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of the mpal center and B website so first order of business is uh public comment we have 15 minutes allowed for that citizens are welcome to address the mayor and Council on any governmental item of concern to them whether or not it's scheduled on the agenda below
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meeting here room who' like to speak lar ma' no members of the public is there anyone on Zoom online who would like to speak members of the public your hands there okay I got to close public comment time the first uh agenda item is
H Recreation I'm sorry just I'm just texting uh C woman anyone no oh of course all right so before David's gonna have a few comments and I actually have a comment about parking Revenue all right so I I just uh sent
you a or distributed to you a memo I I I sent you an updated Capital this morning which will go over at the end of today um but before we get into um Jim's presentations just I'm just going to briefly talk about some stuff that we uh that department um the pool Revenue
as of last night is at $175,000 ex 173 175,000 and we have $18,000 plus committed from Shabad so that brings us to about 195 um so it appears that we can move
forward with the pool that's great I mean that's thanks to Janet her team and Damie and her team said that good part about that councilman is that uh what I'm proposing is that we fund the non-payroll costs for this year out
of the open space fund which would be about $180,000 um and then we would create the pool utility with the intent that the utility would be self- liquidating going into 2026 what does that mean meaning that the membership the membership would have to raise the entire
budget and okay so you see it as self sustaining yes uh and the membership Constitution as it relates to rural residents versus non-residents do we know that jie do yes so we have
165 family resident memberships and 16 nonresident families 165 to 16 90% we had a last night between 5m 11:30 last night
we're done everything has been done online yeah so and then and then on that um well I know some want to get more into the pool but just one other thing for you to consider um the residents of Alon have been benefiting from our
Recreation process for a long time and they've been afforded in Resident rates and the burrow of outline is not contributed to the dimes the burrow tenly uh Jamie has brought to my attention as we're looking for revenues and expenses
to moderate this budget uh that we should be looking for revenue from the bough Alpine like we did with the with Demorest for the court what that number is I think we should have a dialogue but you know I'm thinking in the area of 20
$30,000 about 100 100,000 we could whatever you want to do my only suggestion with that John is come up with number CU because maybe the number should be 110 right has come up with a number or maybe it should be 10 we don't know that somehow relatable to
the overhead cost the revenue the number of people right you want to make a number that's accurate check the school something of that nature so right for students so maybe what do you I don't understand
hold on so time out say that again they cut check to the school so we should find out the value okay so just just show you know the number is much bigger than 150,000 and that's set so have that conversation with the Board of Ed sure but that number is set by state
law right so I think it should be a fraction of that whatever that number may look like so we can we can talk about that and if that means to put that in I now that is a great but that's just an orbit I'm sorry you're just G to call some say just no we're going to come
we're going to come up with a rational basis it has to be a rational number but and that's going to come back to you we're not going to go and put something on the table that doesn't have to supported the council but as we say that so wait a minute let me just answer his question hold on second so right now
sitting here we all agree philosophically is the other community should be paying their fast sh right okay we hav right but my point is we haven't done the work to figure out what's the what is the actual ual F share equal right and and I guess
my thing was I was having a hard time with the number what what it should be is the services that they use right this this is not arbitrary the services that they use I'm going to make it up we just spoke about the pool are there any Alpine residents that are in the pool at
at a nonresident rate no a resent exactly it should be as a nonresident rate this is not arbitrary they're not a resident therefore the nonresident rate when they do the Sports they're we're we're again we're subsidizing right so that's how I would
do it versus just an arbitrary I think this is done I think demor uses a lot of whether it's the closers Recreation um or press skills Recreation they open up the Govern for such a small town so there there is definitely a
number out there I would just come up with the shared service agreement because right now we have nothing we have verbal agreements yeah that's if we have something in writing that would make and that's where the number would get iner um now if I doubt that we'll get a shared services agreement in time for the introduction of this budget um so
you're not going to have the revenue that we're talking about is not going to be available to include in the revenues anticipated in 2025 but as we get that sus can put it in as Mna we'll get the money in and that we could then anticipate that if we have shared
services agreement so I'm with you on that what I'm saying is and I'll take responsibility that I didn't realize this eight weeks ago effective right this very minute all future Alpine pool again we're talking about pool right now pool
things should be at non-resident so it's effective right this very minute like it makes no sense whatsoever moving forward correct from today now so I know it's going to take you time to come up with shared sourice AG it's going to be negotiated renegotiated re renegotiated I'm saying effective
today they should be paying a the non-resident r sign up for yes and they pay the cheaper rate so now how do you we can't we can't go backwards forward today okay so so so J so so Jamie and
David will figure that out offline about going forward I just don't want to wait I just don't want to take another year of negoti I guess real point that I was trying yeah the real part point I was trying to make is this is one of the things that we've asked our department heads to come to the table come to me
come to Susan with ideas so you're going to hear throughout in more detail on Tuesday of some things that we're we're working on to get your support to say yeah it's research and explore it let's do it or not right I don't want to be punitive I just believe that the ttif
resents should subsidize so I know that we've been talking about the Alpine and shared services but he go back for the first of pool that's not get a fundamental understanding so when we embarked on this project we needed I think was 250,000 or or so 350 350 is
the budget from from uh we we needed like a floor of people signing up that was so we based it on the PA lch report our auditor based on the financials that were submitted from the tenant Hill Swim Club and he projected that that we would
need $350,000 so run it so what we had discussed before is that we we needed to to have a target of $200,000 from membership and 150,000 from the burrow right so now that my my million dollar question is this when we were talking about it I kept hearing things like
utility or Capital versus operating but now we're saying open space but I don't think that was on the table when we discussed this so so here's the issue what we're what I'm suggesting we take
out of the open space for the pool would be allowable charges and I I talked to our bond counsil about this and we we're on good ground um it would be a one-time appropriation set up a full utility and
there would be no other appropriation from space so my concern about that taking 150 right right but but let me finish the other part of that if we don't take the 180 out of open space then then the only other option for that is additional taxation in the operating
budget but what that was what was on the table about six months ago when this was brought to us we said that this would be something that but we start out with a 600 it's $800,000 hole without the pool
so so here's my issue we take a 100 well first of all a was not what was discussed right we we all weol it's an involving budget process no but we we said that this was going to be something that we were gonna be willing to pay as
a town because Town people use it or it's a nice service we we said that and then except we needed to see a certain floor of support so that was a what was discussed so I I want to go on record I'm not really nuts about you know
switching what was discussed to something else but in in a sense you're it's it comes down of Taxation you're either taxing them through the operating budget or you're taxing them through open space so they're still paying tax the sure but but let's get to part two
so you have 180,000 coming out of open space there's all sorts of projects that come to us all the time that we can absolutely fund for from open space we make that decision as a counil if this pool goes to to heck in a hand basket by
year two now I'm $80,000 out of open space and I have nothing to show for it either you're going to have improvements to the pool and You' have a facility that you could either um lease out to another Pool Company to sell to
move into a different process but no but let's let's get to the the brass tax of it it's 180,000 to improve it as a pool to fix it up as a pool cor right in a year from
now this pool experiment goes away I've wasted $180,000 from open space that you know can be you could say the same for taxation but again this is what we decided do a couple months ago now
you've you've taken it out and I I don't know that everyone here has decided collectively that they want to possibly trash 180,000 if it doesn't that's that's open for everyone to decide these are the the other charge that I've had
from this council is to bring is to bring this 6.7% tax increase projection down so if we if we start out with adding 180 then that 6.7 goes up to 7.1 7.2 and and then it's going to be harder
to bring it down this is just a suggested methodology to not have that tax rate so so I I'm making very clear that again and I appreciate you trying to save money in different places but
this is not how I would view that we could carefully and analytically decide on what we use that fund for and I and and I am most concerned about the fact that this might not even be something that in year
two stays as it is counc sorry is your question L like the interest right is it the matter of spending the 180 or where it comes from it's where it comes from because we decided to spend it we
decided to spend it when the when the community came to us and said we need to we need to P we said okay fine we decided to spend that but it's where it comes from if we're using it like here's this pile of money that I'm going to keep you know I'll plug in this hole
that hole well 180,000 could be used on something specifically open space related that we know tennis court we know we're going to have that for years years years more so your it should be in operating it or what I think called
Capital right or is it operating yes I it is my point it is my point because a it was not what we discussed and that's a big one for me and B uh I I think this literally could be possibly throwing it away and we could use that
open space to do something for that property that is something that is more than one you know there's there's another way of looking at it though from a you know economic standpoint the goal of the pool is to make it a self-funding operation everything else we have spent the open space money on has never been a
self-funding operation so you can look at it like so the tennis courts the tennis courts the Nature Center whatever we do with that money none of it has ever been self-funding whereas this has the potential of being wherever we get the money from is fully self funding
going forward that's the upside of it all and that I'm sure that's even going to happen but but we always we are entering this saying well some of us are saying it doesn't have to it it doesn't necessarily have to be self-funding to stay open it could be like something
that we are supplementing the way we supplement so many of our services so point it's just it's a recommendation about a one of the possibilities of what to do to keep the tax rate increased under control that's what it it right yes yes
and what we can do Council we could find again we could get tighter in another department and see if we can do it yeah I mean I just I mean I'm very disly remember conversation to clarify versus do we want to do it basis and the neutrality of from a
cash standpoint would ultimately be neutral on the operating you're completely correct in your understanding the only question is do we make a pivot or not and it's a reasonable question to ask and one that we should have a conversation about but not be definitive on totally okay right my Counterpoint to
it would be potentially that improvements that are made for 180,000 may be reusable in the event that there's a failure we don't choose to do this in a year or two well I want to know that I want to know exactly that right so you got to take the 180 out
open stat what and if there's a poor failure did we P it away did I do something with this totally agree that's reasonable you have to rehab the site anyway maybe it fits in that box doesn't so Dan did you have a question yes
so the under the 350 170 salary and we're doing the 180 the other bucket of money if the pool makes money as it can that's in my pay back the yes you would you would
then not you would not draw down the money and it would be cancel and left open space it's an open space Reserve in the event that it's required I totally agree with you it's it's a fairy tale but you know yeah I would I would I
would agree with that jul I think it's going to be fine yeah we're not we're not going to make a decision just open space under the theory with that's a bridge too far for all are unfor all right let's stay focused let's stay focused all right so second
question sorry she was talking about shared services without F uh if that resolution or agreement happens to pass that would qualify for the lead for uh yes it should if if it's a fiveyear if
it's a five has to be minimum five years sh local efficieny think I you they didn't actually have a that so check your email you have the invites and I was able to successfully
do it if not I screw something up and I'll go back okay the buet money is PL but we should grab every okay so that gets us to Jamie and then bot never never let the fear of striking
out keep you from playing the game we'll just do we're just doing um no we're good everyone's good my bu remember we no longer do the line by
line thing yeah she knows yeah so if if we're just dipping into the operating budget a little bit I just have one question regarding the operating um under I believe the overtime was cut yes my only concern with that is uh we just got a Browns
Keeper in July and he has to work the overtime events and sporting events and things like that and it looks like he used about $2,200 of the budget but he needs to work the other half of the year so 5,000 000 was our overtime budget in
the past years and it looks like we did utilize the money so it's going to be hard to pass in work for the whole year on overtime for $2500 I'm happy to cut from the rest of the budget to try to make up for that money all right so where would you cut
the additional 2500 so rank equipment I could take $1,000 um we could take postage we don't really do postage anymore we mark it online things of that nature I'm happy to grab from some of these
lines to yeah just looking the rebound yeah we need the overtime budget but Susan I can work with you there're small numbers I can one of one of the goals when we get something like this I think speak is you
know if if you if you want to propose that something should be put back then we're asking you to find somewhere within the containment of your budget to make up that difference yeah I can absolutely do that just just in terms of high Lev simple question do you need more or
less this year than last year the same the same so so your proposal is to hold your budget flat your money I want say it was cut a bit it was cut a little bit not much I mean it's nothing I can't work with Okay so you are you are flat
the down yeah because in the recreation department as you know we things come up I don't know if a vehicle needs to be finished some years yes some years no um some years we need things we don't need another year you have reserves for that so yeah we just pull from other lines so which is fine um we do have the team
sentor we in the canas room um you know now we have the L League field so I I don't know what our year-to-year looks like so it's good to have the account a little bit there might be years where it's like well Jamie you didn't use your $22,000 for maintenance um because maybe
