gigantic [Applause] apper but decline. I never I mean I can check my status but he's running 5 minutes behind so I don't want to start do it or
will your presentation be or I guess is just presenting we'll wait a couple minutes. Are you guys okay waiting a little bit for Patrick? Sure. When I get to the vote and he's not here. It's okay. I hit every light. So my usually I don't
think Oh, that's right. I mean all four of you. Where did you pull that from? Trying to rep first one. like come there.
Oh, because it's like this. Sorry guys. All [Music] right. Good evening, everyone. I'd like to call to order. It's 5:32 p.m. September 11th, 2025. And this is our
special council meeting, our second and final budget hearing. Maryanne, can I get roll call? Mayor Young, here. Vice Mayor Story, here. Council member Brandon here. Council member Painter here. Council member French here.
Thank you. Can I get a motion to approve the U budget agenda? So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Right. Do we have any communications from citizens that is not related to the military or budget? We do not.
Moving on to the agenda items. One A, our finance director will announce a proposed mill rate. 1 B our finance director will announce a proposed operating millage rate necessary to fund the budget and 1 C a summary of the proposed budget. What's yours?
I'll uh read the required trim announcement. The name of the taxing authority is the village of Tquesta. Roll back rate is the millage rate that would bring the same amount of ador tax revenue as prior year adjusted for new
construction. The proposed millage rate is 6.4595 mills. The proposed operating millage rate necessary to fund the budget is 6.99% greater than the roll back rate of
6.0373 mills. The additional advalorum taxes will be used to cover increased public safety salaries, safety staff and operational costs. And with that,
uh, a summary of the budget is here. Uh, the order that we need to go is millillage first and then then dollars. So, if there's any questions, I'm here to answer. Okay. Thank you, Jeeoff. And was there a correction that needed to be made? I
heard you chatting. The agenda just uh has the proposed rate at 6.4594, but the resolution and the announcement has 6 uh 4595. So, I was just making sure that we're good, but we're good.
Okay. Typo on the agenda is not a fatal flaw. All right. Thank you, Council. Any comments or questions? No, ma'am. I have nothing for me. Okay. Me either. Uh, so I'll move on to 1D. Any member of the public desiring to
address the village council on the proposed mill rate or the proposed budget will be given the opportunity to do so. The public is permitted to ask questions prior to the adoption of any motions. Do we have any public comment?
Okay, with that I will close the public portion of the hearing. And um I know there is no additional comment from council. I don't believe so. And then the final mill rate cannot exceed the I think this is on my script but that's not right. Um but the final the final
mill rate cannot exceed the tenatively adopted miller rate. Okay with that we'll move on to agenda item two. By motion the village of Dquesta should adopt the final mill rate. The motion should be that resolution 18-25
setting the final mill rate for fiscal year 2025 2026 at 6.4. 4595 mills be approved and adopted. Do I have a motion to approve resolution 18-25 setting the final mill rate for fiscal year 2025
through 2026 at 6.4595 mills. So moved second. All in favor? I moving on to agenda item three. By motion the village of Questa should adopt the final budget. The motion
should be that the resolution 19-25 adopting the fiscal year 2025 2026 budget be approved and adopted. Do I have a motion to approve resolution 19-25 adopting the fiscal year 2025 2026
budget. So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Thank you all. And with that, can I get a motion to adjourn the budget hearing? Second. All in favor? I. Congratulations.
Wow, everyone. And we are going to roll right into I think so. We have on the agenda. We're all good. ready to go. Do we need a moment for stop or anything or are we better?
That's great. Okay, I'm going to go ahead and roll into our regular council meeting order. It is 5:37 p.m. September 11th, 2025. And this is our regular council meeting. Maryanne, can I get a roll
call? Mayor Young here. Vice Mayor Story here. Council member Brandon here. Council member Painter here. Council member French here. The invitation and pledge of allegiance today will be led by council member French.
Thank you mayor. [Applause] Welcome everyone. You can bow your head and pray with me. Dear God, we look to you today as a source of unity in the midst of diversity.
uh our brothers, our sisters around the nation are hurting. We ask that you help us reach them with the truth that only you can heal their pain. Teach us to choose love over hate and unity over division. Lord, open our eyes to see people as you see them. Tear down the
walls and soften our hearts. Give us humility, patience, and grace to love across differences. Lord, we lift up the families who still carry the weight of grief, tragic events like September 11th. We ask that you bless them with a comfort and grant eternal
peace to those who have lost. May their sacrifice inspire us to live with courage, unity, and compassion. God, we ask for your wisdom and guidance this evening. Guide us to strengthen our community and serve our nation faithfully united by you. In Jesus name
I pray. Amen. Amen. Amen. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Council Member French. I can get a motion to approve tonight's agenda. So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Moving on to presentations. Our first is
a proclamation proclaiming October 6th through 12th as Florida climate week. Anyone in the record? Sure. Florida Climate Week October 6th through 12th. Whereas the intergovernmental
panel on climate change IPCC 6 assessments synthesis report 2023 current temperature rise of 1.1 Celsius above pre-industrial levels which has contributed to an increase in weather events rising sea levels and disruption
to ecosystems and human human livelihoods. And whereas Florida with over 825 miles of coastline and many areas ft above sea level is highly highly susceptible to the impacts of
climate change including sea level rise, flooding, saltwater intrusion and stronger frequent storms. And whereas climate related change such as ocean warming, acidification, pollution cause s severe threats to our
coral reefs, marine biodiversity and fisheries which are vital to the state's environmental health and ocean prosperity. And whereas the Bolo Foundation in partnership with local municipalities, nonprofit organizations,
elected officials, ocean oceanic institutions, media, community leaders is committed to educating flidians about climate changes and empowering them with datadriven solutions to take action for a more resilient future. And whereas
Florida Climate Week held annually in October offers a platform form for communities across the state to deal with climate science, policy, innovation, and resilience strategies through the accessible programming at
Florida Climate Week. Therefore, be it proclaimed by the village of Dquesta, October 6 through 12th, 2025 as Florida Climate Week in Village of Dquesta. Thank you, Marian. I know we have Shannon from the Bolo Foundation here to
accept it. She's their uh external affairs director and the Volvo Foundation does a lot of great work with many different environmental organizations in the county really through the state right and they also have worked with uh the Trero Conservation Alliance. So thank you for everything you guys are doing.
Thank you for everything you guys are doing. You can join the um the uh virtual events at Florida Climate Week.org. I'm not moving. Thank you. Okay. The second presentation tonight is
a proclamation for cleaning fire prevention week as October 5th through October 11th. I don't see anyone from fire to accept it tonight. So, I don't think we'll read it in record, but I will say it's all it talks all about lithium um battery safety, I believe.
And it's interesting. I saw a news article, I think it was last week about um like them catching fire on cargo planes and stuff like that. So, I mean, it's really a big deal. So, I thought it was really um great uh topic they chose this year. Okay, moving on. Agenda item three,
presentation from our EAC chair, Brad, on recent EAC projects and upcoming initiatives. Thank you. So, were you all given a copy of my memo? Yes. That's good. All right. So, I'm going to skip to the end.
Um, I be happy to go over any of the agenda items from the last year, any of the presentations from speakers from the last year, but I think more importantly like to go over what we intend to do and our initiatives for 2526.
Um in these initiatives uh we wholeheartedly of course um support and uh all we do all we are asking for anyway is um at least some consideration
from uh council when it's appropriate. Um and a couple of these initiatives do align uh quite well with the 2526 strategic plan of Questa. Um in particular uh FS2 finance resilience of
storm water through funding and upgrades. Um the initiative that we have is we would like to enhance and have more descriptive storm water signage. Um we've seen a number of examples um
labels that are on the concrete around the storm water grates. Vertical signage. Um I do realize now we have the little buttons um that some of the storm water drains have. Um committee thinks it's very important that we enhance uh
our messaging on uh on the storm water drains. Um keeping in mind what everyone should know the only thing that goes down storm water drains is storm water should go down. Um and also we've uh
done some research and discussion on passive filtration for storm water. It's something that I think uh may mitigate some of the inadvertent uh pollution that goes down uh the storm water drains
and maybe even uh on purpose. So uh that's another initiative that we would like maybe council to consider at some future time. Uh the next one really in my mind is a no-brainer. Um and it
aligns very well with uh the goals and initiatives CA4 expand tree planting efforts. CA5 improve village gateways. CA6 beautifification of old Dixie Highway and to some extent U14 application of
highle transportation plan and mobility. uh specifically prioritizing and I quote prioritizing environmental sustainability. Um and this one is simple. Um we would like to uh expand uh tree and non-tree
sort of ornamental uh plants uh in our landscaping elements inqua uh and our streetscapes. Uh, next one. Uh, we would like to establish a living shoreline program.
Um, we would we support a living shoreline program in which it incentivizes residents uh to uh plant a living shoreline. We've done a lot of research. Um, heard from
subject matter experts. I attended the Florida resiliency conference uh earlier this year on the west coast of Florida on behalf of the village and um it's something that we've probably spent the majority of our time discussing
uh what this incentive program looks like at this moment. I'm not sure. where we've tossed around ideas perhaps modeling it after um what's coming after the adopt a tree program which is some sort of rebate uh
system for trees and ornamentals uh that would defay the cost of planting those on on personal property. We see the same thing for say mangroves uh in developing a living shoreline.
Uh next, and this one uh is modeled after our uh paper shredding event. I think we have them twice a year. Uh I've actually taken my paper up there and uh it seems to go very well. It seems to be
very effective and efficient and um we'd like to model an amnesty day event after it where we take in household hazardous materials. You had just mentioned something about I'm assuming rechargeable batteries or lithium
lithium ion batteries and yes uh they're a big problem. I have a number of them stored in my uh my garage right now. Do I take them down to SWA? Will I have like a little bag of them? Do I want to drive all the way down there? No. But if
we have something here in Tqua and if we're given the green light um you know obviously we organize this and coordinate this with Waste Man SWA uh but we definitely support something like this and I hope that you do as well. Um,
another thing that we have discussed uh and that we are 100% in agreement on strategies to incentivize contractors and development developers to uh adopt green building elements into their designs. Um, we've talked in a number of
different directions. One of which was uh to give uh some sort of discount to the permit uh cost or fees. Um, again, this is something perhaps you would consider when it's appropriate. Uh, next, um, and this is something that
I've I've been screaming for a while, uh, even before I was chair. Uh, I think it was the beginning of last year. Uh, WM came in and did a presentation, very good presentation. And, uh, as usual, we had a ton of questions. Uh, and one of
the things in his presentation is single stream recycling versus dual stream. In other words, instead of the blue and the yellow, you have one big bin and you throw all of your recyclables in. That's single stream recycling. Um, and I asked a simple question like I'm sure you've
compared the dual stream and single stream and is there an increase? I mean, logically, I would think there's an increase. If you make it easy to do, typically people will do it more. and he said it was over 30% more recyclable material was collected. Um and there is
a location I believe it's part of Steuart if not all of Steuart that does this. So what I'm asking for is um you know I'm sure there are hurdles um uh with regard to transitioning to something
like that. Um but I would like to identify what those hurdles are and perhaps address them. If we can't, we can't. But it's something that I think is a worthwhile endeavor when you can inc easily increase uh your recyclables uh by that much. It's a significant
amount. And then um lastly, uh one of the things we're going to do, which we did for the first time earlier this year, was had a nighttime event, non-committee meeting, um more of an educational seminar. We did it on Living
Shorelines at the time. And um you know I'm not sure what the subject matter is now but it's something that we're going to work towards probably having the beginning of next year. Questions, comments, suggestions. Thank you, Brad. Council, open up for feedback to Brad.
