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Good evening everybody. I'm going to call this regular uh city of Titusville City Council meeting to order. May 27th, 2025 at 6:30. Um first thing we have is the invocation. Can Pastor Blaine come
forward? Pastor Blaine. All right. I'm not seeing him. So, if you would take a moment uh a moment of silence. Thank you. Can you stand for the pledge of allegiance, please? Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much, city clerk.
Individuals wishing to speak on agenda items must complete a signup card prior to the item being introduced. Those wishing to speak on quas judicial public hearings must complete a signup card and sign the oath. Sign up and oath cards are available on the table. Individuals wishing to speak on non-aggenda items
may do so under petitions from the public present. This opportunity is offered twice in the meeting and individuals may speak at either the first or second petitions but not both. No signup card is required. Citizens shall not comment on any issue more than once during the meeting. All comments except petitions
and request must address a pending issue and citizens will be given three minutes to speak on all items. Citizens wishing to speak on the consent agenda must submit a signup card identifying the items of interest. Each speaker shall be limited to three minutes to speak on the entire consent agenda. All signup cards
and exhibits being submitted to city council should be placed in the box on the table. Thank you, city clerk. City attorney, do we have a quorum? Yes, we do. Thank you very much. Member Nelson, are you going to make a nice motion for me? I can move to approve the
minutes of the regular city council meetings on April 8th and April 22nd, 2025. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. City
manager. Yes, sir. We have uh no special recognitions and presentations. Our first item of business is the boards and commissions uh Titusville Housing Authority. And the recommended action is to appoint two regular members to the
Titusville Housing Authority with terms to expire on May 31st, 2029. The members are appointed by the mayor with approval of the city council. Regular members Michael Van Husen and Mary Poke have expressed their willingness and desire to continue to serve on this authority
and have requested reappoint for four years terms to expire on May 31st, 2029. In addition, there is one new application that is on file for consideration. Eda Wil Edna Wilson, her application is attached and she has expressed her willingness desire to
serve on this authority. Thank you very much, city manager. Are any of the applicants here? I see Edna. Is anybody else? Is uh Van Husen or Pulk here? Not present. Edna, would you like to come up say something real
quick? Hi, my name is Eden Wilson. I am a resident of Titusville and I was very excited to actually serve on this board because I am a real estate broker here in town and this is so my heart. I spend every day looking at these people who can't afford housing and it just it kills me and so something has to be
done. So it would be an honor to serve on a board such as this to try to find some solutions for our city. Thank you very much. City clerk, are there any cards on this matter? Yes, sir. Um Miss Terry, Miss Tony Chev. Oh, that's actually item B, isn't it? Okay.
Yes. Thank you very much. So, no more cards. That was easy. All right. Well, I guess this because this is my decision, this is kind of weird. Uh, usually it's a group decision. Uh, but what I have here, and I'll pass this out to council and make sure everybody has a report of it, is the attendance records for the
last 12 meetings. And Van Husen attended 10 out of 12 while Pulk only attended two out of 12. And uh that leads me to the decision where I think uh Van Husen and Miss Edna Wilson uh should be the appointees.
I would agree. All right. So that's my take now. You guys have to vote and if you guys confirm that appointment. So my motion would be to confirm Michael Van Houston and Edna Wilson as the two regular
members on the Tyrell Housing Authority. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Thank you Edna for stepping up and serving. All right, city
manager. So, next item is the Titusville Environmental Commission TEC leave. And the recommended action is to approve Titusville Environmental Commission regular member Michael Mayjack's request for a four-month leave of absence from the Titusville Environmental Commission
meetings for the month of July through October 2025. Thank you, city manager. Mr. Mjack, would you like to stand up and say something? Not particularly. All right, that's all right. City clerk,
we have two cards. Tony Shel Shuffalo Tropic Street I will stand for Michael Mjac as a member of the um TEC. He's not only very knowledgeable about things that go in and out of the Indian River Lagoon. He's also very
knowledgeable about trees and those are two of my favorite topics around town. Um I attend many of those meetings. He runs the meeting very well and very smoothly. Handles dissent and um
situations and now he wants to go away for four months but he's not going to be absent because he stays he's also very computer savvy. Did I mention he's very computer savvy and he is quite capable
of checking in with the board uh that he is a member of via Zoom and we're seeing more and more Zoom. I know at one time it came up and people said well we don't want them calling in by Zoom but I think in this case we should actually consider
it and allow Mr. Mjac to live the double life that he has to live by being out of town for 4 months but still being a vi viable and vibrant member of our community and on
one of your advisory boards. He's got a lot of good advice and a lot of good knowledge and I think it would be a shame to dismiss him from that board. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Tony. City clerk. Stan Johnston. Stan Johnston, um, professional
engineer, 860 Point Poinset Avenue. And, uh, Mr. Mayjack, uh, I see him just about every TEC meeting. And he needs a break. He really does.
I'm there about every time. And and do you think he finds me annoying? Well, yes, he does. And and uh he's tired of hearing me talk about spraying women, children, and babies with piss and poop. And he's really tired of that. And he's tired of me uh complaining
about children and playing in the sewage ponds, Sandp Point Park. and uh uh if it happens again at senior center uh on Wednesday when they so so uh uh going to Maine I think will will
maybe clear his mind a little bit and uh he does need a break um and uh I plan to uh to prepare some more annoying things while he's gone and uh uh that's something he he's he's fed up with. He's
really fed up with me talking about it because sometimes I even think that there's some council members that are fed up with with me talking about spraying people with piss and poop. Uh it's it's annoying because what do you do is the council members what they do
is they they go to the bathroom, flush the things stuff down the toilet and then what happens? It goes to Sandp Point Park and they turn the fountains on and they spray people with piss and poop. I really find it to be kind of sick and depraved that you all would do that. And I talked to Mrs.
Masco, whatever her name is, and she won't she I asked her to tell me why in the world are you the only person that thinks it's bad to do that. Please stay on topic of the appointment uh to the TEC. Okay. Well, anyhow, he's annoyed
with that. And I think you might be too. Uh so so you can understand maybe you need a break too just like he does. I mean Maine might be a good place where you go 4 months. So uh uh all right.
Thank you Mr. Johnson. City clerk. Any other cards? [Applause] All right. Council discussion. Member Mscoso. Oh I was going to make a motion unless there's discussion.
All right. What's your motion? Yeah. I make a motion to approve the request for Titusville Environmental Commission regular member Michael Mjack for a fourmonth leave ab absence from the Titusville Environmental Commission meetings for the month of July through October 2025. Second. All right. There's
a motion and a second. Any further discussion from council? All right. Well, I have something to say. I think council has allowed Mr. Mjack to go on leave. maybe because there wasn't people to fill in, there wasn't people that were willing to
serve. And I think we're at a different point in time where we have a bunch of people that are willing to volunteer. Uh in addition, I would be remissed if I did not mention that I have reached out to uh all chairs of the boards to get to know them, to meet with them, to
understand how their board works. And uh Mr. Mjack is the only one that has refused to meet with me. And I think that says some you should ask. Well, okay. I'm I'm talking I'm talking. Um Christine reached out via phone and
email and uh that that we got no reply because I think it's important that we work together. It's an advisory board, right? And uh I'm really putting the effort in to connect and figure out everything I need to know about the TEC. Um so I just wanted to let you guys know
where I'm at and how I felt. And at this point, clerk, can you call the role? Member Muscosa, yes. Member Nelson, yes. Mayor Connors, no. Vice Mayor Cole, yes. Member Stokel, yes. Motion carries.
[Applause] CL, city manager. Oh, sorry. Vice Mayor Cole, did you have something? I'd like to move item seven to after item 16. Are you motioning the table? Motion to
table and move it to item right after the city attorney's report. All right. Is there a second? Second with discussion. All right. There's a motion and a second. All right. Discussion. Member Stal. Yes. If
we're going to move it to the end, can we just keep the one at number 13 and just have one? Is that would that be okay? City attorney order. I believe that if the council wanted to modify the rules of council that
dictates the order of the meeting, you would need to have a unanimous approval to make that modification. If she's talking about if you just make it once. Yeah. as we've moved items before. You are only required to have one petitions in request for your meeting. Okay. So, we can still have to
we can still move it, I guess, to member vice mayor's uh Cole's request of having it after 16. So, we're not taking away one that we can't do, but we can move it. Yes, you can move it. Okay. All right. Members MSOS. So, what is being proposed
is moving petitions and requests to the end of the meeting. Is that correct? The first one. We still have the second one. Yeah, there's still two of them. We still have the other one, but they're both going to be towards the end of the night. So, for me, we have all of these people here, all of our constituents who
want to speak and they come at a certain time because they know petitions and request is early in the meeting. I do not feel comfortable or feel that it is right that we move petitions and requests to the end of the meeting. I think it's our job as council members to
listen. People go to work. Our meetings sometimes get out at 11:30. To ask that these people stay until 11:30 so they can bring whatever they need to say to us, I think um is the opposite of what we should be doing as council members.
Thank you, member. Well, as this is a business meeting and our goal is to get through it. if we get through it, you know, it'll probably be faster. Uh, but that's just my take on it. Um, any other discussion? Member Nelson?
I sort of get the idea that we would like to get some of the business out of the way. And so my suggestion would be that we look at doing petitions request after the consent agenda. So, let's get the majority of the business out of the
way before we delve into that. That would be my suggestion. Thank you, Member Nelson. Um, see no further discussion. Clerk, can you call the role, please? Point of order. Yes. No. Uh, and I will answer the point
of order. The reason why point of order and you didn't got get a chance to speak is because this is procedural in nature and not requirement of the public comment. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City Cler. Member Nelson.
Mayor Connors. Yes. Vice Mayor Cole, yes. Member Stokel, yes. Member Muscoso, no. Thank you very much. Motion carries. Consent agenda. City manager. Order. Miss Conklin. Miss Conklin, don't make
me warn you again. Thank you, Miss Conklin. Yes, sir. We have four items on consent. We're Any me? Any members of council wish to pull any of the consent items from consent? Vice
Mayor Nelson. Wait a second. I I don't want to pull it, but I did have some questions. Order. I did have some questions on item eight, but I don't think it requires polling. It's just more information. Yes, ma'am. Any
others want to pull anything? Vice Mayor Cole, your lights on. Oh, sorry. All right. Can I have Is there any cards on consent? Yes, sir. We have um three cards. All right. First one, sir. I I'll read the items for the record.
Consent agenda item A, emergency purchase order for a fire apparatus. Approve the emergency purchase of a fire apparatus in amount not to exceed 1.2 2 million and authorize the city manager to execute all necessary agreements and documents associated with the purchase.
8B use of city of Orlando contract IFB23-0119 for sidewalk inspection, grinding, removal, and repair services. Approve the piggyback use of City of Orlando contract IFB23-019 for sidewalk inspection, grinding, removal, and repairs awarded
to American Grinding Company with an estimated annual expenditure of $181,000. 8C area two and area three Wellfield rehabilitation agreement with AMPs Incorporated authorized the piggyback of contract IFB
40-0-2022 slant SM between the city of Palm Bay and Amps Incorporated for area 2 and area 3 Wellfield rehabilitation work to conduct inspections and rehabilitation work as not as needed not to exceed $100,000 and authorize the
mayor to execute the pig back contract 8D advisability consideration of options for the reallocation of former North Bard economic development zone tax increment financing contributions for economic development purposes. requests
an advisability from the city council to direct staff to explore and present options for the strategic reallocation of tax increment financing TIFF funds formally contributed to the North Bard economic development zone following the dissolution of the
NBEDC by Bard County. Thank you, city manager. City clerk, can you call the card, please? Yes, sir. Edna Wilson for item D. Hi again. My name is Edna Wilson, resident here at Titusville. I wanted to
tell a story about I did serve on the INDZ board. So, let me qualify that. I wanted to tell a story about I had a friend come in two weeks ago who had been here about 20 years. And I said, "Let me show you around Titusville." So, we get in the car cuz she had been her husband used to manage Tao. And so, we drove around and start looking and she
was ooing and aing. And I'm like, "Look across the river. There's Blue Origin. Titus." She hadn't seen Titus Landing yet. I was like, "Look at his landing." I showed her our little tumble tots that we own. And then I took her down um past US1 up on Mims and I started showing her
the the new um coffee shop that's been opening. And then we drove by Tao and I showed her the new event place. And as I started looking around at all the things I was showing her, I realized each and every one of those was funded because of Indees because we sat and attracted new
businesses to Titusville. And I said, "I know y'all have a really hard job to do with figuring out how we do that, but we can't stop attracting new businesses. This is the only incentive we have." Oh, I didn't tell her. I also showed her Jesse's whole thing of the new Sears Town and how all the plumbing and all
the the new underground stuff was doing. And it was just such a prideful moment of showing all the things that we were doing as a board to make Titusville great, right? And to do the infrastructure and do the things that we have to do. And so my only reason I'm
putting a card is I just wanted to just really just with all my heart tell you we need things to attract these businesses. We've got to have these things. And so I don't know what that looks like because I'm not some big community activist, but please just hear my heart that we've got
to have something. And I don't know what we're going to do now that Indees is gone, but let's do it together. That's all I know. So thank you. Thank you, city clerk. Jesse Wright for item D.
Good evening. As you know, the commissioners uh not only killed the UN inbeds, but they assassinated it uh last Tuesday. So, I'm here to talk about on behalf of the future investors and the
developers, people that are not present here tonight, people are going to be opening up businesses. They need some kind of a facade, some sort of a seed to be able to start a business. You can't just go in and sign a lease, pay a deposit, and
start out with nothing. So, I'm really hoping that the city of Titusville would be unanimous when it comes to having some kind of a uh economic development incentive with the 1.7 million that is in the general fund.
Now, back in 2010, I purchased a property. It's a very short story. I still have a couple of minutes. I purchased a property in Jackson, Mississippi, uh twice as big as the existing mall right now. And at that time, based on promises of uh President
Obama, there was supposed to be facade and seat money for the businesses are going to start up. This didn't happen, and I lost the property. We cannot do business as developers without
people coming in and opening businesses. And the businesses are not going to open up. Just take restaurants for example. In order to do a restaurant now, you have to have a grease trap underground. That means jackhammering all the way to the shoreline. There's a lot of expenses for these people that
are going to be opening up businesses. And these are going to be the people coming on to my property. and I want to be able to offer them this sort of an incentive. I am sure that the city of Titusville and uh you all be able to come up with some way, shape or form to
be able to make this thing happen because in reality if you don't, you're going to be killing a lot of dreams, a lot of tax revenues, a lot of things that's going to come to the city and you're just pushing these people out to
go to a different city. So, we want to keep these businesses here. And again, I appreciate your time. Thank you. City court. Yes, sir. Um, Stan Johnston for item A, C, and D. Uh, Stan Johnson, 860 Poinsetta Avenue.
Um, no, thank you for taking away our freedom of speech for this uh uh petitions and request for public. Anyhow, that's that's another 8A and 8 C have to do with what I'm going to speak about is what should I speak about? How about illegal activity of the fire department, the police department, and
water resources and the council? Where do I go from here? I think you've heard it before. I think you've heard it before. For example, of of uh spraying women and children with sewage. That's illegal. Mr. Johnson, I don't believe that's on the consent
agenda. Can you please stay on topic, please? Okay. I'm talking about illegal activity. I oppose 8A and 8 C. That's fire and water resources for the way they're spending their money and their training, their education, everything. And it has to do with you, too. Your illegal activity
involving spraying women, children, and babies with sewage. One, two, three, four, five, six. Right there. Fire department, too. I mean, fire and and the police department. You had no business allowing children to be
sprayed. In other words, like I told you before, flushing cats. You know what cats do? They bury their poop. You know what the city council does? Mr. Johnson, please stay on topic. I'm going to This is topic. We don't talk about the consent. This is the topic. If if you believe it's not on topic, you can say I
can. I I have to sit down. You can do that. You can do that. So if you say I sit down, I will sit down. Okay. All right. So what I'm talking about is illegal activity. I do not approve of what water resourc is doing. I do not approve of fire department. I do not approve of anything that they
should do until they correct what they're doing, which is highly illegal. Highly illegal. And I don't get, for example, when I talk to Mrs. Moscoso about it, she won't talk to me about what's going on, about why the four of
you will not stop it. You continue it. All right, Mr. Johnson, I'm going to ask you to sit down now. You're not attorney. Okay. I'm going to sit down and I'm going to I'm going to make a uh request uh with my attorney that you took my time. Thank you. All right. I appreciate that.
I'm a minute. Yep. All right. So, nobody's pulling anything. We got the cards called. Can I have a motion? Well, actually, can I ask a couple questions? Yes. Sorry. Okay. First item A, the firet truck. I'm assuming we have
insurance proceeds because that was fire truck that was t-boned. Am I correct? The insurance proceeds will cover the repairs to the truck which was damaged in an accident. We are not anticipating we are not anticipating any funds for
the purchase of the new apparatus, but our insurance will cover repairs to the damaged uh firet truck which will take approximately a year to repair. Oh, so we do need a fire truck in the meantime. That's correct. Correct. And then item
D, my question was um the Space Coast EDC is supposed to provide services for all of the county, but I think because of the ENBs, they concentrated on the south end of county. Is it possible to
have them come up and speak to us about what role they're planning on? Absolutely. I can reach out to the them and uh see if they can come up and and uh give you a presentation as to what their plans are for North Bard now that
uh the zone has been dissolved. I think that would be good. So, member Nelson, I hope I can answer your question. It's not that they didn't work on the entire county. It's just they did different things like ENBEDs had an actual grant program where EDC really doesn't right.
So, um it's providing those incentives laying the infrastructure and the groundwork for business to to develop. So, um sorry, I just figured I'd clear that up. Okay, got it. Do you want a motion? Yes, please. Okay. Move to
approve consent agenda items A through D. Second. We have a motion and a second. And this is where I go. Hey, any further discussion? I don't see any. All those in favor say I. All opposed. Motion carries. Thank you very much, city manager.
Sir, next item is 9A, a second reading and public hearing for ordinance number 18-2025, updating the impact fees for water and sewer. And our city attorney will read the ordinance. Thank you, city manager. Ordinance number 18, updating impact fees for
water and sewer. An ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, revising, modifying, and amending chapter 34 procedures to increase impact fees for water and sewer. Specifically amending sections 34-421 impact fee intent
34-423 imposition of impact fees. Section for 34-423 use of funds impact fee. Section 34-440 impact impact fee intent. 34-441 sewer impact fees.
34-442 water charges, meter depos deposits, refunds, and creating 34-443 earmarking requirement and clarifying water and sewer impact fees as connection fees and providing force severability, repeat, repeal of
conflicting ordinances, an effective date, and incorporation into the code. Thank you very much, city attorney. Oh, Mr. Cook. Sure. Just to kind of summarize, we brought the impact fee study uh to the council about a
month and a half ago for approval. We advertised on the water bills that this meeting would be the public hearing for a change in connection fees. And uh water and sewer are both going up over a 2-year period for implementation through 25 and 26 roughly uh 6 and a half% water
and about 12% on sewer. Thank you. City clerk. Any cards? One card. It's Dan Johnston. Uh, my name is Stan Johnson. I'm a professional engineer formerly employed by the city of Titusville. And I am very much opposed to what's going on in our
water resources uh department, water and sewer. And uh this is a department that has has flagrantly spent re wasted millions and millions and millions of dollars millions of dollars on what it has been doing with our wellfields and
our storm water. And I say storm water that was before Mr. Cook took it over before the uh uh Mr. I got rid of Mr. Staer. It's horrible. I'm talking about millions and millions and millions of dollars. The area of critical concerns is nonsense.
1985 freshwater management study talks about the guy hersburg principle and that it it it's used for area of critical concern and and use and reason for construction of dams. It's valid. It's invalid in the city of Titusville. There is no unconfined
aquifer in the city of Titusville. That is what you have to have to have that Gin Hersburg principle. It's all lies. Mr. Johnson have to do with impact fees. Absolutely. And impact fees. In other words, they don't deserve any increase. They need to straighten out what they're doing. And I'm talking about even the
dams. These dams that they have, every one of them is illegal. It's illegal. I mean, how can you put a dam in an in a wellfield? No, not not in welfield, but in a low area where there's already a 100red-year flood. And don't contact FEMA. All right, Mr. Johnson. I don't
think dams are on this topic. I'm going to ask you to sit down. They are spent by water. It's been spent by the same people who've been approved them for water resources. Mr. Johnson, thank you for your time. Okay, I'm I'm going to sit down. No. Okay, I understand. Is that I'm going to get my attorney and
I'm going to sue you for freedom of speech. I'm sure you are. Okay. You you this time it's What is it? But we do have rules of counsel that say you have to be on topic for that topic and nothing what you said was on topic. That's the topic. That is the topic. Misspending, misbudgeting by water resources. Very much, Mr. Johnson. Thank
you. You'll be sued. City clerk. That was the last card. All right. All right. So, now we go into the mo motion. Motion to approve ordinance number 18-2025 updating the impact fees for
water and sewer. Second. I have a motion and a second. Any further council discussion? City clerk. Mayor Connor. Yes. Vice Mayor Cole. Yes. Member Stokel. Yes. Member Moscoso. Yes. Member Nelson. Yes. Thank you very much. Motion passes. City Manager.
Sir, moving on to item 9B, ordinance number 19-2025, updating impact fees for police, fire, city hall, and public works. And this is to conduct a second reading and public hearing and the city attorney will read the ordinance. An
ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, revising, modifying, and amending chapter 34 procedures to adjust impact fees for police, fire, city hall, and public works. Specifically amending sections 34-421 impact fee intent
34-423 imposition of impact fees and 34-424 computation of impact fees and providing for severability repeal of conflicting ordinances an effective date and incorporation into the code. Thank you very much. Kevin, are you going to
talk about this one too? Sure. Just again short summary of the last meeting we came with the Rafe Tillis report outlining that the police impact fee will go down next year and we'll hold that rate for the four-year period. Uh the other three fire city hall and
public works will have a 4-year roll in because of the amount of impact. Uh PD will be down roughly 7%, fire up 26%, city hall up 50% and public works up 32% during that period. Thank you very much Mr.
City clerk, one card is Stan Johnston. Uh my name is Stan Johnston and I am here uh to uh uh ask for my constitutional rights for three minutes to discuss this issue in
which the police, fire, council and public works are guilty of numerous crimes and violations of laws and this affects their budget. I should be allowed three minutes to speak
on this that I object to what's going on here. And it's we're talking about not only dishonesty but corruption and cover-ups by the city of Titusville, which includes things like your uh saying that these
uh uh spraying women, children, and babies with piss and poop is okay because you said it many times is okay. It's not okay. And other things is like for example the uh the police department. I've had somebody come up to me I didn't know at
all and complain to me. He says you know what I'm talking to a police officer and he's he's standing in a puddle of of sewage and he doesn't do a thing about it. He won't do anything about it. Can you talk about the impact fees please? This has to do with police and fire.
Fire too. The fire is also responsible for allowing this to happen. It's heinous. It's a heinous thing to do. They're supposed to be like uh our caregivers of our community or protectors of the public. And what do they do? They allow my children and my
grandchildren and people who are sick and so forth being sprayed with sewage, piss and poop. It's it's it's not it's not right what you're doing. They have no business asking for more money when they can't correct what they're doing.
You have rogue people in the police and fire and other people. They're comp they're just breaking the law like crazy and in and our even our elected officials some of them violate laws and they get away with it again and again. So you guys are using lame excuses for
not being honest about what you're doing. It's dishonest and I'm I'm not I'm displeased with it very much. I'm against what you're doing. I have a question. Do you think the police's budget should go up or down? I think someone else you heard it down.
I I I think I think really it should be it you should investigate what's going on and then then you can you should also take it down. Sure because they they need to they need to go ahead and correct the problems that they have and they're not doing it. They're serious
problems. I was arrested illegally. I was not I was when I was put in jail, they didn't even give me the reasons why I was put in jail. They're crazy. Mhm. And and and they did all kinds of things that didn't put in their reports. So I'm
I'm I'm also taking it to internal affairs. So that's another example. The police are not doing right. Thank you. Okay. Thank you for giving me my three minutes. It was close there a few times. All right. Any other cards? All
right. Member Nelson. I move to uh approve ordinance number 19-2025 updating the impact fees for police, fire, city hall, and public works. Second. I have a motion and a second. Any further council discussion?
