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regulation. Good evening everybody. Welcome to the city of Titusville City Council regular meeting scheduled June 9th, 2026 at 6:30. And call this meeting to order. For our invocation, we will have Chaplain Brienne Robertson from Titusville Police. Titusville Fire

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Department. My apologies. If you bow your heads with me, please. >> Heavenly Father, we thank you that you are great in power. We thank you that everything in heaven and on earth belong to you. We thank you that riches and might come from you and from your hand.

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We thank you that you grant strength and courage to those who call on you. Father, nothing is too small for you. Nothing escapes you. Nothing is too big and too impossible for you. We thank you that you are sovereign in all things. Father, I ask that you will grant every

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leader in this room, every member, every community person, citizen wisdom and discernment. Father, may you cover this room with your peace. God, may you hear the uh cries of our heart. May you hear the praises of our tongues and we want

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to give you credit for everything that's going on. Father, our desire is that you cover our city with your protection and your favor. And we ask that we are a people who recognizes that you are God and God alone. So tonight as we conduct this meeting, we give you praise. We

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give you honor in all things in your son's name. Amen. >> Amen. Thank you very much. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nation under God

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indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you very much. Can I have a motion to approve the minutes? >> So moved. >> Have a motion by member Nelson. >> Second. >> Second by member Mscoso. Any discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Any

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opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Now, there are two items on the agenda tonight that are both requesting a continuence. Um 9 C and 9D uh conditional use permit number 6-2025

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River Palms 2. Um if it be up to the discretion of council if want to move that to the front, get the it off our docket and continue with our meeting. Member Nelson. Uh, that makes sense. So, I'd move to move

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9 C and D to the front. >> There's a motion by member Nelson. >> Second. >> Second by member Stokel. Any discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously.

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All right. U city manager, we're on 9C. >> Yes, sir. 9C is a conditional use permit CP number 6-2025 River Palms 2 and Brad Parish is here to answer any questions and we need to open

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up the hearing. >> Before I begin, the applicant has asked for this application to be continued to the August 25th meeting pending additional information they would like to provide to city council for their consideration. >> Thank you very much, Mr. repairs, city

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attorney. >> All right. Any cards on this issue >> on item >> 9C? >> Okay. Yes, we have Lisa Tolen. >> Good evening. I'm My name is Lisa Toland. My address is 4092 Sparrowhawk

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Road, Melbourne, Florida. I'm with Tolen Environmental Consulting. I was asked today by Kim Rzanka who is the attorney representing the project to come and ask for the continuence. Unfortunately, she had a very severe family emergency at the last minute and she could not attend. But basically we are asking for

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the continuence of the item to the August 25th uh me uh regular meeting uh so that we can uh conduct additional seaggrass surveys because there was some confusion out of the PNC board meeting and uh I think there were some other issues that needed to be addressed

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regarding the site plan and so we wanted to have the opportunity to do the seaggrass surveys as the growing season is just opening up and we'll peak probably you know beginning of July of July and then we'll have the data back for you in August. Thank you very much, city clerk. Any other cards?

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>> No, sir. >> All right. Thank you. Member Nelson. >> So, I'd move to table this item to August 25th. >> Second. >> I have a motion by member Nelson, a second by member Stokel. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I.

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>> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. City manager. On to 9D. >> Yes, sir. 9D is a conditional use permit number 9-2025 parcel ID number 21-35-28-00-279

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and the recommended action is to request is a request for a conditional use permit to allow a convenience store at that parcel within the commercial community commercial CC zoning district. >> So this meeting or sorry this agenda

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item was brought before planning and zoning commission. They uh also received a request to continue it. It was the PNZ continued this hearing their hearing to June 61 17th and the that would mean this item before you tonight. Uh the

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applicant would is requesting it be tabled to your or continue to your next regular meeting which would be July 14th. >> Thank you, Mr. Parish. City attorney. >> Your lights on. >> Oh, it sorry.

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>> Oh, somebody else's lights on. It was someone else's. >> All right. >> City manager. >> Ah, that's gonna get confusing. >> All right. I'll have to distinguish which city attorney's uh which one of you. But is the city clerk are there any cards on this? >> Uh Kyle Shastain.

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Good evening. Kyle Shastine, 4450 Wes Galli Boulevard. I'm with Bowman Engineering. I was asked by Kim Rosanka to attend tonight. Uh she had a family emergency. Um our team is requesting the continuence because we're still working on the site plan. We've made a couple changes since the last one submitted and

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we just want to make sure that it aligns with uh staff before moving forward through this process. >> Thank you very much, city clerk. Are there any other cards? >> All right. Thank you. >> Member Nelson. >> Move to continue table this to July 14th

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meeting. Second motion by member Nelson to continue this to July 14th and a second by member Muscoso. Is there any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously.

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Thank you very much, Mr. City Manager. You're up. >> Yes, sir. Uh, next item is item five, special recognitions and presentations, and it is the urban forestry management plan. And we have a representative from Eiosen Environmental Group will give a

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presentation on the urban forestry management plan. And no action is requested at this meeting. We'll come back at a later meeting for council consideration of adoption. All right. Am I all right technology-wise? The plan's up there. Great. Well, thank you guys for having

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me. I will try to make this brief because I know you have a ton on your agenda. So, um, anyways, I want to thank you again. We've been working on this plan for gosh over a year now with input from the community, volunteers, the TEC,

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city staff. Um, and as you know, it was funded through a partnership, right? Grant money between the city and the state of Florida um urban community forestry grant. So tonight, I will walk through what we found, um, what the residents told us as well and how the

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plan is structured and what would happen next. So, first up, and I always apologize when I come to this because your screens are small, so hopefully you guys can read this. Um, but essentially what is in the

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plan, the city of Titusville already has a pretty solid foundation. You guys have been a tree city for over 25 years. Um, you have the active trust fund, you have an ordinance, you have some really engaged volunteers, um, who did not miss a seat single meeting or event I came

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to, which is so appreciative. Um, what really has been missing from kind of my initial review was this coordinated framework that connects all these commitments and this foundation to measurable outcomes. So, that's what we attempted to provide in this plan. Um,

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and just so we know when we're talking about urban forestry, uh, sometimes it's a little bit of a buzzword, but what it really means is we're talking about all the trees. So, not just the trees the city controls, not just trees and parks. Um, it also covers all your public and private trees, right? So, trees that are

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in people's backyards, um, throughout the whole entire city. And we're looking at a pretty long-term 20-year horizon. So, it's built around what residents told us actually mattered to them. So, so one of the big things you do um

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is see how our urban forestry goals align with existing city plans. And so we do kind of a needs and gaps assessment on that. And we had really good alignment overall um specifically with the sustainability action plan and

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the natural resources plan which essentially called for an urban forestry program. Um a couple of the other plans such as the CRA talked about street trees. The comp plans conservation element was a really close alignment as well. Um and then there were some things

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in the multimodal and storm water plans that really benefit from a lot of the actions that we're recommending in the urban forest management plan. Um and if you see the UFMP that is urban forest management plan. So making sure that we

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understand the intent is that this is not a new initiative that's going to compete with these other great city plans you have um and other priorities. it fills a gap that some of these existing plans have already identified. So, changing gears just a little. So,

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part of what we did was look at the canopy cover throughout the city. Um, and you guys have right now 44% canopy cover. Um, that's based on an aerial view, right? So, other things you might look at would be bare soil, impervious

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surfaces. Um, and that does not include the Indian River Lagoon. just that was we kind of cut that off right there. So that's actually a pretty strong position in Florida in my opinion um compared to other cities. We look at some of the benefits you get $6 million in annual

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ecosystem benefits and if anything these numbers that number specifically is conservative um because it's really just measuring these like carbon and storm water air pollution. And um so we're not talking about some of the less tangible value of

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of trees themselves. Um and then the 122 million is that carbon is that is stored in the trees throughout their lifetime. So not small numbers by any means. Um and they really for Titusville I think represent years of investment in public

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trees and years of investment in residents that take care of their own trees. Right. All right. So just because I said that 44 is pretty good percent, I don't want us to think that the city should be complacent

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because you have lost a significant statistically speaking a significant amount of tree canopy. So um a little over six percentage points in the last 13 years mainly driven by development and storms, right? And to the extent we

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can't really control storms. So that's just it's a primary driver. Um some conversion of the forested areas into lawns, buildings, roads. Um the other part we looked at was how much of the land currently is plantable. So

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where could you theoretically have a tree while cutting out areas that are water or occupied by a building or another tree is one foot away? And we still got 13%. So there is room to get your canopy back up closer to that 2010

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level. Um and out of that 13% when we analyze the size of those locations uh over half of them were able to support large canopy trees that really provide the most benefits to the city uh residents. That the millions that we

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were talking about that upping those numbers is important. Um, so the opportunity we have in Titusville to grow the canopy is real. The data tells that story. Real and measurable. All right. So, here's what we did for

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our engagement. Um, we started out with a community survey. Um, right when we did that was when you guys had a flood. So, we had a lower engagement level than we expected because people had other priorities. Completely understandable. Um, so that's why we ended up doing the

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flash vote poll which actually served to reinforce some of the findings in the survey. Um, and then in person we had a vision workshop where we developed in groups three different vision statements that went to a public vote. Um, we had

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an in-person SWAT which is strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, threats assessment. So inerson assessment of that. And then um on April 30th we had the public draft uh preview we'll call it with the TEC. And

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to note that at the TEC we had a couple of big takeaways that I think changed the plan for much the better um related to ordinance uh guidance and recommendations. um making sure that the timing of that was

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not necessarily a fixed thing, but taking into account that it can be difficult and timeconuming to get ordinances changed if that was to happen that it would have to be when the conditions in the community really supported it. Um not necessarily in a fixed timeline. Uh the other thing we

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changed were some species diversity threshold. They kind of moved more into a guidance realm and would be left for the city to set themselves. So there are benchmarks and we can say these are typical but the city can look at what they actually have and develop something

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unique to them. Um you can see that that 92% of people said trees are extremely or very important. I have done quite a few of these surveys. It's usually high. It's usually not in the 90s though. So that speaks onto itself that people are telling us that trees are important to

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them. Um not surprising the top benefit was related to storm water. Um, shade is usually number one given your location. I think that trade-off makes sense. Um, wildlife and pollinator support are usually pretty high as well. So, how we took that input and how it

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made it into the plan. Um, so basically the structure kind of comes directly from the engagement process. Uh so the community input really defined those three vision statements and the community chose the vision that resonated most of them um which then

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informed our guiding principles which then shaped our goals and drove the objectives. So every action you see in the implementation portion of the plan can be directly traced back to something that we received as input whether it was

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from a resident, a board member or city staff during this process. Um and I think why that's important that pathway matters because it actually reflects what is important to Titusville, what's happening here and your values. It's not

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just a industry best practice. it's grounded in them, but we don't take them just at face value. So, this was ultimately the vision statement, and I'll I'll read it just since um it can be hard to see, but to enhance and preserve a healthy urban

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forest through conservation and strategic tree plantings that maximize environmental benefits, improve water quality, reduce heat, and enrich the quality of life for the greater Titusville community. Um, and I will say out of all three vision statements, they were very close in voting. This one got

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36% and the others were right around that 30 marker. Um, and they all shared very common themes related to preservation, enhancement, environmental benefits, water, heat, um, and quality of life. And so when we developed the

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plan, every goal and recommendation in it serves this vision. And if it didn't, then it didn't make it into the plan. So in the plan itself the structure it has six overarching goals and then underneath the goals they have their individual objectives and it runs those

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20 years. Um so the first goals are really the foundational work to help achieve the following goals of protecting and expanding the urban forest leading to increased benefits. Um and throughout it all that close connection to community that goal six is

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a thread that carries throughout. So in the first five years um we kind of developed a more detailed timeline and three objectives really standed out as immediate priorities because they kind of have to unlock everything else that

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happens afterwards. And um the coordinator designation probably is the most important single thing to be done. It doesn't actually cost anything to designate somebody and it helps pinpoint that staff capacity that the program's been missing because you have dedicated

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qualified staff. You have everything you need. It's just a having somebody officially assigned to take that over even temporarily uh to take ownership was really important. Um, and then adopting the landscape trust fund policy, we received a lot of feedback

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that the public wasn't really in understanding how it was being used. So, making sure that it's directed towards replacing tree canopy, planting trees, maintaining trees, um, which is a very common use. A

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lot of cities have a similar type of mitigation fund. Um, so having that written out and identified to be used towards trees is very important. Uh, especially because we heard that time and time again from the community, having that structure and accountability. Um, and then the other

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most important thing was launching a public tree inventory procurement. So that gets you that data foundation so we can look at maintenance and risk management. So safety of the public when they walk down city streets is really

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paramount. um planting new trees and then tracking the types of trees and diversity we have. So if we don't get these done, the later goals, they won't be impossible, but they will be much more difficult. So this is the part that I think a lot

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of times we like to gloss over. I myself do this in my own life. Um but the monitoring, so how good of a job are we doing? Is it working? Um and so having that accountability built into the plan structure, you have annual

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monitoring uh that tracks if these actions are actually getting done. Um are they getting checked off the list? If not, why? And what can we do to pivot and get back on track? Um on top of that, every five years we have a deeper effectiveness review. So even if we're

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doing all the actions, are they producing outcomes? are we getting what we want from these actions? Because sometimes the answer to that is complicated, right? Um at the end of year five, we actually have a full plan review back presented to council. Um and

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then throughout we have this framework called the 33300. Um it's a lens we look at to see if the urban forest benefits are reaching every neighborhood, every resident in Titusville. if they can see three trees from their home, if they live in an area

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with 30% canopy cover, and if they can walk to the nearest park or green space in um 300 meters or about 5 minutes. And so when we benchmarked the city uh on that 33300, actually you exceeded the benchmark in

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the three trees visible um but fell a little bit below on the neighborhood canopy and the park access. So closing those two gaps on the benchmark is part of what our plan target is targets are organized around.

