We need to turn on on the side. >> Um, so just a quick overview of this presentation. I will go over the day-to-day operations of our you our storm water utility. Just give you a quick update on Dober Ditch, the living shoreline project that we have ongoing and then a review of some of our planned
projects for FY26 and then some future efforts that we're looking at um either undertaking or implementing in the future. So a quick overview of our operations. Um the graph that you see is the different diameter size storm water pipes that we have throughout our
system. So you can see they are fairly large compared to portable water manes. Um and then some statistics that we have. We have four major outfalls within our service area. 37 minor outfalls, seven we nine structures, 12.4 mi of gravity storm water manes, 81 manholes
and 577 inlets. I mean all of that is managed and maintained in conjunction with our distribution system. Um our staff dedicated to storm water is one utility worker and then shared salaries of two other workers including a
supervisor. So about two people altogether to manage all of this. Um we do have some overlapping qualifications from our distribution team. So they help out where they can. Um but we are very small compared to other municipalities. So we have a lot to maintain but uh not
a lot of workforce to do so. So it is a priority for us. Um, and when it comes to the regulatory requirements for storm water, the EPA um, amended the Clean Water Act in 1987 to include MPDS or
non-pollution discharge elimination systems in their permits. Um, and then in Florida, that is our primacy agency to implement that is the FDP. and they require us to even further on the county
level work with Palm Beach County to have an MS4 and that is um a municipal separate storm sewer system and so there's about 41 different organizations within within our MS4. we all partner up um to do what
we can to reduce discharges, eliminate illicit discharges, improve the quality of water that we're discharging to the river. Um and all of that, the reasoning behind that comes from the fact that the Lockach River is impaired. Um I'm sure
you all know this, but um it's impaired for E.coli, coli um fecal caulifform interior cockeye chlorophyll a and um total phosphorus and so all of these organizations that are around the lockache river we partner up we're required to partner up but we partner up
and we are required to annually submit reports on all of our um storm water system that does discharge to the river um and then different efforts that we implement to reduce any type of pollution to the river and um the way that we do that is
through predominantly inspections of our storm water system. Making sure that there's no impediment of flow, that there's no pipes that are damaged that would stop the flow or um cause damage to the environment um through the infiltration of silt that would be
carried to the river. And for an FY26, our stormwater utility budget was $734,169. Um you can see in the bottom graph though that that's the operational side of it is almost double compared to FY25.
And the reason you see that high cost is mostly Dover Ditch. So Dover Ditch was $34,000. We budgeted $315,000. All those costs will be incurred in FY26. Um so that's why you see that large increase in cost for this year.
But then that purple bar you see would be the FD grant that we got for the project. Um, so overall, if you try to compare our storm water utility budget to our uh water fund budget, it's drastically smaller. Um, it is something that we're working towards and and doing
as much as we can, finding creative ways to operate with reduced cost to make sure that we can maintain our system and implement um different initiatives to reduce pollution and educate the residents on the importance of storm water management. Sorry, Dover Ditch Living Shoreline. Um,
you all are aware of this project. It's a phenomenal project. We are almost done with it. Um, it was 50% FD grant funded with the remaining a 60/40 split between us and the town of Jupiter. So, we're covering 60%. The town of Jupiter is covering 40%. The contractor for that
project is Blue Terra. The contract value was $34,289.80 and the engineer record was Chenmore and Associates. Um the stabilization of the entire canal is complete. Um implantings will occur. Right now it says after December 15th, but they'll actually
occur December 22nd and 23rd of this year. And um it's happening a little bit later just due to the king tides. We had to wait for the tides to go down so that the plantings would not um die due to an inundation of water. Um and because that project did come in under budget, we
budgeted $315,000 for it. That was the 50% match requested from FD. Um, so there's a difference about $7,000 there. And we did go to FD and ask that they honor their original 50% contribution. So it really does come out to about I think 52 or 53% that they're
contributing, which is only about like $3,500 more. But for our storm water utility, it can mean a lot. That's another uh swale that could be regraded or something. So it's it's important us for us to find cost savings where we can. And that was one that we identified. So we were able to obtain that. Um, and we
are hoping to wrap that project up by the end of the year. So, if you all haven't had a chance to go out and look at it, I encourage you to do so. It's very beautiful. Um, that top picture, one thing I wanted to point out is that is actually upstream of the weir and it
was outside of the project limits, but we noticed during construction and after heavy rain that um on the sides of that canal is what we call fabraform or geoteexile. It's like a concrete with holes in it and there's supposed to be sand underneath, but the rain has caused
erosion underneath that fabric form. So, you can kind of even see it in the canal there where there's immense amount of sedimentation that's building up outside of the fabric form. And um the contractor, they've been doing such a great job that um they came in with still, I think it was $50,000 in their
undefined conditions allowance that we didn't use. And so we're at the point in the project where we feel confident and comfortable with using those funds to now go upstream of the um project boundary and remove that fab reform and stabilize that bank shore to reduce sedimentation that would be further
carried um down the canal and possibly out to the river. So, it was kind of additional work that we were able to incorporate into this project and use FD funding and assistance for um to to further enhance that canal for work that would have had to have been done down the road anyways. Um so, that was kind
of also a benefit of this project. Going through some planned projects for FY26. So, swale reclamations, we have three scheduled for this year, including Dover Circle, Dover Circle, Garden Street, and North Do Road. Um, we had started with
three last year and they were very successful. Um, swails are super super important to our storm water management system. They're natural ways for water to be filtered and carried. Um, it keeps it off the road so you're not getting that runoff from the road as much um
because the water's not traveling down the road. It's traveling in the swale. But if you drive around to Questa, you'll notice that there's not a lot of swailes. Um, a lot of the yards are either flat or there's plantings in the yard. So it becomes kind of challenging for that storm water to infiltrate into the ground and then travel um eventually
to either catch basin or out to the river. And um so we're starting this program called save the swailes where we are working towards identifying areas of high flooding um where we can go in and regrade some of those swailes and work with the property owners to do so and um
enhance the ability for those swailes to treat the water and infiltrate into the ground. Um, one of the successes that we had was Fair View last year. Um, the one of the property owners down the street, they were so happy with the results of
the swale regrading and the reduction in flooding that they asked if we could do their property. Um, obviously it's kind of hard to go and do a property when there's not a lot of flooding now, but then they offered that they would even be willing to pay for it if we educated them, help them. So, um, that's one
thing that we're really proud of and we want to continue to do and work towards. Most of our soil regrading does happen in house. Um, in the simpler areas, we do have staff. We purchased a level that we can shoot grades at. So, we're making sure that we're um, grading the soils
properly, doing it the right way so we don't have to go back later um, and doing that soil reclamation. And we also did find out at one of the properties that we went and regraded, the one of the property owners did have artificial turf in the rightway. And so we went in, we spoke with them. Um we worked with
them to remove it from the right of way and replant sod. But one thing I wanted to point out, pardon me one second. So we when we talk about artificial turf, we talk about how it's advertised as porous and impervious and and to some extent that's true. But then when we
went to this one property and we were removing it, we actually had to get our Bobcat excavator out because the dirt formed rock underneath the turf and so water's not getting through that rock easily. So there's no storm water treatment that would be happening there.
