Are there copies of the table? I can't access >> Oh, yes. Hey Jill. So Mr. Free live now. >> Jill annual gift. >> Sorry. >> Chair freeze.
>> Oh chair. >> Okay. So I'll call to order the uh meeting for the environmental advisory committee. Today is August 13, 2025 at 2 p.m. Uh, can we do a roll call? >> Brad Fes >> here. >> Thomas Bradford >> here.
>> Russ Redmond. >> Clay Damon. >> Jill Went >> here. >> Michelle Shouse >> here. >> Leave K >> here. Okay. Um, approval of the agenda. Any,
uh, changes you want to make to the current agenda? If not, >> I make a motion to approve the agenda as submitted. >> Second, >> all those in favor? >> I
Okay, motion carries. Um, no citizens. So, skip down to presentations. >> Good afternoon. Jay Hop, community development director. So, just we wanted to follow back up to um Bud Howard's
presentation where he he talked a little bit about storm water maintenance and kind of some code enforcement issues that he had observed. So, wanted to give you guys a little bit of an overview of that. I'm going to give the presentation. However, the the brains in the room are right there. Wayne Cameron,
he's our building official. Uh building official um who uh you know manages all of our construction site maintenance. So, um, if you have any questions, direct them at him. Um, but, uh, yeah, just kind of an overview of of protecting water quality during
construction. So, it's important for erosion and sediment control, right? If if the sediment and erosion is uh kind of running freely, it can get in the the waterways and uh carry runoff and pollutants into the water bodies. Um it
also can um you can get pollutants um like chemicals from construction sites, fuels, materials, etc. So if they're not stored properly, they can leak into into our storm water system as well. And again, of course, the nutrients like fertilizers and other materials.
So what do we do for construction site maintenance? Um we do have a code section about it. Um I believe you you updated that recently, correct? Yeah. >> Uh within the past year or so, Wayne's been here almost two years and and
updated this pretty quickly. So, um we require a temporary construction fence on all construction sites. Um all building construction sites shall be kept free of loose debris, paper, construction material waste. Uh all materials and equipment are to be maintained within the perimeter of the
building site and construction containers shall be provided for on-site debris and shall have covering to prevent spilling of materials and if there are violations they need to be remedied within 24 hours. If not remedied work is to cease immediately and not commence until inspection by the
building official. Uh so fencing requirements the site must be completely enclosed. The fence is required to be 6 ft high chain link with screening material. Um all all items and construction items are supposed to be within the construction fence with the during the
construction process. Sill fencing is is a big one though. So we technically do not require silt fencing by code. However, Wayne, >> it is part of the construction site manual, part of the permitting that they
put up screening. It's not in the code, but it's a policy. >> It's a policy. Yeah, it's a policy that Wayne uses, but it's technically not in the code. So, if someone were to really push back, I don't know. >> They could. >> Yeah, they could. Uh, but they typically
don't. Um but just for the sake of um you know being keeping everything clean and and legal um we would prefer to have that in the code just to you know just to be safe. Um the code the the village also participates in the national pollutant
discharge elimination system program NDPES. Um if you violate this there are all kinds of um code enforcement violations we can go after people for. Um when Wayne and I were at North Palm, we we had to hammer a gas station really hard
on something once. Um it got pretty ugly. Um fortunately, we haven't had to do anything like that here, but if if there is ever any kind of prohibited discharge or anything, um Wayne definitely knows how to handle it. And but it's really a matter of code enforcement, right? If if if a if
pollution happens and nobody knows about it, we can't we can't violate it. Just like if someone's dealing drugs and our police department doesn't know, they can't enforce that toxic and hazardous materials. Um, code section 3174 outlines a generic
substance list that prohibited materials. Um, it applies the construction sites, all residential properties. Um, so you're you're technically not even allowed to throw these out in your trash because they're you have to get rid of them in a special way. And I think uh Chair Freeze maybe
had some recommendations for for things that we could actually add to this list that aren't currently on it. So swailes um we actually really are fortunate to have a a great swale system. So a lot of cities have curb and gutter where the the water is just
flowing right in from the curb right into the right into the uh storm water system and it's not you're not able to trap and filter pollutants as well through those type of systems. So we are lucky that that our um most of our our catch basins are inside the swale. So
the water is getting cleaned and filtered a little bit before they even hit the the system. Um but the swale system does need cooperation for from residents to function properly. Um over time if you if your grass clippings build up or if you're parking cars in the swale, you can degrade the kind of
the retaining capacity of it. And I think right now we are we are doing some work to kind of recut and rebuild some of our swailes. So that is in process. But um this is a little kind of thing here about what you can do to kind of save your swailes and protect the
swailes. And if the the EAC is interested in doing any kind of educational stuff about the soil system, um it's always a always a good thing for for the residents to be aware of of the importance of the swailes and what they can do to maintain it and preserve it.
So current practices, so our um utilities department is really our storm water management. Um they they manage our storm water system. So, a lot of my presentation has been just focused on what we do during construction projects, but they there's a whole another level
of storm water management that they do. There's a whole another level of storm water management requirements when people are doing projects that we haven't really touched on. Um, but one thing, you know, a few things I wanted to kind of highlight. They do the storm water inlet marking program. It's called
SWIM. So, a lot of communities do this. So, um, you see the little buttons there. The problem with that though is so there's one that's on it's on to Quest to drive right before you get to the bridge if you're heading west but
the the storm water inlet drain is actually in the swale so you can't really see it from the street and the button is kind of small so you also can't see it. So, um those type of button systems work on curb and gutter because people are you're walking right
next to the to the um the gutter. So, I have a later slide where I'm suggesting that maybe we could put some signs up that are actually vertical um to to kind of highlight that. Um the storm water or utilities
department also provides educational materials. They they put stuff in the newsletter. Um smoke signals online about storm water runoff. Um, here's some other examples of kind of what some other communities do. Again, they're they're always kind of
horizontal to the ground and with ours being kind of hidden, it's kind of hard to see. So, that's why I wonder if maybe we could even do some vertical some small vertical signs somewhere. So, in looking at this, um, I have a few staff recommendations. Um, one of them
was to even create create a campaign along the lines of only rain down the drain just to educate people because a lot of people don't even understand that. Um, I actually had an interesting conversation with a local resident who's a storm water expert and I said, "So, I
live in Abakoa and we have a lot of um oaks and oak leaves and I said, I noticed that the oak leaves when when there's a a lot of rain, I see just pure brown chocolate milk going into the storm drain. Is that I'm like, is that
hitting the Lockxahhatchee? And is it impacting our the water clarity of the Lockxahhatchee?" She said, "Very likely." Um, so a lot of people don't even understand things like that, right? That just even having um yard clippings, which also do have nutrients in them.
Um, but there's there's just all kinds of ways that um you know, if you pour if you if you pour your coke out in a in a public uh shopping center in the in the parking lot, that's going to get into the Lockahhatche River and in some way. So, um I think we could probably do a
little bit of work there, creating some kind of awareness campaign. Um like I said, maybe create some some like vertical or raised signage near the storm drains. Um or, you know, put signs somewhere throughout the village about that
on Wayne um does a construction site policy handout. Anytime someone's doing a construction project, it has a lot of best practices for for the construction project. Um, I I know he doesn't love this because it's it's already a busy document, but I think we could probably
add a page just about the environmental issues, you know, don't dump hazardous waste, what to do with with your pool, um, you know, with with pool discharges, you know, all those kind of things. Um, I think we could also update the code to
require silt vences on construction projects. However, the state just passed a bill called Senate Bill 180. Tom's nodding his head. It's it's one of the biggest step
oversteps of state government in in long time, but they've basically said that governments cannot adopt any any code provision that's more restrictive than what's in the current code until October of 2027.
