##VIDEO ID:LnQykiTrnjE## e e e e call this meeting to order for January 22nd nice to see everybody here hope you all had a nice healthy holiday I my family went down like Domino's one two three just kept going like that but we're all we're all recuperated and ready to go and happy to be back at work especially doing the work of the city so uh the first call to order is I know that you've all read them the minutes of the um Workshop correct yeah so but we would still like to know if you have any observations any questions any changes hearing none I'd entertain a motion to approve I make a motion we approve thank you do I have a second second thank you any questions okay in that case all of any everyone in favor say I I any opposed thank you all right the minutes are approved the next is the really fun job for somebody like the office the the chairman is to do election of officers go go ahead please miss Barlo take care of that for me in your rules of procedure it states that annually you must elect a chair and a vice chair so we shall do that now if there are any nominations please nominate we do not need a second um do we have any nominations for chair right we're nominating you can you do it again I would be happy to do it again thank you we nomin all in favor of nominating Sher Donahue for chair please say I I say I any any opposed nobody's opposed thank you for your vote of confidence where the motion was at was that Letha that was me okay we will move on to nominations for vice chair do we have any nominations well Letha you've been doing a great job would you like to keep the job I that I can do that I nominate Letha for the job okay and Letha you accept Okay uh all those in favor I I any opposed don't say anything okay motion carries thank you all right then okay and there's since there's we'll retain our same pay grade everyone knows there know that right yeah zero all right so we do have quite a few things for discussion first we're going to um introduce and welcome our two new members first one is sitting here on the day with us Juan Carlos so glad you could be here thank you gr to be here and so what what what prompted you to want to belong to this particular I I've been living here since 2016 um and I come from some communities where historic preservation has always been important um Miami Miami Beach um San Juan old sanan uh New York City and buen oires I've lived in these places where um preservation and the fight for it is is quite important to save the Legacy and the architecture of these places and when I moved here I saw that there was a treasure of different architectural styles in our city um and it's been now 8 years since I since I've been living here full-time but last year um certain things that I saw happening with some properties prompted me to say if if I want to see change I have to get involved and not just sit back um I have to come to the meeting ings and I actually have to uh be a part of the process and and at least try um and so that led me to then apply and I'm very excited that that I'm here and hopefully that we can accomplish some excellent things this year the Year of the Centennial nice to hear all that thank you you're welcome and then we have Janine Janine want to come to the podium and tell us a little bit about yourself as our an alternate I moved to Tampa in 1987 and I raised my family here and I taught at USF for 25 years and then I retired and I was gone for uh 11 years but I came back last year and I think this is my final resting place uh my background is anthropology I've always been interested in historical things and um I really love Temple Terrace everybody in my family said you must really love that little city cuz you went back and so I'm glad to be here and I want to give back to the community we're happy to have you here thank you we agree with you we love our city it's great so I do have a question have the new members been afforded the same training that the rest of us had about the sunshine and and all those things or no I think we'll have to schedule uh little orientation I received all the the documents pertaining to Sunshine laws okay um and I also from uh Mr hurles I received some other documents and okay this information I have so do you have this that book no okay you we need to make sure that you have this and you as well Janine I haven't receiv received any documents okay all right uh yeah we you know there are some rules about being the alternate and as well as being a member that if you are not at a meeting and then a vote comes up and you haven't been there you really can't vote so we really want yall thank you for being here and we'd love to have you attend every meeting because that way if you're called upon to be to fill in you'll be ready okay uh so whatever it needs whatever we need to do to get both of them up to speed would be wonderful um because we how many meetings did we have just learning what we could and could not do yeah three at least so um let's see and before we get into it I think we have actually I don't see it on the agenda but we actually look like we have a member of the public would you like to talk you're here and of course we have our liais on our own mayor Ross is here too we always give him the floor if he'd like it but do you have anything you want to add or say or nothing okay no not really all right that's okay well thanks for the invite and uh yeah I actually haven't been to one of these besides when I spoke one time so okay list well and you were one of our presenters at at the workshop so would you mind your name on the record I'm sorry sure yeah Danny Moody thank you mayor Ros have anything to say good evening board members and welcome to the new board members thank you for your volunteerism your willingness to serve I don't have anything for you tonight but I am here to say hello and I'm certainly available to you if you have any questions that I can answer if they're easy um I'm happy to share with you anything that might be on your mind so if you think of something I'm H happy to respond as best I can very good thank you we know you're always at the ready okay uh so we'll move on to Item B which is Corey Collins who's here to tell us about guess what she's here to talk about she has a new uniform Centennial Centennial hi exting I know everybody up here so um I didn't realize I knew all of you you were on this committee basically Centennial everybody knows this is the Centennial um what we wanted to do is make sure that we invite all of you on the on this committee to be involved with the Centennial Celebration um Marissa has been working very very hard on the timeline um and that timeline will be going up at the rec