, actually a little bit more this way. All right, 321. Thank you. family, come on, husband didn't know. The whole
broke My mom made it right Yeah. sliding over. yeah Sorry, I'm
sorry. All right, 321, All right OK. Oh my. some of the
people. Jamie I. Hey, how are you? That's, that's enough. The camera can't see me, I can't.
OK. Are we all take an inch this way, but. all right, 321.
Thank you. Thank you Thank you
Congratulations Thank you. OK The next item is we have uh call Michelle Baion the vice president of Friends of the
Library to the podium, please, for a proclamation. Good evening. How are you? I'm great. Good, good, thanks for being here. It's my pleasure. So we have a proclamation for national Friends of the Library
Week and uh the proclamation reads, whereas friends of the Temple Terrace Public Library raised money that enables our library to move from good to great, providing the resources for additional programming, much needed equipment, support for children's summer reading and special events throughout
the year. The work of the friends of the Friends highlights and ongoing on an ongoing basis, the fact that our library is the cornerstone of the community providing opportunities for all to engage in the joy of lifelong learning and connect with the thoughts and ideas of others from ages
past to present. The friends understand the critical importance of well-funded libraries and advocate to ensure that our library gets the resources it needs to provide a wide variety of services to all ages, including access to print and electronic materials along with expert
assistance in research, readers' advisory, and children's services. The Friend's gift of their time and commitment to the library sets an example for all in how volunteerism leads to positive civic engagement in the betterment of our community.
Now, therefore, I, Andrew Ross, by virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, do hereby set aside the week of October 19th through 25 for 25th, 2025 as friends of the library week and so thank you for being here to receive this
and thank you for all you do. Would you like to say a few words? Just come support the library. Come support the friends, the book and nooks always open, and we have a book sale in November, so come help us raise money. Good, thank you, thank you to all your team for all you do. Thank you so much.
Very much. you got to get in the center, but here's the practice. OK. Thank you. Thank
you, thank you very much. you. Hey, one more, uh, we have our friends here from the Rotary Club of Temple Terrace who do so much for us and if you guys
would like to come up to the podium, please. Whoever's designated, there we go. you're coming OK. This is Rachel Pawlowski who is here to
receive the proclamation, uh, which reads Rotary is a global network of 1.2 billion million neighbors, not billion, you probably wish you had $2.2 billion 1.2 million neighbors, friends, leaders, and problem solvers who unite and take action to create lasting change in communities across the globe.
The the Rotary motto Service above self inspires members to provide humanitarian service, follow high ethical standards, and promote goodwill and peace in the world. Rotary in 1985 launched Polio Plus and in 1988
helped establish the global polio eradication initiative which today includes the World Health Organization, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, UNICEF, and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to immunize the children of the world against
polio. Polio cases have dropped by 99.9% since 1988, and the world stands on the threshold of eradicating the disease. To date, Rotary has contributed more than 9 $1.9 billion in
countless volunteer hours to protect more than 2.5 billion children in 122 countries. Rotary is working to raise an additional $50 million per year, which would be leveraged for maximum impact by an additional
100 million annually from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. These efforts are providing much needed operational support, medical staff, laboratory equipment, and educational materials for health workers and parents. In addition, Rotary has played a major role in decisions by
donor governments to contribute more than $8 billion to the effort. There are over 1600 Rotary members in more than 35 clubs throughout District 6890 that sponsors service projects to address such critical issues as poverty, disease, hunger,
illiteracy, and the environment in their local communities and abroad. Now therefore I, Andrew Ross, by virtue of the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, do hereby proclaim October 24th, 2025 as World Polio Day and so, uh, Ms. Pillowski, would you like to
say a few words? I'd just like to thank all of you guys for supporting us, um, without your support, we couldn't do what we do, so thank all of you. Um, we love being in Temple Terrace like everybody else has said, we all live here, we play here, we work here, so thank you guys.
Um, we have one of our members who has um, over the past few years done several cross country bike rides, um, he so far this year, uh, he rode the Mississippi River this year and it's just shy of $12,000 that he's raised so far for that
ride over the culmination of those five rides, um, is just shy of $100,000 with the um Gates Foundation match, so we're hoping to get over that $2000 threshold and meet that $100,000 match, or $100,000 mark by the end of this year.
Um, we'd like to invite anybody to come join us. Um, you don't have to be a member to come join us at our meetings. We meet every Tuesday at Chicken Salad Chick's on Fowler Avenue, and guests that join us, your first lunch is on us, so we'd love to see you. Um, that's about it. Very good. Thank you.
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here Get him up here Get. going
I Oh yeah How are we doing Mary Well, we're very, like, a lot on this side. All right, 321.
OK Thank you. that was 3 more
proclamations will be done to just employees and us again. OK. I I I'm just giving them a quick second to get out so you're not trying to talk over everybody So next up we have a
centennial committee update, uh, the Centennial Committee is the committee that we established a couple of years ago to help us celebrate our 100 year anniversary all during 2025 and our update tonight will be from Nancy Hudson, who is our chair of Washington Cennial Committee. So welcome, Ms. Hudson. Thank
you, Mayor Ross. Council members, good evening. Um, we just wanted to give you a quick update. We're heading into the last quarter of our year, and we just wanted to kind of remind you what we've done and tell you about what's upcoming for the last few months of the year. We have a great summer for Centennial. Um, we did have the River jam and we had paws in the park, and of course the
beautiful murals that we have all over the city now are all completed. Um, we have had dedications and ribbon cuttings for those. And speaking of that, we have another one coming on November 15th, will be dedicating the one at the Lightfoot Center, which was, um, painted by Amiena Khan and the community. So we hope that you
all will come out there. We appreciate all the support that you've given us at our other activities. So we hope we'll see you all there. Um, that mural is entitled Views of the Terrace, and it was sponsored by the Temple Terrace Arts Council. And while I'm here, I'd also just like to thank the other sponsors for the murals,
which included Tico, the Temple Terrace Women's Club and the Temple Terrace Rotary Club. And of course, we sold lots of t-shirts and lots of flags, so that also helped us with a lot of the enhancements that you saw to the community activities overall. We did use that funding to also help us, and that's also helped us extend
some of the activities into this last quarter. Um, the school integration continues. We were able to buy a banner for each of the five Temple Terrace public schools that they have in can, can display anywhere in the school so that all the students can celebrate Centennial with us and learn more about the community. Um,
they all have activities planned as well. There's two actually on Friday for 2 of the schools where they'll be doing activities that support again the centennial. Um, we have the fall festival coming on October 25th, which will be enhanced, and of course, the arts festival, which is coming on November 8th and 9th and added
to that this year we are adding a concert on the Saturday night. Um, we're actually going to twist the stage around to face the golf course and we'll actually be having two bands, the Danny Mooney Band and the American Souvenir Band, which our local favorites. Um, so it'll just be like additional
adding on to what we always know that's such a great time of year, it's such a great event for our city. So we'll have the, we'll have the concert at the end of the even ing this year, which will be super special Winter Wonderland, of course, is coming. Enhancements there will be something super special at the end of the parade that we know everyone will enjoy and we're also having fireworks this year,
again, supported by the funding that we received from the Centennial Committee. Um, lots of other things that, um, the committee already does, the recreation center already, already participates in, so you'll see those continue to happen. Um, I just, if you have any questions for us or anything else that you'd like to know, but, uh, we wanna
thank you very much. The committee has enjoyed. This is a 3-year journey that we've been working on for everybody and um we appreciate all your support and just letting us be involved in the committee and being on the, the whole group really appreciates being part of the community. Council members, any questions? Thank you, Nancy. Of course. Thank
you for all the effort you put in. It's a really lovely. I have a question since you mentioned the funding you received with sent me last I remember discussing this, there were about $130,000 in that uh this was several, several, several, months ago are
microphone. How's that? Better OK. So first of all, thank you very much for, for the report and for all the work that you've put in. Uh, it is appreciated. Um, coming back to the comment you made about the funding. Um, last we discussed it, which was several months ago, there were about $130,000
remaining, and I was just curious if you had a current fund balance, uh, I don't have a current fund balance, but our plan is to spend it all. I'm sure there wasn't 130 left three months ago because a good portion of that had been spent. That would be the total amount that we received from the council as well as the sponsorships that we received,
which we earned ourselves, but the entire, the entire fun will be spent by the end of the year. OK. Is it already committed? Yes, it's committed. That, that's why I think I'm here today to share these item s because that's where it's committed to. Um, if you received additional funding, do you think it would be possible for you to do something to activate the downtown area at
this point, I'm talking about specifically the property next to the Starbucks where it might be nice to do an open air event coming into the later to, you know, we still have meetings. We still meet once a month. Happy to bring it back to the committee and come up with options, but yeah, that hadn't been, I hadn't been aware of anything like that until now,
but I'm happy to look at it. No, you shouldn't be aware of it. It's, it's not, not anything that you should be aware of. It's just something I'm asking about. Since we're going into the cooler months now, I thought it might be nice to use that space because we do want downtown to become a focal point for for cultural affairs. So thank you very much for that
and I'll give it a think and knowing that you've committed all the funds, that sets me in the right frame of mind to think about what that event might be like. So thank you for the information. That's all I yielded for. Just to clarify, Ms. Hudson don't start planning an event until the council asks you to do the, the whole
council understood. Thank you. Other questions, Council member Fernandez. so through this process, I know you've talked to a lot of people in the community, and I just wondered what. interesting stories you've got from long term
residents and what things that you learned about the city that we might be able to make a little more. we might be able to make a presentation about or maybe take some of what you learned and put it on our TV
channel or the YouTube or something like that so that we could show it out to the larger public. Marissa, will you help? So that was uh on our committee we all had sort of specialty things that we focused on. So Marissa's done a really good job. She's responsible for a lot of the information that's
on the timeline and gathering all the things and people were very generous. We got a lot of photos and stories and other things that people gave to us once they knew we were on the committee, but I'll let Marissa speak to that more specifically. So we did have, um, hi, Marissa Robinson. Um, we did have a few residents come up and tell, um,
some stories. One was Karen Macaluso, which I'm sure a few of you are familiar familiar with. She actually used to work for Cody Fowler at his law office, um, and it's something that we're also starting to look into is doing some oral histories and having those recorded. So we'll be start hopefully starting to work on
those within the next couple months. OK. Thank you. OK, thank you very much. Appreciate it. I appreciate all the work of all the committee members. Thanks for being here. So council, there's a one board appointment tonight for a school support committee
appointment. There's one vacancy on the school support committee and we received one application from Christina Paul. I do not see Miss Paul here tonight, OK, um, is there a motion to approve the appointment? Move to approve the appointment of Christina
Paul to the scruple Sport committee for the date of September 6, 2025 to September 6, 2028 motion and 2nd Dis discussion of the appointment. If not, all those in favor say aye aye, opposed no nays, uh, Ms. Paul, if you're watching,
thank you for your service. Uh, has everybody had an opportunity to review the minutes of our September 16th council meeting and if so, is there a motion to approve? motion is 2nd. Any discussion or amendments to the amendments. If not, all those in favor say
aye. I opposed. Monasins are adopted. Next section of the meeting are persons wishing to be heard, uh, on items on the consent agenda or um items not on the agenda and I currently have a couple of requests to speak, uh, first one is Mr.