All those in favor? Oh, sorry. Apologize. City clerk, call the role. Vice Mayor Cole, yes. Member Stokl, yes. Member Moscoso, yes. Member Nelson, yes. Mayor Connors, yes. C manager. Sir, item 9 C is a sidewalk waiver ordinance and
recommended action is to conduct a second reading and the public hearing of ordinance number 20-2025 amending the code of ordinances related to waiverss of sidewalk construction and city attorney will read the ordinance. An ordinance of the city
of Titusville, Florida, amending the code of ordinances related to waiverss to sidewalk construction requirements by amending chapter 30 development standards section 30-238 road and sidewalk requirements and section 30-239 bicycle facilities providing for
severability, repeal of conflicting ordinances, incorporation into the code, and an effective date. Thank you. City Attorney Brad. So for your public hearing, I'm just going to summarize quickly what this ordinance is. Um back in August last
year, this council approved advisability directing us to propose this ordinance. Basically, um adjusting the waiver criteria, uh specifically clarifying how a sidewalk is determined to be not practical and standards on the calculation of a fee and the use of a sidewalk trust fund. We currently have a
sidewalk trust fund. The way a sidewalk waiver request works is through the site development permit or a building permit process. We get a request to wave installation, the required installation of a sidewalk. If they meet the criteria, it's an administrative review.
Then they can go forward without having to install the sidewalk. Uh if they do not meet the criteria, they have a second bite of the apple basically asking if the sidewalk could be considered not practical. And there's a different set of criteria for that. If it is determined to be not practical,
then they would have to pay into the the sidewalk trust fund and uh we currently have a fund with some monies in there. It's not very much, but it is used for sidewalk infill in other parts of the city. We found some issues related to
this. We brought this up to you. We asked for an opportunity to provide some clarification and tighten the criteria and we proposed that into the ordinance which you'll see on page page 368 of your packet. The first part about sidewalk
criteria or tighten that up. So, basically, if a sidewalk is already planned to be put into on that road um within the 5-year program, uh then they can we can wave that sidewalk. That's current criteria. We're just restating
that here. The other is we're redefining what that 75% rule is. It's been very difficult to apply administrative level. We want we mainly wanted the opportunity to kind of clarify that and make it tighter if we're going to continue to allow these waiverss to be processed administratively. So that gives us some
more clarity as to how we can apply this. And we think from the staff's point of view, it's much easier to apply than the current language. And that basically means if if there is a um uh from the property that's being requested and not put in the sidewalk, a certain distance of it, if there are other
extenduating circumstances within a certain distance of that particular property that we can approve that waiver and it's a little bit tighter than what it's currently stated. If they are not qualifying for that waiver, then the other option is to go for a variance before the board of adjustment. So, we
were moving, we're proposing to remove the practical option out of this and therefore remove the sidewalk trust fund option. So, it makes it harder not to put in a sidewalk. Um, the intent of putting sidewalks is to make sure you have a
cohesive network. Uh, if you're going to wave them, it should be very strict. Uh and right now the way the current code is and where the the proposed code is written uh this does not apply on arterial roads especially on state
roads. This really only applies to local roads. So we're clear we've also clarified that in here as well. So the sidewalk trust fund any remaining funds will just be available to be used for the purposes that they were initially intended to be used and until they run
out. So with that I'll try to answer any questions you have about this. Thank you very much, Brad. City clerk, we have one card. It's Stan Johnston. Uh Stan Johnson uh PE been here 53 years. I've uh lived on uh in houses
that do not have sidewalk. Uh and I even lived in a house that did have sidewalk. The only house on the street that had a sidewalk. So, uh, uh, I'm against strict enforcement of of what's going on because I see a number
of things happening. One, number one is this is this is that we've got sidewalk that needs to be repaired and the city can be sued if it's not if it's not uh repaired. I had a neighbor who fell
backwards on a sidewalk. She hit her head and it killed her. These trip hazards are serious. Can be serious hazards. That's an example of someone got killed. So the city of Tyville is not is
not is not is not keeping up with the repairs of the sidewalk. No way. So the thing is is when you put more sidewalk, you're adding responsibility to that. I want you to understand is that 405 along
South Street from the water tower to to a a long stretch used to have a an 8 foot wide concrete sidewalk. Guess what? Traffic tore the thing to pieces. So what did they do? They replaced it
with concrete again. And traffic again, what did they do? They tore it to pieces. All kinds of ups and downs. That's what happened. So I said to John Preston, I said, "Listen, Peterson, I think it's Peterson. I said, "Listen, why don't you do asphalt?" So they put asphalt in. So it's lasted far longer
than any concrete sidewalk. So sometimes there's no brain power used in the city of Titusville. And this is one of the cases that I'm think you're going to do. There's no brains in what you're doing. You're going to hurt the city instead of that. And what the city has done recently, they put in a number of sidewalks like
on Tropic Street, both sides on Tropic Street. Do we really need both sides of Tropic Street? Let me give you an example. There's no schools. There's no kids. I ride that back and forth sidewalk on on the uh um on the street
and almost no sidewalk traffic and we we had sidewalk mostly on one side and now we're getting it on both sides. We don't need it. It's a it's a liability that you that you're encouraging. I' I'd say at least uh table this issue if anything
but I think you you guys and are just nuts. You don't know what you're doing. You can applause. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. And uh just wanted to let you know uh Mr. Johnson that in the consent agenda I
believe we we hopefully are addressing that. So um was that the only card, city clerk? I don't remember. All right. Can I have a motion? Member Nelson. Move to approve ordinance number 20-2025
uh relating to waiverss of sidewalk construction. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further council discussion? Seeing none, uh, clerk. Member Stokel. Yes. Member Moscoso? Yes. Member Nelson? Yes. Mayor Connors? Yes.
Vice Mayor Cole? Yes. Motion passes. Thank you very much, city manager. Mr. Item 9D is a synthetic turf ordinance and the recommended action is to conduct the second reading in the public hearing of ordinance number 21-2025 amending the code of ordinances
to provide standards for regulating the use of artificial turf. And our city attorney will read the ordinance. An ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending the code of ordinances to provide standards regulating the use of artificial turf by amending sections
30-202 storm water management permit 30-321 plant materials 30-323 existing vegetation and 37-1 definitions and creating section 30-325 artificial turf providing for
severability repeal of conflicting ordinances. says incorporation into the code and an effective date. Thank you. City attorney, city clerk Mike Bofo. Mr. Mayor, I do have a couple things I want to bring up to your attention. Since the last time you saw this at your
first reading, there were a couple changes on this. All right. I'm I'm going to get through the the public comment. Thank Okay. I'm Mike Buffalo. I live at 3042 Edington Drive. My son lives at 3041. Uh we installed artificial turf two and a half years ago.
Um unbeknownst to the ordinance, our contractors installed it. It's been fine. Uh it's withstood a number of storms. It doesn't pond. It's made in Tmacula, California. It has passed all
the EPA standards. And um I'd love you guys to use ours as a as a standard as to what should be installed. Uh it came at a great expense, but there's a background story and we don't need to go into it about the developer and how he
didn't really plant real good turf for our houses. We have a very nice gated community. Um, and then he tried to install his version of artificial turf, which is why we're here tonight because we got involved in his problem. And uh,
like I said, it had been installed and on the ground for two and a half years before anyone ever said anything. And nobody in our neighborhood is complaining. It's just we're kind of collateral damage. Um, I respect the fact that the governor has a bill on his
desk that will make artificial turf uh okay to use in the state of Florida. Um, as you know, the complex in Vieiraa has 15 ball fields. It all has artificial turf. It's in Bard County. Um, I understand the impacts, you know, to our
our our water systems and stuff. We have other things involved that I think are bigger fish to fry than our runoff or our possible damage from our artificial turf over the next 20 years. Um, that's
all I have. Okay. Thank you very much, sir. Thank you, city clerk. Matt Bo. Good evening, council. Um, I won't add much more to what my father said, but I think in consideration of understanding in city of Titusville water runoff and all of the pollutants that happens and
what we all go to enjoy the river and all of that, I think when you think about artificial turf in general, what was signed by the state uh both in the House, Senate, and of course just waiting for the governor to sign, I think it should be taken into consideration and understanding when you think about the impacts of what that is,
you're talking about something that doesn't have to take any chemicals. We don't have to put down pesticides. We're not putting fertilizers down that run off or anything of that nature. Um, and the further impacts when certain
individuals talk about an unrecyclability of product. I I work in that side of the industry and I can tell you they can be recycled properly and regground. Um, so I think when you're thinking about all of that in general
and where it can be placed, uh, overall there are positive benefits to it. I'm not saying to completely rip out everything, but I think when you do it in something that's a holistic manner to your home and you have planter beds and everything else that confides with Florida friendly standards and what the
state has said, there's a way of doing this in a very environmentally friendly way that both provides benefit to, you know, the state but also to the individuals and our community and having a beautiful, you know, aesthetic product
that works well with everything that's being required. Thank you very much, sir. I think we're about at three minutes. Uh the timer didn't start on me, so but I was trying to keep track on the the computer when I noticed. Um next
card, please. Tony Shel. Well, despite what's been said already here tonight, what needs to be said again and again about how bad synthetic turf is for the environment and for the people who live with it? Yet again and
again, our state legislature shows its hate for the residents of Florida by passing legislation that harms the environment and the people while aiding and abetting the developers and their tangent industries. Staff has devised an
ordinance that complies with the state synthetic turf law, but stands strong against the use of any other plastic plant materials. I don't like it, but like I said before, state preeemption. I also don't like the um PNZ
recommendation to remove section F about visibility of artificial turf from from view. Um remember the public derision and humiliation the CRA got when they proposed hanging baskets
of plastic flowers to beautify downtown. Plastic grass will not beautify our town despite what these gentlemen have to say because the benefits of using artificial turf are negated by the adverse effects.
While applicants will claim this plastic is PFS PAS free and lead free, there are dozens of other carcinogens and harmful chemicals involved in making plastic grass. Miss Stoflel, it does deteriorate
in the hot Florida sun despite what the manufacturer claims and it slowly dissipates into our storm water runoff which here flows into the Indian River Lagoon. So, how can that not be harmful? This ordinance will pass
and people will want to use artificial grass, but it should be made as difficult as possible for them to do so so that we can maintain native and natural plants in our town. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Tony. City Cler. Stan
Johnston. Stan. Yes, she called you. Stan, did you call me? Yes. Stan Johnston. Uh, quiet now. Thank you. U, I'm a veteran and I'm also u uh here
about the Constitution. Uh, I've got uh uh I heck my um when I talk about the Constitution, I think about my great I'm the great what is it? great grandson of
Benjamin Franklin Maize uh and f and son of Franklin uh Johnston and I uh and also I'm I'm a veteran. So I talked about the constitution earlier about freedom of speech and that's
number one. Number two was due process of of law like you're when you when you build damson city high school, you're violating that. Mr. Johnson, we're talking about artificial turf. Please do not interrupt me. I will get you back on topic. No, no, you're taking my time. I don't know. I I object to it
because number three, I was going to say what? Guess what I was going to say. I was going to say expost facto. Now, listen up. Listen up, Mr. Mr. Connor. I want you to listen to what I'm talking I'm talking about the Constitution. You have no business interrupting me at this time. So, I'm asking about the
Constitution because I spoke to the Board of Adjustments and Appeals about this very issue. Are you listening? You can say yes, sir. Mr. Mr. Johnson, please stay on topic about artificial. I am on topic. You're interfering with me. I talk about expos. I spoke I I spoke at
a board of adjustment and appeals meeting about this very issue about the people who are suffering because of it and the thing I asked the question is this an exposfacto situation. Do you know what expos means? I hope so. Let me
explain to you what it means. In other words, you don't arrest somebody for a for for a law and then that that you made up after after the uh the the c the action happened. You don't do it. That's called esposactory after the fact. You
don't create a law. So, I'm asking I'm asking this young lady here who's an attorney. She she might know because she didn't answer the question before. Is this a situation of exposfacto? How does that have anything to do with artificial? says it's what how does that have to do with this ordinance? She just
answered my question. She said this is not a case of expose factor. So I may I say to her thank you and no thank you to you for inter your interruptions. You have no business doing that. I've got freedom of speech here that you've been violating and the sunshine law. Thank you. Thank you very much sir. And I do
have every business to keep the media pardon. I have Please sit down. Okay. I'll sit down. Sit down. I have every right and duty under our charter and our ordinances to run an or Mr. Johnson please sit down so I'm not
debating you. I'm listing our rules of ordinances that it's my job to keep to quorum and to move an orderly meeting forward and therefore I have the power in me to determine whether people are on topic and you are yelling about things that have nothing to do with artificial turf. City clerk, please call the next
card. We received an additional card after the item started. Would you like to hear it? Um, that would be against the rules. That would be up to council. Okay. Okay. Well, please make a motion to approve it. So, it's official. I'll
move to approve the additional card. Second. I have a motion and second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you, city clerk. I just can't make that determination myself. Okay. Um, Christina
Michelle Before I get up here, I just want to say Charles talking about artificial turf. Do any of these names look familiar? Strict political and economic control governs the colonial policies of modern
colonial powers. Colonists are motivated by personal economic goals, establishing strict political and economic control through colonial policies, procedures,
positions with the goal to maintain power. What is a NDA? [Music] Can you please stay on the top? A legal contract, protecting sensitive information, trade secrets, business
plans, client data, creating legal consequences. Tamari Charles. All right, ma'am. I'm going to ask. You sit down. You're uh I'm getting there. I said artificial turf and we getting there. We want people that will not act as
barriers to information, growth, or development. I want people that protect people, love people, honor people, respect
people. May I ask, do you, as members of Titusville City Council, feel comfortable in your community? Do you feel safe amongst the people you sit with? All right, ma'am. You're going to have to sit down. You're off top. I do not over. Thank you. And I do not feel safe here.
Thank you. Please have a seat. The identity of a recess being erased through attacks on health economic I had one for you. Yeah. 11A is what I have for you.
11A is the native plantings one. Did Sorry. 11A is the native plantings one. Yeah. All right. Well, the topic at hand is whether you have a card in for this and the city clerk says you don't have a card. So, city
council, is there a motion to hear Mr. MJ? I have no problem with Mr. MJ speaking. Yeah. Yeah. I second. All those in favor say I. I. All oppose. Motion carries unanimously. Mr. MJ, the floor is yours. Curtis, can you fix the microphone,
please? Podium. Oh, thank you. And to uh get a phone call back, you have to call in the first place. Mayor, you never called. you never wrote. So don't accuse me artificial to you when you never artificial turf when
I start my time. Right now we're talking about that other issue. Your time has started. Please reset my time. I came here to talk about artificial turf and I know that the state has already preempted our ability to not have it. We know it's no good. We know
it's not good for the environment. You just have to look at what happens to it when you decide to turn it into the landfill. It must go in a lined landfill. Now, doesn't that tell you something about it breaking down and what it creates? If you want to put
artificial turf, you should create a lined landfill, a a way to catch the leate that comes off of it. When the water rolls and the sun beats down, ultraviolet light is ionizing radiation.
It breaks it apart. The water rinses it down. Where is it going? Into our land. And that's not healthy. It's just healthy. The New York Times did a study. They found that to properly install
artificial turf, it costs $10 a square foot. It's $1,000 for a square thousand square feet. So you can imagine if you took a thousand square foot yard, that would cost you $10,000 to put in
artificial turf if you did it properly. Well, what would that same $10,000 look like after 10 years if you put in $1,000 of landscape material every year? In 10 years, if you were planting native
landscaping, you would have a lush, wonderful Florida landscape. When you put in artificial turf, in 10 years, you're ripping it out, leaving the land devoid, naked, and that landfill still wants that that
material. Part of it is left behind. And unless you clean it up and remove it, it will continue to live in the environment. Now, the people that live with artificial turf have a much higher present presentation of POS and POS in their
blood. They're living with it. It doesn't work the same as regular grass when you fall on it. You get an asphalt rash from this stuff. You don't from dirt. Please consider whatever we do to put in artificial turf. make it as
difficult as possible so that our environment stays protected from the water that washes off this stuff. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. MJ. Thank you for hearing me, Brad. Did you have anything to add?
Since the last time you saw this on I'm going to point you to uh page 384 of your packet and you'll see it begins with the standards for allowing artificial turf. Under the paragraph C, it initially said artificial turf shall
be limited to use on developed single family lots. That has been changed now to artificial turf shall be limited to use on single family lots. Instead of the word development, that word develop was removed. and any other instance similar throughout this ordinance. We made that correction. It was mainly just
to clarify that this is specifically to single family lots only and not to any particular development. The standards you see in here uh as you know um we are the governor has on his desk a bill which I've attached into the agenda here. If
he signs it, it will not become effective still until D comes up with a rules which whenever that might be, we're not sure. So that's why we decided to go forward with this ordinance to see if we can get it adopted, at least have some standards in place. But if you see the standards beginning on page 384 in
the next couple of pages, uh it limits the location of where artificial turf can be and gets very specific as to what type of material should uh you'll have to utilize, adhere to and how you maintain it. And if you recall, these are standards that we generally brought found from other jurisdictions and
brought to you at previous meetings. Uh so we believe that this satisfies your request. We'll try to answer any questions you have. Thank you. Is there any discussion on the matter? Member Stokel. Yes, I did have one
question. Um one of the recommendations from PNZ was in regard to uh J where they suggested a cup instead of a variance. Did you have any thoughts on that? I don't think that's a good idea
because usually a conditional use permit is something you um impose on a list of permitted uses only because you believe that in order to allow that use that may be considered inside or permitted inside that zoning district might have to have
an additional scrutiny. What is being requested here and let me give you an example of that. a gas station, for example, in a near neighborhood might have might be worthwhile to have an additional hearing just to make sure there might be some mitigating factors you need to consider
conditions of that use to allow to be compatible with adjacent uses. Daycare, for example, is another one, which you're going to hear later this evening. Um, a using a conditional use permit to determine whether it's appropriate to put in um artificial turf, you know,
development standards like that. It's not typical for conditional use for the use of a conditional use process. So to in our mind um not able or not willing to adhere to certain development
standards that is typically the purview of uh variance before the board of adjustment. So we think that's more appropriate. Okay. So, if I'm hearing you correctly, basically, we would if we approve this ordinance, anything that doesn't follow within these guidelines, then would go
to BAA, whereas right now they're getting all of the BA is getting all of the artificial turf requests. Well, they're getting them all right now, right? Um the the problem with the the board has is they they do not have standards to really go
by and then they rely on staff to come up with that and we don't have anything to really advise them on. Okay. And so that the the benefit of this ordinance will provides that guidance and this will give them rules so they don't need to go to BAA but if they find themselves not being able to meet something and
want to apply for a variance then with this language they could still go to BAA. Correct. Potentially. Okay. Um, and then I just did want to address some of these other sections from PNZ. Um, D
on the permeability. I think that they had recommended uh removing it. I don't think that's a wise idea. Yeah, I believe they were asking to
remove F in a previous section under um I see on here remove part D completely and Oh, excuse me. Yes. And so that that to me gives us some protection. So I'm not really in favor I think of that. I would like to make sure that they if
they're using turf that it meets certain standards. This Yes. So during the um board of adjustment meetings, this is the issue. Okay. Typically is what is the appropriate permeability rate and that is a standard we do not typically we currently have don't we don't t we
don't have we do not have that. Uh okay that's kind of even though P&Z is recommending getting rid of it I I do feel like it might be good for us to keep that one. Um and then Jay he answered I think we should keep that as a variance. And then on F I think that's the one uh when concealed. I will tell
you reading F was a little bit confusing to me because it says synthetic plants prohibited and then it makes it look like turf is prohibited but then it says it's not prohibited. Um so that one was a little bit confusing to read. I don't know how it could potentially be
changed. Um but I know PNZ recommended when concealed. Uh I I don't think that's necessary. I think we have enough of the protections in here that I'm fine with keeping that. Um, and I think that's all my
comments right now. Thank you, member So, member Nelson. So, I will say I don't like artificial turf period. But that being said, a young part of me was like, well, it might take D five years to come up with standards. Should we do
it now or should we wait? And I think thinking it through, we need to go ahead and do this because then at least we have those standards. So, um,
unfortunately, that's how it goes. All righty. Um, yeah. I mean, to to member Nelson's point, you know, maybe if we get something in place a little bit early, you know, if the D comes out down the road, maybe we might be a little grandfathered in. Yeah, maybe. Uh, here's the to open. Mr. Brad,
did you have a comment to that? I there's one other thing I do want to bring up to you. If you look on page 385, paragraph Q, the last one. So we debated whether we need to come up with a permitting process separate to
our regular permitting process. In other words, specific to artificial turf. So if someone decides to propose a single family home, new construction, and they propose artificial turf at that point, it'll be inspected at that time with the
completion and close out of that permit for that development. Outside of that, we are not proposing a separate process. So, it's almost like what we currently have in our code right now where it says you can have um a shed that's less than
120 ft in your backyard as long as you can put it out there and you don't have to get a permit from us. Um as long as you meet the code criteria. So, you just it's pretty much an honor system in that case. But obviously, if it is found to be in violation by whatever means in the future, then they have to be corrected.
That's the same concept here. So if a property owner wants to go forward and put in artificial turf that have to meet these criteria, they're this is the guides they're supposed to use, but it's not going to be a separate permit or inspection process. So I just want to make that clear for the board. I have a
quick question for you. Is there a separate process if it's like 120 square feet of artificial turf or is it just it doesn't matter how large it is? As long as they meet this criteria. So mainly it's the locationational criteria and the material. So it's got to be in the rear
or side and have to make sure they utilize these materials. Gotcha. Thank you very much. I'll entertain a motion from councel. Member Nelson. Move to approve ordin ordinance number
21-2025 regarding synthetic turf. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk. Did your motion include the PNZ recommendations or no? No. No. Okay.
Member Muscosa. Yes. Member Nelson? Yes. Mayor Connor? Yes. Vice Mayor Cole? Yes. Member Stokel? Yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much. City manager. Yes, sir. 9E is conditional use permit
number 1-2025 5195 South Washington Avenue. And the recommended action is recommending approval of CUP number 1-2025 to allow a child care facility at 5195 South Washington Avenue.
All right. Is the applicant here? Would you like to come up and say something? You don't have to. I was just, you know, inviting you. Yeah. Okay. Because you you look like a darling. Sorry. City clerk, are there any cards on this
matter? Can you call the first one, please? Darren Williams. Mayor, would you like me to read the rules? Oh, yep. Sorry. Quasa judicial. Go ahead, sir. I'm going to let her read something real quick, but you'll be right next, so don't go too
far. During the public port public hearing portion of the meeting, anyone wishing to speak on a quasi judicial item must first sign a public hearing agenda card and sign the oath contained thereon, swearing to tell the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth. These cards are located on the table at
the entrance of the chamber and should be provided to the clerk. Those speaking in favor of a request will be heard first. If you have photographs, sketches, or documents that you desire for the city council to consider, they must be submitted into evidence and will be retained by the city. Please submit
such exhibits to the city clerk. City clerk, have you received signed oath cards from persons wishing to speak before the city council swearing to tell the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes, sir. I mean, yes, ma'am. Um staff and applicant, um please ensure that all of your witnesses that intend
to speak have signed a note card and present it to the clerk. If there is anyone present who has not signed a note card that wishes to speak on quasi judicial item, please submit a card to the clerk at this time. City clerk, have all agenda items been properly
advertised? Yes, ma'am. In the event that a council member has received an exparte communication verbal or written outside of the hearing, the council member shall disclose the identity of the person, group, or entity with whom the communication took place and the subject of the communication, including all opinions or facts
discussed. Any written communication must be disclosed and made a part of the record. Also, in the event that a member has conducted an investigation or site visit or received any expert opinions regarding the quasi judicial item, said visit or opinions shall be
disclosed. Are there any exparte communications that anyone likes to reveal, wishes to reveal? No, not seeing any. I think I don't know if we all have them or not, but I have four emails regarding this. Well, yeah, we all got the same thing. Okay. I just want to
make sure that's on record then. Okay. Thank you. First, we'll hear the staff's presentation if he has anything to add and then we'll have have the applicant speak. Okay. I just want to point you um to the page um 430 of the
report, I'm sorry, of your packet and basically my we did our review of this based on the conditional use permit criteria. uh we found it to be consistent with the comprehensive plan with the code. Uh we do recommend one particular condition
with approval of this and excuse me light buffers. Is that what you called them? Yeah, I'm sorry. The trying to find it here. The condition is specifically uh a phototric lighting plan shall be submitted demonstrating that exterior lighting is
fully shielded and designed to prevent glare or spillover onto adjacent single family residential properties. Now this develop property is already developed. Uh but in order to get a business tax receipt from the city they will need to adhere to these conditions prior to approval of that if this is approved.
