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>> They probably put it on or something. >> Yeah, >> because it was yours that you had it before. We figured it was your fault. >> Yeah. I mean, I do tend to put a lot of weight on. >> Was in the council. >> Yeah.
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because I had it in my calendar for the next night. Did you both text it the same day? We were in Arizona, but I had for like Wednesday. I would have missed it anyway. >> Oh, the hospital. >> No, I'm sorry. the console connection. >> Yeah, I attended
>> I had it on two days. >> They did resched because of the >> How we doing? >> Wednesday, but I got titled. >> Our travel day was like 21 hours. We got all over the world.
>> I don't know why there was no weather. >> I think it was just a southwest issue. How was the trip? >> It's a really cool place. I've never been before. Um I'd go back and like do more of the do more of a food thing. But
the hiking hiking five out of six days was over nine miles. >> The weather was probably still >> it was like 70 and 50. It was really It was nice. It rained one day a little bit. That's the day we went to the winery. There's a white
>> we went to. Yeah, we we were that's we went to it was I don't know something ranch da ranch or something >> but it was your annual one. So it was like a fair >> very very fy
log cabin was the main sister winery that was there pony rides very no I think the scenery the pictures don't do it justice the rock colorations it was like firstand like in aw
Yeah. What do you not do? You can feel you're in a painting. It's just so grand when you bunch of pictures. We would remember them and they every picture was the same. >> The hikes were fun. Did a bit
took them to like a I don't say a park, but was on a controlled run where you had rocks where you climbed them. Felt like your whole thing was going to go over. You'll know it, right? >> Depends on the top. Okay.
Hi Tom. >> Hi. >> Hey. Usually >> it's a step. Yes. It was mentioned on the TV show and she's like, "What's that?" >> So,
my head. >> Really? >> I got some great questions about that. Oh yeah. Yeah. He used to crack me up. Oh, it's Good guy. Always on. Always on. >> Right.
>> Early is a morning. >> Yeah. A couple minutes ago she said she was on the A1A bridge. So, she's she's got to be getting pretty close. She >> There she is. Right on time. >> I just missed that train, too. >> Hello.
>> Are we live, too? Okay. >> All right. Good evening, everyone. It's 6 pm. like to go ahead and call tonight's meeting to order. It's May 4th, 2026. This is our workshop meeting. Maryann, can I get roll call? >> Mayor Young >> here. >> Vice Mayor Painter
>> here. >> Council member Brandon >> here. >> Council member Sartorii >> here. >> Council member Stone >> here. >> Thank you, Maryanne. And uh tonight we are going to uh do agenda item two first, the updates to the East Coast
Greenway and Suntrail. Jay and Kim. >> Good evening. Jay Hop, community development director, and I have Kim Delaney from the Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council, and she's going to give an exciting presentation about the East Coast Greenway in Sun Trail. >> Thanks.
>> So, good afternoon. Thanks for the invitation. Uh, Kim Delaney from Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council. I haven't been in your chambers in a while. It feels so good in here. So, it always feels like you're in someone's home. So, which is a real compliment to the village, I think. Um, can I just check? Is Allison Buren available? Is she online?
>> There's someone behind you. >> Yeah, behind you. >> There she is. Okay. Allison Burson. Super. So, uh, so, um, so Jay asked if we could come do a little presentation for the building, uh, about an opportunity to designate your portion of
the East Coast Greenway alignment on US1, um, as as a village to make that request of the East Coast Greenway and also designate it as part of the Suntrail system. And so I have just a couple of slides to give you the context for how that decision um, kind of fits
into the larger picture. Okay. Um, and so, um, and everyone's familiar, I think, with the regional planning council, so I don't need to make that introduction. Perfect. So, uh, so, so Florida has a pretty robust trail network. In fact, one of the most robust trail networks, um, in in the US. So,
uh, the, uh, FD, which is the Department of Environmental Protection, maintains a trail opportunity map. Um, and the state has 15,000 miles of trail quarters that are identified, which is pretty remarkable. There about 5,000 miles that are built of that. So, and if we if we
think about um a component of that network, which are the state's sunrails or shared use network uh facilities that are the larger, more significant trail facilities, if you will, paved, ADA compliant, um connecting many of the
downtowns, but also going through um through uh state parks and connecting state parks to other destinations. There about 5,000 miles in that portion of the network that are the premium facilities. The East Coast Greenway is one of those and the various premium trail facilities
are listed on this map and there are about 1,700 miles of this 5,000 mile network that have already been constructed and the state's anticipation is that it'll take a long time segment by segment to complete the network. But ultimately this the the stay will be connected from north to south and east
to west and you'll be able to get on any portion of the trail network and continue uh to um to one of the various destinations along the facility and it will be safe and it will be accessible and there will be good surveillance and um and uh um and the network will provide for a complete experience.
The Suntrail system was was created about uh just over 10 years ago. um Florida's shared use non-motorized trail network. Um and it is that network of connected paved multi-use trails that are intended to be ideally at least 10
foot wide, although in some cases they're are more narrow. There are some eight and even six foot connectors that take you in between sections that are 10 feet or greater in width and other sections that are 10 feet or greater in width. So there's the opportunity to designate slightly smaller sections if
that's what the right of way in a particular location makes available. Um the system is designed to accommodate bicyclists, pedestrians, scooters. No conversation about whether they're motorized or not. That's an ongoing subject of debate in many places. Um but that said, it's intended to create this
safe, if you will, off-road network for people to be able to travel from place to place. Uh the program is maintained by the Florida Department of Transportation and it's carried out in partnerships with with other agencies with NPOS's which are metropolitan planning organizations and local governments as well as well as others
like the East Coast Greenway which is one of DOT's partners in this effort. Um and so just an again a quick snapshot of the Sunrail network. Um the only facility that's continuous along the east coast is the Suntrail is the east
coast greenway which runs from um its northernmost point just north of Jacksonville all the way down to Key West. Um and so Sunrail is funded by the legislature as part of FDOT's annual funding program. Some facilities can also be funded though by others. They
don't have to be funded by DOT through the Suntrail program to be identified as part of the Suntrail network. And that's a distinction I wanted to make for the village council. So there is funding specifically for Suntrail, but in addition to that, other facilities can be designated as Suntrail. They don't
have to be funded through that program to be considered part of this statewide network. Um and that's really I think the opportunity that the village has and we'll dive into that um in just a moment with the facility that you have as it exists today along US1. It can be
designated if you want that to be that designation to be shown in the statement network and um within the east coast greenway. Um trails are powerful economic engines. That's often the conversation that a lot of communities have which is you know a trail sounds interesting but why should we pursue
this designation? We have other things that are priorities. The regional planning council just completed a two-year effort on behalf of FDOT and the D as well to conduct an economic analysis of Suntrail facilities. In fact, we looked at five segments across
the state to understand with a consideration of uh visitor spending and local spending impacts on property values and just the benefits from construction activity. What happens if you put in a trail? And what happens is communities make a lot of money. Um, and
so just 1% of the network based on our analysis yields about 30 million a year in gross domestic product. That's at the county level. About 22 million in personal income, more than 300 jobs a year. Um, and then expenditures and property values are really where local
benefit um is is most realized. Um, and so folks that use the trail, um, tend to use it both locally, but also visitors come to use those trail facilities. And when they're on this facility, they stop to get a coffee, they get their bike fixed, they might spend the night, they might grab a cheeseburger. And so
there's there's a revenue capture. They might buy a t-shirt, they might buy something else, they might buy a piece of art. Um, and so those users that seek these facilities tend to spend money in local economies, and local economies really benefit from that. The other benefit is property values. Um what we
find is that properties that are within a half mile, but then those properties within a mile and five miles all find increased values because they're closer to what is considered a premium trail facility. And those are like like residential values, which is the focus
of this study. When you look at like product that's within a half mile or a mile or five miles from a trail to those that are beyond that, they don't have that same bump in value. So there is a direct value to to residential property values which again comes back to the village in different ways. And so and so
with that um I wanted to mention also that Florida also has what's called a trail town program and the trail program was developed by the legislature. It's carried out by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and it identifies communities who go through a
self- selection process uh to justify their inclusion if you will in the Trailtown program. There's special marketing that comes through visit Florida and other me other means to share to to steer visitors into those communities. People can pick up trail
town stickers in various locations within town. They can put up placards on their businesses. And so again, this is another contributor to local economic productivity, which is which is often a very desirable outcome from trail designations for local communities. And
so with that, I know Allison is on the call. Allison is uh with East Coast Greenway. She's actually the national greenway director. So Alison, you're there, right? >> There we go. I see you there. So I'm >> Yes. Hello. Can people hear me? >> Yes. >> And you say slide. I'll click forward
for you. Okay. >> Fabulous. So thank you so much for having me tonight. >> Um and I'm so excited to be joining you. I'm in Maine. Um, and I, as Kim said, I'm our national greenway director and I oversee Greenway Allianc's trail program
development from Maine to Florida. And just I want to preface this conversation with I'm really excited to be talking with you because when I look at examples of where trail development is going remarkably fast and having incredible community impact and economic impact um
your region sort of Martin and Palm Beach County are the places that I'm just blown away with how how impactful the trails are. So let me step back and tell you a little bit about East Coast Greenway Alliance. So, the East Coast Greenway Alliance is a nonprofit that is
working on connecting Maine to Florida with a fully protected, separated walking and biking path. So, that's 3,000 miles of trail Maine to Florida, connecting the most densely populated part of the East Coast. Next slide, please. >> Popping up your little icons that
describe 15 states and 450 communities and 50 million annual rides. >> Yes. Um, and then so East Coast Greenwood was founded in 1991 and at this point were a little bit more than a third of the
trail complete after about 35 years. Um, and trail progress can take time and it's really exciting to see how fast trail development and planning is accelerating in your region. Um, but it started out sort of over 35 years ago
with people having a vision of wouldn't it be amazing if we could connect Maine to Florida by trail. Next slide. Um, and we're connecting an incredible diversity of communities and ecosystems from the Canadian border in Callus,
Maine, which is a very small town to the Florida Keys. Um, so we're connecting from the moose to the manatee. And I will say that we get the most interest in visiting trails in Maine and in Florida because those are the biggest tourism states on the greenway.
Next slide, please. Um and so the completed sections of the greenway will pass through um thousands of miles of parks and sort of is most visited park in the US because it's a linear path that's going through many of our biggest urban populations on the
east coast. So park that's accessible to all and not necessarily with car needed. Um next slide please. So zooming into Florida. So the east coast greenway starts in Florida up in
um Vernina Beach, Ameilia Island, which amazing trail there and goes all the way down to Key West. 274 miles of spine trail and then there's a complimentary route um that sort of around the St.
John's River um or um sort of in from St. Augustine um and um almost 70% of the spine route is complete or in an advanced stage of planning or development which means there's a design and plans for building
something. Next slide please. Um so East Coast Greenway Alliance what we are working on is sort of support for advocacy planning and design to help leverage state and federal dollars to build this public infrastructure for
trails. And in a rough estimate in our time um you last 35 years 20 million in donations has been to our organization has been turned into two billion in public infrastructure investment. And I love those numbers because when you look
at return on investment in trails from sort of the local dollars and initial match to the state and federal matches, the return on investment sort of higher than you see for almost any other projects. Um, and I worked at a foundation that supported trail development prior to my job at East
Coast Green Alliance. And again, I just love looking at the return on investment on trails for a community. Um, next slide, please. Um, so our goal with the East Coast Greenway Alliance, we want as many people as possible to
have access to trails, to safe places for walking and biking near where they live. Um, so we want connections to existing trails and where there aren't existing trails, we want to see more trails developed. Next slide. Um, and in Florida, there's a really
strong ecosystem already for trail funding. Um, there's the federal transportation alternatives program, there's discretionary federal programs, there's the states on trails programs. So again, in Florida, there's
so many opportunities that not every state has for trail funding and to develop the east coast greenway. Um, next slide. um as we're looking at different ways trails are used. One example is um kids
being able to commute to school by bike. Um next slide. Um sharing some celebrations along the greenway. This year we've seen a number with sort of all the federal investment trails the past few years. This year
we've had a number of ribbon cutting. So the next couple slides just show you ribbon cutings in a couple areas. And I was really excited to be down um in Jupiter in October for ribbon cutting. But this slide here is a ribbon cutting um in downtown Philadelphia, which is a
key link in the circuit rails. Um next slide. Um this is a connection of the East Coast Greenway right on the Yale campus. It's sort of a cut bridge, a cut tunnel that goes right through campus. Um, that
connects this with this connection. It means that New Haven is pretty much fully connected by trail to the Massachusetts border. Next slide. This was a ribbon cutting this fall um for um the bridge over the Ptoxit River. Um so
this is the connection outside DC. That means that you have almost complete trail connection from DC to Annapolis and then on to Baltimore. And that's about 70% complete. Now, next slide. Um,
and this was the one of the first segments of the fall line opening just outside Richmond earlier this year. Um, next slide. Um, I want to show a couple examples of what the trail looks
like and what the East Coast Greenway looks like in Florida because as you're in more rural and more suburban and more urban places, there's a lot of different contexts that you're building trail for and it doesn't all need to look the same. And as Kim was saying, what we
were hoping is that you will agree to designate your segment of trail as part of this National East Coast Greenway route. I want to assure you that, you know, your section of trail doesn't need to look exactly like one place or another, but just show you that how it
fits in the context of other places in the state. So, here's example of trail on Amelia Island, trail in Jacksonville. Next slide, um, Riverwalk in Jupiter, trail in Miami Beach.