it's just not a her that needed it do you make money like these pickle ball Courts for example A lot of people are asking them like people signing up does that like help your budget when you get like a particularly popular um service so we do take tennis memberships and
pickleball memberships that goes into our the the trust of those but it can be used for projects so when we're going to do the tennis courts it is creating revenue for those for projects okay quite a bit of Revenue um the tennis court membership used to be like $10
when I got here I'm like why are we feeling that can we just do a yearly membership and we've created so much more Revenue that way we're going to do the same with pickle ball and also we're going to run like um Ron Robbins and all types of things for pickle ball as we would for tennis is tennis membership a
requirement it it is starting May 1 you can use the I'm offended by that as a res because Jamie unfortunately had came to us last time and a lot of time being used for their animals to deficate and
then there were others that non tenti residents were using it that were professional $100 an hour lessons on our tennis courts so that's here's the good
news the DPW it's like using the rec I have to come to ball to get a sticker I don't pay for that sticker I agree with certification of residential status I'm not sure that I agree with charging residents for this is a open space shared service things that we do it is a
part of living in this town $10 is just a nuisance fee right as much as a nuisance as here's what's good for you tell you what it is 5050 right so no you don't necessarily need membership we we do take memberships if you want to Reserve
Court time when the courts are not being used and we posted as a resident you can go ahead and use whatevers are so it's kind of like a 50 somebody Tri to throw off yeah no so if you see it's being used and then you're like well that one
isn't feel free to go next Reser and I'm GNA be honest really popular in residents they will pay that membership so they can reserve a fort the right to reserve
totally so so one thing David we spoke about I'd love to see if it's not too honorous let's say monthly we were gonna start tracking utilization of some of our one one at a time guys one at a time so we are going we've discussed tracking
usage of all these Services all these things that we start we're really spending some good money on um should be a hundred things one of them would probably be the T courts the second one would be the pickle ball courts you know I'd love to where we're investing a lot
of money into the dog the RO Street Park I don't know how we track that but I'd really love us to feel good about clickers clickers councilwoman carer's promised to stay 24 hours a day um I just I think it makes us feel
good that we're investing in the right places so so so actually is that possible yeah I mean so would be Department by department so you know Jamie would toct that on recation to do that on a monthly basis try we
used to do it together when and I yes so actually Jamie um so just so I'm clear that we tennis courts are going to be something we focus on in the near future and um so you were saying that you'll get a revenue from from people who are
using it is that enough at all to P in part of any of these improvements or or no this is just operating but these projects are c a lot of money what you use this other money for you saying it helps
your yeah right right okay right now it's like you know we're using it for okay that kind offf but we do have enough to help in the project um to put towards it you know that's what it's for I mean you know
yeah we're right on good good sh all right who else has questions for Jamie doing a great job thank you thank you so much I really appreciate pictures and everything that were in your oh okay numbers are a
little boring but the pictures are really great um yeah I just wanted to say that the staff is really on board for all the new things we're doing we've done some wonderful projects and Renovations um we had a really good year last year that we're proud of um and we
have a really exciting season coming up we already have 200 Camp members registered that's very high for this time of year and we're just it's you know um so depending where we're going to be
located we can keep taking more kids and if this works out with the pool that should be able to be even cooler for right there's extra it's phenomenal for us to be there so so following up with itams comment about the pool you're going to put together a plan opening
plan and what has to happen and everything okay brings you back to my PO days yeah when you when will you have that ready so the council can get opening right JP did email me yeah respective
did he copy you on that he Emil me yeah it would be it would be nice if a month or so from now you come back to a council meeting and give the council like a 10-minute high level this is this is the plan how we're going to execute it dates and stuff like that okay this
way because we want to be able to identify anything you might need that we most certainly haven't thought about yet right so we want so okay go wait a minute hold on one at a time Jamie go ahead theal
are well there's $50,000 for a pickup truck she is she was she threatened me right the outside the Tiger Park we only have one truck and we never asked for vehicles but I'm happy to
share it with whoever need so so Jamie so the splash park is not funded the outdoor fitness equipment is not funded the little field is funded and I'm going to discuss that in capital because there's uh gets a little intertwined with the
grants and so forth for the council to understand that entire cost um playground equipment for Walnut Park the inclusive playground equipment and sensory uh stuff for autism okay um is in what is also in are is money
for new electronic signs both here at tly and River Edge and at Route 9 W and east No it's it's in the plant she's asking what was cut so that's not cut yet um potenti so what is also included
right now is obviously we talked about the pool um a volleyball court at the grocery Street Park is currently in um and then the the tennis courts of going to be a separate discussion buddy but from your from your
request um like I said the pickup truck is is uh it funded at $50,000 and uh you know some there's some additions for parks and recreations the only thing that really is not funded or two things are the splash park at Walnut Park and the outdoor fitness
equipment ski all year did this theack and I don't I don't I think there's a price money we're good yes okay so jimie um so you'll get a memo for me uh once the
capital is finalized and once we finalize pretty much Jael recommendations on the operat that gets you know get support from the counil so all the Departments will know exactly where they stand okay thank you thank
you have a great weekend hey Michael how you doing so I I have a quick question a little bit off to about the budget it's about anticipated Revenue right so David and I are going to be making a recommendation to the council for council meeting Tuesday night in terms
of parking Revenue overnight parking parking on permont the whole nine yards so if the Council moves forward with that okay can we anticipate that Revenue can we add that Revenue to the budget for the period of time we think we'll
collect it let's say starting June 1st I have to look to see because normally they look at and that was in the past so the revenue on Pont there was there was revenue on Pont in the past just so so part of it so there's work to be done so
it's not an outright no we might be we might be able okay good for parking what you're suggesting parking last yeah you're talking about renting spaces on P remember we took over the cxes all I'm asking is very
simple question doesn't in meter Washington no oh God no no no no no no none of that none of that no it's overnight parking it's overnight par corre it's all it's new Revenue doesn't impact res no that's why I'm saying that's why
I'm bringing up now all right Jamie Jamie thank [Music] you no I text she may maybe the midd something okay Michael where'd you
go think iy get some water my God every minute after minutes cost you $100 Cass while we're waiting for Mike I used the acronym Mna uh so I I I'm thinking everybody's into that into the lingo of Finance in the public sector so Mna is
miscellaneous revenues that are not anticipated so miscellaneous Revenue not anticipate yeah that's how you that's how you put yeah that's that's how you put money into the budget like if you do Revenue sources because you can't anticipate that Revenue ahead of time
because it wasn't there in the previous year so this parking thing would be yeah like if you you still benefit from it but we can't really say this is happening any revenues that come in also after the budget is adopted is not
anticipated okay Susan admonished me for using learn all right Michael what's going on Michael morning how long would you like to stay here this morning I'm sorry how long would you like to stay here this morning five 10 minutes I like everybody
go so the clock the clock's running I can based on our conversations yesterday based on conversations yesterday great I can leave right now you got 600 problem I trust much um we're down we took down our operating
from year year over year down approximately 8% by my calculations it's big number W and salaries 7% down down it's 16% of my driver labor 13% of my
people overall so what I need is counsel to back me up when things are slowing down and it's what does that mean it means I'm not going to be able to get to potholes as quickly I'm not going to be able to cut grasses often I need to spread my people thinner and it's going to take longer to do stuff so let me let
me add to that because it's not that's it's not a total picture Okay so we're not cutting any bodies that might cast currently and we've had an add up forever about driver labors we haven't been getting qualified people we haven't
been getting qualified people in the door but to bring this uh tax increase into a reasonable picture we're not actually cutting the positions but we're not going to fund them in the 2025 budget is what the recommendation is um
and uh you know and that goes from our our experience of how many people are coming in that are quality they're not and Mike will tell you I'm sure that you know those coming in the door are just you know we're picking from um not so not so qualified people at this point
yes but to his point so you know he's had the same amount of staff as long as we can keep them I mean there's been people coming in and out that we have so you know as we come up with different priorities that we want DPW to address
and then they if they address them then that's going to take from the amount of things they can do with other areas so I have a question so how many uh openings do we have right now for for four driver laborers how many four driver laborers
one cor okay so but before just for the driver we have openings for four driver labors so for about the past year didn't we have three so the one new opening is a new person who left that you need to fill so you said there four openings
right yeah there's been a couple of uh couple transients in and out okay so so but so we we tend to have correct me if I'm wrong we tend to have two or three unfilled positions on a regular basis pretty much since I started right okay so how many positions are we not funding
four we're going to not fund for yes okay that's the recommendation okay driver labor driver labor but theoretically it doesn't mean there's less than there are right now well it sounds like based on what M no one's being laid off right sounds like there's
one body not being built because the other three to your point we haven't had right because they' always right it's been on and it's been up and down right right right it's been up and down with that two in full St once since been here right right two
weeks so I think this is the wrong decision I think our DPW should be fully STA and I think that as when you go into the town that you live in office you work in or
the hotel you check into the standard in of Heth that looks in tles dictates how people behave dictates how people feel about their home dictates about how potential new residents into a town I do
not want to be short sided and have a lack of graph cut a lack of you're already leaning from behind on that no of sure but driving on Clinton on the Engle last night is an appalling experience for and and it it really
affects the way people view our town both residents and perspective residents if we want to attract business in town I am very reluctant to not to to decrease the WW budget in any matter and I would advocate for holding those positions open in the fill now is it four or is it
two I would rather pay two people and pay them a little bit more to have the to be here and be encouraged by this job unless concern I'm behind that but Dave's point is and it's it's very true I'm sick of bringing people in you can't watch him walk back
out because they don't rap that your problem is not what we're discussing what we're doing is not actually finding you in any meaningful manner because you can't do right then I'm okay what is what why why are the people leaving uh for well I've had to let a
few go just for performance okay I've had a couple guys go to be CS a couple guys go to other towns why and I've had people retire why other towns one guy went he wanted to he Tru not for a
reason all right so John your John your argument is defunding four people's too many yeah okay but just just so you because from what I'm hearing is it doesn't matter putting the money back
not will without any incremental you know if you had anybody here you know yeah we' get a lot more done we'd look a lot better and we'd be able to respond but not gonna happen realistic
so Mar your point and in order to you know and again I spoke David and Susan yesterday I said I'm trying to do whatever I can that helps the rest of the bar like you said they're not here they're not here but one illness away one injury
away problem if it happens to the recycling center I have to staff that with overtime Double Y Saturday and Sunday so you use the fund you told me recently to do the suay over
that the clean Community or with your recommendation all right let's do one at a time here who else has question who else has questions or comments about this go ahead Julie is there something uh so so I I
agree with John first of all yes all the money in the world it sounds like there's more a fundamental challenge that you as the leader has to address and figure out so all the money in the world still not the second thing though
is if there's a people issue you know do we have too much op non people operating that we're not doing enough with because we don't have the people in the first place I'm making this all up we buy lots of fertilizer but we don't have the person to put the fertilizer on the ground no we're not we're not throwing
money out the window no no but is there if we want to take I'm making up a number $100,000 and add it more to salary is there something in operations that non salary that we could make up
for can I question about that re with the new with the Personnel when you get a a retirement I'm to who I don't know have retirement coming is that allowed to
[Music] be that one to right that's I just want to be clear on we had a lot yeah I wasn't really prepare I didn't really prepare this for for you guys but we had a lot of big
expenditures last year that came out of my operating that I'm hoping if they don't reoccur you know we don't have water heater go you know $3,000 here $7,000 there well pump at the pond eight grand there okay those are things that
I'm anticipa are not going to happen that I'm gambling but I'm hoping that doesn't happen so then we should be okay with the operation that we oh okay so we did around with David Susan Omar myself and then Christina and myself and my
office went over it again this week and we came back we found another whatever $225,000 or something like that but you know we're hoping it's going to go down gas right now is is stable we're good we cut $10,000 out of our gas because we use the same gallons every year yeah gas
is down now um one thing though is any Capital that you're talking about I've been canvasing some other areas prices since the uh Administration change in Washington pric is up 20%
25% on everything but not fuel not fuel I'm hoping I'm hoping that is that is that because of the proposed tariffs I people are scared yeah they said prices that are get that everybody are getting are increased are
we allowed to Edge no Arbitrage is not allowed we can't what i' like to buy a lot of gas so what I would do I'm not boring all right one one at a
time one at a time guys lock a price i' like to lock in a price consumption oh on a on a well right now we're using one of the cooperatives right and that goes up and down yeah we could explore that but I don't
know that I think the best you would get through that process is that you could do a competitive and not and do our own bid if you will and I think that's what you're talking about if we did our own bid you may be able to take what's are we 15 cents over the the market or all
right so are we over over Market because it's here it's a good question let me finish it's a great question so whatever it is is is you're going to have rate plus I believe is what you're going to find with the cooperates all right so if you did your own bid you may be able to