I had a few just comments. Um thanks for the direction you and your board are taking the EAC. That's a great idea for the hazmat day or hazard materials trash day. I'm assuming that's paint, batteries, things like that. That's a great day. I know I have some things I'm just been too lazy to drive.
down to do it a few and then your initiives seem well researched from the packet you gave. We appreciate that in the future if we just align some budget items as we go down that road but it looks like your initiative initiatives align with some of the items we've already discussed. So thank you for the
time you uh given to serve the community. Yeah, you're welcome. And um if I ever need to come back and give maybe more detail to one of these initiatives, I'd be happy to do that. Thank you. Yeah, I'd second that. I think you have some great initiatives on here. Um, and I really appreciate all
the work you and the rest of the committee are doing and I'd love to hear some more about some of these. Okay, but thank you. Um, quick question for household hazardous. Are we also talking about old cleaners, old paint cans after people?
we probably would need to align with WM on what they would accept um uh and probably follow their lead. Um I've researched some examples of other municipalities doing the same thing. And
it's, you know, no biologics, no radioactive, but pretty much everything that that is a household hazardous. I like where you guys are going with the idea and I if if it were to go forward, I'd like to see it be realistic and I know realistic people are going to have
things left over from projects. So, if we could somehow just look at including things that are very common in people's garages and those cabinets and shelves. Um cuz I I think we all agreed it's kind of like we keep the bag for Goodwill in the back of your car for a couple months, right? Um what was the other
one? your passive filtration strategies. Is that one of those things where the filter is in the storm drain or are we looking at preiltering such as plantings in the swailes that would basically filter things before they get
both? We again we're just kind of researching and uh and discussing at this point. I don't think we would necessarily move forward unless given kind of a a nod or a green light to say, "Okay, well, we're
interested in this. Let's, you know, get some more detail on it." I I would definitely be happy to do that. I only ask um I I know there's some towns that started those filters in the storm drains. Our previous utility
director, Mr. Hammond, at one point kind of looked into it. They're very expensive. So, something to keep in mind. We have a lot. So, if council decides to kind of go forward with this with you guys, maybe we just put a um kind of like we do with roads, we put a
priority list because some drains have certain angles and do tend to collect more debris than others and vice versa. Um, so I don't I don't disagree with that. I I think that's a big jump because we have so many. I think if you guys start somewhere small first with
that, like what are the drains that cloth the most and which ones are on more of a slope and then also maybe include I would like to see including some plantings around them that catch larger debris before they even get to the drain. Um, but I like a lot of
these. I think a lot of them are realistic. I think some of them are very achievable. Um, good luck picking which one to go first. Um, but I'm excited to see what you guys come forward with. Thank you. And Brad, thank you. Um, your leadership on this committee is evident and thank you
for what you've done. I won't repeat, but we'll echo what everybody else has already said. Great job. I love the direction that this committee is is heading in and just want to thank you for your time because this it is a big commitment. I know during the day and then this evening as well. So, thank you for what you do and to your whole committee. Thank them on our behalf.
Thank you. Yeah, this is great. Uh, thank you for the update. It's been a while. We really appreciate the update and and we get to see all the hard work that you guys have been doing. Um, a couple quick comments. I love the amnesty day for the hazardous waste. I think you guys should really
focus on that out the gate and make that happen. That's a fantastic idea. Um, the living shoreline program. I would like to see what you guys come up with for that. I my personal opinion, I do want to see we just rolled out a new tree rebate program. So, I would love to see how that, you know, works out before we
maybe commit to a living shoreline program. But I would like to see what you guys come up with your thoughts in the budget and what that would look like. Um the storm water drain, that's a that's a great one. We have really good signage right now and it does say um no
dumping drains to the waterway. There are a lot of inlets and manifold covers that are missing them. So maybe that's what you guys could focus on first. Um because I do think we have a really nice sign. It's colorful. it does pop if you if you walk up to the um you know like catch basin great you can see it. So
maybe focus on ones that don't have it and let's start there um and get those labeled. That would be a really good place to focus out the gate. The the mitigation runoff um I like what council member Brandon said about maybe focusing on um things we can do to filter before
it gets to like a catch basin for example. depending on the type filters and catch basins could be a very costly um endeavor for our storm water utility because they're going to have to also be checking them all the time to make sure they're not clogged so they're draining
cuz those get clogged pretty easily. Um so that will be increased maintenance for our staff too. Do we have the staff capacity? So those are all things that you guys can look into but do keep that in mind. I know for construction site that's already required. It's part of the sediment and erosion control plan, but if you're thinking holistically
throughout the village, you know, maybe work with a storm water utility and see what their thoughts are and if it's something that's even doable just from um um an execution standpoint with the staff that we have right now. And then the green building, I don't and
it's more Jay and you can follow up after, but we workshopped that. It was a while ago and I I can't remember where we landed. So, I love an update on that. And then um waste management the single stream the only um it's not a bad idea but I know that's gone back and forth um
I think pre you even being on EAC SWA doesn't provide that service so it might be very difficult for WM to do that and there's a lot of data and studies out there that single stream can increase recycling but you have a much lower quality of recyclable commodities um
they can't be used as much because it's contaminated. So there are a lot of benefits to dual string as well in regards to actually being able to use a higher level of those materials uh you know down the road. So maybe just do some research on that and that just could be very difficult because SW just
doesn't at this time provide provide that service. But um otherwise they're great job and keep doing what you're doing. I know you guys got the new was the new um member is he this week's meeting? Yeah, he came yesterday. Good to hear. Y All right. Well, thank you much.
Appreciate it. Thank you, Brad. Thank you, Brad. All right. Can I get a motion to approve the consent agenda? So, move. Second. All in favor? I. Do we have any communications from
citizens on items that are not on the agenda tonight? We do. We have um this is Carol Bear. Thank you. Hello to all of you. I am here to introduce Hannah's home. And you know Hannah's home is in our town, our
beloved Hannah's home, our new CEO and director. And and I'm so excited to introduce Nikki Hamilton. And I just thought that you might like to know her because she's in our town and she's helping so many young children and she
has something to say real quick. Real three minutes. Heard about my time limit. Hi Rick. Um this is my first time being in the village um and working here and I am it's my first week but I'm so impressed.
Um the fire department came yesterday to feed the girls. Um, we have a kitchen under renovation. Um, so restaurants in the area have been picking up the tab for them, bringing food, and the firemen came yesterday and they we had a little one-year-old's birthday and Tristan got
to be on the fire truck and the moms were so excited. Everybody took pictures. Firemen shopped, prepared, delivered, and it was an amazing little one-year-old birthday yesterday. And I'm so impressed with the village. This town
village is amazing. Hi guys. I'm sure I'll see you all again. Welcome. Welcome to Quest for introducing yourself. Any other comments? No. Any other something? Yep. Pastor Paul, you can come up to the
podium. It's pretty good to be home and uh I want to thank you for your prayers and for your encouragement. It was a it was a pretty long eventful surgery, but the good news is the
disease is gone. And um my surgeon said, "Paul, go back to Florida. Enjoy the rest of your life." So just to see all of you here tonight, you have no idea what it means just to be back home again. I was reminded of I think it was the second last council meeting where
councelor Brandon you you prayed for it and I watched it. I couldn't be here. I watched it online and when you prayed for me and you cried as you did, I'll never forget that as long as I live. Now all of you had your
heads bow and praying. and Jeremy, your voice at the end were so very special and I'm so very grateful to be a part of this team and this village and back to work again. So, thank you again so so very much. Welcome back.
We're so happy to see you in the chambers tonight. Any other um communications from citizens not an agenda item tonight? Yes, Miss Watkins. Good evening everyone. I just want to take the opportunity to thank the fire
department, the police department, and the village for having that ceremony this morning. It was so poignant and so moving. It was only 20 minutes. I wish the whole village could have been hearing. It was wonderful to see and thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any other communications from citizens?
Moving on. Communications from the council. Um just a quick one. I um I was able to attend council connections last night through the um chamber. Gosh, I never remember the name. The North Chamber. Palm Beach North Chamber. Palm Beach North Chamber. Yeah, that
one. Um and it just it's always very refreshing. I mean, not to say these other towns, cities around us aren't special. Um, but I always walk away feeling very very blessed to be not just part of our village, but be able to sit up here with all of you and the
relationships we all have. And I don't think they all have that. So, um, it's just always a good reminder for me. So, and learn some good stuff as well along the way. And that's all I was really to say, too, is thank you to you guys. Um, as we
watch our neighbors and everyone's dealing with the same thing, budget, state laws, development, more people moving here, we all have the same things we're addressing. But thank you guys for always being able to work together so we can find solutions and success for our little village and make sure that our
residents are getting our respect and respect to them. So, I appreciate that. I love that. I'll I'll add to that is I think there's a lot of diversity, but we do function as one. Um, and there's some unity and I really do appreciate that. Thank you, Pastor Paul. Welcome back.
Thank you so much. Nikki, congratulations. Welcome. You guys look so great. I'm telling you. Awesome. Um, I just want to say recognize uh public works. There were 15 homes last Friday, if I'm not mistaken, that were without water. And there might
have been some communication issues just based on the very unique timing of it. Um, but I will tell you this. Uh, first I panicked at one point cuz I walked out and there was a river flowing down north over and I thought, "Oh my gosh, something really, really broke." But it was public works releasing the pressure from the fire hydrant and this was about
5:30 in the evening and they didn't, these guys and men and women didn't eat lunch until well after 3:00. Um, they came out and I'm not exaggerating when I tell you there were four public works people almost up to their chest manually digging to get to where the problem was.
It was fixed and clamped and something else might have broke. And I apologize if I'm describing it all wrong, but they did an amazing job. Um, it was thankless. Um, there were a lot of people. There's not misinformation, but unfortunately some information that didn't get out and really in a timely manner and the village jumped on it
immediately and we now have a new directive for that. But I just want to recognize there's so many things that are going on in the village right now when it comes to public works, utilities, and all the different things that activities on a daily basis. I said to a constituent here recently, I said, "There's so many things that go on this
village on a daily basis that the residents never know about." And that's by design. Up here, I feel we probably only know about 10% of what goes on, and that's by design. But we have some of the most qualified staff, the most dedicated people, and I just want to acknowledge that whenever we can. So Jeremy is is
the village manager. Thank you for the leadership that you give and the flexibility and the entrepreneurship that our departments have. just please to anyone that is here um from any of those departments is all of our departments, thank you because Friday night or whenever that was um could have
gone really sideways and they really pulled it back together and I just want to recognize public works for really working well into the evening. So, thank you. Thank you council for all your your great comments tonight. Um I have one more thing to add. Uh yesterday I attended the first official public
meeting for the countywide master transportation plan that the uh consultant put on. It was in at the library in Palm Beach Gardens. Jay was there as well. Uh it wasn't highly attended but it was from 12 to 2 on a work and school day. I did express that
to the consultant that you know maybe that time choice wasn't the best for uh you know max public engagement but it was really informative and they had a um one of those live surveys where you like they issue the questions on your phone and then you see the results live on a
screen. So they're really able to get feedback and then a different variety of issues on what you know the people that were there thought were the most important that they should focus on. So I think they have I think they had two yesterday. I think they had another one that evening somewhere else, but they're going to have eight total. So, we'll be um excited to see what the results are
of that and I will keep you guys up to date on that front. Cool. Mayor, if I may, um I was saying public works, but water and utilities. So, I mean, if I have the department incorrect, I apologize, but make sure they were in yellow, bright yellow shirts, and they were up to their chest, slinging mud, water everywhere, and uh
just they got it fixed really, really quick. So, thank you. Thank you. All right, moving on to standing reports attorney. Thank you, mayor. So happy to see my friends Paul and Carol out in the uh gallery tonight. Again, um
this is a nonpartisan body, but um I'm going to mention a pretty big case that was handed down yesterday um which will no doubt be dealt with along partisan lines, but it's it's an important case. It's called Stanley McDaniels versus the
state of Florida. And the first district court of appeal basically ruled that Florida's ban on open carry of firearms is unconstitutional um as um applied against the United States Constitution.
Um, the court, it's a pretty lengthy opinion, but essentially said that open carry of firearms can be subject to some reasonable regulation, but cannot be outright banned. Um, it's my
understanding the Florida Attorney General is generally in agreement with the opinion. So, it's unlikely, seems to me, that the state will appeal that. Uh what I think is likely is that the governor will um make a push for a
legislative change. Um the the statute that was declared unconstitutional by the first district court of appeal is section 79053 which is the statute that makes open carrying of a firearm a secondderee misdemeanor. Um so that I suspect uh add
it to the list of things that will be um dealt with during the 2026 legislative session. Um, so as I said, I normally don't like to report on partisan things, but that was a pretty pretty big case. Came down yesterday. Um, interestingly,
uh, and I I didn't actually realize Florida is only one of a very few states that don't allow open carry as a matter of course. Gen generally, most states do allow open carry. Um, so I I found that
to be interesting, but uh wanted to make sure you were aware uh that that court opinion was handed down yesterday and uh we'll I reported that for tonight. Thank you, Keith. Any comments or questions for Keith? All right, village attorney or village
manager. Uh, council member Sartorii, I appreciate you um mentioning the water break because that was one of the things I was going to mention is, you know, we we take for granted sometimes that, you know, just turn on the faucet morning, brush our teeth that, you know, it's taken for granted. We have a great team
that, you know, is always always on call, always ready to be able to do that. They work for for two days. You capture it pretty well, they fixed it, and then we had another break. And um and I think it's an example of the AC pipe that we've been talking about and the you know the capital charge. We need
to replace that AC pipe because it does cause problems. So I do want to thank the team and I know I've shared that with Marjorie and and her team. Um this we did uh hold our kickoff meeting for Constitution Park where we're going to start the design and the plans for that.
