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[music] Hey. [music] Hey, hey, hey. >> [music] [music] >> Hey. [music] Hey,

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hey, hey. Hey, hey, Hey, hey, hey. >> [music] [music] >> everybody and welcome to the August 4th meeting of the Temple Terrace City

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Council. I will call the meeting to order and ask uh well, first of all, I'd like to remind everybody since we have such a big crowd to please silence your cell phones. Says up here electronic devices, but I don't know what you're carrying with you these days besides cell phones. If you still have a beeper,

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you can leave that beep. That'd be fun for everybody. So, um, if you would please stand and join me in the invocation and the pledge. Lord, as we begin our meeting tonight, we pray for wisdom and compassion as we strive for the common good of our city and its residents.

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We thank you for your many blessings and pray for peace and unity within our country. We pray for all of our employees and especially for the family of Kevin Woodard. May [snorts] you grant them peace and comfort as they continue to mourn his passing. Amen.

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>> Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay.

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And just a uh little public service announcement here. Our next council meeting would normally be on Tuesday, August the 18th. However, as I hope you all know, that is the night of the election or the day of the election,

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August 18th. And so, by our city's charter, um our council meeting we will be held on the Monday before that date. So that is Monday, [snorts] August 17th. Still everything's the same. 6:00 still in here, but it's Monday instead of

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Tuesday. And that only happens on um election years. Okay? So just please make a note of that. [snorts] Um, for those of you who may not visit our council meetings very often, we have a tradition here whereby we begin with a

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fun or historic or interesting fact about our city or our community or the region and that duty rotates up and down the deis and tonight it falls on our vice mayor uh James Chambers. So James, >> thank you mayor. Okay, [snorts] this

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topic has been touched on um before at least a year ago, but I want to the first part I want to bring up again. It's about the community gardens we have in the uh city of Temple Terrace. There are three separate garden areas in Temple Terrace. They're all run by a

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volunteer organization, the Temple Terrace Community Gardens. Um they're volunteer group. The first location was at and still is at River Hills Park. At that time, a group of our residents was helping uh River Hills Elementary School that wanted to start a

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garden directly adjacent to the cafeteria and they helped. They saw a benefit of that and started thinking about having an area of for themselves to have uh anyone other than school children um have a garden area. So, uh,

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they approached the city and on February 7th of 2012, city council passed resolution 16-12 allowing the group to use an area of land at River Hills Park and that was location number one. Then the second location is a garden area at

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Greco Middle School. The school board authorized the use of that property along with an agreement with the city uh in 2013. So, that was the second area and that's still going strong. Uh the third location was uh near Lynwood Park

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and that was uh approved in 2016. So those are three gardening locations. They're all some of them are the same. There's some are a little different. Um I can tell you about the Greco one because my wife has a plot so I know more about that one. Uh the the plots

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are 8 feet, excuse me, 4 feet by 10 feet. It's $20 to be a member of their uh volunteer group and it's $40 a year to use the garden and that includes the water and irrigation and it's maintained up by the group. So those are the three

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current ones. Now people think that River Hills was the very first garden plot in Tubble Terrace and that is not true. So, I've done some research and uh I would guess, but I don't know for sure that during World War II there must have

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been some victory gardens in the city, but I don't know that for a fact. But I do know that there was one city authorized garden area before that and that was uh in the 1970s and that was down at B station which is

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our sewage pumping station that uh it's about the very southern part of Temple Terrace where West and East River meet. That facility we had eight plots and they were 10 by 50 in size. And I know this because I was starting in the recck

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department and I worked at the tennis courts and apparently when you did that that meant you also had the garden plots in the south part of the city. So uh I managed that and it cost $10 a year for those plots. So I say that because I know there was a a garden before that

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and the only thing I know that is in the records and it's not really ours was there was a channel 13 story. One of the very first stories Lloyd Sour did, he just retired last year with channel 13, but he did a story on the community gardens and it was my first interview on

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TV. Um, and so I was scared to death kind of like I am right now. But anyway, all right. So now that's that's the story of the first I know garden plot city sponsored plot, but now I always like to make this somewhat a story and

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about me. So, it involves me, not about me. So, the garden plot people, the renters, they decided they wanted uh more organic fertilizer. So, they all chipped in and and made a deal with a chicken farmer in

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Brandon for a load of chicken manure. Okay. At this time, highway 60 was two lane. Brandon almost didn't exist. More more cattle in chicken farms than anything. uh Interstate 75 didn't exist.

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So to get there, you had to go down 301 and then turn east on uh 60. So the assistant director of the rec center at that time was a man named Jim Adamson, and he drove a truck. It was a Ford Ron uh Rancherero, if you know what

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those vehicles are. And its nickname was the Ronero because it was terrible. It didn't run very well, but it was the vehicle we had. Uh we didn't have a great finance department back then that kept us up in vehicles. So, thank you. But anyway, so uh Jim drove and I rode

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with him to this chicken farmer uh out there and the front end loader came with this load of chicken manure and put it in the back of the uh rancherero which you know is not a really good truck. It's more of a vehicle than a car than a truck. So it can't carry much and it

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went right to the axle. It was so heavy. [snorts] So now, if you can imagine, we're driving very slow because when Jim tried to turn, the front wheels were barely making contact. So to turn, if you turned right, the thing would kind of bounce and grab and kind of just turn

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like that. So we're going really, really slow. We're now on 301 heading north towards uh the city. And a semi or big truck, again, 301 was two lane, blew by us. The wind got under the truck and picked

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the hood up and wrapped it around the windshield. We couldn't get it back down. So, I had to walk I don't know how far to find a gas station with a pay phone. Cell phones didn't exist to call. I had to call public works and tell them that we're on the side of the road with a

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load of chicken manure with the roof wrapped around the windshield. So, that's just a I thought a humor story about the first garden plots in Temple Terrace. So anyway, [applause] >> so somewhere on the side of 301 in the

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ditch is a stealer of of for grander with chicken >> probably. Yes. I don't I really don't know how they got it back. I had to leave. >> You can't the these are these are the best stories. These are really these are better than what we can find online. So thank you very much. So, uh, the next

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item is always a pleasure and this is the employee of the month and I'd like to recognize the employee of the month and call Michael Faborg to the podium. And so, um, while he's coming up in in full disclosure, yes, uh, Mike is a friend of mine. However, I had nothing

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to do with his selection. Um, I hesitate to say that because I was going to hold it over his head, but I really didn't have anything to do with your selection. So, um, Michael Fabborg is recognized as the employee of the month for the month of June. Uh, Mike is an exemplary

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employee who consistently demonstrates professionalism, dependability, and strong leadership. He communicates clearly and directly with staff and is highly regarded for his organizational skills, attention to detail, punctuality, and commitment to completing every task to the highest

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standard. He is someone his colleagues can rely on at any time, day, or night. and he consistently goes above and beyond to ensure that the job gets done. During Hurricane Milton, uh Mike demonstrated remarkable calmness and professionalism under challenging

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circumstances. His dedication and teamwork were especially evident during the long and demanding cleanup efforts that followed the storm. And that doesn't tell half the story there. I'm going to have to come back to that one. Uh, [snorts] as a maintenance attendant for, Michael is highly

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knowledgeable and takes the initiative to share his expertise with his co-workers. His willingness to support and mentor others contributes significantly to the efficiency and effectiveness of the public works team. He's a hardworking and dedicated employee who consistently

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encourages those around him and contributes to a positive workplace environment. [snorts] He's a natural leader and a tremendous team player. His dedication, knowledge, work ethic, and positive attitude make him a valuable asset to public works. [snorts] The department is stronger, [clears throat] more efficient, and a

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better place because of Michael Fabber. Congratulations [snorts] to Michael for being selected as the June employee of the month. And so I do have to tell you before you applaud a little bit, they they give me a script. I could sometimes I know the person real enough that I could do this probably

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just ad lib. But [snorts] um the story about Hurricane Milton and we have some other people involved in this too that may not be employee of the month but it's to their credit also. Um you got to remember we had two hurricanes and they were two weeks apart. And so these

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public works folks, they don't just respond to the hurricane. There's the week or week and a half leading up to the hurricane where they're going around securing everything, getting all the trash cans picked up, emptying everything, you know, picking up loose stuff, making sure everything. So, for a

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week or week and a half before a storm, they're out there at all hours of the day and night. Then there's actually a storm, which is probably the quietest quietest part because there's nothing to do. [snorts] As soon as that storm passes, they're out on the street and

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they start and it's non-stop day and night. I don't know how many hours a day they put in, but but it's non-stop. And this goes on for a long period of time. Well, two hurricanes in a row. [snorts] So the first one we largely were able to

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get past, but then they had to go put all that stuff back that they picked up [snorts] only to go out the next day and pick it all back up again because another hurricane is coming. [snorts] And so, um, when I first got to know Mike was after Hurricane Milton and I

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think we were cutting trees or filling sandbags or something and these guys remember that. And and, uh, I won't go into his background because I don't know what he wants me to tell you and what what he doesn't, but he is absolutely a leader. Um, took charge.

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These guys were going on running on empty, no gas in a tank. They'd been working like crazy hours. Um, and Mike just like he's like this. I don't think his pulse gets above 70 no matter what. So, um, anyhow, thank you for your

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service. I'm glad to see you here. Um, I see you got a haircut for the occasion. [laughter] >> I made a speech, [snorts] but um, you know, when you for me to stand up here and you look at it from the 10,000 foot level, um, I'm the one being recognized.

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Obviously, um I cannot beat up here because when you get on the ground level and you open the hood, um you see all the moving parts that come with this. I don't think I've been in any position where uh there

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isn't one section of the city that has involved. Um utilities, uh obviously streets and grounds are are always together. >> [snorts] >> the police department, the fire

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department, um the sewer department, everybody is is a team when you open the hood at the ground level. Um so it I'm privileged to be up here in front of you guys to represent them. Um and

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and I thank everybody for giving me this um this privilege to be up here um and represent the city and represent everything that public works stands for. Okay. Well, thank you for all your work. [applause]

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[applause] All right, this is Mrs. Mike. Come on up. >> I did not. All right, let's get your team up. One [clears throat] >> can still see. Okay, you're good.

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Thank you. Okay. One, two, three. Thanks. [applause] Okay. Uh, next item of business is consideration of the minutes from our July 7th council meeting. Uh, is there a motion to approve the minutes?

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>> Some move. >> A second. >> Motion a second. Discussion or corrections to the minutes? If not, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Opposed? No. Nays. Minutes are adopted. Persons wishing to be heard on items not listed on the agenda or items

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on the consent agenda. Uh requests to address the mayor and council are on the little table in the back of the room. Uh if you'd like to address the council and haven't filled one out already, there's time. Please complete it and give it to the city clerk to my left. Uh we have a

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30 minute time limit at this portion of the meeting, which we rarely exceed. If we do, uh, we discontinue the public comment section of the meeting and we pick that back up at the end of the meeting. That's to enable us to get through the agenda. Uh, that rarely

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happens, but I like to read that in case it does. Uh, there's a threeminut time limit imposed on all speakers. We ask that you come to the podium, state your name and city of residence. You can't stand in your seat and shout out, unfortunately. >> [snorts] >> Uh during public comment, I do like to

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assure everybody that their staff and the count and the elected officials do take your items seriously and we do follow up. Although it probably will not be in the meeting tonight, um we generally ask the staff to circle back with us and and circle back to you and discuss the situation and then let us

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know the outcome. So we do uh follow up on these. So I have a number of requests to speak. The first one is Mr. Lo. Good evening, sir. >> Good evening. >> [snorts] >> uh Charles Lo Terrace Park. And first of all, it's nice to see so many people

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here tonight. And secondly, I wanted to announce that the library sale was $1,478. So, uh so realize that it is going pretty well. There are two other items I wanted today. I turned 75, which is why I have this little thing with me

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tonight. >> Congratulations. And um I bought it not just to show it off, but to uh make a couple of points with it. Uh number one, that in turning 75, I've not used uh my Medicare benefits for the 10 years that I've had

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them. I see no purpose in doing it. I see this as money going to our younger generations who I will be talking about when it comes to property tax reform. [snorts] Um uh we do have to think about our younger generations when it comes to

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local government. Uh I tend to come to a very simple conclusion that a no vote on the property tax reform is a yes vote for our younger generations. No, especially the zoomers. Why is that? because of the fact that uh our younger generations

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will be most affected by uh by being the hired or laid off or something like that. And also that uh they will uh need the social services to get started in life more than other more than other people might who are more established.

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And I think it's a very important principle. this nation uh a month ago uh turned 250 and if we want 250 more years we got to start thinking about our younger generations and dealing with our younger generations.

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Uh if the [clears throat] Another thing is that I noticed this very significant legal change within the ballot uh when I last looked at it a couple of times and I recall that when the tax uh when the all transit tax was occurring it cost

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the taxpayers a quarter of a billion dollars that's with a B not an M a quarter of a billion dollars to deal with the legal fees and I think to myself gee I wonder how much it's going to cost uh if they have to just to clarify what it is that they want on the

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ballot. Uh I'm not even sure because it's tremendous difference in the wording from what I could tell. I'm not even a lawyer. Uh so I do think I do feel that people need uh help but I do think that they'd be better off to do it within their

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local government that they come to the meetings be active and you know and you might be surprised when I heard July 28th a few things that kind of surprised me on how well you all do for yourselves on dealing with the

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budget on the second reading on it. Anyway, I think that's pretty much what I have to say for now and um thank you all and good evening, >> Mr. Lo. Happy birthday, >> Annette Renie. Yes, give him a round of applause. It's his 75th birthday. We can

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do better than that. [applause] >> All right. I didn't want to take that out of your three minutes. So, Annette Renie Annette Renie, um, Temple Terrace. I'm here to discuss Christmas. I know that when I moved here

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in the late 80s, the 56th Street corridor was Americanized and it had shops and restaurants of American style. And the first Christmas was beautiful.

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All the 56th Street was decorated. Now, I know you've come to a [clears throat] decision to decorate the redevelopment, but that's apartments and grocery stores. Is there any way we can go

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backwards and use those decorations to decorate 56 Street, which is from Fowler up? I mean, that's our main street and

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to not decorate that to me is not fair. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Renie. Lucas Hutchkins. And then as you make your way to the podium is Angel Haya. Is that am I saying that correctly? You, Mr. Hya? >> Hia.

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>> Hia. Are you donating your time to Mr. Hutchkins? >> Yes. You do realize that that will preclude you from taking time to address the council. >> I can only hope. >> Okay. [laughter] All right. In that case, Mr. Hutchkins, uh, Madame Clerk, that means four minutes. And Okay. Very

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good. Mr. Hutchkins, you have four minutes. >> My name is Lucas Hutchkins and I live in the Riverrun [snorts] subdivision. And if many people know me as Mr. Christmas, I take Christmas very seriously. We have 142 days until Christmas. And my biggest thing is is

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that worries me is that I'm happy that you guys have finally considered bringing some decorations to Temple Terrace by putting it in the redevelopment. But that that's really it's like tacky because the development is such a disaster. I mean, we want to see the decorations as we're driving through. We want to be like Plant City.

