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good evening and welcome to our regular meeting of our city council for April the 22nd 2025 before we start our invocation just a a brief update on Mayor Connor's he had a back operation on Monday he's
doing well and uh he is going to try to come to our Thursday meeting which I advised him against but he's bound and determined so I'm picking him up and bringing him to the meeting i'll be driving Miss
Daisy so our invocation tonight will be given by our fire department chaplain Chaplain Brienne Robinson thank you Vice Mayor i'd like to open with just a couple scripture verses it says "How joyful are those who fear the
Lord and their delight in obeying his commands." And this is a great thing especially with the presentation earlier from the police that their children will be successful everywhere and an entire generation of godly people will be blessed we can bow our heads in prayer
father I just thank you so much that you are a God of family i thank you so much that you love to bless your people and your children i just pray for healing over our mayor may he recover quickly may the hands of the doctors uh may
their work be successful in repairing any damage that was um needing to be fixed and that he will be back in good health in a few days father I thank you for each member of this council for the time they give give them wisdom give them discernment and for every citizen
that is here trying to represent and speak um their concerns father thank you for this community and we just thank you for the way that you orchestrate order and that you are present in our midst in your name amen amen please stand for the
pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all we don't have any special recognitions
because we covered them all at our 5:30 meeting and now we'll move on to boards and commissions which the student advisory council annual report good evening vice mayor and council per resolution number
5-2023 the student advisory council must annually provide a report to city council during April that discusses issues and which presents solutions the student advisory council will also provide recommendations to their 202526 successors
the 2024 and 2025 student advisory council expresses its appreciation to Mayor Andrew Connor Vice Mayor Herman Cole Junior Colonel United States Air Force retired and council members Megan Moscoso Jolen Nelson and Dr sarah Stokl
for their continued support and encouragement we also express our appreciation to the previous city manager Scott Larice the interim city manager Tom Abbate uh Astronaut High School adviser Morgan Smith academic community enrichment
advisor Rebecca Moon Titusville High School advisor Kathleen Rios city staff liaison Emily Campbell and other city staff that provided our council with guidance in its decision-making process the th the 2024 2025 student advisory
council members include from Astronaut High School co-chair Calli Serado member Payton Redfern Vice Chair Sydney Ley and member Luke Donhoff from the academic community enrichment co-chair Julia Moon member Kaden Ramos Secretary Christina
Sims and member and member Alexis Pier finally from Titusville High School co-chair Victoria Hillary member Kaden Fig member Grace Barza and member Ava Spur in accordance with resolution number
52023 the student advisory council is to discuss research and prioritize two to four concerns or issues to be presented annually to city council with proposed solutions for further discussion or action the mission of the student advisory
council is to encourage involvement of young people in the community affairs and create an awareness of their rights and responsibilities as citizens of Titusville Florida this year the council held 10 regular meetings and one special meeting during the 2000 during 2024 and
2025 our council undertook the planning of the following projects for the following term hosted a beach cleanup at Playlanda Beach on January 12th 2025 with Canaveral National Seashore and hosted the Mock City Council on April 1st 2025 thank
you hello I'm Julia Moon i'm presenting for our beach cleanup in January the student advisory council held a beach cleanup at Play Linda Beach on January 12th 2025 the event was to develop motivate educate and activate our
community to reduce litter recycle beautify and sustain the environment and for the benefit of Titusville the council advertised the cleanup to each of its respective schools to gather outside volunteers to help the Canaveral National Seashore had some difficulty
setting a date and due to some last minute changes this event was poorly attended we have asked the ranger in charge Jav Kogan how to better this event and he gave useful feedback much appreciation to him and to all who attended and the Canaveral National
Seashore thank you my name is Cali Sado i'll be presenting the Mock City Council the Titusville Student Advisory Council is proud to announce the successful completion of its bi-annual Mock City Council held on April 1st 2025 this long-standing
initiative is designed to educate local high school students about the inner workings of municipal government foster civic engagement and provide a platform for student voices on community related issues this semester's Mock City Council was held in the Titusville City Hall council chambers where students assume
the roles of city officials including mayor council members city attorney city manager and department representatives the session was conducted in adherence to the formal procedures of the city council meeting including a public comment section presentation of proposed ordinances and to structured debate
students from Titusville area high schools participated in this session delegates demonstrated professionalism critical thinking and teamwork throughout the mock proceedings in preparation students attended a weekly planning weekly planning meetings engaged in policy research and
participated in workshops on parliamentary procedure and public speaking feedback conducted through postevent surveys reflected a strong sense of empowerment and increased understanding of local governance among among participants many expressed uh interest in future involvement in civic
leadership and community service the student advisory council extends its sincere gratitude to the city of Titusville for their continued support and collaboration on this event thank you to our schools promoting student engagement and allowing participants time to contribute in this enriching activity um the student advisory council
expresses its gratitude towards the city council the city of Titusville and all its employees we could not continue our service without your unwavering support the student advisory council voted earlier this spring on the goals we wanted next year's council to work towards the council will be holding our
bianual youth leadership seminar in the spring of 2026 with professional guest speakers and workshop activities for local high school students to learn the important quality of leadership the council also plans plans on hosting
clothes drive and lastly will begin working on a volunteering project with elementary school students as prescribed by city of Titusville resolution number 5-2023 the student advisory council must discuss and prioritize two to four concerns or issues each year for this
reason this year's student advisory council suggests the following goals be forwarded to the 2025 2026 student advisory council for their consideration and implementation um we wish to host a youth leadership seminar in spring of
2026 host a clothes drive and a volunteer project with elementary school students once again we wish to thank everyone for their support during the 2024 2025 term we wish next year's council much success thank you
i must say that I attended the Mark City Council meeting and I was wondering if you guys could just come up and take over because it only lasted a half hour which is a little different than the council meetings we have thank you so much thank you ladies
now we'll move on to the 2025 2000 no the student advisory council scholarships which I think I'm supposed to do this yes sir uh Vice Mayor Cole will present scholarships to three seniors victoria Hillary of Titusville
High School Julia Moon of the Academic Community Enrichment Incorporated and Kaylee Serado of Ashon High School who have participated on the Student Advisory Council [Applause] i'm trying to read it
that's And this is obviously you are right that's a picture [Applause] um just while we have the seniors here I was planning to make this announcement
during my report but I did want to let you guys know that I'm involved with the Florida League of Cities and Space Coast League of Cities and they have two scholarship opportunities going on right now uh the Florida League of Cities it is a quick turnaround time um and they want you to be enrolled in college this
summer and that deadline is May 1st uh Space Coast League of Cities will be a much smaller pool and I highly suggest you apply for that um that deadline will be May 16th so if you are interested in that please let Emily know um and I will get her information so you guys can
apply but I will tell you I've been a part of this organization for a while it's a it's just for Bvard Space Coast area so the pool is very small so you have a good shot at potentially getting another scholarship so I would encourage you guys to apply
okay moving on to the 2025 2026 student advisory council membership appointments per resolution number 5-2023 the student the Titusville student advisory council is comprised as follows four students appointed from
Ashard High School four from Titusville High School and four from the academic community enrichment association it is recommended that the proposed slave students be confirmed and appointed to the 2025 2026 student advisory council as selected and appointed by their
respective schools and in accordance with resolution number 5-2023 as follows from Ashon High School 12th grade Payton Redfern 11th grade Sydney Ley 10th grade Luke Donhoff and
the ninth grade appointment is pending from Titusville High School 12th grade Kaden Feebig 11th grade Grace Barza 10th grade Ava Spear and the ninth grade appointment is pending and from the Academic Community Enrichment
Association 12th grade Kaden Ramos 11th grade Christa Sims 10th grade Alexis Pier and ninth grade is pending so we need a motion to confirm the proposed slate of students
right move to confirm the proposed slate of students as members of the 2526 student advisory council second we have a motion by member Nelson seconded by member Stokel are you ready for
questions all in favor i opposes so moved thank you now we'll have uh petitions and requests from the public present on non-aggenda items just one second so everybody can say
goodbye [Applause] go stand okay all right yes okay um Dana White okay all right yes and there's something on the back too uh my name is Stan
Johnson i I've sent three letters to to to Wanda and the person I think you were here for the last meeting too right uh the one is on sustainability one is on m Mr broom uh over here our attorney and the other one is on uh the sewage spill
so um the the fraud has to do with uh some people uh uh $70,000 fraud that's against me um for a uh report that doesn't exist that was supported by um Mr mr broom and other people so the
subject I'll read the subject of this letter it says this is to Mr broom uh and and city council request for council to refuse your resignation he's resigned uh and to terminate you and avoid your pension for your participation in the $70,000
fraud as per OB 8506 page 1374 and many other causes many other causes there's a paragraph here lists about uh six other things which he was involved with are are dishonesty secrecy and lies uh and this is submitted for your for his
review and and comment so he can re comment on this uh so I'll read a little bit of this and I'm saying that I'm doing you you a favor Mr mr broom that's what I believe it is because uh exposing your dishonesty depravity and betrayal
in many in many uh regards because perhaps you will grow up and seek repent repentance forgiveness and a second chance to follow the straight and narrow path traveled by your dad and to my to my knowledge your dad and and my father
perhaps within two years you will read this email and thank me so what this has to do with is uh uh uh I have uh my my dad and his dad were were very good friends and I had made a personal oath to myself that I was going to watch
after him because because of the relationship that uh my parents had and our families had uh but this this was betrayal he betrayed us he betrayed us show that sign again this is the fraud that he's involved in and participated
in and I think it's a dirty thing that he's did very dirty and uh he's betrayed not only he's betrayed me my profession his profession please profession everything is that is that uh uh he's he's betrayed
uh I as far as I wrote in here he's betrayed the the the uh our our Peter Lord faith that we had at Park Avenue Baptist Church uh it's it's a horrible betrayal that I'm I'm
expressing this letter so uh if you don't have it you can get it from the city it's dated April the 21st so thank you and uh uh I wish you guys well this this fraud is dirty tricks that you that council has done thank you thank you Mr
johnson we have anyone else for petitions and request please state your name and your address my name is Laru Fleming my address is 1735 Lakeside Drive i believe all those in this room who have booked a short-term rental for less than three
months have done so for what one of two reasons: availability or cost i'm a Christian and I obey the law i operate a short-term rental that I've owned for 22 years in Titusville which helps to supplement my retirement i received an email from Airbnb mentioning my need to
comply with State and County Department of Revenue to get a license while ignorance is not a proper defense this was news to me having said that I immediately came to city hall to determine what I needed to do a search was done of my address to see if it was zoned for short-term rentals i was told it was not it turns out no district
allows uh no districts are allowed to do short-term rentals less than three months in Titusville which the clerk knew before she did the research in effect you have robbed me of the ability to rent my own house for less than three months what is the difference between someone renting a home for one month or
three months getting even a three three-month renters as this ordinance allows for four is next to impossible by this you will take thousands of dollars out of my pocket most of which I would spend in this town on Airbnb both the host and the guests are required to leave a review i have never gotten less
than a five-star review and have had no guests that have been not been respectful of my property my house is the best kept in the neighborhood i gave up long-term renting because renters kept trashing my house in effect hurting the neighborhood if a family of four booked the courtyard with two queen beds
in one room they would pay with taxes $1925 for a six day stay this week if the same family booked my clean three-bedroom two- bath home they would pay,62 which would you choose i have had traveling nerv nurses physical
therapists NASA interns remote workers and people coming to bury their veterans at the National Cemetery in Scotsmore i have had no issues with any of these both the states since 2011 in the county of Bvard allow these endeavors with a license why doesn't Titusville according
to the internet Orlando has 11,025 short-term rental units disney visitors do not stay three months respectfully shutting down short-term rental properties is a fiscally poor choice for Titusville tourism do tax dollars would be greatly lessened if people have to
stay in other towns because we have no room at the end i have read the ordinance 46-20007 i would ask it that you remove it from the land development regulations or remove the three-month minimum stay requirement for the same however that is
affected thank you thank you hello my name is Laura my permanent residency is actually in the country of Ecuador so I don't really have an official address here thank you for your time today and for allowing me to speak it saddens me to be here today after
losing our business to government rules and regulations that exist without considering the impact they have on small businesses so when our host asked me to asked me if I would help I didn't hesitate we stay at this Airbnb because of their attention to detail and
assurance that we have all the comforts of home hotels or motel don't offer the same services such as a full kitchen multiple bedrooms we can use as our offices since my husband and I both work online a private outdoor space and a grilled barbecue br this host even
included a darling Easter basket to welcome us to the neighborhood this visit their house is our home away from home and is by far the best we have ever stayed in and we have traveled all over the world using Airbnb we also love the area and enjoy supporting the small
businesses in the area i have bank statements from each time we have visited showing the amount of money we put into Titusville's economy from September to October of 2021 we spent $1,700 from September to November of 2022 we
spent $4,600 and these amounts are from bank statements this does not include cash i wonder if those small businesses we support would be upset to hear that we may not be able to stay at this Airbnb anymore we support businesses like
family-owned diners local ice cream shops small neighborhood boutiques mom and pop hair and nail salons and non-chain restaurants we've been here since Saturday morning 72 hours we've already spent $600 in Titusville
alone priorities need to be re-evaluated how is an Airbnb who has guests for less than three months hurting or affecting anyone in the city besides adding money to the economy why is the city micromanaging the zoning laws of small businesses like this instead of supporting and working with them while
figuring out a solution that benefits everyone we live in Ecuador for 6 months out of each year where zoning laws do not exist a dance club can be placed next door to your house and you have zero say so I understand and respect
zoning laws here however this property is not allowed dance club it's a quiet respectable Airbnb where guests are vetted very carefully i know they are since this host in particular commented on the lovely referrals written about me
by other Airbnb hosts if this Airbnb is limited to three month stays our financial support in the city will also go away thank you for your consideration and time thank you petitions and requests anyone else uh good
evening uh my name is Kirk Davis i'm a member of the uh concerned citizens community group here in Titusville uh I live at 3740 Hickory Place Drive here in Titusville and uh I think this was uh discussed at a previous meeting i'm just
want to bring this up to the attention of the city in regards to a plan to develop a deleon trail design which is going to be a shared use path that runs the length pretty much of the lean avenue and the concern that I have and
I'm sure others do too is that we need to have more input from the community about the impact that would have i don't want to interrupt you Kurt but we discussed this at the last meeting and the decision I and someone correct me if I'm wrong the decision was we we put
that aside and we said we would use the money and get citizens input to do something that the neighbor that's why I'm bringing it up again okay because there's been no uh set time or location for such meeting and I just wanted to
bring up another thing I I saw here doing my scan of this this this uh engineering uh development plan here on October 20th 2023 that's when it was dated and this is the first time I've heard of it the early part of this month
about this at all uh I know that the city has other plans in place uh to extend uh bike paths and such through this all over the city of Titusville but this particular location we just haven't we've been in the dark and that's why I wanted to bring to the attention of the
city we need to you know what monies be set aside we need to go ahead and act on that get this out and and get the input because I don't know what the time limit is on this uh got the understanding that was drawing near to that and we haven't
had any input from the community so I just want to bring that to the attention of the city okay that's all I had yeah thank you Kirk just just understand that that we deferred that and the money was going back into coffers so that we could get citizens input to determine what
would best be in that neighborhood best for that neighborhood understood i just didn't hear uh or see any uh planning ahead as far as setting up that those sessions and that's what my my concern no we'll we'll we we're'll in the process of working that now okay okay
that's all I had thank you all right thank you [Applause] dwight Sigler transparency is needed in the city of Titusville today transparency can
start by getting rid of these stupid lawsuits against the public transparency would be hiring a new police chief whoever invited Stan Rhettz Jeff
Davis and a few others to a meeting a few weeks ago which seemed like a comedy show was all set up all those people wouldn't have known to come in that particular day to
say what was said john Law retired in 2017 that was the best kept secret from the public and this city council by the
former city manager Scott Larice which gave him a sweet annual contract deal that most of you probably don't even know what's what it's all about
um that's not transparency the people elect you to run the city but it seems like Scott Larice and the Chiefs been running the
city i talked to Sarah Stoker back in at the Mo Park she had no idea that the chief had retired and that was about four years after he retired what's your job
um now you have the opportunity to hire a new city manager and you need to be hiring a new chief it gives you opportunity to start fresh and you guys get behind what's
going on because the public elect you so hired people should not be informing you of what they want to do you supposed to let them know what what what you and the citizens want thank you
Mr seagler reverend JB Dennis president of the National Action Network Cocoa Florida chapter the city of Titusville has got a reputation as being a KKK stronghold i've been up here four times
for back shooting cops i let them watch in the James Larry case i was up here when they beat up Amari Hair in handcuffs it's no big secret chief L should have been gone 15 years ago i've been up here four times under his
leadership for violating the civil rights of the citizens the city of Tyler Bill need to get a police chief from another city as a national action network we got it done in Sanford as a national action network president we got it done in Coco we got
a new police chief we got a new city manager tyler's bill need to get a city minister from somewhere else because the corruption it goes on and on and on and these voters and citizens sick of it i didn't got tired of coming up here under
