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[music] Hey, [music] hey, ladies and gentlemen, uh welcome to the November 4th meeting of the Temple Terrace City Council. I'd like to call the meeting to order. Uh, if I could please remind everybody to silence your electronic devices. And I'm triple
checking mine to make sure mine doesn't go off. So, um, if you would please stand and join me in the prayer and the pledge of allegiance. Lord, we ask you to bless our meeting tonight. Grant us wisdom and patience as we work to advance the common good of
all in our city. We pray especially tonight for those affected by Hurricane Melissa. May they feel your comfort and support as they recover and rebuild. We pray also for those impacted by the government shutdown, especially those in need of vital support for basic needs.
Help our government leaders to find a pathway soon to restoring vital services. Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, one nation for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. So, for those of you who don't often join us, we have a tradition here at Temple Terrace whereby we begin the meeting with a interesting or historical fact concerning our city or the region. uh we rotate that duty and
tonight it falls on Vice Mayor Schistler, but Vice Mayor Schistler has passed the buck to uh one of our firefighters um who has been here before and done a terrific job and told us some of the history of the fire department and I'm I'm told today is like the point
2 version, right? Is that okay? So um firefighter Hassi, thank you for being here with us. Thank you. >> Yep. uh firefighter Alec Cassie. I'm presenting the historic fact today. Uh so tonight we're looking at uh 1975 to
2000. So that that a uh range for the fire department and then we have a presentation in front of you. So in 1976 the department purchased this Ward Lef France pumper truck for $47,000.
Uh it it this was when we had the first fire station at 104 Bullard Parkway. It was too big to actually fit in the station. So they kept it at the public works garage and then they would use it as needed. So if they got a big fire,
they would actually drive a truck to the garage, pick up this truck and then go to the fire. So a little bit different than what we do today. Uh we're much more efficient than that now. [clears throat] point it that way.
>> Thank you. >> All right. So, um in 1977, ground was broken for a new headquarters uh due to what I was just telling you about that ward of France. they they recognized that they needed a bigger station to house some of these modern fire apparatus which were getting much bigger
than what they had seen in the past. So, uh, fire station one, they broke ground. Um, and here you see our fire chiefs in this picture and a few of the uh the firefighters at the time.
[snorts] So, here [clears throat] they are. This is actually if any of you guys have been in station one, these are the uh stairs leading leading up to the bunk rooms and the the common areas of the fire station. That's actually the fire pole they're putting the padding on. So when we slide down the pole, that's still there today. When we slide down,
that's what we're landing on. And then that was uh when station one was complete. Um it was built for $571,000 back in 1978. So, uh, stations today also a lot more expensive than they were
back then. Uh, at the these are some of the the apparatus inside the station. Uh, again, if [clears throat] you guys have been in station one, you you might recognize that some of those walls have changed a little bit. Uh, the inside of the station actually used to be opened up.
So, when the trucks were pulling into the bay, some of those exhaust uh gases were actually going up into the the common area of the station. So that's been walled off now. They kind of learned over the years that that cancer is is pretty bad for us firefighters. So
and for everyone for that matter. But uh and this is the ladder truck that they had also bought at the time. So so same year that they built the fire station, they bought this 1978 uh American Lef France uh and it had a 75 foot uh stick on it. So this greatly uh
impacted the fire department because it allowed us to get into places that we never could before. We never had a aerial apparatus before. And that uh truck also cost $135,000. Uh here is the fire chief and a couple of the other firefighters actually
testing it for the first time. So they went out and and uh raised the aerial and flowed water from it. Uh so if you know a lot about Temple Terra's history, you've you know about the uh bat tower fire in 1979. They actually got photographs of them putting
[clears throat] the fire out. So, this is one of those photos. In [clears throat and snorts] the early 1980s, uh you know, we we progressed quite a bit, but we had uh some growing pains as well. Uh after prolonged contract, uh
disputes, our original union, local 2160, uh deunized. uh they found that they uh they were not getting as good a wages as some of the other folks who weren't in the union. So they actually decided to to disband the union and uh
they went without it for several years. [cough and clears throat] This is also um 1982. This is the library fire. Uh so right next door to station one we have the library at uh
202 Bullard Parkway. So, at 2 am, uh, they had a fire there and, uh, the crews were able to get there and they had the fire under control within 45 minutes. Uh, but they did, uh, they said there was $200,000 in damages to the library at the time.
[clears throat] In 1986, uh, we took delivery of a Spartan FMC pumper. This was capable of 1,250 gallons per minute. Um, and that same year we dedicated fire
station 2, which was made possible through a partnership with GTE Collier, uh, whom donated 3 acres of land to the city, as well as $400,000 towards the construction of the fire station.
These are some photos of the inside. [clears throat] Uh, what I think is interesting about this article is it talks about, "Forget fire engine red, the interior walls of the new Temple Terrace Fire Station were painted in shades of plum, teal, and bright yellow."
Very 1980s. By the [clears throat] late 80s, the department expanded its support fleet with uh two econoline club wagons, which we purchased for uh from Hillsboro County for transport and onseene operations. Uh, and by 1989, we started
implementing them as BLS units. So, we weren't doing ALS uh quite yet in the city, but this was a way to get uh our BLS responders to the scene quickly and start rendering aid to uh patients on car accidents and stuff like that.
In 1990 or in the 1990s, uh we it was marked with rapid evolution for the fire department. And in 1990, the city began exploring ALS services. So advanced life support services uh [clears throat] which was preparing us to do paramedic level care to residents.
[snorts] In 1991 we purchased an emergency one pumper which featured modern upgrades like rear cab doors. Up until this point the firefighters who were in the back of the apparatus did not have doors to actually keep them in place. So it was just what was called an
open cab. You could fall right out of it. So, uh, in 1995, uh, we purchased this, I'm sorry, 1991 as well, we purchased this F350, which was also, uh, the first ALS unit. So,
this, uh, this is what got us into ALS transport in Temple Terrace. In 1995, uh, the union reorganized under the name local 3582 with Dean Menddees serving as the first president.
And then the same year, Chief Ernie Hires was appointed as the fire chief. Marking the beginning of a transformative leadership [clears throat] era. uh he helped implement paramedic service uh leading to the department uh being recognized as an advanced uh life support agency and
uh later guided TTFD to uh accreditation. In 1998, we purchased a Dodge Ram 3500 brush truck uh to replace a 1960s brush truck that the firefighters had actually built themselves. [clears throat]
[snorts] And by 1999, modern uh modernization continued with the arrival of this Pierce Quantum 75- ft aerial pumped 1750 gallons per minute and had a 500galon water tank. It cost $67,000.
[clears throat] Uh the new millennium began with a significant mutual aid response in 2000. This is where uh Temple Terrace assisted Tampa Fire Rescue during the historic Eore City fire. Uh this was a six alarm inferno that drew over 150 firefighters
from three different counties. Uh Temple Terrace Ladder 21 and Fire Chief Ernie Hires were assigned to protect the post office uh during this this massive blaze. So that same year uh we purchased another Pierce Quantum pumper um and we
also purchased a Freight Liner type one ambulance. So you'll see here over these last couple of photos, this is when we started to uh do a white and red color scheme. So that didn't get changed until pretty recently. I think 2009, but we we kept the white trucks for a while.
[snorts] [clears throat] 2000 as well, we uh started hosting our major openhouse event. We landed [clears throat] this lifelight helicopter there and this has now become a tradition for our open houses.
That's all I have for you. U I do just want to take a moment to recognize that from 1975 to 2000, our department has come great leaps and bounds. We went from having one station that was actually a police and fire station, never really intended to be a sole fire
station to now having a station that we still have today on Bullard. We have station two in telecom and we have all these modern trucks and we started doing ALS service. I mean this was a very transformative 25 years for our
department. So >> thank you. >> Thanks for letting me speak. [applause] >> Thank you very much. >> I do have one comment. Thank you, Alec. That's very very good information on uh the 571,000 it cost to build the fire station back then would now be in
today's dollars be 3.4 million. So just inflation and the val the time value. So, thank you very much. >> Thank you. Very good. That was pretty good. [clears throat] So, next up we have the employee of the month. Um, if
David Cano would please approach the Good evening, sir. [clears throat] So, you guys have heard me talk a lot about employees of the month uh recently and employee of the year last uh at our last meeting. So this is a really high
honor um to get this [clears throat] particularly because these employees of the month are chosen by a committee of employees. So it's actually employees choosing the employees um and and we have a pretty high bar of employees in Temple Terrace. So to get recognized as
employee of the month among all these departments is pretty outstanding. And so um a little information about David. Uh David Quantero is being recognized as the employee of the month for September. Uh David's gone above and beyond his role, consistently demonstrating dedication, teamwork, and technical
expertise that make him an invaluable member of the city's IT department. His quick response and willingness to help have earned him the trust and appreciation of employees across all departments, especially fire, police, and public safety communications.
David played a vital role in implementing the new Pro Phoenix CAD system. computer AED dispatch, ensuring a smooth transition for our public safety team. When the project went live, he stepped up to manage the process on his own during a critical period, making
sure that officers and firefighters had the technology they needed to serve the community without interruption. Since then, David has continued to improve systems and services throughout the city. He introduced a new IT help desk system that streamlines support requests and improved response times.
Enhanced security through multifactor authentication on police devices and automated portions of the employee onboarding process, helping new staff get set up more efficiently. In addition to his technical achievements, David has also completed leadership courses and will continue advanced training in 2026
as he prepares for greater responsibilities as second in command within the department. His commitment to growth both personal and professionally respects his dedication to serving the city and his colleagues at the highest level. With his professionalism, dependability, and can do attitude,
David truly embodies a spirit of teamwork and service that keeps our city running strong. We are proud to recognize David Quintterra as the employee of the month for Temple Terrace for September 2025. Would you like to say a few words? >> No. >> No. [laughter]
Thank you, Sally, for your help and support. >> Well, we uh we really do appreciate all you do. I know we those of us who who don't work in the building all the time, we see you kind of screwing around, um fixing stuff kind of behind the scenes. And so, uh all we know is when we need
something that everything works. And so, thank thank you to you, David, and to Sally, and your whole team for that. And so, congratulations [applause] This is not working. >> You got to get on that side. I've done this a 100 times. I know.
>> One, two, three. One, two, three. >> Thank you. [applause] >> [snorts] >> Next up, I'll have uh if I could ask Carl Langfeld and Greg Pauly to approach the podium. This is our leisure services director and our community development director.
Um, thank you gentlemen and and I'll let you tell the group about this, but in fact, go ahead. You tell them. >> I'll tell them. >> You tell them. >> Thank you. Good evening, mayor, members of city council. Carl Lang, leisure service director. Uh earlier this month,
well earlier this year, uh the city embarked on a project to uh start the planning of a new park um to be known as Riverside Park, which will expand the existing Riverside Park to the vacant parcel uh to the east and also around
the Springdale Pond area. Uh we engaged with an engineering firm um Hal Engineering uh to do the design and engineering work for this for this job. Uh each year the Hillsboro County Planning Commission uh awards projects
for excellence in design and in planning that take place throughout uh the region. Uh the Riverside Park plan uh received an award of excellence for planning. Um we understand that this is a a plan in progress um and it is still
progressing to this day. Um but the planning commission did recognize the excellence uh that we are bringing forward for the future of this area and we were recognized with this award at an awards banquet uh last Monday. >> Very good. Thank you. Mr. Paulie, anything to add?
>> No, I would just like to uh thank [clears throat] the council for acknowledging this uh award and thank Mr. Langfeld for all of the hard work that he and his team uh put into leading this process. >> Very good. Thank you very much to both of you. Good job. So, more to come.
[applause] >> Okay. Uh, next item of business is approval of the minutes from our October 21st city council meeting. Is there a motion? >> Move to approve. >> Second. >> Any discussion or corrections to the minutes? C. >> I have a correction. Yes. Sorry. Well, that was going to be my question is that
we have an item on the agenda later where a council member has is concerned that maybe the minutes don't reflect exactly what they thought happened in the meeting. So, I don't know how we could vote on this now if we have an
agenda item addressing the minutes or um talking about the minutes later in the meeting. So, that's my question. >> Council member Kitz. Yeah, I do have two corrections to the minutes. Um, and uh I conferred with the video recording of
the last meeting just to make sure that I was correct about this. And uh there is a motion missing from the minutes that was properly made while I had the floor. Um I quote verbatim I would like to make a motion that we ask leisure
services staff to think about having a downtown event before the end of the year. There was no other motion at the time on the floor. So this is not reflected in the minute uh in the minutes. This was a time stamp two hours 37 minutes and 10 seconds. The response I got was not as would have been proper
for the chair to acknowledge the motion and ask for a second but rather um Gil Shizzler said it doesn't matter and um the chair said we don't need a motion. So the motion was not given an opportunity to be seconded but it should
certainly still appear in the minutes. And the other item that I would like to correct and I just have to find it briefly. Um there is a missing vote. So because we rushed through public comment and didn't properly close public comment and there
were still people in the audience who were intending to speak and wish to be recognized to do so. um we proceeded too quickly into the consent agenda and a vote was taken on the consent agenda and I did not voice my vote. The process
for voting in this case is um viva voke which means live voice and if no vote is expressed verbally either yay or nay then there is no vote cast. The minutes, however, improperly record that it was a 50-0 vote in favor of the cons consent
agenda. Regardless of how I would have voted on the consent agenda, and it probably was a yes, it still stands that no time was taken to properly record the votes. I was not given an opportunity to vote, and I did not in fact vote on that because we had rushed through public
comment. And in fact, that's proven by the video because you'll see that after the consent agenda, people are still coming up to give public comment. So, in my mind, it was perfectly reasonable, especially because no one had asked for the question properly, that we were
still in public comment. And it was so quick that no one had an opportunity to realize our public comment had closed as many of the people in the audience were quite surprised. So, those are the two corrections that I would like to see in the minutes. And since we have a motion
on the floor that we're discussing, I would like to humbly suggest that that motion be retracted so that these corrections can be made because [clears throat] they are in fact >> nobody's motion. >> Sorry, >> nobody made a motion. >> I I heard that there was a properly seconded motion to approve the minutes. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. >> If we have that motion on the floor, that's what we're discussing. I will be compelled to vote no on the minutes if these corrections are not made because they do not in fact reflect what happened on that day and they are not true. So,
>> got to pull second first, don't you? H >> pull the second first, don't we? To amend it. >> No, you can amend it. It can be rescended. >> Okay. Um, I'd be willing to amend it for the for the uh missed motion if that's how we
want to classify it. But uh and according to our rules, a nonvote is a yay vote. >> That's not >> according to number 12. Rule number 12. Uh an inaudible vote is considered a a yes vote. >> Which rule is that? >> Pardon me. >> Which rule are you citing? >> 12.