Lowe. Mr. Loeb. I failed to mention if you're, if you're new to this, you have 3 minutes per speaker and we do ask that you start with your name and city of residence. Charles Love Terrace Park and uh first before anything else, I want to
thank the city for all the, all the work they do, but particularly over the senior expo and and the National Night Out I also want to thank the church, uh, for that very nice event on Saturday, uh, the
International presentation. uh, I call that bridging that gap. because one of the theme I want to talk about is bridge the gap. Bridge the gap is between citizens and the people that serve them. Not so much you all as it is government let people
on higher levels of government, for example, which would have to do with not only citizens, but you all as well. I'll give you a couple for instances, uh, number one, it would be, let's suppose that on an aid from uh uh council, uh, I mean,
congresswoman, uh Lee's office will come over here. You could ask her if they could find uh money for you for the PFAS fun. d that could help you pay for that. Another example would be, uh, of a non-elected official,
but a bureaucrat would be from the FEMA Associate, would be from FEMA. Uh, in North Miami Beach, we had a very successful program. having to do with uh with one Wilma and her, uh, Wilma and our little brush with Katrina was through 20 years
ago. A lot of businesses got AIDS got, got aid but did not expect to and also a lot of corruption was stopped. over the program was so successful, the guy who was the head of the program, I was told, came all the way back from Washington
state. to do it, to continue the program after Christmas. Uh, so as my mother used to say, uh, if you don't ask, you're not gonna get and all they're gonna all they can say if they don't want to help you is not uh, and that is unless you have any
false hope on it, but nonetheless, if you want, don't want to have help, all you have to do is not ask, and this way you won't get it. But it is important to bridge the gap. between uh, citizens and uh and higher levels of government.
There are various formats that could be done, one that I like is coming, having someone come regularly to the city council meetings. uh, and talk about themselves a little bit, how to get in contact with them and what they do. and that would go
for Nali, uh, go that would not go for elected officials, uh, but also for people who are within the bureaucracy. I do think by next year this time that there would be a lot of people wanting to be involved with with people at events that are over here because of the
fact they're going to want votes, uh, either incumbents or, or candidates. to people that are already come, so I do wanna, I do hope we can get into this a little bit, this bridge the gap program and help and hopefully we serve the citizens better in this community. Thank
you. Thank you, Mr. Liu. Next up is doctor, I'm having trouble, is it Malema? Yes, Doctor Malima. I was hoping I got that close to being right. Very good. Thank you. Good evening, sir. Thank you. Yes, I am Doctor Rasasi Malima. I have
been in Temple Terrace for over 25 years. And uh so it is not gonna notice that in that time, 20% of the population uh in Temple Terrace is people of African descent. In that 25 years I've also noticed that
the police department seems to be the only department in the city. that shows a representation. In fact, they've grown tripled in the 25 years that I have been in Temple Terrace, went from 2 to, I think you now have 7 uh police officers of African
descent. To that end you have a new complex going up starting called Enigma. Um, if you look up what the definition of Enigma is, it's that of mystery or sus or even secret. Uh, I would like to know the process
of renaming Enigma. to Black Lives Matter Plaza. Is there a process? Is that something that the council votes on? Is that, uh, a Department of Transportation issue? Do I need to start a petition? Tell me the process so that we can get
it going and since I have witnessed the proclamations. I see that uh heritage and honoring and dignity and respect seems to be something that the council endorses by the numerous proclamations that were done this evening. Uh, so
I would like to know where that 20% of the population of Temple Terrace has representation and recognition Thank you Thank you, doctor Thank you. um I don't
have a person I have an organization on the next request to speak, so I'm not sure who to call up because I don't have a person, so whoever's gonna come up, could you come up, please? There we go um and I also see that there
are 2 people ceding time. Just one, so. What, uh, which, which one are you, ma'am? Rebecca Parker, OK, and one other person is ceding the time, ceding time to her. and that's and you're Miss Kay, OK, we're
good then. So, uh, Ms. Parker, we just need you to start with, uh, your name and city of residence, and then you have 4 minutes. So, OK, all right. Well, good evening. My name is Rebecca Parker. I reside in Riverview, Florida. Um, I am
also the chapter member or the chapter president of the notable new Epsilon Zeta chapter, um, that is founded here in Temple Terrace. Um, so good evening, sorry, uh, Mayor Ross, council members, and guests. on behalf of Zeta Phi Beta Sorority Incorporated in
the new Upsilize Ata chapter. I bring you greetings rooted in sisterhood, service, scholarship, and finer womanhood. Founded on January 16, 1920 on the campus of Howard University, Zeta Phi Beta was built on a vision of
community conscious, action-oriented service, a vision that has endured for over 105 years. Today our chapter New Epsilon Zeta continues that proud tradition here in Temple Terrace, Florida, and Greater Tampa Bay Area, working hand in hand with local
leaders, schools and organizations to strengthen our community. through purposeful service. Our initiatives focus on education, health, civic engagement, and youth development. Through our youth auxiliaries we mentor elementary, middle and high
school girls and tilling confidence, leadership, and self-respect. Through our partnerships we've hosted literacy Drives, women's wellness workshops, and family support programs, all designed to make a measurable difference in the lives of those we serve.
We understand that strong communities are built through collaboration and that's why we are so honored to be here tonight to acknowledge the important work of the council and to express our willingness to continue serving alongside you. whether through volunteerism, civic engagement,
or community events, new epsilon data remains committed to being a partner in progress for the city of Temple Terrace. We extend our sincere appreciation to the mayor and council members for your leadership and for your continued efforts to ensure that Temple Terrace remains a vibrant, inclusive, and
thriving community. So again, on behalf of the notable new Ups and Lieta chapter of Zeta Phi Beta sorority Incorporated. Thank you for welcoming us into the space and for all that you do to uplift our our city. Together we will continue to move forward in service, unity
and an excellence. Thank you Ms. Parker and thank you for joining us. Those are all the requests I have, uh, for public comment, uh, counsel, is there a motion to approve the consent agenda. Point of order, I believe there are other people who wish to speak. I'm a little
bit surprised. how the form's not been submitted properly or? That's on the requests I think if you ask for a show of hands, there are still people here who want to speak. Well, there's some for agenda items. You can speak on public comment and on
the agenda item if you wish. OK. because that, that's all the requests. I'm surprised. That's all the requests. Counsel request Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda to approve. All those in favor say
aye aye, opposed. it I don't I don't think we fully exhausted the public comment. I don't think the public comment section was properly closed. We're going to reinvent the council rules that would be nice to tell the rest of us, sir, when you get done speaking, would you please um fill out a form in the back of the room and give it to the clerk. I
completed the form. Uh, yes, I'm sorry Binnie Harris. I do not have a form from you, but that's OK. We'll allow you, but we do have a motion to dispose of here, so, uh, the consenting agenda is approved. Now we will go back and we'll be happy to hear your public comments, sir.
OK, yes, my name is Benny Harris. I reside at 5209 Chilco Street, Temple Terrace, Florida, 33617. Uh, thank you, Mayor Ross and the council for letting me speak a few minutes. Uh, anyway, I was here, uh probably a little bit over a year ago. going on two years
ago, or regarding a garage expansion, basically the situation that I'm in now is that I live in a house that was actually built in '72. The garage is actually a separate detached garage and uh at the time that it was built, uh, 33
months afterwards, they changed the rules. So I actually have a legal nonconforming uh garage. I've been wanting to expand my garage. Uh, I actually have 24 ft of property, uh, between the garage, there's the block wall of the garage to the property
line. And I actually wanted to expand it. However, there is a zoning restrictions I was gonna try to build a breezeway to attach the house to the garage, but anyway, I had a couple of the development members come out to the house, Mr. Paulie and Miss Robinson, they were
kind enough to come out and actually see the property, and I believe when I'm actually running into and everything is that it's a pro it's uh, it's put it on the restrictions, you know, I think it's not just for me, if I'm running into this particular problem, trying to
expand my garage, you know, like it's a legal nonconforming uh property and structure and everything. I believe that all the people are having problems as well. And basically what I would like to see is that as of now I cannot move forward with the expansion. Um, I actually
have a standstill, uh, because of which I'll, I would see it as centralized planning, you know, like it seems like it's one size fits all. And that's not always the case, and they actually want to consider, uh, joining the house to the garage or whatever, which is not
feasible. You're looking at a lot of tremendous calls are reengineering, uh, you know, redesigning as well because of the bedroom that's actually on the west east end of the house and then also on the garage and so uh they want to actually uh
adjoin the house to the garage. and uh you have to ask yourself, OK, well, just when you do an addition, you want to say, well, does it look, does that part of the building, you know, when you're adding to it, does it look like it belonged there or is it going to look awkward? And so now it seems like, you know, like it seems like this
uh the zoning restrictions and everything. I don't have a problem with zoning and everything, but I think when they committee or the zoning committee, they consider doing uh making changes to the zoning restrictions or the zoning rules or whatever they need to consider, you know, like each
person, you know, like, uh, that owns a house here in Temple Terrace. We're all in different boats, you know, like we don't all fit in that one cookie cutter box that centralized plant has kind of like boxes and, and so now I'm boxing and I cannot move forward. So I would like to ask
the zoning committee or whoever does its owning the restrictions or whatever. to consider uh when they uh residents want to expand or do some property changes or whatever to consider on an individual basis. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Mr. Harris. Apologize for the mix
up, and we will have a staff member follow up with you on this, so. All right, thank you. have a blessed day. I appreciate your patience. She may I be recognized? Councilman Kravitz. Uh, just on the point of counsel rules, I wanted to quote from Rule 19A, excuse me, which is a council member
wishing to speak shall address the chair, be recognized by the chair, and shall confine remarks to the question or issue under debate, which was at that point in time public comment and then I'd also like to point out rule 18D which has the chair shall recognize a citizen who wants to address
the council. The citizen shall state his, her name, and city of residence, etc. etc. So from my perspective, what just happened was we rushed through the end of public comment, even though there were still people who wished to be given the opportunity to speak and a vote
was held even though I had asked for the floor to address a point under public comment which had not yet closed yet. That vote was then taken. I did not have an opportunity to vote on it, so you all passed the consent agenda at 40, which I suppose is fine, but in my opinion, what just happened was not in conformity with the
council rules, which I've just read. And so I'm not inventing anything. I'm just saying there are people here who wish to speak, and I think it's appropriate to recognize them. So that was the only point that I was trying to make earlier. Thank you, Ayo for. OK Next
item is a resolution approving the purchase of 3 2026 Ford Interceptor Police patrol utility vehicles, Captain Jacob Carlisle from the police department is here to explain. Good evening, Mayor. Members of the council. Jacob Carlow, your police department As part of
the police department's vehicle replacement program $181,158 was included in the fiscal year 2026 Community Investment Tax Fund budget for the purchase of 3 police patrol vehicles. The purchase of the 3 marked patrol vehicles we made from Barto Ford of Barto, Florida under
Pasco County contract bid number IFBRR 21042. The vehicles will be purchased at a cost of $185,00898.09. The payment for the patrol vehicles will be made from account
1601421521.64-11. The over budget amount of $4740.09 funded through CIT reserves. Prices have been verified with the contract and bid award reference therein and included the purchase of emergency lights, vinyl graphics, and other necessary equipment to
mark and outfit the vehicles. Once the new vehicles have been placed in the service, existing patrol vehicles previously identified as needing replacement will be processed for disposal and sold at auction in accordance with operational needs and current city of Temple Terrace procedures. stand for questioning. Thank you, Captain. Are there members of the public
who wish to comment on this, Mr. Loeb. uh, Charles Love, the only thing I want to comment on is in the light Princess 2025 Ford Interceptor police vehicles, but in the dark print
it says 320 24 Ford police interceptor vehicles. If you notice that on the agenda. Thank you, Mr. Liu Are there other members of the public, are there other members of the public who wish to come in and ascite them? See on Captain I wanna clarify the year.