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And with that um I am done with the presentation. Happy to answer any questions. Um so feel free. >> Member Stokl. >> Yes. Um I had a question regarding the percentages. Um I think you said currently we have 44% tree canopy.

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>> Yep. In 2010 we had 50%. >> Yes. >> If and then you said we had 13% plantable space. So would that mean adding that to the 44% which would be 57% we could maximum plantability as

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conditions exist right now? >> Okay. >> I'd say and I think in the plan our goal was actually to the canopy goal proposed was to get back to that 50%. Okay. So that's a that's a pretty reasonable goal. That's only half of your plantability. And I I think that

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is a reasonable it's still a big picture goal, right? That's that is not an easy task. Um but it still is achievable. >> Finding that balance is not always easy. >> Yeah. What um would you say is a best practice for cities and communities? Is

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it 50%? Is it is there a best practice? >> Well, it depends on who you ask. Well, years ago they used to have certain biome type goals and it might be 40% here, 50 there. Um, you might have read

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guiding guidance that in industrial areas it's 10 to 15%. And those become outdated and unrealistic so quickly. And that's why I'd say probably the best guidance now is the 330. So you might have some neighborhoods

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that are 30%, you might have some that are 50, but having that no neighborhood less than 30% is a great goal. >> Okay. And then did you guys take into consideration all we've had a lot of development as you noted. Um so some of

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those developments planted trees which might not have tree canopy yet, but they might in 5 years, 10 years, 15. Did you guys take into account that that will eventually happen or not yet? >> So like growth modeling you mean?

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>> No, we did not do any growth modeling. But how we do the canopy analysis, one of the ways is basically a sample point. So if it landed on a 10-ft tall tree with a 5- foot wide canopy, that was it was count accounted for. But okay,

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>> if say all development stopped right now, no more trees came down, no more storms, and all those trees grew. That's not the pattern we're seeing over the last 13 years. But yeah, the and so that's part of doing this assessment is every five

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years or so, you do want to do an updated canopy analysis to see how you're doing. Um, so to kind of rerun those numbers basically. And I know a lot of times cities will find they hit a kind of peak development phase um and

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then it stays steady. So when you run rerun those numbers you may find say three years from now that the canopy is 46%. And that would be wonderful right? So you're trending in a good direction. >> Okay. And then um with a 33300

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>> with that model, are you recommending that to be that close to the nearest park or green space that any new proposed developments we have that be incorporated that they need to like what does that look like is my question I guess. So I don't know if you guys have

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heard of but the trust for public land also has a 10-minute walk campaign. A lot of cities signed up for that years ago. Um but you can definitely do a mapping situation. How we had this data was from the survey asking people if they can walk to the park. Um, and

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that's originally there's a Floridawide study from the University of Florida with Dr. Koser that that is how they did that. So, we were able to compare I'd say pretty much apples to apples on that. But it could also be a great mapping exercise to we've had clients

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use it to identify areas for land acquisition saying like, "Okay, this section of the city is a 20-minute walk from a park. What can we do to change that?" So, yeah, it definitely could influence planning, policy, and development. Um, but that definitely gets more into your guys realm and

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Brad's than mine. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you so much. Mhm. >> And I believe uh Miss Lily has a map with all the parks on it and uh can you elaborate a little bit about where the missing need is there in terms of green spaces?

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>> Yeah, we we've already begun to look into that similar question and they kind of cluster themselves in certain areas. So we took all the residential land and the public space land. So things like golf courses wouldn't count if it was owned by an HOA or maintained by an HOA.

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So there's a huge gap sort of in the middle of the city and I I think the percentage was in the 50s residentially uh were able to 56% off the top of my head but there's a gap. >> Well and then you have to think too like if it has

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five minute walk to a trail that then is a walk to a park. How do you count that? So there's some leeway in there. Um one of the big barriers to that often too is actually just having shade to walk to a park. Um, nobody wants to walk in the 95 degree Florida hot sun to the playground

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that also is hot. So, just my plug for tree planting. And I I think a big missing area is actually on the west side of the city. Um, you know, especially around 405. There's, you know, plenty of homes in, you know, the central to west side of

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the city that there's really not a whole lot of close public spaces. Member Mscoso. >> Thank you. So yeah, I think when to speak to um trust for public lands um a few years ago, they actually did map it out um here in the city and so we do

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have that data when they were looking at and when they look at possibly purchasing a property for a stormwater park or a park, they did those calculations and so that's very telling as well. Um so your report mentions an urban forestry coordinator. Um, is that

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different than the TEC's request for an urban forester? >> Yeah. So, the coordinator is somebody that essentially is appointed now in your existing staff to take over management of this. Otherwise, it just gets shoved on a shelf, right? So, if you guys eventually did decide to

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hire, say, somebody, a local consultant for one day a week or promote somebody from within or budget for a new position. Um, in the meantime, from now to when that happens, somebody still needs to be in charge of making sure the

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ball is rolling. Um, and in my opinion, your staff has already done a great job getting things in motion. So, we've already essentially put some checklists on checks on items that are in this plan before we've even finished it, which is amazing. >> My like my concern going through this,

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and I mentioned it in my briefing, that it it it kind of um highlights that our director of public works will be overseeing, which is a she already has a giant task at what she does, and then adding this is is a lot. And so, that's why I was curious if those were two

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different things. Um, we need you where you are. Well, and I I hope I tried to make it clear in the plan, but it is not common for a city of your size to have a director of public works overseeing urban forestry because they have that's common in cities that are like under 5,000 people because they have too many

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other things on their plate. So, wherever this position that was requested is housed, it could be in public works, it could be parks, it could be a landscaping type side thing, it could be its own division. and I've seen them in like neighborhood services, but yeah, it it

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would not be reasonable or fair to expect her to run and be in charge of urban forestry in my opinion. Okay. And then I have one more question. This might be for staff, but I know in this the tree mitigation fund we have over 700,000. Do we know how much annually

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gets put in that? I know it's based off of impact fees and things like that, but is there a rough number of we get 50,000 added to that each year, 100,000? >> It varies every year depending on the size of development that comes in and the number of developments that come in and what they're proposing to do. And

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some developments are able to replant without mitigating at all. So, it really varies dramatically every year. >> Would you say like we can every year consistently there is money being put in? >> I would say yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Member Nelson.

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>> So I know that part of our landscape trust fund goes for maintenance of our trees. Other >> ma'am, that's incorrect. >> Incorrect. >> Okay. >> Yeah. The landscape trust is not used for maintenance.

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>> Tell me what it's used for. >> It's for planting. >> Only planting. >> Yeah, that's all the the resolution is very specific. >> Okay, then that answers the question. Thank you. Easy one. >> Yeah. >> All right. Any other questions, council?

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All right. Seeing none, uh, one point I want to bring up to council is there's no action requested. So therefore, we normally would not take comments on because we're not taking action because it's going to come back before us. But I see we have a lot of uh tree folks here wanting to to talk and I believe they

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did put cards in. So if council be willing to make a motion to allow cards on this item, we can uh hear them out. Member Nelson. >> Move to allow cards. Second. >> Motion by member Nelson. Second by member Stokal. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously.

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City clerk, can you call the first card, please? >> Yes, sir. Stan Johnston. >> We're talking about uh 6B. Is that correct? >> Urban forestry. >> Oh, on for forestry. Okay. Because I was All right. Uh what I wanted to say is

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there's some other people going to speak like um um this young lady here with the silver hair. U Laura Lee and u yeah you're here and K and uh Hector and uh maybe Mike might want to speak too. But so what

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I've got to say is something special is that I want to say for them ditto. They're good people and uh uh they've got uh the right the right ideas about what's supposed to happen to our environment. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City Clerk,

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>> Mary Spar, >> good evening. I'm Mary Spar and I live in Coco. Um, I'd like to point out that even though your uh agenda item sentence about this says that no action is

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recommended, there are three alternatives and one of them is to accept the TEC recommendation. Um, and that's what I am hoping that you will do tonight. that includes

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establishing a line item uh for the um landscape from the landscape trust fund to fund implementation of the urban forest management plan and then to approve

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and implement the plan. So, in 2019, your community development director Peggy Bisaka suggested that Titusville create an urban forestry program to increase tree canopy. This sounded like an excellent idea, and I've been waiting

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for it since then. Now, the Titusville Environmental Commission very carefully reviewed the urban forestry document for two hours on April 30th and then another one and a

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half hours on May 13th and I attended both those meetings as a concerned citizen. I was extremely impressed with the quality of the TEC discussions and the TEC identified several recommendations that needed to be

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tailored to the city's specific situation and staff then um worked with the EOC consultant to creatively incorporate TEC suggestions and make the plan before you

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a living document which will take care of the issue um that one of the council people had about public works. The plan is now in excellent shape, ready for adoption now as TC recommended

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along with a budget line item, absolutely essential to get it off and running in the next fiscal year. Please approve the TEC recommendation and adopt this excellent plan tonight and

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recommend a budget line item for FY 2027. I urge you to vote for the TEC's wise and very carefully considered recommendation. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, city clerk

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>> Laurely Thompson. Thank you, Jess. >> Laurely Thompson Mims. Um, so at 44% canopy cover, Titus Soil has a good number of trees compared to most Florida cities. But think about it, a lot of those trees are in our big wetlands.

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They're not in the neighborhoods. They're they're out there. They're not over anybody's house or anything. They're out in the wetlands. So, um, our canopy percentage continues to decline due to tree loss from new development. We heard multiple times during the urban forest management plan community

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engagements that too much money has been taken from the landscape trust fund to plant flowers and bushes at quarter gateways. Instead, residents expect that that money gained from tree destruction should be used to replace trees. So over the last three years, city

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council has approved different plans that all stipulate development of an urban forest master plan. But while these plans call for tree planning, canopy enhancement, and green infrastructure, they don't provide operational or monitoring guidance. The

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urban forest management plan fills that gap. We've been talking about an urban forest management plan for years. We're like liners waiting for the great pumpkin. And it's and and it's time to stop talking and do something. Eocine has given us a brilliant plan. It's

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exactly what the community wants. We should put it to use and that'll take money. The city has $700,000 in the landscape trust fund. Used wisely, that money could last for years. We need to change the ordinance so it can be used

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to hire a coordinator to work with Sandy and the public works department. You know, she can use the money too for the trees. So, a line item I I'm suggesting $150,000 for the first year so that we can um hire a coordinator. Um, and so a

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line item for the management plan should be added right now to the fiscal year 2027 city budget. And you won't have to cut money from any other budget item because you can pay for it from the landscape trust fund. And you can leave the rest of the money in the landscape

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trust fund and let it continue to build so it can pay for implementing the urban forest management plan over future years. Establishing Titusville's urban forest is an investment in the community's health, livability, and long-term sustainability. Please,

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please, please adopt the urban forest management plan with TEC's recommendations tonight and put a line item in the city's budget to fund it from the landscape trust fund. So, now I understand that you advertise this as uh

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no no action. So, take some action later. Do something. Thank you. Thank you, city clerk. >> Hector Delgado. >> Good evening. My name is Hector Delgato from 3203 South Washington Avenue,

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retired NASA Chief Engineer. >> That's usually doesn't happen. Uh, but in any event, is that better? >> Okay. So, I'll start again. My name is Hector Delgado. I'm with the TEC. I'm also retired NASA chief engineer. So,

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I've been in the stars and the planets for a long time. I'm down in the trees. And so, I'm here to urge you to approve the plan. The contractor has done outstanding job, but the citizens

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did all the all the heavy lifting. Hundreds of hours, hundreds of people have come together to put this together. And this is a product that is upon you now for consideration along with how do

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we do this? How do we fund it? I think there's a way that is neutral to your budget. I'm trying to find a time where the city manager doesn't get doesn't get uh tangled with next year. We want to flow

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right in if we could. and with your support the citizens right behind you and maybe we can get this done after many years as it was stated before of trying to do this.

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This is a chance for generations to come for us to impact this city generationally. Is a chance this council, mayor and city and and city and city officials have to

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impact the future of the city. So just take that into consideration when you consider how we're going to do this. And I put my full support on this. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. City clerk >> William Young.

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>> William Young. >> I'm Bill Young, William Young. I'm with the Titus Environmental Committee. I've been here since 1957. Anybody been here this long? Okay. Okay. When I came here, when my parents brought me here in 1957.