But the other issue is it backdated it to August of 2024. So I will get to that later. I'm going to talk about that later too, >> but I'm not positive if we would even be able to put the silk fence stuff in the code now because of that. We'll we can
talk about it. Um and then another thing is um coordinating a hazardous waste disposal event. I don't know if is does anyone remember those type of things happening where where uh like a lo local trash people will come and they'll say, "Hey, it's Saturday morning. Come drop off all your old paint cans and all your
old your old stuff." They put them together and then they take them somewhere. I think Jeremy Allen said he he doesn't recall us having one in recent memory. And so maybe maybe we could coordinate one of those, have it at Constitution Park or somewhere and just everyone drop their stuff in >> your documents that you presented that
it's in the >> village. I don't know if it's uh code or >> it has happened before. >> It's in here. >> I remembered either late 90s early 2000s and I don't I remember taking my junk
and having giving it to them. I don't remember where that was, but it was like either Toquesta Park or some nearby. >> Yeah, >> Questa Park. Yeah, Tquesta Park is probably a better location than Constitution just for for parking purposes. And >> I like the way they did the shredding
event though because you just pull in and >> it's like a drive-thru. >> Yeah. >> And it worked well. >> I mean, >> what was it they did? >> The shredding event where they shred all your papers. >> Oh, yeah. and then they take them away. Thanks. >> It's possible. I see you really.
>> This is in the code of ordinances um article five toxic and hazardous materials section 3171. It says it's the intent of the village to properly regulate the use blah blah blah toxic toxic materials and provide
periodic relief in the form of an amnesty program in order to allow residents to properly dispose of toxic and hazardous substances. So, it's in here. You just got to do it. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> It's good that it's in there. But that the it's a great concept because it's a little deterrent to store that stuff in your garage until you're ready to go all the way down to Palm Beach Gardens. >> Yeah.
>> I mean, I have a bunch of lithium ion batteries sitting in my garage. >> Yeah. >> And you know, people are bagging it up, putting it in their regular trash out of convenience. It's It feels like driving one of those giant gasoline tank trucks where you think it's going to blow up on you before you get to the S SWA sites.
>> And with all the construction going on right now, it's probably a good time to >> to do that to give relief to some people, you know, with the remodeling and >> right >> project. So, if that's been done before, maybe we can find how they did it because the concept like you just
mentioned of making it very easy. Here's two dates a year. Drive in, drop off. That would be fabulous. >> Yeah, >> because we're the >> I think it would work well if we did it similar to the shredding event. I mean, >> I would participate. >> I would, too.
>> Make some room in my garage. >> So, later in the agenda is um the presentation Brad's supposed to give to council where he's going to make recommendations and kind of throw out some ideas. So, that might be a good one to to add to that list for later on. >> Um Before we move on, can on that second
to last point about the uh Senate bill and the stilt fences, >> is there is this the only way that we can have enforcement authorization is through code? Does policy hold any authority whatsoever?
Paul hopefully the ordinances um are or the way that should there be resistance then you at least have a special magistrate conduit to to to go down on a policy it doesn't give you that doesn't have the teeth that's
basically it >> okay >> do you really get push back from people >> I think you both have >> uh are thinking out of the box which is good because Um, this is a this is a
horrible bill. If you love your local municipality and you want it to be able to thrive and react properly to things, they just take it just took it away from us. >> Yeah. And so, so you know, can you just have it be a policy if it I don't
remember what I what the legislation says, but if they were wise in their evil minds, they would have said can't make a code change, can't make a policy change, can't do this, can't do that. But if they didn't do that, well, then you
might have the option of saying our policy is for the time being X and get around it. And I I think if something is a current policy or it's in the comprehensive plan, you can put it in your code. So we could probably say that
that it's it's a current policy that we're just putting we're just codifying. >> So as long >> Yeah. >> Yeah. As long as you're comfortable with that, we could we could probably do that. >> And it's been going up policy goes up with the permit. So every permit package already has the policy of the
construction site and what the requirements are. That's why you see the construction sites now have those screw fences up that wasn't there before um and the stabilization all of that was done um to to as a policy.
>> So then I have another slide here. This is my last one which is just EC's recommendations. I know Brad had a few ideas, so you guys. >> Um, so one thing I looked at in the current code was, uh, and I, it's probably a question
for way, is it Wayne? Wayne, I'm sorry. >> It's section 78395. Shoreline construction is tit. And it and I I remember we reviewed this when we were
uh when the EAC was early on created, but it says section subsection B that there has to be a 10-foot lowmaintenance zone which is mandatory for any property being constructed on
the waterfront. And so it goes on to say things like you can't fertilize that area, you can't do a this, you can't do that, and so on and so. So my question for Wayne is when let's use River Drive as an example.
Somebody comes along and they're building a new home, are you enforcing or creating and making them have the low maintenance zone? Because this says it's mandatory >> 10 foot from at W's edge.
That's on the shoreline ordinance if I'm not mistaken. Um, and I I don't remember if river is on that. There was some exceptions to that that when the canals I believe didn't
have to abide by that if I remember correctly. >> I don't remember. I had this ready two months ago and that >> Yeah, I have to I have to research that and come back with Jay. >> This is this is a separate this is a separate section from our shoreline
code. The living shorelines code we did. >> So when we're >> this is this is in our landscape code. >> I can say that I've seen it in the landscaping. The residential has come through with the landscaping plan and we've called out the low maintenance zone fertilizer. >> Okay.
But it sounds like my recollection is it means it's in perpetuity. It's not necessarily just during construction. Construction, you know, I I don't know why we don't require if you're on the waterfront of any kind and there's new constru. Why
not have at least a temporary burn between construction and the water that would you know have it percolate before it got into the water body. Um but uh my take on on that section was
okay that has to be maintained by the property owner in perpetuity. They can't put fertilizer there. They can't put insecticide, pesticide, >> but there should be that would also border on elicit discharge into the waterway as well if that's what's happening. So, we're not permitting
discharge from the private property into the inner coastal waterway or even the lagoon. Um, so you have your seaw walls that's going up and you can't drain into that. You've got to retain your water on your property. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, I'll have to look at that and see. >> Okay. >> Um, >> so >> if that's taking place there. >> So, yeah, this is this would be I think an Alice thing because it's it's in the landscape plan. Alice has a a lot of the zoning reviews for for the building department. Um,
yeah, that's in place. >> Yeah, we'll circle back with that one. >> And it's in perpetuity. You're correct. >> Yeah, I thought so. >> Tom, what's that code section again? Uh >> 39 78 395 >> 395 >> 78 395
>> So you're still looking for other recommendations? So my recommendation is we we look into this and see if we need to start enforcing it or if we're not whatever, you know. >> That's a good one. >> Yeah. Okay. So, one of the things that I
highlighted in the construction site policy, um, I mean, at least the way I read it, uh, excluded, uh, the fencing. So, we were saying you need a completely closed construction site with fencing, six foot tall, etc.
Um, but it looks like it's not required for properties that abut to the water. uh whether it be the Ocean Air Coastal or Lockxahhatchee. Um why is that? I just I I didn't understand it. I mean, from a public
safety standpoint, it's not a continuous fence trying to keep people out of the construction zone. Um I just it caught my eye and I was just wondering why
if there was a reason behind it. the the the people coming from the inter coastal onto the private property wasn't as much as a concern and also the fact is that it becomes difficult for them to
construct with a construction fence blocking the rear when they're building the seaw wall and building everything else. So from a construction standpoint it became or it's more of a hindrance than anything else once you have a fence at that point. Um the the the silt
fence, however, is still the requirement. The six foot construction part was the part that was um allowed to go on the base on but you still need a silt fence uh all the way around. >> Okay. Cuz debris, whatever goes on the
neighbors or whatever. No, that that silk fence goes all the way around. >> Okay. Yeah. And the silt So yeah, that that was basically I forget his name. the gentleman that came in here and did a presentation um from the Oxache River
>> but he's going to kill me. I forgot his name. Um he witnessed garbage from a construction site blowing into the Locka Hatchee. Although it wasn't exactly clear where that was taking place. It might have been on the Jupiter side of
Riverside and not to Questa. But um nonetheless, it uh was something that he brought to our attention. That's the kind of the reason I highlighted that. But you're saying the silt fencing is all the way around. >> All right.
>> Um, does anyone have questions? >> Are we >> I don't know what EAC recommendations for what based off of this presentation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Or related. I think I think Brad you had you had let me see >> well you had them on the agenda under four and five. >> Yeah. >> You had you had a followup for construction site management environmental impacts and then one for storm water control and toxic hazardous materials.
There were some recommendations in there. So we can always just jump jump down to those agenda items and then talk about those recommendations. >> Yeah. But I would like maybe some feedback on on these ones. So it sounds like
>> let's do this then. >> Sounds like there's definitely some interest in doing the hazardous waste event. >> Yes. >> When we do our next code update, which we have a lot of things to update, we'll we'll see if we can legally put the silt fence requirement in the code.