Certainly it was a cle error, uh, 2025 to 2024 and it was actually 25 was what we were originally quoted and the vehicles are 2026s. So what we're the resolution will say that we're purchasing 2026. Correct. Council members' questions. OK, seeing no
questions, is there a motion? the process of 3 2026 2026 2026 2026, 2026 Ford Interceptor police patrol utility vehicles. Back at the discussion of the motion. not all those in favor
say aye, aye posed. none resolutions adopted. Thank you, Cathy. Have a good evening. Next is a resolution approving final site plan SPR-25-03 for Hawkins parking lot expansion located at 7601 Industrial Lane,
our senior planner, Alyssa Livingstone is here to present. Good evening, Miss Livingstone. Good evening. Good evening, Mayor and members of the council. I'm Melissa Livingstone, senior planner. This presentation is for the
consideration of approval for final site plan SPR 2503. for Hawkins Service Company. The proposed project seeks to bring this site into compliance with
our LDCs. Here is the general area map. The property is 3.225 acres in size. The proposed project request is for final
site plan approval for 25,000 square feet of parking lot improvement and expansion. This is consistent with the current zoning and uses of the adjacent parcels. which is light
industrial. The site's future land use designation is industrial which is compatible with the proposed site improvements. The project aims to increase the parking
capacity to accommodate current and future operational needs of the business. The business currently has a staff of 22 employees. Gravel had been
poured to create a parking area without any permits. Staff discovered a code violation on this property when the owner applied for interior renovation permits. as a condition of allowing any further work on
the property. The applicant was required to bring the entire site into full compliance with current city standards. Over the last year. the applicant
has been cooperating diligently with city staff to meet this requirement. They have successfully completed and submitted all necessary plans to fully comply with city standards. Should the council
grant approval? the existing gravel material will remain as it meets the surface requirements for the industrial zoning district. Here is the
overall site plan. The existing parking area. has 25 spaces. 50 new parking spaces are to be added. The proposed new spaces
are highlighted by the gray shaded area. This would lead to a total of 75 spaces, 3 of which are ADA compliant. The sole access is via industrial
lane. Here is the landscape plan. 16 trees are to be added in total throughout the lot. The Southwest Florida Management District confirmed
that no additional stormwater management would be needed on site. The impervious coverage upon completion would be 0.55. This is below the 0.85. That is
permitted in industrial zones. in the city There are 3 conditions with this approval. These include standard conditions regarding date stamp
and plans. and land development code language. This concludes my presentation for questions regarding the details of the site plans or the project
itself, the applicant is prepared to respond directly to the council. to make comments to voluntary it's up to you. OK, very good. Thank you. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item. Seeing,
yes, sir, please approach the podium. We just need you to start with your name and city of or city of residence, please. Good evening. My name is Troy Zimmerman, and it seems like. you know, you guys try to stop this guy for his parking lot. Now you have 3 times the
parking lot. but that's it Are there other members of the public who wish to comment? OK, seeing none, council members, questions, Councilmember Fernandez. originally the size of the building did the parking
lot that is paved and was built, did we approve the number of parking spaces for that square footage of the building. Believe so for the initial asphalt parking, yes, so the on the part which was done without city's approval was the
addition of the gravel. But what what I'm asking is actually was the parking lot that was originally constructed sufficient for the size of the building in terms of parking requirements for the square footage of the building. Yes. OK, so now, um with the gravel
lot that has been added. um. so we're approving this after the fact because that work has already been done. Well, I would not say we're approving it as an Ala permit because the gravel has been added. So the applicant came in to the city
to apply for interior building renovations, and we found that there was unpermitted work, and as a result, in order to continue any work on the sites, they had to bring the site into full compliance, so the parking or the additional proposed parking would exceed what's
required based off of the size and the use of the building, so OK, uh, so my, my last question has to do with uh, well, I have two, OK, one is the car count. um because the original
assessment of this property and the parking would have been based on the number of spaces that were paved versus the number of spaces that we're looking at adding, um, and then I my last question, it has to do with storm water and I know you said swift mud said that we
don't need any additional capacity is that because this site is. still pervious surface as opposed to paving so the site can still drain naturally even though it's not grass anymore. So based off of the
stormwater management district assessment. They said that the additional gravel added to the lot would not result in any increase in surface runoff. OK, so that's still, that's a pervious surface that would still allow for drainage. because the maximum is 0.85 and
with the proposed additions, it would bring it to 0.55, which is way below the 0.85, which is permeated in that industrial zone. would like to reply to, did you have something you wanted to add, sir? Should I go
up to this? Yes, yes, sir. just need your name and uh my name's Eli Payne with baseline Engineering, uh, 2054 Saint Pete, um. yeah, so we, we pulled a swi my permit. There's a master swip up permit for the site that allows 90% CN which
is impervious ratio, and with this new added impervious, even though it is gravel, which not fully impervious, uh, even with considering it fully and purpose, we're still below that, that allowed for the site. OK, and I mean, I just would, I just want to make sure we're on the record because we did have
a considerable amount of stormwater drainage at the last hurricane episode and obviously we know that that was um we, we struggled to make sure to get the water off um so that, so my, uh, with regard to the parking
traffic counts. Is there any uh you know, is there any issue with I, when we originally permitted this site and and and contemplated the construction, etc. It was based on a building this size with this number of
parking spaces, um, so I don't know anything about the traffic count or is this beyond what the street can handle or or you know, I don't know anything about what we're adding in terms of the capacity how that has been engineered to make sure or to to make sure that we
don't have traffic problems. That's it. Yeah, um, yeah, I mean, we went through the concurrency process with the city, and I think we we were under the 1%, so we didn't even need to do uh concurrency application, um. or they needed to do a full traffic study. OK. So kind of de minimis there and
with the parking, yeah, so we had, he has 2020-ish roughly, um, employees on site that will use the existing parking lot, the other parking lot is kind of for um. vans let's say Tom and Joe throughout the day to pick up supplies, um, to, to, uh, travel to, uh, treat, I
think they're HVAC company. I just traveled to do services for the day. OK, that's fine See manager, did you have along with bringing the site up the toe and you know, they had to put in landscape islands to fit the gravel lot. They had to put in 18 roughly trees, uh,
photometrics, uh, ADA make it ADA compliant, clean up the dumpsters, he's doing, he's doing a lot of things with the site. uh, really improved the site Other questions Councilmember Kravitz regarding the 16 trees. What size and
what type? minimum size requirements. I believe it's like 1010 ft tall, 3 inches in diameter. Oh, it's a nice tree I believe. check the to Yeah, 8 ft tall, 22 inch diameter. You don't happen to know the
species. Uh, oats and crepe myrtles, I believe. right? Um, how do you feel about landscaping soils? just like in general or um that parking lot. Yeah, I mean, we, the, the site
does drain through, um, landscaping before it reaches the swales that are on the on the road. So the, the master development has swells along the road that collect all the stormwater from all the sites and route it to the to the master pond, um, so we'll, we'll kind of be treating as we go through this as we go
through our buffer into the soil for more treatment as it does to the uh master pond, which will have a wet treatment. Good. And um, you're not the owner, you're the representative of the owner, I'm assuming. Yes, sir. You don't happen to know how it came to pass in days of yore that they built out this
parking lot without a permit. No, I think they just assumed it's a gravel lot. There's a lot of gravel lots in the area. It's a very industrial area, um, and then, uh, yeah, just trying to rectify the situation. Thanks for answering the questions. questions OK, thank you very much. If there are no
other questions, is there a motion? Sure. Um, move to approve the final site plan SPR 25-03 for Hawkins parking lot expansion located at 7601 Industrial Lane with the
conditions as listed. motion a second discussion of the motion. If not, all those in favor say aye aye I opposed une's motion carries resolutions about the thank you. Thank you. So the next 3 items are related and so.
um I understand that there is a request by the petitioner for a continuance in this matter, so what we will do procedurally uh is to open all three of these public hearings concurrently, so we'll open all three. We
will hear from the petitioner for their request for continuance and then the council will, um, determine the whether to grant the continuance or not, but the, but that way it's for all three we don't have to have 3 hearings to hear the same
request and so um there's some issues regarding public comment on this, but I'll mention that when we open that up and so. I will open the first public hearing you bear with me. I gotta open threes. I'm opening the first public hearing and first reading of an ordinance
amending the comprehensive Planned Future Land Use Amendment designation for 5416 and 5418 Rainbow Drive, otherwise known as CPA-24-01. The next hearing we're opening at the same time as the first
public hearing and first reading of an ordinance to rezone 5416 and 54, 18 Rainbow Drive, otherwise known as RZP-24-03 from residential R 10
to commercial general. The 3rd public hearing that will be open is actually only a resolution approving the conditional use, otherwise known as CU-25-01 proposing parking lot expansion and placement of accessory structure, so those three
agenda items are now open, and we will now hear from Clay Matthews, who is representing the owner who is here to re request a continuance of all three matters. Evening council members Clay Matthews from Smoker Matthews, my firm is located in Tampa, Florida. Um,
uh, we represent Gassars, patio bar and grill, and liquor shop. I'm here with my client Jimmy, uh, Chacho and his wife Patsy Chacho and the owners of Gaspars um, and our client is seeking to expand his parking lot to serve his existing needs over there at gas bars. um, and to facilitate that project, we
have submitted 3 applications to that effect, which you just read off the Compline amendment, the rezoning, the conditional use, um, we're respectfully requesting that we continue the hearing on all three matters to January 20th, 2026, um, and, um, uh, the, um, the basis is we,
we just received the staff reports on Friday afternoon. So we've had some limited time to review those, and they've risen some issues that need to be addressed a little further, um, there's also a couple of issues that have arisen over the past couple of weeks that, um, I've been discussing with Mr. Mueller and Mr. Moreda over the past couple weeks that have
sort of just crystallized recently, um, and, uh, you know, we were dealing with, with prior staff for the, for actually almost 2 years at this point. And, um, we had been under some understandings with prior staff, fast forward, um, there's been some other issues that have arisen and so I think
we just need additional time to continue to address those issues and for, for those reasons, we would respectfully request that the applications be continued to, um, to January 20th, which I think should be more than sufficient time to work through these issues and potentially evaluate some other
options to facilitate the project and to achieve our client's objectives. So I think that should be sufficient time. So with that we, we respect for request the continuance. Thank you, Mr. Matthews. Now I know I have a couple of requests for public comment on these items which we will still honor. Um, however, that's changed a
little bit, so the, the public comment here, the issue before the council is simply the issue of whether to grant the continuance or not. And so the comet needs to be the comments and it should be restricted to that, not whether you are for or against approval of the of
the issue that will occur at the hearing. The question before the council now is simply whether to approve or deny the request for continuance so um I have two requests to speak if you still wish to speak on the merits of the continuance, uh, Mr. Juan
Carlos Perez, you are recognized uh, if you wish to speak on the continuance. Good evening Always good to see you council members, uh. Mr. City Attorney, Mr. uh Carlos Bala,
uh, city manager, and madam, um city clerk JC Perez from Temple Terrace. Um, before I would say whether we approve or not or you approve or not, the continuance, can you elaborate a little bit on what exactly that entails, because I have a
petition that I'd like to honor. since I'm representing a group of neighbors from that community. and my understanding was that. this portion of the hearing would not be addressed tonight because signs were removed over the weekend. and
when I noticed that, uh, yesterday I contacted the city in the morning and the information that I was given was that this was postponed and so I went back to the people on the list that um you should
have it's, it's list that I've sent to city staff and that I gave earlier today to the city clerk. along with some other evidence photographic, etc. um but I told these people unfortunately not to show up tonight and speak because that
was the understanding of what had happened. So going back to the original question then what would be the merit of either approving or not this continuance, and then I can maybe. give you a better answer. I, I can't enter any any
evidence into the record here. Am I allowed then to, to make my case, um. I would only on the continuance. only on the continuance. You, you, there'll be. ample, there'll be public comment. if the continuance is
denied and it goes tonight, you'll be recognized to make your case, but that people for or against that that will take place in the context of the hearing. Point of order, if I may direct a question to the city attorney, um, what we have
on the agenda is not a continuance. What we have on the agenda strictly speaking, is still the original item. And so even though the petitioner has now made a request for a continuance, I don't actually see that reflected in the literal text that is in front
of us and which is legally binding. So from my perspective, are we allowing the petitioner to control the agenda by making the request for continuance, or does the agenda supersede because the agenda is what was noticed publicly. At this time,
we have a motion for continuance. It does. that is what the issue is in front of the city council. Depending on how that is handled, the applicant has the right to have to ask for a continuance. So, he has asked for that continuance, and that has to be taken up before you get to the
merits of the matter. If it is continued, then the entire agenda items will get continued to the January 20th, 2026 agenda. So even though it's not reflected in the agenda. That is correct, the motion for continuance was officially made
now. Mhm So at what point does what people say become restricted when that motion is made. Prick is the only issue before the city council at this moment is the continuance, so that is the only thing that can be spoken to at this time.