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Anybody else out there? She's the only one I know of. Okay. You have? >> Okay. Uh, they put me in a house on the end of Garden Street called South Lake Village. Anybody been in South Lake Village across South Lake Elementary

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School? The developer put a little tiny one tree in the front of every house. If you go there, you'll see that 60 years ago, what trees are there? Very few. You have a brand new developer next door who

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put trees in, which are very few. Go next door to my house where I live now and you'll see giant oak trees that were put here 125 years ago. You're depending upon developers who are out to make lots of

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money and not care about the environment. They want nicely painted, good decorations and there's no money being put in a tree. So whether you go to South Lake housing project or the one

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next door, you don't see trees. Okay? So the house that I lived in for all those the years the 20 years before I moved here, there's one tree and five houses beside me have no trees at all. Don't depend on the developers.

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Take this plan, adopt it, put it in place, make it happen and make it policy and follow it and then figure out how to make that thing follow schedule and money. Make this happen. So if you then drive down south uh Catalina Street,

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when you go from Garden Street to Carpenter Road, look at the difference in trees. You can't see South Lake because the trees are too big. There's no trees like that in South Lake or the neighboring

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development. Don't let that happen at Titusville. >> Thank you, sir. Say clerk >> kan kange titusville tree team ecene engineering has prepared an excellent urban forest management plan for the

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city. This plan transforms years of city planning and commitment into a framework for protecting, managing, and expanding Titusville's tree canopy, providing nearly $6 million in annual economic benefits. The city's tree canopy is a

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valuable asset. However, canopy cover has declined from 50.2% in 2010 to 44% in 2023, over six points. The urban forest management plan is needed to protect, maintain, and enhance

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this asset, our tree canopy. So, it continues delivering benefits for years and years to come. If I had a $6 million asset, I would have it insured. And that's what this urban forest management plan, it is an insurance plan to keep

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managing and and enhancing our urban forestry. The plan strategically the plan strategic tree planting would reverse canopy loss while improving water quality, reducing urban feat,

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enhancing storm water management and expanding equitable access to green space. The plan calls for planting trees in county parks and sir along FDOT corridors in collaboration with these

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entities. A dedicated coordinator will be essential for successful implementation. The landscape trust fund is identified by the plan as one of the best funding sources for program development. The fund currently holds $700,000

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in tree mitigation fee revenues and continues to acrue monies all of which could be invested in implementing the plan. The city should establish a dedicated UFMP line item in the next fiscal year's budget using the landscape

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trust fund. You don't need to use your general fund. Use the landscape trust fund. That's what it's for. I urge council to vote to adopt, not just accept, but adopt this excellent urban forest management plan with TEC's

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recommendations and commit the resources needed for full implementation. Make the plan official city policy and Titusville will outshine all of Bard. Let's launch this plan this summer with an opening

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ceremony and tree planting event at Sandpoint Park. Tree Team volunteers are standing by, shovel in hand, ready to plant trees. Thank you. >> Thank you, M. City Clerk. Martha Pano.

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>> Martha. >> I'm Martha Pisaro. I am currently the treasurer for the friends of the enchanted forest and we would like to make sure that our voice is put behind this plan

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and seeing it go from plan to program. All that's been presented this evening, fantastic data and reasoning for putting together and do adopting and making this happen within the city of Titusville because

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the enchanted forest is not enough. We're 400 acres. We have conservation, preservation, and passive recreation and education going on. But we need our community

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to rever the nature that was here, especially during these times of development. And we need to listen to the work that the tree team has been putting together for all of these years and see our way forward to a government

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entity that will adopt and make programmatic the urban forest management plan and we thank you very much and may the forest be with you.

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>> Thank you clerk >> Tom Perez. Tom Perez Titusville. Um, thank you for allowing this uh to happen. Okay. Since you didn't need to do that, uh, the TC recommended the city council establish a

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line item from the landscape trust funds specifically to fund implementation of the urban forestry management plan. This effort has been years in the making, as you all know, building on

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several previous plans. Uh the urban forest management plan will protect the city's tree canopy assets. With the 700,000 in the landscape trust fund and continued revenues acrewing, we

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have the funding that is necessary to put this into effect. Please act to adopt the urban forestry forest management plan. Uh there is no reason for further delay. It's been a long time in the making. You have been given all

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the information you need to do so. The sooner the better. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. City clear. >> Jill Doson. Jill Dobson, Titusville. Adopt the urban forest management plan

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and invest in Titusville. The proposed urban forest management plan will enhance the quality of life for the citizens of Titusville by adopting and implementing this plan. In concert with the TEC's recommendations, the sustainability plan and the future storm

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water management plan, the preservation and planning of native trees and plants will mitigate the significant loss of the tree canopy we have experienced year-over-year. The preservation, planting, and maintenance of trees is a

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beneficial and frugal investment in managing storm water runoff, recharging the aquifer, and reducing Titusville's expensive and fragile reliance on portable water from other communities. I urge council to vote to adopt the plan,

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not accept, but adopt this urban forest management plan and commit the resources necessary to maintain it. Thank you. Thank you. City clerk >> Tony Shifah >> Shiflo Historic Norwood House. I followed the development of the

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Titusville urban forest management plan for years, long before the mayor came here. This plan was developed, refined, and edited. It's logical. It's professional. It's been studied and tweaked by your environmental

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commission. Vote to adopt the urban forest management plan with the recommendations from the TEC. Establish a dedicated plan line item in the next fiscal year's budget using the landscape trust fund, which currently has over

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$700,000. And follow the consultant's recommendation to add an exclusion that fund expenditures shall not be used for general landscape beautifification, ornamental plantings, or land hardscape improvements unless such improvements

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are directly associated with tree planting. comes from the plan. Titusville has sustained its commitment to an urban forest for over 25 years through the Tree City USA designation, the public landscape trust fund, and a tree

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protection ordinance, which the tree team got helped you pass. This plan builds on that foundation, providing a structured framework for managing trees as a measurable community asset already

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valued at $6 million. We falsely proclaimed to be a Tree City USA for 25 years because we fudged the figures. There were years we didn't plant any trees. We took them down instead and we used the money for other things.

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Now we have a solid plan designed not only by the citizens which he's not even here but cit member Cole kind of disdains citizen input but we have a plan not only divide designed by

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the citizens but by a hired consultant so it's professional with citizen input. So don't just accept but vote to adopt and implement the urban forest management plan.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you ma. City clerk. >> The last card is Michael Mjack. >> Yeah. Michael my Jack last card. Well, great. I'm in a modern house with no tree. How come? You know, somebody built it. Why isn't there a tree on it? I

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don't know, but we need to fix that. I have to tell you, having worked on this and the hours that we spent on this, um, this is a a formative change, if you adopt it, you will be adopting a

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generational change in this city. We will, our prodigy, our people, our children who come after us, who move here after us will benefit from this 20 years down the road. It's not just the structure. It's not

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just the plan. It's the fact that we have recognized that we have a valuable asset. That asset works well with storm water. when we get our storm water plan, this will dovetail into that so that we can work the two together.

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This is going to provide something that the city hasn't had for a number of years and that's something that the citizens can grab a hold of and participate in. Like Martha, I'm the vice chair of the Friends of the Enchanted Forest. And while the

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enchanted forest is indeed enchanted, what we need is an enchanted urban forest. And we all can adopt that and take care of that. So I have to ask you, if you're not going to adopt it now, why

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not now? And if not now, when? Because as you've heard, we have been here for years. The tree team wrote a plan a couple of years ago. We said, "Nope, that wasn't quite enough." That was a two-year effort, by the way. And now we have this

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effort which is more refined and more detailed and more structured. And it's exactly what I think the city needs. We have the resources in our landscape trust fund. We need to start now this

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budget cycle. We need a line item in the budget now. If you don't have that, it's not going to start. you don't have that towh hold to get going, but once you have that line item in the budget so that every fiscal year you can add to

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it. This plan proposes to have more than five people. This is a department. Maybe we want to take over our own parks too and manage our parks and wreck and our forest together as one little subd department maybe under public works.

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There's options. We have room to grow. This is the way a city of our size needs to grow. So, please adopt this with the TEC recommendations and let's move forward and grow some more trees. Thank

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you. Thank you, Mr. Magic. Well, I can tell you as somebody who sits up here and you know, one of the votes, I understand how you feel when government moves slow. As I think some of you guys said, you started working on this in 2019 is when it first kind of

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came to fruition. And even some of the things that, you know, brought up here, it's like you I'm one of the people that can vote on this and it still feels like it takes forever. So, I do understand that sentiment. And at the end of the day, you just want to plan and want to get things done and and I'm right there with you. So, uh,

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city attorney, I'm going to ask you this question. What would be the process to amending our resolution and how long do you think that effort would take? >> What the current resolution? >> Um, I would say as far as um making the

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amendment, the next we could probably have it noticed by the next meeting since um council is in um is not meeting until a month from now. >> Gotcha. And then I believe the initial plan called for somebody to kind of

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coordinate until there was a line item budget. Uh city manager, would you then I'm assuming ask Miss Lillly to do that in the meantime? >> That was my initial reaction. and we're going to come back with a implementation

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plan, a funding source, and a temporary coordinator um at the next meeting. >> Okay. >> And look for adoption. >> All right. Very much appreciate that that feedback, city manager. All right. Member Mscoso.

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>> Thank you. Um thank you so much for all the work that you've done and to all of our residents who've been working on this for years. We we truly appreciate it. I don't think I've ever seen our residents um support a consultant like they have supported you. So, this feels like a miracle.

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So, job well done. Um I'm originally from Tallahassee and um we're known for a few things. One for bad politicians, but another one we're known for our canopy roads and um that is kind of our claim to fame there. And um growing up I

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always when I was driving I always drove down the canopy roads because it was just so much fun. But the most expensive houses, the areas that everyone wants to live in are on those canopy roads. So I um I fully support this. I do think that it needs to be implemented. I don't

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think we have the staff time to be able to implement it the way that we want. So I would support um the TEC recommendation. >> Member Stokel. >> Yeah. to that uh regard city manager when you said identified funding sources

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could that come out of the landscape trust fund or are we limited in what those funds can be used for and that might be a question for Brad or you >> the resolution currently is very limited on what you can use it only for public purpose and only on public lands so the

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res the statements or the actions that are stated on page 35 of your packet you'll see the three things that the out the consultant is suggesting that you do prior to actually implementing this plan. Uh, one is to amend that resolution to give you more flexibility.

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>> Okay. Thank you. >> Hence why I asked time frame. >> Nelson, >> I'm just going to say I agree with the TEC recommendation and if we can use the landscape trust fund to help fund this, that would be

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great. And thank you. >> It sounds like everybody's supporting tree planting on the roads. I'm just saying. >> Yes. >> Good idea, mayor. Um, all right. Well, I'll entertain a a motion for the adoption of the plan

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um with >> Well, no. It says alternatives. We can accept the urban forestry plan with the TC's recommendations. It's on the staff report. >> Yeah. >> Mosa. >> Sure. I'll make that motion. So I move to adopt the urban forest management plan with the recommendation by TEC to

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hire an urban forester. >> So just to clarify, we were intending to bring this back to you under consent at your next regular meeting. This um presentation to you wasn't for formal action. Of course, if that's what you want to do, that's your purview. Uh but we were just hoping to get some input

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from you about this plan to see if we need to make any changes or not. It doesn't sound like that's the case. >> Yeah. I city attorney, any issue with us taking action? >> I don't see >> No, I don't see an issue with taking

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action by motion and vote. And um at this point in time, again, the resolution is just amending a document. So, as I stated, it could be as early as the next meeting in in July. It seems to be the funding issue may be more problematic. But again, amending a

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resolution is just a document. >> Okay. So just a recommendation as a motion to accept the urban forestry plan with TC's recommendations and then um direct staff to bring back their resolution amending the language in the landscape trust fund. >> Yeah. >> And I would second.

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>> All right. So member Mscoso amended her me motion. Member Nelson seconded. Uh any further discussion from this board? City clerk. >> Member Muscoso. >> Yes. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. Yes,

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>> member Stokel. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. >> I'd like to call a point of order if I may fin say to adopt and I heard Mr. Mayor say accept. I believe the motion was to

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adopt. Is that correct? >> Yes, I believe that's what it was. >> Thank you. >> Yes. All right. But I think the important part was including the motion of bringing back the resolution to change the landscape trust fund. So making sure that member Mscoso included that was

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important. All right, city manager. We are on now 6A I believe. >> Yes, sir. 6A boards and commissions. Titusville Housing Authority and the recommended action is to reappoint one regular member to the Titusville Housing

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Authority with the term to expire on May 31st, 2030. The members are appointed by the mayor with the approval of the city council and regular member Fletcher Portlock has expressed his willingness and desire to continue serving on this

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authority and requests reappoint for a 4-year term to expire on May 31st, 2030. And there are no additional applications on file. >> Thank you, city manager. City clerk.