Um, next slide, Miami Underline and Key West. Um, so again, you see there's so many different ways to build really accessible and comfortable trail. Um, and you know, as
Kim was talking about, trails really are a path to economic development and outdoor recreation and tourism. And when I was down in October, I was so so grateful that Village Bike um and Don Harvin were able to rent me a bike and I was able to get on some of the mountain
bike trails in Jonathan Dickinson State Park and there's some of most amazing trails. I'd never been on sand trails before. So just amazing. And it when I left, I was sort of told everyone I was down here. It was an amazing trip. And the very best part was I got to see um
this amazing park and I was able to get a bike and get out there and wouldn't have been able to do that without the resources of a local bike shop. Next slide. Um here's a photo of our current board chair who joined our board after biking
from Maine to Florida. Um here's a picture of her at the beginning or end of the trail in Callus. Um and next slide. Um, and here is another photo of someone who cycled the whole greenway. Um, this
is Avery who he lives in Wells and he did the whole trail by unicycle. And we by no means expect, anticipate or sort of planning this trail for unicycling to bike 3,000 miles. And I just want to give you a sense again of the diversity
of users from people riding all the way main to Florida to people out walking their dogs um or going to school along the trail. Um, so before I hand it back to Kim to talk a little bit more about the specific portion of the greenway that
we're hoping that you'll agree to designate, I want to say again that um we're hoping that you would like to be part of sort of an officially recognized as part of this national route and national trail network. And that's sort of the ask we're coming to you with
tonight. Um, and so I'll turn it back to Kim and I'm also happy to answer questions once Kim is done. >> Super. I couldn't make it on a unicycle across your parking lot. So that's really really impressive. So So in the village of Tquesta, um, of course the the trail is built and
designated north of you up to Jonathan Dickinson State Park. So you've seen that facility. That's a 12 foot wide path. It's on the west side of US one. And the opportunity that the village has if it wants to is to request that that section in the village limits from County Line Road down to Beach Road be
designated officially as East Coast Greenway. Um it is um it is eligible in its built condition. Sorry about that. It's eligible in its existing condition. Uh when Allison was down here in October for the ribbon cutting or rather the marker designation ceremony for the
Jupiter Federal Bridge, we rode the section um and talked about its potential for designation. Um because it has a nice bike lane protecting the sidewalk. That sidewalk is a much safer facility than it otherwise would be. Um and Allison's assessment from the
greenways perspective is that section as it's constructed today is eligible for designation and inclusion on the east coast greenway network. And as I mentioned um the state will allow a local government to request any facility that's appropriate be included in the
Suntrail system. So you can also have it identified as part of the Suntrail network if you prefer. it positions the village to receive other dollars for complimentary improvements through FDOT once you have a designated facility um that is part of the Sunrail network. So
that's advantageous we would suggest as your regional planning council. So it's a way to bring more of your tax dollars home if you will to do other things through DOT system um to uh to complement um a a Suntrail segment if you will. Um the um what's happening
around you is pretty significant. And so, um, many of you may have seen some of the newspaper coverage, uh, that came out in January describing all the different things happening with respect to the East Coast Greenway and this portion of Florida. And Allison alluded
to that. Um, we have probably more activity underway in the Treasure Coast region than any other region along the East Coast, which is kind of a cool thing. If you're following Treasure Coast Regional Planning Council actions, um, the, uh, all of St. Lucy County is
completely aligned and under construction or in the FDOT funding program. So all of St. Lucy County is is essentially determined. Indian River County is already constructed. So those are the two northernmost counties north of us up in Martin County. Um the entire
corridor from um from Cove Road down to County Line Road is either existing under design or in the construction budget. So that takes you from Cab Branch State Park, if you will, down to Jonathan Dickinson State Park. Um some
of those sections will be under construction later this year. Others are being completed in design and will be unc under construction through about 2030. So that's a continuous facility to your north. if you will. And then to the south, um the Jupiter Riverwalk, um is
one of the most significant segments of the East Coast Greenway and Suntrail in Palm Beach County. And of course, Jupiter's Riverwalk has a long history. It's a 20-year-old facility. Uh this map is from the most recent update to the Jupiter CRA plan, and it shows the
alignment of the Riverwalk. where it's constructed is in green and where it is in concept, if you will, is in the kind of the yellow and the purple. Um, and so with that, there's actually most recently
uh a Suntrail feasibility study. Did I miss a slide? I did. So back in October, there was actually a marker designation ceremony to celebrate the completion of the Jupiter Federal Bridge, uh which um uh which is appropriate for designation
because it's a bridge and has some constraint. So that said, it has a 7 foot wide bike lane and an 8 foot wide grade separated path along both sides of the bridge. And so there was a pretty well attended marker designation ceremony and East Coast Greenway is now
positioned to formally designate that section of trail from Beach Road, which is your uh which is your southern limit all the way down to A1A. Um and then there's a feasibility study underway that is funded that is analyzing where the alignment would be from the
touchdown of the bridge at A1A to Harbor side. And so these couple of maps illustrate what's being evaluated whether it's going to be on the east side or the west side of US1. Um and then of course it's already constructed from Harborside all the way south to Ocean Drive. Um so the total segment is
about 22 miles, pardon me, from Cove Road all the way down to the southern end of um Jupiter's Riverwalk with the Toquesta piece being a portion of that. Um and so so and I I touched on the feasibility study through um uh from County Line
Road North. Um the the facility is funded through Jonathan Dickinson State Park, pardon me, through a different federal grant program called the Federal Land Access Program. Uh so the trail will be constructed through Jonathan Dickinson State Park to the northern end
and then it's already designed from the northern end of Jonathan Dickinson up to Osprey and then funded from Osprey over to uh Gomez existing through Gomez um through Cab Branch State Preserve all the up to Cove Road and then Martin County is evaluating the alignment from
Cove Road north to downtown Stewart. So that's the continuity of the section that's um that's um that's already happening around you. Um and so with that, there we go. Um it is also valuable to point out, pardon me, uh the river to ocean, um the
uh the river to ocean trail that exists from from uh uh through northern Palm Beach County also intersects, if you will, the Suntrail facility. So as those other sections are designated, the funding to build additional connections
to that facility are advanced. So again, it just makes all of the other connections more competitive. Um, and so with that, I'll pass the clicker back over to Jeremy. Happy to answer questions if you have. So, thank you, >> JD. >> Yeah, just uh one kind of quick summary
slide here. Um, so thank you so much, Kim and Allison. That was that was fantastic. Just kind of wrapping it up. Um, next steps here for us would be to designate US1 into Questa as part of the East Coast Greenway. We can do that via resolution. Um, and then we would have some sort of grand opening event like
you you saw Kim showed that Jupiter had. Um, as she said, everything is already in place for that designation. So, it's it's just kind of a formality. Um, Jupiter is currently working on a Suntrail study. It's from, as Kim said, kind of the southern portion all the way to the northern boundary of of uh
Jupiter, which is, of course, on the west side of the road. However, while Jupiter was evaluating things and while while um the consulting team was looking at it and and I did I was on a workshop with them, we all agreed that it actually makes sense if there's going to
be a a new kind of protected bike lane to put it actually on the east side of the road. So, Jupiter is funding this study up to their northern limits, which actually um is adjacent to our our eastern side of the road. So they're they're essentially funding the design
of it all the way to uh to Quester Drive or waterway. So um we'll continue working with the town of Jupiter on that and um some funding opportunities. So Sunrail is funded through FDOT and through the state. So it may be a really good good way to get some funding and as Kim pointed out, it might even be able
to fund that that US1 link of that river to ocean trail we've been talking about. So you'd have a um go back here and show you real quick. So, so on the east side of the road there, you'd have a um protected, it'd be a 12-oot shared use path on the east
side of the road. Um with a a landscape strip there, and you'd essentially be eliminating that on street bike lane that's on the eastern side of the road. Um which, you know, I think everybody that's a cyclist prefers to to be in a a truly protected uh bike lane. And uh so
we'll um we'll keep working with Jupiter on this. they're kind of in they're still in the design phase and the the planning phase of their their Suntrail study. Uh but we will likely bring back some some more information about that as that project progresses. But for now, the big takeaway is if council supports
it, we can bring back a resolution for East Coast Greenway designation. That's it. >> Would you mind pulling up the plan view that showed it going to Dequesta Drive? >> Sure. >> So, There it is right there at beach. Uh so
that's at beach road. So you'd have a um 4 and a half foot landscape buffer, 2 and a half foot curb and gutter. Um the town of Jupiter and us want to come up with a because this will also mirror what they're doing south of the bridge. Uh we want to come up with a way where you'd have some native plantings in that
4 and 1/2t landscape buffer as well. And then you would have a 12ft shared use path. So you really would have enough room where, you know, if somebody's walking by with a child in a stroller, you could just, you know, bike right by them without without slowing down or an obstruction
and then continues on and then continues on to toquest drive or waterway. And then ideally, you know, long term, we could you'd have a crossing there. We we'd probably do some sort of specialized crossing at to Questa Drive and then we'd be able to
connect into a shared use path onto Questa Drive that would then kind of link through the spine of the village, connect to um Constitution Park, Remembrance Park all the way through to Riverside. So you have this really nice connected um bike trail system and then of course you could hypothetically take
that to the beach or you could connect into Jupiter's trail system. So you you really have this whole, you know, great area of bike trails. >> And does that align with our um overlay district that we did?
>> Yeah. Yeah. There there's no um conflicts with the overlay district because this would all be this would all be in the rightway. Everything that's happening in the overlay district would be happening on on the residents property. >> Right. We did have we had rightaway improvements if am I remembering this
correctly? Didn't we have like um sidewalk improvements for all the overlay districts too that were in that plan that Treasure Coast regional planning did? >> I think we did. I would just make sure that those kind of align with our vision. >> Sure. >> I think it does. I think it's pretty spot on because I think from that from
that those sheretss and the um plan we put together that was that was the big thing with the US one. It's like no one's really using it because it's still not very welcoming from a biking and you know pedestrian standpoint. >> There was a concept in the in the original village master plan that wanted
to to use the the properties to create landscape buffers along US1. Um, so when there were opportunities when those properties were redeveloping where they would maybe use a portion of their parking lot to create a more dense uh landscape buffer or if there was an
opportunity to to bump that landscape buffer out into the rightway a little bit, they would do that. But it's it's not in the overlay. I I'll I'll double check. >> Oh, it was in the plan that created the overlay district. Sorry. Yeah, it was in the plan, not specifically in the overlay districts that were codified.
>> Yeah, maybe just double check that for alignment, too. >> Sure. Okay. anything else for that you were going to add before I open up? No. All right, I'll open it up for discussion. >> Um, thank you to everyone that was here this evening. Um, I like this. I think there's some unintended benefits that,
you know, that we learned through FDOT and things like that. And I think it's also consistent with moving people through the village. Um, and it kind of strengthens that river to trail or river to ocean plan that we had discussed. So, I think this is a great idea. There's no cost to us at this time to to designate
it. Correct. Correct. >> So, I'm on board. So, thank you very much for your input. >> Hang on. I'll pull up my map. So, when you say there's no cost to us, how do you do we get that in writing? >> And I'm serious. I'm like dead serious. >> Sure.
>> We before before a resolution would come forward, we'll we'll confirm in writing that there will be no cost. >> I'm like fully dead serious about that. >> No, I get it. um whether it even says even if it has to be done in sections or it doesn't get done unless it's funded,
but I'm dead serious about that. >> Um I have actual infrastructure concerns about it. The Do you know the size of the current bike lanes, how wide they are? >> I believe they're seven foot buffer bike lanes, five foot lane with a two foot
buffer. So, and again, this is just looking at this like I'm not out there standing measuring with you or whatever. I'm concerned of adding more infrastructure widened sidewalk paths because
South Florida is growing and even north of us is booming and we this is the one road that handles all the traffic back and forth back and forth through our town. And I'm not saying it's going to happen in five years, but when I think long term, what happens if FOT needs to
return the third lane to handle the influx in South Florida? That's again, now we're going to spend money to take that out. I just don't want to keep going back and forth, back and forth with infrastructure. And that looks like it would be going down the entire way
and it would be somewhat permanent. And that's really, and that's not even on new, that's just on a putting it out there like future aspect. Um, I know Jupiter is also looking at how do they increase their infrastructure to handle their growth and they have more growth coming. And so I'm always consistently
think about that. Why are we looking to shrink things when that's a a main road is considered a highway. I mean that's an old school Florida highway connects like you said from Florida all the way up to Maine. That is for me already an existing path. You could literally drive
that path. We've had people who have walked that entire path from the Keys all the way up to Tallahassee um in protest of some sort. So, I don't see why we need to make drastic changes to it when it already exists. So, I'm kind
of just figuring out what is the problem we're trying to fix because be realistic in this world. I don't see more people walking the US one or trying to bike somewhere. I'm not saying they don't do it, but I don't see society
going that drastically backwards to like 1960s. I see us getting more modern and technology. And yes, at some point it will have to come down and crash, but that could be when we're all gone and my grandkids are here or something. So, I have concerns of adding permanency and
I'm looking for what is the issue we're trying to solve next. So, so there are two separate actions that um I think are subject to the council's discussion. One of them is whether or not the council wants the east coast greenway to be
designated in the alignment along US1 um to be part of that larger network and whether or not you also want that section to be included in the Suntrail network as it exists today. No change is necessary. cost being if you want
special signage that tells people you have arrived in the village of Tquesta on this section of East Coast Greenway that would be a local responsibility >> right um but no changes necessary to the corridor as it exists today so I want to be clear in that um separate from that
but related to it is what might the configuration be along US1 over time um and so these drawings which are in a draft draft form that DOT is going to be presenting in a series of workshops I think in July um is for that feedback um
to ultimately determine how might the roadway be configured differently. So it's already a four-lane section as we know there are no plans that I'm aware of at all that DOT has indicated a need for more capacity um because I95 provides that par that parallel to the
roadway that didn't exist when it was expanded initially. So um so that capacity that north south capacity exists on alternate on alternate corridors. Um and so again with respect to the roadway itself, no changes but
coming to you over time will be a set of drawings like these for you to provide input as to what your preference is as a local community um as to the configuration of the road separate from whether or not you want that alignment to be the alignment for the East Coast
Greenway. Again, it can be designated as it is today. Um, it is um um it is a local prerogative. There's lots of nice things that come with that. There aren't particular downsides that have been communicated to me by communities that have been designated. So, there's nice
national coverage and statewide coverage, a lot of social media um you know, marketing as to where segments are connected and what you can do along those segments. Um, so that's that's again a separate conversation from how might the roadway be adjusted over time
and that's what Jeremy was alluding to. These are again draft plans that are moving through time. Some future decision that would be influenced by the council as to how that might be configured. >> Okay. Sure. >> Next. >> My turn.
