--------- You can start whenever I'm ready. >> Yeah, whenever you like. >> Okay. Ready, guys? >> In compliance with the open public meetings act 1975, chapter 231. The notice requirements have been satisfied. The meeting dates for the year are confirmed at the annual
meeting posted on the Bolton public Bolton board in the lobby of the municipal center and published in the record within the first 10 days of the new year. Notice of this special budget meeting via the February 20, 2026 sunshine notice has been sent to the record Suburbanite Northern Valley Press
and has been posted on the Bolton board and burrow website. Okay. The first order of the agenda are public comments. We have a total of 15 minutes are allocated for this purpose. Citizens are welcome to address the mayor and council on any governmental item of concern to
them whether or not it is scheduled on the agenda below. Citizens must give their names and addresses when recognized to speak. Large groups are urged to select someone to represent them. The public is advised that these meetings are recorded and are subject to the open public records. Are there any
here members from the public that would like to speak? It doesn't appear there any members from the public. So, we're going to close public comment time and move right to the 2026 capital budget plan review. >> Okay, Dave, just in time.
>> We read the open public meetings act. We had public comment time for which there were none. >> And here we are. >> Em to how to find it? >> He sent me He sent an email to everybody. >> He did send an email.
>> Did they? >> Yes. Yeah. I didn't from David. >> Yes. >> Why asked for a budget book, Jenny? By the way, >> David was going to take us through this. >> All right, guys. >> Let me see.
>> Yeah, we had I had one last >> binder. I know the information, but I have it so it's all good. >> Thank you. Okay. Um, this is going to really be an overview. We'll go through this. Um, the major departments that typically have uh
capital budget expenses are in on Saturday. So, uh, DPW, the police, the fire department, EVAC, and recreation. Uh, so they're all before you on Saturday. So, you could ask them some specific questions uh, if you have them
that you can't answer tonight. Okay. have you want to just go down the list here, mayor, or >> I guess go by department. >> Okay, >> please. >> So, the first up is uh computer upgrades borrowwide. Um
$20,000. This would be handled through a old ordinance that would be reappropriated. Um next would be a vehicle >> before you collect that. Sorry, I didn't interrupt you. Um so we had initially
not initially when we switched over to Civic Plus we had initially wanted to create an app you know for the phone is the computer upgrade is that taking that money that was designated for that app. >> Um so so that that app is in it's in progress. We're going back and forth
with Apple to get it to go live. Okay. >> Um so we've already paid for that with Civic Plus. This is for actual computers. >> So you know physical computers that are old that need to be upgraded. So there's a there's a schedule of uh replacement
as they get old. So that this is just adding to to that list. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. The uh the next is a a vehicle for administration. Um this was all originally approved as a lease back in June. That lease uh could not move
forward. Um, interestingly enough, Honda uh, credit does not want to recognize the burrow tennfly having credit. >> Who's this for? >> Wow. >> Administration. So, it would be for myself.
>> Um, >> huh? Yeah. >> You spoke to >> Oh, yeah. This was 10 o'clock. >> Sorry. >> I'd like to take this out. >> Yeah. So let's let's talk about it. We'll finish the explanation and let's
>> Okay. >> All right. So as I was saying, this was originally approved back in June as a lease. Uh and that lease did not move forward. So this is actually looking to purchase the vehicle uh that would be used uh for official business uh for the
administration uh the clerk finance etc. to those meetings and so forth. So, I'd like to propose that this comes out of capital because we have over the years said we're not going to purchase, we're going to re move, we're going to move vehicles from department to department.
>> In the past, the admin hasn't had a car because they've used their own personal cards. We've covered for gas expenses if need be out of visual business, but a $40,000 vehicle purchase that loses money the next day, I think should come out again. It's never been. We were
moving away from purchasing vehicle after vehicle. We were going with the lease concept. I'm sorry the lease didn't work out really. I I'm not sure. Maybe we'd try another car company. But again, I don't want our burrow purchasing numerous vehicles, this being one.
>> Well, can we try the lease with someone else? >> But do we even need though? I'm throwing that joint in it. I do I do just want to say that I remember what John Roier's feedback last time is that leases were um made more sense
>> if it was an electric vehicle. >> It was an electric vehicle. >> That's what it was for an electric vehicle from Honda. But like I said, they didn't >> we went through a whole process of submitting the audited financial statements, the budgets, the uh
creditworthiness. It was just crazy as they wouldn't for whatever purpose they just wouldn't >> they probably have a bad collections history with municipal governments or government >> or they just don't know how to deal with municipal government. So there are potential leasing opportunities we can take a look at. I would say this much
though that um you know your chief administrative officer doesn't have access to a to an appropriate vehicle um to do borrowed business as your police chief, police
captains, DPW director all take vehicles home. I'm not looking to take a vehicle home. This neighborhood would stay here, but there should be a vehicle available. >> I just want I want to back up for you, Lauren. The reason this came up is because I was saying the year I'm like, "Oh, you know, we need to increase our
EV fleet." >> Yes. >> And John was explaining that EV leasing made more sense than EV buy. So that that was where this all came about. So >> So again, this is I'm just backing up. Admin has never had a designated car.
Admin has some cars. if they use their car for burl business within the burrow or you know let's say they're going to a meeting outside on behalf of the burl we have reimbured for gas. >> We have never bought an outright car or leased an outright car for the admin
office. And again I'd like to ask what what meanings do we have that that can't be the case? Explain to me $45,000 car >> I'm unwilling to drive my vehicle for borrow business. No, I put enough. >> No, no, no. Hold on a second. I put
enough wet and tear on my personal vehicle to come back and forth to work. >> So, I think it's not appropriate for the burrow to ask me to use my own personal vehicle for burrow business and borrow me. >> Tell me what meetings you're driving to. Let me understand because I've done this
for 10 years and our VA hasn't traveled so much in a vehicle outside of Burough Hall except to get lunch. No, >> it's my understanding my predecessor took a vehicle home every day. Well, that wasn't appropriate for years. >> I mean, but Jimmy didn't have permission to do that. >> Whether he did or he didn't, I mean, I'm
not that's not what I'm requesting. So, what are the council me? What do you want to do? What does everybody want to do? >> Not sure it's justified to purchase a vehicle in the burrow wide. We have for the past. >> So, let's lease one. Let's find a different leasing company. >> And again, I'm that's still a very large
expense for a vehicle. Can we have a shared vehicle that we're sharing? I mean, we have new >> I think that's what we're talking about. We're talking about a shared vehicle. >> That's just Yeah. So, maybe let's drill down on that. If if this if something was leased or purchased, it's not just
for you, J. I mean, because Lauren, you know, right? It would be new type of expenses. What would what would >> never be where would it be? >> Used vehicles, >> multiple apartments. >> If she's worried about the the value what from the day you walk that you move
off the the lot if it's a good like we buy used cars for our family that are good and >> or you go the opposite direction and call in all the vehicles that you currently allow people to take home. The chief police the captains director bring them all in. You're saying understand
the use of what it's like, you know, >> I'm gonna say that >> you want to put somebody at a different standard that has all these other people that he supervises, then maybe we ought to call them all in. >> So, we have we have two questions. >> Say the police chief and the fire chief have a very different standard than our BA and our clerk. And I'm not saying you
guys don't work hard. You do. But an emergency situation, they ought to be there much quicker. >> You guys can be by >> So, we have we have two questions. Do we want to have a vehicle available for the administration? That's the first question. The second question is, do we
want to purchase one? If if the if the answer to the first question is yes, then we move on to two, which is do you want to lease it? Do you want to buy? >> I think there's something in between. Yeah, I think there's something in between that is not being laid out that I don't fully understand is there are a
lot of other people that are work for the burrow that have vehicles and I don't understand, you know, who those people are and what those vehicles are. So, I don't I don't think I can >> detract from David's request because I think he has he has a meaningful request
here and and I don't know the other mechanics that you're basically alluding to. So I you know if I if you need a vehicle then let's why why what's who else has vehicles? >> You're saying that all of the heads of
all of our departments have vehicles that are owned by the >> No, only the emergency responders. >> All right. So Julie, what's your view in this? >> Can I just Can I get an answer to my question? >> Which is >> which is what in what is this vehicle being used for? >> Okay. So who's sharing it? What are we
using it for? >> And and where are you going? ed by my office, the clerk's office finance for various meetings that we all go to throughout the state and >> so forth. I mean, it's >> again why we can't cover gas for those meetings
>> because they don't want to use their personal vehicles. So, I get it. >> But, but when I am hired for a job and I need to go and run and run something for my jobs, I go and I take my car and that's part of my job. >> Depending on your >> I don't just get to get a car. >> Even the state has vehicles they make available for employees. Not every not
all. >> Why don't we do this? It sounds like there's >> never Jamie. This one says never. >> Sounds like >> go around the table. >> I'm definitely not a big fan of just because my old my day job just because we do something in the past. Maybe we should do it in the future. I think this brings up a good point which is sounds
like the council is unaware of the proliferation of >> vehicles out. So, why don't we get that information and and I do believe there should be some level of consistency, particularly the chief executive of the the burrow, but let's let's just get the
information. >> I give you the information right now. >> Okay. >> Okay. Chief of police, the captains of the police department, fire chief, the Tback captain, the DPW director, and there's numerous vehicles from the building department.
>> But the DPW director takes a car home. >> Yes. as do the captains and the chief. >> And also we also have other >> unmarked police cars. >> Yeah. A police car partially. >> And we have a few vehicles additional that are for the senior center.
>> Is that why? Yeah. Why is that? I didn't realize all that's a lot of people. >> Yeah. Okay. So >> why are they taking cars home? That's >> they're allowed to. >> It's a process. So they could because they they're on call the chiefs and the captains 24 hours a day >> because they need to show up to their respect >> and everyone at DPW and
>> but not everyone at DPW just the DPW director. >> So again if the police are responding to a call they need to be in the vehicle that's retrofitted for the police fire that's a question the senior vans stay here in Tennifly and are utilized during
the day. The building code cars which we got EV cars stay here in our lot. Sorry. The what? >> The building code like the code enforcers which circle around. They stay here. >> How many of those do >> right? >> You're looking for something to stay here. >> Yeah. >> And it could also
>> would be but it but >> it's definitely a large expense, you know, which which hadn't been I I have to say I just I'm a little I didn't realize that part of the compensation offering to the DPW director was also a
car. I don't >> Was that I said I don't I don't Is that in his contract? He said that that long but I don't >> it was in the offer. I said I don't I don't remember. He negotiated that and he said he's traveling for he said he was traveling for a long time
>> but he also provided one to Bob Culver >> Mike Cassidy and so forth. So it's not the DPW directors. >> I understand but it's not first. It's not >> that's not a first responder. But to me, if there's an emergency sewer line, it's >> was yesterday was when the sewer blew up
on Leroy Street two days ago, but he was there at 2 a.m. >> differently. Look, I I I would like to ask the other two people who were in the admin office. What would you use a car for? I'd like to hear maybe I'm missing it. I know you >> before they before if the car if the car
stays here, it it would be used by any tax collector. It was me. If I if I if I was going during the day, one of the things that you bring up is I think people shouldn't be using their personal cars for insurance purposes. >> Okay. >> So, that's very important. Um,
>> and we can't get them on because they're we're employee. They're already under >> your own personal car. So, if you go >> you're under your our no >> the employee. >> No, the GIF would only cover you up until your deductible, right? and your insurance would go up if you had an
accident even if it's on borrowed work. >> That would be the case regardless of your car. >> What would you consider here and to the TCTA and sometimes I go down to the county TCTA is the Bergen tax. >> Can you tell me a little bit more about
the insurance uh concern? Well, I know that um it's come up with different burrows where employees really shouldn't be using their own cars to do barrel business. It was because of insurance concerns, >> but admin or first responders employ
>> any employee. >> And then so this would be a card. You mentioned a few things. You go to meetings I assume at the county frequently >> county or some regional meetings or state meetings. There's >> the municipal >> and then what about you Walmart? of state meetings, county meeting. For
instance, I had just had a meeting last Thursday. I had to go to the uh county for the uh annual elections meeting >> and all of our vehicles are fully deployed right now. >> There's nothing around >> really. All the code enforcement vehicles we can be borrow on steel, but
you know, they're supposed to be out doing >> code enforcement's out on the street all day long. >> We could compromise a little bit and maybe talk about a used car. They're very good. We bought a used car for our family. I mean, I'm here driving a used car. My son was driving. There's some good used cars that are safe and in
great shape and could look lower this price. And if it's just being here, then it could be a little bit of of a compromise. >> Yeah. I I I think >> you get a car. I think if you need a car, you and you're telling me you need a car, you need a car. >> Yeah, that could >> I trust you. >> Your question about used cars is part of
question two. So you can buy we could buy a used car, we can lease one, we can buy a Rolls-Royce. But first, we have to get past question one. >> So Julie, what do you want to do? What's your view? And then Adam, >> uh,
well, I'll be honest. The thing that got my attention most was this, uh, insurance piece. I certainly don't want to have the bureau set up in a situation where people are using their private cars. We've actually been advised this is a bad idea. Uh that would be
Pennywise poundage. Um I I don't think Lauren's wrong in the sense of saying, you know, we we hadn't had this expense prior and and now, you know, so that of course it's something that we're asking questions about. Um, so I would say that I I'm comfortable if
there that need exists and there clearly from a liability it sounds like it does exist. I'm okay with moving forward, but I would like it to be um uh financially uh you know sound. Of course, I was obviously would like an EV, which I know
is what kind of got us in the leasing discussion to begin with, but you know, >> well, there's only saying around here and we have the EV chargers and it >> Well, it makes a lot of sense, but I would say I'm I'm comfortable enough with it if we're judicious. >> Adam, can I can I just add one thing
before we go around the table? >> We have $9 million of capital expenses here. We have never had $9 million of capital expenses. That's not the recommended number. That's >> obviously we have 4 million recommended. We've never even touched 4 million. We
are usually one to three on this plus then operating. Remember this is capital. >> We're never we're never >> we are one to three. I look back numerous budgets. >> We used to be in the 1800s. >> Listen. We are also listen
taxes and the school district just did a $90 million referendum. If we don't take something out of this, people can't afford to live. >> Okay. >> And you think that's going to take us from 9 million down to 45,000 out of this capital if I can. >> So Julie,
>> no, I I gave you that I'm comfortable enough, but uh the judiciary >> I trust our CEO. Let's >> Okay. So So then the second question is about how it gets paid for. So the options council's talking about are a used car, a leasing, and a purchase. So
I think before purchasing the car, you're going to want to come back to the council with the suggestions on how those three top work what the economics look like. >> I would also codify it sounds like you know over the past
>> 150 years of the town things have happened. I like to understand again we should be intentional on everything we're doing. If people are just borrowing cars to take home and again it's like you know squatters rights. They've just been doing it for the past five years. Let's just keep doing it.
That doesn't sound right. Particularly when you tell me x years later they need a new car for the same thing that they weren't supposed to be getting as part of their cars outlined. >> Right. intentional about again who should have it when
>> the liability and detail >> all right let's go down the next gra okay next is the welcome to tennifly uh wall sign a decorative sign is by holler
park and he's going >> I would take that out too. >> Which one? >> The decorative sign. >> An $80,000 sign. >> That's a whole wall, right? >> It's not just an $8,000. >> Sorry. Time out. >> It's not an $80,000. >> So So time out. >> I will spend when it makes sense for the
community. >> This is center of town. This is where everything is. >> I hear you. I think it's too expensive for what it is, and I don't think we should spend an $80,000 sign. >> Can we back up a second? Go ahead. This this is not the electronic billboard.
Is that one? >> So would be explain part of the $80,000 is probably 37,000 for an electronic sign that would be inlaid into this decorative wall and it balances the decorative >> the one across from the back.
>> Time out. Time out. Let me pull back. Part of the idea that we're talking about is, you know, again, reimagining Higher Park. We're talking tonight about a potential amphitheater, >> right? We're talking about grassing,
putting grass, you know, all the different stuff around where the uh the monument is, >> this >> we have now, right? Correct. We have today put, you know, four ugly, you
know, planters from the 1800s just to close off Puremont. >> Oh, this would >> The whole idea is instead of taking the planters from the 1800s that we found randomly across town, we're building a real I'm making this up, brick wall that
curves from railroad, beautiful curve to uh county, right? You can imagine that. >> Yeah. That's the entrance to our town, right? If you would argue people come into our town from Dean >> from up top on 9W, right? >> There's this, you know, brick wall.
>> My father-in-law would be proud. >> Uh he was a he did bricks and then on that I assume it says Jenny's town of Tennifly, you know, in gold letters. And I assume there's a electronic board that
has what new events, what what's the concerts, what are you know all that. David, did I articulate that well? >> Yes. >> Perfect. So it's way more than a sign. It's an entire uh welcome entrance to Tenny. >> It's okay. So it's a sign and similar to
like what's in Demerest when you drive through it give the updates that >> correct? Y >> you know what I'm talking about. Um, so again, let's see. So, so let's see. Again, we understand how this Sorry, for some of us that are new, what we do is
we lay out all the different things we have. Yeah, >> we're going to do puts and takes. >> Okay. >> Uh Susan's going to help us understand what the implications are because it's and just give me a second. It's not necessarily the um total amount 9 million, right? We actually bond for
that. What is most important is what are the costs that are going to have to go into annually to you know pay for that debt. That is what Susan's going to help us understand what we could afford for for the year. >> Okay, >> this is phase one which is here are the things that all the departments have
given to the chief executive. He has codified that. You see on the right it's not $9 million. You see there are things that uh that our bur administrator has recommended and not along with our chief financial officer and the conversation today is
wait a minute we don't want that at all this is terrible I wouldn't care if it was free and equally important is wait a minute you forgot the purple t-shirt that you know needs to do >> we're just going over what's the >> exactly and then it will get allow us to
give the burough administrator and our CFO the direction to go back to their department leaders to say, "Look, council feels good on this, not good on this, >> and then refine it." Is that does that >> whatever we put into the capital plan is
about a 5% down payment that goes into the operating >> first. Let's just make sure we understand. I think the first objective is to make sure that the department heads, we understand what the department heads are asking. Why don't we just go through it a little bit and know and know before
any part we start like note it go back to >> yes go Julie's got the floor >> thank you so question because I I was looking a little bit ahead so they so this recommendation and you've described where it will be I know tonight we're
talking about phase one of the amphitheater >> right council but then here we have something called phase two of the amphitheater Is phase one um not in this budget? What was in last budget?