It's been a long long process for that, but we finally got approval from the state to to begin. Um, and so we had a kickoff meeting and so that process will begin. We're expecting, you know, six month process, give or take a little bit, to to at least see some some plans
develop there. And that's Questa Park. To Quest Park, did I say different? Sorry about that. We don't need plans for that one. Um, I want to give an update on the railroad because I know that came up last time
and so Doug provided me kind of a a highlight that we can read in and occasionally I'll give you guys this and so our our residents are um updated on this but mid late uh 2024 EPO committed fully funded project of $600,000 to
install exit gates uh at the signal at no cost to the village. So that's one of the reasons why this has taken this process taken a long time is for those safety improvements for that railroad. It's it's roughly $600,000. We did not want to take on those costs. We have
pursued funding other ways and so we've gotten that commitment. Um director uh Doug Chambers is in the final stages of completing the agreement. I know legal has has helped us with that um with Bright Line and FBC um for the construction and and coordination of
that. Um the next step in that process is Doug's going to meet has a meeting set up on September 17th with Brideline and FC to finalize the maintenance responsibility of those new gates. Uh right now we don't have maintenance of those and we don't want to take on maintenance of them. Um and so we're
trying to work on that that portion of this is who's going to be responsible for the maintenance after they're built. Um so uh we are still you know still the construction phase is 6 months once we approve that agreement which will hopefully be on the council in October
is what we're hoping for and then 6 months from that we'll have the safety improvements and then at that point if it's safe and and council wants to pursue the quiet zone we can do that. these this u construction these improvements are for the safety of the railroad and our and our citizens and
and that's you know the the funding that we've chased down. Um and then on a good note, Friday, October 10th, we'll have a kickoff of our concert series at Constitution Park. Um and so we're excited about that. You'll start seeing some information being
blasted out in the coming days for that. With that, you have my report. Thank you. Any comments or questions for the manager? No comments. Thank you. No comments. Thank you. Police department. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council, uh you have my report for our
monthly updates. Just a couple of highlights. We continue the civilian firearm safety class. We have another one uh the last week of September. Um the aggressive driving grant, we continue to do enforcement up until September 30th. That grant is still uh going. We've had a couple of ride
alongs. uh PBA contract negotiations and Marine will talk about that are done. Uh I had a DEA meeting uh just in regards with the new ASAC in regards to what they're seeing with all the issues as far as drugs being imported and what we
as a team are all doing together. So it was a very productive meeting. There's two more things I want to highlight is you approved and thank you for the drone grant which Sergeant Yield has worked on. uh we will be receiving through a grant uh two drones uh at no cost to the
village. Uh grants are going to pay for them completely. So we're very thankful for that. And then we swore in new officer Jack Spores this Monday. Mayor, thank you for coming and saying some words. And uh he's our first explorer turned police officer. So we're very excited for his future. So glad you have
my report. Any questions for the chief or comment? No, just chief. Sorry, just one chief. Um, in the monthly service task, you have the requested country club detail. Can you explain that? Yes, the the country club uh was premigating the uh the building for a
couple of days. So, they hired a couple of officers uh to stay there overnight for security. Thanks. Thank you, Chief. Fire department. Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council. Uh first off, thank you so much
for those who were able to attend uh the 911 ceremony this morning. Thank you for the kind words. It did go very well. The team from public works to fire to PD. Everybody did a great job. Mayor Young, thank you so much for your comments. Um we got nothing but compliments about it and the speakers worked. So that was we
were already ahead of the game when the speakers started working. So we were good. Uh Doug reminded me yesterday to check that. So I did and uh we were good. Um we had a lot of great meetings this month. We're very well represented uh throughout the county and throughout South Florida. One of the most important
ones was uh we had a presentation for all three shifts for the National Firefighter Registry for Cancer. And um we're probably over half of our department, probably 16 are registered. And what this does in a nutshell is
keeps track of all firefighting related cancers throughout our department. And it helps us with grant money. It helps us with research and things of that nature. So, um, Council Member French, I know you know this that initiative very well and hopefully we will get what's called a gold helmet and that's if you
have over half your department registered. So, it went very well. Everybody was very well informed and it's retired volunteers. I believe they're both county retired firefighters. So, it was great. Um, Lieutenant Dodd had a great month. He
taught some classes for good sheeperd and he also finished a very challenging course with Palm Beach County Fire Rescue for captain officer development. He was the only one not affiliated with Palm Beach County Fire Rescue and the rumors I heard back was he was one of the leaders the whole entire week. So I
was very proud of him for representing us so well. Not surprised at all but just uh it was a good showing for us. Uh once again 911 ceremony. We've got some things coming up this month. Our written exam for entry- level firefighters is going to be this week and they're going
to have about a five-step process uh to get through uh before they get their job offer. And let's see, a lot of new policies in effect. Uh most of them stem from ISO, including annual fire inspections, which we've been doing forever, but now we actually have a
policy to go with it, which was ISO's recommendation. So, we obviously comply. Same thing with hydrants. and uh once again a new hire process and we will begin once that's done the lieutenants promotional process will start almost immediately after that the notice will go out they need 6 months per contract
and then uh they will start with their written in their assessment center which is going to be farmed out to Palm Beach State College so that'll work very well for us and um still ongoing with the grants they are still in the 25 grant cycle which is they're very behind with
the state the state fire So hoping to hear from them soon and that'll be for our turn off here. And with that you have my report. Does anybody have any questions? Council. Thank you very much. Utilities department. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and
council. Um I just want to provide a couple of highlights from the utilities update for this month. Um the first one being Dover Ditch. That project has kicked off and is underway. Um they are currently excavating and creating that mandarin canal. So, we're very excited about that project and it is currently
on schedule. Our larger water treatment plant improvements project is currently out to bid. Um, we had our pre-bid meeting on Tuesday this week and the bid opening is scheduled for October 2nd. Um, and if everything goes well, we will issue a notice to proceed in December of 2025. Our membrane replacement project
is on tonight's agenda for contract award. If awarded tonight, we estimate a notice to proceed in late September, early October. Um, water mane one, as you may have noticed, started this past Tuesday. So, that project um is underway and the contractor is doing a great job
moving things along quickly. So, that's on track. And then water mane 2 betrod phase 2. We did receive the agreement from FD and we are going through the execution process and planning um to take that project out to bid in a couple of months. That's all I have. Council,
any questions or comments? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Alison. Thank you. Moving on, regular agenda, old business, agenda item 13, resolution 2025, supporting uh naming of the island
Jupiter Narrow Conservation Alliance efforts in naming of the mangrove islands. Keith, you have anything for this? This was prepared based on uh the presentation u from your last workshop and the discussion that council had
following that um memorializing the council's support for that naming effort. We have no questions. Thank you. Do you have coming? No, I'm in support.
All right. Any public comment? Any public comment? Can I get a motion? So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Moving on to new business. Agenda item 14. Consider approval of the 2025 2028
VOT PBA collective bargaining agreement. Madame Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council, Merlin Reed, HR director, and risk management. Uh we're here tonight to ask you to consider approval of the 2025
2028 VPBA collective bargaining agreement. Firstly, I would like to acknowledge the PBA negotiating team, attorney Brennan Keeler, Sergeants Rick Corowski, and Matt Munis. I don't think any one of them is here tonight. The
team representing the village were of course village manager Jeremy Allen, labour attorney Laura Donan, police chief Gus Medina, uh, assistant chief Jim McGru, finance director, uh, Jeff Snder, and myself. So, the entire village team is here. So, as we progress
and you have questions, we're all available to answer. Now the negotiations were I would describe them as a little more protracted over what we're used to. It lasted nine sessions which was a record
for us. We had nine negotiating meetings and the outcome is I'm going to go through um some of them here. I'm going actually by the order article number not necessarily how significant it is. So the first the first thing we have the
first change is article 7 introduction of a physical abilities test to be taken annually on a voluntary basis. This is to start in October 2026 with a one-time pensionable non-pensionable sorry
payment of $250 from members who pass. Article 13 wages increases of 13% in the first year, 6.5 in year 2 and 6.5 in year three. Article 14 special duty
compensation. We have three new additions intro. We have introduced a night shift differential pay from 6:00 p p.m. to 6:00 a.m. and that's 2.5%.
We also have introduced a diff uh differential 5% differential for addition of traffic homicide investigation as well as PIO duties. That's public information officer duties and it's actually if I could count
that's four and there's a differential as well for performing duties as part of the bicycle patrol unit. Article 28 career service benefit members with 5 to 10 years of service will now receive a one-time annual
payment of $500. And we thought this would be helpful in helping to retain um officers. The first five years are usually the most um the where you find not just police but um employees tend to leave.
The next article article 29 upon adop upon adop adoption of an amended pension ordinance members may purchase prior certified correctional officer service. uh reopeners. We do have We don't normally have reopeners, but we have two
this year. Article 15 insurance and article 29 retirement. Uh and finally, article, we have a new article. We have two new articles. Probation, a 12-mon
probationary period is going to take effect after completion of field training. Previously, we used to count the field training experience, the time frame as part of the 12-month period. Now, it will begin after uh take-home
vehicles subject to budget assignment and the discretion of the police chief members will be provided with take-home vehicles. And we wrap by just giving you an outline. Currently the fiscal year
ending 930 the total will be 1 roughly 1.9 million and then each year you will see the numbers there uh starting 101 2025 the total is 2,196920
and so on we are available to take questions council appreciate your hard work but no questions process No questions. One question. The career service
benefit, it's the summary here. It says members with 5 to 10 years of service will receive a onetime annual payment. What happens at 11 years of service or not? We that's already in the contract. So we have a tiered system. Uh we just added that one. So persons
that's article. Hang on. So you added the 5 to 10 years. Uh you added the 5 to 10 years. We added the five to 10. That's the only difference. We have always recognized um 10 and above. Thank you. Okay. No, thank you. Great job.
Okay. And I just want to express my sincere thanks to both parties for, you know, another uh successful negotiation of the collective bargaining agreement. So truly thank you to everyone that was involved in getting this across the finish line. Thank you. I appreciate it on behalf of
the entire team. Maryann, is there any public comment cards? No. Any public comment? No. Can I get a motion? So moved. Second. All in favor? Item 15, ordinance number 07-25,
first reading of the zoning text amendment um to revise required number of parking spots for our marinas. Thank you, mayor. Ordinance 0725 uh an ordinance of the village council village of the quest amender chapter amending chapter 78 zoning article 10
off streetet non- street parking and loading regulations section 78705 entitled required number of parking spaces to modify the number of required spaces for marina uses providing each and every other section subsection chapter 78 shall remain full portion effect as previously adopted providing
conflict clause seability clause authority to codify effective date and other purposes Good evening. Jay Hutch here presenting ordinance 0725. It's a parking zoning text amendment. Uh it's for the gym club. I think you're familiar with the property. They came in for a conceptual
presentation uh sometime I think late last year. A little history. Um it was annexed in the village in 1979. At that time it contained docks, boat slips, a pool, two structures, and an asphalt parking lot um at that that time. So, pretty similar to how it's operating today. Um, it's
been considered a legal non-conforming for parking since its inception. Um, and generally non-con legal non-conformities can remain in place as they are, but you can't expand the nonconformity. Um, and in this case there, what you're going to see is a proposed expansion of the
nonconformity. Um, and code section 7894 basically says, you know, kind of backs it up. However, no alterations, enlargements, extensions, or other modifications shall be made on nonconformities. So, the request that you'll see is a is
a new building that will add 921 ft of office space above their existing ship store. Um, it's really just going to be for internal office purposes. It's not going to bring too much new uh new uh visitors to the site. Um, there is currently not enough parking by code to
uh permit the expansion. So, the applicant um is going is proposing a zoning text amendment to change the village's parking standards for marinas. Um there's also a site plan and special exception for that new office space. Um but that would come before you during
second reading if it were pass first reading tonight. Um so the gym club is in the R3 zoning district. Um marina facilities are only allowed in the R2 and the R3 and only on properties which are contiguous to the inter coastal waterway. So there are a
couple of R2 properties that are on the uh the locksahhatchee. Those would actually not be eligible to put in marina as the way our code is written. Um these are the properties that you can conceivably put a marina in or that you can technically put a marina in.