>> Yeah. >> Perfect. Um Jay, with the sidewalk being 10 feet um in width, would that allow a golf cart? >> It it's proposed to be 12 ft, but I I do not believe it will be golf cart
accessible. Uh I don't think that's the intent of Yeah, it's it's not the intent of it to make it golf cart accessible. So, no. >> Okay. >> All right. >> No, I think generally it's really cool. Um, specifically speaking to the just the
designation side of it, um, I guess we'd have to cross the bridge when we get there as to the improvements if any, but I I think it's a great idea to continue the network and, you know, designate it as part of the Florida East Coast. Uh, what I just lost it. What is it again?
>> Greenway. Um, but I think generally it's I'm I'm in favor of it assuming there's no costs and we don't have to do any major improvements. I think it's a great idea. Not to say we may not want to, but >> yeah, I don't see any downside to
designating it um as is. And uh Kim, you had brought up that if we do receive the designation that there's funding for potential improvements, whether that's for a long US one or some
of our other plans from our uh mobility plan. So, but what qual I mean what would qualify like any improvement that we would want to make or is it are there like only certain things that would qualify for funding under the designation?
>> Sure. So, so the designation doesn't trigger the need for improvements. So, but having a designated corridor makes you more competitive as a municipality in securing funds for landscaping, for signage, for placemaking, for um
interconnecting adjacent sites if you want to. So, there's all sorts of safety and beautifification funding that exists out there that you become better positioned to secure. The other type of funding that you become more competitive for are connections to a trail. So once
you have an official east coast greenway segment that's also part of the Suntrail network, well every connection you make to that facility becomes more competitive for funds that come through FDOT and the NO, the Metron planning organization for bicycle pedestrian
connectivity. Um and so so that's where I think it might position you um in a in a competitive place. Again, I I don't hear a lot from communities about the downsides of these designations, but there is a lot of celebration about the upside for things
like that. So, and because those communities really like to get national splashes in the media or having a facility. So, I did mention uh the opportunity for specific signage to the village. Um the regional planning council would be happy to assist with
some type of designation ceremony or marker designation ceremony. We've we made our first um our first uh marker designation poster for the village for the uh for the town of Jupiter that's now hanging in FDOT's headquarters. It's
hanging in a couple of offices around Palm Beach County and around the country, organizations that really focus on these types of things. So, it's I think the town views it as very valuable marketing. There's also been national a uh national recognition through the East
Coast Greenway Alliance for that ceremony. and then the additional designations to follow. So those are those are just earned media opportunities that are that are hard to get. Right. So it's it's just an an option for the village.
>> Okay. Yeah. I think the fact that um you even said, you know, potential funding opportunities down the road should we receive the designation, you know, include beautifification. You know, beautifying US1 has been on our on our radar for quite some time. Um I always
say, you know, we have a almost complete complete street with US1 because it's really lacking um with shade and like said a better buffer from the cars for the bikes and pedestrians. So this designation could lead to future
discussions on how to how to achieve those goals. Um especially the opportunity of more funding to to help us with that, which I think would be fantastic. All right. Any other questions or comments from council? >> No, ma'am. No. No. >> Marian, any uh comment cards for agenda
item two? No. >> No. Any public comment? Kimberly, if you can come up to the podium, state your name and address. >> Kimberly Windish 72, yach club, please. I came on a whim tonight just to see what was going on. I didn't know this was on the agenda, but um since 2015, I
have ultrarun I have ultrarun all over the state and this is amazing and um maybe if you don't know what ultrar running is, you don't understand how many people would love this like love it. So, it's very exciting and I hope you guys go for it.
>> Thank you. >> Any other public comment? Because I don't I don't know if you guys if you go and look it up, there's a 47mi trail in Penllis County, the Penllis Trail. So every Labor Day, they have a race there for the 47 miles. It brings a lot of
people to the state and with this, you know, connecting to others. I've always wanted to bring an ultra race to this part of Palm Beach County. So maybe that's something that I will be able to do because I always wondered where everybody would race, you know, to make
it, you know, 1500 miles. But, um, I think it's a great great idea and it would I think it would bring a lot to the Questa. >> Great. Thank you. Any other public comment? All right. Well, thank you for your time this evening. We really appreciate it.
And uh, Jay, I guess you'll be bringing a resolution. Would that be the next step to council? >> Yes, it will. >> Thank you. Thank you very Thank you. >> Thanks, Alison. >> All right, moving back up to agenda item one, village of the quest of space need study presented by Song and Associates.
>> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, council, Allison Bberg, utilities director. Um, tonight Jill Lanigan is here from Song and Associates to present on the space need study that was done um for utilities and for village hall.
>> Thank you. Good evening everyone. I'm Jill Lanigan with Song and Associates Architects. Very pleased to be here and to share this exciting space needs study of your village facilities. Uh we're going to talk tonight primarily about the two areas of study that we focused
on. First being Village Hall and potential improvements here to functionality and the the workplace environment and the services to the public. and then I'll pause for some questions there and then we can proceed with talking about the water utilities department and the expansion and
improvements that they may need. So again I'll begin with village hall. Uh this is the existing plan of the building we're in this evening. Um primarily our study focused on several needs. Uh first of all the lack of
meeting space for staff and for visiting public. Uh secondly, some of the support spaces as well as space within the departments and the efficiency of that workplace. And third, the circulation through the
building and the separations of public and private staff zones of the building. So I won't bore you with the details of the many charts I'm about to click through. Uh but we did meet with each of the departments of Village Hall and talk
to them about their needs and especially looking at their projected growth over the next 10 years and beyond. Staff was very conservative with this. We have a net gain of two staff positions within the building, but there is already a bit
of overcrowding within some of the departments and for their functionality. So I'll just hit some of the highlights here on these charts. Don't expect you to read the details here. Um, the village manager suite, no needs there beyond perhaps some improvements to
cabinetry and storage. With human resources, the primary requests were for privacy and meeting space for applicants and for staff when they come in uh with issues. The clerk's office had similar
requirements. The clerk's office is one of the spaces that is actually projecting to add staff. They're adding a communications and marketing staff person within the next five years. And uh there's a a lack of space there for that as well. Uh utility customer
service primary issue there is that the manager of that group is located all the way across the building. Um and they also could benefit from improved workspace. The building department is needs a little bit more efficiency in their
space, but also building department as well as community development both have only one means of egress out of their space and it is into a public realm of the building. Um, we look at finance again, no real needs for finance other than maybe some
improvements of their storage. So, I'll bring you to the existing plan with some color highlighting here that might be a little easier to understand. Um, and I'll point out from the main lobby, the building department to the left or north and the utility customer service area to
the right. And you'll see the existing curved reception desks for customer service in both those locations. um leading to very inefficient space behind and also wide open views into those work areas.
And I'll draw your attention also to the very top of the screen. The existing break room is really a long corridor type space. Really a lot of cabinetry, but only room to seat about two to four people uh at a lunchtime. And you can
see there also where the utility customer service manager's office is located. um very far from the staff in that area. Also, the archive is located in an internal space that you actually have to go through the utility customer
service manager's office in order to reach that archive space. So, I'm going to walk through a couple of options. These are conceptual at this point. These are for planning purposes and to get a sense of budget and a sense of possibilities of the space. Um before I
go there, I do want to highlight this area in red is currently the public access areas of village hall. So you can see the corridors extending around both sides of this space uh to access to restrooms on both the north and south
sides of the building. And you can see here where the building department and community de development actually egress out into that public zone as well. utility customer service also exits out into that public zone.
So when we look at this first option, I'll begin at the top of the screen. This is proposing a small expansion of the the space out into what is really under the roof line but underutilized space outside the building.
Expanding the break room and remodeling it into a much more usable space. We like to think of break rooms as not just a place where you're having lunch, but a place that can be used throughout the day, throughout the work week for gathering of staff, uh for meetings, for
trainings. It should truly be a multi-use, multi-purpose space. Uh you can see there also, we're creating a new corridor that would connect one side of the building to the other. Right now, if you're going from the manager suite over to finance, you actually have to go
through that small breakroom space or out through the public lobby side. So, this would improve circulation throughout the building and connection between departments. We would incorporate there an additional conference room. So, right now there's the one very large conference room
that's part of the manager suite which you see to the right of your screen. And uh it's often frequently over booked. So having that additional conference room can serve a lot of purposes, including another space for council to meet with a resident that may come in or for an
executive session, breakout space. Uh many uses for that type of conference room. We also have a visiting office incorporated there that could be used for growth or for a director from another department coming into village hall for some time.
As far as the archive, we can really make use of utilizing that proposed corridor space and incorporate that archive in a way that it's not only secured storage, but also display and an opportunity to celebrate some of the great things that are in your archive.
Now, so you see the image in the upper right corner is an example of what that archive could look like. And with this, again, you see the red highlighted areas as the public circulation. What we would propose is to relocate the secured doors
that are here to your right, my left. Um, and and move those forward and around the corner to allow building department to egress out into a secured corridor separate from the staff and public areas. And then on the south
side, we would also move the secured doors that exist right out here just a little bit forward to create a vestibule. So that will allow circulation for staff and for council out of the council chambers into the staff areas. Restrooms
on the north side of the building could be used for staff and council. The restrooms on the south side here could continue to be used for the public and it does help with the overall uh secured space and functionality for the departments in that regard. You'll also
see some highlights around the building department and utility customer service at the lobby space. I mentioned those two large uh curved customer service counters. And with this, we would propose to square that off to make the workspace a lot more
efficient and to narrow but still provide a generous customer service counter in those areas. You could decide to incorporate glass in those. Glass was always something that was considered unfriendly in our public buildings, but since COVID, everyone is really much
more welcoming of a glass divider and it does help um with a sense of security for both staff and the public. Um, also direct your attention to the right hand side of the image. An expansion for HR
and for the clerk's office to create actual enclosed offices. One for the HR generalist and the other for the deputy clerk who's right now in a shared space. So, small offices, but the ability to have some privacy for phone calls and conversations.
We have a variation on this option which I'll share with you and it's outlined there in the blue dashed area. So the rest of the option is is the same as what we just looked at but in this option too it would suggest decreasing the size of the HR director's office as
well as the clerk's office. Right now those are very long oversized offices. We would decrease those still adding offices for deputy clerk and HR manager but also creating a small public
conference room adjacent to that area highlighted in red. This would be a place that could serve multiple departments. So if the building department has a need to sit down with an an applicant right now they look at plans within the building officials
office. So bringing them through a staff area and into an office. If someone needs to meet about their water bill with utility customer services, no place right now to bring them to sit down and have a conversation that might need a bit of privacy. Likewise for HR
applicants that are coming in or even the public coming in to view some records through the clerk's office of the archive. So that could provide a lot of flexibility. That would be a small space but would accommodate up to four people comfortably to get that little separation from doing business within
the lobby. Again, the same uh improvements here are suggested for the secured points along the corridor. And of course, when we look at these options, we do want to take a look at cost. The conceptual plans here as well
as this conceptual cost is really for purposes of project planning and to identify a budget number. Uh so at the top you see the hard construction cost both for the remodeling and for the minor addition of to expand the break
room totaling up to about 1.5 million. But that's just construction hard cost. We always want to look at project cost to make sure we're budgeting correctly. So we do include here a building soft cost. That's going to be the furniture, fixtures, equipment, professional fees,
etc. And that 35% is a number that's been proven over many public projects. I would think with this being a remodeling, it would probably come in closer to 30%, but again, for planning purposes, we're showing that at 35 plus a suggested project contingency.
whenever we're working with an existing building, there's always some unforeseen things that come up in the course of a project. Uh so with that, it brings the project budget to about 2.3 in this. And I'll pause right here before we move on to utilities if
there's any questions on the village hall portion. >> Thank you, Jill. Council, I'll open it up for discussion. >> I have nothing at this point. So the top of your design that has the break room, is that expanding or is that
staying within within the existing square total of the footprint on the east side of the building? >> So if you see the existing plan here and you see that existing break room highlighted in pink, um just to the east of that or the top of the screen, there's two mechanical rooms out there
and then there's a space in between that's actually under the roof line of the building. So, this would be expanding out into that space. And I'll click to the proposed to create a more square, more usable, multi-purpose break
room space. >> So, it would not necessarily be cutting into the parking lot. >> Correct. Yes. It would not go outside of the building footprint and roof line. >> Okay, that was it. I know we do a lot of um studies and
this is one of those studies where you came in and did a lot of research and look like a very good study and probably a lot of value added to the staff here. Um I would maybe counter the study with utilizing technology and making sure
that um we have the right amount of staff um to counter maybe that idea. Um so that would be my only recommendation if we continue to move forward to look at that as well. Uh yeah, I don't I don't have any questions or comments. Just taking it
all in. >> It all makes sense. So, >> absolutely. >> Um a couple things. I think it would help council and and Jill, I don't know that this necessarily comes from you. It probably comes from the manager or or other staff members, but I think it would help uh council make our decisions
on what we would like to do if we understand the needs and the wants, right? because there's always wants in plans like this, but then there's going to be the actual needs. So, we should have an understanding of of what that is, whether that's needs and wants for the space or needs and wants for future
potential new employees, new positions that are created. Um, I think council should decide what our ultimate goal is with, and I'm talking really both. I'm talking broadly, but I'm going to talk specifically on this plan, too, is what's what's our what's our goal here?