Pretty fun way to control the crowd then, isn't it? If you make motion, say that again. Fun way to control the crowd then if you have a lot of people coming, you don't like how many people have shown up. You just make a motion for a continuance and all of a sudden it's shut down. Is that how that works? The applicant has
the right to make the request. He has made the request. It is up to the city council to make that decision. I yield the floor. Thank you. Mr. Perez, you have 48 I would ask them to, to deny it. and to you know
allow or recognize the the work that we've done the neighbors, uh, and to officially record it and not wait till January because there are many issues with light and the conditions of the properties that we would like to have addressed, so I would say no. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Mr. Perez.
Um, I have also a request to speak from Miss Tumbleson. Good
evening, ma'am Good evening,
Mayor, council, thank you for saying. Thank you for listening to me. First of all, I would like to say that I have known the chachas since 1980s. OK, they have as a code enforcement
officer. They have always done what I asked them to do within a very reasonable time. Now, the other thing I would like to mention is when the lots were bought. in the rear One was
bought in 2019. I apologize. I don't mean to interject, but again, we're only here on the matter of the continuance at this, I understand that. The other lot was done in 2017.
This is a reason that I think this should be continued. because this has been a long term plan. to take care of the parking situation. That is my
statement and I feel that the chachas because they've always been here to help. the city should have the continuance. Thank you. So, Ms. Bates, we might need some help with the
next one. We have a request, um, for comment from Mary Rose Owen, and I don't know if, um, Ms. Owens will be able to reach the microphone on top of the podium. Oh, OK, well, that's OK. We, um,
we wanna hear from her, but I, but we're gonna need a little help with either lowering that microphone or if we have a cordless microphone. Mary Rose, they're going to bring you a cordless. We're gonna, we're gonna give us a moment and we're gonna try to figure out a way to make this easier for you.
Perhaps she could remain seated while speaking exceptionally, if we can get the court over there, sure looks like, but that microphone will probably pick up the Owens from where she is. It'll pick up. OK, well, if she stands beside the podium
and. OK. we can I should pick you up just fine. Mr. Mayor City council Hi. My name is
Mary Rose Owens. residing at 110 South Lockmore Avenue, Temple Terrace, for the past 51 years. I want to tell you that
I have known Mister Toto for many years and I will tell you he is the most generous giving person you will ever know. I know that his interest is in
Temple Terrace, and he would never do anything that would not enhance the growth of our city. He is truly a temple terrace person one that we all love very much and are very
generous and supporting his cause. I would ask that you support Mr. Chacho Thank you. Owens. That's the last request I currently have. Are there
other members of I'm sorry, I don't hear you. Oh, no, no, I said thank you. make sure that doesn't get away from you. Are
there other members of the public who wish to comment on this item of the continuance. OK, so no council member questions. I have a question. Member Fernandez. So I guess what my question has to do with
the signage. and our can you go through where we stand because what's the requirement for the signs to be in place and how we would actually proceed if the signs were not in place
according to the rules that the council had established in the past Yes, um that was kind of explained earlier, uh, the, uh, signs were pulled prior to the time that they should have been pulled from the property, um,
the rezoning requires that these signs be there until the 2nd reading, um, in the, uh the for the comp plan amendment, they needed to be there. until, um, they should be, they should
remain and be removed, uh, within 7 days after each public hearing. So, uh since they were pulled early, uh, we probably have a missed notice here and that would state that, you know, because there's a missed notice
people might have misunderstood why they were pulled. Uh, it would have to be, would not be able to be heard tonight anyhow, because of that misnotice. So we would be needing to continue the case again so that it could be reposted. So I guess that's,
that's what I'm asking about the procedure tonight just just and just for the record for people watching city staff did not. pull the signs or ask to have the signs pulled, the city staff did not operate any in
any way differently from what they are required to operate, um. but with the signs being pulled in and not being displayed in accordance to our rules. then city council
theoretically could say we could say no to the continuance, and then we would have a hearing tonight, but people wouldn't know that we're having a hearing because it wasn't noticed properly. I'm not saying we are. I just it's a possibility, so I just so
procedure wise to me it doesn't, I don't see how we could proceed with any action on it since it wasn't properly noticed. That's that anyway, that's my thought. No Councilor
Kravitz um who made the motion for the continuance? what, what motion are we discussing right now? There is no for the continuance was made. we have to have, I believe that the
motion to continue or not continue or um dismiss without prejudice his counsel prerogative. I don't believe that the petitioner can make a motion that he's made the request. Yeah, there hasn't been a motion yet. So I'm just making sure that I understand what's being discussed at this moment. We're just asking
questions of whom. The petitioner Yes, you can ask because last I saw we had public comment. I'm just talking about how this flow of the meeting is going and whether we're following an orderly process here. Since it is quasi-judicial and we go to
council member questions, which is where we are. That's how we do it which are directed to the the staff or the petitioner or the owner or OK. Or the attorney. Um, that's good. Uh, then I have a question for the
city attorney. um from what I read and feel free to correct me. um when we have a missed notice. it deprives the body that typically would have jurisdiction. of the ability to make a decision in the case. So
the only thing that we're discussing right now. is whether to continue this, in which case the notice would have to be done properly. or we would dismiss it without
prejudice, thereby restarting the process fresh through the petitioner. Is that what I understand as being our two options. Do you agree with that? Again, right now, the only thing before the city council is the motion to continue.
which depending upon how that goes. There is no motion to continue yet. The request for a continue. OK. Yeah. Once that has been disposed of, then the city coun depending upon how it's disposed of, if it's the
cases continued, then it would just be moved to that January 20th, 2026 If that, that request is denied, then the city council can bring up other items. That's very interesting. So from what I just heard, if
we continue it to another date, it would be a continuation of the same process, which has the defect of a misnotice now. They would have the opportunity to correct the missed notice and how would he do that? They would repost the property, uh,
within the time required you know, the 10 days or 14 days prior to the hearing, uh, you know, if it gets continued, let's assume it gets continued to the 20th January 20th, they would have to post it. They would, uh, depending upon how um you know, how whether we
keep the hearing, uh, public hearing open or not, there may be need the need to uh re uh republish in the uh newspaper. and there may be the need to put out the good neighbor letters again also. I, I understand that it's possible
to put the sign back, but what I, what I believe is the case and again feel free to correct me if I'm wrong The posting of the sign is a strict requirement. based on Section 12 193 of Temple Terrace's Land Development code, and I'm happy
to read out the paragraph here. Um, the sign, the sign shall remain posted on the property until after the 2nd public hearing and then be removed, this is exactly a city attorney what you were just mentioning shall be removed unless a petition for reconsideration
shall have been submitted, blah blah blah. So the issue that I see here is that we do not actually have a continuous posting of the sign because it has been removed. And so even if we continue it, there will have been time in which the sign was not there and so the
strict liability for posting the sign. cannot be fulfilled if we continue. So really the only option we have legally would be to dismiss this. without prejudice, allowing the petitioner to bring his case fresh and do the notice
correctly and then the sign can be out there the whole time until, as you said, after the second public reading, and then the notice will be cured because there will no longer be a misnotice defect. I don't know if I necessarily agree with that. I think that the
case if the city council so wishes can be continued and the matter can be um, you know, any notices can be corrected prior to that continued date. I don't think that you have to deny the petition without prejudice and
have him start over again. I think that there's other ways to correct the misnotice. Can you name one Yes, to repost reposted, re-advertise it, send out the letters again in order to establish good notice. OK,
so just to be clear, if he does that, then the sign will not have been removed 3 days ago, and it will have been up continuously. I'm just not going to agree with you on that, Mr. Kravitz. I'm not going to get into this parsing, um I
believe that the notice can be corrected if the matter is continued. OK. In that case, I yield the floor. Vice Mayor. Yes, maybe we can clarify this a little bit. If the signs had not been removed and if we had
a continuance, with those signs have to be made up from now until January 20th. or would be repost that in a timely with the science have to this weather, who knows, I'd be sure they'd be, they'd be, they could be destroyed or vandalized or any other, any
other combination of, of, of problems as long when would they be required to be reposted? Actually, you're, you are correct. If they, um if this case were continued and the science had stayed up. The signs would have to stay there until the next hearing. The
they would theoretically have to it was either disposed of on first reading or second reading. They gonna have to stay up there for 3 or 4 months. Yes. Um-hum. I believe that is correct, yes So if we, if, if a, if a continuance is granted. OK,
when would the signs have to be reposted immediately? uh assuming they're still available Mr. Kravitz and I wasn't getting was that, was that your point? My point was actually really simple, which is that if the signs aren't up the whole time, it's a
missnotice and that under Florida law, by my understanding, it is a strict standard. You either have the signs up the entire time or you don't, and again, you can debate around the topic. Again, just my personal opinion here. I'm not the expert. What I read
here under Posted doesn't mean that an act of nature removes the sign, it remains posted if you put it in your property with the intention of having it displayed, and if something accidentally sweeps it away and you then go back and put it in. It's still posted. and likewise,
you can always have vandalism where people come and steal the sign, but obviously if you take the sign down that is no longer an act of God. It's no longer a trespass, right? And so you have a missed notice, and I think once you have that, if it's a strict standard, which
100% of what I read says it is, you have the missed notice or you don't, and if you have it, it's a critical failure and you start from fresh. so that everyone can participate in the process. Well, Vice Mayor. I
think Mr. Schisler, you are correct that had had the, um, had the signs not been pulled, they would have had in, in this continuance would have come before they would have had to keep the signs out there. To that effect, I don't think and
I would just have to look, look more into it, but I do believe that a missed notice can be corrected. You just can't go forward with the case on the merits during with the missed notice. I looked real hard and I didn't find anything. Perhaps the petitioner's attorney can
explain how such a missed notice can be cured. I don't know. I, I think we're, I think we're overcomplicating this whole affair. We truly do believe that, um, and if you guys want to do your legal sparring do do you do it behind,
behind the scene. I'm ready to make a motion whenever, whenever I'm just saying, I'm just saying when, whenever we're ready I'll come back to you, but I think council member, I do. So what I'm, I obviously we've talked about this and what I'm not understanding is,
if there is a misnotice, which I think there was a misnotice I don't understand how we can take any action tonight. on this in term because if we're looking at granting the
continuance we've, it's been requested that we grant a continuance. However, counsel has the discretion to say yes or no. If counsel were to take action on that emotion such as
that since we have the ability to say no, then that would then generate a hearing tonight which then would not have been properly noticed. so I guess I'm not understanding how we could even go forward on the on
a motion and and it's not this has nothing to do with the merits of saying yes or saying no. I'm just saying that there's the possibility we would say no and therefore that action would not have been properly noticed, so to me it just seems like, and I'm, I don't and I don't know the
legal process, but it doesn't seem like we can we can move forward. with any action on these including considering the continuance, but I don't know exactly the process that would
be. for me or somebody you know for us voting if we couldn't take action on this tonight. I think that's a good point, and I will say that, um, I do believe that we do have the, the problem with the misnotice, and I don't know if you're
willing to just withdraw your petition. A couple points. I, I think that. I'm happy to cut through this notice problem and say that if, if you grant the continuance, that was what the assumption that we would renotice and cure the notice problem. We're gonna, we would like to comply, if we're going to be continued, we're going to comply with the code, repost,
resend out notice to ensure that the neighbors and everybody in the surrounding community have notice of the hearing and everyone can be heard. Um, so we will repost, and we will re-notice to cure the problem. If, um, if you deny the request for continuance, and then I agree with Council member Fernandez, and I, I, I believe Mr. Miller,
you suggested this earlier that if um, if you were to try to go forward and hear the, the hearing item on its merits. It has technically been misnoticed, so it cannot go forward and be heard on the merits. So then it would be, it would have to be continued. Um, words certainly
not prepared at this point to withdraw all three applications. Um, we, we want to work through these issues with you and Mr. Moreda, so we're not prepared to withdraw them, um, but we think either way, um, it can't go forward. And either way, if we're gonna seek to cure the notice problem and then have it reheard at some point in the
future unless we come to, unless we choose and and pursue some alternative solution. I guess my suggestion to get us through this, would it be that we not continue it to a date
certain because I do believe we have a problem. We have a missed notice. Well, let me, can I ask you a question? I, I don't, I'm not an attorney. I don't think from my
understanding of the statutes and from our rules, I don't think we have the problem we think we have. I think we have a problem if we don't continue it. If we were to say no, we're going to do this tonight because we're tired of it and we want to get it done with. then we would have a problem
because it wasn't properly noticed. but if we're gonna continue it to a time in the future, there's an opportunity to cure the notice problem. And so these signs or temporary signs that are literally poked into the ground. You can't tell me that people don't steal
these signs all the time and that if you wanted to kill a project all you gotta do is sneak over there in the middle of the night and steal the signs for a day, and you've now misnoticed the whole thing, and it has to be dismissed without prejudice, and they have to start all over again, well then
you steal the signs again. I, I mean, nothing would ever get built because there'd be a whole group of people out there just taking the signs for 24 hours and nothing could move. so that can't possibly be the state of things. So I, I don't
know you, I, I'm gonna take advice from the city attorney, but I don't think that the fact that these signs were removed prematurely in good faith Let's not lose sight of the fact that the that the petitioner knew
that his legal counsel was going to ask for a continuance. I would assume I don't know what's going on inside other people's heads, but I would assume had no idea that a request for continuance is going to meet with such resistance. It's a pretty.