>> Can you have a look? I don't believe that's the case. So I'm happy to have a peek. So let's look at rule six. And also a vote that is not ina an inaudible vote is not the same as someone not speaking. inaudible would be
that I voted, but it was mumbly or too quiet to hear. Whereas in this case, I did not in fact cast a vote. And that is in fact what this says. An inaudible vote shall be considered a favorable vote. My vote was not cast. It was not audible or
inaudible. I was not saying or opening my mouth or doing anything at the time because I was expecting someone to stand up for public comment. So again, it is not a 5-0 vote for the consent agenda. It is a four- zero vote. If you want it to be a five-0 vote, you have to give me
an opportunity to vote. >> Mr. Mueller, [clears throat] as far as the minutes uh approving of the minutes right now, I believe one of the options you could do is table the approval of the minutes until the uh protest is
addressed under uh council business or we can address it all at this time. with with respect right now this is a minutes correction the protest thing I don't know why that's on the agenda but that's a separate topic this is right now correcting the minutes
to reflect what actually happened in the meeting >> correct seems that >> the protest that's on the agenda that that you did >> is on the agenda at council business if you want to take that up at that time I would recommend you table the approval
of the minutes until after that has been addressed Right now, my only concern is that the minutes do not reflect what happened in the video recording of the meeting and that they are therefore not accurate and
true. My protest addressed some of the procedural discrepancies that the chair engaged in during that meeting. That is a separate topic from what the factual record is of that meeting. So, I have a timestamp that I've cited. If someone
would like, I'm happy to play that timestamp so people can see that I'm telling the truth. I could go on YouTube right now and I could pull it and then everyone here will see that the things that I'm saying are true. As far as I also watched the video and
with regard to your vote or lack of a vote on the minute, I'm sorry, on the consent agenda, it was an inaudible vote. You did not, it looks as though you did not vote and it would normally be considered according to rule 12 a yes vote.
But it seems that you're trying to tie this in to to your protest and it would probably be better addressed then. Otherwise, >> definitely not. First of all, let me just address that point. I didn't put the protest on the agenda. I don't know who did. I don't think it should be on
the agenda. The other three protests that I filed never made it onto the agenda. So, I'm very suspicious as to why this protest suddenly appears on the agenda, even though I didn't put it there and we didn't vote to put it on the agenda. So, why is that even on the agenda? So, we're getting a little off
topic now, but just to the point here, we're voting on approving the minutes. That vote depends on whether the minutes are true about what happened in that meeting. That's the only thing that I'm addressing right now. To your point about whether I was um making an
inaudible vote or whatever that may be, um let me just point out the chair never asks for the question properly. You're supposed to say, "Are the members ready for the question?" And then you proceed to a vote where you give people an opportunity to say I or nay. Now, in
this case, the accelerated rushing through public comment meant that people did not have a proper opportunity to vote because the procedure was not followed. So when you say that my vote was
inaudible, if I'm focused on public comment and everyone else has moved on to the consent agenda because let's just say um that's where the direction wanted to go from the momentum uh of the rest of the
uh table up here. Um then the issue is that the people who are still focused on expecting [clears throat] someone to stand up and speak and make a public comment are not going to be aware that there's already a vote going on for the consent agenda because the proper
question was not asked for. So this is the issue and when I don't speak it cannot be an inaudible vote. An inaudible vote is like no, yes, whatever. I have to be moving my lips in order for it to be audible or inaudible.
And lack of an action is not consent in this situation under Robert's rules of order or under the cons or under the council rule that uh Mr. Schiser just quoted because for something to be inaudible, it has to be actually spoken. If I'm not saying anything to you, it's
not inaudible. I'm just not speaking. There's a big difference there logically, philosophically, and in every other way. So that is my point. At this point, again, my I I watched the video. I saw that four people voted on
it. One person apparently didn't. It's still my opinion that it was an inaudible vote and it would be a 5-0 vote. [clears throat] >> I'd like the record to reflect that four people voted as you just admitted.
And the legal interpretation of that, if you want to record it as a 50- vote, at least let the record reflect that I was not given an opportunity to vote yes or no, because that is true. And everyone here acknowledges four people voted. And it's a problem when
that kind of thing happens. And for that reason, it's important to keep in the record. I'm not asking for a legal interpretation to be put in. I'm asking for a factual statement to be put in there, which, as everyone up here has admitted, has happened on both points that I just raised.
and the minutes should be true and accurate and I yield the floor. >> Okay. So, council, I don't care what you do with the minutes. I really don't. If you want to reflect, I I council member Kravitz, I believe, is correct that he didn't vote. I don't think that's in disputum. I I don't I recalled that.
Couple things I want to clarify though on on because now I'm getting maligned here and I want to clarify some of this. [clears throat] Number one, I have forms for everybody who wants to speak. I've been in office nine years, folks. If this city really thinks that I'm trying to rush through public comment and not
talk to our constituents, I'd like to know where that wild accusation comes from. Right? Anybody who knows me in this city knows that. But right, I didn't see a comment from that gentleman. I apologize to him. We took his public comments immediately following the vote. There was a live
motion on the floor when he waved his hand that he wanted to talk. I wanted to dispose of the live motion before and then I brought him up immediately. So, did I make a mistake? Well, I don't think I did because I don't think I had a form from him. But, did he want to
speak? Apparently, he did. But in the meantime, there was a motion on the next item. So, um, also, like I said, I've been in office nine years. I serve on probably a dozen other boards. I don't think I've ever heard the chair ask the body, "Are you ready for the question?"
I if I I'm not a parliamentarian, right? Robert's rules is about this big. I'm not a parliamentarian. Is that supposed to be? Okay, we can if that's what you want me to do, I'll start doing it. But I've never heard that. Nobody at the county does that. Nobody at the
House of Representatives does. I mean, I don't ever hear that. So, could be I'm not a parliamentarian and maybe I'm learning something new. Um I'm I'm willing to grow if I need to grow, but that was not an intentional thing. The other item, um
there was a motion made that was out of order because the council had already given direction to staff when the coun when the motion was made. Now again, not being a parliamentarian and by that point having been like two hours through an excruciating meeting of getting
parsing out what color the carpet is, I was frustrated and the motion was out of order. I probably should have said the motion's out of order and I didn't say that. But you can't go make a motion to give direction to the staff that the council's already gave.
And you can't make this look like this is all your idea and then you email 800 people and tell them this is your idea. You made the motion to direct staff when the council had already given that direction. So I'm I am not interested if you want to put in the record. I don't
care guys. I mean we're spending 15 minutes to talk about the minutes. If you want to put in there that the motion was made and it was out of order, whatever you want to put. I don't care. I just want to get things done for the city instead of talking about what color the carpet is and having one council
member trying to get credit for everything this body does, which is what it was. We had already given that direction when the motion was made. The motion was out of order. I probably should have said the motion's out of order because we've already given that. I didn't do that. Um, and I'm sorry if
that makes me a failure as your mayor. I apologize, but um these meetings are frustrating when we have business to move forward and and I'm sorry. I am human and after hours of just mindless
trivial debate about everything, I get frustrated. So, I apologize. It looks like I had a hand in this in some regard. I'm sorry. Council, you want to amend the motion? You want to vote on it? I don't care what you do, Mr. Chair.
>> My turn. I I may be wrong. >> Well, it's a point of order. If it's a point of order, he takes precedence. >> It is uh it was stated that council had issued a direction to staff to do something by what legal mechanism that that did that occur if there was no motion as was just admitted? >> That's not a point of order. That's discussion. No, it's not. You are making
a legal assertion here that the council >> vice mayor, you recognize that's not a point of order. You're >> very much um I'm going to leave my motion stand as it is. Uh four of the five of us are paying attention to what was going on. Um, we weren't trying to grandstand. You know, I watched it too.
I watched it several times. Um, if if the gentleman somebody wanted to speak, the mayor as he said, "Okay, fine. We'll we'll come back to him. We'll do." And he was and he did and everything was taken care of. So, in my mind, uh, you chose not to vote and that's that's a
yes vote. And that's not the first time you've done that. You've done this in the past. So, um, and and we're we're we're bogged down in nonsense. We really, really are. >> So, my motion stands. >> What issue is all this going on about last year?
>> This is not public comment time, sir. >> I may be unless someone else. >> Are there others that need to be recognized? Council member Fernandez. >> Well, I mean, all I'm going to say is all I want is for the minutes to reflect what happened at the meeting. And I don't have any issue with changing the
minutes to say that the vote was 4. It passes at 4 versus 50. And if a council member is saying that they did not vote, I am going to a I am going to agree with the difference between not making any
sound versus inaudible because I do agree that inaudible means that you have spoken in some capacity but it's not >> I I would >> audible. So whatever but >> you but I mean he didn't vote. I that part is true. >> Well, it's true. He didn't vote but if
if we're if we're going to now define inaudible nothing is a non vote then we have to be careful with that going forward then. Okay, >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to respond to some of the points that have been made. >> Council member Kra, >> thank you very much. Uh, so first of all, no one's trying trying to take
credit here. I appreciate they're human. I'm not saying any of those things. This started off as a correction about what happened. I had the receipts. That's all it was. The reason why I didn't see or hear the consent agenda vote is because I was focused on the audience and the people who were trying to speak
that were not going to have an opportunity to speak if I didn't raise a point about it. And I did raise a point about it. And the only reason those people spoke in that meeting is because I did so otherwise they would not have stand up. No one was paying attention to them. I raised a point of order that there were still people in the audience who wish to speak. And that is why those
people were given an opportunity to speak their mind. They came all the way down here to city hall to speak for 3 minutes about issues that are important to them and we couldn't answer them. The the process for recognizing people, by the way, is not that they have to fill out a form and put it in. It's under
18D. The sh the chair shall recognize a citizen who wants to address the council. That's all it says. If they raise their hand, that's enough. And so, no one is here trying to take credit from anyone. No one is here trying to grandstand. All I want is for the rules to be applied fairly and equally and
consistently. And that has not happened in the last year that I've been up here. And it's very frustrating because for those of us who do read the rules, it's a little bit irritating to always have the rules bent and interpreted to my detriment in this case. And the example given earlier is the perfect one. It was
said that an instruction was given to staff to do something. And the only way that that happens if we make a vote up here to instruct staff to do that by a motion. Otherwise, anyone up here can just tell staff to do something. And
when I was having a nice conversation with the friendly lady from the Centennial Committee, the mayor stated that the lady should not take any instruction from me because she should wait for instruction from the council. And the way that happens is by a motion
and a vote. It is not sufficient to just say my motion was out of order because the mayor or whoever up here decided to issue an instruction to staff. That isn't how these things are run. We are all up here trying to do it together. So from my perspective, and I have to say
this very plainly, it's not me who's trying to take credit and assert authority or anything. It is you. And so it's very frustrating to see this because I'm trying to go through the proper process. And when I try to get things done, I have to follow the process. But when other people want to
get things done, they don't. And that is what we're seeing right here and it has been plainly openly admitted in this meeting. And it's it's it's incomprehensible to me. The citizens expect us to get things done up here. Not argue about the minutes, but I'm not the one arguing about minutes because
the minutes are wrong. I have the receipts. The city attorney has agreed with me that I didn't cast a vote and that the motion was properly made and not asked for a second at the end. So, I don't know why we're all still discussing it. Honestly, I don't know why. And if this motion passes without the correction to the minutes, the only
thing that I can assume is that it's because some sort of personal grudge is being held against me for some reason. But let me remind everyone what I'm saying is true and the minutes are wrong. >> So, we give direction to staff by head nod all the time. We always have. We go
down the day. I says, "You good with this? Is this what you want them to do?" We do that all the time. That's not new. That's not a change in rules. That's been the way we've done this here since I've been around. I don't know what happened before then. So, >> all right. We need to get updates. Senator, I'll pull my I'll modify the
motion to read 4 Z on the modify my motion for the the minutes for the consent agenda to read four to zero. Um, and for uh um I don't know about the the second motion on how to put that. What do we do with
how do we word that? I'm not sure how to word it. >> Yeah, I'm I guess Well, I Why don't you state again what it is you feel it should say? >> I'm happy to just phrase the motion if that would be easier. So it would be I
move to approve the minutes for the meeting on October 21st, 2025 with the adjustment that in the section regarding the consent agenda, the vote is recorded as 4 and not as 5-0 and that the motion
to instruct staff to think about hosting an event uh in the downtown Temple Terrace area by the end of the year uh was not uh taken up and asked for a Second. >> Perfect. >> Question. >> Right.
>> Don't. Let's all move on then. >> Motion. >> Well, he pulled the motion. So, >> okay. >> All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Nay. >> Okay. Public comment. I will go through the forms carefully.