We always want to be as cost effective as possible, right? We should always be that um cost effective. But I'm also thinking long-term maximizing our space. Um when I, you know, got on board with
okaying this space plan design, my thought was for a more efficient layout in this building. And I think there's a ton of wasted space in here. And as we grow, I think the bones of this building are good and we don't necessarily need a bigger building, but the internal layout
could be a lot more efficient. The two options provided do not seem to provide any more efficiencies in the building. In in my opinion, um there's a lot of there's added offices. There's in my opinion too many offices, which there's added hallways and corridors. Um you
know, did you guys do Jupiter's new town hall? I don't >> we did yes >> I mean I think they have a blend of office and open space right absolutely so >> this layout's very archaic in my opinion too with current office based design standards um so but again that's a council decision do we want to just
>> do this kind of minor update that in my opinion doesn't really bring many efficiencies to this building or do we want to think really long term big picture what you know even if it costs a little bit more money because the renovations are um a little more intense
of is that better for us long term >> for this building? I see this as a full want only cuz I have not heard any massive complaints of quality of service or anyone bursting at the seams necessarily, especially since most things are techn most the things are run
through technology now. I like some of the things that are on there. Um, I I understand we we could and we probably would fit inside the current footprint of adding a public conference room that doesn't have to take people
necessarily all the way through village hall to that back room. But I I could see a smaller version even if there's just interviews being done. But for me, this building is primarily a want and not a need. Um, and then again, when I look at cost and where I'm going
to rank that versus what the residents need right now with their tax money, this is not really high up there for this building. Yeah. And just some ideas, you know, and this would be more what I pictured as as doing a uh and this is long game, too, right? This isn't something we're doing
like next year. This is this is long-term plan. So, as as if we do continue to grow um and as a building ages that we, you know, have a plan in place. um that we can utilize. So, you know, the bathrooms, you're enclosing
one uh of the men and women's bathrooms behind security. You know, could that bathroom go up to the break room area? I'm assuming there's plumbing. Um so, it would be an a, you know, decent location since there's plumbing already there to relocate a bathroom. And then you can
open up that whole space, reduce the offices, have some more open work space, you know, put a phone room or huddle room in if there's a privacy issue. So that I'm kind of thinking like really really a bigger picture, modernize the layout um and really make the the
building a lot more efficient. So like I am not on board with um the improvements I see right now. >> Um just to touch on a few items there. First of all, you're absolutely right that you don't need to grow beyond the footprint of this building. I mean other than that, there's some opportunities
for some additional expansion. you do have some some porch areas even to the south side. Things like that could be incorporated. But looking at the square footage needs, it it's really not justifying an expansion of the building. I think what we tried to focus on were
the needs that seemed um most urgent to staff. And so, um, items that were wishless, perhaps a break room such as this is not needed in terms of expansion, but you realize that a lot of the staff is either eating their lunch
at their desk within the workspace or they're going outside or out to their cars or around the community. Um, so it's definitely a space that could bring a lot of benefit. Other than that, we tried to stick with the the bones of the building and try to show how you could
make those more minor improvements. Um, finance and the village manager's office really did not have a need. Um, finance is quite generous in terms of of space. And I don't know if you can see there in the plan, but the original building,
that area that is now finance, actually connected through a corridor through where community development is. So that was one connected suite behind the scenes, but again there's a lot of circulation space in the building um that could be better utilized. So we
could look at a more indepth um remodeling of the building. This was intended to solve some of those problems, especially the privacy concerns and security concerns of separating the areas of the building without doing that sort of major
construction and rework. When you do that type of project, you always have to take into account what are you doing with staff in the meantime? Where do you have swing space to relocate functions during that extensive um remodeling and
then it's at a certain point you're rearranging space without getting huge gains in terms of functionality. Um so this was one look at having to address some of those particular issues especially I would say in terms of office space you know the industries
have moved toward more of an open work setting however where you have security concerns here is for instance in HR right now somebody coming in as an applicant or an employee that's maybe going through a personal issue that needs a conversation can only have that
in the HR director's office so that's not always the appropriate place especially to bring someone who's an applicant and is unknown into that kind of office environment. So that again that small public conference room would address a lot of uses like that. Also
the building department right now they bring um applicants into the building officials office so through the staff space and into an office which is never good from a security standpoint. So, we're trying to address those pertinent
what we referred to as needs. Um, but of course, you could carry out a more exhaustive study and look for um more extensive ways to change this. I don't think square footage wise that you'll pick up a lot of staff space. You can convert offices to open
workstations, but there's still not going to be that much gain within the footprint of this building. It could be studied. >> Yeah. Okay. And my comments kind of convey to the utility building as well. Any other comments? >> No. >> No.
>> All right. Move on to the utilities. >> Utilities. All right. >> Um, so with utilities, we went through a similar study meeting with staff, meeting with each uh department and function. Uh we looked at the water treatment building itself, the plant
building. Um, looked at some of the needs there. uh we looked at the small maintenance building and the maintenance staff uh that's existing on the plant and then we talked through with utilities administration. This is
including um their projected growth as well which is something that was identified as a need and really wanting to look at proposed new construction that would accommodate that kind of growth over time and this is looking over 10 years and beyond. Uh so you can
see the expansion of what is an existing staff of four currently growing to about seven in the 10-year period. And along with that we looked at the staff for water distribution and storm water and their needs. Not much now
growth there um and a smaller staff but definitely needing the functionality. Um of course support spaces that would be needed for that staff. And as well, we looked at uh the idea of
creating training rooms or multi-purpose space for this facility. That training room, and I'll show you in in plan in just a moment, but it could serve a wide variety of uses. It could be multi-purpose space for staff for trainings. It could be serving the many
agencies that come in and provide trainings. Uh Allison can speak further about those uses. It can serve as a place to bring the public. More and more the public is concerned about how their water is treated and they want to have an understanding of that. So there could
be a lot of public education that could be done at that facility. Really treating it as a visitor center and welcoming the public there. Uh it could also be used as multi-purpose space for an EOC. When we build new construction
these days, we always recommend a high level of resilience for our public facilities. This could be used as a EOC for during a storm event and actually the after event when you're trying to deploy resources out to the community. It's great to have
that robust multi-purpose space. Uh we also looked at the uh technicians that serve water distribution and storm water and space for them as well as warehouse space. Now, they're scattered across several different locations right now,
but the the equipment and the assets that this water utilities field staff needs is often stored exterior and therefore subject to the elements. Those are really a lot of your assets. So, the opportunity to have warehouse space that
is conditioned that can protect those assets and equipment is really important and has been incorporated here as well. Uh so a summary there leads to what we're referring to as an admin and training building of about 10,000 square
ft and a utilities warehouse building of about 5700 square ft. So not large facilities uh but these are again taking into account growth. And just as a conceptual study we took a look at the existing water utility site. You can see
the eastern half of that site is unutilized at the moment. There is a tower existing there and a few other elements. Um, but we looked at developing that portion of the site for this new proposed administration
building and a warehouse building. You'll see the the red dashed line running around this uh perimeter which would secure the water plant itself and have some controls at the administration building and warehouse area. the public
would access this site along the north side of the site to a visitor and staff parking area uh in front of the building and with another connection around to the south. So you have complete circulation of the site and portion of
that exists currently. And if we zoom in and take a look again this is just an initial concept layout of the building and what it could be. Um this building is is would be a one-story building. It would be really divided in
two halves with a small lobby space in between. The left hand side which would be the west side connecting toward the the plant would include administration and the water distribution and storm water. I always stumble on that. Um
which is shown in green. the right hand side or the east half would be that uh training facility that I spoke about that multi-purpose space to give you a sense of the scale of those what's labeled training rooms one and two each half of that would be the
size of a typical classroom uh in a school or university. So altogether with a movable partition that space could seat about 100 in kind of a lecture style setup or training seminars would be somewhat less than that and a lot of
different configurations would be allowed there. Uh would include a small kitchenet for serving storage of course and another breakroom space for staff as well as maybe utilization of some outside area. outside area is
particularly nice to have when you're in an EOC situation, you're after emergency and you want to be able to get outside and get a little fresh air. So, also taking a look at what this might look like just from terms of a massing study.
And this again is all to help with just conceiving the project and determining a conceptual direction. So again, a one-story building for the admin building. Um, it could be very simple block construction. I think it might be too small to warrant a tilt building,
although it could. And then the warehouse portion, we would recommend a pre-engineered metal building would probably be the most economical solution there. And with the power of rendering technology these days, we can make it look even a little more real um, just
for graphic purposes. And that brings us to the costs here and looking at the administration building. A little more bells and whistles on that building as compared to the warehouse building which as I said could be pre-engineered metal. Um looking at the
site work as well and this is conceptual pricing but that's bringing us to about 5 million in construction hard cost. Again wanting to incorporate in your total project cost. So looking at your soft cost and we separate out here the site cost at a slightly different
percentage. Um and then of course recommending a project contingency and that brings us to a conceptual project budget of 7.9 million. Okay. Any questions on this section?
>> Thank you Jill. Council >> my question. >> I no I don't have any. >> I say it's more for staff. What kind of training are you guys be doing in these training areas? >> Um so looking at training for um water plant operators and water distribution
operators. They're required to get CUS once every 2 years to maintain their licenses. In most cases, they're either going offsite to other municipalities that have the training space um or they're doing them online. And online is very limited and not as hands-on. It's still good training, but becomes
repetitive as um operators age in the industry. Um so a lot of these trainings would be hand on hands-on workshops provided by um the American Water Works Association, the Southeast Assulting Association, the American Membrane Technology Association. A lot of them
always have um requests out there for sites to come on and do training. And typically you're looking at classes anywhere from about 30 people to 75 um depending on how big the organization is. Um, when I was at Jupiter, we would hold membrane operator certification
courses, which is a 3-day course, and it ranged anywhere from 30 to 75 operators that would come from different areas of the state and come to do that training over 3 days. So, some trainings like that. Other ones that we do um kind of more frequently are like safety
trainings related related to lockout, tagout, um, trenching, and shoring. Um, we can also have vendors come on site and do like hydrant exercising, demonstrations, and training because a lot of our vendors, they provide the opportunity for training, but we don't really have a lot of locations for them
to do that training. Um, so this would be a great use of of this space. >> Okay. And then tying into that, like the mechanics of inside, is it very versatile? Is it more open like a classroom? So, if there's devices that have to be brought in, um, so people are
actually training hands-on, are those brought in or those things kept like a science room that we always have them on hand or is this room I'm just kind of feeling out this room would be versatile for other uses because our village does run like a family. So, if we needed some open space u maybe for another
department to utilize once in a while, I think obviously >> if you spent money on a building with that, I obviously want to see other departments be able to use it once in a while. Mostly we're always >> be like constructured settings. It's more like a classroom. >> Correct. Okay.
>> And we um I think public works, building department, police, fire. Um we do a lot of joint training, CPR training, things like that. So I could definitely see it used for multiple departments. >> Cool. Thank it. >> Help me understand where the people are now. Where are they currently working?