Conceivably I think you could only really do one at Waterway Beach condos. Um that's the only place where it looks like there's really enough space to do parking um and um kind of fit one in there. Um, but of course somebody could could try to put one in at any of these
properties. So, our current code requires one and one half spaces for each boat slip, which would require 44 spaces here. Um, the proposed code is one um space for every two boat slips. And there's also
requirements for um commercial um uses. So, under this new code, they'd only be require required to provide 15 parking spaces. Here's some examples of other um marina parking codes um mostly in Palm Beach County and um Treasure Coast area. So,
the red are ones that are more restrictive than than what we have and the green is u or more restrictive than what's proposed and the green is is um in line or less restrictive. Right? So, Jupiter requires one space per slip. Um, Stewart is one space per five slips plus
one space per employee. Same with Martin County. West Palm is one space per slip. Rivier is one space for per slip. Palm Beach Gardens is one per two slips. Um, Palm Beach County is one per slip. North Palm is two spaces per slip. And Lantana
is one space per two slip. Um, you may notice some cities that are missing. Some don't even have standards. So, Juno Beach doesn't have any standards. Um, Lakew Worth Beach doesn't have standards. I think Del Re may not even have any. So, some places don't even have them. Um, these were, you know,
mostly the waterfront property uh municipalities I could find. Um, additionally, some some have additional requirements um that are kind of relevant in this case. West Palm and Palm Beach Gardens both require um you to park the accessory uses. So, if you had a marina with a restaurant, you'd
have to park that restaurant, too. Our code currently doesn't clarify that. So, here's uh kind of a breakdown of what would be required because you we're we're holding them to that even though it's not in the code. We're saying that you're still going to have to park for your ship store and your your office
space. So, under the current code, they would actually be required to provide 50 spaces. Um under the proposed code, they' be required to provide 21 spaces. So, they'll and with 24 spaces provided, they'll only have three extra spaces. So, you're not going to have enough extra spaces here where they're going to be able to come in and put in a
restaurant or, you know, tiki bar or anything like that, right? They could probably, you know, add another small addition that would, you know, for with those three extra spaces that they had. Um, one thing as I, as I kind of dug further in this, it's not in the
official recommendation of the PCB, but as I was prepping for this, I did notice and like I said in the West Palm and Palm Beach Gardens code, it does clarify that accessory uses have to have to park those accessory uses. Um, so even though we're kind of holding to that, I think
it's not the worst idea to put that in the code and clarify it just to be safe. So if you wanted to, you could actually add on to it and say accessory uses shall be parked in accordance with the parking space requirements for the individual use. So if they did a restaurant, a tiki bar, or expanded the ship store, we could kind of hold up to
that. Uh this went to the local planning agency in August. Um they voted 5 to zero to recommend approval. Um they also voted 5 to zero to recommend approval of the site planets associated with this project. Um, of course, like I said, those will be that would be heard at
second reading along with a special exception. Another thing to point out that marinas require a special exception. So, if someone were to try and propose a marine at another property in the R2 or R3, they not only have to go through the site plan approval process, they have to go through the special exception process. So, there's
some checks and balances um to make sure that it's compatible and consistent with the uh the area. Uh, that's my presentation. I know the applicant has one as well. Uh good evening, Troy Holloway with 2Gho. We're here on behalf of the Jupiter Yacht Club. We also have with me
tonight John Krisk and his son. Uh they own and operate the marina on a daily basis and they own it for a long time. So they're here to answer any questions uh if you need them needing to be answered. Um, as Jay did mention, you know, there there are three different aspects to this project. We're here
tonight mainly to talk about the text amendment, although it is kind of interrelated to the the site plan amendment because the zoning text amendment is required because of the 921 foot manager's office that we're needing to do onto the marina. So, for the most
part, I'll try to just address text amendment issues in in part of the presentation because we'll be here next month to talk about the site plan, a special exception. So, with that, you know, we are here requesting a decrease uh a text amendment to allow decrease in parking requirements for the marina use.
Um, in addition to that, we are requesting a site plan of special exception approval for a minor expansion to the existing gym club and marina for the 921 ft uh second story addition for managers office and storage for miscellaneous marina supplies and equipment which will be above the ship
store itself. Um, and also as mentioned the property does contain some existing legal non-conformities related to the parking and in addition to the open space requirements. Of course, this is the site uh budding the inter coastal just south of beach
road inside the uh inlet Jupiter inlet colony. Just some quick facts about the Jupiter yacht club. It's kind of interesting. They have been in service since about 1960. Um they do offer equity memberships, documentium ownerships, slip rentals, and assorted services. Uh
the property does contain ship store, restrooms, pool, fuel pumps, and laundry facilities for the for all the boats and dock slips. Um it's the only marina located on Jupiter Island and within the village of Tquesta. Um and just some brief history, we did provide we did come to you all um back
in December of 24 and did a conceptual presentation for this um where we did talk about actually needing the the amendment the text amendment whether a text amendment or waiver would be which way would be the best way to go. Um we did provide uh informationformational letters to some of the residents four of
the abuing residents there on the south property line uh back in January of this year. We did not hear any comments from those four residents. Um we did provide also a presentation to the Jupiter inland colleague um in January of 25. That meeting went very well. their
really only concern was just on how the the the the proposed structure would look on the south side and and they wanted to make sure that people were weren't looking down into their properties. Other than that, they were fine. Um then of course we made our initial submitt January 25 on the 21st
just after our meeting with you in the colony. Um this is our site plan. Of course there it's it's an existing facility, existing marina. We're not adding any slips. We're not adding or removing any parking. We're not adding or removing any green space. The only the whole thing stems just from adding
the second story 900 ft manager's office above the existing building. Um, and this kind of just a little blow up of the of the building itself in the enlarged the yellow area would be where the second story would be. Again, the whole point of the text amendment is the
parking provided which is currently existing on site are 24 spaces uh with um with in getting it up to the current code. Um and again we do park the not only just the not only the slips but we'll be providing parking for the
manager uh manager's office the 300 and some square foot store. So all the accessory uses we also park. So with that that we would equate to 47 spaces per year code. I'll just skip over this. We can talk about that next month. Just talks about
the proposed addition itself. Um again the JIP club does provide fueling services. That that is their main business. Uh the marina does contain no liverboards or any charter boats. Um on a daily basis there's only one employee there a day that manages that marina. Um
uh there are no alcoholic beverages that are served inside or outside of the ship store. However, drinks and food can be purchased in the ship store itself. Um outside boat service personnel, basically maintenance personnel that would maintain the boats. That's typically only one vessel per day uh I'm
sorry, per week is maintained. So you don't have three or four service vehicles in the parking lot on a daily basis. Um and the 29 slips are seasonal and only full during peak season. I'm just going to we can look at these later if you need to. These we can talk about during the presentation in
October. These are just shots of the building itself. Sorry, we'll just pan through those. Um, and this is about the parking. Um, I know Jay covered a lot of it. Um, but the 29 existing slips of the marina currently require 44 spaces for just the
marina. Uh, 44 spaces per your current code. Um so what we've done here and kind of the same thing that Jay's shown um basically Twist's current parking ratio for marinas doesn't really align with the actual demand for marinas and it's not consistent with other compatible u nearby municipalities. So
what we've shown here from top to bottom we have the at the top of course to quest elites the pack there providing requiring 44 spaces at 1.5 spaces per slip. Next down from there we've got Jupiter one space per slip that would be
29 spaces for this particular marina. Poppy Shores 75 spaces which would be 22 spaces. At the very bottom we have Martin County Stewart which is like a little extreme. They've got one space per five slips which would only be six spaces for the marina which seems kind
of kind of crazy. So what we did was we looked at the three in the middle there which are kind of the average and median which is North Palm, Riviera and West Palm Beach which is one space for two slips which for this marina would be 15 spaces. Um those three uh municipalities
also have four to six very large successive marinas in the municipality which um are operating successfully with no issues. So we use those as kind of the as the uh median. Um in order to rectify an existing parking non-conformity and deficit, we
have proposed a zoning tax amendment to reduce marina parking requirements to be more consistent with the surrounding miss valleys. Um your village code does allow for the ability to request a reduction required on site parking. But again, we feel that the text amendment is the way to go. It's a much cleaner uh
more equitable solution. Uh so again what we've proposed here is one space for every two boat slips. Uh and we've also added in in working with staff we've added parking spaces for charter services shall consist of three parking spaces for each passenger carrying
vessel with less than six passengers and one parking space for every two passengers or vessels with more than six passengers. Again we don't have any charter boats in the marina. I think that's actually not not permitted in the marina. So will not happen unless they change their their bylaws.
Um just some rationale for a text amendment versus a waiver and or something else. Um there's little potential for adverse impact here. This text amendment is not creating negative scenarios at all. Um as all R2 and R3 parcels requesting a marina would have to receive a special exception use
approval. So it has to come in front of you all to do anything on that uh aspect. uh parking does not and the parking does not necessarily correlate to the actual use of recreational boats. Uh the United States Coast Coast Guard has data that suggests that that vessels are typically only used 10% of the year.
So on any given day on an average that would only be three cars or three boats going out in a in a daily basis. So anyone who owns a boat will tell you they don't they don't just don't use it enough. Um uh we worked again we worked closely with your staff to develop additional language that would provide
parking requirements for charter boat services and there are no charter boats operating in there today. Um and just kind of talk about you know text amendment versus waiver here. A text amendment it's generally more it's considered a more robust and preferable approach. It represents a change to the
written governing rules themselves while waivers are typically more sight specific. Um again we could request a waiver based on this as it is sight specific. I mean it is has been the parking situation has been there a long time but again we just think it's a much cleaner much more equitable solution. Um
it also the text amendment provides permanence and predictability. It reduces potential for favoritism or special treatment. It directly addresses the systemic issue provides a more comprehensive approach to planning. U it's just a better transparency and due process. uh waiver is more appropriate
situations involving unique circumstances or hardships that justify a deviation from the code. In this case, we provide specific code standards from nearby municipalities indicating current functioning and reasonable parking requirements for marinas. And we have a
marina whose parking is non-conforming by current code but has been functioning with virtually no issues for the last some 66 years. Um and text amendments enable just that jurisdiction sorry jurisdictions to update their regulations to reflect evolving community needs technologies and it's
just in good planning uh philosophies. Um and with that also I'd like to just kind of mention I know you all received a a letter from a resident um kind of had some kind of some misinformation in there. Just two of the things I would like to just cover. Um you know they
they mentioned that the village can simply allow this applicant to continue as a legal non-conformity for parking without doing any additional violence to the code. Um which is not true. Um Jay had mentioned as well um since we are adding the 900 ft office to the existing
special exception. It would it would be a we'd be expanding a non-conformity. So you just can't let that ride. Um of course the other non-conformity we have is the open space. We're not increasing that. So we're not increasing that non-conformity. So, you just can't allow that to continue. Um, and then lastly,
they said something about it's a highly probable that we're up to something. We have an undisclosed motive behind this request. Couldn't be any further from the truth. Um, they simply just need additional use for manager's office. They've got like 350 some odd square feet, I think, for the store. Um, so
it's a much needed um redevelopment there for their for their building. So, with that, I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Troy. Council, I'll open up for discussion. I have a a few comments, questions. Um the first, yes, we received many emails
on this issue, a few other I think they're generally pointed to parking throughout the village as a whole. I didn't receive any emails specifically for the marina parking when uh so I responded to all those emails. I also spoke with the beach road association member that is to really to the east of
you or to the east of the gym club and they weren't aware of any concerns. I didn't get any concerns from them. When you listed the four neighbors on the slideshow earlier, you didn't list the condo that was right to the east. Did you guys speak with that condo or why wasn't that
listed on the contacts or beach road association in general? We were just asked to notify the the budding residents, which those four single family homes were budding. So, we notified them. Um, again, we did have a meeting with the jib club. They advertised. We had a meeting with their council and the residents. Um, and
nobody had any issues at all. Okay. And they haven't received any since the site's posted as well. There's been no concerns that I've heard of. Okay. Thank you. Uh, and I want, you said there's no issues from the inlet colony. Was that one of the things you mentioned? Correct.
Okay. Thank you. And I'll just add that I did talk to them over there. They have not received any concerns or or complaints. There's they have maybe a condition of approval when we do the site plan, but it has nothing to do with the text code. Thank you. And I think what I've heard
to be clear, this parking is only changing for marinas and any new marina that came before us or would any new marina would have to come before us. Um so this would not automatically approve other marinas to have less parking or any parking issues. Um uh so with that,
I support um going for going forward with the text amendment and I'd like to hear what some of the other council members had to say as well. Yeah. Um I I agree. I mean, I we did receive uh several emails from residents and they were kind of general in nature.