If you wish to address the council, there are forms in the back of the room. Please fill one out and bring them to the city clerk to my left, your right. First person signed up to speak is Dwayne Zilnowski. Mr. Zelnowski,
welcome, sir. Please, please begin. Well, let me read this so I'm make sure that I do this. Request [snorts] to address the mayor and counselor in the back of the chambers. Please complete and give to the city clerk. Council agreed to a 30inut time limit for all public comment
to be continued at the end of the meeting if more time is needed. A threeminut time limit will be imposed on all comments from the public. We ask that speakers come to the podium and state their name and city of residents, city of residents. [snorts] During public comment on items not on the
agenda or on items on the consent agenda, the city manager and directors in attendance do make note of these items. Assure. We like to assure residents that all of your comments are taken seriously and will be followed up on. Everybody good with that? Need any
clarifications? We're >> okay. Mr. D, >> my name is Dwayne. >> Hang on. Hang on. >> You have a question? >> Fill out a form, but can I just raise my hand and come up when everyone's done? Is that okay? >> That's fine. >> Fill out a form. >> Oh, now I can do a
>> Yeah. No, you can fill out a form now. Sure. >> Mr. Zelnowski. >> Yes. My name is Dwayne Znowski from Temple Terrace and today I'm discussing um the current needs of St. Vincent Depal. St. Vincent Depal Temple Terrace has
been in helping the needs of city of Temple Terrace residents since the 70s. We receive donations. We deliver food to anyone within the zip codes of Temple
Terrace. We also support uh people in need of rent, people in need of uh issues with their electricity. Everything has gone down fine except of course now during our current issue. The biggest problem with the current issue
is we get our food from let's say other large banks of food that deliver food to us or we go get it. Well, since since the stoppage of food stamps and of wick, those other distribution points have
kept their food, leaving us with far less or they still give, but they give very little, which means we are short tremendously. We will fail in delivering food to the needs of temple terrorists because
there's a two-fold problem. The first problem is we're not getting the donations. We're not getting the food. And the needs of those that now are 5 days into not receiving their food stamps or wick or they got fired or they're working without pay still need
food. I come to this council humbly to ask for a grant. We are a nonpublic. Cities can give grants. We ask for a grant or at least um if you guys could hold um a food drive. If the city
implements a food drive, give it to us. The other food pantry that is listed on your website is uh the the um elementary school. Those are the two we'll be happy to share with them. But without it, without additional help and needs,
we will be turning people away. the people in temple terrace that right now will not some of them will not be receiving food from us and um that would be a shame
and um we are all here you know love is a verb love is actions and to love thy neighbor as thyself means that we need to help each other especially in these times is it forever no but right Now,
people need food and don't have the resources, no matter who is at fault. I'm asking for anything the city council could do. St. Vincent Paul has never come to you before. I do not believe
directly for [snorts] any help, but any help you could give in any fashion will help your fellow citizens. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. own card.
>> My phone number is 813 534 8333. I I'm a humble volunteer of St. Vincent Depal. St. Vincent Depal is run exclusively by Mr. Zelinski. >> I'm sorry. By by by uh volunteers,
nobody gets a paycheck. >> Mr. Lo Uh Charles Love, East Tampa, Terrace Park. Um tonight, first of all, I want to wish veterans happy Veterans Day and to keep warm because the co the weather forecast supposed to be pretty cold for
Veterans Day. The other thing I want to talk about before I talk about uh healthc care costs is the library schedule. the library schedule of events coming up. Uh the um book sale is going to be the 20 Thursday the 20th to the
22nd on Saturday and but also they're collecting electronic recycle stuff on November 14th and November 15th all day. Now I want to talk briefly about healthc care cost. Um the situation was my
neighbor kind of challenged me by saying what is the difference between uh what we used to donate when we were young to what the younger people donate today. Well, I told him there's two basic differences. Number one is the fact that it's disproportionately more it's more
of a burden that uh for several reasons. First of all, that uh of wellness programs take uh take disproportionate amount of people that do sick care in the health care industry, which leads the people that do health care into uh a
lot of medical malpractice. Number two, that uh there are fewer people putting into the system than are than there used to be in relation to people getting out of the system. And finally the s the health care system is run the Medicare
particularly is run uh as a health care in the perspective of the health care people as opposed to the perspective of the consumer meaning that's made as expensive as possible rather than as affordable as it should be. [snorts] The other point that he made to me was
uh that I made to him was that the younger people do not have uh the assurance that health care will be coming up when they get to be their age. So I brought so he made he made a point of me saying an assumption that um that
the young people will get their money back. I am not so sure of that. I think it's about time we ask this question. What is going to happen to the health care money the employers and the employees are do are being donated or
being taken from your paycheck if the health care system should belly up. Is it going to be something like chapter 7? Is it going to be something like FDIC or what? Our politicians need to answer this. I also wrote tonight is nine and a quarter years since I turned 65 and I've
not used the Medicare system once. I absolutely hate it. I have never seen another country in the world have as much problems as we have with health care costs. I wrote up two pages uh on the back of some of the complaints that I have about it and I don't even know that much about the system but anyway
it's on public record and if anybody wants to read I hope you do and finally I do support the last speaker and I hope you do donate food for him. Thank you. >> Thank you Mr. Lo Mr. PGor. Thank you. David Pero, city of Temple
Terrace. I'm here tonight to bring to your attention what appears, at least to me, to be kind of a disturbing trend. Let me let me give you an example. So, in various meetings, motions are made um which is nothing there's nothing wrong with making motions. That's what you do.
However, these motions, it's obvious once the motion is made that nobody on council other than the person making the motion has any interest in that motion. There's a long pause, longer than I have time to demonstrate. And just when you
think that motion has died, which it probably should have, someone seconds it. A 40 to 90 minute discussion then ensues about why nobody's interested in the motion. That probably should have died. So finally there's a vote and the
vote is against the motion many times with the person making the motion voting against the motion that was made. Um, aside from this being a colossal waste of time, it makes you, the council, look very unprofessional, which we know
you're not, and quite frankly, it makes our city look silly. Um, and lastly, I would remind you that it's not just me and other citizens watching you. There are other our neighboring jurisdictions watch you. Legislators watch you. And
just I would like you to just please keep that in mind as you conduct your your business. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chavez. >> Good evening. >> Hello. Uh Marggo Chavez, uh Temple
Terrace resident. Um I live on 313 Belleview Avenue. Um, and we deal with quite a few power outages that [clears throat] happen um, in during natural disasters like hurricanes, but
also on just random Wednesdays for no reason. Um and we a few neighbors uh and have been talking um on Ferncliffe, Belleview, and some of the neighboring streets
about um how we're hoping that the city can maybe advocate on behalf of of us south of Bullard um who seem to experience power outages maybe more frequently and for a longer period of time when they do happen. Um, we're
aware that Tiko bears responsibility in managing and maintaining the infrastructure. Um, but we also think the city may be able to do something to advocate on behalf of the residents to not only determine some of the root causes for
why we experience so many outages um but also the the impact and come up with a timely solution um to these sort of infrastructure issues. Um, I've noticed that you all
have spent a lot of the last few years um upgrading and improving infrastructure around um the city um engaging in really wonderful projects like the the park um and that this year especially after our hurricane season
last year you've been emphasizing disaster preparedness um and I think that looking at the infrastructure south of Bullard the power infrastructure um is a really important part of that disaster preparedness. Um last year we
had 14 days without power. Um we were one of the last ones to get power and the one of the schools is is on our streets um on the grid. So um please anything that you can do to advocate um
to Tiko to try to understand what's going on and how we can make some improvements would be appreciated. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Biz. Miss Turner, Miss Turner.
Good evening, council members. Thank you so much for your time today, for all that you do for the city of Temple Terrace residents. My name is Katie Turner and I'm a resident of Belleview Avenue. Miss Chavez is my neighbor. Um, and as she spoke similarly, I'm here to
ask for the city to advocate for uh power infrastructure for those living below south of Bull Bullard, particularly on St. Augustine, Ferncliffe, and Belleview. I've had the honor of living on both Ferncliffe and Belleview in my time in Temple Terrace,
and both streets unfortunately experienced similar power outages and delays. Um, as Miss Chavez mentioned, uh, last Wednesday there was a mild to moderate weather incident that occurred right around 5:00. We then didn't have power for 8 hours. And of course, these
these are very small problems in comparison to others. However, the frequency of the power outages can be very disruptive for us when it comes to work, school, maybe those who have medical issues at home. Um, and again during the hurricanes, we had a really
significant loss of power. So, we [clears throat] would so appreciate if the city could possibly advocate and speak to Tiko about perhaps looking at a study for a 24 to 36-month period to perhaps compare power outages for those living south of Bullard to those north of Bullard and then possibly some
explorator exploratory practices on what are the differences in the infrastructure and what could possibly be done to implement some improvements to our area. We're really proud to live in Temple Terrace. We've got a wonderful community of residents living in that those three streets. Um we speak to our
friends all the time about how much we love our community. So, anything we can continue to do to improve it, uh we would really appreciate your attention and your advocacy. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Turner. Miss Tan. [clears throat and cough]
>> Good evening. Good evening. I'm Susan Tan. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to bring my concerns forward this evening. I live in Temple Terrace, zip code 33617.
I'm here to ask for specific specific information on the Enigma Shopping Center that's been an ongoing project in the neighborhood for years. Um, it's of concern to myself and to the
neighbors. We're looking for a potential completion date. There's concern that maybe there isn't financing available that it can be completed because it has taken so long. We have an empty shopping center essentially
that is um in our town, our city that we think is not to our benefit. The second part of this is what is the plan for the businesses that will come
into this um shopping center. Usually when there's a shopping center going up, you hear news about what's coming to the future. There will be signs up. None of that has occurred. So, there are questions about the
financing, the completion date, and the plans for the space. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am. John Wilson, >> you got it. >> All right. >> You're the first. No. [laughter] Good
evening. >> Good evening. >> Thank you for having me. Um, and I'm glad to be here. And I've been here before and got something done and maybe we can get it done again. Uh along those lines of what Miss Tan had to say, there's talk of having and it was in the
Beacon and other discussions around town at the club and whatnot about a pickle ball complex that's going to come up. And if we can't put a shopping center together with financing, how in the
world are we going to put a pickup ball pickle ball facility together with goodness knows how much money that used to cost 300,000 and now will cost 3 million or what now maybe will be 3 million and when you guys get around to it 10 million. We can't afford these
mistakes, these problems, these delays. And that's what we are concerned about here in Temple Terrace. And it's been going on for years. And I'm not blaming it on this council. I'm not blaming it on this mayor. I'm not blaming it on our lawyer. I'm just saying that we need to understand that other places have filled
up all of their malls. Other places have shopping centers that are bustling. And we have an area down in south of Bullard. And it just seems like we're left behind. I don't understand it. Whether it comes to 56th Street, whether it comes to Bullard. Another issue is
trash. I see trash everywhere. And I've been calling people in our city, and they tell me, "Well, Bullard has three people, three different organizations, state, county, and city." Well, we live here. Okay. If the county and the state
aren't going to do anything about it, let us do something about it. Let's clean up our trash, people, and not just police the fact that it's happening, but make sure that we don't let it get out of control like we have. But I I think the excuse of being three different
partnerships, screw that, okay? Let's do it. Let's clean up Bullard. Bullard is a disaster with trash. If you've been anywhere near the library, you've been anywhere near CVS, you've been anywhere near Walgreens, Publix, that whole area
is so ugly with trash. And it reflects on our city. It reflects on ourselves. And I just think it's it's a terrible thing that's happening. But the first thing is is let's not spend money on a pickle ball place. You can go anywhere and do that. We got a rec center down here in Sly. There's a whole another
facility. I don't want to see that take 10 years and then be told it's never going to happen. Thank you. >> Yes, sir. Mr. Zimmerman. >> My name is Troy Zimmerman. I'm also a resident of Temple Terrace. And my concern is also about the entrance of
the city um on the south side. It seemed like it's like overgrown with vines. I'm not sure if it's DOT area or whatever, but I think we need to get in there and like clean that whole entire thing up. The sign on the side needs work. Um, that's really the only concern that I have right now.
>> Thank you, Mr. Vice Mayor. Would you go check double check and make sure I called everybody? Are there other members of the public who wish to speak at this time? Chief, is there anybody in the lobby? I call everybody who feels sure
everybody. Yes, sir. >> Okay. I'm going to close public comment unless somebody else wants to talk. Okay. Next item of business is the consent is the consent agenda. Is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? So move.
>> Second. Okay. >> I'm about to ask for a vote because it's a non-debatable motion. All those in favor say I. I. >> I. Opposed. No nays. The consent agenda is adopted. >> Next is a resolution approving school
support committee grants and our school support committee chair, Christina Paul, is here with us tonight to explain. Good evening, Miss Paul. >> Good evening, Mayor Ross and city council members. Uh my name is Christina Paul and I am the chair of the school
support committee. We are a group of volunteers that provide support to teachers for innovative classroom and schoolwide projects. These projects directly impact students from single classrooms to entire campuses and each
one helps meet an important need. The school support committee is inspired by our teachers who go above and beyond to find creative ways to support their students. Through these funds, we're proud to help make their idea a reality. For the 2025 2026 school year, the
school support committee was focused on strengthening how we've served our schools. We've developed a clear mission statement and established eligibility criteria to ensure our efforts are transparent. In addition, updating the instructions and the grant form for more
consistent process for both teachers and committee members. Uh, moving forward, we plan to create a step-by-step instruction for how our rubric is applied, as well as a procedural guide to support future volunteers.