>> Um so looking at the individuals that are for the most part identified in this building. So, I currently work here at Village Hall along with our office manager. Um, and then we do have an administrative specialist that works here,
David Tanoka, which is our water distribution superintendent. He is over at the public services building along with Jesse, his foreman. Um, and then Juan Rivas, the capital improvement project manager, is out at the water plant um along with the um intern. So
located in in various different locations. Um this would kind of help bring us all together and make our daily operations a little bit easier. We have a weekly utilities leadership meeting in which all of the staff are coming from their various locations and meeting here
in the conference room and that's just for us to stay on top of ongoing day-to-day operations. Um and then once every quarter we are holding a utility department meeting where we're bringing in all staff. Right now, we try to coordinate that at the um community center, but it the days kind of depend
on when they have classes going on in that room. If we're unable to get the room there, we typically try to have it here in the council chambers. >> Um and then this doesn't have anything associated with potentially moving public works to this area. Um so we did actually include them in
our programming study uh to look at the needs of that building where it to move. Uh that could also be accommodated within this site. Um they also have some um office space needs but primarily
warehouse space. So you could easily expand on either another metal building or an expanded metal building for additional uh warehouse bays and storage. So we did look at that. Uh a couple things about that site that uh would have to be taken into account when
eliminating it. Um there is a a well exactly right that's existing on that and that would need to stay in terms of that infrastructure. There are right now some outside storage of conx boxes and literal outside storage of equipment
that does belong to water utilities that would be brought to this proposed warehouse. And so then just balancing the additional space that would be needed. Uh but it could be simply another metal building or expansion of the metal building we're showing here. >> Okay. And then let's assume there's a
staff there and let's assume we do a training of 75 people or so that come in. Where do they park? >> Uh there is parking to the north side. I'm doing a quick count there. There's about 60 spaces shown there. And
again this was a conceptual plan. So >> that would be the intent though is to have enough parking I would assume for >> certainly. Yep. And typically when you account for parking for that some are coming together in groups especially if it's an organization coming for training but we'd strike the right balance of
required parking so that we're not building too much. >> The only thing that I'd add from a conceptual side I I think it'd be nice to have um aesthetically have the our buildings be similar. Um, looks like that's and I know that's this isn't part of the conversation. I understand that. Or your design. I know that wasn't part
of it. Um, but I would recommend at least it looks similar to our um, rec center and stuff like that. >> The other facilities. Yes, absolutely. Lots of architectural character possibilities. >> I would agree with that. Just because we've talked about that for other areas
in the village that we're trying to make them a little more cohesive so they're recognizable as toa properties. >> That was one of my comments too. Yep. I think we're on the same page there. >> So, you would consider just from my knowledge the um your parks and recreck building community center as the kind of
goal for the architectural language. >> That'd be my >> Yeah, cuz we're we we're updating station 11 to look similar with similar colors and stuff. So, yeah, we're kind of trending that. I thought when I first saw it, it kind of looked like a school almost to me. The rendering here, it's lovely. I like it, but yeah, just not
like the aesthetics that we're trying to go for. Um, I'm certain I miss this, but the red dotted line, that's a that's a fence. Is that correct? Yes, >> that would be fencing securing the water treatment plant itself and just indicating where some of those gates would be ability to separate the public
from that plant area. Make it really clear for wayfinding. >> Yes. So, it's been a minute since I've been out there, but right now, is it just wide open access? >> There's no >> um There is fencing. >> Yeah. So there's a there's fencing that runs along the entire west side of the
property. Um that Yeah, you can see it there. There is no north road, although we have started to drive along that north road. So you can kind of see we're making our own road there. >> A little bit of a south road. >> Yes. Um but we also do have the project that's ongoing right now for the gate and fence replacement and then the
perimeter hardening and beautifification. So each year we're doing a section of the fence. Um about a year ago we found a downed fence line on the east side of the property which isn't um traveled very much by our staff cuz it's hard to get to. So that was fixed. Um but now we're looking at the entire property and have a plan to clear
out uh most of the invasives that are on the property cuz the large amount of those trees um are invasives. >> And what's that tower back there? >> Um that's a tower that we lease to Verizon T-Mobile. Um, we also have, it's kind of hard to see, but there also is
an ARO well that's on the east side of the property. It's kind of looks like a little brown patch east of the tower. And then we do have the well, the RO well that's also on the south side of the road almost to the east side of the property. And then the proposed surficial well 28 that would go right
next to that RO well. Um and then kind of in conjunction with this plan is the water treatment master plan which has a um a proposed location for a deep injection well that would come much farther down the line. But trying to take into
account all the different components that would have to be included on the site and making sure we're not setting ourselves up for failure for future improvements that would need to be made. And since we're on this slide, I'll just point out along that north property line where our proposed drive would be,
you'll see there's two, they're actually conx boxes containers that are up in that area. Those would be eliminated and things would be stored in that new warehouse building. So that would clear out. And uh there's also we're showing another circle there on the plant site. There would eventually be another water
tank feeding in that area. >> Okay. I don't have any other questions. real quick. Would the funding for this come from general fund or would it come from the utility side? >> No, it would be utility fund. >> Okay. Um, so for this layout, so unlike this
building where I would likely be in favor of a um more robust remodel to maximize the efficiencies in here, you know, long term for this, especially since it's new construction, um, we want to make sure that um, we're getting the square footage right as well for this
building. We don't want to build it too big. We want room to grow, but we don't want to build it too big cuz that's going to cost more. Sure. >> Um, and so just the same comments like it just seems like there's a lot of offices. I don't know what the work rooms are, but you have like a couple multiple conference rooms, two work
rooms. You have a open visiting office. Again, I just think maybe some efficiencies can be picked up with that layout. I know you said when you commented on village hall that you're maybe not um making a change to square footage, but I do think at a minimum though with, you know, doing more of a
concept with some offices, some open space, are you able to get more workstations in though? >> We could definitely get more workstations into this footprint. This is accounting for growth as well. So, um I'll point out there's a small conference room over on the the west
side along there. Sometimes those spaces are great future offices that we incorporate in for growth. Again, this is a very conceptual plan just trying to capture what the building might be to make sure we're capturing the budget. You also, if you're going to the extent
of building new and building a resilient facility, you want to make sure you're not underbuilding too where you run out of space in a short period of time. Uh but definitely as we would really dive into a design process on this, uh we pick up those efficiencies. >> Okay. Yeah, that's all I really request
is look just look at the layout and you know because if you can get more workstations in with a with a more modern office layout that's a win and then we don't have to build, you know, as big of a building, >> right? Yeah. And this is more a single line space diagram. Um but certainly we would want to pay attention to that
workplace environment and and make it more cutting edge. >> That's all I had. Any other comments or questions? >> The only other thought you you are in here in this building. Your three employees including yourself are in this building, right? >> Um, so myself and the office manager and
then we currently have a customer service representative, an administrative specialist, and then our customer service and billing manager. >> Customer service stay in this building. >> Yes. >> So there would be at least two employees that from this building that would move to that one. >> Um, so staying here would probably be the customer service and building
manager and at least one of the customer service representatives. I could see the administrative specialist going out to this building. Um, and then I think we had planned future growth, possibly one more customer service representative just to have the coverage during um, vacations and things like that. >> Okay,
>> my last com I'm only in this building about 6 hours a month. Um, so I'm going to defer to staff and the people that walk and live in this building and the other buildings. I feel my role is to give a little bit of input, but really to find out how to pay for it and to
ultimately approve it. So, I'm going to defer to staff to continue to tell us what you feel you need for this. So, >> yes, I would say this is a mixture of needs and wants. Um, but really at the end of the day, I think taking into account the water treatment master plan and what we're going to find out from
that in the coming weeks, that takes a priority over this building, obviously. Um, I think in order for this building to move forward, we would really have to look at the funding, look at different avenues for funding. um just because there's a lot of high dollar amount projects that are coming down the line
that we have not been planning for over time. So I think those would definitely take a priority and we would have to find various avenues to fund this building. Um that the hard part is when you try to look for different avenues for funding a building like this, you usually have to have it designed first.
So that would be the step that would be a little bit more difficult to um begin with but then I think after that we would be able to start looking for different ways to get the funding. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> And this building is a priority over
doing anything in village hall. Correct. >> In my opinion. Yes. >> So we need to keep that in mind too as we're deciding which if any to move forward with. And this building for utilities as well may qualify for some of the hazard mitigation grants through the state,
through FEMA. Um the processes keep changing. The administration of those keep changing. Sometimes it takes a long time to get the funds secured, but worth looking into for this. Great. Thank you. All right. Is there any public comment cards? No. Any public comment?
No. All right. Thank you, Jill. Thank you, Allison. Thank you very much. Our pleasure. >> Thank you. Thank you. Our final agenda item three, unified rightaway and soil planting standards and requirements ordinance uh draft summary review. Doug,
>> good evening everybody. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, village council. Uh tonight, um we have a revised draft proposal for the right-of-way ordinance. Took a hard look at some of the comments from the previous workshop and some of the suggestions and what you'd like to
see or recommend within the right of way within that footprint. Um be u just so you know in your packet in the revised ordinance and the draft ordinance I highlighted all of the changes from the previous presentation. So anything that's not highlighted is the original language in that draft in that original
proposal. Um before I jump into I want to highlight some of the changes in the draft ordinance. But before I do that just sort of go through the purpose of why are we doing this right? And I know we've gone through this a few times. We'll go through this pretty quickly,
but obviously what's the purpose, right? Create one clear, consistent ordinance. Right now, we have multiple fragment policies. We're trying to simplify requirements not only for staff and residents, but for contractors, establish uniform standards across the village.
Currently the proposed code multiple sections and policies inconsistent planting guidance limited clarity on swale use no clear utility separation and general landscape allowance in the updated and the draft proposal we have unified ordinance clear standards and
rules defined swale versus flat area use minimum 5 foot separation and American waterworks association references and guides guidelines defined uh allowed and prohibited plantings as The ride ofway functions as a public space supporting roads, sidewalks,
drainage, and utilities. Functions as both landscape area, engineered infrastructure must remain safe, accessible, and operational. And improper use creates long-term public costs. We're investing a lot of dollars into our infrastructure. As you know, protecting swells and drainage. Swells
are engineered storm water systems, not just landscaping, designed to convey stor and store storm water efficiently. Blockage and grading changes disrupt drainage performance and this is directly tied to our regulatory storm water uh compliance.
Our MS4 requirements federal and state regulated stormwater permit program requires municipalities to manage runoff and protect water quality. Swailes are part of the village's permanent storm water system. The revi ordinance ensures that that we're in compliance with these
requirements and regulations. American Waterworks Association standards, national standard for water utility protection. The utility department as all utilities, not just water utilities, but Florida Power and Light, our Comcast companies, uh, sanitary sewer, they are required to
have airing separation needs based on the type and size of the pipe where that sits below the uh, you know, below grade. Tree roots and plantings, damaged pipes and infrastructure. We know that the revised code uses the AWA to justify and support separation distances.
The Florida green book requirements, the FDOT green book sets roadway safety and visibility standards, defines clear sight triangles at intersections, ensures drivers and pedestrians have unobstructed views and the revised codes aligns with this these requirements.
We're obviously protecting our infrastructure, water, sewer, storm, electric, fiber. We're protecting our above ground road, sidewalk, signage, drainage structures. Obviously, damage leads to costly repairs and wasted money into our infrastructure. These standards prevent conflicts before
they occur. So, we're trying to balance, right, function and aesthetics, maintain attractive streets and neighborhood character, support property values and curb appeal, allow Florida native and non-invasive landscaping, and ensure the appearance does not compromise our
infrastructure. clear standards for everybody provides consistent rules for residents and contractors. Currently, we do not have that, right? Um, if you take a look at the current code, right now we don't allow anything in the right of way. So, if somebody applies for an application,
comes to the building department, building department sends it out to public works and utilities department. We provide our review. Anything in the right way, we do not approve. So, this eliminates conflicting interpretations, gives staff clear enforcement authority.
We have one standard that we all follow and creates predictable permitting process. Key planting rules. We're allowing plantings on the top side of the swale with a minimum 3-foot setback from the swale slope and also a 3-ft setback from
the roadway. Minimum 5-ft separation from utilities. Although there are some instances in the American Waterworks Association, depending on the utility or the structure, you may be required 7 feet to 10 feet from a utility. Um, and then specific plantings are
allowed in the swell. And we'll go through that in the draft ordinance prohibited in the rightway and swell. No planting in the flow line except approved species. That's ornamental grasses that we have in the proposed draft. No artificial turf in the rightway. No decorative rock, mulch, or
boulders. And no large canopy or pine trees without approval. We do have several large canopy trees within the right of way on the top side of the swell bank on the resident side of the swale bank. Enforcement and compliance permit required for all right-of-way
modifications. That's that hasn't changed. If somebody's in the right way, they're required to have a permit. Village may remove non-compliant installations, violations, enforcement through existing code enforcement process and fines and bait uh abatement and cost recovery may
apply. This is not unique to Tquesta. Every municipality regulates the right-of-way use. standards are based on engineering and utility best practices again aligned with AWWA, FDOT and our MS4 requirements. This in the long term
will ensure sustainability and safety. And again, I'm not going to go through that again, but uh you understand the intent, right? This is a picture we had uh previously of a defined grass whale in a residential community and um provides information on where you can
plant in the right of way and where you can't. What what I'd like to do is go through if you'd like I can go through anything within the draft ordinance but I wanted to highlight just a couple items that are important and this is based on a lot of the
feedback and comments that we had from the previous presentation. Um, in section 63-5, swale plantings on page five, it talks a lot about what we touched on right here in the PowerPoint presentation shall not interfere with
drainage, site visibility, uh, pedestrian access. And then on number four, the minimum flat area will allow trees, shrubs, and hedges. I know councilman council member uh Brandon you had some concerns about not concerns but suggestions about you know why can't we
allow some plantings in the rightway if we have adequate space within the rightway and it meets the requirements of spacing from underground utilities and it's not impacting drainage or underground utilities or sidewalk or roads. So we are allowing trees shrubs and hedges following these requirements
and setbacks. On page six, we talk about item number 10, only living turf turf grass and approved low growing flood tolerant uh ground covers. Now, I know um Councilman Arturi in the
original presentation there was a lot of information about the size of the plant and the spacing and the distance between between and you wanted to kind of clean up that language. So, we cleaned up that language. uh minimum or maximum height is 18 inches within the swale
and as long as the plantings are staggered within the swale they will be allowed within the swale. One of the other questions was you know who's going to mandate this or who's going to monitor this or who who's going to do all this? We currently do that now. As I mentioned, somebody's working
on their property, they have to submit for a permit. Whether they have drawings where they're just planting a tree, it gets filtered down to myself and the utility department. We meet with either the contractor, we meet with the uh the resident, and we provide the guidance. We also provide notes on the permit, no
less than the building department does, on what the requirements are within the right of way. So, if a permit were to come through to us, we're going to apply this code. it's crystal clear. We have a code that we can stand behind and those notes will be put in the permit package
when the when the contractor resident receives a a permit. Uh also in item number 15, it talks about all the prohibited decorative materials, you know, the decorative rock, river rock, gravel, stone, ground cover, boulders, um all the above. It's
all listed there. And even more importantly, any non-living landscape material intended for decorative purposes is prohibited within the rideway. It will interfere with storm water conveyance, impede drainage, and create maintenance and safety issues, and obstruct access to public
infrastructure. On page eight in the draft, um, on item number four, we talk about hedges and shrubs. Florida, Florida native and non-invasive species will be allowed uh within the rightway. And we also have a list in number five of approved trees.