common and innocuous thing and just assume, well, I don't need these signs up anymore because we're not gonna have the hearing on Tuesday and so now the whole thing is being thrown into this, I, I don't understand if we don't meet
until January 20th on this property. It's only October. So if we go out and repost signs saying January 20th, and those signs remain up. that's legally defective, and they got to
withdraw and start the whole I that's hard for me to believe it's, it's become, I think, an unnecessary quagmire. I think in order, uh, I think that this. any missed notice can be cured with this continuance and I believe I don't see necessarily
how that prejudices anybody else. because there's going to be an opportunity for, for a full hearing on the 20th, that will be properly noticed. So I I myself would prefer to see us go forward with continuing this to a date certain. There are
some issues, but I think they can all be cured appropriately by continuing this case. smear. I'm prepared to make a motion We're at that stage OK, I move that we, uh, grant the
continuance. properly notify it. I don't believe I, I, I'll have a comment on the, on the, on this later, but um, approve the approve the continuous to date certain January 20th. OK, 2026,
um, signage go back up as soon as humanly possible, as soon it's properly noticed and that should cure, hopefully that would cure any uh issues that that are arriving is for, for the missed notice and then move forward from there. OK. Mr. Vice Mayor, I need you to read
in each of the three earrings that are open. OK, no problem All right. OCD. So, we'll do, so move to approve the continuance for item 12C, the
first public hearing and first reading ordinances amending the CP Comprehensive Plan Future Land Use Management map designation for 55416 to 5418 Rainbow Drive, CPA 2401, uh, calling for proper signage to
be posted as soon as possible, and they continue, continue to date certain of January 20th, 2026. Then 33 separate motions or one motion all combined motion motion come back, and
then the, um, uh, gran proven a continuance for first public item 12D. First public hearing or first reading of the ordinance to rezone 5416 to 5418, Rainbow Drive, RCP 2403
andres from residential 10 or 10 to commercial uh general CG. and then finally reso um uh motion to continue the rest um do we for this one? No, same motion, just read the heading. OK, 12e resolution approving
conditional use CU 25-05 proposed parking lot expansion and placement of accessory restructure. We have a motion. discussion of the motion. Council memberer Kravitz So by
January when I, when, when we come together again to discuss this. um, the error, the defect will have somehow been cured, and I'm wondering how exactly that will occur and in what way that would be different. from
starting over with the process and doing the notice properly because from my understanding, that is what we're discussing is that petitioner will go and do the notice properly. How is that different from starting over? And how, how can a
removing the sign, then it's not being continuously posted, not talking about trespass, not talking about natural disasters. How exactly does that get cured because, as I said in the Temple Terrace Land Development Code, it looks to me like a strict standard that the sign has to be posted out there as
the owner puts it out with the intention of it being posted. throughout the entire time all the way until the end of the 2nd reading and if it's removed prior. I don't exactly see how we can go back in time and fix the fact that the notice wasn't
done. So why not simply do it properly from the beginning, because when I make a mistake like that. I don't always try and fix it, sometimes it makes a lot more sense to just start over and do it right. Ah you discussion of motion. don't
lose in favor say aye. I opposed. one they on some of the crowds boots that OK, January 20th. Thank you, council. Carryover council business. Any carryover council
business. New business and board reports. Councilmember Kravitz, thanks. Um, question directed to the city manager regarding the virtual PASt town hall which we voted to have. Is there any update on when that
will occur? Yeah, we, we've discussed that, we discussed that a few meetings ago. So what, once we get the, uh, my suggestion at the time, which the counselor, I believe, uh, concurred with, was to uh get
the report from CHA um, have that information and then hold the, uh, the, do a public town hall in fact and also have a component that would be a a team's meeting or most likely be a teams meeting, um, uh, as part of that. uh, once we get the final report. is there a
time frame? Yes, so, uh, they are, as I've mentioned to the council in your, in your update, they have, uh, they're doing pilot testing. There are some new technologies that have come onto the marketplace that we've asked them to look at so they're doing those, uh, in, in terms of pilot testing and
bench testing as well and because of the uh that additional testing, the time frame originally we were thinking they would be done by, let's say December, January, we pushed that out now we're looking probably June, uh, to get that final report in from CHA. so no virtual town hall in
PFASS until June of 2026, but I wouldn't have anything to report new, so that's what I've informed the council before once we had information to report, we'd have a have a live town hall if the council chose to, as well as a virtual tunnel. Uh perhaps I misremember, but I think when we passed that
motion, the idea was that we were going to present the essentially same content as the live. PASt Town hall but in a virtual format so that people who are disabled or otherwise unable to access the live town
hall can participate in a similar way, but if we now make a contingent on new information being available, which I do not think was in the text. of that motion that passed. then we are not really achieving that objective, because the people who aren't able to go to the
live town hall won't have any participation option until the middle of next year. So I would just say that when we had the live town hall in August. we also had it on streaming and we also took questions from the public from the streaming version of those town of that
town hall. So if someone was were disabled, they could have participated that way that was one form to participate, so we did take questions in that format. I've already mentioned this to the council, you, the virtual town hall was, we had the life to was directed. There was a virtual town hall to be made. I suggested to the
council that it be held once we had information. because otherwise you'd be put, you'd be publicizing a new town hall now virtually. People would think there's new information. There isn't really any new information right now of substance. So my suggestion was to make better use of time. to
do it once we have new information. OK. Let the record reflect that in my opinion, the motion that we passed back then saying live and virtual town hall. Let's get as many people as we can into the PFAST discussion. my personal view, it's not being implemented. Um,
I have another point on Riverside Park Workshop coming up, um, I'm curious if we have an update for Riverside Park's design based on the public feedback that we received. And again, the reason why I'm asking this question again and again is because the point of
the Riverside Park workshop is to discuss what we may or may not change with respect to Riverside Park. but we don't know what H will have already changed when we have this discussion. If we don't get
their design update based on the over 350 people who submitted their feedback to them. If we don't get that, we're flying blind. And so this workshop doesn't make a whole lot of sense in my mind. Well I ultimately, the council
dictates the design of of of Riverside Park. uh we were planning the workshops so the council would have an opportunity with half associates there. to have a conversation about where we are what you'd like to see um, the
costs which have been shared with the council. If you'd like to phase the project, so we had that was the point of the workshop to allow the council, who ultimately again has the authority and a direct to direct how you want to see this park developed, the ability to do that. um, so that was the
premise. Uh, they're going to give us an updated design based on the public feedback that they solicited half a year ago or not. If you would like to, um, we can have them submit if the council wishes, we can have them submit whatever design they have at this moment. But what was, what was the plan when we solicited public
feedback? Wasn't it that they were going to somehow use it. No, I don't, I don't think that's how it works, typically with the public feedback it's shared with us. and when they come with the design. we take the public's input and say,
well, the public wants this. I mean, I don't, I don't think that the designer that's how we've done it in the past. I don't, I mean, we've never built a park, so maybe I'm wrong, but another like buildings and things that we've solicited public comment down town halls. The public feedback
is given to us and, and then we drive that at the meeting, um, and say, well, the public would like to doesn't want the observation whatever that public feedback is, that would be one workflow, but what I remember and what I have documented in multiple emails
is that the process was we're going to have this public hearing. We're going to bring all the public in. They're going to give their feedback. They went up and they made their marks. A lot of people did it online. Half was then, this was the workflow again. They were supposed to provide us with an updated design based
on the public feedback. Now if they're not doing that anymore or if somehow the last 6 months of communications that effect was all an imagination of mine, then that's perfectly fine, but it seems to me like they owe us an update where they take the public feedback into account
but I've made my point, so let the record reflect that I don't think that we've gotten our public feedback from HAF yet, and it would be very nice to have before we have the workshop, and I won't belabor the point anymore. Um, and I have one more question on Enigma Plaza. Is there any
update with respect to the driveway encroachment issue on that property. Yes, as I've mentioned to council in an update several weeks ago, um what, what we have provided them actually. Mr. Pawley, have we actually provided this to them or are they still waiting
on completion? Good evening, Greg Pauly, director of Community Development, um in, uh in addressing your question, sir, the, uh, document that was
approved for delivery was delivered by hand to the site. Um, I don't recall the exact date, but it was within days of us discussing it, um. it was relayed to us at that time that, um, the owner of the project was out of the country. Um, I
do not know what his current status is, um, but it was delivered to the site supervisor, uh, with instructions to deliver it to the owner as soon as he is available to do so. So for the council's, uh, just sort of recollection. So what we've
done is meeting with the the developer of the Enigma, the way his plaza was approved, he has a southern bay of parking that the only way to access that southern bay is by encroaching into the city's property. We have provided a temporary um um uh
authorization for them to make use of that property. of our city property just along that edge to have access to those parking spaces, um, until such time as the city deems that we no longer want to authorize that. uh or until such time, for example, as we, we have a developer for that property or
we wanna use that property for something else. totally at our discretion uh, but in the meantime I felt it was fair to allow the developer to use that to get access to those parking spaces. Yeah, sounds like a reasonable solution to me. Um,
final question, no longer relating to Mr. Pauly, uh, when I was first elected, we had a discussion, one of the very first meetings we had when we were still having in-person meetings was whether this three panel fence rule which was not locatable in the statutes. um,
would continue to be applied. And from my understanding, um, the previous code enforcement director Tom Baroni did continue to apply that rule even though there is no statutory basis for it. So my question is, are we still applying that rule or have we ceased? I would say that if
you'd allow me, I'd follow up with staff on that and I can have a report back to the council at the next meeting. OK. And since I still have the floor, I would like to bring up the topic of the golf course and planting trees in it one more time. Um, we all love trees. This is a top 3 issue
for the citizens of Temple Terrace. I think it's a fantastic option here to go into the golf course and plant some trees, um, because it's beautiful, and I think the golf course affects hundreds and hundreds of people in the city. A lot of people live near the
golf course, even people who don't live near the golf course will go on the golf course. They'll walk past it. They'll enjoy it. Sometimes they'll walk on the golf course and until, you know, um, as far as I'm aware, there's a really good relationship between the community and the golf course so that it sort of doubles as a
bit of a central park, uh, of course, with the golf playing element still in the foreground, um, and, uh, so on June 17th, I made a motion once upon a time to go to the golf course and let's cooperate with them to plant some more trees, uh, and
that didn't happen. Um, I got an email from the general manager back then, uh, to the following effect. I've been informed by the president of our board of directors that he is working with the mayor about receiving tree s from the city. So I thought, great, OK, let's see how that goes. My response was, that's great as long as the goal gets accomplished,
that's all I care about. So I recently asked whether we're any closer to the goal of putting any trees into the golf course, and I found out, interestingly enough, that the trees last planted in the golf course. are from 2,022, so
almost three nearly 4 years have passed since a single city tree was put into the golf course, and that is clearly not a sufficient number, 0 trees is not enough trees going into the golf course. And so I have a motion, and that would be that
we appropriate $500,000 from the tree fund. specifically for Temple Terrace G golf course landscaping, tree planting, and the necessary irrigation infrastructure with the implementation to be coordinated through the city manager's office with quarterly progress reports to city council, beginning with the
