##VIDEO ID:rLiVUhBWt1g## this is the uh environmental advisory committee meeting for uh January 8th 2025 it's now 2:00 p.m Brad is uh not able to be here today so as Vice chair I have to run the meeting um so we've already called to order Meg could you do a roll call please yes of course Thomas Bradford here Brad freeze Russ Redmond clay Damon Joe lenta here clay you're here right wait oh I'm sorry I thought I thought you said sorry my bad he's on the bottom he started the W uh Michelle shuss here wait chance here there we go okay so we have a quorum uh the next item on the agenda is approval of the agenda uh we want to move up the uh if it's acceptable to the board move the U matter pertaining to where is it um not seeing it on my oh item under new business item four to move that up to let's say old business number one is that okay can we actually pull off on that because jeros was supposed to have somebody here that has not shown yet so okay all right well we'll let is that is that acceptable to everybody okay so all right NE therefore we need a motion to approve the agenda unless there's any additions deletions or modifications motion to approve the agenda is there a second I second all in favor signify by saying I I I any Nays motion carries Communications from citizens uh Butch this is for comments unrelated to agenda items if you have something unrelated to what's on the agenda you're free to speak that to us at the time at this point in time if you'd like or wait till we get to your agenda item relative to the letter You' written to us I I'll wait till the agenda item appears okay um so there there are no Communications from citizens today we don't have any presentations per se and so now we move on to the consent agenda and assuming I'm reading it correctly there's only one item on the consent agenda and that is the minutes of the EAC meeting from December 11 2024 it's uh does anyone have any questions about the minutes if not we need a motion to approve the minutes as written make a motion approve we got a first by Jill wi is there a second second Wade is made it a second to the motion all of those persons in favor signify by saying I I any Nays motion carries that's the end of the consent agenda unless I'm missing something so we move on to the regular agenda old business item says number two um V Village dequest environmental advisory committee that my computer FYI sorry Workshop sound like a doggy to so let's see what Brad wrote us here so Brad wrote us an email I'm sorry a letter memorandum I should say and I'll just I'll read it quickly as discussed in December the committee meaning us agreed that EAC would hold a meeting during the evening to promote Community participation and engagement in environmental initiatives this will not be a typical EAC committee meeting but rather an informational opportunity for residents the uh I would this is him speaking I would like to confirm the details and start advertising this event as soon as possible the eac's input is needed for the following date time and location um so he he's saying that at our last meeting we said it would be from you know 6:00 p.m. to 7 p.m. uh at the rec center and we need dates in March uh so we can reserve the space uh at the rec center so what are your thoughts on uh date time and place everybody still on board relative to rec center yeah yes keep in the meeting in the big meeting room okay so can I jump in yeah because I you can save me got I've got I've got dates available from our rec department that work and I also looked at the Village calendar just to make sure there's no conflicts with any other major meetings so the week of March 3rd 4th uh March 3rd 4th and 6th is good and then March 17th 18th and 19th is good the middle week of the month is bad and the last week is spring break so that's kind of a tough one and I'm actually going to be out of town so um there's basically six days available I think bradden in his memo said that he wanted to get some dates possible and then send them to the POs to the speakers to see which work for them so if if you guys are okay with it I can I've already confirmed those six dates are available I'll send that to Brad and then Brad can confirm with the speakers and then we'll just kind of Select whichever is the best date okay and then we'll hone in on that date and then we'll start working on uh strategy to um to kind of get the word out so is spring break the latter part of March it's 24th through 30th so we're focusing on weeks two and three weeks one well week two has it has the normal EAC meeting in a council meeting and then I think we also have our citizens resident Academy that week but so it's that's that week's just kind of out so week two so week week one and week three week one and three okay unless someone has a conflict here um another thought I have I know Brad and here mentioned um the speakers would be kind of me to do a little kickoff and then mang and reef arches and then um Peter dwit to kind of talk about jayona one other thing we can do is have Marjorie Craig who's our utilities director give a overview of the resiliency study that they just did along with the do ditch living Shoreline so they're actually in the process of creating a living Shoreline at the do ditch project good so we could kind she's going to give a presentation to e at some point it might be best that she just does it there because it's an opportunity to share with the public yeah if you guys are good with that me talk about Workshop Workshop what so I told them I have six possible dates March 3rd 4th 6th March 17th 18th and 19th and that we are going to have Brad reach out to the speakers to kind of hone in on the best date and then once we select that we'll we'll start doing all the advertising for it perfect and we still feel that 6:00 to 7 P.M is good is this a week possible week night it's a week night yeah yeah probably going to be Tuesday and Thursday I think that's how they do it maybe MH um is an hour enough to have all that we're talking about here we could probably do an hour 15 I think anything longer you kind of scare people off yeah I just I mean I'm hearing like four presentations maybe yeah I mean four for 15 minutes minutes each and then a little Q&A at the end yeah I'm thinking the presentations back to back and then just if you have Q&A between each presentation it's going to drag so it have to be we could maybe provide uh paper and stuff people want to jog down a questions so they don't forget it but if you do Q&A after each one you'll never meet that time limit I think it'd be good to have Brad do like a five minute kickoff at the beginning also kind of just an overview what the EAC does yes when the meetings are held and you know what what you guys have been working on so I think that's also good 4 six and and then 17 18 19 I can send a follow-up email with those dates to everyone as well on this board so and if you have a conflict just email me back and we'll we'll try and find what works best for the collective group and speakers okay um you know I'm thinking it's going to go over an hour but probably if we say an hour that's going to be more attractive to many people but uh and if it goes over they can leave yeah they can leave if they have to go you know yeah if you keep your presentations within that hour then have a Q&A and then if there's any additional that's up to that person yeah gu okay so yeah please do send the email because I'll have to check to make sure uh in my situation anyway so title is the next item for this event that we're talking about um Brad says that uh uh what did he say keep the content to one subject living shorelines I need suggestions for a catchy title as many only read the headlines this is him talking my suggestion to Quest a living Shoreline ordinance understanding the impacts to our Coastal Community all right I'm going to be forthright and tell you okay so I read that at home obvious obviously and then I thought is that really going to is that really going to drive people to come into this is this building I'm just thinking I mean you know it sounds like Questa living Shoreline ordinance understanding the impact is or the one word that I think does uh strike a note if I'm reading that real quick is the word ordinance because all of a sudden heads perk up and say oh yeah is something coming um want to know about it um so you like the word ordinance I do if I'm reading a headline fast I I actually like that TOA living Shoreline ordinance part of it and then maybe what did I have in here try and maybe put in uh the word benefits to our Coastal Community or when he says when he when he says you know colon after ordinance and then says understanding the impacts to our Coastal Community what's he talking about the impacts of the shoreline living shorelines or the impacts of sea level rise or wave at what was it all of it right all the above it I mean if we wanted to go less um direct we could CH soften it up with like discover the beauty and benefits of living shorelines join our informational meet up if you want to go softer I don't know but when I see the word ordinance I kind of think that's important could be affect might affect me if I'm on the shoreline I read that I think there's a more interesting way to capture the public because it's jayona is a speaker there right and they're not really part of our living shorelines ordinance right what M what M and what the rares guys are doing aren't necessarily part of that ordinance okay right so I think that's a good point I think maybe to frame it in a way of come come learn about some cool Coastal initiatives I mean that's not the word you're going to use but that's the gist of it right um actually I like that alliteration Cool C that's another makes you read it but I mean I think I think the way to to if you're putting it on on like Facebook on social media that catches like you know we've got mang Reef arches Jona talking about all their new initiatives like come come find out about all these exciting new initiatives that are being worked on inesta area like that's that's what's going to draw people in I think not an ordinance like people get when we when we do ordinances like people are bored