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Plant City, they decorate the main streets. It's beautiful and people come to see it. We want people to come to Temple Terrace to see our amazing city, but it's not amazing if we're not decorating our main street. 56th Street is where the decorations need to be going down 56th Street and Bush

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Boulevard and Bullard. I know that we can't put them on the Tiko poles, but we can put them on the black poles, but some of them have outlets, some of them don't have outlets. So, that's something the public works need to take care of. We need to have outlets put on the pole so we can put the decorations there. They need to be seen when people are coming through. You know, Christmas

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brings the community together. You know, it's not just a holiday. It's a fun thing. People like to come and look at Christmas lights. I I do the big Mecca display in the Riverrun subdivision, the Temple Terrace light show. And I take it very seriously every year. People, thousands of people come through every year to see the display and and it's

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joyful. Everybody has so much fun to see the Christmas lights. We hand out hot chocolate. We give out cookies and it's a big thing of the city and that's what I want to see the city do. I shouldn't be doing all the work. The city needs to be doing something. Yes, we have the winter wonderland, but that's one day and it really is kind of just a let down. It's very disappointment. It's the

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same thing every single year. There needs to be change. We need to have something to bring people in. I mean, I've been to the winter wonderland every year and it's it's really a let down, you know. The Christmas tree is pretty sad, you know. And then the Christmas tree inside city hall is the most saddest tree. It looks like somebody pulled it out of the dumpster. I mean,

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it's sad, you know. It's We have to put enfamus into We have to care as a city. We want to bring people here. We want to bring restaurants. We want to bring shops, but you have to have something for those people to come to. I mean, the city is very depressing a lot of the time. You know, it's I want to see change. It's sad to see what the city

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looks like. It never was like this. I mean, I've been here for 20 years and it gets worse every year, you know, and I and it's sad that we have to go outside of Temple Terrace to go see the Christmas lights and see different things and and do community events. I mean, you guys need to go to Plant City and see what Plant City does there.

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They're another small town and they make us look embarrassed. I mean, we we are nothing like them. I mean, they do so much. They have a Christmas parade and everybody gets out and has a blast. We don't do that kind of stuff here. We're afraid to use the word Christmas into terroris and I think it's the most ridiculous thing. It's Christmas. You don't have to bring religion into

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Christmas, but you can just celebrate Christmas. I mean, we have to change the name for everything because we're so afraid to use that word. I'm not afraid of Christmas. Christmas is Christmas. It's a time to bring joy to the community. And it doesn't have to be about religion, you know, and then yeah, it just we need to do the more

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decorations and and we need to put it together. I mean, the tree in in city hall was just sad. I mean, it wasn't even decorated. I mean, there's just no plan to anything. I mean, and then the Christmas tree over in the park was there was like three little bals on it and a few little pieces of tinsel. I

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mean, a blind person could have done better. I mean, it's sad. It's like we have the decorations and if we don't, we have the money to get the decorations. I mean, Tipple Terrace has the money and I think $50,000 spending on the Christmas thing is pretty sad. I mean, the city can the city has more money than that to

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spend. I mean, we pay the property taxes that we're paying in Triple Terrace. I mean, they've gone up way significantly over the years. I know my property taxes have gone through the roof because I refinanced at my house and my house is worth way more than it was. So, the city's bringing in the revenue. We've got the revenue from Amazon when, you know, they gave us all that money and

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then from the VA. I mean, we've got and all the Horton houses that were built, we've got tax revenue coming in. We can spend some money on some Christmas decorations and bring some joy to the city. So, the money is not the issue. And yes, we have the black poles. I know the Tiko thing has always been an issue where we can't put things on the Tikico

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poles. Well, we have the city black poles. So, we can put the decorations down a majority of 56th Street and some of Bush Boulevard and some of Bullard. Those black poles are there. I just don't think it's a good idea to put these decorations inside the in the downtown. I want to see it throughout the whole city. So,

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thank you, >> Alakasi. Cassie >> [clears throat] >> Good evening, mayor, city council members. I'm Alec Cassie and I'm have I've had the privilege of serving the residents of Temple Terrace as a

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firefighter for six years. I also have the honor of serving as a vice president of the Temple Terrace Professional Firefighters, IFFF Local 2160. I'm here tonight to explain why the firefighters who serve this community support the 2026 general obligation

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public safety bond. When most people hear the words new fire station, it's easy to think of just another municipal building. But a fire station is much more than that. It's where firefighters and paramedics plan, [clears throat] prepare, and stand ready

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for every hour of every day to serve our neighbors when they need us most. It's where life-saving equipment is maintained and ready to respond at a moment's notice. It's where school children visit on field trips, neighbors stop by to have their blood pressure

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checked, and families get to know the firefighters who serve their community. Most importantly, it's where firefighters respond from when your family calls 911. The 2026 bond isn't simply about constructing another building. It's about expanding Temple Terrace's ability

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to protect the people who call this city home. Today, there are parts of Temple Terrace where the emergency crews have farther to travel. In the area where fire station 3 is response times are 8 minutes and 29 seconds 90%

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of the time. The purpose of a third fire station isn't to give firefighters another building. It's to place emergency resources closer to the people who need them. and strengthen emergency coverage across the entire city. As firefighters, we've seen firsthand that oftent times

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seconds can make the difference between life and death. Whether it's a house fire, a cardiac arrest, or another life-threatening emergency, getting the right people and equipment to the right place at the right time matters.

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That's why we believe investing in emergency response infrastructure is really an investment in the safety of the community. The firefighters of Temple Terrace aren't supporting this bond because it's about us. We're supporting it because it's about the families who serve who we serve every day and the communities we

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took an oath to protect. Every resident will make their own decision on August 18th, and we respect that. We simply wanted to share the perspective of the men and women who answer the calls, respond to emergencies, and proudly serve the city every day. We're asking residents to

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vote yes for a safer temple terrace. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Hassie. Ronnell Mallister Ronell Mallister >> Good evening handshake there. >> Hi, uh Denell Mallister, Temple Terrace.

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Um I have three quick points. One uh is America 250. So this year we observe the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence and um I just would like us to see some kind of recognition for

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that. Uh whether it be a resolution or maybe some banners uh with flags patriotic. I was in Brooksville recently and they had some really wonderful America 250 decorations. Just some little banners. Be great if we could at

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least put that up by Veterans Day. Number two, um I'd just like to say thank you to all the city um staff that were involved in the parade for Independence Day. It was hot, but it was

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a great parade and I know it's a lot of effort on behalf of the the staff and I just like to thank you all for continuing that tradition and uh pulling it off in the heat. And on that note, I would just like to say I it really hurt me to see the uh police out in black

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uniforms. I just know it had to be really really really really really hot for them. I don't know if anybody's ever said that before. I see some people looking towards the back. Um I'd be happy to chip in if you considered going to a light blue shirt at least.

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You know, I' I'd chip in on that. All right. And then I'd just like to add my um comment about uh yes uh Christmas decorations. Um I when I moved here 20 years ago, that was something that was really appealing and attractive to us. And it's

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really sad that we have [clears throat] have had nothing. So I'd really like us to get back to that. And I do agree with the the folks who said that just in the um plaza is is really not what we're looking what what I'm what [snorts] I would like to see. And thank you to each

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of you for your service. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Vice Mayor and members. And you, sir. Thank you, >> Miss Mallister. Karen Mahowski. >> Good evening. >> Evening. Uh Karen Maholski, Temple Terrace. Um I'm just making a comment

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and give additional information. And um Councilwoman Fernandez made a really good point during the July 6 uh budget workshop. And what it was about was about the firefighters um um [music] it's called uh something out gear um that has PAS in it. And my job uh I'm a

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support chemist and I uh work for a company that we actually test for PAS. So I'm very familiar with this, been doing it for 10 years. And I would just urge that when you are making budget considerations that PAS PFAS

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is just one compound and there are many derivatives hundreds of them probably even now thousands of them that are regulated. This is a new chemical. The government just isn't quite there. So, I would really recommend that not just

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taking a marketing label that when you are choosing uh equipment that it is third-party tested and when you're looking at thirdparty testing, you're making sure that that third party isn't being financially supported by the company who manufactures it. Nonprofits

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are also a great resource for um this testing. Um, and then continuing on the PAS and our water, I I um have had candidates reach out to me and may ask, "Hey, what is going on at Temple Terrace? I heard your water can't be,

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you know, isn't good. It's not safe." And I clarify and say, "No, it is that our water is safe to drink. It meets the EPA regulations. And if anyone might be a bit concerned, you can get a Brida filter with the

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elite a Brida filter with the elite filter that will take 98.4% of your PAS out. Again, it's just going to be the PFAS. There's so many others. But again, the amount in our water is extremely low. Very, very extremely low

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as a compared to say New Jersey, Pennsylvania. It is really minute. And if you evaluate where you can have PAS come and contact you, food from China is

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in the hundreds of thousands. That right there I would be concerned of. I personally don't eat that. Um, so I really would like the clarification. I'm not sure if the city can do anything, but it seems that our our neighbors and our community still doesn't believe that

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our water is safe, and it is. as compared to it is very convenient to have bottled water. Bottled water is regulated by the FDA. The FDA has no requirements for any of these chemicals.

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No testing, no requirements. It is different. Your EPA regulated water is much safer. Thank you. >> Thank you, Scott Brooks. >> Scott, I'm sorry. I'm calling the next speaker. >> Oh, Scott Brooks. And while Mr. Brooks

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makes his way to the podium. This is the last request I have from the public currently. If you'd like to address the council, now would be a great time to go fill out that form and bring it to the city clerk. I just wanted to take a moment. I'm police officer here. I've been here for

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17 years and just want to take a moment and say thank you to the mayor and the uh city council for your recognition and our new contract upcoming in that vote coming up. So, just want to take a minute as a representative of our union, Fraternal Order Police, just to say

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thank you very much. That's it. >> Thank you, Mr. Brooks. Are there other members of the public who wish to address the council at this time? I don't see anybody running towards the table, so I'm going to take that as a no. Okay, very good. Uh, next up is a

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consent agenda. Council, is there a motion to approve the consent agenda? >> Move to approve. >> Second. All those in favor say I. >> I opposed. No naysay. The consent agenda consent agenda is adopted. >> Uh next item is a public hearing and

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second reading of ordinance 1597 amending section 1-103 the definition section. section 1-104, the enforcement procedure section, and 1-105,

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the schedule of violation and penalties. I will open the public hearing, and our code compliance director, Jack Shanks, is here to explain. >> It I know technical stuff. I get it. All right. Uh, good evening, mayor, council

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members. Jack Shanks, code compliance. >> The item before you tonight is a proposed amendment to chapter one of the city code that would update verbiage, add applicable code sections to the table of class 2 violations, and establish a new class 4 violation category within our existing civil citation framework. I want to begin by

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emphasizing one key point that this amendment is not intended to generate revenue. The purpose of this update is to improve citywide adherence to codes that already exist and are already enforceable today. What this amendment does is allow certain repeatable violations to be addressed more

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effectively and more immediately through civil citation rather than relying solely on longer notice driven enforcement processes. The first change we've made is to provide the definition of of itinerant or transient in nature in section 1-103

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which reads temporary mobile or impermanent infractions or activities that can move locations exist for a short duration or are capable of being remedied and then repeated on the same day. The definition provides a clear-cut meaning to reduce the chances of misinterpretation by staff or residents

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now or in the future. The phrase is inserted into section 1-104 subsection D. This allows for the inclusion of violations that could be complied with and then recur quickly. It includes violations such as yard parking or commercial vehicles in residential areas as well as certain violations

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relating to the short-term rental program where the renters change frequently. We have incorporated the addition of subsection L into section 1-104. This new subsection introduces an escalation procedure for certain code sections identified in section 1-105's

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schedule of violations. To best explain this existing and new procedure, [clears throat] I'll run through the standard escalation process first. In keeping with our already established enforcement process, any courtesy notice or citation will be directed to the

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property owner against the property. An initial violation with few exceptions will result in a courtesy notice with a reasonable correction period as well as an attempt at direct contact from the code compliance team to determine if assistance is needed. If non-compliance is exhibited or if the violation results

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in initial compliance followed by a pattern of non-compliance, escalation to citation will then commence. Following the issuance of a courtesy notice and a correction period, a first citation will be issued which is designed to serve as a meaningful prompt for compliance while still allowing the responsible party an

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opportunity to correct the issue. The higher fine for repeat offenses reflects the fact that continued non-compliance occurs after notice and enforcement action has already taken place. This approach aligns with the city's graduated enforcement philosophy by distinguishing between initial

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violations and repeated disregard of the code and by encouraging long-term compliance rather than repeated corrective cycles. If compliance is achieved, no further fines are imposed. Now, the supplemental escalation process. We have reinvisioned the

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standard escalation process to allow additional time for certain violations. As I alluded to earlier, this provides more opportunity for initial correction while still allowing for more effective long-term results. As in both the standard escalation and current enforcement board processes, a courtesy

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notice will be uh will be provided to a property owner noting the violation and will then be accompanied by an appropriate correction period. Whereas in the standard process, a citation would be issued. In the supplemental process, an initial vi notice of violation would be issued that would

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also have an appropriate correction period. If still not corrected, a final notice of violation with an accompany correction period would be issued. Following continued non-compliance, we would have exhausted all low-level methods of achieving compliance and a

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citation would then be issued. To reiterate, the overall intention is to avoid reaching the citation level, thereby achieving voluntary compliance at the lowest level possible. The overwhelming majority of our residents do comply voluntarily. Our co-compliance officers are

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authorized to issue citations only for those violations specifically listed in the schedule of violations and penalties. The violations proposed for inclusion under class 2 and the new class 4, as you see here, are all existing code provisions. nothing new is being prohibited. The challenge we

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encounter with these types of violations is that most are easily repeatable and under our current enforcement structure, there is little immediate incentive for sustained compliance. This becomes an irritant for neighbors and businesses who abide by the city's code yet witness a drawn out compliance process for

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violators, which in the case of the code sections proposed this evening, should have achieved the compliance immediately. You'll note that several code sections have asterisks. These are the codes that will receive the supplemental enforcement escalation that includes the courtesy notice, notice of violation,

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and final notice of violation. In practice, we often see the same violations uh violation types recur after temporary correction, which creates ongoing neighborhood impacts and increased staff time without achieving long-term resolution. This ordinance update is intended to

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change that dynamic. By allowing civil citations for these specific violations, the city can encourage quicker and more consistent compliance, reduce repeat violations, and ultimately reduce the need for prolonged enforcement cases. The goal is behavioral correction, not punishment. And the intent is not to

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issue citations indiscriminately, but to provide officers with an additional tool when voluntary compliance has proven ineffective or when immediate uh correction is necessary. This is a breakdown of all the municipal code enforcement board cases for the past year. What you see here includes

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only the violation types that were presented to the MCB over 13 months. There were well over 4,000 cases created in that same time frame, but these 129 cases were the ones that actually required MCEB attention. As an example, please look at the very first violation

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type on the chart, grass, weeds, underbrush. You can see that over the span there were 661 total cases. Out of those cases, 653 complied at either the courtesy notice or notice of violation. Eight out of those 661 cases received

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notice of hearing and were subsequent subsequently presented to the board. For the ease of viewing, I've placed the violation types where we've introduced in this ordinance for citation at the top. Those with the asterisks are the ones with the supplemental escalation process requirement.