center on a as a wall wrap um so they are finalizing that and um do they see that at all or is that no okay so that's going through the final review it's it's very big and very detailed and it's very awesome that she's been able to do that and we'll also have a mobile one that will travel around at the different events throughout the year um Parks and Recreation is putting on basically an event every month um and obviously we tie the Centennial into it um other groups other clubs are doing events that are also tied to it we're starting to get applications in for request to use and to promote the Centennial um so if there's anything that you guys want to make suggestions for the the big event is River Jam on May 3rd um 10:00 a.m. to 6: p.m. over at River Hills Park um you will be probably as the committee chair will give you the club row we would love to have the historic preservation board out there um along with um the historic preservation Club we'd like to get everybody involved out there um have a booth set up we um the city will be providing the tent space 10 by 10 um at table and chairs so you don't have to worry about lugging a tent or anything like that you just lug the stuff you want to show um so anybody have any questions about Centennial celebrations we've got murals going up got two on this wall right here two big ones one at lightfit one at the family complex and one at the fire station that will actually start February 17th now the one at the rec center is going to be the first one to start going up the bats um and then the uh yep just got that today um so and then after that it will be Amina con over at the community wall so keep your eyes open for that one that's a really really neat wall you can sign up and participate and throw a brush on that wall as well so that'll be good so that's something that we probably should consider you know how we could play a role because we're so new that there are people who still don't understand who and what we are so never hurts it the problem is just getting enough people to man it all day I don't think you want to do that all day do you miss Barlo yeah she's going to be out there partying yeah and it's an alcohol-free event oh she just said alcohol yeah thank you very much all right thank you okay now get down to our CLG how are we doing so um I would like to review for our newest member what we have done so far so um we went through the whole full process to um get ready to submit an application to become a certified local government we adopted the ordinance we created the board got the application ready submitted all the correct paperwork it went through the Department of State historic preservation office they pretty much gave it a green light as soon as they got it it's like this is great they passed it on to the National Park Service because the National Park Service is the one who actually makes the government a certified local government they have the last say the final say so we waited a while um couple months went by in the summertime and didn't hear anything from the National Park Service so we were kind of wondering what was going on so I called uh my liaison at the state historic preservation office and um he followed up and said he would try and find out something well it wasn't long after that that we got notice that there was a problem with the ordinance and um actually uh there were several things that they pointed out that we had to do but that was all easily done no problems the section in the ordinance that they said was problematic is the one that talks about uh a historic district now to give you a little background this this uh becoming uh certified local government the city has been trying to do this for years I mean going back to the 1970s the one thing that was always a stumbling BL block was the fact that everybody wanted to keep this voluntary we didn't want to push this on anyone it has to be a voluntary program we promised the citizens we assured the citizens that we would you know make sure it was voluntary it was only if you wanted to come in then that would be great we establish the framework eventually we would have you know properties that wanted the protection so the National Park Service points to this section of our ordinance that I'll read you it talks about uh becoming a historic proposing a historic district says the consent of all Property Owners of each property proposed for designation hereunder shall be required prior to any action by the board on a nomination for historic property designation and the written consent of all Property Owners within a proposed historic district shall be required prior to any action by the board so if you're proposing a historic district everybody in the proposed historic district must consent to their property being in the district which it wasn't really a problem with Mediterranean revivals because we don't really we're not set up so that there's really any District that we could put in place that would Encompass the the Mediterranean revivals because they were spread out it wasn't a big concern but we just wanted to you know put in assurances that it would all be you know Pawn consent of the property owner well that was problematic for the National Park Service because this is the correspondence I got back from the National Park Service through the historic preservation office says at this time we cannot provide our concurrence because the current version of Temple Terrace ordinance contains a local designation process for historic districts that requires 100% owner consent as a prerequisite for designation consideration this is incompatible with the purpose of the local preservation program and does not allow for adequate public participation in the preservation program as the National Historic preservation act requires one person in the neighborhood could preclude everyone else from participating in the decision-making process about potential local designation so what they were saying was it's got to be you have to go by majority you can't have 100% because that's just good goes against what they think the National Historic preservation act requires this became problematic because of the assurances we gave our residents that this would not be would not be required so like I said even though we don't really have a historic district for Mediterranean Revival we still can't have it in the ordinance because it would cause concern I did some review and I found other ordinances from certified local governments that sort of address this problem without requiring the 100% so the one that I pointed to and this I sent all of this to the my lays on at the State office who in turn sent it through the