>> Um education on the important importance of swailes and storm drain awareness. >> Yeah. i.e. the vertical signs. >> Yeah. >> Only rain down the drain is a good catchy easy slogan. >> And I have to say those silk fences all
the time I just see them laying on the ground. >> Yeah. >> I don't see them, you know, they're just within a few weeks they're just laying there. They're not really doing their job. Um >> they're not installed in a way to be permanent. So they're very susceptible
to the wind. >> Correct. >> Yeah. So, I don't know if there's a better alternative to that or than just those little stakes with the silk fencing. It It doesn't seem to hold up. Um I'm so glad that we've put into place
the sixoot fence all the way around. That's made a huge difference. Um you saw on River Drive in Tquesta Country Club, there's a house. It's close to Gosh, I should know the street number. It's close to the dock across the street
um >> on golf view. >> Uh no on river and it >> they took the fence down because they put in beajia grass. So that was that's that's kind of nice. Now hopefully they'll keep it mowed.
And then on Palmetto >> on Palmetto um those two empty lots have nothing but they are nicely graded now. So, I don't know if those are supposed to have silt fencing or not, but just some things I noticed >> that one those those two little palmetto
um will be taking down the silk fence since it's going to be saw it's going to be the >> and just like 116 that you just referred to. He just took that fence down. He was again going to build it. >> Yeah, >> it's good to you know then that hold down any debris
to recent tear down. >> Well, probably that might have been a year ago already that they were torn down now, right? close to >> almost it's like eight eight months. >> Eight months. Yeah. >> Yeah. Right next to each other. >> William, what can residents do if they see sill fences down? Can they contact
the building department and have >> Yeah. If this if the seat fence isn't down, by all means, it's the contractor's responsibility to make sure that they're maintain that during the construction. Okay. >> Throughout the construction process. >> Sure. >> So, yeah. >> Are they routinely um reviewed for
enforcement? like >> um maintaining substances. >> Is that something you or your team would >> if we see if we see it out there when we're out there? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Then we'll we'll bring it to the contractor's attention. Um it's almost like parking. >> Yeah.
>> Tell them move the car. Move the car. You leave come back. >> Is there currently in place uh a time frame that they have to build >> from the time material takes place? Yeah. So, six months >> that they have to start.
>> You have to submit a permit. Okay. >> You have to submit a permit. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> In regard to storm drain communications, the um I believe that in the Questa Country Club and in Tquesta Pines,
typically the inlet is surrounded by or the the uh the steel grate is fits into a concrete structure >> and the width of the structure is sufficient, you know, probably four,
five, six inches wide. It's sufficient for that emblem >> that says, you know, do not put this in the drain. It's big enough for that to be there. Um, in addition, what they do
in my neighborhood is that the uh the elevation of the entrance into the inlet is raised up four, five, six inches above the grade of the swale, which in a
heavy rainfall uh unless it's a super heavy rainfall, it will simply the water in the swale will rise up, but it doesn't rise up high enough to go into the inlet and end up into the river, which is uh which is
how we constructed the system that's on the north side of Tquesta Drive between Seabbrook and the bridge back in the 1990s. Made sure that their elevation was above the grade of the swale to get longer
turn percolation. Does it does it spill over into the roadway though? >> Uh, no. Once it gets to a certain height, I mean, they have the engineers have to say, "Okay, here's the here's the uh the lowest level of the road and here's the swailes and the slope and
etc. They have to based upon the drainage requirements and whatnot, they figure all that out. They don't make it go too high, don't make it go too low. And it it uh we had residents come into the council meeting back in the 90s and
said, "Why did you make it go up that high?" And then we would explain it's for percolation and then they say, "Okay." But uh uh but that that's not why I'm bringing it up. It's typically those concrete structures are large enough to handle the message.
But I know there's a lot of uh inlets that aren't built with that con concrete structure. And therefore, we do need to do more and all new ones probably need to be in a concrete structure so that the emblem can be there to remind people you can't
put uh hazardous materials or clippings in there. You know, another thing to think about is now think about who the typical landscaping workers are. Should it be in Spanish as well as
English? >> Just just saying >> for just symbols. I mean, it could be something and go all the way around instead. >> That's possible. >> Do do we have any evidence that signage reduces
>> pollution? >> It's a good question because It just seems like some of these examples, people that aren't complying, right? And like do they care that there's a sign there, they if someone wants to intentionally dump or is this are we
just making ourselves feel good that it feels like the right thing to do, but maybe it's not going to make a material difference in the result? >> I think it's the only reason I ask is maybe our energy and money ought to be maybe spent in a different direction. >> Yeah.
any form of education it does because somebody walks by and says, "Oh, I didn't think of that." But the intentional person, >> you're never going to. >> But I think most people think dumping is like the paint, the fuel, the fertilizers, the things that we all know
you shouldn't. But like you brought up the landscape debris. Nobody's thinking that that's harmful. >> Yeah. >> So >> nutrients from grass is one of the biggest, >> right? So, how that how do we get that out there for people? >> Yeah, I guess my question is do we see
we have evidence that people are dumping that in the drains? >> Yeah, we do. >> Or is it or is it unintentional like they dump it nearby and it runs in there? >> You know, a lot of people use mulch lawnmowers and uh so that those
clippings end up being in the in the grass, >> right? >> The remaining grass and it can easily wash into an inlet, >> right? I get that. I would guess most of our community wouldn't categorize that as dumping. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Or a violation in any way. >> They probably Hey, that's that's natural
stuff, right? That's supposed to be helpful, right? >> I don't know. I'm just >> No. It is an educational opportunity when there's something there. >> I think it just I think it makes you think twice. I mean, I was just in Santa Barbara for spring break last year and
on their inlets, they had that. And so when when this conversation came back up with Bud Howard, I immediately thought back to that because it resonated with me. I mean, I saw it. I'm like, "Wow, they're they're taking a stance here." And I think I think similarly, it just it's like with with the kids especially
if if you grow up, you're playing in the street your whole life in Tqua. When you're 16, 17, 18, it's just ingrained in you. You know, you know that. And if you see your friend dumping their Mountain Dew on the street, you say, "Go, are you an idiot? Yeah, right.
>> There's a garbage can. >> It does. It is an educational opportunity because I remember the first time I ever saw one decades ago and keep us of things. >> I never thought about that. >> I'm not saying it's a bad thing in >> it's not going to hurt us.
>> Yeah. >> I'm just wondering if is it really going to help us as much as we we want or is there some other >> mechanisms to do that? >> And I don't know what those are. Unfortunately, I don't have a good solution to fulfill it. Yeah. I mean, and I think the the cost
to do some additional signage would be pretty pretty minimal and the >> So, I'm not saying that we should just launch an allout campaign and >> print t-shirts and stuff, but you know, put a few things in the newsletter and um over time just do it, right? And I'll
think of an example. So, I used to live in Jacksonville, where I'm from, and their police department had a thing called the nine, it was like the nine o'clock something, and they post on their Facebook like once a week, and it was to lock your car at 9:00 because that's where thieves get get guns out of
cars at 9:00. But it was done so much over such a long period of time that everybody knew to just lock their cars. And so things like that, I think when you do it, when you create a little campaign, only rain down the drain, people see it once or twice, they're annoyed by it, and then they see it the
10th time and they're annoyed by it, but then it just becomes becomes kind of a way of life. And >> maybe that signage the I'm trying to think of something better than you because I'm trying to think aesthetically as well. Perhaps it's something artistic looking, not
expensive, but it might something would only rain down the drain. I don't know. Maybe it's a fish. And it says only rain down the drain on the fish instead of just a sign. >> Yeah. >> Something interesting. >> Yeah. I think you showed some examples there like that.
>> Yeah. So that one like the one that says drains to Pearl River. Like I mean if it just said >> this goes to the Lockahhatchee River like >> that that's impactful. Do you like >> most people probably don't know that, right? That it goes into the river, >> right?