Some I did receive one or two that I think did deal maybe with just the marina use, but um I agree. I mean, based on my research there, we did see some emails that there was this kind of hidden development interest, but I don't not only do I not think it's possible, I
just don't think it's the intent. I mean, I this you guys have owned this for quite some time. Um, and just the reality is, you know, it's not a huge property. It's where it lies. It it would be very difficult to do anything different than what you're already doing with it. Um, basically I just I see it
as a way to modernize our code. Um, you know, I believe I thought I read this in there that the property's been legally non-conforming essentially, you know, since it was annexed in 1979. So, why wouldn't we want to clean up our code and and and modernize it in that way?
and and and not only that, just bring it um within alignment of other municipalities around us, you know. So, um with that said, I I I do support the text code amendment. Um I am curious, Jay brought up that additional language regarding the accessory use at the end
there. Um I don't know if there's an objection to that from the applicant or not, but is that something we should consider? I'm just going to put that on the table, but otherwise I don't I'm fine with that. No, not at all. Like I said, we our site plan actually accommodates is showing
the parking requirements for the store and for the office. And I think for any other structures that are um I think when there's cooler, we we also, you know, put that in there as far as we have retail parking for the store and I think office parking for the manager's office. So, we accommodated as well.
Okay. Well, no. Yeah, no objection from me. Um, I guess we could decide if we want to add that additional language, but otherwise I have zero objection as is. I have a question for Keith. When So, our village is very old and we have
several properties that are legal non-conforming for this property. If it wasn't doing an addition to it, would it just say legal non-conforming or would this come up to us to have a change in their parking code
whether they were adding or not to the property? Sure. I understand what you're asking. I mean that so this is getting brought to us because they're adding a second layer to the current building. Correct. Correct. Yes. Okay. So, if they weren't adding, this
property could technically sit legal non-conforming for another decade. Okay. So, are we picking and choosing these legal non-conforming properties as they get renovated or we have to go through each property that is legal non-conforming? Well, I mean, this is going to I'm not
sure. Are there other marina uses that we have to deal with? I don't think so. But but regard regardless um no the concern you're raising I I don't share. I don't I mean so much like uh Mr. Painter said we we
often sometimes have to clean up our code as things come up. So I feel like this one came up and it's being brought to our attention. But we do have other properties in the village currently that are legal non-conforming and they could just legally sit there until they decide to do something to them. Correct. they
could if an applicant wanted to apply to um revise any other particular code um that makes their use nonconforming to make it conforming. I mean, you know,
this is an applicant driven uh process in this case. This is not a village driven process. So, you know, we you we would process those applications as they come. Um, and that's fine. But, you know, I don't have a concern at the
village is is being selective and picking and choosing. We we're processing an application that was that was um presented to us, which is what we're required to do. Okay. It would be it'd be similar to I'm sure you've got plenty of commercial strip
centers that, you know, that were have been built a long time ago. Um, if somebody came in and wanted to add 500 square feet, that's when you're then going to start looking at all the landscape buffers that don't meet code, all the landscape islands, and that's when same similar to this, it doesn't really get you really can't do anything
until they come in and try to do something. That's what our situation and I have a point to this, I promise, and I'll get some. Um, but I do want to say this property has been there a long time, and you guys are well respected in the marine industry. I'm very familiar with your property. I know in season
your parking lot is full. Um, but however, I don't hear and I haven't found anything on record at Jupiter Inlet Colony or from Beach Road residents that there's an issue with parking with your property. So, good job. I don't know how you pull that off. I don't know where the detailers and the
canvas people are going, but they are finding their way with that. When I look at the logistics of your parking and consider this, even if hypothetical we were looking at increasing the tax amendment for parking, you wouldn't be able to add
more parking because your property is so small and constrained. So then when I look at it the rear side to decrease it, and this goes back to just my history of considering text amendments in the village in general, I'm not a fan of approving them,
especially decreasing them because it affects the whole zone. But I cons I highly respect your property. I have no problem with adding the office space on top. I'm trying to think of a way to let you guys get that
without changing the entire zone. So I don't know why we wouldn't be proposed some sort of parking waiver or variance to please this property to make it legal conforming instead of changing the whole zone. For me, that's actually simpler
than changing the whole zone. So, I feel like we see things differently in that eye. But currently, until I listen more, I right now I'm sitting with not doing a text amendment, but trying to find a way to get you guys your parking to be legal conforming so you can get your office
space, if that makes sense. Can I solution to that? Sure. You could adopt this new standard for only for existing marinas and keep the current standard for all new marinas. So that way the new marinas would would
still have to meet that one and one half spaces for each boat slit, but they could meet this one. Okay. I don't know if Keith would that, but it's a thought. I get where you're going, but why wasn't that not brought up before then as an
option? Okay. Well, and quick question. If if that property were to redevelop, would that would be null and void then? They would have to if they were to redevelop I mean we could craft it in a way that if they redeveloped that they'd have to meet the
new standards. I mean the existing the existing standards. And that's kind of going to my point too. If we were to treat this specifically for this property instead of the whole zone, heaven forbid you
guys one day leave us and something changes on that property, it's held accountable to whatever is going there in the future. But I'm trying to figure out a way that we can find a way to get you your office space without changing the whole zone. And that's just me future thinking for the village. Nothing
against you guys or anything like that. Just know that if you were to do a waiver or zoning variance, you still have to meet some sort of legal criteria or justification for it. And it's probably a legal an easier legal path to just say that the one per two space
zoning code is consistent with what all the other municipalities do. uh that in my opinion is a cleaner legal path than a zoning variance which typically has pretty strict criteria that you have to meet. So you might find it to be a stretch to do it through the waiver through the zoning variance which I
think is also why we agree that this is the best path. Well, I mean strictly speaking part of a zoning variance criteria is that you have to establish a nonself-imposed hardship. If you're redeveloping your land and you're doing it be for your
purposes that you would be hardressed to argue it's not self-imposed. So I I agree with uh community development director completely on on that point. See I see the hardship is literally the physical size of the property. They can't add more. They can't do much with
it. And I disagree with comparing us too much to other marinas because I'm very familiar with those other marinas and I'm shocked that Lake Park wasn't on there and North Palm was on there because they have issues and I don't want to go backwards. I don't want to add but I don't want to go backwards either. So I'd ra I would personally
rather treat this property single property instead of the zone. So I'd be open I would be open to going maybe a little more complicated as you guys put it to go a different route. I don't see it complicated, but you we'll just agree to disagree.
Jay, can I get clarification on uh council member Brandon's point? If we went down the waiver, does this devalue the property for the current owner if they were deciding to sell in the future? If someone comes in, they want to do a little something different with the site and does that affect the value because
it doesn't stay with the property? I'm not sure we have a waiver. So available council can grant a parking reduction. So I I I don't I think a waiver is not the best term for it, but it's a parking reduction, but that you
typically have to provide a parking study and provide justification for for that. But but also we would need that parking study done in peak season, right? So they'd have to wait until January,
February to do their parking study and uh prolong this process, of course. We do have that provision in our code regarding off- streetet parking and the traffic study and that we do have or there's a a zoning variance which as
Keith said the legal justification for it it's challenging. Well, plus a variance carries with the land. So that variance if it was to be redeveloped would that variance be in play? The variance would would go with the land. That's not even As long as the use never didn't change,
that is correct. Yeah, I'm done for now. I'm I'm just I'm thinking about what he said. Jay and Troy, thank you very much. And to the applicants, thank you for your partnership with the village. Um I want to thank the planning and zoning acting
as LMP um LPA for reviewing this and voting 50 to approve it. Um so it's already made it through a lengthy review process. Um I have received the same emails I'm sure as my colleagues up here. Uh and in one email I did say I'm
going to propose to the village that we call legal non-conforming. I learned this evening and earlier today why that can't happen. Uh so for the for the individuals that I said I'd like to I'd like rather keep it legal non-conforming. If we do that, if we keep it legal non-conforming, then the
application for the expansion, which is really going straight up, that is denied. Correct. Okay. So, we can't even move forward with that. If that's the route that we go, correct. I was not aware of that when I stayed in my position before. So, to the people that I told in the public, um I did I was not aware. Uh and I've proven to be
malleable and open for learning. So that um is there Jay on one of these things we said with the proposed the with the proposed versus the current there was where we are there was was a space. So under the proposed the current the
required 50 and there's only 24. So under the proposed okay they would have three to spare. I thought those numbers were backwards. I thought we were still going to be outside of the proposed. So 21 to 24. Um yeah, I have used this
marina numbers numerous times. Um it's a great I think it's a great gem to have. I see the need for what you need to do. Um and again um I my position was stated publicly that I wanted to do this as legal non-conforming, but I do not and will not stand in the way of the
expansion that is definitely needed for that. So, um, so I unfortunately have to tell you that I things that I've said publicly before, I'm taking that back and I'm a big enough person to say I've learned and have been educated on that process for that. Um, so, um, I wish there was another way around it. I agree
with my colleague Brandon. I wish there was a different way to do it, but, uh, to get a variance, it sounds like the legal challenge would could be legally challenged and to make that work. Um, and it sounds like the best way to do this is for the zummy text amendment which applies only to marinas and at
this time the only marina in the village property is this one. Correct. Now you said there was one that might be available at waterway village. Now when we're saying marina is that a boat dock or just if they wanted to expand their dock to have
slips or is a marina be commercial operating commercial marina commercial marina. So basically they would have to tear that waterway down assumingly to do that that that would only happen pretty much with the redevelopment of that site. Although there is enough green space on that property they could probably they
could probably do it still but but it would most likely happen if it got completely redeveloped. I would just not interrupt. I would caution that because I know there are properties that um have condos on it and there was a commercial operating marina on the property. I was just asking. So
there is, but I just want like those exist. So I just want to make sure like it's a possibility that you could have condos and an actual commercial marina operating. Just the the one challenge is so many of them are right next to the Jupiter Narrows that I think it'd be really difficult for anyone to put a commercial marina
over the Jupiter Narrows. Okay. If that happens, I think we're um so the waves are kind of off the table is what I'm I'm hearing. Um and in order to do it, as council member
Brandon said, uh in order to do it another way could be timely, uh and quite complic well well and challenging, I should say. and and again to the people that I have said that I was going to look for the legal non-conforming use um I am not going to hold up pro hold up
this application for that if it could have easily carried over again I've learned this evening and um again I'm stating that I learned and I am now in favor of this so mayor can I ask a question real quick of course just to be blunt because you know how I
roll are we being lazy and we're just looking for the quick fix because we're afraid of the work that like a waiver would take. This is this is the best legal path forward in my opinion. Um I mean because I understand things will might some ways might take more time,
sometimes take a little more money, but I mean I'd rather do things right and fair. Okay. Just throwing it out there. That's it. Mayor, I'm sorry. Mayor, um when you said fair, what is not fair? Can can you you had made a comment about
are we handpicking what we're doing a zoning text amendment for for other. Yeah. So every time every time text amendments come up for a whole zone, it always kind of gets put at us. Are we doing it as a favor to one property or are we favoring a whole zone for the
resident's benefit? And for this pro this application, I'm looking at it for the applicant's property because it's very constrained. It's very specific. I don't understand the need for the whole zone. Even though there isn't a marina yet, and that could be 30 years down the
road, but I don't understand for the whole zone when we're literally just looking at this property. And from my legal understanding, it could be fixed. We could give them their parking amendment or adjustment that they would
need to meet to be legal conforming and give them their addition. So for me, I find that as a solution without having to change a whole zone. That's how I took it and that's how I understand it when I got legal. Okay.
Um because the way I read it is required I'm I'm paraphrasing required number of parking spaces to modify the number of required spaces for marina uses. We're not This is only for marinas no matter where they are in R2 or R3. Correct. And the only marina we have in R2 R3 is
this specific. So I think by default you can say yes, we're doing this for this applicant because they're the only one that's permitted under this use, but has nothing to do with R2 or R3 anywhere else in the village. Correct. This is only for something that is authorized as a marina use. Correct.
Residential R2 or R3 zoning. This could never come into play because if it was, they would have to have a special exception which the council can deny the application for special exception for marina and R2 and R3. Correct. Correct. And site. And these people have been here for 66 years. They've been annexed in in 1979.