So, if you see on page 434 of your packet, you'll see the concept plan that will govern this property if this conditional use permit is approved. It shows it demonstrates or illustrates compliance with the landscape and buffer requirements. Uh as far as dimensions,
the location, the special condition related to the location of the playground area in relation to adjacent single family, which has to be more than 50 ft away and the uh prior to approval or issuance of the business tax receipt um
allowing the the property to be utilized for this daycare, they'll have to adhere to these conditions. uh page 436, you'll see an aerial that kind of illustrates where this is located in relation to uh the single family. With that, I'll try to answer
any questions you have. Thank you, Mr. Parish. Sir. Okay. First, I want to thank my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for allowing me to speak. That's something to give applause to, right? Anybody? Because he loves
everybody in here. And maybe contrary to everybody, some of you all, he even loves our mayor. And so, um, my name is Darren Williams. Uh, quick reason why I'm here. First of all, this is the first time in 35 years
that I've been here. Um, Tom Mariani was the mayor and I was 19year-old project kid from Robins Avenue, Kenny Mana that turned his life around and went back and graduated from school. He called me here and gave me the keys to the city. Stacy
Lincoln, my classmate, who we both flunked a couple of times. Sorry, B, but we did and we got out. So, that's I've also had the privilege to work with Miss Jolyn Nelson uh with kids uh about 15 years of my life. Uh we you were state
attorney and I was with uh steps at the time. So, today I'm here for personal reasons and for the city. There's a a young woman, my beautiful wife there. She gave birth to a young daughter of our many children uh nine years ago and
we didn't have a place to take her. Uh she has what's called uh tetrology of float and she has a very severe case. I try to cram it all in in three minutes. She has a very severe case where she's had three open heart surgeries. Um just
very complex. So working and my wife working for the school board, it's just difficult for us to really try to stay consistent with leaving her anywhere, taking her anywhere. But the young lady back there, Miss Lkesha, she took our daughter in and she'll tell you, you know, I can cry if
I tell the whole story. I really don't want to get too deep into it, but she was there. Our daughter's 9 years old. She's cared for her from an infant. um whether she would turn blue, she just she just always that facility that she's
done in on this journey um meant a lot. And this is the new generation of people that are going to be able to help Titusville establish these younger generations. We're adults. I'm 53. We're all kind of up there. We'll quarrel all
day, right, Mr. Johnson? But okay, but we have to This is for these young kids. I ask the favor of God through all you just approve this building and give this young lady the opportunity to make a real impact on Titusville, Florida.
Okay? Somebody has to have a shot at one of these big buildings. It's a lot of Assad going on in Titusville with these big buildings. We could talk the fake numbers and all that stuff. This is real life reality. Uh our daughter could have died so many times and this young lady
kept her with the staples with just we don't trust nobody with our daughter. I'm shaking to get home now cuz we just you know with her condition but we thank you. Okay this building sir appreciate
you city clerk Michelle and it's I'm not going to pronounce the last name. as I am. Okay. Good evening. I'm a little nervous, so be patient with me. Um I'm uh here to
ask you guys for your approval tonight um for the building on 5195 uh Washington Avenue. Um as my husband said before, we have a daughter that's there already. We actually have three daughters that are there um or at the
facility where she is, but we would like to get this approved so that she can get into this building. Um I really do appreciate the work that she has done so far with our children. I would like for that to to continue. Um, also having a
24-hour um, daycare or daycare in at all would benefit not only us as parents, but the city of Titusville. Um, I don't believe that in Titusville or Bvard County, I believe. I haven't done my research, so don't take it to heart, but
I don't think there's a 24-hour. There's at least not one around here. Um, so for parents that have those schedules that aren't just 9 to5 um that would need someone to take care of their children um in the evening hours, I believe that
this would help those parents um to do and to um take care of their families um by offering the child care that they would need. Um, so again, I just really um ask that you approve this so that um
we can offer that service to your children as well. Thank you very much, city clerk. Carolyn Wood. I know Miss Brown for who? I'm about to
cry. Many years. Uh, single mom. Amazing, amazing young men she raised. I can't tell you how much she does for the community. It's an honor and a privilege to know her and to be standing here right now. And thank you.
Hello, council. Um, my name is Carolyn and I'm speaking on behalf of Miss Lkesha Brown. She is a dedicated child care provider. She's a passionate advocate for their families in the community. Uh she's run
a successful daycare for as long as I've known her. She's been a lifeline to many working parents. Um recently she's found herself in a situation where she's had to relocate. She found this amazing building. It's perfect. It's so perfect.
It was zoned for a daycare before. Was never used for one. and then apparently got reszoned is my understanding. And uh we need to get it back to a daycare cuz she belongs there. She's seeking the approval to restore the building to use it for the
daycare so that she can continue to serve the families that depend on her. It's not just a daycare. It's uh as it was mentioned, she's creating a 24-hour care facility and that is desperately needed. We don't have that
in this area. There's a lot of parents who work overnight shifts, the nurses, um emergency responders, single parents that have few options, you know. So, um and she's not doing it for profit. It's for a purpose. Honestly, that's who she
is. As long as I've known her, she takes from herself and gives to others. She did a school supply drive, pay for everything. what almost 500 backpacks she gave out. Supplies, hundreds and hundreds of kids. And I watched it happen. And I didn't help her pay for
that. She did it. She's just an amazing woman. And she needs a break. This is the perfect building for her. It'll help so many people in Titusville. I'm just here to ask you to please give her that. Thank you. Thank you, city clerk.
Dean Moxley. City Cler. How many more cards do we have on this? Seven. Would it be fair to say everybody's in support of it? Seems about that. Yes, it looks we have
all in support and then one neither. Sorry, I have a broken hip. So, that's why it's taking a while. Um, some years ago, uh, Lkesha asked me to run a soccer program for the daycare
she had for her four sons and for my two grandsons and then for everyone else. How did I get involved in soccer? That was my nighttime job, I guess. 22 years. I coached astronaut, varsity, titisville
varsity, coach a lot of soccer. What I did, I had all these children come and I aided them learning the game of soccer, the skills of soccer. And it was all because she wanted to make a contribution to the community. So, she
used me. She asked me to help her get a new facility so that she can do what she's always done, the right thing. So, I speak on behalf of her and I think she would make a contribution to the community because I've I've witnessed it
and u thank you for your time. Thank you, sir. Can I say one thing? Member Nelson, can I say one thing? Yes. It feels like old home week. You're looking good, judge. Well, I when he said he was teaching the
kids playing soccer, I thought that's how he broke his hip. So, he might have. Yeah, no. Be careful out there. Those soccer kids are rough. I was watching a football game. I had tea in my
hand. It was a good good play. I can't remember what the game was. Thank you, sir. City clerk LD Bryant. Good afternoon, Mr. Mayor and the council. Uh, I met Miss Brown about two and a half months ago. Um, I was
actually on my way to Coco and we stopped in her facility. And by me being a pastor, I was truly impressed what she's doing in that facility. The Bible said, "Try the spirit by the spirit." And I spent time with her. My wife and I spent time with
her. And she showed me the amazing things that she's doing in that place. You guys have to pass it. Not only that, economic growth, jobs are being created, families are being saved, children are being protected and trained, children
are being taught the right way. She's a caring and loving lady. You know, you and I spoke about economic growth. That's a part of it. If we can start right here, you know, we can expand a community. It takes a a village to raise a family. She's a part of that village.
So, please, I humbly ask you guys to actually pass it. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Rondale Henderson. Rondale Henderson. Good evening. Uh Rondell Henderson. I'm here to pretty much implore you, the
council members, to go ahead and approve the uh 24-hour daycare for Miss Brown. Um, I've been going to her daycare since 2015 when I moved here. I only had one kid at that time. Since then, I've had two more and she's known my kids since
infancy, since birth pretty much. Uh, my kids have been going there for all their lives. They're 10, nine, and seven now. And it this will be a good help. Especially right now, um my work
schedule is not always within the hours of operation for normal daycarees. So a 24-hour schedule would be a help to not just myself, but to everyone else who works overnight, works early
morning, different types of shifts. That's all I have. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. Jared. Jared. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Jared. I've been in Titusville probably for three years, four years now. Uh went
through terrible divorce. Got my kids uh two years ago. Uh their mom moved away. Uh I had nowhere to take them. Uh at the divorce, as everybody know, we had to come off a lot of money. So, uh, found Miss I work in the barber shop extreme barber lounge. Found Miss Kha. Everybody
talked, you know, highly of her, what she was doing. When I found out, you know, that she had a place. Went and talked to her, told her about my situation. She had no problem, you know, giving me a couple weeks, couple months, you know, when I was behind. Uh, it was sometimes I didn't want to take my kids cuz I didn't want to pay, you know what
I mean? She don't do that. Bring the kids. They need to learn. They need to be here. So, uh, she gave me a chance. ask you all to keep her open and let her, you know, give her a chance to keep us all in business because if if she closes, don't get a chance, then we all have to figure something out. So, thank
you. Thank you, sir. Tommy Hicks, Tommy Hicks, Jr., Um, I'm here in full support of the approval for a conditional use permit number 1-2025. Uh, for the sake of time to allow the other parents to speak, but
I've just been a witness to everything that they're um speaking about and mainly outside of the requirements. Uh, she goes above and beyond as far as her love and her passion and care for the children. Um, so in order for that to continue to grow, for the the family,
the children, and just the community as a whole to be impacted in a positive way, um, this approval would definitely benefit everyone involved. So, I humbly ask that you will approve. Thank you. Thank you, Lisha Brown. you had to fill out a card, but you can
talk. You don't have to talk. I mean, because I know you didn't want to talk earlier, so I just, you know, let you know, you didn't have to just because she called your name. Thank you. Um, the only thing that I thank everyone who spoke highly of me. First
off, I'm very humbled, very, and I'm going to keep moving because I don't want to get emotional, but um, it's been a long journey. It's been a very long journey for me. Um, and like they said, I'm here for the
community. All I want to do is help these children. And the only thing that I see that was an issue was the lighting. Correct. And I really don't know what a photometric how to get that, how to obtain that, what I'm supposed to do.
All I do know is because it's going to be 24 hours. in the way that the building is um set up. The parents are going to be going in the front of the building. There's light all the way around that facility. So,
and the neighborhood is in the back. So, there would not be any use of the light in the back. We need it all in the front. So, if we can get past that biometric or somebody can direct me on how to get that, obtain that, I have no problem doing it. But again, I just
didn't see a use for it if we're not going to use that the light in the back because at night, children will be inside the building 600 7 o'clock at in the evening. There will be no reason for the light. So, I don't I don't know how to
go around it or what to do, but if I can get some guidance in that, I would I would definitely oblige if I had to turn the lights on in the back. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you.
Is there any any other cards? The last card is Stan Johnston. Do we want to let Brad answer? Well, well, let's just get through the public comment and then we'll go into the discussion. Mr. Johnson. Okay. Uh they
say uh uh what you what you say in Los and Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas and that's what I want to happen here. Um I uh uh I'm the grandparent of of some grandchildren and their parents, one of
which is my our sibling. Uh it both of the parents are working and um uh so don't tell them this, but I get in big trouble when I say some things. And what I say is that u what's going to
happen if Gigi can't take care of the kids? GG is my wife. And that starts a huge discussion. Well, it's not a discussion. They want to kill me. Uh so, so I'm looking forward to
24hour because there's other people that, you know, they have the both parents working and if you don't have somebody to take care of the kids, what the heck do you do? So, uh we have that problem. And um uh uh thank you, Mrs.
Brown for offering a solution. Um uh because uh I want to live longer and um in order to do that u I'd like to get along with some of my family members. So uh so I'm also going to get read to you
what I wrote here on uh my credentials which you don't want to hear but I wrote this out and I sent it to you May the 21st. It says me 79 years old veteran and family of more than a dozen veterans. Talbet pi engineering honorary society tested approved by state in both
civil and mechanical engineering former president ASC KP branch resident of city for over 53 years engineer of record more than dozen sub subdivisions in city area. Former PE and pls lance rank employee retired with the pension retired by the city with the pension in
2008. discovered cities more serious misconduct and corruption beginning in 2012 violated in 2019 by cities $70,000 fraud that continues to discredit and to um I can't even read it. Discredit.
Okay. T and Tyville Police Department have harassed me at work, at public meetings, at my home and at my church. Two shaking surprise assaults from behind without warning by armed TPD then screamed my face. No reason given except shut your pole and don't res and don't
disrespect our city manager armed tpd have have also harassed stall Bailey CEO fight for zero at her home outside of city limits she now receives death threats in October 2023 falsely arrested jail by TPD in violation of my rights as
per FS471.027 027 while sampling an apparent sewage spill, loss of sleep, and violent nightmares about murder murder by the TPD. And I'm the only one of more than 40,000 professional engineers licensed by the state. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. May I have extra time? I don't see how your credentials were
part of the CUP, but I appreciate you trying. It's cross judicial. It's quite judicial. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. All right. So, don't cards correct. All right. Now we'll get into the discussion portion of
our thing. Mr. Brad, Miss Stokel, you have the floor. Yes. And this might be for Brad. My uh two things were I want it's it sounds like reading the emails and then listening to everyone that spoke. We want to make this happen. I want to just clarify. It sounds like
everyone's in agreement with the 10-ft landscape buffer. That was an issue I saw got brought up. And then the second main issue is the lighting. And so I do want to make sure with the applicant that it's clear on what are we doing to make sure that we're protecting the surrounding areas from potential lighting that could be happening at
night time and then also making sure that we're not putting too much burden on the applicant to do something that's not necessary. If you take a look at page 434 of your packet, you'll see the concept plan that if this is approved that this will be what would be governing on this
property. So you can see it's already developed. Uh this is not new site construction. So the issue is how can they utilize this property and what processes will they have to go through in order to get it approved. This permit is approved. The next step in order to hear and implement what's required on
this concept plan is the landscaping. There's a 10-ft landscape buffet requirement. uh they'll have to provide to us at the very minimum a class one site development permit that shows the landscaping as proposed how it could be irrigated and planted. Uh that same class one permit
can be utilized or a separate one utilized in order to submit the phototric plan. Now if they don't want to use or propose um lighting for the entire site, they can propose something for a portion of the site. The purpose
of the lighting condition is that when we look at um the code, it says uh basically that the purpose of the article lighting is to provide minimum standards for sight lighting improvements. The intent is to allow lighting within parking lots, secured
areas, walkways, and site features while protecting neighboring properties from intrusive lighting projections. So those are since this is going to be 24 hours, there's portions of the property outside that going to be utilized for parking and for other activities potentially like any other commercial property
that's going to have uses beyond 6:00 p.m. or beyond the the evening hours. So there be some kind of lighting requirement. We were concerned that because it's going to be 24 hours that we wanted to introduce a condition to address that specifically that this would be something that would be
required since again this is not a new site construction. They're just utilizing existing property. So they will have to provide to us at the very minimum a class one permit that shows a phototric plan and typically that's an engineer that provides that. Um, if they want to propose something that's just a
portion of the property, uh, you know, we can I believe the council can can limit the condition or not approve the condition. Can you clarify what this photometric lighting plan means exactly for the applicant just so and that we're clear on what we would be potentially be
approving? So, all the lighting you see in a parking lot, uh, those poles, lighting around the building, all of that is identified on a phototric plan and there's foot candles that are identified. So, it tells us how much light uh radiates from those light fixtures throughout the property. And
then it it shows us how much bleed there might be of lighting onto adjacent properties. So, one thing we were concerned about was that they were going to have 24-hour activity lighting on this property that could bleed onto the adjacent properties that are single
family. So, that can be mitigated with the landscape buffer. It could also be mitigated with a phototric plane that shows us where that bleeding is happening or not bleeding. And so an engineer would be able to determine that for us. So if we were to approve this, it says plan. So you would work with the
applicant to make sure that there's enough lighting for safety and security reasons, but also making sure we're not being intrusive on the surrounding area. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Thank you, Member Stokl. And Brad, if I heard you correctly, that means the applicant would have to hire an engineer and go
through this process. Correct. typically a specialist. Uh we see that sign signed by um engineers. We see other lighting specialists, but that is something we typically receive as part of any site development permit. In this case, we're only asking for that particular item and
then a landscape plan. Yeah. And I don't know how the rest of council feels, but I personally believe that we shouldn't oppose any more requirements on this person who's trying to just open up for business. It's own commercial. It's
right on US1. You know, I think we we need to get them open for business. I was actually asked today if this is the first one in like the state, and I I couldn't answer that. Um maybe the county, but I don't think the state. There's probably other more dense areas that have something like this, but um a
much needed service and I appreciate what you're doing and trying to open up a business here in Titusville. I know it's a tough process, but we're working on the process. So, uh with that being said, I just want to let you all know how how I felt about it. But, um member Nelson, well, I sort of feel like we
also have to protect the neighbors. So, question Brett, you said we could limit the lighting condition. What would you suggest? So the applicant has has already testified that they are not going to utilize the areas behind the building. So if they
are still going to be required to provide to us a phototric plan, then maybe it could be limited to what they're proposing and that is in front of the building. And if that is not necessary to you, then uh because the purpose of our recommendation is to make sure there's not bleed going on to the
adjacent property. Okay, that sounds much easier to do. Vice Mayor Cole. Well, I I definitely agree with what the mayor has said and the building already has existing lights around it, doesn't it? Yes, it does. So,
they're they're not adding lights, are they? We don't have our information to show because sometimes sites are go are constructed and the operation is not going to be after hours. They're not required to provide to us a lighting plan. So this particular property after
hours, but they won't be using the lights in the back anyway after the hours, right? Okay. That's what the applicant stated. Yeah. Okay. All right. Seeing no further discussion, I'll entertain a motion. Um I'd be happy to do this. Move to approve conditional
use permit 1-2025 for 51. Hope that's 95 South Washington Avenue with the limited condition of the lighting plan for the front of the
building with the understanding condition that the back um would not be using lights overnight. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Might need to clarify. I just need to get clarification. So your
motion is that they're not going to be utilizing the areas that are back. That's why there's not a requirement at night. At night. At night. Okay. Right. All right. Okay. So, I have a motion and I have a second. We're all on the same page, I believe. Um, any further discussion? City clerk, call the RO.
Member Nelson, yes. Mayor Connors, yes. Vice Mayor Cole, yes. Member Stokl, yes. Member Moscoso, yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much. I I think the round of applause goes to the applicant there. I think she deserves it. So,
after all the after all the members came up and spoke, I would look for a halo when you walked up. I I get it. I was I was in my house all weekend with just my 2-year-old and that was just anarchy. So, mom was out of town. All right, let's move on to old
business. Uh, Mr. City Manager. Yes, sir. Um, so we have no ordinance of first reading. Uh, 11A is native plantings, canopy, and CRZ. And the recommended action is to provide direction to community development on whether to advertise the ordinances and
schedule public hearings. And Brad Parish can answer any questions. All right. And he has a short presentation. I was going to defer this. I was going to ask Brad, can you hold on a second? Vice Mayor Cole. Yes. I I noticed in the
write up that the T tec has asked for a special workshop between the commission and the staff. And I would move that we let that happen and we defer this item until after they have met. That would be a motion that I motion to table.
motion to table this item to give the TEC an opportunity to have a special workshop with commission. So the TC was specifically asking about one particular ordinance, not all three. Okay. So is that Yes. just just the one ordinance? Yes. Okay. Um
I will explain a little bit about that in this because it is tied to the other to another ordinance. One second. Let me There is a motion on the table. Um is there a second? A second with discussion. Yeah, that's fine. You second for discussion. Okay. I I agree
with Brad. They seem to be all interrelated. So, I would like to have a workshop covering all three. Yes. I agree. The council have a workshop or the TEC. All right. So, I have a motion and I have a second. Is there any further
discussion on the matter? Member Nelson. Uh did you have a question? Yeah, the part of the reason why we're bringing this to you is because I we have brought this to TC at various times. What I was envisioning and as member calls motion
but what I was envisioning is that we have a workshop. I don't know, maybe TEC members, uh, people coming in from the outside, sort of like we did with the tree ordinance where people were having
discussions about what needed to go in there, what needed to be changed? I'm a little confused. Are you So, this is strictly with TEC or does this include council with TC? No, just TC. Just TC only. Okay. So, a separate
meeting from their regular meetings? Yes. So again, motion second. Member Nelson. Um, are you done with your Okay. Member Stokel. Yes. Um, to so to clarify, just to make sure I know what I'm voting on. This is on our agenda. I believe TEC had
initially requested ordinances to be drafted. We gave the okay. I know Brad and staff have worked on these ordinances. Um, I would venture to say staff probably doesn't feel comfortable with the way the ordinances are written right now. There's some issues and I
think that's kind of where I'm coming from and I remember back when we had the tree uh ordinance to me I feel like or the workshop. Um, it would be nice to I think I I don't know what TEC's view is on these ordinances as they're written.
if they are saying yes, these are great and staff is saying no, these aren't. I there's I I think we need to have some workshop to kind of work through some of those things. Uh yeah, so it's I don't feel comfortable advertising these right now. I will tell you that. So I don't know
what that looks like going forward if it's that workshop. Um but I think there's some things that maybe need to be worked out. I appreciated even our presentation earlier when they said tree canopy is the one of the best things you can do. So, I'm like I'm interested in that portion specifically. And
so, I don't I don't know if you feel want to share what you've already done with staff. I know you guys have put a lot of time into this already. The only thing I was going to present to you was really just um that staff is has no direction either way. What we needed to
do was present to you what was directed by by you, what TC requested, what we came up with based on the actions that you've and other directions you've made and other policies. And then we also wanted to just show you like the pros
and cons of each of these actions and get further direction from you as to whether these should be combined together or separate items advertised at some point or sent back to TC, which I believe is what we're going to be doing. So, uh, my recommendation, I'm sorry to inter interject here, would be maybe we
schedule that for one of our presentation meetings. Yes. And then because then we have like, you know, a full hour to kind of go through it and then we can later at that council meeting, uh, figure out which way we want to go with it because like like many have said, a lot of these ordinance
are interconnected and you might be trying to just do one big bill all at once and maybe we should break these up, but again, we want to hear what you have to say as well. So, member Nelson, and I'm not sure if I said it right that it should be TEC that
does workshop or staff doing a workshop. I just know you were talking. There were some emails from a landscape architect and she had questions about it. As I was reading through it, I had questions about it and I thought, you
know, we really don't have a meeting of the mind yet. Yeah, I feel like I like the idea of the presentation because I I don't feel comfortable doing the workshop yet because I don't think that's fair to do to the TEC members without giving them better direction. So, I think once we
have a presentation of the pros and cons, and I even was going to bring that up potentially with item B, is are there some cons? are we getting people trying to develop here and because of our landscaping requirements you're consistently seeing issues. So I think that information would be helpful with
this discussion when we're looking at the pros and cons of these um if staff is seeing any issues consistently that we don't see as council members. So what I'm hearing is instead of a workshop with TC bring this back to you during your 5:30 meeting your Well, I'm going
to entertain a motion one way or another. There's a motion that needs to be modified. So, friendly amendment, would you um amend your motion to uh instead of doing a tableabling doing a presentation with this? I accept the friendly amendment to have it at the
pres presentation meeting at 5:30. Member Nelson and I second would hold. All right. Well, I have a motion to second. Any further discussion? All I think this is procedural. We don't get to make any I
don't think it's procedural. Well, we're we're h we're basically tableabling this and having the presentation done at a presentation meeting. We're not addressing it at all tonight. So, all those in favor say I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously.