to death with them and they don't want to they don't want to hear that only lawyers get excited about well um yes I didn't you're right in that respect that ordinance is not the workshop's not just about or ordinance I do think that ordinance is a catcher of some sort but it might not be relative to this because it's not just about what about just the future of our shorelines because people want to know what's happening in the area um and then highlight the speakers yeah yeah well what about what Jay said and then add on what you just said how how would that come out would you say Co than me Jay you can respond fast no I like the cool Coastal that's that gets your attention cool Coastal would you call them initi initiatives yeah we can come up with the future of our shorelines yeah of toqua shorelines shorelines Jay all right write that down I forgot let's hear it yeah I like the suggestion of future of our shorelines because cool is subjective right it's going to be depending on how the audience receives the information but certainly we can talk about what's Trends they are cool the things that they're they've got these companies yeah I was so impressed by that presentation he's a great speaker I went home up to my parents up in um Flagler County because you know they keep losing us one every hurricane keeps going down I was saying to my parents you've got to have them up here they need to present this product because they keep losing literally millions of dollars in that because their Shoreline keep Wasing away anyway sorry to hijack that so we have the bases of a title yeah we can we we'll play with that a little bit okay so something a little more cat informal catchy yeah content is number three he said he proposes three presentations introduction to living Shoreline DJ that uh B natural and engineered Solutions mang Reef arches and then C example of living Shoreline in taquesta Peter DT where's um the other ones that we just talk we just add the other one oh wait no there's mang referes yeah mang is there yeah the merger one the utilities thing was my suggestion to add on to those three so if you have the content add margerie three so you have three outside no two outside one inside is margerie and J two inside two outside speakers when I say inside within V and outside of V that's plenty and then the LA the last item is advertisements or marketing um he proposes publishing a one-pager with meeting details and information in the to Quest a weekly e newsletter I think he's talking about Friday whatever they call it Y and then uh to further engage those with potential direct impact I propose a hard copy mailer to all waterfront property owners in sequest h interesting well that would be uh that's your Market yeah that's the market but uh um that's I don't know expensive how much is a first class postage stamp nowadays I mean the cost yeah the cost isn't too crazy it's more it's it's difficult to do is the problem you think there's no way to sort to to go into the so the property appraiser has everything in an Excel file you can get it that way but you can't sort it by by waterfront properties only you you'd have to go in and manually like grab each address so like Meg and I would probably spend like almost like a week doing it or you a week but but pulling each address you have yeah you'd have to do it manually you can't do it there's no way to do it I think if we had a g if we if we had a GIS system we could probably do it but I don't know I know somebody that I could ask about that and may be just the yeah I guess we could yeah I guess we could there's probably a to capture most of there's probably a glitch way around it you can do that we can look into that yeah I know somebody might know how to do that sort so I'll email you if it's a doable thing yeah if it's not how do we look at this yes or no to do the I think I tell me if this sounds right show the other day the other day I was driving down up south to North on River Drive and it occurred to me that every every uh the address of anything on the water was an odd number and not an even number right so that might be but I think there's a way you can grab a whole street in Geo naav instead of individual homes I'll find out I'm let J no yeah an even number exist in every street though I mean so it's going to depend on are you on the north right Southeast or west so I'm not sure that's going to be consistent on the water every Waterfront but there's a you knock out a lot of them if you just do River Drive in the country true that is true that's true and and River Side Drive massach yeah that's right that's juper that we can we can do it it's even manually looking at the map like you said rubber drive it's it's it's doable I think Jay needs electric bike can we just put a basket on the back sure yeah well it'll be it'll it'll be interesting because the ordinance has already been adopted and so we're we're basically taking steps to help people understand what it's all about so anyway let's see so is anybody opposed to doing the the the mailing to the waterfront property no then it's a go if we can get the money and we can figure out a way to make it happen which I'm sure we can okay is that anybody have anything else Michelle I do for the workshop if we're um wanting um perhaps in Brad's presentation there's some information to share with the guests in relation to I guess that would already be in his his speech okay never mind Meg let the record reflect that Mr Redmond has arrived for attendance purposes how are you doing um Michelle can you say the last part of what you just said you want to do what again um I just realized that that would what I was thinking of is going to be incorporated in Brad's presentation at the beginning okay so never mind okay anything else on this item uh we're uh we're dealing with the uh the specifics relative to a workshop we're going to have in the evening comeing in March let's see what we got here do we have paper or like uh name tags for the committee members for that evening somewhere Village have stick on we can just write our yeah we we'll get some write on make make a note to do can be available for questions ansers agenda sounds like a squeaky to did it again did you do you have children at home remember the meowing cat all right so we'll move on now to uh new business uh first item is prohibited species list non- tree invasive species um if you recall back in November I think it was we went through the process of comparing the taquesta prohibited uh invasive species list against the Fisk list off the top of my head I forgot what f stands for but they seem to be they seem to be the uh expert in Florida it's Florida invasive species Council uh for trees and other invasive species the um so what we did was we focused on trees and uh Jay had landscape architect Steve Parker who works for the village as their landscape architect review the list of the current dequa list as well as the Fisk list and he I think with the exception of two maybe three trees on the Fisk list he gave his blessing to their list so basically he was all in for it and we uh we accepted his recommendations less the two or three trees that he thought were not invasive I think for some reason eucalyptus might be one Tom I I I put those all up there so that's those were his recommendations from that meeting okay yeah eucalyptus banion good okay perfect perfect so yeah there's three trees that are on our prohibited species list that he wanted to keep that are not on the Fisk list lofty fig because there's a different type of fig here that he would rather have people do than band in eucalyptus okay and then he said he had no he had no issues with any plants on the Fisk list so he he'd be okay with adopting that is that second line he wants to keep them on the list because they're currently on the list or he wants to take the off the list he wants to keep those three on our on our prohibited species list so those are the first line the keep means keep them off the list because they're on the yeah okay sorry yeah yeah yeah allow allow those exempt those so those are two trees that are on the Fisk list that he wants to allow so exempt that it should say keep should say exempt okay got it okay so so we didn't talk about PL at the meeting so so Jay are you telling us that you've spoken with him and he indicates that he's okay with their whole entire plant he doesn't have any issues with it um before we adopt the code I'll I'll double check with him again and say hey can you do one last pass through this but he's fine with it so um I send it out to you I'll it's on the agenda if there were any plants that jumped out at you that you'd want to keep or exempt from it feel free to speak up forever hold your piece uh um well just to make sure we're on the same page so when he said he approves the list you're talking about category one right not Category 2 am I correct cuz it I don't know what's wrong with my computer but the uh uh the view is taking up things I want to read let's see yeah category one or are like extremely invasive ones and then Category 2 are slightly less offensive yeah So eventually like I imagine I could be wrong that U if circumstances change Fisk will take something on category two and potentially move it to category one in the future MH so that means that if the Village Council adopts the list it's like a living list it will change over time so we have to but then that way we're not having to come back every year or two and update it right Fisk is doing it for you so you just deferred it to that list which is what some other cities do right here's a thought for you guys I had was so to outright prohibit all category one plants um and to except allow ones that are on the category 2 list to be approved by Steve Parker if he's okay with them that's fine with me right because I think he said he wanted to have some discretion if there was you know someone could make a good argument um but if something's a category one I think we should probably be cautious and say don't don't don't allow that other than the two that he listed and then on on category two in some situations it may make sense so then he'd have some discretion to allow it but it's it's