Chief Lipers black people only being shot in the back we need a police chief that's going to write policies that are fair and impartial to all members of this community and I want to ask you women a question up there i know narcissists and white supremacists have
no conscience but I want to ask you ladies up there how would you feel if a back shooting cop shot one of your kids in the back and you didn't see the video for almost 3 months think about it the video need to be released of the Charles
back shooting today the mayor of this city needs to resign if Chief Lie got something on it fire Chief Lie and resign that killed two birds with one stone it done got old now it done got old something needs to change and we
tried our best to get the fest in here we done talked to FDLE if you done been in here when they tal police was taking drugs and having all this motel you locked them up on that you locked up the last when they shot uh James Lowry in the back and this state attorney I'm
praying that he locked his other back shooter that shoot people through the windshield trash from Coco that y'all hide up here on the chief it done got old it's time for change [Applause]
any more petitions and request Christina i do not feel comfortable revealing my address but I do have a question and Chief Laauo you're here you're present the question is for
you do you or do you not have authority to release the body cam footage excuse me you need to if you're going to speak you need to be facing the council
answer the question tamari Charles do you or do you not have authority to release body cam footage let me answer the question and I I've answered this question on numerous
occasions i answered it at the NAACP meeting we had right after uh the shooting and I said that the purpose of the FDLE coming in because we don't investigate ourselves so consequently it
has to can I have order please the purpose of the FDLE coming in is so that we don't investigate ourselves the investigation has taken an inordinate amount of time chief Lau
spoke with Miss Charles on yesterday and assured her that she would be the first one to see and we are hoping we we have no control okay that's great i have another question um turn and face the council or either sit down
i'm serious are you aware of your citizens being harassed Chief Lao are you aware you're laughing i told you that you needed to turn
around and face the counsel okay okay thank you well last time I was here I was talking about the different stages of grief denial anger bargaining
acceptance is coming to terms with loss finding ways to move forward displayed in city actually it doesn't even matter depression sadness
emptiness what stage do y'all think Samantha Charles is in they don't care they don't know they don't care what stage do you think the community is in [Music] thank you
i mentioned earlier that it's not up to us to release it the FDLE has to do a full investigation to make sure who the culpable person is if there is someone culpable until that's released we can't
make a statement our hands are tied okay so what about the history i'm only answering you your three minutes are up you may take your seat thank you it's very interesting that we have limits but they don't thank you
wow any other petitions in request tony Shuffalo Tropic Street i just want to point out that I did study the scope and everything of the company you hired to look for the
new city manager and I pointed out there were eight places for citizen input nobody's asked me a single thing about it yet and I realize I'm not an important citizen in this town however I would like to point out that there are
opportunities for citizen input into the selection the criteria that you're looking for um and and the management skills the identification of the management skills and styles that are appropriate and to
help assess the um different um candidates you guys can do the reference and background checks but then I would think that there would you'd want to have some citizen input more than at that last day party after you've um interviewed and narrowed it down i read
about that you know there's a party there's a social party and I certainly expect an invitation to that but I would like to see the citizens to have input into the selection of our next city manager thank you thank you
[Applause] good evening before I forget I don't know of any rule that say name and address please sure ray Joseph Gardell 32796 i'm not aware of any rule that
everybody has to face north to tell well you are now okay is that in writing where could I look at it and find it just out of curiosity the purpose of individuals coming up is to talk to city council right so if you're going to talk
to city council you need to face city council when you're talking to them okay but can you tell me where in writing that rule is i'm just curious yeah it has to do with our form of government it's a council manager form of government which means us as council we get elected we work part-time and our
job is to hire city manager who then oversees the staff so as citizens you give us feedback ideas direction then we not I only got three minutes so we can pause it but I just wanted you asked a question i was trying to explain for you
can you tell me like what section it's the form of government you look up city manager council form of government that's where the staff they report to the city manager who reports to us so they do not do it unless we give them direction to do so so that's how it works and so when the mayor's saying
that it means you need to direct your questions to us and then we have the authority to then act on that as we see fit thank you you're welcome other cities in Florida have codes that regulate the placement or returning of trash
containers behind a front setback of a dwelling or the primary building especially in residential neighborhoods the placement of periodicals and business cards on residential
property is another ongoing issue here also of which other municipalities in Florida have codes regulating placement and timely removal i've spoken about this repeatedly and how it attributes to
quality of life and many of you use the same wording quality of life all of this behavior is also blight related which has an impact on
neighborhood decline and property values we have heard of the salaries and salary demands of potential new hire personnel and this is so widespread it could be a source of
revenue i need to learn of your advisability of matching these codes as in other cities and it goes without saying i'm going to give you another 30 seconds because of the conversation that we had back and forth how about a minute 30
seconds i think I need at least a minute it goes without saying and after 10 previous meetings I'm still a victim of the noise nuisance disturbance from the excessively loud F-150 white pickup
truck in Gardenale this is detrimental to my health and welfare i've said it before I'll say it again do you have to be related to someone to get justice in Titusville i've said it
before I'll say it again you have some third world policies i've been around the world you have some third world policies thank you sir anyone else for petitions and requests please seeing none we'll move the agenda to the
consent agenda city manager yes sir we have uh consent agenda items A through I the council wish to pull any uh consent items from the agenda i see none therefore I'll go ahead and I'll read
the uh items for the record 8a resolution number 8-2025 commending outstanding students from North Bard Area Schools approve resolution number 8-2025 committing outstanding students
from north from North Bard area schools for 2024 2025 8B grant agreement St john's Basin Feasibility Study approved the grant agreement between the city of Titusville and the state of Florida Department of Environmental Protection in the amount
of $500,000 in funding for the feasibility study and preliminary engineering design report for nature-based improvements and mitigation strategies for the St john's stormwater basin 8c resolution number
9-2025 landscape trust fund adopt resolution number 9-2025 reallocating funds from the landscape enhancement program in the amount of $50,000 toward the required match for the urban and community forestry grant with the Florida Department of
Agriculture and Consumer Services and allocate $15,000 into the city of Titusville landscape trust fund 8 D florida Division of Historic Resources Small Matching Grant approve the request to submit a grant
application in the amount of $50,000 to the Florida Division of Historical Resources to update the city's history web page and explore historic Titusville mobile application through the integration of a walking tour and implement historic interpretive sign
program ae purchase of Lond University cardio cardopulmonary assist system CPR device and assorted and associated budget transfer for the fire department authorize the purchase of one Lucas
chest compression system and associated budget amendments for a total of $20,438 8f use of $400 to fund special investigations approved the use of $10,000 in $400 to fund ongoing special
investigations hg hot car thermometer and associated budget amendment transfer for fire department authorize the purchase of fire department never leave your child alone tripod hot car thermometer from Innovative Concepts LLC
for a total amount not to exceed $2,375 8h Wheel and Cloud Platform Master of Service Agreement approve the continuation of the trial period through 9:3025 and delegate authorization to the city manager to execute the agreement
upon review and approval by purchasing and contracting staff and the city attorney and 8 I memo of agreement between the Department of Homeland Security and the Titusville Police Department approved that this memorandum of agreement between the Department of
Homeland Security and the Titus Police Department okay city clerk do we have cards on individual on this consent agenda yes sir yes sir we do um we have two cards and then I also received an
additional card and I'm not sure which item it's for i I Okay so we have three cards okay we may proceed we have U Miss Tony
Shuffalo for item D tony Shuffle the historic Norwood House while I have very definite opinions on several items on this I only want to speak about the grant that the historic preservation board is putting forward um
it you know this this was a comprehensive research and documentation of the history events and landmarks within the city's historic African-American neighborhood and commercial district and now we're seeking a heritage and education grant to acknowledge and promote the legacy of
the Titusville's African-American history we're going to build on the Joinerville and beyond report by implementing a program that would look into interpretive signs signage throughout the community um we're going
to create a walking tour brochure and we're going to update our um online historic tours around the area and I'm especially proud of these projects because I've been involved with all of
them but um some of the ideas that we have and we're going to take up with the concerned citizens who are getting very active in this also um to commemorate places that aren't there anymore because let's face it most a lot
of places aren't there through urbanization and urban renewal but we want to do little things like maybe little stumble stones and the pavement that would have on this site was such and such um something that I brought up
that they told me I don't really need but is street topper signage that says that South Avenue between let's say the railroad tracks and Park Avenue anyway should have them the little tops that say that this is
Martin Luther King Jr drive there's a sign down at the 405 where you turn off a Highway 50 and there's 52 different signs and you're trying to get into one lane and avoid the people going to the gas station who sees that sign i looked for it for weeks they told me it was
there i looked and looked and looked and finally one day somebody else was driving and I saw it i still haven't seen the sign up here at this end of the street it's there you say it's there but I have I'm always driving when I'm in town oh
because my husband is um not driving in America while while black so um also he looks Jamaican he talks Bahamian poor guy i'm I'm worried about ice
thank you Tony next Stan Johnston on A B CDE E F G H and I okay Tony's going to be my Vanna White today okay Tony you can show this and
the other side too the other side too so uh I'm I'm I'm especially going to speak about A and 8E um and my name is Stan Johnston well you know that but um uh this has has to do with 6A B and C also
uh 8A is because is that um the report and what the student advisory uh received from me at this last meeting they had is this is this this this it says $100 and thousand rewards to the
people and and one of them it says you can hold that up fraud uh it says $1,000 to anyone to find the missing report the city paid $70,000 for okay $1,000 what What does that have to do with a Please what can we stop the No
we're not going to stop the clock oh thank you thank you very much you're very cruel okay i don't want to know what I don't like in other words on an item I want to know this is the same thing you did last time in other words you interrupted me you took my time i don't like what you're doing do you understand that do you understand i
don't like what's going on man i don't really care i know you don't care you take my time has to do with I You're interrupting me i want to take my time i don't appreciate what you're doing all right what keep it up okay all right now
okay all right show the other side too we have We have a dam a dam the students know nothing about the dam so I'm telling you that I just went to a meeting the last student count meeting and I told you I said "This is what I
gave them this has to do what's going on in the city the secrets exposure lies deception fraud that's what's going on." They know nothing about it and I think that it's okay that I I went ahead and gave that information regardless of what you say Mr cole regardless of what you
say you're know you're another person who who says it's okay to spray people with sewage by golly that's not right none of you are except what's her name miss McM whatever her name is so So anyway I don't I'm not pleased with you taking my time okay I'm almost
over so I'm going to go ahead to the next one 8e 8 E has to do with our fire chief fire chief I don't think we should be going giving the money like that because these guys are going nuts in other words on SNJ Oaks what they did
they approved uh for two houses and three lots they approved what they had was a wider than that they had 26t wide cleared area for private they approved a 8 foot access what does this have to do with pulmonary assist systems i'm saying
if they're doing this kind of stuff they should be looking if you had a heart attack wouldn't you want them to come and try to save you i think you're taking my time i am i'm in other words you're taking my time but you don't care you don't care you don't care not if you're talking off subject i don't care
it's not what I'm talking about is what they're doing with their money our money thank you Mr johnson you're welcome next card the last card is Kathleen Oor on I on item I thank you Dr kathleen Or Titusville
resident and really I'm just here for a little clarification and I probably should know this um but I would like to know where or how we can find more details of I because it's hard to understand what the impact is say that again the details of of I um the memo of
understanding between Department of Homeland Security and the Titusville Police Department and I'm just not sure where to go to get that information so I'm just up here simply to ask that and say somewhat it's a pleasure to have really in people here who are elected as
opposed to somebody else who's not here today but I won't say any more than that so just let me try to get I'll try to get that information to I would appreciate it thank you let let me just ask does anybody city manager do you know what
the memo of agreement does anybody have that information here readily available i don't want to put any if you don't have it we'll get it to her we can get a copy of that thank you that's all I need i don't need it this second and thank you i appreciate your
answering when I speak thank you very much anybody else for put for the uh consent agenda okay hearing none uh council do you have anything i do have a question on um the
St john's basin feasibility study i was looking at the map of the area that it covered and I don't know if we can answer this but would that take in Farra Glenn i know Baker subdivision it's in
there but I didn't know if Fairaglin Glenn was in there um I don't believe it is but we can look into it looks like it's part of it but not the entire portion there's a there's a couple basin splits on the north side
there um we can give you one that has a breakdown by subdivision if that would help okay that would be great um I got to say I'm tickled to death um about the grant agreement which is the St john's basin feasibility study because we're
looking at reversing the flow of water to the river but secondly we're looking at stopping the flooding and Baker subdivision and that's been a problem forever so thank you guys
anything else from council hearing none I'll entertain a motion move to approve consent agenda items A through I second moved by member Nelson second by member Stokal are you ready for questions
all in favor i opposes we need a roll requires a roll call vote roll call vote thank you roll call city clerk member Moscoso yes member Nelson yes vice Mayor Cole yes member Stokal yes thank
you approved unan unanimously now moving on to ordinances second reading yes sir this is ordinance number 13-2025 revoking the advorum tax abatement for Bricks Brewery Project LLC
and recovery of abated taxes and the city attorney will read the ordinance yeah this is the second reading and public hearing of this ordinance ordinance number 13 2025 i have an ordinance of the city of Tisville Florida revoking the economic development advorum tax abatement to
Bricks Project Brewery LLC and providing for an effective date okay we have any cards we have one card it's Stan Johnston okay Stan excuse me stan Johnston 860.7 Avenue and
um uh some of y'all wonder well why is this guy speaking all the time coming up here and bothering taking all our time well I'm telling you why because guys the this the city of Ty has closed doors i ask questions i don't get answers all the time all the time closed
doors on things that are going on for years stan stay on subject okay i'll tell I'll just pass okay any more cards yes sir okay council want a motion if there are no questions
yes okay i'm not seeing it all right move to approve ordinance number 13-2025 revoking the appalorum tax abatement for the brakes project brewer second moved and second questions roll call vote i got that right that
time didn't I yes member Nelson yes vice Mayor Cole yes member Stokel yes member Mus yes unanimous vote has passed item B 9B is ordinance number
14-2025 providing for appeals of boards and adjustments and appeals BA decisions to be heard by city council and this is also conducting a second reading public hearing and city attorney will read the ordinance ordinance number 14 2025 an ordinance of
the city of Titusville Florida amending the code of ordinances by amending section 3155 appeal to decision of the board of adjustment and appeals to be renamed appallet review of decision of the board of adjustment and appeals by providing that decisions of the board of adjustments and appeals may be appealed
to the city council by amending chapter 34 procedures article five variances and appeals by adding a new division 10 appeals to the city council including applicability notice requirements by amending development review procedures manual section 17.4 board of adjustments
and appeals fees providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances severability and providing for an effective date do we have any cards on this yes sir um Stan Johnston stan Johnston uh I've been here for many
years over 50 years and this is my hometown this is a a a particularly uh confusing matter that I believe should also pertain to another um committee or that we have that is like a secret
committee does anyone know what I'm talking about how about it's called the DRC the development review committee and it also is that we have some kind of a a thing in which we have now we have
I'm not sure it's been maybe for three years or so is that someone and I believe it's maybe still Peggy Bisaka she can go ahead and and uh have waiverss and um other things done without going through counsel or
without going through a and that's that's what I'm saying stand stay on subject please it's it's this is providing appeals of the board adjustment for them to come to city council rather than go to court that's what this B is about this is what the
ordinance thank you thank you but what I'm sharing with you is you're going to have the same problem with these other in other words the DRC what they're doing and what what you have a uh someone in in the city who's doing things it's just waving things
indiscriminately and what what has happened i have seen the horrible thing that has happened to SNJ Oaks it's a big deal it's a it's it's it's the same kind of nonsense that's going on but it's on an upper level now that that that uh
it's beyond it's beyond reason what what's what's happening and the and the public is being and public and citizens are being bypassed i don't think it's fair thank you okay thank you Stan any other cards um I received a card from Mr
aort too is it for this item okay okay it wasn't marked so just checking i'm writing too quickly um really this is just fast this is a real thank you we asked for this we had a really bad situation at the board of adjustment and appeals and I just want you to know I'm
really grateful that you went forward as a committee and looked into this and came up with this and I'm very much in favor of it i think always more money has more power and at least in this the citizens are having an opportunity to have a greater voice than we had before
this so thank you and I do hope you all pass it any other cards no sir member Moscow sure i just want to thank um our attorney Richard Broom and assistant attorney for um putting this together i know it was a lot of work and
you guys did it quickly and so I appreciate it and I know that the citizens um appreciate it i I do want to add just one thing to what Stan was saying the DRC I don't know if you guys know about that um I I went through one
of those and it is a bit confusing so that would be something I would love to get some education on if you guys are educated on it but it's quite interesting that um there is a board of staff that can approve variances like waving parking recommendations and
things like that um and as a citizen I just didn't know that existed and so that could be something perhaps we look at in the future okay any other comments huh