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In these code sections or if these code sections had received citations, a total of 52 cases would have been removed from the MCEB. It is also very likely with the knowledge of facing a citation, a good number of these would have complied voluntarily instead of requiring a citation being issued, which is actually

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the goal. Removing those cases, there still would have been 77 cases for the board to have heard. So over the 13 months, that would have been approximately six cases per month being presented. In summary, this ordinance strengthens our ability to enforce the codes already

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on the books, improves compliance outcomes, and supports neighborhood stability without expanding regulation or creating new prohibitions. Uh, staff recommends approval. Happy to answer any questions. >> Thank you, Mr. Shanks. Are there members of the public who wish [clears throat] to comment on this item?

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>> Seeing none, council member questions. [snorts] Council member Kravitz, >> thank you for the presentation. and I appreciate uh it's nicely put together. Um I have one question which is regarding the written policy about the escalation process. >> Yes,

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>> this came up um previously and uh will that be circulated to city council or posted online so that the public can look at it when it's ready? >> We can absolutely do that. Um I have a draft [clears throat] here. Um it's pretty good. Okay. >> Uh once once uh everything is approved, I'll I'll circulate it through and we

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can get it out to everybody. >> Thank you. That [clears throat] was my question. and I appreciate you. >> I just had one minor question and then I'm not trying to slice and dice and rearse it, but class two, which is worse, class two or class 4? >> Well, class two is uh it escalates. So,

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the class two are are lesser fines. >> Okay. Okay. Class 4 in my mind based upon the the penalties was uh more of a serious infraction, more concern. Just curious, why was the swimming pools put as a class 4? I'm sorry. Why?

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>> Swimming pool violations are put as a class 4. >> Because there it's it's important. It's something that can be impacted immediately. Um we we drive up to a house and uh that the fence is knocked down. That's something we need to impact very very quickly due to the safety for children.

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>> Agreed. But isn't isn't a four more serious than than a two? >> Oh, I apologize. Um no, the reason that it's it's a two is due to the fine amount. Typically when we run into uh the swimming pools um it's not something that is going to uh something's done on

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purpose. It's something that has happened. Okay. And we need them to respond quickly. Okay. Um typically we're going to run into a situation where we give them the uh the notice of violation or the courtesy notice in that regard and it's going to be fixed immediately anyway. >> I know there's only three. I was it's just a curious question. Okay. I'm fine.

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>> Council member Fernandez. >> I I have one. So, pick a really transient violate. Let's um yard parking. Let's just say yard parking can be fixed in 30 seconds. You go out, move your car,

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>> right? >> Um so, let's just say somebody is parking in their yard and they you go knock on the door and tell them, "Hey, you're parked in your yard. You got to move your car." They move the car. Okay.

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Walk me through what happens. They park in the yard every day. So, tell me the enforcement process. I mean, when do they get warned? At what point do you go up and give them a citation? I mean, tell walk me through the steps of how

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you would escalate that. >> Sure. So, for a yard parking, for example, uh we would approach the property just like we do now. We would uh knock on door, make a phone call, try to get hold of them somehow. If we can't make contact, we're going to leave a door hanger that states this is a

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courtesy notice. That is the warning. That is the courtesy notice. From there, they're going to have a period of time, typically 7 to 10 days. Um, now, we want that to happen very, very quickly, obviously, immediately. And that's we're going to put we're going to put, please fix this immediately. Past that 7 to 10 days, it's going to move, it's going to

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escalate to the notice of violation. That's where the enforcement escalates. They're going to get another 7 to 10 days for that. Once that occurs uh and they they don't comply, they'll receive the citation. Now, following the citation, should they still not comply, we move to a second citation and a third

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citation and it's subsequent after that. >> Okay? So, that would turns out this is a good example because suppose you go up, you leave the door hanger, they move the car, two days later they put the car back, which is what we're trying to

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address, >> correct? Two days later, they put the car back. What happens then? Because the first violation was cured. This is now a new violation. How do we deal with this? >> It's the same violation. >> It's the same violation. >> It's the same violation. So, they would receive the uh the courtesy notice.

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They're they are told uh you cannot park here. This is why you cannot park here. Here's the the code that that specifies this. Um and they're given the education right there on the spot. Now, there are going to be extended wing services where somebody is parking there for a reason.

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Um, maybe temporarily they have to get something into the house. Not a problem. Just move it when you're finished. >> Sticking with the person that's going to that's playing games with the system like I'm going to move the car, put it back, move the car, put [clears throat] it >> to that's a violation. The violation is parking in your yard. So, we give them

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the courtesy notice. Two days later, they park in the grass again. A week later, they park in the grass again. Now, they get a notice of violation. So the escalation moves like that. So what eventually they're going to start getting the the actual citations. >> And is there a point in this process

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where there's no more notices? They get your first action is okay, this person gets a citation at any point now. >> Once a violation occurs, they have five years. There's a five-year period once that violation occurs that they cannot

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recur that again. That's that's standard right now. [clears throat] So, it's all right. I got you. Thank you, council members. Other questions? Okay. Thank you. If there are no other questions, I'll close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of

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the ordinance. An ordinance of the city council of Temple Terrace, Florida, amending the City of Temple Terrace Code of Ordinances, Chapter 1, General Provisions, Article 2, Code Enforcement, Division 3, Supplemental Enforcement

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Procedures by amending Section 1-103 by amending section 1-104D by creating section 1-104 L by amending amending section 1-105B

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and by creating section 1-105D providing for severability providing for conflicts providing for inclusion in the temple terrace code of ordinances providing an effective date. >> Thank you madam clerk. Is there a motion

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to approve on second reading? >> Move to approve on second reading ordinance 1597. Amending section 1-103 definition section 1-104 enforcement procedures and 1-105

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schedule of violations and penalties. >> Second motion and second discussion of the motion. Council member Kravitz >> just do have one comment on it. Um in a few minutes we're going to be addressing commercial vehicles. That's part of this ordinance that we're voting on right

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now. When we approve this, we're about to go and amend it again potentially. And um I think we will have some discussion about the um number and size of commercial vehicles that's being proposed that might be permitted uh in

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people's uh driveways uh going forward. So uh when we vote yes on this, it's on a classification of weight that's much lower than the one that's going to be up for discussion shortly. So, I just want to mention that so that everyone is

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aware of this fact and then as we go to discuss the other one, we can be aware that we're passing a a code revision right now that we're about to amend. So, I I do like this revision and I think it's a good step forward and I think that a lot of these transient ordinances

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have been troublesome. So, it's good that we're getting to grips with that and I I do look forward to receiving the uh uh the staff policy about the escalation process and that for that to be made public because in the past um that's always been a bit of a contentious point for many residents

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about who gets what level of warning and who might get more or less uh leeway. [snorts] So, having that all public and transparent is a really positive step. And I just want to commend code enforcement um and director Shanks for their effort in that direction and

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making sure that everyone plays by the same rules here. So, thank you. I yield. >> Other comments on the motion? Mr. Shanks, would you clarify something for us, please? because I have a different understanding and I don't know if I'm

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if we amend the commercial vehicle ordinance which we are as council member Kravitz pointed out we're contemplating soon I don't the way I understood the presentation this would not need to be amended because this would just deal

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with enforcement of violations >> of that code correct >> so this wouldn't be amended if we amend that? >> No, because the the code number isn't changing. The the code is the code. Um that number is in um the ordinance I just presented. Uh the number's not

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changing. So, whatever is in the the new uh amendment for the commercial vehicles is what we're going to be enforcing regardless. >> Okay. Okay. Because I mean the point is well taken. I don't want to do this if we're going to come right come right back to it. That's

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>> right. There there's no changes to this. >> Okay. Very good. Other discussion of the motion? Council member Kravitz, >> just briefly clarify. I I wasn't saying that we're going to amend this section. I was saying this the section that this section refers to is what we're about to amend. So, it'll have sort of an amplifying effect if we then go and

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change the provision that the penalties apply to. That was all. >> Okay. All those in favor say I. >> I. I. >> Opposed? No. Nays. Uh ordinance is adopted on second reading. Thank you, Mr. Shanks. So, next item is a public

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hearing and second reading of ordinance 1598 creating code chapter 20 article 4 speed zone enforcement program. And I'll open the public hearing. We have two presenters. Our deputy city attorney Nicole Donnell and oh it changes up on

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me. It's the police chief is going to join her tonight. Okay. And police chief Staley. Good evening. >> Good evening Mayor, city council members. Tonight we are bringing a proposed ordinance before you for a second time. This ordinance allows for the use and implementation of speed

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detection systems within school zones here in Temple Terrace. The ordinance is titled School Speed Zone Enforcement Program and Speed Detection Systems. Florida statute section 316.1896 authorizes local governments to use

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speed detection systems to enforce speed limits in school zones during specified hours. specifically when school is in session. This statute also authorizes the city to issue notices of violation when a person drives at a greater speed than that which is posted in a school zone.

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Chapter 316 of Florida statute requires a traffic study to be conducted where a speed detection system is being considered and proposed. Resulting data must be considered before a speed detection system can be implemented. A traffic study was conducted in February

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of this year and data shows there is a heightened safety risk in five specific school zones within Temple Terrace. Those five schools are Greco Middle School, Woodmont Charter School, Temple Terrace Elementary School, Lewis Elementary School, and River Hills

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Elementary Magnet School. The police department has determined that implementing speed detection systems in these five school zones are in the best interest of the city. Chapter 316 allows a local hearing officer to conduct hearings on violations that are issued.

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The local hearing officer will be a licensed Florida attorney. Assuming this ordinance passes, the local hearing officer will be compensated on a flat fee basis from the violations that are assessed. Money is paid from the violations. The ordinance before you is modeled after surrounding cities

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including the city of Tampa and Hillsboro County. By having the speed detection system ordinance in our city code, the police department will effectively enforce the speed enforcement in those five school zones. I will be here for questions and I will turn it over to Chief Staley who will

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also be able to provide additional information on implementation. >> Let's go now. Chief, >> good evening. >> Since the last county city council meeting, staff has evaluated the concerns raised by the mayor and raised by uh council member Fernandez. Um staff

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originally planned to use the piggyback purchasing process uh which would have been an acceptable procurement process. However, the requested changes uh that were recommended represent a significant departure from the plant plantation agreement. Um that as a result staff can no longer use this agreement for this

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project. Staff will instead issue a request for proposals to develop a contract that addresses the concern raised by council and the city's requirements for the project. This will address all of the concerns regarding data sharing uh data deletion everything that we talked about in the last uh

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council meeting. So all of your concerns will be address will be addressed. Um we recommend that you approve and uh implement uh the ordinance and this will result in us publishing the RFP which

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will be posted for 30 to 60 days and we will evaluate all the companies that make presentations. >> Thank you chief. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item? Okay, seeing none, council member questions. Start down this. Council

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member Fernandez. >> So, I have a couple questions. Um, the first being the school zone markings or the delineation that identify the time when a school zone is active. Um, who

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who manages those markings? Because I mean I I obviously still know when school starts. However, a few years from now when I really am disconnected from school, there's a lot of people driving around that have no connection

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to a school. They don't have any idea what time school zones are active. Who's going to maintain that information to make sure that it is well marked and well noticed to drivers?

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>> Absolutely. So, uh, great question. The signage that's out there now will be replaced with new signage that indicates that there's speed zone, uh, cameras in in use. When and when that does happen, it will be updated and have proper uh, flashing so that way they they know what what times are being enforced.

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>> So, who's going to actually control the flashing the time? >> The company that installs the the actual flashing light. So, whatever company we do choose will be responsible for maintaining the the signage. >> Okay. So um what about and we we talked

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about this at the last meeting and it was that for city of Temple Terrace was planning our enforcement would be only operational during the times of active school zone the flashing light times

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>> right >> um and [clears throat] I wondered at that time if it's possible for that to actually be written into the ordinance versus being a policy. I didn't see it actually in that that I didn't see that

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verbiage actually in the ordinance. And my concern is that over time these can grow. And if we're looking to create safety and change behavior during

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specific school zone active times, I want to make sure that it doesn't accidentally grow and change. And if it's in the ordinance itself, it would have to come in front of city

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council for the times to be changed. >> Right? So, it doesn't mention the specific times in the ordinance. But what it does say is that 30 minutes prior to breakfast and then 30 minutes after the start of school is when that morning is enforced. Also, in the evening or in the after after school, it

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would be 30 minutes prior to dismissal and 30 minutes after dismissal. So, we could call out the times individually, but >> No, I wasn't. I I just was wanting to make sure that that is actually part of the ordinance itself and not part of the

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policies or or the and I and I just didn't see the 30 minutes after school started. So, okay. Um, that is I think all I wanted to ask. >> Yes, mirror. Thank you. Um, and the last

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meeting you walked us through this, but I'd like to do it again. So, someone's going too fast during school zone time and the camera records their license and everything. And does it take a picture of the driver also or just it goes with the car? >> Just the rear of the vehicle.

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>> Okay. So, the citation will go to the owner of the car. Okay. So, that happens. and one of our officers, will they look at every violation that comes in, looks at the camera picture and everything? >> Yes, sir. >> Is there any verification to make sure

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that even though the let's say the thing flashing light was mistimed or schools closed that day for whatever reason that uh they verify the days and the times. >> Yes. As part of the workflow, that's one of the responsibilities of the officers. They verify that the day that the that

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the school was in session, they verify the times that were uh designated for that day before the prior to issuing any citation. >> Okay. Thank you. That's all I have. Council member. >> Yeah. Um you answered the question about who be who who actually do be doing the monitoring. That'll be part of the RFP.

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I'm sure >> you know for for the individual companies. But then what about the data retention? So the data retention uh as of right now uh we're writing the RFP uh that that it will clearly establish the data retention period and require a

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permanent deletion of all data once the period expires. Uh the vendor will also provide a survey and evaluation of the process and measure the program's effectiveness at 6 months, one year and annually thereafter. So um the the data retention that we set is what what the company has to follow.

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>> Okay. And the only other thing was setting the times for the uh when when the cameras will be active. I'm glad you're putting it. I'm glad you worded it the way it was worded in the ordinance because they change bell schedules all the time. Every couple years are changing around. So we'd be re

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we'd be amending that ordinance into adnauseium going forward. So okay, good. I'm okay with it. >> Council member Kravitz. >> Yeah. Thank you. Actually a question for the deputy city attorney. Thank you very much for the introduction. I appreciate that. Uh well

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laid out the statutes. I I found it and I checked and I just wanted to ask where in the ordinance I I I just cannot find it unless you mean is is it section 20-69 um and then it sorry it's um 2069 and then there's one down here where it

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references the Florida statute uh B or is it um had it here a minute ago but where is the speed speed limitation uh the the timing I cannot find it in this ordinance at When you say the timing, are you talking about the >> the enforcement windows? Yeah.