Um, with that being said, the school support committee reviewed and rated 34 grant applications. Based on the rating, the school support committee is recommending that the city council award grant funding to 28 schools or 28 projects from 10 Temple
Terrace schools in the amount of $28,484.16. Um, thank you again for your continued support of our teachers, students, and the volunteers who make this possible. >> Thank you, Miss Paul. Are there members of the public who wish to speak on this item? Miss Paul, they might have some
questions. Don't go. Are there members of the public who wish to speak? Council member questions. Council member Fernandez. >> So I I have a a couple questions. Um the first is for the timing. So are you able
uh because the budget the new budget year doesn't start till October 1st. >> Correct. So are you able to find out um like immediately when we pass when we establish the budget and then you send you can send that out to the schools
once you know that there is a budget for this >> at the time? >> We we go ahead and we send it out and then if the budget um changes would were to change then we would just grade accordingly. >> Okay. And then as far as the number of
grants that you receive, I know it's different every year. Yes. But um >> would you be able to come back to council? And I don't know if this happened this year or not, but I guess my concern is I want to make sure that we have established a budget amount
that's a meaningful amount that does provide some u funding for good projects and things like that. But um I want to make sure that if if there were a lot of projects that were coming to you that the committee said there were so many
projects and we weren't able to fund them because this was the funding that was available to us. I was just want to make sure that you all would be able to come back to us and report to council sometime during this year because I want
to make sure that when we are establishing what's available if we're going to fund this u area or not that we're funding it appropriately. >> Okay. Um, we we did have to turn some away. Um, but
that was mainly because of the criteria that we used to judge. Um, they just didn't need that. >> Thank you, >> Council Member Kravitz. >> I just have a brief question and also uh I'm very happy to see the schools getting support. Um, this is a
communication I had from a constituent, so I'm going to pass it along to you as a question because she wanted to know the answer to this. Um, when we make a grant, in this instance to the library of I think an amount of $2,000, um, are we influencing the selection of
literature that the library will be able to to acquire with that money >> in a school library? >> Yes. >> Um, no. It just needs to be educational and meet the need that they're describing. >> Thank you. That's all I yield. >> Any other questions, council members? If
there are no other questions, is there a motion? >> Move to approve the uh selection of the school grants as presented. >> Second. >> Motion to second. Discussion of the motion comment on it. Thank you. Um, Miss Paul, I know what you guys go through for
this. I helped write these policies years ago and I just want to thank you and and and the the entire school support committee. It takes a lot of effort. I you could spend hours and hours and hours going through these >> by yourselves and then and then in
session. So I just want to thank you for all that you guys do for the for the schools and and it's it it does not go unnoticed. Let's put it that way. >> Council member Chambers. >> Thank you. As a liaison to this group, I can tell you how much how hard they work
and the the the last meeting they had to review the grants went almost three hours. and the items you addressed, uh, council member, uh, they've discussed that. So, they they do know that if there's, uh, if they need more money, they could come back. They know also
it's not a guarantee, but uh, those items have been discussed, but they work real hard. So, thank you very much to you and your group. >> Okay. Any other discussion of the motion? If not, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Opposed? No. Nazs. Resolution is
adopted. Thank you, Miss Paul. Next item is a resolution approving the implementation services and purchasing agreement with BSNA software for the implementation of an enterprise resource planning or ERP system. Our municipal
systems analyst Sarah Sanchez Borda is here to present. Good evening. Long time coming here. >> Good evening mayor. Good evening council members. Thank you for your time. Thank you for having me here.
Um uh I am here to present and to seek authorization to sign a contract with BSNA for the licenses and for the ERP implementation. ERP stands for enterprise resource planning specifically enterprise for the finance aspects of the organization
resource human resources and planning budget. So all this started when we tried to enhance our processes in the organization with the current system that we have which is central square and we were unsuccessful.
So in fiscal year 2025 from capital improvement budget there was an allocation of $2 million for the ERP modernization. The contract with BSNA came to a total of $424,962 and there were needs that were identified during this process and that
we are going to use the remaining funds to implement those needs that were identified in different areas such as human resources systems, planning review tools and code compliance software.
So this was a process that took from input from all different departments. So we formed some work groups from all different departments and we conduct some interviews to analyze how is the process related with the systems and to identify the business needs that each
department has that help us to develop a requirement list which then we in implement that requirement list into the RFP that was released. Uh also during the interview process we came up with the
selection committee that was from from different departments and that committee was the one that participate in evaluating the proposals and in the demo phase. The RFP was released in April 17 2025. We received 11 proposals. We received
them by May 23, 2025. Then we score the proposals in different aspects. But the three aspects that I would like to mention are the requirement list that I just mentioned previously, the implementation, the implementation and data conversion
support that we get from the vendors and the community evaluate these vendors. So we got the scores that are showing in the presentation. The three highest scores which is BSNA, Oracle and Edmunds. They moved to the demo phase
which was conducted online. We did some scripts that were provided to the vendor to make sure that all the functionalities of the systems were going to be presented to us and that way we could evaluate the systems in the same format. uh the one who scored the highest was
BSNA and BSNA moved to the discovery phase which was where we create the statement of work which is a very detailed document where we talk about the implementation process data conversion process and also the expectations that we have from the vendor and the vendor has from the city
the same as the responsibilities during this process this statement of work to three to three rounds of negotiations in those rounds of negotiations We agree uh to include the pilot phase was one of the biggest needs
that the city wanted to have and they were willing to accept that. So we are going to include a pilot phase which is going to allow us to test all of our processes in a sandbox with real data and then we can make sure that everything is ready prior to deploy
phase. Also we decide that we're going to roll out this to modules [cough and clears throat] rather than everything at once. So we're going to roll out this finance first and utility billing. I'm not saying that we're going to complete 100% one phase. We're just going to roll out in phases to make sure that we have stability
before we roll out the other one. And then the last thing that we agree with the vendor is to make sure that we have milestones with deliverables and that departments can sign off on them before we move to the next phase.
So BSNA was the one that covered the most or the best all the requirements that were listed in the RFP that included a fully integrated system that includes finance, community development and utility billing. Also they have a strong support when it comes down to
discovery phase to the implementation and data conversion and [snorts] they have experience with different municipalities. One key point for BSNA was they are open to integrate with other systems. So when we recognize that there is the need to
implement other systems in other areas, we have the access to create the the integration with the systems which we are going to create their own procurement process for the systems that I mentioned before in human resources planning review tool and code compliance.
And now I'm open for any questions. >> Thank you. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this? Council member questions. Council vice mayor. >> Yes. Um first of all um how many modifications
were going to be required to for the basic vanilla package in order to accommodate what we need? Are there many? >> No. We will like to keep it in a way that keep it as the box come and more we adapt the process to add the best
practice that are other municipalities can. >> Okay. Good. has >> um and how long do you think a conversion is going to take for work? Because I know what we've got is some really peacemeal stuff and I know they've kept it together with bailing wire and band-aids and and paper clips. So, how long do you expect the
conversion to take? >> The data conversion we're expecting to take three to five months >> and we are going to do multiple data conversions. >> And how many people you got helping you with this with this implementation? This is a big deal. I've I've seen these go bad and when they go bad they're hard to
recover from. That's all. >> So we have people involved from all different departments. So we have subject matter experts from all the different departments and we also have the directors who are involved in it and we have great support from IT and finance. So all of the departments are
putting some of it and me I am part of team and then we have some interns who are helping. >> So finance will go first. Finance will go first and utility billing will be very close too because utility billing will impact a lot the GL's. >> Okay. And then last is what's the plan
go live? Any any guess at this point? >> Yes, we are planning to go live in October 1st next year. >> Next year you give yourself plenty of time to do it the right way. That's that's I'm very very glad that we're getting this far. And I like the fact that the the additional modules are
going to be smoothly integrated. So that's going to be good. Good. You guys did a good job with this. Thank you. >> Questions? >> Yes. >> Council member Fernandez. >> So, I want to ask you uh about the cost
this uh is this the init ongoing annual cost or will the ongoing subscription be different? This is just the initial payment for getting started with the system. Yes, this is the initial payment
to start with the system. The ongoing payment will be $88,88,830. >> Okay. And then one of the issues that we have been struggling with is our document retention system which to to help
navigate all of the various documents that any department might need to provide to the public. How is this system going to help us with that uh area? >> So the system will allow us to do the
process more efficiency with more efficiency. Therefore, we are expecting that we can integrate with the document management system. So that's that's how it can impact that area. >> Okay. So I think this might be a
question for staff that because one of the things that we talked about during our planning was about how to improve our document management system for the city clerk's office but how that would integrate with the rest of the city. So,
will the city clerk's office need some kind of different software or will just going with this enterprise system in and of itself create the document management system that we need?
>> U mayor and council. >> Yeah. >> So, the uh it won't create the document management system. I think what what Sarah was trying to explain was that today our ERP system is is is very cumbersome. it's it's it doesn't work very well at all. And so it it takes an
inordinate amount of effort to get basic information. >> And so we feel that with this new system, we'll be able to get the the basic financial information, other other reports that are tied into the module she noted here with much much quicker. And that will allow for when we do have the the document management system in
place or either the current one improved or a new one that it'll tie in integrate better so that we can provide a quicker return when people ask for documents whether they be internal or external. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I got a couple questions Mr. Spora. So
there's a couple modules that aren't included here. You mentioned HR code compliance and plan. Is it permit review? >> We're included. Okay. >> Yeah. But is the planning review tool? Yes, >> planning review. Okay. So, um have we talked to the vendor about potential
ways? So, the do we are we comfortable that we're not going to go get something to do what we need done in HR that's not going to talk to BSNA? H how are we confident? Have we looked ahead at that to to make sure that
whatever we get for these modules for the departments that aren't covered under this will work or we I just want to make sure we're not building another system of the future that's what we have today. It's just we're buying a new one. Um so how how will that work?
>> So when we write the RFPs the request for proposal for the systems one of the list of the requirements will be that the new system will be able to integrate with BSNA. Since we already have the BSNA as an open application that can integrate, we just need to make sure that the other system that we go to
choose is able to talk back. >> Do we know that that exists? >> Yes, they're Yes, we have talked to BSNA a couple of times and we have actually asked BSNA to provide a list of vendors that they have worked in the past with it. >> Okay. >> With them. So yeah, we are we are
looking at options that they recommend and they still will meet the needs of the city. >> Okay. So we do know that exists. We don't Okay, that's that's what I wanted to know. Okay, other questions? If not, is there a motion? >> Move to approve the uh implementation
services and purchase agreement BSNA software for the implement for the implementation of an ERP system. >> Second >> motion and second. Is there discussion of the motion? >> If not, all those in favor say I. I. >> I
opposed. No nays. Resolutions adopted. Next item is a resolution approving the purchase of two Thunder Creek Fuel and lube trailers totaling $74,58348 from Florida Contracts Company utilizing General Services Administration contract
number GS-03F-113DA. And our public works director Jason Warrenfield is here to explain. Evening, mayor, members of council. The item before you this evening is a resolution authorizing the purchase of two Thunder Creek fuel and lube trailers for the city public works department.
These trailers will be utilized by the fleet and utilities division to support field operations, providing [clears throat] on-site fueling for city generators and other diesel-powered equipment. This capability will enhance efficiency, reduce equipment downtime, and support continued delivery of essential public services during both
blue and gray skies. These trailers are designed and rated to be operated without a CDL. These units will have a solder solar charging system for battery maintenance along with LED flood lights for safer nighttime operation. [clears throat] The purchase will be made through the
Florida Contract Company using the General Services Administration contract mentioned [snorts] in the um resolution, which ensures the city is receiving competitive and pre-negotiated pricing terms. The total cost for both trailers is 74,58348
funded. Funding for this purchase will come from the unassigned general fund balance. Staff recommends approval for this resolution authorizing the purchase and associated payment. And I stand for questions. >> Thank you, Mr. Warfelds. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item? Seeing none, council members, are there
questions? [snorts] >> I just have one. >> Council member Fernandez. Um, and this is just for the public's information, but can you confirm that this is an item that was part of the budget that we
passed to start October 1st? >> May I? >> So, actually, this was not part of the the budget. Uh if you recall during the budget workshop over the summer, council and staff had a discussion about certain items that were included in the uh
legislative approval and then the governor vetoed that approval. And so we had the conversation about, you know, let's [cough and clears throat] just go ahead and move and get these items and use unassigned fund balance to do that. We managed to get the sandbag machine uh in an expedited time frame. We didn't
get a chance to pull off the pull the trigger on the the fuel trailers until now. [clears throat] Um, so this is actually being funded with through unassigned fund balance which was was the original direction. Um, but just want to make that clear. It's not in the FY26 budget. >> Okay. No, thank you. I just wanted to
make sure. >> Other questions? Thank you, Mr. Warrenfields. Is there a motion? Move to approve resolution approving the purchase of two Thunder Creek Fuel and lube trailers totaling $74,58348
from Florida Contracts Company utilizing a General Services Administration contract number GS-03F-13DA to be paid for out of an assigned fund balance. >> Second. I think council member Kravitz had the
second. Is there discussion of the motion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Opposed? No. Nays. Um, next item. Council member Kravitz, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but was it your desire that this item be pulled from the
agenda? And if so, if you'd like to make a motion to that effect, it's up to you. >> U, yes. So, my mo my protest was filed pursued to rule 20. It's the fourth protest. This is the first protest that's ever made it onto the agenda and I don't know why it's there. The record is the record and by filing the protest
I put it in the record. I don't require any sort of discussion on it and we have a lot of other important issues. So I move to table this agenda item. >> Oh, just a clarification. What what do you mean by table? >> Table means it's gone.
It's it's removed indefinitely unless someone up here for whatever obscure reason wants to make a motion to take it up from the table at some later date, which I wouldn't recommend. >> Okay, there's a motion. >> Second >> discussion of the motion. >> I thought tableabling meant we bring it up again some other time.
>> That's if you do it to a definite date. >> Pardon me. >> If you do it to a definite date, that's true. >> We're going to do it definitely. Just remove it completely. >> That is what I'm proposing. If if I say I table it for the next meeting or I table it six months from now, then it comes back. If you just table it, it's gone. You have to take it up from the
table, which requires a motion. >> Okay, >> Mr. Mueller. [clears throat] >> Well, it Yeah, it can sit on that table forever and then you not be pull, you know, someone would have to pull it off the table. >> Microphone. [snorts] >> Sorry, Brian.
>> There's no motion anyway. I don't know what we're discussing. So, okay. >> I'm just saying, you know, yeah, if it's tabled and it doesn't get pulled from the table, it'll just stay there. Um I mean, I don't know if you It sounds like what you're actually wishing to do is withdraw it, but >> I didn't put it on here. I can't
withdraw it. I don't even know who put it on here. I can't withdraw it. I didn't put it on there. I don't like this. I don't want it there anyway. So, get rid of it. Whoever put it on there, make the motion. >> City manager. So I I I'm the one that
put this on the agenda and I >> withdraw it then >> whatever process the council feels if we table it. My question would be does it mean that it appears on the agendas in perpetuity or do we not put it on future like >> I don't believe it'll it just gets
tabled and that's it. It comes off of the agenda. It won't be on future agendas. >> Whichever process council wishes to pursue it. It's I'm indifferent to. >> So I have a motion to table on the table. Would anyone like to second it? I did. I seconded it. >> Okay.