We have people come from far and wide to speak to you. Uh yes, it's going to be done in a presentation meeting. time circle. We didn't have that. That unless you give it a time circle. Thank you. I appreciate that.
So, the motion was made to have it at a presentation meeting. So, I don't have that information. Then you can't table it if you don't give it a time. We could give it our July presentation meeting since we are recessing in June. Is that good with you, city manager?
Yes, sir. We don't have a presentation meeting in June. Sounds good. It's in July. Which one? It be the fourth. Fourth Tuesday in July. Yeah. Fourth. Fourth. Fourth.
City manager. Item B. Yes sir. Moving on to 11B development review process and staff will recommend will provide an update on efforts to improve the development review process. This is very brief. Um the last I
brought this up a couple times to you. If you remember, our time frames for site development reviews were going exceeding 50 days. Um they have gone down to 42 days average and the most recent count has gone down to 35 days. and that's partly because of the
assistance we received by filling in a new position that you helped create for us and um some of the other changes we've been making internally as far as our process. Uh again, we do have a couple of items or softwares that are coming up that will continue to help
reduce that time frame. An AI tool, a new um site permit intake tool as well, which will be an online only tool. And then also we will come back to you with changes to the low impact development ordinance and to our parking regulations
with a draft ordinance for you to consider with that. That's all I have. I just want to give you that update. City council. Member Stol. Yes. And again, I don't know, it might not be at this meeting, but if staff could provide um any
consistent themes or issues that you guys may encounter from premeings that you have with potential uh specifically commercial property, I'm interested and I don't know if council's interested in any other, but as you guys have premeings with them and then they end up
not submitting a site plan, if there's anything that you guys see from those premeings where they're saying, "Oh, thank you for your time, but this is too much of a barrier for us. Those things I think that we don't see as council members because they don't come before us. So, that would be helpful when it comes to the development review process
and the item that we just tabled um when we're talking about uh things that we might be changing to our landscaping. That will just help me make a better informed decision. Thank you. Thank you, members. So, city clerk, one card is Dan Johnston.
This is on development review process. Oh, god. Uh Stan Johnson. I'm a professional engineer. I've develop I've I've worked with the de development review committee. I believe this has to do with the
development review process and it was horrible. It was horrible. What came out of that particular those particular meetings were numerous violations by the city of Titusville. Numerous. and I sent an
email about it. Oh my god, I can't believe it. Plus, big just just uh uh it it's just not working. I mean, right now I've sent to everybody here and over here city, you two guys,
and uh it's about a uh mockingb bird lane in a new development called Celsa and J Oak Oaks. Are you listening, Miss Sarah? Dr. ST. No, Dr. Stokle's not listening. You see that? She should be listening. Dr. Stokel, hey, wake up.
She's not. She's got something in her ears. I can't believe that. So, she's doing her homework right now while I'm talking about an important issue of an 8 foot wide. Uh, so this is what we have. Mr. Johnson, please stay away from the personal tax and just say, okay, so I
didn't want to I'm sorry for disturbing somebody's homework. Um so anyhow uh this is a serious matter which right now is that you have a design that prohibits people from going to their
house. You have a design that of of what was a two two-way Mockingbird Lane and the uh uh engineer of record in the city proclaimed in 2021 that Mockingbird Lane is not going to be on the survey. is not
going to be on the site plan and it's not going to be on the preliminary plan. That's highly illegal. It's a postal address. 1155 Mockingbird Lane now has no legal access as per the city of Titusville. And you should be checking
on it. So should Sarah Stole instead doing her homework. But she's very busy. She's Mr. Johnson. Sorry. I'm sorry. I apologize. So anyhow, the de development review committee uh would not respond to my questions and saying is that this is
all illegal. What what they've done and what they're doing and what they have on the plans and you don't you guys neither the city manager, city attorneys office, they don't not respond. It's highly illegal what's going on. A one-way a
two-way access turn into a one-way access. No turnaround, which did have used to have a turnaround. I can't believe it. So, anyhow, uh I've listed to you about 45 redlinined areas on sheet number four that are illegal and
that you've guys approved and do nothing about it for over three years. No, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City clerk. No more. Uh Brad, I would just like to say I appreciate your your work and
getting those site plan review times down. It is very very important that we get you know businesses up and running and I I know it's a tough task when you look at all the ordinances you have to deal with right um it's it's pretty
impressive so thank you very much uh any other comments from council seeing none city manager yes sir moving on to 11C as recall in the earlier meeting um we had a presentation by the flash vote uh staff
and uh The staff has prepared a first sample or first survey instrument that we would like to get your approval to send out. The contract calls for a total of six over a one-year period and we can space them out however you want. We would be looking for additional uh
topics that staff would or that council would like us to address, but we just wanted to get now that we have sufficient uh people signed up for it. We like to get that first uh survey out and we thought it'd be appropriate to um use that Harrison Street parcel that we bought as part of the riverfront
acquisition as a first survey instrument to see what the uh you know citizens of Titus would like to see done with that parcel. So we're looking for your approval to use a survey instrument. Thank you city manager. City clerk
Casey Nge case city clerk Kathleen Oor okay as you know I am a professor of epidemiology and bioatistics I might have a little training in this area and this survey is a total waste of your
time and the reason why it is and I spoke specifically to the individuals doing it People are being invited in a general email, but it is their own choice to decide whether or not they will participate in the study. That is
known as volunteer bias or self- selection bias because the people are making the decision and it is not based on being a random sample of any population. And it doesn't matter that they look at how they look at. There's a real difference between people who
volunteer to be in a survey and those who don't. Some of the differences, I put them out here for you, is volunteers could have some agenda on their own. So, they're coming in and they're not representing their neighbors. The results are not generalizable. That is
one of the most important things when you do a survey. Doesn't mean anything for future research. you've got such a bad sample here that doing this is a total waste of time and resources. And I had talked to um Herman Cole about it
and said if you really want it if you really want a decent survey and you wanted to be a representative the really way that one would do that is to identify the list of all the voters pick people from that list individually ask
them to participate and give them some type of incentive money usually to do so. You're probably paying a fair amount of money for this useless survey. And I just think it's doing no good for anybody any time. Can make you sound good. Um but you're going to have
results that are totally meaningless. And if I had a student who proposed this, I would say no way. Find another alternative. Thank you. City clerk Tony Schiff. Despite the flawed
methodology, the actual survey itself is bad. Laura Ward was here earlier, but she couldn't outweight all of this other stuff, and she left me her notes. Question one does not include Riverfront Park, which 20 years ago, the Riverfront
referendum people struggled long and hard to um to get. And so, it's not even on your list up here. Question number one. And question number three, all the things that you're listing the amenities at the
new park. You know, when you ask a survey question, you can really guide and manipulate the results by the way you ask the question and putting these things here for this beautiful piece of
property. There's nothing on here that the riverfront referendum people 20 years ago proposed for this piece of property, this particular piece of property. Miss Stokel, I wish you would pay attention to the people that are speaking out
here, but 20 years ago, they wanted it to be covered with trees. Imagine that. So, Miss Ward says, um, question number three should have as one of the, um, things it does say, leave us in an
ententralental state with additional trees and a restored natural living shoreline. Those are her hopes. The the Kimley Horn thing that was presented to y'all, first of all, was just really disgusting. Um, pave paved. Most of it's
paved. An a dock out there. Have you gone and seen this property? It's nestled in between seaw walls. So actually what I suggest is um beyond fixing the survey and getting real real items in question
number three for people to ch to choose from. Pick up to three. I suggest we do nothing with this beautiful piece of undeveloped property with a natural shoreline and a tremendous view across the Indian River Lagoon to um the space center. Mr.
Objective. The city's comprehensive plan has a section on shoreline mixeduse goals and objectives in the future land use element. Objective 1.12 shoreline mixed use lays out two main goals. To preserve and enhance the visual and functional use of land along the Indian
River Lagoon east of Highway 1 while providing public access. This lot left as just as it is right now does that. It provides public access and it's preserved and enhanced. It has a natural shoreline. I request that the shoreline
be protected, not hardened and be maintained in a natural state. And and if you've got to do something in this park, perhaps install some educational projects such as some mangrove plantings or seaggrass. My suggestion is to Oh,
let me let me just do this one thing for for Vice Mayor Cole. Let's make a gateway to the stars. Build a wall to the moon. City clerk.
The last card is Stan Johnston. Stan. Okay. I can't follow it up. I don't think y'all y'all want to hear Kumbaya. Probably not. Okay. uh this this uh Kathleen Oor I think something like that her name she that's right yeah
well something like that and she brings the truth to us and so forth like that and she questions the city uh I think she's a troublemaker and uh really no really I think and deal like what like you dealt with me I think you should arrest her and when no really really you
should should arrest her and take her and put her for questioning and just like me questioning another signed papers and so forth like that, interrogate and so forth like that. All that information disappeared. Of course, they didn't like because they didn't like what happened anyhow. So then they put me in jail and they didn't tell me what they they don't have to you don't
have to tell her what she's arrested for. Just do her like me. Put her in jail so forth and don't give her any medications if she has life sustaining medic. That's what they did to me. That's what the city of Titusville did to me. Don't give her the medication she needs to survive. Don't do that. We're
talking about the survey. Well, I'm talking about her. What do you think she did? Did you hear what she said? I did. She defied. My golly. She said the truth is that she said it's it's nonsense. How can you allow her to do that? That's what the the thing is.
That's what you've done to me. I mean, you don't answer my questions, closed doors and so forth. Anyhow, so she's a troublemaker. You know what to do with her. Okay? Don't do it to her right now. Do it when she's not looking. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City clerk.
All right. All right. Member Nelson. What? Order, please. Dr. Or may be a troublemaker, but she's also bright. Um, and no, you're not
going to jail. But, um, there there are problems with this survey. And if we do it, we need to recognize that there are problems with it. So I
agree with Tony, we need to put Riverfront Park in here. And I would say question two or question three, leave it in a natural state. It does does need some
work. There are some invasives in there that need to come out. Um maybe add plant trees, plant additional trees, um manage park, get rid of the
invasives. So it does need some work but we have to realize that it's the whole idea was we were doing a meeting on Saturday morning and we were getting the same 20 30
people. So we have to realize that this is not going to be perfect and we can do it but it's not going to be perfect. Thank you member Nelson. I remember from the early part of the presentation, while they do have a bunch of people
register, they do randomly sample that panel and then they also do invite people off the voter roles. So, you know, hopefully that'll alleviate some of that. But, you know, again, no survey is perfect because the first rule of survey is everybody has to volunteer for everybody has to consent. Can't mandate
surveys unfortunately. Member Muscoso. Sure. I would just say on question number two for the top reasons you and your family visit parks one that is um left off is exercise walking or jogging which surprised me because that's a
quite common one. So I would ask if we could at least add that one to the list. Can I get a universal yes from everybody on that? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's common sense. Thank you. Member Mscoso. Any other comments from
councel? Seeing none, I'll entertain a motion. Member Nelson. So, I'd move to approve the flash vote public input survey with the corrections additions, I guess I would say, that we've added.
Second. All right. So, I have a motion and I have a second. And and just recclarifying the motion. The corrections that were added were listing the parks that were omitted and exercised to the reasons why. Correct. Correct. And adding under
Q3 something to the effect of um adding trees, additional trees and getting rid of the invasives. Okay. So you would you agree to amend the first point to leave a natural state
and add additional trees with removing invasive plants? I would do it as another bullet point. Okay. All right. [Music] Is it just me?
Oh, really? Thank you. Thank you. We We got the point. Thank you. Thank you, Miss K. So the motion or the addition was to add another bullet point, add another bullet point under
Q3 asking for additional trees and that would get rid of the invasives that are there. All right. So I have a motion for member Nelson. I believe I second and I accept the Okay. Amendment. Any further
discussion from council? Sarah, did you have something? Yes. So, I just want to further clarify. Q1 add Riverfront Park to Q2 add exercise walking jogging. Q3 add a
bullet that says add the trees. I almost feel like if we're going to do that, you might need to say add trees with no additional amenities so it's clear that it will stay in a natural state. it's not adding trees and then having a path and all that stuff because I feel
like that is a little misleading and we won't know. I won't know when people are voting for that if that's truly voting for leaving it there for nobody to go to and it's stays in a natural state with improvements or they want trees but they also want to come and park and walk it. I was just looking it said we can choose
up to three. Mhm. So, leaving a Nashville state, you could add you could say playground, add trees, get rid of the invasives. Um, okay. No, that's that's a fair that's a fair point. Okay, then I'm fine
with that one. Okay. So, I have a friendly motion amendment that's been accepted by both parties. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor signify by saying I. I. All those opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much, city manager. Yes,
sir. Moving on to new business, we have uh one item and that is uh Odyssey Ridge final plat. And the recommended action is to approve the final plat covenants and bonds for Odyssey Ridge subdivision located north of Timber t Timber Trace
Apartments on Cison Road and this is a quasi judicial item. Mr. The staff reviewed the final plan for consistency with the comprehensive plan, land development regulations and recommends approval. The staff also reviewed the covenants and performance
bonds and recommends acceptance. And the myar for the final ply is here. Thank you, Miss Parish. City clerk, any cards? Miss Laboda, I believe is her name. Um, good evening. My name is Genevie
Luda. I'm actually the applicant for the final PLA application. So, I was just here in case you do have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Any last card is Stan Johnston. My name is Stan Johnston and you're not
going to like to to hear what I have to say. You're not going to like it at all. And although I'm I'm not going to disturb her because she's doing her homework right now. Okay. So, um I sent you an an email. Jim, you want
to listen to this? It says it's titled Mayday. Mayday SOS. You know that means something. That's pretty serious. That's coming from a veteran, Navy veteran. City obliterates Mockingbird Lane. Approves a new traffic path into a fence post and oak tree. Now establishes
no leg legal access to 1155 Mockingbird Lane house. M Mr. uh Johnson, I don't think that has anything that has that is a preliminary plat. We're talking about Odyssey Ridge. I know. So I'm giving you Look, look what I'm going to say. I'm going to tell you something you don't want to hear. They don't know what
they're doing. I'm looking at a preliminary plat. It's got all kinds of errors on it. Approved by the city of Titusville. The survey is wrong. Can't believe they do it. That there's no name for Mockingbird Lane. You should listen to this. I sent you an
email on this. It says the preliminary plat, the plans, and the survey was approved, and yet the survey was disapproved by the state board. The survey is known to be incorrect by three foot width error in the rightway. And
yet the city of Tyville approves it. How can we trust our staff to approve Odyssey Ridge with this kind of errors emissions you guys don't know what
you're doing? I'm a registered. Okay, this is a quasi judicial. Understand? He said that course is quasi judicial. Understand is that how many subdivisions have I done in the city of Titusville? This is a subdivision. You're going to apply. How many have I done? Over a
dozen. I can't believe what you're doing now. It's like the staff here has disappeared. It's not like the staff it was before. I cannot believe this has happened. You cannot accept legally accept a ser a a site plan with a a
survey that's illegal. But the city of Titusville does the only the only city in the world that sprays women, children, you know that that stuff. You don't want to hear that. What is your assessment on Odyssey Ridge? I'm going to say is that you need to have staff
that knows what they're doing to review the plat. You cannot How can you possibly get anything truthful and valid when with this kind of nonsense going on with this other plat? You're not listening. I'm sorry, but you you guys
are doing wrong things. No breaking. And I'm I'm not interrupting her work. She's she's doing very good work now. She'll get an A in class. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City clerk, any other cards?
All right. All right. Quasa judicial public hearing closed. Member Nelson move to approve the final plants and bond for Odyssey Ridge subdivision. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further council discussion? Seeing none,
city clerk. Mayor, sorry. Mayor Connor, yes. Vice Mayor Cole, yes. Member Stokel, yes. Member Muscoso, yes. Member Nelson, yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much. And we're going to take a 10-minute recess. Thank you.
All right, we're going to get up and running again. Appreciate your patience. City manager, I believe we have petitions and requests from the public, non-aggenda items. Looks like we have our first uh speaker. We do indeed.
All right. Um, I actually came here with two important procedural issues to bring up, but I think we now have three because before I discuss those, I want to say that moving petitions and requests to the end of the agenda agenda is incredibly disrespectful of the
citizens. People make an effort to come here and those who voted for you need to know the people who made this decision because it was inexcusable. But moving on, the first thing I had wanted to talk to about was Herman Cole's request to
pause the search for a city manager and after completing a few token steps, appoint Mr. Body to the position. Nothing personal to Mr. Actually, he's much better than his predeessor, but that was kind of a low bar. Um, but this
proposal is incredibly inappropriate and quite honestly, if you don't want to risk an additional lawsuit, it needs to be dropped immediately. Individuals applied for this position under the search criteria could be greatly harmed by this move. Now, it might have been a
few years since you've applied for positions, but you could easily have an applicant who knew that while applying might be seen unfavorably about his boss or current employer, he made the decision or she to apply knowing that no
one agreed to apply only to be pushed aside by a backdoor agreement to hire an individual who never even applied for the job. And at this point, you have essentially contaminated the entire search process. You've shown favoritism
to one individual, ironically a non-applicant, over the others who applied in good faith. What on earth were you thinking? If I had applied for this position, I would at this point be consulting my attorney as to what
recourse I have. This is a serious error in judgment. At a minimum, if Mr. body wants the position, he should at least apply. But you put him in a really difficult situation as well. And if you hire him at this point, I think you're going to be liable for acting in poor
face. So, I'll leave it to you to think about that. Going on to now, my third thing, I wanted to know what the follow-up motion was when you told Mr. body to inform Chief Laauo that unless this is illegal, he needs to show the
police shooting video to Chimera Charles's mother. Did Mr. Abati make that request? One of you have to ask him. Did Chief Laauo follow up? I don't care if Chief Lau finds sharing this video makes him uncomfortable. We all
know he doesn't want to show it to the mother. That's no surprise. But if he refuses, he needs to provide the city manager and the city council with concrete evidence showing to do so is illegal. Did this happen? And if so,
when are we going to see the video? Thank you. [Applause] Tonight, I'm adding another misconduct case to this council's growing record. On February 14th, just a week after
police shot Tri Maria Charles and only hours after an NAACP press conference, Major Tyler Wright from the Titusville Police Department made a threatening call to private citizens. Why? Because they shared a public news article on
social media about an officer's past misconduct in Coco. The same officer believed to be involved in the recent Titusville shooting. Major Wright used his badge that night to intimidate citizens. Within minutes, he began
counting down the clock, growing more aggressive with each demand. The following are his exact words. Quote, "It's 12:30 at night. I don't normally work this late. I know exactly what's on social media. There's a 30 minute window
to have it all taken down. You've got 20 minutes now. You've got 15 minutes now. The hornets's nest has been woken up. I promise you that right now. What were you planning to do in 15 minutes, Major?
Right. And what did you mean by the hornet's nest is woken up? Let's be clear about how you violated your oath. You're sitting in here in this room right now. He retaliated against protected speech. He tried to silence lawful public
discussion. He used his position to threaten citizens under the color of law. He violated both state law and constitution. He broke his oath to serve without bias and to respect individual rights. This wasn't just
misconduct. It was a calculated abuse of power. And that same night, just 2 hours later, David Riley Jr. died in a crash after the Titusville police chase. someone who happened to be a part of the rallies for Trimeia Charles. I'm not
claiming causation, but I'm pointing out a pattern. Fear and tragedy defined that night. These demands are directed at the acting city manager, Tom Abate, who oversees the chief of police. Add this
complaint to the official record. Launch an independent investigation. Major Wright, you said you've got 15 minutes now. I say this, your clock has run out. Thank you. [Applause]
Order. Order. Ma'am, please. Please. [Applause] You are interrupting this woman's free speech to give her three minutes as well, but I know I guess that doesn't matter to you. Hi, ma'am.
My name is Kim Gibbs. I'm your neighbor from Merit Island and I would like to talk about butterflies and birds. I um I came here to speak about the landscape ordinance and um that was tabled. So I'm going to put
it in the context of a of a request and ask you to consider reimagining redefining what the city's role is with the landscape development plan. um is it just to create a certain aesthetic or is
it something broader and bigger that might include creating um promoting authentic Florida native landscapes that support our pollinators, our birds, and wildlife. So, I'd like to quickly recap my own experience
um leading a transition plan for about a 20 acre um uh condominium project over in Pasco County. so nearby and I'll just talk about it in the three main layers, the lawn, the shrub layer, and then the tree canopy. Um, and I served as as an
advocate and like the horse whipper. Um, so anyway, just imagine that conventional landscape covering about 20 acres with about 25 buildings and what that might look like with a lot of lawn, big areas of lawn, small areas of lawn,
little strips of lawn, lawn everywhere. um that the developer had installed along with other things. So, as you may know, a lawn is sterile. It's not really supporting any life, any pollinators. The only thing that it's better than is
astroturf. Um it's as a land care company will explain, lawn is very um cheap to mow, cheap to maintain, but that's not really true. Um, these big lawn areas require extensive irrigation as you well know. Um, systems that can
cost up to up to $100,000 or more. Um, frequent maintenance of these irrigation systems, harmful fertilizers, and a lot of chemicals, zero value to wildlife. So, our transition plan um involved reducing the lawn to cover only the
practical turf areas. We increased uh in its place. we we planted shrubs and trees and we removed or disabled large areas of irrigation. Um so we're now 20 years later than the original install of this of this property. Um so my
recommendation is in your landscape plan to limit limit turf areas to those practical turf areas and a goal of being about 25% of the land. I think I'm going to run out of time, but I'll just go for a couple more seconds. the shrub layer
is really the workhorse of your landscape. There's so much potential there to support um our native wildlife and birds and everything. So, when I come back next time, I will talk more about that. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, council, for allowing me to
speak. My name is David Turkot. I live on Merit Island. Uh but last fall I joined the Sea Rocket chapter of the Native Plant Society here in Piratesville and uh I have a graduate degree master of science and soil science and um very I worked for the
natural resources conservation service. So very much in tune with um native habitats and uh native plants um these are plants that were here before we came along Europeans came along and colonized conquered the country and uh they they
were here they're here naturally they complement the fauna a lot of native animals depend on native plants and uh you're working with nature by planting and and I'm vehemently opposed to the artificial turf. It's very shortsighted.
There's no biological benefits to it. Uh so I'm and I wasn't even aware that was on the agenda tonight because I would have signed up to speak on that had I known. Uh but uh the and there's economic advantages and native plants. You're working with nature. I volunteer
at Sam's house and I'm working on a plant inventory there of there's been some plant inventories and there's 201 native plants that have been observed on the Pine Island Conservation Area, 880 acres. That's pretty impressive. This area has a tremendous array of native
plants. Why put something in that's alien that could become invasive? When you think when they brought Brazilian pepper over or meluca or Australian pine, they thought at the time that they they were fine. You know the there were reasons they and sometimes they came
over by accident. Invasive plants are alien plants. All native plants are supposed to be here for a reason. And if it was up to me, I would add, you know, if you could, since you have not voting on that, I would go totally natives and
and disallow the artificial turf. Absolutely. And in the long term, you know, the the, you know, this region and the lagoon and the and the St. John River Valley are going to benefit from it. Thank you for your time. Thank you, sir. K St. Anil Avenue Titusville Tree Team.