Um, and it was just kind of amazing for us to see because we've never really gone into a property to remove turf like that and found it so compacted underneath where that water it's not going. It's just traveling off the property. So, it's it's a big issue, but we are working towards um working with residents and um fixing some of the
grading that we have around the village. Um, it is a phased approach and like I said, we're targeting areas of high flooding. Um, but that is one of our projects that we have planned. Another one is storm water pipelining. When we went to the November 3rd workshop, council workshop, we went over
five project areas that we had around the village where storm water pipes were identified as being older, um possibly some mechanical integrity issues that we were identifying. And so they were called out to be lined. Lining is the most cost effective form of rehabbing
the pipes compared to going in and fully replacing them. Um it can add 50 to 60 years of the life to the pipe if we go in and line it. Um, but you really have to do it in a preventative maintenance because if it's already collapsed, you can't go in there and line it. You have to replace it. Um, but when we went to
council, we did identify five areas. Two of those had to be removed just due to cost, which was um, Giew Drive and River Drive. They came in some of the highest cost to go in and line those pipes. So, we did take those off, but we did add uh, North Cypress Drive because there is
a current um, pipe failure there that we believe we can still go in and line. Um, so we're going to go ahead and go do those. We are bringing those to the February council meeting um for a one purchase order for a contractor to go in and do all of them. It reduces mobilization costs cuz they're already
in the area, so they go and just line all of them in one shot. Um, so we we budget about $100,000 each year for storm water pipelining. With these um four areas, it comes to about 85,000. So, we're maintaining about 15,000 in
reserves in case we have any emergencies later on in the fiscal year that we would have to go in and address. And then last on the list is our storm water pond inspections. Um, ponds are critical in retaining water, especially in high rain events, and making sure that there's not water backing up and
flooding um some streets. So, we've never gone in to our staff's knowledge, we've never gone in and actually inspected these infalls and outfalls to these ponds. And so we plan to go and do so. Um because of the cost of the storm water pipelining, it's going to be a little bit challenging for us to do some
of these inspections, but we have opted for a more internal approach. So we have a camera that um can be put underwater. So we'll go in and try to inspect these first in house and then if we identify some blockage in those infalls or outfalls, we'll have to hire a diver to
come in and clear those out. And then last but not least, some future efforts. So, um, something that's near and dear to me is education and outreach with the public. Um, I think you can avoid a lot of issues by going out and talking to the public before, um, anything happens because a lot of people
don't even know about storm water, just like they don't know about drinking water. So, if you go out and have conversations, it saves time and money. Um, so we plan on increasing our efforts related to public education outreach, including the FSA WWA Drop Savers poster contest. So that's for grades K through
12 and it's getting kids involved in understanding of water conservation. Um so it starts at the younger level. Um and we would love to get the EAC involved in that contest as well and selecting the winners. Um we'd like to have a big event. We usually we usually bring to council the winners and that
will happen in May. Um Toquest has never participated in that program but it's a great program so we would love to get you all involved um as we get it kicked off. Um, another thing is leveraging the EPA water sense and storm water smart outreach tools. Why create the wheel when there's already a wheel out there?
Um, and then trying to really promote some of our national observance days including the national storm water day, world water week, fix a leak week, drinking water week, imagine a day without water, national water quality month, source water protection week, and groundwater awareness week. So, all of these are opportunities for us to engage
with the public and get them educated, get them informed, and get them involved at the end of day in water conservation and storm water protection. Um, another thing that's included is our rightway ordinance revisions. I'm not going to touch too much on this, but I know that it's a hot topic right now and we have a
group of staff working on those ordinance revisions and helping us protect the rightway. Um, and then storm water inlet drain outreach. This is one of the things that Jay and I talked about recently because I know we've been trying to discuss different ways to identify the storm water drains. We have the little buttons right now, but
sometimes they can be missed or fall off. Um, and so trying to do some research and creative thinking, something that I came up with that maybe it's been discussed before, I don't know. Um, and I we'd have to look into the financial impacts and everything, but wrapping the drains and not wrapping
them like covering them, but like a car wrap type of thing where you cut out the circle so then they can kind of pop out more whether we wrap them in blue or put a message on them. Um, you'd still have to have the grates and everything, but it's something that we could look into. Um, another thing would be adopt a drain program. Typically during storm water
events, drains get clogged and that's when you have leaves and everything fall into the drain. they impede the flow and they can eventually cause nutrient loading with the breakdown of the leaves and um nutrients and everything going into the river. So having somebody responsible or an organization responsible for that drain, it increases
ownership, increases awareness. So it's a great program. And then car washing and yard waste campaigns, a lot of people don't think like I'm not going in specifically dumping something down the drain, but if I'm washing my car, those chemicals are eventually going to make it to a storm drain and out to the river. and just making sure we're using
environmentally friendly car washing um chemicals or um making sure we're not dumping our yard waste um out into the street or blowing it into a storm drain. And then last but not least, research and statistic based decision-m um I had
previously come from the town of Jupiter and they have a very robust program with storm water monitoring. So they use what's called data sons and they put them out in the rivers and they they partner a lot with Oxachi River District to um publicize those results and I
think that it would be a great opportunity for us to start looking at some of those results and making informed decisions. Um a great instance that it could have been implemented is do ditch. we could have gotten pre-living shoreline nutrient turbidity data um and then gotten it after the
fact and seen like if there's an actual improvement to that outfall just to make sure like whatever we're doing is actually making a difference. Um so that's something that's much into the future but definitely something on a radar that we want to implement.
That's all I have. I will take any questions. >> We no questions. Thank you. That was that was very informative. >> I got a couple questions. So I think you half answered it at the end. One of them um you mentioned the reports that you
do. Was it for the locks river district that all the >> the MS4 program the MPD? Yes. >> The we're talking about >> I don't know. >> We have an annual for our storm water utility. >> The details are hard to remember. >> No, you're good. For our stormwater utility, we have an annual report that we do. And so there's a lot that goes
into it like street sweeping and the amount of stuff that we take off the roads, inspections of our outfalls. There's a lot of storm water components education is in there. Um so that report is sent annually. We send it to uh Mockus which is a consulting firm and they're they're the responsible party
for combining all the reports from the 41 organizations and sending that to FT. >> As part of that report, is there any testing of the water that's being sent back out? No, there's not. Um,
predominantly what's included is like a calculation of nutrient reduction. So, the amount of the amount of street sweeping the material that's removed, there's an estimation of pollution reduction associated to the weight that's removed. Um, but there's no actual physical testing because similar
to what you were saying about it' be nice to know if the the efforts were were doing something. you know, we had done educational stuff and ordinance work with fertilizer and it'd be nice to know, you know, has, you know,
phosphorus percentages gone down and stuff like that. >> Yeah, it's awesome. It would be great to great to know. Um, but the equipment is expensive. Um, so that's something we we could budget for in the future. It's something that I'm very passionate about cuz I like making sure that the decisions that we're doing are like
databased. Um but uh it also takes manpower to do that and so um it's great to think about doing but then to realistically implement it is another story. So it is something we're working towards but I don't know what a timeline would be on that. >> Okay. And then the the second question
um you mentioned the the >> re-swelling. >> Um and I was having happened to be on a street that was re-wailed a couple years ago I think. Um, and I noticed that after the re-swelling was done, several property owners came in and just dumped
a bunch of gravel and leveled off their swells to create, you know, I guess more parking area. >> Um, I know you're not enforcement, but do you work with enforcement in any way to to >> So, I think that's kind of the
initiative and purpose behind the rightway ordinance revisions. Right now, the way that the ordinance is laid out, it can be very confusing to residents because there's different stipulations in different areas of the ordinance. And so, the efforts to revise them or to kind of condense everything and making it make it very um understandable from a
resident's point of view to to know, oh, I'm not supposed to do something like that. And then to have code be able to enforce it and be able to point directly at where it says in the ordinance you're not supposed to be doing something like that. So, I think that's the first step is making sure our ordinance is revised to outline all of those requirements and
then enforcement after that. >> Um, thank you very much for coming to present. That was very helpful and informative. My only question is for an educational for myself. The term pond, what does that mean like at these
locations? Um, so they are they are ponds where like I could I don't have a picture of it. Um, I could follow up with you and show you where some of the ponds are, but they're just dry like they're areas of retention for water. Um, just scattered throughout the
village. Um, they're smaller um ones that are listed on the streets. I'm familiar with those streets, but I'm not familiar with the site of a pond. >> Yeah, they're like adjacent. So they are a little bit farther away and then there's like a pipe that goes from like a catch basin there over to the pond. And so what we're worried about, we own
that pipe that that takes the water and puts it into that pond. And so we're making sure that where that pond where the pipe discharges to, that's clear so that it's not impeding flow and causing um flooding on the street. And then also that there's not any like delay in the water going down and uh damage to the
pipe that could be caused by the sediment loading. And >> how often are those checked for clogging? So, from our staff's knowledge, they've never been inspected. Um, and they are there's some areas where there there could possibly be concerns about the mechanical integrity
of the actual pipe itself. So, that's one of the things that we're looking at the outfall cuz where it goes into the pond, you would assume would be the most damage. So, they're looking at that outfall for um both mechanical integrity and for impedement of flow. Thank you.