first update being provided in January 2026 at one of the two meetings of the city council in that month. and providing an implementation plan. and timeline So we have $1.4
million in the tree fund now. And when I was elected, we had $1.2 million in it. And what I see is that the amount of money in this tree fund continues to increase. and no trees are being planted. or very few So
if the money in the adopted tree fund is not being spent That means its purpose is not being achieved, because the reason there's money in that fund is because other people have taken trees out. They've chopped them down, and because they chopped those trees down,
we have had to pay money into the tree fund. So what we're having is trees going out, money accumulating in this tree fund. and it's not being spent to replace the trees, so that's why I think we should take a large amount of this money which still is only 1/3 of the
money that's in there. and cooperate with the golf course to beautify it, provide it with great landscaping, put some lovely trees in there and work with them. so that we can beautify that whole part of the city. and I know irrigation has been an issue in the past Let's
use some of that money to lay irrigation. Irrigation is not expensive. It is easy to install and there are many companies that do that service, so I think that it would be a really interesting opportunity here to use a space that is not being fully beautified like it
could be and at the same time we'd be doing a lot by doing this to support our golf club, which many people also value, so there's my motion, and I invite 2. Would you please restate the motion in a I'd be happy to. So the motion is I
move that we appropriate $500,000 from the tree fund. specifically for Temple Terrace golf course landscaping, tree planting, and the necessary irrigation infrastructure with implementation to be coordinated through the city manager's office with quarterly progress reports to city
council, beginning with the first update in January 2026 at one of the two city council meetings providing an implementation plan and timeline. Thank you. I'll second that or um discussion. I
have some questions. So, uh, first question is, is the tree fund allowed to be used for irrigation. So, um, that, and because that was a concern of
mine, um, because I know that at the country club when they got their irrigation repaired. and green and they did the work on the greens that the tradeoff was swift mud provided some grant funds and in doing that,
the country club had to reduce their permit for the number of gallons they're allowed to pump, so they were very clear that they have no capacity to share the water. because that they
gave up that capacity, so my question would be one is can the tree fund funds from the tree fund actually be used towards any kind of irrigation, even though the irrigation is too irrigate trees, um, and
what, what would the water source be? What would that irrigation connect to? in order to provide the water there because it cannot connect to the country club system. Um, so we tho those are my questions and then I did, I do have a
question because it has been brought up that maybe a a solution because I, I agree we need to be putting back the 15,000 trees that we've lost or were damaged and not all of it on public land, but a a
suggestion has been to create and adopt a tree program where somebody in the community can specifically adopt a tree and then they become responsible. It's not going to put back 15,000 at once, but they would then be responsible themselves
for the irrigation of that tree until it's established on public lands, so, uh, so those are my questions you know. I don't have questions. I have comments. Well, this is questions. This is a question
we had a motion and a second, so it's discussion. Oh, you're right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. OK, so being a golfer and being there all the time and I hear the discussions of the club. I couldn't, can't support your motion now. There's no way to
plant trees until the uh dead and dying trees which are many on the course or uh. taken care of, and this is something I brought up before. We have a tree survey being done in our city of city lands. It's not being done on the golf course. I think that would probably be
the first step to do is uh have a survey done, but the club has done that and it's done that with our city arborist, uh, many times they know which trees need to come out and that's a more danger to the public than planting new trees. It would also open up areas to
plant the new trees, so but it's a process and I know the mayor and uh city manager have been meeting with the executives of the golf course very regularly and they've been talking about this topic and uh the groundskeeper Rodney is well aware of what's going on,
so I can't support that motion. I fully support trees going in the golf course. I fully support trees coming out of the golf course because that's a danger to our public, but we don't have anything in place right now to do that, and I think we need to work on that So that's why I can't support your motion tonight and will not support any other motion
tonight in my opinion. for me. Yes, um, first of all, we do have a, we do have an existing process within the tree ordinance that allows for the removal of the of the dead and dying trees on the core of the public course that we did that. 3 years ago, or, or maybe even
longer than that. So we do have that process. I also cannot support the the this this motion tonight because we don't know um where we're gonna, what we could put and to to to to to try and establish something
without uh golf course, uh. input. where did they hit the water? It's gonna come out of the come out of our city system, which is now going to become a budgetary item which's going to be going into the future because as, as, um, council member Ferneda said we cannot
touch the wells. They're, they're probably barely under capacity now, and that'll trigger a repayment back to SwiftMud. So I, I was involved with that tripparty agreement, and I know exactly, um, they have to report on a regular basis where they stand and it would, they just don't have,
they don't have the uh the capacity within their pumping, so it's gonna have to become a city, um, if the city's gonna pay for that, it's going to become a, a, a, a drain on the, uh, the, the water usage throughout the city. Um, so, uh
I, I, I too want to see the, the, the, the tree survey when it comes back, we can't put 15,000 trees on on the golf course. I know that's not the intention, but we, we, we, we can't stop the, the, the, the fix onto, onto that public
property. So I, I still, and I thought we were, we were, we were waiting on the tree survey to come back. I think it was relatively imminent that it would be done and, and reported back to us at that point, then we can utilize the uh uh the
monies that are that are sitting there in in that fund to uh um help in uh other other public uh public parcels with the within the city. So at this point I can't support that that motion without an awful lot
more research and and information that's got to come, come forward. for us to work with Just one clarification, um, the tree fund money cannot be used to remove dead and dying treason. That's, that's our operating money. The tree fund money can be used for the
replanting. We, we did a, I would, huh, we have huh, we changed, we. We changed that ordinance. Now, it does, uh, the third thing does say the removal of sick, dying, infested danger, we changed that a few years ago. Yeah, no, it's, it's OK, so taking on all
the feedback here, it seems to me that a minimum viable motion would be first of all include the golf course in the tree survey because that is currently not the case. So waiting for the tree survey with respect to the golf course doesn't seem like it makes any sense. Included in the tree survey, or do some sort of
survey if that's reasonable for whatever reason that might be required. I don't know why it matters, but that's fine. Let's say we include that, great. Next step. remove the dead trees if we need to specifically appropriate money from the tree fund and approach the golf course to do that,
move that ball along, do something instead of just standing here and saying we can't do this because of Swift mud. We can't do this because of the other thing. There are things that can be done to get trees into the golf course. And again, I'm not saying that we want to make it difficult for anyone playing golf. My
attention has always been as it is right now, even though I didn't state it in the motion. I have said this previously. On the city right away, the area along the road, because that is what people see. That's where they get the most enjoyment out of it, and it's easiest for our staff. at the appropriate time
to do maintenance on those trees if that's needed. So including the golf course in some sort of tree survey. going out, working with the golf course at all phases has always been my position to identify where they would like to have
trees. removing the dead trees, if so required. replacing them with nice new trees, and if there are areas where they need irrigation, there are ways to devise irrigation solutions that won't rely on pumps or maybe there are other things we
can do other than tapping into the wells that are of supposedly a problem. I can't imagine that the city of Temple Terrace is not allowed to irrigate its own right of way. If we have right of way, I'm sure that there is a provision somehow that our talented staff
can discover that will allow us to irrigate some kind of landscaping in this right of way. Now, in a year there's going to be an election, and people really are focused on this issue, and they liked the trees in Temple Terrace, and they know and they see that the trees are coming out. So
eventually this dam will break, so I can promise everyone up here that, and I'm very disappointed that every time I bring this topic up, the outcome is the same. No trees planted. This has to change So I think if we have a minimum viable motion up here, it would
be look at the golf course objectively. Work with them to include them in a survey of trees of some kind. Figure out how much space there is for trees. If there's space that's blocked by dead trees. Remove them, hire contractors from outside of the city if our staff don't have capacity. There's no reason not to do
that. We have over a million dollars in the tree fund and it only keeps going up. And the third thing we can do is try and figure out some kind of irrigation solution without going through swift mud. There has to be a way to irrigate the right of ways in Temple Terrace
without causing a problem. I can't imagine that there's no water anywhere in the city of Temple Terrace that we can use to irrigate a tree that we put into a right of way that abuts the golf course. That would be absurd, and I can't believe that I live in a first world
country where that isn't possible. So anyone wish to comment uh just procedurally, we have a motion that's on the floor and we're discussing it, yes. which is why I just invited anyone who would like to to opine on the topic. OK,
thanks. Yield the floor OK, Councilman I can, do you want me to opine or just I could be done. I'm an opine away. So what you're saying, I don't like being preached to, which I just did, but that's fine. We've been fighting, not fighting, but advocating trees
on the golf course way before you were elected, probably way before you moved in, and that's fine. I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'm just saying in your motion tonight the way you made it, you didn't make anything about irrigation other than put in irrigation. There's things that have to be studied. I don't disagree with
that. and I get it started. I think at our last goal setting I wanted golf course stuff put in golf course trees put in. Staff has got projects they are working on it. I know the mayor's been talking to the golf course. I don't disagree with anything you said. I
disagree with the tone and the the accusation that we're not doing anything. The club's working with the, the, uh, city on that. So all I'm saying is fine, I'm not supporting the motion that the mayor's gonna call for the vote. I have a comment, if I may be recognized
to respond to that. So first of all, the city is not doing anything with the golf course because from my understanding there has never been a successful council vote up here to do that. So whatever the mayor may or may not be doing behind the scenes is without
authority because he has not been authorized by this body to engage in explicit discussions with the golf course, which is something that has been held against me on many occasions, including at the beginning of this meeting when the mayor himself pointed out that my innocent question to the chairwoman of the Centennial
Committee did not reflect an opinion of counsel and that she should not begin thinking about any sort of celebrations to host downtown. I have also made motions on this topic repeatedly in the past, which have been voted down, and I have not seen anyone else make a motion regarding this topic other than the motions that I
have made. And so from my perspective, my point is certainly not to criticize the work that anyone else here has done, and it's also not to think about what may or may not have happened before I moved here or before I was elected or any of those other things. What I'm looking at is the problem that is right in front of me,
and I'm trying to figure out how to address it. And the problem that we have is that we lost 15,000 trees in our last hurricane season. Everyone can see that there are fewer trees in Temple Terrace, and I'm sorry if I have a preachy tone, but at some point a person's
patience is gradually exhausted, and we've gotten to a point where I am now making this motion for, I believe, the 3rd time to try and get any kind of traction into this topic, which is, as I've said, a top 3 topic for our electorate. and all I am seeing is people shaking
their heads. It is not my job, your job, or anyone's job up here to come up with the implementation details. We are a legislative body not the executive, and every time I make this motion, this topic comes up and it is held against
me that I have not thought through every detail That is not my role. My role is to give that to staff so that they can execute on the decision that we make. and now I yield my time