Um and true several years ago when I was in the banking industry, um that condo de councilman you referenced, um we did all the concrete restoration on that. And I did learn that there were I don't know how many units are in there, but about 50 to 60% of them, this is their
third or fourth home. So they may not be utilized all the time. So maybe that's why the the parking has been able they've been great neighbors and said I'll just park over here cuz I'm looking at the aerial and I I don't see 24 uh on the site the the the marina site itself.
So wherever they are maybe there's some shared or something or it's just not a good photo. Um but I don't think that's a building that is at least by the residents occupied 100% of the time. Um so again because of all those reasons I stand corrected in the position I took
publicly and I'm in support of this. Can I jump backwards a little bit? Councilwoman Brandon, what I can do is bring to if if if this passes on first reading tonight, when it comes back for second reading, I'll provide more information about the
parking waiver that you can provide. And that way, council may be able to decide at the next meeting if you think that the um zoning tax amendment is the best path or that that is the best path. But I I was not I did not realize that this would come up tonight, so I'm not fully
prepared to talk about what that would require. But we could we could bring that back at second reading and you could you could opt to deny the zoning tax amendment and move forward with that with that process or pass the zoning tax amendment. But you you guys can I'll
provide more information so you can make a more um educated decision on that one. And I would appreciate that only again in fairness to council. So we have all of our options in front of us. we can make the best educated decision because it'll affect the village if we change the zoning and also
again just trying to cover our check boxes. Did we look at every angle? For me, that presentation was almost like a sales pitch and that's why I just want to make sure that we are making the best decision with trying to get them what they're trying to do
but making sure we do it the right way. Sure. So, yeah, the parking reduction option that'd be nice to have. Um, so we could take a look at that. Um, I know the we talked about a special exception would be needed for a marina in those
areas that are on the screen, but if we were to pass this, I mean that parking, you have the special exception um that we can review, but they that is their parking requirement that they have to meet, correct? Like so there like you're you're bound to it once you prove
it even with a special exception. Um and I don't know that we could deny a special exception down the road. We don't think you have enough parking but we meet your code requirement. I mean we're going to get ourselves in legal trouble there. So I don't think down the road like yeah it's a special exception
but we can't deny it based on parking if they meet the code. I mean we could legally it's not right. So I want to throw that out there that that's very clear. um thank you for your time to date on this um and again your uh partnership with the village for so many
years. I do the way this is written and with the property as it stands and even adding the second story I I don't see an issue here but the issue is as it is with all ZTAs is it's not just for your property it's for every you know um
applicable zone where a marina could potentially go and that is why I think we have to make sure that this is done correctly. Um, I know that you referenced some nearby cities in their code, which is great, but like when was
that enacted? I don't know. When their codes, are they recent? Were they done 20, 30 years ago? The marina industry has changed a lot. Um, and I know we have some properties like, well, it might not happen like it might because, uh, there's a lot of movement in marina development the past, you know, four,
five years. Um, so again, want to make sure we're looking at this holistically and just have the safeguards in place we need to. Um, I've been in marina development for 5 years and I've been to marinas all over state, j many other states and I am hardressed to find a
marina that is overp park. They are all all of them do not have enough parking and parking is a nightmare. So again, for your specific property, I don't see an issue, but I think there's maybe some things that we need to look at still. I like adding the accessory use which from what I'm understanding that's not going
to add more parking to your property that you can accommodate the accessory use. Um but things and I brought this up the conceptual um you know some property marinas have liver boards. I don't know that the city can dictate liboards. Lots of times that's handled at the state
level with the submerged land lease. So again, like you might not have any, but if there's future development, like if there's liverboards, like you need to have that should be a separate parking requirement for liverboards. Um, yeah. So it's part of a condominium. Sir, can you come up to the podium and
speak? That that'd be great. Thank you. And just state your property. And remember, you'll be able to put conditions on the site plan approval, right? You can't do it on the zoning text amendment, but you could put no live awards on a site plan approval if you wanted to. John Krisco. So, the gym yacht club is a
actually an association between the condominium parcel. Um, and then there are 10 fee simple slips and the and that's all underneath the association. Um, and then there are uh the jib yach club, Inc. And they're under submerged
land lease that consists of the three components of the subdivision and all of the or the association and all the slips are sold there and our bylaws prohibit liboards. So I wanted to make sure you know no one would have that. So great. Thank you for that clarification on your property. But again like if
there's future development marinas like another marina if there ever is one develop could. So like I said if we were to add a lower provision that wouldn't necessarily impact what you want to do but we would have that safeguard in there for future development. Um boat rentals is another thing. Like for
example, Freedom Boat Club leases slips at lots of marinas and you're going to have a a bigger, you know, higher parking demand for um a marina that uh rents some of their slips to a boat rental. Well, there's no slips to rent because they're all sold. So,
correct. At your at your specific property as a stand. So, I'm kind of thinking future down the road. So again, I think if we added provisions for that stuff to safeguard us for future development that it wouldn't impact you what you want to do now, but again, we'd have the safeguards in place for down the road. Um, so
and incidentally, we don't allow charter boats either, right? You don't, but like you said, in the future. So I don't know if if Troy and Jay, if you guys could look into some of those provisions um because I would like to see this tighten up a little bit for again, not for your
property specific. Um, but just as a whole, so we're protected down the road. And I I think some of these additions wouldn't impact what you want to do. And depending on what they were, I don't know if they could be added a second reading or if we would have to do a first reading again. But again, I think that's another way to make sure we have
the provisions in um the code for all of the properties that this potentially um could affect. Well, thank you for your consideration. Yeah. Thank you. Um, I think that was all my comments.
So, I would I would like that to see that. I mean, I I I can't progress as is, but I think if we add those, it would not impact them and and maybe it's something that could be added at second reading. I mean, if they added a couple things like spaces for liboards, space for boat rental facilities, would that
have to be another first reading or would that could that just be um changed for second reading? In my opinion, looking at how this title was prepared, um, compared to the comments that were just made, I I think the title of the
ordinance will have to be revised, which would require a a redo on first reading. Uh, this that's too many. You're making too many substantive changes to the parking code than just changing a number. Um,
which gets me to the last comment I wanted just to remind the council. This is again a privately submitted application. It's been deemed to be a complete application. The applicant has the right to have it processed as submitted. If we're going to um
look to do this deeper dive into the parking code for marinas, I I would want the applicant to uh either be in agreement with doing that at this point because again, they have the right to have it processed. Uh but and this is
going to take this is going to slow the process down a little bit. So I would be looking for um agreement from the applicant um along those lines. So is there otherwise I would my advice to the
council would be to make a motion and vote on first reading based on what's been submitted tonight. Okay. Thank you. Uh would you guys like to take public comment first besides uh before we decide what we'd like to do? Yes. Any comment cards? Yes, we have three
comment cards. First is Heidi Perry. Hi, good evening council. Uh my name's Heidi Perry. I live at 12 Shady Lane. Um I did email you guys, but it was a little late. Um so I don't know if you had a chance to look at it but um
basically um my understanding is we could and it was actually in their presentation that we could allow our village code does allow uh them to request a reduction of parking on their site. Um it said it was 78707B4
on their um presentation. Um, yeah. Again, I basically what uh Lori Brandon said, I agree with. I'm have concerns if we're changing the village code and I understand we don't have any other marinas active right now, but with
all the development and things changing. Um, I would like to make sure that we protect our village for the future. Um, and yes, comparing the parking to the other uh areas, you know, Martin County, there's the marinas that we've kept our
boats at right up the road, and parking is always an issue when we take our boat out. Um, half the time we have to valet, which I can sure you can imagine with children and a boat and fishing poles, it's a pain. Um but yes um I I don't see
why we have to change our code and if we do have to change our code I hope that we do it very responsibly um and not just um uh but also I did I I don't have any issue with Jib Club making the renovations. Um I agree I've also been
to Jib Club and um them adding a second story I don't think would is be an issue at all. Um my issue is with us changing the whole code and making sure that we uh make the best choices for going forward. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you Marica Perry. Um Marissa Perry, I live in the country club. Um before I get started, I would like to know why the parking nonconformity is would is not would not
be okay. Um and so we have can't let that slide. Um but we seem happy to gloss over the fact that we've got an open space non-conformity here. Um I think that's a problem and I think it needs to be addressed. Um I support the applicant's proposed improvements to his building. Um, but those improvements do
not require a code change and because you a change would be highly detrimental to the village, you should not entertain a decrease in the code's parking requirements. As an alternate on the planning and zoning board who is at the August meeting, I was it was surprising to me to read the memo for this meeting that the village attorney believes that
quote the proposed building is not able to be approved due to the existing parking shortage. End quote. Because that is not the legal advice that the LPA was given. We had legal counsel at that meeting and it was not stated the LPA had to approve the code change in order to approve the building
improvements. To the contrary, the board approved the site plan change before considering the code change, which strongly implies that there was no legal impediment to approving the site plan with multiple legal legal nonconformities. By the applicant's own admission and the
backup, the code change is unnecessary. Their representative wrote that quote, "While the site is deficient in parking based on code requirements, this village's zoning code through section 78707B4 does allow the ability to request a reduction in the number of on-site required on-site parking spaces." End
quote. Even if the village attorney currently maintains that the parking legal nonconformity cannot be left as is, 707B4 is the way you should make it possible for the building to be improved without changing the code. Please note that there is is also another similar
non-conformity on this pro property, the open space requirement, and we don't have similar advice saying that that has to be fixed or that that's an obstacle to to this improvement. And of course, variance is also another option. There is significant risk in making a code change here because we do have a parking
issue on Barrier Island and this proposal is liable to make that situation even worse. There is no evidence in the record to show that relaxing the parking requirements for marinas would not pose a serious problem if a marina went in on another property in R2 or R3. The numbers that are in the
current proposal are based on nothing other than what surrounding municipalities with very different characteristics have done and they're not even consistent with that. This proposal would take sequester to below the most obvious comparison which is Jupiter where there's one p place one
space per slip um and and also take us below uninccorporated Palm Beach County which is of course right next to us where there's also one p place per slip. Our current code is hardly an outlier in that context given our much smaller footprint. In any event, the standard is
not what other towns do, but what our residents want. And our residents have repeatedly opposed changes to the code that would result in bigger structures. And this may this is very important. This is not an equitable change um because the equity equities also involve
the interests of residents. Um so given what we do know, this is proposal is highly problematic because we know we have a parking problem in R3. Parking is a critical means for the village to contain overdevelopment and this is the top priority for village residents. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you. Jessica Nameoth. Hi, Jessica Nameoth, 20 Shady Lane. Um, and I also lived for 5 years in the Jupiter Inlet Colony. I've filled my boats up at Jim Club my whole life basically. So, this um and I had a few
emails that I received from residents that were concerned about this and I happened to be signed up for the Thousand Friends of Florida's legislative delegation prep on SB 180, which some of you guys might have heard of and you're welcome to this. I'm happy
to leave, but um this rung every bell kind of concern for me for much the same reasons that were pointing out nothing to do with Jib Club. And unfortunately, when they gave their application or their presentation last year, that was before this legislative session that
just passed this bill that's retroactive to August and enacted until 2027. And so we are not allowed to make any changes more restrictive for development per this SB80 emergencies bill because
the entire state of Florida fell within the 100 mile zone of hurricanes and storms last year. That's it's retroactively affecting all of us. So, if we were to change something and make it less restrictive, which we've been highly advised against doing by Thousand
Friends of Florida and the organizations that are working with local municipalities, we would not be able to change it back until 2027. And so, I would really urge us to be cautious. if there is a way of just
doing something for just their property, that would be, you know, something I would really encourage us to pursue because if we're changing it, it's certainly not theirs. It's the other potential properties that could um create marinas or we could, you know,
have changes to things and we have all the other laws that we're working against, you know, trying that make things difficult for us. So I think that um I would really uh like to see it done in a way that does not make it less
restrictive for which we cannot go back. We won't we won't be able to change it. And so um again I'm happy to leave any of this. There's the legal analysis. There's the bill itself, you know, um and we're going to the legislative delegation. I'm signed up. uh you know
many people are going to try to repeal section 18 and 28 specifically out of SB80 um which takes away our control um of making a lot of decisions. So we're very much cautioned to change against changing anything right now especially
less restrictively because we're legally not allowed to make it more restrictive until 2027. So please find another way instead of the whole zone. Thank you. Thank you, Jessica. Mary, any other part? No other.