So, the golf course considers the ponds to be golf water hazards, correct? Are they on the golf course? >> Some of them, I believe, are around a golf course. Yes. >> Okay. So, so who owns the So, they own
the the the land upon which the pond is located, but you own the pipe. We own the pipe. >> We own the pipe that discharges into it. Yeah. >> Um I would have to look in each specific scenario. Um, we do own a couple of retention areas throughout the village that are ours, but in the most case they
are like privately owned ponds. We're not going in and doing any dredging of the ponds or anything like that. It's just the outfall of the pipe. >> In regard to do ditch, um, is there a way to get that name changed? It just
seems outdated. the ditch the >> I guess you'd have to deal with Jupiter as well, but the uh uh >> in regard to what you showed, I thought when this was in the preliminary stage, I saw more drawings that where the water
flow meandered more. >> Yeah. So, I can you can it's kind of hard to see in the picture, but the bottom picture. So, that top picture is that was actually preconstruction and it's a video. I don't know if we can play it or not, but then the bottom two pictures are the meandering. So, it's
kind of hard to see. Um, but if you look closer, you can see where it actually meanders. And then it'll be even easier to see once the plantings are done. So, that bottom left picture where you see the rock ends and it almost looks like dirt. That's where planting's going to go. And so, once the plantings are there, it'll be a little bit easier to
even more see the meander, but it's still kind of there. You see it more at low tide. Um, but if you go out there, you can see it even more. Okay. Thank you. >> I have a question um about the pipelining. Yes. >> You had mentioned you're you're trying
to line all the water pipes throughout the village of what is needed. >> So we the way that we prioritize them is first based on age. So we have we have the records for almost all of the pipes that are in the system. There are some that are unknown, but we can go in and
inspect them and look at what the condition is. Um, but most of them are aligned based on age because they have a useful life in them. Um, and so we start with that list and we select a couple that we think we can do within a year based on price cuz we just don't have a lot of money for it. Um, so we'll pick
some that we believe that we could realistically do. But then if we have a pipe that comes in that may be damaged but still able to line, that automatically goes to the top of the list to prevent any further failure that would cause replacement, which is a lot
more costly. Sure. So, you brought up Golf View Drive and then there was another road that you said um >> Fair View West. >> Fair View West. >> That pond is right behind my house. >> Oh, okay. Right. Right. What they look like. >> So, were they um
>> And it is part >> So, the the project Yeah. That's for the pond inspections and it shouldn't say storm water pond inspections. It should say inlet and outlet inspections because it's not we're not inspecting the pond, >> right? Inlet and outlet inspections. So, those two roads you mentioned were too
costly to do right now, but are they in dire need of it? >> No, they're just they've just reached the useful life. So, so when we bump one off the list, it's not because it needs it right now. Okay. >> Um the pipelining is preventative. So, we're going in before there's any damage
done to the useful life another 50 to 60 years instead of waiting for it to fail and having to go in and replace it. >> So, Golf View and Fair View, they're still on the list. Yeah, they they'll be next on the list and we might get to so the end of the year once we get closer to the end of the year and we feel
confident that no further pipes will all of a sudden fail. We'll go ahead and try to finish lining as much pipe as we can with the remaining funds for that fiscal year. We just don't want to expend all of them right in the start of the fiscal year and then all of a sudden have an emergency that we don't have money for. >> And you're doing this Alison throughout
the village, right? Okay. >> Thank you. Uh, one question, the uh, storm water inlet drain outreach programming. Um, is that current or is that something you're looking to do in the future? >> Um, so we currently do have the buttons
on the inlet drains. Um, but Jay and I have been talking about possibly different ways to identify some of those drains because it's not always obvious. Um, so we are looking at creative ways and if anybody has any suggestions, we would love to hear them as well. There's just a lot of things operationally we have to take into consideration. One is
the cost. um the cost of maintenance and the cost to implement and then any maintenance costs and uh any like liability. So I know we like Jay and I had talked about signs like putting like a little footer sign but if somebody's walking and trips over it all of a sudden that's a liability. Um so that's
why I'd come up with the idea of wrapping the great to kind of make it pop and stand out. Um but I don't know if you have any ideas. So that Oh, we do. >> Uh with regard to the yard waste. >> Mhm.
>> Um do you reach out to uh contractors, landscape companies there? Because there's probably at least in terrest country club probably 10. >> Mhm. >> That I see. And they they're working five days a week. No, six days a week.
Mhm. >> Um you could hit a lot with just talking to, you know, those 10 companies versus trying to >> have an outreach effort toward all Cit, you know, everyone lives in that area. >> Targeted. >> Is that something you're doing or
>> No, this is all planned. >> All planned. Okay. >> Yeah, all planned. >> Got it. >> Perfect. >> Well, thank you very much for coming. I appreciate your time. Thank you everyone so much >> information and the delivery of >> you walk.
>> All right. Uh next on the agenda, consent agenda. Uh this is uh the minutes from our last meeting, November 12th. Uh does it look good? Someone want a motion? Make a motion to
accept the minutes of November >> 12th. >> 12th, >> 2025. >> 2025. >> Second. >> Go ahead. >> Second. >> Okay. Um, all those in favor? >> I. >> No. Nays. Motion carries. Old business.
>> Uh, Jay. Uh, Oyster Habitat Creation Program discussion. Did you have certain things that you wanted to update us? Yeah, I just I just wanted to give you a little bit of a followup. Um, I did reach out to Tom Tweifer who was the presenter and he was very open to having
an oyster straining event into Questa sometime in 2026. He offered to of course bring all of the recycled oysters and all the materials and he said he would even give, you know, like a 15, 20, 30 minute
introduction. Um, and so I think I think that's a really good opportunity to I think you guys have talked about having an event in 2026. I I think that would really bring out a lot of people. It's something that kids can do, families can do, and uh my thoughts were we could
hold it at possibly Jona. We've got a really good relationship with Peter Dwit, so we could do it there or we could do it at one of our parks, the Questa Park, Constitution, Remembrance Park. Um, so I'll kind of put it in your court. Um, whether or not you think it's
worth pursuing and having that event and then also if so, which location do you think would be best? >> Okay. >> All right. Um, do you want to >> anybody passionate about it?
>> Your your your thoughts go going. >> I mean, I think it's a great event. I think it's just a matter of, you know, how do we organize it and put it together and using the least amount of funds and uh the greatest amount of awareness. Um that's it. >> Yeah.
>> I also forgot to mention that Councilman Rick Sartorii was the one that kind of made that initial introduction and he he's very interested in continuing that. So, um kind of could be a partnership between council and and the AC which I think would be nice. Okay.
Um, I think it's a great idea. I kind of would lean towards suggesting that it be held at one of our own parks so that we have um acknowledgement of what we have in Tquesta. And also a suggestion or thought is uh
sometimes it is very effective to be able to engage directly with the community that would be participating in this. So yes, it would certainly be good to have it on village wise, but also
perhaps we could approach and at least make a extra effort to let the communities know that are on the water about this event. Possibly even do many events of that in those communities. How
many communities do we have that are residential wide? We have to quest a country club. >> Everything on beach road. >> Um >> um >> the church lane >> behind the church is on the water. Those
milk homes are all on the water on that >> Bay Harbor. >> Bay Harbor. >> There's quite a few. >> I don't know the exact number, but >> yeah, >> country club would be the big one. >> Yeah. >> And and an option would be to have it at one of the the little mini pocket parks on the water there if if the country
club would be open to it. That's my input. I love the idea. >> Great. >> Anything? Anything? >> No. >> So, um I don't know. I I kind of like the idea
of having it uh in conjunction with the food truck things that we have like what is it? January, February, March. >> Oh, first uh >> Friday evening. >> Oh, the Friday evening. First Friday of the month from May.