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>> Okay. The so the enforcement windows as chief mentioned um we are allowed to enforce according to the statute there's that 30 minutes before and after breakfast and then school as well. It is not specifically stated in the ordinance. If you all would like it to be in there expressly then that's an

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option. Um but I believe city manager has comment. >> I don't want to take away from your time. I just had wanted to clarify a little bit pick up on what this >> Go ahead. Yeah. So, we were just looking forward to So, that was a little bit of a just a miscommunication. So, we don't find it in the ordinance either, but I

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understand the deputy city attorney says it's in the in the the foundational statute, but I do want to state I understand the council member's concern, but I would would also say that the the contract where we would put that type of language would be in the contract that

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of whatever provider is going to come before you and whatever provider is going to come before future, let's say a future contract with a future city council. they would have the ability written into the contract to change times, things like that. If you didn't feel comfortable, whatever that that's that would be our expectation that we

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write that into the contract. And you're saying yes, right? Confirming that for the record. Yes. >> So, and in fact, we'd probably put that in the RFP that we'd have our requirements would be that we would control the times and that would be delineated in the contract. I think and I I I get [snorts] where you're coming

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from. So, I'm going to say just generally speaking, we typically would recommend that the ordinance be a little bit more flexible >> so that you don't have to amend the ordinance on a frequent basis if things change, contracts change, well, a contract's much easier to amend because it comes up for renewal and things like that rather

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than the ordinance. Uh, but of course that is up to the will of the council. >> I mean, I understand the necessity in keeping statutes applicable to a large number of cases. Um my uh concern about this is that um at least three people up

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on the days have said that they believe that the language is in the statute and it was mentioned today in the minutes uh the mayor also said uh noted that this language is in the ordinance but it isn't. So um I I don't know uh if I like

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that and there seems to be a lot of ambiguity about it. So my inclination right now would be to ask staff to go back and simply incorporate the Florida statute by reference. You can simply make a reference somewhere in this ordinance to section 31618961A

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and then that would address the problem that uh several of us have raised. So that would be my recommendation and I'm happy to make a motion to that effect unless someone else has a better idea about how to address this. I'm not sure if just having it in the contract that

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we ultimately get is going to be uh enough for us to rely on legally, especially for our residents because the residents are going to chiefly be subject to the statute. The contract is between the city and the provider.

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So, um I'm happy to make the motion unless someone else would like to. Otherwise, uh I'll go for it. So, uh, I would like to amend this ordinance 1598 by instructing staff to add a new sentence to section 20-71 to incorporate the Florida statute

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governing enforcement windows by reference. >> Mayor, I saw questions. >> Yeah, I I do too. >> Oh, well, there's a motion. Happy to withdraw it until we've all had our chance to ask questions. >> So, motion's withdrawn. I'll come back to it later.

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>> Do you have any further questions? >> I don't yield the floor. Council member Chambers. Right. So, uh you just heard that dialogue. If we uh address in the ordinance the uh statute in the ordinance, does that uh preclude you

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from uh doing anything later down the road like you were talking about? if we put the statute number in the ordinance and not the times in the ordinance. I'm asking anybody, but that's what council member Kravitz was wanting

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to put the statute number in the ordinance, not the times in the ordinance because if you do that then yes, you have to come back every time you the times change. So would that somebody >> somebody think

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>> um so if we the statute 316.1896 is referenced in the ordinance a few times but not the specific subsection that councilman Kravvis is referencing. So we can put that in the uh ordinance specifically as a reference that's being recommended if that's what you all would

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like. And would that hinder you hinder us any way or future councils? >> No, it would not. >> Thank you. >> Can we get all the way up and down the days of questions? I think we did. So, I I have a question for Council

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Member Kravitz. If just to I'm not opposed to the intent of your motion. I just have a question about it. So, I'm looking at page four of the ordinance, which is section 20-69. And the the last paragraph on there is G

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and it's uniform traffic citation means the citation issued to the registered owner of a vehicle for a school zone speed infraction in the form and including the contents prescribed by sections 3161896 and 31650.

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Um, I I'm not opposed to clarifying further that we don't want these cameras being used to enforce speed outside of the school zone times. But I'm Is that what that says or are we

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I mean referenced a few times in the ordinance but not that specific subsection. >> Okay. So, are there further questions? Council member Fernandez. So I just I want to clarify where where my question was coming from and that is at the last

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meeting it it what I heard and what I understood is that the state statute allows for speed enforcement in school zones anytime school is in session not

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just during the active school arrival and departure times. Is that not allowed by statute? I mean, did I know that you said that we were only going to enforce it during specific

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school arrival and departure times, but I thought that I understood that it could be enforced throughout the day. And that is one of my concerns is that I didn't want it throughout the school day. >> So, I think we're confusing two issues. There's there's the school zone

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enforcement, but there's also the speed enforcement. And so what the other jurisdictions which are 30 minutes prior to breakfast, 30 minutes after uh going to school, 30 minutes prior to dismissal, 30 minutes after dismissal. >> Okay. So my So then what I'm asking is a

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way that it's clarified. I am not asking you to be clear to put 7:15 to 7:45 Lewis Elementary School Zone. I I know that they change uh arrival and departure times every year. I want us to

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be able to delineate the time period, describe the time period that we would be using this for enforcement. meaning the the 30 minutes before the 30 minutes after breakfast, whatever that that description is,

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that's clearly delineated to the arrival and departure times for for the school zone, not and so because my concern is mission creep and that it gets so I'm

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just concerned about it in general being used for more than the originally stated purpose. And I that's what I want to make sure. So that was that's where my question is. That's what I wanted to clarify and that's what I would like to

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see in the language. >> Council member Kravitz's motion will cover all of that when he gets to that. >> Yes. >> But I just wanted to clarify why I was asking the >> section that he proposes to add will cover that. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mueller, >> I [clears throat] just say if we are

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going to add that in and want that actually in the language of this ordinance, my recommendation would be tonight would then be again another first reading and then we would have second reading again in two weeks. Reason being this is a penal type of uh

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ordinance that we're doing. People are going to be penalized by it. I'd rather not have any procedural issue that might uh nullify it. So, I think in an abundance of caution, if we put that language in first reading again tonight and then second reading with the new

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language again. >> Okay. Any further questions? Council member Kravitz. >> Council member Fernandez, do you want to have that motion? >> Well, it's not time for a motion yet. We're in the middle of a hearing. We have to go through a few steps, but

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>> um if there are no other questions, we'll go through those steps real quick and then we'll entertain a motion. Any more questions? Okay. If there are no further questions, I'll close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance. [snorts] An ordinance of the city council of

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Temple Terrace, Florida, creating the city of Temple Terrace Code of ordinances, chapter 20, article 4, titled School Speed Zone Enforcement Program and Speed Detection Systems. Providing for use of speed detection

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systems in accordance with state law. Providing for definitions. Providing for use of local hearing officer. Providing for the designation of school speed detection zone. Providing for severability. Providing for conflicts

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with state law. Providing for codification. Directing that the ordinance be filed with the department of state. Providing for correction of scrier's errors. providing for conflicts, providing an effective date.

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>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. And just I think everybody heard, but just to for whoever makes the motion that if we if it's our intent to add that language, we the motion also needs to include the direction that it be brought back for first reading to council.

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>> Correction, tonight would be first reading. That if we make the motion, it would be first reading tonight. And when we bring it back in two weeks, we'll have second. >> Okay. I didn't understand that. That's what you said, but okay, that's fine. So, that language would need to be in a motion.

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>> Okay. So, we had all this discussion. Are we going to have a motion? >> Right now, we don't even have a motion to adopt. So, that's what >> that's what I'm asking for. >> Wow. Okay. Uh

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we we need a motion if we want to add we can do a number of things here. We can make a motion to approve it as it is. Bring it back and approve it on second reading. If we desire to and I think it's probably a great idea to make a motion to add language to clarify that

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we want this only during school zone times. Then we can add that bullet to the ordinance and direct that it be brought back for second reading. We can do that or we can disapprove it on second reading. I don't know what else we could do. >> Okay. So, let me try this.

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>> Okay. >> All right. [snorts] So, uh, move to approve on first reading of ordinance 1598 creating code chapter 20, article 4, school speed zone enforcement program, adding and I don't know the

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numbers. >> Sorry, this the language that they put in >> adding the language that will be put in that we just discussed. Is that okay? >> Adding that it will only be enforced during times.

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Okay. Adding only I'm not sure that's my intent to add [clears throat] this. Well, well to add the the chap add the U section that we were just talking about that clarifies those times but not adding. >> Does that make sense? Anybody?

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>> It would be section 316 1895. 316 >> 1895 >> 1895 >> adding section 31686 >> 90

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1895 talks about the 30 minutes prior to breakfast time. Um >> I don't think so. >> I have it in front of me right here. Um, according to 3161895,

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paragraph five, it says, "A school speed zone limit may not be less than 15 miles per hour except by local regulation. No school zone speed limit shall be more than 20 miles per hour in an urbanized area. Such speed limit may be enforced

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only during those times 30 minutes before, during, and 30 minutes after the periods of time where pupils are arriving at regularly scheduled breakfast program or regularly scheduled school session and leaving a regularly scheduled school session.

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>> That's 1895. >> City attorney. The section that we're adding is the one relating to breakfast program and so forth. And that is in 3161896. So there might be additional language about arrival and departure and so forth

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in the provision that you've cited, but the specific topic that we've been addressing, which is the breakfast stuff, the starting of the school session and the um 30 minutes and 30 uh 30 minutes before and after the regular end of the school session that is in

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3161896. Okay. Promise. >> Well, we'll make sure that it's clarified that >> I can pass my computer around. You can read it if you want. Could I make a >> Sure, please. >> suggestion to council. >> Also, the deputy city attorney, I

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believe, referenced that statute, too. So, >> I think we all have the same intent here, and we're getting wrapped around the axle on stuff. I think all we're trying to do is to put a a statement in

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the ordinance that says we only want to use these citations during school zone times. >> Yeah. >> I I don't know that it's crucial that we I mean school zone times. If the beacon is flashing,

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that's it. I think we're overthinking this a little bit. I mean, I I I think our intent is that we don't want to do what everybody what not everybody what other cities have done is, you know, okay, the speed limit goes from 15 to 25 and they're still running the cameras.

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We don't want that. We just want this during school zone hours. Can't we just make a motion to approve on first reading >> this with the addition of a sentence that says we only want this done during school zone hours? Let them They'll put

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that in there. It's a simple sentence and then direct them to bring it back for second reading. It's really I think we're >> getting two. >> Okay. >> Um I think the intent we all agree on. >> Say incorporate the relevant Florida statutes by There you go. >> Okay. Well, then we'll argue over which

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is the relevant Florida statutes. >> That's what we've been doing for the last five minutes here. So >> I know. I thought you were going to make a motion. >> I'm trying to >> You made a good motion. I wish you'd just make it again. >> I'm happy to do it. >> Okay. >> Motion. We got motion in the process. Well, we I don't think you ever finished

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the motion. >> I I have no clue what I did. So, um so I will withdraw whatever I did. >> Okay. Would would you like I think what you started out to do at the beginning was good. >> I'm happy to do it. Okay. I'm going to

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do this uh as simply as I can. So, I'll move to adopt uh agenda item 12B with the instruction to staff that the relevant Florida statutes regarding um uh timing windows for enforcement in

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school zones uh be incorporated by reference into the ordinance. >> Second. >> Okay. I think we need to tell them to bring it back for second reading though. Do you mind doing adding that? >> Uh and to bring it back for a second reading at the appropriate time. Good. >> Thank you. second.

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>> Yes, >> we'll need a date certain on the second reading, which would probably be the August 17th. >> Why? >> On August 17th. >> Why is that? >> Because PE we're on the record and we're want people to know when second reading

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is going to be, not we can't use that at the appropriate time. We should use the date. >> Did this make it onto the agenda with a date certain attached? >> I believe that it did. Let's see. Yeah. >> This was made specific for >> second reading always includes a date.

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>> All right. >> All right. When do you want it back then, staff? How much do you need time? >> We can have it back the 17th. >> The 18th. >> 17th. And to to submit it for a second reading on the 17th, then I'll amend it. Okay.

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>> Second. >> Motion. Second. Discussion of the motion. If not, all those in favor say I. I >> opposed. No nays. >> Me. I'm no. >> One. No. Okay. So, ordinance 1598

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creating code chapter 20 article 4 regarding speed zone enforcement is approved now on first reading and will appear for second reading and public hearing on August the 17th. Okay. Thank you, councel. Next item is a public hearing and first reading of an

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ordinance amending land development code sections 12-40 and 12-81 reasonable accommodation procedure for recovery residences. I will open the public hearing and senior planner Alyssa Livingstone will explain. Good evening.

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>> Good evening Mayor and council members. May I have a couple minutes? The laptop closed. Oh, >> nobody seems to be coming to your rescue. Here we go. >> Awesome.

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>> There we go. 26 water. Good evening, mayor and council members. I'm Alyssa Livingstone, senior planner. I'm here to present proposed text amendments to the city's land

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development code. These updates focus on section 1240 definitions and section 1281 reasonable accommodation procedures to ensure compliance with 2026

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Florida statutes regarding the review and approval process for certified recovery residences. Additionally, [clears throat] please note that the Hillsboro County City County Planning

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Commission officially approved these text amendments on June 8th, 2026. These proposed amendments do not introduce a brand new code requirement as the city's reasonable accommodation

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procedures were originally adopted on July 18th, 2017 to comply with state and federal housing mandates. These amendments clarify [snorts] and

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update our existing policies and procedures for reviewing and processing reasonable accommodation request to align with the updated 2026

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Florida statutes. If approved, this text amendment will adopt the statewide definition of certified recovery residences.

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The proposed amendment to section 1281, reasonable accommodation procedures, implements the requirements of section 397.487 487 of the Florida statutes by establishing

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a process for requesting reasonable accommodations from any land development code regulation that may prohibit the establishment of a certified recovery residence.

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In this section, a disabled individual is defined as someone who qualifies as disabled or handicapped under the FHA and or ADA and has a disability as

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defined by section 760.22 of the Florida statutes. These individuals may request reasonable accommodations regarding the city's LDC and procedures as provided by the

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federal fair housing act and title two of the Americans with Disabilities Act. Staff recommends approval of the proposed amendments on first reading and public hearing. Second reading and

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public hearing is scheduled for Monday, August 17th, 2026. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Livingstone. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item? Seeing none, council member questions.

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Questions? Any questions? Council member Fernandez, >> I I do. So, but what I'm what I've read and what you've explained is that basically this is a change that the city

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is required to make in order to be in compliance with state statutes. Is that correct? >> That's correct, Council Member Fernandez. >> Okay. So, I guess I and I'm I get I'm not really understanding what the purpose is behind this because

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we already have um codes that require um you know if somebody comes needs to update their housing to be ADA compliant or something that that's if that's all permissible already. So, what like what

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is so different about this that we need to make a change? Okay. So this these proposed amendments they actually one the first part of it is that it adopts the statewide definition of certified recovery residences. So previously in

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our well I would say currently in our LDC there's no outline definition of certified recovery residence and also there's an um a a streamline process which is established with review time. So we actually the community development

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department or staff we actually have set review times and I could explain it if you like me to. >> Well so um those weren't clear in our LDC. >> Okay. So this is basically that if a an

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organization purchases a residential home and they want to make it a certified recovery residential location. Um that's that is already allowed under uh federal fair fair

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housing requirements all of that. So that existed, but we didn't have a good definition of what that uh to describe that type of unit. >> All right. >> Okay. And why would we? So I just want

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to for anybody who's listening, I just want to, you know, so that they can hear. So, why would we need to have uh more updated description? Because we already do have um in our codes the

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timelines for somebody coming in front of us to modify their home to be ADA compliant. >> All right. So, what this amendment does is that it's it it provides it provides more of a clear outline. So, I could

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explain it if you'd like some more clarification. >> Yeah. if you have a short okay explanation. Yes. >> All right. So, to ensure administrative accountability, the community development staff will date stamp completed applications upon receipt. The

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city manager or their design may request additional information within 30 days of the initial filing. The applicant then has 30 days to provide the requested documentation. Once an application is deemed complete,

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the city has 60 days to issue a final determination. If a request is denied, the city must provide evidence-based reasons for the denial, identifying specific deficiencies or actions required for reconsideration.