National Park Service for their opinion on this so the city of dun Eden's ordinance which was adopted in uh 2019 and Duneden is a certified local government States the following a decision to approve the designation over an owner objection shall be by a super majority vote modification of the boundaries of a proposed historic district is not a reversal of council recommendation so long as a substantial portion of the recommended area is approved that hand inand with another certified local government had this in their ordinance if Property Owners along a particular Street are opposed to the creation of a historic district then that information is taken into consideration by the historic preservation office dot dot dot and the city council each body prior to the public hearing by the city council May recommend boundary changes to a proposed District the overriding consideration is whether the boundary change will negatively affect the character and viability of the proposed District an individual property owner may not opt out of the district rather he or she may formally object to its creation which may cause the commission and our Council to propose a boundary change so in this way we can work around those property owners that do not want to come into the proposed District so what would this boundary look like that would be up to the council two houses together and yeah a district can does not have to be I mean there's no definition to how many houses have to how many properties have to be in a district so you can rroo the boundaries around those properties that do not want to be in the district okay I mean it would be a creative a pre creative solution but one that would could give us the opportunity to not require 100% consent so it's an it's a workaround so did did we find out how Plant City managed to they put their districts in place I mean they designated the district and then if you are non-contributing then obviously you were not part of you you were not in the district because you were non-contributing but I mean that's and and really that was from the 1990s so you know as people evolve and rules evolve it's now to the point where that's what they require that's what the National Park Service requires so that's what we're stuck with any questions Lots but I can't formulate them like that's confusing so where do you think we are now with this we are waiting on the National Park Service okay so this does not have to go back to our Council until you have enough to take to them correct okay and so we're just waiting yes we do a lot of that on this board unfortunately yeah now if there if there no is there not a concentration of houses and they are going to be part of the district other other just scattered houses is the district supposed to be for the 20s houses or the 50s houses right now we're working on the 1920s but as properties get older and time goes by we'll then work up to the mid-century moderns which of course are perhaps they are more likely to be in a district right than Mediterranean rev is there a feel of of how the residents feel I mean is there some sort of idea of the neighbors are do are there people that oppose this do you have any background very much so there are people that oppose this yes have they given reasons for that they don't want to they don't want us to have control over their property so they say it's just it's a property rights kind of thing even though these are the houses from the 1920s yes yes and as Marissa will tell you in a little while we have not yet have one we don't have even one property that's wanted to come into the program they they could all be demolished yes and the ordinance doesn't prevent that the ordinance puts a three-month hold on the demolition of a property that's in the program yeah it's the same in other cities I mean the historic district doesn't prevent demolition just slows things down and finds Alternatives um yeah and there is a house right now from I just found out before the meeting that is facing probably a wrecking ball also house from the 1920s mhm so where does that leave us then we we're working on it to because once you come into the program it runs with the land you do not opt out so we have to start small and develop the framework once like I said once a pro a house is in the program it is in that's it no going out so when the Property Transfers it that property stays in the program So eventually you develop a program of protection for your have we educated people as to what would be the benefits we have tried we have tried and yes no reception no I can't say that there are those that are in favor definitely um probably more in favor than those who are against but we're very slow to get off the ground thank you right and even though even though some of those who are in favor of it believe that it does totally protect them from ever being demolished and you know I I I don't answer questions but I you know I know that's not the case so all right so we're in a waiting situation if and we can all think positively that they are approve this as um acceptable then of course we'll have to amend the ordinance and take it back to councel so we can't take any applications no we can we can oh wonderful we are still we still have a program in place we're just not a certified local government okay okay good that's good to know all right I was concerned that that what that meant all right okay any other any other questions I agree with you Lynn I I mean there's a lot of things running through my head I'm like hm I don't know I want to say that out loud not yet Madame chairperson could we maybe when we celebrate the Day of the the celebrations of the Centennial if we participate and have H some table or whatever you know have some sort of flyers or information on what a historic district is and maybe you know promote it Market it and see if that persuades some people you know perhaps they have an erroneous impression of what it is or what they will be getting into um and make them see the value of this we did considerable when we were working towards this ordinance we did considerable public Outreach we had several public meetings we sent invitations to all the owners of the 1920s properties MH we put it on social media we had videos made we did we sent we had Flyers set up around town we had Flyers events you know outlining what the program was we we really did do extensive Outreach but as you suggest there's no reason to stop we should just keep going do do you find that it made a difference I do it's small small steps thank you okay you have anything to add [Laughter] Marissa so good evening so Genie pretty much covered everything I was going to say um