>> I forgot what. No, it's >> I thought it was during the season. >> During season during season. Okay. October maybe. First Friday of the month. October through May. Something like that. >> Is it that really? >> I don't think they had them yet. >> Isn't it January?
>> Yeah, I think one of them got rained out and then we also had that country event. So, I think that kind of took took >> took place of that. >> Yeah. And then we're having the Christmas event I think this Friday. So that's probably taking place of it, but but probably in January. That's a good
idea, Brad. I will talk to parks and wreck to to figure out if they think that it could happen simultaneous or not. Um >> that's a lot of visibility. >> Yeah, there's a lot of people that go to >> It's a good time to get people interested in that idea because you've got a captive audience there. So that's
a cool idea. Let Let me just run it by parks and wreck first. >> Okay. Yeah, I think that's a great idea. >> Uh if we can't do that, um are we thinking like a weekend event? >> Yeah, if not that, probably like a Saturday morning, you know. Okay. S
Well, yeah, Sunday's tough. >> Yeah, Sundays. All right. >> I just thought of something. It's a question for Tom Tweford, actually. when those oysters begin to develop on that string and the weight becomes more and
more. What's the effect on the because I don't think they're attached to the stringers. I think they were attached to the planks that go across. So, I'd like to note that. >> I could have sworn he said they were attached to a structural member like a stringer. >> They are. >> Okay. >> Yeah. He showed them that bolt through.
>> Yeah. >> Know would like to know what that weight as that weight increases. what have they had any issues with that? >> Yeah, >> that's a have as I talked to some people in the community about it. That seems to be the a big concern.
>> Also, one thing I failed to mention is we would ideally need to find locations into Questa to place this the strong up oyster shells. So, if you have any friends or family that own waterfront properties, maybe see if you can find some volunteers. If not, we'll we'll put
something on social media and and ask for volunteers. But um >> yeah, >> it'd be great to not just string them, but actually, you know, string them in and put them right up here. >> And then also I I know Tom was looking for people to become champions. It would so that he doesn't have to come up every
time there's an installation. So if you think of anybody or any of you yourselves would want to be that that person that could kind of help install them, that'd be great. I I personally volunteered that I would take the shells
from a thousand north and lucky shock and places. If he if he ever has a need for it, I'll I'll drive him down there. So, um if you guys want to find someone to volunteer to string him, that'd be great. >> I'll volunteer on the education, not the
installation. Is this something that uh we could involve the what? I forgot their name. The environmental group at Jupiter High School. >> It would be great. >> Uh >> absolutely >> because they live on year after year
with different students as they progress through the system, but they don't seem to ever go away. So they there might be uh a group of younger people that can help with some of the work and be involved in all of that and you know
learn what it all means educationally and so forth for the water quality. >> Great idea. Um Tom and I did talk a little bit about that and he's he's open to that. So, I will I will reach out to the Jupiter High Group and see if they can become a partner and it could maybe
be a continual constant project that we always work with them on. >> That would be great. >> Okay, moving right along. So, this is uh let's see.
Okay. So, the initiatives um I think we spoke about all of these things at one point or another, but um what you have here is a page a paper with um up to eight uh options.
Uh this is basically a ranking of what you feel is uh the most important and then second most important. Most important gets an A, second most gets a B. And you're only allowed to
have two A's and two B's. This was not I guess this is the way that council um prioritizes some things uh when they meet. So, uh, seems like it, uh, is pretty good. The, uh, I, I had mentioned before the
meeting started, a few of these are kind of related, like number three and number seven >> and six >> and six. six may be a little bit different because it uh it's more of just the education
aspect of it, but three and seven are the actual, you know, nuts and bolts of of doing it basically in my mind anyway. So I think that if it'd be possible for
some if this is agreeable uh to motion to combine three and seven into one. >> Does that make sense? Cuz I we only get two A's and two B's. Right. >> Right.
>> And three and seven seem to be very much related. um plus the oyster habitat. >> Three and six. >> Three and six. >> No, six is related as well, but it's a a different it's more in the education side, whereas three and seven are more on
uh I say the nuts and bolts like you're actually doing doing something to the program, not Yeah. Maybe I'm not explaining it very well. >> I guess what I I get the actionoriented >> actionoriented education. Yeah, do
something. But are we considering the oyure habitat and the living shorelines to be the same thing? >> I think they're related enough to, you know, put them into one category or one one bullet.
I don't know. That's just my thought. Uh we don't have to do it. Uh you can, you know, we can just move along with with this. But if that sounds reasonable, you could always motion it. If not, >> in regard to number three,
>> Mhm. >> didn't we identify some some things for incentives uh and maybe even go so far as having it looked at by the building department?
Am I wrong or right? I thought we said, "Okay, we like this living shoreline thing. We really need a demonstration project." Uh, is this a project or is it just a program of education? It's not really
clear the way >> to sound like right now it's a request for budget. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's it's a request for budget. So that Tom, that would be pretty similar to the the current tree planting incentive program we're offering. Right. So, we have a tree incentive program where people can get
up to $400 per shade tree. >> And it just got rolled out recently. It's, you know, kind of a slow roll out, but um we we thought Jeremy Allen and I thought that we could possibly use that as kind of a basis to do a similar thing
with mangroves in the next budget year. So, we would ask for, let's say, up to $10,000 or 15 or whatever, whatever the council's comfortable approving that we would then um give out on kind of a first come first- serve basis to whoever
wants to install mangroves on their project, on their property. >> About how much are the mangroves when you purchase them from whomever, Mang or what? >> I do not know that. Do you think that anything you think Alison would know? >> How much mangroves cost?
>> No. >> Water person, not a plant person. >> Okay. >> Also something in regarding number three to come up with the incentive. So say it, you know, it's a monetary incentive and somebody that lives in along the
water says yes and and uh utilizes that incentive. But are we doing preliminary evaluations to make sure that a mangrove can be sustainable there? Cuz we've learned through a lot of our education that the
water's too deep. So >> we we would create if we did the incentive program, we would create very specific criteria for what needs to be done prior to, you know, giving approval for it. So, on the tree program, we have like a it's probably too complicated,
but it's got a list of like what type of trees you can use, where you can plant them. >> Okay. >> Um where you have to buy them from. >> Is the incentive that you just described, is that the incentive or is that just an example of the type of incentive we could do?
>> Like, am I voting to give rich people money to plant? >> That's what I wonder. >> That's for the betterment of the environment. Yes. >> That's an interesting dynamic that you you'd have to factor in. For sure.
>> Gotcha. >> Cuz it there's no way that you can say provide us, you know, your your net worth before we approve it. Right. So, >> I mean there it's it's like I'm assuming you're not allowing you're not giving people mangroves to plant on their
nonseaside locations. Correct. >> Correct. Okay. You know on number three it's if I look at the two things this says it's wanting to facilitate
>> it says planting of mangroves and engineered structures. >> Yeah. >> Uh it seems to me that the only thing that Questa could possibly afford would be the planting of mangroves. And I'm wondering if engineered structures
>> maybe it's those >> throws a curveball into what people are thinking is that a seaw wall >> Tom I think is that how I interpret it Jay is that the young guys that came in and they discussed the what they came up
with those uh >> hexagon and then also we were um >> reef arches. >> Thank you. purchase and then what the other one was the the rocks right >> also doing the rocks so I think that's what >> I would assume that's what they are
offering >> are those two options not building someone's seaw wall >> right no >> but that's I mean it's got to be worded >> about alternative structures >> sure would that be a better
>> well similar to the plan a tree program where there's a specific list of trees you that qualify for the rebate, there would be probably a list of engineered or alternative engineered structures, >> I would imagine. >> But are we all on the same page? It's
about those things that we showed by those startup companies and the young the young men that came and spoke to us. Is that what we're talking about when we say >> engineer structure? Yes, that and I remember on one of them there was um >> uh something that surrounded the
pilings. >> Yes. >> Um that also promoted uh oyster growth. >> Yes, I remember that too. >> Yeah. >> So that sort of that's what >> what about a non-engineered structure such as rocks rit?