turn my lights off that's why I'm sorry me well I hate to pour cold water on this i am not in favor of changing the way we do this to me it's undercutting our board
of adjustments and appeals those guys are up there they're professionals um it has worked as long as I can remember and because of one issue we're talking
about changing it so to me we're undermining it the people that are on that board are qualified um they're making good decisions they're not making it based on politics they're making it based on what
the law says and I apologize but I watched I watched some of the meeting and I'm like I I sort of get what they didn't watch the whole thing watch the first 30 minutes
um I will say I would have liked to I would like to change the qualifications to include an attorney uh potentially environmental engineer environmental scientist on that board
um but I'm I don't like the idea of undermining our boards stole yes um I guess I don't I don't see it as undermining our boards uh all of our other boards act as advisory boards
other cities have this same process in place to me it's not a this is going to happen all the time but it's also should we need it like I don't anticipate it happening all the time but should something arise I feel like it's in the
best interest of our citizens we don't know the board makeup we can maybe have some influence as we are elected right now in the future they're all volunteers you've seen how difficult it is sometimes to get people to volunteer for our boards um and I think these
decisions do have big impacts in our community for our citizens and to me I it's not an undermining at all um I think it just gives the citizens or an applicant the potential to appeal a decision um which there's appeals
processes already in place for numerous things and so um it still has the supermajority in there i feel very confident um that I I don't think this will be abused i feel like if anything this is giving citizens a voice to be able to
just go through like a a due process if you will um so I don't really anticipate much changes honestly in the future i think it just allows our citizens to be able to appeal should they need to to those of us that have been elected
sure um yeah I would agree with member Stokal i think it is about um due process because there are there will be occasions where um citizens have um concerns about an issue and um the only chance they could have to speak would be at petitions and request and I mean these are some of them are ongoing for
two and three years and so I think um what what whatever the decision is it's just to have the opportunity to have a decision made I think is extremely important um because right now the BAA can say you know you don't have standing we're not going to hear it um and I
don't think it's undermining i agree with the other boards like planning and zoning it's all recommendations and I always appreciate having um extra eyes on things and hearing the different perspectives i have to say I agree with uh member
Nelson because this we've had it this way for many years and we've had one instance now should this happen again and come up I probably may agree but I don't think we ought to change it just
for one instance that's my opinion anybody else i I guess to that point I don't see us changing it for one instance i see that we're changing it should there be one instance now we have the appropriate process in place to ensure that citizens have that voice and
have that right to be heard um I I think that we can go back and forth on it i think it's just a view maybe a different perspective on what you feel like our role is up here as elected officials to me I feel like we've all worked really hard to become elected you go through that process people are electing you um
so I feel like that burden really should ultimately fall on us and I have a lot more I guess peace knowing that I'm doing everything I can within my power to represent all citizens and not giving over my uh limited authority and power
to a volunteer board um we are giving it a lot to the advisory boards we're still giving over to BAA they just have the right to appeal and many of them may choose never to appeal um and we can always look at it if there is an issue but I feel like to me if we potentially
are hurting one person that comes before that would like to appeal and denying them that right to get their voices heard that that doesn't make me feel good um and I don't feel like I'm doing my job any other comments from council your light is on again it's on again um
Mr broom since you did a lot of um research on this and you researched what other cities were doing would you mind um sharing a bit of that and how you you came to this i know that we there was some advisability from council but um how is it working in other cities
i don't know that I can address whether it works or doesn't but whether they do it I know I provided you with three different cities uh this council looked at those and asked that we kind of model it after I believe it was Cape Canaveral so I can
tell you there are cities I don't know how long they've done those i I didn't research that u or how often they are appealed to but I just wanted to provide you that there were those three cities I know in the county that did that might be others in the state but I did
research the county um but I'm sorry I don't I can't answer you whether they like it but it's been that way for some time okay thank you i'm try I don't know if if I can answer your question better but there are three cities that I provided you and we did model it after one of those okay and honestly for me
this one is one I I will definitely speak up on as a citizen i'm telling you it is extremely difficult and I just want you to know that that perspective of whether whatever whatever the decision is just to have the opportunity
to come up and to present is huge and so for me you know I think that is huge we need to give everybody that that opportunity okay so Richard curiosity do most cities have an appeal
to council or is it a minority i'm sorry i I I don't know the answer to that question whether it's a majority minority I I do not know i when research the county those are the three in the county I found that had that process um
Okay you know and and some you know your council is your board of adjustments so there may be some that don't have a board of adjustment that would appeal to so I I didn't research if council would like that research I'd be glad to do more research we had a limited time i I'd be glad to do that if that's
something you're interested in finding out i I would sort of like to know that it would be a good thing to know how other cities do it uh and and how they feel about it is it working is it not
working i would feel more comfortable i'm just so you know we could actually delay which is it possible that we can delay our decision until we get more
information so we can make an educated guess on the best way to go on this it's whatever council chooses to do you could choose to approve you could choose to deny you could choose to table it's you know whatever the majority of council chooses to do but you do have
the ability to do any of those options okay so I think my motion would be to table it to the next meeting the first meeting in May and let Richard get those answers sorry can I have discussion have the second a second okay okay can I get a second on
the motion to table it okay dies for no second all right yeah i I this one is if I can be very honest it's very timesensitive this is the only appeal that we've had in um I'm I'm not sure how many years i mean we saw the list it
was very very little um we have something coming up to board of adjustments tomorrow um so I mean I will respect whatever decision you make but I am just asking as a citizen I think this is a
very important process and if um you know and I think it's something Richard if we put this in would it be something that we could remove it's it's council has the authority to approve ordinances and to repeal ordinances so so say it get we feel like it's being
abused perhaps that's something that we could we could re review um in six months and so that could be part of the motion is we do it for six months and then six months we review how it's going megan I'm sorry
it sort of sounds like you were too invested in this process and this issue this standing and I don't want to hurt your feelings but you know we talk about
optics and so my question to you are you doing it because are you saying this because you're vested in this project can you step back and look at Yeah I I analytical I think if this if this goes through first of all I want it
for every citizen i never want citizens to be in that position however if it does come to council I will recuse myself because I do live on that street so I'm not planning on voting on this issue if it does come my my desire is I never want citizens to ever feel like
they have not been heard that they don't have the opportunity that is that is it and that's across the board this one in particular if it does come to council I have to recuse myself i live on that street so whether this passes or not I'm not voting on it it is for the the
citizens this needs to be they need to have the opportunity i mean I think that's what we're elected for to hear them well my question is I listened to part of the board of adjustments and appeals and it sounded
like the whole issue standing which to me is a legal issue is not um it's like being in front of a court and the court you you always have to prove you
have standing that you have a direct interest in a matter and so yeah stepping back and looking at it I'm like that's a pure legal argument so sitting here and saying we're going to
hear a denovo is great but the same problem exists you still have to prove that standing and if three of three of us four of us up here say there's no standing there's still no
standing that's fine okay i think that it's been beaten to death i'll entertain a motion on this item yep i would uh move to approve ordinance number 14-2025 providing for appeals of board
of adjustments and appeals decisions to be heard by city council i second moved and second any questions we'll have a roll call vote yes sir um Vice Mayor Cole no member Stokel yes member Muscoso yes member
Nelson no so I'm assuming that a tie vote means that it's denied it requires three votes to pass any ordinance or resolution so if the ordinance or re resolution was two to
two what then the motion fa that motion fails the motion fails okay thank you okay we'll move on to ordinances the first reading item number 10A is the ordinance number
15-2025 expedited residential building permits and subdivisions this is to conduct a first reading and city attorney will read the ordinance is somebody reading the ordinance okay i just wonder could you ask a question on the last side i want to clarify that
the motion fails the correct when an approval or deny at that point is that the motion failed and there could be another motion but again two to two and like any other ordinances or resolutions on your agenda pursuant to your code um the affirmative vote of three members shall be necessary to adopt any
ordinance or resolution I just want to clarify okay I understand okay now the first reading ordinance number 15 2025 an ordinance of the city of Titusville Florida amending the code of ordinances to create a process for issuance of residential
building permits and subdivisions prior to approval of final plat and replacing the term sketch plat with preliminary plat and clarifying that preliminary plat is now titled site plan by amending sections 30-40 tree survey required before permit 348 public hearing
approvals required 3460 conceptual plat 3492 minimum requirements application and approval 3493 additional requirements 34144 approval that chapter 34 procedures article 3 subdivisions division 5 plat
subdivision 1 sketch plat conceptual plan is renamed preliminary platt conceptual plan and amending section 34151 procedure and by creating sections 34153 submittal procedures amending subdivision 2 preliminary plat site plan
to be reame site plan and amending sections 34161 preliminary plat definition to be renamed site plan definition and amending 34162 submittal procedures 34163 required exhibits and 34164 review procedures and subdivision
3 final plat sections 34171 definition 34172 procedure and 34173 required exhibits by amending chapter 34 procedures article 3 subdivisions to create a new division 9 procedure for issuance of building permits prior to
approval of final plat sections 34174 purpose 34175 procedure 34176 required submills and exhibits 34177 construction 34178 procedure isuance of building permits prior to approval of final plat
34179 final plat and 34180 recording of final plat required amending sections 34201 recording of final plat required 34214 application classifications and review schedules and 371 definitions and by amending development review
procedures manual section six master plans 11 sketch plat to be renamed preliminary plat 12 preliminary plat to be renamed required submitts for expedited permitting for residential permits prior to approval of the final
plat 14.5 site plan required exhibits and 17.2 2 land development fees providing for grandfather provisions severability repeal of conflicting ordinances incorporation into the code and an effective date okay Brad can you give us cliff
notes i'll refer you to page 199 and 200 of your packet starting on that first page 199 illustrates the current process we have in the city i do have those slides available uh where media service
can bring them up on the uh screen so just a synopsis that you see if you probably recall pre previous p uh presentation I gave you several meetings ago about our platting process it's a three three-step process where first you have a pre-application meeting with our
staff and then you formally submit to us what's called a sketch plat it's a very detailed concept plan to us laying out the subdivision entranceways that gets approved with recommendation by PNZ approval by council the second step is a preliminary plat that's an administrative process
it's uh conjoined with our site plan which is process which is the full engineering drawings and then the third step is a final plat and that comes before uh planning and zoning with recommendation to you for final approval and acceptance and then it becomes a
recorded document formally subdividing land on the next page 200 of your packet is the new process with the required um steps that are outlined in the new in
the statute uh basically pre-lication meeting will still be required the first step now instead of being called sketch plat will be called preliminary plat but it's basically the same thing you're providing to us a very detailed conceptual plan second process will be that uh site plan engineering drawings
which is an administrative process and then the final step would be that final plat again with your acceptance the option to the applicant is if they would like to have half of you know up to half of their lots to have a building permit
issued to them prior to final plat uh which we have to include in our our code by October of 2024 a little late but then they have the option of going up asking for up to 75% of their lots to have to be able to have a building
permit on them prior to final plat which we have to have in our code before uh 2027 this ordinance will address both those uh they go through that option they will have to provide to us a lot of detailed information upfront so
basically they'll give us the concept plan the preliminary plat and the uh site plan up front which then you will see basically you'll see three documents uh you will see the uh preliminary plat
uh master building plan which is basically a a sheet really that identifies which lots that we have negotiated with them as to which be appropriate to be go ahead and get building permits on prior to final plan and I believe they will see a
um where's one other item master building permit review which I mentioned so there's really two main things that you'll see um and if you'll see on that screen there that that um box there in the top right of the corner preliminary plat and master building
plan to the planning and zoning and to city council with applicant acknowledging the risk so what they're going to see Oh excuse me next slide please i need to do that thank you i thought I was going blind there for a minute and I have the glasses on too um
page 200 of your packet you'll see there if you can't see it on the screen in the top right it says preliminary plat and master building plan to the planning and zoning commission and to city council the applicant should acknowledge the risk what that means is they would at this point we would have approved their
site plan as consistent with the code it comes before you if for any reason you see there's a need to make any changes to that the applicant needs to acknowledge the fact that it's a possibility may have to go back and go through another review to make those changes consistent with council's
request or conditions so that's the risk um otherwise the process is laid out here where they'll be able to receive building permits for up to 50 or 75% of their lots prior to final plat okay
thank you uh any questions from council on this one this is a is a first reading so uh city clerk are there any cards on this one yes sir we have three cards the first one is Dan Johnston stan Johnston I'm going to try not to be interrupted by someone who doesn't know
what they're talking about that's Mr cole well there's someone standing up at the podium that I'm taking my time right now yes I am i know you are go for I don't like what you're doing because okay this is a very important issue and the problem is is I want you to understand even though we have an
architect in front of us is that I'm showing you a one sheet of a site plan with numerous red red lines of over 40 problems with this accepted approved site plan i want you to understand as I
as a professional engineer who have gone through many subdivisions and site plans with the city of Titusville as a professional engineer and also as a as a land surveyor i have done this and I can't see I have have I have never complained that I know of to the city or
Bard County or other counties of of needing to expedite my plan because it's being too slow never have I done that and I've got numerous plans so I'm not sure what you're doing because right now I think that Brad Parish doesn't know
what he's doing this is an example of it i want you to know is when when when when I review plans like this there's no red lines left on it no red lines now what in the world is going on like for example in this case is the
city of Titusville has approved a survey that is disapproved by the state board that is disapproved by many things that I have I brought to your attention and even dis and even Mr parish and uh knows
that that the survey is has a three-foot bust in the rightway of Elizabeth Avenue and yet they're still building on it i want you to know is that is that the third city has a survey of this of this very area and the and across the street
is is a minor plant approved by the city that has a difference in angle measurement for this for this property of of 36 about 36 minutes do you know how much that is if you go 100 ft sign of of 36 minutes you come out with about
0.1 it's other words it's 1% off i go 100 feet I'm off a foot i go 400 feet I'm off four feet that's what we have in this project right now we have a fake survey they can't even find the survey corners i talked to the surveyors doing
that he says he can't find them but yet it's approved by the city and they're building on that this is a multi-million dollar project and I can't believe that the city is is approving construction without a valid survey this is what we have and what I have happened when I was
with the Bvard County is the si the county approved the final plant and then the roads weren't constructed in Fawn Fawn Lake so the the the county paid thou over $100,000 to pay pave the roads
thank you Mr johnson you're welcome any other cards on that item yes sir tony Shel Tropic Street i I appreciate Mr parish's um explanation i think this is something that's coming down from the state
legislature and that we're trying to be proactive Brad and getting in front of it is that why what this is all about may I ask the deadline for us to have adopted this or have this in effect was October of 2024
so we're a little behind oh oh we're not being proactive we're being catch up well there were just a couple of things that caught my eye and and I would like to have further clarification and understanding about what it all is because this preliminary plat and site
plan definition and and changing this it's more than just verbiage and what I know about the thing coming down from the state legislature is that it's no good for the resident citizens of the state of Florida it favors the
developers and that's what it's all about why they want to expedite the permit and there's things in here that just should scare you procedure for issuance of building permits prior to approval of final plat prior to approval
of what they're finally going to do you're going to already be building oh well okay um permits prior to approval of the final plat it's in here a couple of times the one thing I did like was tree survey required before permit but I'll bet that's going to be negated and
not to be um part of the plan that they have to do the tree survey so I just think this is as scary as many of the other things that are coming down the pike and coming out of the state legislature that are bad news for the residents i don't understand why people
like Randy Fine and these other guys that are elected time after time i don't understand why they hate their constituents so much i just don't get it i don't know why the constituents keep voting for them because they keep
passing legislation that favors developers and I'm scared of this i think it's wrong and I understand there's nothing we can do about it except vote oh yeah another four years
everything will be built over already thank you Tony do we do we have any more cards yes sir the last card is Elizabeth Parker elizabeth Parker Trevino Circle um I would disagree with the
statement that we are behind uh this in fact we have missed the deadline for the 50% we are now looking at the deadline for the 75% which is in fact the 31st of December 2027 per paging of the bill CS
SB812 which is on page 190 of your packet so that's that's the first thing um and it will allow 75% approval ahead of the final plat um however I must state that in
reviewing some of the packets that have been provided to the city with preliminary plats or sketch plats as they're called they are wholly insufficient to what is required according to this bill so if you look at uh platting on page three and page four
it provides a very specific list of items that must be identified in the plat before it would be considered a preliminary plat which could be approved to allow them to pre-build 75% of the homes and then hope