>> Yeah. >> Yes. That's a good one. Too bad we don't have such a long name to put on there. >> Yeah. See, the one in the top corner has the only rain down the drain thing. >> One of the other things that we we talked about early on in the life of the
EAC was that u yes those like on let's use river river drive as an example. If the water gets into those inlets on river drive it goes straight to the river. Everybody knows that. Okay. But
it doesn't have to be that way per se. You there are devices uh and filtration systems that will stop all of that from happening. In other words, it'll filter the water. It'll filter the debris, the clippings and so forth. But it, you
know, it entails two additional things. One is money and two somebody has to go out there and you know maintain them. You got to clean them. you got to do with this, you got to do with that. Um, but it can be made better so that the
impact when something does happen is almost minuscule. >> I think it's brings huge value. >> Yeah. >> I mean, if the money is there, if we could get some way to make it happen. >> Yeah, that's a whole secondary
conversation that we would need Margery from utilities here for like BA baffle boxes. There's a lot of I think Brad referenced some of them. There's a lot of environmental solutions that are out there. That's a secondary discussion >> to know what the cost involved.
>> Is that is that one of our recommendations is to >> Yes. >> suggest we have a conversation like that. >> I know at that time now we're going back to 2019, early 2020, Jupiter was doing it
>> in certain areas. I think it was on Center Street. Don't hold me to that. I think they got a grant for this test trial period that they were doing. You might also be able to get a grant from the Lock Hatche River District to to you
know just do it on one or two of them or something to see how it >> Yeah. >> what all it takes to make it happen and keep it maintained properly. >> I think we should point >> our new deputy utilities director came from Jupiter so I think she's familiar with what they've done there. So, we
could we could probably have a follow-up discussion. They'd have to give them some they're going to have to have some time to prepare for it, but in the future, we could have them come out and talk about some options >> and and storm water management in general. Right. So, this this was mostly focused today on just kind of the um
almost the code enforcement side or the public awareness side, but um if you wanted to talk a little bit more about the actual storm water management system and >> doing it, making it >> Yeah. making it more green and we could we could do that. >> I don't know if anyone would know the
answer to this question, but I did see um some village to Questa employees sucking out from the storm drain. I don't know how often that takes place, but I suspect maybe it's once a year or twice a year or something like that. I
don't know what type of maintenance would be required for some of these drain socks or drain filters. It's probably more often, but >> um it would be something to look into. And I understand the monetary >> uh challenge of something like that, but
a grant would be a a good start at least. >> Yeah. And if that's something also if that's something that you're interested in discussing, you might want to add that to the list of things to ask council to to look into, right? Because then we've got to exert some staff time and staff
effort. So maybe get some buyin from council at your September presentation, Brad. Um because then then Jeremy Allen can can kind of give Marjorie the go-ahhead to to give a presentation to you and put some effort into it.
>> Yeah. Okay. Is that any more recommendations? EAC. >> Um, you had some here that are attached in our agenda. >> So, let me just scroll down to that
because the first one you had rewrite of paragraph two and inserted the words environment and locks river. I thought that those were good
additions to qualify the definition. That's item number one on your >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, that would just be a rewrite and it would have to go through an approval process. Correct. >> Just it makes sense to have those in
there. I'm just >> Yeah. >> Yeah. after reading and going through. And then on number three, in event in the event of inadvertent runoff from a construction site, would it be possible to include a provision for the installation of sediment
filtration socks or bags around storm water drains? Is that not already required? >> Go. >> It is. Is it? So is it's okay. >> Oh, it is required. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. the the the two ways it's done is you
can because the um they'll wrap the grate with the screening because you still want the water to drain. You don't want it to be obstructed the roads started flooding. So, um, >> they've got more than one way to do
that. >> Box are one and wrapping the grays is actually mean double wrap is actually the best one because >> the you can still drain, but then the contractor has to go back once it gets too heavy. Clean that off. Otherwise, it defeats the purpose.
>> A lot of places require filtration bags on >> around the edges of the >> right. Okay. And let's see, number four. I think we already addressed that, so that's good. >> Yeah. And there's a a section for uh the
VT policy on hurricanes and construction sites that I didn't I was unaware of, but I made I was made aware of it. >> When a hurricane's coming, Wayne and his team are very busy.
>> I I do have one more question. as it relates to the fencing that goes around these construction sites. Uh in the policy, let's see here. Construction site policy. Uh, a fence shall not be required unless
specifically requested by the building official in order to preserve the public health, safety, and welfare on the side where the property abuts the Atlantic Ocean or inter coastal waterway or where there's sufficient barrier such as another fence, a wall or landscaping
material. What What is the landscaping material? What does that mean? Like a hedge? So depending upon the situation, if they've stripped everything off the property for the construction purposes and they have to put something back in place, uh if
they maintain and not so let's say they're going to keep the seaw wall and they haven't done anything disturbing there and the the vegetation can serve as a barrier, then we can use that. Um I've used the landscaping
um as a barrier in certain cases where for the neighboring property has a 6T uh >> area. Yeah, >> I don't need to put a construction fence, six foot construction fence up there, but I still need my erosion control at the base. >> Yeah. >> So, those kinds of common sense kind of
scenarios. uh we try to utilize that the the >> it's not one sizefits all but trying to get them to be in compliance and say here use you know don't disturb your neighbors try and be considerate and these are methods that they can they can
they can use >> that that same consideration doesn't apply to the silk fences though right >> silk fences you want to keep the fences working no >> because once they're done they're not serving the purpose any so And that makes complete sense if it's
like one big, you know, like a clue to a hedge. >> Um, however, I've seen some construction sites where it's a few plants and if the idea behind a fence to keep out people um, from a
public safety perspective, six foot fence, >> it but there wasn't a fence. It was just like a few plants. It wasn't a hedge. Fair was >> give me the address. I get looked at. >> I can look it up, but it's it's like a
few houses down from mine. They just uh leveled the house that was there. It's on the um golf course side. >> I think it's >> I don't know 76 or I don't know what it is, but it's Fairview West. >> Okay.
>> Um it's on box the golf course, right? >> It's on the golf course. Yeah. >> So, we got 325 and >> that one's >> It's the fourth house in >> Okay. >> on your left. >> I'll take a look at the >> Yeah, I I could pull it up on Google
Maps as well, but it's on the um if you're looking at the property from the road, it's on the left side. >> This Well, you saw the erosion control fence, the silt fence. >> Was that? >> Uh yes, that's there. >> Okay. But I'm just from and this is not environmental really. It's more public
safety I guess with the the six foot fence. Um there's nothing there really keeping anyone out. I mean >> I think Brad was that didn't Bill and Leah just take their fence down and that's why it wasn't there at first.
>> I think their fence is just in the front >> because they you know by code you have to have like six foot privacy fence if you have your boat back there. Okay. >> Um along that side, >> I don't know what was there before with with certainty because
>> it was overgrown and before they tore it right now. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um >> so you might Wayne want to talk to the neighbor and the construction site to see what's going on in >> because a lot of times they start off with the construction fence being six foot fence, but once as it progresses, it becomes an obstruction. It's in the
way like you got the front where the driveway's got to go in now. So they got to take it down and so on. But I do agree with Brad that it's pretty open to walk right into that area. >> We'll take a look at it. I mean, we'll take a look and see what was missing. >> Let's see.
>> Going down to your hazardous materials. You had some suggestions of adding to that list. >> Yeah, I didn't see lithium ion batteries, but I kind of could have missed it. I guess >> that and I didn't see asbestos on it.
Did you add the uh >> I have this? This is your >> This is the list. >> Yeah, this Well, this was Brad's >> is the hazardous waste thing on there. >> The actual list? >> No, I mean the uh you know, like uh the
idea of having some community pickup >> Oh. activity, you know. >> Oh, we were talking about some specific items to add to that list. Yeah, this was these this was Brad's recommendations. >> Yeah. And then
>> I may have missed the lithium ion, but I didn't see it on the list. Um, and maybe some because some of the stuff I I don't think like the lay person is going to know what you know if I could pick one I'm sure here >> you had the >> you know like some of the names and and
the chemicals they're like it would be nice to have maybe examples >> but the floral the floral fluorescent lights and the PCB fluorescent bast I think that's good to have on there because people the more specific items
the better the >> PCBs, you know, maybe people do understand what a PCB is and where it would be in >> their garbage or things that they have around the house. I don't know. >> I don't know. It was just an idea.
>> Well, I the whole list has specific things. So, I think that's more helpful to somebody to determine what for example PCB. So examples like the light bulbs and also like saying I don't see a specific >> mercury and mercury compounds. Okay.