we have had meetings with some residents about the program but like Genie said we just have not had any applications yet so we are still communicating with residents and informing them about the program um we're just waiting on that first application we knew this process was going to take a little bit of time to get off the ground but again we're just waiting on that first application when they come in are they coming in saying we don't know anything tell us everything or are they pretty much aware of what they want to happen it depends on who I'm speaking with there you know um some people don't know anything about the program some know a little bit and just want some clarification um it just depends on who I'm speaking with well and what do we have how many do we have left 20 I think 40 yeah 40 okay that's more than I thought we had okay yeah but we've lost about 40% of our historic resources yeah so plus the big goona which we won't talk about okay all right um are you going to talk to us about the artifact collection policy no that's Genie's Genie although her and I were both in the meeting today yeah in that case all right okay so this would you have this before us correct this was actually the mayor's idea put something like this together to have a policy in place so I've been working on this for a little while um it's been reviewed by the city manager he's okay with it it's just a basic policy um it designates a city curator who serves as the custodian of the items um the curator oversees the collection of the artifacts and whatnot uh says exactly what kind of artifacts will be considered um it we have internal we have internal Collections and external collection procedures once the city uh accepts an artifact it becomes the city's Artica it becomes the city's property and we'll have a donation agreement form to go with the artifact um we have a database that we're going to need to set up to track the artifacts the when how and from who artifact was required and details and then there's a procedure to De assession the artifact and that's pretty much it it's just basic policy but you know welcome to comment uh so what we need to do um we're having trouble locating space but we will not stop until we get something I've talked to the city manager he said it's fine with him to use uh outside the city to store the artifacts but we need to know what is out there we we don't have any way of knowing who has what so we need to do some networking we need to have names we need to have locations we need to know where these artifacts are so that we can start collecting them because the city itself has artifacts but not not a lot so we know that they're out there we know Grant Ry had a lot that he passed on so we would really like to start the collection process and once we know what we're collecting we will know what kind of storage pH facility we will need to store these artifacts um the library has display cases so on the short term once we get the artifacts in a location then we can put them in the library in display cases and rotate them out that's on the short term on the long term we would like to eventually find a place a room that in a city building that we can use to have uh some place where the public can access and that we can actually have a museum of sorts which would be pretty cool considering you know this is a hundred years now and we should start thinking about preserving you know whatever artifacts we can going forward so what I would like you to do if you don't mind is to kind of network to find out you know names and places you know and give that information to Marissa or me and so we can we can investigate you know how we can go about acquiring these artifacts well I was just that I'm sorry go ahead um I just wanted to you to know there Grant had I I don't know it be them being called artifacts but there are some things that Grant had that that preservation Society has a hold of but most of what he had was actually paperwork it there's not a big collection of anything that you can touch so I don't when you when you guys say um artifacts I don't know where what you're really trying to I mean claim so even when it comes to paperwork that it's still something that oh sure it's that's very important of course ex exactly especially because if it's anything that has been researched upon that will help us in the future to do reports because once houses are starting to be designated I will have to complete a designation report to give to the state so any kind of paperwork or anything like that pictures will be helpful for this program well well well that can be done I just don't want I mean I don't there are a lot of people think that that we have artifacts we don't have artifact we will take your paperwork too we had but anything coming out I mean I mean artifacts they yeah anything that's like Hall a good example I know there's another house um Sleepy Hollow no there's a house um building here in Temple Terrace it's not it's commercial but they have a document that's signed by mod fower oh that would be lovely that would be lovely to have I think they also have original uh plans for their house nice so those are the things that we'd also like to collect as well I was just at a meeting where a speaker shared with us that as the hurricane was approaching this was not this one the one that we all should have been thinking about back in ' 04 and it looked like I think it was Hurricane Charlie was headed for us and so he had a huge collection of political cartoons he lives in Temple Terrace and he also had been a professor at USF and so he went to the library and said hey can I just bring my stuff to you because I'm afraid it's going to get blown away in the storm and you know how it is once you do that then they started talking about why don't you just leave it here and we'll this it's quite a collection and so so I have a feeling that if we start telling people hey look what you know look what we found or look what we have I know that there's an estate sale coming up and there are quite a few pieces of furniture in that house that were original to the home and once people know that they may be saying the same thing oh my goodness I've been worrying about this EX for a long time and and if I can give it to the city I don't have to start I don't have to worry about it anymore and maybe my kids don't want it or they're going to throw it away or whatever photographs and things like that they just have it in an album and they pass on yeah so it's you know we'll put it in that booth that we're having so so you want us to actually start talking to people especially if we know that they have something like you say photographs