>> Phase one has already been appropriated. >> Gotcha. Okay. Okay. That was my question. >> Y >> So my question is if if we're going to do an entire new phase for this amphitheater and everyone wants it in Hiler, why can't we make this later when
we figure out exactly what that looks like? Why are we spending money now before we have a set plan later? You mean you're talking about the welcome of sorts? The welcome >> $8,000. >> Perfect. So, I think a very valid answer is one of Look, it's something that we
uh would like at some point. >> I don't want it. I don't say I would like it. I think it's a waste. >> Okay. Some of us may find it interesting. >> We might find out that we have too much of the 3.9 million, not 9 million. Um,
and we're going to recommend we push that off until the next year because we could absolutely have beautiful events without a welcome sign, which is definitely possible. And that could be phase two. Or we could find out, wait a minute, we took out so much other stuff
that Susan's laughing at us. Susan is too good and will never, you know, $1 of capital she'd be fine with, but we might find that there is money available. So it's again it's it's a recommend >> and then decide to
>> keep going the top understand voice when I think we're wasting our taxpayers money note I think we should all put a note next to it and say we're going to come back to it. >> Yep. Absolutely. This by the way, this by the way was supported.
>> This was this was supported by all of you during or the majority of you supported this during the strategic planning session in November. >> I so this isn't a first uh first strike. >> I I I know we know that's what let's go through everything. >> Next is a next is a an aquest board for
the building department. Um that expense is basically to allow them to view um building plans uh that are submitted electronically uh on a large screen. Um and this is a step towards uh getting
rid of all those paper files that we are running out of room to >> which one is where is that one? >> It is by >> underneath the welcome to tennifly sign. >> This is by this is by qos. No, I got it. I
>> a question where should you go down like this? >> It's like >> because it's easier then you don't skip around. >> So, why don't we go back the the first department is the building department. First one after the descriptions on the right. So, $4,000 for this board to be
able to view plans uh electronically uh to as a first step to getting rid of paper. >> Um >> no problem with that. >> Next, >> well, did they tell us? large document scanning file.
>> Large document scanning file. We do this every year. That's the cost of us scanning in all the documents every year. >> This is just person. >> Oh, okay. >> No, that's not office furniture. >> All right. So, so the next thing for the building department is uh is um the
large document scanning file of $21,000. Uh the next is office furniture for the building department of 6,300 hours. >> Sometimes we repurpose office furniture. Is there anything to move there? >> Yeah, there's no per there's no furniture to repurpose. There's we have furniture issues in a few offices, some
of which are potential POSA claims. >> All right. >> Um >> are we doing the carpet, too? Usually when we do furniture, we do carpet. >> Uh we could take a look at that. If we're taking out carpet, can we not replace carpet like a wood floor? >> Well, not even wood. There's like a
laminate like that looks like wood that's easily clean and and it's less expensive and it looks nice. Let's not do >> the luxury vinyl. >> Yeah, >> we were we were looking at to do the entire ent where >> you
Okay, >> we I wanted to do the entrance way and get rid of the green carpet. Okay, clerk, how much does the clerk want? >> If you uh if you approve a new building, we can get rid of most >> of the clerk has no capital request. The cler
capital request. >> Can I can I just go back to the clerk's office? His heating and his air conditioning unit. Have we fixed that? There's been a lot of work done building wise on HVAC um >> on this since he never >> heing issues.
>> Omar likes to be very warm. Um but yeah, there's a there's a there's a mini split in his office. >> He does like >> he has a mini split in his office like in my office. >> It's okay. Yeah, >> I'm just asking because I know that you
>> the HVAC is working as well as can be expected for a building that was built in 1965 and cut up numerous times. >> Okay. >> Um administration, I think we beat this horse to death. >> Is that the only thing we really haven't talked about is the amphitheater phase 2, which is, you know, subject to your
prerogative. >> Um >> are we talking about that now or are we talking about that later? >> No, I think we're just going through the descriptions, right? And >> it's an overview and again at the particular. >> So, and that again is is is directly from the u the strategic planning
session. >> Now, that that phase two basically would be for um uh fab prefabricated selfcleing bathrooms and storage at the end. >> So, that's what that $300,000 is for.
>> So, phase one is roughly three things in my head. It's the, you know, cement base goes up three, I'm making this up steps. The structure and light and sound. >> Yes. >> Perfect. Phase two is it could be
beautiful landscaping, bathrooms, stuff that >> Yep. Roughly, right? >> Yes. >> Perfect. >> Good. All right. So, finance uh has not asked for capital. Uh >> then the fire department is uh next up. Um,
>> we usually get a lot of grants for the defibrillators and personal equipment and the packs on the back. The scuba scoop scuba. >> Um, we've gotten some like personal protective equipment grants that we get annually. Uh, when we
>> like when we do when we do get a grant, then obviously we we don't we don't fund it from capital. If it's authorized by capital, it'll just sit there and at some point we can either cancel the the expenditure. >> Yeah. Which we did, if you recall, we
did a lot of cancellation uh in 2025. >> Yeah. Because detective and the scuba that's that's over $100,000, >> right? >> And we usually do get some of that like mayor that's like a god questionire. >> We have the budget for we have the
budget first and then we go out for the grants. Then if we don't if we get the grants, we don't >> I know. >> Yeah. >> All right. So firework. >> Um of of note here is um the fire department renovation expansion
>> uh 3.5 million and $30,000. All right. um in their explanation and again uh the chief will be here on uh Saturday to answer some specific questions and I'm meeting with them on Thursday as well uh to get more
information but it's uh there's some NFPA uh recommended um decontamination areas and so forth that they don't have the room to uh to fill. Um, so what I would suggest if the council is inclined to
entertain this at all that you would uh look at funding the architect that's requested. Uh and then with that architect, I would I would suggest that we do really a a a space utilization and efficiency study not only of a fire
department but the fire department in TAC um to see, you know, whether or not all the space is being used adequately and efficiently. and with TVAC, you know, whether or not these uh uh living quarters are used at all and whether or
not that would be something that we should sell and try to recoup that $180,000 to be used for some of these kind of expenses. >> Sorry. Yeah. >> So, I've been on both police and TV for some of this. >> One of the things that they have is when
they come after an emergency call or a fire, they want to be able to literally get hosed down in appropriate space. And I'm not sure where this went, but a couple years ago there was a plan to renovate all the bathroom and make um better bathroom and shower and a designated like um decompression. I
don't know what the right part is. >> Um is there any I would be interested in seeing that aspect. I mean this is not a very old firehouse. We've renovated this >> you know in the past 20 years. So I would be very interested to see if we can make that space work for our PE work
for our responders much more so than an overall architect and space study. >> So I where are you where we have architects that are currently working on the municipal center and uh is that something that they could we could just
kind of employ them? what I understand and again we could ask the chief when he's here on Saturday. From what I understand the architect that they having in mind is is a architect that is familiar specifically with the NFPA requirements and firehouses.
>> Can we add the one that we're >> what do those initials mean? And then >> the National Fire Protection Act. I'd be interested to know if the the >> current architects >> ask negatively if they have anyone on their team that does >> first responders don't >> and again if we did go down the road of
a different architect or one specializing in a fire uh scenario we would do an RFP and yeah it could be it would be competitive and you could look at our current >> normal process. >> Yeah. But I still don't think we should be looking at the full building. I I think it should really be refined to
that need >> and I do think that that would of course contain costs better but also sort of what they're looking for is >> well we need to find out what need basically I've been trying to meet with them for a few weeks and obvious
I'm I'm meeting with them on Thursday to get a better understanding of what this $3.5 million expansion is for what it covers And hopefully we'll get into some more granular detail that I can bring together. >> Yeah, it be nice to know the scope of what the size >> other thing I'm going to say is since
we're looking at municipal complex. >> Yeah, that's >> it might make sense to plan it at the same time with the same person because then we are not >> duplicating effort. One architect looks at both faces. >> That's what I >> Yes. >> I just think Yeah, I think that that
makes a lot of sense. Um, next is gas and CO meters for $4,000. Mobile radios for $30,000. >> We get agreement on that. We've gotten that. >> Um, we could So, what I would say is if if you're inclined to say that the need is there, that you want to support their
request, >> put it into the capital ordinance, but you seek grants for anything that we can see grants for to offset the capital ordinance. So, we were replacing radios like 10 at a time or something because they're expensive. So, I'm curious to
know how many are still remaining. >> And that detail um I think is is within their narratives that you'll be getting. Uh but we'll we'll get that information to you. >> Thank you. >> Uh >> the 60,000 Crown Vic. Can we talk about
that one? >> So, hold 35,000. Oh, personal protective clothing is the 35,000. >> Yeah, that's the one I said we've gotten. >> Um, and then the $75,000 is for the scuba pack bottles
>> and and federal government always has that one. I know they always have. >> And the $30,000 is for tower two. >> Well, you're not recommending that. >> Tower two, lighter. >> Actually, I thought we did. No, you did
not. I I see that now tank system is we'll check power to like the second ladder truck. >> Yeah, I think this is the older one. >> So the emergency lights apparently are not functioning.
>> Do we use two lads? I thought we only needed one. We actually got a new one. Uh from what I understand they alternate month. >> I again I think we get some more information. Um, so that's the fire >> I'm sorry chatting. There's a light out
in our brand new fire truck or the old >> So the emergency lights in the old ladder truck they call the tower truck are failing. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So it's a safety issue. But I, you know, I think let's let the chief uh give us some more information on that as well. >> I would like to know how much to service that to see if it's possible.
>> It's $30,000 >> to service the lights. >> Yeah, the 30,000 1.3 million fire truck. So I'll take the 30. >> Great. >> So the the so fire prevention >> is the request for this replace the
Crown Victoria from 2002 with an electric or hybrid vehicle which is the $60,000. >> So again this is same thing. I I'm not buying cars. >> So I would like to see some options on that car.
>> Yeah. I basically um for the last three four years certainly through the two years that I've been here the same request is is submitted every year. Um >> sense >> I I think that you know I I get the whole process of wanting to get electric vehicles but you could probably get them
a $30,000 gas vehicle to serve the same purpose. So we could we could take a look at that. >> But we pay for that gas that fire engine >> you would pay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, >> I'd be curious to know how much gas we spend here, but you know.
>> Yeah, I mean it's basically their their travel is all around town. So, >> Oh, I'm saying I think they use a lot of gas. My point is I think they actually use a lot of gas >> the fire prevention books. I we could check with gas. I can get a report from Pat on Gas Boy from the go-ups down in
the garage and see what that what that is. >> So, the state supposed to do a car electric vehicle thing for all the municipalities. What's ever h what ever happened? >> Um that really never it was a very low amount of money per vehicle. Um that uh
didn't make a lot of sense. It didn't really give us much if we were to get if we were to seek the grant. So it didn't defy a lot of the cost. >> The state tries to help us make like pricing on things. >> Yeah. >> So next is uh the police department.
Again, Chief Chairman will be here on Saturday. Um, so we can go down his list if you have anyone particular questions. Uh, I will tell you that we have deferred buying uh new police vehicles
over the last uh two years. We uh did not buy any last year um through the capital plan. He was able to get a vehicle uh through the outside duty uh uh funds that that the council approved during the year. Um, I would say also
that uh uh part of the cost of uh this requested a vehicle would be defraed by the JIP insurance check for the car that was totaled by the accident that uh officer Monty had. Um I think that was in January that accident. >> So can I talk about the vehicle up
front? So >> are we replacing the damaged vehicle or is this an addition to that vehicle? You would want you would be replacing the damaged vehicle and buying additional >> you would get insurance. >> Yeah. 37,000. So $37,000 is what the
insurance is paying us and that would defay the cost. >> Okay. >> For the patrol vehicle >> for patrol vehicles. >> Okay. >> Usually the um police cover some uplift vehicle uplift costs. Do you know if they >> they usually pay for the car and then we pay >> or they've done it
>> the PBA? You mean the outside? No, the outside >> maybe it's not >> they provide the list at some point a list of all the the car. >> Yeah, we we've circulated that a couple of times. >> We're supposed to have that with the budget because you know all the vehicle
lists and all the inventory equipment list stuff. >> So again, the chief could go over, you know, the his need for the vehicles. Um there the there's a pickup truck requested uh this specifically for the office of emergency management. Um,
>> it's under the police, right? >> It's under the police because that's where I mean, Captain Data is your uh OEM coordinator and Lieutenant Grievy is the deputy OEM coordinator. Uh, it's separate of it's a separate appointment. They do a great job representing us in
in that area. Um and this vehicle would basically be available not only to OEM but to the police um for you know getting getting to areas where if they have a high water scenario or other
disaster um that is the request that they are putting forth go ahead. >> So if we're going to get a vehicle for admin I would put that as a shared right there. I would not get a separate OEM vehicle for a few emergencies. Thank God
we have throughout the year. At least combine and have one less vehicle as budget. >> I think we should have a list of vehicles that are requested and let's look to see who's requesting it and what the usage is. I think that would >> I would like that in combination with
what we had prior which is I know David was already going to have kind of topline who who's currently using a vehicle already. So not only the request but maybe just that that whole picture of of that would be very helpful for us.
>> Sure. >> The exercise training masks is that to replace exercise training mats or because they feel like they need new that they had something they want moving forward >> basically with some of the requirements uh they have the the mats that they currently use are not uh are not
suitable to meet the standards for public employees and push and so forth. So, uh, these mats are what the chief is recommending that they get, uh, to safely do their training. >> Will they they'll be they'll stay in one
place or are they going to be back that can be folded up? >> That I Well, we don't know. We I I'll find that out for you. Um, but I I I would imagine they are basically used over the gym area, but we can find that out. Okay. Next is your Department of
Public Works. uh the $145,000 for um the lifts, the mechanics lifts. These basically are these are this is another issue of safety. The current lifts that we have for the mechanics to work on. Um
the heavy vehicles and so forth are not adequate are not adequate to uh to uh be safely utilized. Uh so this is being recommended by public works director Um, >> what is that lift exactly? I'm sorry.
>> It's it's a it's a lift to raise the heavy duty vehicles for them to work on the car. >> So, when they need service, >> don't we send them out for service? >> Uh, but we have we have already we have qualified mechanics. >> We have a whole mechanic shop. >> We don't send that out.
>> No, not right. I mean though it's >> yes, but it's also a um it's a good cost savings if you're able to do the work in house. And this particular request is for a safety machine. >> How old are the ones that are in the
last? I could find out the age of them, but from what I'm being told, they're not the the lifts that you currently have are not uh suitable for lifting the uh tonnage and the weight of the current vehicles. >> I'm just saying like if we're spending $145,000, I want to know how many years
I get out of that. >> Oh, sure. Sure. I can get that >> in the lifetime. What we think if it's going to be, you know, 20 years, then sure. If it's going to be five, then I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And and then you have the whole issue of what the local bond law will allow you in that particular category.
So you know the you could finance it over the the expected life of the asset. >> Probably going to be about 15 years. >> Yeah, probably that would then then that's more reasonable I think. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um next up is the replacement
of uh the front end loader. >> Are we getting rid of the other one? be I don't know that but I know that I would imagine if they're replacing it yes >> that are going to be need to be traded in or put up for auction
>> and then replace the triplex mower >> uh I believe we have believe we have one motor that is in need of being of being replaced Um, again, like this this front end loader is is a a piece of equipment that
just loaded all the salt into the vehicles. And >> you know, when with DBW, >> it's working just fine. >> And you need when you need DBW to to to perform as they have, we've got to provide the equipment.
>> Look, as a strategy, we we you know, we used to get five different major pieces of equipment. >> Yeah. We've told >> pretty much we've said you know one a year and that allows us to kind of keep you know doing >> if you look that this is the one thing >> and we trust our executives to this is
the most important that is >> yeah they used to be a lot worse but um I just want to make sure >> like can another vehicle can another vehicle in the fleet do the job of what this is >> an articulated front end loader is a
specialized piece of equipment >> that's what I'm asking >> not a dump truck It picks up, I don't know, 10 yards of gravel, of snow, whatever it might be in the front area. >> Yes. >> Like, sorry. >> Yes.
>> Right. It load it loads material from the front of the vehicle. >> Okay. The uh the next is $101,000. It's to replace a 26y old u triplexer. Um,
again, you know, we we pride ourselves on the appearances of our parks and this is a piece of equipment needed to continue that uh exemplary service >> and and that's not like the fanciest highest end like that's
>> triplex mower is a is a lawn mower where you pro you have you have three individual blade sections of 48 to 60 inch blades. >> So, Mr. Mayor, just because you're a dork doesn't mean you have >> Well, she's asking, so I'm going to talk about that, >> right? It's not your average John Deere
lawn mower for your backyard. It's probably about 15 ft wide, 16 ft wide. >> Okay, David. Okay, the next is an $18,000 lawn mower that needs to be replaced. >> Uh then we get into the meat and
potatoes of uh uh what we do here. uh the road uh the DOT road program $800,000. >> Is that the grant? >> Uh well, it's a it's part of the grant, but so the >> the actual construction cost, I think,
is 672,000 and you have engineering, I think the grant uh for this uh particular DOT uh project is $169,000. Okay. This is for port. This is going to be for phase one portion of Old Smith Road. Uh we had a meeting yesterday with
the mayor and uh burrow engineer and uh the burough engineer is recommending that the mayor contact the governor's office for discretionary aid to get a larger portion of this uh uh cost taken care of. So we're going to work on that.