Well, what in my house has mercury in it? >> A thermometer. >> Thermometer. >> No, there's actually a lot more. You know, I don't know. >> It does say generic substances. >> I think these are good examples why that Senate bill is not well thought out,
right? Because there's new risks always coming into our world. modern technology. Lithium ion batteries is not something most people knew about a couple decades ago. Uh and there's I'm sure they're going to be continued innovations that create risk and the
intent of protecting our community against those risk are always going to be there. >> Well, I mean we can >> we can go into uh detail on on these when we get to them. Did we skip item number three under old
business? >> We skipped a lot because it was a it was a timely >> conversations. I don't think we >> No, no, no. We're gonna We're still on the presentation. We're going to go to
uh >> We didn't do the minutes. Oh, >> it was we put this we put this agenda together. It's out of order. >> Okay. >> Well,
>> anything else on the presentation? >> No, guys. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate it. >> Thank you, Wayne. Thank you for your time. >> All right. So, >> next consent agenda. >> Yeah. Onward. um the uh minutes from I
guess it was May. So we missed July and we or we missed June. July was no quorum. So any thoughts, additions, deletions to the
minutes from our meeting May 14th? >> No. >> I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of May 14. I second >> 25. >> All those in favor? >> I >> I. >> Nays. Motion carries. Um, okay. So, that's the end of the
consent agenda, regular business or regular agenda, old business. So, I went to this June 2nd workshop. Um, where this amongst other things, there was some discussion about the open
seat. um when uh when Clay uh left. So um I don't know, I sort of don't remember the nitty-gritty details of the discussion. However, in a general sense,
um it seemed pretty split about um removing the seat. In other words, they do it through attrition. Once someone leaves, that seat would just, I guess, disappear. and uh and pairing um
the AC from a seven to a five seat committee. Um however um I think towards the end of all the discussion they just decided to leave it the way it is. >> You're right. Exactly. So
>> it was a it was a little it was nice >> interesting conversation but uh >> so this committee is a full seven seats >> full seven seats and the latest update I'm sure that uh Jay probably was going to tell you but
last night u in spite of the fact that some of them thought we should only have five members and uh they appointed a new member to our board named name is Drew something >> Drew Henriquez. Um he had a really
impressive um business background. Um so yeah, we had we actually had two applicants too. So when they put something out in the spring, there were no applicants which was why that discussion happened like what do we do with the EAC? There's no applicants. But then this goound we do have two two
really good applicants. they had a hard time but ultimately selected Drew and then now the the person that they didn't select if there happened to be another opening we'll keep her in mind and keep her in the loop for future but uh Drew was out of the country right now so he
couldn't come today but uh assume he'll be at the the next meeting >> so our seat six is filled then >> I can't remember >> they approved it right >> they approved it approved >> so we now have seven seats >> we have seven >> okay so we're
Um, and it was ironic because I kept touting that we've always made quorum and then that following >> we did not make quarm. So anyway, but uh and I think the start time and frequency are kind of I got the feeling they're going
to be left up to us in a way. Um, and I think 2 p.m. has kind of stuck. uh the frequency is dictated mostly on I think the things that we have on the agenda and the things that we need to
discuss. So I I I agree with what you just said but I feel like if we don't meet if we don't try to meet once a month we just sort of start to drift. >> I agree. um you know like and then suddenly we
wake up one day and it's Monday of start of the week and we say oh we got an EHC meeting. So it just seems like the frequency helps at least in my mind it helps me continue to keep focused on environmental things and the things that
were on the agenda and the things that people are saying and so on and so forth. >> Unless in the summer we take June off there's a nice little reprief. >> Yeah. if there's nothing going and and but you we don't have to state that now we just at the time
>> as May comes and we don't have anything important to discuss for June to is that >> yeah I think like between Jay and I sort of like as I put an agenda together sort
of understand okay well this is not much >> and it it may not you know especially if it's during the summer it may not make sense to have a meeting, i.e. June. So, um, you know, yeah, I mean, it's kind of
play it by year, but to your point, I do like having something in the book once a month. Uh, and I think any even if it was once a quarter, I still I think that's not enough >> get things done
>> to get things done. I mean to have this is our only time where we get to come together and talk >> because we're not allowed to talk if I see here >> you walking around to Quest the country club I'm not allowed to talk >> so
>> hey you just keep on laughing you know >> one of the considerations has to always be the staff's workload and I don't think we generate a lot but you know we don't know the totality of what Jay
Meg have to do every month. But the uh I think we should let them know on certain months at certain times of the year. If you guys get overloaded, you don't have to come back and have an item. If we talked about an item in May, you don't have to come back in June. You have to
come back when you have had the time to adequately >> appreciate that. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. >> I agree. Just kidding. Okay. >> Yeah, that's so true. >> Anything else on that? All right.
So, it seems like we've already tackled some of this stuff, but um I guess we >> can at least make it an official recommendation from EAC if like for instance number one adding a few of these things to the current
ordinance. Um, you know, I'm all for all of these things. The question is, you have to rely on Jay and Meg on this. What >> What's the best way
to sell these things? Sell these things to the village council because if the village council doesn't give staff the nod, it's not happening. So we have to rely on on staff to tell us okay what's and I know you made some
comments earlier Jay about well you know if you're able to do this it might result in success or something like that what it was you're talking about but it is true if we just write in the we just were to write the council a memo or an
email saying we want you to do construction site management to to reduce environmental impacts and want the storm water toxic stuff done, but that might not get to first base. You've got to figure out a way to make it palatable for them to say, "Yes, staff,
go ahead and do this ordinance or go ahead and do this or whatever." Well, uh I don't know if it's true, but um if you provide examples of similar communities, you know, maybe are communities that are adjacent to
waterways of some sort and of the same general size >> and they do some of the things that we would like to do. I think >> you know an examples would uh would have some weight with with counsel.
>> You're absolutely right. Elected officials love to know that others are doing what they're contemplating. >> It gives them peace of mind. >> Um but that would require some leg work on on our part, I guess.
>> Well, the number one that's >> that's a given that you don't need I mean >> Yeah. that that needs more. >> It's pretty harmless >> teeth behind it. Number two, >> that's done. >> That's done. Number three is done. >> Well,
>> number four was a question. >> So, there was there's really it's really number three. That's kind of what I'm alluding to. If it's something like a sock or a filtration, >> he said they they wrap it that they already have that policy. >> No, they Oh, that's right. Okay. I'm
sorry. No. Maybe I'm >> I think the other thing you guys are thinking about is is looking at alternative storm water management filtration systems like like the baffle box baffle box idea which I don't think is in any of your memos but
>> it's been kind of talked about at other meetings and I think you guys mentioned it earlier. >> I think that's something you could add to the discussion number six which is what Brad's supposed to present to EA to council in September. One second. I think I did that.
>> That's a whole Yeah, we're jumping ahead in the agenda again. >> Oh, >> that's okay. >> Okay. >> I'm sorry. Number seven. >> And then there's the there's the toxic waste >> memo you did. >> Yeah. The storm water control and toxic
waste memo. Um yeah, we the great undergrade overgrade and curbon lit filtering solutions. So we find a municipality that kind of is similar to ours that maybe does this. You had mentioned Jupiter before. It'd be I mean
that would probably be easy to find out if they're doing it or have done it in the past. >> And if they did it on the p did it in the past, why aren't they why did they stop? did the grant money were, you know, run out or whatever it is. Um, I
think examples would be probably the most impactful on on council >> for that for sure. >> Yeah, it seems like examples with outcomes like our expected outcomes like some of these on the previous one you were looking some of them were administrative clarifications like when
I add the lockache river the other body that's just administrative. It's not a material change, but some of them are material changes, but we're driving toward a particular outcome. Making that outcome very clear because the council probably doesn't get the benefit of hearing all these details. So, they would probably want to know when they're
talking to constituents, you know, here's why we're proposing this. It's for this reason. We expect I'm making this up. We expect 10% 20% improvement and XYZ >> and here's the dollar amount. >> Yeah. I'm thinking of like preparing them for some walkound,
>> right? It's proof and data. >> Yeah. >> Um >> well well I actually think so so you so this body is really supposed to be like a policy body or an advisory body for the council. Right. >> And so they're not able with the idea being that they're not able to vet and do deep dives on every environmental
issue that comes up. Right. >> Right. >> And that so that can be your job. So but they also don't they also want to give you direction. So they want to make sure that you're not spinning your wheels and you're not spinning staff's wheels on a project that they wouldn't support. So
what I was saying earlier is that when you do your presentation to council in September, you say we've, you know, we've had a presentation from Bud Howard at the Lock Hatche River District. We've had some internal discussions about storm water, storm water maintenance, storm water management, green, you know,
green water and ways that we can be more environmentally conscious. Would the council be okay with us spending some staff time, which would be, you know, us, Marjgery, and utilities um and your time evaluating what other
cities do and what options are out there. And then >> um just to make sure that that they're okay with us even going down that road. And then in the future, I mean, this is this is not some easy thing, right? So, in 6 months, you would come back to council or we would come back to council
with a presentation that says, "Hey, here's some options out there. You know, the town of Jupiter's doing baffle boxes. Stuart's doing X, Y, and Z." Uh, I think you'd even um Michelle, you'd even pointed out something that Stuart was doing with like green kind of green filtration systems, bio swells and
stuff. So we could come back with a kind of a comprehensive presentation to them, but we just want to make sure that they're okay with with this body and staff doing that >> going forward. >> So that's all you need to do in September. We don't have to solve all this at once. It's kind of it's a complicated nuanced issue.