>> Did you have something, council member? >> Yeah. I I'm uncomfortable with the table word. I I I would like to see the word uh withdraw from that first. And if you don't want to do that, I can make the motion to withdraw it. I don't think whoever put it on there can. May I
>> city manager? >> Okay. Uh if it will help the discussion, I'm willing to remove it. Apparently, the city city attorneys saying that that's the appropriate thing. I can remove it from the agendas. >> Okay. >> Happy to do that. [laughter] [clears throat] >> Okay. Mr. Mueller, walk me through this
because we have a live motion and now we have a >> I'm happy to withdraw the motion if the person if the person who put this on the agenda is now going to withdraw it from the agenda. >> Okay. So, you're withdrawing the motion if >> it is withdrawn. Yeah. >> Okay. And you're going to remove it from the agenda.
>> Fantastic. >> And that's kosher, Mr. Mueller. I'm not seeing any issue with it. I mean, it's being taken off the agenda. That's what we're looking to do. Okay. So, let's remove it from the agenda. >> Okay. Very good. Thank you. Uh, new business and board reports. Is there any
new business to come before the council? Council member Fernandez. >> Um, well, I don't know if this is the right timing, but last night we had a discussion. uh we had a meeting where we discussed the results of the tree survey
and the report that the consultants are putting together about the management and etc. When when do when this is final and they bring this to us will the public have a chance to when
when will it be is really my question? If >> I could ask the Mr. probably to [clears throat] probably give you the more specific answer. >> Good evening, Mayor, City Council. Greg Pauly, director of community development. In response to the question
regarding the uh current tree work that's being conducted, uh it's my understanding that they have approximately four to six weeks of work remaining. um that they have to wrap up. And a good
portion of that is finishing the last details of um the canopy study as well as uh preparing the comprehensive maintenance plan for the urban forest. At that time, it will come to us in
draft form. uh we'll review it with staff to make sure that it satisfies all of the uh objectives of the uh predefined goals and then we will uh package that and bring that before council uh for final
acceptance. >> Okay. So probably it would come before council sometime at one of our January meetings >> most likely. >> Okay. And can I ask I know we advertise our our meetings and such, but sometimes
people don't always look at the agenda. So I know this seemed to be an issue that a lot of members of the community were very interested in. So, if there's a way to um just highlight the tree program that
we'll be discussing um if that's possible, >> if uh if the city manager will allow me, I'll be happy to work directly with our marketing team. They were extremely helpful in promoting the meeting that you mentioned from last evening and
[laughter] I'm sure that we would be able to reach out and get that same level of assistance uh for round two if you will. >> That's it. >> Other new business. Council member Chambers. >> Yes. Um a question first to the city
manager. Is anyone from uh your staff going to talk about Saturday night's event? Because I can. if they're not. [laughter] >> Okay. >> Okay. Remind everybody this weekend at uh Woodmont Park is the 52nd annual arts
festival. 10 to 4 uh each day. Uh on Saturday uh at 11:00 is the Veterans Day uh celebration. and uh for the uh centennial committee. It's in conjunction with the arts festival but
run by the city at 6:30 Saturday night is a concert on the first fairway. So right next to the art festival it's from 6:30 8:30 will be uh two bands playing. Uh Dan Moody band and I don't know I don't remember the other one but uh
they're they're both local bands. Uh so bring your uh lawn chair or blanket come out. Uh the food trucks from the art festival will stay there so you can have dinner at the food trucks and then listen [clears throat] to some nice music under the stars and that's uh Saturday. And then the Sunday concludes
the arts festival. >> Thank you. >> And if you guys don't know the Dan Moody band, he's a he's a he's a hoot. You're going to want to see that. He's a he's a really good guy. So Vice Mayor, >> I got two quick things and I don't know whether this appropriate time or not,
but um uh Mr. Bay, would it be possible to have uh given the the questions we had tonight regarding Enigma and the uh the upgrade, we have a CRA meeting on the 18th if I'm not mistaken. Will we possibly have an update on those?
>> I can give you an update this evening. >> Okay. Uh you'd be preparing. >> Okay, that's fine. Okay. And then the other um the other thing is and it's just a comment. Kudos to all the staff and leisure services for the the uh fall festival. It was it was packed. You guys
did a great job and everybody that that that participated uh through through the whole evening. Thank you. >> Any new business? >> Got a couple items. So, first of all, really appreciated the memo you sent around. Uh it was well structured, succinct, and very informative about the
short-term rentals. So, really appreciate that. Um it uh made me consider what we could do about this topic. We've heard a lot of people come in here and complain about rentals. It's a thorn in the side of many neighborhoods because of the burden that
they pose for traffic and also for noise in a residential area. Uh and I think we should do what we can to we obviously can't regulate them, but we know that there's a scope that we can use to address them and I think we
should use that scope. So, um, what I wanted to do is make a motion to start drafting an ordinance. And I'm I'm not making the motion yet. I'm just going to describe what goes in it because I'm taking the public comment to heart. I'm not just going to make motions. I'm
going to discuss them first. Uh, so let's see how that goes. Um, I think it would be great if we could define and classify short-term rentals uh as a distinct land use, i.e. as commercial, which they are. Uh, and I think that we should include
in that legislative draft that they should be assessed as commercial properties and that they should be treated as commercial properties for enforcement. So that would relate to both code enforcement and of course Temple Terrace Fire Department inspections.
Um, and I think that we should have a registration and permit framework for these short-term rentals. um so that they can comply with our building code, our fire prevention code standards um in a way that's consistent with the Florida
statute which uh our city attorney outlined. Um and I think that when we have a permit and registration framework, one of the really important things that we can then do is charge short-term rentals a fee for that registration.
And I think that would be important to do as well. So, I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts on that. >> Can I I'm sorry, >> city manager, >> just before we move too far along. >> So, as we've informed the council, we actually have an ordinance that's being drafted right now. I think council
member to address most of your issues. I can tell you the one the one piece that the assessment piece I think the West Fire District assess a fee um because they're a district that probably has the ability to assess a fee here. the notion of making them commercial property and that's a through the property appraiser
and that that so I don't think that that's currently contemplated in the draft ordinance we have but the ordinance should be coming to you uh probably by the first meeting of December is our goal to get it to you for your first reading >> okay excellent that's wonderful to hear [clears throat] that
>> we'll chime in real quick attorney >> few of the things you did suggest would probably get into the area of where we would be preempted so We'll have to be real careful on registration systems and and collection of any fees and anything
that looks like we're regulating them. Like I said, my memo talked about the building code and the fire code are definite ones we can go with. But I just want you to be wary that the things you're asking for may put us into the area that we're preempted on. So, we got to just be careful. As always, my
suggestions rely on the people who are doing the execution of the thing that we decide to consider all of those nuances and find the best path through whatever obstacles there may be. And obviously, it's not my uh position or prerogative
to know all of those or take them all into account. That's why there's a separation of powers in government. Uh so I appreciate that. But again, I trust all of you to go and find those problems and address them appropriately. and I look forward [snorts] to seeing the draft ordinance. It's going to be really exciting. I think it's going to be
important to a lot of people. Um, while I have the floor, I have one more item that I'd like to bring up. Um, regarding PAS, uh, I believe we, uh, had a memorandum that we were expecting. Um, let me just go ahead and find that
from the legal department. And I was wondering how far along we were on that. We passed a motion on that on, I believe, the 15th of July. I've obviously forgotten what that was. What >> I have the minutes here, so I'll just read it. Um, city uh council member
Kravitz would like to make a motion to direct the city attorney to provide a written memorandum on the state of the PAS litigation and the activities of the outside council that we've engaged on the water quality issue past 40. And I'm I'm I'm wondering if there's been any progress on reporting on the PAS litigation.
>> I believe I submitted that memorandum. >> Okay. So, where are we at with the litigation then? right now. Yeah, we are still in we're doing the testing >> for uh the which ones is it? Um do
>> we have the two right now that are going on? I forget which two they are that we're in settlement mode on the then there's the uh several other ones that are we have deadlines will be coming up in the next year or so. So we uh right
now we're in settlement mode on those. Um, I believe it's been the uh intent of council, I'm not sure, to move to uh litigation mode on those and I would just be filling out a new uh uh contract on that with outside council to go into
litigation mode if that's the way city council would like to move forward. >> Okay. And if if we get a substantive update, will that be shared? >> Yes, if there's something to update the and I believe there's you mean leg just on the legal [clears throat] aspect. Yeah, I'll certainly report back uh when we go into litigation mode on them.
>> Okay. Um remaining with the PAS topic briefly. Um uh city manager, appreciate the estimate that was provided for connection to Hillsboro County between 25.7 and 35.8 million. Um I noted that that was Hillsboro County and not City of Tampa water. So I had a question on
that. Hillsboro County, as far as I'm aware, doesn't have a filter solution like city of Tampa does. >> Yeah. Yeah. city manager. >> So the the um city of Tampa doesn't have a filtration solution yet either. They're working City of Tampa's working on a filtration solution. They've
estimated it last time we talked to them that was going to be about 200 million and they'd probably be hardressed to meet the 2031 date. They're trying to meet that date just like we're trying to meet that date. Uh Hillsboro County buys their water from Tampa Bay Water and Tampa Bay Water is also trying to get a
filtration system to meet the uh the EPA regulations for 2031. So the notion the notion about trying to look at these regional systems would be rather than all of us trying to get our own filtration systems, could we just partner in essence and buy bulk water?
That's one possible alternative. However, I will state [clears throat] that the costs to connect to those utilities are far more than I think any of us anticipated. Um, so we're looking at another alternative which would be in terms of emergency redundancy. Perhaps
us building or purchasing a new storage tank uh would address the redundancy issues wouldn't address the PAS necessarily. We'd still have to do our own filtration, but we're looking at all of these options and looking at the cost benefits for all of these options to make the best recommendation possible to the city council.
>> Okay. So, that's interesting. I know that Tampa has a a filter prototype that they're using for part of their water systems. I was it seems like they're a little further along, but perhaps I'm on the wrong track with that. The other point that I'd like to um raise is whether we can expect an offer or a
quote from the city of Tampa as we've received from Hillsboro County regarding connection to their system potentially and when that might occur. >> They gave us that quote. I included in the council update from two weeks ago. >> Good. Okay. Thanks. That's great. So, there have
been substantive updates since we discussed the PAS town hall. >> Yes, sir. Every week in your council update, I've been including a PASS update. >> I just I just have it rattling around my head that we were going to have the virtual town hall when we had a substantive update to share, but it sounds like we've had two of them then.
>> Well, we discussed this at the last meeting was the when we have the information from the CHA and the pilot and the CHA plan, the goal would be to have the the town halls. That's fine. Um I just have one more question uh regarding the um installation of the
trash cans in downtown Temple Terrace. Uh it was suggested at one point and emailed me that they were all going to be installed October 17th. I'm assuming that's happened. >> Yes, they were installed. >> Excellent. Great. Um and um regarding Blazing Paddles, have we
received anything else from them? >> No, the broker has reached out to them and Mr. Paulie, do you have any updates? Not at this point. So the broker uh should have communicated the uh the basically or the feedback from our financial um sort of a forensic accountant that looked at their business
plan. Uh if we don't receive any word back from them and probably by the end of is there what was the deadline >> we coming up Mr. working through our broker, we ask them to respond to the financial audit report
and submit any new information or edits or changes they wish to submit in time to get it on the I believe it's the December 3rd uh I think that's the first meeting in December um is what we asked them to do.
So we obviously we asked for that information to be delivered to us approximately 14 days before then and as of today I have not heard um from them although I did get a message from the broker earlier today uh requesting a meeting uh tomorrow.
Thank you. >> Um I just have one or two more items to get through here. Um so um yeah uh Sunnyside Tra uh Sunnyside Road traffic calving um is there any update on that? I was asked to follow up on
that by a constituent and I'm curious if there's been any more um reports for >> I don't think we have an update right now but I can get you something for the next meeting. >> Okay, that would be very nice. Thank you. Uh and uh regarding the health design for Riverside Park, I'm curious whether they have um taken the public
feedback into account or whether they're just going to abandon that intention and provide the same design for our park workshop. Where are we on that? >> Sure. Um I think as we talked about previously, so the uh the half I'm going to circulate the half design to the entire city council probably by week's
end or early next week. uh the the design is is is not necessarily has not changed dramatically. That's the reason we're trying to have the workshop so the council you as the elected officials can take the public feedback that when and working with the consultants and come up with the plan the way you want to see
the plan uh moving forward conscious also of the budgets the numbers that associated with it. >> Yeah. Final comment before I yield. I'm not going to make a motion on this, but I think it would be wise to drop the price of the property at 8901 Bertha Palmer to the highest current offer that
we have, which is 1.4 million from Blazing Saddles. The reason why I think it would be wise to do that is because we've been waiting some time for them to provide us with any additional information. They have not done so. Uh I think that if we lowered the price to 1.4 4 million which is what we have
tentatively agreed with them then we're signaling to the market that we're willing to offer the the other people who might be interested in this property and I'm sure they're out there the same price and you'll see who's interested at 1.4 million and not at 2 million which is what we have it listed at now and you
might get much higher quality offers. I think this would be a really smart move because right now the only person who knows at least if you're not following along on TV or reading the minutes that we're willing to offer it at 1.4 million would be people who are looking at what we're doing up here publicly. We're
still signaling to everyone on the market that we want 2 million and that might be too much of a burden for an investor to come in. So I'd be very curious to see whether we get more fish biting if we lowered the price to the price that we're offering blazing saddles. I think it'd be really smart to
do that and you know maybe someone will make a motion on that someday and then we can see. So and with that I yield the floor. >> Other new business. A quick question for the city attorney just to check my make sure I'm interpreting your memo correctly about
the Manatee Fire and the short-term rentals. [clears throat and cough] I think I got it, but I want to make sure I I have it right. It looks to me like Manatee Fire has a fire assessment fee. We don't have that. It looks to me like they have a fire fee and that what
they did was assess the short-term rentals according to the commercial schedule of the fee as opposed to the residential. Is that correct? >> Correct. And that was done pursuant to a state statute. >> Okay. So, we don't have a fire fee in simple terrace. So there wouldn't be any
mechanism for us to I mean we can't reszone them commercial because they I mean there wouldn't that mechanism that they used we don't have we don't have a fire fee. >> Correct. We we wouldn't be able to assess them. That was an assessment that
was authorized by the state legislature. We don't have that type of authorization. >> We don't have the fire fee. >> Correct. And we don't um and they are and the zoning [clears throat] you again it wasn't they didn't assess pursuant they were able to assess pursuant to the
use not the land zoning. We're going to be stuck with the land zoning by and large. >> So are there other city fees that we do have that could be applied at a commercial rate as opposed to do we have the equivalent of that? I know we don't have a fire fee, but do we have
[clears throat] like wood and I don't know. Would permits be higher if it were a commercial? I I don't know. >> I'm not I would have to defer to the staff on that. >> Okay. I just wanted to make sure I understood the case correctly. >> Yeah. I mean, again, that was a because
that's who provided the fire to them was the West Manatee Fire District. They had, you know, that's in order to be able to provide the services, they had to assess, you know, do a fire assist. >> Thank you. Other new business, board
reports. Council members, I I have aired human again. We discussed council business, carryover council business. We had an agenda item that we had extensive discussion on, but I neglected to ask you if there were other carryover council business items.