are probably the most important photographs documents physical objects well I know that the joke used to be that on the cleanup week and we would all drive around and pick up stuff on the street that people had put out and we found quite a few pieces that belong to the country club when it was the hunting lodge as well as uh well I know Grant did he was probably the Gleaner with the most pickups but also from the University of Tampa so let's have another pickup week and see if people put their stuff I don't know but anyway I I think I think this is something that will happen I really do mayor Ross do you have something to add if you'll indulge me just for a moment thank you board so um I do want to put this in a little context um and as Genie said this was kind of my um suggestion to to do i' I'd just like you to remember that this is the city council that um finally got this historic preservation over the they've been trying to do this since 1970 and they've got to the same point every time and failed and most of it involved the volunteer once you're in you're in but you have to opt in this Council um well with one exception for we have a new council member but but other than that this Council was the one that got it over the Finish Line after 50 years and I'm very proud of that um and the irony is that it's the historic district language that is kind of hanging us up right now and we don't have a historic district so that's that's kind of the irony but someday we may because there's portions of our city that were developed at the same time like south of Bullard you know the area we call the peninsula that's all built at the same time and so someday we we could the artifacts um there's more out there than people realize because it's in people's homes I mean it's in their personal belongings and and you know somebody has something they they may or may not even know what they have um and it occurs to me that you know the council has talked several times of trying to put a u build a museum of sorts either make it part of an existing building or a standalone building but we don't have any way to assure the public that we're going to take care of the stuff they give us right and you know 20 years ago or well truthfully less than that man you give your box of 100y old China that you're been passed down in your family and you give it to somebody at the city well how do you know that that's going to remain property of the city and not just become property of whoever whatever employee you gave it to and disappear and I'm sure that's happened over the years I mean I don't know for sure but it's had to have and so in order to go to people and be able to say respectively we're going to catalog your stuff and it's going to become government property it's going to become property of the public and we're going to Archive it and we're going to catalog it and we're going to display it in some cases and we're going to take care of this in a professional manner if you give stuff to the Tampa History Museum you're assured that it's going to remain in the Tampa History Museum but we don't have that and there's no reason that we can't it's we're one policy away from being able to assure the public um that this is going to be done it'll be enshrined in City Rules rules and city ordinances city codes there's no difference between us and USF special collections except you trust that they're going to do what they say well you can trust that we're going to do what we say too if we do it in the right way and so that's what we're trying to do and so um we have we the public here in Temple Terrace there's a lot of stuff people don't realize but when you start putting it all together we have a collection um a lot of our um photograph and old newspapers and so forth are in the custody of USF special collections which is great most of it's been digitized it's searchable you can read it on your computer so it's great there's no reason to change any of that but um we would like to be able to go to the public with credibility and provide assurance that we're going to store your stuff we're going to take care of it we're going to have a chain of custody like we do for police evidence um and it's going to be well you know what I'm saying I mean if you need you know it's really it's the same thing there's a chain of custody so you want to know where my you know where's this glass bowl that my aunt gave to you well it's right here and you can see it if you care to see it it's public property so um that's what we're trying to do here and so um the space where are you how how far along are you oh we're pretty good I mean I Haven I haven't read the draft I just got it when you got it um and you know I'm sure we'll talk about it and uh the city manager and I have been talking for some time about space in this building and and we'll figure this out um we do have space coming up here and there um so we we will figure this out it doesn't necessarily have to be in this building it could be anywhere secure really uh questions have been asked in this process you know would people still be able to access it if they're still working you know I'd be willing to donate this box of photographs but I'm still like to be able to come and look at them too I I'm sure we could figure something out I mean there's going to have to be some oversight I mean we're not going to just yeah here's the room you know now you got access to everybody's box of photographs right but we'll have to maintain some controls in order to have credibility that your stuff is safe but yeah I mean the short answer to that is yes the idea is to make it available to the public not to restrict it um so we would encourage people to the and also know there's people that truthfully I'm not I don't want to betray any confidence here but I know there are people whose family would love them to give some stuff away because they don't they're like oh my gosh I wish they'd give it away um and this is a place to give it where there's some credibility that's so may motivate people yeah and I'd love to get to the point where we have so much stuff as like okay we need to display we're going to have to build a wing on a building we're going to have to build I mean that'd be a great problem to have and I know council member Fernandez has brought the Historic Museum idea up several times I think council member Chambers has brought it up a few times I mean it's come up it's just that we the the timing you have to have stuff before you build a museum you don't build a museum and then wish you had stuff right it's kind of you don't build a road to nowhere you have to have a reason to build the road right and so um anyway I