>> I think maybe we could add by companies that have presented to the EAC. That way it covers everybody that's come in because I think we're all on the same page that it's >> the it's alternative as you said >> ideas.
You want to add that comment? >> Yeah. >> I I think this might have been Brad's eye. >> It was >> so I think it's up to him. You want to use alternative engine? >> Yeah. >> Um is is
>> I know the red brass is not cheap. >> Yeah. Yes. And it's probably involves the work of an engineer, but it's not really an engineered structure, is it? >> Organic. >> Well, I think the the whole idea behind a living shoreline is there's going to
be an engineer involved. You know, you can't just qualify for a mangrove tree rebate and then just kind of plant it and stick it in the back of your yard or back of your house, >> right? Um, and I don't think they the the rebate it
would qualify anyway if you did. You know what I mean? >> Um, and the same thing goes for alternative engineered structures. And and again, like I said, it's going to be spec for specific things. Um, you know, but the way it's written, it is does
seem kind of vague. Uh, but I think in practice it will be very specific. Can I explain something >> please? So you'll see that item number six
was one of mine. And the reason I made this, I had spoken to I think Jay about it or somebody about it one time somewhere. But the reason I did this was
uh it's basically an educational concept as opposed to an uphill. This is me talking and thinking as opposed to a potentially uphill battle to get a lot of money from the village council to have a demonstration project for living
shoreline. Why don't we my thought was why don't we find one that someone did I don't care if it's in Miami or Jupiter and you know get a videographers you know make it a nice production and
then that could be on the website etc. and and help people see that, you know, here's the steps and here's how it works and what thing. >> In other words, it's a soft cost issue as opposed to a hard cost that could be very expensive
>> and it's part of the education program part of a piece of this shoreline project proposals. It's that's a very good educational piece of it. Have you looked on YouTube to see if there's any videos that that are already there that we wouldn't have to pay
anyone to make that are sufficient? Great point. >> That's a good idea. I had not gone that far. >> I did a quick search and I found a few. I didn't know exactly what you're looking for. There's some that show like installations. There's some that show after, but the afters don't look exactly
probably what you're thinking. There's there's several that look like they're more North Florida than South Florida, but I'm sure you could look around. We could post one of those and then that's free. >> Yeah. So, you know, if we if we found one that's
built, there's no way for us to video the steps it took to build it and design it and all this other stuff. So, if it's on YouTube, then maybe we don't do that's just not necessary. If we could patch them together and put them on the website,
>> maybe do a before video and an after video or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> If there are I'm just saying because there's, you know, everything's on the internet. >> Okay. >> And that item could just be like to create a campaign of awareness of living shorelines. It doesn't have to be a
video. It could be just kind of hitting people in smoke signals and on our social media and the website and flooding them with information about it. Also, one thing to factor in too is number six and seven really don't require a budget. So, the other five
you're all kind of asking for money. The other two are kind of educational. So, you could always kind of roll those out and say, "Hey, you know, these are when it comes for the ask for money, these are our priorities." And then the other two are things that we really really
support and want to do, but they don't really cost any money. Is is seven not asking us to to find a location where there will be a project done >> for the >> it is but it's it it won't cost any
money so so yeah Russ unfortunately you missed >> I I missed the Okay so there somebody's going to like do a project for us >> yeah so so it's the Palm Beach Fishing Club and he they string recycled oysters from restaurants >> on a string and you just go put them on
people's docks and then the got to find a location. They're going to they're going to install a thing. >> So, you find a location and then we'll actually have the EAC would have an event where we actually have people come out and string the oysters up. So, it's >> that's fantastic.
>> Yeah, that seems easy. >> I I have a question about So, the there's a right in line here. Um I and I don't fully think I have enough information to to suggest this completely but I know I I think I
emailed it a few months back what was it um >> the USA Yeah the USAT today article that that had the map that showed us that Questa drinking water has the the plural plural whatever
>> stuff. I'm glad you found um and I and I and and for for my money >> helping the village like I don't know if there's anything bigger than filtering >> agree >> the drinking water. >> Absolutely agree.
>> Well, that's a a good one to add. But the >> Allison had done a report a month or two ago that was pretty comprehensive, but they stated in that report that they knew that they had the contamination.
>> I missed I missed that. >> But I don't know, you know what I don't know in is, you know, where where is that? I know that the EAP says by this date, you got to have something done, but I don't know where we are and how far we're moving at this point in time.
>> Yeah, please help us. >> Um, yes. So it's it's actually very not that I mean it just would take a long time to explain all of it but in in summary our water plant pulls from two different aquifers the surficial aquifer and the Florida aquifer. Um PAS has not
been found in the Florida aquifer. So that one's safe. So that's our RO plant. Um even if it was found in there the RO plant does remove it from the drinking water stream. It does produce a a reject stream which right now goes out to the inner coastal beneath the bridge that
was just replaced. And um but we don't have to worry about that right now cuz it's only in the surficial aquifer. Right now the way that we treat the surficial aquifer is through a filter plant. And that filter plant does not remove PAS. So that water goes straight through the filters. The PAS is still there. It's combined with the RO
permeate and that's what gets sent out to the distribution system. And right now the two um substances or analytes that are in the PAS regulation that are going to be regulated right now it's in 2029 but they're looking at pushing it
to 2031 is PFOS and PFOA. Um our PFOA concentration in our finished water is about 3.4 nanog per liter. The limit is four. Um and then the PFO is don't quote me on this but I think 8.6. It's about
double what the um MCL will be in a couple of years. And so we have a big project going on right now with Kimley Horn to develop a master plan to figure out how we're going to address that in our finished water. There's a couple of different routes that we can go. So we
just have to take a holistic approach to looking at whether we maintain the surficial aquifer supply that has a PAS in it and try to figure out how to remove the PAS from the drinking water stream. But then you're going to have a waste, whether that be um a material waste through ion exchange where you're
going to have a resin that you have to dispose of or if we go to a membrane treatment option for the surficial aquifer, but then it would be in that reject stream. And where would we put that stream? Would we just be putting it back into the environment through the outfall? Or would we have to get a deep injection well that would be putting it
below any drinking water aquifer? There's a couple of different routes we can go. Um so we're doing that master plan. And the other option that we have is to go full RO to completely stop the dependence on the surficial aquifer um and only depend on the Florida aquifer.
It does reduce some of your redundancy in your raw water supply, but we could build that redundancy through additional wells. Um so there's a lot of different moving parts that go into that decision and it's a pretty big decision that has to be funded and millions and millions of dollars for treatment changes
depending on which option we choose. So it's important for us to choose the most cost effective option where we're implementing treatment changes that are going to last us a long time to make sure that investment is worth it now. So um it's a very loaded answer but we are looking at it when it comes to the
remediation in the environment. Um it's kind of hard for utilities to take that on. Um I know that I think it's the city of Stewart I believe or Martin County they're currently implementing treatment to remove the PAS from the water stream. They use resin, but then
the resin does have to be destroyed. Um, there's a lot of new up andcoming technology on the destruction of PAS because right now the resin they take it and they they burn it and they have to burn it to a high enough temperature to destroy those bonds and they're really really strong bonds. So, it's hard to
do. Um, and the other difficult part about PAS is this is just two compounds that we're looking at. There were um some other ones that were regulated, but they're drawing back those regulations. Um but then there is hundreds of PAS compounds that they haven't even
explored yet. Um and so it's down the future they may start looking at those. But the problem is you really have to look at it on the production side. These chemicals, the reason why they're in the environment is because they were produced back in the early 1900s and they've been continuing to be produced.