We just moved on to new business. So, are there other carryover council business items? Okay, we've already done new business and board reports. Anything more on that? City manager report. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just first uh
just in the backup this evening, you'll have the quarterly reports um uh that we include every 3 months. Uh, also at several uh, meetings ago, uh, I believe it was council member Fernandez with the support of council had asked for us to
explore a social media policy for city council members. I've included that social media policy to draft right now on the agenda. Uh, just if you allow me just a few highlights of the policy. Uh, basically we have different platforms that we use for social media. what we
were suggesting because it's something I think we're most comfortable with and allow us sort of a an entry point here into this new framework would be to uh if the council wishes to establish uh city Facebook pages for the council members uh the marketing and communications officer Ms. Rodriguez
would be the administrator of those social media accounts. Um we have established in the draft uh policy uh several sort of disclaimers that this would all be public. It's subject to Florida public records law, subject to Florida sunshine law. Uh so for example,
friends and followers of those pages would be subject to disclosure. Those lists would be subject to disclosure. Um, we've also made sure that to uh make very visible to the council members who wish to pursue this that uh according to Florida Sunshine Law, you can't engage
on the city's social media page in any exchange or discussion of matters that foreseeably could come before the city council or board or or committee of the city. Um, in terms of control, what typically will come up uh a lot of times
is discussion about posts. If somebody writes something on these pages, you know, is there anything the city can do about it? Uh, for the most part, there is a rather wide birth given to these posts. Um, you council members basically
you'd have the option can't really selectively, you know, pick like, okay, I don't I want to hear from this person, not that person, but you could turn off all the comments, which would probably defeat the purpose that you're looking to do these pages. But there are uh several restrictions that are allowed under case law. For example, if if
comments are off off subject or out of context, if they can contain obscenities or personal identify information [clears throat] or threatening or promote violence or incite violence or promote commercial products or promote or endorse political campaigns or candidates, things like that. You those
you could you could you could block. When I say block, uh what would happen, what we're proposing here is that if if you saw that on the page, you'd notify the marketing and um uh officer and or she might have noticed it before you, for example, and then u if it meets
these this criteria, she would be able to uh basically hide those comments. They'd still be archived because it's still a public record, uh but they'd be hidden uh from the public's view, which is which is allowable. Um uh there's also certain provisions as I just kind of alluded to on campaigning.
You couldn't use this for your your campaigns for example. Um and there's also provision here to appeal any decision for example if there's a discrepancy or dispute between the council member's interpretation of what may be a comment that should be restricted and not restricted and
staff's interpretation. I've outlined here in an appeal process for that which ultimately if you followed appeal all the way to the top it would come back to the city council for your your decision. If you would if you like this this draft policy um what we'll do is we'll we'll
create a resolution and put it on the next agenda for your adoption or if you wish to change things obviously give us that direction. council. What you wish >> your idea? >> Okay. I I would like to have us
establish a policy because I think while maybe a lot of people at this council right now might not want to use it, as we go into the future, more and more members of the public engage on social media. So I think having a having a
policy in place prior to needing to use it is important. Um secondly, so but I I do have a question about so what typically happens is and I'll I'll
use myself as the example. You know, I read a comment on Facebook and the information may have a question or it may just be incorrect information and I don't answer it obviously because it's
my personal Facebook. So, the only thing that I do um somebody had a question about the budget. I sent them the link to the city's budget. I didn't make any comments about answering the question. Um or I answer the question saying uh
contact me directly so we can discuss it or I um put I put you know put on there please watch the council meeting I think your questions will be answered. That's that's the the the gist of what how I would respond. If we had a city council
Facebook page how would that change how I'm able to respond? Would I actually be able to answer a constituent question or would that be considered engaging? Like I understand if we all had one, I couldn't go on any of theirs
any of their comments and comment. That would be a violation of the sunshine law. But if it's just me interacting with the constituent, you know, how does that change from what I do right now on my person through my personal one?
>> Me or you? you want to start? >> Sure. So, and and the city attorney can correct me if I say something that's not correct here, but um I would think for example, if if a if a constituent, resident, whoever is on your page, if they ask you a question, a factual question about something that's been
discussed here, like, hey, the budget question, if they say, hey, can you tell me how much is proposed for this in in the in the current budget or in the proposed budget? I think answering that would be fine and not run a foul of any of these uh issues. If they ask you how
are you going to vote on this matter or you express an opinion how you're going to vote on something that's going to come before the council that that's probably a problem. Um >> it is a problem. >> It is a problem. So uh so that's I mean I'm sure and I'm sure there's probably a dozen other scenarios that could come
up. Um so it'll it'll take some it'll definitely take some effort on whoever whoever chooses to have this page will take some effort to just make sure that you're you know you always keep you're conscious of that to avoid getting into trouble. >> [snorts] >> And then another question for you is I
know that Hillsboro County School District, the school board members do have Facebook pages and I believe Hillsboro County Commissioners as well. Do they already have a social media
policy in existence that they're operating from that we know is um that's been tried and and is in operation right now that we could take [clears throat] whatever components
of their policy and basically adapt them to ours. I don't have anything against this policy in front of me. I'm just those I know that they're in operation right now. So, so we didn't look at the the county's social media policy. We can do that certainly. Um, and we can see if
there's any differences between or significant I imagine there are differences but significant differences between theirs and ours and we can consider redoing this draft if you'd like us to do that, incorporating some of those differences. Again, I don't know what those differences might be at this point, so I'm just speculating.
>> I mean, I my only I'm only asking because I know that they use this currently. They the coun the commissioners and the schoolboard members use social media. So they must have some sort of
u infrastructure in place because I haven't seen any of them getting in trouble yet for violating any sunshine law or um >> so anyway that that's just my thought. But I do think that we should have a policy in place
>> whether anyone uses it. >> If you want Facebook that's fine. you okay with >> I think we probably should have a policy and I'll state I'm not going to do any Facebook. >> I'm not either, but I mean it's >> Yeah, lots of other cities. >> I don't know. And I think Tampa uh may
have one, too. >> Lots of cities do. >> A lot of cities do, but I never really see them answering questions. I see them posting things. So, I don't I I would be very concerned about questions coming in that >> uh someone one of us answers back. And it may not uh be on the agenda now, but
it may be something in the future. So, it's that's why I wouldn't do it. I'm sorry. >> Well, I'm I'm okay with >> Yeah, but >> you guys What do you think? You want them to bring it back in resolution or >> might as well. But I'd like before you do that though, I'd like to compare it
against the county if we could just to see if there's anything missing that that could tighten it up a little bit because that's [clears throat] a slippery slope. And once we It only takes one mistake that we got ourselves we could potentially have ourselves a problem that we don't that's self-created and not necessary. And
those are the ones usually hurt the worst. Council >> member Kravitz have any thoughts on this? you you want to hear my thoughts, that's fine. Um, I think I think we could compare it with the city of Tampa as well. I know that they have a lot of people who are on Facebook all the time.
Maybe it's possible to simply copy and paste their policy since it seems to work pretty well. >> I don't think it's secret. We could probably just ask them for it or find it online. I don't know. Um, so that's my thought on that. And the only other thought I have on this uh is um
the process by which people post. I believe when I read it, it stood out to me that you have to submit your post to the social media department. Correct me if I'm wrong. So, somebody somebody gets the post and then they approve it and put it on for you or how does that work,
>> professor? No, no, that's that. No, that's not the way it's drafted right now. you're able to post the the the marketing communications officer just basically helps set up your account, sets up the page for you, uh puts the disclaimer on the page. Uh if there's an
issue with the posts, like for example, somebody puts posts that might be obscenity laden or something like that, they might they might pull those posts off, still archive them, but they might might do that, but they're not we're not censoring the the council members posts.
>> [clears throat] >> Uh, I wasn't suggesting censorship. I was just addressing the process of posting. I'll I'll read the text again. It's possible. I don't remember. And and you know what? So, you'd be on your account, in other words, and you'd be typing your own response and hitting enter. Is that
>> correct? That's how it's intended. >> Council member wanted to do this. We'd set up the page for you. It the administration of the page in the sense of just the settings and that stuff would would be controlled by the the marketing communications officer, but you'd be posting. It'd be your council member Kravitz's city social media page,
for example. So, you'd post, you'd respond, however you'd like to do that. >> That's fine. I I have to read it again then. I was obviously pulled in a thousand directions. So, um sometimes when something is not super high on my list of priorities, it doesn't get the level of detail that it should. So, thank you for clarifying.
>> Okay. So, I think what I'm hearing, Mr. is to move forward, check with Tampa, check with the county, give us a draft of a policy for and a resolution for our adoption. >> Did I summarize that correctly? >> Agreed. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Uh so the question was raised in the public comment and I'm I'm grateful that the uh folks are still here about the Enigma Plaza. So uh I do have an update on Enigma. Well, first of all, let me just clarify because I think that there's a
little misunderstanding out there. The Enigma Plaza is not a city project. It's private property. It has not been city property for many years now at this point. Uh it's a private developer that's developing commercial property. Um he has several active permits. There
are several tenants that have applied applied for sub permits basically for tenant fitup. uh including he had a a barber shop, a restaurant, actually there's three restaurants here. So he had a barber shop, three restaurants, a nail salon, a
foot massage uh establishment, and a coffee shop. So those permits are are active. Uh we understand that the tenant for the barber shop tenant has pulled out uh and the other permits are still
active. Uh so that's the project. Now, in terms of when they're going to complete the project, this is a question that we've had honestly ourselves with with the developer, and we've asked the developer multiple times. The developer has given every single member of staff here who's had interaction with him
different dates over the last several years when he anticipates that the project will be concluded. Uh, thus far, he has not been able to hit any of those dates. Uh, I don't have any information and or knowledge of his personal private financing for the project. Again, it's
not a public project. It's a private project, so we're not aware of how he's financing it at this point. Um, but he definitely has taken a very long time uh to get this project going. If you if you visit the project and you actually get a up close uh look at it, it's it's done
well. The project is is pretty high quality. It's just it's very very slow. Um and uh you know, but he does have active permits for his tenants. Hopefully, these tenants and these permits will will come to fruition and he'll be able to get tenants into the building. Uh, but that's that's the
latest as we as of this afternoon. >> Mr. Bay, would you since since our folks have been patiently waiting, I'm glad they did, too. Would you please explain also that the the proposal for the paddle ball is also a private that's not a city project either. That's a private developer that's proposing.
>> Correct. So, the the paddle ball project is not city. We're we're not in the paddle. We're not going to get We have our own paddle ball courts at our our family rec center, for example, but we're not in the private paddle ball club. Uh, thank you. Pickle ball. I apologize. >> I'm sorry.
>> Um, uh, this what was this is a a a business concern that wants to establish a private pickle ball, uh, club and they approached the city looking to buy city property down at the CRA area. There's a vacant lot, which I'm sure you're probably familiar with, next to the
Starbucks, and uh, they made a proposal. That proposal is being vetted just for the sale of the property to them. So, we're vetting that proposal to make sure that they have the the wherewithal financially to [clears throat] support that project and acquire the city property. So, that's >> my main concern.
>> Yes, sir. >> Yes. That's being vetted. >> Right. So, that's being vetted, right? And that's what we just spoke of uh when when Mr. Paulie came up. That's what we're doing right now. We had a forensic accountant look at their business plan, provide them with analysis, and they're we're waiting for their response back to us.
>> Looking [snorts] at dropping the price officially to 1.4 million. >> We we don't need to get into the public comment. I mean, we we we'll be all of us will be here after, we're [snorts] happy to answer specific questions.
We're we're very close to being done and we're happy to meet after the meeting, but >> um also since we have a actually quite a lot of updates on the CRA, so I wanted to let you know that thanks to uh good work of Mr. Warrenfelds and his team, we've replaced the benches at the
Springdale Pond. There were several benches that were in not the best shape and so there are three new benches as of this afternoon that were installed there. Uh you may ask if we're going to move forward on so on on the improvement, why do we put new benches? Well, these benches are bolted down. We can replace them and use them elsewhere
uh uh if we if we wanted to later on. And then the last thing is at the at [clears throat] the last meeting uh the council did ask about the city an event at the city property. So I would like to ask Mr. Langfield to come up and give
you um an update. >> Good evening, Mr. Langfield. >> Good evening, Mayor, members of city council. Carl Langfield, leisure services director. I'd like to provide a quick update on the October 21st discussion regarding hosting a Centennial event in the redevelopment
area. Uh, as previously was noted, hosting events on the vacant lot in the redevelopment area continues to present challenges due to limited uh, available parking outside of that lot, as well as safety and accessibility concerns due to the extreme sandy nature and uh, uneven
uh, terrain in this areas. Uh, these conditions were confirmed again on a staff visit um on October 31st. These conditions provide challenges to host an event on that lot uh primarily due to
safety and accessibility that extremely soft sand. If somebody has mobility challenges, they're just not going to be able to negotiate that. However, we do have an alternative um in mind and that is to close Birth of Palmer Boulevard uh from the access drive that is just south
of Starbucks southward to the access drive where the charging stations are. By doing so, we've created a corridor of uh easily accessible ground. We've created uh parking where we can now use
that vacant lot uh which is really not suitable for an event but we can use it for parking. There's areas that of that ground that are suitable for parking. We can establish handicaps parking spaces elsewhere on pavement to satisfy any accessibility concerns. We now have
plenty of parking. We now have a great spot to have an event. We have engaged with our police department. Uh we've engaged [clears throat] with our sanitation department to discuss the feasibility of closing that road uh for an event. It doesn't affect any access points to any of the shopping centers.