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To ensure predictable timelines, the code establishes the 60-day review period as a firm deadline. [clears throat] and failure to meet this deadline results in a deemed approved status unless a written extension is mutually agreed on by both a part by both parties.

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>> Thank you. >> Good evening, council. Greg Paulie, director of community development. Um I just wanted to make sure that we're all talking the same language here. This has nothing to do with um requirements to

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make your home ADA compliant. This has everything to do with state mandate requiring the city to provide relief from traditional land development codes, zoning regulations, and things of that

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nature that benefit someone who needs that relief. Specifically, in this case, they've made recovery residences part of that group that would be eligible for this type of relief. So, I think we may

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have been talking two different languages there at one point and I just want everybody to be on the same page. This tonight's amendment only addresses a standardized definition for uh recovery resence residences throughout

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the state that is adopted by the state and imposed on the communities through mandate and also the application and review process. It formalizes the application and review process which includes the timelines that Miss Livingstone was just discussing.

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>> Thank you. >> Vice Mayor question member sher. >> Can you better define a recovery um residence? >> Um the reference traditionally that is used here is it means she's got the

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definition right here. It says a uh means a residential dwelling unit or other form of group housing that is offered or advertised through any means including oral, written, electronic and printed uh means as a residence that provides peer support, alcohol-f free

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and drug-free living environment. >> Okay. So, we're talking about a rehab facility. >> We're talking we're talking about specifically [clears throat] alcohol uh recovery and drug recovery. >> Okay. like the like the residence we had or the building that was done on uh uh

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South River Hills. >> Okay. Yes, sir. >> All right. That's I thought because it's now we're getting a little I was getting a little confused with what you were saying because that's not as I understood it. Okay. All right. Back to where I was. All right. >> Thank you, Council Member Kravitz. >> Okay. Thank you. I have a very narrow

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question. This is about section 1281E4 in this uh ordinance and it says if a final written application is not issued within 60 days dot dot dot then it's deemed approved. So my question to you is do you have administratively

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something set up to track and the aging on these applications so that that never happens? [clears throat] >> We do have uh tracking in our permitting office now. Um it's a very manual process. This process will be um

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elevated quite uh advanced quite a bit more when we get our new system online. It is manual. And in addition to this, we have to track aging on pretty much everything we touch nowadays um based on a lot of other legislative amendments

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that have just gone into effect at the first of last month. So to answer your question is yes, we do. Is it a perfect scenario? No, it's not. Um, there are clauses within the language that allows for a mutual agreed upon extension. If

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there is something that comes up that is just not clear if it qualifies, that would require extending that 60 days longer. >> Okay. Well, I'm happy to hear that and I'm just going to pass this along as encouragement. You know, I would I would make sure that these get tracked somehow

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automatically and that at certain stages in the process, there are automated automated warnings that go out so that there's no risk that one of these is approved without the proper review on our end to see what we can do and whether it can be made to fit in better with whatever other plans and concepts we may want.

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>> Absolutely. >> So, that's all. I'll yield my time. Thank you. >> Are there other questions? If there are no other questions, I'll close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance. An ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, amending the Temple

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Terrace Land Development Code as amended by amending sections 12-40 definitions 12-81 reasonable accommodation procedures, providing for codification, providing for severability, providing

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for correction of typographical errors, repealing all ordinances or parts of ordinance and conflict here with providing an effective date. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Is there a motion? >> Move to approve ordinance [clears throat] on first reading

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amending land development code uh section 12-40 definitions of 12-81 reasonable accommodation procedures for recovery residences and to schedule second public hearing for the second reading on August 17th, 2026. >> Second motion and second discussion of

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the motion. >> Good. Thank you. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. opposed nays. The ordinance is appear is passed on first reading and will appear for second reading in public hearing on Monday, August the 17th, 2026. Remember this is

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a Monday, not a regular Tuesday night. So good. Um, next item is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance amending land development code sections 12-40 and 12-922, commercial vehicle restrictions in

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residential districts. I will open the public hearing and our senior planner, Alyssa Living. Well, no. I see we changed up again. This is twice you guys. You just trying to keep me on my toes. So, our community development director, Greg Paulie, is here to explain. [laughter]

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Keeping you on your toes tonight, Mr. Mayor. Once again, good evening, uh, mayor and council. Greg Paulie, your director of community development. I'm here tonight to present for you a land development code text amendment uh number LDC2503

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pertaining to the uh commercial vehicles restrictions in residential districts. The purpose of this amendment is to address existing code text that is somewhat ambiguous,

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outdated, and difficult to enforce. The goal is to establish clear and objective uh standards for restricting certain commercial vehicles in residential districts. Um the current text provides for two existing reasonable exceptions. The

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proposed amendment restates these same exceptions as well as adds two additional reasonable exceptions to provide allowances for residents who drive company vehicles and unmodified pickup trucks for work purposes.

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As you may recall, most of you may recall, we discussed this in great detail at the land development workshop early last year. Um at that time I shared with you uh various uh examples of code from neighboring jurisdictions and also a few from other jurisdictions

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in South Florida. Um I also introduced during that workshop the concept of utilizing gross vehicle weight rating uh as set by the Federal Highway Administration um as a baseline for categorizing various vehicle types. Feedback from

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that workshop was ultimately utilized to prepare tonight's amendment. The amendment uh has this amendment has been developed in collaboration with uh Mr. Jack Shanks uh code compliance department to ensure clear standards

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that are easy to understand and enforce. The amendment was also presented to the planning commission by Miss Livingstone earlier this year and it was approved by the planning commission. The scope of tonight's amendment

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includes edits to the definitions in section 1240, specifically the definition of commercial vehicle and also a rewrite of compliance standards found in section 12-922. The full redline edit version is

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available in your agenda packages. Here's a quick look at the two definitions. The top one being the current existing um you can see there a self-propelled or towed vehicle used in commerce to transport passengers other than the driver or cargo. And the

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proposed uh definition a bit more robust. Um a motorized vehicle or trailer that is designed, used or intended for the transportation of goods, equipment or passengers for commercial purposes, financial gain or as part of a service for hire a

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business, an enterprise or not for profit. Here's a simplified version of the same table I showed you at the workshop. Um, this is the uh gross vehicle weight rating table. Now, you'll see that this has

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been tailored down only for the first four class levels. Anything at four or above would not be permitted under this ordinance. The vehicles are simply too big. Um, so we'll focus mostly on uh one, two, and three.

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Um, as a reminder, uh, the gross vehicle weight rating, GVWR, represents the maximum total weight in pounds that a vehicle can safely handle. And that number includes the drive weight of the vehicle, the weight of the passengers on board, the weight of the fuel, cargo,

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and even the trailer hitch tongue weight is included in that number. Here you will see that uh under class one um that is 0 to 6,000 pounds. These are most of your um passenger vehicles, your light trucks

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and things of that nature. Under class 2, this jumps from 6,01 to 10,000 lbs. These are your fullsize pickup trucks, vans, and things of that traditional size. Um, class three moves up the step even

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further. These are your pickup trucks and vans that most of us are familiar with and marketed as superduty, heavy duty, um, things of that nature. Um, and again, these are pickup truck class or van class vehicles. These are not the

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giant heavyduty commercial trucks. Um, these are often labeled by manufacturers F-250, F-350, uh, 2500, 3500, things of that nature. Um, anything above that 350 class range is going to, uh, jump

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beyond, uh, what this category will allow. And again, I don't think I mentioned the the number there, but it's 10,0001 all the way up to 14,000 lbs. And then, as I mentioned previously, once you get into that fourth layer there, you notice it

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says four four plus because there are several layers beyond this. Um, and those are vehicles that are substantially larger with a GVWR uh 14,01 and greater pounds. The amendment identifies the applicable

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zoning districts. It actually calls them out. E individually and identifies them single family residential, multif family residential and planned development districts that are limited to residential dwellings. The general prohibitions

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uh this uh section has also been restated to include uh the five items that you see listed here. The amendment addresses general prohibitions based on gross vehicle weight rating classification, use type, and/or modification. Um they include

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motorized commercial vehicles with a class 3 vehicle weight rating or greater and trailers defined as commercial vehicles pursuant to section 12-40 uh as amended. >> [clears throat]

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>> Next one is commercial vehicles regardless of weight classification modified with equipment racks, service beds, and other service equipment mounted to the exterior or the open bed area of the vehicle. Next, we have box trucks, step vans, walk-in uh vans,

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panel trucks, food trucks, and similar vehicles. Below that, we have tow trucks, boom trucks, crane trucks, bucket trucks, and similar vehicles. And then finally we have motorized u heavy equipment used for earth moving land killing and construction farming

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[clears throat] construction or farming [laughter] reasonable exceptions as I opened I mentioned that there are two existing exceptions and they are here on the screen. Um the first one is an exception

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for vehicles that are stopped or parked on a temporary basis and actively loading, unloading or providing services for hire in the immediate area. And the next one also restated from existing texts within the code. The commercial vehicle is fully enclosed in a garage or

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similar structure and situation and situation is approved by the city council after notification is given to adjacent residents and a public hearing is held. That would be a conditional use uh scenario. It doesn't actually use the

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word conditional use within the code, but when you look at what they're requiring, it would be a conditional use for that particular parcel. After that, we have the two additional reasonable

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exceptions that are being proposed for you tonight. Um, the first one is the commercial vehicle is a class 3 pickup truck or cargo van parked on a lot within a residential zoning district and is not modified with equipment racks, service beds, or other surface equipment

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mounted to the exterior or open bed area of the vehicle. And only two such of these vehicles would be permitted at any given residential lot. And finally, the last one. Um, you some of you may recall that we did discuss

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this at the LDC. This one allows for al exterior markings to be visible and doesn't disqualify a vehicle just because it has um the name of a company or some type of an advertisement on the exterior of the

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vehicle. And now I'd like to share with you a couple of examples and kind of walk you through them a little bit. Um the top one here you see a relatively small passenger vehicle uh with a GVWR of class one, meaning it's less than 6,000

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lbs total gross vehicle weight rating. And you see business markings, but in this scenario, it would qualify as an approved vehicle to be parked in a resident's driveway. The next one down, um, you see a slightly larger vehicle. This is a

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full-size pickup truck. It falls into the class 2 GVWR rating and it also has business markings displayed. Also would be approved to be parked in your neighbor's driveway. This one, you're starting to see a

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little bit of scenario here where the vehicle weight rating is approved. However, the use type is not approved based on modification. Um, the first one is a class 2 full-size pickup truck, but it has uh equipment mounted and

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installed in the open bed area that would disqualify it uh due to the boom lift. And then the one below that, also a class 2 pickup truck chassis that's been upfitted with a service bed and uh

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various equipment uh mounted in the rear of that vehicle. So again, the vehicle weight rating class would be [clears throat] okay if the vehicle had not been modified. In this scenario, because it is modified, it would not be allowed to occupy your neighbor's

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driveway. Uh, this one disqualifies. The first one here is disqualified based on class rating. That would be the equivalent of uh an F450 or a 4500 series or a larger flatbed work truck, it would not be

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allowed. It's simply too big of a vehicle. The one below that, had it not been fully modified, it may be eligible for an exception. However, the commercial modification here uh of the uh

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wraparound racks has disqualified it from that exception. The top truck here actually does qualify for that exception. It has not been upfitted with a service bed. It has not been upfitted with a boom, a crane, or

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anything of that nature. Therefore, when you look at it, you clearly see a large vehicle, but it's not completely converted into an obvious work truck. Um, it's a vehicle that, you know, you or I may drive, even though we

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have a a liking for a large pickup truck, because it's not upfitted with some of these other restrictions, it would be allowed to sit in your neighbor's driveway. The one below that is a very similar chassis body size. However, it has been

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upfitted. It does not qualify for the class 3 exception. And for that reason, um it would not uh be allowed to be to be parked in your neighbor's driveway. None of these would be allowed to be

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parked in your neighbor's driveway. um food truck, box truck, and again keep in mind box trucks come in all shapes and sizes. Um step vans, panel trucks, and things of that nature. So these would all be uh considered a violation under the amendment.

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And with that, I thank you for your time and consideration of this. Um, I would uh rec I would like to ask that uh council consider approving this tonight on its first reading and if approved it will be brought back for a second

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reading on Monday, August 17th. And with that, I will be happy to entertain any questions you may have. >> Thank you, Mr. Paulie. Are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item? >> Council member questions. We'll start at this end this time. Council member Schisler.

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>> Thank you, Mr. I know this was you had to digest and recalculate and recalibrate everything that we had in in in the in the uh uh the regulations. Now this you you put in there that it's

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got to be motorized. So any trailers that are being hauled by any any of these vehicles excluded. Correct. >> Any the exceptions >> Yes. >> are based on motorized vehicle. the

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trailers are disqualified based on the commercial use. >> Okay. All right. So the next question to that is what is going to be the enforcement policy or the enforcement procedure? >> As I said, we uh we worked on this

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together and I'd like to invite Mr. Shanks up to talk about enforcement. >> Good evening. Uh the enforcement procedure will be just like it is right now. um well like it like it will be shortly uh now that we've adopted citations. So it's going to be just like

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that. We would go with a courtesy notice. We would uh move forward with notice of violation and then escalate from there. Um yeah, that's it. >> It'll be so as spelled out earlier tonight, it's going to be >> correct. Okay. All right. That's all I

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have. >> Any questions? >> I do. Yeah. Um, so from your understanding, um, what is the legislative intent behind this ordinance? Um, specifically, I'm trying

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to figure out is the intent to allow more commercial activity or is it to allow less? Because it seems to be moving in cross purposes and I'll I'll get to that. It addresses two concern, three

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concerns. Um, one is ambiguity within the existing code that in some cases is very difficult to enforce. And again, I'm not the enforcement guy, but [clears throat] I've worked with Mr. Shanks on this all the way through.

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As far as the actual allowances for vehicles, it actually lightens uh the rains a little bit, loosens the rains a little bit. Um but I think it does it in a way that best serves our community. Um

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in today's world a u there are many people that drive a company car home and that company car may say ABC company clearly right on the side and it may be registered to the company under a

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current existing language that is a commercial vehicle under this provision. It loosens the resins and allows that vehicle, provided it meets these other standards, to exist in your neighbor's driveway. So, it actually does both.