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Will somebody make a motion to approve Mr. Fletcher? >> Move to approve uh Mr. Fletcher as a regular member of the Titusville Housing Authority. >> Second. >> Have a motion by member Nelson, a second by member Stokel. Any further

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discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you, city manager. So moving on to 6B, the boards board of adjustments and appeals and the action is to accept the

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resignation of board of adjustments and appeals alternate member Nathan Rothell with an unexpired term that will expire on July 31st, 2027. Resignation was effective May 19th and there are no applicants on file.

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>> Thank you, city manager, city clerk. >> One card, Stan Johnston. Uh Stan Johnson. I'm a professional engineer and I've have worked with uh um Board of Adjustment and Appeals on some successful and some very unsuccessful.

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And one of the ones that I have been very unsuccessful with is SNJ Oaks, which is still um in a horrible situation with the accepted survey that that doesn't uh pertain that is not f

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that's false. So anyhow, I'm I'm just just want you to be careful on who's who you choose for this replacement. Thank you. That's >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Can I have a motion? >> Move to accept the resignation of Mr. Roth with regret.

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>> Second. >> A motion by member Nelson, a second by member Stokal. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. And now we're on petitions and requests from the public. Non-aggenda items.

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Mr. Johnson. appreciate >> Michael again, modern house on Alpine Lane with no tree. I um I'm not going to get a chance to speak to you again for a few months as I'm getting ready to depart for Maine. Um

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one of the things that I asked of you when I first came back last fall was that the TEC be granted two meetings a month so that we could work on our wetlands problem. We're about to wrap that up and I think you'll be amazed at at the fixes that

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we've been able to bring to bear. Um this is all with approval of our city assistant attorney working with us. And so in that to that end looking at the storm water problems that we have coming

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up and some of the other issues that are on our our uh sustainability. I'd like to ask you to consider the TEC meeting twice a month regularly full-time. The amount of work and effort that there is to do and the amount of work that

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we've been able to accomplish, I think you can justify the two. So, I just wanted to put that in your ear and think about it because we have been very effective and we've been very functional. And um and the only other

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thing is I'd like to be able to zoom into the meeting. So maybe you can find a way to make that happen too. So thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Magic. >> Mr. Johnson, I'm assuming you want to say something. >> Uh Stan Johnson, I'm going to repeat

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pretty much what I said this uh last meeting is that I'm asking for Mr. Connor to resign from mayor for some reasons. Uh, I did have a a poster, but it's it's it's it's uh it's too big. So, I've got this right here, and it says uh

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Mr. Conor's uh election fraud. And that's why I'm wearing this a picture of uh Ronald Reagan with a Democrat on it, because uh what he did was he had a a poster of a of Vicky Conklin saying

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that she was Republican and and it was an error election. So, it was it was a bad thing to do. Um then the another thing I have on here is regarding Mr. Connors is uh it says it says here it says Tville, Florida is the only city in

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the world that deliberately sprays women, children, babies, cars, and home with sewage. Why? Ask attorney Mrs. Nelson and she can give you the answer is that uh um somebody in um in FDE

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said that it's okay to just just go ahead and and uh leave the leave the fountains on and and uh that's it. Um but uh uh I have money that says I can't get with the city can't get a professional engineer to agree with that and I'm a professional engineer and I'm

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opposing it and I think it's a horrible thing. It's nonsense and it's not. So, so just tonight someone came to me and said, "Stan, you're not being fair at all. You're not being fair." And that was Tony Shifel. And she told me, she said, "You need to give them a chance.

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You need to give these other four people a chance." Not Mrs. Muscoso, but so that they can say, "By golly, we're not going to do it anymore." Because uh that's what I'm really asking is that it was a wrong thing to do. Admit it was wrong. It was wrong for

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years to do it and it's still the wrong thing to do and stop doing it. So what this means is is that when we have a spill in in ponds like uh at at our parks such as Space View Park, Senior Center or u um

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the other park the other big park uh Sandp Point is that is that uh we should what we should we should do is turn the fountains off. So, um, I'm very disappointed in what happened. The last meeting, uh, last last council meeting, we had Boy Scouts over here. Boy Scouts.

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My I was a Boy Scout. My dad was a Boy Scout. And so, it appears to me as what what council did at that meeting when I spoke about this is is they they encourage encouraged people to be dishonest, to go ahead and support this

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nonsense. And that's what Mr. Connor is doing here and at North Bard Parks and Recreation. What is he doing? He's supporting nonsense. Spraying people with piss and poop. This is Titusville is the only city in the world in this planet that that deliberately sprays people with

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piss and poop. It's something you learned when you're in kindergarten. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. >> Thank you, member Nelson. >> Um Tom, can we ask Kevin about the fountains? We went over this last time. >> Please have a seat, Mr. Johnson. My

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understanding is those fountains have not worked for years. We haven't had fountains for years >> at Sandpoint Park. >> At Sand Point Park. >> Yeah, we don't maintain those fountains anyway. That's where our countyy's parks and recck to maintain the fountains at that park.

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>> Do we even have fountains anymore? >> I haven't seen them operate in number of years. But >> do we have a policy to spray people, excuse me, with pits of poop? No, ma'am. >> And I'm assuming Mayor Connor isn't

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promoting it either. >> And just another point, I believe the pipe break under Sandpoint Pond was in 2020. >> 2020. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Y >> and I think that's the only time I

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asked. and D. I was told by scholarice the D had said to leave the fountain on because the air would neutralize bacteria. Yeah, I don't have the magical ability to go back in time and stop pipes from breaking, but

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petitions are request. So, I was at Sandp Point Park when that happened and there were fountains and there was 7.3 million gallons of sewage. And I think that what Mr. Johnston is really asking for is a policy to never do that

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again. >> To never put those fountains on if there is a sewage spill in close proximity. That's all he's asking. It's real simple. and you can apologize.

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>> Thank you very much. More Sorry. What you have before you is a matrix of issues with regard to the Royal Oak property. Um, I realize that this is somewhat a topic or later in our agenda, but my point is that this

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property has some significant issues that the city should be aware of and should be addressing and should be using our statutes, ordinances, and laws and rules to consider. So, I put together a table that's nowhere near comprehensive,

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and it's just a first go. Um, please disregard the beginning of that because that'll be later tonight when I respond to the um attorney's report. Uh, I did want to bring to your attention, I don't know whether the council has seen, and you'll be able to see it on my

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phone, the 1943 photo of the Royal Oak Golf Course property, which demonstrates it is a wetland. This is prior to any kind of development at all. the quote unquote ponds were already present on the property and I would be happy to

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email you the pictures and the overlays with the current property design so that you can see them for yourself and understand that this in fact is a wetland property. Um I I guess what I really want to make

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sure we understand as a city when we look at this property is how much natural recharge occurs on this property. How much recharge would be lost um if we were to pave it over? What are the impacts on the water supply

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planning and the use of the 500 acre basin for the community that surrounds? Um these issues directly affect our water supply, storm water management, and long-term infrastructure planning. And um I think we also need to

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understand with regard to this property um what facilities were dedicated in the 1964 and 1965 uh deeds and plat. What public rights were created? What obligations were

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accepted by the city? How much of the drainage system depends on this property for the surrounding community and the property itself? what reliance interests were created for the homeowners who purchased properties based on the

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dedications in our plat. And by the way, the dedications are on every page of the plat. Um, I just feel like the city may not be fully understanding the situation this property presents both as in value

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to the surrounding homeowners and in its own responsibility. And I just want the city to understand and thoroughly review this. Finally, I'd ask that the RFP that's going out for the smallcale study be published on the city's website for

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all opportunities for all vendors. Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Petitions or requests? Seeing none, moving on to consent. City manager. >> Yes, sir. We have eight items under uh consent agenda. Are there any items

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council wishes to pull from the agenda? >> I'm not seeing any late, city manager. >> Okay, I'll go ahead and I'll uh read them for the record. 8 A, Purchase of Solid Waste Vehicles. 8B, School

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Resource Officer, SRO for 13 schools. 8 C bulletproof grant award. 8 D employee benefits and human resource consulting. 8E, save our Indian River Lagoon interlocal agreement. 8F, fiscal year

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2026 road resurfacing project change. 8G, special event road closure for the America 250 semiquentennial parade. And 8H, purchase of property for

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future storm water infrastructure. >> City clerk, >> we have one card. It's Dan Johnston. Uh Stan, I'm a professional engineer and uh I I certainly on on 8F is road resurfacing. I'm certainly for that. Um

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and uh I'm not against 8E also. And regarding 8H, I've looked up where the property is and I can't find out where it is in the U even in the agenda packet. So my concern is is that this may be another property that is um uh uh

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south of 50. I don't know where it is south of 50 that it's being wanted to be procured because it's available for for for buying them in this wellfield. Well, the wellfield's not been productive at all con compared. It's just it's just I

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don't I I just can't see a if it if it's surrounded by properties, it's it's not I see no need to to purchase it. So, uh I just want to give that opinion regarding uh a number of properties in Sun Valley that have been purchased that

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uh will will serve no real purpose as far as we know in what in a a really productive wellfield. Thank you. That's all. Thank you very much, Mr. Johnson. And uh this is not for recharge. This is to

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incorporate a parcel of land into our storm water system that that needs it. >> So, it's being a tactical approach to acquire more storm water. >> City clerk. >> All right. >> I was say you looked like you were

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getting up, so I figured I'd ask. >> I'm sorry. I had a card with no number on it. >> So, okay. So, Elizabeth Parker, >> city clerk, >> sorry, Parker. Uh, three in a circle. I

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just wanted to ask a quick question of the council regarding consent agenda item D. Uh, I was here for the presentation last meeting, I think it was. Um, in my understanding of the human resources consulting contracts a

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the agreement is to control medical costs for city employees. So, if my understanding is correct, we're self-employed and we're paying $75,000 a year for up to five years, which is

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what 225 plus 150 $375,000, not for medical care for our employees, but to try to find ways not to pay their medical care. And I guess I'm just wondering whether

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this is a real good use of taxpayer money to make sure that we don't pay for medical care for the people we have insured on city payroll who then can sue us and we'll have to pay for that. I guess I'm

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curious to hear what council has to say about why we would invest our taxpayer money this way and how it's benefiting the city. Thank you. >> Thank you. Well, I guess I I could answer that question. So, we all currently pay a benefits consultant to give us advice and after analyzing that,

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it wasn't working. We had to move 1.5 million uh from the general fund to cover losses of our self-insured plan. So, the the plan wasn't working. So, we went out to RFP to find a new consultant that can come up with a better plan to not only address our employees health care concerns, but also make sure we're

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not hemorrhaging money along the way. Because unfortunately out there in the health care world, there's a lot of rising cost for sure. And especially when you get into pharmacy and and networks and all those things, they they like to try to take advantage. And our insurance carrier was was no different.

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And so hiring somebody that can actually administer a self-funded plan effectively will not only provide better care to our employees, but uh help save our our taxpayers money. So that's the answer to that. City Council.

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Any discussion on the consent items? See none. Member Nelson. >> Move to approve consent agenda items 8A through 88H. Second. >> I have a motion by member Nelson, a second by member Stokal. Any further

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discussion? >> City clerk. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. >> Member Stokal. >> Yes. >> Member Moscoso. >> Yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much, city manager. Yes, >> sir. Moving on to item nine, ordinances,

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second reading, public hearing related actions. 9A is the community development block grant, CDBG FY27 annual action plan, final public hearing. And the recommended action is to conduct the final public hearing on

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the draft community development block plan and authorize the neighborhood services director andor mayor to sign the grant application and certification forms is required for utilization of CDBG funds in the amount of $251,081.

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We have members of neighborhood services to answer any questions you may have. Good evening, mayor and council members. The neighborhood services department is pleased to be back before you tonight to present the city's FY 2627 action plan.

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This is the second and final hearing required by HUD as part of the development of the city's plans on the uses of CDBG federal funds received directly from HUD. The purpose of tonight's public hearing is to receive

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public comments prior to the submittal to HUD. At your February 10th meeting, council approved the funding recommendations on the uses of the CD's CDBG program and authorized staff to finalize the action plan for approval.

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At tonight's meeting, the neighborhood services department has compiled the approved projects into HUD's electronic database system, which you will find as an attachment in your package as the action plan. Tonight, we are seeking

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council's approval of the 2627 action plan, authorization for staff to sign the grant application and certifications, as well as authorization to submit the plan to HUD. I wanted to note that on April 7th, 2026, HUD

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published the 20627 CDBG grantee allocations, the city's CDBG grant for next year decreased to 2,00 $251,81. As a result, the proposed amounts for

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the administrative and the neighborhood revitalization program portions of the action plan will be adjusted to 20% and 80% respectively for a total public services

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was reduced from 42,000 to 37,000. And if you have any questions, >> member Nelson, >> I do. Okay. >> I'm sorry. >> You're fine. There's a letter from HUD >> and I should have asked it earlier this

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week, but in it it talks about um we are permitted to section 108 permits you to borrow up to five times your current CDBG allocation. >> Yes, ma'am.