get that rate at a you know a certain level you're not going to get it to zero because then you're asking them to gamble against themselves right for which you pay a premium it is US buying a forward right so they're some else takes the
volatility in their budget right so that's so that's basically where where you've gotten where where the cooperatives are rate plus I'm going to say 15 cents maybe more than that maybe less if you could do our own we could do our own bid and then compare what is the better option the only reason it would
ever make sense is depending consumption consumption has a i denominator then it makes sense to look at it ourselves I assume DBW burrow in general consumes a lot of gasoline that need having visibility as to what that locked cost is on January 1st for a
go but right now we're we're benefiting from a larger pool that has an over it doesn't really cost us anything councilman to do our own bids I mean we can do that doesn't commit us to having to follow that bid but if we want to do that see where we are you're closest to
it um well you guys spread that over five police everybody p Just Pure fuel delivery consumption rate we can we can do our own bid and we can then compare it to what we're what we would pay on the as
opposed to the county representing 70 towns or however many are are inclus included in their bur County Co-op it's 28 30 I don't know how many of the towns actually participate they're going to get a better rate than we are by ourselves against that definitely going
to all right so so Council we if your desire is and council's consensus is to do a bid we can certainly do a bid and we have another vehicle another vessel to explore What's the magnitude of effort not much I mean basically there's there's probably bid specs that I can
get that others have used and we'll have our qpa put it together and we just put it out bid we have electronic bid opening and we'll see what we get I'm going to bet that the county doesn't have all right so then is there the consensus
that will do that explor yeah I don't know how much money they will save but curious could be 100 Grand I don't know I don't know the denominator so you have to tell me is it a material denominator or by chasing a ghost with 20 gallons of fuel consumption so let's let's find out let's get some data some data together
we have to just go back and yeah get the data together offline the real question that was discussed here is yes looking so I've been looking at the past four years the people budget is always higher than
actuals because we're never able to fill any of these yes it builds the Surplus correct but it also taxes our our residents for something that they're not getting so the question becomes and and DPW director Cassidy you lead this
department and working with David do you believe that we need to add the two PE you know X people into this and Do You Believe by putting it in there you'll actually be able to fill
these spots that's the that's the Delta that I can't answer which leads me at point where I have to say no don't PL but with what we have like I said I just need support if we start to p on but that's that's where the difficulty
is that's there a crap shoot I'm not able to find Qualified people I've people that have had a CDL for two months have zero DPW experience zero outside work experience they walk in asking for 60 Grand so we're talking
about two separate issues here I'm I'm just saying there's not aoup out there because you're making a a body count argument he's answering with uh can I fund the positions to begin with because of the salary which it's not you're not talking about flexibility to grav so I'm
making up all the numbers bring out a higher step four people you know that's current salary is $100 that's $400 do we give the director $200 and say so what we can't do and again just for
fun I can't have an employee of mine say I don't know if I can do my job right that doesn't work obviously we hold our people accountable to the councilman's point DPW is very resident facing so
we give my my thinking would be some of the money versus the head counts I don't know how we have to do it here but yes I think that we should give you more money but again we do hold you accountable if you do a great job we can't tell our residents we can't find anyone that's you know sort of a cop out so if we need
to pay more for fewer people then maybe that's a better solution we have the ability to start people at higher rate can increase the tax rate so wait let Michael finish what it first of all it's where we spend the money just like we have a conversation
on $180,000 so we as a council need to decide this is resident facing I didn't say I'm raising at all I still feel very strongly it's not going to be anywhere more than the low fours which is significantly better you keep shaking
your head I know though I know the numbers Adam we is at 6 take it out his point is take from somewhere else so tight right now and this has been going on for years all right so let let's finish this one
discussion sus to be us okay I promise so Michael can you bring part of my week can you bring to Adam's question can you bring people in at a higher step than the colle boing agreement we're able to bring people in as high as step five you think you'll find people even
withone what is Step what what what's the number step five step five is around 60,000,000 we start up to 42 it used to be step now we went to step so you're you're offering you're offering everyone step five why not could that's fine nobody's
qualified it's coming in I have interviewed I'm gonna say conservatively 100 people since I started here so here's my and here's my question so what is step one 42 age 42,000 yeah so it's
like 12,000 more than working at Starbucks at $15 an hour what are the other towns what is our competition 572 towns that do this job every single day is everyone faced with the same problem
here they're having the same problem everybody that why that's the big issue the employee pool is very shallow we all grew up and and I'm I'm I'm I don't want to goad agism or anything like that we all grew up we
work through high school we work through college we all had a night part-time job some of us work two time two jobs to make ends meet the kids today don't have that it's a Dy Ruby Tuesdays baby actually one of my questions
boy i' like your opinion on this how do you feel about managing high school kids well I just did I just I just I not going to happen 20-y old and 18y old I want I have had calls from the high school yeah they they have to be 18
years old start DPW you're run running heavy equipment no I'm just talking about the simple stuff the clean yeah but everything is with heavy equipment there is no simple stuff what would matter the environmental commission the environmental Commission
has had some folks reach out to them just recently Keystone Club um they had the the high school environmental commission they're they're involved with the cing UPS already you know Street every day but if we could they are we could re if we could reenter
just for the C so the budget that's in your book uh has those four positions unfunded okay okay in this book has it un it's still I was so for a lot of them the the admin recommended is still well
higher than what actually happened right because because not so um so then then there's then I would say we don't need even more like we can't even get by hundreds of thousands we
can't even get what the yes but so all I'm saying is that the four positions that were talking about are already unfunded so if you want to put them back then then that's just increasing that's on top of their six and a half% COR
that's that's that's what I'm saying that that that these for positions are already out of the budget are there any open positions left are there any open positions uh what we what we've agreed to is he's going to have an additional Forman position open so that's going to get he's going to be
able to promote up to that and uh this or this would allow for the for the replacement of the parks direct so there's two open position so there's two two new people will be able to be two Lauren go ahead so uh do we have a
big enough budget for seasonal that if you did need to fill in I haven't had a seasonal application since 2020 back so Michael are there any tradeoffs to be made guys what are the time here any trade-offs to be made
between um a a uh a supervisor who's retiring and would you rather have you know two dl's instead of one supervisor I need for okay you can't that because if the form is not there I get do
it yeah we can't have that this sounds more complex I think we have to take this offline again there's a couple things that at least I'll speak myself surprise me so obviously the first one when you come in say I can't you know as long as
you guys Ure you tell the town that we can't do our job I'm good with this obviously I know you were I don't know it didn't help the situation that's a little bit of an overstate one but it's a reality it's a reality we don't want to be explain so
that's number one number two is we're never achieving so I'm looking at just one of your departments last year we under spent by 56,000 117,000 before that 47,000 before that
so to the point you said I can get a trillion dollars and you can't it doesn't matter so what I don't want to do is TA our residents and still not page one at a time D should we take this
off y because we're not Sol it here but it sounds like there still the machery just sounds all right Mike so we're gonna take this particular labor conversation more people deta is there anything else you want to talk about
not University training program that we could tap into that's that's the whole offline conversation anything else so before Mike leaves let me just say that what what we have proposed and what we have talked about um it's going
to allow him to fill the parks for in position uh it does it does not fund four vacant positions um and I think Mike is comfortable with that and what we will do uh you know that means that you know he stays at a current level um
if he really finds people that are qualified in quality people um you know we can have that discussion and perhaps we you know put that into a reserve somewhere or we talk about that but uh
you know where we are right now is that that's at the 6.7 uh Mike and I want to give him the give him a lot of platitudes he's probably right now the only department head that has come back with additional
cuts and and that's and I want to recognize that so he came yesterday with you know another $37,000 that we're going to utilize you know to to mitigate against that 6.7% increase so you know I I Mike is
doing a great job and uh you know uh I'm not recommending that we cut bodies for his department at all we're going to we're let him keep the current Staffing not let him but we we're funding the current Staffing that he has including the
anticipation of uh of uh two foremen uh that are going to be leaving uh that he'll be replacing no and I actually I would challenge I think he being too modest because I think our town H is better it is prettier it is cleaner so
with the resources that we have we're absolutely in a better place than we were when I started just put it in sount mean reglar it's it's we we're going to put forth a document that that will um let us provide the services to the residents without cutting so deeply that
we cut our nose off the SPF that's to use that okay so we'll make those adjustments um you know after the after the input from the council and and then the document that you'll get we'll take that into consideration and and at some point not today but I would like to
better understand why we have a very large High School population that looks to put a creative things on their college applications and resents that they can't participate in the events to clean things including what to clean things oh yeah sunyside Park on a
Saturday morning do something and we can call it something we can create a program that allows them to if it's if there's a if there's a process where would be purely litter picking not using any equipment then we could probably talk about the problem problem is once once you get into an
area where they would use equipment then then there's there there's then there's J issues um clean the brook actually yeah Michael anything else all right thank you for coming today
I a lot the school we driver labor contract backage we can't keep got problems sep are we yeah guys we're gonna take a five
minute break all right we're back in uh our public meeting we finished the discussion with uh the DPW director we now have the uh police chief here Chief thanks for coming over on Saturday
morning I had no choice and we're early so that means that wasn't much to talk about before this so Chief what's going on you have any questions for us what do you want to talk about uh you know something I obviously I submitted my my my proposal
I've had Communications with David Susan meeting I know that the burrow is in a pickle right now something with finances something so I I recommended um lots of bers everybody's in a pickle right yes no so the recommended Cuts I I don't think they were um
unreasonable um the obviously the one issue is always something know problematic in every jurisdiction keeps his call so obv car issue we talked about that and um how we could uh what our for this year uh with
the um the outside Duty jobs you know obviously the ordin going raising a little bit but that's going to get us some obviously some more Revenue coming in and we could probably most likely get a car or two based upon how well you know again this public service project
in town is doing very well um that's generating a lot of money the Public Service Gas replacement so that that's that's that has has a shelf life or something so there will be a drop in the future years but yeah as as each
month goes by we're closer to that being done yes correct correct and looks terrible something probably I would think I think it's about less than a year now we yeah so so from the from the the operating is other than the car issue um
you know and again we talked about uh not really any many concerns to me some of the things um there were that were listen in line um a little off like but but they're nominal I think I like in my line item there's there's a computer
supplies thing which is a line that's dead that I've never used in in the long time you put money in that um with $1600 doesn't need to be there that I I usually use through a different but my lines are probably not have the best description over the years this is probably from the former she also too I
tried to streamline them some of them kind of blend into one another uh but the computer are probably bought through the it support and and um uh we have money in there right now we have but this year under is spent
23.95 according to this well maybe you yeah just just Chief yes we kind of want to stay away from you know $2,300 on it $6 million we want to talk about you yeah chief chief you and David and
Susan can work out you want to move money from one line to another that's great you don't yeah big question again I so so I always try to keep things flat for you and I did some rearranging with the hopes of getting a
core in the line item and then the cor got cut so I'm a little bit lower but listen I've always showed you something I'm willing to work with you something and uh we have some challenges so I'll make it work something I I this is this I can live with this operating okay that's really important Lauren you have a question I didn't mean I didn't cut
you up John did I Lauren um just an overall view of we're put cameras in aot places we're upgrading that um system for the Nature Center and part of what is left in that
budget what do we need to have to get that up and money is there so it's just so the Nature Center is up and running C's up and running Rose's up and running the PD cameras tol one two that's all paid actually all the funding is
available the the cameras that up in town and sat down with the company something the vendor that's going to do them and right now we're just trying to find power sources because we were hoping that we could go off some of the the uh decorative Treet lamps but they have
I'm not an electrician here no but they have some kind of device that basically it's uh uh there that recognizes it's not just a straight power source there's something with sensing Darkness so it's not so simple and then also too having a
camera on top of the lights with a goose neck is probably the most aesthetic so but it's about a handful so but we are close to figuring out other places we're going to do that we may have go to one business and get the permission to possibly go on the side of the building and that's very common and place like
Anglewood camera discuss um so uh but that okay I just didn't know I didn't but I will say no so so the cameras some of the cameras they're funded something we're in the process of
putting them in but this this project um down skate skate park dog park you you really should find some money or for cameras down there also so so just to talk about I have a question about signs for a second so the new four-way stop sign at Highwood and J