Nobody was watching them. And every time one was regulated, all they did was add a fluoride compound onto the end of the chain and added like made a new compound. So that's why there's so many out there is because as soon as they regulated one they were just making the next. Um so it's it's a tricky subject and um it's hard when you start talking
about the remediation in the environment. Um and I don't even know I'm sure there's research done out there about different PAS levels that are actually in the environment and not just in drinking water. I'm just familiar with the ones in drinking water. Um but it's a very loaded question. >> So So you currently have the funding you
need to do the research to make the decision. >> Correct. We currently we issued um we issued a PO to Kimley Horn in the amount of it was around $120,000 for this master plan. And so they're looking at all of those options of the different treatment techniques and the impacts of
those because it's not just picking the cheapest fastest option. It's also weighing the regulatory impacts of those because if we change our treatment technique, it triggers a whole bunch of regulatory things down the road that we'd have to start doing with lead and copper sampling and our corrosion control and just a whole kit of worms.
So whatever whatever we decide, we have to make sure we've covered all of our bases and are solid with that decision. >> And do you know like when that decision will eventually be made like a rough estimate on that? >> Um I think the timeline for the project was 6 to 8 months for that master plan
for that report to come out. Um we are trying to fasttrack that as soon as possible. The consultant knows that's important. Um right now we're in the data collection phase. So, we're getting all of our chemical feed information, all of our production data, um, all of our demand data, so how much water the consumers are taking, um, all of our
well data, how much we'll have to invest to maintain the current system. Um, so what upgrades are needed now, even if we stayed on track with what we're doing. Um, so they're getting all of that data, and then we'll have a meeting to review that data and decide what they're going to be looking at, and then they'll start doing their costbenefit analysis.
>> Okay. And then so then in theory then sometime towards the end of next fiscal year you'd be making that decision and then maybe needing funding at that point. >> Correct. Um and and right now we have in
our capital plan we had not been planning for this large treatment change and so we are looking at various options for funding um that right now in our state there is options for PAS funding through SRF loans um which we've already
have some FRF SRF loans but that's for our distribution projects and we do have one for the water plant as well but that project's about to kick off. We also did look at some of our current projects and reducing the scope of those projects to make sure we're not expending funds now on a treatment technique that we may be
um going away from in the future. So, making sure we're making the best fiscally responsible decisions now. >> Um you are you done? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Where were I lost my train of thought? The um is it is it safe for us to assume
that you and others in the water industry, municipal water industry, safe for us to assume that you assume EPA and others are going to come up with grant funding for this catastrophic cost? >> Um so that's where there is a lot of so
the SRF funding was trying to kind of offset that. There was a large push back from the utility industry when these first came out because they were unfunded mandates. There wasn't a lot of funding available for PAS remediation or transition. We do also have a um
settlement that we're working through with 3M DuPont and then BASF and Tao. So, we will get funding from those settlements as well. It's just not a lot. The hard thing that it comes down to for us is a lot of those loans or grants are based on your average income of the population that you serve and
we're not we're not below the median. So, um that's what makes it a little bit harder to get those. Um but there to my knowledge there's not a lot of grants out there specific to PAS. um we could kind of leverage the fact that we're
transitioning from the surficial aquifer if we do go down that route to the Florida aquifer which would help with saltwater intrusion um and some other environmental factors so we could kind of leverage the environmental impact of our decision and that Kimhorn is also looking at um what that would look like
and different ways that we can kind of show what we're doing and what we're what we're changing not just from the PAS standpoint, but also from an environmental standpoint. >> Do we know which surficial wells or or is it all of the above or what? Do we
know which ones? >> So, all of them do have PAS. Um they're just at different levels. And so that testing um was done back in I believe the end of 2023, early 2024 on the wells. And then we just today conducted
retesting of all of the wells because we found out that through our settlement, if we get these testing results and invoicing done by December 31st, we can submit those for reimbursement through the settlement. So we went ahead and resampled all of the wells to have more up-to-date concentrations of PAS in the wells. Um so hopefully we'll have that
data soon, but it is in all of the wells. Some are just higher than others. Operationally, we are looking at trying to um use the wells that have less PAS in them. But it's easy to say that. But then the well that has less PAS only produces 80 gallons per minute compared to the one that produces more that
produces 500 gallons per minute. So um it's kind of a balancing act with our water demand and what we're able to produce. Um so but we are looking at that. That's one of the things that Kimley Horn is tasked with is operational matrixes now to reduce the amount of PAS in our finished water. Is
it is it tough to get additional Florida uh permits for future expansion of RORO? >> So, we do have one Florida well that's permitted right now that's not constructed. Um the problem is right now the treatment capacity we have three RO
trains that produce 3.6 million gallons a day. Um and about one well feeds each trade. So, we already have four wells. So, we don't really need wells right now because we only we can only produce a certain amount of water anyways. Um, if we did transition to full RO, we would have to drill more wells, especially for redundancy in case we have to take some
out. Um, but the way that we balance our water, the RO water, the reason we have to have the surficial water is because it's very corrosive. It's void of all minerals and it wants to, it wants stuff in it. And so the surficial aquafer provides those minerals and balances the water and makes it non-corrosive. So if
we start increasing our RO production and decreasing our surficial production, you start getting corrosive water. So, we have to make sure we're balancing the chemistry of the water and so it's a little bit harder to depend more on the floor and aquifer right now. Um, but if we make that full transition, we would have to add post- treatment stabilization with some form of like
calcium feed into the water to make sure it's not corrosive. >> So, while I have you here to tap your expertise and knowledge, um, I want to shift it just a wee bit. Uh
is it is it a is it a fact that we with the current technology that we have are we able to remove all the microlastics that may be in the untreated water stream? >> Um to my knowledge we haven't done any testing for microplastics in the water.
If there were microplastics in the water and this is just to my knowledge I haven't seen a lot of research on it. The RO plant will remove the microlastics and this is to my knowledge. So don't hold this against me, but it will. The filter plant will not. >> Interesting.
>> Okay. If you have any trouble with the the PAS that have to be shipped with, just take it to the Dukon headquarters, parking a lot. >> Yeah, >> that's where it came from originally. >> Quick question. While we have your
resourceful information, I saw in your report in the workshop that two other element or two other items showed up at contaminants, methane and TOC. What is T? >> Um, so no, that's actually at one of our wells, well 26. Right now we're having
issues with air intrainment and so um the well the water from the surficial aquifer has a lot of iron in it and when that iron oxidizes it's hard. That's why we have the filter plants to remove the iron. But when you have um air entrainment in a well, it produces a lot of iron to the point where we are not able to treat it at the plant. So that
well has been out of service for a long time. Um and we couldn't find the reason for the air intrainment. It wasn't it's not oxygen. So we did an OP test. It's not oxygen. So we went in and did a a test on the gas and it came back that it was methane and had high levels of TOC in it. Um, we have not been running that
plant or running that well to the plant, but they believe that it is a bacteria that feeds off of um, methane and gives off methane. I don't know the whole chemistry behind all of it, but that's what they think it is. Our plan is to go in and do a um, like extensive
chlorination on the well to kill any bacteria and then do what we call reverse air where we pump a lot of air into the well and take all that dirt and the dead bacteria out so there's nothing for it to feed on in the future. Um and then hopefully the well will not have erand treatment anymore. >> Interesting. Thank you.
>> Yes. But that is not in the finished water. >> Okay. >> Thanks. >> Yes. >> Talk this out. >> So >> Okay. Very articulate.