Mark your calendars. June 18th at 10 o'clock, the Tyusville Tree Team at the request of Bvard Parks and Recreation is having a tree planting event at the Isaac Campbell Community Center and Park, 701 South Street. And you are all
invited as well as you folks here. Come and plant a tree with the children of the Bvard of the Isaac Campbell Community Center and Park. The 60 children of the center summer program will be planting 30 native trees in the
park. Live oaks and wax myrtles, not crepe myrtles, wax myrtles, which are a native tree right here. With the help of their parents, members of the community and the Titusville tree team volunteers. In this way, the children will learn
teamwork, persistence, and the value of trees in our community. The week before the tree planting on June the 12th at 1:30, naturalist Teresa Nick of the county's environmentally endangered land program and I will provide the children
a short interactive lesson on the life cycle of oak trees and how trees improve our lives. So they will know why we are planting trees and asking them to plant trees in their park. Each year as the children attend this summer program,
they will watch these trees grow and provide more shade and beauty to their park. So come to the Isaac Campbell Park Wednesday, June the 18th, and bring your shovel. Now, because my time is not over, I'm going to tell you some short
statements about native plants and trees. Native trees and plants require no fertilizer which would otherwise pollute the lagoon. Native trees and plants require no irrigation which would otherwise deplete the aquafers. Native
trees and plants are adapted to local climate and soils and thus will thrive with low maintenance. Native trees and plants provide habitat for native birds which support tourism. Native trees and plants provide native bugs and
caterpillars required by native baby birds. Native plants promote native pollinators necessary for vegetable and fruit production. Native trees and plants promote native landscape nurseries. Native trees and plants are beautiful.
Native trees and plants preserve and celebrate the unique natural heritage of our region. So go native. adopt the native plant ordinate ordinance requiring 50% bvard native plants in the landscaping of all new developments. And
I look forward to the fourth week of July, Tuesday, where you going to spend the whole hour with those three ordinances recommended by TEC. Thank you very much. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Lance Fisher. from the former
deputy chief of the Palm Bay Police Department. So last week I had an opportunity to speak with Miss Samantha Charles. We talked about the hurdles that she's going to have to overcome to try to find the truth about her son. We talked about as a deputy chief the meetings that I sat into when we had officer involved shootings in Palm Bay
and the participations and the discussions that were involved with the state attorney's office, FDLE, police administration, and even the attorneys for the involved officers. These meetings were more about protecting the officers, the agency, and the system, than ever acknowledging the truth. You
have an you have a community that is hurting, a mother that seeks answers, good or bad. You have a police department that needs closure to men the strain that's been caused by this unknown. So, my concerns come from 25 years of law enforcement. I have concerns that the very body cameras that your citizens pay for that are used to
find the truth that they uh the very safeguard that is in place to promote that truth, the integrity and the facts are being being used to promote distrust and and failure to provide that truth. I know from my experience that police chiefs believe that they must protect their officers and the agency above all
else above all cost to include hiding facts, changing narratives, or simply by remaining silent. Police culture can destroy a community. A police chief that has been with an agency for 32 years, a chief that has 12 has been a chief for 12 years has created a culture, whether
good or bad. To build to build a culture takes years to erase it even longer. If you have a chief that no longer serves the community, it's only a matter of time before you have a police department that won't either. [Applause] I've been open about my my concerns with
Palm Bay. I've watched a chief there that has created a culture that has he has disdain for the police or for the citizens. I've seen text messages. I've done presentations where he openly disdains his citizens. I just hope it's not too late
for Titusville. And that's what I had prepared. And so then I walked in here and the first thing that this this council did is you moved your public comments to the end. I saw Pal Bay's already done that. citizens. You guys, you better be worried.
This council, like ours, is protecting one individual over 50,000. Our city council protected one over 150,000. We're trying to silence a population and you can't do that. I saw nobody leave once you guys made that
move. I saw nobody walk out that door and you're still here and I commend you for that. This is going to be a hurdle for this community. I've been fighting the fight since May 6 of last year and I'm a I was a former deputy chief. I was actually the deputy chief of Pal at the time and I fought the
fight. I hope council that you do the right thing. I hope that you give this community closure. Ladies on the left, I commend you too. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Stan
Johnston. Um, and um, I talked about a an an email that I sent out and it had some some illegal activities. Uh, I spoke about it last time um, at the um, uh, 5:30 meeting and it still applies
and that is that uh, I'm looking for explanations from Mr. Connor about uh his illegal activity uh regarding a a stolen sign and u the u illegal activity including uh post hole diggers in the
right away where you need to um notify uh what do you call it um under underground utilities operations. You have to you're supposed to legally do that. I've been in
situations where utilities have been only a few inches below the dirt or even in cased in curb that uh should not be disturbed. Uh instead of being 18 in deep, they're shallow. Uh, I've I've been in
situations where it cost over $100,000 to repair fiber optics that were interrupted by someone who hadn't who illegally dug in a place without uh calling for utility locates. So, what you did was a serious serious violation
of law. And I talked to Mr. Roso about that also. And uh so that was illegal. And also the placement of the uh um your uh size as far as your ownership of your sign. That was illegal. And then I I'll
just read this this paragraph. It says the the sign is what is known by many as dirty rotten politicking as the sign deliberately misleads people to view the sign as owned by Mrs. Compton as it has her photo in a misleading statement that
she is a proud stupid Democratic party member. and she's actually she's not she's neither she's not a Republican she's doesn't have that's an error by myself but this is um um this is disturbing and I think maybe
you Mr. Con Mr. Connors, maybe you can be a a candidate for mayor. Not for mayor, but for city manager. Um, and by the way, I have uh uh I want the police officer to listen to this is that I had to tell somebody the other day, I have
no nothing no information. I I do not know about this uh rumor about Chief Lu uh removing the uh information from what do you call these cameras when uh allegedly our city manager had cocaine.
I know nothing about it. So if there's any questions about it, don't ask me. Okay, that's what I had to tell the other person. Okay, so uh keep that in mind. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Thank you. Hope you all hope you listen to that,
John. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Okay. Hi, my name is Joe Lawson and I live at 805 Hillrest Avenue here in Titusville. And uh my my case seems pretty irrelevant compared to the rest of the stories tonight, but uh I applied for a
building permit here in the city of Titusville over a year and a half ago and I was disapproved because they said, you know, the planning department said I needed to build a road, build sidewalks, donate it back to the city, you know,
yada yada yada. And then tonight I come in here and they've got funding for the sidewalks and I um I'm just trying to get out of Mr. Johnson's neighborhood because he's my neighbor and I'm trying
to move to the south end of town and but they won't let me buddy. Anyways, um in the process of the last year and a half has been real enlightening because I was told that, you know, I had to get
a engineer and all of the stuff and all of the approval and meet state regulations for this 50-foot road. And now the lot is on the corner of uh Worth and Louisiana on the south end of Titusville off of Bara. And
uh literally I'm like what in the world is going on? Because I do live in Mr. Johnson's neighborhood in Forest Hills Estates and we're not gated. No HOA, no sidewalk. Right, Mr. Johnson? Okay. But we've watched, right? We've watched on
Tropic. They just improved and and so they improved this guy's property on the corner. There's a 5 acre track on Hillrest and and Tropic Street. And I watched recently and so did Mr. Johnson. They went along and they built this sidewalk right there. Right. They
approved his property, that guy's property, tremendously. And it stops at the end of his property, right? It's a sidewalk to nowhere, right? But for a year and a half, every time I go to the city, they give me a runaround, a runaround, a runaround. And I'm like, I
want to build a handicap house that I'm capable of living in that has walk-in showers, ADA. I'm a handicapped person. I'm also female. And I don't mean to be ugly and call the, you know, sex thing out, but I'm going to. Is there some
difference between me and me trying to uh improve uh, you know, build a property here in Titusville compared to the man that owns that 5 acre track down the street because he got given a sidewalk. That's what they said. I
needed a sidewalk and a street. You see what I'm saying? They also have asphalted they asphalted uh Evergreen Bailey Street and uh I believe the Holiday Lane over in our neighborhood
Grove. It all got asphalted and it doesn't they they told me I had to have gutters, sidewalks, drainage. Thank you very much. Okay. Could you send me an email with your property that you're looking to do and Can I get your email address? andrew.conitisville.com.
Okay, I got you. Yep. I appreciate it. Be happy to look into Get me out of his neighborhood. Yeah. So, I came in here last time and I talked about how silent y'all were when all sorts of terrible things have happened to your citizens.
And tonight I come in and I have witnessed um the chilling of public comment trying to get people to just kind of wait you out. It was a tactic that Muhammad Ali used to use all the
time. He'd kind of dance around, wear everybody out, get them tired, and then you'd win. Unfortunately, it's not going to work this time because the people are not going away. We do recognize that this is absolutely tyrannical behavior. It's insane what is happening
in this room. I assume that there are several attorneys in this room. Free speech matter to anybody in here. Doing the right thing. Standing up for the citizens. Any of that?
I know they're not going to answer me. They're not going to answer me. So, I watched as one of my council members just laughed while Mr. Johnson talked about being arrested for ridiculous charges which were later dropped where he was unable to get medication while he
was in jail. And that's pretty serious for a senior citizen. It's pretty terrible that anybody would find that funny. It's disgusting. You saw her. Samantha Charles has waited 15 weeks to know what happened to her son. I guess
making her wait a couple more hours didn't really matter to you. We're waiting for answers. We want to know things. We want to know, Mr. Abate, did you tell the chief to let her see the video? But you're not going to answer either. You're going to sit there
and ignore me just like you and you and you and you. There are people in the city that have been coming here for years just trying to do the right thing, asking about public records that went missing, asking about sewage spills,
asking about lawsuits, asking about very important things. And you guys just don't give a You are real clear. You are real clear. You were clear with your science
last time and you are clear with your silence and your silence and your silence and your silence. These are signs that were held many years
ago on these grounds. Tyrants. We watched this behavior in the civil rights movement. Martin Luther King stood up against behavior like this. We have watched this over again in history and you continue to do it. Thank
you. Thank you. Anybody else? Anybody else got something? Sorry. I'd like to just make a comment. Uh and I would like to make a comment. Thank you. No, I'm going to make this comment.
I did talk to Miss No. Um, I would like to make this comment. I did ask Mr. Abate to ask Chief Laauo to come to the meeting. I felt like it would be important for him to share and so I want the the community to know. I did request that he came so that he could share any
updates. I can't speak for the rest of the council. I don't have any updates, but I asked for him to come. Member MSO grand standing aside, we have an order to keep and my job is to run the meeting. order.
All right. I mean, we can you guys want to table the rest of it? Ma'am, ma'am, you're just yelling and we're not getting any business done. I need to know what happened to my son. I didn't know the truth. Okay. What happened? What the truth about my son? Ma'am, I don't care about getting kicked
out. I'm not trying to kick you out. I'm trying to move the meeting forward. I'm being trying to move the meeting forward. You yelling from there is not helping. You don't care about me. You don't care about the community. You are enough for
the people. I can't wait to talk about and have you steal an election this time. I was thinking this that was old tactic. I've been sitting here waiting to see what happened to my son. Y'all shot my son running from the back. All right. Please leave. Please leave. You I'm
asking you to leave. Officer, please escort her out. I don't care about getting kicked out. Please leave. If you're just going to yell because everybody has an opportunity to speak. I get that. I'm not going nowhere. I'll be back next week. That's fine. You can
come back next week. I want to know the truth about this. Okay. I'm never leaving. I'm trying to get you up there, but people are interrupting. You're interrupting other people's opportunity to speak. [Music]
recording this. I'm positive helping Melinda Villain, historic Indian River City. I'm here to talk about our favorite topic, the city-owned rights of ways. First, I would like to thank Mecoso and the interim city manager for actually coming down to look at the problems. I hope to meet soon with
Tonman and Brad to get a solution to a problem that should have never happened. So, all I wanted was the stop sign coming out of the alleyway south of me that's leaning behind a tree to be rided because our cars are blowing through it. I called the city street department and was told that the alley behind North Boulevard Charities is a private, not
city property. So, the stop sign belongs to them and well, that's just wrong. So, I go and double check the street maps and it looks about the same as the 2023 map. None of the alleyways are there except for mine which was added and now goes all the way through to Parish. An alley that alleyway that has been a dead
end with no turnaround for 80 years and you guys just opened it back up. Now it's on F.Rightway maps as being a through alley once again. It was halfway abandoned in the 1940s. And that's the problem. You're looking and dealing with streets and alleys that are
over a hundred years old. So another history lesson. Originally platted in 1913. You can see that every property had an alley running behind it. It runs from Buouie to the north side of Pritchard. It was replatted in 1924 before the opening of Cheney Highway. The most noticeable changes to the
platting being the addition of the south side of Pritchard to Cheney Highway and the alley between Coin and Pritchard being turned into Jeepson. But there was also a 1925 platting that I don't think anyone knows about. It made the boundaries to IRC to where the Addison Creek meanders, but we don't have the
1925 platting. rather a vague description approved by the Florida Senate in November of 1925. But we do have the 1925 city plan which turns all the alleyways into green spaces. And my favorite thing, you see where the parking lot and gas station
are for Cumberland Farms? How they're unclassified streets? As you can see from the 1965 aerrol photo, that's probably left over from when it appeared to be a trailer park 60 years ago. Are you going to reopen those streets too without warning? So, your street map is
wrong. I only wanted the stop sign fixed and instead I ran into a host of other problems. I am hopeful that this problem gets a quick resolution. Thank you. And just so you guys know, I have done a lot of history and everything with Bardon. I wasn't going to mention this. Um, I have
for the past year volunteered with a local historical organization. Um, with everything that's going on, I feel remiss not to let you guys know that the seat of the North Bard KKK in 1925 was
in Mims Elementary School. They met every Thursday evening, all visitors welcome. There have been numerous KKK meetings in throughout the mid20s, including a parade in downtown Titusville in the mid20s of the Kulex Clan. So, I just think that I with
everything that's going on that I would be remiss if I did not mention that. Thank you. Thank you, city clerk. Sorry, the clock didn't start last time. I didn't notice till you're like two minutes into it, but I didn't know where, you know, I'm trying to be fair to you. Um, anybody else public
comment? Are you seeing none? Moving on. City manager. Oh, it's my report. report. I have uh just uh threeformational items on the Sorry, it's I said city manager, but I it's our reports. Okay. You want
to do mayor and council reports first? Yeah. So, Sarah, would you like to go first? I don't think I have any right thing right now, so I'll pass. Vice Mayor Cole, I have been getting a lot of complaints
about uh Wire 3 uh digging up and not doing the proper things. I met with uh I met with people from wire 3 this morning at 10:30 and we went around and as we were meeting they cut a water
line. I went to the people but and it wasn't a city water line. The water line was in within private property. So I went with the uh pre HOA president at LIA because that's where they are right now and
uh I they promised that they were going to do better supervision around the people. the the major concern is they've been parking heavy equipment on people's properties, which I think they have the right to do because but the problem with
that is even if the the Florida statute gives them the right to do it, at least common courtesy would be to go up to the door, knock on the door, and tell the people you're getting ready to do it.
So, I was given some asurances. Whether that was good, bad, or indifferent, I don't know. But I don't think they want to meet with me again to give me excuses as to why it's not working. So, we'll see what happens because they're they're
in Lita now, but they're going to be all over the city. And this problem has existed before. last year, um, Clear Channel was putting in and I guess AT&T is going to come and put in. So, everybody's doing their own little
trenches to put it in. And although our people have gone out and marked where the utilities are, there have been instances with them digging where it hasn't been marked.
So, as luck would have it, like I said, they cut a waterline while we they the three guys from Wire 3 was standing up talking to me. So, we'll see what happens. Mayor, could I add to that real quick? Yes. Um, just on that discussion because the state won the contract and I
know I think the mayor did a mayor's minute on it. I also talked to our PIO about this. She plans to do someformational pieces on it. I will tell you, I've had citizens reach out to me with issues with wire 3. It's on city property and it like one particular one
I had it had been that way since November and we just she just thought, "Oh, let me just ask Sarah." And um we were able to get staff to go and look at it and then contact wire 3 and they were out the next day. So I think for us in the interim because this is not a contract that we awarded. I think we
just need to encourage citizens to reach out to us if they do see some issue and then we can get staff to hold wire 3 accountable given the situation and then I think our PIO will also do some information. Yeah. Believe me, they are reaching out to us. Yep. Yes. Does that
conclude your report, Vice Miracle? Yes. All right. Um and just on that topic, I met with um Mr. today and staff is keeping track of all the water lines they break and how much it's costing our city. So hopefully we can get some, you know, restitution. All
right. U member Nelson, would you like to go next? If I could. Yes. Um, Monday we went to the Memorial Day celebration and ran into my my kid's old coach, uh, who is an
Olympian and she's now the coach for Titusville High School. Uh, she's a swim coach and what she was saying to us was, I think it's Palm Bay has five community
pools. Um, Rock, Rock also has a community pool along with several other communities. And so I would like to look at the advisability of us having a community pool. One of the things she's
she mentioned was she said um that the colleges are looking for places for their swimmers to come during the winter during breaks and it provides
revenue and also swim meets. So she she was saying you know it might be worth it to look at doing something like this. And of course, I'd be very great for our kids to have a community pool. We did
have one. It was Titusville High. And it was, as I understand, built by Rotary, given to the school board as a community pool, and it's no longer a community pool. Maybe Stan remembers,
but that's what one of the older Rotarians told me. Um, so I would like us to at least look at it, see if it's feasible. So I'm asking for advisability. Is that your motion? That's my motion.
Is there a second? I'll second. We have a card. If you're making a motion, Stan Johnston. Motion and second on advisability of a community pool. Uh, I'm doing some swimming. Y'all probably know that already, some of you.
And uh I go to the YMCA right now except because of this u but u uh I have some sympathy for it cuz I came from West Virginia and I'm so ashamed when I came to Florida being near the ocean and so forth. It was so backward because I had
so many swimming pools where I lived in West Virginia. Uh I think that that there should be uh let's say u something as far as swimming pools here because people drown. Too many people drowned. I'm I'm just embarrassed. I mean, as far
as I can say is I hate to say this, but as far as I can say is when I moved here, Titusville is backward and it still is backward. That's a hell of a heck of a thing to say. The city of Titusville was formerly the city with the highest per capita income in the
whole United States. Look at it now. I can't believe it. So, anyhow, I'm I I don't I want to uh uh don't make an opinion on this because uh I would like to see something, but it seemed like um I don't
know what's going on because like Royal Oak, they got a swimming pool there. It's dry. It's it's dry. That's a shame. We have a we had the the parish hospital had a nice swimming pool and now it's I don't know. I don't think I can even get it to use it anymore. the one that's uh
uh it's got a building over it. What do you call it? Indoor indoor pool. So, um uh but we do need something. We really our community needs something. So, I don't know what what you can do is whether Titusville should build a pool or something like that because right
now, guess what happened years ago is that Budweiser offered to build a a swimming pool free at Astron High School and Astron High School turned him down because it was a beer beer place and
they wanted to put Astronaut Eagle in the bottom of the pool. So, I don't know. It's it's a uh it's a backward place here and with the KKK like she was talking about. It's a backward Yeah. Well, um I did hear that same story about the Annheiser Bush. Thank you, Mr.
Johnson. Uh unfortunately, the school board uh you know, didn't feel too too good about that one. But I have a motion and a second uh for advisability about a pool. And uh you know one thing I want to say about is if you look at doing like an aquatic center that has recreation but at the same time you know
something for laps and that could uh maybe be an avenue from some TDC money tourism development council money. Um you know there's various different ways we can slice it. So looking at all available options of funding even if it requires maybe putting something like that before the residents. Uh because I
know I personally wouldn't feel comfortable, you know, if we got to that point, let's say it's going to cost, you know, $10 million, $20 million. I think that that decision should end up with the residents ultimately. Yeah. None not a survey. Official survey official uh
because uh you know, just kind of like uh we did with the riverfront property there. So that's just my two cents on my discussion piece. Vice Mayor Cole, did you have anything to Yeah, I had something for discussion and that is I'm on the YMCA board and we're in the
process of of doing a fundraiser to heat the pool and to heat the pool that we have that's existing is $160,000. Wow. We're doing a fundraiser for it. But, you know, there there may be an
opportunity for a partnership and I'm not sure eventually what's going to happen with the pool at the parish, but we're also looking at a combined operation. So there are two pools that are already existing and there may be
some kind of city partnership that we could do because I I think the cost of us building a city pool with the operation and everything it may be cost prohibitive but I am going to vote for the advisability of it but I I'm just
throwing those that information out. I think the voters would be very interested especially those with kids in having a community pool. Yeah. So the question would be um are they understanding that we're gonna have to
pay for it? So I don't know. Um any further discussion from council? All right. Motion and second already called the cards. All those in favor say I. I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. So
second thing, sorry I'm longwinded. Your report longwinded tonight. uh mountain bikes, m mountain bike trail. Uh and talking to Jason, we already have the bike trails, but he was saying that they
do the same thing. They have groups that go from one trail to the next trail. And so it's almost economic development because we're talking about bringing people in that like these trails. Um
there's actually a group that will help build the trails. Um, and there's potentially funding for it. So, I would like to have us get advisability on mountain bike
trails. I'll second. I got a motion and I have a second. Any uh discussion from council? I don't see any. Mr. Johnson? mountain bikes. We don't have any mountains.
Uh yeah, really. I mean, they got trails, but I don't think they should be calling mountain bikes. Although, what I do is what I do is when nobody's looking, I've taken my bicycle up and down your steps out here because uh uh there's no mountains and so I just have to go up and down the stairs on my
bicycle. So, uh, anyhow, u please don't misuse bike the word bike mountain bikes because it's it's it's a mountain. It's bicycle trails. That's all I would say because these are these we don't have any mountains, do we?
Well, I think the differentiator, Mr. Johnson, if I may, is a bike trail, somebody in their minds will think paved road, and a mountain bike is a type of bike that goes over dirt. Yeah. Well, we have a thing place in in uh I don't know if it's still there in in the park, Marina Park, where where I've gone up
and down hills, up and down. So, uh me out pretty quickly though. It's real quick. Once or twice around. That's it for me. Okay. And but I did do I went over 77 miles about two years ago. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Member Nelson. So, the last thing I want to bring up is obviously um getting a
report back from FDLE on the shooting has been agonizing time. It's struggled last week. They do have the report. There will be three attorneys that will review it, including the state
attorney. So, is pretty long, pretty involved, but it's making progress. Um, but that being said, it seems like u maybe we need to find somebody to do
investigations other than FDLE. Yeah. And that's just my suggestion, my thought. Thank you, member Nelson, for bringing that up. When we had this discussion at our last meeting about um about this, I I think that was my comment was maybe we need to look at,
you know, or somebody other than FDLE to be our go-to provider as they're more and more being short staffed. So, but again, member Nelson, if you have a motion then and there's a second, we can open up for further discussion. Do we need a motion? Well, if you want to do
advisability on it. Okay, I can do advisability. Um, I would suggest my motion would be that we look at what other options we have as opposed to FDLE to investigate officer involved
shootings. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Yes, ma'am. Motion. Can I make a comment in one second? I'm just Yeah. So, we have a motion to advisability to look over other possible avenues of
officer involved shooting investigations. We have a second. I'm used to calling Stan, but yes. Okay. Um, just a quick thing. Um, when you did this checking, did you find out the question I brought up? Is it illegal for
for the part department here, Chief Lau, to release the video? Now, I haven't heard that answer. He was asked not to release it at this point. Is it illegal? That's not the answer. It would not be illegal, but it would
not be proper. Well, you know, properly from an attorney's point of view, uh, if it was my case, I'd be having a heart attack if he released it. Well, I'm sure there's a number of people that might be having a heart attack about the citizens getting
to see that video, right? But the point is, if it's not illegal, it should be released and it's not going to really affect the investigation if the mother gets to see the video of her son. That's just a bunch of baloney. to be nice so I
don't use any bad words but if it's not illegal and you've already as a city council said that you want it and on and Mr. or body was to request it, it needs to be done. That's my Thank
you. So, we have a motion second. Any further discussion about the advisability of looking in alternative means? Stan passed. Oh, you passed. Um, alternative investigives for officers involved shootings. Uh, members. Yes. Um, I thought when this got brought up
at the last meeting that it was advised that even though the state does take a long time that it's a best practice to have them do it. Um, and I will say when it got brought up to potentially have uh the county do it, I don't think that was
seen as favorably. Um, so I I don't know. I don't I I I know this particular instance has taken longer. Um, and I will tell you in being up here, you know, going on nine years, this is the first time that this has happened. So, I think I'm a little bit reluctant to make
a change like that, um, just because this particular one took a while. I, while I don't like that it took this long, I'm hopeful that the findings will be accurate and correct and it makes me feel better knowing that the state is overseeing it and not somebody so close
to our area. Um, so I don't know. I don't I'm not particularly in favor of this. Member Mscoso. Yeah, I would agree with member Stokal. I think I even though it has taken a while, I think my grievance has been not so much. It's
just the lack of updates I feel like even we have gotten. And that was my my question to Mr. Bate today is it's really hard to sit up here every two weeks and look people in the eye and have no answers. And so I did request for Chief Laauo to come. So perhaps he
could explain, but um if this is the process, I feel comfortable with FDLE being in charge of it and I agree. I wouldn't want it to be any closer to to home. It just makes it a more straightforward process. Vice Mayor Cole. Yeah, I totally agree
with that. I But I do think something's got to be done because 3 months is just too damn long, right? You know, and I I something has got to be done. I don't know if after we finally get the report
that then we can meet with FDLE because I I I just I remember when I was at the NAACP meeting and I gave a talk and there was an FDLE guy there and right at
that time Orlando had had a officer involved shooting and it took one month to get the information back and that was something I said, and I was hoping that what I said was true, but it's obvious it wasn't. But we've got to take a long hard look at
this. I don't care who is at fault because we have no idea, but the optics of this is deplorable. The optics makes everybody think that we're trying to hide something and we're trying to follow procedures. So, I'm just
hoping that we don't have to go through another city council meeting like we've gone through tonight. I understand. I totally understand why the people that are associated and
the mother are upset. I totally understand that because it's taken so long for them to get results. So I would say I don't and I agree with both uh member Mscoso and Memois Stokal that I
don't think we need to have a local agency do it because then again we're back at optics again and and that's not going to look good putting the FDLE which is disassociated with us doing the investigation. But hell, if they're going to take 3 months to do it, maybe
we need to go get Nebraska or New York or somebody else to do the investigations. But I think that we can have a come to Jesus meeting with FDLE to try to say, "Hey guys, you you you're putting us in a very very tough position. We need
help because it just looks horrible." It really looks horrible. It does. Yeah. Yeah. And I believe that's kind of the the motion was uh just for advisability, explore options. I mean, at the end of the day, council doesn't have to do anything with it, but it's, you know, up to the motion maker and the
secondary. It's basically let's explore options. Um, and a part let her finish. No, go ahead. I was saying a part a part of that could be that as we do that we like I said we get
FPLE involved in it so that we can find out why does it take so long or maybe we should ask them to come talk to us. I think we should as a part of your motion and say, "Hey, tell us why it took so long." And maybe
we need to do that before we Maybe. So, yeah. So, do I have a friendly amendment to your motion? Yes. Seconder. Yes. All right. So, now the uh motion has been amended to ask FDLA to come in and explain their process and you know,
quite frankly, why it took so long? Everybody on the same page? Would you guys like to recomment or anything? Good. All right. All those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Are you done, Mr. Julian?