still prohibited but it gives him a little wiggle room and then they're not having to come come back to this board or to council and ask for a zoning variance or something so people are allowed to that list is saying keep lofly fig Bon and Eucalyptus those are going to be allowed to still be planted here no keep those on the prohibited species list okay thank but they're not going to take out the no you can have yeah yeah the idea is you keep the existing bions but but he don't but don't don't plant any more new ones I think they take up a lot of water and spr okay thank you um so is everybody clear about what we're about to do all right so I think we need a motion to allow Jay and Meg to head down the path towards approval so in regard to trees we're going to adopt the Fisk list except we're going to keep glossy privet and sapadilla trees uh the second item under trees is we're going to keep lofty fig Banyon and Eucalyptus which are on the to Quest of prohibited list but not on the Fisk list so we're going to allow fig banon and Eucalyptus no those are going to be prohibited going beibit we're more restrictive in that way than the F so keep keep keep those on the list list on the band list except the rest of the Fisk list minus glossy privet sa yes and then in and then in regard to plants we the EAC will be recommending The Village Council adopt the entire Fisk list for category one correct correct the entire Fisk list except Steve Parker has the ability to allow something on the category 2 yes right I get so they they then have to at least prove to Steve Parker or staff you know why why it's something on Category 2 is is worthy in that situation but it's not a blanket approval so how do so I'm now there's a lot of stuff here so I'm envisioning that the ordinance will say you know for health safety welfare the following is not allowed or whatever and then it's just going to say see the Fisk list latest edition yeah something like that um but so but somebody's got to keep the list so they know what's on it so I guess that's what the building department will do typically yeah we'll we'll have a copy of it it's it's readily available online um so we'll we make note that something like the the annual Fisk list as updated so the the latest one right now it's 2023 right they don't do it every year right so then that's the current one and then whenever it gets re-updated maybe in 2026 that'll be the new one all right so we need a motion so that Jay and Meg can proceed to counil um so um I'll give it a shot okay he Jill give it a shot forgive me if I get wrong you can say mo you can say the motion that the the the chair just read I make a motion to um adopt the FIS list exempt the glossy privot and sapadilla trees uh keep hang on let me think keep lofty fig Bon and Eucalyptus on the prohibited species list on the prohibited species list thank you for Village of Testa um and then it allow Steve or you could say the village landscape architect The Village landscape architect to uh use at his discretion which plants to use were exempt from the FIS list on category two category category two oh my God that was it that was good you passed was second thank you all all of those in favor signify by saying I I any Nays motion carries thank you Jay thank you um let's see let's see what's I'm trying to find the agenda let's see uh okay response next up is uh response to EAC email regarding Jupiter Nero's Conservation Alliance so we all received a uh I guess it was a letter well maybe looks like a letter or a memorandum from buch pow who's in the audience and um in regard to concerns he has about the uh proposed Jupiter and arrows project and um I don't know if you've seen it most of you had a chance to read that letter or or not um so instead of y'all tell me what you think instead of me trying to go over and make uh speak for uh Butch uh why don't we just let Mr pal go to the microphone and tell us what his concerns are is that okay so Butch if you would go to the microphone and just tell us why you wrote to us and reiterate the things that you uh feel are problematic thank you Thomas um first off I'll just introduce myself uh my name is Butch Powell uh some of you may know me from uh the work that I've done for several years to get the speed zone in the Jupiter Narrows lowered um it looks like that um effort not only mine but a lot of other people um is uh coming to fruition the FWC has proposed as of December 2nd that's an important date to keep in mind uh with respect to the Jupiter narrow situation um with confrontation the Jupiter narrow Conservation Alliance the um the um the effort to lower the speed zone is going to reflect on what the jca is trying to do um I really hadn't come here prepared to to speak as I was Q&A but um at any rate in the introduction you know I am I am here I'm also president of the Beach Road Association but I'm not here in that capacity I'm here as a private citizen and to help you guys uh understand what my concerns are with respect to the current jnc program to give you a brief timeline the JN the jnc has been working to develop a plan for quite some time um I guess their effort has onone for two or three years but the specific plan really didn't come out until mid November and by the end of November right after the Thanksgiving holidays they filed with the Florida Department of Environmental Protection you know a plan this thing's moving forward at lightning speed nobody has really sat down and taking the time I believe to really analyze the plan um that jnc tailor engineering has come up with um I mean two weeks and now we're in filing so I think I think we need to slow it down number one um there are factors that are are huge in this particular uh effort you might you w with respect to the effort that's been involved with um getting the speed zone changed the Atkins realist study for the Jupiter narrow um let us all know and I think that's Pages 21 22 23 three in that report the Jupiter narrow this section of the Jupiter Narrows is the most dangerous section uh in the Jupiter narrow icw very compact very narrow lots of users kayakers paddlers boers I mean it's there's a lot of folks in that little stretch of of uh Waterway there this is the the graphic that U Atkins realis came up with and it it clearly shows it's it is the it is the most dangerous section of of the water it was their highest risk um section in uh in their analysis so that's that's a pretty important factor in my mind now if you narrow the Jupiter Narrows further if you further constrict it um you know you're not allowing for more Waterway for all of this traffic you're compressing it um in the letter that that I wrote to Village OFA I didn't talk about what's occurring on the west side of the inter of the intercoastal which is Bureau of Land Management is going to be putting in break Waters over there that's going to constrict it already back back to uh the East Side you put in huge massive breakwaters just on the other side on the east on the on the west side these Mangrove Islands uh you're further constricting the area and and that will make it more dangerous I don't know how you slice it and dice it otherwise the other thing that that appears to me is and I I'll give you a couple of um stats I mean I spent a lot of time looking at this report and when you get into the nuts and bolt of it you'll you'll see that they believe that the these break Waters that they want to install um will reduce the I I guess they' they've called it a 2.3 average wave in effect uh down to about a 7 foot wave okay well that's with a high speed zone now if you have a low speed zone what are the what what's the wave impact and how does that compare to these these huge massive breakwaters that you want to put in um you know I don't know I I'm not uh qualified to to give an opinion on that but it's an area I think that we really need to look at once you install these kind of break Waters I mean they're in there probably forever um and that's a whole another issue since since the the U jca tailor engineering study did not address human safety um and it's not addressed in the FTE application either I believe that's a good reason to step back from this delay it let's take another look at it let's include what the impacts will be with the um lower speed zone from the FWC we should know what the results of that are in terms of the commission voting on that by the end of February I mean that's not all that far out in time these mangroves while they've taken a hit they've been declining for 40 since 1940 I mean that that was in the the report they're not going away immediately um if you read the report that Taylor engineering um put forth they they'll tell you in that report when they start doing the the current state analysis yes the west side of those things are taking a hit and it's from the big wakes or that's what they they say um there's other there's other people other things that I read that say that some of the reason for the mangroves is is more water water quality than anything but but again this is not my area of expertise I don't know um the um we need we need just to make sure that we're not moving along so fast that we don't really sit back and think about the various uh factors that are really associated with these things I don't know if you realize the the the break Waters that they're proposing are 800 linear feet that's almost three football fields that's a that's a lot of rock and it will forever change the character and the beauty of the Jupiter and nrows and I think that's something that you know is in you guys venue if you will to help protect um I'm all Ju Just so you understand I believe we should protect the M grow um I just don't think that the way that we're going about it currently might not be the the best route and I do believe that we should um take another look at this uh particularly with a new speed zone that's that's that's come out and uh see what impact that has do we need to build 800 ft of of um Limestone Breakwater that may not be needed uh I I can't tell you that but that's something Taylor engineering should probably go back to the drawing board and take a hard look at that that break water will basically consume