>> Okay. And so they would say yay or nay. >> Yeah. >> With a basic description of what we're kind of intending to do. >> Yeah. They might give some feedback, >> say, "Hey," they might have history with some something and say, "Hey, look at
what Riviera Beach is doing or look at what West Palm is doing." So, >> yeah. Okay. All right. Well, I will uh I will do that. >> We can do that, too. I mean, all you do is Google certain things and say
municipalities, municipalities in Florida that do X. >> AI will tell you within like 20 seconds. >> Then you just have to check it. >> Okay. >> So, first we present it to them with
some basic information. and see what their response is to whether we do a deep dive or not. >> Okay. >> All right. So, that'll be one of them, right? Storm water filtration >> potentially.
>> Okay. Anything else with regard to uh well, we'll get to that at the end. Um, anything else on the storm water and hazardous materials? >> No. >> Okay. Mangrove incentives.
So, my pie in the sky of having mangroves included as a um in the uh adopted tree or not adopted tree, the uh tree city USA program.
uh was not successful. Uh so um at least for this fiscal year, maybe perhaps in year two again if I can make a solid case for it uh and bring it to
council's attention uh in September uh perhaps we get that some sort of funding. >> Are you saying that? I thought you might be think that Tree City doesn't rec recognize a mangrove as being a tree, but it's it's it's really the village
didn't want to go down that time or what? >> No, it's Well, I don't know. You had mentioned in your email that it it pretty much is an urban streetscape sort of tree program, right? >> Yeah. So, just backtracking a little bit. So we
the villages try try to do an adopt a tree program where you could get a tree put in the right of way in front of your house but you would have to maintain that tree but the village would put it in. We're trying to grow our tree canopy. We have to spend a certain amount of dollars per year on trees in
the urban canopy for the tree city USA program anyways. Um but there are a lot of issues with that program because putting trees in big trees in rightways are problems. right? We have a swale system, we've got drainage, we got power lines, we've got sidewalks, we've got streets. So, it was difficult to
actually accomplish the what we wanted to do. So, the the village council and public works director and village manager and I all agreed that the best thing to do would be to just issue tree rebates for people to put trees on their own property. So, we created a program.
It's just a pilot program for one year. We have $10,000 for it. And so it's all the same type of trees that were eligible from the other one. Um residents can get up to $300 per like we we created two categories. There's one that's more of like a shade tree. You
can get up to $300 for those. So that's like a live oak, a magnolia type tree. And you can get up to two. And then we um created one that's more like an understory tree. So like a silver buttonwood or something that's it's still going to provide a little bit of shade, but it's not a big canopy tree.
and you can get up to $200 per tree for those up to two trees and then HOAs can apply to get up to five. So, we have a lot of condos and multif family that I think have some opportunities, too. So, we're going to put that program, we've got it funded and we're going to put
some stuff out on that program pretty soon. And then I know Brad Brad had the great idea of doing the rebate program for the residents. Um, so I think the thought is to to get their council's buy in at his September
meeting for them to to start funding it perhaps for next next budget year or if there's an opportunity to do it even earlier there there could be an opportunity to do that but to at least get buy in to expand that program to include mangroves that
>> but there's a lot I mean even looking at them the specifics of how to do the tree rebate program you know we create all these parameters you know they have to be 10 feet from a from a sidewalk, 10 feet from a house, they have to be on your property. There's all these, you know, kind of guidelines and then we have to create a process where people
have to provide us a receipt and then we actually have to do an inspection to make sure, right? Because someone can show you a receipt and say, "Hey, I bought 300 I bought $600 worth of trees." And then return them the next day. >> So, >> and come back and check it in six months. >> And we have to Exactly. So, so we we
have to create it's a whole process to to even create how to manage the program. So, we'd have to do a similar thing with mangroves to make sure that people are what does it cost to buy the mangroves? Where can they buy them from? What what planting criteria do they have
to have? How long do they have to survive? So, that's all, you know, that's all stuff we'd have to look at too for that program. >> The things that you uh that you have to do for just regular tree, terrestrial tree. Um, can I get a copy of that?
>> Oh, yeah, absolutely. >> At least to help me model something uh similar to it for microbes. >> Yeah, that'd be awesome. >> I think too, if we presented it to council, u we we might need to give a little more
information, figure out our groundwork, the costs of planting them, uh the mangro specifically, the maintenance. Um, >> yeah. I mean, >> like I'm thinking if for example, if I wanted to plant some mangroves in front
of my seaw wall, I know they won't grow. So, I would have to install rip wrap. >> So, there's, you know, there's things like that. >> We need to maybe a little more. >> Yeah. There would have to be like an inspection, an initial inspection, and
maybe that qualifies in this kind of rebate. I I don't know. But it's not as easy as just planting a tree on your lot. That I get it. I get it. Um you know, for instance, uh over at the Tquesta Bridge, um we thought, well,
yeah, we can maybe put some mangroves here. Turns out you can't because it's too deep. So, you know, like >> you need like an an expert with or someone with some expertise, level of expertise um to determine that.
>> Um >> so, yeah, it's it's a bit more convoluted as compared to just an adopt a tree and plant it on your plant on your lot. >> So, it we need probably to put some thought to it, but >> um it's at least something I can
put in front of council. Now, >> we're gonna look for ways to because it might not be just in that program. Um, if I remember correctly, Jay, you had asked us once to consider if there was available funding, what would a
mangrove program look like? And so, >> or just living shorelines >> or well, okay. And mangroves being a part of that. >> Um, so the funing we talk about trimming
through round ideas. Like it's difficult to to convince a homeowner property owner to put mangroves in because they're worried about the trimming and the height and which height and whatnot. If it goes past this fix what you've done, you can't touch it. It's scary. It's a scary
commitment to make. So you know the village we looked at tossed around ideas. Does the village provide a program that they calendar program that all the mangroves in this program are cut on I don't know
April of every year and the homeowner pays for it but it's managed maybe through the village. It make takes away that fear of not knowing what day what height to to keep them at. >> Those were just some of the ideas we threw around and I'm not saying that's
the answer. just say, you know, maybe this mangro living shorelines with the mangroves is a separate piece than the um what's the tree program called? >> Adopt a tree. >> Adopt a tree. >> Yeah. >> Did we maybe
>> did we strike out on having a u trying to think of the right words? A mangrove or shoreline. What what we call the shoreline >> the living shoreline >> the pilot project
>> pilot project >> we so we had had funding for it and had been moving forward with Keith from Maine and when he got into the design phase of it he realized that the bridge was too the water was too deep at the Tquesta bridge
and so yeah Jeremy Allen had had found the money for it we were going to try and do it you know kind of quickly but then the when he when Keith got out of design. He said that that site just doesn't work. >> Okay. Was that conveyed to us? Cuz I don't >> It It just happened. I almost put that
on the agenda, but >> Okay. It's a recent >> It's a recent thing. >> So, I guess our goal is to find another site. >> Yeah. I mean, it's a it's a challenge to find public sites. Um, so it might I mean, it might be easier
just to do it as an incentive program on private property because I mean, where else where else would you do it? Um, >> I just thought of something. How do you know where Dip Place is located? It's like a strip of land between Shady Lane
subdivision and Bay View >> Terrace is >> and it it's it's just a little strip of land that runs down there and there's a big giant discharge pipe into the river, but it's I bet you that could be accommodated.