don't want to belor your meeting but I did want to give you some contacts your city council is very um preservation minded I I hope you know that this is the council that established the Centennial committee it's the council that well you were on it when we established Centennial committee we got the historic preservation over the over the finish line and we're going to solve this problem with the districts don't let that bother you we're going to fix that we'll figure it out if I got to go to Washington we'll figure this out and uh we we'll get through it I'm I have confidence in that so don't let that take Don't Take Your Eye Off the Ball what you're doing is right on the Mark we will get properties involved the first one's always going to be the the you know the the challenge somebody somebody's got a BL right and and uh once that person does then somebody else will fall in once they realize hey they went into the program and they just redid their kitchen and they didn't have any problem at all and so you know it it it'll happen and so thank you um and thank you for all the work that you do in addition to your regular duties this is believe it or not not what they normally do they have other jobs too and so thank you so I'm hearing what you're saying this is on its road to being official policy okay so you are turning us loose to talk to people about this absolutely okay all right we've all been given our marching orders here I'm thinking of people right now who I know um thank you very much thank you all that was really interesting so review of the program to date I think we've done that I know you know just want to make sure okay um uh possible agenda items and a next meeting what do you recommend and do you have any items that you would like for them to bring to us or research to us go ahead ju Carlos so I I don't know if it's something for the next agenda or I I'll mention it here um but I had I did have a question before for Miss Robinson and that is on um architectural Salvage for example would that be considered part of the items to be collected which by the way I I think what the mayor and the city council have done is terrific at and you guys also at developing a collection policy because without that you know preservation just stays in theory and not in concrete terms so it is fantastic that we're getting that um and a place where these things can be exhibited but in case for example these houses that cannot be protected are torn down or their big elements architectural elements that could be taken before demolition uh and Sutton Hall again as ly council member Lynn and the chairperson have mention is what I want to get at uh in a moment um is that included in in your pl's architectural salvage or or we're just at the stage where it's small things because we don't have the room I think right now for as far as the museum policy goes I think we're more on the small things again just because of space there is Provisions in the historic preservation ordinance that if they apply for demolition that part of the three-month hold is to do Architectural Salvage um but again they would have to be designated before we could Pur to the Salvage see because what happens sometimes is the buildings get demolished and then people that do that for a living that have shops go and they pick the stuff either they buy it or they take it from the debris and then they sell it and then we would be losing out on on this so I'm just wondering if there's any way and I don't know if Mr Moody here who's a contractor and preservationist has any ideas on on that but we would seem to be at a disadvantage right so I think with houses now or um any building now like if there were stained glass windows we would be able to house that but if we you know if a building was being demolished and we wanted to collect all the hardwood floors and pull them out that's something that we probably wouldn't have space for mhm we could figure it out yeah okay these would need to be things that could be on display yeah right but well certainly worth a shot but that that does that it does bring up an interesting point my my brother lives in a neighborhood in Washington DC where the homeowners association established their own historic board okay and if you are going to remodel your kitchen or your bathroom or whatever you let people know hey I'm going to have all this green tile that I don't want anymore and I want and it's I'm not going to throw it out but it's it's yours for and I don't know whether it's to buy or giveaway or whatever but they you basically can't throw it out you have to offer it to the other 22 homes that are in this group and my brother was able to salvage all the metal cabinets that you then get powder coated and you know the whole thing for his new kitchen okay um so is that I mean that that's a that's a whole other ball game that's a whole other yeah but maybe somebody should start that business like right now yeah yeah yeah if we had the land space we might be able to yeah yeah well that was one of the problems that they they had with the casino when the casino was taken down from Florida College I mean we were in there and we saw things and but they they didn't let us specifically take anything and then never came back and said to us okay you can you know is there anything here that you all that you want and or we could or could you use it they just all of a sudden it was gone well is there anybody we can talk to before before Sutton Hall comes down uh I'm not opposed to begging well we do a lot of begging I was going to say excuse me I don't think anything you're talking about here can't be done um obviously there are issues of storage I understand there's a big staircase in there and I don't know where in the world we would put a big staircase but um if there are architectural features from the building that could be taken down um and preserved or rep fireplace mandle yeah yeah I I don't sense that I mean I don't want to speak for Dr Weaver at Florida college but um we have a very pretty pretty good relationship and I I I just I don't think they're going to repurpose this stuff and although we have had some discussions about them repurposing some of it back into the new building and I would think that would be preferable to us certainly if they can do that but if they're going to pitch it we want to yeah yeah I want to get in there I mean I don't think that would be a problem just knowing Dr Weaver and the staff over there I I I can't imagine that that would be an issue um I'd be happy to talk to him about that if you could that' be fa if you have a relationship with them and that's great great because yeah and I will tell you right now