that they will in fact meet the final plat additionally there is a requirement that the easements and utilities have uh a guarantee of 130% so they have to
buy a bond they can't just go ahead and build without meeting that gate as well i think we should not rush to put this ordinance into place because I don't think we really understand what this ordinance is and simply changing the
terminology from uh conceptual plat and sketch plat to preliminary plat does not necessarily address the needs of what is being handed down by the state nor does it meet the needs of the citizens of this community uh
further with regard to our approvals I have never seen a requirement for uh the master building plan to contain elevations quality of build or the blueprint of the proposed dwelling types
demonstrating with a drawing an image or any other way for the city to have any understanding what it is that the master building plan truly is going to build so I would ask that the city make sure that those things are incorporated as they go
forward because it's very important to the existing communities that the new communities bring value to our city and do not degrade the value and quality of our homes thank you thank you
are there any more okay uh this is a first reading so there's no vote so we'll go on to item B ordinance number 16-2025 school zone speed enforcement
program and this is a first reading city attorney will read the ordinance i also want to verify with the clerk my ordinance says 162024 that should be 162025 is that correct yes an ordinance of the city of Tisville
Florida amending chapter 20 of the code of ordinances by adopting a new article 4 entitled school zone speed enforcement by adding sections 2070 through 2080 by providing for purpose intent and definitions establishing a school zone speed enforcement program and
authorizing use of speed detection systems within the city providing for program implementation requirements and designation of school zones providing for enforcement and administrative procedures providing for severability repeal of conflicting ordinances incorporation into the code and an
effective date are there any cards on this item we have one card it's Stan Johnston okay uh Stan Johnson I I believe uh correct me if I'm wrong is this has to do with what was presented tonight very well by their police department yes and they did
a fantastic presentation i thought it was I I just thought one one of the very best ones they they've ever done it was very well worded and I just just very pleased with it so um um I'm I'm not against this and uh it looks like it's
it's a good idea and u even though I've taken your precious time thank you this is also a first reading so there's no vote to be made and we'll move on to item C item C is a resoning number
4-20224 Verona also known as Willow Creek master plan amendment and it's another first reading and city attorney will read the ordinance ordinance number 17 2025 an ordinance of the city of Tusville Florida amending ordinance number 6 2024 by amending the master
plan of the plan development PD zoning district imposed on approximately 638 plus minus acres of property located west of Gryom Parkway east of Challenger Parkway South State Road 407 and Interstate 95 at the western terminus of Willow Creek Boulevard having Boulevard
County partial ID numbers 23 35 09001 2335040023509 YR B.10 and 233510B-1 179 providing for severability repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing for an effective date
do we have cards on this one yes sir for um Stan Johnston um this is uh this I believe is M Mr honeyut am I correct mr honeyut uh I want you to notice on this project
Willow Creek is that u I've been following it some for probably about the last uh oh at least eight years and I don't believe I've ever known a time you correct me if I'm wrong is that they've asked for an expediting that they've
complained that the city was doing them wrong i don't believe they ever have and they're moving along well uh I think they're doing a good job and notice down at the bottom it says PNZ has approve has approved with some conditions seven to
nothing it appears to me that Mr honeyut and Associates is doing a good job they're not having these problems that that a bunch of other people are complaining about they don't need to have all this expeditation and so I I didn't pronounce that correctly i'm
sorry but uh uh y'all don't have to listen to this much longer but but but understand is that I'm not pleased with at least 10 requests from for phone calls to council and CRA and only one
person has responded closed doors still what do you call them stonewalls thank you okay it's a good project any other cards city clerk mr honeyut is
here if you have any questions well probably next week after two weeks this was a first reading no vote so uh we'll Any questions from city council no uh so
we'll move on to all business item 11A is the fiscal year 2526 community development block grant program funding recommendations and the recommended action is to approve the funding recommendations for fiscal year
2526 CDBG grant program year at an estimated amount of $37,980 and Terry Franklin of neighborhood services is here to provide a presentation okay Terry you're
up okay um this is your uh three-year plan for our SHIP program known as the state housing initiative partnership uh grant program and then just have a brief presentation
on the outline of the LHAP um so the purpose is to provide regulatory information information on the LHAP it will cover the year state fiscal years 2006 through 2028 and there's a resolution to adopt
that LHAP uh we went over this earlier at the presentation meeting these are the guidelines for the set aside requirements in the SHIP program and you'll find those in the LHAP as we go
through it section one of your LHAP outlines the administrative parts any partnerships that we propose leveraging the resources the budgets for the three years regulatory compliances and efforts
to reduce homelessness homelessness section two of the LHAP will be where you find the types of strategies that we are proposing over the next three years it outlines to the state the applicant
selection criteria and any sponsors or developers selection criteria section three of the LHAP is where we list our affordable housing incentive strategies those are the one that your affordable housing advisory
committee recommends to council and those that council has adopted and the final section in the LHAP is where all your exhibits lie and that will be our administrative budget the timeline for estimated incumbrances and
expenditures which is outlined um Oh I'm sorry i brought up the wrong you're doing item 12B i believe we're on item 11 presentation i started with the presentation
i couldn't find the resolution well if we could finish that and then we'll just It's okay to switch it around isn't it i mean since she's already started yeah we'll just we'll start with start back where you start with the old business got it okay so there's no
presentation for the CDBG funding recommendations uh your item 11A okay um this is just a followup to the December 3rd meeting where uh we had the RFP
process and and community input for uh the funding recommendations i'll just entertain any questions you have on those recommendations okay are there any questions from the council are there any cards on this one yes sir we have um two cards the first one is
Miss Tony Shuffalo tony Shel Tropic Street i've been following this for quite some time several years and I I told Terry that I'm here tonight not to speak ill of the CDBG but to support her yes we
definitely appreciate and want these grants but on behalf of the concerned citizens I would like to say that everything that we wanted to do with the CDBG money Miss Franklin told us well HUD won't allow
that so it was quite a dilemma and we don't see much of the things that we wanted in this final document which is this one right here just this little part um however the neighborhood the community
needs a lot of attention and we want it and we don't want it in the gentrification that's coming with the West Titusville Chemhorn vision for Titusville um overlay that they want to do that's
coming before you eventually and and you'll begin to realize why I've been speaking against it so much because it's very detrimental to the to the neighborhood and the neighborhood i'm going to let the concerned citizens speak for themselves but to the CDBG grant money I'd like to say um that we
hope that that the paving of the streets with this money this year is um somewhat of an improvement although it's not what we want we want the houses rehabbed we don't want them torn down
blight means destruction demolition blight means demolition we want rehabilitation we want the houses brought back up to um code and pretty standards and we want development we want infill we don't want
quadruplexes and four and fivetory buildings because the neighborhood is mostly you know we have some apartment buildings but but they're small scale and scale and rhythm of a neighborhood of a community is what I'm striving for
and the CDBG money um wow we need it we want it we would like to have more input in how it's used and I understand it's not Miss Franklin it's coming this is coming from the federal and and I'd just like to say
before my time is up that I'm very familiar with working with CDBG money i was instrumental in in getting a closed uh school building in Little Five Points in Atlanta Georgia that was converted to a community center and an art studios my
juggling club is still there um it's very successful and still up and running and we did that with CDBG money so our neighborhood wants to have instead of paved streets we want to have a food pantry again so I know these kind of things can be done but congratulations
Miss Franklin thank you Tony any other cards stan Johnston we do have a card from Lynn Golden as well hi I'm Lynn Golden uh president of the concerned citizen group and first of all
I would like to thank the concerned citizen group for coming tonight a lot of them had to leave because they have families and they have jobs so they had to go home tonight uh normally we meet with
Terry on a weekly basis now we meet with the concerned citizen group before we meet with Terry we come together with our advisory boards we have a lot of professional people on the board and I
have given out projects that they would go in the community what we have discussed come back and bring the feedback to the group first then we begin to talk about it and then we call Terry and see what her schedule is to
have a meeting with her so we're doing that on a weekly basis now and the other thing is that um we are we have a lot of things on the agenda for the CBG money uh target areas
so I wish not to discuss that until I get with the group and then when we get with Terry then we bring it back to city council and then you can approve or we can advise why we chose to do these things at that particular
timing so that's what I'm doing and everyone Susan Pender moved back from Texas she's been in the neighborhood she moved back to her mom's old house and I gave her a
project she has done her assignment uh Clarence Horn he comes to meeting to help when I can't make it on Tuesday uh we have Mr rodel Ray and Miss
Wendy Houston is on like some of the ship program with the housing to go around in the neighborhood and see what we need to be done and so we're on some projects and so we'll bring them back to you after we have the meeting with Terry
and then we we'll negotiate what we need to do at that particular timing amen okay uh can I Lynn can I ask one of the projects riding around the neighborhood i thought of one was that area on
Sycamore Street where apparently we need a fence mhm and I also thought about parking for Bllandon Park um you know the new playground equipment's there the they've redone the basketball courts but
if you want to go there with your kids there's no parking mhm um so that was one of the projects I thought about and I didn't know how how you guys felt about okay some of these things that you like Kirk tonight brought up yeah we
were not aware a aware of that uh trail i think Terry was not aware at that particular time and it hit emails or city council put it out and people were calling me from different community groups what's going on so I said "Well
let us have a meeting." My understanding it was can at that particular timing and then I will call a meeting with the community so they can be able to discuss what they want about the trail and those that lives in those areas where the
trail is supposedly be planned then those people can come back and address the issue because a lot of time people may not want that in their neighborhood with a lot of traffic or people riding bikes and so so there's a lot to be
considered about this uh program i'm just asking you consider that project also see what you guys think about it yeah well that's going to be on the agenda our next meeting and we'll get back with you okay okay thank you any
other cards the last card is Stan Johnston stan Johnson i I've uh I always worked for the city I think 2001 through 2008 and uh I work worked with uh Terry and uh I've seen something that uh I'm
really pleased that we have her we're lucky to have her just I told you about Mr cook he's incredibly qualified and and and does so much good for Terry has also and Terry as far as I can see is she's been persecuted at times because
she is so good to the people you believe that i believe it i was arrested for for uh for checking on a sewage spill so anyhow uh she's uh she's weathered she's
weathered some hard times and uh thank you Terry for being here and she's doing a she's not doing a good job she's doing a very good job so thank you Terry thank you Stan any other cards uh council do you have any questions
can I pro provide some clarification before your discussion so um on these funding recommendations um there's three activity groups that uh the funding will be in the action plan so what we're voting on tonight is to
provide funding recommendations to these groups so that they can be in the CDBG action plan for next year we have to be specific in the action plan of what we're doing with the funding we can have some flexibility in the language so that
it covers um multiple activities but there's basically groups so for public services um we're requesting to fund uh four agencies at
45,000 and then your next group is your infrastructure and um other program activities and this is for the year four of the uh neighborhood revitalization plan that was developed with the community and after two meetings with
their group we have a list here of their request um and they're listed in their priority order and that was lighting improvements sidewalk improvements blight removal public facilities which
can include city-owned facilities or nonprofit owned facilities that provide a service to the community and then last on the list is street improvements if there's any additional streets after the others are considered
and then um your third group is your administrative group for the uh neighborhood services department to administer the grant so those are the three groups um that we are will use this information to finalize in the CDBG
action plan at the final public hearing in May okay thank you Terry any any questions for Terry hearing no questions i'll entertain a motion move to approve the funding recommendations for fiscal year 2526
CDBG grant program year at an estimated amount of 307980 second moved second questions all in favor i I
opposes so move you notice how I looked i wasn't sure what I was doing now we go on to Terry we'll go to B okay b item
B 11 b is the housing affordability study and uh Brad Parish here is is here to answer any questions and receive your direction regarding a housing affordability study and the use of budgeted funds in the amount of $90,000
he has a presentation i don't have a presentation on this one but just a a summary of what's happened in the past I guess nine months started and I wrote a little history about the actions of this item uh we do have council did give us direction to go forward and do this
study we solicited requests for a vendor we selected a vendor and a contract was brought before you which then at that time you decided not to go forward with and then there are subsequent meetings after that where there was some discussion but we have not received direction from you so what I have here is a
recommendation on page 498 of your packet the funds are budgeted to do this study that is an affordability housing study um the last time this was brought up before you you discussed the option of you discussed the uh question about CDBG and HUD and
HUD had recommended that we do a uh affordable housing study which I believe we will have partial funding for available next year but it won't be full funding for it so the request to you is to one either go forward with what was
originally um approved which is to utilize the funds as budgeted to develop a housing affordability study the previously approved scope which is attached in the agenda is for a study that may identify several options to address housing affordability issues in the city including an inclusionary
housing regulation andor linkage fee and I did state here that an inclusionary housing regulation will require the city to approve an offset for the construction of affordable housing units in a new development and a linkage fees requires a study to determine the appropriate fee so it could include
several recommendations including those two types of of regulations if you so decided to adopt something like that after a study is shown to you uh it include a variety of other recommendations potentially the other option is to allocate the funds which are currently budgeted right
now but just use it for other means and then uh allocate funds for fiscal 26 in that budget to supplement the CDBG housing affordability study and include the same scope of work or other direction that you're desired okay are
there any cards on this item one card stan Johnston stan Johnson I I I I don't like to interfere with what's going on here but but $90,000 for a study uh boy if we could give that humanity Habitat for
Humanity or something else then uh that would probably be a better place to to look for advice and and so forth on this habitat for Humanities has just cut cut costs crazy at times and done a fantastic job and also the Titusville
Housing Authority although they're not selling homes but it seems like you could get some good advice from them i think that $90,000 for a study how could you spend $90,000 on a study on a housing i mean everybody else is doing the same thing how can we do that spend
$90,000 on a study i don't get it but maybe it maybe it makes sense but it doesn't I have questions i just have doubts about it so it's it's too late i guess what I'm saying is probably too late thank you any other cards on that yes sir uh
council uh member Moscow I'm sorry member Stoko yes um I was just looking at the history of this because I know we talked about this before um and to clarify I think we did not want to move forward with it we had other priorities and then I do see
your note in here where they strongly recommend you have a study if you're going to receive funding so are you saying are you recommending that we do some type of study or we will strongly be in jeopardy of losing RC DBG funding that would help me to make a better
decision so when you're preparing uh for your five-year consolidated plan in the CDBG program HUD requires us to include in that plan data that involves uh housing
stock um the condition of the housing stock the housing market um any areas where it affects the affordability of housing for our citizens and the only way we can get that data is through a study um not
having a study would what what that would in turn cause us to use is old data from the last 5-year cycle so you may not have current data that will allow us to build into the plan to address current issues um would it not
doing a study affect funding no um but it would allow us to to have accurate data so we know that the plan is affecting um current situations when how old is our last study that we do have is it
five years uh oh it's like 15 years old 15 years okay um Okay and that's honestly where I'm kind of conflicted on this i I just think that we have other priorities and I even had made a note like we already
have live local happening at the state there are already things in place to kind of help with our affordable housing issues at the time for the time being and even as we have the concerned citizens here we're thinking about other initiatives that we're wanting to do we're kind of in transition right now i
would rather not utilize those funds um at this time until we kind of have better direction and we're getting ready to start our budget process on Thursday with our strategic goals um so this to me is just not a high priority i think there are already things in place I feel like that are moving forward to help
with this um so that's kind of where I'm leaning right now moso sure i I feel like we do have a lot of um national and regional data from HUD that perhaps we could look at and to help us get a better understanding is it
possible to look at what other cities um nearby are doing have any of these cities done a study recently um I mean I know that that's not Titusville but perhaps we could look at what they're doing and seeing if some of the trends would be similar to what's happening here in Titusville um and then also my
my second question would be is there an additional cost for the in for the studying of inclusionary zoning or are those two separate things like could we study spend part of the money for studying affordable housing and then let's say the other 30,000 was for for
inclusionary zoning the last time we did this study with um in neighborhood services correct me if I'm wrong was about $30,000 and that was 15 years ago so if we try to do the base study that they did last time it probably be I would estimate $40 $50,000
based on u the costs of doing these kind of things now the additional costs we estimated in there we we plug that into the budget mainly because of the two other portions of that study which is inclusionary zoning and linkage fee to do a linkage fee you have to have a study anyway regardless an inclusionary
zoning you don't necessarily have to have a study you just have to have a means of offsetting it but a study will help you figure out what that offset is so that additional funds we estimated to be in added into the budget on top of a base affordable housing study based on
what we saw other jurisdictions do when they were doing conducting the same thing so the we as we budgeted what we thought would be the amount necessary to do a base study plus these two addition to it of looking at linkage fees and
inclusionary zoning and determining offset at $90,000 that was approved in the budget the bid that we received was for $76,000 now what Terry has told me earlier today is that they may have some funds available off the budget this year