No. Any other public comment? Okay. Um I was I'm discouraged that the parking reduction option didn't come up at the conceptual plan cuz you could have done a study last season. Um, but I my position is I would I know that it
would um push push everything until November, but I would really like to see just a little sharper eye on this ZTA and account for some of those uses that could potentially happen and be developed down the road that don't seem
like they would impact this specific property and what they would do right now. Um but again say if we're changing for the for every applicable zone um or applicable property I think we really need to make sure we cover our bases. Um and I from experience every single
Marina is just um really really bad parking and yeah Council Member Brand knows too cuz her husband's in that industry. So we just need to be smart about it. So that would push it to November. I don't know if that would be um a big issue for the applicant to to have it just have those things looked
at, possibly revise it. That's that's my um my thoughts. I don't know what council thinks about that. So, I think you're saying you're pushing because we're going to have to talk about anything new in October and then first hearing November and then second
hearing December. No, it would be we would have to have a second first reading in October because between now and then they could make some of those like take a sharper eye pencil and make some of those updates. It would be a second first reading in October and then
um final in November. Is that correct? That would be the that would be a reasonable uh time frame if that if that's the path we take the applicant takes. Don't follow we still vote on the first hearing this evening. We would have to vote on it still. Yeah. any other official details can be
brought to us in a different presentation and we can go from there because we don't have all the information out. We don't like for me it would be I would vote no to this knowing that a second reading with revisions would be brought back to us. I think right we would
Is that how that would work? Yes. Jay, any input? Would wouldn't they defer it tonight so that we could bring back a new a new ordinance on first reading? Would that be the the best? Again, as I said earlier, I would I would want um
consent from the applicant to postpone any action tonight because uh we have a complete council has a complete application before it for the text amendment. The applicant has a right to have that process. of if we're going to continue
uh uh I I would want uh acquiescence from the applicant on that. Otherwise, again, my advice to the council would be to proceed. What are council thoughts though? I I want to see what council thinks. I feel comfortable with tonight's first hearing. I think it's a good point. Um we have some partners here since 1960.
Um I'd like to continue the process and if something is new brought up for the second hearing, then that's one thing. But for tonight, I still support the first hearing. You want me to go? Sure. Sorry. That's right. So, I agree with mayor. The fact that
all this time has passed since conceptual and this hasn't come up. That makes me also wonder why cuz that could have saved time. I really don't want to draw this out for the applicant and I absolutely support them adding on their second office space. Um, I haven't
heard anyone object to that. It just sounds like we're kind of maybe disagreeing here and there on how you get your parking reduction to become legal conforming. And I just want you guys to to know that no one is objecting you guys growing. It's just that parking
getting to that parking reduction. How do we do that? And just right now it sounds like council is not in agreeance. Um I can go either way. I mean obviously I've been very vocal. I would much rather see us go a different route to give you the parking reduction rather than a text amendment.
So, I would probably not be in favor of that tonight. Um, but I'm absolutely looking at other ways to get you that so you guys can expand to your office space. I just want to clarify the parking reduction was brought up at conceptual and at that time I don't know what the I
can't remember what the consensus of the board is but that they chose the path of the zoning text amendment. Okay. Yeah. I I would agree. I mean, I as is always the case, I hear a lot up here that, you know, it's always good education. Um, and I would 100% agree
that I don't, no one objects to what you're doing on on the site at all. Um, if it's not going to place a massive burden on the applicant to whether it's a defer or if you have to vote, that's obviously up to the applicant. Um, I think it would be nice to to fully vet
this before we make a final decision. So, um I I guess with that I would probably be in favor of waiting and and learning as much as we can between now and October. But as far as whether we defer it or we vote, I guess if I'm hearing um Keith
correctly, that's really up to the applicant. Correct. They would need to make that decision and consent. At the end of the day, it's the council's decision. But but if they do process consideration, I would like uh that would be my my my ask. Okay,
vice mayor u we'll we'll go ahead and defer. I guess we'll work with staff and we'll look at all the different scenarios. U I guess there's three different ways to look at this thing. Again, we weren't trying to sidestep anything. Uh our opinion, I guess, differs a little bit. You know, we wanted to do a text amendment. Um you know, because markets
change, you know, industry changes. Like I said, the 10% boat, you know, usage, that's a big deal. A lot of marinas, we do a lot of these um in in Martin County, Palm Beach County, both. So, we just thought that the text was the cleanest, most equable way for, you know, for for the
for the village and for future users. But we'll work with staff. We'll take a month and look at all the different options and see, I guess, if there's another way that works for everybody. I want to be clear. I have no no issues with the process that you guys went
through and the ZTA truly and I I have no issues with what you want to do with your property. It is like when it is a ZTA unfortunately since it impacts everything like we just need to make sure it's right. Like to me that's why I'd be a lot more comfortable if maybe just look at maybe more areas around the state and just just make sure there's
something in there for liboards if there's boat rental like a boat club on site just have those other provisions that won't impact them but know will be protected long term for future potential future development but you're I you you did the right process and I I don't take I personally do not take issue to the
process that you you went through. Just want to have that on record. Um thank you um and to the applicant. Thank you very much. I'm very sympathetic to this seems like it's gone on forever um for my three years up here. So So but thank you very much. But
as has as been expressed, I I too I want to make this work for you but protect the integrity of the R2 and the R3. And even though I feel comfortable because it carves out marinas, as the mayor and other my colleagues have said, it could
happen somewhere else. So if you're agreeable to a 30 days, we may end up voting on the same thing next month as we're could have voted on this evening, but at least we can say that we gave it the old college try and it exhausted all the resources. So Detroit, the applicant, Jay and our planning department, thank you very much for
listening. We want to make this work. We there's not a concern with the intent. I believe what's going to happen for the next 66 years because you look like a young scry fella and you're going to be running that thing for a long time. Um so thank you very much for that. But it's unfortunate. I'm very sympathetic to the PO, but thank you for the
deferment. Um, and again, we may be voting on the same thing next month and then we'll have to see where it goes. But, um, I think I want to get this done, but I also want to make sure we get done and protect the integrity of the code because there are concerns with that villagewide and we've heard some of those concerns this evening. So, thank
you very much. Thank you. So, are we we're deferring then we don't have to vote since the applicant was okay with that? Uh, I would like a motion to um continue first reading to your next council meeting based on the discussion that was had tonight.
Is there a motion to continue first reading in our October council meeting? I will make a motion to continue first reading into our October meeting. Second. All in favor? I Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you guys. All right, moving on. Agenda item 16. Consider use of our asset forfeiture phones for the purchase and installation of security cameras at Remembrance Park and Station 11 as well as fiber optic
cable. Good evening, mayor. Before you, you have for your consideration, as you stated, to allow us to use asset forfeertures, which we have checked with our attorney, and it is a permissible use in order to put cameras at station
11 as well as Remembrance Park, uh, run fiber optic and electrical cables into the station, as well as furniture and equipment to be able to utilize station 11 for training as well as community events and community trainings. Council, any comments or questions?
I have none. No, I support security. Yeah, absolutely. Yes. Thank you. I have not. Sorry. Thank you for uh finding a a good way to to use these funds. I know we're pretty it's pretty restricted, but we can use them on. So, I I appreciate you guys finding ways to use that money when we
can. Any public comment cards? Nope. Any public comment? Make a motion. So, move. Second. All in favor? Thank you. Item 17, consider approval of approval of fiber optic cable and camera
installation for station 11 and members. And Jeremy, maybe you can explain to you like how these two are linked cuz it's a bit confusing. They are linked. Uh this is really the first part of the two or the second part of the two depending on how you look at it. But um the project is to run fiber
from to station 11. And then additionally we will run to uh remembrance park so we can put some security cameras out there for you know safety of of the park and the village and the and the residents. And so the the reason why there is two agenda items
is we had to specifically um have an approval for the forfeiture funds that was separate from this but it was also part of this. So there was a $53,000 expenditure from that forefeiter fund for this or 52582.
Um and so this is the approval for the whole project and it's broken up um by your funding sources, your building fund, the police and general fund. And so with that um that's the that would be what you're approving is for us to uh run fiber and install security cameras
at the park. Thank you. Council, any comments or questions? I have none. Thank you. Comment cards. Any public comment? Can I get a motion? So moved. Second. All in favor? I.
Agenda item 18. Consider approval of a a piggyback agreement for purchase of water, sewer, and irrigation materials. Hello. Um, mayor, vice mayor, and council. Alison Felsburg, utilities deputy director. Um before you tonight is uh consideration of an agreement to
purchase water, sewer, irrigation materials through a piggyback from Broward County with consolidated pipe supply. And this is just for the procurement of water meter fittings and various pipe material for repairs and small projects. The annual spend on this is about $50,000 a year.
Thank you, council. Any comments or questions? No. None. Thank you. Any public comment cards? Any public comment? Can I get a motion? So moved. Second. All in favor? I. Right. Agenda item 19, consider approval of H2O
H2O innovation for reverse osmosis membrane replacement at our water treatment facility. Yes. Um again, Alison Fber, utilities deputy director. Um before you tonight is a um contract with H2O Innovation and an amount not to exceed $996,14.
And this is for the replacement in all three trains at our water treatment plant. Um this project was originally designed to replace the membranes in one train with an um ad alternate for replacement in trains one and three. Um at the
at the um March workshop that we had on our current stance with our um financials. We have caught up and we um did recommend proceeding on a cash basis to replace the membranes in all three trains. this will provide the better pricing because we're placing them all
at the same time and by the same um contractor. And so um we did receive two bids on May 27th, 2025 or sorry that's when it was bid. We received those on August 14, 2025 and the lowest bid was with H2O innovation. We did complete
full reference check um and then all the assisting documents are provided in the agenda item. Thank you. No comments. I just want to say I appreciate the engineer comment on that because I know it's only two proposals but that it was a very it's a very good niche like um I
guess uh scope and one of the top people was not able to bid for workload. So I I really appreciate that transparency. Thank you for putting that on there. Agreed. Any comment cards? Nope. Any public comment? Can I get a motion? So moved.
Second. All in favor? I. Agenda item 20, consider approval to support a local bill for transfer of um the Questa Park from the state to us. Uh thank you, mayor. The this is a agenda item to uh hopefully propose the
state's local bill um to transfer the Questa Park. As you guys know, Toquesta Park has been a you know, a difficult situation in that, you know, it's hard for us to invest money in the park that we don't own that we manage that's owned by the state. is in Martin County and
and maintained by the village. So, um working with our consultant who has some experience with local bills like this from the state, u we thought this would be the best approach to hopefully the village would be able to own this property ultimately and then that would
allow us to make investments in the future. We have no planned uh you know investments other than you know trying to work on the the master plan. Um but we don't have any fun funds set aside to do anything. We hope that this is a, you know, a a good avenue for us for Tquesta
Park, which is, you know, been a very challenging situation going back many years. So, we provide a history. We have the local bill in here. I know the mayor and I and Ken Puit, our consultant, have talked to a couple of our legislators. They uh are considering sponsoring it um
sponsoring the local bill. we will have to go to the local delegations in Martin County and Palm Beach County um and then you know move forward through the committee process. Um so this is really just the first step. We do need a resolution from the council in support of this and then we have some other um
checkbox items that we have to do to make make this a reality and get it to at least the the consideration stage. Thank you. Council, any comments or questions? None. I love it. Yeah. Great. So, the resolution will be brought next month that gets approved.
Or wait, is the resolution on here? I'm sorry. Yeah, the resolution's on here. It's already on here. Yep. Is it the Well, you guys are just approving your support for the local bill. It wasn't a resolution. I'm sorry. We need to do a resolution. Um
because I know there there's a lot of technicalities with what we have to do. No, we just need a we'll just need a a support a signifying support so we can write a letter memorializing that you guys support it through a motion because we do need to have a motion here that you guys are supporting this local bill.
Okay. Yeah. So, no resolution. Um and I I asked a question that the lobbyist looked into cuz I'm like well um if say this would work out and we property I was like it's technically Martin County so we have to pay property taxes Martin
County and they said well I mean right it's like well wait a second it's not going to be in our municipal boundaries and no we would not have to pay tax there would be no taxes um paid for that property so it's an expense that we would not incur because that was like my radar went off of that Yeah. So, mayor, can I ask a question?
Yeah. Of the 41 acres, I mean, is that all just the park area or is there any of the natural scrub like to the north of it or is it just the actual park as it sits today? Well, in the park there's natural scrub. So, I I So, how far like what is the m what do
we currently maintain that scrub? Is there anything? Anything in the park boundary? We um I can get bring up a picture of it. I mean, trail around Okay. Yeah. Just, you know, follow up to that. Does
the state at this point do any maintenance on that that we would things that we haven't been doing and that we would the current agreement uh puts the burden to do maintenance on the village. So the only thing I would add to that so
that is 100% correct from since 1967. And however, we have put in for a grant to um with the state to do to clean some some of that scrub up that we have to remove some of that invasive. Um we we got word that they're still considering
some of the larger projects. Ours is smaller, so if they don't use all the money, they will do it, but it's just remove the invasive. Give me a second. I'll see if I can find what I was looking for. I usually have this saved. So there's I know there's a map somewhere.