about a third of the distance um between the eastern most edge of the IC icw um and the edge of the mangrove um I I think um that's probably enough offthe cuff information for you folks to give it some thought um again I think I think we should protect the mangr I'm just not sure that uh the way we're going about or the current plan is the right way to do it and I really think we need to step back from from the current plan and take a look at this situation with uh new information that has emerged particularly the the new speed zone and what impact that's going to have on this area and the safety consequences is to probably that's really the primary reason does not the current plan does not address it so thank you for your time so if you have questions ask me I'm I'll give you my two cents worth let's let's hold off on that if you would if you would please um speak in the microphone my my hearing's awful all right so let's before we go to Q&A let's see if Mr heler would like to say a few words on this subject good afternoon everyone um my name is Thomas heler a member of the board for the Jupiter and narrows Conservation Alliance um I know Butch is a neighbor I'm across the street I live at Testa Towers he is at uh Lamar right yes okay um in general I think um you know when Butch when you said the specific plans didn't emerge until November I mean that that's when we filed the permits um but we've been emailing people around the community and holding open meetings since at least a year ago I don't know if you were on that email list no it it was it was emerging in the updates um I think we locked in on that plan around May April um but nothing is written yet for a specific plan the permit authorities are going to tell us what the specific plan is [Music] um you know they can adjust things um I don't believe they addressed uh human safety in it because that's not part of their their mandate I'm sure the permitting authorities will take a good hard look at it just as they did with Taylor engineering's work along the inra coastal South of K's bridge when they Taylor engineering was doing work for the outstanding natural light area and Peter dwit and and that has been approved so um I would ask Butch to think and you all maybe to think about why they too are using Limestone break Waters along the shoreline it's because it's a proven method and it works um and I don't think the permit would have been approved for the outstanding Natural Area if it presented safety risks particularly because of all the boter and people who um are breaking down that U what do you call the area where where everybody swinging on trees and and D the embankment yeah the embankment well I I think the safety issue there is we shouldn't be playing on the embankment it's not from what they're going to build as as Limestone breakwaters um uh so I do think Taylor's thought about it but I don't think it's part of what a construction engineer does I think the people uh who were approving the permits they're probably going to think about about that especially since you brought to their attention I mean um last thing I just want to say is in terms of Aesthetics um well two more things in terms of Aesthetics I think we need to keep an eye on where we're going why are we doing this in a few years you know five seven I don't know what's going to be visible from the HOAs is going to be a tree canopy the restoration when the stuff propagates so it's not going to be folks looking at rocks so much and I think that's very important to keep an eye on um the second thing I want to just bring up is is I haven't yet been able to find the dimensions of the channel itself the icw channel but in terms of uh taking away space um I think if there was something of concern it would be that very large dock that comes out into do you have anything on that Jay great J um no he was asking you a qu yeah I it's up here I think um the channel itself is 185 ft wide and the distance from that uh boat dock to the first island 312 ft and then so we're from 89 ft to the mangrove Island now if we impose that Limestone Breakwater you have 70 ft before you get to the channel so it won't be 89 9 ft from the channel to that Island you have a little Gap then you build the wall or the Limestone break water and it'll be 70 75 ft depending upon what the dredging does so I I don't think I don't see a safety issue in that myself um and I think um that's really all I'd have to say at this time I appreciate all the time you you folks have given us on the EAC and the support you have and uh with the council and we have a public private partnership with you to pursue grants we're doing another one now with Jay um and these kind of Partnerships for conservation and restoration purposes are valued and I say that not just as an individual but I'm also a member of the citizen advisory Council to the uh IRL management Council up in Sebastian and they do I I've heard from stem committee meetings and others these kinds of Partnerships are valued because we nobody can do it alone so thank you very much thank you okay uh EAC members as you've heard uh from uh Mr pal and Mr heler you had an opportunity to read the letter do you have any questions or comments that you'd like to make a comment Russ you go for so like I'm not a big fan of I'll stick into gotcha so I'm not a huge fan of visible rocks either because I don't it's not typically the thing that you would see in the natural environment in the area however when you look at the success of something like the snook islands and the engineering that went into the snook islands and they surrounded all of those islands with Rock and then filled it in with Mangrove and it looks fantastic you know so you see something are you familiar with the snook Islands down in Lakeworth no but I do know that there are other projects and I do know Limestone uh break Waters have been used commonly but I'll also say those areas are different characteristics Waterway wise than what we have in the Jupiter and nrows I'm not saying that break Waters wouldn't be effective I'm sure they would be right I just I I just would would encourage you to take a look at because you know this is in the inter Coastal the if you go down to Lake Worth of snook Islands I'm not saying that it's 100% identical okay but but it is a similar situation and if you just even Google it and and look at pictures I'm looking at on my computer now but yeah you can you can like this I mean it looks fantastic um and this was a project just maybe a decade back I can't remember exactly when that was but I want to say a decade or so back when they started that project and it's it's coming in really well and I think it looks even better than than those pictures as of now um if you if you ever get down to Lake Worth and you can just go by was it Bryant Park I think is the park right there where you can look at at at snook Island I think it's worth going down and just taking a look to see what what is possible with with Mangrove islands and and restoration engineering of this sort yeah I I know you had another there's also Bird Island over in the right right right exactly right same sort of deal okay any other questions or comments I have a question question men that came in with their engineering of those re archers yes thank you what about that is that something that would work and then not be seen and maybe more aesthetically pleasing to the neighbors there versus this L and this is just out of you know ignorance knowing that maybe that's going down a different road but um I'd be happy to speak to that sure okay great here's Bird Island by the way s can hi um Reef arches and there's also something uh called hives okay um I think the hives are out of University of Miami yeah hi came here correct okay we we we talked about hives here once before the okay sorry um so when this thing really got in motion gee a little over a year ago we had neighborhood presentations okay and presentations to Prior EAC and we were discussing the various ways in which this project could be done sure looking at reches hives doing nothing uh and simply putting a toe protection around the islands itself and what are the costs in that well it's all very close to actually doing the project itself because of all the site engineering and permitting and all that that has to be done to put anything in the water you can't we can't even put a sign that says restoration area the folks at cedon did that and I think it was FWC came and pulled it the next day so um and and really the we went from I have to look at my calendar but I know we had three meetings in the neighborhood and here where we're discussing the options and um I think the consensus was something like this looks more natural using an indigenous Rock okay than having some that looks like a 4 and 1/2t high egg made of concrete um so there there wouldn't be anything natural about that and so this is uh emerged as as practicable uh slightly more expensive than the other two and and certainly um not that much more expensive than just doing toe protection around the islands the size they are my I visualized using the reef things that they were talking about as as you wouldn't see it maybe it was kept underwater and allowed the mangroves to grow through it right isn't that what he was saying so you would eventually not see it at all but if you're saying it's something that's out of the water then I I agree that would look worse than Limestone at very low tide everything next to those islands is out of the water now it wasn't that way 20 years ago as a fly fisherman waiting through there things have changed all right thank you for that if we could have and I argued strongly yeah to cut the width in half and the size down and I was told that's not practicable that it would be moved there's too much force in the water yeah for yeah I I pushed very hard for what you're speaking to miss Wenda any other questions or comments from the board way yeah I have a question um first of all thanks for all the information both of you sharing uh I'm I'm curious what is the main the predominant opposition to using the rocks in the barrier today Bruce as you you described it is it mostly the Aesthetics I