This is >> right here. Right in there. Yeah, >> that green space on the water maybe. >> Do the residents want to lose their beach though. >> The >> Yeah, I do know that some of the
children in the area like to go putting around in the water there, but maybe I don't have to do it all. >> Is that that's a public area or >> I'm not I don't know. I But I think it is because I think there's a big
discharge pipe that the village probably owns that's draining these adjacent subdivisions. >> Sorry. These are the access points at Country Club West, right? >> Not the Country Club. South of Country Club. >> Yes,
I'm pretty sure they What did you said? You're pretty sure it belongs to who? >> Ha. >> Ha. >> These are not the ones in the country club though. >> But but you're correct. I think it is. >> Well, they might. So, whichever HOA it
is, they might be okay with it if we just ask. There is that strip right there. >> Baby Terrace. Yeah. It's not much frontage, is it? >> Might fit one >> pin head. A pin head.
>> And I don't know if Matt Cooer is going to want it right there on his property either. >> Boat ramps. >> And yeah, the problem with doing doing it on the on the ones in the country club that we talked about as well is that are also they're privately owned by the HOA,
>> but they both have mangrove. They both have mangroves. >> And they have mangroves already. >> What What about um I don't think I don't know if it's considered public property or you want people down there, but do where do ditch is going to run into the river? I know there's a whole plan for
the ditch itself, but is there any plan? Do you recall if there's a plan for the water? >> There's not a plan to do mangroves in the water. There >> is that mangroves? >> No. >> Brazilian pepper.
>> There might be someone on that property line. >> It'd be nice to get rid of that sandbar, too. >> The property owner would like the sand bar to go away. >> Yeah. For every person stops here getting bait fish
>> back up easy. Big rooms are finicky, too. >> Just did the bag. So, um, God, forget I forget who we went and volunteered for, but >> uh, the lighthouse. We went over the lighthouse and
>> put together the little tiny mangroves that they were growing at different um, establishments throughout Questa. >> And she was saying just how finicky they are. And out of all the ones that we bagged and put the boss and soil around
and then had the bag around them and how tight you had, she said maybe maybe lucky at like 30% survive >> 30 40%. So they are finicky, but it was really it was fun to put them together and know that they're going to try,
right? That's all over where >> on at the lighthouse that they're building. You know, the the North Palm Beach also has an environmental advisory committee and they're doing oyster recreation, oyster bed installations, and they've been doing them where they get
volunteers that come up and like string they string the oysters together and then they put them all out there and I think that's easier to do >> than mangroves. >> Than mangroves. Just something for future thought. >> Yeah, that'd be cool to do too >> for soil stabiliz
stabilization. Water quality. >> The water quality. >> It's for They're filters. >> They're huge filters. >> Yeah. >> That's the hard part. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right.
>> All right. Boogie here. >> Is it possible to put like in smoke signals and say something like if any volunteer property owners want to participate with the village in a
shoreline demonstration project or something like that. >> Yeah, I mean if if >> you would you would have to back it up though and do and so forth. you have an example what are >> and we would need we like I said we'd
need council consent to move forward with that and some funding but once once that was funded and and put in place we could do that just like the tree rebate program we'll put that in smoke signals >> do you still have the mailing list of
all of the houses that are on the water maybe it would just be simple enough to >> you could do that >> send another um question >> snail mail just a single page >> and ask them you know the pertinent questions about participating in
>> would you want if it was available >> see if we even get a response we don't get a response maybe >> and we don't have the village doesn't have to pay 100% they might say we'll pay 50% or whatever if you were if you were contemplating
ma being a perfect citizen by having shoreline uh uh living shoreline. Uh we the village would participate 50% to do x y and z or something like that.
>> It' be a good litmus test for how high the demand is for someone with the planted. Mhm. But it requires education upfront because the stigma is still out there >> mangroves and for the same reasons that I just presented. It's a fear of
>> losing the view. >> Yeah. Yeah. Like if they get if I'm on out of the country or or gone somewhere for six months out of the year and that thing went above its height requirement. >> Yeah. >> You know, I'm not gambling for that to be stuck with having to have six foot
trees and they can't see out. It's there's but I would personally I would love to have them. Um if I were to do it, it would have to have rip wrap because it's too deep for them to go in and I'd have to, you know, know a program that doesn't interfere with our
dock and taking the boat out and there's all these things to consider. You know, I couldn't volunteer for for the village because that's a conflict of interest of somebody on the committee. Sure, I'll take a 50% program.
And so, um, you know, for me to consider it, I need more education and information on how on how this work. >> And I think the, um, two young men that came in to present the honeycomb >> and that was huge.
>> I know. >> Yeah. But personally, I wouldn't want that >> versus my >> You'd rather have lip >> because I've seen how the mangroves Well, I I shouldn't say I wouldn't want it if if I if the They never quite
answered would the mangroves completely cover that so that you don't see that base. For example, at Bird Island where they put the rip wrap and you can see all the new mangroves are starting to grow on it. >> Eventually, they're going to cover that. >> Well, I would think I think that it
would too. It just depends on where the roots are growing on the mangrove, right? I mean, >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> I don't have that information. >> I don't think it's going to be 100% on rip wrap either. >> It's not. They're sensitive like you said, but um you know, I'd want to see
it before I put it. I wouldn't want that honeycomb looking structure there. >> Was the honeycomb concrete or steel? >> Concrete. >> Concrete. I just don't want to see that inorganic structure of the hexagons. I'd rather an organic structure of rip wrap
if it doesn't completely cover it. >> I think rip wrap looks like drainage >> just to me it looks like the coal rock underwater snorkel all over the place. It's just >> but it's organic looking as opposed to a
man-made structure if it's exposed. >> Okay. >> All right. So, what I will do, um, I I like the idea of mailing directly if there's enough money to do do that. It's
not that expensive, is it? I mean, do >> um, no, it's it's it's do you remember how much did you do the mailings? Do you remember how much it was? >> You just give me a bag and I'll go after these days. Yeah.
>> I I would also though I would ask for council to buy in on anything mangroves before you start doing outreach to the community cuz >> it's a questionnaire though even a questionnaire. >> Yeah. I mean >> interested.
>> Yeah. I'm not, you know, I'm not promising anything, but if you know, a short, very general description, would this be of interest to you? >> Yeah, I would just I I'd have to probably check with the village manager
and and Lori, who's our um outreach or public information officer, just sensitive when you're sending stuff out to people because you just >> be more maybe more of a um what do you call them? when you gather
community because when you when you do a mailer it's considered I think it's considered a little more personalized like how how do they know >> how do they know my how do they know that that I'm a water they're only send this to waterfront property you know so I think it might even be easier just do
do it online and just say hey if the you know anonymously to everyone hey if you have waterfront property and you're in the village would you be interested in participating this might be easier to do just just on a social media than than personalized mailer, which you're not going to get good response. You know,
that's why they put the dollar bills in them and they still don't get good response. >> HOA repost that same post from the village, right? >> But yeah, we're advocating for signs on the drain.
>> Yeah, I keep pocking the survey. >> Okay. Anything else on the mangroves? to beat that one up pretty good. Um, all right. So, what when is this September what? >> September 11th council meeting.
>> Okay. And I have to give a presentation to council. Is it I've heard it is it. It's an annual review. So, I'm reviewing everything we've done over the past since whatever June or last June. >> Yeah, you could do that. I mean, I I
think they're technically supposed to be quarterly or or even by annual. And I don't I mean, I think Mr. Bradford used to give them. Do you remember how frequently you gave them? >> Well, they they started out being quarterly and um and then I started to
argue with the town manager said, "Look, we we didn't do anything this quarter. I mean, we talked about the things we wanted to do, but we didn't implement anything." So then he bought into that and it's just kind of like at least annually that there'd be the the uh
it's the review or whatever you want to call it with the village council >> and about how much time will like >> oh 10 minutes okay 10 15 minutes >> at the most. >> So I mean I could I could kill 10 or 15 minutes just by reviewing what I've done
over the past year let's say. Um, but I think what's most important though, my mind is introducing some of these things that we want to do moving forward. >> Yeah, you can do that. >> I think you could just list what you've
done in the past year and I shouldn't if you just listed it quickly, you could get that done in, you know, 3 to five minutes. Okay. >> Hey, we've had >> 17 17 speakers come out and talk about a myriad of environmental issues. We've we've done this. we've made the green building recommendations we've done and
just list those quickly and then say these are the things we want to work on and we want to get your buy in on these things >> and then the discussion I mean the discussion could be as long as council wants it to be. So your introduction is maybe 10 15 minutes but it could end up being a 30 minute discussion. >> Okay. Well, Brad, we could create a a
slide for you to have all that stuff from here's what you've done, right? Here's what we've done, whatever. But just have that as a as a placemat on a slide up there. You don't even have to talk to here's the stuff we've done and I'd like to look forward and talk about things you want. >> Okay. Yeah, that'll work. >> Yeah.