All those in favor say aye. All those opposed say nay nay. OK, motion fails, I guess. That'll be a 40, ma'am. Well, that's a 51 or a 41. OK, other new
business or board reports. Yes, Vice Mayor. uh, for several months, uh, as this is my um uh responsibilities since the, the heart rep representative to the heart. board um I'd like to
read a statement into the record regarding the uh um. changes that are going on within heart, uh, since the introduction of proposed legislation regarding the future of public transportation governance in Hillsburg County. Hart board chair, Councilmember
Louis Viera, and CEO Scott Dranville have active have been actively engaged in an ongoing dialogue about both the structure, structural funding challenges faced the agency and the opportunities to strengthen service delivery within Hart's current framework to ensure the best outcomes for the customers,
community taxpayers are hard employees. As part of this effort in the coming months, Hart will pause on active pursuit of seeking approval from its three member jurisdictions that would authorize revisions to the heart ar t ch Charter. These proposed revisions would include the Hart board of direct board composition based
on population growth, the Hartboard membership of membership involvement of various committees and the maximum adviorum tax that could be levied based on full valuation of real property and provide the opportunity to work with state and local affected
elected officials towards a sustainable solution that best serves our community and employees. keeping the focus on meeting the mobility needs of the community. Hart remains committed to the transparency, accountability, collaboration, and will continue to keep it,
keep the public informed of these conversations moving forward. I read in this record so that everybody realizes and understands why we have not put forward with bringing out presentations to the council, uh, for, um, uh discussing and
and approving the or not approving the uh uh charter revisions that were brought forth late in spring and early summer. So that's just what we're going to see because I know I've been kind of sort of, well Scott, the CEO's gonna come out and uh I thought I owed it to the to the council
to at least the posi with the official position of heart is at this moment in time. So thank you, Vice May the questions Vice Mayor on this council member probably. So my understanding is you'll be bringing a presentation to this body. someday maybe, and then at that point prior to doing so, you will solicit this body for
emotion and a positive vote to have that presentation because that has been the standard that has now been set. Um, I will not be making a presentation, no. He will be making a presentation and being we are members of the legis we were
one of the legislative members or members of the of the of the entity uh Beenberg, they would be able to request the ability to make the presentation. Oh, interesting. So an outside body can put this on the agenda through you. Pardon me? An
outside body can place this item on the agenda through you. I can request, we can request it, I guess they'll be, I won't be making the request. They will be making the request because I will be voting on it. So I will not be involved with that at all. You will not be
presenting. No, I will not be presenting. Oh, good, thank you, because I heard a different thing when I first asked the question. That's all. That's all my questions. Thank you very much. OK Do you have any questions for Vice Mayor? No, thank you. Are there other new business or board reports? I have, yes, for the city manager,
uh, are you, is someone gonna respond back to the gentleman about naming Enigma Plaza that we don't have any control over that. Someone will reach out to them. I would hope that he left an address or something. He, he did. Correspond with it. Yeah, I checked while he was here. OK. That's all. We'll be getting that. Yeah. Yes, coman
Fernandez. So I, you, you can tell me if you want me to do this during the city manager's report. I just, I do want to ask about a plan or a process. for retreating the public spaces, so I've been, nobody
asked me. Yeah. Well, that was one of my questions before we, um within a month ago at our last meeting with the country club, which uh the this body did authorize us to have these monthly meetings with them I
probably before council member Kravitz was on it, so he might not be aware of that, but we, we don't make I'm like I don't speak for the city and commit things. I mean, we bring them back an example of something we brought back was uh, the city
manager asked for council's approval for us to use our public works crews to help along the curb lines even though they're lease says that they're supposed to, we wanted to freshen it up because that's the parts that so the council, it's not like we're back in a smoky room making commitments
for the city, but so the trees I heard that so the the trees. um, we had a discussion with them, we told them about the tree survey, which they, of course, knew. They're not included in the tree survey, which they also of course knew we've talked to them about our,
um, goal to, you know, we have this money, we want to replant. At one point they were under the impression this is where the email that there was a thirdhand report to Council member Kravitz that they were working with the mayor to replant trees. Well, that was not the case, that was never true, but again, nobody asked
me. What happened was um. Mr. Capaz, the president told the general manager that he had a discussion with the city manager and I, and she took that to say they were working. with us to plant trees, which was a little more than what we were doing. They were under the impression at one point that
they, they needed to buy these trees and they were even suggested by a council member that they, at least what they told me was that the council members suggested they partner with the some foundations and national organization that would maybe give them a grant to purchase the trees. and I
did tell Mr. Capaz you don't need to do that. We have a tree fund that's very robust and, and it is city property we would be happy to provide you with trees. You don't need to go buy and get a grant to buy the trees, we'll, we'll provide you with the trees, and I don't
think that was an overstep because it's city property and we do that for everybody, so it's not like I committed to, I mean, if you want a tree in your yard, you could get one too, so. um, that was taken and reported back as they were working with us to identify locations to plant trees, which
was never the case. So recently we talked to them about the tree survey, we talked, they talked to us about the need to remove some dead and dying and diseased trees. The leas clearly requires them. to pay for the removal of dead and
dying trees in the disposal of the. waste we a couple of years ago when I was misunderstood what we did, but you were right, a couple of years ago, the city council approved revisions to the tree organs that allowed us
to use tree fund money to help them but we were very clear that we did not want to change the lease and take over responsibility for the entire golf course, tree canopy that was still their responsibility. So at the time they paid to cut
those trees down and the city paid to dispose of the waste. um. we were still, I mean, I, I can't commit to this. I don't even think Carlos can without coming back to counsel and saying, look, this is what we want to do, but we talked to them recently about OK um, let
us know how many of these trees need to come down, about how much stuff we're talking about, where they are. and we need you to put this on a map with a replanting schedule also, so that we know what's coming out, we're, we're can trees go back in, they have this it's just
old. It hasn't been updated since. I don't you remember 202021, 22, something like they have this document already it's just outdated because they've already done a lot of the work so we asked them to refresh
this with the current conditions and then we would talk about what commitment the city could make. towards the removal of these trees and what they're replanting plant would be, where would these trees be located? Where are the species and all that? So that's where
we left it. That's only been, I don't even think it's been a month ago since our last meeting, so that information is very fresh. We're not overstepping. I don't, I don't do that when we have this information and it comes time for the city to commit to what we are willing to do and what
we're not. That's a council decision just like it has been in the past. um, and it will be a council decision in the future. OK, so I mean I, I couldn't support the motion because it part of the motion was that the funding would be
used for irrigation, which is not allowed. So, um, but I would like to ask if. with the country club not part of the tree survey, and I understand that's kind of a quasi we own it, but we, they have a lease.
um, I guess what I'd like to see is how. how can we create a comprehensive replanting and maintenance plan for the trees that exist already on our
public land which I think is going to come out of the tree survey, but also how can we create a plan to work with the country club to retree or to untree the damaged ones and to
retreat for the existing ones in as part of this plan creating a way that those trees can be irrigated at least until they're established, and I know it's not. I, I know that we have irrigation in parts of the
city however, knowing exactly where uh country club rough is and knowing that there might not be any irrigation near it that that would be, it could be very expensive to run permanent irrigation. I don't know I, I don't, I don't know, but what
I'm asking is if it's possible that we can talk about creating a plan that actually has actionable items and then that that plan is as as it moves
forward that we have a process for retreating as we lose them because I, it's not just the storm. we lost, you know, a, a very good number of trees in those two storms, but if you look around, a lot of our oak trees are getting older, so
even without a storm, we're going to start losing a lot of our larger oak trees just because of their age and you know, I, I, I would like to ask that we keep that we keep that in our mind as we're creating
this plan to main sure, make sure that we're maintaining our tree canopy We're having to put a lot back now, but, but to maintain it, that we're replanting as trees are getting older and, and maybe all of this is gonna come out of the
tree survey and then that's through that we're going to be able to create a plan, but the golf course is not part of the tree survey, and it's a an extensive part of the green space in the city of Temple Terrace, so I mean I guess that's what I would ask. I
don't have anything at all against the proposal that was made that I know we can't use those funds for that purpose. I think it's probably best directed to the city manager, but I will say that I mean. you voted for this too when we had a discussion about funding the
tree survey. The whole purpose of the trees survey was to create a canopy master plan that's which is what I have is what you're talking about, but we, we funded that last year. I mean, so this is not a new road that we're going down. This is the whole purpose of the survey
that's underway now was to do exactly what you're talking about doing. um. yeah, the golf course property wasn't included in it. but I mean I don't think it would be that hard to take the survey that data we get and incorporate the call, but
anyway, that's probably it. And, and that, but that's just my request is that as we move forward that we create basically some sort of consistent continuous process for evaluation, maintenance and replacement, and that's it.
Other new business or board reports. OK. City manager's report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council, uh, since we're talking about trees and it's been referenced here this evening. The, uh, tree study consultant biotech is as part of their contract, they're
hosting a public engagement meeting on Monday, November 3rd. Uh, it'll be at Lightfoot, uh, doors open at 5:30. The presentation will be at 6. There'll be Q&A time, um, after the presentation. This is to share their results thus far and to talk about what still remains to be done and collect
community input, um, for the uh urban forest management plan that that you've all discussed. Also wanted to let the council know that the FDOT is participating in the America 250 initiative, which is in honor of the 250th anniversary of the, of the country uh in
next year. and as part of that, they are, um, in our community, they have uh contracted with an electrician to replace the in-ground uh lights at the pergolas at the entrance to the city by the Tower on Fifty-Sixth Street. with red, white, and blue uplighting. So,
uh, they're working on that right now. I imagine within the next days or week or so, you, you might see that. So that'll be a nice touch, um, as folks enter the uh southern gateway Also wanted to take the opportunity to update the council on several um items,
just to let you know that we're working on them and when they're going to be expected before you, um, uh. council was asked about a social media policy for council members. We expect to present that to you on the November 4th agenda. at the last CRA meeting, uh, the
CRA board asked us to look at what the process would be to amend the borders of the CRA, uh, Mr. Pawley will be prepared to discuss that at the next CRA meeting on November 18th. Uh, we're also still working with the would-be buyers for the
city's property in the CRA, um, uh, we, we've retained outside legal counsel and throughout state legal counsel, we also retain the services of a business consultancy which has looked at the financials for the company. Uh, they've got some input already that we're gonna be sharing with the uh the would-be buyers this week.
uh this week or early next week actually, um, to see how they respond to that and then we're gonna bring that information back to you um as soon as we, we can. uh, as was mentioned earlier, the Riverside Park workshop, we were unable to come up with a date that where all the council members could
attend, uh, I will ask Ms. Barlow to try again to see if plans that may have changed perhaps and we may find a day and time that'll work. And then the last thing I would ask, um, the council's indulgence to have Mr. Langfeld come up and talk about the fall festival.