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>> I mean, I completely agree about the existing statute being uh difficult and this is a big step forward. It's a lot clearer. Um that being said, um

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removing the issue with stickered vehicles, that seems completely fine. But on the other hand, what we have here in section D2 is that any modification of the vehicle will

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render it uh impermissible. But on the other hand, we're allowing much heavier vehicles from what my reading is. I mean admittedly the old statute at one ton is almost like prohibiting a corolla right so I don't know if that is the benchmark

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but then going all the way up to 14,000 pounds uh that is a big leap so we have a situation where we're going to have two commercial I'll get to the question in a minute I'm sorry we're we have a situation where we're going to get to two commercial vehicles

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but they cannot be modified but they can be really heavy and they can have a company marking So, I'm envisioning a situation where we have a typical tradey who has like an F-150 and they've modified it in the back a little bit so that they can mount

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up some of their tools and that is not allowed. But you can have a Ram 3500 twice in your driveway. And I'd like to know what you think about that. the addition of um a toolbox in the back

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of the truck would not disqualify it. Um the we're talking about um service beds and things of that nature. We're talking about significant modifications. Um, at the end of the day, uh, some of the basic logic that went into this was

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if you if you look at your neighbor's driveway and you see a big pickup truck and it looks like a big pickup truck, that's a personally owned, maybe he's a small business owner. Maybe he's got his handyman business on the side, but it's

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not um obtrusive with this heavy equipment, this these boom lifts, these bucket lifts, and these other devices uh than just a toolbox mounted in the back, I think most people would absolutely have

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no issue with that whatsoever. Um, but when you get into these much heavier uh commercial type upfits and upgrades is when that that vision of my neighbor's big pickup truck versus, oh, now we've got a huge work truck next door. There's

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a there's a transition that happens there. And the idea here is to allow people who drive a larger vehicle. Could I could I bring the slide back up, Brian, please? someone who drives the the bottom right

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vehicle that is just so everyone understands that's not a margin vehicle that is absolutely at the top end of the class 3 scale. So you absolutely would not see something heavier or larger than something similar to what you have on

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screen now. Um and many people have those in their driveways already. They have them in their drive. People drive large trucks. Um, but the idea is is that we're not disqualifying it just at that class. Now, if you go above that class, we

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would disqualify it, but just at that class, we're not disqualifying it. But if you take that and upfit that to a commercial upfitting with a service bed or some other type of uh

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rig or boom or crane, then that would disqualify it. I mean, I I think I find your vision pretty coherent, but I'm just not seeing it in the statute, and that's my issue

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because if you look at D2, it says or other service equipment mounted to the exterior or open bed of the vehicle. So, I mean, that would include a toolbox if we're reading it as it's written, [clears throat]

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>> wouldn't it? Well, I think if you if you default back to um the general prohibitions where it talks about uh the disqualifying uh items, I think you get a better feel for what we're talking about there. We're talking about the,

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you know, the large commercial uh racks, the service beds, other service equipment that's mounted. Um this is not either through my interpretation or Mr. Shanks interpretation is is intended to disqualify a vehicle based on a toolbox.

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>> Sure. >> It's it's just simply not >> right. But if if you have like a typical modification to the back to the truck bed where you have like a mount for a couple of weed whackers or something like that, you're immediately in it.

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Even if it's a smaller vehicle. >> Um okay. Uh so my other question is why two? Why not one? >> Um, I'll have to defer to Mr. Shanks again because that actually was his input. [laughter] Okay.

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>> U, it has to do with enforcability. Uh, he asked the question about why two and not one. >> So, we have, uh, residents right now, um, that have two large vehicles. Uh, they can maneuver them through their

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driveway, they can move them around. Uh, one, I mean, we I don't I don't think it's it would be fair to tell somebody they can't have a a a another vehicle. Like, I like Jeeps, you know? Um, I would love for my wife to have a Jeep. She doesn't want one. But if I drove an

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F250 and she wanted a big truck, too, she should be able to have one, right? Especially if it fits in my driveway. Now, if it doesn't fit in my driveway and I have to keep that somewhere else, like let's say I have a boat, you know, I I can't keep a boat in my driveway. I can't keep one in the road either. Um, we have to we have to draw the line

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somewhere. So, two would fit a family pretty well um within our area given that the neighborhoods that we have and the um the types of vehicles that we already have existing um in Temple Terrace. Um I think one

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might just be a little overkill. >> Okay. So, I hear you. And I I did look up whether there is actually a chassis size difference between like an F250 and an F350. And apparently, unless you have the F350

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with the four wheels in the back, the chassis are the same, but if you have the one with the four wheels in the back, that one is wider. Um, and we all know that the roads in Temple Terrace are not the world's biggest, widest

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roads. So, is there going to be a requirement that these very large vehicles are off street parking? >> As of right now, I don't believe that's going to be the case >> there. It's not in the code, but >> no, >> street parking would be [clears throat]

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permitted only where street parking is permitted, >> right? And and and that's that's as as things are right now. Uh uh to my point earlier that we already have vehicles like that now. Um we have a few neighborhoods that are very very small. Parking is very very tight and

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these vehicles uh are conducive to that neighborhood. Um but it does take cooperation obviously from neighbors getting along. Um and uh we we've had one or two instances where we had to get involved and figure figure that out and

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we've we've been able to. Um, but you know, people like big vehicles and they should be able to have them. Uh, they just shouldn't have too many of them on site. Nobody's saying they can't have four, but if you want to have two of them at home, great. The other two

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probably need to go to a storage just like a boat. >> Okay, but hear me out. >> Okay, >> if they're parked on the street, they're not strictly on site, are they? >> Well, they're still at at the property. They're still at the residence. >> Okay. Well, so

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when you and your wife have parked your extra wide F350s in the road, I'll know who to complain to, right? Okay, I yield. Pardon the rhetoric. >> Understand? >> Yes. >> May May I respond to that, please? Um,

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the the the way the code is written specifically is per lot. So, if it's not if it's not if it's street parking, then it's already causing an issue because

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this requires that they be uh within the lot. >> Where is that? >> I'm looking at the section D2 talking about per lot. Okay. Okay. But there's no Yeah, that just says that it's permissible if it's

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on the lot, but there's nothing prohibiting it from being on the street. You can park >> Okay, I see your point. >> Yeah, it's allowed. You can park your vehicle on the street, >> right? I mean, >> correct. Okay. >> I think they still might get a visit. [laughter] >> We we would pay a visit if if if there

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was an obstruction. Um >> Franklin traffic laws, you have to park so far away from the uh the side of the, you know, within 12 inches of the curb facing the right direction. Um and other vehicles just like any other parking area are going to have to position themselves so they're you know safety

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vehicles can get through. Uh we we do address those situations now [clears throat] um with large and small vehicles um very very seldom. Um but if they are parked in the street they they're going to have to position themselves where they're not going to interfere with other vehicles and they

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typically don't because those vehicles are very expensive and they don't want to get hit or scratched. Most of the time we do see them in the driveways. >> Mayor, city manager. >> Thank you. Just one thing the city attorney and I just were just noticing here. There is a provision in the

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ordinance that's up for your review. Uh 12-922 subsection C uh where it does state general prohibition aside from approved exceptions included in this section. And the following vehicles are prohibited from parking in any residential zoning

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district and it says street or lot. So they would be effect prohibited also on the street. I also checked with with Chief Staley um that if you had a a vehicle now you could have a large vehicle parked on the street but if it impedes the circulation of traffic it would the officer not police officer

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driving by could deem it to be in violation. not because of this, but just because of other traffic laws and could ticket the the vehicle or have the vehicle towed, for example, if it if you couldn't get a an ambulance down the street because of this vehicle was so wide or just parked in such a way that it was not allowing cars to travel

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freely. Um, so there there was some controls there as well. >> I real briefly just like if if it's a street legal vehicle, it's probably hard to argue that it's blocking traffic in that way because otherwise it wouldn't be street legal, I would imagine. And then the other thing is, you know, the C section that you cited here, street or

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lot agreed. But then the same exceptions in D apply. So it's still permissible to park it on the street as as as it is on the lot. So there's no there's no stricter rule for the street is all I'm saying from what I can tell. >> So you're correct. Yeah. Okay. That's

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all I yield. >> Questioner. Thank you. Um and this isn't an I got you, but it's a question. And so in your ordinance you uh specify commercial trailers. So a open yard trailer with mowers and used for a business to mow yards. That's not

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allowed. >> That is not allowed. >> What if it's the same trailer with a a man's son's go-kart for use for a hobby? >> I believe that would be allowed if it's not used for commercial purposes. >> Again, >> what's that a difference in a boat other

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than it's in the uh ordinance? >> I'm sorry. What was the question? >> A a yard trailer with mowers is not allowed. What about a yard trailer with a go-kart used as a hobby? >> Correct. A utility trailer is what we refer that to. Um utility trailers are

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allowed. They just have to be stored um on the side of the home in the rear of the home, not closer than 5t from the the edge. >> So your commercial trailer with your mowers could not be in your side or sideyard. >> Correct. >> Okay. That's the difference between

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commercial and and hobby. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Fernandez. >> I don't really have any questions. I have comments, but no other questions. Are we any other questions? Council member.

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[clears throat and cough] >> Okay. If there are no further questions, I will close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance. An ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, amending the Temple Terrace Land Development Code as amended

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by amending sections 12-40 definitions 12-922 commercial vehicle restrictions in residential districts, providing for codification, providing for severability, providing for correction of typographical errors, repealing all

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ordinances or parts of ordinances in conflict here with, providing an effective date. >> Thank you, Madame Clerk. Is there a motion, council? >> Oh, go ahead. >> Oh, okay. Um, move to approve on first

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reading of an ordinance amending land development code sections 12-40 definitions and 12-92 commercial vehicle uh registrations restrictions in residential districts. Uh, and the second reading to be on

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August 17th meeting. >> Second. Motion second. Discussion of the motion. Council member Kravitz. I'm >> very split on this because it does clean up the previous ordinance. I think that's a good step forward. I like the

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schedule where it shows all of the different weight classifications. Where I think it does go too far is um allowing these vehicles, which can be enormous, to be parked uh on the street. So I think of all the things that I've

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heard today, that is the one that I think has the most potential for trouble because also then you don't know who they belong to. So you might not know that someone has more than two. Um I hear the point raised by uh

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Director Shanks about how some families might need two extremely large trucks plus a third vehicle. Uh I it's you know anything is possible. Um and I also think I was much less favorable toward

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extending this to class 3 before I looked into class 3 vehicles. And it does turn out that most of them are roughly the similar size except again for the extra wide ones. [clears throat] So personally I would like to amend this. I'm not

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to to adjust this statute so that it will require the people who have these commercial vehicles to park them on their own property rather than using city-owned property to park the vehicles on. So that that is something I think would be a really positive change here

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because otherwise we're offering up our streets to these very heavy vehicles. Um they're going to be making traffic difficult to navigate. The roads are already tight. Um, if people want to have vehicles like that, why not require them to put them on

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their property so that other people are not affected by it quite as much? That would be my ask. Does anyone have any thoughts on that? >> I I do since you asked. Um, F350s, the doulies or equivalent F350s,

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but the doulies are allowed now. These aren't this isn't something that we're like after this passes they're going to be allowed. They're allowed now. >> Y >> if this street parking was a significant problem that wasn't being addressed by

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state statute which already regulates blocking of traffic and obstructing I think somebody should have told us that that that's a problem. But I mean, um, this isn't I I would I probably be

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sympathetic to this if we were loosening up things to allow duelies that weren't currently allowed. Then I would I would say, yeah, that could be a problem. Maybe we should look at that. But this isn't loosening up any restrictions

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that don't already this is a current status that's been this way forever. So, um I think if it could it become a problem? Yes. If it does, um I think somebody should bring it to our

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attention that hey, we're having it would be the police would be the ones enforcing that and they would say, okay, we need to do something because we have these doulies parking on the street and they're blocking garbage trucks or fire trucks or whatever the case may be. Um, I I would be open to that if the problem

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manifest itself, but we're not changing we're not loosening the restrictions on the doulies now. So, that would be my two cents on that, but you still have >> Yeah, I I agree with that. Uh the only part where I think we might be loosening

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it is u previously if you had a commercial vehicle that had branding on it for example like if a fleet it's a fleet vehicle essentially you could have a situation where you have multiple fleet vehicles now on the road um that is where it's being loosened from my perspective I I agree with everything

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else that you said. >> Yeah I I I don't want to take my turn. >> Yeah. Go ahead. I >> don't I don't Yes. what you're saying could potentially become a problem. And I think if it does, we need to look at

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some of that. If that if that comes out, and it could, then I think we need to go back and take a look. Um, yeah. Anyway, I I don't want to jump on my term. Uh, city manager, >> I apologize for interjecting here, but we're we're still trying to talk. I think I think there may be a clause in

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here that addresses your concern, Council Member Kravis, and you could read it, obviously, and if you think differently, let me know. Um so under uh section 912-922 again going subsection D uh and if you go to subsection D

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basically it says exceptions parking a commercial vehicle in a residential zoning district lot is permitted pursuant to the following exceptions. And if you go to D2, it says that the exception would be commercial vehicle is a class 3 pickup truck or cargo van parked on a lot

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within a residential zoning district and is not modified with equipment racks, service beds, or other service equipment mounted to the exterior open bed area. Only two such class 3 vehicles per lot are permitted. So, we're just reading that as doesn't say street. So, in this case, it would be the requirement be

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that they have to be on the lot. Um, I'm not sure if that satisfies your concern, but that that would seem to kind of point in that direction. >> It's not it's interesting because it's it's more specific than the D. The D says you have

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these exceptions that that apply to the street or the lot. And then in subsection two, it narrows it to [snorts] on a lot. So then I guess you have a little bit of a contradiction there, but maybe it's just a more specific statute. So I I wonder how that would be applied in this case.

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Yeah, I yield. Yeah. >> Um, vice mayor comment. So, I'm comfortable with the way it's written because right now if it's a even if it's a Ford Escort or a big truck [clears throat] if there's uh any reason to impede a

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garbage truck or fire truck or any of that, we have laws in that. So, that can be addressed now. So, that's just my opinion. comments. >> I I do have one. I have something that I although I share some of Council Member

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Kravitz's concerns that may manifest, but I I do have a concern. I don't This is not enough of a concern for me to vote no on this. We've come so far on this and this has been a sticky one. I mean this has been a year and a half

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since we had our workshop and I'm happy to get where we are but I do want to keep an eye on this and that is only two such class three vehicles per lot are permitted. Now if you got dies,

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okay, but we have some lots in tumble terrace in the neighborhood I live in. We have big lots. I mean we have some people have driveways. You can fit 15 cars in their driveway. I mean, they're big. F-250s [snorts] are class 3 vehicles.

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F-250s are a common family car these days. There's people have F250s all over the place that don't use them for commercial purposes. They jack them up. They look cool. They drive around. I mean, F250s are everywhere. I challenge you to go out to Publix and you count three of them in there at any given

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time. They're they're a very Here's my college word, a ubiquitous, right? vehicle. And to say you can only have two of these seems a little arbitrary.