of about $15,000 to be able to help with that uh next year I I'm not sure what that might be next year is kind of a guess right now depending on how CDBG is funded so if you do decide to go forward with
it next year or maybe even just a base study without looking at inclusionary zoning or linkage fees at all just doing what is necessary to meet whatever HUD is maybe requesting um you even her funding may not be enough to supplement we're still going to have to use partially general funds
to help supplement that that study okay thank you member Nelson thank you i think the reason we looked at a study was because we were looking at inclus inclusionary
zoning or the linkage fee and so when we got the original quote we we sort of went wow uh but at the same time you know the live local act was coming down and so we were like
that's providing the affordable housing we hope um so I think that's the reason we didn't go forward on this study but I agree with you guys i hesitate to spend this much money on this
what are the pros and cons if we spend it what do we gain if we don't spend it what do we lose i guess simply put I I'm I'm swayed also about it because there's so many other things we could spend the
money on so basically what what do we gain by doing it i know we would have a more up-to-date study and we wouldn't have a study that's 15 years old but aside from that is there anything else
that you feel would be of positive value the last time as Terry said the last time we did this morning was 15 years ago uh and I'm sure that data was probably based on that study was based on data that was a year old in itself so we just have a lot of out our data right now is outdated as far as specific to
Titusville and the housing stock and the needs and the trends going on so that would help us if we had something that was more up to date help her department it would help our department as far as land use and planning so more more up to date and
more accurate data is always helpful if you go with the base study basically it generally helps her department um and it could help us too with the um affordable housing um advisory committee and their recommendations to
you in the SHIP incentive plan which includes a lot of recommendations that may if you recall include things such as trying to find ways to um reduce impact fees um reduce parking requirements all these different strategies that we could consider changing our code or coming up
with programs to make it easier for people to be able to afford homes and create new affordable housing units you you say the base plan are we talk still talking the $90,000 or is the base
pan plan less than that so again I would estimate if we did the same studies we did 15 years ago you're probably looking at about 40 to $50,000 minimum honestly to do that kind of study uh what we added in there was based on what I saw other jurisdictions
do related to evaluating whether it was a good idea or not to do an inclusionary regulation and a linkage fee and so I estimated an additional 40,000 to be on top of that just to evaluate that the bid we got back though was for
$76,000 that's significantly less than what we budgeted in addition from Terry from what I understand she has some available funds right now to help supplement that out of um CDBG of about $15,000 so that reduces the amount that
we would need to take from the general fund today that's this year's budget yeah and um if I may the the study is more about the affordability of housing not so much about affordable housing
development uh I just want to differentiate between that uh we use the data from these studies to realize the burden cost on our citizens to to make their homes affordable that they may already own um so there's a lot of the
data out of these studies that go into that you're making it hard aren't you this is splitting the baby oh sorry about that minimum yeah I would say I I do think 90,000 or the 70,000 would be excessive but I I would be okay with the
base um affordability study and also with the 15,000 that could go towards it that would bring the number down to a more reasonable number that could also help with HUD and then the data that you guys have member Nelson in legal terms that's
splitting the baby yeah so Rich it's true rich is laughing richard can we I can we make a motion i would uh move to Vice
Mayor um Cole we did get one additional card on this item okay um Dwight Seagler dwight Sigler there's no area in Bvard County that has spent more CDBG money than East
Mims we've we've torn down over 70 wooden homes and rebuilt them in concrete block and we doing rehabs for $35,000 and bringing them up to code and you guys gonna spend $30 $90,000 to do a
study you can study the whole goddamn county for that amen this is ridiculous y'all throw money away like it just you know hey throw it away it don't it don't matter
$90,000 we don't we we do our own studies and if you haven't been there drive through East Mill you see we I I'll take you on a tour but you show you all the progress we've done from from water lines to fire hydrants to
gymnasiums and all of this and you guys can't even manage $300,000 you want to take 30 $90,000 you can you can rehab three houses and tire of
that come on now amen wake up vice Mayor based on what I'm hearing it sounds like um that you're looking into possibly just doing what you necessarily need to
do which is a base study basically would not include an analysis of linkage fee or or um inclusion or zoning and then to budget that um it looks like then it would be for the fiscal year 20 26 cuz that's when we would necessarily need to
do it anyway i I don't want to speak for the council but it almost seems like that's the consensus that we have yeah I would I would say so depending on on that cost i'm just not in favor of the 90,000 i feel like I mean even if you look at the history of Bvard
typically Titusville we trend more affordable than any other place in the county so I think if we were living in a we had different statistics for our city um and this was we really needed to focus on this and had an issue I' i'd feel differently but right now this is just not a priority for me i'd rather
see us spend those funds differently so why don't we proceed with a motion i'm not sure what the motion would be i think member MCoso might have it you might need to help me out so I I
move to approve a affordability study uh a base affordability study um and request to use the $15,000 for the year 2026 budget will that do i would suggest then to provide more
flexibility we can propose the fiscal 26 budget with what you're what we're what we're hearing from you you're basically asking us to see if we can utilize available funds from CDBG but propose in the budget any supplemental funds from the general fund just to do a base study
yes for fiscal 26 and that would be proposed to you in the budget which you could give us an estimate roughly of how much that would be including the 15,000 so I would estimate a um again just a base study without the analysis of linkage fee or inclusionary zoning
probably be about $40 $50,000 and so if there is $15,000 available estimated for next year what Terry said she's not she doesn't have those numbers yet we'll ask for the the difference and propose that in the budget to you city attorney does
member Muscoso's motion could that stand at reflect what we want we don't have a second yet so yeah I believe her motion was to conduct a base affordable study which I think she's
going to would want to clarify that is not include linkage include linkage or inclusionary zoning yes and the only other clarification may be um 2026 no money okay so Brad do you
want to assist her in You could just say the motion for me that'd be okay so you just want us to budget this base study for the fiscal year of 2027 yes it's a budget the base study for 2026 thank you okay we have a motion is there a second second and discussion just one
more comment no yeah and just to clarify so this is giving direction to the city manager to build that into the budget which we will still have room during our budget process as we're going through things to say hey maybe we'd rather we were seeing unfunded items maybe we want
to shift some funds so we're giving direction to build it into the budget but we could still have throughout that budget process the flexibility to change certainly we'll include it in the city manager's proposed budget which is due at the end of July and obviously in the workshop in August you can confirm or or
modify that as council wishes okay okay everybody understand the motion in a second all right any other questions hearing no other questions uh all in favor say I i opposes so moved uh
interim city manager salary consideration i thought you were doing this for free uh I'm going to defer to our HR director to discuss that okay he was hiding back there i'm like where
is he good evening vice mayor members how how are you um I'd refer you to the memorandum that's in your packet that we prepared for you we were instructed to um agree to a um a salary consideration
for interim we did a uh a market peer study and you see that result um so what the interim city manager agreed upon is less than that average
less than the former city managers pay um and uh it will create a savings uh in the uh former city manager administration salary account and where
the support services with Mr uh Bate's former position will actually be frozen and there won't be any salary coming out of that position so I think all around it's a very favorable uh
consideration for you okay are there any questions for from council of course thank you i actually if it's okay I just want to read something an email I got um just to get it out here
um it says the city human resources director lists certain cities as our target m market peers and I would respectfully suggest some of the cities are not peers and should be deleted and others should be added for example Winter Park is not a peer city in any sense of the term neither as to
demographics average income market value or residential commercial property cost of living size numerous and other factors winter Park with a population of 29,000 plus is listed as a peer city and the listed Pier City chart fails to list numerous other cities that are also part
of our competitive market if Coco is listed then Rocklage and West Melbourne should be listed and both are larger than Coco um so I just wanted to get that out and I and I do kind of agree with that i would have liked to see some of those cities on as we had done that um because really comparing Titusville
and Winter Park it's apples and oranges with with a few things um that being said it does feel like a lot when you look at it but then when you break it up to this is going to be a position for perhaps 3 months um perhaps like less than $10,000 um I I feel comfortable
with it um I know that it is a sticker shock but um I I've really appreciated what Mr vate is doing and and taking into consideration that there will be a freeze on his salary um I'm I'm comfortable moving forward do we have any cards on it sitting we
have one card it's Stan Johnston okay stan my name is Stan Johnston and I work for the city of Ty i have a pension and uh I've been here for uh 54 years or so and uh
uh we used to have just a city manager no no assistant city manager and nobody like Jim Thomas and so we keep adding to adding to this i want you to understand is that our former city
manager since 2014 never returned any of my calls never respond to any understand this is for his salary only okay that's what I'm talking about okay in other words I don't see that that there's much
to replace here i don't see that Mr lorice did hardly anything i know you you have you have praised and praised and praised him you appraised him in spite of you know when when I talk about the uh fraud when I take about about the sewage
spill considerable nonsense and I I I've I've written about all these uh t that back to salary compensation that's what I'm talking about uh you haven't said it yet well then you're not listening you're absolutely not listening and what I'm saying is the city of understand I'm
not going to sit up here and hear you talk you come up and speak about an item speak about the item i'm talking about our city manager job who's done i'm talking about the interim city manager's salary consideration stay on point okay stop
interrupting me and taking my time that's what you're doing i don't appreciate what you're doing at all i don't really care Stan i know you don't care you don't care for this city what what we have is what we have is is is called a um uh
dictatorship he said dictatorship in other words we have a a policy in which which a loyalty a loyalty u policy or something like that or disloyalty policy in other words the city of Titusville in other words votes
to spray people with with piss and poop and this is the same guy right here i guess he's going to continue that policy well I understand if you don't the person doing it if if you don't talk about what you're supposed to be talking about you can sit down i'm talking about
what what the city has been doing and it's not worth a penny in other words you're doing this wrong in other words you don't have a loyalty you have a loyalty for the city instead of a loyalty to the public that's what you do this is you have a disloyalty to the public and a loyalty to the city that's
what you the city's been doing except for Mrs what's her name miss Mo so I don't like what's going on and I don't think he should be getting any raises at all at all not Not a bit from what's going on i'm against any raises thank you is that it that's it okay all
right stop interrupting me any other cards okay uh we'll entertain a motion to accept the interim city manager salaries move to approve the HR director's
recommendation regarding the memo um the interim city manager salary second moved and second questions all in favor i I opposes so moved
new business item 12A is the fiscal year 2025 midyear budget review and financial update which is required by city charter and we have our outstanding finance director Terry
Butler and she does have a presentation vice Mayor Council good evening uh this is your FY25 uh midyear budget review and financial update thank you Terry so each year the city manager reaches out to the department heads and gets an update on
their budgetary needs since our annual budget is prepared many months in advance the start of the fiscal year many changes occur finance gathers all of the information from the department heads and puts it together into a consolidated form for
the city manager's review at this point the city manager and I go through these requests and figure out what the city can't afford and we put them together for your consideration start it i'm going to zip through the first couple of slides while they're working
on it i just want to remind the city council about the city's vision i put that in here just so you understand that it is related to all things financial as well as the community needs we also have our mission statement which you're all familiar with so I'm not going to read
that okay we have a slight technical problem with the PowerPoint it'll take us a couple minutes to spool it up okay we have this we have it in our packet luckily we have our IT director to fix it
i made sure I asked him to come tonight because there's a couple of items on here if you have a question I won't be able to answer it stand how long you think because we could take a five minute break i would appreciate it okay why don't we recess for five
minutes until we get the slides back up okay thank you i don't know i can't do that okay council i think we have it up
[Music] i've had Oreos what payday peanuts okay council meeting is back in session okay so if you're okay I'm going to continue where I left off please
continue okay so here's the uh strategic goals and objectives those will be addressed on Thursday and I'm sure they'll be updated the budget will uh for 26 will include your new strategic plan and so that's just per the city ordinance so the finance department
monitors all of the departments all their levels of expenditures we also monitor all of the revenues we're going to talk about those a little bit tonight um all of the departments are responsible for managing their budgets to their bottom line that's the way our organization is set up we have a bottom
line budget so our midyear is March 31st and all of the revenues mostly the revenues for revenue sharing and I'll go into detail a little bit later they're trending slightly behind compared to the
same time frame last year now that doesn't mean that we're not going to get those revenues they're just trending slower for whatever reason so I take the exact same payments from shared revenues from the prior year compare them to the same time frame this year and they're they're trending about three and a
half% slower uh we're continuing to monitor the revenues i don't see a reason at this point to change them as far as the budget goes I will monitor them very closely if something happens that it changes what we need to do we'll come back to city council for some
changes i'm sorry I'm out of breath because I ran up the stairs it's okay um like I said they're they're track the revenues the mostly the shared revenues are tracking tracking slightly behind but the adorum revenues are right
on track so I feel really good about that because that is a big bulk of the general fund revenues um all of the departments are managing to the bottom line so nobody is exorbitant on their budgets they're all within their um approved budgets and they continue to deliver the outstanding services that
the city deserves um the budget will remain balanced after these changes and I have a brief summary sorry I'm still out of breath yeah oh sorry i can't do two things at once there we go i have a brief summary of
where those funds are going to come from for you so I'm going to talk mostly about the general fund that's the city's main operating fund um it has an amended budget right now of 72,000 or 722,769275 you can see the actuals on
the revenue side are 36 million almost 37 and that the budget is at 50.8% 8% now I have to you have to understand revenues are trending behind so at 50% of the year you would think that those revenues would be under 50% but because
we're frontloaded on advalorum revenues we get those during the months of November December January February which is the bulk so that's what makes this look like the revenues are trending on track and and adorum is but the other revenues aren't and I'm going to show you why so the expenditures the balance
the budget is balanced and the actuals are about 37730,000 37 million so the expenditures are slightly ahead of 50% but this also includes incumbrances which is contracted
expenses the city has to do this okay so here we are at the shared revenues this is what I was telling you they make about 9.3% of the general fund budget and when I say general fund shared revenues these are revenues that
we're we're mostly guaranteed through the state um some of them will lag about two to three months but they always catch up eventually we are slightly behind last year this slide had 38% of our revenues received we're we're only
at 34.5 but I still believe that we'll be okay i think there's just a lot of fluctuation in the economy right now and these will eventually catch up so here are the proposed amendments to the budget we're requesting four FTEEs for the fire department three
firefighters and one fire inspector those costs will be showed on the next slide so I'm not going to read all of these i'm going to pull out a couple of the larger ones you can see at the top we have uh overtime for police and fire i will let you know that these were
deferred to midyear uh when we balanced the budget for FY25 we don't like to frontload all that overtime so we asked them to come back and look at it again at midyear so these amounts were deferred to midyear so that's why we're putting them in the budget now and then you see that of
course the firefighter and the inspectors they're in there and they're at 25% so they're not even in there at 50% of the year looking at the budget we decided they needed the firefighters they're going to hire them in July the general fund continued the one on this page I want to kind of look at
is the city hall chiller uh they need additional funds for that i had to ask what that is is it air conditioner i've never been heard heard it called quite that before but that's the other large one you can see the grand total for general fund is about 1.5
million and then here we have the three IT items uh the computer aided design for the cloud Tyler project that's for the police department so that will be paid for uh through the general fund into the information technology department and they will have the
151,668 for that project we have the CRA this is required by Florida statutes this is money that they have left over for projects that they've been given through tiff revenues uh this year they have under $100,000 which is uh really a good number for them they've
spent down their their uh funding uh so we have to carry this through and you see can see that they're going to put that money into trail amenities we also have the marina they have a requested $36,000 that is for operational supplies
uh tools uh just I I called them i said "What are you buying with this stuff?" And he needs tools and equipment and supplies and things like cleaning supplies and so that was a fair number I thought because their budget had been scaled back a little bit this year and then you can see storm water and solid
waste are asking for minimal amounts and then we have under the public works we have the water and sewer resources a couple of the larger projects are the backflow pretor project for water field ops and the additional lift station repairs uh you can also see that morning
dove plant needs some repair costs and that they have additional chemicals at 255,000 on the next page then we have additional water and sewer resources requests uh additional utility costs for water reclamation at 218,000 and blue
herring p plant plant repair costs at 118,000 so the total for water and sewer resources is just over a million dollars so here's the breakdown by fund of what they need i combined all the small funds together and you'll see that's 225 so the grand total is just
shy of $3 million for the midyear adjustments do I have any questions up to this point thank you um this is my first time doing this so with some of these um for example I know that we discussed um the pay for um a
city manager to hire you know a company to find us city manager but the other items um why didn't those come to us on the consent agenda because these are budget amendments and normally we go through this presentation and for the spirit of transparency I put
every dollar out there okay every dollar that's requested through the midyear process I put it into this presentation okay and um thank you for that would we be able to have a breakdown a little bit because I'm I'm very new at this um when it says