Good evening, Mr. Langfield. Good evening, Mayor. Members of the city council. I come to unite dressed in my Halloween costume as a dedicated city employee. um, to talk about Fall Festival, which is coming up this Saturday, October 25th from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m. at the field behind the family complex.
This is a event that is free to the public. Uh, we do ask that if you're able to bring a donation of a non-perishable food item for the Temple Terrace Elementary School Food Bank. Activities that evening will include trunk or treat, a hay ride, the creepy petting
zoo, which if y'all like to pet tarantulas and lizards and have at it. I prefer bunnies and goats and, but anyway, uh, the mysterious maze is always a big hit, uh, a DJ in dancing, carnival games, as well as food trucks will be available. The event will culminate with a
costume contest at 8:00 p.m. with great prizes for age groups and a family category. Uh, I want to extend special thanks to the Citizens, civic groups, and local businesses that participate and make the trunk or treat portion of this spent of possible, uh,
dedicating a Saturday night and the expense of buying a tremendous amount of candy that gets given out that night. Um, so special thanks to those groups. Also want to thank City departments including fire public, uh, works, and the police department as well as the leisure services department for all their efforts in making
this uh event go off without a hitch. Uh, fall festival is one of our, um most well attended and, and most dynamic events that we do every year, and I hope to see all of you out there that evening. Thank you. Any any questions Vicemer? I
have a question for, for Mr. Bay about any questions he's up. Thank you very much. OK. Oh, Vice Mayor. The gentleman that was here earlier regarded the garage issue. Um, was I missing I was he was looking, he had a
zoning issue that he needed change as he, he needs to go through the um. uh, uh, board of adjustment for that, doesn't he? Do you know what happened? Yes, we, I know what happened. So, uh, we, I've met with Mr. Harris's property as has a couple of our staff as well to
discuss this. um what he has is he the, he has a mid-century modern type of home, and there is a detached garage, which is in the side yard. When that garage was built, we understand that garage was built prior to Mr. Harris's ownership in 1986,
uh, about 3 months before the ordinance was changed, which no longer allowed detached structures and side yards. um, accessory structures, excuse me, and side yards, uh, so it's a nonconforming, it's a legal nonconforming use, but you can't expand a legal nonconforming use, and you can't go to a board of
adjustment to provide relief to expanded legal nonconforming use. You can't do that. So, so his only option, um, and we've discussed this extensively with him, and he, he would also have another variance on top of that, even if he could expand the legal nonconformer use because he wants to expand the garage further into the side yard. and it'll be encroaching into the
side yard setback, so we'd have to have a request of variance for that, which that variance he could get um if he, if the board of adjustment found it, you know, justified. um, so it we believe his only solution now to pursue what he'd like to do legally would be, uh, for
the council to change the zoning. We've had requests in the past for certain uses in the side yard, like pools or pool enclosures is one thing. Buildings in the side yard is not something that we typically get a lot of requests for. The council back in 1986 felt
purposely they wanted to avoid doing that. They, they wrote it out of the ordinance, uh, not to say that this council is bound by that, but I can't swear to you that there's a lot of ground swell for us to change the ordinance for that. Now, if counsel tells us
differently, we'll consider that, but that's not what we've heard so far except for Mr. Harris obviously in his situation. OK. Thank you. OK, Mr. That, that's all I have. Any questions for Mr. I do have one question. Yes, Council
member Fernandez, um, regarding the about potential for another city event that would take part. It would take place in the downtown area that open space is that something um that you
think that we would have the ability like we're, we're going, we've already expended all the funds for the centennial celebration, but is that something that would be possible based on our, I mean, I'm always looking for ways to
increase activity at that space, but is that something it would be possible for us based on the lease agreements of the current businesses that something could be put there if and with the centennial committee be able to
even be still in existence. based on their time frame of existence to plan something that would probably go past. January 2026. or into OK, alright, so I, I think you've actually, let's see, I say you, excuse me, the city attorney, I
believe, has looked at restrictions, and I believe we could do a a type of a festival or some sort of public activity on the space, like on a temporary basis. Is that. Right. Yeah, I didn't see anything out there that would prevent it yet. I mean, I've looked at, there was uh some leases out there,
the REOA and I don't think that they restrict our use of it. OK, so putting that aside then. I don't know if the Centennial Committee would be the appropriate body if you're talking about beyond the end of this year to, to, to do that. I mean, if, if the council wishes
us to pursue some sort of a special event or something like that, I can gladly have the conversation with the leisure services department. um, and we can, and there may be members of the symptom committee that may want to participate in something like that. We can, we can look at that and, uh. you know, if that's something the
counsel would like us to pursue, we can figure out how we would budget for something like that, um there may be dollars already programmed that perhaps we could shift from things uh to different things. We don't, I don't know without having a conversation with, with the staff, but I can come back to you if that's the wish of
counseled and, and pursue that. I mean, I, I, this is what I know from many years of event planning. I think it's physically impossible right now to plan an event in that space that would happen before the
end of before December 31st and knowing that we have fall festival as one big city event and then we've got Winter Wonderland as another big city event. I just don't. I don't think the Centennial Committee themselves would be able to
have an event planned to orchestrate that prior to 12:31 and then that would push them into the 2026, which I did, I don't think that they're um. organization they're their mandate was to exist past that
but so I just, I just wanted to ask about that um but I mean I would certainly be interested in anything the city might be able to do with an activity or even another group that wants
to plan an event that you know, however, we can help facilitate that activity that that space being activated you know. I, I would be happy if anybody has
any ideas, basically, but I, I didn't think that the Centennial group. could move past 2020 where basically the end of the year. So that's just a question that that's it. Well,
well, we can look at some of that and at least I'll have a conversation with the staff and see if there's no traction on that. That's, that's all right with the rest of them. Well, I, uh, sure, except we've already asked him and this question answered 3 times. Mr. Langold
gave a presentation on why he didn't think it was feasible or not feasible, not. beneficial advantageous to use that property for gatherings because it's been brought up 3 times before and he talked about, I can't even remember the exact things. It was the porta
potties and the power and the generators, there's no power out there. There's no, I mean, he's already walked us through this because this came up. uh this is at least a 3rd or 4th time, so. I mean if we want you to go through the exercise again, I guess, but I, I, I
mean I was happy with, well, not happy, I was disappointed because it would have been a cool idea, but I don't I don't think the answer's gonna be any different. than it's been in the past, but it's up to council I'm not necessarily looking for an answer right now,
but just consideration. Think about it. Yeah OK. Yeah, I mean, it'd be cool to have something down there and we've always thought that. but we've been explained why it's not a good idea several times, so. Oh, I'm
sorry, Councilman Merrowitz. I think it depends on the scope of the event and also on how it's organized and arranged and depending on what you actually did in that space. It might require more or less time and planning and investment, and I've always come back to the idea of food trucks because
they have their own power source. They are very popular and they could use that space with relatively easy improvisation when it comes to electricity, I don't know. how I can really respond to that, but every time I walk past there, which is probably
multiple times a week I see electrical outlets at that location lining the side of the property. and so I find it a little. difficult to believe that there is no electricity out there, but even if there were not, because food trucks operate uh without being a
source of electricity, it would not be an issue. When it comes to the porta potties, I know I'm starting to repeat myself because I've said this so many times in this room when it comes to the porta potties, I imagine it is easy to make an arrangement with the businesses in the area because they also have an interest in bringing in
large numbers of people, and so it's quite possible that they will be perfectly happy to allow people to use the bathrooms for one, I know that Starbucks. has a corporate policy of not denying bathroom use to anyone. So in a worst case scenario, everyone at this
event can go to the Starbucks, but I'm obviously not seriously encouraging that just for the record. Now, when it comes to the other point, which is, I think the overarching strategic direction that we're going with the centennial year, even though it's very late in it.
and perhaps I should have more aggressively tried to steer this earlier in my term. We will complete this year without having a single event in downtown. And so I think that sends a really awful message about downtown, and it's not what people here expect. They
want downtown to succeed. I think we should have had some kind of an event in downtown. I've brought it up repeatedly. It never gained any traction here, unfortunately. I have tried. I have really, really tried, but everything, every time I bring it up, it's no for a million different reasons,
none of which really make any sense to me as someone who has done events before. Um, I've, I've organized conferences in Germany where I've had people coming from multiple countries, and we put it all together in a matter of weeks. It can be done,
even if it's necessary, perhaps to hire outside expertise. I think it would be fine, and I think that we can find food trucks and we might even make money on it. That's the thing. Food trucks might pay us if we organize it properly to be in that space and sell their food
to people if we advertise it. So I really think it just depends on looking at it from a fresh perspective, trying something a little bit different from what we might have already done. and just approaching it with more of a minimalist attitude You don't
have to have a ton of signs and a bunch of other stuff to have a good time. You can have a good time with very few things. and it can be great. but you have to try I yield the floor
All right, counsel, we want to go home. What do you want to do here? Do we want another event in the downtown? Do we want to task them with this or not, so we, we gotta get out of here. I would like an event in the downtown, but I don't necessarily expect that it could be done befo before 12:31.
So where does that tell us what you want. That doesn't tell us what you want. I love the food truck idea. but I don't, I mean, I, I'm, I don't wanna task staff or the centennial committee just me saying let's
do this, but I think that we do need to do something in that area. OK, you can't do it without tasking somebody to do this. I, I mean on my own. Ire an outside firm. Let's appropriate some money from the TIF funds to get a consultant to do this. If we don't have
the resources internally have someone outside, organize a small food truck event, I guarantee you there are companies that organize food truck events. There are probably 500 of them in Hillsboro County. Hire one of them, have some food trucks, have a good time. Are we really going to give directions. to go
out and find a consultant company to come in and plan a public event for a, I mean, really? this is where we are Yes, nothing can be done I think staff has heard this, and they can. see manager already
said they're gonna talk to the staff and lease services. Let's see what they come up with. OK. OK. These are surfaces, if I may, at least your services have been planning stuff for next year all along and they're just not starting it now. I know. I'm just cautious about giving him another. Well, I know, that's my point, my point
they get they can do, they can do it. If they can't, they can't, you know, it's there's only so much you can do. Well, OK, is that good, Mr. B, you can talk to I would like to make a motion that we ask leisure services staff to think about having a downtown event
before then. Was that a motion? I didn't we don't need a motion to give work. Oh wow, that's exciting. Now we don't need rules. Oh my gosh, make it stop, please, Mr. B, are you done? Good, city manager, city attorney's report. actually
have two things really quick. Uh, first, um back in 2023, uh, the city was having some issues with the fountain shops with some reoccurring code violations. um, on that property, there was trash, debris, and the plaza and the parking, there was dumpster
areas filled with trash. There was a trash compactor. There was an operable. The irrigation was inoperable. The substant there was substandard landscape materials, dead palm trees, and other vegetation. Um, no uh no, uh, fire alarm. Uh, these cases
were taken to the Code Enforcement board. The orders were entered, fines were imposed and it became apparent after a period of time that the code board process wasn't working, so we took the, uh, the fountain shops to court to
try and correct those violations. That was successful, um, but in the meantime, we have the fines that had accrued until the point that all the violations got complied. Well, the Fountain shops are sold, and as a result, they paid off
the liens of $161,450. And second, um, I'd like to introduce formally to the city council, the deputy city attorney who has been with us for a coup for a month now. Uh, she keeps coming back, so I think that's a good sign. Um,
Nicole Darnell. Welcome. Good evening Anything else? That's Any other business? I'm sorry, I never did hear the name of the shops. There was a, the background noise was the fountains, OK, I'm sorry, your
old ears. Well, yeah, in the big, I forgot to mention that the fountain itself did not work either. OK Very good. Well there's no other business to come before the council. We will stand adjourned. in that
North today but it didn't? No.