>> All right. So any anyone have more discussion on any of these items? So are we voting on these now >> or at the end of now during this session? >> Yeah. Okay. >> And this is you know kind of a quasi workshop. >> Okay. >> Um so it's a little less um
regimented with regard to uh Robert's rules of order. So we can talk amongst ourselves. We can discuss any of these or you can just >> put put your grades down. >> Let me tell you about number five.
So recently, about a month ago, to Quest of Pines had a board meeting and it came to our attention that, you know, we have one entrance on Seabbrook Road and one on Riverside Drive. And
uh Seabbrook Road is very popular for people to that like to walk. They walk up and down, back and forth. Russ probably sees them every day like I do. But the uh uh we started getting
complaints about the fact that people both our residents and people that don't reside in Questa Pines. They are generally they are picking up their dog's waste with the bag and then
they're tying or twisting the bag, whatever, and then they're just leaving it in the swale where the trees are or they're tossing it into the hedge rows >> uh as if they're just going to magically disappear down the storm. >> And we, you know, and people, you know,
particularly our residents were complaining about it. And so I got assigned the task of contacting the village uh to see if there was anything that could be done. And it turns out that Doug Chambers, the
director of public works, he has an ongoing program where he's putting these dog stations up in certain areas where I assume I'm not positive, but there might be lots of foot traffic for walking the dogs and stuff. And so I called him not
knowing that he had been been doing that and he said, "Oh yeah, sure. No problem. Mile. I'll order two and we'll put one on one side of the street in front of Quest of Pines and one on the other." And then he went on to tell me, you know, we pick them I'm going to fake this. I can't remember it. He says, "We
pick it up uh we we pick up the the garbage canisters that are part of the package. We pick them up on something like Tuesdays and Thursdays of every week or something like that." But he's got a program that he's and I you know the downside to this stuff is that you
know it's it's it's not good for the environment. I mean it's it's got all kind of disease and bacteria and everything in it. And um so I just thought since it was recently put into my mind, I thought maybe we should
make sure that they're strategically placed somewhere throughout the village. And I saw Michelle nodding her head. Maybe they have some in toquesta country club. I don't know. We'll go in there. >> But uh you know >> down to Questa Drive.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Several >> they do. Okay. And then but maybe there's none on Old Dixie or something, you know. I don't know. But that's that's why I put it here. And maybe on the other hand, maybe every neighborhood is covered. I don't know.
>> So So does he have um budget currently to pay for these stations? Well, he he told me he was going to order two for me. I looked online and they're about $400 a pop, not counting
the labor to put them in. Um, so I I guess, you know, in most cities, $400 is like, you know, the cost of you and me going in and get a cup of coffee somewhere. I mean, it's not it's a drop in the bucket. Mhm. >> But if the program already exists and it
just requires calling public works to request one for an area that's in need of it >> or make sure they have a sufficient budget to fulfill the other >> populated areas. I can tell you that there's a lot of dog walkers up and down to Questa Drive. I see them quite often.
They use those those receptacles a lot. >> Oh, good. That's good. >> I definitely see the value in it. Okay. So, we're now >> So, it seems like some of these we we definitely are four, but it's
they're not um budget request related, right? >> Mhm. >> Number four, >> number six, and seven aren't budget items. >> No, number four is definite budget item. So, >> so you can
>> the dogway station wouldn't be our it wouldn't be a budget request. >> Uh that was born from us. It would public works. >> Let's say that the council ends up in their strategic planning meetings talking about this just for talking
purpose. Let's say that's what they do. >> And then they may they may say to the director of public works and such may okay what areas do you not do this in? And he might say well we don't have any on old Dixie Highway or something like that or we don't have anything on Dish
Boulevard. Um and they might say, "Well, uh why don't you do that in the upcoming budget?" And then then and then theoretically the whole village is probably covered and then all he has to
do is pick up the waste on a schedule and eventually these garbage things will rust and so on and so forth and they have to be replaced. >> But that's years down the down the road. So, you know, it's not a big expense for them depending on
how big or small the areas that don't have anything end up being. >> Yeah. >> Is it fair to lump our voting into two categories of budget related items and non-budget? because I feel like I'm going to
>> Well, I think uh in general we're for all of these um >> but we have to rank them. >> But the ranking I think would be most um important for the budget required or budget related, >> right? That's what I'm saying.
>> Strategic planning is is is it's really just about the budget itself. Correct. So if if we're voting on, for instance, if we say number six, we can just find YouTube videos and it's free. >> Yeah. >> It would be a wasted vote. >> Yep. >> Mhm. >> Yeah.
>> And and seven really seven as well. >> Sounds free. That's what I'm saying. So to me, those are C's. >> So I just put a little bracket and put free. >> Yeah. Not to educate. Free and educational. >> Okay. But I guess you got to give everything is a letter,
right? >> So some of the things that don't cost any money like a no-brainer used to YouTube. Maybe that's a C. So, I'm putting C's on the free and educationals so I can wait
the other ones. >> And when you're done, please give them to me so we can start tabulating. >> Okay. >> Mr. Hurry up. >> No rush. Yeah, I have to seize the things that I feel will be done anyway.
>> Yeah, I have mine done, Jay. But I tell you, it's a little bit of a Pandora's box at bringing this up, but it's it kind of goes back to Russ's challenge earlier about the right in and about the water quality. Um, it is
just using this example about water quality. Water quality could obviously lead to potential health issues, right, with >> a resident. >> Yeah. >> Is that in the scope of the environmental committee? >> I think so. I mean by the environment I
>> So I mean so there's two things I mean >> it's important. I'm just trying to understand it >> cuz I think there are many other things that potentially could be >> drug into this health issue. >> So I mean there's two things. I mean you there's obviously a strategic planning
ask for budget but there is also environmental committee support for key issues right so the PAS issue if you all think that that is the number one environmental issue that the council should focus on you can put that as a
and I'd hate to spoil Jill Jill put that as as an A as a write in. So if if you want to, you can do that. And when Brad goes and presents the council, he'll say, you know, hey, we've got four or five key initiatives, you know, they re
the EAC really wants you to support everything that Allison and the water utilities is doing related to PAS. >> My thought is quality of water should be everybody's concern. Mhm. >> I mean, I want to be able to put my
glass under the sink and just be able to drink that water. It's a luxury that some places don't have. And I think that we could easily I could I'll speak for myself easily get behind doing whatever it takes for our village to have that.
It's a it's a huge bonus >> and and I think it's uh I think it's >> number one in my book. Yes. I could drop everything else on >> human human health. >> Yes. Yeah. >> So, but the the logic train goes like
this if I can just be real quick. So, knowingly or unknowingly, mankind created things that had these bad things in them that entered the environment, >> right? >> And now, because of that, it's entering
our bodies and affecting potentially human health. So, so the the original problem was that it in it just invaded the environment. Okay. So, it is an environmental issue. It's it's it's
cause originates with an environmental issue. And you know, maybe DuPont didn't really know that that happened or you know, but it at this point it's irrelevant except for liability purposes. But uh it it originally
environmental. >> So >> So can I follow the logic train a little further? Here's where my mind went. If if what you guys say is the environmental focus, right? It should it should include water and health related
items. Then I think there's a whole host of other things that are out there >> that should be perhaps prioritized way above many of the things we currently have on our list today. I I'll tell you a quick little personal story. I I'll
make it very quick. A a very very close friend of mine for over 30 years. He just had his birthday a couple weeks ago and I reached out to him and you know happy birthday. He lives in Texas. I hadn't seen him in a while. He told me he was diagnosed with Parkinson's, but he didn't want any sympathy. He didn't want me to tell anybody. It was kind of
a very personal thing for him. And and I said, "Wow, you know, that's interesting. I don't know anything about that disease. I'm going to study it a little bit." I happened to take a long uh cross-country drive. And so, I had like 19 hours in the car to listen to all different types of material. And I
learned about this brand new study that came out just months ago about tying Parkinson's disease. 89% of Parkinson's is man-made and it many of them come from these chemicals that we're talking about here. And one of the interesting studies they quoted was a study that
just came out in May of this year about how how living in the proximity of golf courses >> can escalate your uh your Parkinson's potential Parkinson's beyond any other correlative topic. and they talked about
the insecticides and pesticides that are used continually. And so I'm bringing this up because again, you know, we've got we've got golf courses in and around our community and we got people that live in proximity to these. These could be a huge issue and topic for us to
discuss, debate. I'm sure it's going to, you know, create a lot of emotion, a lot of different ways. Um, but it was very interesting and eye opening to me and this is something I learned since our last, you know, our last visit together. Um, and it it all came from just trying to understand what my friend was going
through. >> So, let me just say this. So, I I think I I like the way you're thinking. Um, I when I was in grad school, I I got an environmental philosophy um certificate as part of my degree. And in one of the
classes, one of the things that we were learning was not to separate the nature side of things from the human side of things. Right? So if you think nature is separate from from humanity, then that's part of the problem that creates environmental issues,
>> right? >> And so if you see humans as natural, >> right, and you see things that are bad for nature are also bad for humans, that's a better way to look at it. >> Yeah. Yeah. I like it. >> And to your point, I 100% agree. There
are issues like that. Um I don't think it affects these items today. This is for our 2026 strategic year. That's an issue that let's get into that during the 2026 and and gather information and go for because there's others as well.