yes right uh which is great people are finally kind of getting used to the new situation right yes oh we going to put up um do we have plans to put up you know the little lights you the lights around the signs people St I I think I talked I want to do that we actually have money in in a capital
from like two years ago I want to do that if you're going to do you have to for all four but I think we have the funds for that I would like to do that so you do you have it in the 24 budget or it's in this budget here I think it's it's in the capital line from like two three years ago so yes well I've got residents who ask because people notice
you still have a fair amount of people blowing through one set of stop signs so I do get friendly requests from residents about let's do the lit signs which is actually good because that means people are paying attention to it enough to suggest the reason there obviously
change people basically are accustomed to but Highwood is a very wide Road stop off to the right you need something that's kind of shin say Hey you know so I have a question for you about Highwood Avenue being a wide road because I was
kind of like wandering around one early morning and uh there was nobody on the road because it was like 6:00 a.m. and uh is is it possible because right now if you're going uh Northeast on Highwood right it's all parallel parking could
could we potentially make that put it at angle parking and double the number of parking spots on that side of the street one side one side to both sides yes because uh the Eastern side had a problem
probably you know where PNC Bank is that side of the street Street on highways as far as you can go as far north as you can go and no cost of the borrow right now now um andree your spots there
is some challenge for people pulling out of Ang spots bizar and I'm not recommending this give a drive through Broad Avenue and see the other way the time and and for I guess do approved that but
I'm assuming they did that because they had so many problems with accidents people backing out got go up and backing back weinor about is on Pont land a small jet on that yes correct so that's a possibility you want
to that also too actually I think it was B how many years ago really I don't no like like like 30 years ago like a long time ago do doesn't mean I'm okay but there
also too you come down they become they become L's going up lane and there as you come down the cars are two in can we make a
lane we actually split there's a couple different streets that do this I would does this I want make yeah like [Music] anyway that's exactly yeah definitely so all right
guys let's focus so listen uh folks uh it appears that the the ambulance Captain and the fire chief uh didn't look at their invites to for this morning so they're they're fla it down early they're FL it down they're now early I actually so let me let me just
finish so that we have we have time I think we need some more time with the chief right now so there's a couple things that I need to get into if you're done asking question I have one more question David that's you don't want go ahead one more question yeah that well uh and this is the big one that we had discussed actually in the open public
meeting was a position for mental health and I still feel what you found was good I just know that there is some true mental health issues in our community where people can't go on someone's property it's a problem but if we had
it's a up sorry so so Le we're finding um in an emergency situation we could take somebody to the hospital and again we we're still at New Bridge which I fully disagree with but in in some other buus who either a social worker or a
trained mental health position it would have to be a salary position but it would be a response um perfect example is in courtly woman was having a mental health issue the police came um she seemed like a
threat at the end of the day I don't even know what happened but she wind up dying and I think had a mental health professional been there in an intervention situation that's a bad example but yes I know what you're saying terrible examp a terrible example I don't know I putting blame anywhere by
way um because those are very hard situations my my request is that we actually take mental health series before you hear it and consider it doesn't have to be the police chief staff it could be the ambulance staff it could be the fire staff I want to add one someone on
correct well because because you give a 9 to-5 employee these things happen at 11:30 at night at 3 right no no I need that person as a resp what he discussed is the together so wisely very smartly he's
trying to cons consolidate the need between Town town that your numbers look bigger I would I would share this one particular one with I think let's say stick with what the chief is recommending see how it goes
for the year and then next year so the so the what was it called access arrive together arrive together so arrive Together part the problem is with arrive together is that the person gets taken from their home and brought to the hospital without not at all well
an intervention not necessarily I'm trying for the know they go and they try to right yeah the being institutionalized is the last
resort but that that's designed to try and offset and people basically to stay in their homes something and and Sol problem you also discuss training for your so so it's a combination it's
officers having CIP which is PR intervention training we have some I've told the captains but every time you see one the class uh uh enroll our guys but they be built very quickly so I can't just get the whole department train right but we are trying to get as many train as possible and that those
officers in conjunction with the mental health person that's responding um hopefully collectively will be able to so sheep is it is it possible that you have one or two officers that get this training so we don't have because right now what I want what I'm hearing is we
want to add a position to the budget and so so so so I'm going to try and have I'm going to try have 20 officers have train but but but they arve together the officer is not the absolute for this pitch for this plan program the officer is not
he's not a psychologist so if they arve together is that a cost or is that no no no it's actually it's part State part I think Grant okay no no it's free no so but I'll tell you who's arriving who's who's the person arrive together I think
basically is we're arriving with you know the mental health professional where do they come from things so the towns that actually have them you know something like you're supposed to visit your headquarters and spend time in a headqu and for a few hours here and
there but these incidents happen in something odd time so um there's three different things either they're with you and they respond with you there's a u a close in time basically you you've gone and you've dealt with the situation and they're going to come
and either at the end of the call or the hospital a follow plan of action and then there's two followup where basically they weren't available they day or two a week later but at least someone is putting a set of eyes on that person and not just
having institutional eyes and then we repeat of this two weeks three we and I like you getting the true help that you need that's the ideal pitch can we not manage this with resident volunteers with the right ACC well well so so I thought of
that I'm saying if you had if you had mental health professional like if you had psychiatrist intend wanted to volunteer to do this a lot of that we have to be willing to be called at 3 chief chief chief let me ask a question
so why why couldn't we have so why couldn't you have a group of people let's say there's five mental health professionals in who qualify to actually do this right and they're on call like a Rost except we don't ask them to be volunteers we pay them when they have to
show up we can absolutely make that request and see if anyone take that takes a I think we should I think we have 50 to 100 people again I me they they have credentials that that far you know surpass all of ours but they still would need to I guess certain level of training I guess to satisfy I guess what
the state wants uh and there would be some obviously some insurance I guess concerns but um that could definitely be you know obvious support I still want to go the together because that could fill in the gaps where they don't they don't they don't like the arrive together I just
again I just want to make sure at the same time we're de escalating as much as we can and we are not you're right everything you're saying is sh of the fire department and someone about ready to be committed
the's level that's inapproiate I'm open to any and all of these options I want our to be focused on this I think I think these cases are increased years I personal experience now with this um I know got suicidal
ideation all over town and some things so store like you know where people have access to things so good yeah so if there's if there's a consensus that we want to look at this
uh mental health scenario um the burrow does have $47,000 in our opioid funding so to the extent that some of the mental health issues are can be derived from addiction or addiction that leads to mental health issues you can probably legitimately use
uh that money or part pushing that that's settlement from the yes I mean it has to have some has to have some connection to to education on you know what you may want to consider doing having a conversation
with some of the senior people over at Anglewood Hospital tell them we'd like to put this this group together that could be on call that would get paid for the calls they come on that a professional in this field not do gooders people who
are who are certified could get us those May perfect with Dr shman exactly to put together that okay so um Chief what we also need to look at because there's going to be some Cuts coming to this Opera budget uh
that we're going to have to talk about with the council um so that could impact some of your civilian sta um so we're going to have to have that conversation so part of this is going to be and I you know we we talked last year um about
looking at County dispatch council members um the chief and the two captains and I went to visit the County Dispatch Center up in maok uh this week so we took a tour we had a meeting I've
had some conversations with the director in of the of the department in the county um from high level position position for a full year you would be able to take about a $450,000 cost and have those Services
provided by the county for about a$ 235,000 uh so you know we're talking about a a cost avoidance in in the budget for a full year of of $250,000 as we look at a two-year cycle
with the budget uh 25 26 you know we have a lot of issues with the 255 budget and you know I think we all can agree that continuing uh with the current Staffing level and contining with the expenses
that we currently have you know salary is going to go up health benefits have have gone up double double digits over the last four years um uh your pension contributions go up uh it it is most likely
unsustainable to keep dispatch on local level for an extended period of time at some point we need to plan for moving to County dispatch now if if that doesn't get support for whatever reason I know
that Chief wants to keep uh the dispatchers locally um the how to make up that $250,000 and I don't know that there's any pakers out there but we would need to then find revenue for an
example host other towns and make up that $250,000 mean revenue for the uh like we dispatch for other towns okay got it so yes Lauren we're looking at you know that's a $250,000 elimination of cost of foress
and that only grows as we move forward um now for and and put all the cards on the table it is not it is not U something that is going to greatly help the 2025 budget um the county lead time
to do all this be what was Chief seven months aggressively so if we were aggressive you could do it in six months you know so six months to to 10 months basically uh so we decided today that
we're going to do like plan for it you could potentially um have the impact on cost ofo for the last quarter of the year but what I would say to you is that if you didn't do that and grab that small amount of money to help 2025
budget we ought to have a policy discussion on if that's something that we're going to pursue because we should then plan for that to happen in 202 all right Lauren has a question um this is both of
you we had kept ten dispatchers um and for timing purposes that it was a faster response time and that was something that we had worked on improving here in ten many years like and police response time um the concern and maybe it's a
madeup concern that she you can help me here uh was that if it has to go to the county then it has to come back to tenly that we are losing pressure time on Strokes on heart attacks on car accidents on on Whatever It Is Well that that's how it's working right now so you do if there's any loss time the county
taking the call and then sending it back here to be dispatched is is time so if if you move dispatch to the count me you know they're just the call takers giving it to the dispatcher ass signed is handly and they're dispatching separate
911 911 right yeah yeah that I know so they're they're taking so they're taking the call I mean and and in this particular model you would have um uh for the most part a dedicated dispatcher for tenant LLY the issue that you're going to have is that you know you
you're going to share a Channel with some other smaller towns um but there shouldn't be any and and actually dispatching it shouldn't is there you know I me you could make that you could make that argument make that argument uh you know
there's a right now I mean or not I mean it's because right now 911 goes to the county then the county calls our local dispatcher so then 911 in County would send it to the dispatcher next to them at the county so true way about where they push the button from there's no
difference there's no the speed of light speed of electricity right it's instantaneous regardless of what time yeah so on the on so on the flip side of that right and and uh you know you do have long-term dispatchers and and part of that consequence is that
tenly has the highest paid Dispatchers in County no far theirs they've been here a number of years um a couple of them may be able to have a soft Landing one of them or two may they would all be so in this process they would be offered
jobs with the County dispatch um County dispatch salaries would probably be in line with one of them just putting it straight out y um you know a couple of the others may be in a position where they would have a soft landing and I
don't can't get into all of that right now in the public section and one of the models that we can look at is to keep uh one of the long-term dispatchers here and in an Administration role to uh to be available for records and whatnot
that would potentially if you did that then that would potentially replace the two part-time decisions that are over there if all that was into consideration um we trade them or anything else the dispatchers well the the issue Lauren
the question really is or the issue is that we're looking to find ways to on a structural level to start to reduce the project now it becomes a policy decision as to whether or not that is where you want to go um and
you know the chief is going to have his his comments and opinions and then you know we'll get the consensus of the council it's something that you know at the end of the day you want me to pursue and plan for or we want to defer for more years or that we don't want to do
it all so everything David's saying is is is the possib but uh I'm not in favor of it and I'm not in favor I'm not favor in my 32nd year I've only known work
dispatchers they are your employes directy them uh the county would not somebody else um they you know obviously their focus is on the T of flight Mission yes they indicated that you
share rency but no we wouldn't have a the P flight we would have a dispatch that sharing pwns so now you've divided divided attention and you also have a shared radius so right now something happens kind of flood dispatcher basically is um dispatching something
something he's communicating to the police officer back for um if if we were with let's say C Sy and uh they have a major thing going on we made we're waiting to communicate because we're sharing the same then this guy who's also dividing does that happen
often has to happen Chiefs um worst time other Chiefs do other towns do not it does it does other Chiefs will say hold on to you dispatches as long as you can because obviously we have full
control over it now we we don't you know something that you're out you're Outsourcing yeah also to you no longer have someone at the front desk now you have someone that comes in and hits a b there and someone M says how can I help you and then okay call police officer desk off the road um these are all
things that you know um I don't know if our residents will hisor dispatch really hand count smaller than us but there have been a couple that jumped on with with bigger populations but uh it us with smaller
counts when you do dispatch don't you also doesn't it open the aperture couldn't I tell you I mean again let's not guess on anything we can look at there's gazillions amount of data to say what is the the response in local