Mscoso. Sure. Um, so first I want to thank um Mr. Bate. He's been super helpful. Whenever I've had calls from um residents, I've asked him if if it's necessary if he would come out and he's done that a few times. we're going out somewhere tomorrow and what's been
really helpful is for him to get eyes on the situation and then to be able to direct the staff instead of me trying to figure it out and going back and forth. So, I appreciate your willingness to do that. Um, this one is going to be a tough one. Um, and I'm going to ask um
our interm city attorney if she'd like to say anything before I speak. No. Okay. So, I told her I was going to do this and I wanted to give her the opportunity to share her side and you're
sure you don't want to speak. I'll answer any questions that asked. So, I got and I got a few weeks ago a records request from someone named
um Maverick Brownfield. Has anybody else gotten a records request from Maverick Brownfield? not from him but many others. So, um I found it interesting. The request was for all of my social
media from the month of December. It said, "I would like to request a copy of all social media publications made by Megan Moscoso regarding official city business during the month of December 2024." So, I did my best to comply. I
went through my social media and I took screenshots and I sent that off. This morning I get another request and they're asking for the same person. Now the name is Maverick Brownfield/Anthony
Altoont. Um this comes from Lisa Marie, our records person. She said the record request has been provided was not responsive to the original request. Please provide the complete audiovisisual content of each post that was made in the month of December to include all audio and video messages
associated with each post that was provided by Miss Moscoso. So, I did my best to fulfill the request. Um, with this one, I emailed back quickly and said, "Hey, here's the link to my social media if you would like it." Um, but what was
interesting on that request is there was an email or a text exchange that was included to the to the request. And I don't think it was on purpose. And I'm going to pass this down so that I've got one for each of you so that you can
see this conversation. And I'm very, very disappointed in this. And I hate to even have to bring it up, but I think this is something I have to do. So, it's an exchange between our
interimm city manager, our interimm city attorney, Chelsea, and some other person. The name's blacked out, so I don't know. But if you go through it, what it is is our interimm city attorney
telling whoever this is to request these records from me and then saying, "Wait, you need to go back and request it this way." So I wanted to follow procedure and I wanted to do what was right. So the first person I called
was our was Chelsea and I asked her about this and I said, "Hey, look, this came in. and I don't know anything about this. And until I told her, there's a picture of a little girl and this is what the text messages
say. She finally admitted, "Yes, that was me." So the messages say, "Do you think you can cut and paste that last message I sent you and put that in the reply back to the email you got to the city?" So I asked Chelsea, "Why would you do this? Why would you request
someone else to give records asking records from me. I I I honestly I don't I don't understand why this happened. What's going on? I asked who was Maverick Brownfield. It's a Bvard resident. And Chelsea did admit to doing
this, but I don't know what to do with this. I honestly don't. I've never had a a city attorney go to a third party to request records. I asked Chelsea, "Why didn't you just request them from me?" because
I also got this one. I got another one for some audio recording and I submitted that. Um, right now I have car 4, which is the developer from Apollo Gardens asking for records. When I asked the city, uh, Richard Broom and I asked
Chelsea, "How do I comply with this?" Chelsea told me, "You need to hire outside legal counsel." So, um, is that correct or is that is that true, Miss Chelsea?
Yes, that advice was given to you. Okay. So, hire outside legal counsel. So, I'm in the process because I'm asking our city for help with a records request from car for Apollo Gardens and I'm asking them what does what do I need to include? Could you help me under
understand this? And I'm told you need to you need to get your own outside city council. So or so I'm in the process of hiring an attorney. So that means the records request that they're they're asking for is going to take time. I've never done this before. It it it's it's
not an overnight thing. So when I asked Chelsea why why did you do this? Why would why wouldn't you just come to me? and she said, "I wanted to see how you would respond to this request, like testing me." Would you like to add anything to
that? We have an we have several ongoing public records requests and my job is to make sure that we have compliance. and I may have um done some may have made a mistake and I've told you that and I would like to again apologize um for maybe going outside of the scope
of where I should have. I don't believe that anything was illegal. I could have done it a different way, but my goal is to get the correct responses from public records requests. So, in order to get a correct response,
you wanted to see how I was going to respond, you go to a third party to request that. Instead of just saying, "Hey, Megan, this is how you need to respond. This is what I'm looking for." That is what's disappointing. I I don't know what to do with this. I really I
don't And I I'm just I'm absolutely shocked by it. Um I asked for advice. How do I respond to this? I'm told to get legal counsel and then I have this third party directed by our interimm
city attorney asking for records. So I I I asked her to share because I wanted to hear her first. I spoke to Mr. Abate as well. Um Dwight Severs was in
the meeting with us because I I needed some guidance because I've never handled this. But, um, I just wanted you guys to have this, um, so that you're aware of what is going on. I don't I don't know what to do with it. I'm still waiting to
comply with the other records request because I am I don't know. Have you guys gotten the advice that you need to seek outside counsel? Yes. For a records request from from Richard Broom. I did for a records request, too, because he said, uh, my social media is out.
Can I I got you. Uh, it's hard to talk into the mic and to you. Thank you, Miss Conklin. You're welcome. So, Richard B room advised me when I got a public records request from my social media that I needed to hire outside legal counsel to see if I needed to
comply or not because he felt that that was he's he's the city attorney for the city. And he said that waned on personal. So, that's what I did. Uh that was I think back in January or right after we were first elected because I didn't know how to respond either. Uh so
I went through that that same process. Um and which is why I made certain changes to my social media to make it um easier to follow that process. But yeah, but you didn't have the city attorney go through a third party to try to see how
you were going to respond. Not that I'm aware of. Not that you're aware of. I've asked has she done this to anyone else? I just and the question I did tell Chelsea I I am going to ask and I hope she has an answer for this so that we are all aware of this. I I asked
uh if you could tell us because I need to know this. When this is actually the request that you wrote and you got this person to say when you ask for a request of a copy of all social media publications regarding official city
business, what does that look like for us? Just in case Sarah gets one or or somebody else, what does that look like? because obviously the response I gave Maverick Brownfield wasn't up to par and you asked that person to add more to it.
So just for for my knowledge, this isn't a personal thing. This is a request that you sent me. How do I respond when you say all social media publication? What are you looking for Chelsea? Public records includes all photographs,
videos, recordings, and if content is in the form of audio or video talking about things that are official business or could come before the city, then the content that makes up the audio and
video as a part of that post or communication would be subject to the public records law and subject to disclosure upon request. Okay. So we're all aware of that is if we get that request now that could have been easily a
conversation and not whatever this was. So thank you. Does that conclude your report? Yeah. Okay. Thank you. All right. So it's time for my report. Um my report's in the
packet. A lot of uh a lot of great things happening in the city of Titusville. I'm excited to highlight those um on a daily basis. You know, unfortunately, we had a a tragedy strike real close to home just yesterday with uh the unfortunate passing of that that
mother of three on 95. Um that's that's really touched a lot of us. Uh she was a nurse here locally, went to, you know, Park Avenue Church. Um, so that that's definitely um it's been tough and I think not only that tragic accident, but
um the two others that have happened this year before um have have really done a number on on us here locally. Um but um I'm I'm optimistic that we're going to we're going to pull forward. We got a lot of amazing fresh ideas. I
mean, Joe Lynn just pitched the idea of an aquatic park and I mean, I was about to jump out of out of my seat because, you know, I got two small kids. Uh, with that being said, um I think tonight's meeting um if you look at the business
section of the meeting, we got done in two hours and 10 minutes, which I thought was very very productive and efficient. And uh I think that I would like to pass the gavl and make the motion that we have
staff do some advisability on ordinance change to number two-24 the rules of council uh moving petitions and request only having one at the end and not televising them due to the fact of the flagrant FCC violations by Miss
Elizabeth Baker tonight. So with that, is there a second? I will second for discussion. There's a second. Discussion, Miss Stokel. Yeah. Um, I will tell you there's
definitely been a difference in meetings um where I feel like we're able to conduct business effectively um in meetings that we haven't and just in the time that I've served um and it has been night and day and I think it goes to
your philosophy on government's role and what we're supposed to do here as leaders and so a lot goes into it. Um and I talk to my colleagues about this a lot. One of them is we need we're there's certain things we have to do. Um there's certain items on the agenda we have to get through. We have to be
respectful of people's time that show up. Um we need to make sure that we allow for public comment. Um and we need to be transparent. So I'm in favor of looking into this. I don't know what that looks like or what that is, but I will tell you um since Palm Bay made
their change, I asked and I said, "Hey, since you guys stopped televising your public comment, when did you guys get out?" They said it was still daylight 8:00 p.m. And that is bec and that's not to say that they don't care about public comment because they still have public comment. They're just not giving them
the platform for the video. Um and so to me what we should be doing up here is making sure we're hearing people. It was great to see all the citizens that came for that cup and that they had that time. And I miss that sometimes during our meetings where we have people that
are coming, they have a petition, we act on that petition and we have a happy citizen. And sometimes these meetings get overtaken by certain agendas and that that's not why we are here. We are here to serve 50,000 residents to the best of our ability. So I would be in
favor of looking what we can do to help that process. Member Nelson. And I have to say I know there are people that like having the petitions first. I sort of do. But I have had citizens tell me,
"Hey, you know, we're here to find out what the business is not to listen to everybody's gripes. We want to know what's going on in our city, what what what things you're voting on, and not necessarily what everybody else is
thinking." So, you know, there are people that are like, "Well, you know, we need to talk." Agreed. But there are citizens, our citizens out there that by far don't seem to want to listen
to it. So, thank you, Member Nelson. Member Mscosao. The people are the business. The people are the business. And there are people who can't make it to these
meetings. and they deserve the right to know what is going on. I often will go and watch the PNZ and hear their discussion, but I want to know what the residents think and that is even taking that away from me. I like to see what's
going on in Palo Bay. So, I will often skip through and hear what the residents because I get a better picture of the overall feel by hearing a lot of the public comment and thinking, "Oh, they're having issues with their cameras because it's not on the agenda, but
you'll hear 10 people get up and talk about the cameras." That's how we know things. And so, for me, I think it's unnecessary. I think we need to allow I yeah of course we want our meetings to run more efficiently and maybe we can come up
with other ways. I don't think this is the way and I I feel I was elected to listen to people and if they want to come and scream for 3 minutes then that is their right and this is my job and I don't if I don't get out till 12:00 and
I don't like it but that's what I signed up for. Thank you. Uh yeah, not taking away anybody's right to talk and come yell at us for a while if they would like to do so, but at the end of the day, we have a a business meeting to run and to conduct. And to remember uh Nelson's
point, you know, seeing that that excited family be able to have them their story told is why we're here. Anything that comes up in petitions and requests will be advertised on a future agenda where citizens can come come talk about that item. Member Stokal. Yes,
just to add to that, this is advisability and it's that's for us to come up with what can we do to make sure that we are running effectively. Those public comments will still be in agendas. Maybe we look at maybe it's the audio is still on but we're not doing the video footage so we can still hear
that publicly for those that can't because again at the end of the day you you also have to consider there's residents that don't come to the meetings because they don't want to sit through hours and hours of the same thing being repeated. So again, I think that it's important for us to go out and
make sure we're talking and trying to engage with as many citizens as possible to make sure that we are running effective government. And again, not limiting comment, but making sure that we are sticking to what our purpose is, which to member Mscos's point is the people, all 50,000 people, that we're
serving them appropriately. Vice Mayor Cole. Yeah. I made the motion to move the comments because I looked at the agenda and I saw the agenda was filled and I wanted to get through the work first and then we go to petitions and requests. We didn't cut off petitions
and requests. We just put it at the end. And I I there there's got to be a better way to do this. And I think that the advisability, we're not saying we're going to stop. We're not saying what we're going to do. All we're doing is asking for
advisability for a better way to build a mouse trap. Yeah. And if this does um pass, there'll be, you know, a first reading and a second reading. It's not set in stone. Uh but I see there was a couple cards that got turned in. So um
Are you going to call Tony first? Can't hear you. I was talking to the city clerk. Um Tony Shaloon. Yeah. You want to talk about optics? This looks really good. This looks really good, Sarah. You sat here through this whole meeting doing something. God only
knows what. At least it wasn't eating this time like it is a lot of times. It is your job to listen to us. It is your job to let people come up here and these people that came here and you changed the you changed the order. By God, they
sat here though. The mother didn't leave and her supporters didn't leave. Optics. You're talking about optics. This looks really bad. This is a really bad suggestion even to want to
entertain. I worked in television. I don't come here to speak to you, to be on TV. Look at me, Ron. That's my brother. He's at home watching. Um, but I can see him anytime. He
doesn't have to watch your meeting to see people on TV. That's not what they come here and that's not what they rave about. A lot of people are even very nervous and don't get up right away because it is
TV. Don't be stupid. Don't cut your nose off to spite your face right now at a time in this city when the people are coming time after time, week after week. And I sat here 4 hours tonight and you're going to talk about cutting it
off, not showing it, not letting people know what's going on. I'm just livid. I'm beside myself. I'm going to have to leave this meeting before Jackson me out. City clerk, is there another card?
Who is it? Kathleen Noart. Well, I second everything Tony said, but let me also point out your minutes are junk. Absolute junk. And so if the citizens are trying to know what happens here because of the minutes, they
haven't a clue. So before you even consider this, why don't you consider using something like AI and getting every single thing said here recorded? Because if the citizens don't have that already, and we sure don't, and now
we're not going to be able to hear what the other citizens say unless we bring in the our own people to record it. And people are not I mean, ridiculous. I I you know, furious with you, but I'm not here to be on TV. I really could care less about being on TV except I want the
citizens to know the things that I'm saying. And you look awful. And you know, Mayor Connor, you're a joke because you're there illegally and you know it and everybody here knows it. So why should we even think about something
that you would recommend? Anything else? I I'm disgusted with you. Totally. And I'm really disappointed in all these decisions you've been making tonight. One after another that push people off to not hear the citizens. And now you
have terrible minutes. You're not going to have any recording. And if it's audio only, that's ridiculous. Why do that? Which there's no time savings. You were supposed to, I believe, according to our attorney, who I think should be fired for her behavior.
You just I It's appalling how you are treating the citizens. It's unbelievably appalling. And I'm very disappointed in this. And all I'll do is everything I can. And I'm a real good person at getting the word out to the voters
because I have their emails. I don't have the city emails for the water department because even though legally you're supposed to provide them, our attorney here opted not to do that and came up with multiple excuses. So, you're really not serving the citizens
and you really should be ashamed of yourselves. City clerk motion to extend the meeting. I cannot make that motion. Move to extend meeting to 10:45. Sure. I have a
motion and a second. All those in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. City clerk. Elizabeth Baker. Apparently, I was mentioned when I walked out the room because of my horrible, horrible language. Yes. I'm not really sorry. I'm not sorry at all.
You deserve it. You deserve so much more than that. You guys are disgusting. You're a joke, dude. A total joke. I've seen people like you before. I have dealt with demons much
bigger. Creepy behavior. It's creepy, narcissistic, disgusting behavior when you try to silence people or limit them to speaking. It's absolutely against everything that this country has been
fighting for for a really, really, really long time. You guys are okay with going backwards, though, aren't you? You want to go back to when people in positions like you could
just arrest guys like him. You can just bring charges against advocates. You can just do whatever the hell you want to do because you're the king or the princess. You sit up here and eat. You
sit up here and you don't look at people when they're talking. you refuse to answer answer questions. Maybe the reason that you're so comfortable with limiting everybody else's speech is because how quiet you guys are. Maybe that's what it
is. You think that maybe Got a minute and nine seconds here. What do we do? Just sit here, look at each other, stare at each other. You know better than me, don't you? You're smarter than me, aren't
you? Oh, you are. I see how uncomfortable you are with all of this, Mr. for several years. I've had a lot of respect for you. Actually, I would continue to have that respect if you stood up for the people in this situation here,
too. I can't wait. I cannot wait to see these four seats changed. How long do we have? Anybody know when the next election is? When do we get rid of these
people? When do they leave our city council and stop treating us like we don't matter? You're very welcome. City clerk still Bailey. I just want to say thank you. You are
going to make Bvard News explode if you do this because we're going to come in here and we're going to do 10 times better than your production. We're going to come in here and we're going to get every single one of your facial expressions yours. We're going to get
the audience and we're going to get the speakers and we're going to fulfill the job that you're meant to do because you don't have a thick skin to deal with what people say up here. We have come here time and time again and I've told you about fake accounts being made and
how they made to harass people online and you are just given an example and proof that your sitting temporary city attorney did it. That validates everything we've been saying. I have not had one of you ask
any further details about the allegations that are being made from Stan Johnson's arrest to them coming to my home to the right call. None of it. And when people come up here and they speak during public comment, no,
it's not to come up here and get three minutes of FaceTime. It's because they're trying to put things on the record. So, if you're going to take away this little section here, that's fine. and Bvard News will fulfill what you can't what you can't do or don't want to do because we believe in the
Constitution, but get your minutes right because they do not reflect. And what I will start doing is I'll start putting videos of speakers and your exact minutes so people can see online the 1.7 million followers we have, they can see for themselves how the minutes are
versus how the public comments are. This was all coordinated. We've known for a while. We've been reporting on this exact move. You'd waited till the end of this meeting to make this decision. Sneaky. And then you wonder why there's
no public trust. Then you wonder why people don't like you. Then you wonder why people continue to talk about this type of stuff on social media. You guys are handing us everything on a silver platter tonight. My god, chef's kiss.
You guys did amazing. Let's move the public comments. Do you know what I heard out in that hallway by that community? They said that was the equivalent of being sprayed with water hoses back in the day. What you did to them tonight, telling them they had to wait 4 hours. These are people that work
hard. I don't know if any of you guys have jobs. Some of us have multiple jobs where we're working from 4:00 a.m. to noon to 2:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. and you want them to sit through four hours till the end and then you just sit there and you
just look, do you care? Do you ever follow up? I asked you that last time. Do you ever call the people that come up here and talk? Maybe they wouldn't be coming back here time and time again if you actually called and follow up or had your city manager do so. Thank you, Miss Bailey. City clerk.
Stan Johnston. Uh, Stan Johnston. I'm going to tell you something you don't like, and that's about Mrs. Oscoso. is that uh I've asked her um I
think even before she got um elected is that uh find out what the heck's going on with this spraying people with piss and poop. And the reason being is that uh it's horrible what you guys done. Horrible. And so she won't give me an
answer yet. She will not give me an answer because she won't ask the question to you guys. Why in the world are you doing it? It's it's what you're doing is it's not dishonest. It's far beyond dishonesty. In other words, when you put down your toilet, you poop in your
toilet and you send it and put it on women, children, and babies. That's what you guys did. So there's no re there's no way that that she's pretty much she's telling me is that there's no way that you guys will ever admit that this was the wrong thing to do. It was horrible what you
did. It's not much different than Agent Orange, but it's different than Agent Orange. I've had so many buddies die from this Agent Orange. Horrible deaths. Same can happen with with uh with sewage spill. And you guys just ignore it as if
it don't happen. As if it's going to you're going to make it ignore it. So it just disappears. Rewriting history like it never happened. Mr. Body, that goes for you too on this. You've been in this situation. I I can't speak for for your attorney, but this dirty rotten
politician is horrible. It's disgusting. It's illegal what you're doing. And I've, as you know, I've I've contacted the governor and so forth against one, two, three, four people right here. And you know, can't you remember about this fraud? I mean, you
weren't you just you can read about it. If you want to know about the fraud, it still exists. You guys are still on the fraud. One, two, three, four. You you guys, especially Mrs. Nelson and Mrs. Dr. Stokel. They were here when it was initiated in
2019. Fraud. Fraud by my hometown government. You guys are shysters, liars, cheats, dishonest. There's no question about it. She doesn't have to explain it to me. She explains it to me by not being able to answer the question. She never could get an answer
from city city attorney. Not city attorney, but city manager. He's a crook. He's a shyster. Maybe you guys are too. I pray for you. I really do. I pray for you. I don't think it does any good. Doesn't seem like
it. So, uh, you guys have to live with yourself. And Sarah, maybe she'll wake up. Sarah, you don't realize what happened tonight, but many times I pointed to you as you were doing your homework and I said, "She's not listening. She's not listening." And so forth. If you don't believe me, ask you
know a body or somebody. Johnson, thank you very much. I'm against what you're doing. The last card is Vicky Conlin. here. It's really hard. I sit back here and I listen and I watch and I know what good government is. This isn't. And it's so
frustrating because I want to say so much and I'm trying to hold back. But I really can't too much longer. I really thought we were in a democracy and I thought Tituso was a good place to be. It's got so many wonderful people and the citizens are
why you're here. You ran for office. You signed your name. You knew what it would entail, especially if you've been reelected. You knew that the meetings were long and you you are here until the meeting is done until the B city business is conducted. You don't watch
the clock and say you measure the success of your meeting if you're done by 8:00 p.m. That's not a measure of a success of a meeting. The measure of a success is listening to the citizens of our community. You listen to their needs. You listen to their concerns. You
answer them. You don't just look at them with a smirk on your damn face. You listen to them and you address their needs. And you say, "Can we meet tomorrow? Can I go out and look at your issue tomorrow with you? Can I solve things for you?" That is why you're
here. Surely to goodness, that's why you ran for office. It's why I ran for office and served for 11 years in the community I came from. And I can tell you I enjoyed every minute of it. It was fun because we made things happen and we solved problems. You guys are creating problems and you're creating animosity
of the residents and the citizens. And we have a bad eye now. We are looked on unfavorably from every place, not just our county. I can't believe this is all happening. We have an intram city attorney who is entrapping an elected council member.