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Um, suppose that I drive a 3/4 what used to be a 3/4 ton truck, which I did. Suppose that my wife has one, too, and then my son has one. If they fit in the driveway, what's the big difference? If somebody's

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got an F-150, they can have four of them. But if they have an F250, they're only allowed two. It seems like there would be a better way to get at what we're trying to get at. Okay, if you have X number of them or you don't have a place to park them, like I think that's

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kind of what where Council Member Kravitz's logic is going. And I tend to agree with that track. It just seems a little arbitrary and I can't I'm not real comfortable with I'm not like I said not enough to scrap the whole ordinance, but

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I'm going to keep an eye on that one because if if we start see and I don't know, maybe there's nobody in the city that's got three F250s. It could be. But if we start seeing this, I I think we might need to tweak this in

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that area. Um because I mean we start citing people because they've got three F250s and they're all fitting in their driveway. I don't know what we're doing to the public. I mean what are we gaining for the greater good here? It doesn't make any sense to me. So anyway, I think you

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get the point, but okay. Other comments on the motion? Council member, did you have something? I mean, I I think it would not be unreasonable to say you have a higher limit if you park them on your lot and then we remove the ability to park them on the road. >> Yeah. But I I would I don't want to do

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that because this thing's been through a year and a half to through the planning commission to get I don't want to have to start this all over again and go back to the planning commission. This is this is taking I mean, if these problems manifest, then

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I'd say, "Yeah, we need to to do something." But um I don't want to in my mind anyway, I don't know what your feelings are, but I don't want perfection to stand in the way of good. And I is it perfect? No. There's [clears throat] probably another area too that I could

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talk about, but I think it's a good example of letting perfect stand in the way of good in my mind. >> Okay, ready to vote? >> All those in favor say I. >> I opposed. No nays. The ordinance is approved on

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first reading a manning uh I don't have to say all that and will appear for second public hearing and second reading on Monday August the 17th. Okay, very good. Next item public hearing and first reading of we ready to [snorts]

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you want to push through or do you guys want a fivem minute break? This seems a place to take a break unless you want to push through. I'm good at this time. >> We're good. Okay, we're keep going. They want a break. They're leaving us. Public hearing and first reading of an

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ordinance amending code section 12-834, drainage systems. I'll open the public hearing. Public works director Jason Warren Felds has got his tie on. This is going to be expensive and he is here to present. Ask >> for a time [laughter] tonight. Throwing you off.

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>> No money. All right. Any mayor, council members, before he denies proposed amendments to section 12834 of the land development code regarding drainage systems. Over the years, staff have reviewed numerous development applications and drainage reports. During those reviews, we found

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that while the existing code provides general requirements, [clears throat] it lacks many of the engineering details now that is now considered standard practice. These revisions do not fundamentally change our stormwater policy. Instead, they clarify expectations for design professionals

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and strengthen the tech technical requirements needed to demonstrate that proposed systems will perform as intended. And let's see here. So the key code revisions are requires [clears throat] basin maps, flow path,

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dynamic modeling and clarified rainfall data. Clarifies design storms, FDOT street capacity plan details and conflict manhole assurances. It establishes utility separation, pipe materials and roadway separation, outfall, flood plane, pond recovery and

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infiltration and under drain requirements. In summary, revisions turn common engineering expectations into code requirements. The amendment improves consistency during design review and construction. These updates strengthen reasonable assurance for storm water

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performance and protection from the public infrastructure for the public infrastructure. Um, all right. These proposed amendments have been reviewed and approved by Hillsboro County Planning Commission. Uh ultimately these pro revisions provide greater confidence that new development

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will properly manage storm water, help keep water within the roadway drainage system and better protect both public and private infrastructure and adjacent properties. Staff recommends approval of the ordinance on first reading and scheduling the second reading as presented. >> Thank you, Mr. Warrenfeld. Are there

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members of the public who wish to comment on this item? Council members questions. We'll start down at this side. Council member Fernandez. So, just to for [snorts] the information of the the watching public, this what you we're doing with this

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amendment is clarifying what somebody who's going to propose a building or a development needs to present as part of their documents for city for permitting and um review of their project.

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>> Correct. Yes. It's it's to enhance our standards. This will enhance our code standards for engineering to review them to meet the current guidelines that we use. We just don't have it codified in the code. >> Okay. So, um, this is this is if

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somebody wants to build a project or develop a an undeveloped property or or even redevelop a property, they already are required to show how they're going to handle um either retaining or the um

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treatment or just how they're going to handle all the storm water that's going to hit that property. But because this is a lot more detailed about what they need to turn in than they've previously been doing. >> Correct. >> Is this consistent with what other

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jurisdictions are also requiring now? >> So we currently use neighboring jurisdictions as a model, but we do not have it in our code as clear as it is presented. >> Okay. And this doesn't necessarily change what a developer would need to do

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or somebody who's building would need to do because they're required to do the engineering to show how they would handle storm water. Is that correct? >> Correct. This gives us a greater leverage because it'll be codified in our code to apply them evenly as we would do the reviews.

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>> All right. Thank you, >> Vice. Okay, council member. So the thought process and the analysis that went into making these changes, this was based upon cannibalizing other

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jurisdictions, what they've done or was this or did we set about and say, "Okay, engineering, what have you done? What what what needs to be done?" um what what level of detail did we utilize in in developing this going forward beyond

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the uh the the uh planning commission the the so it's it's the current common guidelines and practices is what was the main driver plus our neighbors around us are utilizing the same standards we just did not have it again codified in our ordinances to make it applicable as

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strong as we need it to be >> me kitz >> hi thanks just a couple questions one of them Um, there's a Florida state statute now that states any work under $7,500 is permit free. Um, this is really broadly

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written. So, I'm wondering if there is sort of like minor driveway work that's being done. Is this now going to require a permit from the homeowner? [snorts] >> Is that for the next one or is that for the stormwater one? >> Um, oh, that's the general item. Sorry.

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Um, that is for the next one. I do apologize. Yeah, sorry about that. I got a little bit ahead of myself. Thank you very much. I withdraw the question. I have no further questions. Thank you. >> No other no other question. >> Wrong wrong item. Pardon. >> Real quick, what was the genesis of

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this? Is this a proactive thing? Did something come our way to cause us to do this or would did this happen proactively in our staff? >> Yes. So this is and and as it's you know known our engineering team has evolved

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and this is you know seeing what the challenges were getting up to where we're at and then knowing that what's coming down the road. So it's a little bit of both. We've seen some challenges. We've had some you there's been meetings where sta or residents are concerned about storm water runoff and how we apply the standards and what we're doing

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to prevent you know issues. Well, this helps us when we go to those conversations and to those meetings say these are our codes now. This is the guidelines we're following. These are the expectations we want you to follow. So, >> okay. >> It it's a little of both. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions?

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>> Not close the public hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the order. An ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, amending section 12-834 of the city code of ordinances providing for clarification of standards for

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drainage systems. Revising the text to ensure adequate storm water collection conveyance and long-term performance within the roadway system. Strengthening technical cement requirements.

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clarifying basin mapping and dynamic modeling standards, establishing storm sewer design criteria, requiring minimum roadway to water table separation, and specifying use of a FO type two under

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drain where applicable, providing for severability, providing for conflict, providing for the correction of scriveners errors, providing for codification, providing for an effective date. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Council, is there a motion move

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>> to approve ordinance first reading [clears throat] amending code section 12-834 drainage systems and schedule second public hearing and second reading for August 17, 2026. >> I heard council member Fernandez, I think, beat you in there. So, we have a second

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>> discussion of the motion. >> Um, I just have one brief comment. Um, good work and I see our city engineers here. Um, good work. I say we constantly constant improvement here and this is a

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good example. Actually, these last two hearings have both involved cleaning up ordinances and better defining things. And so, um, this is not exciting stuff. I read this and I actually understood a little bit of it. But um none of this is

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exciting stuff, but this is really good government and action. So thank you very much. So all those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Opposed? >> No. Nays. Motion is approved on first reading and we'll appear for second reading and public hearing on Monday,

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August 17th, 2026. Next item is a public hearing and first reading of an ordinance amending code sections 12-921 driveway regulations. I'll open the public hearing and our public works director Jason Warrenfield will also

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present this. Mayor, city council. Uh before you are the proposed amendments to section 12921 regarding off streetet parking and driveway regulations. Again, during the review of rideaway permit applications and field inspections, staff identified several areas where the

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code current code lacks sufficient detail. This has resulted in inconsistent driveway designs, inspection issues, and avoidable drainage concerns. [clears throat] The key code revisions for this, it sets driveway apron design standards,

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including slope and minimum elevation above pavement. It clarifies driveway with culde-sac allowances and how nonconformities are handled. It requires utility notifications, ADA compliance inspections, and the removal of tree routes before construction. It also adds

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standards for pavers, site distance, and adopts the Hillsbor County driveway detail. >> [clears throat] >> The ordinance also adopts established as mentioned there the Hillsboro County driveway detail as a reference providing

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contractors with proven familiar design standards. These revisions are not int are intended to improve consistency, simplify the permitting process, re produce safer driveways, and reduce future maintenance concerns while providing clear expectations to both homeowners and contractors.

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These proposed amendments have also been reviewed and approved by the Hillsboro County Planning Commission. Additionally, there's uh for the council, there was an error found on the financial impact statement for this agenda item prior to tonight's meeting. The ordinance listed on the financial

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impact statement is the amended revisions to the previous um amendments for 12834 and not 12921. This error will be corrected for the second reading on the financial impact

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statement. Staff recommends approval on the first reading and the second reading as presented. Thank you. We'll go to public comment. Mr. Mueller, is the impact statement correction and single reading at the second reading? Is that legally

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adequate? >> Never run into this. Um >> well, you'll tell us if it's not by second reading. Yes, I certainly will. Um I I I think we can move forward with first reading and making sure it's corrected by second reading. >> Okay. >> Are there members of the public who wish

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to comment on this item? >> Council member questions. Council member Kravitz, I know you have one at least. >> I did. I a couple. Um All right. I'll I'll start with the So this is going to capture all driveway work. No dimminimous like I know that I mentioned

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the $7,500 exemption state of Florida. Um I'm just imagining a situation where you know someone wants to just patch up their driveway or do a little extra work there and even it out or whatnot and then they have to go and get a permit and all these other requirements. Is that is that the intention? >> So this sets the standards for what

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they're going to do. The land the land use and the land um land use changes will still have to go through the permitting department and through community development. So this just allows for the development standards so that we can simplify the the driveway

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areas where it's being applied. >> Okay. So this is this is not um this is going to govern construction standards for the work that's being done. This is not going to create a requirement to get a permit. >> No. So the permits are still going to be

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required because the work still has to be it still has to be inspected and all the land use still has to run through community development. So, this is just standards for proposed and and um replacements and it also adds for, you know, it includes our PA waiverss, it

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includes line of sight issues, it just brings us up to the current guidelines that we're that we should be following. >> Okay. So, u maybe I'm going a little too far in my own head. So, if it's a a new driveway or a replacement, that means you're taking the old driveway completely out and putting a new one in.

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It doesn't mean that you're fixing one that exists already. So there would be it would it would depend on what quantity of the work is going to be done. So if you're saying patch of crack and there's not going to be a land there's there's not a change

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in the area of coverage there. Um if you're replacing a concrete driveway with pavers then yes this will fall under that scenario. >> Okay. But what if what if I mean classic situation like let's say you've got a cracked slab. So you remove that slab and you pour it new right where where it

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is. So and it's not the whole driveway. >> It would fall under this. >> Okay. And so now now they're like excavating the driveway and taking the tree roots out and all that. I mean >> correct. Yes. And we've had those recently where there's been a small inconsistency in the driveway elevation creating a trip hazard on the public

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rightway side. So in that work, it required them to remove more of their driveway, remove the tree roots, and get things to be compliant. >> Kind of like shooting at mosquitoes with pistols here a little bit, but >> a little bit. But it's also it it's it's

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easier, not easier, it's um it's better for us to enforce a common practice rather than be individualized for each property. >> Sure, I get that. um this this like six inch depth below the um sub substrate

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um for the brute removal. Was that discussed at all with the um arborist? >> From my knowledge, I would have to I would have to confirm that and I can do that for the second reading. Just make sure that the arborist is aware of that. Um, but I will tell you that engineering and the streets department, we often

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have conversations with the arborist on impacts to trees when we're doing driveways and sidewalks. >> Okay. >> So, for this particular purpose, I can get you that. Make sure that's clarified on the second reading. >> I can see a scenario where you're basically killing a tree if it's near the driveway, let's say, and then you chop off half of its roots and then it's

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not going to last. Um, also last question, there's a exemption in our current code for driveway work under 100 square feet. Um, does this impact that exemption? >> So, that's where I was saying if they if

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if they're replacing a large portion of it, that's where this is not a replacement for that. That exemption is still there. This is clarifying the standards for design and the and the significant rehab replacement work. >> Okay. Okay. But coming back to the example that you were just discussing

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with me um where I said let's say that there's a small cracked slab they replace it. You said in that scenario where where you were involved they did have to do all these new rules but was that more than 100 square feet then? Oh okay. Okay. Just making sure. Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. As long as that exemption

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stays and I'd like to see it move up a little bit. I'm fine with this. But I think otherwise this is way too much because people have problems with their driveways all the time. Making it impossible to fix them is going to be the opposite of what we want, you know? For sure. And yeah, I completely understand. >> Yeah.

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>> All right, that's all my questions. Thank you. >> I just wanted to confirm the business impact estimate. Uh we can move forward on first reading. It'll just need to be done before second the public hearing second reading. So we're good. >> Thank you.

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Vice Mayor questions. Council member Fernandez. >> No. >> Okay. If there are no further questions, I will close the hearing and ask the clerk to read the title of the ordinance. >> An ordinance of the city of Temple Terrace, Florida, amending section

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12-921 of the city code of ordinances providing for clarification of standards for off- streetet parking and driveway requirements, revising the text regarding different elements of the installation of driveways. More

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specifically providing clarification regarding securing block pavers, sight distance, reducing impacts from tree roots, sidewalk slopes, and the protection of utilities, adopting the Hillsboro County typical detail drawing

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as a reference, providing for severability, providing for conflict, providing for the correction of scribers errors, providing for cotification, providing for anal Excuse me. An effective date.

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>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Council, is there a motion? >> Yes. Move to approve on first reading of an ordinance amending code section 12-921, driveways regulations uh also modifying the business impact

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statement uh for the second reading on August 17th. >> Second. >> Motion second. Discussion of the motion. If not, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Opposed. >> No. Nays. Ordinance is adopted on first

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reading and will appear for second reading and public hearing on Monday, August the 17th, 2026. Next, we have a resolution accepting modification number one to hazard mitigation grant agreements for fire

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stations one and two wind retrofit project. Our fire chief, Ian Kemp, who has been waiting patiently, is here to explain. >> Good evening, Mayor Council. Ian Kemp, your fire chief. Um, stand before you with a resolution accepting a modification

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um to our current hazards uh mitigation grant agreement for fire station one and fire station 2 wind retrofit projects. In May of 2023, the city entered in a hazards mitigation grant program agreements with the Florida Division of

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Emergency Management for Wind Retrofit Improvements at Fire Station One and Fire Station 2. The agreements were accepted by the city council through resolutions number 84-23 and 85-23. Since the time, the city has completed

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significant wind mitigation improvements at both fire stations, including roof, door, and window hardening design to strengthen the buildings against future hurricane events. During the implementation of the projects, it became evident that the replacing of the

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existing appar apparatus doors was necessary to fully harden each facility and bring the entire building envelope into the compliance with current mitigation standards. The city subsequently requested additional hazard mitigation grant program funding from

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the Florida Division of Emergency Management to expand this project scope to include installation of such hurricane rated apparatus bay doors at both fire stations. The modification increases the federal funding for fire station 1 from

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$251,71728 to $589,24710. And for fire station number two from 224,35 to84 to 515,637 for a combined increase of 628,830 98. This modification grant agreement

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also provides 100% federal funding subreient management costs of $32,735.95 for fire station number one and $28,646.50 for fire station 2. The city's required non-federal match increases from

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52,894.79 to $122,764.90 reflecting the expanded scope of the work to include replacement of the apparatus bay doors. Uh the federal grant funding will be appropriated from the grants fund um

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with the crowd local with the required local match funded through the budget adjustment from the community investment tax reserve account. That's all I have. >> Thank you, Chief. Uh are there members of the public who wish to comment on this item?