dispatch versus town it's 100 trillion towns I'm sure have transferred to K dispatch and you can compare their numbers before and after you know like we see the report every every morning and more times than not whenever there's
a situation we see the Anga has come Crill has come help Duman has come help before actually the tenly comes you have a lot of that data and basically and and the chief would agree you know this this conversation is
repetitive all throughout the state right and um you know the chief of whatever department is always going to want to keep the dispatches the the the the administrator going has has this problem that we need to reel in this ever increasing budget
and that's that's the problem but I would just I would correct just I would correct just one thing I hope it's not you that has it I hope you are empowering your department heads to say look we have a number to hit and I'll I'll make up the number if this batches
$100 I would always be going back to the department head to say look if this $100 is more important can we take a $100 out of somewhere else we find and and I would say globally globally with the budget right you know just looking at
what's ahead of us in 2026 and what we only in 2025 things that we don't decide to do or we don't want to do in 2025 likely he's gonna be back at this table again in 2026 I appreciate the way the chief said it he said everyone tells him
not to hold on to his Department he didn't say that he said his dispatchers he said as long as possible because right and again you know I have a just a like a question because I'm a little on clear so when I call up
911 I learned for a while ago that it goes to the count used to go we we paying Parise $7500 uh a year now we're paying the county not went to the county went so that that was some savings and went to
the county and that's and then I just asked very elementally when we're talking about what's a dispatcher the average judge in this town something is going wrong they're we're all calling 911 even if we
even if we forget even if someone told me like someone has told jul Conor it's quicker if you pull P I'm still calling 911 call so thank you so okay one at a time one at a time so my million dooll
question is really this who is calling the dispatch thing so so you have two different two different functions at the the the county P P stands for the Operation Center you have an A call ticket is a 911 operator and you give a
dispatch so the 911 operator can go straight to the pight dispatcher here and be in a three-way conversation with the president 911 the dispatcher and then are they're going to hand it off to the dispatcher who's assigned to tanify that day who's handling other towns and then they're going to dispatch the P
like ours so that's that that's how it would happen if if we didn't but but Chief the the director had indicated that that there would be two uh dispatchers hired that for ten F we went there they had a couple dispatchers and
it wasn't it wasn't wholesale that there wouldn't be anybody dedicated to tly specifically tenly yes it will absolutely not happen it will not happen I'm telling you right now and and they sold that to Chiefs and and it it's not true and and they can't but then to give
you that price they have to share right because because then then that was what was represented today said I get a clarification on that but that's no I know the body doesn't make sense it just doesn't make sense so I guess I
guess the question the question really for me and for the chief is this something that the council wants to plan for yes or no and if we do if you want us to plan for it are we are we look make this effective this year at the end
of the year uh and or plan for it in 2026 or defer that decision to Future years or not pursue it at all so so if we next optioning and shared servicing the smaller towns us well yeah that well
that's the other option but and and the chief sheep and I have talked about that as well go ahead so so some of the smaller towns the Alpine and the J which have half our population already with the county you know the other option is a town like Cresco but Cresco has their
own dispatch so so so so almost all the towns around this have their own dispatch with the exception of alpha Ang have their own dispatch cill burfield Juma the towns that have a higher call V we have a higher volume all some of these smaller towns
so you know presco would be have be willing to to do it also too and then and then to and then to have it provided by us so it's not that so right did talk to the Cresco Chief very you know something Broly I don't think they're interested I I I talked I
mentioned that I would I would have a conversation with him again yes that is an option um but but like a count of bfield or town like well Juma they're bigger than us they're goingon to want to Dr us right they have a different kind yeah and a different service I
think you know stealing out and letting that help us pay for be final I just keep going back to but I just keep going back to the statistics number that I think an brought up if are we seeing that when people go to this
that there is any delay in the response for not and if there is not County will tell you other towns one force professionals will tell you there is uh here's the thing also too you know our
dispatchers have an intimate knowledge of this town right they know basically locations in town that don't have street address or something you don't get that with the c and also to there's a very there's a high turnover rate with the Cs and so they pay at a lower rate they come in go a lot of aspiring police
officers so they come in they provide a function with bit and they off they go so I've heard something there are people that are now trying to learn your town on a frequent basis was always a learning term but but to me there's no substitute for someone basically your control is Bor employ who knows your
town who knows locations when they're basically Long street addresses and when they're also at col the ball so to speak when they're directing police officer Serv to uh or the ambulance with the fire remember too dispatching for those functions also too they know where they're going they know you know the
situation and um to me that they're better served actually to to um to communicate is there an offset that You' recommend so we know where what the the envelope is right is would you say
dispatch is the most important part of the police uh budget and therefore I could find $250,000 elsewhere I have a question wait wait what to me it's critically important all
you know I know but I mean to be fair all I knew 3,000 years ago is using an advocus right and all we knew 2,000 years ago is using buggy wipes but we have to get to a point where I mean again if this is the critical part you're the
professional right then I would keep it here and offset it somewhere else if this is the most critical part of the police at this juncture it is I'm not saying that the County dispatch is not going to improve as time goes on expand dis is the most important part of the that's the most important but but it's a
very important part not saying any more important it's they serve a critical function in the department communication communication is key you go to school you go to school kids are looking at your you know your
uniform something and you know we are most important tool gun hold the radio this is the most important in communication getting heav chme G one step ahead of situations so what would be the so again you don't have to answer
now I don't expect you to answer now I think something that you'd have to do with you have to do with David is I think and we could vote officially or unofficially we have to find these savings and this is one of the recommendations on the table if there is
a superior recommendation and you have the superior knowledge then we can do that and bring that forward and we'll stop buying a $250,000 trop out number but we we do have I think the council is saying that the price this cost will
only go up and at some point is just gonna We're Not Gonna even have a choice because there's not gonna be anything bigger in the budget so I think that's just something you have to work with David on finding that offset or transition I'm I'm willing to do that
laen I'm not sure how this works but we have PBA funds and we the association we usually buy a car punds so how much are we getting funds well I tell you it's funny mention so so so actually there's a capital there's a
capital um request I have is for for wireless microphones I want David this there there's a capital expend for for wireless microphones I don't know if you scratched it or not but I want to scratch because D I put in a letter to you the proc I have request proc Bu The
Wire microphones from the for funds so I'm using I think it was like $12,000 cost sign Christine had me sign it so so so I actually 10,000 something something so I do try to offset a lot of cost to the borrow listen I I have a cost coming up here for we hire some new new
officers right so I need new radios $45,000 in ra I'm going to go to for fund I'm not going to put that on so so I am trying something course now the for why an officer who is partially on Long Pro and he's doing a
great job Al and they cannot thank me enough about how Savvy this guy is and the arrest he's making and and there will be funds for forfeited funds coming our way but the prosecut is off this you know county level and it's this um I I I
have a lot of CHS have person now they're on loan DEA the ATF or HSI and they said you really should do this because when they're they're on loan they can actually bring in hundreds to thousands to mil of dollars the
bus and and and and the bir count State funds they're very strict on how the money is spent like me to buy a car they're going to say no to responsibility G so so David there's a potential for putting
someone on loan to an federal agencies a lot of O towns do this like daa yeah or or or actually I mean told that something like HSI now something and that that could be something that could really bring in a lot of Revenue and with the federal you know so we could probably even buy cars with that
you're something um obviously in my in my last interection we did that I think it was with the DEA and it was bringing in like um I think it was like 180,000 so so so that that's the start out obviously the ultimate goal is to
pay the salary and then some it all depends on what they're involved in but you have e they're in there longer you're the option to really open up that um you know the possibility of making a lot of money and I'd like to potentially do that in the future need the right person to do it so let's explore that we
lose our gu or do they work both you do but he gonna the salary and then buy equipment or something operating think they go for like a twoyear commitment maybe more but yes yes something has to that is a nice offset for the plan for you
just gone you you would have you would have one of your 37 funded positions dedicated to that correct he bring in money correct I have to get someone who actually that all right so the question they have to be built for that right the question
of this the dispatcher question that's been raised does the council want David to do more homework on this or drop the topic doesn't look like as David said that this is a possibility for this year no no we have to do the work we have to do the work is that yeah definitely I
have an additional question all right so on yeah this is just crazy question can we do it daytime versus nighttime um we keep so so yes you could have night time
you could have daytime where you keep two dispatches and yes yes so I want to talk more about them but I'm worried about talking about with rice notice right yeah we don't yeah if we get closer down that road then we'll have those conversations so let let's do
some more homework find out what the options are new Option table and I don't want to present this like we're at we're at odds we're pretty much on the same page it's just look our employees all right Lauren you had a question uh yes by the way I just want
to say I if the chief says this is critically important I will defer absolutely to the chief that this is forting but um second thing I want to talk about is additional crossing guard on nicer I know this is additional to the budget usually what 13 to
16,000 but there is crossing Gard missing we got kids running across nicker Bacher where what inter nicker and the streets Chief um I don't know it's in between it's in between the lights it's not we spoke
about this last time I don't know but we don't want anyone Crossing where there's no tra yes but they are right but they shouldn't be they shouldn't be all right one at time here it's
what the M HSA reached out to me oh no Nick or Jefferson Nick maybe there also one on Jefferson but Nick the K side over by crab tree down by I so please get the streets and then
speak to the chief about I say maybe someone or um that's school drive not drive school like the kids are going to M school that's not I will follow up I the
question is can do we have a all right one at a time the cheap is talking my 10 as Chief they came from the cross came from the traffic and all that so so obviously we want to profession safety and child student
safety is parano uh over the years we did locate that Crossings that where no one was crossing at that time or something and there are some not the best calculations but to do a vehicle versus pedestrian C dece to warranted and a and we removed I know one by your
house you weren't happy with we removed cautions where like one person for I'm not trying to diminish their safety but that's a lot of money for one person to cross the street usually it's it's it's s at least several so what you the place you're talking
about usually what we'll do is we'll do a study we'll look at and count which one we don't want anyone tipped off to P the numbers every well on nicob I have well they have to be instructed if they have to go to a light
like that should might give the instruction traffic traffic provide traffic signal provide the necessary break but and then there's there's a question ni and Christie which is in between the lights that that that that goes to the buff
Sunset down but but there was a request for Hickory but we told people just walk down kingridge the buff sunset go up that there is a there is a way to get to a I find out the location I'll find
exact location that okay but we have removed some years that maybe now new families have move to their homes and maybe if a new warrant we'll look at it it I'm not to waste waste to borrows money for Unnecessary well do on on um
nicob Baka Road do we want anyone we we don't want to encourage people to cross other than after the traffic light but I'm saying nobody should be Crossing unless they had a traffic light on Nic aaka with the exception of there are a couple Mark crosss there's one at the Country Club there's one at
at at Oak Avenue which is down by there's a mar cross with the signs but now people cross there and then there's there's a a school posing post at Christie in theak which has a cross our car is stopping the crossing guard oh oh I mean at the crossing guard spots
okay yeah let's find out that's it Chief any other questions right the outside Duty fees are going to get me not on your done all right any other comments quit Chief just just for
the capital and again I don't know what you're in the capital but just that portable radio microphone back slash that that's it withs 12 going to become 30 $600
operating all right Chief thank you I forgot to bring this up ni Country Club approached me on a a Crossing with flashing lights and they wanted us they want and I said would you be willing to partner with the town share Happ for us and again that was the authority they
said they would just I want just put that on your radar I don't know have a lot of close calls there so bad I'm tell you it is take your life in your own what what would be the cost of them so so I I I I
think so we have these flash flashing lights the on you push your button and and they they they work something so I I think $78,000 they would they would put up $3500 and the council would remember that
or Council D wasn't here the the nickar country club graciously gave us a u a golf cart last year to for recreation so they always help us out without a doubt so it may be you know the value of that
is probably greater than $8,000 right so you know might we get another one huh we can also get another one there you go all right Chief thank you usually the thank you Chief how you doing Chief how's
everybody you want to give us a a 30 second overview of everybody safe on on the fire that was here is everybody safe everybody safe except for the lady that was in there how is she doing I don't know if she's in the hospital still you know we don't hear about that too often and and we we've heard kind of
anecdotally that the three kids are with their grandfather or something like that I think that's where they went they just sent out I think it's doing pretty well how much have they raised they're still investigating
yes yeah yeah what's going on everybody in a good mood no actually good what do you want to tell us what do you want what's what's going on today what that your budget flapping down for next year I hope not you