>> We can't do a convent we can't do a congressional anything up there, right? But we just got awarded $850,000. >> And matter of fact, >> literally Josh's street. >> What do you mean? >> Well, he's on forest.
>> No, he's on. Yeah, >> he has to go, right? That's how he goes up. I'm just saying. >> Um, >> I'm laughing. >> All right. >> Sure. So, next is our road resurfacing uh a townwide program through the cooperative. Um, it's for a million
dollars, which is the level that we have done in the past. Now, I would note uh very importantly that only 500,000 is being put into the bond as a recommendation and $500,000 is uh is uh
uh Riverside Cooperative monies from previous uh years that we have available. >> That's good. >> And this and this takes in mind all the stuff that PSEG is also has to do that >> that's in addition to >> Yeah. So PSG Yeah. So there's quantities that get transferred and credits and so
forth. So PSG will be doing a certain number of roads and we're doing a certain number of roads >> there. Excuse me, would be a lot of paving being done. Now PSMG is supposed to do paving starting in April uh and over the summer and into the fall. This uh Riverside Cooperative paving will
predominantly be after the Fourth of July during July. >> And then we have paving our emergency responder lots. >> Yeah. So I one of the things that we have is that these these numbers the 220 the 126 and the 60 they've been carried
over from year to year from a number of uh uh previous DPW directors and administrators. So I'm not really sure that the numbers are accurate. Uh one of the things that we're looking at is is putting those quantities into the Riverside Cooperative and seeing what
the number would be for a 2-in overlay uh for those areas. So, uh, we'll come back to you with that. I'm not recommending >> just a reservicing basically. >> Yeah. I'm not recommending the these projects at this time. Let's see where we are with the cooperative and, you
know, >> that's fault pricing. >> If the numbers come in and we can fit it into your million dollars, then maybe that's what we do. Um, and then we have uh that that sort of ends up with the CSX crossing at Mahana,
West Mahan. Mayor, what's the status on that? >> And that's 550,000. >> The contract is in >> the contract. The contract is in the hands of uh CSX for their review. We've gone back and forth with it a couple of
times. It's now in their hands. >> It's just about done. >> So crazy. They're like >> there's um so I I didn't print it out for for this meeting, but uh the traffic engineer does have a a detailed budget for the actual
construction in the back of his proposal. >> Um which I believe Omar is 4 I want to say $473,000 or 400 it's over $400,000 actual construction and then you have
engineering. Is he doing the whole straight or is he just doing the crossing over the over the railroad? >> It's the This is the crossing over the railroad and the approach to it. >> So, and this is actually taking the rail out. >> That was my next question. >> And then doing the uh doing the crossing
like like we did like they did at River. >> You got to ask. >> Yeah, I was going to make sure because those are leeching into the earth. So, I just want to make sure we remove the >> Yeah. and John is here tonight so he can give you some specific detail on what would be involved in that.
>> Um then we go >> oh buildings and grounds. So buildings and grounds is uh >> yeah we want that. >> Okay. >> Susan likes to print this stuff and nothing that you're going to say. >> Oh it's totally fine.
>> Nothing we're recommending. No, let's keep going. >> Wait, you have the 175, right? >> Do we have irrigation? >> We just have a budget though for plants and that kind of >> Yeah. So 175. >> Oh, sorry. You are open space. >> Yeah.
That's I don't know what >> irrigation for Davis Johnson. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So the Davis Johnson irrigation is cut it's covered through the donation that we received. >> Oh, great. So that's no cost to the burrow. It's certainly out of the trust. >> It's coming out of the trust.
>> 175 is for irrigation at Grove Street Park to keep all the landscaping and vegetation alive. >> Yum. >> Let me put that in the ordinance. >> Are we taking out the the sprinkler system? >> This is in the ordinance.
>> Sorry. So the the Davis Johnson Park is replacing that irrigation system >> and that's being paid for out of the trust and we had a couple of sides of old donations to the trust this year >> from the same from the same uh state. Can I just ask you a question about
because I know some of these are being discussed tonight, but the grow streets irrigation, the water for the plants, does that also cover water that'll allow the um the water filling stations and the there's like little dog I know
there's also a dog water. Is that all the same irrigation? >> That's not the irrigation. This irrigation would be to to be able to to have um irrigation tool for the plants and the vegetation and trees. >> Um the the there's already irrigation
for >> there is already there >> for dog for the dog park. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like it's uh it's already Okay. I wasn't sure. >> And that what there's a water bottle filling station there. Is that >> Yes. That >> that working? >> Yes. Well, I mean it's turned off for
the winter. >> Yeah. Okay. All right. Like last I checked, I wasn't sure. >> Yes, it would be turned on once we get uh rid of the frost. >> Great. >> Um building. So the other part of buildings and grounds is a bunch of
requests for uh flooring and so forth. Um, again here I think the position is if we hear what the fire department has in mind is renovation and expansion. If you're going to go down that road, then you
wouldn't necessarily spend money on current flooring there. >> Well, that's true. >> Um, >> yeah, we're not going to put uh >> too much money into this >> $150,000 something. Susan and I went uh last week to the TVACT and to the police
department and like you know the $9,000 for painting the walls at the police department you and I told the chief directly you know gets to get a couple magic erasers and figure stuff for $9,000.
Um, you want some party? >> All right. So, go to the next topic. Keep going. >> Where are we next? >> Recycling center. Is there nothing? Nothing. >> There's nothing there. >> Recreation. >> Recreation. Yes. >> Football helmets. >> Recreation. Football helmets which they
ask for each year. >> Um, >> isn't that a safety issue? >> Yeah, >> it is. But it's certainly be a capital issue that that >> So, it's going to go in the operating budget. Oh, okay. So, we're going to buy them just an in operating. >> They're in two places, by the way. The helmets. >> They are. >> No, but maybe under police. They have
helmets. >> No. >> No. But so, that really is an operational expense. It shouldn't be a capital expense. >> Y >> um then we go basically into parks and fields. This would uh all come out of the open space uh >> ordinance. Can we talk about the outdoor
fitness because >> Sure. And that's ab all of this is actually in the ordinance that's being introduced tonight. >> Yeah. I I wish that we had actually made that ordinance in pieces. I'd like to vote on each thing separately, but it's lumped together. I want to talk about this because it has been proposed in the
past. It needs a certain diameter to put the outdoor fitness equipment in because it needs to be stabilized and we were never able to have a location for it. Do we have a location? >> So I think if I remember correctly that when we were talking about the senior pathway >> Yeah. and going and
>> putting some equipment around >> putting equipment around it and being part and then when we you're talking about like bidding like uh getting a grant or something and including this and what the money that we asked for remember we're like oh let's think about how to make it as as robust as we could
and maybe the this exercise equipment would actually enhance that to your walkway that was part of I thought that was what we were talking about >> is that is that your understanding David that so some of this can be put back in. >> And there's also a potential grant um
through uh Horizon New Cross Blue Shield that we can seek. >> I'm I'm all for this equipment. I love the idea, but again, >> before I budget for it, I want to know where it's going. >> It's going around that it wasn't it wasn't allowed to be near the water or near the road like it needs distance.
>> Well, near the road there, you know, above that is R. Mayor Rustin actually wanted this. So when the sear the sear pathway that we're talking about the walkway. >> Yes. >> So we'd have to just be planning it so that it's in areas that aren't >> away from.
So again though before we budget for it I'd like to see I I I don't like to have this something that we >> Again this is this is a this is a recommend this is a request from the recreation department. So we put it into the open space ordinance uh that's that's before you tonight. Can we vote
on open space tonight? >> It doesn't it doesn't necessarily mean you can spend right. It's another process to spend that that'll come before you. >> Yeah. I'm asking for the open space to be to be >> tonight. I don't want to vote on it as
solid ordinance. I want to vote on it. >> I don't think the open should be lump. >> I don't think it's unreasonable, David. I I completely disagree. There's things in there I want to vote on. Yes. There's things in there I want to vote on. >> Let me ask a question. the 30,000. Is it not enough money?
>> No, I I don't want to vote on it until we have a plan. >> I don't want to put it in for open space budgeting until we have planning for the >> if you don't get to the table. >> What we were asking for that you can't
get to the table or not >> and then add to it, >> right? I do not think we should be voting in open space tonight as a lump sum again. And I'm going to request that we vote on each item individually and I don't think it's inappropriate to do that. Open space needs to be decided per
item. >> There's things. >> So, so since it's on the agenda, when we get to that part of the agenda, you guys can decide. It's either going to be yes or no. I I think we the challenge that Lauren's saying is we have a number of open space uh
expenditures in one ordinance. >> It should have been >> and uh that surprised me too when I read it today. I don't want to >> I I will say, you know, I it's everything in the one ordinance and and usually we don't send it to you.
>> And usually we vote on it by item that we say we're going to do this project in open space and there's a single ordinance for that. And so I'm sorry if it's more paperwork. I truly am, but I don't want to vote tonight and I love. >> All right. >> So when we get to that part of the agenda, if if you guys want to pull from
this, if you want to pull it, we'll pull it. If you don't, >> we'll see how the vote goes. That's all. vote separately and most of it I want and some of it I don't and I think >> so there's one or two things that you're having question about instead of doing 10 different ones maybe we take out the
two that are um >> but I might have two and Jenny might have a different two >> sometimes sorry sometimes open space depending on how many projects are on the table right then and there we will lump them together because then we do them in the
capital plan's one item, we put one item. If there's multiple items, we put them together as one project one more project. >> And again, that you have to spend. You want to have separate votes that come before you to actually spend
>> and you could not use it or you could add to it as a supplemental form if you need more money. >> Susan, yes, you usually lump some after we have voted it. No, no. I mean, you pick it's voted in as as one vote instead of usually we vote in that we're going to say we're going to use open
space for this and then you make your big >> Wait, I'm sorry, David. I'm sorry. Just repeat what you just said. We voted in. I just want to understand I want to not just ask. >> So, you'reing from the open space trust bar. It doesn't mean you're spending it. >> We're going to have to vote.
You're going to do specifications. >> You're going to have another resolution. If you don't vote for it now, then it's off. We can't vote for it. >> They don't have the money available. >> That's not true. Lauren's saying I we can add it there. >> You can you can do you can do as many you can you can do an open space road
dance every >> The thing about open space is we have the money already. >> So it doesn't have to be doesn't have to be part of the budgeting. >> I'm saying you don't have to put open space now. You can put half of it in now that we know we definitely want and have a plan. some of that we want to spend pretty quickly
>> and then we can just take everything. I'm not I'm not not trying to make a trust. I want to see the project. >> What's we have a councilman coming up soon? >> Uh we got >> Well, hold on. So the rest of this for
the recreation department are again all through the open space is the electronic keypads >> uh >> because people are walking their dogs and >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> letting their dogs brand new tennis court.
>> So if I'm a res I want to go play tennis on a Sunday morning. How do I do it? >> I reserve a spot. >> Yep. >> And you should be doing that through this. And on Sunday morning, no one's there to reserve a spot. So >> reserve it ahead of time through the >> but that's the process. It's like if you
want to join, if you want to go swim in the pool, you got to join the pool. If you want to play in the tennis court, you have to reserve a spot. >> No one's stopping you. >> I'm saying on Saturday and Sunday, no one's in the office to get the code. So if I didn't decide until Saturday or Sunday I want to play tennis, I can no longer
>> You'll get a code. The code doesn't change by. >> Right. Right. I think this is >> it's like any other it's like any other recreational or sport activity. >> It's not it's it's really it's not inter community at all. >> You have to otherwise it'll be destroyed. >> Again, we're not >> the corps will be destroyed.
>> Right. Literally, they're letting animals defecate. I'm going to slower. Animals are defecating. >> I'm sorry about that. I really am. >> But I go to other towns and I use their courts and I play basketball in other towns and I play on someone else's
soccer. This isn't the other towns. The other towns should do it our way. >> Then they'd be better towns. >> A shame. I'm just >> Next is the handball wall that requested by the recreation director uh for the multi-use area. >> Well, that's interesting.
>> It actually be used a lot and I I multiport purposes. >> Next is uh lighting for the tennis ball courts. >> This actually is a $500,000 request. Um, this uh is being recommended to be submitted to the open Bergen County Open
Space Grant for this year. Uh, if it were to be awarded, then uh you would spend $250,000 or you get $250,000 reimbured. >> We usually get a third rather than we usually get a third rather than a half from the county.
>> You've been getting you've been getting >> So if we don't if we don't get a grant, we don't money. >> No, we're absolutely >> Oh, okay. All right. >> I believe the 17 that we spent on the tennis store didn't include the lighting. That's just outrageous. >> The cost of business.
>> That's what things cost. >> 1.7 million. >> If we don't get the grass, >> we're not going to do it. Correct. >> Next. >> Okay. Next is TAC. >> 75,000. >> Lauren, you asked about TAC.
>> I did. TAC always has a lot of requests. Although we got to put these back on hopey. So they wanted a I think did they want to replace a vehicle also? Right. >> Yeah. We'll get to that. I mean they have um >> they have two two of them.
>> Electric uh responder chargers for $5,000. Uh pagers for $8,000. Portable radios for $30,000. >> What's the Why are they asking for pagers when they have those radios that they take home? Again, this is a question to ask uh
>> JPAC when they're here. >> Usually, they send the radio home with the person who's on call. >> Yes. And and they buy $30,000 worth of radio or request $30,000 worth of radios every year. >> Um >> Right. So, I'm saying why do we also paging them?
>> So, I don't think every member takes a radio home. I think it's the >> I think if you're just on call, right, that >> one call or the person in charge for that particular crew assignment. >> Again, I I I agree. I mean, there needs to be some clarity on what they're doing
with these requests. >> Likewise, they want to replace this responder 40 and responder 43 electric vehicles 80,000 >> and 90,000. Um, >> and these are these are >> structure.
>> Oh, retrofitted >> the retrofitted ones that are painted tennifly. >> Yeah. >> And go onto the field. >> Yes. >> These are the ones that go on. >> Yes. So, I think we what we need to find out is specialized. >> Are these are these electric vehicles
not working? Are they not finding repairs for them? >> You know, >> they're not that old. >> That's what I mean. Buying them. >> Yeah, that's what I mean. zero. >> That's why I recommended zero, but I think we need to hear from JP as to what their specific need is.
>> Yep. >> Um, and then TVAC, I think that covers TVAC. >> All right. Uh, we're getting there. Uh, >> 135,000 for the pool. >> Yeah. So, the pool 135,000. >> Uh, this is this is rather urgent if
we're going to be able to get this work done prior to opening. Um, so, uh, $65,000 of this is for playground equipment that has been >> that has been speced out.
>> Okay, let's get let's get through this. >> So, $65,000 that has been for playground equipment that's been specked out by the recreation director. Um, then there's a new roof for all three of the buildings. The uh the
>> new uh shingles, right? shingles. We're not >> We're not roofing like the carpentry, just the shingles. >> Yeah, just the shingles. >> Well, it depends on what they find, right? You're talking about whether there's new plywood or not. >> Yeah, I know plywood's included in the shingles, right? >> I'm just going to ask and I know it's
old, but how long's the 30 years plus? >> Yeah, they the roof should have been replaced last year, but >> we ran out of time last year. >> Yeah. and and this particular what roofing job need to be done well ahead of the season so we make sure you get all the nails up and all that stuff um
and also uh uh reapoxing the bathroom floors. >> So can I just say that the what you've described with the roof and the and the bathroom floors is different than the playground equipment. Are we gonna be parsing that out? Because the obviously
the stuff that's more front burner like we got to do it to open this thing is different than $65,000 playground. >> Yeah, we're already doing a lot to have the pool up and running and we're taking on that. the playground equipment maybe
is the >> there's a big request on the playground equipment from all of the members of all >> but this is also on the the heels of a year ago. >> What did we put in to get this up and running about 250
>> 250 >> 250 and so now we're at another do the math about the 65 >> 135. So I I I mean I don't know that the playground equipment it should be in
that thin category. All right. >> Also, can I just say that there was um people wanted slide like more slides and stuff like pool equipment. >> Go ahead Jenny. What you saying? What was the answer to that? >> I was going to say that the playground is a bigger request than the slides and
other things because the playground was there. We took it out and it needed to be replaced. >> Oh, I think that a playground too serious. So the way um you know we've done full playground but 65 it's not that big of a space. I mean are we doing a very high? Are we just doing like
climbers and stuff? >> Well I think this moving I think it's not going in the space that it was because distance there. So she we'll get some information. >> Jamie she's she's picked it out. She has it all like she's got it ready. And again, you know, this is something
that that you will spec out and you'll have another separate vote on whether or not you want to do this. >> I mean, this is different clearly though than getting it up and running. I'm just saying, you know, we are in the middle of the summer 350K
of of our money to get the pool ready. >> They're supposed to raise funds. >> Are they Yes. Well, actually, just super quick question about that. They're supposed to raise >> are they are they allowed to raise funds for playground equipment should they want it? The members of that of that
pool. >> Well, the pool utility could fund the pool capital, but you're not you're you're literally in the infancy of this pool utility. >> In the account, >> there is no capital plan for utility. This isn't the regular capital plan. Oh,
>> I'm saying how much is in the account now? What we on last year? Last year we had 307,000 in our budget and then then we reported I think over 400,000 in revenue but we had an operating slight deficit. >> Well that's what I was asking how much to run to
>> the pool was very successful. >> I agree. I'm making this >> but Julie that I used to bel have a playground there because some of the younger um parents that have younger children they don't want their kids in the in the water the whole time. Yeah.