Does that not bother you? None of you made a comment about that. Is that a fireable offense? I believe this person should be fired. Entrament of an elected council member. That's not serious enough for you. I mean, really, that is
bad. That is really bad. She needs to go and we need to get in somebody who can who's interrum who can until you get the interviews done for the new people. This is unacceptable behavior for anybody to be doing. We have corruption in the police department where very well
established. We have corruption in elected officials very well established. We have corruption of some city staff very well established. Titusville deserves better. And you know how you can be better is you can listen to the residents and don't be corrupt. Amen.
And that's what will make our city better. Amen. Thank you, city clerk. Are there any extra cards? Okay. Thank you. Uh thank you guys all for proving my point. Um, you know, there's a lot of, again, political
grandstating happening. And if any one of these folks in here wanted to reach out to me, I have personally returned every phone call, every email, every text. No, I don't I don't text. Uh, but I've and I've gone out of my way to meet with people where they are. And Miss Tony, you can't say that. You don't see
me out in public and we don't talk. We do. Exact. Exactly. So, the fact that people can only get their concerns addressed by coming here and yelling at us on TV is just completely ridiculous.
But you guys do not have the floor. I do. Thank you very much. I have a motion and I have a second. Um, any further discount discussion from council member Nelson? Can we I understand what you're trying to do and we do need to have an
orderly meeting but I think it's also important like the citizens have said they want to hear the business but that we also have a spot so that people can come in and talk to us. So with that in
mind I don't mind listening to different ideas on how to accomplish it. uh how to maybe do it better. Um I don't know that we can, but I'm willing to listen to whatever said, but I think we do need to
have a spot to listen to the citizens. Um and yeah, I felt bad for those people tonight because I knew I had some information which might have made them feel better. Um at least they
know there's an end to all this going on. Um, and I understand but I understand your point that we need to be able to get the business done also.
So that's my thought. Thank you, Reverend Nelson. Member Mscoso. Yeah, I would say our goal should be that residents don't feel like they have to come up here and do this. And we can do that by and maybe you guys are doing it,
I don't know, but answering emails and meeting with residents. And so that's one thing I I try to do. I am not perfect at it. I can't say that I've answered every email, but if I know someone has an issue, let's try to solve it outside of these chambers because
nobody wants to come here for 5 6 hours and have 3 minutes. It's not comfortable for people to do that. So, I think our goal should be making sure that we meet with residents when there's an issue. If we know that someone has come up here,
let's follow up. Let's ask the staff, how are we following up so that they don't have to come here for two, three, four, five, six weeks. You know, sometimes some of the requests I don't quite understand, but you know what? I'll call Glenn from code
enforcement and say, "Let's drive out there." And a lot of times that will validate someone so they say, "Somebody cares, somebody's listening." And so, do I do it perfectly? Absolutely not. My goal is that a resident comes up once we
are able to solve the issue and then they can move on. But I don't want to take that opportunity. I know we're not taking it away from them. We're not giving that we're not taking it away. But I think other people see things that are going on and I think it's important. It's a way for our community to know.
And I think I do think by doing this if we uh don't televise it's it's it's gonna it's going to be bad. It's going to be bad. Can I have a motion to extend the meeting five minutes? Move to extend five more minutes. Second. I have a
motion. Everybody in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. All right. So, I have a mo Oh, sorry. Just one last comment to member Mscos's point. Um, and member Nelson probably knows this. Uh, that typically is what happens for petitions and requests. Um, I would say a majority of
the time we only have citizens that come one time. And then I know for me in my briefings or I'll talk to Kevin afterwards and I'll get an update or I'll ask um and talk to the citizen. So typically I would say with the few exceptions um almost
everybody's issue that they're coming for gets resolved. They look into it. Um and I always I don't know I've always had that in my briefing so I don't know if anybody else has but um for the most part I would say that that is that is what I do like about petitions and requests. We'd have somebody come, they have an issue like Melinda came tonight.
She's come before with other issues regarding the alley and then I would talk to her about it. She talked to Kevin and staff. We'd figure out what's going on. They had an issue with a big truck parking out there. And so there I would like to say that I I've seen them get resolved. And again, with a few
exceptions, I I feel like we are making sure and following up with the citizens that do come and request. Thank you. All right. With all that being said, uh, city clerk, can you call the role, please?
Let me let me be clear what the Yeah. Oh, sorry. It's just advisability to amend uh the rules of council ordinance. Cler. Yes, sir. Um, Vice Mayor Cole, no. Member Stokel, yes. Member Mscoso, no.
Member Nelson, no. Mayor Connors, yes. Motion fails. City manager. Sorry. I just have uh threeformational items on my report. No action items. Thank you very much. City attorney. Yes. In your packet, you have the legal
services agreement with Balk and Bingham to and your requested action tonight is to approve the legal services agreement and authorize the city manager to execute the agreement. Can I have a motion to approve? Hold on. City. I'll take the motion first. I'll call cards. Motion to approve. Second.
Have a motion. A second. Cards. Stan Stan Johnston. Motion for it's about an agreement for an attorney for additional legal services. I'd have to check. Give me one second. A Bingham is only if necessary.
So it's not that he has a job, but If Miss Frell needs additional help, she has somebody to call. So, so, so she she'll have somebody to help her. Okay. Well, she needs help. She needs help. So, I'm going to I'm going to ask for
approval on this, but but also um city clerk. Okay. Thank you. Uh but uh this is this is a serious issue what you guys are in trouble with and and uh um my understanding is that when I had trouble
with with public records, I reported our city attorney. Listen to this. I reported our city attorney to the state attorney. The state attorney is who you should be talking to. They're the ones who straighten out these guys. In other words, when when when the state attorney
talks to Richard Broom, he stands on he stands at attention. They're the ones that supposed to protect you. Listen to that. Okay. So, anyhow, we need help. She needs help. So, let's get something done. Thank you. Thank you. All right.
Any council discussion? See none. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Can I have a motion to adjourn the meeting? Wait, we have to do the uh second petitions and requests. Oh, yeah. Since we moved it. Anybody up for seconds petitions requests?
Everybody's already spoken already. You spoken before Well, hold on. I need a motion to extend the meeting. No, I'm not going to take three minutes. I promise. I just want to point out that there are other cities that that handle things. Um, Orlando,
for instance, has a business section and they have a comment public participation section in their meetings and they're separated by sometimes hours. One is in the morning, one's in the afternoon. Look into it. That was kind of the point
of advisability, but thank you. Yeah, thank you. All right. Motion to motion to leave. Second. Thank you. Part: 2
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Good evening everybody. I'm going to call this meeting of the special recognitions and presentations city council meeting to order. May 27th, 2025 at 5:30. Um if you would please take a moment of silence for our invocation.
Thank you. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much, city manager. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and council. Our first uh item on the agenda is the employee of the month for May. And we will recognize Titusville Police Department's Heather Queen. And Chief
Lau will do the presentation. Let me see. I don't know what that was. I thought I was having a stroke for a second. I I swear I'm not a ventriloquist. I didn't do it either. Floor is all yours, Chief. So, uh truly uh this is an
honor. Um and so, uh deserving here. We're going to talk about a lot of a lot of things. Our 911 center is is a center and a and a division of our city that is near and dear to my heart. Um only
because I hear uh from peers how difficult it is to manage and run. I'm not going to throw any city in Bvard under the bus, but there's several that are at 50% personnel right now. We are not only at full strength, we actually
have one uh for a pending retirement. So, we're actually one heavy. Um in addition, uh sometimes there's a a run by the sheriff's department to want to do a consolidated dispatch center. That would be tragic for us. Not just because
of the service that our amazing uh 911 telecommunicators uh give to not just our firefighters and the police officers, but to the 50,000 residents and visitors. Uh in addition, part of what Heather is being um recognized for,
and I very rarely read, but there's so much I I don't want to miss anything. Um, so on top of doing the 911 dispatching duties and dispatching for our fire department, uh, Heather also
manages our blanket trespass warnings and our our regular trespass warnings. So they have to be managed by statute for two years and some of them for one year. So Heather will go through them. Normally our record section or or
another area of the police department would manage that. But so if we consolidate a dispatch, we would have to get other FTEEs throughout the police department because they're doing double, triple, and sometimes quadruple duty. Uh in addition,
um Heather oversees um our pager system, our 911 prepared live. Couple months ago, we had that the family that got lost in Fox Lake and uh we now have the ability to pipe into
their cell phone and see real time and our dispatch center was able to walk them out of the woods because it was starting to get dark. But that whole uh system, our rapid SOS system, radio functions um and the hookup with the Bvard County Clerk's Office, these are
daily functions. So, it's not just picking up the phone and um dispatching a police officer or a firefighter. Um, and then this one's probably the the neatest thing. Every Christmas, Heather
organizes uh Secret Santa uh in the police department, but in addition handwrites Christmas notes to every employee in the building. not just every officer, not just every dispatcher, but every employee because she wants to make
sure they get a handwritten note. Um, Heather Queen is the epitome of amazing person. And when you have an amazing individual and you put them in a 911 center, you have an amazing 911 center. And uh, so this award is so uh,
deserving and we are so proud of you, Heather. Thank you very much for everything you do. [Applause] I just want to say I'm nothing without the people that support me and my squad
is amazing and I love them to death. So, thank you guys. [Applause] Sorry. [Applause]
Yes, sir. The next item is the president's gold volunteer service award and council member Mscoso will acknowledge Miss Addison Mayor for volunteering 397 hours to the community and present her with the president's gold volunteer service award certificate
and pin. Thank you. Thank you uh city manager member Mosao. Thank you. So this is my first time giving out an award and it's an honor to give it to Addison. So today we get to recognize someone very special. Um Addison is only 11 years
old, which is amazing, but she's already done some amazing things for our community. She has volunteered 397 hours helping others. That's a lot of time for anyone, but especially for an 11-year-old. Because of her hard work and her kindness, she has earned the
President's Gold Volunteer Service Award, not just once, four times. That's amazing. and she's working towards a total of 4,000 volunteer hours. So, this award is a big deal. It's given to people who have spent a whole year or
more just helping the community. And if there is a chance to help, Addison is there. And I've been witness to see it. I've met her outside at so many functions picking up trash or just being with the community. So, Addison, I'd like to call you down and give you this award.
[Applause] I asked her to share a little bit how what she did to get 397 hours. Come up to the mic. Um, I shop and deliver uh food from
Second Harvest Food Bank and I deliver it to Oh, and um and I deliver it to um Emma Jewel, which is a charter school. Um, I help the Little Black Book Drive collect and
give out books at events. Um, and I work with Fight for Zero, um, to pick up trash along the Indian River Lagoon. And I adopted my own area in the Merit Island refuge. Um, I also work at the kids zone at Space Coast Pride every
year. Thank you. Mom, you want a picture? She obviously doesn't have a cell phone cuz she's volunteering too much. She does. All right.
Thank you very much. City Manager. Yes, sir. The next item is a proclamation for the Historic Preservation Month, and the mayor will present a proclamation to the Historic Prevention Board proclaiming the month of May 2025 as Historic Prevention Month.
Official proclamation from the city of Titusville, Florida. Whereas during the month of May 2025, the residents and vi visitors of Titus of Florida come together to celebrate the importance of preserving historic resources and recognizing their
value to the local community. And whereas Preservation Month originated as National Preservation Week in 1973 and was expanded by the National Trust for Historic Preservation in 2005 to encompass the entire month of
May, creating a greater opportunity to honor the rich and diverse heritage found throughout our nation's cities and states. And whereas historic preservation serves as a powerful tool for managing growth, revitalizing neighborhoods, fostering civic pride,
and maintaining the unique character of communities, all while enhancing quality of life. And whereas preserving historic neighborhoods and architectural landmarks has proven beneficial for the city of Titusville by offering financial incentives, boosting the local economy,
attracting tourism, and generating interest in the city's cultural and architectural heritage. And whereas across the country, local preservation organizations, state historical societies, and civic and business groups commemorate preservation month through
events that celebrate historic sites, promote heritage, tourism, and highlight the social and economic value of preservation. And whereas the theme of the Titusville Historic Preservation Board's annual historic preservation workshop on May 22nd, 2025 was
Joinerville and beyond memorializing and celebrating Titusville's AfricanAmerican history, highlighting efforts to promote local historic designations within the city. And now therefore, I, Andrew Connors, by the authority vested in me as mayor of the city of Titusville,
Florida, do hereby proclaim the month of May as historic preservation month in the city of Titusville, Florida, and urge citizens, businesses, and organizations to join me in this special observance signed Andrew Connor's, mayor. Thank you, uh, Mr. Abate. Now,
the question I I have is who am I giving this to? Like who? Miss Tony, are you the only one from the Historic Preservation Board here tonight? Just you? All right, council. You want to join me? Yeah. [Applause]
I'm a representative. [Applause] I'd just like to say to those of you who did not make it to our May workshop, Joinerville and Beyond is a very exciting project. It is history, but we are moving forward now too with a
another project to further define the Joinerville area. So stay tuned for our historic moments. Thank you, Miss Tony. City Manager. Yes, sir. Next item is a Marine Resources Council low impact living
presentation and Dr. Laura Wilson, executive director of the Marine Resources Council, will provide a presentation on protecting the Indian River Lagoon with low impact living. Thank you. Thank you so much for having us here today and getting to share our
message with you. So, just as a brief introduction, maybe there we go. Um, of who we are. So, I'm Laura Wilson and I'm originally from Atlanta, but my journey actually as a scientist um and as an environmentalist starts here on the east coast of Florida. I grew up coming down
here during the summers. My dad and I would get up early, go sharks tooth hunting, and that was really my first love of the ocean, of ocean creatures, um and and being a a marine biologist. And I'm a Florida boy, one of the few uh
these days, born and raised in Orlando, and this was the closest place for my family to come for free beach and free fishing and free fun. So, um I have a lot of memories growing up on the water, particularly this body of water, and uh am passionate about protecting it for
lots of folks down the road. If you're not familiar with Marine Resources Council, we are a environmental nonprofit that is um all about protecting and uh restoring the Indian River Lagoon system and really the entire 2,000 plus square mile
wershed. And we do that through three parts of science, education, and advocacy. Since 1991, we've been running a a lagoonwide citizen science program collecting water quality data and reporting it to the state. We do
shoreline restoration. We run the largest licensed mangrove nursery in the state and provide mangroves not just to the lagoon um but all of our shorelines here in Florida. Uh we do a lot of education and advocacy both um all the way in our
communities and with other stakeholders. So last summer we actually held our 21st action assembly modeled in the American Assembly style um bringing together people to talk about the problems as well as solutions. And one of the things that we've been doing since 2016 is
producing an annual Indian River Lagoon report. We used to call it the report card. We did a little bit of rebranding this year because we've launched it as a digital dashboard on our website reporting overall lagoon basin health. everything from wastewater spills to
seaggrass coverage to water quality. And I'm not going to go into the details of that report too much, but I do want to talk about the main sources of pollution that we have in the lagoon. So, one of the things that we see on this screen, those bright colors, the reds and the
orange, those are bad. That means that we have really high level of some uh specific tor uh types of pollutants in our water, mainly nitrogen and phosphorus. And these come from runoff on land. These are the most comical chemicals that we find within our
fertilizers. Another source of pollution for the Indian River Lagoon, which is really interesting to think about, is fresh water. While it's essential for us, the lagoon is an estuary, meaning it's a mix of both salt and fresh water with a very delicate balance. and all of
the rain water washing immediately into the lagoon impacts that balance hurts the clams, the oysters, the seagrass. So both of these sources of pollutants come from land. And this is really where MRC's most recently
launched our newest education and advocacy initiative called low impact living. So it plays on low impact development, the responsible um de site development of keeping rain water where it falls, but then really stretches it so it's not just a industry problem.
It's not just a municipal problem, but really helps everybody find their vision in themselves as part of the solution from a kid, a family all the way up to elected officials. Within low impact living, we have four different
pillars that we look at. Maybe there we go. Um with educating, empowering, advocating, and demonstrating. Educating in the first one. This is really straightforward. This is the same messaging that we've been doing um for decades, all of the
governmental and uh nonprofit agencies of how to um beneficially use land, take care of our gardens, take care of our uh storm water, um fertilizer free summers, things like that. Um, one of the things that came out of our last action
assembly was discussions of how do we reach the people that we're not reaching, which is a really hard question to answer. Um, so we're taking a multi-prong approach and really trying to push forward things like social media and multimedia approach from short videos to infographics to get images um,
and messages across. And something else that's been really really um positively re uh received by members of the public have been our low impact living checklists. And we have these all the way from kids and families up to businesses um renters HOAs. And again,
part of that helping everybody see themselves as part of the solution and taking little actionable steps that don't impact either their their finances or their time. The second pillar is empowering and this is working with community organizations
and giving them the resources to advocate for themselves. A big place where this has really taken off is working with HOAs and condo associations. So everything from educating them on types of shorelines, the pros and the cons and the costs of a
seaw wall versus a living shoreline and everything in between. talking about retention ponds and the the benefits of putting in a a buffer zone to reduce the amount of nitrogens and phosphates that end up in their storm water ponds. Uh with the goal of eventually um creating
kind of an LI or green storm water template for HOAs to use across the region and we have a couple of great partners who have taken up work on this with us. The third pillar is advocating, which is what we're here
today about. And this is working with um the governments and the municipalities of um maybe there we go of uh advocating from change again through uh talking about how municipalities can get
involved in uh low impact development and green storm water infrastructure. Okay, here we go. And this is where Chris is going to take over. This clicker's gone. She's stealing my thunder, but we'll just leave it there. Um, so we work with municipalities,
developers, engineers, and try and help figure out how do we get this stuff done? And I think it's really critical for municipalities because point one, pipes, they probably been in the ground for a long, long time, and they were built to service a certain size, number of people, impervious area. What's happening? growth, yet those pipes are
staying the same size. The result of that is we're asking pipes to do things they were never designed to do. And you start to see some flooding, right? We see that in our neighborhoods. So, people always say, "We can fix that. Let's make the pipes bigger." Great idea, except I used to play in these things as a kid. And now they look like
this when the clicker comes. Um, essentially, these outballs are buried underwater now. And the computer's a little slow. Here we go. And so, the water doesn't have anywhere to go. So, I don't care how big you make those pipes. If the water can't get out, that's not solving any problems. And so green storm water infrastructure essentially says,
let's capture water where it lands, hang on to it, and let's keep it out of the pipes, right? And that does some great stuff for you as municipalities. Number one, it's going to help mitigate flash flooding. It's going to make your pipes work better because you're not putting as much water in them. It's going to keep those nutrients out of the lagoon. If the nutrients never get into the
pipes, they're never going to go into the lagoon. It reduces pressure on you to clean other people's runoff. When developers do this, that water that's on their sites not coming into your public system. Now it's not your problem anymore, which is great when development does that adds tax revenue. Let's talk
money. You don't get paid a lot of money for big ponds, but if we can make that pond go away and give more builders more developable land, more tax revenue. And ultimately, I think it enhances urban corridors. And I'll show you an example of that. But when you think about where flooding happen, why is flooding
happening? Um, rainfall. 80% of rainfall events in the state are less than one inch. 90% are less than an inch and a half. And what that means is if green infrastructure captures that first bit of rain and keeps it out of the pipes, we keep the dirtiest water out of the lagoon and we make your system work
better with an average rainfall. Old historic neighborhoods, kind of hard to see here, but think about some of these areas in your community. No drains for huge areas. So, it takes that water a long time to get to those two little storm water drains. Green infrastructure adds a whole bunch of ways to get water
off these streets without having to dig up streets. This is a really cool project in Cocoa Beach. They implemented all kinds of neat green infrastructure assets, but the coolest thing about this project, I think, is they really made the city a more fun place to be. Tons of different activities that happen now in
this main corridor of Cocoa Beach. And what you can't see underground is a massive storage tank that holds water before it discharges into pipes. This was the old and it goes up and down this corridor. Businesses look there first, right? You're bringing in more people to
spend more money. And oh, by the way, it looks better. And all those little gardens in those parking areas are now drainage basins. No pipes. 97% of the water that hits the ground now in this area does not go into the in River Lagoon and the area is a much better
place for it. So, just some examples of that and I'll turn it back over to Laura. One of the places that we'd like to showcase these success stories, these project stories, is through our annual low impact development conference that we hold in the fall. We'll be holding it this fall at the end of October um down
in Rock Ledge. And it's a great place. We bring together municipalities, uh government agencies, developers, and engineers. Um this year we're really focusing on completed projects to talk about what's already been done in the region that we can showcase and learn
from. And then our last uh pillar of low impact living is demonstrating. So while we have these showcases on the municipal level, um we're also leveraging properties that MRC owns or manages to
showcase how homeowners HOAs can implement a lot of these low impact living techniques in their own communities. Everything from shoreline restoration that we do to getting rid of invasives and treating land and replanting natives. Um, we house our
large mangrove nursery, but really in Palm Bay, that's our showcase at the Lagoon House. Uh, we're right between US1 and the lagoon. So, we deal with a lot of storm water right there. And we have everything from floating wetlands and buffers around our retention ponds,
rain gardens, uh, showing how to put natives into landscape, uh, rain barrels and the whole kitten kaboodleoodle. Um, and so we're really happy with how things are going with low impact living and are hoping to reach more both community members as well as municipalities to talk about not just
the good that this can do for the lagoon, but also for our own communities as well. Uh, we welcome you to reach out to either Chris or myself at any point with you or your staff if you have any questions or want to learn anything else. Thank you for your time. Thank you, Dr. Wilson. Does anybody have any
questions? Vice Mayor Cole, my question is, do are there any grants available to assist the city in funding some of these projects? The cities, yes. So, there is um funding from uh Sorrel is one place. Um the Department of Environmental
Protection, D. Um we're still waiting on the final budget from the legislature. um depending on which budget gets passed, anywhere from zero to 100 million coming specifically towards the Indian River Lagoon, that really gets
filtered through m municipalities. Um the harder place to find funding is for homeowners, but municipalities do have um good sources. So, as a city, we would apply for some of those grants or would we would we talk with you to find out when the grants are available? You are
welcome to contact me um and I can get you all the information you need. Okay. Yeah. that the the project I showed for uh Minute Man Causeway in city hook beach that was funded through a grant program. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. Member Nelson. I have to say that project really impressed me.