know I was 6'4 we got a few issues with uh the pen so to speak but uh hopefully we can get get strain out a littleit anything that we get Fally for our fire department that's not the
Fally mean we get the assist fire PR yeah almost every year is it going to exist I as far as we know right now yes the current year the current year opportunity is open we apply for okay how you know the future is the
future right we don't know what the administration's going all right Chief why don't you give us the highlights what do you want to talk about uh I guess we'll talk about the operating budget if that's okay and it's just uh two items that are my concern is the uh I think some money was taken away from
Education and Training I think was almost like 45% of it and also another category was fire and other safety these are both pretty important categories for us um fire and safety or the uh excuse me the fire and
other safety equipment uh correct how much are no it's not it's $10,000 out sometime um and the Education and Training we were increasing that we've been trying
to increase it are forward to inrease so the the reason that is recommended for cut Chief is that last year you only used $185 out of 9,000 uh last year was a little different because usually what we try to keep training for is there
there's a very good conference or training in Indianapolis M and we try to go to that but ever since covid it kind of was very hard to do that the last few years and this year there was a few people like couldn't fit it into their
schedule and take take vacation days off so I mean the only year that would that would support the 9000 was uh 2023 he actually went over 9640 so is that is that a year that you went to that yeah so if we actually go to that it's we probably would have tried to raise the
9,000 okay are you are you planning to go to that yeah this year we probably well not this year but you need the money in 25 to go to 26 you got you got to make AR range but is the conference in 26 believe it or not it's in 26 but you actually have to
sign up for it in October and when do you to pay when you pay when do you pay it you got you got to pay pay for it in October in October so uh we may be able
to aboutou or voucher can they take a voucher then I still have cover funds what happens is when when they say it's open for registration like the registration goes pretty quick and if
you don't get it quickly you're make it bad but uh your air your hotel is at the airport you know what I'm saying yeah and all right so it sounds to me like we need to put the $4,000 back that would be requesting now is there any place
that you can offset that in in your budget so that 4,000 uh I looked at the budget I think uh you already took a couple things where I would have taken things out let's take a look though I can take a look I'm going to
say no looked at it already I'm only be the process they took money away from us this year you know but that's okay one thing CH that I think we're talking about and you've said it at each of the
sessions and councilman BR and I were talking about it is again it is a funny government's funny relative to you know my day job where when we budget for something and we don't spend it we just put the money right back in it's not that big of a deal whereas in government
when we budget for it we have to tax our residents including myself and my wife who yells at me for taxes um and Council R's wife yells at me um but we don't spend it and if we don't spend it we still have to tax our people right so we
were looking at we've been looking at each of the budgets and you know we missed you know we underspent which is a good thing by $25,000 last year in 2002 we missed by we s
$50,000 $9,000 so we definitely just want to make sure if we're under spending each year and we don't know why for each department if we could pull back a little bit it actually doesn't impact at all what we spend right because we
always have the money so I think that's what David's asking for which is again if we're going to spend it all that's great because then we're using taxpayer money if we put it in the budget our residents and then not spend it I feel doubly bad a I don't get to buy cool
stuff and two I sell the tax I understand that and I live in bing hasn't two years well no with that it's the categories that it's under right you
know what I'm saying we trust you guys to do yeah something you know so it's some of these categories were and we could always adjust the categories as well again it's not the council we don't we don't want to you know how to run your
department better than we do we never want to tell you how to it's just sort of within the envelope of what we have so whatever you and David decide we totally trust you both to do I mean I've said it for years like if you save money here you get penalized right you know so agree I think that's a bad way to
actually PL it but I understood what you just said but let me let me just say chief that that's not totally correct we don't just go and say you didn't spend it last year we're going to cut there's a reason like you just talked about the conference then you know bring that
forth and we'll make some other Maneuvers um one thing Council that that you need know is uh I was supposed to have a a meeting on Friday I think it was Friday or Thursday with the day of the fire whatever was U with uh with u a
few of the Chiefs command that are looking to make a case to increase the incentive which is the largest part of their budgets $141,000 we have allocated um so it it's from what I recall it's a very it's a significant increase um
they're supposed to come in and meet with Susan L on Monday but um and I've already told them that it's going to be an Aller budget budget I don't think that that increasing that is going to be in the cards for 2025 um but I I can bring that
information to the Council on the case that they make uh you know we are we are bound by the state statute that we can't provide an incentive that's any greater than 50% of the total budget uh for the fire department so that's that's
something that you can't go over you know unless they can't get unless I get direction otherwise that's basically going to be the message we're given to the Chief and I'll give Monday that we really can't increase this in 2025 and what I also do with my budget is say we have a bad year for like
maintenance on fire trucks I'm kind of anal I don't want to go over the main budget you know so therefore we pull back on certain items for that year and so that's why some of the categories are actually a little less than they they would be like this
year we got we got hammered with the maintenance on the uh on the fire trucks but we it was a fire truck that was 23 years old so it was trying to really have it looked at and gone over pretty well so where did you send the vehicle uh we sent it right back to the dealer
this time because it's you know they know certain things with the truck that other guys when you say the dealer you mean you manufacturer noer does the county what does the county just have to look we deal with the county so most of our
stuff goes to the county under under their contract and we also was it firefighter one where did you take this Dru uh this one went to Fire and safety yeah so we did we actually did a bid process then um because this needed to go there so they responded and we have a
we have a u sort of an open-end contract for a twoyear period but and if the chief needs to utilize that versus County different question Chief is there such a thing as a fire hybrid on it for review that we make
sure that they're like how often do we check them well the water company is supposed to check them and maintain them you know in fact I don't know if you s inly they got a new truck but it test
the hydrant but they don't waste the I think it started on the west side yeah I think it's someone who they they want some type of award for so they do check the hydrant we don't really I mean except for making sure there's no snow we really don't check them it's not
our you know we use one we call the water company they come and check it um I know you guys pay or we do you know um a lot of money for hydrants I mean that would be I mean how would you do that I don't know can we call them in council's offering to go
around and turn each one onic a little exercise right I'm sorry is the question we want to know from the water company how often they check the hydrants just want them all checked I want to actually check them but but the question
be when did they last check them and how often do they check them can they give us for that right okay I mean there's a map the water company has of where all their hydrants are tly um that's not physically going to do the
hydrants are they owned by the water company or tly uh the Water company and we just pay for the water rent them basically we pay for the water that's send them uh yeah but you don't really pay for the water I mean you do but there's no like meter on it or anything
like that so if we open a hydrant we use the water right but you know I don't even think they know how much water we use so right got it but the hydrants are owned and the and the plumbing I mean and and the lines are owned by the water company
maintained by the water company well like I guess the question was do they actually we'll find out ask and I think they do ask them to produce some evidence is there any ability you know I know the police raise their own funds I
know the firemen put out the fire Association letters to our residents what are those funds being used for right now and they offset any uh I'm going to say no because we really don't get that much and it's more for I'm not going to say social but when we
have meetings food and stuff like that so well so I know this is a really Nicky but there's like a $4,000 food budget here right which might making the difference of the fire another safety missing $4,000 right right but there's a lot of town events that we have to go to
now you know what I'm saying so so we have to take care of the guys that I mean they're there for like the other night we were there for like all day almost you with start at 10 you know 11 I'm not
trying to reduce like right well it probably would just to let you know it probably keep them fed we could go over the other 4,000 that well I just want to explain it a little bit guys guys guys guys I just want to explain the 4,000 that is other
fire safety equipment you know that's very important to us and we have a budget for maintaining equipment so sometimes if we can repair a piece of equipment that's the way we go sometimes we can't so certain years we don't buy
as much as other years I mean if you look at it the one year was 18,000 you know the next year was 13,000 so we do use that line item so it is pretty important that one you know that one line item so it's in the range I would just have
you work with David yeah I mean it's it's not critical but it is for us because I mean it's 35% of you know the account so I have to say I don't think we' never SE no buying something we need for fire and we just might have to find a new Reserve or something else went over I know you could probably find it
but it's a lot easier if we want have to look for it so to speak been here a few times it's very easy to see it sometimes anything else we're good what uh I don't know if you want to go
over Capital if you guys today or yeah we should look at the capital with the car the sil packs we still getting gr for that before we go to the capital I just have something to speak about the uh we put it in every year and it we
used to I think it might even be an ordinance or not but we use the DPW workers yes to respond during the day that guy dropped I don't know why people stopped coming maybe it was management at the time we
don't want to go that far back but maybe that's what of was a conflict of personalities um I would really like to get that going again it would help the fireo immensely during the day yeah it's going to be a tricky one g to be a tricky one they're tight they're super
tight um those the part of for saying so I mean if one or two guys come you know saying you're wrong but at the same time you're following the preceding conversation tight it is it's not just tight it's not optionally and electively tight it's tight due to availability of
qualified resource right so it's almost in you're 100% it's a fair ask you can't solve one of the things that you were asking about teenagers we have ridiculously awesome Junior firefighter program that no one sets up for do it so
we need to get it in the high school that like 17 and 18 can be trained fighter yeah I mean that's what we doing already I that is like an amazing thing to put on yeah honestly we've been funding that we need
to get hum in the problem with the DBW is they don't have enough men is that what it is all right just start all right Chief I don't know the point was but we
do have a junior firefighter program already and they start it starts at 14 and goes all the yeah I mean we do but sometimes after you know when they go to college it's no no it's good it's we've actually got a couple of
full-time so you get one yeah I mean we try to you know what's the training involved like how many out like what's well you can only do certain things between 14 and 16 and then 16 seen in of the child I'm
saying how many days week is the training program I think it's only it's certain days but it's more once a month once a month but then if we if something else is going on then we bring them in all
right yeah I mean we we got a pretty good program but and no one goes to fire is a little bit easier actually right let's get guys let's get back to Capital chief on your on your Capital i' uh I recommended move
approving all the capital so if there's anything you want to highlight or explain or the council has questions about oh that's good for me I don't want to oversell the cloth go the opposite way you know the public know what what we are
getting well that stuff was necessary but the only thing I might be able to pick out on Capital if you want to leave it in or take it out I'm working with the Els to maybe get that hose roller or I don't know how I ordered it in there yeah $7,000 roller with the eles that
they might donate it that'd be great I know one very so Chief if you know that by like March 17th we could take it out she said it was in there but you know how that works if if not what I would suggest is
that we would leave it in and if the Elks are donate great you can then cancel that right they also say we might have to add something to it so we can't add we can only subtract no no not to the S like they might do six or
something oh okay donations welcome and that was called a hose what I think roller just let you know I don't know if you ever seen the Big Five in hose we had you know what happens is once you use it
water gets in there and air gets in there so if you don't get all the water and air out it doesn't pack well it doesn't pack well and tends to fall off to well well that's very nice that's very nice of the Elks yes great yeah they've done a couple of things for us that's great awes you know this year the
clan bake everyone I'm going to plug it every once you go to the Alex Clan bake food is unbelievable really is unbelievable thank you Chief thank you apprciate [Music] your your team does no problem have a good day weend
all right capital budget I wna have I wna have them come Tuesday night yes yeah everyone have the latest version yes
my I can't see this at allil at 651 yesterday paper if you want take a five minute break everybody on your all right guys who Su who's walking us through
this David or yeah all right guys we're back on now all right we're gonna start with capital from the top all right okay you guys ready go ahead we're going through the C all
right so the equipment vehicles uh the Porton portable Ram kit is recommended for Public Works uh the articulated loader attachments uh is is also recommended for Public Works um the uh frontend loader is going to be deferred
to 2026 request uh and M mik Cassidy is on board with that the charges for electric responders what is that that's for the that's for tbac so I think it's the Chargers for their
pagers I think that's what it is it's such an odd thing to be there yeah uh JP's gonna come in Tuesday night at six so we can ask the the TAC stuff with him but on that note uh councilman uh you know I think with the TAC we really need
to really dig in because I you know they have a $30,000 expense here for three radios you know what is the ne what is the necessity for three more radios how many have $10,000 radio you know we get that in the grant that would be like
Grant possibly yeah yeah I mean those things usually are are right I mean right now in that's recommended but just going back up so we don't lose this so computer equipment monitors Hardware that's um that's not going in the bond right
that's that's funny it's in this line which line it yeah so it's 17 this is for the which line are you in 175
that now this is this is stuff uh that we're using to upgrade uh the computer equipment and the fiber and so forth uh in the project with going to County it to um get get back to Microsoft but that's not that's not let