>> So then they'll go and go to the playground with them and it's good for their, you know, >> I guess for me it's the question of what we do with almost every uh special interest group that comes to it. It's usually they, you know, whether it's little league or whatever or tennis or
and they they say, "Okay, this is what we're going to fundra for as well." Right? So there there's there's where this my my question lies. you know, we're at hundreds of thousands in. I would totally on board. I love the fact
we saved the pool. I I'm just talking about that level of buy in for the type of equipment we're talking about. I I don't know if this is a very tall ask for the people who do want to go to the pool. >> Yeah. >> I think it's really important to the members and the committee on the pool.
like they just really like emphasized this as it was taken out before and that was an important aspect of their community like recreation that they loved at the pool and now they're like it's a priority. So just to put it out there like it is important to them if
you're wondering like is it that important to them but >> can they fund raise >> so also >> nobody not want doesn't want a house funding we all love playgrounds so I always ask for extra money for each of
our playgrounds also to make for >> um I don't know >> ADA compliant >> ADA compliant I always ask for increases but my different question on the pool is that last year when we I interviewed some of the families for some of the lifeguards. They said they were worried about unsafe conditions in the locker
rooms and their lifeguard stand. Somebody got hurt. Somebody broke their nose. There was safety issues actually that I don't think I'm hearing addressed yet. And I know we were >> the first of us hearing about it. So >> when it happened, I brought up someone broken nose. What does that mean?
>> Yeah. So one of the lifers, you know, anyway, when I brought it up, I brought up at the council table and they said, "Well, the pool committee is going to deal with this." And so again, I before we start spending tons of money at this pool, I think safety should be a priority first.
>> And those issues are including the 135. >> But I'm saying why are we spend the pool utility should be spending >> pool utility doesn't have the funds to do it in this particular >> there's no money there. >> And I'm not giving them a playground before I'm giving them safety for their lifeguards. >> It's all part of the 135.
>> So >> it's all part of it. >> I understand. If you don't get the members say if you don't get the members then the pool will not be successful, right? So you want to have amenities there for the for whoever's going to use the pool.
>> I would use 65,000 to make a better lifeguard area safety. They had no changing rooms in their private. >> No one's asking for change and there are changing rooms there. >> We just have life back up. So, we know
that this includes 65,000 of pool of playground equipment. You're saying that if we say yes to this that they're still going to have to come back to us with different designs and possibly cost less. >> This is this is a budget conversation.
>> You get this budget conversation, not a design conversation. >> No, but but it's budget in the sense of I've never seen anyone come in and spend less than we appropriate. that that's the only to that but you have the ability well hold on a second
>> you have the ability when when the playground is designed and the playground comes before you and it's on state contract or bur cooperate or whatever yeah it's there's maybe a resolution before you to either purchase the playground equipment or not >> I guess I would say at this stage though
but reducing that from $65,000 playground so that so to like 35 and then have them work >> and then add to it Right. I was going to say in stage stage one that's done all the >> Okay. But so so
>> I would do that >> Mark. I would say for me I would look but you guys hold on a second. As soon as you do that you're just picking numbers out of thin air and it doesn't mean anything. You need to get >> So the department is requesting this amount of money right and then they're
going to come to you with the presentation of what that buys. I don't know. >> They're coming to us. >> They're coming on Saturday. Yeah, they'll be here Saturday. You go to Jamie. So, all right, I'll shut up. So, here's the issue. Jamie Kennedy runs the pool, right? >> The pool The pool committee is
>> That's purely advisory. They don't have any operational authority. >> But I think they should attend and listen to the conversation. Maybe let us know what they're thinking. >> But they have. >> Yeah, they have. And that's what >> before budget. We have time to talk
about >> the pool committee is intimately involved with everything with the pool 100%. >> But they should hear back from our concerns or questions. >> Okay. >> Well, we will do that on Saturday. >> All right. >> Saturday start at 92 9 to 12.
>> Well, we're probably going to go 9 to 12:30 12:45. Your last 8. >> Pardon me. >> Chief, >> that's Omar's first. >> There you go, Omar. >> Sorry. Okay. All right. >> Five minutes, guys. What else?
>> Questions. >> Is there guys? Let's f Anything else we need to talk about with this? >> Again, this is the start of the process. You're going to get a lot more detail on Saturday with most of your questions. >> And final capital is uh slated to be
before you for March 25th. >> I did have a question for you know, we're talking about future. easily in the future we put up 500,000 for milling paving and um in our road program we've been doing that for many years we put up some money >> what do you mean some money
>> so there's a million dollars >> there's a million dollar >> next year no program when we put aside the stuff we're milling quarters we don't put anything we don't do >> are you talking about temporary versus cap versus permanent that you're
referring No, usually we do like some >> we only budget roads for the current year. >> Yeah, >> I think I think she's referring to what was temporary earlier. >> Um, quick question for everybody. >> Is there anything that's on just be
helpful? Is there anything not on this list that we have spoken about from from our strategic session or something else that you guys wanted that we haven't shared with David and Susan? Yet I don't see I have asked that we need to
investigate at Walnut a crucified for that but we haven't we haven't where were we doing a staging statement? >> No there's money I think there's $50,000 appropriated for park there's old appropriation >> anything else. Oh, >> and then it was going to be a second
phase of bathrooms and and clean water over there at Walnut because the little kids that that's who uses that field and again >> I don't know that it was affordable. I I >> the kids use that field at Walnut and there's no >> Okay, but my thing that we brought up
and and just remind me from the strategic session was the bathrooms which were going to be phase two at Gro Street Park. Where were we on that? So, um, couple of things. One is, uh, John
Jar as special project engineer has, um, located a pre-fabricated bathroom that could be put in place. Uh, we need to explore that option a little bit. Um, the mayor had uh had uh, I seen
something I think at the municipalities about a self-cleaning bathroom. We need to get some details on that. Sort of combine the two and that would be the solution I think to where we can put bathrooms where we have water and sewer. Uh so that would be a solution to grocery park
>> and that would go into uh this uh budget. >> I don't have the detail pricing on yet. >> I need to see you the baseball field. The little league field. No.
>> No. Okay. >> This is talking about >> ask anything else. Anything else that that we >> Can I just ask one last question on everyone? If we're not appropriating for that, we we don't have I know we have a little time before this budget comes to
fruition, but if we don't get those answers and then we don't appropriate money for it, does that mean that we could not do it for this upcoming year? >> For what? >> No, you could that bathroom for growth. >> Open space. >> You're talking about through open space or through the capital?
>> No, through capital. Um you you typically we just do the one capital for regular capital, but you also could do a supplemental capital if you wanted to. >> I have I have something. >> So we're talking about a wall like a a hand wall.
>> It might actually be a good location to do another art installation like a Keith Herring kind of >> on the wall itself. >> On the wall itself. >> That would be interesting. So maybe we put I don't know where we would put the money for an artist to actually do it.
>> I guess we would have to have some sense of what that would cost to put it somewhere. >> I mean, >> can I make a request? >> Yeah. >> I'd like to see the past five years of capital, how much we spent. I'm curious on our tax rate.
>> I'd like to see >> I think you know again >> you said four about $4 million last year. >> Yes, I know but I want to see for the past five years I want to see the tax rate. >> It's gone up a lot. >> Just put in perspective this $4 million that we have right now which we're agreeing to but there's 4 million on the
books right now >> 50% of it more than 50% of it is roads. >> So again it's a question of do our residents want you know better roads. Look, I hope PSMG rep talking about capital.
>> One comment. So maybe Julie. >> Go ahead. >> I move to close. >> I have one more comment to make. It's a little league field. Unless you have a capital question. >> I I just want to say maybe this year PSEG redoing all our roads. Maybe we don't spend maybe we spend half a
million on the grant. >> Just if you can guarantee PSG is actually going to do the work. People like their roads and their snow plowing. >> Just saying. >> So, it's not a We've never had enough. >> Well, roads are the last thing we should pull out the budget.
>> I I'm not sure. I'm saying do the DOT grants, do Old Smith, do the milling and paving. PSMG says they're supposed to do every road. We've never had that opportunity before, ever, hold their feet to the fire and not spend another million. >> Well, let's >> Well, those are discussions I think we
can have as as the weeks go by. All right, Little League field. We're talking to the Little League leadership and the contractor. We are moving the construction to the summertime after the season. >> Because of the weather, they cannot get the field done in time for opening day. >> It's not possible.
>> 30 to $40. >> So, what does that mean? >> Such a shame. >> No one can use it. >> No, no, no, no. I didn't say that. >> They use it as is. >> They use it. We We cannot because of the weather. They cannot get it done by opening day. It's physically impossible
with the with the weather the way it is. >> So, what they're going to do is they'll start immediately after closing day, get it done in the summer before the fall season starts. >> They need 60 full days of good of of halfway decent weather. >> Wow.
>> And the season opens before >> let joint use know because the school in the summer let who know >> they use the field over there. >> Oh, they won't be using it this summer. I'm saying joint use will >> you know they hold school and they hold programs over the summer. >> They don't want to pay for anything.
>> We'll let them >> we'll let them know. >> Motion. >> Do you have a motion to close a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I presenter they can't come tonight. So we're going to push them to notch.
>> So which one is that? >> For the municipal complex. >> They can come tonight. So we're taking all the agenda. >> Wonderful. Part: 2
are posted on the public Bolton board in the lobby of the municipal center and published in the record within the first 10 days of the new year. Salute to the flag, please. Omar, roll call, please. >> Council member Corsair >> here. >> Council member Dayton
>> here. >> Council member Jackson >> here. >> Council member Michaels >> present. >> Council member Dr. Okconor >> here. >> Council member Roli >> Maya >> here. Okay. So before we start with the next item on the agenda, I want to do another huge shout out to the Department
of Public Works for the uh terrific fantastic job they did on the most recent snowstorm. And from what I hear, we're getting a few more inches tomorrow morning. So they'll uh they'll be out there again. But thank you to DPW, everyone there. Fabulous
>> respect neighbors. You could tell where it tly is and where the next. >> That's right. >> Pretty amazing. >> Okay. Bright View Engineering. We're going to have a presentation. John, would you like to come on up,
please? John, do you need easel? >> Do you need easel? Mayor Council >> John Engineering. Thank you very much for having me. And keep thinking with the order of agenda, our first item up
to discuss tonight is uh um street and our report which was given to all council and has been gone over with the chief. And our recommendation uh to help uh calm the traffic and improve safety on Leroy Street will be
to implement speed bumps which be the only in first place and apply ever puts. >> So you're recommending we do that? >> Uh at this point we have done everything we can and think we're kind of at wit's end to try and improve the safety on the street. We still continue to have
speeding and we continue to have safety uh complaints and concerns and we observed them when we've gone out there ourselves. So this is the last ditch even at this point. >> We have to improve safety. >> Yes. >> Um so I I know the chief is here. Thank
you Chief Chamberlain for being here. So we've done the signs, we've done, you know, police sitting there. We've done speeding tickets. You know, tell me anything else than speed bumps. I just find them so intrusive to listen to for those homeowners who are going to be on
Leroy listening to it. Nine out of 10 of the speed hump analysis we do yield a negative. >> Say that again. >> Nine out of 10 analysis that our firm does to evaluate speed humps yields a
negative result. It's only one in 10 and we've done thousands. >> Okay. And a matter of fact, it's probably less than one in 10. It is rare because we don't feel they're the best solution. We feel better solutions are corner bumpouts and planter pots and
just about anything with speed bumps because my father was a policeman. All right? And I have an awful lot of respect for our safety personnel. The police, the fire department, and the ambulance corps absolutely positively do
not like speed bumps. They're an impediment to their progression. But there comes a point where you have to take the best. You have to say, okay, what is the solution? We have continued speeding on the street. We can't post a policeman there 247. That's ridiculous, right? That's a total waste of of
township resources. We've done everything we can. We've added striping. We've added increased patrols. I we've been out done numerous visits. At least two of the occasions we went there, the police were already out there doing doing watching. All right. How How can you get better than that? You have a great police department. And by the way,
your public works is phenomenal. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> The best. Um I'm sorry, but it it is it is with heavy heart that I make this recommendation. to be hard to hear it. >> I like speed bumps, so I like uh I'm good with it. >> Okay. >> Yeah, of course.
>> Sadly, we'll have to agree to disagree because they're just not my favorite thing to have. >> No, I understand. I get it. I get it. Go ahead, Chief. >> You know, May, I've been fighting them for years uh for all the reasons that I've said before in the past and from the chiefs from other towns that have basically described the problems they've
had. So, here I stand before you, my 33rd year as a police officer here. I did many many years of uh radar enforcement on that road and that was a very popular road actually something to do that enforcement because there was uh always a lot of speeding on that streets a very popular secondary cutthrough road
uh over the years we have done uh you know uh speeding uh radar enforcement. We've uh improved the signage. Uh we've done uh details where we would stop people and just give warnings and we would get some temporary adherence to the to the speeding problem something
but always would creep back up again. So obviously the the problem became more front and center uh with people complaining on the street. I think they did a petition >> and uh we went as far as we came through something and said let's let's uh uh let's put some some uh road uh the
traffic timing devices. So we put the fog lines, we put this the WL speed uh the WL lines. Um we put the stencil on the road that says uh 25 miles per hour. We also put school zone and in in addition we have a uh a traffic collection data box which we put out
something no one no one knows what it is. It's a non-escript black box. You hang it on a utility pole and it looks through the box. I don't know how it does it technology but it counts cars and it counts speed >> and it gives you these different um charts and things of such. So we did it we've done it a couple times. We did it
in 2024. uh go to 2026 post all the trafficcoming um uh implementations and we see an increase in average speed we see increase in 85th percentile 85th percentile is basically what is 85% of the population doing and I guess
combined uh uh in conjunction with my years of of of knowing that roads has a speeding problem uh with the implementation of other traffic common devices and the newest data I I I I shocked myself that I even I'm I'm standing before you recommending
speed humps. Uh they are annoying but they do work. Um one of the criteria for them is is uh in and around a school zone and I want to I want to have them and again when we get to this point with your approval again we're making recommendations your approval. It it would be right by Smith School. would
bracket that that that crosswalk which is really the main main issue and uh hopefully you know something I am worried about you obviously request in other parts of town but this one obviously meets the warrants that we uh that were uh measured we believe uh that
it'll be useful here and again also too they even though it has a permanent stance to it they can be removed angle had them and then removed them they can they don't have to be forever u I know the road department against them or the fire department. I had talked to Richie Philpot. He wasn't very happy. I said something. I said, "They're not there
yet. The talent has to prove it, but I said, I just want to let you know something that it looks as though that they may be coming." And I left it at that. >> You're recommending two. I >> I am I'm looking at two. Um sometimes you could do one, but I believe it's something if we're going to properly do
it by the school. I think it should be it should bracket that school zone. It should be obviously north and south of it. Not so much further further south as you get closer to Elqu that was excuse slowing down and because you're getting to a tighter curve council. >> No, I just wanted to ask you did mention
about Chief Silpot. So if the council goes with the recommendation of speed bumps, where does that leave our situation with the fire trucks and you know >> so so one of the so the recommendations is something that and and John could can
report that or something but you know obviously is is school zones obviously is is one of the places that that they can be useful something but I believe that they're not warranted on like on on roadway roadways that see a lot of emergency traffic emergency vehicle traffic so like your angle street going to Angwood hospital, some of your
thorough affairs and where where the emergency services vehicles are going to be traveling to get to other parts of town. When I mentioned Loy, he was like, "Well, that's not really a road that we travel that much on." And also too, a lot of the streets there, you come up secondary road to get to that. Uh, and I don't know if they would be traversing
it all that much. But, um, it's not like we we would never recommend it on Angle Street, East Clinton Avenue. Again, those are county roads, but on some on some of these other heavily traveled roads where they would be going uh traveling more >> point that we already discussed though
is it just came up kind of in passing. I'd like to just make sure we bring it out and that is we did discuss and I believe we already have made agreement that we're going to put something on the books as far as town's policy so that we put these here and it doesn't become an onslaught to the town. I want speed
bumps everywhere. So if we're going to do speed, if we're gonna, you know, if they're gonna entertain anymore, it has to be by the rules. There are guidelines and rules set up for this. Yeah, >> we've provided those to you guys. We need to make them part of our rules. This way, if everybody that lives in
town on every street decides they have a speeding problem, we're not putting in speed bumps everywhere. We're following the rules. We'll do the study and give the answer whatever it may be. >> It's perfect. Thank you. >> Any other questions to the council? Yeah, >> TVAC. If someone's in an ambulance going
over these speed bumps, >> it's fine. There's they're going to be speed tables. All right. They're not going to be the little things that that take your teeth out. Okay. Um, you know, there is a a design that that we're going to implement that is accepted by the NJ DOT and other communities. Um, around here, I've seen all different
kinds in the other communities. We will be implementing. The chief will decide the two best locations. All right. And we'll implement speed tables. They're not as abrupt, but they definitely do the job. Slow you down. They're not a a big bump. It's a you come up. All right.
And then it's got about 10 feet and comes back down. >> It's more gradual incline plateau with a decline. I think some of the problems that I'm not going to I don't want to embarrass any other towns, but I some of the problems I've seen with them is is they're not properly marked. Okay. >> And all of a sudden, you're like, "Wow,
I'm on." So, not only do you have signs, but also the speed hump itself is painted, but also too supposed to have the uh the triangular yield signs. I'm also too sub. So, you really got to accentuate them. I think they'll be uh they'll work better that way. >> Okay. >> Okay. Thank you, Chief.
>> Thank you. >> Thank you, Chief. >> Traffic uh matters. Um well, with this finish up in the speed bump though, I think that the council were to approve them. Then the next part is we we I meet with the chief. We decide where they're going to go. We'll prepare a foot plan
and we'll show all the signage and striping that's necessary. That is a pretty good amount of signing and striping that goes. You have advance signs. You have signs at the speed table and you have a strateg let you know that you're coming up on it >> and and you'll come back to us with
estimated costs and all that fun stuff. >> Yeah. That council approves the implementation of the pump and those details we looked at with David and he bring it back for >> Okay. >> Not in you guys have to add the title approval is giving the money to do it. Understood.
>> This is just the approval to say that we'll have the speed bumps and we'll be able to to have that part and then >> So, everyone's good with this. >> Yes. >> You got it. There's your approval. >> We just did We do We don't do a vote. We do a consensus.