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>> Which would be 1,250,000. Could we use that for lowincome housing? >> We could, but they are loans. So, we would borrow against

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our funding. And if our funding is reduced or if our funding doesn't we don't receive it, we would still owe that money back. >> Okay. So that's why we've never I believe that's why we've never

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>> used it. >> Yes, ma'am. >> In that matter. Okay. >> Okay. But it's a it's an idea. >> Yes, it's it is a large amount. >> Member Mscosa. >> Thank you. Um I see we have

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163,000 for neighborhood um revitalization and infrastructure. Um, and it says the report references that it can go to sidewalks, um, blight removal, um, housing improvements. Um, and then the report also states that we

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have more than 15 households on a waiting list, I guess, to get housing. >> Those are actually on our rehab waiting list, okay, that we use ship funds with. So, are we able to use any of that 163,000

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to go to make sure that we're rehabbing houses so that people can get into homes? Because I know a lot of times this money goes towards um resurfacing projects and lighting projects, but um we want people in homes and if we can, like to the member Nelson's point, if we

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can use every dollar and make sure it goes into either rehabbing the homes so people get in them, that's where I'd love to see it. We did add housing this year to address comments from the last meeting and housing activities with HUD

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could fill gaps where needed when our for our ship and home programs. >> So the 163,000 um what do you have it earmarked for at the moment? Currently, we do not

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it's not our action plan is not designed for specific projects. It is designed to allow flexibility to cover public facilities and housing. Specific projects are determined with public input for this plan, specifically the

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South Street target area. We are currently, this will be our fifth and last year targeting the South Street area. So the residents have a few ideas but nothing is set in stone. Therefore why the f flexibility is needed.

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>> Okay. Um yeah I mean I I think that's great and we want to get our the residents input but also for me personally making sure we have homes ready and available for people as well. So that would be my top priority for that. But um we always have a waiting

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list with on our rehab list. So, >> thank you very much, city clerk. >> Yes, sir. Kirk Davis. Uh, Kirk Davis, 3740 Hickory Park Drive

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at Titusville, and to the honorable Mayor Connors and the rest of the council. I just wanted just to bring up a few things uh in relation to the CDBG. This is not pulling on that funding or it's not

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addressing that funding, but it's just aside that I thought would be important to bring to the council. Uh this involves some property that the city of Titusville owns. The address is 700 WA Avenue and that property has been under

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contention for a couple of years in terms of memorialization for the Jonavville area. Uh why is it significant? Uh this site will be a cornerstone for Titusville African-American heritage. For decades,

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the community in the jointville vicinity has served as a vital hub for education, community organizing, business development, and cultural expression. The site can res represent the resilience and resourcefulness of the

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African-American families who despite systematic challenges of segregation and limited investment built a self- sustaining community that significantly shaped the economic and civic landscape of Titusville. Historic role. The

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cityowned property is next door to the Titusville market aka Blues Groceries. It is also uh next to the uh Harry T-more social service center and is on the gateway south street to Titusville.

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The property represents the cornerstone for the community. The former school near this property was the Titusville Negro School and I'm sure most of you are familiar with it. It provided education to generations when public e public schooling was segregated. The business uh like blues and others

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were a central gathering place and an economic engine that supported families in the community. Likewise, this location is loc is connected to the works of activists like Harry T and Harry V. Moore. Community impact. This

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site will consolidate a center of community identity. It can facilitate social, intellectual, and political development of the neighborhood. encourage our youth in learning more about their community and act as a testament to the con contributions of African-American residents to the growth

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of north of our county. Preservation of memory. Currently, the community's history is at risk of being overlooked in the broader narrative of the city. This property can host a visual presence that can serve as a physical commemoration that is essential

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that is essential to ensure that this site's role in our local community and our local history is formally recognized, respected, and accessible to future generations. Alignment with community goals. >> Can we give Kurt another minute? >> Just 20 seconds.

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>> 20 seconds. >> 20 more seconds. All those in favor say I. >> The timeman. Go ahead. The use of the property will align with the city of Tyville ongoing efforts such as the Jonavville and beyond initiative to document, preserve, and interpret it unrepresented narratives within our

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collective heritage by using this property for a commemorative display. The city demonstrates a commitment to a physical and inclusive historical record that honors all contributors to our shared community. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Mr. Davis. City clerk. >> The last card is Christina Stokes. I've provided council with a brief concept sheet regarding an ongoing community memorial. memorial wall with engraved legacy bricks and reflection

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space for your consideration as future community development and neighborhood revitalization opportunities are explored. Good evening, mayor, council members, and community members. My name is Christina Stokes, and I appreciate the

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opportunity to speak during this public hearing on the community development block grant annual action plan. As we discuss neighborhood revitalization and community investment, I believe it is important to remember that many of our communities carry

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histories of pain that did not begin in recent years. In Florida and throughout the South, systems such as the black codes and convict leasing created new forms of exploitation after slavery. and black labor helped build much of the

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infrastructure and prosperity that we benefit from today, including transportation corridors such as US1 and the old Dixie Highway, whose legacy remains visible throughout our community and in names that continue to reference

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that history. Those histories left lasting impacts that can still be felt through grief, disconnection, poverty, violence, and unequal access to spaces that promote healing and belonging. Community development is about more than

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buildings and roads. It is also about people. It is about creating environments where residents feel connected, valued, and remembered. That is why I have been exploring the concept of an ongoing community memorial

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wall with engraved legacy bricks and reflection space connected to the Harry T. Moore Center. Such a space could allow families to honor loved ones while encouraging healing, remembrance, beautifification,

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volunteerism, and stronger partnerships with local organizations and service providers. I recognize that this concept remains in the community input and and exploration stage. However, I hope that as the city

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considers present and future investments, we will continue to prioritize projects that strengthen human connection and promote community healing. Honoring the legacy of Harry and Harriet Moore requires more than remembering history.

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It requires investing in the people who continue to live with its consequences and creating spaces that help us build a stronger and more compassionate future together. Thank you for your time and consideration. >> Thank you very much.

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City clerk, any other cards? >> So, I mean, member Nelson, are you gonna ask the question? >> You can. >> All right. Go ahead. Can we use CDB CDBD dollars to do something like that? >> I believe the property that Mr. Davis

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was speaking of, we had an issue with CDBG not allowing it. I don't know the exact regulation and I don't have it with me tonight, but I can provide that to you. >> Okay. >> Was there initially a a plan with

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drawings and and an approximate cost of how much this was going to run? I believe there was before my time though. So I'm I'm asking >> I believe we already own that property. >> Yes. >> As a plan for the >> vacant property. We own it. >> Yeah. But plan for the the pocket.

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>> Have any plans for any type of um development or anything? We did we did have meetings and we did have a consultant come in and speak to us regarding putting a park there and it

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was HUD that would not allow us to do it due to a certain regulation that I don't have with me tonight. >> I remember that staff has >> I remember that part. I don't remember the specific >> remember

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>> there was a specific reason why. >> Yes. But I don't remember what it was. >> Mr. Parish, were you gonna say something? >> I I'm just going to concur that that is true. We were in the midst of implementing the plan uh with funding to

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put in a park. Um but because um I I I guess rules had changed with HUD, they eval re-evaluated that and concluded that we could not use the money for that project. So that project was halted. >> All right. In your planning process, Mr.

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parish. Approximately how much was this going to cost? >> I believe the we had only budgeted the design which was about $100,000 or thereabouts. So that was just for the design. We didn't have the funding yet just for the uh construction that was

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going to be something done later once design was completed. >> Gotcha. A member Nelson wonder if there's any grants out there >> that we can follow. I believe Terry has been looking into other funds

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to go towards that park. >> So that we were calling it a pocket park, >> right? >> But I believe Terry has been looking into trying to find other funds. >> I mean, I'd love to see something nice

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there. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So would we. >> Yeah. I almost sort of wondered if we did it, this is crazy. I idea, I don't know if it works, but if we did it as a gateway

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into Titusfelt or a gateway into the downtown area. >> Yes. >> If that would allow us to fund part of it, I don't know. That was the plan was to do that.

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>> And I think member Nelson to your your point like you know you want that to be a nice entry point and obviously a memorial to and the history of our community. Um one of the ideas that comes to mind is that first of all I want to know how much it's going to cost and what kind of community effort we can

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get behind because I'm sure the state's not really excited about us spending you know discretionarily. Uh but just try to figure out exactly what the community wants in terms of a park, what resources we can pull together from the community and maybe we can look at, you know,

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maybe some of the money we would normally budget for sidewalks because a lot of this money uh tends to go to sidewalks and go, okay, CBG paid for the sidewalks. We can, you know, look a little bit over here. But I think we there's a way we can do something nice that's economical without having to go

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through a $100,000 uh you know study about a a pocket park. That's just kind of my opinion on the matter. But I think there's definitely a way we can probably make some traction on it. Member Nelson. >> Uh Miss Tony is jumping up and down. >> I know. I Well, again, we wanted to have

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our conversation. >> She probably knows the regulations. >> All right. Does Does anybody else have anything? All right. Miss Shiff, >> can I speak? >> Yes. >> Thank you. I was just letting us have our discussion and I saw you jumping back there. I wasn't going to forget to call in.

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>> Thank you. Yes. The city has already um acknowledged that they that we could have that the concerned citizens that area, this neighborhood, Joinerville, South Street, could have that piece of property. What the problem was that HUD wouldn't allow us to put in a pocket

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park because it being on South Street, it would not serve just that community, but would be citywide. Now, there are alternative funding sources. AARP has a number of grants

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that are available for livable cities uh for for beautifying and beautifification for community placemaking. And so if the city will not take that property back, but allow us to continue

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researching in this community, I think that we could do something with this area in including the memorial wall that that the um neighborhood really wants. And there there's a specific couple of people um I believe Miss Golden's aunt

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has wanted to make a memorial wall even on her private property, but this would be the place for it because it does face and there there had been a problem with um blues and the congregation of um

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non-dommino playing guys gathering every afternoon. And so there was a worry in the community about that that little park would have been taken over by that. But I think that we can work around that. So thank you for allowing me to speak. >> Thank you, Miss Shel. And I think

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there's a way that you we can kind of have the best of both worlds. You can maybe put a little storm water in there and at the same time, you know, put a little monument in there called a reflecting pond. >> Yes. >> So remember Nelson, did you >> That's what I was thinking. reflecting

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pod. >> Anybody else have any discussion? Anybody want to make a entertain a motion? Uh move to approve the 2627 community service development block grant annual action

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plan and authorize the neighborhood services director andor merit to sign grant application and certification forms. Second. >> I have a motion by member Nelson, a second by member stokall. Any further

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discussion? Seeing none, city clerk, >> Mayor Connors, >> yes. >> Member Stoel, >> yes. >> Member Muscoso, >> yes. >> Member Nelson, >> yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you very much. Appreciate you guys being here. City manager. >> Next item is 9B, the ordinance number

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11-2026, the aerospace and light manufacturing ordinance. And the action is to conduct the final reading and public hearing of the aerospace and light manufacturing ordinance number 11-2026. And Brad Parish will read the ordinance

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for the record. An ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending the code of ordinances relating to uses within the planned industrial development PID zoning district to allow childcare facilities as a limited use and standalone parking structures as a limited use and to expand the definition of light manufacturing to include

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aerospace and defense related research and manufacturing by amending sections 28-54 use table, 28-110 childc care facility, 28-154 parking structures, and 28- 210 light manufacturing providing for

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severability, repeal of conflicting ordinances, incorporation into the code, and an effective date. This was brought to the planning and zoning commission on June 3rd. Uh they stated they recommended approval of the aerospace and light manufacturing

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ordinance as drafted to them with the following recommen recommended changes to section 28-110 childc care facilities paragraph C1A. A conditional use permit is not required when a childare facility is approved as part of an approved or existing PI or

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master plan when it is an accessory use to the principal use. Also, they recommended the following change to section 28-1 to 54 parking structures in the planned de development PD zoning district. Parking structures may be approved as part of an approved or

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existing PID or master plan when it is an accessory use to the principal use. The motion also approved the use of the definitions provided by member Tropman to be included in the ordinance. Mr. Tropman's uh or member Tropman's uh recommendations were uh very specific.

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Um we believe that the definitions that we provided in the ordinance is sufficient. We do not and the staff does not have any so aside from that we don't have any objection to what the re PNZ's recommendations are. However, uh we do recommend approving the the

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ordinance as drafted and stated to you tonight with the following change since your last meeting, since your last public hearing. If you'll see on page 799 of your packet, the definition of light manufacturing, we've kept it the same. That is existing language. We

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didn't touch it. We initially showed you uh some language added to that definition at your first public hearing. That is also what PNZ saw at your fir I'm sorry PNZ did see the the new version I'm going to show you. um you made some comments and based on

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your discussion uh we are proposing the following change which is on page 800 of your packet. You'll see that under that section of light manufacturing which is allowed in various zoning districts including the the planned industrial development zoning district. We've added another

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paragraph sub paragraph E which states light manufacturing activities permitted in the P south of state road 405 and east of state road 407 light manufacturing activities including but not limited to aerospace and defense related research and manufacturing and

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so on. So we carried it over to this particular section of this ordinance. We still believe that these types of uses are consistent with light industrial. I think some of the concerns you had at your last meeting was, are we expanding these types of uses into the downtown? We don't believe that's the case. We

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believe that those are already allowed in the downtown with the conditions and controls that are currently existing inside the code. So, with that, we'll I'll try and answer any questions you have. >> Not seeing any, Mr. Parish. Thank you very much.