It doesn't affect access points to Waverly Terrace, nor does it affect any access points into or out of the complex to 56th Street uh from those areas. um having an event here. We could have the food trucks uh along the side of the
road, bounce houses, games, rooms for tables and chairs for folks to sit at if they're eating, rooms for vendor tents uh in this area. To host an event like this would cost about $2,200 for the city to put on. This would include costs for the rental of light towers, rental
of portaotties, rental bounce houses, also include costs for staffing for leisure services staff, police officers, and public works staff. Um, this this event is something that we can we can certainly do. We've already started conversations with some of our
local food truck vendors that we've used at previous events such as fall festival, 4th of July. Uh, kind of giving them a tentative date to look at uh to discuss availability. They're on board with this. I think we can put something very nice together in
December. >> Council, is that what you want them to do? Everybody good with that? >> Sounds like a good event. >> That sounds fantastic. Is it Is it 2200 or 22,000? >> 100. 2200. I can do a $22,000 event if you'd like and it'll be fantastic, but I
don't have [laughter] that kind of money. >> Curious. >> Okay. Fantastic. Really, really great. >> Sounds like everybody's in agreement with doing that. Thank you. >> Thank you. So, I'd like to make a motion to approve that
uh event and to instruct staff to execute on it to have a downtown food truckbased event on Bertha Palmer. >> Okay. Is there a second? That's not worth it. Is there a second? >> Okay. Second. Great.
>> Any discussion? All those in favor say I. I. >> I. >> Very good. Now it's official. >> The last item I have is related actually to the speaker from the St. Vincent Depal. Um would like some direction from
council on this issue because I know that this is timesensitive and our next meeting would not be for a couple more weeks. So, if council wishes us to entertain this um grant type of approach, we just
I would like to do something. I mean, you and I talked yesterday. I called you about this very thing. I was concerned about the SNAP and the what I was concerned about was specifically our senior programs at Lightfoot because I know a lot of that
was SNAP funded, but we worked through that. Um I I really don't know kind of come up without a lot of discussion. So I don't I don't know what the options are at this point. I mean, I personally, yes, I'd like to see the city do
something to help these people that are in need right now, particularly in Temple Terrace because that's the cover. These are the people that we're uh that we serve. I just don't know what the options and ramifications are. I know that the seniors at Lightfoot were doing
something because they had a whole table full of food that Kevin Woodard was telling me that they had collected. I think that was going to the United Methodist Church. So, there's some efforts underway, but these aren't city per se. Um
>> I >> Yeah, >> I I know um at the fall festival um Lisa Services was uh collected a lot of food, but I think that went to uh Tumble Terrace. Uh Mr. Langfeld I think do you
have an update on anything or >> again Carl Langfeld leisure services director um in the past we have had collection boxes at the family complex at lightfoot at the library for
various food banks and charities over the years. Um, I think now would be a a excellent time to to revisit an idea such as this where we could be a a collection site to help out to help out your organization by simply having those collection boxes at at various city
facilities to um to to have have a centralized point for the community to bring in donations should they wish to do so. And yes, at fall festival we did uh gather collections uh for the Temple Terrace Elementary Food Bank. So >> yeah, Vice Mayor,
>> to supplement that, how hard would it be or would we be able to mobilize our our social media network internally to to get the word out to beat the bushes of the city that [snorts] that this is available, this is our need, and you we have some specific
designated potential uh recipients. So it's um without singling anybody out, [clears throat] you know, uh St. Vincent Depal or or or the individuals the individual the other individual um uh food banks. Um you know now's the time
for Temple terrace to rally around its people. So not nec I don't know what kind of grants we could put together uh in the interim through the city. It would not something that could probably done very quickly. But um I think I think we can just rally rally our pe
rally our citizens that way if we have the locations to for drop offs. [clears throat and cough] Excuse me. But I don't know who to direct this to or if this is I don't even know if this is what the legalities of this are.
What would be the legalities of the city making a direct financial contribution to this? Because rallying our citizens, we could do that, too. But if we gave them money, they've got the infrastructure in place. They've got
the distribution network in place. They've got the they've they've got this all in place. Now, I know there's concerns about I don't know how many food banks we have in the city. Two, I think somebody said three. Three. >> Three. Can maybe we could
>> St. Vinc Greco St. Vincent and >> Temple Terrace Elementary >> and Methodist is outside the city. Let me >> Methodist is actually in Tampa. Yeah. [clears throat] Um because I'm this this is time I mean this is time sensitive. There's people
hungry right now. >> Um is that are we going to run a foul of anything if we did that? >> I'm going to have to research that. I can look into that. Well, can >> yeah, >> if the council's amendable, what if we did this? What if >> if if that's what if the council would
like to make a donation? >> Yeah, I don't know. This is just an idea. >> Let's assume for argument sake that the council wants to do some sort of [clears throat] a grant. >> What if you give us that direction? If that's what you want to do and you give us that direction, then we can look at the legality as early as tomorrow and
figure out if there's any any issue here that would be stopping us from doing that and we report that back to you. If there isn't, then we can come up with a framework to provide those dollars and would report back to you. Obviously, it's not going to be in this meeting because again, time is very timesensitive, but we we we send a note
to the council saying this is what we suggest doing uh and this is what we you know would move forward with. Um does that sound amendable to the council? >> I'm just speaking for me. I don't know what the obviously what the and there I'd like to hear from the other council member because they may have things I
haven't thought of. This is on the fly, but if we have three food banks and we gave them $5,000 each, we just budgeted in this [clears throat] current budget, there's $2 million for the ERP system and we're just spending 400,000
of it. Now, I know that that's not the final expense, but it seems pretty unlikely that we're going to spend all two $2 million of this. So if we went from 2 million to 1.985
million, I don't think that would >> make a rather than take away from the ARP system. U could we just say we'd use unsigned fund balance? >> Yeah, that's >> if it's the number you're talking [clears throat] about. Now, if it's bigger number, I think we'd want to think about it, but >> almost the same thing.
>> Vice Mayor, I I don't I didn't see you. >> If I may, um, if we could ascertain whether there's three or four, I'm I don't know. Then I I would agree with that. Five up to [clears throat] $5,000 a piece, we could approve it based upon a final judgment, a final uh I don't I
don't want to exclude anybody. So, we're going to if we're going to if we're going to help, let's help as the the the proper number and then they can, you know, and then that's something it be the 18th before we can act again. and they're running out of money now and they need the food now. We they they
they can't wait and I would I would support $5,000 per food bank within located within city temple terrace at an emergency basis to to to help out and I would I could support that and make a motion on that if if if we got that far. >> Okay. C I didn't see council member if
you had comments. Council >> just a thought. Uh we have two public supermarkets in our town. Maybe if all five of us asked them to make a donation to these food banks, they would do that. I would be surprised if they would be so cold-hearted as not to. Would that be
something worth considering? >> They Publix typically already donates to Feeding America. >> Yeah. >> And they donate over there too. I know that. >> So maybe they would donate to >> these charities as well. >> You have two Windixies as well. >> And yeah, thank you very much. Two wind.
So, we have four supermarkets from major chains that already make food donations. Maybe if we appealed to them directly as the city council in a 5 to zero motion, uh we would incentivize them or encourage them to make a donation quickly if we could pass something like that tonight.
>> Being involved with Publix for other donations for other nonpr other charities, they have a very strict internal corporate policy that you got to go through Lakeland in order to do anything. And I I and while it's well while well while well while it's a good
thing but they already have their they have their agreements with with feed feeing Americans stuff like that. I think that I think we need to uh I I don't it would take too long. It really wouldn't. I think we have we have an emergency situation. >> Just on that real quick. I also heard
from Dr. Colmes at Metropolitan Ministries today that their food bank is bare their shelves are bare right now. So this is >> this is everywhere. Yeah. Council >> man. I I would think I would like to hear from >> okay first of all >> to the podium you have to come up >> the major the major
>> Mr. Mr. Zaski, you have to be >> the major food stores right now give to us. All right. So, in other words, they already are very charitable. Wind Dixie, Publix, they they take their their somewhat soon to be outdated stuff and they give it to us now. So, we're in
contact with them. We we've never asked them, I guess, or maybe we have for for for dollars, but and I know we can accept grants. I mean, we are a nonprofit and so we accept grants every day of the week from from organizations and from cities and from counties. Well, this this organization doesn't, but St.
Vincent Dep Paul is massive. I don't know how many locations we have globally or nationwide, but we got lots. Um, one I'm referencing is Temple Terrace is just one I'm heading. And so, uh, any food you can give because yeah, the shelves are bare and uh, Saturday is
coming. Saturday morning is when the the cars line up and it's just going to get worse. And what we're doing now is taking money we would normally give to people that can't afford their rent. We offer rent assistance and electric
assistance. And some of those funds are being pulled to buy cash because the normal free food we get from uh you know, Feeding Tampa Bay and all the rest of it, they're holding back because they have their own distribution problems now. So
yeah, anything you guys could give? >> Sorry. Go ahead. um a question and you probably don't know it, but um if the government shutdown ends on a certain day, how long after that do you expect
to get your normal system back? >> You're absolutely right. I don't because you know the government, they could say tomorrow everything is open, but how long does it take to get the checks out? And we're not asking for a million dollars, guys. You know, 5,000. Good.
Cuz we're not like >> you're [laughter] but 5,000 $5,000 would be wonderful, you know. I mean any any kind of help. I mean I I suggested having a food drive. I mean not just a couple boxes somewhere. I mean an organized food
drive. You want to split up between four people. If an entire city and just think of the good press you guys would get the city of Temple Terrace is going to have a food drive. you know, uh, somebody mentioned the rec center and I mean, get behind it and and
we'll have our volunteers there and then and the Lutheran I mean everybody can show up and and but they're to feed childrens and babies and all the rest of it. This is this is something that uh but to answer your question directly don't know but we don't have to worry
about it because the food will be gone anyways. I mean the way it is now by the time the wick starts again this starts again and the way the two sides are fighting nothing's going to stop anytime soon but either way sir to answer your question directly I don't know but there's so lack of it was going to take
us months to recoup >> to get our shelves back >> thank you Mr. Thank you, Council Member Fernandez. >> So, I I have some questions about the city donating cash and the reason and my
concern has to do with the fact that how do we then differentiate if we're deciding right now this is an issue that uh the city would like to contribute something to in the future. another
organization comes to us and they maybe are doing something that is considered charitable and important for the community, but we've set a precedent now that we can't say no to anyone now.
>> I don't I don't think I agree with that. We're in a government shutdown and we're giving to local food banks. I don't think that that equates to every little league coming and saying we want you to buy us new you I don't
>> okay the next time we get in a government shutdown and our people are going hungry we'll give you money too. I mean, I don't I don't think this is I mean, [snorts] I I understand what you're saying. It it could be um but I I
just don't think this is opening the door to every I mean, this is a little different in my mind, but >> emergency. Can I say one last thing? Um you can go to Wind Dixie [snorts] and don't I mean, if you want to ask for money, great. Buy food. You guys got
trucks? >> Okay. Food. If if staff wants to do a food drive, you don't need us. You you can do a food drive on your own. I mean, you you can set that up. You can have a special event.
You can do at the rec. You don't need the city council for that. So, if the staff wants to do that and think that's a better way, the only reason I brought up the direct cash infusion is because we can buy food tomorrow. Well, the day
after tomorrow perhaps as opposed to now you've got a special event to plan. We have to advertise it. We got to get a hold of Pastor Le and we got to get a hold of Pastor Purpose. We got to get a hold on these people and try to coordinate that. I mean, that's not going to happen for a little while. That takes some
um and then we've got to collect all this and sort it, which I'm sure they could help with. So, there's a lot of how do you divide that food up between the different food bank? I mean, that that it's easy [clears throat] to say. It's not as quick to do. Whereas, if we could cut a check
for the for the food banks, that would get food on those shelves by the end of the week >> cuz we're going to run out, guys. They're going to be >> we we we know. >> Sorry. >> So, I don't know what you guys think or want to do. >> I'll make a motion.
>> So, I'm sorry. We council member Kravis had something >> very short comment. Um I'll make a private donation. We can talk after, but um I think it is concerning to think that one group comes here and receives a grant, other groups will take note of
that. I kind of agree that it is setting a precedent and and everyone has great needs. Um there will be other people who come in. I I understand it's an emergency and you know, I'm fine responding to that personally. I just don't know whether using an a grant from
our city coffers is the way. I understand it's not a ton of money, 5,000 It's but multiply that over and over again. I don't I don't know. It's difficult to predict the future, right? >> Just city attorney just excuse me, city
attorney just reminded me if it these are city dollars now, but if at the last meeting, if you recall, the city attorney u read out a settlement from the fountain shops for >> 17060,000 >> 160 $160,000. >> Um those are new found dollars. Um, so
if that gives you if that alleviates some of your concern from the financial perspective, um, I just want to put that out there just so you can think about that as well. >> Okay. Well, [clears throat] um, if you wanted to make a motion, Vice Mayor, I don't know if you still do, but
if you do, my my suggestion would be that it be whatever amount you think is appropriate times. We think we have three food banks. We may have four. Is that true? We don't know. >> And you may get more once this works. >> Well, but in Temple Terrace, I mean,
you're going to have to if you wanted to make a motion, you'd have to set a cap. >> Yeah. >> Well, we could sit here all night make a motion to to authorize up to $5,000 per bonafide Temple Terrace Food Bank for
this to to to help with this emergency situation. um uh for a one time a onetime donation to them at this point. >> What's the cap? >> Pardon me. >> What's the cap?
>> Well, 5,000 per per bonafide food bank. >> Better set a total amount, don't you think? >> All right. 20,000. Okay. >> There aren't that many food banks in. >> Is there a second? >> Second.