the status of things is I'm hoping that they will Design the replacement building in such a way that at least a portion of the building maybe the lobby or something reflects the old and can reuse some of the features from the old even though it's not the same building at least if you walked in you would walk into a Lobby that's reminiscent feel contain some of the original features I mean that's what I've talked to him about now whether they'll do that or not I don't know but but I can certainly ask him if that doesn't work out if there are particular things in the building that you fireplace manels or maybe pieces of the banister or something you know I don't know what there is but I'm sure that I mean like I said I don't want to speak for him but of course I would be happy to facilitate that talk it it is a different Administration from the last building that went down where there was where there was so there is a array of Hope apparently because last time I know that Letha and Grant and others really tried hard to get in there to take I mean let's face it at when Publix went down we chisled tile off of the wall tile at home and and you know and made all kinds of things out of the little bits and pieces because you couldn't get it off the concrete wall but they we I guess we own the building that's why we let people go in there and do that but I mean there's obviously an interest in the tile that will be on that floor and oh yeah just yeah yeah I mean I would be happy to talk to him about that now I I haven't been in there and I don't know exactly you know if we start showing up and we're going to dismantle this thing ourselves and I don't know that that's going to fly but uh no but you've got a contractor in the room yeah yeah yeah but I mean they're going to be concerned about their liability and so I mean we're going to have of course you want somebody licensed and shed but I'd be happy to talk to them about that we'd also like to know if they'd get some body in there I mean if we could go in there before they demolish it as maybe part of the Centennial well it's if that's even because AR don't they have a mold problem I don't know different building yeah so no you're you're I'll sign a waiver as a member of the Centennial committee I'm G to tell you right now somebody else wants to do that and but it it won't come under the Centennial no okay yeah we are working with them to um ever hopeful here some some digital and light R pres preservation of the building to get in there and so they are amable to that I've talked to them many times about that so it's not the same as salvaging building I understand that but um at least we'll have some detailed photographs some light R measurements and be able to recreate digitally we could recreate the an exact replica it's not the same no but that that's cool it's better than it's just gone one day M so going forward since we're talking about a specific institution are there other buildings I'm going to look at you Leisa because I think of you as our resident care keeper of this information you may know the answer to Are there specific buildings left on that property that we need to worry about I've been told this was the last one I don't know as far as the original night 1920s buildings no this would be the last one so so that means that Woodmont is the last building standing no there's the um the doed church that was the development office but I was talking about as far as the as far as on that property on that property right but of the they do have the mid-century modern theater Auditorium um but for the 1920 buildings that will be it okay so that's it for that institution but then the other two buildings are the last two wow okay and Woodmont of course isn't from the 1920s that was birth of Palmer so that goes back to 1911 uh no it's actually 1923 1923 mhm okay yeah but it was not a school not a clubhouse I mean it's it's the ultimate recycled building in the city if we talk about recycling just use the word Woodmont cuz that's yeah it's been everything Rex school yeah okay that's what I wanted to know there was anything else okay mad chair if I may um I think the mayor and Miss Robinson have been really involved and invested in trying to do what's best um while uh regarding Sutton Hall while working with the fact that it's a private building I think the apprehension and the uncertainty that we are having uh or an anxiety I think is because it's one of the last buildings that are really significant to our community and what I'm going to say I've said it before here in public so it's nothing new um unfortunately Dr weer left before I could before I spoke um I I think it would be of benefit if we had a hearing where he and his Architects presented exactly what they're going to do there was a lot of uncertainty about what the goal was and given the fact that the track record of that institution taking care of historical properties has been so poor I have no confidence in that what we're going to see there is going to be a Good Neighbor policy from that building towards us that will benefit not only the school but the community um I'm going to plug a few things here if I may I started a page called safe Sutton Hall on Facebook um where I'm putting a lot of historical photos and uh new photos that I've taken and um you know people can leave comments so I can pass this so you can see what it what it is you know I don't know if any of these things will do anything but at this point um unless that's that board and Dr Weaver meet with the mayor with the city council members with us and are willing to engage in a conversation about how important this building is for us I think public opposition will be the last recourse and I submitted the building to the Florida trust for historic preservation in in Tallahasse they have something called Florida's 11 to save and that is the most endangered 11 properties in the state each year and so I submitted Sutton hall for 2025 um here you can see the ones for 2024 it only takes a few minutes to fill out a page with the information regarding Sutton Hall and it's historic significance so I invite people to go there and nominate the building um but I think we need to do as much as we can to prevent this from happening um whether it's a reconstruction that would be great but my fear is that we're going to have just an empty lot there and I don't see so far anything from the school that gives me hope and certainty um so if that's something that we can retain take and discuss again in the next meeting I'll be happy to to do that in more detail um some other minor things that I wanted to point out besides Sutton Hill um I don't know who's in charge but