Uh, Mayor Young, we did add the live oak tree as we talked about that wasn't listed, although that is a tree that we're in favor of. We have over 500 trees throughout the village in our rightway. Um, however, anytime uh we are
we approve plans for a tree within our rightway, it will require a root barrier. And I know um Councilman Saruri, you had some questions about the size of the root barrier. So item number two under root barrier, root barrier shall maintain a minimum of 18 inches in
depth and extend a minimum of 15 ft on either side of the infrastructure. So, it's very specific how you put in your root barriers. And again, um those notes and those comments will be put within the permit. And when somebody's planting a tree or or shrubs or anything
like that, we go out and we inspect before they backfill, that the root bear was put in properly. We measure it, we take pictures, we make sure they're following the code requirements. And then another item which um uh definitely warranted some changes. Um
several council members brought this up and this is on page nine. Exceptions in the right of way requirements. In certain circumstances uh there could be an odd shaped property, extended or otherwise unique rightway where somebody has really 20 30
feet of rightway on their property. It could be a corner property. And um in that case, we put some language in here that the village may consider exceptions to the requirements of this chapter. And obviously those exceptions would be um reviewed through the permitting
process and then uh approval could be granted where it's demonstrated that the plantings will not adversely affect public safety, visibility or util underground utilities. So we put that language in there as well. And then on page 10
uh cleaned up this chart here as far as the clearance requirements. These are based on industry standards AWA guidelines uh FDOT standards and um to ensure safety drainage function and protection. So if you look on there for
instance um um planting on the edge of the drainage swell it has to be a three-foot minimum uh on the top side of the bank uh with a root barrier drainage inlets and culverts right we don't have many head walls in in the residential community but you might have um a
drainage outlet uh inlet and depending on where you are and the size of your rideway uh or where the swale is some people have maybe a 3 4ft swale 3ft 4ft ride ofway beyond the sidewalk and they don't really even have a room for a swale. Uh but there's a 10-ft minimum
requirement and a root bearer should you have um an inlet a drainage inlet in front of your house like that. And so one of also wanted to mention so one of the first steps in the permit process you know how do you determine you know what how do you determine the
comments and the requirements that that you know we're going to put out to the contractor or the resident. And one of the very first things they're going to be required to do is call in 811 locates to understand what's underground. And from there we we build the project from
there and and review the plans. Um, and then on page 15 and 16 is just really a recap of the the entire article of rightway and swell planting standards and requirements. That's sort of a recap of everything in the article.
The other thing that was important that um we talked about, you know, what happens to somebody who's planted out in the rightway and they they've been there for 10 years, they've been there for two years. It's, you know, you know, what do we do? Are they grandfathered in? Right. Do we have some type of grandfather
clause? So, um got with the manager and I know uh our village attorney took a look at this and and I believe we have what would be a fair balance in in achieving a goal across the board. And
um the most important part of that would be um any plantings installed within the public rideway prior to the effective date of this article. So, if this were to move forward in this fashion and come back for a vote and this passes,
anything deemed lawful and non-conforming and permitted uh to remain uh that will be allowed to remain provided they do not create a safety hazard or interfere with drainage, visibility, access, or an existing structure. So, we're not going out and
issuing violations for somebody who's had plantings in the rightway for the last, you know, 3 years, 10 years, 5 years. However, there are folks right now and and I can tell you I'm out there every other day uh reviewing permits, reviewing rideofways, meeting
contractors, meeting homeowners. We're just driving through the village and you'll see somebody planted hedges right across the road. Somebody planted a tree in the rightway. um I meet with contractors um and go over in detail the
requirements and then they don't build a swale, they plant trees and hedges and then I fail the final inspection and they're going to have to take it all out. And that's um so when I meet with their contractors, I'm meeting with the homeowner because what happens sometimes the contractors are taking advantage of
the homeowner and just doing whatever they want to do. the homeowner is not necessarily educated to understand what the right of way is. A lot of them a lot of residents feel that property is theirs. They don't understand that it's it's a village rightway, right? And and the purpose of the right of way and underground infrastructure. So whenever
we're out there, we do want to meet with the homeowner and the contractor at the same time and go through in detail what the requirements are. So, I think that is um you know, in in talking with the manager and and and Keith, I think this is the right thing
to do. We're not going to go back to people that are non-conforming unless there's some type of emergency, there's a conflict, there you know, it's uh there's underground infrastructure that's um you know, being jeopardized or in harm's way. Um, so I know the
building department and myself were out there constantly finding new plantings, new rocks, whatever it might be within the rightway, and they are given a courtesy notice from the building department uh to to mitigate that. And then if they're not, they will move
forward uh in a proper fashion. So, it's important to know that the following shall not be considered lawful, non-conforming, and shall be subject to removal or compliance. Any installation consisting of prohibited non-living landscape materials, including but not
limited to decorative rock, gravel, mulch, or similar materials identified in this article. Any installation that is currently the subject of an active code enforcement violation or that was previously cited and remains uncorrected.
Any installation determined by the village to impair stormwater function, obstruction, interference of utilities or public safety. uh any modification, replacement or expansion of existing plants or materials after the effective date of the article shall require full
compliance with all provisions of this article. So I think that grandfather clause is extremely important that it's included um in this revision. So I'm here to answer any questions that you might have or if you want to go over
any sections within the draft or grandfather clause. One just one additional note that um I know Mayor Young asked us for for Doug to send it to a landscape architect. We did reach out. Kimley Horn did provide a review of this. And so what you have in here is a
I say approved reviewed um from a landscape architect. Even though Doug's done an amazing job and it it um I think we've done a good job of flexibility but still matching um what other communities this is not outside of what other
communities do. Uh, I would say we we probably allow a little bit more than what some of the other committees do. Um, but it did get reviewed and and I think it's a good compromise across the board. >> Thank you. >> All right, council. I'll open it up for discussion.
>> I have a few comments initially and might chime in later on if that's okay. Um, I made this comment. Thank you first. You've done a tremendous amount of work on this and thank you. you're hurting the code cats and trying to get
them all to one place. Um, but I I made a comment the last time we had this about, you know, I think code should be written such that if I'm up can't sleep at night, 11:30 at night, I want to go to the code and I can read it and I clearly understand it. I'm still confused a little bit and maybe it's
just me. Um, you just referenced the and I think it's on page two 63.2 rightway policy of modification. All plantings blah blah blah shall be deemed lawful and permitted to remain ones that are already there provided they not provide public safety hazard
interfere with existing infrastructure any changes after that has to be in to the code after this is adopted so anything that's there now even if it's non-conforming stays doesn't say that here did I hear you say earlier that if it's non-conforming we
now we now we're giving oursel the right to go have it removed >> in in the in the grandfather clause right in the grandfathering clause We talk about that, right? So, if it's nonconforming, right? So, you you have that in front of you, >> I think. Is that what you emailed
council? >> Yeah, >> we it was emailed to us this >> put in the when we when we bring back the final version, it'll be put in the code and accepted that way. So, I emailed you guys all that grandfather clause that we were we were considering
>> adding to it. >> Can we let Doug explain it so it's on public record? Because >> Yeah, he just went over it. he went over, but you can do it again if you want. >> I just not obviously the public doesn't have access to our emails unless they request. >> The only reason I ask is, you know, this is on page two and this is what we're
looking to to adopt. It says all plantings accepted except the artificial turf installed with the public right away prior to the effective date shall be deemed lawful and permitted to remain provided they do not provide public safety hazard or interfere with the existing infrastructure. So if so if it's what is now going to be considered
the day you know as soon as this thing is enacted it's considered non-conforming. So somebody can have a future not well we're going to consider to be non-conforming but if it's there now we're not going to go rip it out. >> We are not as long as it meets that criteria. Right. It's not a hazard. It's
not you know you're not >> but if it's a tree say it's a tree that we won't allow because it's clearly defined where a tree can go. It's got to have a tree. you have not been issued with a notice from the building department that you're non-conforming and you have to take that out and this article passes and you're not uh
impeding you know infrastru >> okay >> it will be nonconforming but it will be allowed >> okay I just I because you when I read that first thing I circled and then later on it says how things that are non-conforming are be removed even if they were prior but if so if it's there
now they're not some type of safety hazard or it was, you know, we had an issue with a water mane or let's just say it the tree roots have grown into the sanitary sewer man. You've got a sanitary sewer break, you know, something like that would would trigger the removal of the tree.
>> Yeah. Because then on page three, I quick question real quick. >> Yeah. Who who pays for that non-conforming tree that is destroying the um pipe? >> Who pays for it >> to remove it? I read it was the resident >> the resident would pay for that. Okay.
Yeah. That's in I haven't that's in the grandfather clause. >> The grandfather clause. Yes. So they would have to but they'll be notified that in the future if for whatever reason. >> So if so if you're grandfathered in and it's non-conforming, right, it's you're allowed to leave that there. But if you make any modifications to your property,
>> you have to follow the full intent of this article. And that would be >> so if you're you leave the tree there and then you're going to replace all your landscaping and you you know and you want to put in new sod and whole irrigation system you rip out your front lawn. You have to abide by the article
if it's over 50 >> in full. You have to build a swale uh you know you require a permit the trees going to have to come out. I mean that's >> that's the intent of the article. Well, isn't there I thought there was a statement in here that certain it could
be at staff's discretion >> if like say like say you say someone did a remodel and there was an oak tree and it was like part of a tree canopy and it wasn't causing any issue. I thought there was something in here that said it like staff still had discretion to allow
that. >> That's on the resident side of the rideway on the top side of the swap. Not within the swale. >> Before we leave the group, >> you you travel around the village. You all live here. >> There are not many swailes throughout the community.
>> No. >> Right. >> So, this is going to take years and decades. >> Oh, yeah. >> Before, you know, we're sort of uniform and and following our guidelines and regulatory uh compliance and requirements.
Um, this is a start, right? So yeah, we're not going to go out and issue violations to everybody throughout the village. I mean, but you know, I can tell you it's happening now on a weekly basis. And so those folks are being issued a
notice, a courtesy notice to remove it from the rightway. Um, so we're already doing that. The way I look at this is right now if a permanent application comes to us, we're denying the plant any plantings in the rightway. Here we're allowing plantings in the
rightway >> and it's up to us to figure out the standard, right? To give you the information on your permanent application to meet with you and explain the requirements. I mean, I think that's that's a it's a nice compromise. >> Just to make sure I understand on the
grandfathering, so if someone had a violation issued, say today >> Mhm. and this gets enacted a month from now, regardless of that violation, they would still be grandfathered. >> No. >> Okay. So, if a violation is issued
>> and they know about this violation, >> then Okay. All right. >> You've been issued a notice. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You're >> from today previously or from today until this article if this article is adopted. >> Mhm. >> You have to comply with the article.
Okay. But if you were otherwise non-conforming but no violation had been issued, then you would be grandfathered in. >> Yeah. What potentially will happen, right? You you have an interest in passing this and everybody goes out and starts planting in the right way. Oh, let me hurry up and plant in the rightway.
>> Yeah. >> Can't grandfather them in. You know, we're actively now, the building department is actively now when we see somebody who's planting in the right way, number one, without a permit, without any direction, without any comments from staff, they're issued a notice.
>> And they're given a courtesy notice to remediate that. And then if they don't, it moves forward. From my understanding, we're talking about 98 99% of the people we're writing violations for did not pull a permit. I mean, that's what we're talking about.
Not somebody went out there, pulled a permit, we approved it, and they planted something. They didn't pull a permit. I mean, that's part of our current code, and it's part of our future code. You got to pull a permit. >> But as of today, you're saying you even if you did try to pull a permit, you would not be permitted to do it because
the code doesn't allow for it. >> Correct. >> Okay. Okay. That's what I thought. >> Um, that's part of the reason the adoptive tree program was such a failure. Yeah, >> you know, we had 25 30 applications and maybe four trees were planted, you know,
in a unique situation where there were no underground utilities in the way and we put in a root barrier. But on page three, um, one of the yellow ones, permit shall provide dimensioned scale drawings as part of their application.