>> Is there discussion? Okay, just reiterate the motion so everybody's clear. It's $5,000 per food bank. >> Two food bank up to I'm not sure whether you got three or four at this point, but a maximum of 20. So cover up to four banks. >> Pending legal review. >> Right. Right. Pending legal review.
>> Okay. Further discussion of the motion. >> I I just I have very big concerns about the government, our government doing this. I private people, no issue supporting a food drive. No issue having city resources committed to helping the
food drive. But I just have a an issue with actually giving the private entity cash from the city. >> The city of Tampa doesn't. >> They do. >> Okay. Mr. Zelnowski. >> Okay. Council member,
>> uh, it's a real tough call for me. Um, I can see really good arguments going in both directions. Right now, I'm probably a soft yes, uh, just because it's such an urgent situation. Um, but my concern from earlier still stands. I I think and
and this could easily get out of hand. There are there are all kinds of charities, all kinds of groups in Temple Terrace. All of them have similarly articulated urgent needs. Um, and you know, I'll just reiterate again, I will make a private donation and but I this
this is a really tough call and uh you know the future's hard to predict like I said and and we're setting a precedent right now. Um I don't or are we I mean I don't know has this happened before? Have we done this something have something like this? >> Not that I'm aware of. >> Let me ask you this if you don't mind my
interruption. Is there something we could change in the motion that would make you either one of you feel more um feel better about it? There's something we could add or some language that would help draw further a line around this that would
>> Mayor >> Well, hang on. He's got the floor. >> Yeah, >> I I don't have any thoughts right. I yield the floor if anyone else would like it. >> I was going to say I have concerns, too. And the concern I have is not the 5,000 to St. Faul now. It's to the other food
banks that we don't know the size of them. I know the size and scope of St. Vincent Paul and uh to the Greco thing that they would love that and I'm sure it's going to be used but I don't know if it's the same and that's my concern.
>> And um also uh my wife and I Beth and I we always donate to St. offensive to Paul and we'll do that again and as council member Kravit says we'll talk after but on this issue that's my concern >> that's a good point >> if all all the banks are treated are are
they all equal and you know that's my concern >> that's a good point should should I don't know I mean should we narrow this down more to the ones we know >> got hungry families out there. >> I know
>> that's, you know, >> I know >> it's not a blank check, but it's we got >> we got people who aren't going to eat tonight or tomorrow night. >> We need to it it's >> I agree. >> And and I hear what both of you are saying, and I don't I I I have some concerns. >> Yeah. And I don't I don't really
disagree with some of your >> comments. I'm a little concerned about that, too. Um, and I do want to make it clear to anybody watching or that or this is not intended to kick the door open to us directly. I I am not I hear what you're saying. I'm a conservative,
too. And I But >> can we say something like a a one-time donation to and I I would be more comfortable donating directly to St. Vincent Depal knowing the infrastructure that exists
if we were to to say a one-time donation to this organization to help with the food shortage happening specifically during the time period when
resources were cut off. So you would feel more comfortable >> I would feel much more comfortable with that than something more generic because um I know the infrastructure with that organization. I know Temple Terrace Elementary has food available for
students. I know Greco has food available for students. They do not have the same delivery. Those student those families also have access to the more structured organizations.
>> Okay. So that would make you feel a little more comfortable. >> That would make me feel more comfortable. >> Would that >> But keep in mind, my motion was to get this thing started because we could sit here and just well we wish wish we could. I don't have a problem with what you're saying. I think that that's that's a valid concern and um St.
Vincent Depal is up here under organization and their distribution method and the others are down here. So I agree with you on that. >> Okay. >> Um >> I'm amendable to do anything. We just need we need to do something. >> Well, that might be Would that give you
any relief to your concerns or >> um just have a >> I'm thinking about what this means going forward and um we could vote for the motion today. One thought I have about
how we might get a handle on other charities coming to request money going forward would be um just a thought you if any anyone fills out their income tax, there's a check box where if you want to donate $3 to public campaign finance, right? And
loads of people do that. So maybe there would be a possibility to do something like that in Temple Terrace perhaps on people's utility bills, an opt-in program where they're willing to contribute a dollar every month toward a food bank charity that we then set up and then we could collect the money from
donations from our from people voluntarily through an existing billing system. We could put that in a dedicated fund and then instead of having this discussion every year when people come to request for special requirements, we could say we have a dedicated fund for that. There's x amount of dollars in there. It's collected from donations
from the people in Temple Terrace and we're going to distribute that based on some sort of a standard that we then or staff develops. That would be that would be a thought for how we could get a handle on this if we vote for this tonight to give it some sort of framework. >> An interesting idea
>> to do it as a secondary thing >> not in lie of but as a secondary secondary program within the city. >> Right. So if we vote for this tonight then the question will be how do we handle it going forward? right? More people might come. That's that's one of the concerns.
If we have a way of collecting donations, managing the donations that we collect and giving them to people based on some sort of selection process that makes everyone happy, right? Then then we can vote for this tonight and not worry that in the future we'll have
to make many many ad hoc decisions when individuals come here with their requests and their needs. Right. That's we could we could look >> certainly explore that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So,
right. >> Oh, city manager >> just um not to sway [snorts] this argument, but uh I guess council member Fernandez with the notion of St. Vincent the Paul, you seem to be focusing on that and my recollection um is that actually the property of St. Vincent the
Paul uses a city property. >> It is. >> So, there's already an affinity between the city and St. and that particular charity that was established historically uh to allow them to use that city property >> that is that is city property >> food pantry. >> So technically we could say that the
city's already in some ways supporting not supporting in terms of but a supporter of >> so would you be agreeable to re amending the motion
and restricting this to St. Vincent to Paul. Now, you can keep the amount the same or you can change the amount since we're focusing on one. Um, or do you want to leave your motion the way it is? >> Given the >> That was me kind of
>> Oh, I'm sorry here. I apologize. Sure. >> Um whatever motion if you can make sure that you know you make that we u you know whatever we can legally do. My cursory investigation right now or research is really kind of seems to be
indicating that the Florida Constitution may not allow us to use tax dollars >> to do this. But that again maybe that lean money might you know that wasn't tax dollars. So, I just I think we need to invest just have the city investigate
whether it can do this and if it can then maybe >> Well, what we were hoping to do is to make the motion tonight pending your review tomorrow so that we can move on this. >> I understand. I just want and I plan to have that done by noon tomorrow, I'm
sure. >> But I just want to be sure that already my cursory research is, >> you know, dealing with tax dollars be a problem. I know cities do it because Tampa does it, Hillsburg County does it. I know that they give money to Mittman, they give money to St. I mean,
>> I don't know that how they do it >> exactly. That's why just give me the opportunity to >> Does that anybody's comfort level change if we say say $5,000 to St. Vincent to Paul and then 2500 to the to the local school food banks. Each one of those
>> I I I kind of was persuaded by council member Fernandez to remember the schools are supported by a huge organization too and so and many of those kids aren't temple's families whereas St. Vincent Paul primarily they are um not not always but
they service a certain geographic area which is roughly corresponding to the city. Um, >> so how would we want how do we want how do we want to approach it? >> I mean I will retract my motion because
we're starting to to create a cab of what was supposed to be >> personally and and I'm and I'm not dismissing anything either one of you have ever this has been good conversation. I get it but I I personally would be okay with just giving don a donation to
St. convincing to Paul even if you up the amount because we're now we're going to one and people say well you're using you know um you're setting a precedent no I mean the next time people come to us and say wait a minute this is not the same thing we were faced with a government
shutdown and a and people who relied on these programs for food and that is not the same as buying little league equipment or given to rotary I mean I I support Rotary and
Sertoma but this is a very acute crisis. This isn't a general charitable [clears throat] thing. So I I don't >> I I agree with I agree with the overall concept and and and the framework. [clears throat] I just hate to exclude
the other food banks that are out there that are local that are that are scrging. I've seen I've seen pictures and you know these these are hungry kids. you know, these are these are the families are going to them and uh you know, I again, I [clears throat] don't
know how many food banks there are. Uh I imagine Lewis has one. I don't know. I don't know what what what the scope is. So, uh uh but I think I think we need to do something, but I you know, I mean, I don't I I want to do something. So, I'll
be will retract my my motion and come up with a different >> Okay, how about this? What if we gave money to St. Vincent to Paul because we know that they're here. They're on city land. They service our area. At the same time, we encourage
staff to do the food drive idea that we've talked about here. Also, >> that will take a little time. It's not going to put food on the shelves this week, >> but that food can be distributed to the other food banks or, you know, whoever,
however they identify that takes a little longer, but St. Vincent Depal is here, right here. I mean, they're 300 yards down the road on our property. I mean, there's a relationship. We know they're feeding families that are
not all of them in Temple Terrace, but they're close. >> Does that give everybody a little bit of comfort? >> Deal better with that if if we're designating the food any food drive that we do put together to the to the other food banks. And again, the city did
do fall festival and they collected a lot of food and that went Temple Terrace food bank and the Lightfoot goes to Temple Terrace. >> Do you know? >> I have to check Metropolitan Ministries. >> Metropolitan Ministries. >> I think he said it went to Met. I think that's what
>> and other groups. I know the U golf and country club, they're putting boxes out. I don't know where it's going to go, but I could check. I just want to make sure we don't miss a food bank because I think Lewis has one and I think the other I think all those schools have something.
>> I don't want obligate you guys to doing a food drive. Was that your intent already? >> Well, they're doing but I have one [laughter] I have one question of is will 5,000 get you how long? A week,
two weeks? Uh, $5,000. >> You have to come up to the podium, Mr. Zelnowski. >> Exactly. >> No, come up. You have to come up to the podium. >> Sorry to make you get up and down and >> Oh, that's okay. Uh, $5,000 would
certainly get us through a week or two because I mean, what we purchase the food for isn't public's price. And so we will get a distributor. We will pay for the food. Um but it will certainly last us a week or two.
>> Okay, that's all I want to thank you. >> What what happens then? >> And and by the way, we checked to make we ask them if they live in Temple Terrace. We only deliver. We don't ask them are you rich, are you poor, the 12 people in your car all there, but the driver and all the rest of it. We ask
you're resident of Temple Terrace. >> Council member Kravitz. I I think it would be a great motion to disperse some funds today. Just be generous. Uh your idea as well. Very good. Um but I'm
having trouble recalling exactly what it was. Can you refresh my memory? >> Oh, that we were going to do a food drive or organize some kind of >> Yeah, but you know, obviously not with a whole lot of production value maybe, but I'm sure people might be generous and you might catch a little bit of extra there. But I agree that it's not a great
idea to it's a lot of effort to organize a food drive. And maybe for going forward, we just say look into whether we could tax something onto the utility bills. People voluntarily opt in to pay a dollar extra a month. Then that goes
into a dedicated fund for the future because I'm sure this isn't the last food emergency that we'll have. And it might actually be nice if we had some facility to address that. So maybe a motion with all three of these things is
the right tone to end on the night >> with the caveat that it comes from the lean forfeite or the lean funds not tax from the lean >> lean reimbursements. I can't agree to including the checkbox
because in in this in this motion because that can be a that can be something that the city really couldn't undertake. I mean, if you you're talking about the city administering a foundation essentially,
and I don't know that that is within the scope of the city's operations, but so I I would definitely not want to include this with this. I mean, my my as I said, my concern, I I don't want to establish something where every charity in the
city, which we are, we have a lot of charities in the city. We have very good volunteers and and very generous residents etc. And I just don't want to be in a place where everybody who feels a need believes they need to come to the
government to get that need filled because we we are spending other people's money and we have to be careful to spend it the way other people would like to have it spent. So where I see personally something being worthy of
charity, my time and my funds, somebody else might want their money spent in a different charitable way. And it's not up to us to determine how charitable funds should be spent. In this case, I
can say we have an emergency in the community right now and a one-time donation in order to alleviate this specific emergency could be warranted.
But I don't want to get in the habit, at least for me, of as a a city, as a government person involved in spending funds in a charitable manner. >> I manage a foundation. You're entirely correct. That becomes a nightmare. Everybody and their brothers got their
hands out. May I modify my motion? >> Okay. So, yeah, we we've had some really good discussion here, but we need to land the plane. >> Yes. Council member Kravitz, >> just as a compromise, instead of the collection effort, what about a one-pager policy where we define how we're going to do this in the future?
But just who who are we going to select? How are we going to select them? What standard? Staff can come up with that and then we'll have some guidance. We won't have to decide on a case [snorts] by case basis every single time. >> Hopefully, we don't have to do it again. >> Yeah. I would say not I don't have any plans. [snorts] Yeah.
>> In the future to dispense funds in a charitable manner. Yeah. I would agree with that. May I May May I modify my motion? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thought >> did you withdraw it? >> Because I was going to Do I have to withdraw it or at the moment?
>> No, I thought you did. I'm sorry. >> I offered to withdraw it. Oh, >> no, we didn't. We didn't act on it. Okay. >> Okay. modify my motion to uh a one-time emergency um contribution dispersement from lean fees, lean collection fees to
um to St. fits to Paul in the amount of $5,000 and with with the with the understanding that the ad the city administration the staff will do some type of a food drive um that could be disseminated, you know, as quickly as
possible that could be distributed to other food banks within the city so that they have, you know, it'd probably be hard to give everybody a chunk of money, but if they would give them food in a relatively quick manner, um uh that would help them
>> pending legal review. >> Pending legal review and uh again the money coming from the lean for lean reimbursements. >> Okay. >> Was your second choice? >> Second. >> Any discussion of the motion? >> If not, all those in favor say I.
>> I. >> I. Opposed. >> Okay. Thank you all. >> Mayor comment. >> Yes. >> Uh I'm looking at the your web page and there's a very big donate button. So out there in the world, uh, help St. Vince the Paul out. Click on the donate button
and you can do it and we can do it without even talking to you afterwards. So >> let's let's let's double this money and make it twice. Yeah. >> Yes. >> So we're >> and support the other food banks. Okay. >> Are we still on city manager report? I think >> Okay. City attorney report. >> I have nothing tonight.
>> Okay. Any other issues to come before the council tonight? If not, we will be adjourned. Thank you all. >> [music] [music] >> Hey, [music] hey, hey. >> [music]
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