$255,000 for chemicals that's a I mean that's a quarter of a million dollars i I would kind of like to know what what it is we're buying and not that I don't trust that it's needed but um some of these things I I'm not like you were I'm not aware of what that even is um do you if you have the breakdown I would
appreciate it the breakdown that I was provided from the departments was included in your packet but I believe that Kevin can answer your chemical questions yeah uh so primarily our lime expense on the morning dove is up 11%
year-over-year for our contract most of our contracts are starting to searchcharge everything uh they're all being influenced by the variety of economics um just to give an idea we've already spent $400,000 on lime to this point in the year and we're up 11% on
cost so that's 64% of all of our chemicals are coming through on that one line item right now u some of the other items we've got our polymers up about 6% our ammonia is up 13 these are all necessary chemicals to operate the plant so um we did conservatively estimate
what we'll need for the balance of the year we're also expecting these chemical costs to continue to rise the rest of the year going into next year so I can give you a breakdown more detail if you'd like to see each of the chemicals and what their uh year look back was on far as pricing but none of them really
stayed flat uh even our SCADA software jumped 8% this year yeah thank you uh yeah I don't I don't need the that detail i was just curious of how how it worked um and if there was more of a breakdown i didn't see that in the agenda but perhaps I'm I'm I'm missing that part i only see the main
presentation um oh I do see it right here i'm so sorry it is here thank you member Nelson I have a quick question looking at the general fund we're showing overtime benefits for the police
and fire is that mostly benefits because it's like 600,000 yeah no it's both it's overtime and then when you pay that salary overtime you have to pay the related costs such as FICA and retirement or whatever might be included in there so I include it all
together because when we build that in our employee benefits package I have the salary dollar and then I have to make sure those additional costs are in there so that's why I put it like that it's all together okay does that make sense so for example if they get an hour of
overtime we have to pay FIC on that overtime correct and I get that but I'm sort of wondering should we hire extra people as opposed to paying more overtime and I don't initially we do
have other people that will be coming into the police department per their request right now it's just a little bit cheaper for retirement and all the added benefits to pay that overtime because they need it okay so it so it it runs a little bit cheaper to do it that way to
pay the overtime because they have to have the staffing okay so but they they are asking for more positions okay good memb yes um just to touch a little bit especially for member Mscoso that hasn't
gone through this process with us i think historically um the city manager and we have approved a budget that is very conservative um so typically around this time uh we will have a surplus of funds i can't speak for all of council but I I don't like it
when it's such a big amount because I would rather cut taxes so this I I don't really like this process um I I never want to be in a deficit and us be like where do we need to cut i I would like a little bit of surplus but to have this much um which again you can have
different philosophies on that just don't feel like that that's a good decision even to the point where we're it's not really best practice to hire midyear um but again I feel confident that we can do that because we do have such a surplus of funds um the other
thing and I'll take overtime I'm not a huge fan of either i mean if you just see how much overtime is I do think that that's something that we need to consider when we start going through this budget process what does that look like and not only that we're about to start union negotiations again and so
keeping that in mind what does what does that cost um when we start negotiating those things so I I think this is good this is typically what we do do I think that we can improve it yes and I think that these would be good conversations for us to continue to start having as we
start going through this process any other questions do we have any cards we have one card stan Johnston huh oh we're not i'm sorry Stan no I just wanted to I could I thought I saw some
question faces so I wanted to ask questions at that point before we went any further she hadn't finished yet she hasn't finished yet give me another minute okay all right right so I want to talk about the FY25 expenditures as of six months uh LA of the year lapsed uh like
I said all of the departments are managing to the bottom line that's something that I check uh twice a month to see where we're at with our budget and I do um have to commend them on uh they take do care in their budgets they don't do anything ridiculous that I
think that anybody would be concerned if they were to see that cost on their lines um so we have the recommended actions for you uh tonight it's to approve the midyear budgetary budgetary change request for the general fund and the other funds that we discussed and to also authorize the four new FTEEs
through for the the Titusville Fire Department so what I would say is those four new FTEEs are at 25% of the year and they are not um those are reoccurring costs so we're not allowed to use fund balance for those those are coming from projects where there was some budget left over that we were able
to from all of the requests be able to pull those out and fund those so that they can meet their state requirements and I have any questions at this point okay so I'm going to go ahead before you do your motion and talk about
26 yeah so for FY26 we're we got the budget preparation that is already started the budget preparation just so you know is a 10-month process or longer sometimes um and so we will use your new strategic plan that you're getting ready to put together on Thursday and we will
build that into balancing the budget as far as the 26 goes um we've already uh asked all the departments to supply us with their request for 26 so we're building that now uh it will come to you in sometime in late July so
that we can put together a tenative trim for the uh the tenative millillage for trim uh we're also using the lingix sigma methodology we're also allocating resources to align with uh your strategic goals uh we're looking at economic development you saw Nicholas
presentation tonight i was watching it from my desk i thought that was that was really impressive um we're investing in the committed to and committed to employees um p prof professional growth i for one have a department of all
professionals so I appreciate that the city does that um we also look at employee compensation and benefits we were instructed to do a 2.5% cola this year uh I think that's fairly competitive um and we're also looking at health insurance plans joe monitors
those to make sure that our retirees and their current employees are good with all of our health insurance plans hr and finance works together to get those budget numbers prepared for for your uh consideration and then we're also looking at we build out a five-year
operating budget so that we can kind of see what the trends are doing and currently we were instructed to use a 7% or less uh on the outy years for the budget and then uh we're also looking at critical staffing needs so we have quite a number of critical staffing uh
requests that are coming in this year that we'll take a good hard look at and see where we're at with those uh also we're looking at the uh near and midterm critical capital requirements public safety public outreach infrastructure which is always
a big one because it's so costly uh roads and streets utilities it is a really big one with all of the threats that we have going on and of course public facilities so we have one of the oldest city hall facilities i think they do a good job of keeping it going uh some of the areas are a little bit
cramped but we we all get along we're a nice happy family um so we also maintain the general fund emergency stabilization reserve fund i'm not sure if you're aware of that right now it's at $7.5 million that changes every year that's
money set aside in case we have a catastrophic event so that the city can tap into those resources so we make sure that that reserve is funded uh we also have uh liabilities for OPE and debt the city has a very low debt margin i'm really proud to say that they have a low
debt margin and that OPED is funded at 50% of the required contribution every year and we've maintained that as well and so I'm on to whatever questions you might have we have the what's the next slide and I forgot to keep going through them i'm glad you have them on your
screen okay so here's the schedule for what's coming up like I said we'll send you a balanced proposed budget at the end of July and we can do the the trim and decide what the millillage is going to be we have the budget workshop on the 7th i always look forward to that
workshop and then we have the two hearings which are required by state statute so now I'm ready for any questions and you can make your motions okay Stan you could come up miss Butler when we have a uh some kind
of a budget workshop uh uh do we have that lady from Coco come in l Laur Lori something like that did she come in on the budget workshops okay i thought she did any anyhow cuz I went I went to one of these budget workshops and I were walking up
to talk and I had two police three police officers attack me from behind assaulting me which was a surprise to me they didn't give me any warning or anything i just wonder if that might happen again during the uh some kind of a workshop so anyhow um uh I want to
tell you a story about Mr haron he was the uh public works director and uh he shared an interesting story with me that you should listen to so he goes he goes before um city
manager and there and he proposes the money that he needs to operate public works and um the city manager comes and says says to him and say listen you've got to cut it down you got you can't do that and so
what he's saying to him is saying you do what I say or you're going to get fired well he he worked here for I don't know maybe nine years or something like that what something like that and he was the longest I don't understand he was the
longest public works director maybe Kevin got him beaten now uh but uh he was uh people came and told me "Boy that Jim Herren how come they don't they haven't got rid of him?" But he was he's a good man and uh uh thank you for
taking his place Kevin um so uh uh that's a a budget issue um that uh so what we have right now is we have what I question is a four-log virus problem that uh was
discussed at least two years ago or longer that is a a problem something that the the city may of Titus may be the only city about this size that has the four-long virus problem it's a secret a secret a secret that I discovered from talking with
FD so we don't shouldn't have secrets and we also should have um uh capital improvement projects for the storm water management plan that the city has not spent one penny on i told Mrs moscos so right okay uh so uh uh we have not spent
any money on drainage easements and drainage improvements and maintenance as required by the storm water management plan so we are not sustainable and also told you about the govern Hzburg principle that needs to be stopped it's nonsense any
questions any questions Terry no no thank you thanks Sam we also received one additional card yes um from Elizabeth Baker
Parker sorry thank you as a city we have a five-year plan for our budget which is supposed to account for our growth it's supposed to account for our maintenance it's supposed to account for our needs as a
city as a whole those that we can anticipate obviously we have things that we cannot anticipate but I find it kind of shocking that we have over a million dollars in overtime requests for our
city so that tells me that we're not doing a very good job anticipating what our needs of the city are going to be now I come in here almost weekly or bi-weekly to these meetings and I listen to this council over and over approve
development after development after development after development after development thousands and thousands of new homes new people new needs for sewage new needs for freshwater new needs for police new needs for fire
and part of each of those package packets that are submitted to the city for approvals are supposed to is supposed to be our checking to make sure that we already have in place the utilities the personnel and all of the
things that these new communities are going to need before we approve them that's supposed to be part of our plan clearly $3 million of which most of it should have been accounted
for in planning we are not planning well as a city we should not be approving thousands of new dwelling units when we can't even support the people and communities that we currently have i'm disappointed in this city that we aren't
making appropriate plans for the future and we shouldn't be approving hundreds of thousands of dollars of overtime we should be appropriately planning for and staffing our city and if we can't do that we should replace the people who are doing these jobs thank you thank
you are there any more cards no more cards if I could council um see if city manager would explain uh impact fees and how much we're allowed to charge
that'll that's another agenda item later in Okay then we'll wait we're going to discuss that any other questions from council hearing none we'll entertain a motion move to approve the fiscal year 2025 midyear budgetary change request
for the general fund community redevelopment agency enterprise internal fund and other funds authorize four new FTE positions at 25% and approve the associated budget amendment
second there's been a motion and second are there any other questions all in favor i I All right opposes unanimously uh next item is item B 12b
is the state housing initiative ship local housing assistance plan 2026 to 2028 and resolution and Terry Franklin's here to explain it again for a second time i'm back we're going to start where you
left off yes we will ship presentation lap oops here we go so let me catch up so again uh this is to approve the
city's three-year plan for the uh state housing initiative partnership grant program known as SHIP and I'll just go over briefly uh the strategies that are included in the LHAP um our first strategy is a long-standing strategy uh
that we've had in the plan for many years it's very uh utilized by the community it's our rehabilitation program which makes uh minimum housing repairs to owner occupied homes um for
very low low and moderate income the maximum assistance level proposed is 80,000 minimum assistance of 10,000 uh the terms it's provided in a 0% interest deferred loan which means the homeowners do not have to make any
payments or repay the loan provided they uh do not default on the terms uh this meets the 75% and 65% set aside requirements um per the ship statute strategy B is a weatherization
program which is pretty much the same as the rehab except this is limited to the exterior of homes to make them more energy efficient and uh sustainable to Florida weather maximum 50% minimum 5%
again it meets the 75 and 65% uh set aside requirements first-time home buyer program again uh for the next three years we currently have this program um we're um looking to
increase the maximum assistance levels and include uh this next cycle um to include with repairs the program has only been down payment assistance for the in the past uh we're seeing more and
more homes that require repairs to pass inspection to be able to be bought um so this uh cycle we would like to include to include repairs this will meet the 65% set aside requirement for home
ownership ship statute requires that each uh city have a disaster recovery program in the LHAP so we do have that included and then strategy E would be a new strategy for the next 3 years this will be rental rehab this will be to
repair rental properties that are considered affordable units for very low and low income maximum 50,000 per unit this would be a term of 10 years a repayable loan so these monies would go
back into the program to continue to provide additional assistance the maximum for the rental is 25% of the grant so there would be some uh criteria for us to monitor that to make sure we don't exceed that set
aside uh additionally we have another strategy uh new construction program this would be new for the next three-ear cycle uh this takes into consideration the lots that are being donated by the city to our community housing
development organizations or community land trust and this will provide uh down payment assistance um to those developers so they can sell those homes to uh low-income households and uh the LHAP again outlines the
administrative functions of the LHAP which is 10% of the grant and that concludes the presentation okay city clerk do we have any cards one
card stan Johnston council do you have any questions hearing none I'll entertain a motion move to approve the ship lap with associated resolution number 10-2025 and approve the associated
budget amendment i'll second moved and second questions all in favor i we have to have a roll call oh sorry roll call vote i knew that member Stole didn't know that yes member Moscoso yes member Nelson yes vice Mayor
Cole yes approved unanimously okay on to item C advisability to amend the fence permit regulations we have uh Brad Parish will uh advise council on this advisability and receive
direction regarding um our intent to amend the fence permit requirements and to make them more clear and um understandable with me i have um building official Steve Adams to help answer any questions on
page 586 of your packet is the um report to you uh describing this request uh basically the code is currently written applicants are compelled to demonstrate or prove the proposed fence work is below 50% in
order to avoid permitting 50% of the threshold size of the or value of the fence the 50% rule has proven to be difficult to administer as it is often subjective and misleading furthermore applicants often deploy this rule to make fence repairs replacements where
the existing configuration may not necessarily be consistent with regulations as in other cases of existing non-conformity the city would prefer to avoid encouraging improvements that prolong or increase non-conformities and so we've enclosed to you uh some proposed language and with your direction we would propose
this in an ordinance for approval it's on page 588 your packet you'll see the existing uh language current code section 6-56C which talks about describes that 50% rule and the proposed language into
the name same uh section would basically state the following shall be lawful to construct or erect any new fence or wall without first obtaining a building a permit from the building department any repair or replacement of an ex existing fence shall not require permit from the department if a record of permit exists
for the original construction any repair or replacement of an existing permitted fence shall maintain consistency with the originally approved permit on record which is consistent with code and so generally this is the language we'd like to propose to you and with your
direction we'll come back to you with an ordinance and again the main purpose of this is to provide is to u reduce confusion and to streamline efforts okay any questions from council yes i'm sorry i just want to make sure
that I'm understanding this so um our current code code says that you need a permit to build a new fence or to do major repairs so stop me if I'm wrong on any of this um you if you repair or replace more than 50% of a fence it's treated like a new construction is that
correct yes okay and then um and then the new proposed updated code would say permits are always required for building a new fence making alterations to a fence even
if it has a permit no no okay um and then repairs or replacements do not require permit only if the original fence has a permit on file so that's where I'm a little bit confused do we think people are going to I mean my
neighborhood I live in Royal Oak it was built in ' 67 i haven't checked to see if my fence has a permit on file is that something we're going to expect people to do before they replace it and and I'm just going to give you the example i have one both of my neighbors have put
up new fence and then my fence is quite old i don't know how what would be 50% i don't know if that is if I'm just average citizen I probably would if if half of it fell down I'd probably just go ahead and and put it up would that be
against code to do that if it's a third of a fence it it potentially it could be okay it's not as the code is written today okay and again council gave us direction to find lowhanging fruit to improve our
ordinances um to me this is a less adversarial ordinance to our residents so to explain the the record ultimately what we're trying to do is see fewer requirements for applicants
to approach so the fence that you described at your home if it was permitted we have a record of it we've already reviewed it for code compliance we've inspected it we've closed the record it's in the file the way the new ordinance is drafted there there would be no reason
for you to come back to the building department if that fence fell down okay to to permit it as it was perfect so once a fence has been permitted approved then that resident gets to keep it maintain it repair it until something changes obviously if they want to change
it to a different material or a different configuration then we would update the record with a new permit but as long as there's a record on file of an approved configuration I see no need for that resident to have to come back when it blows down okay wonderful that's
exactly I just don't want there to be extra regulations on this i want to make it as easy as possible for our residents to fix their fences and things like that so thank you very much agreed 100% thank you you sure
any other questions no more cards we have two cards oh we have two cards okay elizabeth Parker elizabeth Parker 3444 3446 Torino um I just had a quick question i do like the idea that we are no longer going to
require permits for replacing fences that already were permitted um but I did have a question about how this is written um with regard to change in fence material so if I just was wondering if I could get get
clarification let's say the homeowner had a pine fence and replaced it with cedar panels is that considered a change that would require a permit no we would consider it both wood fences
okay and then the only other question I had was how does the citizen find out if particularly I agree I live in Royal Oak and my fence is probably permitted 20 years ago how would I find my permit