>> We have a consensus. >> We had We have a consensus from the council to move forward. >> Yeah. >> You got to Yes. It's done. Go ahead. >> Um, very good news in that, um, you guys
did great working with CSX and making progress. Um, we made our application to NJ DOT for the diagnostic team meeting for both the Hind crossing and for the overall decommissioning of the railroad. All right. Initial feedback from DOT, they're 100% on board. They love the
idea. Sadly, you're going to be the the poster child for how this railroad is going to go because PenFly is the first up to bat to try and work a deal out with CSX and create a um what one hopes to be a linear park someday through town. Um if we can get past these two,
we can get past the Mahan crossing and we can get past the the bigger idea of the town taking you know a place on the whole whole line, most likely whatever agreements that you guys come up with at CSX will be used by the towns nearby. Other required state but nothing's gone anywhere wants to do it too.
>> Can we talk about the pricing on the Mahan? Thank you. Take your question >> because uh it is it is a >> rather high price just get over those railroad tracks. >> You know we do a lot of road paving for 500. We usually get at least a couple
roads in there. So talk to us through this. >> Okay. I'm happy to walk you through. Okay. >> The most important thing you have to understand about the roading is we need to do a few things there. All right. First of all, we need to build a roaded. There's going to have to be some excavation and removal of impact materials. >> Yes.
>> Okay. And that is and that is the one thing I want you guys all just be be aware of is that no matter what that entire rail line from border to border and tennifly is you should consider contaminated site. >> All right. It's it's not something where you can go and you'd have to go there and eat the dirt for your whole lifetime
to die of it. But it's not good. Okay. In order for us to build a safe road. All right. and we're going to have to dig things up and you're not allowed to just take it and move it aside. We're whatever we take up, we're going to have to put in a truck or take it to a regulated site. And that that's that's what is really unfairly hitting us with
a a very high cost. If >> and CSX won't absorb any of that and CSX won't absorb any of that. >> That's right. >> Well, you got to put yourself in their shoes, right? >> Yeah. What they're saying is, hey, I'm going to give you the use of my property
forever, you know, or whatever, you know, agreement that we've come up with. All right? They they don't have to. All right? They they technically have ownership of that property forever. Now, they do have to work with us, and that's where the state comes in, guys. Remember, the state's our partner in this. They want us, right? Just so you
know, NJ dot really wants us to be successful. Okay? I spoke with with with the folks over there, and they're actually a little excited about what what you guys are up here doing. All right? Now, uh, we will have that meeting soon. Mayor, you will be invited to that meeting as will David chief, um, Bergen County Executive, the county
engineer. It's a giant meeting like 20, 30 people are going to be invited. Okay. And the reason for that is is it's >> Yeah, it's very involved. Okay. And the reason for that is a lot of regulations. Obviously, you know, about railroads.
Um, I I got I digress. Answer your question. The re main reason for the cost is first of all we got to establish a road that doesn't exist there. Second is we got to take out a couple of rails. It's going to cost some money and we got to remove regulated materials. Okay. Then we're going to have to build now we got to build new road. Now the other
part of that is I also want to point out to the council that we need to fix the road not just over the railroad track. We need to extend it out and fix both sides of it. We need to do signing and striping for the entire length of Mahan on both sides. All right. So that's all included in there. And I'd like to point out that one of my recommendations based
on my field observations. Now, we haven't done a thorough detailed traffic study for this. I don't think it's necessary to waste money on that. All right. What I'm recommending is that we post on Mahan. I guess that would be which side is the high school side? West
Mahan or Mahan? >> All right. West. Okay. Regular. And I had it right. So on the Mahan side, I'd like to recommend that so one hour in the morning, we have no parking on the side heading towards the high school and 1 hour at night, no parking on the side heading away from the high school. And
this way because it's a little narrow, okay, that it's not unpassable and it's not unsafe, but it would be a significant improvement. I've gone out there in the morning, I've gone out there at night, and generally speaking, I've yet to see any more than one car parked on the street on either side
during those time periods. So that is the only like big ask or big change I'm asking is that just for one hour in the morning and you know or >> one hour >> what hour? >> We have to figure that out with the chief. Okay. I we haven't decided yet. Most likely it's going to be the school
gets in at 8:15. Right. Right. >> 750. >> Yeah. All right. It's going to be a half hour before get in and half hour after just just for that one side. And the reason for that is just to give cars room to pass each other to make that a two-way street more flexible.
>> So, uh, just so I understand the full plan, when West Mahan cuts through over the tracks and connects with Mayan, um, is there going to be a light for Piermont Road? >> So, I would just I'm a little concerned
that Piermont Road's, you know, got a fair amount of people. >> So, like people just cutting straight across. Is that going to be four stops? >> Stop controlled. >> Four-way stops. >> No, most likely just going to be two way. Mahan will be stopped. Puremont will remain as the through street.
>> It's Well, I would just Are you going to study? It just might be quite a lot of uh people going up here. >> That is you have on your agenda tonight two proposals from Bright View. Okay. One is for doing the design and
engineering and whatnot to build the crossing and the other is do that exactly that study afterward because when I spoke with the chief about it uh we had discussed that you know we don't really know what's going to happen until we build it for sure. Yeah. >> So what we're going to do is we're going to build it. We're going to put in what
we think is the appropriate stop and safety controls and then we're going to let it kind of get into operation and we're because remember it is younger less experienced drivers in that area. That's what we anticipate. So, we're going to, you know, go the extra level and we're going to already have it baked into this project that not only are we
going to build it and fix it to make it better, but we're going to come back and look at it to make sure we we get every everything on board be it. >> Okay. >> We have a timing on this. Don't I don't want to get our residents too excited, but any idea this would actually happen? >> Quite honestly, figure out if we could
afford it. >> Yeah, I have a I have a question about timing to to the point of affording it, right? Um, is it realistic if we if we decided we can afford to do it this year, right? Is it actually physically possible to get this accomplished this
year or is this really construction is something for next year >> based on what you're telling me about what? >> So, yes, if you guys can issue agreement with CXX and yes, if we can get NJ DOT to sign off, which I certainly expect they will. And just remember the NJ DOT
process is going to put this all into the form of a legal order. So when >> of a what? >> Legal order. >> Yeah. NJ dot's process is there. We're going to have a diagnostic day meeting and then the commissioner of transportation will generate what they call an order. Okay. So just like a court order. All right. And it's going
to outline everybody's obligations and duties and your agreement will be part will be a part of that. So they're going to bring this to a close for us. If we do all this work up front and then when it's all said and done, DOT takes all the credit. >> Okay. Are we, let's assume DOT takes all
the credit. It's all wonderful. Are we obligated to build it this year? If we decide to build it next year, that's okay. You're >> you're never obligated to build it. Uh you can always resend your request. >> All right. So, if for some reason you change your mind next year, you could rescend your request.
>> What if we what if we just decide we want to build it next spring instead of this spring? That's not an issue. at all. Yeah, we we we will have more than ample time. >> Okay. Okay. >> But we should money >> before we like just like would they ever let it say, "Hey, we want to do this,
but not have funded our money or is that like a you mustide the money?" >> Well, it depends. I mean, these are subsequent conversations, right? We have to We're in the middle of our capital budget. We have to all these considerations. So, we have to think about do we do it this year or next
year. I mean, so the If we really decide to not >> do we have to have money in the bank to show we can do it before we get our approvals. No. Okay. >> Question. Right. So it might be >> there's your answer. >> You can get all the approvals. >> [ __ ] Yeah.
>> Spoken. Obviously this is for the schools. Have you spoken to the superintendent with us on this? The schools are unable to get involved in any public road construction at any level. >> Were they unable to get involved in the tennis courts that we rebuilt for them or the little league fields we rebuilt
for them? >> We went down the list of things and they reminded me about the basketball courts indoor that they don't charge us for and >> from 9 to 11 p.m. for the second graders. >> The what? >> We pay for the maintenance fees of the guys. The >> they do charge us. Keep going. there the
we don't have to make any contribution to Ginger Field reconstruction uh or the track and we're still going to be able to use the field at the same level we're using now that we previously wrote a check for >> which is again from 10 to 11 p.m. because we can use
>> right whatever the hours are. That's a question for recreation, right? Whatever the hours are. Um and they will make available the use of the bathrooms at the fieldhouse for us to use. Um we had a conversation about the Little League field bathroom renovation, >> Little League field that they're
supposed to take care of, >> right, which gave up on >> which they don't want to do, but they'll let us use the fieldhouse and have access to that. not the fieldhouse itself, the bathrooms in the fieldhouse um for use >> which need upgrading. So I mean
obviously this is this is a lot >> to support the schools again. >> Um obviously we don't have unlimited funds as a reminder account for >> 80% of the tax dollars 70% >> plus the 20 it's actually 80% more 70%
10% goes to you know to from the county and everything. We we get about 20%. But let's let's take 70%. So they take 70% of the tax dollars and we're supposed to find the money in our budget. So obviously we we try not to raise uh
taxes for our residents half a million dollars, right? So that's a question of do we have to take money away from our public safety, our police officers, take money away from our TVAC, our our ambulances that look out for us? Do we have to take money away from the
fire department that protects everybody? just a it's a lot of money for for school. >> So, is there we don't know if we're gonna appropriate this money, but is there a downside
since we don't need the money before he pursues the feasibility and the permissions of doing it? >> Well, I think there's two two different two different things here going on. One is to get the okay to actually do it, right? which is frank which is separate
from the economics of it all. >> Well, to to do this and this is in the the consent agenda for tonight. It's not free. We have to pay $100,000 to get going on some of these designs. >> That's correct. That's correct. So, >> talking about the construction cost when I said that,
>> right? So, we still have to put $100,000 in. Again, this is something that's great. I think this is a a significant safety concern for the school. Yeah. >> That god forbid something should happen on Gro Street. There's only one ingress and egress, which is why this is such an amazing thing.
>> I just find it personally challenging, maybe I am one of six, that >> we redo the tennis courts. >> 100% of every JV game for for match for men and women, boys and girls, 100%
which is a relatively high percentage, uh is done on our municipal courts. And again, I I'm glad you're relaying the superintendent's information them for 100% of every match that they
play. We do not. >> We just redid it completely on the 20% of the municipal budget. >> But I assume they helped out a little bit, right? >> On which issue? >> Anything on the tennis courts? >> No, we paid for the tennis courts.
>> All of it. >> All of it. >> Okay. So I that's again I'm just trying to understand what I just want I just just want to remember myself. >> I mean it's a lot of money really important. I bet the chief would agree for our students to have ingress and
egress on this road. I think it's going to be amazing for everybody. I would think the school would want to help their students. >> I think we should bring it up at joint use. >> I do. I think >> we'll bring it up. We will continue to discuss it. >> It's up at joint use >> towards the tennis court. We have to decide again
>> to to Councilman Dr.'s point, >> you know, before we outlay $600,000 and they tell us they don't want to help with, you know, student safety, then we have to uh, you know, that's how we have to make that decision.
>> I I point of view. >> Fair enough. Yes, Lauren. >> And I I happen to love this project. I'm on this side of town and even if I'm not going to school and I'm in the school traffic, it takes me 40 something minutes to get from my house to this
town to this school area through Piermont's people going to work. Um, I can't thank you enough for pushing this. So, if there's anything we can do to facilitate CSX or uh New Jersey DOT, please let us know. I have to with Councilman Michaels in
that this is a significant safety improvement for the high school. not not just for the circulation with students what not god forbid you know if there's ever a closure in the wrong place can get through fire can get through this is a a really I mean not that they can't
drive over fences and drive over you know railroad tracks because I'm sure if they had to they would having this in place the significant safety and then comes what we're what you have here in the first place for right getting the connectivity and getting the traffic to flow better which we're making tremendous strides for
>> yeah for the light >> well we're that's the topic up for discussion. >> So, so before we get there, just as a today update with CSX, we believe that the negotiations are actually completed now in terms of the contract. We've come to terms on all the different aspects of
the contract. Okay, >> sure expense too. The other thing I want to point out is that DOT's got a giant pocket book. All right. And of course, they won't ever pay for any with Mahind crossing, but the other crossings we have in town, they've also mentioned to me that, you know, if we push through
with this, if we need help with some of those, they'll be happy to help us out. >> Helping us with other crossings, >> existing any of the existing crossings. >> Okay, that's good to know. That's very good to know. >> They won't help us build new ones that we want, right? They will help us with the existing
>> city. Okay. All right. you'll be able to speak with just so you know the DOT representatives that are coming you'll actually be able to speak with them face to face >> good >> that's very very helpful and just so you know the big picture for you to be able to talk to them they like that a lot >> okay
>> to that I'll make that for sure >> all right thank you next topic is the traffic light keep how many people go through the red light. >> That's funny. >> We are getting praise, which really should go to you folks.
>> Yes. >> Um and uh it seems to be working pretty well. However, we really haven't seen the true test yet with kids being back from break and being off of this snowstorm and we have true rush hour and school traffic. Um we're all creatures
of habit. a lot of police officers, you know, something who are out there actually enforcing the laws and being very uh uh viligent with our driving find ourselves stopping on a green light, Green Light Avenue, which we'd rather stop than than go through, right? So, we're conditioning ourselves, but we
have seen people traveling north on Dean drive through the red light. >> Yeah. >> Because they're so conditioned to it being a flashing amber for I think it was for 70 years. How how long do you think it was was flashing? >> I believe over 70 years. If you go back to the Google Earth, you can kind of trace it back.
>> We put we put the message board out >> in advance of that, which we had to take away because of the colossal storm, which I want to get back up, but it had two messages that said new traffic light, stop for red light, and only proceed with green. So, once the road department, actually, I want to talk tonight. They're out tonight doing a great job. But, we're going to do some
more downtown. I mean, I'll have them clear the sidewalk and I'll get that that trailer out there. I think that's an added safety benefit. Uh, it's conditioning, condition, conditioning. We're getting used to, we're getting a lot of praise. We haven't had any accidents yet. Um and hopefully something as we move forward people will acclimate. You think you said in your
message also which I think you use the word acclimate. >> Yes. Acclimate. >> And uh but it looks nice. There is one thing that we do want to change. Um a little confusing that there's a there's a a sign that says New Street with an arrow. >> I didn't say that one. >> And it looks like go that way New Street, but New Street is one way coming
out. >> Yep. So either we need to take the arrow off a new street or we take the new street sign down alto together because you don't really need it >> with ways and Google maps and and have dean which is the primary. Other than that I I'm I'm pretty impressed. >> The contractor exercised a little uh
artistic uh subjectiveness on his part and we had just new street but he because on D we had the arrow he felt that the arrow would be appropriate on new not realizing it's a one way out only. So, but after the cheat, I don't really see it being at all helpful to be putting the sign on the arm there. So,
we're going to I think we're just going to take it off. >> Okay, perfect. >> I think it's better just to be without it. >> Exactly. >> I thought it was kind of funny because it was like yet another flashoint. Hey, this is new. >> But that's actually that also confused people. They were like, is that new? Um,
but that was the exact feedback that I've received from people in the public and the downtown committee that they it was so anyway, you're you're addressing it >> from my point of view. A couple thanks to people. First of all, council, you guys did a great job of this. You should all You should all look at yourselves and be very grateful. You You've
definitely saved lives. You've made the downtown Temply better. You've made it safer. And not just at that intersection, but now that links into all the others. Now, we're starting to put together the big master plan to how to get traffic to move more safely. The next thing is big thanks to the police
department. They were instrumental in every step of building that light. They've been there for us every step of the way. Giant thanks to you guys. We couldn't have done it without you. >> Can I just add about the thank yous though because I want people to really understand where the finances came from. It came from the American Rescue Funds
from COVID relief from President Joe Biden. So, I just want to let everybody know our not our individual tax dollars locally, but I do think it's important. We had a shovel ready project and we had that money from the American Rescue Plan.