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>> City clerk. Good evening. Jesse Wright, 3550 South Washington Avenue. I'm definitely for this u I don't see why the aerospace ind industries should be just cross the river. I think they should come down to this side and uh it will definitely

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generate jobs. I can certainly use that in my mall in terms of occupancy and um and so I'm definitely for this. I think everything pretty much as Brad mentioned is is within compliance.

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Um I'd like to also discuss the fact that um I'm probably the only developer that cares about the environment and the leaks from gas stations. I'm going to publicly announce that we are going to go after Cumberland Farm

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and Shell station that has been leaking for the last 15 to 20 years. And uh the fun the findings that we're going to find through this lawsuit, we will be sharing it out there. I'm sure if they've done this in one or two gas stations, they've probably done it in

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other areas. This is something that I believe that the city council should consider uh once we get the data. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Right. City Clerk. >> Robert Goldz. Mayor, Mayor and Council, Robert Goldz,

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president, CEO of the Tyville Area Chamber of Commerce. I'm in favor of moving forward with this um just went blank. Sorry. Ordinance. Um, I did economic development for over

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10 years in uh, New Jersey and believe that this will help in our economic development of our community and higher wages and uh, better uh, work for our better work and higher wages for our uh, current residents. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, sir. City clerk Michael. Being an engineer, um, I understand what light manufacturing is. What I don't understand is why we have to change the definition of light manufacturing. I don't mind the, you know, the other

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conditions, you know, the child care facility, the parking garage, that all makes sense. But why are we changing the definition of like manufacturing? Aerospace manufacturing is the same as manufacturing weapons.

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It's the same as manufacturing metal machinery. So why is this special? Is this just a political stunt? Oh yes, we're honoring the space program. Let's get them over here and start building. What I'm

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concerned is feature creep. We have a definition of industrial light industrial. What are we changing to that specifically? Do you know? And if not, why?

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Because we already have light manufacturing. We've been doing light manufacturing for years. We've been doing aerospace manufacturing and rocket building and stacking over here, I mean for years.

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So why the sudden change? Why the requirement for a change in that definition? The rest of it I don't mind, but I don't think we need to go that far. Thank you. >> Thank you, sir. City clerk. >> Elizabeth Parker. back again on the ordinance. Uh I agree

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with Mr. Majek and I'm also concerned uh that maybe we should redefine but in a different way. Uh because when you look at what's happening across the country right now, uh areas like the property that we have surrounding the airport

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down on US1, big vacant piece of land adjacent to water, is ripe for the picking for one particular industry that brings virtually no jobs after it's been built out, but we'll use all of our

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power and all of our water. And I think Kathleen addressed this when this was brought up at our last meeting. That would be data centers. And my question or maybe even a concern is why don't we rewrite the ordinance just

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a little bit further and exclude the development of data centers in our city. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, city clerk. >> Elizabeth Baker. So, I'm asking that you table this uh for a number of reasons. Uh one was we

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ended up with kind of a bare minimum notice on this and I think that we can do better than that. Um the light manufacturing it is really vague. There's way too many questions here. light in manufacturing with aerospace

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means a whole lot of things. um epoxies, solvents, gases, TEC, MEK, things that are are heavy and costic materials that if affecting the lagoon really makes it contradictory to the fact that we're,

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you know, our our sorrel program is going to be asking for a half cent tax from residents that we've been paying for 10 years and now we have the potential to add a whole lot of pollution to the Indian River Lagoon. So it really is contradictory to what Sorrel has been doing. We really need to

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take a pause and and make sure that those definitions are very very clear and that safety measures are in place. We also don't have any real answers on infrastructure. How uh you know how many jobs are going to come in here? That's going to be

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really important to our roads, to our sewers, to our water. We have lots of concerns here. Um, this also, you know, I'm concerned because of those things how this could possibly end up violating

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the comprehensive plan later on down the road if we're not clear here now and an industry comes in and they decide they want another zoning ordinance. You know, what are we going to do then? What what happens then? Um there's some red flags that pop up for me on this um about the

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child care centers and parking garages. These are accessory uses, but they're not typical industrial needs. So, it seems like this is being tailored for specific aerospace or defense companies.

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And I'm very concerned about that. Um it does suggest that this is being written for a single large employer. Um, you know, I I have to say the mayor's ball fundraiser, you did get sponsorship from aerospace companies. Was there

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discussion? Have you guys met with any of these contractors or representatives? Those aren't real good real clear answers there either. And yes, data centers. Does this open us up for the possibility of having data centers in

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Titusville? I think before anybody moves forward on this at all, again, I'm not asking you to say no. I'm asking you to table this until we have clear answers. But we have to have those clear answers. So, please take that into consideration

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because the future of all of our residents is absolutely at stake here. With a data center, we could end up having rolling blackouts, loss of water. You know the drill. So, >> thank you very much, >> city clerk. >> Darcia Bear,

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>> I I can't hear you. >> Darcia Bear. >> Obviously, reading over this ordinance as a citizen is difficult to understand. I don't have access to staff to ask questions. And while I try to research and learn and understand what's being suggested, why and who ultimately want

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this change, as a citizen, it's hard not to question the motives behind this change, it's hard not to wonder what lobbyist is behind this change. It's hard not to question the motivation of who may get kickbacks from this change. While I support the space industry that

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is here, I wonder what type of facility would this ordinance change welcome. While some activities are straightforward, others are less obvious. Do aerospace and defense manufacturing require excessive use of our already limited water resources? We

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do, after all, buy water monthly from Coco. What will prevent development of a data center in this space? What type of protections will there be when there's an environmental incident that impacts our local environment and communities? Thank you.

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>> Thank you very much. City clear. The last card is William Young. Bill, >> I'm sorry. I'm old. Bill Young, but I'm old. But I've been here since 1957. But in 57, we didn't uh I'm not sure I'm

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talking about the right thing, but I think you're trying to build something on the river and you're going to Is that what this is about? No. >> I thought we're going to fill in land. >> No. >> And No, that's the next one. That's C.

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>> Yeah, but they got continued to >> city clerk. >> No more cards. >> No. >> All right. As you can see in your packet, you have a letter of support from the airport. And it looks like the

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director of the airport is here and most of the P land is at the airport uh to support their ongoing economic development efforts as well as a letter of support from the EDC. Um as our current planned industrial development language did not allow for things like welding or or manufacturing just

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clarifying aerospace and defense in the code made a lot of sense which is why I brought it up to council. Council agreed and uh you know asked staff to work on an ordinance. So that's how we got from A to B. Um I believe very strongly u in the future of this community. Uh all of

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us last Saturday got together at our council retreat and we had a unifying vision and we believe that in the next 10 years we're going to make Titusville the most prosperous community in Bvoulevard County. That was what was centering around all

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of our decisions. And as we look at things in our code that are holding us back from economic growth because the space industry is going to build across the river whether we want it to or not, the fact that it's in our community and can then contribute to our community through taxation, through helping us

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with roads, uh, storm water infrastructure, all those things are very very much needed, especially as we look at the potential elimination of homestead property taxes. So I don't think this is a maybe. This is an

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absolute necessity in my opinion. >> Member Nelson. >> And I'm gonna say reading this, I don't think there's any way that this is going to authorize a data center. >> And knowing or two different things. >> Okay. The attorney in me says reading it

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>> in your mind. >> The attorney and me says reading it, it will not allow a data center. >> 100%. >> All right. Excuse me, ma'am. Member Nelson has the floor. Member Mscosa, you have the floor.

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>> Okay. Staff, can you confirm that this would not be a data center? >> I have no information that we have a data set u being proposed. >> Okay. Um I I kind of wrote something out just because I want to make sure I get all of my points in. Um I did spend a

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considerable amount of time discussing this with our staff. Um actually, I was in support of this. um when I first read it um because I do understand the uh importance and we did talk about of getting this commercial investment and

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the man manufacturing um here in Titusville especially as you mentioned uh with property taxes and our future. Um and I think that's why I even wanted to be careful and make sure that we just centered it around the airport. Um, however, as I look at the the ordinance,

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um, it does feel like it is tailored to accommodate a a certain company. At the same time, the ordinance is moving forward without the public, without members of the council. Me, I don't know about you guys, having a clear understanding of who this company is.

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I've asked that question. How many jobs would be created? I've been told it'll create a lot of jobs. and then what is actually being proposed. I know that some of our staff have signed NDAs and they're limited to what they can share, but from my perspective, I'm being asked

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to vote and not knowing about a project that is driving this request. So, my concern is the unintended consequences. If I feel like staff could have said this is not going to be a data center, that would have helped a lot of my my

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questions. Um, I do know that there have been discussions about data centers here in District 1, and I'm not saying that this is what it is. However, across the country, these centers are often approved because local ordinances and land use regulations have been adjusted

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in advance to accommodate these and these are often made before the project is actually publicly known. Can that happen here? I don't know. I absolutely hope it doesn't, but I'm not comfortable creating a new pathway without fully understanding what is behind it. Now, if

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I understood who this company was, what jobs they were bringing, absolutely, that could definitely change my mind. But I don't have that information and I am scared to move forward without knowing those things because it is extremely tailored in my opinion to

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something. Member Nelson, >> I understand what you're saying. Most of the time we have requests uh when people are working with

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ordinances and they all of a sudden see something that's holding them back. So that part doesn't really bother me as much. Sometimes people coming up, Jesse

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comes up, I won't pick on you, and says, "If if we could change this ordinance in a certain way, I can move forward with this project." So, you know, really

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other than TEC sitting there staring at some of our ordinances or land development regulations, um, for the most part it is people coming up and saying, "Hey, I need help here."

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>> Yeah. So, I mean, I look at it and read some of these definitions and go, I I really can't see this happening. >> I agree with you saying someone coming up, but we don't know who is coming up.

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Our staff has signed NDAs and they can't tell me who is coming up. So, that is my concern. If I could know who was coming up and the jobs it was, it would bring, it would just be an easier decision, I think, for me. What if you asked past treasur about the data centers? Would

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this allow a data center? >> I mean, I just asked the staff. I think Brad mentioned it. You know, it could. >> I've not been approached about a data center is whether it's consistent with our code. So, I don't have a good answer for you. It really depends on what's

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submitted to us. So when we receive an application for any kind of project, we we um ask a lot of questions even in any kind of industrial use especially because their processes and their um their business models are always different and we try to see how that

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fits within the definitions and the use that we have listed and permitted in different zone zoning districts. data center from the information that I've reviewed is very intense uh very large you know they may exceed the floor ratio

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they may require certain resources that will exceed a level of service standards for water consumption or whatever that might be that wouldn't be able they wouldn't be able to go forward if they did that. So, it really depends on what is proposed to us to see how that could fit in with any kind of use

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classification we have in our zoning code and what other requirements they may have. But from my understanding, I think it'll be very difficult based on the number of properties that we have available and the conditions that we have and the various zoning districts

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that we have, different zoning uses as well. So, that's really the best answer I can give you until I see an actual application propped for us. We did provide to you uh you did bring this this issue up at your last meeting and I did provide to you um a report from the American Planning Association that I

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hope you had a chance to review. If you are concerned about this topic, as many other communities in the state of Florida are, I would recommend that then maybe we can come back to you with some recommendations of changes to the code specific to that use with conditions

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that may be limited to that particular type of use. Um that way it's very clear that if we do get we're confronted with or proposed with an a data center of some sort that we have clear definition of what that is and then there's no question and that we

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then would have u limitations that we can impose depending on what that is whether it's a public hearing or what not. >> Thank you. Yeah, I would I would love that. I will tell you this is probably one of the hardest decisions I've made on council because I I understand that we are going to need this money. we are

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going to need these jobs. It's just um it's the it's the unknown and the fact that if this company is so great, why why are there NDAs signed? That's my my big question. >> Thank you. Um something else I'll just

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point out when it data centers because you know everybody talks about how much water they use. We already have a built-in checks and balances in our community that anybody needs them over 10,000 gallons of water a day. they have to come before us for approval. Uh so I think you know the code aside I think

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Brad's still you know very not really baked into the code at this point but we have a we have checks and balances in place. Member Stokel. >> Yes. Um I had some of the same questions and concerns that have been mentioned already. Um so couple things that I got

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from staff. One Brad is saying he has not been approached by a data center. So I can use deductive reasoning there. to um and Brad you can clarify this if a data center was interested in coming to us this ordinance doesn't make it easier for them to come they can still come

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this isn't adjusting that so if this gets passed or doesn't get passed a data center has just as much right they haven't analyzed the code for that they would do that but this isn't opening it up and making it easier for them so that made me feel a lot better the other issue I had um and I think member MSO

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brought this up last time was it expanded going to be on the airport and I got clarification that if they did want to do this in downtown, those have to have public hearings. So, there is some safeguards in there with certain conditions that they would have to um abide by. And then lastly, and Brad just

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touched on this, could we potentially seek advisability if we are concerned about data centers to see what can we do legally um to try to prevent that from happening? I just don't know legally what we can do. So, I think those those

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would be um kind of what I think that we should do moving forward. Um knowing that yes, there's NDAs and unfortunately we can't know those things, but knowing that it's aerospace, knowing what we're trying to do for commercial and industry um that we speak about a lot. I would be

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in favor of this. >> All right. Thank you very much. Looks like there's no further discussion. Member Nelson. Um, I'm just going to say this to Megan. When I grew up around here, so when

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Disney came in, there were NDAs all over the place. Nobody knew that Disney was coming until the last minute. And my stepfather was one of the attorneys working on that project.