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>> Council member questions to start at this end. Council member Fernandez. So originally uh we had a grant award from the federal government and the required match. Um

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has the cost of the work increased? Is that part of why we were able to secure a higher grant like the cost of the materials? And >> now what happened was um when we w when I was looking at hardening facilities

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um we looked at the the doors and the windows and we needed to do have some extra straps for the for the um the roof. So we had some contractors come in um went out to bid. We received that

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once we had an architect come by um and [snorts] it was actually he was looking at the EOC we're getting ready to build and we're showed him the projects and and everything. We were just about complete with fire station one and fire station 2. He looked at our bay doors and said, "Hey, this these bay doors are

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not hurricane rated." Well, we thought they were because they were replaced when I first started working here. We replaced them about 20 years ago. Um so I had no idea nor was it caught by anybody else. and he said, "No, these are not hurricane rated. This is your weakest point. You you've done all this work, but now you have these bay doors

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that aren't going to accept uh the you know, wind over probably about 120 mph." [snorts] So, you know, I I talked to um uh the the the grant the person I was granted uh our grant uh mitigation

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person. I said, "Hey, you know, this is what do you think we should do?" said, "Well, a lot of times we'll just extend this and we could probably give you more money because we really want to make sure that when we we we throw this money at you that we we secure the whole project and that your your whole

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facility is strong." So, we we we we got estimates on about approximately what it would cost us and [snorts] then we asked for that amount and they agreed and they said, "Okay, we'll go ahead and give you this extra money." [snorts] Um, and uh

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so that's where we are today. Thank you. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Mayor Sure. So, with these improvements to the bay doors, do you have any idea what category uh our buildings would be rated? >> I think we're we're hoping it should be

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at about a four. >> Okay. Is there some uh in engineering or something that um we could have done? So, we know that. >> Um I think there is. Um, you know, the one of the problems is they're older they're older buildings, but we we do

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believe that what this is what the advantage of this is is is our our firefighters should be able to at most storms unless it's kind of Hurricane Andrew type storm should be able to stay in the fire stations at both fire stations um before, during, and after.

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right now on a big storm they would have to run over to Templeto Elementary and that Harden facility because that's really the only Harden facility around. Um so really after this is done um I think the city's just done over the last two years an unbelievable job with

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getting um the facility on White Way a hardened facility. We're going to have a hardened facility for dispatch police and and and fire dispatch um as well as a brand new EOC. And now both of the two fire stations should be hardened close

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to the the same uh standard as those two buildings. >> That's super. Thank you. >> Yes, sir. >> I had a question, but it was answer you answered [clears throat] the question with the how come we had to do this. So that was >> Councilman Kravitz. Any questions? No. Okay. Okay. If there are no further

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questions, is there a motion? Move to approve the resolution accepting modification number one to hazard mitigation grant agreements for fire station number one and number two wind retrofit projects. >> Second

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>> motion second discussion of the motion. All those in favor say I. >> I opposed. No nays. Thank you chief. Next um first council business item is the scheduling of two public hearings to adopt the millillage and budget

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ordinances. I see our finance directors here for questions, but they've asked me to to uh present this. So, uh, due to the following trim hearing requirements, the city council will need to schedule two special meetings to adopt the millage

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rate and budget ordinances to, and this is some legal language that I have to read. To adopt the millage rate and budget, taxing authorities must hold two public hearings. The first or tenative hearing and a final hearing. Scheduling taxing authorities may hold

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trim hearings Monday through Friday after 5:00 p. p.m. and anytime on Saturday, but never on Sunday. The BOCC cannot schedule its hearing on days scheduled for the school board. The school board has first priority of

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hearing dates. The BOCC has second choice. No other taxing authority in the county can use the BOCC's and the school board schedule hearing dates for [snorts] its public hearings. The only exceptions are multicounty and water management districts, which we are

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neither. It is recommended that the city council schedule the public hearings and ordinance readings for the millage rate and budget in the council chambers at 5:05 p.m. on the following dates. September 3rd, public hearing and first

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reading. September 17th, the public hearing and second reading. and also on September 17th to consider resolutions addressing [snorts] potential rate increases to utility funds. And so we need a motion and a vote to that effect.

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I I don't think you have that language. >> You do have it. Okay. I have it here if somebody wants to make that motion. >> I move to approve the schedule of public hearings and ordinance readings for the millage rate and the budget and council chambers at 5:05 p.m. on the following

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dates. September 3rd, public hearing and first reading SL approval. On September 17th, public hearing and second reading and also in September 17th, resolutions addressing potential rate increases for utility funds.

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>> Second. >> It's almost as if you knew that was coming. >> Oh, I motion. Is there discussion of the motion? I I just want to make sure that everybody knows that the start time for

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those two days is 5:05 p.m. for both days. >> Okay. All those in favor say I. >> I. Opposed. >> No nays. We have some meeting scheduled. Thank you. Any other carryover council business? >> I do. >> Yes. Council member Fernandez.

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>> I have two items. So, um, it's I've had some questions in the public about the planning commission survey that was recently conducted and then the me the meeting that we had that the planning commission hosted. Um, and they put some

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information out and there's just a little bit of confusion about where that information is coming from, the purpose of that plan. And it's not a it was not a city initiative. It was it

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was organized and implemented by the planning commission. Um but can you just city manager describe a little bit about the purpose of that planning commission endeavor?

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>> Actually if you'd allow me to probably ask Mr. Pauly to come up because he's most familiar with that pro project. just just so that people understand what the purpose was. >> Well, hello again, Greg Pauly, community

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development. Um, very good question and I understand how um some people within the community have been confused about this. Um, as you know, we are uh well along into a process of uh amending

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our comprehensive plan and [clears throat] the first phase of that process is community outreach. The meeting that you're I believe you're referring to plus the additional meetings that were also we had another meeting at the same location and then we've had uh additional meetings at city

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events. These are all meetings that are driven by the consultant that was retained by the planning commission uh to collect data to help develop the vision statements uh the vision statement I'm sorry for the overall

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update. So if you think about it, if you think about taking the big project and parsing it into smaller bites, what they've done is they've taken that first section. They they've worked with uh the

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consultant to do numerous community engagements, online engagements, surveys, etc., etc., etc., to gather as much information as they can for to establish the vision statement. And then what you will see

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coming out of that is you will see the goals and objectives structured in a way once they've crafted everything and we haven't met uh we usually meet every Friday. Um last Friday we did not meet so I don't have an update on that but

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the planning commission representative will be in the office with me tomorrow so I'll be able to maybe uh get an update at that time. Um, but what you're going to see is you're going to see them take that information and use that to formulate uh the uh the building steps moving forward.

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>> Okay. And then there there's a question in the public about how the city uses this comprehensive plan in our normal operations. >> Absolutely. That is an excellent question. I I wish more people uh

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understood that. Um, in the simplest terms in community development, uh, and the comprehensive plan touches just about every department in the city, but it especially touches community development, public safety,

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public works, um, some of your more forward- facing uh, public departments. It's kind of like the uh, the overriding um, umbrella of guide guidelines moving forward. Everything that we do, that's

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why everything you see us bring before you at this podium that touches land development goes to the planning commission. Because what when you hear us come here and say it's been approved by the planning commission, what that truly means is that the planning

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commission has gotten with their own staff reviewed whatever the item is that we're bringing before them to see if it supports and is com in compliance with the comprehensive plan. So from a holistic picture that comprehensive plan

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is our Bible. We go by that. We literally have to to speak on it and go by it every single day because everything we do under land development, everything we do that we touch to help promote uh community development, land

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development, anything that touches any of that has to comply and has to support that comprehensive plan. >> Okay. Um hopefully that will answer some of their questions that they've asked. And I just have one other item. >> Thank you. Um, so this has to do with

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the proposed bond referendum and and the question is, um, that's come up that I want to make sure that we get the information out is that if the if that referendum were to pass and we issued a

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bond to build the public safety complex, um, that project would follow our normal project operation. as in we would we would put that out for a bid. We would engage somebody uh we

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would put a bid out to engage somebody's design and maybe design and build or whatever, but it wouldn't be um we don't have a contractor or or a developer that we've awarded anything to.

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>> That's that's correct. So we have um a contract for design purposes, conceptual design that was done by um um be is it PBK? Thank you. Um but we go for this next phase. We haven't decided at this point. Obviously, we want to see the

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results of August 18th, but I believe we've made a decision whether it's going to be a design build or or or a design um um se I can't think of the terminology right now, but a traditional design process where you'd have a separate architectural from design and then you'd

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have a a contractor bid on design bid build, excuse me. Um we haven't made that determination, but yes, we're going to follow all the appropriate process. This is a pretty large project. So, we wanted to make sure that everything would be done in accordance with our purchasing manual and all the applicable rules. >> Okay. Cuz that there was just some that

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the concerns that were expressed were that um how do we know the construction cost? Have we done the bid process? And I just wanted people to understand that that's the project is not at that point.

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So for the construction costs what we as part of PBK's uh scope what they went out they went out to four different estimators um in the construction industry and asked them basically provided them with the specifications generally speaking that they had at that conceptual point and asked them for uh

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what they would cost this project out. So that's where we got that and then they took basically cross-section of those costs and came up with the the number that we've been using uh in terms of what's on the on the bond. Obviously, we as we've told the community, the number was about uh 43 to 44 million and

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we're saying not to exceed 50 because of potential inflation that could happen before we get to construction. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. >> Any other council business? Carry over council business. Council member Kravitz. >> Old business. Yeah. Um question for the

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city manager. Where are we at on the um interim PAS filtering solution? We were soliciting bids, I think. not necessarily soliciting bids. The as I as I mentioned before at the workshop, the last budget workshop. So what staff is doing, public works staff is there

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finalizing everything for the August 11th budget workshop for the water and wastewater fund. We plan to bring you a comprehensive analysis that includes basically a spreadsheet to compare the different alternatives for you to to consider that include interim solutions as well. So that that's where they're

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working. So that will be part of that August 11th budget workshop. >> Thank you. Other council business, new business, board reports. Any new business? I have one quick thing. Um, I'd like to

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remind the public that the uh ballot that we've just been talking about for the public safety, the general obligation bond is on the ballot for August 18th. Obviously, there's a lot of other important things on that ballot as well, but here in Temple Terrace, that

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one's exceedingly important to us. And I would u encourage everybody who is eligible to vote to please vote. Early voting has started. I also want to read the ballot language to you, and there's a reason why I'm doing this, so bear with me. Um, this is from the official

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ballot from Supervisor of Elections. It says general obligation bond referendum for Temple Terrace public safety complex with police and fire stations. Shall the city of Temple Terrace issue general obligation bonds in one or more

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series not exceeding 50 thou $50 million bearing interest not exceeding the maximum legal rate. Maturing not more than 30 years from the issuance date of each series. pledging the city's full faith, credit, and unlimited ad valorum

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taxing power to finance the construction and equipping of a public safety complex, including a new police station, a new fire station, and related facilities. And there are two options, yes or no. The reason I'm reading that is because there are numerous

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disinformation campaigns out there. I was at the fitness center today. I know I don't look like that, but I was. And there was a person in the fitness center, and in the hour that that person was there,

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they told no less than four people that this ballot initiative had on there that the city wanted to make the city all section 8 housing and that all of your housing values are going to go down because this is what the ballot is to

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make section 8 housing in the city. Now, I know they told at least four people that because four of those people knew who I was and told me. So, I didn't get a whole lot of working out done today because I was setting the record straight on this. And so, make no

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mistake, I am not trying to sway you or encourage you to vote one way or the other. You vote your conscience as residents of the city. That's why it's on the ballot. And I won't hold it against anybody, however they vote. But please vote. And equally as important is

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please don't spread disinformation about stuff. If you don't like it, go tell your neighbors don't vote for it. That's fair. That's that's the form of government we have. But don't go make stuff up and lie to them about what's in there to try to get people not to vote

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for stuff. That's not democracy. That's I don't know what it is. I got words for it that I can't say up here. But anyway, that's the ballot language. Please vote. However you vote is how you vote. But I I don't listen to anybody wants this.

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I'll get it to you. Any you call anybody in this room and we'll get you the ballot language if you don't already have it. Okay. Thank you. Any other new I'm off the rant now by the Any other new business or board reports? Okay. City manager.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, members of council. In your backup this evening, you have three sets of reports for the fiscal year 26 third quarter. Uh you have the council's fiscal year priorities, city's departmental go budget goals, uh and then the AR for project updates. Happy to answer any

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questions you might have about those documents. >> Any questions for Mr. Beu? >> I just have one comment. >> Yes. Um, and this is just for the viewing public, is that anything that is in our agenda packet is part of what you are able to see if you go on to the city

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of Temple Terrace website or the agenda packet that we get that we see is accessible by everybody. So any of the reports that are mentioned here, um, if you want to look at them, they're in that agenda packet. That's it. >> Okay. Anything else? Mr. B, anything

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else? Oh, I missed. Okay, city attorney. >> Nothing. >> Council, anything else? So, Council Member Kravitz, >> just asked the city attorney a brief question. Uh, I think it was May and then later again in June, I asked for any information about all of the outstanding litigation that the city

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has. What I received, as far as I can remember, was a list of cases with no further details. I was wondering if any progress has been made in providing actual information about the cases that were on that list. I am available if you want to come talk to me about those cases.

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>> I would like the information in writing. >> Let me um let me check and make sure that doing so is not adverse to any of the city's interests. And if so, I will go ahead and provide more detail. >> All I'm want all I'm asking for is maybe one or two sentences describing the

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general contents of these individual cases, of which there were many, and what their current status is. You don't have to go into anything privileged. Two sentence summaries is fully sufficient. This is a civil case between A and B. The amount in dispute is blah blah blah. This is where it is in the litigation.

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This is the anticipated outcome. >> I will uh take a look and and try and provide that information if I feel it isn't adverse to the city. >> Thank you. And for the record, I do think it's completely reasonable for me to ask for those things in writing. So, I appreciate the invitation to come have a chat, but I'd rather have a document that I can refer to at my leisure

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because it's complicated and there were a lot of cases. So, thank you for doing that. I appreciate it. That's all. I yield. Anything else to come before the council? And we will stand adjourned. [music] >> [music]