But to both of your points, you know, what's in our environment is affecting us and it's not natural and >> well what you're I mean the things you're mentioning are those are water quality issues too. >> Yes. >> Right. So those are all things that are affecting water quality both both in terms of drinking water but also the
stuff that the stuff that's affecting the drinking water is also affecting the water quality of the natural. >> Right. Correct. >> And it just wasn't about um you're contracting it through water. There are many other means of contracting it but but water is definitely
a common thing there. Anyway, I think I think that if if this, you know, is opening up and I don't necessarily disagree. If this is opening up the scope of what we should be debating, I think is really going to challenge us next year to, you know, create an agenda items that perhaps even hit a little
closer to home. >> Agree. >> Yeah, >> I agree. You know, Russ Russ may remember this, but years ago when EAC was first created, they wanted it came up, you know, what are they doing on Tquesta Country Club Golf Course, you
know, >> and so I got tasked with contacting the golf course and so and the country club itself. They never even responded. You could leave them a phone message, no call back, no response to email,
nothing. >> So, >> it's hard. >> Maybe we need to check governmental documents. It assuming they have to report what they're doing to some government. Maybe the thing to do is track down what that data is that
they're submitting to that government. They're not submitting it to to Quest. as far as that >> they won't speak about >> horses in the state of Florida and all that going into our water. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> All right.
I know >> this might take a bit to to add up by the chair. >> Do do you guys want to have us just calculate them and then provide you the results after the meeting or do you want to stick around and wait? >> How long is it going to take?
>> How long is it going to take? I'm not going to argue with anyone when they're done. So, >> I feel good not done later. >> All right. Well, >> did you finally break down and buy a computer?
>> No, my it finally died on me. >> I was forced clips on >> I was telling Michelle this thing, my old one died and I dropped my phone in the ocean. So it's completely
>> dark technology wise. So um we can that's about it. So any other agenda items, future agenda items, other matters. No. Okay.
>> Then uh someone could make a motion to >> you know let me say this two things. PAFS are many many residents at the Questa may not be aware of that subject matter at all but when they do become aware and
they will sooner or later become aware we might I don't know what we should do but I mean if we were start if we were to start putting stuff uh a public service announcement of some
kind that was, you know, insane smoke signals. Well, that's like, you know, adding fuel to the fire because then they'll start panicking and come in here with pitchforks and torches at the council maybe threatening to hang somebody. But the uh it seems see
it behooves people in government to always be one step ahead of the wave because for example uh the living shoreline ordinance that adopted okay that's a I think we all
agree that's a good thing right but trust me one of these days a property owner is going to go off off the deep end when he sees, okay, I've got to jump this hurdle and that hurdle
and this hurdle in order to be able to have just an everyday seaw wall. And you know, he or she might be able to stir up other property owners. And it's good to be ahead of the
curves. In other words, telling the public the the the the value and the benefits of living shorelines. well before a clamity occurs with, you know, property owners that are, you know, going off the deep
end over things. Um, so it's just something to always think about. So, I'm not saying PAFS may not be the proper subject because we don't want to scare the Jesus off out of people, but we need to be thinking proactively so that we're
ready and ahead of the thing when it when the wave of concern finally hits this building. >> Yeah. So specifically with regard to the living shoreline um you know it's the reason we had la last or this past March
we had the educational seminar >> um and I think it was published in smoke signals once maybe twice >> right >> um so you know if there's something in addition to that from an education
standpoint >> that's why >> or just keep doing Yeah, keep doing that. But that's why I'm thinking about videos and I'll look at YouTube because you know the particularly the younger generation >> they absorb information through video
whereas they might not when they're reading a piece of paper. >> So the uh results of the current testing when will those be >> available? Allison, I'm sorry. Do >> I have to walk up there? No. No.
>> Um before the end of the year. We had to rush the results so we got them in time for the settlement claim. So they'll be ready before the end of the year. >> Okay. Um >> when do we have access to that? >> Um as soon as they come through, I can put some information together. I don't I
mean I could send you just the report, but it's easier to digest if I put something together for you and kind of perspective on what they were before and what they are now. Yeah, talking like June time frame you're anticipating the >> January we could have something pulled together for the results of the recent
testing the report the water the master plan that'll probably be around June July. Yes. >> Okay. >> But the the well testing can probably be pulled together by January. >> That would be outstanding if you know it doesn't have to be a a big formal presentation but just you know give us
an idea of of the results of those tests. Appreciate it. And is that something that would be appropriate to um it obviously you'll share it with council but um is
that should that be how should I put it common information? In other words, should the the citizens of Tquesta um or do they have access to those results? So we don't have like an online
database where we keep results at. The well field testing data is not required to be publicized to the public and I think it also may be misleading because the the concentrations will be higher than what's in the finished water. So
some people it may kind of spark some um concern with some people even though it shouldn't in some situations. Um but we are required to put our finished water testing on our water quality report. that's published every year. So that's published by uh I believe it's by July
1st of every year for the prior year >> is when we're required to publish it and then report it to >> Yeah, I think I've seen those too. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Make a motion to >> Sorry. Oh,
folks. Number one >> envelope, please. >> We have number two, budget to expand tree and non-tree landscaping to toquesta streetscapes. Number two, budget to establish a living
shoreline program that provides incentives. And in a tie at number three, we have we have the amnesty day tied with PAS. So, you could kind of just pick a top
three priorities to to pitch to council. And then of course you can kind of mention your secondary ones. Uh number one, the storm water issue finished one point behind the number three. So there was kind of a kind of a top five.
>> What was the >> What was the second item that tied for number three? >> Amnesty day. >> Amnesty. >> Amnesty day and a write in for PAS. >> Oh, okay. >> So those were tied for three and then the fifth fifth one would have been number one.
Right. So, if there's two that are tied for three, then then there's a fifth place. >> Do you not? >> I'm a little slow today. Maybe just say >> if there's two that are three, then there's no fourth place. It just jumps to fifth place, right?
>> Okay. Thank you for that. >> Sorry, >> it's a little melted in there today. So then just to make sure we're all clear, tree and non-tree was number one, >> right? Living shoreline number two. >> Yep. >> Uh tie for number three and the CMP
fast. >> Yep. >> And so that would make it number five, storm water giant sides. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Okay. >> Motion. >> I make a motion to adjurnn.
>> Second. All those in favor? >> I motion carries. Thank you. Alison, >> I have a question for you. >> Anyway, Yeah, that's a big Is there any children