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Um, so I think the reason for people not wanting to have their name out there so that they can tie up property before they let everybody know. It's not like

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Disney wanted that thousand acres. You don't want uh Joe Smith coming over buying that thousand acres and offering it to you for double the money. So

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any rate um my motion would be to approve ordinance number 11-2026 aerospace and light manufacturing and also to provide ask staff to provide

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advisability to prohibit data centers. >> Can we take them one at a time please? >> Is that the same ordinance or we talking about a separate action? >> Separately. It's separate action, but I'll take it one at a time. >> One at a time. Move to approve ordinance number 11-2026.

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>> Have a motion by member Nelson. >> Um second and then clarification with conditions of that P&Z recommended. >> That was I put those in there. >> It was with the child care facility. >> Yeah. As

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>> I had asked staff about it and they seemed to be I don't know if they had opinion on it. didn't object to PNC's recommendations. It's an easy tweak to the ordinance. Um, but for simplicity, we believe what we've written is enough.

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>> Okay. >> I sort of read it and it made sense. >> Okay. My second will still stand regardless. >> All right. So, I have a motion by member Nelson uh to approve as written and second by member Stokl. Any further

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discussion? Seeing none, city clerk. >> Member Stokel. Yes. >> Member Muscoso. >> No. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much. City manager, I believe the floor is yours. >> Um,

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>> can we talk about the advisability? >> Member Nelson. >> Uh, advisability about data centers. If we could have that back. >> I'll second that one. >> There's a motion by member Nelson and a second by member Mscoso. Mayor, can we

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get a clarification on what exactly you want out of this advisability? >> Basically, can we prohibit data centers? >> What do we need to do to stop them? >> Yeah, that we can do that. So, if we can't, then we'll also provide you

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alternatives, >> right? >> Okay. >> Yeah. Because who knows, there could be a new state preeemption tomorrow that, you know, hinders us. So, Oh, but by the way, we still got to vote. Member Nelson motioned. Member MSO second. Uh all

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those in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Staff, you have your marching orders. Um Mr. Abate. >> Yes, sir. Um I have nothing uh for info or action on my city manager report. I'm going to turn it over to the city attorney who has some items of

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>> Oh, it's not your report time. We skipped over new business and petitions and requests. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I thought you said turn it over to me. >> Yeah. Yeah. I know, right? All right. So, now we're at petitions and request the second go round. So, if you already spoke the

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first time, seeing none, petitions and request on the council reports. I have one item on my report. Uh, it's another issue with our code that I wanted to bring up. >> I think we >> Oh, we did. >> Mr. Young, did you have a petitioner

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request? >> Yeah, I have something to say. Okay. >> Sorry, I can't hear very well. >> It's all good. >> This is old age. >> Okay. Um, uh, 9C

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River Palms 2. Um, it wasn't in 1957, but 8 to 10 years ago, we passed a bill to have a $10 million bond issue to buy riverfront property to make into parks.

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We had some big giant condos built on the river like the other one across from the street from the high school. But I remember being with a group of people who pushed for a bond issue to be made and the city to move forward when

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buying up all the riverfront property to turn into parks. So across from Mexican restaurant, there's a park that was bought under the bond issue. The $10 million, it could have been $5 million, but it turned out to be 10 million to

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buy all that riverfront property. And now you have a thing here that says you're going to fill in land, the river to build something there that I thought was supposed to be a park that I've been wondering why for all these years, Mr.

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M. Lawyer, what happened to that bond issue that that land wasn't bought like all the other pieces of property on that bond issue and turned into parks? That place should be a park, not going to be built

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on and not filling in the river. Something's not right here. Why wasn't that b not bark bought back then like the others were? And I paid more taxes for that bond issue and I didn't get my park. >> Thank you very much.

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I believe you already spoke at the first petitions and request. >> Uh this is the second, isn't it? >> Yes. And you can only speak at one of the two. Thank you. Seeing none, moving on to mayor and council reports. I just have one item

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that I brought up. Uh I put on my report, Pat Grooming Services. Uh, I think it's interesting how we kind of laid that out back in the day. Uh, with there's a pet groomer in town. I don't I don't think anybody has an issue with pet grooming. I mean, they don't kennel

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dogs. They don't treat them. They just, you know, drop them off, get their haircut, nails clipped, and and pick them up. And so there's a business owner in town who has a pet grooming place currently in neighborhood commercial, Brad told me correctly, and bought a a new building on

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commercial corridor uh right off US1 and and Harrison and it's zone neighborhood commercial and now can't go into effect there. And I think that's kind of weird when you look at it because you're like, okay, how was this able to be btred back in the day, but now it can't? and it's

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just a local business owner who if you look at the building, I think it would be really nice if it, you know, was taken over and upgraded and made to look nice and operated a business. And then the other issue you have just on the Harrison Street corridor is, you know, all those homes used to be residential.

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Correct. And now what 25 years ago, 30 years ago, city of Tyel said they're all commercial. Well, we by unfortunately our own doing made commercial zoning on residential lots. So, we created a bunch

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of non-conforming issues uh back in the day where it's hard to put in parking or the right things to actually open up a business in that area. It's almost to the point where the city basically said you can't do anything with your property. And so I just lay it before council that this is an issue with pet

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grooming and some of these zoning districts and want to see what you guys thoughts were. Remember Nelson, >> where where on Harrison are you? >> Right by Titus Landing. Right across the street. >> Oh, >> right next to an actual hair salon.

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>> That does not make sense. So I would say we need to change that. >> Member Stokel. >> That was kind of my question. And how do we how is it not allowed? Is it because we don't say the word specific pet grooming or is it is it how do we know

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it's not already allowed? >> Because we have a section of our code which I attached in my report section 28-157. You look at the zoning chart neighborhood commercial. It's not permitted. It's only permitted in RCC and some of the other higher industrial areas or higher commercial areas.

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>> Pet grooming specifically. pet grooming specifically which is different than pet kenneling or veterary service or uh shelter. >> So it's kind of interesting. Mr. Parish, >> we did look into the history of this and this has been in existence for several decades even before the restructure of

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the code in 2017 and the resoning in 1993. So it was in the previous code. So, I'm not sure how it was applied over the years or how that one particular instance that the mayor mentioned on Garden Street, which is in the same zoning neighborhood commercial, was approved. It might have been approved

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several decades before when it was allowed. I'm not sure. >> But currently, right now in prop on properties that are zoned neighborhood commercial, which is a really low intense kind of commercial zoning, very restrictive, >> a pet grooming is a prohibited use.

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Okay. >> I mean, the way I look at I think pet grooming is very very low intense commercial. You drop off your dog, they get clipped, and then you pick them up. So, >> and it says here in the Indian River City neighborhood commercial, it is

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allowed. >> That's correct. >> Okay. So, it's allowed in the Indian River City neighborhood commercial, but not in our neighborhood commercial. Okay. I feel like this is a easy one. >> Okay. the conditions on there you see for the neighborhood commercial and the other zoning district urban mixed use.

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>> Uh the only thing I would suggest is if you do want to expand this into this zoning district, do you want to consider specific conditions or make it permitted by right? Permitted by right would not have no conditions whatsoever or limitations. So I can see the only reason that they

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some conditions in there is that they you see there under Indian River City screening from view from adjoining properties. I'm not sure why other than the fact that maybe there were housing pets in certain areas and they wanted those to be screened. >> Okay.

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>> Same thing under urban mixed use. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think uh the condition number two in Indian River City U commercial zoning district. I think that's actually more freedom than what I was thinking to be honest with you because they said

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shall allow boarding as an accessory use and I wasn't thinking that we should permit boarding in this uh type of zoning district but allow uh them limited without you know 24-hour you know on-site dog care you know I think

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that made the most sense well I said my piece. It's whatever you guys want to do. >> Is there any cards on my report? No. Well, this would have to definitely come before us if council decide to take any action. >> But I do you need consensus from us? I

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guess that >> I think that's you know a motion. >> We would need direction from you as to what to do. Do you want us to draft an ordinance? >> Clean it up. That's Yeah, it feels not >> that sounds like an ordinance to me though. >> Yep. Anytime you clean up the ordinance requires an ordinance.

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Might you make a motion? >> My motion would be to clean up the ordinance and bring it back. >> Second. >> I have a motion by member Nelson, a second by member Stokal. Uh does anybody have any comments about this as it comes

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potentially comes back before us? Seeing none, um member Moscoso, >> sorry. Do we need to vote on this or is it just something we can ask Brad to look into just so that we're not doing these motions without I just looking at the attorney and she's got her light on.

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>> Well, >> oh, she the direction was to give clear direction to staff about what we wanted to do. That's why I need the motion in the second. City attorney, >> what is the motion? I'm sorry. >> Clean up the ordinance and bring it back.

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>> Okay. Um, so it's it's essentially even though we're using the word cleanup, we're amending an ordinance that hasn't been necessarily noticed. Correct. >> It has because it's on on his report here, >> but we're asking staff to >> work during the ordinance.

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>> Oh, yeah. I mean, we don't have the ordinance here to read. I just wanted to make sure that whatever it is that we're asking is properly noticed and provided to the public that we're going to take action. And usually the reports don't, but um >> yeah, we're not putting a P on that

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tonight or an L or anything like that. Just giving staff direction. >> Okay. And not using the word advisability. >> Correct. Giving staff direction. >> Thanks. >> Any other discussion? City clerk. >> Member Muscoso.

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>> Yes. >> Member Nelson. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. >> Member Stole. >> Yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you very much. That concludes my report, guys. Member Mscosao. >> Member Nelson, >> I do have a question. Um,

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I know we all were invited down to the aerospace defense training center. I think Were you invited? >> I think so. >> When? >> Yeah. I don't know what I'm doing tomorrow.

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>> Okay. The aerospace defense training center is a nonprofit. Um it's located over by the police department. They are doing um training. I got I was

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interested in it. Um they're training aerospace workers manufacturing. Um I was hoping Mr. Abate would allow us to do a one minute clip and put it on

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our website. Um, I was interested in it because as I was talking to them, they have a 10day class basically six to eight hours a day.

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They're saying that when the kids get out, they'll help them find a job. The jobs will start out at 16 to $18 an hour, but after six months, they should be making 25 an hour. And for some of

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our kids that aren't interested in going to college or can't afford to go to college, um, but need a job is is a wonderful opportunity. The 10day class is $1,500.

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So they teach them things like um 3D printing, making composits, materials, uh robotics, all those kind of things so that they can find a job in manufacturing.

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So my my request really is to Mr. day. Can we do it? >> Can we not only We'll do it. Uh we'll also make it a feature article in Titusville Talking Points, our next edition, and we'll get a report out on all our social media venues.

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>> Thank you. Thank you. And the other request that I have is Tony and Lisa Moer both talked about the lack of signage over by Bogs Gases. So

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when you come out the B bike trail, there really isn't any signage there. So, I don't know how the rest of council feels, but you sort of feel like you're in a wasteland.

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And so, maybe some extra sides would be appreciated. >> I think, you know, from the conversations we've had before, I think all of council supports that. So, it's >> just to remind you, you several months ago, you asked us to expand that

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amenities plan as you heard earlier at the CRA meeting. Yes, we did >> to include Main Street, which is outside of the CRA. So, we are probably going to submit that, I believe, into at least the cost of that into this the proposed budget.

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>> Okay, good. >> That would include the signage and anything else you're talking about along Main Street. >> Cuz I wondered because you really wasn't talking about that area. >> No. >> Tonight, >> because it it was what was what you heard earlier was funded from the CRA, which cannot be used for that area of

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Main Street. Yeah. Okay. So, we're getting an update for the rest of it at some point. Okay. Thank you. >> Yes. I believe when we had the initial conversation, we all were in support of the other side, but again, that was CRA,

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so it had to be stayed to CRA and then the ADTC. I I don't know when they might have sent me a new invite, but I was up there for their open house before they even had their CEO. It is a really amazing organization. and it's a great nonprofit that's uh trying to ch train

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the next generation of of workers here in Titusville. Member Stokel. >> Yes. Um yesterday we had our Space Coast League of Cities meeting. Uh it was hosted by Melbourne Village and City of West Melbourne. Um great presentation.