don't want to read your mind I just want to make sure I'm real clear on what the major opposition is Aesthetics would be big okay um certainly I mean you're you're going to change the uh the character of the Waterway with material that that that's not part of the natural ecosystem and you have to do that with these hives as well maybe there's there may be other methods to protect the mangroves without putting in so much Hard Rock the other the other aspect of the the Hard Rock it's not just Aesthetics it's um it's the it's the safety of the area now when you have boats that many boats that many people in that confined area um it inevitably you have some Bozo that doesn't know how to drive a boat and they're going to end up crashing into the break Waters or um a sandb bar at at as opposed to um as opposed to the break Waters so it's a it's a safety issue from that that perspective uh my question is is if you lower the speed zone and eliminate the wakes why do you need these massive breakwaters I or maybe you need a smaller Breakwater or something that's just not quite so obtrusive yeah so it's my understanding that the breakwaters the rocks that you described going south of kados along the Jupiter Inlet Lighthouse I'm not using the right term to describe that area of the embankments is going to include rocks right substantially similar six right substantially similar stuff and is that area going to be narrowed um more so than the Jupiter Narrows after this project is done do you know I'm just just I don't know the answer to that question be a good question for Peter Peter Peter dwit should help you with that hold on are you asking will the width of the water body be reduced right well no it's my measurements show that the from Shoreline to Shoreline about at the midpoint of Lamar condominium property is approximately 500 feet long okay my understanding is that the Army Corps of Engineers maintains the federal waterway at 125 ft in width and 10 feet of depth okay so if you have 500 minus 125 and more or less you're going to have X amount of theoretically if you split it in the middle you're going to have a lot of footage on either side so these things can fit it seems that Butch is worried that they may be too close to the um to the Waterway the maintained Waterway itself right right and iess I guess where I was going with that is I you know I just had the pleasure of driving over our brand new bridge now and two lanes open and I don't know what the width of that bridge is but you know that's a pretty narrow area too and it's much smaller than the current Jupiter Narrows or what I believe to be the proposed Jupiter and nrows in terms of under the bridge so you know people are boats a lot of traffic of boats are are already restricted in several areas that are very close by that the other thing I think about when you talk about safety is I've been through there a lot with boats and yes the speed is certainly a dangerous item in that in that area um but there's also a lot of swimmers kayakers um others that are on you know floats and stand up uh you know Contraptions um it seems to me just again rationally thinking that if there was a Breakwater and you're able to to go behind those break Waters with you know an individual you you might actually guard yourself against boating traffic in some ways um much like a bike path might be on a new bridge or on a new roadway and so anyway I'm just trying to understand like your thinking and what your what Your most concerned with and just see if we could you know have that discussion more directly yeah thank you for the considerations I think that those are rational questions and um you know if you put in these large breakwaters just think about how that impacts the the overall natural beauty of the area I mean that and if you have a slow speed zone all of a sudden you these guys are fighting high energy wakes I mean that's that's that has been the primary reason to install these large breakwaters well if we FWC lowers the speed zone you're not looking at uh two foot 3 foot 4 foot plus wakes anymore you're looking at maybe half a foot or so well the the Breakwater somewhere in that analysis that somebody pulled up um I have I'll read you one section they say this is in section 44 um if you have that uh their report up it it says the the present study applies formula and they use uh in vandeir uh 2005 and Goa Aon 2008 to determine that the Breakwater should reduce wave heights by 70% therefore the brake water should reduce the 2.3t average weight or they call it incident weights on the Riverside to a height of 7 foot well my point is is well that's with the high energy wakes now if you have low energy wakes or what is that impact compared to what you see in a break water that you have to install I I it's it's just a question that nobody's evaluated nobody's really taken a hard look at that well so you know if I could just add on to what you just described there is that the low energy wakes exist today south of Ko's bridge in the area that's also under a tremendous amount of erosion today am I right and they're putting in break water and they're putting in break water on on the on the um western shore right no I understand well the reason the re most of that is due to the kids climbing on it and I mean that's and they they they just keep continually tearing off the side you need to put something over there to protect it from the the human activity it's it's not so much the boat speeds and and whatnot through there it's it's the amount of people that you have in there and the anchoring and the you know running up and down on the dunes and whatnot that's that's what's deteriorating that particular section not not so much the boat wakes though right right that makes a lot of sense and can I ask you one last question is it your understanding that the the high energy wakes are the reason the predominant reason why the mangrove is have have um shrunk I guess okay let me make sure I got the question um are you saying that the the high wakes is the predominant reason is it the predominant reason like if we like to your point if we remove that right from lower speed does that mean that this problem goes away and the mang GRS start growing back on their own all I can say is in the in the um tailor engineering report they attribute the the damage to the mangroves based on the high high energy Wes that's what they attribute there's several places in the report I could you know point you to to where you can read those quotes but yes that's that's what they determine is the cause thank you Jill go ahead J give me a second see that bottom one right next todge there's no green left from this altitude you couldn't see anymore and I think that if you want an approximation for what uh slow traffic if that was all that mattered it's there people have to really slow down before they get to that bridge and it's almost gone now right so I would say when you going talk to the scientists and read their papers about it it's more than just boat waves but you've got the wave energies and the W storms and from the long fetch coming down Waterway and frankly we love that area too much people up to it and so forth and one of my main concerns is what can we do to protect it once it's started and and built I don't know what say it's not rights but how do we create stewardship of the area because we don't want people going and walking on where we're going to plant little you know right now they par beach chairs Sun the dogs out there and we're looking at how to it off and put signs about being a restor gentlemen gentlemen the EAC board is now asking questions so we're not going to go back and forth all day long let's I think Jill wants to say something next I have a question is your um is what you're saying what you're asking Mr Powell is you want them to reduce the speed first and see what that does and if so like how long of a time frame are you looking for them to uh examine that before moving forward with a second um option of of doing this good question I think I think what um my suggestion would be to have Taylor engineering look at that uh they can do calculations on um anticipated boat wakes um you know it's out of my real area of expertise um I'd be speaking out of school um I mean they if you wanted to monitor it for a year to see what was what was happening I don't know if that's a fair amount of time or not um I would ask experts like uh Taylor engineering to say what do you guys think we need to do to monitor this to uh they Haven to get a feel for what what the real impact is in this discussion for both of you have they said they're absolutely reducing that speed like that is for sure and when that's going to happen or is that just still a recommendation for one of the options to help maintain with the has had with all of these um meetings you've had and with Taylor engineering is it already uh confirmed that they're going to reduce the speed or is that still just a suggestion it's it's it's a process that's heading toward a potential resolution okay in late February is my understanding that it would be in effect if it passes yes but as you might recall yeah the marine industries Association sued FWC last time so there's no assurance that it's going to but yeah they're headed down the path but hasn't happened yet they have a lot of red tape to that group it at least it appears imminent and this is not this is a much better speed zone than what was proposed in the past for the boers and for the safety of the a it's it's 247 it's 365 days a year and the F like Tom said in 20 they'll know by the end of February if the FWC is going to um go forward with this my input from the FWC folks that I've been working with from get the speed zone lowered tell me the Mia is at this point has not indicated any interest in uh challenging it that's good for what it's worth to but you never know I yeah thank you gentlemen the when the FWC presentation was here November the FWC presentation was December 2nd yes I stood up with with what and spoke strongly in favor of it yes yeah and I see these two things as complimentary uh because slow speed from a mile marker 60 or 59 or whatever it is will benefit lots of things