certainly uh a simple records request could solve that uh the citizen could could contact the uh building department to look in the file the property address file to see if there has ever been an approved fence project on that property and if not we would ask that that
resident come and make application for their new fence right and now we have it on file they get to keep it okay okay and then the other question I had was consistent with um current code
but then I read something about setbacks are there is there new code with regard to setbacks that's going to change where your fence can live so that that's the only exception that we found is for the most part fence ordinance hasn't changed in the past 50 years with the
exception of side corner setbacks so somewhat recently I would say five to seven years ago we adopted a side corner setback so normally your fence could be six feet high all the way up to the first 25 ft of the front setback on a
typical R1B neighborhood on a side corner we brought that back to 30 feet six foot high max so that's the only difference so to your example if there is a fence that was permitted 30 years ago however it's 6 foot high in that
side corner setback we would ask for an update to the permit in that record file to see that is dropped down to 4 feet or brought back to the 30-foot setback and so that's along the front of the property front of the home only on side
corner properties so if it's a property with a neighbor on either side then it doesn't apply no change okay thank you i appreciate it thank you thank you the the last call is Stan Johnston Stan Johnston uh I did read this uh uh
what has been put in the agenda packet uh before before this meeting and I uh I'm concerned about u a situation right now with a fence that the city doesn't respond to and I don't want to go a lot into it but
I think you should see it is that uh it's a property that my wife and I used to own uh and y'all have heard of Mockingbird Lane so Mockingbird Lane used to be a two-way path that's changed into a one-way path and uh the
um concrete pad was approved by my wife and I as we were when we were owners of the property so the city put in the concrete pad paved our street Elizabeth Avenue and Whispering Hills Road added all kinds of improvements sidewalk and
everything else at no expense to me in fact they even bought part of my property uh or our property and and then so now what we have is where my wife and I approved this concrete apron 20 ft wide it's still 20 ft wide you measure
from the corner let's see the left hand corner over 9 ft there's a fence it's like almost right in the middle of the road i think y'all should see it it's unbelievable i've called the fire
department the police department they said "Oh they're not worried about it it's going to be an accident at some time so uh I'm requesting you to uh to take a look at it because it's it's complete
nonsense the city has approved if the city's working with fences they ought to they ought to do something with this." And I've already reported it nothing's being done except saying it's okay except for Mr tolson he said he can't review it because it it
hasn't had final acceptance but that's what's that's what I got all my plans right here thank you thank you S uh any other cards no other cards okay we'll move on for approval move to
approve the advisability and direct the and direct staff to amend the fence permit requirements second moved and second questions all in favor i I opposes so
move on to natural resources [Music] the next item on 12D is the natural resources report um I do have a PowerPoint presentation but I'm not going to go through every slide i'll go through it quickly uh just to give you some
background this started uh a few years ago when we did we the Titus tomorrow project uh c long story short council decided not to go forward with that comprehensive plan but you gave us direction to make proposed comprehensive plan amendments that were acceptable from that draft plan to be incorporated
into our current plan and one part of that recommend or that uh direction from you was to address environmental policies when we looked into that uh we worked with uh Inspire Placemaking Collective which is located in Orlando one of our continuing contracts and they
suggested we do a report with a public engagement portion so that's what this is it's a summary of that effort in the past year working with the public and working with TEC so the purpose of the report was uh I I'll describe briefly the purpose project schedule and website that was
involved in uh the engagement results in the final report uh the purpose of it was to understand the community's concerns and goals related to natural resources uh to recommend strategies to update the conservation and coastal management elements of the comprehensive plan but ultimately this report included
additional recommendations that are more programmatic and more and capital related the project schedule started in March 2024 we had TEC individual interviews in April of that year open there was an open house with the community there was a separate TEC
workshop in June and a second workshop with them on in September 11th and a final report presented to them in uh later that that same month rather that workshop uh there was also a website where the public could provide uh
input lots of responses a lot of engagement there um the questions such as do you think the city does enough to sufficiently protect natural resources and received responses to that and many other questions related
to a survey uh top initiatives of the city should prioritize protect natural resources uh some of the main things that came up out of that um effort was conservation of land and wildlife and habitat acquisition improving treatment and
disposal of wastewater effluent uh wetland protection tree preservation and protection and of course low impact development methods uh some another engagement question should the city provide more stringent wetland protection regulations
than St john's of course there was a overwhelming response that we should uh please listen to order of importance to natural resources projects programs the city should prioritize funding in the next 10 to 20 years and so there are variety of responses there but probably
the most the top one was related to the Indian River Lagoon so the report is divided into five major areas water quality in Indian River Lagoon land acquisition and conservation aging infrastructure tree canopy and preservation wetland and flood plane
regulations there are several in the each section you'll see uh several recommended strategies and you'll see the report on page 605 of your packet but the meat of it really starts in 621 of your packet
and you'll see the list of recommendations recommended strategies consider uh or considerations include advancing the IRL projects aging wastewater infrastructure aggressively seeking funding uh land acquisition tree preservation and
landscaping and wetlands um that ends the presentation but I do want to just point to you on page 621 of your packet just to show you an example and to understand how this report is organized you'll see a first
strategy on that page and it says uh specifically continue to prioritize funding and seek grant funding for projects that improve water quality of the intera lagoon and then underneath it you'll see a category it says imp or sap so up above that on that table that matrix you'll see how each of these recommendations or these strategies are
categorized and how they can be implemented either as specifically as a comprehensive plan amendment a capital improvement pro project a land development regulation amendment um helping implement an action from the sustainability action plan
um maybe a public relations effort uh we did include and work with the consultant and with TC on adding additional columns here and I'll briefly describe what these mean um the the next column says implementation we put comment about how that particular strategy could be
implemented future considerations and resources this was for us to inform you and and to the public whether there may be a pro or con on any one of these recommendations or constraint such as funding or whether it might be something that's low hanging fruit whatever there
might be so it's a general comment from staff uh comprehensive plan policy so we've included a policy that this particular strategy may be specifically related to helping implement and also the sustainability action plan so we've included the specific strategy from that
plan that this recommendation may be specifically helping imple to implement so there's several pages after that you'll see how this the the recommendations are categorized or structured in these five themes uh each recommendation is structured similarly
some are broad some are very specific we did emphasize to TEC that this is not this is basically just a a a uh a plan of action of how to go forward in the next 10 or 20 years it's or more it's
basically something that they can look at prioritize uh this is and select maybe one or two of these out of each year or maybe a handful depending on how they're related ask your permission if this is something that you think is
important to prioritize so just like any recommendation that comes from TC it has to come to you to approve that recommendation in order to utilize any staff resources so this is not a plan of action given to TC to go forward with they still have to consider what is
important ask your recommendation and you approve that recommendation just like any other action that they give to you um so with you on this agenda on on the uh report to you we've put in there a recommendation to accept the report uh
we will take this if you approve it as basically a guide to to the TEC to work with no different than a plan that the historic preservation board has or the CRA utilizes for their plan so with that I'll try and answer any questions you have any questions from
council huh do we have any cards when cards Dan Johnston you know what this is you know what this is something y'all don't want to see something y'all don't want to recognize stan Johnson I'm
against this uh um 12D first of all it says public engagement well there's no as far as I'm concerned I don't see public engagement in the city of Titusville i see closed doors not answering phone calls not
responding to to uh emails there's not public engagement why should I go there when for example back in 1987 I repeatedly told the city of Titusville that there's no that this Gen
Hsburg principle does not apply to the city of Titusville that's a long time ago long time ago 1987 and and so so uh in 1986 or 85 they
adopted a plan to construct dams now you guys took an o an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States these dams take property without due process of
law you're breaking law you're breaking our constitution you're violating your oath now regarding the uh Gen Hburg principle which I told you about already today when I was comparing it to an iceberg
uh the uh the dams are illegal that's from the thing and they they proposed to ban dams back in about 1985 the first I saw a dam built was 2008 and I was I just threw my hands up in the air what can I do so I waited to
2012 when FEMA said they were going to do some studies and so the city of Titusville lied to FEMA repeatedly dishonestly lied to FEMA about what's going on here and it's still going on right now today the city of Titusville doesn't have In other words this this
right here is I I disapprove of it for many reasons it's a it's a sham it's a hoax you guys aren't listening there's not public engagement when I as a professional engineer tell you what the problems are and you don't respond
that's the way you go so what we have here is a loyalty network which I told you about before the city title has a loyalty network the loyalty is to who the city it should be the loyalty to should be to the public it's not and what I talking about Mr mr uh
broom he sold himself to the devil he sold himself to the devil i think some of you maybe you all have also some other people have done that in this room thank you any other cards anything else from council yes ma'am move to review and accept the
uh natural resources report and recommended strategies moved and second any questions all in favor i I opposes so move uh E police fire city hall and
public works impact fee study yes sir this is uh u recommended action is to improve the impact fee study for police fire and city hall and public works impact fees and provide direction for implementation as outlined in the presentation as you are aware we
periodically review the impact fees to ensure that um new development pays for capital increases and those uh disciplines and uh this is the first step is to approve the impact fee study and then we'll come back with two public
hearings to um implement the fees as council directs and Kevin Cook is here to explain some of the details of the study so same manager said this is the companion to the water sewer connection fees that you saw a couple meetings ago
um this is police fire city hall and public works police and fire updated in 2019 you cannot update a increased uh impact fee except for a four-year window so this is the timing for those two i'm just going to go through the existing proposed impact fees the
study's been attached in the agenda u going through some of the calculation implementation and next steps so starting with the kind of overview we are proposing that the police impact fee will reduce for single family by approximately 7%
fire city hall and public works will all be increasing ranging from 26% at fire to nearly 50% at city hall um likewise on the commercial the lower chart police goes down 9% uh city hall public works
are capped at 50% increases and fire is a 44% increase a lot of that is just mathematical because city hall is at 1 cent statuto says you can only go up 50% in a four-year window so it's going to be spread out over time
just some details on the PD side um I did ask consultant about the anomaly that this fee did go down there were some statutory changes that exclude if you look at the first line although PD has 15 million in current assets they have to exclude machinery and equipment
from that due to a statute change that takes out all short-term machinery equipment from the impact fee calculation the other facet of why it went down was the city's current staffing is 1.85 officers per capita per thousand our
goal is 2.4 because we are not staffed at the goal we cannot count those new positions and the capital for them as that would be making up a deficiency impact fees cannot make up deficiencies they have to be used for growth kevin I hate to interrupt you a minute but we're
going to need a motion to extend city council meeting move to extend to 11 o'clock reluctantly right moved and second kevin talk fast oh I can I can talk fast questions all in favor i I those
opposed so move proceed kevin okay but yeah just wanted to touch mainly on PD because they did have the reduction in theirs it can be something we can address in the future once the staffing levels are called up and the future growth will catch up in in that same regard uh the next slide was simply
their CIP plan again they there are some some items they can that we cannot include in the uh study we also do not have a commitment for a new facility which is the you know 60 to$80 million commitment that's in our outy years if that comes in that will also factor into
future impact fee calculations just give you a summary of capital cost per officer about 140,000 is what it does cost to outfit an officer on the capital side giving you the comparison we do slide back a little bit below the average line our consultant did like to
stress that the impact fees are local impact fees so comparing them is simply a comparison for reference we cannot we can't really use market as reasoning for adjustments it has to be a local calculated item some of the comm community some of the counties on this
do not charge an impact fee for their police side same thing for fire rescue some they get to count more of their assets into there so they don't lose as many as it moves over from left to right on this chart their capital improvement plan
does incorporate the need for future stations as expanding systems do take an effect um fire will be coming forward with some plans for additional station in the future and then the cost per firefighter is $169,000 to outfit facility vehicles and
equipment per firefighter and that calculates into their fees likewise this is the comparison they have sliding up um again their calculation on the commercial side was a 200% increase that is capped at 50% for the statutory
restriction moving on to city hall this existing city hall assets around $2 million capital improvement continuing improvements to this facility is around 1.5 in the future but they're not included because this building is essentially you know peaked out at this
point so we do have an inventory of existing capital cost that is in our calculation future you know sorry this is public works our existing capital assets about 700,000 we do have funded capital improvement plans that allow us to incorporate that into the impact fee
for public works around about 4.7 million this comparison obviously much smaller that the city hall is not a common impact fee so there's not a lot of comparables out there this is all combined excluding water sewer connection fees as
combined for the municipal um impact fees kind of comparison for our peers landing almost exactly on the the average for all our peers and then like I touched on those that are capped at the 50% we have to implement over a four-year cycle so this
is their implementation plan the police department will implement in year one fully the others will implement over a four-year cycle um well you'll see in the proposed ordinances we are proposing that to happen on October 1st to coincide with our fiscal year changes when all our rates change uh helps out
with everyone for the collection side and then next steps we do have these planned to come back to you the next two meetings coinciding with the water sewer connection fee updates as well so you'll see all the impact fee ordinances being updated together uh at
one time uh with some changes in the terminology within the ordinances as well i'd be happy to answer any questions you may have do you have any cards one card Dan Johnson
i'm complimenting this guy in the back of the corner he did a fantastic job of uh uh explaining the uh the uh speed violations in school zones uh and I want you to know is that
uh years ago um police officers and fired officers I wanted to be a fireman at one time uh they were my heroes like Lone Ranger and Tonto they were good the good guys and uh I can't say that today for all of
them you're talking about impact fees okay St ex exactly i think they need to be educated impact fees they should be ed if anything you ought to educate them because right now is that they're not as far as I can see as if I were a fireman i wouldn't do what they're doing
right now i just wouldn't do it i think we're getting the short end of the stick is what I'm saying so the short end of the stick in this case is like I told you about the uh fence in the middle of the road the uh uh uh and bring this
back to impact fees for me and this is so I don't think we should have impact fees because we need to educate them is the first thing they ought to do huh the clock's not on what happened okay go ahead okay so they should have uh
uh uh and and and and what is a horrible thing is something that everybody approves here except Mrs moscoso and that is the spraying of women children and babies with sewage and this is this is this is the only city in the world that does that impact fees Stan so so
I'm I'm I'm against giving them any impact fees until they're educated to know what what they're supposed to do because this is this is horrible they're good men and they're not doing the right thing study to determine how much to charge residents based on our police
fire and public works it's for we should we should reduce them because they're not doing the right thing he just said they were reducing more because I mean I mean I got it's crazy what's going on i get arrested for doing nothing they don't even tell me what I'm arrested for thank
you thank you Stan uh any other cards no cards anything else yes yes question so um are we So we had to do the study i'm
assuming that was a requirement are we allowed to raise them higher than what the study proposes by statute no they're capped it okay so we have to go for that okay now going back to the officer we had to do it at the 1.85 this 2 point I think it was 2.4
is that you said we could come back when we actually meet that criteria but do we have to wait four years then now to be able to get what we my issue is I want to be charging the appropriate impact fee to whoever's doing the impact not to
our current residents and so how can we I guess fix that legally the initial fix is that PD would have to be staffed up to 2.4 before which I know they do propose officers I'm sure in the 26 budget um but that's
going to be too late if we're going to propose unless we the timing happens but the stud is already done so that's where I'm like what what can we do under under the statute you have to adopt it within a year when the study
began and it must be based on the local data and they also restrict our ability to increase as you heard 50% over four years so those are just requirements right now with these rates is what I'm hearing there's nothing we can do
because this is what the study came back with right you can't base them on some arbitrary number it has to be based on the local data through the study and it has to be adopted within a year of the study because they want it to be recent data even though we recognize we will need more officers and we plan to staff
more officers and we current residents will be paying primarily more for that than potentially the impact fees would be paying i don't see us getting to 2.4 anytime soon we're scheduled to ask for another
four um as part of FI26 okay so we are between 1.85 and 2.4 probably around 2.2 2 okay so it's going to be a few more years till we get to 2.4 okay and the study is doing it based on what we currently have which is the 1.8
okay yeah i I guess I just want to make sure if there's things that we can do to make sure that the who's funding this it's proportioned appropriately um and that's kind of where I don't know what we can do legally and so that that concerns me
a little bit especially as we're going into the budget process you ready for a motion yes move to approve the impact fee study for police fire city hall and public works impact fees
and do we need direction provide direction for implementation as outlined in the presentation second moved and second any questions all in favor i opposes so move
petitions and requests from the public you've been waiting patiently haven't you i am here okay um Dr kathleen Oick you know me anyhow um and I just want you to know I'll do my best to be quick and clear however at 10:00 at night my