me clarify that's not new debt that's inappropriate that's in a reappropriation so which number is that 175 right so so I'm trying to so help me understand so that's computer equipment okay keep going wait wait wait wait wait
Sor what does itan so what I don't [Music] understand no they recommended for is not correct no no the 185 is the 7500 the five and the six and the
175 we unless so why so what is the $175,000 buying us that's buying US computer upgrades uh some virus software Microsoft 365 what do we pay for
computer for a computer yeah monitor if we're in a shared service again who qualifies for the Le get the money well we would share it
on so some of this would be covered by the lead got us the list is very comprehensive yes but so does the 175 them no would still you still have to have the appropriation available that what Dan's talking about is it would be
reible so the 175 would be again that new debt that's in the reappropriation ENT and then as the leprint dollars come in then you know would go towards paying down that right that's yeah we pay back the
the go towards the capital we'll pay down debt with right then the computer server is um basically uh for separating our phone system from the school's phone system and that was the most economical
way to proceed we did get uh pricing so the comparable pricing for moving to a phone system with the county was I think 66,000 how many phones do we have in bar Hall so all the phones right now M are
owned by us so it's we're not paying by phone right now okay um if we were to get a new phone system that would be a great question because we get a limitated number of phones but I would and and David and I have spoken about cellones not cell you can't do that but you can do it through your computer so
you need is a $15 headset right yeah so we're not buying phones right okay just so if look at the the 270 and the 180 right both of these well that's actually below no 270 we talking we're just we're just different
thing so so the public safety F so this completes the fiber needs basically barel wide um uh for what we're proposing so the public safety fiber um is necessary uh to upgrade the fiber
that we have and to connect the fiber back to bur Hall um and it's fiber that we would own the current fiber that is that that is currently with school is at the end of its life what is fiber do for us gives you gives you your connection
your one your one gay connection to all the to the internet and so forth so so for 270,000 thece and with Public Safety it's radio towers the radio towers and all that okay so you
upgrading and like if you switch but why don't we switch to like if we wanted to switch count fber and 18,000 years what you say was well the the connection service so this this is our this would be our own fiber so the County's fiber
is already here for for $150 a month so that so so I'm not sure so the 270,000 we get what what shows up on what is Amazon bring here in boxes that is useful to us it's on the telephone PS it's fiber on it's the actual fiber
that's going to this fiber between that between the 270 180 is the fiber to bring public Wi-Fi to the parks connect up to D it's backbone it's the the highway for so how is it working now right now it's all going through the school got it but
the school is going to need to replace their fiber and then they're going to want us to share in that c okay okay so now this fiber comes with a 25-year warranty um but we're not asking for new debt but if we were going to issue debt for it it would be financed over 15
years can we do as a bom is that this is beap M money that we already have for original yes yes so it's yeah so it's re appropriating funds we're not incurring new debt for either one why is it in this budget here because ask go on the capital plan this is the capital plan
yeah I know but why do we have it in the total number it's not it's a separate number okay so it's not going to the 6.7 no this this is capital now yeah right yeah so what affects the 6.7 is the down payment we'll get to that okay
18,000 in the capital bu right that's the runway correct corre thank you thank you that's the question I have 8,000 no 270,000 is being reappropriated 27 but 270 is yeah 185 would be in the botom correct oh for this line yeah we're
talking about a different line yeah all right so uh so public so the public Wi-Fi for uh quarks in downtown uh so the requested was
365 and uh we're recommending 350 so wait hold on minute so why so question why why is the fiber for Parks different than the public safety fiber this is the this is the Wi-Fi so they have to bring the Wi-Fi access points to the park and then
have a different number of them in each of these locations 2026 so hold on so in order to bring Wi-Fi to the parks it's 180 plus 350 it's $550,000 yes yeah that's a no no no hold
on no the Wi-Fi is just the the 350 the other is is the back okay so let me ask the question a different way can we have the public Wi-Fi for parks in downtown without the fiber for Parks no okay so in other words they both have to be done together
in order for either one to useful but you know so if you go to my memo that I sent this morning it you what parts would be covered um and you would set the stage to add Parts if you want but in this it's the third power down this covers downtown including Washington
Street and I par what are we using this what are we using this so let me let me speak to so this is something that uh the chamber spoking about downtown um this number not sure the
exact number where we should do it the most um the initial thought um was when we do Street pairs when people hang out and work in hiler our aspiration to turn the space between
hiler and uh Angeli into more other stuff they need you know people need Wii for their computers or when there's when there's streets ET ET like for the bu
transact that's that's that's a small piece of this 360 the question become was should we do it in the other Parks as well so we could decide as a team we don't want to do any of this is fine we could do some of this or we could do all
of but have we have we tried to call like Optimum who supplies provides for most of our town and say and then they have signs and they say you know provided by
Optima I feel like we should I don't think so I've spok to other folks it's all for fee like I don't know what the right fee is but I don't know great I've never once y struggled or
Verizon or at even a world I don't think that we need to use lighting we need Wi-Fi when every two three awes you know why you're not you don't need it because you're freaking using this tow this bur H wi second I
had an option I could have gone my own the whole I think early on some of it I look I like the concept but we haven't developed our pedestrian way and maybe as we develop that as part of the project I'm just saying for of it that
hasn't been already budgeted and bonded maybe we then put it together as part of our bid out for okay we're going to now do theer you know Angel pedestrian way including in the bid isang I I'm asking a question of the person
who's closest to this there's a reason that we need something we need something let's talk about qu take it back one step the public safety fiber is obviously for Public Safety what does that mean emergency that's that's making sure your
connection from the nicera country club that has their radio tower and so forth and The JCC and it's coming not dollar terms of the project so tol the F the school used to have yes because
right now that was terminating at Stillman school and Smith School correct so then from there you your fiber backbone would go you know from from the Smith School uh past Davis Johnson Park down tenly road to the B Hall that's the
public safety bucket yes okay well some of some of that's going to be some costs that are in the these other numbers I want have to break from Parks line yes so and then and then from Stillman school goes all the way down
tenly and you know um what I recommended is Sun side park and warut park would be added with wifi in lat years like you want to put in the backbone fiber first yeah the backbone fiber would have to go like we wouldn't put the backbone fiber into onto wut street but that's part of
the 180,000 I mean that's part of the 270 Public Safety some of it that's a public safety fiber some of it and some has some is part of the so then David I think it was John's
question out of that 350 I know now I'm jumping past what Dan was talking about but the what out of the 350 must must be done because I don't know that so let me let me bring that so let me bring it back on
Tuesday so but I guess let me get some Direction right is there is there support to do this not to do itone yes okay is there any wait what does backbone mean act the 270,000
and okay so I don't understand I'm not I'm not that smart right so when I need Wi-Fi I'm willing to pay nothing and I get it off my phone no why am I spending 180,000 to do the same exact thing and by the way I'll never use public Wi-Fi I always use my phone like what is it's
the 180 the 180 is f that you mean you're saying a 350 right well no the 180 other words why do we need it where do we think that the where do you think that this wi-fi would be used that's another that's another question that guy I genuinely don't
think no I'm not even allow challeng with this that's I think we're going to get that David it's training number one and regulated never go
on residential use not commercial I me see I won't even use just to continue on that I won't use the Wi-Fi in this building because it's effectively with Wi-Fi I I'm sitting here I use my my uh Hotpot no no real appetite on the
majority but I still won't use it we don't be right because it's going through another organization when in so so there's no interest take it out yes wait Lauren has a question okay
Lauren has a question um either don't sorry I can't see these numbers do we pull back on anything that we've already budgeted in the past and bonded for not no no this isn't this is this do we need so what do
we need fiber for the parks there's no ever for well you're so what I have to come back to you with is the actual root of fiber that we need to make sure that the the JC and the country club stay connected and that's in the 270 right yeah and then and then no that's 18 and
then I'm G to get this clarified for you for Tuesday I have it but I don't have it off the top of my hand and then the other thing that is that is critical here is that you need to have the fiber run from Burl Hall to DW so you said that's that's
a JCC B Hall and what was that so why why are we I don't understand why are we paying for private institutions their their Wi-Fi connection no no no it's not for that no no no it's for it's for it's for our radio towers oh for our radio
towers on it's not benefiting them so you know how far you from the home yeah well so the critical thing would beay for lunch and not I'll come back to you with the actual what is absolutely necessary for
the backbone correct that for you and uh what is critical in all this really as you get down to it is going to be those connections that that we continue with it from the country public JCC and the root that will take and then um the the
fiber that is necessary between Burl Hall and DPW so that might be some savings definely forgive me because I'm not particularly right fiber true it's confirmed
like the fiber between here and DPW what does that actually mean know where the DPW so they need to be able to communicate with us yes right so their phones their computers everything would work well on this fiber on this network on this network why is
it so expensive which is a public utility or no I mean like this is believe me I can call my house right now right yeah that's this is this is something that you absolutely need to then to protect our Network so if you go from the other sources than you're
outside of the network so this is that so this is like a VPN yeah yeah this is this would be a critical need for that let me let me let me so the consensus is not to public Wi-Fi a we're not going to do the public
Wi-Fi I'll come back with you take that out and then present to you what is is Curr needed a infrastructure upgrade we should we should be able to take out the 350 and then that's actually the only thing that's in this budget the 270 and
the 180 is already in existing so it just we make full less of it but it doesn't wait minute a second just because we're pulling it from another ordinance is not the justification for why we're spending it saying we spend we can spend less of
it 180 for the backbone upgrade yes and you going to use less of that because we're cutting that's what I'm I'm yes 350 yes and the 350 is gone because that was tied to yes okay and I would I would
think if we take the 350 out which is sounds like we're doing we don't look for a place to edit back in that sounds right right this is but I will just for fun I will say just to get a rise out of everybody
again we do want to make sure that we're investing in the town agre this now we're under two under $3 million is a good number we were at like four and a half last year however I will tell you zero and actually I would even tell you a million dollars is actually as wrong
as $5 million because if we don't invest in town every single year we're going to end up paying GRE amount have terrible roads and pay greous amount roads because people before us thought it was smart not to raise taxes at all don't disagree actually don't disagree with
all and it didn't create any challenges my question for you is I got say differently can we can we set a mark which is a reasonable expectation to spend for improvements and if we take let's call it 350,000 out here put it toward something else or is it or is it
encumbered for specific purposes you would State you would State the purks you this could go to more tennis courts this go
to I don't disagree with you at all philosophically but for Bible it's a hard one no no no I agree I think the real thing is you know we have another year and again I'd love for you to lead the charge on this I still don't feel comfortable I ask the same question every single month there is a right
number and it's some optimal curve of interest rates and our debt declining and our buying more debt when is the right I wish I wish we had a a more scientific number on what is the optimal amount
ofal yeah so Wii down fairb administrator for a nonprofit that [Music] [Music] all right what's next so let's go down the rest of the capital guys let's go
down the rest of the list so just going in quickly I mean if you have why don't we do it this way if you have questions I'll bring it up or lock system for public works yeah that's for their that's for
their building so they can have thobs to go in every door Sewer Department truck yeah that that the sewer department truck and the and the upfit for that are taken out because they're going to get the old it
um the biggest things here we talk about 253,000 I knowu that's out right and 350 trck no the 350 is in so yeah Mike asked for three U large vehicles that were high high cost and we reduced that to
the one the 350 for the street sweeper and how old are street sweepers uh I think the street sweeper was are like [Music] 2008 and they're not working it needs to be replaced basically you're yeah it's shot it's
done priori yeah it's not a scenario it's not a scenario where they just wanted new because they want new it's had a scenario we were just replacing every 10 years but again I'm trying to extend that life I think that life's already been extended but I'll get you more
information on it by keep going down the list all right so then parks and Fields next so these are the very large projects to me this is always cering my B so so let me if I can talk
for a moment about the little Le so the Little League uh we would appropriate another of $425,000 out of the open space funds we've already appropriated 200,000 we are going to be getting so
rather of this 425 we're going to be getting grants back one is 67,000 from the L and the other is 19,000 in change from uh County open space uh so that reduces the 425 but you still have to
appropriate it but you'll get reimbursed for that 60 and what 67 67 200,000 question is The Snack shot like shed part of this as well there are some serious problems not the bathroom with
what snackshot that's what Snack shot that's all that that's one of their chares one of the things they're working on and the sewage back stop so like the food situation is a problem like that's a
something we should look at it's their tax 425 so are we leaving folks are we leaving the 425 in coming out of open space I'm okay with that okay okay so let's keep moving all right so next is uh uh
walnart Park oh $50,000 for Walnut Park for the inclusive playground equipment I'm gonna say again I very much would like to create this and if there is a request yeah right but I would like Freddy don't kill
me I would like so that splash park water park again I'd like to raise this to 60 and put in bathroom at least bathroom in there is going to cost close to $200,000 did we did we get that no but I'm just that's what it's going to cost because
we built the Snack Shack over at the um mun field with volunteers and it cost $125,000 so that was 15 years ago so just knowing construction course the bathroom there okay so maybe that's something we look for a community block