>> Thank you. >> Excellent. I have one more question about the wayfinding because then there have you had any um any feedback about the signs that are on Dean Street that the right and the left arrows because someone had brought it to my attention. I didn't quite understand what the issue
would >> we put through the different way finding. So the way finding signs you're referring to they're referring to are are are what the the ones that you have turn arrows and and >> Okay. So first first we were first we were talking about New Street which we covered but I'm talking about the ones
that are on Dean >> when you're you're towards the Catholic Church right >> yeah and then there's arrows that are this way and one this way. >> Okay. >> So I think that I was told that some people experienced some confusion with those arrows and the way that the road
is there. Um >> well it's really a T intersection because you can't go across the new street, >> right? >> So it's probably just telling you it's either left or right. take a look. I'll I'll look with David and and we'll see those. You're talking about the black wave finding sign. >> No, not the wave. I'm sorry. I'm using the I'm the roadway signs. The roadway
The roadway arrow signs. >> Not the downtown way finding. I know we call it that. I'm sorry. >> Required signs. Those are those are federally required, >> right? Signs that. >> So, I was just wondering if people are abiding or what. I mean, I guess it where where else would they go? They
can't go straight. So, like I don't know. >> Take a double left now. only single left that might that might >> there's the double left and then there's like a no trucks or something like that >> right so I don't know I worth since people brought it to me I thought I would
>> look at it yeah >> yeah that's all >> thank you >> no problem >> I wish we ended on that >> we can't be done >> oh no it keeps getting better >> better project >> and potato um
Omar should council my prayer and vote is that there is a chance that we can get this done in a timely manner and in order to do that I need your assistance. um >> timely manner being that for the summer
and everything like that all the events for the summer. >> So um this is um three different park uh at the end of where road will end. part of this is where parking lot
is currently and the abandoned chargers of this site. I believe that we all had an opportunity to have a little bit of briefing on it and uh what I present to you this evening is one for your consideration
and hopefully for you guys to pick which structure um you'd like to have this evening because if you can pick it this evening and I can leave here then tomorrow um as all three of these are on state contract tomorrow David and I should go call the
manufacturer and that from that point forward things get radically interesting. So, um, have quite a bit of work to do in order to make this happen. But our goal with and again, it's a very tight time frame and
God knows what can happen or what challenges we're going to face. But if we can not have any more snow and uh, we can get a little bit of snow cleared uh, from the area is going to go right here. Next week, I can have GPR and surveyors
out there and get at least that part of it done. Make sure there's no underground utility conflicts, then we could get to work at structural and engineering design plans so that this structure could potentially be built by July 1st. Okay, it's a long shot. I
cannot guarantee it, but I think that we can get it done and we're going to try our very darnest to make that happen. Certainly have questions. Um, so I I really like the idea of having a bandstand in Hiler and I want to call it
a band because I think the amphitheater concept to me is a more experiential concept and I'm not sure that we're able to achieve it in this small park. To me, an amphitheater has, you know, like steep steps or you go to it and you hear a concert and you're not surrounded by
like buses and traffic. It's just more garden landscaped area. But the band stand. So is there option or is there any interest from the council to change the Hiler Park bandstand and put this sort of amphitheater concept where the
band stand is and make it one and the same. So, knock out that old band stand in the center and put it there. Which then I think >> Are you talking about the >> little stone? >> The stone thing, the square thing. >> I don't know that I would touch that
because it's historical. >> I don't think it is historical. I tried to look it up. >> You don't think it's part of that whole monument of >> So, I tried to look it up and I I don't think it's designated, but again, it was only my search. So if the HBC comes back and says it is then but or just to put a
covering on that that expanding on it. >> My only concern with that idea which if that's not historic then maybe we talk about something else there is that then it's in the center and it this way is at the end. So if you have a lot of a large
audience like when we did like the adon think about that you know you had the stage the the the screen and then everybody could back up. You could have a huge amount of people there watching something. You do it in the center, it's going to block. You're not going to be able to back it up all the way
throughout the whole park. So, if we if that could be we could use that space, then we could talk about thousands of great ideas for that space. >> I mean, because if you look where the band stands is, there's actually more green space around the band stand than there would be on the corner. And John,
this is my question for you. Um, I'm worried about line of sight and traffic. So, if you're coming down county or if you're coming up east, uh, is that East Clinton? What's the one coming this way? Um, does that band
stand in the middle of traffic, does that block your view at all of oncoming traffic? >> I'm the traffic engine. >> Well, I know. So, that's what I'm asking. >> No, I am never going to build anything that's going to interfere with traffic. I can assure you there will be absolutely no line of sight issues with
placing the structure struggly the same location and I can assure you you will have no issues with sight lines. I would never allow that to happen under my watch. >> I assume so. But I'm going to ask that question. >> Fair question and I understand.
>> You know if I'm at the light of county I want to make sure or backed up a couple cars. I want to make sure I see what's coming my way. Um just >> clear >> that's fine. I know trucks come through that way. >> 100% assurance we're there. >> Um my other concern is the noise level. So in the past when we've used Hila for
things, you know, we do have buses and trucks that interrupt whatever activity was going on there. Is there any way to account for sound or noise in this project with landscaping or some sort of sound buffer? Well, I I do believe that that this is
phase one of the project and phase two would be some significant landscaping, but in in all reality, there's not much we can do anywhere with regard to to the vehicle noise. Um, what I would say though is it certainly up consideration and have special events to possibly
close County Road and and create a safer, you know, because you do have, you know, because there are alternate noise. Do I think noise is going to be a problem? You know, I would anticipate they're going to use this on the weekends. the traffic lines are significantly lower and there's
significantly less bus in truck especially less truck traffic on the weekends you know the truck traffic we have here in town is primarily in the we hours of the morning um and you know during the the you know regular business hours of the day so I don't think there's much we can do about that uh
this happens to be I mean quite honestly you have a beautiful park it's a great location sometimes you have to balance location location with you know what's around it if you don't put it in a bustling place well then you might not get as much interest to it. All right. So, it's you got to find that balance. >> And then how many parking spots are we
taking? >> Um Oh, that's a good question. Um >> it's just what it's already blocked up. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. So, so it's about eight spaces.
>> Okay. >> Anyone else? >> But that was just, you know, that was in the plan all along. This this is not as far as the only thing that wasn't in the plan when it came to the traffic was the actual band here >> as far as taking that parking way making
improvements here that's been in the plan. >> Is this going to have sound and wire for sound or is that part that this >> sound and lighting? >> Yeah, sound should have sound. >> So like we said three three elements to this first phase. One you know the ele
the elevator for elevation, right? Okay. And then two, the physical structure on top of that elevation. >> And then three, lights and >> so I've got two I've got two questions. Um, John,
can the band can the band stand the whatever we're calling it be moved further south from that center position so there's more lawn space? In other words, you move it a little bit south backwards. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. We have a beautiful tree. >> Okay. >> So, we located as far back. It certainly can go further back, but understand there's a very high likelihood that we'll end up We may not. We'll be able to save the tree today, but if we go much further back, it probably won't last tomorrow.
>> That would be a choice for you to make. That's fine. >> I'm not interested in taking those trees up. >> No, that's fine. I'm asking the commission. The thing is though, if if we if we do want to move it back, we do need to do Listen, when all said and done, phase two need to be some significant landscape. Okay? And that would be
something where we need to some concept plans. You guys need to look at that and there's going to have to be some a little bit of time spent on that. That's something I that we could never possibly do between now and July. >> And it doesn't make any sense to put it on the I'm going to say southmost, but where it dips down like this. So, if we
could remove that existing Hiler band stand, does it make any sense to put it on the bottom where it faces outward towards the town >> and then there's more green space that way? >> You know, at the end of the day, this is the ideal location and the ideal face,
>> I think. So, as far as >> I just think like down there, >> but I think people will be standing in the parking lot to hear our concerts and our things rather than on the grass. >> Well, we've provided as much grass as we can. the only other option is the mayor says and let's let's forego the treat.
You know, we're thinking about this as many phases, right? So, what we want to see is we're going to do this, right? We can do this relatively quickly and relatively inexpensively, >> get a crazy number of people that are super excited about it such that we get
to yell at David that we have to make it bigger, right? And then the next phase, you know, we could continue adding space. Yeah. And that that's gonna be filled and then we're gonna yell at David. No, we want it bigger such that you know the entire town >> for the Knicks game. We did the Knicks game at night and everyone was on that
parking the parking lot on chairs and no one I mean it was amazing. I mean the kids were bouncing balls and you know I think that there's no problem at this point. >> Has anybody here experienced a parking? All right. So I've been here in the evening a few times. Uh I came to you
know to see how it goes. I've never experienced a parking shortage. Saturday night got a little bit busy over by the train station building. Have Have you guys experienced any parking issues that I should be aware of? >> Unfortunately, >> but you've been trying for a hundred years happy to open past, you know, 3 or
4 in the afternoon and that that would help as well, but unfortunately >> he's willing. Should I open that? >> John, we we have a walking problem here, not a parking problem. Can I just >> That would be my Yeah, I think that that's one and that's one of the things you guys directed me to do was focus more
>> on pedestrian safety. >> Um I think Jenny had mentioned this in another meeting. Is there is it possible I think you said that some of the concerts might be in part moving to Davis Johnson Park like we used to do, right? just just the classical because
of the way that the the sound is the sound there >> mostly we want it downtown the and I just want to make a comment about like all of the events that we've been having for the last few years downtown the flow with the with to what you were saying but even on a larger scale with the fall
fest the way that it was built out all the way to um J Street and River Edge this makes the most sense to grow these like >> and the way you put it there the tree Okay. In this case, we might want to show you a concept that did that. All
right. This concept preserve this concept will preserve that tree. All right. These two other concepts located the band are a little bit further back and my >> Okay. But you can move I don't want to confuse people. You can move the band
stands forward but you don't. So we can always ensure that the trees are right. >> We can always ensure >> I just because I didn't think I honestly thought that this was the location where this was nice and balanced.
>> So let me curfew. So >> the question what's Okay. So let's be while we do that. What's the question you need to answer John? >> One, two or three. >> Yeah. Is that it? Is that where we are? Okay, Julie. One, two, or three?
>> I like two. >> So, we got >> I'm gonna go all >> I'm okay with two or three. >> I I like them all. So, like I I really feel like go let's see where everybody else and I'll go with the consensus. >> Should go with two. I like two.
>> Well, in three, two, >> hold on. Which one am I looking at? >> Like I just >> Well, I like two and three. So, if you guys are both leaning on two, then I lean on two. >> Two. I'm a two. >> All right. Two. >> Okay. >> All right. So, two it is.
>> And why why do you like the >> Why do you like two? >> I think two looks like a guitar pick. I think it looks like a leaf. >> I like a leaf better, more natural. >> Okay, sure.
>> There's one last decision you need to make. >> Go ahead. Ask the question. >> Option two was the one that we needed your help to pick the size. The other two options, the size is the size. >> The 40 by 30, right? >> Keep the whatever keeps the tree is my
size. the wingspan on it. >> Oh, so the one that shown on the stand is 46 by 63 small. >> So, we're going to want to do I think in this we're going to want to do like a big TV there for sporting events. We're going to want to do
>> Okay. So, >> concerts. We're going to want to do plays. Like I >> So 50 53 John the 53 is running from left to right. >> 63. >> Yes. Does that work in that space if that's
So let's go with that. >> By the way, it looks great. >> Okay, >> that's bigger than the tractor trailer we use now for the band stand by 10 ft or something. The 63 is too big. So, we need to be a little bit smaller. We can keep these proportions. So, it'll just we will
adjust the proportion what the manufacturer has available. >> That's fine. Space. Okay. A little bit small. I have a question on this lighting. Can you uplight it? >> We're gonna do lighting. >> Is there lighting with it? >> Frankly, I haven't gotten there at this point. Um I'm I'm certain that we can
figure out something with lighting, but I would say that most likely that would be the second phase of this. >> Okay. With the landscape. >> The first phase is to get is to get the elevated structure to get the structure and get sound and the TV. >> You have what you need, Dr. Jar? >> I do, sir.
>> Okay. Have a good night. Thank you. your help. >> Okay. With the with the council's indulgence, since we have audience members here, u I'd like to do um public comment now and again at normal public comment time in case anyone wants to say
anything. All right. Is it okay? We're going to do some uh an initial public comment time. There'll be another one also. Audience members wishing to speak will have a threeminut time limit to address the governing body on items on or off the agenda. Large groups are
requested to have a spokesperson represent them. Would anyone here like to speak? Mr. Till, come on up to the microphone and give us your name, but not your address. >> No address. >> Oh, yeah. I won't give you my address. Can any Is this on? >> Try that one. >> Hang on.
>> I can hear you. >> Okay. Andrew Till 124 Oxford Drive. >> Nobody listens. >> Oh, no address. Oh, I'm really not supposed to give an address. >> Yes. Why would I lie about that? Oh, I thought Oh, >> there's so many more. There's so many more interesting things
Diner. Okay. Um, anyway, uh, I just came here just very quickly, but you kind of stole my thunder, but the DPW, I mean, no offense to anyone lives in Creskill. >> The chief's behind you there. >> No offense if you live in Crestill or
Anglewood, but like the streets that >> kudos to the BPW. >> Yes. Okay. Two storms enormous. Like streets are black. It's unbelievable. Okay. So, I hope you're public. I hope you guys are public. >> Yes, we are.
>> Okay. I hope you're getting good feedback. Um, and I am an individual, by the way, who yesterday sat at the new traffic light on East Clinton while it was green and I just sat there, right?
In my mind it was red and I was waiting for people on Dean to turn and then I looked up and I was like, "Oh, I mean it's it's my turn." So I think it's just going to take time. >> And that double left, Jenny, that you're talking about.
>> Thank you. >> It's definitely People are confused, but they're just going to have to learn. It's gonna >> because I went because I was like, "Oh, I'm going to go on that outside turn." >> Yeah. Uh, and that car to the left of me, I think, thought like I was going to ram into them. >> Yeah. >> Right. But then kind of stopped, but
like it's just going to take >> Yeah. If you if you were coming to Tenniflight for the first time ever, you would have no problem with that traffic light. Everything would be understandable. >> Yeah. I just said to the chief, I do think if there >> because when I saw the sign that said
new street >> Yeah. I actually thought, you know, would be a good idea if there was like a highlighter, big highlighter, yellow sign that said new signal or something or and chief said they they put it away for the snow or the main message board. >> Yeah. >> That's splashing like in front of the funeral home.
>> Yeah. >> Saying like new trapped signal, pay attention or something >> cuz I literally was like >> sitting there. Yeah. >> I literally sat there. >> All right. Tell the Who is the new DPW? Who runs DPW? >> Pat Mason. Pat Mason. Keep it up.
>> Keep it up. I don't know what I don't know where your snow budget is, but uh >> we're good. We're good. >> We did. >> All right. Well, good good work. I just wanted to let you know. >> Thank you, Andrew. >> Thanks, Andrew. >> Are there any members of the any other
members of the public who want to speak at this time? There'll be another opportunity to speak after the next presentations. Omar, is there anyone online who's come up? Come on. How's it going? Nice to see you. >> Clearing the sewer drains. That's part
that's the next problem, right? Just a general comment. It seems to me this past year there's been some really great headway in terms of making changes and signals and making changes in it act. There's been action, not just talk
about action and plans and some of it is public sector action, some of it is private sector action. I am not in the loop to know who owns what and who does this or who does that. But I really just want to cheer you on because I go from
town to town and all over the north, there's been a sense, I mean, personally, the sense the past 10 years or so of like, God, you know, we used to be here and we're it's like we're no longer the standard bearer, the blue
chip of how things look or our um mix of retail or um we're not drawing people. It used to be, you know, I'm in Costa every day because that's what's making my needs.
>> I I need that Starbucks here. Not just me personally, but it's a quality of life. It's it's a it it puts you in a certain category, a town. >> When you have certain types, >> yes, >> retail merchants. And as a as a public
officials community, that's private sector. you can only make be welcoming and you can are, you know, make make it, you know, smooth the path. And, you know, Tenny's had a reputation of being a tough town on a lot of things. And and
there will always be people who don't like something because it's competition or don't like something because it's change. Boy, I've seen a tremendous amount of change in my days here, but especially the side of that is the east side of
town used to be way more vibrant than Washington Avenue in the west side and to see as I said I don't know if this restaurant's coming in or not coming in I don't know what's going you know what's coming or whatever but of just a general keep it up say yes say yes say
yes in general if it benefit if there's something that benefits the entire community if it's bring it if it not just benefiting builders who see opportunity It's a very important I'm voting on the committee like what's the
correct mix and what does 10 want to be five years from now and and you guys deal with a lot of crises and it's really hard to play the long game but I'm feel I'm feeling that that there's momentum building and as there will
always be people who swap but just if if you're working all together the train you know it's moving the greenway's moving I'm feeling like there is hope in my lifetime. We look back at the pinnacle of what Tenno used to be. And
good job guys. >> Thank you. >> Any other members of the public like to speak now? There'll be another opportunity later also. Okay. Anyone online? Omar who likes to speak? >> I see Howard siding with his uh hand raised. >> Pardon me.
>> Howard Howard siding. >> Howie, you want to say something? No. Okay, Howie, we'll get you next time. I'm going to close. >> Yes, I can hear you. >> Okay. I want to uh thank the DPW.
Tremendous job. Uh truly tremendous job. I was I had to work the storm and I came home about 5:30 last night and other than the turnpike you were the only ones
to have black top so uh tremendous tremendous job. Um I couldn't see in the amphitheater. Uh I couldn't my my screen is too small but uh so let me throw this out there
and you guys could tell me maybe you covered it. Um lot angled towards the northeast. Um because I never see all those parking spots full. Is is that a possibility?
So in other words, you would be like um as you get towards Clinton and then coming back, you know, face it would face out towards county >> towards the corner of county and
hillside, I guess. >> Uh and then the other thing I wanted to ask, I don't know if you can hear me. Uh >> go ahead. Um, and if the police chief is still there, um, one last thing I was thinking
in terms of to try to calm that traffic, what about one of the older police cars, uh, parking it up there and moving it around, you know, the street every so often, but kind of make it look like it's taking radar. Uh, even got to blow
up dolls to sit in the front seat. uh you know, hey, may you know, maybe you know, something out of the box like that just to, you know, save money and cuz I remember when Englewood got rid of the speed bumps, it was because of
damage to the fire trucks, the DPW trucks, and the ambulance. >> Yeah. >> I don't know if there's money in the budget for a blowup doll, but but I think the the rest of your comments are are well are well taken.
the in police chief is not here, but the engineer is still here. So, he heard what you're saying. Um, so we'll take we'll just we'll take a look at that to see if it has some merit. >> And what what one last thing, Mayor, I I don't want to give my address, but uh
the only storm drain block. >> Okay. >> What? The only storm drain on the block is in front of my house and right >> um because of all the storms and I know I'm where two blocks come together. So they it's not down curb to curb so it's
about like 10 ft out the snow. I'm just a little worried if it rains later this week that there'll be a flooding problem and it may ice over. Um, so I if if the the DPW can just take a look at maybe opening up the area by the storm drain
there. >> Okay. I ju I just told the burough administrator what street you're on. So, he'll uh he'll speak to the DPW about that and look at those storm drains. >> All right. I really appreciate that. >> You got it, Howie. Thank you for your comments.
>> And uh have a great night, guys. >> You too. All right. We're going to close public comment for the first public comment time and uh move on to the next topic which is Neglia uh the engineers who unfortunately had to cancel last minute but we're going to discuss the
burrow complex concepts and these are concepts which involve a lot of long-term planning which is really just starting now in terms of discussions. David you want to walk us through this? >> Sure. So, um, we've been working with
Neglia and their, uh, architect from AR Arovino. >> I was just wondering if he could maybe Omar could project like he did with the public. Yes, >> you have the >> David here
presentation. >> It's in the agenda. >> Yeah, >> under Neglia, right? the very first maybe just the very first uh picture because it shows the different floors. Yeah, >> this one right
building. Yeah. So, while Omar is searching for that, I could just give a a overview. So, um this is for uh constructing a mixeduse building on a post office parking lot.