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Uh, Colonel Chapman also did a presentation during the public comment portion on um with the Blue Origin incident, what their response time was um to ensuring everyone was safe, air quality testing. It was really nice to see that update shared. And then they

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had the um chamber president for Palm Bay speak um which was one of the best presentations I've seen just talking about um making sure like our whole county and the space coast is working collaboratively as industries looking to come here. We're not competing against

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each other. We're working together to see how we can complement one another. Industry is really looking at that. And so that was good to see. And then hearing from the mayor of Melbourne Village um was kind of sad um talking

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about property taxes and what's coming to the ballot. Um she kind of shared the history of Melbourne Village um and how they're a really strong community, very small community. I think they have about 700 residents. Um but they chose to be incorporated and they and and that's what we love about Home Rule is you get

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to decide how do you want your city run? Do you want to pay extra for quality services? do want to decrease and have a little bit lower quality services. Um but basically if this were to pass, I don't think they would potentially be a village anymore. And so just keeping that in mind, um branching into the

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Florida League of Cities, there's 411 cities, uh towns and villages throughout the state. And so as you're seeing information about property taxes, it's going to impact us as the city of Titusville one way. Um and then it will impact every city throughout the state

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differently. And so, um, there'll be a lot of education going on. And I think that for me personally is that that's the biggest thing is I want citizens to make informed decisions, understanding, and that's why I like home rule so much. And I was just taking down notes of, you know, things that, you know, our community is telling us they want us to

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fund, you know, somebody to manage the tree canopy, having that coordinator, potentially having more staff if TEC does want to meet twice a month. um making sure we could have a park or a memorial. Like if our citizens want to pay for those things, they they know

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that and they have that opportunity, you know, during our budget hearings. You know, maybe we do raise taxes a little bit to have those quality services or we're able to, you know, pave six to seven miles of road or we say, "No, you know what? We don't our roads are fine. Let's scale it back and lower our taxes to pave only three." But that's that's

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the beauty of this discussion and where we have residents come and tell us where to trim. And that's that's something that I know for me personally as we go through this budget cycle is you know wanting to see from residents you know do you want us to add things where do you want us to cut if you're saying

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you're not happy with the services or you are happy with the services but we need to scale back here having those honest discussions and I hope that happens throughout the state like I said just for people to be able to make those informed decisions. >> Thank you for your report city manager

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Sir, as I stated earlier, I have no info or action items on my report. However, the city attorney has some issues to discuss. >> City attorney, you're up. >> Issues. I have two points. Uh the first one is um as indicated in my report, the

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Royal Oak uh transmittal denial, the we had informal mediation May 28th, and the applicant wanted me to present um a request to council. Uh in summary, just the applicant is requesting to present an amended site plan and amended application before council. The

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applicant wants council to rescend the previous order denying the transmitt of the proposed comp amendment. If council wants to resend such an order under Robert rules of order, any council member or members may verbally provide

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notice of their intent to make a future motion to resend the order. That motion if made at the future hearing uh has to be seconded like a regular motion and um majority of vote to resend such an order. Again, this is a request that the

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applicant made um at the informal mediation and wanted me to present this before council and and I think my report has more detail. There is another way for the applicant to bring the amended proposal before council under ordinance

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um to resubmit an application. Again, the um applicant did not want to do so because of the uh starting over the process as well as um the the applicant will be subjected to the process of public hearings going before PNZ and

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following the process. >> Thank you very much, city attorney. member Nelson. >> Well, since I made the motion, I will say I'm not going to resend it. So, um, no.

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Well, hold on. That being Hold on. Don't get totally excited. We are in the middle of a lawsuit and I think it would be helpful to have at some point I understand they

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made an offer. Is that correct? Without going into litigation matters publicly. Um they did provide a settlement letter. If it is to be discussed with council it would be at an executive session. So, I would like to see us have an executive session because

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I think it would be helpful for us to look at how strong or how weak their lawsuit is, what they're proposing. I think we need to also think about

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the condition of the storm water system in Royal Oak. I think there's a lot of things that we need to sit down and think about. Does that helpful or not helpful? It >> it's c it's at council's um discretion.

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Uh if you're wanting an executive session, I definitely can um speak with the applicant and see if the settlement offer is still on the table. Part of it was contingent on the request tonight. So again, I would have to speak with opposing counsel and get back to

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opposing council and get back to councel. Okay. So that would be my request is we meet in executive session and discuss it. >> Member Nelson, I'm assuming uh the city

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attorney will see the need for an executive session, >> correct? >> As the case or, you know, litigation unfolds. Correct. >> Correct. Yes. because again the uh settlement offer letter was contingent on whatever action council may or may

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not take tonight. >> Well, city attorney, I don't see anybody lighting up the the phone dial here to make a motion or to give an example notice to do anything at this point. Am I correct in assuming that?

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>> You're correct. >> Okay. So, we ain't taking any action on it, but you guys want to speak, I mean, we can definitely allow you to speak, but you know, again, I think council made their wishes known clear and nothing's changing with that at this

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point. Um, city clerk, you want to call the cards? >> Vicky Conlin. Thank you for those comments, Vicki Cochland. On behalf of Royal Oak Neighbors LLC, uh members and stakeholders, we request that the council abide by the unanimous vote on

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February 10th to deny the comprehensive plan amendment number two, 2025 that was submitted by Tulon Apartments LLC. That vote also directed the staff to conduct a small area study to guide the redevelopment of the area. And that study process is in full swing with

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staff, citizen engagement and professional services of a third party to ensure due diligence. So it seems that that's pretty important that that study occur and it's actively Mr. Aody has been really welcoming to us. We've met with him and there's a lot of things happening with the companies that can be

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considered. So we feel really positive about that. That's a really I don't think anything else should happen until that study is done. So, um, you mentioned that there's not going to be a resention and we appreciate that because that motion really would need to be at

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the meeting that occurred or the meeting that that was uh consecutively after that and that was February 10th. Today's June 9th. So, it seems that for the applicant to sue the city because the city refused to violate the comprehensive plan for them seems

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disingenuous. So if the applicant has a new plan, they have the option of submitting that plan through the normal processes of staff review, planning and zoning, and city council. That's what all applicants have to do. They shouldn't be treated any differently.

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>> Thank you. City clerk >> Seth Adams. Seth. >> Good evening, mayor and city council members. I'm here tonight to encourage you to stand by your previous decision regarding the Royal Oak property. The

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question before you should not be whether rescending your denial might make a lawsuit go away. The question should be whether there is any new planning, environmental drainage, infrastructure, or legal evidence that justifies reversing a decision that was

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reached after extensive public review. From what has been presented, there is no significant new evidence. The primary change appears to be just the existence of litigation only. That's the only new change to hear.

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Lawsuits should not become a tool for influencing land use decisions. If a property owner can obtain reconsideration simply by filing suit and then offering to drop the lawsuit if elected officials reverse their vote, it

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creates a a dangerous precedent. Every future applicant would be would receive the message that the path to reasoning is not through the planning process but through legal pressure. This council already considered the facts. Planning and zoning considered

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the facts. Both both bodies reached the same conclusion. The property owner purchased this land knowing its existing land use designation. They continue to have their use of the property under those existing rights. No one has taken anything away from them. Meanwhile,

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serious questions remain unanswered. Uh drain, excuse me, drainage recharge areas. uh residents still uh we need some answers about uh storm water impacts and that sort of thing. Uh there's questions resorting regarding

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historical drainage parcels, easements, and things like that. But more importantly, council should remember that you are under under no obligation to change the law for a private applicant. You are under no obligation to do them any favors. Reszoning is not

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owed. It's not automatic. It should not it should only occur when it serves the public interest. I want you I want to let you know that many residents are paying attention tonight. They're watching. Uh we appreciate the difficult position you have been placed in and we will support you when you stand by your

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principles. When you're doing the right thing, we support you. Uh follow the evidence, protect the integrity of Titusville's planning process. Please do not allow litigation pressure to substitute for sound planning. Thank you for your time.

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Thank you. I know tonight was antilimatic because there's no like motion. It's the absence of doing something that is the doing something. So, you know, city clerk >> Elizabeth Parker. >> All right. I'll do my best not to repeat

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anything anybody else has said to shorten my time. Elizabeth Parker, Torino Circle, as you know. Uh, thank you for preserving the integrity of our planning processes, respecting adopted procedures, and ensuring future decisions are based on competent,

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substantial evidence and not litigation pressure. We're all really grateful for that and the fact that you recognize this. Um, of course, we know the issue before council is not whether recision would settle a lawsuit. The issue is whether a legitimate planning basis exists to

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reopen a completed legislative action. Um, as far as I know, no new environmental, infrastructure, hydraologic or planning evidence has been presented other than um the existence of litigation and that the

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applicant has developed a new plan. Uh, but his concept plan is not a controlling issue. Council is being asked whether this property should be redesated from conservation, open space, recreation to a higher density residential use. And that decision must

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be based on the properties characteristics, not a conceptual development sketch that can change over time as we've seen happen over and over again when we resone properties in this city. Um, we already know this property sits at the center of a regional drainage basin,

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contains extensive soil 52 candler sand, recharge soils, functions as a recharge and storm water collection area, and serves as the northern feeder to the city's area of critical concern. Uh, additionally, important legal questions also remain unresolved. The recorded

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documents show that Royal Oak Development conveyed six drainage parcels to the city in 1964. And in 1965, as I addressed earlier, the recorded plat dedicated the streets, parks, canals, and drainage easements to the perpetual use of the public. And

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those dedications were accepted by the city. Uh these questions are important to resolve especially as the city is not only defending this litigation from this developer who by the way has full and fair use of the property as it was owned

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as he purchased it and is not being denied and therefore really as far as I can tell has no basis for his lawsuit. But uh there's also some litigation coming from the south end of the golf course near the area of critical concern

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with regard to um the maintenance of portions of the same drainage systems that I've been discussing. I respectfully request well I I respectfully thank council for declining to resend the final order of denial because there is no clear legal and

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planning basis to require a completion. Um sorry there is no reason to not deny this. Um, again, regarding the small area study, I'd like to see the RFP, I'd like to see it published so that more than the selected

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biders can bid on it. And I hope that it includes hydrarology, hydrogeeology, aquaer recharge, basinwide storm water function, flood storage, wetlands, infrastructure effects, and impacts and public dedications and recorded easements. Thank you, Parker. City clerk

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>> Kathleen Flynn. Good evening, council. I'm Kathleen Flynn and I live at 2805 Player Court. Uh my husband and I own a home that abuts uh the former Royal Oak Golf Course at the Eighth Fairway. We are

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concerned about potential flooding that higher density housing and small lots would most likely create. We are very grateful that the council listened to the concerns of over 120 residents who attended the meeting on February tw 10th

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and unanimously voted to deny the large-scale comprehensive plan amendment submitted by Tulon Apartments on behalf of Coulter Realy or Coulter Homes. My understanding of the rules of the city council listed in the municipal code state that if any

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reconsideration of a motion is made, it can only be made at that meeting or the meeting immediately following. The meeting in which the vote occurred was 4 months ago. Any new plan should be required to go through normal application procedures,

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not permitted to take a shortcut and bend the rules to fit the desire of the developer. for the applicant to hint that quote pending litigation might be resolved unquote in my opinion reeks of bi

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bribery not full transparency. Please follow the rules of the city council section 2-26 of the municipal code and also allow the small area study to take place before any further action

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on this property is taken. That's really the only responsible decision tonight and I guess that wasn't necessary to say that since it's not being taken tonight. Thank you. >> Thank you. City clerk. The last card is

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Earl Johnson. >> Earl Johnson. Sorry there. I'm hearing impaired. So, um well, okay. Well, with the mediation, uh, Royal Oak mediation now complete, uh, the applicant's attorney has suggested, well, at least what appears

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to me anyway, somewhat of a ludicrous action to council that really has no basis in city rules or city governments because what they've requested, if I'm reading this correctly, is that a council member should resend their vote

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as of February 10th, u 18 weeks ago. And this does not comport with any city rules. Um, and according to the city rules, in fact, uh, rule 13, which is the only thing that could possibly apply here, uh, can only be invoked at the

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meeting immediately after. So, this was like 18 weeks ago. Um, so they've they've missed the window of opportunity here in my opinion. Um, so anyway, eight council meetings have passed, not one. Um, so there are no city rules that support the action they've requested.

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Um, and the other thing that kind of puzzled me here, u according to what the applicant actually advanced, uh, that the city attorney stated, any prior decision of a council, regardless of how long ago, could be overturned or

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revisited. I mean, that's just really uh, you know, prior councils you can overturn. I mean, this clearly is this is absurd. I mean, so it to me that this is just so ludicrous that it really doesn't even merit any serious attention

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or consideration on their part. Uh, I am also a little bit surprised that the city attorney did not mention when she mentioned Robert rules of order that in the city rules, it explicitly says the city rules override Robert's rules of

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order. And that's why we have rule 13 because Robert's rules of order allowed what the city attorney said that you could indefinitely change a decision and rule 13 explicitly prohibits that. Thank

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you. >> Thank you very much. >> City attorney. Uh the next item on my report is authorization for travel to the 44th uh FMAA annual seminar in July 9th through

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11th the estimated travel cost will be $1300 and um under current policy if it's over a thousand I'm asking for um city council's approval please. City clerk.

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>> Member Nelson. >> Move to approve the travel authorization. >> Second. >> Motion by member Nelson. Second by member Stokal. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously.

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Thank you very much. >> Motion to adjourn. >> We're adjourned.