>> Which three where >> page three number D, the yellow >> Yeah. permites shall provide dimension scale drawings if deemed I I've read this so many times I forget what's in here what's not but um shallow
rooting >> that would be that would be somebody who's redoing all of their landscaping right we're planting trees and we're planting hedges and >> and irrigation system >> somebody who's going to plant a tree and some flowers and they don't need engineered plants right that's going to
come to the building official the building official is going to send it to me >> for my comment unless it's a total rehab and it to you know you're not going to be required to provide engineering drawings. >> Okay. My other my my next question on page three would be number H which I think we've answered it about removal of
unauthorized or non-compliant items. It would be they would be aware of that. >> Mhm. >> If it's in there now most likely I would assume we've noticed them. >> Correct. >> It's it's a legal thing but it's okay. Um, soil guidelines page four
about soil. Okay, get you cleared up the the grandfather. So, go past that. >> Um, >> right. anybody who's changing the swale or anybody who's building right now that we provide the swale detail and and we we will occasionally make exceptions um
on the depth of the swale because sometimes you just don't have enough footprint to to meet that slope, right? Or there is a tree on the backside and they just can't get up further enough into the rightway and we will make an exception. So on page >> on the depth
>> page five number four you already addressed that minimum flat area trees shrubs and hedges um all such plantings shall be back set back a minimum of 3 ft from the top of the soil before the ground begins sloping and that's assumably to avoid utilities and things
like that correct >> yeah Jeremy can you go back to that picture in the power >> flow yeah >> did we learn through the current water the water water main replacement that there's a lot of our utilities that are not where we thought they were or >> Yes.
>> Yeah. So, for I'll use my yard as an example. I don't have a swale. I don't have a swale. So, but so I'd have to just go by where my property line starts. If my utilities are skewed towards my side, the high side of the
soil and I need to have five feet between the property line and that and other places in here refers to three feet from the prop into the owner's yard. So, >> not the not the no the top side of the rideway. Top side of
>> 3T. You may end up you may end up falling within the property owner's property, but you you can still be within the right of way and plant or you're on the side of the bank. If you look here, you can see on the the top right, you can see planting allowed on the top side of the swale, minimum 3 ft from the downside slope. So, you're
you're basically on top of the swale. >> But if my right >> my utility line is up here, then I'm up into here, right? >> If your utility line is there, >> if they've got it all up here, >> yeah, >> I don't know. Oh, I don't have a >> But so the very first step when when you're submitting an application because you need a right-of-way permit.
>> Mhm. >> My response back to you, whether you're planting a single tree or you're redoing all of your landscape >> is to call and locates. >> Mhm. >> If a resident needs help in understanding that, most people don't know what that is and how to go about that. I will walk them through it. But until we know where the lo, you know, we
know where our, you know, our utilities are. I don't necessarily I have an idea where sanitary sewers. I have an idea where communications are, but that's the whole reason we call and locates. Any you put we put a shovel in the ground, a contractor puts a shovel in the ground, you're obl obligated to call in utility
locates. You can incur some serious fines by digging without calling in utility locates. Not just us, but a resident as well. Um, I have a lot more red lines, but you've answered a lot of them. Um, page eight, hedges and shrubs.
Florida non-native, non-invasive, all all such planning shall be low to moderate in height. Can we define that? >> So I don't go out and buy a bunch of stuff, you know, and you tell me it's okay. But I mean, really, I mean, it's it's very subjective. >> Mhm. >> Which one was that, Rick? >> Number eight.
>> Page eight. Number four. >> Page eight. Number four. You go to page eight. >> I was actually reading that tonight on the way over and I I I had a feeling you were going to point >> frustrated English. >> We can clean that up. >> Yeah. I just cuz that to me is like well again if I'm I'm wrong reading this at
midnight when I >> here's here's my notes Councilman Suri bring that up sorry um and I'll go back to you and I had this conversation at the last discussion page nine the oddshaped extended or
otherwise unique right away >> right >> what does that look like is it going to be determined after the fact you're going to say well I think Rick you have a Mr. homeowner and you've got a odd shape and I come in, I go, "No, I think I have an odd shape. So, I think I
should get a special consideration." >> No, most most people for the most part, depending on where you live, so most people on the same block, right, same community, both sides of the street, have the same amount of rideway. As you get to a corner, sometimes it shifts. You have less rightway or you get to a
corner, you have more rightway. So, if somebody has I've I've been to some some people's homes where they have 20 30 feet of rideway. So if you have 20 30 ft of rightway and the utilities is 20 ft down the road here, you know, in the in in the right ofway, we can make some exceptions. You're you're outside the
swale. You're outside, you know, >> the impact of any of your underground utilities. You're nowhere near the sidewalk or the road. >> Okay? >> I mean, that's >> that's a field decision based on the property, >> but for the most part, wherever you live, you and your neighbors have the same amount of rideway space. And then
moving on to the um the FDOT Florida green book. This the grid on page 10. >> Yes. >> Or tell so the middle column. >> Mhm. >> The third row five five foot minimum
with required roof area. >> Mhm. >> Um so getting back to that. So if my utilities are on the high side of my swale, but I'm just kind of so probably it could be because if I got I can't plant something for five more feet. So I'm
five more feet closer to my house if I've got a bad utility install potentially. >> You would be. Yes. >> Okay. again, you know, when when we were when we had the adopt a tree program in a lot
of cases, um, one home, you know, homeowners on one side of the block, the east side of the block, didn't have any utilities and we could possibly plant the tree. And then the homeowners on the west side have water utilities, they have sanitary, sewer, they have
everything there. So, I'm I got two more com I'm almost done. Thank you. Um page 12 uh it would be D applic uh D driveways must be constructed to conform to the contours of existing swailes or future swailes. >> Mhm.
>> Again, if you were to come look at my drive I don't have a swale. So how so if I'm going to pull a permit to get my driveway redone, >> is there a standard for that? >> I get a detail. Okay, that already exists. We're not recreating this. Here's a standard detail for your grass
swell, your driveway swell. You'll get that in your permit application and you'll get all the going to require it for an inspection before you, you know, when you grade before you put sod down. You're going to require a formboard inspection before you pour concrete or install pavers. All the all the
requirements will be within that >> uh within the permit >> and I'm quite sure you've already discussed this before. Um I'm redoing my driveway and my by my definition, my driveway's got a little bit of a swale, but my yard does not. My yard is elevated above my driveway for
some reason. Um, I replace my driveway. How far do I have to do the whole swale of my yard? >> No. So, currently, if you're just replacing your driveway, that footprint, you're not into the landscaping. We are not saying, Mr. Resident, you're now
going to pick up an additional cost and have to replace all your grass and build a swale, right? That is not the requirement. You're staying within the footprint of the driveway. You'll have to put a swale within your driveway. Right. >> Within the driveway. Okay. Understand? >> Within the driveway. >> However, when I'm out there, I explained
to the resident with the contractor there, >> the requirement is to put a swell in your driveway. If you do not put a swell in your grass, now you're going to have water pulling and sitting in your driveway and it's going to stain and you're going to be stepping in water. >> Recommendation and suggestion is to
build a swell within the grass. And that's all within the that's all on that detail as well. some folks do it and some people, you know, they just don't have the capacity or the means to do that, but at some point hopefully they will. >> That's all the questions that I have on, you know, the ordinances is presented.
Um, I'll probably have some future ones, but thank you for indulging me again. You're welcome. >> I appreciate it. Thanks, Doug. You're welcome. >> Actually, thank you for bringing up the driveway thing cuz that got brought up to me by a few residents that have moved here in the past five, seven years, I'd
say. Um, and they inherited some of those really old driveways. One is old concrete, some of them are that black asphalt. And as they're trying to plan, because a lot of families have to budget because life's expensive, they were looking and trying to figure out what
would that look like. And the idea of adding a yard swale is terrifying cuz we, you and I have talked about the cost of that. I mean, yeah, it's going to help prevent storm water, but for a lot of people, a couple grand extra grand is a lot of money. So, I like that we're not doing that approach because I would
not support that. I appreciate you trying to educate while you're out and about. Great opportunities to say, "Hey, did you know?" >> Um, in my yard as well, I still have a swale, but it's definitely not probably what it was in 1960, 1970.
Um, my biggest thing I kind of kept thinking about and even as I'm listening tonight is that swale. And Allison, you might be able to answer because I know Mr. Stori brought it up that the utilities are not always in the same spot.
Is the future plan as you get into the neighborhood areas to replace the infrastructure and again that should be lasting 70 years or so is where is the plan to kind of generally put most of them? Are they all going to be scattered again? Um, so right now whenever we go into a neighborhood and look at where
we're going to be putting new water mane kind of right now is where it can fit um without disturbing the area too much and especially with this older AC man, you can't go and replace it in the same spot because then one you're almost doubling if not tripling your cost of the entire
project to um dispose of the water man. Um but you also are impeding usage of the main while you're taking it out. So it causes a bigger impact to customers because you have to remove the main, place the new main in and hook them up. It just takes a lot longer. Um so typically we're going on the opposite side of wherever the existing water man
is. Um that happens in most cases. Um sometimes we try to stay out of the roadway. Um so we don't have an instance like what happened on Questa Drive where there's a water main break and it causes the road to cave in. Um but we do try to keep it as in line as possible. We're not just going in a big open space. we're trying
to stay on the side of the rideway or stay kind of near other utilities. Um, while keeping in mind that there's constantly AT&T coming in, putting in fiber, um, doing all these other projects and they're also trying to just fit it where it can go. Um, there are setback requirements for sewer to
portable water, water to um, storm water. So, we do have to keep those separations both both uh, horizontally and vertically. So, we're trying to meet all those requirements, but look at the future as well. So, do you think some of them will be at the bottom of a swale underneath there?
>> Sometimes they are. Um, we try to avoid that usually because, um, then we're just putting it even deeper because the swale is lower. Um, but it just kind of depends. In a lot of areas, we don't even have to worry about that cuz there's really just not swailes. Um, with the water main project that we are
doing now though, anywhere we're where we're disturbing the rightway, we are putting swailes back in. >> Okay. Now, the reason why I asked this for my fellow colleagues is there's measurements that are being put in this, which I'm not I understand why why you put them in there, but you just said it
too cuz we talked about it. All the rideways are different. They're all different sizes. The utilities are all over the place. Now, I'm thinking if we put something in place with these measurements, but then again, they might change as we go through these neighborhoods and start that infrastructure project. So, are we going
to flip-flop and change this again because the measurements will be different? And I don't want to do that to residents. And that's why I still think this whole thing has been so over complicated and it should just get super simplified and go back to you need a permit to go
in the rideway and staff needs to evaluate the rightway that is being sought to be planted because it's going to be so different. Now, Doug and Allison, cuz you guys work together and you guys are probably communicating once these projects get closer to the neighborhoods, you're going to have some
sort of idea of what that's going to look like. But again, for me, this doesn't match. This is not a blanket fit for the whole village. And I don't think this is going to be a good future aspect. >> Well, I would say right now it's a free-for-all. >> It is, but again,
>> just do whatever they want to do. So, we have to set some some standards and some guidelines >> and again protect >> these guidelines don't fit. I mean, they're going to change. So, if water comes in and then flip-flops the utilities, let's say someone got approved to plant something today
>> and you're measuring the swale what you think it's going to or it should be, I should say, cuz most of the time the swailes aren't there. You're taking a guess on that and then in 10 years it might be different. Then Allison and Lockahhatche River District and AT&T and Comcast are going to have to get
together and come up with a plan. Right now, part of the reason that the water man is run where it is because there's trees in the way, the sidewalk in the way. Um, you know, you have to modify and adjust, but you still need a standard. I mean just just like if you're building a house and and the building department
has standards uh for for me how you build your electrical >> where the utility is and the amount of footage from the utility cuz in every property the utilities could be up here it could be down here. It literally was just mentioned and that's why I kind of still sit with it needs to just be a
base footage from where the utility is. >> Well again it'll depend on where the locates are and what your project entails. Right. And I agree. >> I can tell you a lot better than it is right now. >> Um is is anything perfect? No. >> But you know, future planning when
they're planning planning a project, they go out and they call in for utility locates and they figure out where they're going to run their new pipe. And that's not just um you know, our water department, that's you know, Comcast, Lockxahhatchee, Florida Power and Light.