R in future that would be great yeah yeah although although CBG will only pay for a bathroom if it's already existing building and you're taking architectural barer out so yeah we take we look at a new we look at a different brand Source I think right yeah from just but again
we're doing inclusive and I want Ada and it would be yes yeah we just look for different used for the snackshop with the the bathrooms the what you just said about bathroom the architectural barrier
yeah as long as well you can't if you're going to knock the building down that hasn't been that hasn't been determined so but yeah if if it's a if it's a building that's going to stay and we're going to keep it and it's an architectural barrier yes you could
apply for cdbg FS they so now your next one is about sign if it's even around right electric signs so is that so we're talking about the on the corner so we're replacing the one that's here now because there's been some problems with
it replacing that with a new sort of at the end of its life cycle yeah I think it's like at least a decade old giv so no it's so it's a replacement sign there and then putting a sign putting a sign at uh East Clinton East Clinton and
Route 9W uh can we can we defer this to another year that's ,000 that's not but what one Des sign $70,000 out of open space I don't want to put are
parks and re how how the fiber how was the fiber orun all open open was that old the old I don't
know have money reation okay are we talking about we talking about the same thing right now yes yeah yeah we could probably do that you sneak well we're going to be reappropriate it so you're going to cancel some of the things we have and we can write it so if that's what we want
to write into that yes so we can so we can move it fromp thei next all right so the next thing is the
question everyone everyone here is find open sign ordinance because we cut back on F yes the signs are and that includes electric for the one out of9 W so the 70 will come from a reappropriate
350 put it this way so before we get to the pool which is going to be another long discussion um everybody everybody okay I just again I feel like the 9W one is completely useless you make that turn very fast into 10 FL you
are not going to stop to read an electric sign just before we move on I just want to talk about it's an actual question I I think the majority of people around the table want to do this though it's been talking about for a while actually I have a question about
it's a question so because I know the sign lay out pretty well downtown so where our electric sign is currently we don't have other Billboards on that side of the street we have just
that sign but we decided uhhuh we decided uh about six months ago that we did not want to limit the amount of billboard type of ass signs at the corner of East Clinton
and 9W because we didn't want to limit speech yeah if we're putting in this electronic billboard there I guess my we currently don't have any place where there's an electronic billboard then surrounded by a whole bunch of signs so
I just I would want everyone to think it through because I I granted I don't really come in from W much I'm always coming in from the other way is and we don't want to limit the amount of billboards that people put there is that a good spot for an electric electronic
billboard just asking you know what asked another way I'm gonna ask that question in another way because we're get getting off track here but I'm just throwing it out if we put an electric sign there okay that's strictly for burrow business and burrow events right
perhaps we don't allow any other the sign to go there ever well that I don't know how comfortable everyone is okay first we all know in elections very difficult to get your name out we have very few places we allowed to second of all most of the people passing that intersection are not coming to tenly
they are bypassing tenly which means that the people within tenly have to downtown sign um the the portion of people who pass that sign on East Clinton to make the turn into tenderly are significantly less than our downtown SI
so again I pass that sign five times a week and I pass it one in town once every other week who would be someone not about individuals how cool is it to have someone from someone up north someone
down south there all right let's let's stay focused one at a time guys one at a time all right so are we good with this electronic sign with everyone yeah okay
oh so the next the next subject the next subject is are we keeping this in we keeping the sign in yes their appropriation all right so I'm a no vote on that sry okay I'm clear go ahead all right so the next subject is um volleyball court at newb Street Park
I'd like a meeting personally oneon-one with the person that suggest b and a net are 150,000 like it's goldplated own property with a volleyball you probably you probably
have it on your cell wait hold on one okay one at a time Julie and Jamie all right guys you want to join this meeting just I don't want to waste any time everybody talking right
may I know the The Grove Street Park plan very intimately for a long long time where where is this volleyball court coming from because this is the there is additional space allowed
for something that residents uh facing there is space there so we were trying to brainstorm ideas of things that the town likes and they do and volleyball is something that I think a lot of the community would appreciate
volley have it so Jamie the reason I would be a no on this is because I think the the plan of grow Street was to lay out what we are going to have there and then see how it grows um in a manner
that we we can see where the needs are and how its use is actually happening we haven't even cut a ribbon and we're going to need to see how it's being used uh we have our gardeners we have uh the
skateboarders and we have all the dog park people and I'm not I'm I'm hesitant to fill up every space of this until I see um how how it goes like I think this is a year two discussion to see like how
it's being utilized no I mean like it's not a sand PT it's like a regular volleyball court like a regular volleyball not a sand volleyball I don't know it's not s it's a it's a court you'll be next laen when they went on vacation the like
half the hotel was playing volleyball I think I Lauren go ahead Lauren one at a time I love the idea of adding on sport one of the things we were doing we're trying to add additional sport options but if we're not going to open the municipal pool
this might not be the right space for so I think the pool decision has to come first and then also I'm okay creating a volleyball court are there alternative options Le the high school right and go and play volleyball so you know it's not
a yeah I think pool and it's going to be all like fenced and not attractive yeah I don't think that's I think the issue with the volleyball court is where should the volleyball court go as opposed to whether we should sure volleyball Court's a great idea the
question is where should It Go what jul let's let's demonstrate success first and then identify the appropriate wrong but for right now get the thing open get it open let's see how the gardeners are using it can we is
there an alternative space in town that we can convert to volleyball to well I would say over the next over the next two or three weeks everyone should put their heads to that question about where the best space for that would be
back temporary fix like immediate fix tomor put it in thect oh no no no we're not doing that you know David's got some ideas over here Jamie Jamie Jamie David's got some ideas also
where it can go take a look at Commons and see if we can fit it fit it by the out it doesn't have to be done at this budget no so let's just for now leave this we're not voting today let's leave the number in there let D David do some homework about options whether this
number is realistic or not okay and then options for locations and we'll revisit it I I would think You' take the number out I just no I mean just for the purpose of this meeting meeting it doesn't matter whether we take it out or not here it's a big question mark we're going to come back and discuss it again
that's my comment right to make sure this number is realistic if it's because if it's if it's $500,000 it's coming out right so it's a Continuum and then if David can't come up with a location that makes sense you know that's all I'm
saying let's we needs more homework that's all all right no decisions have made about that you know the the grocery Park we got a map like this is this got yeah there was a to survey
yeah I try to like move skate park and connect the other park next to it the right just for the forover we get the whole yeah so we have a too we did a too on the only on that area for the
I also look as to look into mini golf in that space too that okay all right let's that's a separate discussion voice Scout projects but yeah it's great ideas yeah I would help build a mini golf Corps myself and I have all the tools of them so I think the final thing is we really
got to come to a a consensus on what we're doing with the pool all right is everybody good with the pool as have a few minutes ago I think we're cons we're up to $28,800 keeps going up it just keeps going up
we're do it how our reach was 200,000 was the goal we hit it we're at 28 if we promise the public if we hit our goal we have to open oh we're we're in we're all in it's all good so the question is 3:30 is it coming from where is it coming
from all right can you can you clarify why it is 330 so the original 15 was for the original right right so so the the operating budget for the pool was was projected by Paul Lurch in his report at
$350,000 so 200,000 was from memberships and 150,000 was from the burrow whether that's the operating budget or some other fund or some other fund so the 180 was based on the number that
I had in actual cash in hand of 173 so that was where the shortfall was 173 or 163 I don't understand that part what do you mean that the 180 was cash in hand raised money originally originally there
was a shortfall from the 200 oh go right so the 180 probably will go back down to the 150 maybe and maybe be less so more if we're at 28,000 the shortfall is now 142,000 not even 150 and how confident are we in that 200 in so of that of that
of that 208,000 no so no so of that 208,000 78755 has been paid to the borrow the rest are the the the programs whatever the Boy Scouts or whoever is right habad
okay where we sign we're working on contracts all that good stuff and the money that's been received is money that's collected yes yes and where does that money currently sit it's sitting in the recreation trust and is that a money earned interest yes 4% um we're getting more than 4% right
now it's like .67 no no we're not we're not wait wait time out what no these are these are this is memberships that people have signed up for the pool and we're giving reies so
Reis would use the pool and to that point that's a cost avoidance from previous years until P $20,000 right so the so if you really want to think about it in terms of that 150,000 oper ating we would have spent 20 of it so we're
kicking in 130 minus the extra 8,000 we have we're down to 122,000 I guess the poison pill of this all is it was $150,000 to proverbially keep the lights on to
let anybody walk in because the previous pool administration had it didit fell work so now it's 150,000 was open space bar none okay okay and now the real question is is this additional
150,000 which is um possibly going down yes uh is this something out of open space or out of yeah so how much is it per year to what are the operating expenses 350,000
a year to run the pool all in with staff that's based on a on on a study that Paul lch did and here's a ridiculous question but are we going back Pon water that is a ridiculous question yes but they paid
water less so they used to pay water we're going to do that but that that ask is not included in these numbers we're assuming we get nothing attorney can answer that there's an issue with that so we may not be able to get so my my head is that is this is that since
150,000 from open space was already taken and it literally was you know five minutes ago type of thing it wasn't like it was years and years ago um then I am more comfortable with another 150
possibly less coming out of operating considering we also just saved on public WiFi that's I'm actually going to shift on this which will surprise you if we're I
am shocked if we're going to do this pool I'm going to advocate for doing it right which may be more money at the end of the day because to your point the WiFi and everything else that we can eliminate from a capital budgeting standpoint if you're going to as well P
you do it half ass then you're right you're going to slowly die might need extra I just said I wanted improvements and you said no way well that's when we're burning right if we're now over the burn and what
you're going to do is if you deliver a subpar experience your subscription rates are going to go down next year in which case you might need to invest I am 100% opposed to anything over the $150,000 that we approved as a burn rate because I think that gets even worse
going forward and that's corre that's if you've got the subscriptions if you've got the costals and you've got everything else people have shown to do it then you might have to consider making meaningful investment to do it I don't know what the definition do it right is because it might be put it off
for a year or two bu it that might be the definition do it right but I think we could explore what it means to actually do it right if we can generate enough Revenue that it's 100 Grand burn rate in a year I can live with that I will I will say if the open the pool we should use our tree fund to do a little
Landscaping because it does not have a landscaping barrier to the homes Mike uses that property to put uh the trees excess trees there so he's totally that's over two acres from the homes that are right next to it do that okay
so let's can we answer the question of what's coming out of capital what's coming out of open space first the only the only issue we have is that if it comes out of open space the money's will be available to to do this
operation if we do it now um you hold on if you do it in a bond you wouldn't introduce that until Mar 18 public hearing okay so let me ask let me ask a question let me ask a question a different way be available today David
the $180,000 we're going to reappropriate uh for uh what is that fiber for the parks can we reappropriate that money and use it U at the pool so why don't we do it that way then the money's available immediately we're not
bonding it's go in capital no it's it's reappropriated it from previous ordinance from previous ordinance the money's already sitting there we just need two meetings for that does that work and that gives you your money right away and we'll do it on we not do it on more GT correct so let's just be careful
between the 270 for the public fiber and the 180 for the fiber for farks we don't triple we save it and then triple use it on 47 message boards does that make sense though
okay prepare the appropriate ordinance so we can get us enough time to get the work done okay guys we have minutes left y let's refocus all right what else yeah I summarizing for you summarize the 150 going across and the
330 and the open SP one what's deid so it's um it's the 142 or the 150 let's say 150 that's going to go in the into the reappropriated ordinance as opposed to open space so open space would be
one yeah which we already that sounds like a compromise toal 15 15 right $300,000 yes the 150 okay 150 in capital 150 being reappropriate reappropriate no I understand it but are we spending more
money on the pool no no we're spending 150 okay yeah well point he wants to do more in I I I think if we want to spend more money we should Define first what
we want to do as opposed to just adding dollars let think about what we want to do hold the volleyball court to the same standard okay tenis than two minutes three I'll make it even easier three points and then
David speak first one is right now there is nothing in there makes it pretty easy second Point um we don't still don't have exactly how much it's going to cost so it' be weird of us to appropriate something so we don't know third thing is the school came to us and said they
want to do some sort of sharing yeah so the only thing that I'd love to get from the council is tennis is stupid we never want to invest on anything all the way to that's John's Point all the way to yes this is Central Jamie will tell you 10 times out of 10 that they a lot of
people are using the transports they are literally a safety hazard we just have to find the most efficient way to them do we align on that I will add to them and make them purple John said please someone write that into
the Lauren next go ahead Lauren um elaborate for a second on the school ask the school goal is for us to split five and five so they want us to help them build five on their property they will share the cost in our building
our five however um we will then have to be restricted that they can use our tennis court all afternoon in most of the year we don't know what the deal is yeah we have to work you have any other questions you
want to raise take that risk Susan how you good I'm good all right I have a motion to adjourn please move second all in favor [Music]