Um and the concept is a fourstory. >> That's just the second part which I'm sure he'll share which has been used. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. The um the the one in the one in the packet was an old version. So, wanted to get the correct one to you. So, um,
basically in the in the mix mixed juice building on the first floor, uh, there would be a retail space, restaurant space of, uh, 6,51 square feet, uh, plus or minus. Um, that, uh, would generate revenue,
particularly if there was a concessioner's liquor license involved, uh, uh, with that restaurant. Um so the revenue from that uh could offset the debt service for a portion of the building. Um the other feature on the
first floor would be the senior center which would increase from I believe about 40 4600 square ft currently to 7,526 square ft. Um and then moving from there, the next
two floors uh would be the library at uh 14,433 feet for each square feet for each floor. And um the last floor would be administration
offices and council chambers, meaning everything that's currently at Burough Hall uh except for the municipal court would be on this uh on this floor. So it would be um and then recreation would be with the recreation center. So it would house the building department, the
clerk, a tax assessor, administrator, uh finance, um tax collection uh would all be housed uh in in this building and and a council chambers. Um, one of the things that you may want to
consider with that is if there's a potential for the restaurant and seniors to make a lot of noise, uh, you may want to, um, put the burl hall portion of the building on the second floor and the library on the top two floors. But that,
um, you know, that that is just uh, something to to think about as you go forward. >> So, the total square footage of the library would be approximately 28,000 square feet. I think it's about 29,000 >> 101 >> 29,000 square foot library. >> Yeah. So total
>> total the total square footage of this building would be 61,492. So super, you know, in a summary, the whole idea is how do we get our community a brand new senior center, brand new library, and then uh David
will will also share by bringing this to the post office lot allows for the opportunity for to build our first ever community center in what is now the uh the live primary conference space. So the whole idea is community center, new
library, and senior. >> So, I had a couple questions. Um, top line, it had to do with the parking, the amount of spaces that are in the what we call the post office parking lot. Now, what uh do do we know how many spaces
that is? And then how many spaces are we providing that would be on the same side of the street as this one? I know we of course have the one across Washington, but I know we were doing some work with
a lot nearby and uh I wanted to know if what that calculation was. >> So I I don't have the number of parking spots off the top of my head, but I believe when we had looked at this, the current um parking lot that we own plus
one that we may uh acquire um would provide about the same number of of space. Okay. >> The idea would be that's not really shown on this concept would be that you would have a an entrance directly from that parking area to the building. >> I remember you
>> and like a covered walkway so people would be protected from the elements >> across Washington. >> No parking sto okay. And then my other so I just wanted to make sure I was that's what I thought about the parking because that's it
going to be important and I know that um the other question had to be with >> the first floor of this having the senior space and the retail space. Um what was the of the square footage of what the seniors use now versus this?
>> So they have 4600 square feet currently and this would be 7500 square feet. And is there any opportunity with funding to be funding from senior um grants? Anything like that? >> That's not possible.
>> We we would search through grants one. So one of the things if you go back I sent you all a I sent you an email on um February 1st with these with these concepts >> and a list out of I think one of the next steps we look at funding opportunities, right? and have acacia
and basically do some perspectives for us. So, one would be your your uh potential revenue from the restaurant to defer some of the cost. Next would be looking at library grants, whether that be
potentially from the federal government through a grant process or state or being able to utilize uh some of the u a portionment of of the library tax to pay for the debt service. Right. So, >> right, I know the library would probably they are supposed to put in
>> Right. Right. So, that so that may take care of a a bulk of that expense. >> U so that would minimize the amount of uh pass through to the tax rate that you would have for the for the bond of dead. Uh and then when you go to the uh
community center uh which is uh you know about 30 30,000 square feet uh plus or minus u you know there are some opportunities that have been discussed there about some naming rights. Uh that would be a process that you know could
very well uh come to fruition. I think we would need to really have Wendy dig into how we could go about doing that um specifically uh on naming the building, but you know, if we were to find some uh
benefactors that would want to uh do that, I'm sure we could find a way >> and we from a process point of view though, these would be separated projects, right? So as we're exploring this idea of funding this through
library through senior through restaurant income that's its own animal right and then I just want to make sure >> well you know >> one is not dependent on the other >> so talk about process for a second so imagine we build a new library right the
the old everybody from the old library goes home Friday at 5:00 and on Monday morning they show up at the new library Saturday morning they show up at the new Right. Right. And then the next project takes place even though it's been planned out. We figured out how to pay for it and all that sort of
thing. Right. >> Just making sure that money is not like >> they should be tied. That's what I get. They should not be tied. >> Right. Right. They can't be because you can't be tied. If you if you if we've learned nothing, we've learned that if you tie everything together and link everything together, nothing ever gets
done. do this unless we found these external fun. >> Right. Correct. >> Correct. >> So, >> yes, Lauren, >> comment on just the design. So, first of all, I like this concept. I like moving a central. I like putting the senior
central. I think they'll like that. I do agree noise would be difficult. I would put the library higher. Um, I think the building is a little dense for the space and I know we're trying to maximize. I personally would cut the building in a little bit, even more from the sidewalk
and landscape around the corner so that when there's windows and people um in the restaurants, they're not like right on the sidewalk. So, I would almost move the building in on both sides. I would even curve it a little bit, whatever it needs to be. But so that there's
landscaping on either side, which I think beautifies the town. We can put some lighting there. I think it makes a better atmosphere. It does then link in with the rest of the park right across the street. I I just think the density of this still is just a little too much.
So that's my concern. And I think if we're going to put this big taller building in that corner, I'd rather give it a little bit of space or organic feel as Jenny's saying here. Um I I like that concept. I would like the senior center
to have its own um emergency space towards the back such that an ambulance or first responder can get through its own lane. Doesn't have to manipulate Washington or is that Tennifly? the TF group.
>> It's Tennerfly Washington, it's >> so my concern is I would like an emergency space for the senior center. If an ambulance has to pull up and pull up in almost behind the building and they be able to get somebody out that way. Um I want to make sure that there's
ramps into the senior center. There are differently aabled walkers, canes, wheelchairs that go and I don't necessarily want to put that towards the front of Washington. I I'm not sure how it would work, but that is my concern on that. Um, and obviously if there's an
elevator, the elevator has to be compliant with all that. So, those are my things. Um, I don't know, you know, if we go back to Neglia and and we say, can you tweak a little bit? But I do think behind the building is kind of
tight. I would like to see a a larger street where an ambulance or first responder can get back there. And again, I think it's too dense on the corner. I think the building should just be just enough, just a little bit of beautifification.
>> And if we were to do that, would you consider a fifth floor? Because it may be >> when you compress the square footage that you need to do the programming, you may need to then have a fifth floor. >> I think four feet on either side or five feet on either side is not going to make
or break that that programming space. >> How much square footage does that? I mean, as long as it's not suffice to, you know, the library, the senior center, and what their needs are. And I think that people hear that could listen, >> if if you took five feet from each side, that's 10 ft. It's 172 feet long. It's
1720 ft. So, it's almost double the library, double the lobby size to put it in perspective. >> So, I'm sorry. I do think it's too dense. I I still don't have We're still doubling our library size to get here. Doubling our seniors.
>> Yeah. I was just answering uh Jaime's question though in terms of what society >> I I do think it has to have proportionality with the rest of everything else though. I I love that we're going bigger for our seniors. I love we're going bigger for our library. I'm I'm so excited for those concepts, >> but it also has to be correct for
emergencies. And >> if you if you take a look at the ground floor plan drawing, >> I am >> okay. And the upper left right behind the retail, you can see the image of the car there that's already 15 feet wide. So that car so that and the senior
center there's an exit right from the senior center area there and the retail right into that back alleyway there. So in other words, that's what you're talking about is actually there because an ambulance, a car >> right in this image. I
>> still think it's it's can get >> but those are conversations we would want to make. >> I know it's conversation or >> that's that's for architects. That's for the architect. >> I still >> you know it does extend out into that
corner. I still think it's a you know it doesn't have to be >> right >> density I I do think we could do better for beautifification and >> for the purpose of this discussion here is do we want to move this forward correct the details about architecture
will be with the architects >> yep >> Dr. Okconor. >> Councilwoman >> yes. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Perfect. >> There we go. >> Thank you, David, for uh for driving this. Please uh connect back with uh
Beglia. Now, they would be able to come to the March 10th meeting. Do you want them to come? >> Unless they're they're going to add >> unless they're coming back with substance. We just had the conversation. Very happy. >> We don't want to have the same conversation again. >> All right. So, the next is Bergen County
Open Space Grants. >> Yeah, I think John Jar can go home, right? I thought he was just hanging out here for fun. >> You can go home, John. Are you welcome to stay, but you're welcome to go home. >> He's already
>> Okay. All right. Uh, is it Bington? Hey, John. Why don't you be >> Yeah, >> I'm gonna do the I'm going to do the second public comment section now. >> Oh, okay. I'm doing the second public comment section. All right, guys. All
right. We're going to have uh audience members wishing to speak will have a threeminut time limit to address the governing body on any matters on or off the agenda. Large groups are requested to have a spokesperson represent them. Would anyone like to speak? Yes. >> Okay, Lori, come up.
might be used by the burrow the way we use Peace Plaza, which nice gathering open space. Um, and it's a perch, you know, it it happens to >> be in a nice location. >> Secondly, is there a basement in this
because it doesn't the go under there? The Brooks is not. It's two separate questions. I don't know off the top of my head if there's a basement. Uh there'll be a partial basement sure for utilities and things of that nature. I don't know about a full basement, but the brook No, the
brook runs up by the diner and then it go So the brook goes uh west railroad. The you know where the diner is canered out. >> It hangs over. It hangs over specifically because the brook is underneath that. And then it goes into
um into uh River Edge Road and then cuts down towards by um Roosevelt Commons. Okay, we'll do that. Okay, that's there could be another little tributary. Yeah, there could be.
>> Yeah, of course. Yeah, the borrow hall would always be just like it is now. Would continue to be. Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's the going to be the the idea is like the second floor of a community center. >> So it would be accessible on the weekends for groups.
>> Yes. >> Right. Yeah, there's definitely an issue now with the Yeah, >> we're actually planning your birthday party already. >> Question. >> Yeah, >> this this would be a bigger space than the Macan list that would be open
windows hopefully and air and light >> similar to the library space. I I think it sounds great. If you're looking for Thank you, >> president of the committee. >> Anyone else like to make public comments? Thanks, Lori.
not tennified resident which you all know that but I feel like it's my home away from home. Thank you for that. It's going to be awesome. Senior center. Thank you very much. Anything that we can do to help push this forward, we we're there for anything. So, thank you very much. >> Thank you, Michelle.
>> Thanks for everything you do. >> Would anyone else like to make any public comments? Okay. Anyone online who would like to make a public comment? Omar, >> see no hands. Mayor. >> Okay, we're going to close public comment time. Thank you everyone for
being here. Uh, next on the agenda to be considered, the Bergen County Open Space Grants. >> Yeah, Mayor, we um uh are recommending um the lighting project at the tennis and pickle ball courts at Roosevelt common. Um the this was also recommended
by a recreation director. So, uh, it be about a half million dollar project. Um, then we would ask the Milton County Open Space for 50% of that cost. >> Okay. >> Great. All right. Any questions from council members? No. All right. Let's move on to
administrator's report. Does anyone have any questions for the administrator about the what? >> Oh yeah. Want me to talk about it? >> Go ahead, David. Talk about the Little League field. >> So yeah, the Little League Field project uh was we were hoped that it would be
underway uh before now. Um the contract tour was given a notice to proceed off December 1st. they needed to submit some submitts which were done on a a timely basis and unfortunately this winter has u has provided a number of uh cold
weather days where we are currently uh they would be entitled to roughly 20 days credit which would really put the project uh into like April 3rd and that was before this massive snowstorm. So
with the snow this week and then more coming maybe tonight and then next week there's another storm >> quickly get into having this thing open and know be available for the little league opening day and parade
>> and that's not an option. Um so in talking with Jonathan Kunan uh who has been great to work with through this whole process um as president of the league they have uh concurred with uh the position that they would like to not
risk the uh opening and having this so close to the opening that they would prefer to uh turn this field over to the contractor on June 15th with a uh hard uh deadline of August 15th and this
would all be done. You would have on your agenda for the next meeting a um uh an amendment to the contract and uh the burough engineer has recommended that along with that uh allowance to have
them change the contract terms to to the summer that uh if they go past August 15th then it would be subject to liquidated damages. All right. So, that's what we'll that's what we'll negotiate with them. >> Yeah. >> Um I I do know that they have most of
the materials already in stock and uh the the turf for this project. It was to be delivered to the contractor this week or I'm sorry, next week. Uh so they they you know they've uh been moving forward. It's just unfortunate with where we are
with the sprints. >> Okay. Very good. Thank you. We're going to move on to uh new business, introduction of ordinances. Uh the first ordinance is 2607, the affordable housing overlay zone
district. Uh Councilwoman Dr. Okconor, would you like to make a motion, please? What? >> No, we got an email clarifying. >> So, so there this was, correct me if I'm wrong, Wendy, but this is one that was like lumped together, right? So we had
>> this is site um that is part of your fourth round affordable housing plan that is part of the settlement agreement with fair share housing center. So this is a new grouping of >> um individual properties to create a big
enough property that would be uh suitable for multif family residential. >> Tell me which location we're talking about. Sorry. >> Which location >> and um >> Clinton is there anything else in that ordinance though? >> New street. Is there anything else in that?
>> It's just where the Clinton end is and down Dean Drive. >> No, no, no. It's No. It's a whole bunch of >> That's what I'm asking. Yes. I want to know when I passed which ordinance. >> That's not on your agenda. >> That's not on 07 or 08. >> No, no, no. >> Don't specify. So,
>> no. That would come forward as an amendment to redevelopment plan. That's what I not. So this overlay is where the Wells Fargo lot is I think on 07. >> No, that was already adopted. >> That's right. >> That was >> 19er uh Dean Drive 148 146 to Dean Drive
195 county 183. Those are all the >> over by even uh >> even Yeah, >> it came today
at 35. >> It's all over the place. >> It's really It's all these clocks. >> That's why I'm asking about it because I'm not following. >> It's the address. Those are the addresses. >> Yes, I'm looking I'm looking at it. >> Are you seeing it? >> This is what we were compelled to do by
the state, not anything to do with the >> this is not a property. >> This is an overlay zone. >> The other Yeah. The other ordinance that's on the agenda for introduction are existing overlay zones that were adopted as part of the bureau's third
round affordable land. Um as part of this process because they haven't reduced housing units to date. Um the burough is being passed to increase the density to see whether that spurs the multif family residential.
>> So that's the second ordinance. >> That one I that one I >> Okay. So um I move to introduce on first reading ordinance 26-07 and set the hearing for March 10th, 2026 at 7:30 or as soon thereafter. >> Have a second, please.
>> Second. Omar, could you please read the title of the ordinance to conduct a roll call? Sure. >> Ordinance number 2607, an ordinance of the burly, county of Bergen, state of New Jersey to amend chapter 35, land development regulations, article 8
entitled zoning regulations to create a new AH1 district. Council member Corsair, >> yes. >> Council member Dayton, >> yes. Thank you, David Novak and Wendy. Council >> member Jackson, >> yes.
Council member Michaels. >> Yes. >> Council member Dr. Okconor. >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, ordinance 2608, third round overlay zone. Um, Councilwoman Corso, would you like to make an make a motion, please?
Have a second, please. Omar, could you please read the title of the ordinance to conduct a roll call? >> Ordinance number 2608, an ordinance of the burough of Tennifly County of Berg, state of New Jersey to amend chapter 35 entitled land development regulations, article 8 entitled zoning regulations to
amend the maximum permitted densities of affordable housing overlay zone districts. Council member Corsair, >> yes. >> Council member Dayton, >> yes. >> Council member Jackson, >> yes. >> Council member Michaels, >> yes. >> Council member Dr. Yeah.
>> Okay. Ordinance 2609, affordable housing, uh, provisions. Um, uh, Council President Michaels, would you like to make a motion, please? >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Introduced on first reading ordinance 26-09 and set the hearing for March 10, 2026
at 7:30 p.m. or soon thereafter. >> Have a second, please. >> Second. >> Omar, could you please call uh could you read the title of the ordinance to conduct a roll call? Short ordinance number 2609, an ordinance of the bureau of tennify, county of Bergen, state of New Jersey to amend chapter 35 entitled
land development regulations. Article 11 entitled affordable housing ordinance provisions. Article 13 entitled municipal housing liaison and article 14 entitled mandatory excuse me mandatory affordable housing set aside.
Council member Corsair. >> Council member Dayton. Council member Jackson, >> yes. >> Council member Michaels, >> yes. >> Council member Dr. Okconor, >> yes. >> Okay. Ordinance 26-10, Municipal Open Space Trust. Uh, Councilwoman Dayton,
would you like to make a motion? >> 26-10. Set the hearing for March 10th, 2026 at 7:30 p.m. or soon thereafter. >> I have a second, please. >> Second. Omar, could you please read the title of the ordinance and conduct a
roll call? Ordinance number 26-10, an ordinance of the burl 10fly in the county of Bergen, New Jersey, appropriating 1,75 thou $75,000 for real property acquisition, $1,035,000 for municipal pool improvements, 65,000
for the annual nature center appropriation, 30,000 for outdoor fitness equipment at Griffin Park playground, 17,500 for water irrigation at G Street Park, at a total of 40,000 for electric
keypads and a handball wall multi-use area at Roosevelt Comments and 25,000 for the down payment for a lighting project at Roosevelt Common. >> So, wait, before we >> the So, it's not at Griffin Park
playground. So, I just I I would suggest that we just have for outdoor fitness equipment without a location that we shouldn't we shouldn't have our hands that way. >> Okay. I would like instead of us voting this as a lump sum open space to go through
each one of these. >> We said at the budget hearing an hour two hours ago that we would discuss this during the open space and so now I'm asking that the council actually instead of just lumping $1,387,000 of open space together. I would like to
discuss these things. Some of them I want to vote yes and some of them I don't want to vote yes at this time. So, we're in the middle of a motion in a second. We're ready to recall the role. So, just vote no. Everything gets voted on independently to spend the money. >> Didn't vote no across the board. And again, I asked this in budget a few
hours ago that this not be brought as a lump sum open space. >> You just made you just motion. >> I Well, you do. We We're in the middle of a vote. >> We're in the middle of a vote. >> Is there anybody that wants >> Yes. I want to pull up 1 million real
property acquisition in open space and I want to discuss options for funding. >> Okay. It doesn't work quite that way. We're in the middle of a vote. >> My motion then I'm I'm I don't want >> How do we have a vote here and no? >> I I'm taking back >> Omar. >> What's the What's the ruling? >> I'm taking back.