I know they have a water man project coming up in AT&T. went in the location where the water man was going to go. You know, they're going to have to modify that. But that doesn't mean because we have a future infrastructure project, whether it's, you know, a year from now or 10 years from now, that you're going
to penalize the homeowner that planted a tree there because we allowed it and you permitted, right? You went through the correct process. You followed our guidelines. You obtained a permit. We gave you all the notes. You did what you were supposed to do. We're not going to penalize you now. Say, "Oh, got to rip out all your landscaping." So when we go
through with the future infrastructure, are they grandfathered in, you know, they got a permit and approved? >> I I can't depends 10 years from now on what's you know what how's technology going to change, you know, I mean what, you know, how's the ride ofway going to change? I mean,
>> for the most part, the ride ofway is full. I can tell you when we did the uh storm water improvements and roadway improvements on uh El Portal Drive, I mean what a bear that was. There is no room in that rideway. I mean everything
is stacked. Um >> there's swailes, >> huh? >> There's swailes there though. >> We have swailes there now. >> I think we need to kind of pull out a little bit and look at the bigger picture. We can't possibly diagnose every potential situation. And you know,
I was supportive of um having everything in one place because um you know, talking to residents that did get violation or no, you know, notices and andor maybe a violation. I think I had to go to it was three or four different chapters
>> and I was like, this is so confusing and and a lot of what is in this ordinance is already in our code. And in fact, in my opinion, I think it actually enhances the capabilities of what um can be put in the swale. So, this is it's like a
three-legged stool stool, right? It's it's staff, it's council, and it's the whether it's a contractor, homeowner, this gives all of us clear guidance on what needs to be done in the rightway. And I personally think it's needed just
based on my experience going through all the different chapters um and trying to piece them all together to figure out what what was, you know, um properly enforced. >> Yeah. Right now it's spread across chapters 74, 66, and 78. Now it's all
under one chapter 63. >> You can go. >> Okay. So my comments are based on really kind of new. I didn't I didn't hear all the other comments in the previous meetings. Um and what I've learned throughout the years is that whenever you're trying to
explain something that is complicated, it is very difficult to be um on the position of government to to pro provide that information. So if you think of things that are difficult um pensions are one of them. the the the way we draw our map in the village of Dquua and who's part of the village of Quest and
who's not is difficult and riderways has been one of those areas that's difficult. So I started asking my question well what's the what's the problem and what are we trying to fix and so identified three problems. Um inconsistent enforcement is kind of created this problem. Um materials
harming storm water function whether that is uh mulch or rocks or other things. Um, and then the safety and environmental concerns associated with flooding and other things. So, you look into what you did and and the way you've
cleaned things up over multiple meetings, I think you have solved that and and so as as a result, I don't see anything that is concerning um at this point. >> Well, you bring up a great point, right? So, it's complicated, right, for somebody to understand. When you're doing work in your house and you're
redoing your electric or your plumbing or whatever, your air conditioning, most people don't have a clue, right? >> What the requirement is, what the code says. They're relying on a contractor. They're relying on the building department to come educate them. And that's what we do as well. You're
submitting for a permit. You're working on a project. We're going to come out there and help you and educate you, get you through it, right? and provide some guidelines. >> Cool. Thank you for all of your work on this. Uh I think outside of our overlay
districts, I have probably talked about this more than anything in my term and a half here. Uh so which is good. I mean it's good. It kind of forced me to a I've read the I've read it at least five
times. Um and let's If we're all being honest, I mean, the co code never it's not very clear to read unless it's you're trained to read code. I'm a lawyer and sometimes I look at it, I'm like, I'm not even entirely sure and I'm not speaking to this exactly, but I did
start thinking about um you know, when it comes to the permitting process, like is it is there I kept getting when I talked to residents, they'd say, you know, look at Jupiter, they they do this, they do that. So, I started looking at Jupiter, right? So,
And I keep going to the same place and I I copy and paste it here. Sorry, but it says, "A permit is not required for work like landscaping or minor maintenance that is under $500 in value unless it impacts drainage or structural elements." So then I asked myself, how do you know if it impacts danger or
structural elements without going to get a permit and someone telling you otherwise? So I keep going back to the same place that really the permitting process really just trying to help one. It's an education process of you might come in
ask for a permit get your locates and there's no problem whatsoever you know and but you might do that same exercise and realize oh my gosh thank goodness I didn't put my mailbox there or whatever it is. So truthfully, when I read that Jupiter $500 exception, like I don't even know how you can possibly comply
with that unless I mean I guess you could call locate, but then even then you're you're entrusting the residents to make a judgment call at that point. Because I did get that comment a lot was like, "Hey, people not someone runs over my mailbox or some kid hits my mailbox,
I have to put a new mailbox in. Why do I have to get a permit for that?" And I guess what it goes to is well there someone may have put that mailbox in the wrong place to begin with and that doesn't mean you should be able to put it back. So I' I've tried everything I can to try to
address some of the concerns I've heard from residents like putting a dollar value on it. But I just don't know how you can do that. Um there's there's no fee to apply for a permit. We're not charging folks for a permit. >> I mean that's the bottom line is people just don't >> file for the permit. come get educated
and we're going to show you what you can do, what you can't do, you know, what you can't do. >> I mean, >> yeah, >> you know, the the the amount of money that the village as a whole has spent repairing infrastructure
>> protected. >> I mean, you're talking about just in sidewalk, a million dollars replacing sidewalk because of trees. If you drive down Country Club Drive right now, >> take a look at all the oak trees popping up in the road. Right now I'm out at Riverside Oaks. Oak trees popping up all
over the road. Um there was no regard, you know, whenever that was decades ago. Just plant put wherever you wanted. Plant trees, put on top of sidewalk, put it right up against the road with no swailes. How much money have we spent repairing roads? Look at El Portal. I
mean, I think you remember what the country club looked like. Fair View East, Fairview West, yacht club. Water, two feet of water sitting in the road. >> Mhm. We've moved the water out of the road, right? And now it's sort of fighting us a little bit. There are no swailes and we've got hedges and trees
planted right up to the road. There's no place for the water to go again. >> You don't want to be re redoing your road, milling and paving your road eight years from now when you just spent a million dollars repairing your road, right? So this is, you know, I'm looking
at the I'm looking at the bigger picture, right? that my job I look at it to try to help make some decisions that are beneficial. I'm out there, you know, with these introducing these capital improvement projects to you guys every budget season. Um, for me, I love a
complete street project, right? From right ofway to rightway. Now, I know that's a that's a big task, right? Taking back the rightway, you know, having sidewalk, you know, halfway up somebody's property, but a lot of cities do that. Mhm. >> They they they take ownership of their
rightway and they build complete streets because if you leave water sitting in your road and you keep planting on top of your utilities and planning on top of your sidewalk and planning on top of your roads, you're going to be doing the same thing 10 years from now. >> Yeah. >> And you interrupt real quick and get you back on on the dis. Um you know,
compliment the state a little bit for a preeemption, but they preempt us from charging a permit fee up to $7,500 now. So any work, mailbox, anything in the rideway, you have to pull permit, but you won't get charged for it up to
$7,500. So it allows us just to make sure everything's done right, but not charge you. So what's the harm in doing that? And so the state does a lot of preeemptions. >> Maybe we'll give them compliment. >> Yeah. No, I don't disagree. I mean, I think it I I I can't tell you how many
times I was asked to look at the Jupiter code and outside of this $500 kind of exception. I don't see much that's different. >> Um I was thinking I was going to see, you know, a much more flexible permitting process. Didn't see that again outside of this $500 or less
exception. Um and do you do you know when did So right right now as it stands, you can't put anything in right away permit or not. It just doesn't exist. How far back does that go? >> Well, >> and if you don't know the answer, it's
fine. I assume it's >> No, but I'm going to say about five years. >> Five years. >> Yeah. At one point, um, all inspections were coming through the building department. >> Okay. >> And that wasn't going out to uh public works or utilities. >> Mhm.
>> The building department does not have jurisdiction in the right way. They have jurisdiction on private property. public works and utilities has jurisdiction over the ride ofway and what's what goes in the right ofway, what doesn't. Um, and so with the manager's assistance,
you know, we made that change where now the if we notice a violation, obviously it goes to the building department, they follow up with code enforcement, but all the inspections and and all the plan review, that's that's Allison and I. >> Yeah. Well, I I think uh you know, this
isn't uncommon, but I you know, I don't even think most residents realize that there doesn't even there's not even a process that exists today if you wanted to put something right away. >> And would it be nice to put some ornamental grasses and flowers in the swale? >> No. Or it's I'm going to do it and hope
they don't catch me, you know? So, >> I I know we always say, well, we just got to educate and communicate. I don't I don't think there's more you can do here with this. I just think people understandably so, no one's reading these things for fun or um I don't think
they realize that ultimately while it is placing some restrictions on things or more clarity as those restrictions go, it's actually like you said, it's actually providing more rights than we currently a lot more rights than we currently have in place. >> So I I you know
I think you guys have done a a great job. Um, I think there's going to be some upset people about it. I also think, you know, there's people that just don't trust like I I have a great deal of trust in you and other staff. I mean, I talked to people that are like, you know, they
read like when it comes to the grandfathering clause, you know, they they hold on to that there's a little bit of wiggle room in there just in case the village wants to just like um selectively enforce against my home. And I'm like, well, >> it's not selective.
>> Exactly. Well, first of all, it's making a huge assumption that, you know, our staff and our village is just out there to get certain people, which I do not believe. And um but I I think in some I think you guys did as good of a job as you could and I obviously putting it all together is a
huge improvement. That's number one. Um people there's going to be some people unhappy about it, but I I think it's pretty clear if you want to do something right away, you go apply for a permit and in all in most cases it will probably be okay with maybe some
adjustments here or there. But it's just going to be a learning. People are just going to have to learn that if you're doing anything right away, get a permit and um ultimately you're better off than where we are today and you can actually potentially most likely do something in there. So that's all I got.
you picked up a lot of my questions and comments from last time. I have two just kind of minor comments. Um, under section 63-2B, I was hoping we could >> What page you're on, Mayor? >> Oh, it's
>> four >> be on top of page three. >> Yeah. I know it says includes but not limited to, but can we just add irrigation on in that list too? So it's clear that irrigation is included.
>> Thank you. And then the other one is on page six under prohibited decorative metals. Um it says concrete or caststone ornaments including statues or figurines. What if that's a mailbox? Because some people have like stone
veneer around their mailbox or people have like the manatee mailbox. Would that still be allowed? Because kind of when I read that I'm like, well, does that mean people can't like do that as a mailbox anymore? It's like I I don't know. So long as
there's no major conflict or drainage, utility conflict or drainage issue. >> I think there's a mailbox code. >> Yeah, there's a mailbox code and the United States Post Service regulates that. >> Correct. a mailbox, but if it's what I'm saying. So,
>> so if this doesn't apply to mailboxes, maybe should we just clarify that? >> Okay. >> Yeah, I would >> I know you can't not mailbox if it's wrapped because some people have there's wrap in sighting in stone or they have a statue around it kind of deal. I think there's a couple ideas.
>> Um and otherwise uh no other comments. me. I'll just say again, I think um you know, I I think there might just be some misunderstanding out there on what this is. Um again, this was already allow it was already in multiple chapters in our code. So, this is just really bringing
it to one place and if not allowing more flexibility of what can be done in the swale. Um so, it it's really a positive a positive thing. And then this is my total opinion, but as I, you know, walk, bike, drive around Dquesta, I feel like
more pro sands maybe not having the actual swale, um, I feel like more properties probably already comply with this in regards to where like landscape and whatnot is located. Um, I just don't I don't see that this is going to be a detriment to the you know beauty and
aesthetics of our community with this um with basically what we're already requiring anyways. I just you know better than me but I just feel like a lot of people already have like maybe it is encroaching that top top side on the property you know building side. Um, but I just think more properties and not
already comply with this minus maybe like I said having that swale because I think a lot of us don't even have a swale in our in our yard. I I don't have a swale, you know, so >> yeah, I would agree with that. >> Okay, that's all I have. Any other discussion? >> No.
>> Nope. Mariana, any public comment? >> No. Any public comment? Miss Watkins and Mr. Bradford. >> Good evening everyone. Pat Watkins, 167 River Drive. I think you have an opportunity here to really
encourage the the residents here. This is a basically a neighborhood friendly community, including the village and its staff. And if they could be encouraged to ask first, a lot of this would be avoided in the first place. Back in the
in the day, we used to have a um welcome packet. I don't know if they still do that, where you could put this sort of stuff in there. And this is what is required. A lot of people, you're right, have no clue. But somehow they have to be encouraged to ask first before they
do it. And the second thought I had, you just published uh to Facebook and whatever about what do your tax dollars do in the village, which was a very good thing I think. Well, a similar thing could be done. Did you know? Did you
know you require permits for X, Y, and Z? One of which is landscaping. I'm sure the majority of the people don't know, but at least encourage them to come find out. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Bradford. >> Yes. Good evening, Tom Bradford, 44
Chestnut Trail to Questa, Florida. Um, so let me start out with this. Section 63-5B is in boy. We get the introduction of the verbiage flat area. And then later on we get the three foot flat area
reference that picture that's hidden behind the clock that um uh you can't see at the moment. There you go. Okay. So I've lived in Minnesota, South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, and Florida. And in
every state except Florida, that low point in the grass is a ditch, not a swale. Okay. So, I've been studying my swale, which is typical for Tquesta pines for relative to the three-foot flat area, so I could figure out where
I'm going to plant a tree when I get around to doing it. Um, it doesn't really exist. There is no three-foot flat area in my swale. And I have a typical toqua pines modern, relatively
speaking, soil. Now, if Doug were to come out there and look at it, he would be if he was being generous, he might say, "It's flat for 18 inches." Well, then I still can't plant a tree. But if you think about three foot flat area against my
sidewalk, 3ft flat area on the roadway and then the valley, it's a ditch. It's not a swale. A swale is contoured slightly and to take it to the bottom of the valley. I also am the president of
Tquesta Pines's uh homeowners association and I can tell you with confidence every single tree is planted it's not it's most of them are not trees that we're
going to end up requiring but they are planted in the deepest part of the valley of the swale. That's just where they all are. Now, I hope that that means they're still grandfathered even though they're in the valley of the swale. I don't know, but
it it'll be a disaster if those are nonconforming and that you have to do something about it before you need to. Mailboxes, you know, the you United States Postal Service, they're going to tell you where you can put that mailbox relative to East. But you know, like you
I heard one of you say in the country club, I've seen the manatee with a mailbox in its mouth. But that's a structure. That's a bonafide structure that should require permit. But these wooden and PVC mailboxes like most of us have, that's that's they're going to
tell you. And then lastly, I would say I don't like asphalt driveways. I I understand the eye the beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but more than the beauty or or the appearance of a asphalt driveway is it
leeches buminous material because you have to periodically maintain it with that. And if you don't think that's bad, Google the buminous runoff that comes off of an asphalt driveway. I think you should you should grandfather them and never let another
person have an asphalt driveway. Lastly, >> Mr. Bradford, >> could you could you please put in the ordinance verbiage that reminds the resident, the property owner, that they can dial 811 before they dig and the it
has zero cost to doing it. >> Thank you. >> That's a good idea with the 811. >> All right. Any other public comment? Any other council discussion? >> No. >> All right. With that, can I get a motion
to adjurnn? >> So moved. >> Second. All in favor? >> I >> I never knew I'd know this much about rightways. You're right