including the Coral Cove area which is correct north of this project so I see these things as compliment a win win and um on the slow speed zone yeah the slow speedone R water our project and I will say to but now um my wife was giving me some push back on this very same issue so I sat down we went through some of the things and so forth and so on and uh so I understand the difference of opinion on some of this I really do but I think um I know Taylor's taking a good look at things here we have Taylor Taylor in all due respect Taylor did a great job on the report but at the time they did the report they didn't know the FWC was going to be able to lower the speed zone that report that the tailor engineering folks did came out mid November it's the first time anybody had seen the final plan first time and it was filed with the FTE at the end of November December 2nd I said that was an important date when I started out with this it's because that's when the FWC announced their intentions to lower the speed Zone to um minimal slow speed minimal wake zone um 247 365 days a year from KO Bridge all the way up to about marker 58 okay thank you another question then yes Russ so if is the tailor engineering but I guess this would be for this gentlemen um if Taylor engineering helped create this plan are are they aware of the potential of the coming change in the speed zone and would they be willing to rethink the way they I just want to know if it's even feasible for them to rethink it at this point or did we pay them and they're done or are they still part of the plan and still we paid them you guys didn't right okay gotcha the BLM project p d in outand these things and um at the same meeting in December when the FWC spoke to this issue um Michael Soul was here used to live in no he lived in I house Southwest but he was former commissioner he's former commissioner FD and FWC and what he said speaking to the gentleman who was sitting right next to where Tom Bradford is now is this is a falling out of bed issue that should have been when I was running FWC and it it's taken time and honestly the reason why I didn't speak up at that meeting as a member of jnc to lower the speed limit we're actually afraid of Mia coming and scuttling our project behind the scenes so we've been agnostic as an association but all of us are firmly supporting what what FWC thank you other questions I have do you want to make a final comment before we move on if there are any um if someone can tell me why we shouldn't stop and delay this a while evaluate what the impacts are uh from a a slow speed zone um you know that would be quite helpful um somebody needs to take a look at the human safety aspects of this by further constricting the area uh known as the most dangerous area in the in the Jupiter Narrows um I don't believe that has been well I can tell you it's not addressed in the report or the FTE filing and I want you to consider uh the possibility of well if we don't need it why are we going to put it in there or if we don't need that maybe we can put something else in that doesn't have quite so much of a dramatic impact on the area why don't we do that let's just not hurry through this I feel like we're we're we're pedal to the metal here we're already in in a freaking um permitting uh process uh with installation that they want by the fall of this year you step back for a minute here and let's let's take a look at what the ramifications of these issues that we not addressed in in the prior in the tailor engineering study and in the application to the FTE that's my concluding remarks thank you all for your time you've been great appreciate if you have any questions of me and want to reach out um let me know i' be happy to uh my contact information is in the email I'd be happy to address anything you'd like to ask me thank you guys so uh Jay in regard to this being on the agenda of EAC why is it on the agenda that was Brad F's choice so U Mr Powell sent an email out to the EAC members and I think Brad just wanted to have an open discussion about about the contents of the email and um so the The Village Council or manager didn't ask it to be they did not ask it um they received the same email I don't know what if any action they're going to take um if we can yeah you're certainly not taking any action um but you could you could you know you can always advise this this board is here to advise the council so if something jumped out at you from today you could you could make a recommendation to council well it jumped out at me and I wanted to say it but we don't have to formalize it but the um to me the uh I agree with Mr heler that a slows speeed no wake zone is complimentary to what is being proposed by the Jupiter Narrows group it's not they they're not in conflict with one another the uh the other thing that is somewhat problematic to me is that uh Mr Powell has written to FD the agency that's reviewing the permit and uh the one of the leaders of the Indian River Lagoon something Association I forgot has written to the permit uh body at FD that's looking at this saying it's exactly what we have to do in the Indian River Lagoon and it we wish that more people would do what's being contemplated by the Jupiter and nrows group um the so my point there is Mr pow has already told FD and the permitting person what his concerns are okay and we don't need to engage in what's de facto permitting activities they they are that's what we pay taxes for them to do and fees so it's not you know this will all be worked out in due course and it might even be a miracle that uh Jupiter Arrow's group gets their permit before the speed slow speed WG zone is implemented we're talking I don't know that they're very slow but it's it's not who knows but um and it's not unusual for fdp to give you a I forget the nomenclature but it can be temporary pending review and Reporting and Analysis to see if what the benefits that are alleged are in fact happening so uh a conditional approval I think they call it so to me Butch has he's made it known to them how he feels and they may or may not take that into account and the permitting analysis is underway they got pages with boxes to be checked off to make sure tailor engineering has done this done that and uh at the end of the day they're going to make a decision and there's you know we don't need to even get involved in it right now let them do their thing and then when we see what they're willing to permit it then we can say whether we think there's problems or not but the bottom line for me is that there isn't a conflict between a slow speed no wake zone and the break Waters that are being proposed in fact it's if if if Butch and others are worried about the break Waters and they Implement a slow wake well that's just going to make it safer then what's the what's the to me this not a problem if that happens so I say we just let the permitting process finish up what it has to be done and they'll see where they come out with it they they may issue conditions that uh Jupiter Arrow's group finds you know untenable they won't go forward we don't know it's so much speculation involved it's almost like it's a waste of of our time to even worry about that's what those permit people will be doing I think what's being asked and correct me if I'm wrong but is to jump in and help with slowing it slowing the speed down of of what they're planning to do before the permits are out because once they're out that's it it's moving forward I don't think you stop it at that point I think you make your opinion known prior to okay but that's just all right and I'm talking loud so that no I think you're right that that's a a better definition of what Mr pal wants to do to to that that point the those rock formations have already been installed at Jupiter Lighthouse on the whatever that body of water is right there and uh as a boater and as concerned for the environment I don't find those offensive so I don't know that if the reduction in wave energy has a difference on the permitting for these Rock barriers you're talking about the Limestone that's already put in place over there Li the other thing I wanted to say is I wanted to tell you what Taylor engineering said the following um Main in regard to the breakwaters and the mangrove the The Mangrove Islands will mitigate wave action stabilized sediment create conditions wherein the mangroves and sea grasses will Thrive while not interfering with the nav navigational Channel or recreational activities that's what they're telling D and so you know and they do this over and over all across Florida and other places in America America so their reputation is at stake that's what they're saying is is going to be the beneficial aspect of the project but you know the permit like you know the permitting is not over and we'll see what happens and I think just to add to that I I think we you know appreciate all the feedback that's been shared here today we have a position on this right and and I think the question is have we heard anything today that would materially change our current position on this what I'm hearing Tom say is no not yet not yet let this process follow through and if we find something that's significant material to change our position and we'll change our position um I I think I'm I'm trying to summarize what I'm thinking here just in a different way like everybody's trying to do the same thing so I don't know if you guys agree with that or not it's a better way so I mean shorter so so based on what way just said uh do you want us does anybody want us to make a a change at this point in time we have urged The Village Council to be a sponsor of the project they are now all in relative to it we have been involved and communicated with the Sue Panella and Tom H others about this project um the question is do you want to change course if you want to change course you need to speak now or forever hold your peace I I don't go ahead no no no no no no we're talking I I [Music] I I like the thought of if if slowing the speed is going to first of all there's so many people over there it's crazy so I think I can't can't even believe that it's not lowered already as you can tell I'm not on the water