phone tells me I'm supposed to be in bed so mine told me that at 10:15 there you go anyhow I just want to discuss briefly the vote on the BAA ordinance um because I think there are just important things I want to say um the reality is we're not talking about an even playing field
the developers have many more resources to hire lawyers so if a law happens to be reported in a meeting it's much more likely to be the opinion of the developers because they're the ones get to pay them and the BAA themselves have no lawyers u to interpret that and
member Nelson I'll sp you a little bit it's a long time since you got your law degree as a long time since I got my doctorate but you might recall that in law school a lot of times students are assigned to argue one side of a case and then they argue the other side of the
case always right and so the thing is the lawyers who get paid a lot of money are being told just argue one side of the case and that's why you hear all the things that are correct and I'm going to talk briefly of standing and not long
it's no surprise that the developer lawyer spoke against it after all they don't want us to have standing and actually at one point I heard him say well he didn't think anybody had standing yet dwight Severs who came to the next meeting couldn't come to the first one and we can't afford to pay him
to come a lawyer when he can't argue the other side of that and actually made a very important point that said when you're talking about the comprehensive plan and it has an effect on that actually any citizen in the city has standing for those and that was what
this discussion was um so it's just not a fair argument when the developers are the ones that have the money and the citizens don't and and um Councilwoman Nelson seemed getting tired um watch the rest of that BAA meeting because I think
how the citizens were treated was so abhorent and you probably didn't get to all of that part it was really bad at the end was really bad but anyhow and you can see how well um Mr taylor eats while people are talking to him face to
face it was very rude but anyhow okay so I'm disappointed you know that but I want to share that now I'm going to quickly try to say something on a totally different issue this three minutes is a killer um you got 30 seconds the FDLE report on the shooting of Mr charles is very delayed from what
we were told and that leads to an awful lot of mistrust in the city and so what I'd like to suggest to you all is see if someone can contact FDLE and find out when this report might be available and give that information to the citizens i
think it would go a long way to restoring some trust okay that's it good night i got a couple of things to to say to what you said okay and one is um on the FDLE chief Laauo has contacted FDLE
every week on yesterday he talked to Samantha uhhuh and he explained to her that she would be the first to know i I totally agree with you that it's taken an inordinate amount of time right because he said originally and I'm I mean it's all a guess but he said four
to six weeks that's what we thought i and I know I have even contacted uh Sheriff's Wayne Ivy to see if he could do anything to get it off of dead center um I wish you have a crystal ball we would be able to tell on your first
point about the BAA we're going to watch that okay and and just because it ended up in a 22 tonight does not necessarily mean if we recognize that we do have a major problem there we will look at it
again i mean I can tell you that yeah I would appreciate that because I really do think it's so inherently unfair because it has to do with who has the money and and I want to say one other thing tonight really because part of this meeting has been a pleasure because
people come up and talk to you and you talk back at to us and we don't hear any of this you know could you please give me another so and so long time i mean I feel more heard tonight than I have heard ever since Mr connor's found his way into the mayoral chair i mean it's
really and I appreciate that respect and I want to say that and I might not agree with your opinions we're not always going to agree but it's nice to feel that you treated me with respect and I intend to treat all of you with respect as you know okay thank you thank you
very much and sleep well we will okay any more petitions and requests are you threatening to get out he's already Oh he already did see my mind you see you see what you're doing to me Stan
thank you okay now we go to our mayor and council reports so council have anything anyone have anything they would like to Yes I I'll try to be brief i do have a few items though that I would like to try to run through one um I mentioned it briefly earlier uh the there's two scholarship opportunities i
did just send them over to our city manager to see if he could send it out to all of our staff so if you know anybody um those are two great opportunities for scholarships u with a quick turnaround uh time the other thing that uh and member Mscoso kind of
brought it up earlier a little bit with the DRC i've been thinking about if would be nice if we could potentially get a presentation i don't know what this would look like exactly but specifically on commercial properties we don't really we're not part of the inner
workings so if an applicant I came in and I wanted to potentially build something on a commercial property I submitted it to I don't need to come to council i go through staff and I realize the landscaping requirements are too strict and I have that preliminary meeting and then I go away we don't get
to see that kind of conversation and to me that would be helpful if there's some type of information session that we can get um regarding those applications that have gone away what were those primary reasons so if we do need to potentially adjust our code that would be something
we don't know what we don't know so right now we could think they're great but if they're turning away or they're having these premeings and then they go away just because I'd like to see our commercial properties being developed um and then that kind of ties into the DRC what kind of information is happening in
those what what are we seeing consistently you know being barriers that they're meeting about i think that might just be beneficial for us as we're potentially planning so I don't know if that's an advisability does does that make sense i'd like to respond to that we have two advisabilities from you
right now in past decisions of council to come to you with recommendations on making things easier to code okay we have that already so we like example tonight the fence was one so we continue to do that the other is we already have direction from you to come back to you
if you remember a few meetings ago I gave you a some a recommendation of strategies how we can make the site development process a little easier especially since it takes so long for each review to be completed and we gave you some strategies and you responded back that we should go forward with the
recommendations that we came up with so there's a variety of changes we're going to back to you one is evaluating our parking requirements and what really needs to go before the DRC or not um the low impact development ordinance yeah uh we've also evaluating our staffing so
we're going to put in a request for an additional staff member for engineering review as part of the fiscal year 26 budget things of that nature so we're going to come back to you and each one will be action for you to consider three things that you just said kind of incorporate what I was Yes trying to Okay thank you
um the other thing was for our I don't think we've had the RFP go out for that foreclosure process um that was mentioned with our previous city manager so I just wanted to see we have it in a draft form it's not ready yet but Perfect okay so I just wanted to follow
99% done okay perfect and then um lastly is a request of council they recently just opened up the registration for National League of Cities and I would like to request to attend that conference again um as I did last year but that was would need a vote and
approval to attend that okay if we have a vote on that Richard do we have to take cards on it yes okay thank you Richard i didn't think your name was Richard you changed your name on me okay
okay i Okay so I'm I'm not going to ask you to put You want to talk on that at all you don't have to put in a card we're going to vote on this anybody that wants to It's only three people here you got a card on that vote ask her
yes he puts on his anything that you vote on card for well so this is to attend the National League of Cities Conference come talk if you want to you can say you like it i'll make a motion and I'll pass thank you all right
okay make the motion or Yeah I'd feel more comfortable where is it how much How much is it so it's in Utah it would be I don't know the exact cost but it would be the registration the flight and the hotel i
believe we do have council funds for council budgeted for this as I attended last year so when I talked to previous city manager we do have a fund for city council do we all get to go i I would say I mean we do have the funds and I
you as you know I push and I'm glad so you can ski it's No I don't think they'll be skiing it will be in like Yes yes but and I would like in all honesty I will tell you sometimes I'm I have consistently been at these
conferences by myself in the past me Scoso Mayor Connor's attended the legislative action days if anybody would want to attend this I would highly encourage it i feel like it really does help and benefit our city so I I do think that we have typically council
funds so that would be definitely so would we need a motion for advisability to bring it back i don't before us when is it i don't think so it's in November but typically we just do motion to
approve like motion to approve sending a council member to said conference we certainly have the funds available if council directs we can make it happen yeah motion to approve sending member
Stokel to said conference said conference second okay there's a motion on the floor do we have a second yes second it's been moved and second any other questions all in favor i I
I would nay no yes and I would encourage anybody else to really attend if you guys can i do think it would be beneficial all right thank you any council members that your lights on did you My lights on yes so um talking to Dr
oor about BAA she brought up a good point um that maybe we need to look at expanding the expertise categories for BAA uh maybe include somebody who has an environmental background an attorney we
had an attorney on the board she was great um she became a judge we lost her so I would like to see us request advisability for changing that ordinance
to expand the um professions that can be on that okay well I just while I agree with that totally what happens if we can't you know like we have problems filling boards anyway what happens if we say we need an attorney and we can't get an
attorney but we've got somebody that's good h how well I'm not sure how we approach that it's A B C D or E here okay so uh it says the members of the board should have these kind of backgrounds so I can be on the board
because I'm an architect okay yes so it's ABC or D it's not okay i you have to make a motion so that would be my motion okay wait a minute hold on stan you want to say anything anybody want to say anything about the
motion say something say it thank you okay that would be my motion that we we look at the uh the um makeup of the BAA and include
um somebody with these disciplines attorney or somebody with an environmental science kind of background okay have a motion on the floor do we have a second second motion and a second questions all in favor i I I opposes so
move so I'm not done one no okay i three three okay three so since the zone is gone my question to Mr
uh at lunch today was should we do anou kind of thing where we have those tiff funds and we're directing them so he assured me that Mr broom had all the
answers that was good well I did ask him to be prepared to answer that but um that was it's there's no easy answer we have to do a lot of research and get the proper processes in place but Richard can
detail that a little bit better than I can correct the arrangement now you know we have a tiff in the county has their tiff and per our agreement the tiff money from the zone that we collect goes into the north economic development zone at the county
to be used under their grant programs and as you know they have the district they have their grant programs we do not have identified particular grant programs that they like they have and how they would qualify and how we're going to judge the applications
um so theoretically yes we do have that money but right now it's not set up to do the grants the way they they do them so it would require some modifications in my opinion and you have to decide or reset up to do that is that something
you want to continue or not i don't know i don't know that the countyy's voting i don't know the status of the zone at the county i know that there was some approval to move forward with with that but certainly we could we could research anything this council would like us to research and come back
with that information whatever direction you want to go if you don't mind I would like to have some kind of research some kind of report back on that we probably need a motion because it's going to probably take more than two hours to do that right i don't know what what
exactly do you want us to research what our options are um what it would take to um monitor direct manage the funds ourselves okay and again you would the way it's done now and and not
only manage them but we want to see now you have funds that are being utilized for a couple of projects been approved the mall sewer line so what funds are dedicated to that um I I think probably the easiest
thing for me would be to sit down with you and spend a half an hour let's certainly got three weeks to do that yeah yeah i have three weeks okay okay yeah no certainly we can sit down and go through that and go over the ordinances
with you and and the current interlocals we have the county get some idea where the county's at because like I said even if they don't they still have to fund the projects that already been approved and and look at those accountings what dollars are left what do you have to
utilize at this point then you're going to have to look at forecasting what monies are going to be coming into this tiff in the future to realize what monies you do have available for any particular grant program so let me or does council want to continue with it so
let me do this how about if I sit down with you sometime next week and let's think about it absolutely and the third thing bring um question I had is Airbnbs
do we want to relook at it yeah I w I'll be honest i was kind of taken back a little bit by that discussion just because I or that citizen because I don't know I didn't know the specifics on that i will tell you from the standpoint with like the
Florida League of Cities and uh there's been a lot um in the past where there's been push from the state to kind of strip all regulations i believe and Brad can probably speak to this more so than I can i think we're we're grandfathered in per the state statute where we have
our rules and from my understanding until I heard this citizen in the past eight years of being up here um our our approach has primarily been that we want to make sure we have the checks in place should there be an issue that we you know don't have a neighborhood that we
have a bunch of families going into and then this house that just keeps changing out that we have enough protection there to if we needed to enforce it we could but we are not proactively trying to do like a gotcha we we know they're there but are that is that would that be
correct Brad that would be a fair assessment um just be aware of that any change to that regulation loses that grandfather respect that that's what I was concerned about yeah that was the other if we changed part of the we lose the grandfather everything yeah that
that that is what makes it very sticky so I think maybe we look at it um to see what the issue because I don't know i guess she was sent something from Airbnb to let her know you have not done what you're supposed to do
and I I don't know and I guess she hadn't registered with us and I guess based on where she lives she doesn't qualify to be officially registered would be my guess correct there are se several zoning districts specifically identified in the code that are restricted to rentals of four units four
times a year so that's the max and some zoning districts okay that's primarily our single family zoning districts single family i'd sort of like to relook at it i mean I feel comfortable with the
Airbnb because anytime I go with the kids they make me go to an Airbnb you say that but I'll tell you right now we will lose our grandfathering and I think the restrictions of what would be allowed might be more than you would want potentially so you can I would say
you can definitely look at it but I feel like it would be more restrictive i think and you have to think of um I mean this is a it's a small business for her but a lot of times it's big companies coming in and buying tons of property and then it actually we don't have as
many um housing units even for our residents so I think that that's what I was seeing happened over in Orlando that's good good point okay so I'll be quiet anyway okay yeah i just have a quick question about fluoride do we because of the
state legislation is that still in our water is it coming out well um I sent out an email um May 2nd the legislative session ends and it the bills are flying through the House and Senate that it it looks like a foregone conclusion that
state's going to preempt and say fluoride cannot be an additive in water so um you know we'll probably know by May 2nd which is next week it becomes a new point that uh you know we won't be allowed to use fluoride and
I just want to make sure that our residents are aware we might assume everyone knows but just in case they want to buy fluoride in their with toothpaste like just so they're ready for that um in my second one I had a resident ask me to um share this information and I want to respect that i
got offered a job to work for commissioner Katie Delaney um part-time she offered me a position before I got my I won and um when I won I told her no because I wanted to make sure I could handle this job and so I am working for her part-time doing communications but I
just wanted to um share that and um if there there's anything that needs to be disclosed I I will do that but I sent an email to Richard and to our city um manager just letting them know that as well can I get a motion to extend us another
because we've got the city manager report and the city attorneys all because of you okay so extend it move to extend until 11:10 second moved and second to extend to 1110
questions move to extend till 11:05 i had one more thing I forgot to say that's why I said 11 you'll get another turn yeah 11:03 okay we can always end earlier okay 11 yeah good the motion is to extend to
11:10 right did I get a second i don't know that's I think she second questions all in favor i I opposes all right here we go member Nelson brought this up richard did you say you have three more
weeks okay but I I Okay i I know it's in May and I just will I would like to know if we have an update on how many applications we have and because we won't get to talk again until well into May i feel like um I I don't know when our next meeting is exactly but I think
it's like May 9th or something i can tell you we have five applications three with extensive both county and uh city um attorney experience one um extensive
experience currently is a um city attorney at a smaller city um so I'm hopeful that uh you know May May 5th is when the current posting expires and I think we have three that are suitable
for council consideration and potentially we can get one or two more to get a good pool of candidates getting a lot of hits but uh you know there's not a lot of city attorneys out there yep okay and then just for us I would just be thinking about is that if we
only have five is that good enough what would you want us to do as a board um look at their applications bring on some other I I kind of lean towards bringing in some city attorneys maybe within the county to say "Hey would you mind um you know vetting these for us?" that is that
that was kind of the recommendation I got from some of my fellow elected officials when I reached out to them about the process so I just don't want it to catch us by surprise where Richard's here one day and gone the next and like what's what's going on so I think it's going to happen uh sooner
than we realize so okay I guess it's my turn i just wanted to say that I had the I was I have been asked to speak at a function at the reflection pool in DC on
Wednesday to talk about the erosion of military benefits both for those active and those retired the VA in the next year is going to cut 80,000 people from their roles
so I'm going to be talking to that and I'm also going to be talking about the executive order to take anything pertaining to DEI out of the military and just to give you a a brief example there was
a a young woman that's uh she's now a retired Air Force colonel who was the first Thunderbird pilot and because she was a woman her name was taken out of the history books jackie Robinson who
was in World War II his name has been taken out it's even been threatened to take uh General Colin Power out so I'm talking to those things to those people that will listen so there's a rally in Washington DC at
11:00 on next Wednesday which is the 30th so both my son and I are speaking between us we have 50 years military service so if I don't get shot and get arrested
I'll be back here for a meeting later thank you [Applause] oh okay now city managers report i just have oneformational item um attached in the agenda packet is the staff second
quarter list of strategic plan accomplishments as you know Thursday we're having our FY26 strategic planning session that sets the tone for next budget year um normally then staff will develop internal performance measures
very extensive and then that culminates in a quarterly uh list of strategic plan accomplishments and in the package is what we did in the second quarter okay thank you city attorney i don't I don't have a report just as a
reminder next meeting would be my last meeting at that point if you want to discuss an interim I you know have that on the agenda of course you know Chelsea's the current assistant city attorney if you want to put on the agenda for you to approve that between
for her to act until you do um retain the successor city attorney I can put that on the agenda okay i don't know what you do s you if you want similar to city manager if you want HR involved as far as any adjustment in salary you may
feel appropriate or how you want to handle that that is up to council okay anything else to come before councel i'll entertain a motion for dismissal so moved no second second
third questions all I I I by I I and bye