in our website the temple terrace. goov website when we go to the page that says history overview and perhaps this is somebody's going to work at it but I've been C checking this for months and stay the same there's a page that after you go the history overview it says sorry the file you have you know it's empty so there's no nothing there no photo so I don't know if it's a glitch or it's just this on our webs yes and it happens in this page and it happens in the history map when you go to the history map of Temple teras it's absent it's missing you know's and so I think if I think for whatever the reason um we should get this going for the Centennial we recently had a redesign of the website and some things were um were lost that could have been the reason but um we'll check on that okay and finally one more thing if I may I tried uh I reached out to the managing editor of the Tampa Beacon about uh writing a an opinion column on the importance of Sutton Hall um since they had on the front cover historic Hall to be raised by college pretty much giving it as a fact um I never heard back from from the managing editor so if anybody here has a connection to that paper and can write a column I think the more that our community knows about this um the better the chance we have of of making our case I I appreciate your trying but I mean the mayor can tell you when they presented this to us they did not present it as a we want you can we do this it was presented at we thought you might want to know this is what we're doing MH because we have other than you're right public opinion should sway them but I even asked if they could delay it until 26 so that it wouldn't go down in the middle of the Centennial and they're like our hands are tied we already have a contract so and that was just me asking as me not as anybody in particular yes is there is there another meeting planned because I thought that at the actual council meeting there was a date or there was I I talk I don't believe there's another some sort of hearing or something like I'm seeing a no from the mayor so so okay yeah okay you know I I agree with you we need to let them know that we're not happy about it but I really it's one of those things we just like it's it's a done deal and I had people asking to look at the original um title exchange between the city and and even in that there were there's nothing in the transfer of the property that says if the happens it comes back to the city there's there was no there's no safety net built in and that was in what 19 40 something yeah yeah so I mean you know it's I I don't rarely sound like a like a defeated person but I feel defeated by this one I I wonder and I don't know maybe Mr Mueller as a lawyer can comment on this um the idea of maybe be a public private partnership with the school by which we have some say um and perhaps this would go back to yeah well we can do whatever we want with the building but the issue is they're not isolated in a you know living in a desert they're part of a community and they're not just holding on to a closet they're holding on to one of the foundational buildings of the community and iconic the presentation that I saw here was just you know for me it left a lot to be desired and I think we as residents of Temple teras deserve better from that school well as we know public does tend to sway when it's the vote of council that we're swaying but in this case we're we we're not we're not talking to someone that we can they've made they have made up their minds I don't think you should give up okay but but but I'm just saying we don't we don't have something that says well if you don't do this or if you do this we're going to do this because we have we have we have empty guns yeah any ideas Mr Mueller on this subject you ready not particular that's not well we could talk about this all night long because these are things that we our our opinions and what have you so um is there any other business to come before other than setting up a date yes yes sir I can um for the new members and even for the existing members um one of your duties uh on the historic preservation board is to possibly do variances if someone wants to do an addition or something that's going to affect maybe the setbacks and so uh I'm betting you have not gotten the uh we have a video that um uh gives you a little you know teaches you a little bit about variances so I'll will get that to you and I thought maybe I don't you know you guys might want to see it again the dulet tones of that narrator is really Pleasant oh they were it was lovely yeah it was lovely I thought about it as I no I'm kidding but I if you'd like you know we I can Mr Harless and I can send it to all of you uh but thank you the new members in particular are probably going to want to well we'll definitely want to see that and I would like to um and I'll get your emails from Mr Harless try and set up a time to meet with you at your convenience um just to go over some of the Sunshine Law stuff and a few of the other things uh that may impact you know especially if you may have some questions Sunshine laws usually that public records uh new to yall so I want to make myself available thank you so I will it'll be at your convenience but I'll reach out by email to find out when you're available please please okay the last thing we need to do before we can adjourn the meeting is decide when the next meeting should be we don't have we typically are going to be called into action when an application comes in we do not have one before us as I understand even in the process at this time so can I suggest March skip February March March meeting would allow us time to be get ready for the sent enial which is in May and in the meantime we can be thinking about some things we'd like to do you can maybe bring to us the U brochures that we already have if we have to update them or what have you does that sound possible to you okay all right so let's see here that date would be tried not to keep my phone on but I thought I better put it back on so I could do this um what would that be the that be the 20 6 Wednesday or the correct fourth Wednesday the fourth one of March the 4th Wednesday that that's the 26th okay at 5:00 p.m. is 5:00 P p.m good still for everybody it's good for staff good for staff okay all right well then let's set the next meeting as March 26 that will be right after we have art and Blanc and we'll all be you know still talking about how beautiful that was on the 22nd okay hearing no other calls for Action I'll call this meeting adjourned thank you [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] 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