much because I would know if it was but um that being first and foremost should be done immediately in my opinion um the Limestone I think can only benefit the islands but you know I I feel like personally I have no fight in that game like that is the people who use the area the people who live there um and to hear pros and cons I mean but I have we haven't heard a con about it I haven't heard an environmental con yeah an environmental con right right promus is to represent environmental best interest of to Quest in our community have we heard something material that's that suggests that this is uh contrary to our current position yeah yeah right yeah I mean blindest they're using it everywhere so is there any con to like the wildlife there the the people the water um levels all all that stuff but I'm sure that's what they do right that's what they do they dive in sometimes they'll use oyer shells and not uh Stone but sometimes those are hard to come by but the U uh yeah so that's my that's just yeah so it's not our job to be doing the permitting right right but you want to say something I do um I'm not asking the village OFA to change its position number one I'm not you endorsed a premise if you go back and read the village of Desta letter to support it's talking about plan it's talking about the premise it's not talking about specific plan you you endorse the initiative I do too in concept I think everybody agrees it's the specific plan that has come out that I object to that I think needs further study nobody's value what this means if you have a speed zone with these huge legs and they come down to here nobody's evaluated that and it's it's an integral part of this whole decision-making process Tom's right it's F EP decision but I think it would it would speak volumes if if you would say hey um why we still agree with the overall idea of protecting the mangroves this specific plan has some issues that we think needs to be further evaluated that's in essence all I'm really asking for you guys I'm not asking for you to you know kill kill the the project or or the overall movement off that I'm not interested in that it's this specific plan that has some issues that probably need to be thought about and readdressed before you go down a line that you can't get back from very easily once you put it all in you got now you got a problem so is this something that without stopping what's already rolling that we can at least just kind of put a little bug in their ear to say have you guys give us some insight on this but hasn't Mr Powell already done this he yeah he's already written to okay and what was their response they haven't responded oh thank you that went over my head yeah okay um when did that occur when did you write to them like what your letter was F yes I wrote the fdp mid and no response it's right before the holidays yeah it's the holiday that's when I February they may never respond I don't I don't know that fdp would ever even respond it would just be accepted as as feedback but I don't think they typically would a per if they see something but if he submitted it's in i' it's there I've seen it where he wrote it they they save it as public record I've seen it and there's there's another public comment from somebody associated with the Indian River lagum uh Restoration in general um uh but they may never respond they they are not required to respond and if you want to know the truth and I'll be very blunt about it since I've dealt with them on you know scores and scores of Permitting applications they don't really care what you write to them they don't even look at it half of the time I mean and I'm being very honest they have a box to check off don't know and they that's all they you know that's what they do I think you guys need to send a message to the community know that you're addressing things that weren't addressed and that's you know to say oh it's the ftps problem you know I I think you guys need to kind of my suggestion would be step up and and just say we still support the idea this issue this particular project has some issues need to be reevaluated that's all yeah and I guess that's where I'm not quite clear you keep referencing issues I haven't seen the issues I'm not sure we're align with the issues as you described them the environmental issues with the intent um well if you're going to if you don't need to put in 800 linear feet of break water why would you do it we don't know that that's an opinion that that's but I mean I'm I'm suggesting that's your opinion but you you you pose the question to him as if it's our uh Limestone break Waters it's not ours no it's not it's somebody else's so here's my point so imagine imagine there's a slow speed no wake zone implemented just like we all want to happen Okay and let's say that the average wave activity is such that the height of the Limestone break Waters need not be that high don't you think that Jupiter uh Narrows group would therefore use that as a reason not to have uh as many break uh Limestone Stones there to save money be so so it's it's like to me it's like an automatic if if there's a real reduced impact to wave action by virtue of the slow speed no wake zone it's in their interest to to reduce the the impact of the break Waters in theory I think you're you're right but in practicality what's going down the pike is not smaller reduced break Waters these things are large they're massive I mean it's almost n almost three football fields worth of rock that you're going to throw into this uh just pristine beautiful Waterway it'll never look the same never look the same and I if you don't need to do that why do it well then they might change their mind and do a permit app modification Mr heler wants to talk go ahead Village question has supported the premise and and the initiative they didn't support the plan I just because the plan wasn't available nobody knew what the plan was until mid November that's when it first came out Mr heler thank you Tom two quick thoughts um one is that if I could but I can't show a picture of what that one Island next to the bridge looks like today and I told you it was just decimated there's barely any leaves on it if we were to wait another year that Island's gone and the regulations for permitting and for restoration you have to have something there say we can't put it back right and that is in fact the case between this little island and Island number two where there used to be mangroves were not allowed to put anything there so that's the first point um the second is I I wish I hope that if the speed zone is gone up to 59 or 60 and it is slow I wonder how long it's going to take to be effective I would love to have that speed zone reduction and no wake effective but I just don't I don't drive 55 it'll take a long time yeah okay is there any more any more board comments I think you were about to say we've we've run the gamut here right second so Wade would you summ Mize again what you did previously yeah I would just say that um we appreciated all the feedback uh today and it was well thought out well planned um based on that feedback we haven't heard anything to materially change our current position and intent for this direction we'll let the process continue as it is until we identify something that's material that would have us change yeah change and adjust our current position I endorse that 100% anybody want to stand up I Endor I support that thought I I'm going to rely on the uh entities that process all that information to make the proper decisions on on that Russ saying no I mean I agree with there I don't I don't I'm skeptical of processes but I do agree with the the general principle of w waiting to see I agree Jill yeah waiting to see I mean I see both sides I definitely hear you guys okay so that's the consensus we got just from hearing that so unless there's nothing else we'll move on to the next item on the agenda okay okay you thank you both very much though it was good information to keep in the back of our minds so that we can kind of keep up with this with those com you know with those thoughts because we don't want any unint consequences for sure that's what I'm afraid of yeah I understand that and I would like to second that thank you for being active thank you for stepping forward and having a voice and your opinion it's not it's not always easy when the ties moving against you we don't want it to feel like that but my interests are are probably pretty closely aligned with yours so yes thank you thank you Tom uh the next item is the state park preservation act I believe and Jay please correct me if I'm wrong Brad just put this here because he wanted to just as an item of information to let you know that Gail whatever her last name is the senator in Martin County yes who got very upset with the state relative to the proposal for uh whatever you want to call it they wanted to do in Jonathan Dickinson State Park she had stated that she was going to do uh a uh statute amendment to prohibit certain things and apparently she has filed that uh with the legislative process that is there something more to it that you're aware of Jay no other than you know when Brad does go talk to the council with his strategic plan recommendations for for you guys in the future um one of the things that that the village manager wanted was um feedback on what type of legislative things to to back back because we do have a lobbyist in Tallahassee that that you know advocates for things so if you want the council to strategically back uh Senator Harold's bill um that's something that Brad could mention to council as as something that the EAC once wants the council to push well I haven't read the whole thing but apparently I thought I saw that certain things would be allowed that go that tend to fly in the face of being you know a natural type of area that Jonathan Dickinson mostly is today I haven't fully read it yet either so if you're not comfortable with it then then maybe take a look and we can rediscussed February yes he won't have to to to make a pitch to council until March probably okay watch if you reach page 31 to 37 uh I think it's a maybe a part out of the Palm Beach post the very last paragraph