Oh yeah. Are you Is that Oh, yeah. I think it still shows up on Palm Beach County, but doesn't it? No. Cuts off right on it. Simple. If I remember.
I have a map in my office. The meets and bounds legal description in the local bill matches the legal description in the our lease agreement with the state. So So no new property area correct
what we're currently maintaining. Okay. I'm not sure what but I don't know we're in the schedule. I have to show you but we have 41 acres. I mean, if you look at our like our master plan, like you have like the ball fields and all that and then it's
surrounded by scrub. I mean, it's a box and we have our three wells that's on that property as well. So, uh we only keep up with what's in that 41 acres. Um and it's, you know, I mean, it's pretty distinct. We don't do a lot with the scrub on the outside and we haven't
really done it's been pretty natural through the whole process. So, thank you. Okay. Any other comments? No. Thank you. All right. Any comment cards? No. Any public comment, Mrs. Neoth? Yes. Hello. Um, so I've Jessica Neoth,
20 Shady Lane. Quester Park was our park growing up. We didn't have Constitution Park. Um, so I of course feel like that is ours and you know um should be you know but I I think that I've also sat through a variety of different council
members and different councils and heard different ideas for what people do and don't think uh we should have there. And so, um, you know, I was looking trying to find the original property deed for that to see what the property deed designation was, the use between the
Quantis Club and 56. They don't even have the records. You have to go to like the historic archives to find that in Martin County. Um, but I would be curious to see what that is. And I would certainly hope that moving forward um we
would not be looking to have another kind of Jupiter community park or you know uh sporting destination which the residents have come out and forced time and time again to express we're not interested in having inquesta but um you know would really make sure that it's
for our local community you know recreational use where we all feel comfortable letting our kids bike there go do the things that we've always done And um just as an aside, I guess I was curious if we though would still be bound to Martin County's land zoning. Um
I'm a witness in a federal trial down in the Everglades where the property is owned by Miami Dade County in Kier County. State has seized it. When you have I I can't tell you how many times I've thought of Quester Park when people say, "When do you ever have a county
that owns something in another county?" So to your point um this this is an an interesting situation but I would just be curious what the um you know if we are held to their zoning you know and land use then because we would you know
how does that work exactly I guess as a resident I would be curious um you know if we have our own control over the property or if we would be then bound by Martin counties you know so uh anyway I Love the park though and I certainly
would like to see it in the best use for the village only us village residents you know and with with what leases and and use the ball fields get but nothing for expansion purposes that's all. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I know I think we we are
bound like parking requirements that kind of stuff for the park. We are bound to their code. Uh but there is a provision in this local bill that it has to remain a park. If we can't change it, if we were to, it automatically reverts back to the state. So, there's protections in place to make sure it remains a park.
There's this would not come under the village of Tquesta. Would that not be carved out and our property would then go up to that and it would be in the village of Tquesta? We're not Well, you can't annex across county lines. So, we're not annexing it. We It would This would simply change who
owns it. Okay. That's all that's changing. Not how it's used, not not how it's zoned, just who owns it. Okay. Awesome. Wow. Okay. Any other council comment? No, ma'am. No. Can I get a motion?
So moved. Second. Second. All in favor? I. I motion to approve. I didn't see that. Sorry. Motion to approve. Right. Is that So moved. Okay, we got it. Okay, moving on. Any other matters? Council, anything else
for tonight? No, thank you, mayor. I have no I I want to bring up Paradise Park real quick. I know since the last workshop, uh we received our appraisal for 8.45 mil, which is a little bit less than what the property owner had, but not
much. And um I I just want to say if that shared parking issue does not go away, I to me I don't want to move forward. There's no reason to workshop it again. So, has the park shared parking issue gone away? Do we feel like there's potential for it to go away?
I mean, it's a legal binding agreement. It's not going away. I mean, to my knowledge. I mean, unless the the two owners of the property work in agreement, but right now it's a legally binding agreement. So, there's still same parking agreement that we brought up last time that the owner of the
Paradise Park parcels will have to buy or provide parking for Topper Fitness to bring them into compliance when they develop. So, you're talking somewhere between 40 and 70 spaces will have to be given to that property owner. That is a legally binding agreement from
everything we've seen. Um, I mean, it wasn't filed with the court, but I mean, we've seen it. So, we know it's a it's there. And so, I mean, it doesn't go away unless those two owners agree to, you know, some kind of but then whoever would develop would put that topper
fitness in legal non-conforming compliance. So, and you typically don't want to do that. So, there's a I mean there's a lot to be desired. So, yeah. So, I I mean I I was clear at the workshop that I don't think it's a wise financial investment of taxpayer dollars
when a whole parcel is going to go to uses for adjacent private property owners. So, with that, like I I don't see a need to workshop it again. That's my opinion, but I would like to see what you guys think if we want to just um if we still want to talk about it or if we just want to not move forward unless any
miracles happen with the shared parking agreement. I agree. I'm not interested in the proposal as it is with the shared parking agreement and the price. So, I don't think we need I I personally don't need a workshop for it anymore. Yeah, I mean I I agree. I guess the only
thing that keeps me hanging on to it at all is just how, you know, I don't know what the right word is, but this the property and, you know, there's a lot of opinions about this property and what should happen with it or should not happen with it
from residences, which I totally agree with because it's a very significant property. And um I guess there's that part of me that still would love residents to have the ultimate say on what happens. But that could and ultimately if you know my
understanding is we did if it did move to referendum and let's say hypothetically it did get voted yes. There's really no there's no requirement for us to really do anything at that point if we decide
it it it's it's not a good idea, but that seems like a a massive waste of time and resources and money as well. So, um, as it stands, I agree. It It doesn't seem like a financially wise decision,
but I I also like kind of hate to strip that from our residents to even have the ability to have a say with it. So, that's that's the struggle I have. I agree with you. It's I mean, we want our residents to always have a say, but I think we're also putting these seeds to make educated. We know a lot more. I mean, we're we're
limited on what we can what info we can put out there because of state law when it comes to referendums. And I would worry that a lot of residents might not understand the nitty-gritty that you're actually going to pay for a full parking lot for adjacent property owners and then what can we even develop at that
point on the property? That's the other thing. I think that I mean the referendum language would obviously have to completely change and it would be extremely general. I think that's all we could say is like we're going to buy this piece of property. We don't really know what we're going to do with it, but cuz right now it's or up until we knew about these parking um
restrictions or parking agreements, we had a pretty decent idea of what we were going to do with it. Oh, I was excited about that. Yeah. And now we can't really put out anything other than something super general in nature. And um
yeah, it's tough. So, I'm going to say yes to putting it on a workshop one more time. And it might be a quicker conversation, but I say that and I'm going to be careful what I say now because this isn't an agenda item. So, I don't want to get into a full discussion. I am trying to be I've never said that
we should buy it or shouldn't buy it for the record, but I'm trying to be very careful with being super transparent to the residents because there have been things in the past, not with this council even I mean even 20 years ago that weren't transparent and they're still upset about it. So, out of
fairness, and thank you for saying that number, cuz I've been kind of waiting for that appraisal number to become public. And out of fairness to the residents, it hasn't even been put on an agenda like officially as public notice that this is what ours was cuz that was the missing piece we had. And then if we
could just put it on a workshop agenda out of fairness to them, so it we can say to them, oh, we didn't just randomly quickly decide it out of any other matters and you guys all missed it. It was on an agenda, publicly noticed. So that covers our end for the process. And
again, it could be a quick conversation, but at least out of fairness, it's on an agenda and they've been it's been posted. We addressed it. It was publicly put out the numbers, all of our pieces, all of our backup. So again, whether it's us sitting up here or not in the
future, there's answers for residents whenever they come back and say, "Why was this not done? Why were we not asked?" there's answers to answer those back and we still hear about US1 and I just bring that up too because that was a non-transparent kind of moment. So I'm
just trying to be super careful with making sure we really be super transparent and go through our process. So I would actually be favor of a workshop. Again, it could be a very quicker conversation. I don't expect to be two hours. Um but I would like it to be publicly posted so that
way residents have a chance last time. Yeah. Go ahead. No, I said just one last time for them. I agree with you. Um, council council um council person, Miss Brandon, Mrs. Brandon. Um, I I
agree with that to give the public properly noticed opportunity. I do agree with you. It may be a very quick conversation, but there would public comment that people have the ability to come to in addition to the com the things that have been stated. Um, I think part of our job is to not only make decisions in the here and now, but
also look forward based on what may possibly come. And I know it's a silver ball, but if you listen at the state level in some form or fashion before there's a transition at state leadership, at the governor's level, um, there will be some type of language that
will be floated to repeal, cut back, lessen, do something to state taxes, property taxes. Um I don't I that scares me uh because number one um it's how we run our
village municipality. Number two it will put 100% of the burden or more an increased burden on commercial properties and why a commercial building is treated differently than if a mom and pop business own a commercial building why is that treated differently than their primary residents? You know that's
how we don't have big business until little businesses grow. And you know there I I was listening to some people today in the at the local level. When I say local Palm Beach County there is a movement to try to get a homestead type exemption on a commercial property
defined for small businesses. Who knows if we'll move forward but it's a good point that it would disproportionately impact anybody of our commercial buildings folks. Um, and it just scares me to death to take something off the tax role that when we could suffer some type of setback in our collection of of
real estate homestead, you know, our our real estate residential uh taxes. Um, until we see what how that looks, um, I at least now we're collecting $65,000 a year in taxes. Um, this goes to zero. Yeah.
In March or whatever that timeline would be. And I just think there's so just from that issue alone, the discussion of repealing some type of property tax that is going to impact our budget could impact us tremendously and disproportionately push it to the
commercial market in this community. Um, and I don't think that's fair and equitable and I would hate to see us lose real estate tax income and take something off the roll. Perhaps, you know, we there's a comp plan, right? the master plan, a comp plan. There's all these plans and cheretses and about a
mixeduse parcel and I would probably think that we'd have to change the use to green space or open space for to for the benefit of the village to make it a park. Um, that looks like we're doing things to make it good for us. Uh but I
I just have concerns um about for not only the public input um but for what that partial can be because there's only two major partials that add any type of significant tax revenue to be developed in this village. And yeah, I agree, Miss Brandon, that we should
publicly notice it. It may be a very quick meeting after public comment. Uh but I think that is you are 100% correct in saying that's the right thing to do. Yeah. It just terrifies me if we don't do that. Yeah. No, you you made a great point. I very much appreciate you bringing that up and I fully agree because I've been waiting for that appraisal number.45
mil. No, I I really appreciate those points. I totally agree. Um but it's going to be a very short discussion for me. No, I absolutely agree. Absolutely the right thing to do. Are we able to put on a normal meeting for agenda instead of a workshop? It's kind
I don't think we need to bring that to a formal meeting of both. Do we talked about it via workshop? We usually don't have to do that. Well, it depends on what the contemplated action is. Yeah, I think it was consensus if council wanted to go to a referendum.
I think that was the original. So, we don't we don't have to vote. Well, if if you're going to proceed, then you're going to have resolutions and and other formal documents that you have to approve. So, after that send that would send it to referendum.
Yeah. Yeah. And and if I I can't remember, but it's my understanding that it was possible not every council member could be at the next workshop. If that's the case, I'm fully in favor of moving it or doing whatever we have to do. I think it's important we're all there. Um and I might be wrong on that. I I I likely will not be at the next
workshop, but I I I can send in a statement to the manager. Okay. Well, that's up to you. That right. Yeah. If you're I just think everyone should have the opportunity to be there. So, if we had to move the date, if you're okay not being there, that's a whole different story. But I'm fine trying to make it work for other people's schedules if you did want to be there or
whoever else might not be able to make it. Like I said, if something major changes between now and then, but if it's the same, I I'll I'll send in a statement for record. Okay. Good. Glad we talked about this. Thank you for the discussion. Yeah. All right. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? So moved.
Second. All in favor? I think neck one. Thank you, Jeremy. I apologize for the bad spin. Jake, I saw that. I was going to get array kids, okay? And I try to hide things, but they always seem the same.
Wait, did you ever buy a high chair or No, but I always