>> Okay. Call the role. >> No, I'm I'm sorry. I'm taking it back. >> This isn't We're not in grammar school. You don't get to take it back. >> Well, >> so then vote no. There's a motion and a second and you made the motion. The only thing you could do >> nice set up mayor is
>> I didn't respectfully there's a motion there's a second the title's been read there's a motion on the table if you all want to discuss this further you'd have to vote it down >> right then just vote it down if that's what you want to do >> I would like to discuss this at this
table in front of the public for the million dollars for real property acquisition and different funding >> there's there's close session for property acquisition So, >> this is funding this >> uh respectfully
>> then taken out of the open space ordinance. Wendy, it's what I'm asking for it to be done. >> Yeah, guys, you can vote it down. So, Omar, call the role. If it's no, it's no, no big deal. Council member, council member for >> council discussion. You didn't even offer council discussion on this.
>> Introduction, >> right? >> No discussion on the introduction. >> Discussions happen on second. I asked to discuss it during budget. >> I don't know. >> I understand. What I'm saying is just ask your fellow council members to vote it down. >> That's it. Vote it down. >> I would like a further discussion before
we fund a >> billion, right? >> This is not an adoption. This is an introduction. You either you can introduce it or not. You choose to amend it in the future meeting for an amended ordinance.
>> It's up to you guys. If you don't want to do it, you just vote no. It's just being introduced. This is not an adoption, >> right? >> So that's why there's generally no discussion >> and the discussion is at the next correct >> at the public hearing >> for the second where a motion can be
made to amend it as well. >> That that's fine. And I' I've been >> this isn't a million dollars. I'm just saying it's a million dollar discussion. You're right. But I've been through enough places, not even just here, but that second readings are when things can happen too. So, you know, you could talk
about a second reading. This just introduced. So, >> can I just How much is in our open space fund, Susan? >> Okay. So, this is taking $1,387,000 out of the two. >> Okay. Roll the ros, please. >> Cer.
>> Yes. Council member Dayton. >> No. Cast member Jackson. >> Yes. Council member Michaels. >> Yes. Council member Dr. Conor >> abstain. >> I'm abstaining. >> I just I want to of course vote up for
the nature center and everything else. I just want to discuss >> about it. Little talk about >> it's good that you highlight again. This is $65,000 for the nature center. >> Excellent. >> Which is >> 400 acres of our land which we talk about. We're gonna talk about it.
>> We're gonna talk about it. Forward to that. sign anything. >> All right. Next, move on to the uh public hearings. Ordinance 2605, removal of snow, ice, weeds, and grass. Omar, could you read the confirmation of publication of the ordinance and the
title of the ordinance? >> Ordinance number 2605. It was published in the February 15th edition of the record. is an ordinance of the burough tennifly amending chapter 12 section 3 removal of snow ice weeds and grass of the revised general ordinances of the
burough tly okay I'm going to open the floor for any public comments on ordinance 2605 only is there any member of the public here in the chambers that would like to speak I'm not seeing anyone anyone online who would like to speak Omar >> see no hands mayor
>> okay um Councilwoman Jackson would you like to make a uh motion. >> Shall be published according to law. >> Second. >> Hey, thank you for the second. Omar, could you please conduct a roll call? >> Council member Corsair. >> Yes.
>> Council member Dayton. >> Yes. >> Council member Jackson. >> Yes. >> Council member Michaels. >> Yes. Council member Dr. Oka. >> Yes. >> Okay. Ordinance 2606 fee schedule public notices the bur. Okay. Uh Omar, could you please read the confirmation of publication of the ordinance and the
title? >> Ordinance number 2606 was published in the Sunday February 15th edition of the record as an ordinance of the buronify establishing be scheduled for public notices. >> We're going to open the floor for any
public comments on ordinance 2606 only. Uh, anyone here in the chambers who would like to speak? I'm not seeing anyone. Is there anyone online who would like to speak on this ordinance only? >> You see anyone, Omar? >> See no hands, ma'am. >> All right, we're going to close public comment time. >> Can I just get a summary with what like
what is this with the public comment fee schedule? >> Yep. So, the state enacted a new law that um is allowing and requiring municipalities to put public notices on the websites instead of having to publish in the newspaper. Um, so it's
also going to impact, you know, people that come in with zoning board or planning board applications that need to give public notice. They'll have to also utilize burough resources in order to do so. So, this is setting administrative fee to cover the hopefully some of the
increased costs to the bureau for having to maintain the website and to maintain those notices. >> Thank you. >> Councilwoman Dr. Okconor, would you like to make a motion? >> Yes. I move to pass and adopt on second and final reading ordinance 26-06
and that notice of shame sh same shall be published according to law. >> Have a second please. Omar, could you please conduct a roll call? Council >> member Corsair. >> Yes. >> Council member Dayton. >> Yes. >> Jackson. >> Yes. >> Council member Michaels. >> Yes.
>> Council member Dart. >> Yes. >> Okay. We're at the consent agenda. Okay. Hey, could I get a motion, please, to approve resolutions R26-99 through R26-115?
>> Any motion? >> Uh, can I get a second? Omar, please call the role. Council member Corsair, member Dayton, >> Council Member Jackson. Council member Michaels, >> yes. >> Council member Dr. Okconor,
>> yes. I get a motion to approve the minutes of January 13, 2026, the mayor and council meeting. Could I have a second? All in favor? Any opposed?
Okay. Um committee reports. Councilwoman Jackson. Um anyway, so I um I have a lot of committees though. So, downtown and chamber, we'll we'll pair them together. So, we've got we've been
discussing about a FIFA event um for the finals on July 18th and 19th as a partnership with the Chamber of Commerce. Um more details to come. We'll have uh perhaps we'll have an amphitheater. So, perhaps. Yes.
>> Exciting. So, just you know, you can hype people up about that. Um, night market's going to be Saturday, May 16th with a rain day at the 17th. So, that's shaping up and some of our meetings were canceled because of snow. So, we'll cons we'll resume that next week. Um, what
else? Moving on. Concerts. Concert committee is meeting and they're underway and we're talking about classical concert at Davis Johnson, but just one or two classical concerts there. We like to have it downtown. We like to keep it alive downtown and continue to grow
that. We have a lot of new great music um coming to the committee to listen to. So, um that should be >> even better than ever. Um let's see the pool. We have more than 115 members. >> 115
>> 115. >> Uh it might be higher now. I haven't seen a report in a few days. So, great. >> So, that's good. Um, the teen camp for I guess that's a wreck thing, but the teen wrecky's pool is full, but there's still
uh room for the uh for the WKEY uh program that's in partnership with the pool. So, there's like a a bundled discount there, so the public can take advantage of that still. Um, what else? Uh the Historic Preservation Commission
would like to recognize Rita Heler for her years of service. Um uh since the beginning of the commission. Um so I just wanted to go ahead and say that out loud for the record. Um >> Sure.
>> So I don't know if any of you know this, but Precoid Rita was on the steering committee actually with Lori who is no longer here um to actually bring in something for Elizabeth Katy Stanton. And so she was on the 19th amendment uh committee for Rita Heler was uh
instrumental on the research and just all of the history and background for Tennifly. She has been an outstanding member of the historic preservation committee. Um so I'm so glad they're recognizing her. >> Yeah. and um that and also they're
they're excited about the 250th uh celebration and in preparation they wanted to make sure that there's some attention to the signs in towns. Uh there's some historic therap uh checking those out and making sure everything is cleaned up and ready to
go. >> You know what signs You know what the signs I'm talking about, right? There's like a Washington Washington pass through here signs, that sort of thing. There's a bunch on Tennifly Road. >> That's all I got for now. So, >> okay. Thank you, Councilwoman Dayton.
>> Um, my committees have not met very much. Um, in senior services, we are working on the grant. I was going to actually ask for the status of that. It's uh being so Kelsey from uh Cyers has worked on it of course and great
being submitted um >> and that's for our senior walking path and you know if you want to put in the outdoor equipment >> yeah that's >> into that of course but I'm just >> um so that's excellent. Thank you. >> Um Joint use actually had a meeting
which was very interesting. Um yeah yeah yeah I mean our two sides should talk more but essentially they were um asking about all the new developments that are coming up. They are cons were concerned and have been concerned obviously with
the PSEG interruptions to uh school traffic which you know we've said are way out of our control but have asked and John asked very strongly you know to let us know more notification um on their end what did they talk about
>> what >> on joint use what were they bringing up they were bringing up um >> it was mostly the PS and GC >> mostly mostly the roads you know, ask questions about development. Yeah. >> Right. Uh we did I brought up, you know, a possible walking path over um the
crossing guards to get to the high school, but there's not enough room. That was the consensus in the room. You know, just trying to relieve where the congestion and and bottlenecks are. >> Um and otherwise, it was a a very quick meeting with a lot of people. Uh we did talk about the times for basketball,
which is now almost over, so we're in our last week, and that didn't get solved. Maybe for next year we can jump on that again. Every year it's the same conversation about times and gym use. Um so that's joint use. Planning board is going to meet tomorrow. >> Correct.
>> At 7:30. >> At 7:30. We are still not hearing from Starbucks. If anyone's interested in the public, we will hear from them. They've been postponed again. >> Why? On them. >> From them. It's on their end. It's planning board side. >> On our side. I want you to know um we
are passing a lot of our affordable housing and we are passing our affordable housing settlement at least approvals from the council and the planning board. Those are due in early March and we have done what we needed to here tonight. Thank you Wendy for those
ordinances. We um have settled or are hoping to settle with Fair and Share which is an outside uh agency that um essentially almost dictates what your needs are. But um we have with David Novak done an outstanding job to satisfy
our affordable housing. As we all know, we're building our United Way home which is 100% affordable housing. We have just put into place overlays here. Um we are building a couple uh different apartment complexes that will satisfy here and
there 10 and 20 apartments for affordable housing. So I think Tennifly should be in good shape. Wendy, I hope you agree with that sentiment. Yeah, the I just want to also update the council. I know there was some question about what properties are what. Um I've
actually been in discussion with my counterpart over at Fair Share Housing Center um because of the March 15th date and this redevelopment opportunity that is hanging out there, but obviously is not ready for an adoption of a redevelopment plan by March 15th. So
more than likely, you will have a resolution on your next agenda authorizing an amendment to the mediation agreement. um in order to provide additional time for that particular site. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And so, you know, Wendy keeps us on the straight and narrow for affordable
housing. And I have to say, many towns are having huge arguments and as many of you know, there's a lawsuit now on on appeal for many of the towns in Bergen County. >> Supreme Court denied it today. >> Well, there so they decided
>> was it for justices or >> they didn't even want to hear it. So, the decision was not to hear it. >> Not surprising, right? That's amazing, though. >> Wow. Okay, good. >> I'm not going to comment. I won't be nice about it. Uh, no. But in all due
respect, uh, many towns have raised the issue about the impossibility of actually satisfying some of these extreme affordable housing requirements, you know, given the size and space of of our small towns. And as you just heard, it it went up through the courts at
every level and has been denied. So, you know, right now we owe what 65 credits for this place. >> Well, we're a big demand analysis town, which means that there is no potential for Tennifly to meet the 290 plus number, >> right? No real space that you have
available. >> You know, I find it amazing though. Tennifly manages. We're building our second council decided to build a second 100% affordable housing project. And some of these towns that are fighting this, I'm not going to name any names,
have so much open space land everywhere to put one of these little buildings in that we managed to squeeze in here. >> Well, there is a very nice thing to moving to the suburbs and having open land and having open space. And so, uh, you know, overdevelopment hurts the
whole community as far as I'm concerned. Yes. But we are as far as Tennifly is concerned, we are building our affordable housing and we are taking >> that's what matters. Yeah. >> So, and that's very important because you guys are passing these ordinances and we'll pass them in the next two weeks in March. And so, everyone should
learn this. Um, Wendy is excellent at it. She is a great resource to learn affordable housing. So, if anyone has questions though, David Novak, >> David is amazing. David Novak knows this stuff, but Wendy can really if you want to sit down and learn about this and
everyone should please, you know, sorry Wendy, go to Wendy and you know, but thank you to Mary Beth on the planning board who oversees this process and is so meticulous and does such an incredible job at the planning board. So, I just want to say thank you for that.
>> If I could give another shout out, you have a wonderful resource in Amanda who's your planning board secretary who is also your housing liaison. >> Yeah. So, thank you to Amanda all honest and honest and she keeps all our deadlines which you cannot miss. This is really tight deadlines with a lot of
paperwork and reporting. So, thank you to Amanda and everyone else. Um, and last thing uh on here honestly is just again I I can't say enough Pat Mason and his crew at the DPW. John and I are the DPW liaison and we are just
sitting back because it is a well-run ship over there. our town. I mean, my street doesn't even have a ice on it. It is >> uh the amount of salt and work and manpower to every DPW employee out there. Thank you. Thank you. On behalf
of all of us and you know >> you know our borders as as someone said, you know, immediately you know when you cross into Tennifly, your streets are clean. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Council President. >> Nothing, Mr. Mayor. Counciloman Corsair.
Thanks, >> Councilwoman Dr. Okconor. >> Yeah, just a couple dates to share. Um the U Tennifly Nature C Center's annual boundary walk, they're always looking for volunteers with that. Is going to be March 8th. The boundary walk is uh a
stewardship requirement. They have to walk the boundary, check for debris or encroachment. So that'll be March 8th. Keep uh checking that website if you want to jump in. Uh this is this is all from the environmental commission because they send a liazison over to us.
The next environmental commission event is going to be the trashathon which we do in partnership with the nature center and that's going to be um Sunday uh April 19th. Uh I want to bring everyone's attention
to the upcoming winter newsletter which I see is already online on our website but I'm imagining a paper version should be in the mail. Yeah. >> Should be getting it shortly because I I saw it already posted. So, I was like I'm assuming there's a very good article
in there about reduc trying to get people to reduce waste where they can and also like pay attention to leaves and options for mulching because obviously the leaf composting is going to be an expense to our burrow which is
all of us and something that we could try to reduce. So, just bring your attention to the newsletter. The annual tree planting for Arbor Day this year is going to be at the middle school. A date has not been selected yet. I know the mayor and a few council people always go
to that every year. The Arbor Day plan. >> I think they picked the date. >> You got the date? >> Yes, I got an email with it. You did also, right? >> It's middle It's middle school. Yeah. >> But I didn't know the date. Okay. >> By the way, someone asked me about the sh You were there about the shade tree reprinting. Were you there? Oh, at the
at the Korean Lunar New Year Festival, which I forgot to mention, they asked about the shade tree replanting um and said we should make it more known. So, I'm gonna throw that back. >> So, that that's in the newsletter this this year. And just like last, right, we we're going to have like a standing ad
in the newsletter, but actually, I would always like maybe just randomly to put it on our social media. So maybe if what is the process if I wanted to put a graphic on for social media, do I send it to you, David? Like for the free tree
program, for example. Yes. Okay. So good point. But again, please read your newsletters because there's so much in there. >> And then um just a shout out with our green our high school green team. Mayor, I might be alerting you to um make a an
an announcement on your weekly call. Should they ask that? Should they confirm they want this? But the high school green team and uh and Councilwoman Dayton's daughter is part of this. They're creating an art project using uh caps, the plastic caps. And so
they're talking about possibly setting up collection sites where people can bring >> Oh, very good. >> Their Emily plastic bottle cap. >> Send me an email about that one in this Friday's message. Email me tomorrow. Okay. >> I'm going to I'm going to see what it where they want. Yeah, of course you
>> to put that. Thanks. And then just the last thing I do want to uh mention is that um just while we're talking about green te while we're talking about Dave the DPW rather green teen expressed their gratitude to DPW for fixing a flood that was in their greenhouse a
pipe there had burst and everything had frozen with only one plant surviving. So DPW when they're not fixing snow they're doing a lot of other things. Just got to let you know. And uh on just uh unfortunately we did receive a letter
from a resident who was um just very concerned about the loss of trees uh in a particular property and uh you know we were just talking about how you know there's not we don't have all the
control over these things especially on private properties but that we do want to always have a strong tree code as we work on that uh to to help where we can, but you know, we can't control uh everybody's property. Anyway, that's
about everything. Uh that particular place that she was concerned about was uh Engle Street. Uh many trees and in one property there. All right. Well, that's about everything. >> Okay. Very good. Uh no mayor's remarks
tonight. Um the uh I get a lang, could you read the language to go into close? Do we have a quick close conversation? Please, >> Omar, what's the resolution number? Is it 116 or 117? 116.
>> Resolution R26116 at a meeting of the mayor and council of the burough of Tennifly County of Bergen, state of New Jersey held on February 24th, 2026. Be it resolved in compliance with NJSA 104-12. The mayor and the council of the Burough of Tennifly are going into a closed executive session to discuss the
following matters. Real property acquisition, I'm sorry, real property, burough property. Minutes will be taken of the meeting and released to the public at the time that the matter is resolved. Can >> I get a motion, please? >> Can I get a second? Second. >> All in favor? Any opposed? Okay. First
close session.