is commissioner's recently approved an ordinance prepared by the County's environmental resources management department to ensure that 38 sites are never developed that was a second that was a second thing that is that the second item or is that still it was kind of wrapped in together was the state's plan and then also the county recently adopted a a plan where they're going to put 31,000 Acres 38 sites into conservation easements so they can never be developed so um not necessarily the same thing yeah different different subjects but just something I think Brad wanted you guys to be aware of yeah so um and there may be other uh proposed bills that come out between now and the next EAC meeting uh so okay so let's do that let's uh give us all a chance to read it uh thoroughly and then we can come back and take any of the actions that Jay mentioned earlier if we wish to do so for the benefit of the council and the uh lobbyist is there anything else on the agenda let's see okay staff updates Old Dixie landscape plan and then after that is Arbor Earth Day update these are just quick follow-ups from the last meeting um I think it was you Mr Bradford who asked about Old Dixie so the village does have a a plan to to invest in Old Dixie to improve it to enhance it um and the village manager actually gave me a little blurb to read to you so it's that the village continues to invest in streetscaping streetscaping and medians along Old Dixie are ongoing The Village has been working with Palm Beach County As Old Dixie is a Palm Beach County Road they own it and maintain it um the county and Village have discussed entering into an agreement to pay for planning of medians and streetscaping but the agreement was not favorable for the village this will be a topic of of discussion at the strategic planning workshop for the Village Council in February of March is something to consider moving forward from what I understand the county um kind of wanted us to pay for the planning but they wanted to have total and implementation of anything that was done there but then they'd have total say as to what we could do and what we couldn't do so we could end up paying for planning and they could say we don't like this we're not going to we're not going to let you pay for it in our own thing so um I I think that both the village attorney and Village manager did not like the terms of that so so they're they're um I think going to discuss how to kind of reapo that in this coming year again so so my I have that permit document that they have for RightWay permitting for such things at home and uh I haven't looked at it recently the uh my recollection is what the village attorney and manager don't like is the norm that's what they require everybody to do they they you have to pay for your own planning which means you know submitting it basically a permit to them that they can approve or reject or modify and then uh you can only Implement that which is in the plan and it's very strict too I mean you can't have certain trees above a you know circumference of X and so on and so forth yeah so were they looking for something you probably don't know Jay but were they looking for something that just let them do whatever they wanted to do well I think the county wasn't going to chip in I think is also part of it right so the county wanted us to pay for all of it but wanted you know full control of the project so I think I think they could maybe live with with it if the county was going to chip in I mean it is a county road right yeah so so I think that's kind of the negotiating standpoint kind of a standstill they're at right now but um I see you know what I know okay anything else to to just piggyback on that we are going to start doing a Mobility plan in the in the spring it's going to be very exciting it's a big strategic plan uh priority of the Village Council which is to look at how to improve mobility in the village biking pedestrians golf carts um I know Tom you even I think pitched that of like a circulator at one point um so just a lot of yeah a lot of different um we'll look at a lot of different interesting ways to do that we have a really great consultant um called kdon Associates who have a lot of experience in this field they're going to hold a few workshops um engage the public hopefully engage the bike and pedestrian Community um and so I hope that EAC stays engaged I'll keep you all breast of it is there's you know kind of Mobility is kind of tied in with environmental issues um but that's going to start kicking off soon um I'll keep you guys in the loop on that yeah we we did first few years of EAC first couple of years we did look at Mobility um even so far as to look at have like U uh transportation services for elderly people into Quest that would take them to shopping and so on so forth but you know it was cost prohibited basically yeah was there anything else on the agenda and then just one other quick thing Earth Day Arbor Day so mentioned that we could try and hold that remembrance park for those of you that weren't here we talked about having next year's or this coming Year's Event at remembrance Park um I did find out that it's supposed to open right after Arbor Day but it could be tracking to open up a little early so the Public Work Director wanted me to just check back in maybe early February to see where it's tracking at so if there's a possibility that we can sync it up to have it there we'll we'll try and shoot for that and if not he's given me um banon the banon property where the big banion tree Park is Constitution Park another um something that quest to drive right away Village Hall over here or even something in the Country Club wri of way as just alternative options so I'm GNA wait and see if if we can make it work for um rembrance Park but if not we'll just switch over to one of those ideas and we'll do a tree planting project somewhere so you're in regard to let's call it banion park for example if we held it there would we be planting a tree there you don't yeah you I mean I don't think you necessarily have to plant a tree at an arbor day of Celebration we could even do some cool have a memorial a memorial plaque at the tree I think is there not one I don't think there is one yeah we could do like a memorial plaque or we could find some way to celebrate that tree although I think the residents over there wanted to be kind of a their little secret so I don't know if they even want that to happen that's why I brought it up yeah yeah it's a it's a little secret neighborhood thing that no they don't want anyone to know about they might not like us planting a tree on what they think oh they don't want to tree they don't want a tree they definitely don't want a tree um but yeah there other ideas we could we could shift to so I'll find some ideas right away what's that area so I'm assuming that the public work if he threw that out he must have some plans to plant trees in the right away at some point in the country club so then he would um probably find and say hey we have a plan to put an oak tree in this one spot let's yeah we'll do there's some gaps if you go up towards the Martin County Line you'll find suddenly you're surrounded by palm trees and there's just a gap in the shade okay any other questions or anything for the good of the order um I have a an idea for a future agenda item is this the time to bring that up yeah go ahead it's just a vague concept at this point but I noticed in Stuart recently the water catchment area for one of the developments was uh environmentally scaped if that's the correct terminology to use that was very interesting so it created habitat for um animals for the birds whatever but it was done in a very natural Florida looking way and is it visually and aesthetically it was beautiful it had a marsh feel to it and it's a water catchment area did you grab a picture I did to find it at this moment would be uous so I could type that up or type it up I could submit that and with the pictures and so that you can you can look at have have you ever seen the uh uh water catchment area used by the kravis center by their their multi- Deck Parking thing it's right there sort of on the corner of I have what is that called tamrind and parobe Parker it's kind of like the way you just described this is SP and it encourages you see birds in there and wildlife in there believe it or not and it e and flows with the water it's amazing how it does River grass shows up fish show up and then dries out and it's amazing so you want to just I'm just writing my notes so you want us sort of mimic that in in the future I thought it was something to look at for the village we have that one um off of is it on Country Club Road or is that Martin County is that big um let's see not Country Club sorry um River oh Riverside Drive Riverside Drive North End yeah we have two that big catchman area it's just a Barren looking pit yeah we have two two on Riverside Drive between taquesta drive and the entrance to Quest of PS was wasn't one of them just part of the plans for remembrance to sort of connect function yes as phase two and or phase three so so yeah so maybe that be something we look closer at what the phase two plan is for those catchment areas relative to remembrance part but so that that one though is just so dry it seems most of the year so I don't I don't know that you could do a marshy area necessarily there that's true but it might be some other type of right something else you could do system to yeah um so J you would you make are you GNA have that on like your agenda to-do list to show Brad or do I have to email Brad if she just if you just email it to me and copy Brad on it we'll put on the next agenda can all add it to toist all right unless there's something else we need a motion to adjourn is there someone like to make that motion motion to adjourn is there a second second by Jill all in favor of adjournment signify by saying I I I motion carries it looks like it's roughly 350 p.m. thank you everybody thank you thank you good job Tom Tom you still got it huh you still got it not like I used to have it and there a song about that somewhere someone not like probably a few not sure it's talking about work