>> That way you don't have to go. >> All right. So, what I'll do is I mean, it's pretty uh easy, I think, um to put together a review of what we've done over the past year. I'll just go back and uh and sort of list everything out
moving forward. The things that we would like for at least council to be introduced to to some degree that we're interested in moving forward and and these are the things we're interested in moving forward.
>> Yes. >> To do >> basically our to-do list for maybe the next year. >> What are those things? You know, we talked about a couple things today. >> I think those are those are
>> filtration >> filtration living shoreline >> a recycling. Did we come we bring that one to fruition? >> We need to keep working on that one. The single stream. >> Yep. >> I don't know what what else I can do.
>> Sort of Have we hit a dead end on it? >> How long ago? >> Yeah, the single stream recycling is a >> but we didn't look to see if Martin County would is an option for us to go out of Palm Beach County to see if that they could since they do it. They're
it's the processing plant that is the concern because they >> ours to only have single stream until >> the presenter that came for Palm Beach County gave me the impression that the more more
dialogue there is about it to Palm Beach County the better to get Palm Beach County to consider if we're not talking to them being a squeaky wheel. Why would they just Why would they change? >> We need to express.
>> How long ago was it that we did the uh invasive species plant list thing that during >> that was that was with the green building thing that's being rolled into all the code updates we're going to do.
>> That's something >> we gave input and had what was Steve Parker? I'll I'll help pull pull Megan out, pull a list together for Brad of all the presentations and speakers and
projects you guys have done. >> Back to the recycling. Have we hit a dead end on that? What What's the >> I mean, I don't I don't think it hurts for you to just you could mention it at the end that you the the the EAC wants
to continue pushing for single stream recycling, whatever that may be. >> Yeah. It's not a political battle for you guys to fight. It's a it's kind of a policy bigger picture thing for the council to look into. So, you can always just say that that's an issue that we advocate or that we hope that the
village council can advocate for in the future. >> Is that Jupiter High School student? Is he still is he still working on trying to get the commercial recycle? >> He is. Uh he's been working with Meg recently. Um I don't Maggie, you want to give him some updates on what his latest
>> So Thomas and I are meeting tomorrow. He has made some successful contacts with local plaza owners. Um he's very ambitious. He has lots of very big ideas. >> We are working on them.
>> Good. >> Great. >> That is great. >> Good. >> And he lives in the country club, >> I think. >> He's somewhere in the He's somewhere in Tquesta. His last name's Garing, right? I guess in Garing Insurance and services and stuff. >> I don't know if he's related to the
Garing Group people or not, but in there. >> Yeah. Um, so yeah, if any of you come up with ideas um that you would like that we have discussed
that maybe I'm not thinking of or that I don't mention in whatever I write up for council um which you >> send us a draft. >> You you all will get a draft beforehand. Um please please do the suggestions. Um,
I want to include while I have their ear, um, everything that's of importance and interest to us. >> We've got living shorine, >> recycling, filtration, >> the hazardous waste pickup. That's a
good one. >> Oh, yeah. Hazardous waste. >> Twice a year, just like the at least a couple times a year. >> Trees and plants. Yeah, >> probably the shredding and hazardous waste. If those could go together
>> on the same date, >> that would be >> shredding. >> Shredded. Get it out of >> Yeah. >> Twice a year. >> Although, I'll tell you, just the shredding event had a line of cars. >> Yeah, >> it does. >> You've been to them, so I'm there twice
a year. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Do we know when the next one is? >> October. >> They have every April and October. with coffee and donuts. >> Yes, >> that's awesome. >> Okay, >> you're right.
>> So, hopefully I can uh write all this up or type this up and uh get it off to you guys before with enough time before the 11th and uh we'll go from there. I think that's the last thing on the agenda.
>> Does he have a deadline for his memorandum to be in? So, it's in the backup or something like that. >> Yeah, it'll be a couple weeks before. I'll I'll give you a heads up, Brad. It'll be >> August 29th. So, you have about two and a half weeks.
>> Okay. Okay. Um, and that in that memo I can basically put a review of everything we've done and then I could speak on it for sure, but I'd rather, you know, looking forward this is what we want to
do. All right. Okay. >> I think it's fair to say they they want to see it and just and also have synopsis of it. >> Okay. They've always been kind to me when I did it. They're not going to be, you
know, they're not going to attack you or anything like that. They're very and they're very grateful and thankful that we do this and it's it's usually a pleasant uh event. >> Okay.
So, that's the end of new business. Oh, I just stuck this in. Under comments, uh, the State Park Preservation Act was signed into law May 22nd, went into effect July 1st.
>> There's probably some weird loopholes in it that, you know, where I read about it, uh, didn't go into a whole lot of detail, so I just put in general, it's basically protecting the state parks.
I don't know if there's loopholes, but your memo here for the um strategic goals and initiatives. >> Yeah, >> that's pretty much what we green building initiatives and >> streetscapes, living shoreline, single stream
recycling in support of environmental legislation. >> Key ones. >> Meg did a presentation about that of the what do you call it? the uh sorry the uh
sustainable building >> rebuilding >> green rebuild. Yes. >> Okay. >> The building's actually green. >> Yes, that's one of the requirements. >> I'm very literal specific. >> Not for color blind people, unfortunately.
>> Okay. Um, if there's nothing else, >> I just have one one quick update. Um, while you're talking about state legislation, um, you may or may not have heard that the state also created a law that preempts a municipality's ability
to prohibit or govern the placement of artificial turf. So, we put in an artificial turf ordinance >> like two years almost two years ago. So now the state says a municipality cannot
restrict or prohibit artificial turf. >> Everyone can do plastic >> and the D well the D is supposed to create standards and then each city is supposed to kind of adopt those standards. >> Talk about >> so yeah it's going to be it's going to
be challenge. So, um, there there's been issues recently with residents putting it in the rightway, and that's a whole another discussion, but our policy is that that that whatever the state preeemption does does not count on public property, right? So, people
people won't be able to put artificial turf in our in the rightway, right? But on their own property, the state is going to restrict us there. What state? >> That tells me, I'm sorry. That tells me that we have some very odd people that
are legislators in the state of Florida. And I'm being nice when I say that. >> That's ridiculous. >> But I wonder what the uh what's the drive on that? Why would the state what you know? Obviously, they based it on something. It'd be interesting to know. >> It's called lobbyist.
>> Yeah. So, it could be it could be an artificial turf lobby. It could be >> could be homebuilders associations. Um it's it could be any number of special interests. >> Oh yeah. >> So, >> you know, we spoke earlier about Senate
Bill 180 and its problems and it's overkill and so forth. So, I just want everybody to know that in the United States Constitution, it is illegal for any government to to create an ex expos
law, meaning you adopted a law and you make it retroactive. That is >> not allowed by the United States Constitution. It's it's clear as a bell. they need less. >> Well, Senate Bill 180 is caused a huge
stir around the state and so I think there will be a lot of blowback and legal challenges to it. So, we'll see what we'll see what comes of it, but there's a lot of lot of chatter about it. The League of Cities meetings are coming up. I know there will be a lot of discussions at
those meetings and committee meetings. So, we'll we'll see what happens. And I know for a fact there's a lot of cities that are talking amongst themselves about having a legal coalition to file suit against the state of Florida. >> So I'm on >> overdue. >> I'm on the planning and redevelopment
one and I'm I'm actually I thinking about volunteering to spearhead one if no one else is because the >> it needs to happen. >> Yeah. >> So um okay. Uh this someone want a motion to uh do I need a motion to end
the meeting? Right. >> Yes. I'll make a motion to adjourn the EAC meeting. >> Second. >> All those in favor? >> Motion carries. Thank you. So Jay about the um >> second
>> artificial turret.