But question, how much was it? How big is the tank? That's a those are two great questions that I'm not going to say off the top of my head, but I can get that information to you in terms of overall cost and then overall water. That the project itself was studied by the Department of Environmental Protection. So they actually have
documentation to show that 97% reduction in flow to the lagoon. Yeah. Because that place flooded. Yeah. Every time it rained. Like I said, it's it's fun to go down there when they throw all the big parties and have their art festivals and stuff like that. So I think that's the bigger thing for communities is you really don't realize the hidden benefit
of redoing some areas like that that that can really be fiscally good for the community. Thank you. It was 5.2 million. 5.2 too. Knew it was going to be expensive. So, yeah. So, I'll get back to you on the storage. Okay. How
much storage? Yeah. But I'll get back to I know the answer to that and I'll get back to you on that. I'm going hold you to it. Yes, ma'am. Thank you, Member Nelson. Member Stokl. Yes. Um, it seems like there's probably better strategies depending on
the certain area. So that was a great, you know, strategy for downtown Cocoa Beach because where are you going to put a pond for all the water to go there? Um, so do you guys have a list of strategies which like where it may be good for? So, and I'm asking this because for us, um, we are getting a lot
of projects and we're consistently bringing up flooding concerns and that's one of my biggest concerns that I have as we get, you know, applications for different land use change or different zoning. And I know we have some practices that we've implemented here with low impact development. Part of my
concern with it though um has been and I I get it from that side, but cluster homes and housing. So you're having these houses almost on top of each other. So they're I would argue their quality of life may be, you know, not the best if their neighbors right, you
know, 10 feet set back. Um but then you have the benefit of that is all this open space um that helps for you know the water to go. So I I was just curious on your opinion of that as we're facing you know different applications coming in different development. We're trying to push commercial. We're getting a lot
of applications for housing. Um so yeah I just wanted to hear your thoughts. Well I know y'all have incentives for tree canopies within communities and that's huge. A tree canopy alone will stop 15 to 35% of rain water from ever hitting the land. um you know a live oak
can hold 10,000 gallons of water um versus your St. Augustine grass is going to flood after an inch of rain. So that policy of the tree canopies that goes a lot longer for water storage for flooding and resilience than a single
palm tree in a yard to hit some sort of target. So I think you're definitely on the right track with that. regarding different techniques for either different size types of land. That's something that I know Chris and his team are working on. Um, and we're putting a little bit of input into different
techniques that can be used at different scales, um, and what uses kind of engineered infrastructure versus nature-based solution. Um, and then one things I've talked with Titusville staff about as well, um, is coming up with green infrastructure maps, um, which I
know that y'all are starting to work on, I think, out of your office, uh, to showcase where projects are being done, where they've been completed, so that we can start saying what works in different corridors, whether you're right on the lagoon, whether you're off, whether you're dealing with retention pond, new
development or redevelopment. And last question, are what you guys are coming up with, are they uh strategies to prepare and equip municipalities for planning purposes for like the hundredyear storm or even more so? Um trying if there's like a 500year storm
or potential. Yeah. Um you to go back to your previous question, everything is every place is different, every goal is different. So um we worked with actually some of your engineers of the city here to install the tree wells, the tree boxes that are out here along the city. that was our company that helped with that and provided those. So, really
small space, really great example of what you can do with some a different kind of practice, but everywhere is a little bit different. So, um when you look at retrofitting or kind of fixing some old drainage issues, I think green infrastructure is a great solution for some big huge communities like you talked about, some of the strategies are
a bit different, but we do have a menu that kind of shows what those things are, kind of where they go, um that we can kind of help direct that. And ultimately like our what we do what we try and help folks with is look at a place look at an area look at a problem and say what would be some things that we can do here what does it cost what's
it going to take to maintain it do we are those assets in place I mean it's really a lot of different things that go into that but that's something that we collectively can help doing including the funding component we've got great partners that do that stuff too so okay y oh sorry last question do you have a
date for the conference in October um October 20 uh 29th and 30th so we're not interfering with Halloween, which was a mandate for my son. Um, and then, uh, we're looking to do a field trip, a half-day field trip, actually on the day
before, so the 28th. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, member. So, I just have one question for you. Who has the highest adoption rate of low impact development in Bard County? Y'all, thank you.
I just knew the answer already. So, thank you very much, member Nelson. So, can I ask another trick question? So, how is our seaggrass doing? So, how's the seaggrass doing? It depends on where you look. Um, the biggest growth that we
saw in seaggrass coverage in 2024 was in the southern part of Mosquito Lagoon. Um, that seaggrass is still there. The problems are the northern part of the Mosquito Lagoon and the northern part of Indian River Lagoon, so here is dealing with algae. Um, and so there's some
algae blooms and fish kills going on already. But the the um southern mosquito lagoon that's shallow enough that it the water's still clear enough that that seaggrass is stable. Um, and seaggrass seems to actually be doing better in the southern part of the
lagoon. So I've seen it in the central lagoon, so around like the Palm Bay Melbourne for the first time in a while. Um, and then we're starting to see actually a lot more in the southern lagoon, so around like where St. Lucy Inlet comes in. Um, so it really depends on where you look. This is a big, so St.
John's River Water Management District is doing their big two-year survey this year. So we'll have really good maps of seaggrass coverage by the end of the summer. Great. Thank you. Thank you all very much. Thank you guys. City manager.
[Applause] So the last item is the uh flash vote public input presentation and the city recently contracted with flash vote to conduct random scientific surveys. These surveys will sol solicit input directly
from Titusville citizens allowing the city council to make data-driven decisions. Jeff Sereni will provide a flash vote will provide a 15minute overview of the process. Okay. Uh, good evening. Uh, city council,
mayor. 10 years since I've been able to say this. City manager. Um, uh, Tom just mentioned some of the stuff that I was going to do in our presentation, but uh, we'll get on with this real quick because the gentlemen are on our Zoom meeting. Last time we
did a survey, we had to fly the guy in. Times have changed. They're zooming in. So, as you know, we contracted with Flash Vote. Um, and recently I've been working with uh Jeff Serene and we developed a actual survey. We were going
to put a sample survey in here, but uh public works or Kevin Cook had some questions about amenities to put into a park. So, we structured it just as if we're putting this particular survey out, which can be done if we want to. Not if I want to, if you guys do. Um, it
was included in this packet and your 6:30 packet. And just a little background real quick, these guys are waiting to speak to you. Uh 1999, the then city manager had me do a survey. They didn't have a budget to do one, so I had to do
it myself and figure it all out. And uh it it wasn't too bad, but of course, it was non-scientific. And that's that's what you need, a survey. And then in the early 2000s, we did a phone survey through a company in South Florida. That was really labor intensive. And that's
back when people still had landlines. Uh then later on we contracted with National Citizen Survey who's still currently um affiliated with ICMA and we did mail out surveys and we did I think maybe three of them over the years and it was a lot of interest in it
especially by the local cities and they they contracted with them. Um anyway um so this flash is a modern tool. It does simple surveys. I'm looking at the methodology of this and I think it's fantastic. I really do. We haven't done our survey
yet, but just the way it works and the simplicity and you can drill right down to what you're looking for because I I don't know if you've ever u you know dealt with a company on line on on the phone and they do a really good job but then there's that well you stay on the line for a survey and all of a sudden
you're you're answering 15 questions and you want to say good things about them but eventually you're I got to go and this avoids that. It's it's a great it's a great tool. Um I miss another one there. Okay. So, they're they're waiting to do their
presentation and uh as soon as they put them up, we'll we'll listen to what they have to say. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Can you guys hear us? Can hear you. Yeah. All right. We got you.
Excellent. Thanks, Jim. So, uh, I'm, uh, as, as Jim mentioned, I'm Kevin Lions. I'm a co-founder of Flash Vote and a chief survey nerd, if you will. And Jeff is head of our customer success, and we've been working with Jim getting, uh, getting a nice panel going for you guys.
So, these are regular representative people in Titusville who are willing to give a minute every few months to give you input on important issues. And uh it sounds like we'll probably start with a park survey, but it could be anything. And I will uh I'll just give you a quick
overview of of why flash vote exists and then happy to answer any and all of your questions. Uh of course. So if you if you think about the challenge in Let me know if you can see my screen by the way. Do you have the screen? Yes.
Excellent. All right. All right. If you think about the challenge of of public input in general, and I've been a a public official for 11 years on a county advisory board, you know, you have the meetings, people come to you, they email you, and all that stuff. Uh when you
think about the sentiment of that input, like what you hear, what the slice of the universe that you get is, you might wonder, geez, how often does that input that comes in from all those different channels, online questionnaires, social media, meetings, everything. How often
does that match the whole community sentiment, the true community sentiment? Uh feel free to take a guess if anyone wants to throw out a number. We can have some fun with it. Council 20 25%. 10% 25%. 10%. Okay, you guys are good.
That's why we're working with you. Very exciting. So, um you know, a lot of council members will guess a lot higher. Actually, you guys are right in the zone. So, 5% of the time we found look comparing our scientific surveys to to what people are hearing and thinking,
right? 5% of the time we found it's a match. So, that's the same side of the sentiment and the same amount. 25% of the time it's the same side, but it's it feels like a bigger group than the actual group is in the community. So any
of those answers from zero to 30, you know, five to 30% are correct. And that leaves the big challenge, which is 70% of the time the sentiment you get from the input is actually the opposite of what your whole community wants. And you only know that if you have the data to
show you, the scientific data. And so that's what we do. That's the problem we solve for you. Uh, and I can jump to how it works. Assuming you guys are you guys are already good with that. So that's awesome. So the idea with flash vote is what if we could get you that information in the time between a
meeting notice and the meeting itself. That was kind of our crazy engineering idea. We don't recommend using it that way of course. But what we ended up with was a system where we could once we had the panel built again which we've been working on with Jim doing a great job on that. I think he's up to 666 people
already confirmed users. Um once that's set up, we can go from an idea to a survey to survey results in a week or two typically and from launch to results is 48 hours and people get to see the results and they love you for
that more than anything else. It feels like they're part of a thing that's happening and and uh it's transformative for trust building. So I mentioned the approach is uh we do some random sample surveys occasionally but the bulk and the better data is actually from a local survey panel. So,
we get regular people, invite them to join, and it's really hard when you think about, hey, how am I going to get people to take surveys? Wait, even worse, how are we going to get people to just sign up to take surveys? And so, it took a lot of user testing, like almost two years, 18 months of hardcore
testing. And so, we've come up with the language that you guys have been using and pushing out and putting your own spin on it. Uh, any channel you have is going to be a way to get people to participate. We will also be doing some SMS messages, some random selection of
people in Titusville and sending them invitations as well to uh adjust the panel, balance it a little better, stuff like that. And uh when we sign up, we capture demographics. So we get some basic demographics. We get an address
and with that information we don't have to ask any of those questions in any surveys which is as Jim was saying earlier the key to making the surveys short which is the key to getting a really high response rate when people receive the surveys. So that's the
that's the nuts and bolts of the mechanics. Uh, probably the most important thing is that we work with you to design, tailor, really dial in the questions so that they're really high quality, tailored to what residents know, not
asking about things they don't know, making them really readable, unbiased, concise, complete, like all these 23 points of quality control that make the questions really easy to read, take, and respond to accurately. So we don't use words like zero escaping which
I had to look up the first time I heard it. So u at the end of the day you're thinking about tradeoffs. You want more of this and less of this or more of this other thing and less of this other thing. And when you think about getting that inside of
people's heads, you have aggregated across the whole community a great picture of how to serve the community really well, make everyone as happy as possible, and uh you know, just just have the confidence that you're making the right decisions. Once the survey is set up, we
handle everything else. So, we collect all the data. People can participate by email, by text. We have phone call people. I know we've always uh signed people up u who want to be phone only users in Titusville and that's that's it. You get the data.
Uh just to give you a little bit on the scientific panel approach, we actually pioneered that almost 12 years ago now with a very uh in a community of 10,000 people. So how do you get a a a large number of hundreds of people in a small
community? Since then national firms have switched to that. And to give you one example, Pew Research, within four years, they switched most of their national research and their national polling to a panel because it's just a higher response rate and a better sample of people in general. And now we've
grown to 35 states including Florida. Lots of uh great surveys already happening in Florida and we're excited for yours. In a nutshell, if you think about this new tool you have, this new superpower you have to know what the community wants. Um, you know, like as I mentioned, we can go from requests to a
survey in one to two weeks. Longer's fine, too. If you want to plan ahead, uh, do one every month or two, that's great. We're here for the expert survey design, the drafting, the editing, the quality control, really to make sure we can dial in and get exactly the data
that's going to be most helpful your for your decision- making. It's only 48 hours from the time we schedule the launch to the time that the survey is done. And we've gotten a really high percentage of people that participate. think 40 to 70% typically in that window. And at the end of the day, each
survey is designed looking forward to the data you're going to need. So when it comes in, you have the actionable data and defensible data for the decisions that you might have to make that might be um might feel controversial. So we try to eliminate that too. Uh I'll pause there for questions and I can show you even
examples if if that would be helpful. So back to Thank you very much, sir. Uh, when they said this was going to be by Zoom, I was just like, how's that gonna work? But I would say that that worked pretty pretty darn well. So, thank you. No, great. Thank you. Council have any questions? Member Stokel? Yes. And I
think you're going to cover some examples, but I was wondering if after the meeting if you would be able to email over some examples of some good surveys that you've seen have success in other municipalities to give us some ideas as we're starting this process. I would appreciate that. Of course. Yeah.
And I'll let Jeff say a few words about that. That's something we we really uh love helping you with. Y great. Yeah. Uh Jim, if you can hear, if you could just send over those email addresses, we'll send over a few
different styles of surveys uh that we do. Uh we have some surveys that are more designed just for general information, not necessarily a hot topic in mind. And then we also have department specific. So think uh senior
center, parks, uh budgeting th those type of surveys. And then we also do some hot topic uh surveys. So when Kevin was talking about those trade-offs or hard decisions, really building uh a survey, you know, around giving you some
data to help with decision- making uh you know, from a representative sample of the community. So I'll send over three buckets of samples for you. Thank you, sir. remember uh Nelson, I have a question. I did surveys when I was in
college years ago. Uh but it was always how do you how do you make sure it's random? I mean, it's like people talk to well all of us all the time, but we end
up with the same people talking to us. Um, and nothing against them, but how do I know what the people who aren't talking to us want? So, how do how do we make sure this is random?
Yeah, it's a it's a great question. So, you know, in the old days, there was a really great way to make sure it was random, which was you actually like randomly dialed phone numbers, right? In the old days, say 20 25 years ago. And back then you could do that and 60% of
people 6 might answer. And so you're getting a good sample of responses from within your perfectly random sample which as you obviously recall then that's kind of the ideal best model for getting a sample of people that look
like the people not taking the survey. That's the key. So, you want the people taking the survey to look as close as possible just like the people not taking the survey. Um, and so what's changed since then is if you had to guess, you know, the response rate on random digit
dial, well, it's going to be a lot lower than 60%. In fact, think of it as like 1% essentially. And so now I may have a perfectly random selection of phone numbers or people, but if only 1% of them are responding, there's a big opportunity for those
people to, you know, hey, do you have five minutes to take the recycling survey? No. Boom. Right? Or, oh, heck yeah, I got a lot to say about that. Right? So now you've introduced that self- selection problem where the people taking the survey are looking different from the people hanging up and not
taking the survey as well as the people not getting the phone call. So the trick is to do the the sampling without any bait, without any topic. You don't want to really attract people based on specific topics. You want to track
people based on like a a basic level of very simple one minute of community spirit. And so by doing that and then looking at other variables like demographics, we can see uh what we have. And because we're actually doing decision support for you and not just
like a political poll where we're trying to do all these fudge factors and come up with one number that's going to predict one number, uh we actually show you the subset category. So we'll show you men and women separately or different parts of town so you can see are there differences which is really
cool. So instead of kind of averaging stuff away to make a a randomlooking sample, we actually show you those subsamples that can be really interesting to see if you're equitably serving, you know, different parts of town, different groups and so on with stuff. So long answer, but hopefully
that's helpful. So when you first go in, um this is basically people just responding to you. So when we're building the panel, yeah, we're we're basically uh doing outreach, kind of the broad outreach. So this is
kind of like, hey, everyone has a chance to participate. And then we follow that up where we have a database of everyone that lives in Titusville, a political database, and then we randomly select people from that to invite them also. Okay? It's a combination of of efforts
to get to the best sample we can get. And of course, no sample's perfect, but um that's the approach that that works the best. Today, I read your questions and I do have one suggestion for the
questions and that was basically um how how much how many times are people going to this particular park that we're talking about? Because to me, I was sort of
like, if if I have this survey and I check, check check, but I'm never going to use a park, I'm never going to go to the park. Um, I'm not sure that their answers are quite as valid as somebody
who goes to the park who plans on using the park. Does that make sense? Absolutely. Yeah. So there's a um there's an approach that we use for stuff like that. We're actually doing this just now pretty much a very similar survey in Naples, Florida
where you can think of different buckets of people. So we want to have the input, but for a particular decision, you might apply a certain filter like the one you mentioned. You might want to know, hey, what are the people who are most likely to use the park compared to the medium
likely compared to the least likely? And that information can be really helpful um in a lot of scenarios. That's just a park scenario, but yeah, we often will set up a Q1, a first question with that kind of a filter. And so that's that's something that might apply in this case by the time we we're done with the
survey. If I may, um Jeff and I worked on a question and uh it was his suggestion to put it in there. Have you been to a park in the last 12 months? So you can kind of separate the people that go to the park and versus Yep. I thought about that. Age filters are also really
useful for that because you might look at that peak age group which in your case probably 35 to 50 parents ages with kids of different ages and so on. So yeah, good question. Thank you, Member Nelson. Member Mscoso. Sure. Um good evening. So we are a city of around
50,000 and I think we only have 270 signed up and so um I'm proud that we've gotten to that number but I want to make sure that we are increasing. So what would be an ideal number? I mean obviously 50,000 would be great but uh what would be a good number to get a
beneficial result so that we can feel like we have a good percentage of people weighing in on these issues. Yeah. So that is that's probably the most popular week question we get is like what percentage of people do we hear from in our do we need to hear from in our
community? And this is where um I spent a lot of time with M&M's and figuring out how to explain it because it's weird. It makes no sense honestly at first pass. You're like, "Wait a minute, our community is way bigger or way smaller. How come we don't have a different number?" It just turns out that if you want to know within plus or
minus 10% of the true population, you need 96 people responding. So, you're already past the number that'll get you that. Our sweet spot, as we tell people, is really 200 to 600 responses. And here's a simple way to think about it.
We're actually estimating percentages in the community. And those don't depend on the size of the community. So if I want to know how many green M&M's are in a bag, if the bag has a thousand M&M's or 10
million M&M's, the percentage of green is still whatever it is. And so by pulling out M&M's and looking at them, I can estimate a percentages. So the answer is actually no matter what size of your community, you can think of 200 to 600 responses as being great. Like that's plus or - 7 to plus or -4. It'll
tell you, you know, was this a priority or is this uh and 100's actually surprisingly good as well. Thank you. Stokel. Yes. Um okay. Okay. And just to clarify a couple things that I think I picked up
on. As people are signing up, they're are you're already collecting the demographic questions. So when they get the survey, they don't need to say their name, where they live, their gender, all that stuff that's already captured. So I think that's going to be a plus for
this. Um I think to me remember Nelson's point with the park thing. I was thinking that too, but then I started to think that question one kind of indirectly asks them, you know, do you frequently visit parks? And this park is not a park yet. So, it's hard to say
yes, I've visited this park. So, that was one thing um because you do want to keep the surveys short if we want to get respondents. And then lastly, I think to the randomization, I do think that's difficult to do, but um I believe we're
putting this out in the water bill as well. So, I think as a city, there are things that we can do to make sure we're not just hand selecting and telling our friends about it and making sure we're getting this group over here and spreading it only for social media users, but really trying to do our best to truly capture as many citizens as we
can. Will it be perfect? No. But I feel like just thinking about the things that we've done in the past, I'm really excited about this just to have a larger sample size to really kind of see the pulse of what our citizens are thinking and as we're facing things, I really
appreciate the turnaround time. So, as something might come up, we can say, "Hey, this might be a good opportunity. Let's go ahead and, you know, push out a survey." And it seems relatively quick from what I'm hearing. So, um, just wanted to clarify a few of those things. Yeah, that's Yeah. One thing he didn't
mention uh that number we're talking about 2 to 600 that's the same thing they use for a national survey you know millions of people that's the same number they reach and regards to the randomness we used uh two newspapers one
of them I've been writing a half page in for probably 20 years so old style two newspapers we used uh social media the same social media we've been using for years and um we use talking points. So that's pretty random. And then like
Sarah said, I think it's this week it'll show up in people's water bill. So for four cycles that'll hit the whole city. So it's pretty random. I mentioned early on. Go ahead. Oh, sorry Jim. I was going to say we're Jim's currently in the process of building the panel. So that
number is just where we're at right now. And he's done a fantastic job pulling a lot of different levers uh to reach the entire community. So, uh, I'll be, you know, curious to see a lot more people will be added by his efforts. So, well, thank you very much, guys. Thank you,
Mr. Jim. And, um, yeah, appreciate you. One, one last comment. I got to pat ourselves on the back. Um, I think Jeff told me that, uh, normally it takes about 58 days for people to reach the level we got to, and we did it in less than 30 days. So,
yeah. Thank you. Stuff's working. Good to put some numbers on that. Yeah, you're doing a great job. Look forward to your surveys. Thanks everyone. Appreciate it for having us. Thank you. Great. Thank you, Jim. All right. Uh public
comment for the first meeting and we still got another meeting that starts at 6:30. Uh my name is Stan Johnson, 860 Poinsetta Avenue. I sent an email to everybody uh right these people on May
the 21st about uh uh what has happened uh in the election process between Mr. Connors and Mrs. Conklin. And so I sent sent an email and uh it was on May the 20th that I first saw the sign that is
of dispute. By the way, Kevin Rosa is a fairly good friend of mine. He was my instructor for kite kite surfing. How well did I kite kite surfing? Horrible. But anyhow, uh that's not his fault. Um so uh I sent this
email and it has five items by uh Mr. that about this issue and five and four of them are illegal activities of our mayor Connors. So I don't have any response from you but uh so the these
four items are number one is that um when you dig holes in the uh rightway you're supposed to have utility locates. It's illegal not to have utility locates and my understanding as Mr. Rosa explained to
me is you and he had a post hole digger and were digging holes in the rightway. That's illegal. Uh, number two, two is that uh, uh, I'm not sure about this one, make me wrong, but, uh, you put sign on the public library property. That may be okay. I could be wrong on
that. Number three is, u uh, the sign, which the first time I saw it was May the 20th. Somebody showed it to me. Um, that, uh, it shows the ownership is is not very legible and too small of a print for being legal. So, that was
illegal. And number four is that um uh let's see number four is uh uh well the ownership of the sign I said was was not legal and the uh uh so uh but okay let me stop there
and then then the the other issue was the the nature of the sign was showing that she was a a u a Democrat. and where she's a Republican and to some people that is like calling you a donkey or a jackass when you're a Democrat. So,
she's very offended and and and uh and a number of people believe that you won this election because of being dishonest. That last item was not illegal, but but uh having her picture and as explained, she's a Democrat was
dirty poly ticking, not illegal. But the other items that I mentioned are illegal. So, I'm looking for your response to those those issues. Thank you. I appreciate your time. Thank you very much, sir. I'm waiting for your response. Thank you. Okay. Maybe I'll get a
response someday. Thank you. Hi there, Dr. Kathleen. Um I just wanted to talk briefly about the flask vote that I heard because um some of the questions particularly the representatives of the sample. Now I don't know all the methodology
um I don't really care how good the questions are right now. The real key thing is people just volunteering to sign up for this because that's a very serious bias called volunteer bias. It even has its own name. And I was just thinking boy I've got a group of people
here that have a lot of opinions about what we do. Maybe we should all just sign up and then we can direct the survey. Um, so I'm I'm a little concerned about the way that people are being collected. When we did our survey on housing here, we used the um email
addresses. It was not perfect, but we also had no money. Um, we use the email addresses and we sent an email to everybody for whom they were on the voter registration list and we had an email address and we um contacted people
repeatedly to try to get the opinions of the people. It we ended up with a 13% response rate which is phenomenally good for an internet survey. Um, I I would not be comfortable having people self- select to fill out this survey. That
does not sound like good methodology to me at all. They can get the numbers up, no problem. But the numbers are not going to tell you what the people in Titusphere really think. So if you want to talk to me about this at some point, I have some expertise in this area.
Thank you. Hi guys. I'll be super brief. Um I sent a lot of you a message recently about mountain bike trails in Titusville. So my name is Jason Miller. Um, I'm an avid cyclist, uh, especially with mountain biking. I'm involved with it throughout the state as part of a youth mountain biking league. Um, and I actually
noticed on my way up one of the signs out there I hadn't seen before. It labels Titusville as a cycller's paradise. So, we have a lot of great cycling out here, but one of the huge things that we're missing is mountain bike trails. So, I've identified a couple of city properties that I think have potential for mountain bike trails.
Of course, there's probably things that I don't know about them that um might hinder that, but I'm just here to ask for the council support um and the ability to work with city staff to identify some of those properties and hopefully in future develop some of those mountain bike trails uh to really
make this a true cycling paradise. Thank you very much, Miss We can bring it up when we get to the next meeting. Thank you. Anybody else for public comment for this first meeting? Seeing none, um can I have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjourn. Thank you. We're
adjourned. We're going to take a 10-minute recess and then we'll start the regular city council meeting at uh 6:40. Thank you.