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section shall be construed to limit or restrict a person's right created by the Constitution, law, ordinance, or regulation. Good evening everyone. I want to welcome you to the city of Titusville City Council regular meeting September 9th, 2025 at 6:30. Call this meeting to
order. And now I'd like to welcome uh Pastor Jeremy from Faith Baptist Church to give the invocation. Thank you. Let's pray. Father, thank you so much for the privilege that we have to come together this evening to do business for this great city, Titusville. We thank you for this town.
Thank you for the blessing that has been to us and to our families. We understand Lord that we are your servants tonight and we have gathered to do your work. I pray for these who are uh seated in front of me, these seated behind me. Lord, I pray that in all things tonight, we would honor you. Give us wisdom so
that what is said and done here will bring glory to your name. Lord, we really are grateful that you have made us for these very days. And I pray that our children will come up behind us and we'll speak of the things that we have done here and that they will recognize
that what was done here was done for your glory. I thank you so much most of all for your son Jesus. We know that you sent him to be the savior. I pray that everyone here would know Jesus and that they would receive him for their very own savior. We pray Lord that tonight that you would bless this meeting. In
the name of Jesus we pray. Amen. Amen. Thank you very much pastor. Can you please stand for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the republic for it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much. I'd just like to make note that Vice Mayor Cole is really gung-ho today because he got us all off cadence with that pledge of allegiance. Sorry about that.
I'm just giving you our time. All right. Um, city attorney, do we have a quorum? Yes, mayor, we do. All right, city manager. And there are no minutes to approve. Moving on to item five, special presentations.
We have a presentation by the marketing alliance on marketing, public relations, and communication strategy for the economic development department. An action item is scheduled under the consent agenda later on. No action is requested for
this presentation. Thank you, city manager. Good evening. How are you? I believe I'm on. Thank you for uh having me back. My name is David Pedar. I've been in front of you maybe three times now. The first was uh earning your
business and now today it's sharing all the good work that we've done over the last year. I believe you're voting on our marketing plan, set of marketing plans tonight. But uh before you do that, I want to show you a little bit of what we've accomplished in just a few short months, probably about 11 months or so. Uh but know that as I'm I'm
driving up here, I'm trying to think what do I want to convey tonight? And I want to convey just a real gratitude to have the opportunity to tell your story. I think it's really important for us to understand the value proposition of Titusville, to understand the nuance of Titusville, to make sure that we're being responsible and not only thinking about the businesses that are here that
we need to expand, but the type of companies that we want to bring here and be very intentional. I heard that from you on this last visit, is creating tools to tell the story of Titusville, uh, but do so in a way that's really responsible, that really understands your value proposition and measurable, too. So, I appreciate the chance to uh
be in front of you today and answer any questions you might have at the end of my conversation. All right. So, the beginning we put forth what I think is some of the best marketing planning work that our company's done and we've did so on a branding and messaging front, a public relations front and a social media
front. I believe you have the document from Nicholas Ga who sent you that material as a PDF. I believe it's about 55 pages long. And in that document, we define the value proposition, the messaging, who we want to reach, how we measure success, uh potential tactics.
It's a very robust document. It's a three-year plan that should get broken out into additional work plans. Uh I'm very proud of that piece and uh it'll be something that'll inspire Nicholas and the broader team to help market this region uh for some time to come.
Uh in that marketing strategy, we define the target audiences. And this work is really uh not just about recruiting companies but helping companies here have tools to expand, recruiting new talent, new residents and new tourism. We identified some strategic industries in that plan including aerospace, real
estate, talking about nature and tourism, helping recruit u workforce and also talking about just the infrastructure and the connectivity of this wonderful place. One thing that we did, although we were just charged to come up with the plan, was to begin to equip equip Nicholas and
the broader team with a toolbox of uh materials that he can use to help uh not only keep businesses here, but help expand businesses and attract new companies here. U so these business material uh business m business development materials are focused on workforce again that infrastructure
piece, the real estate offering as far as your business parks and your commercial real estate. uh an industry highlight in aerospace and defense talking about the tourism opportunities as well as just a general business attraction piece. Uh these pieces can also fit in a pocket folder again using
that very vibrant logo that you guys have invested in in the past which I was a little worried at the beginning if it felt a little bit tooism but with that other photography I think it really pops as a colorful vibrant positive uh business development story.
This is very hard to see, but hopefully you've seen it uh on your computers a little closer. But part of our process of developing a new website is first understanding the user experience of a website. Uh our company, as you know, has been in business for 20 uh 22 years, I'm sorry, 24 years. We've worked in 29
states and 450 communities. And in that time, we've understood how someone processes an economic development website really from left to right to really understand how to tell the story in a way that's most efficient, most compelling. So this is called a wireframe document. We worked with your partner Civic Plus to help create the
structure of the site. Uh below that wireframe is all the content that will live on the homepage. But it really starts with understanding how to tell the story. Not just what the story is, but how to tell the story in a way that's very easy for someone, whether you're a site selector or a company or someone who wants to come here for the
first time, how to understand what Titusville is really about. This is a mockup of kind of the look and feel of where the homepage is going as well as a Figma file we call that on the right to shows just kind of the real estate of the website. But again, really intentional in building this product for
you to be uh not only a great message but be easy to understand and compelling and dynamic. We've been in the market three times now shooting drone videography and photography. I was actually here last week uh with the with the wonderful host of the Valiant Air Command Museum with
some gentlemen here. We we shot some testimonials in the museum uh and had a great few days capturing the stories of success with your business leaders as well as Linda Weatherman at your regional EDO partner um talent partners partners from NASA from industry u had a
really good couple days of hearing stories of success in the community and those stories will be the ones that bring the Titusville story to life. We're working on a working on a dynamic mapping system. What's interesting about Titusville is that you guys have really restricted airspace near your airport where a lot of your properties are. And
it's very hard to fly a drone that close to the airport. So, we're doing some very unique uh interactive maps and illustrated maps to tell the story of opportunity, not just the the parcels that are available, but proximity to nearby employers, the two bridges over to the Space Coast, your education
partners, uh quality of life features. We're launching a social media campaign when the website launches which is tracking toward the end of this month. These will be very vibrant and colorful and these will be mostly on LinkedIn some Facebook but to reach the business decision maker and the site selector will be on uh LinkedIn mostly. These are
just general examples. They're not fully completed but you can get a little idea of the flavor and tone of the work. We're also going to be launching a targeting targeted advertising campaign in three site selection publications uh as well as some newsletters. Uh those will be digital ads as well as print
ads. We don't like doing a ton of print ads because they're hard to measure whether someone like did something with that ad. So the digital marketing executions will allow us to see who's come to the website, what pages they've visited, how long they were on the website, and we can see if we were successful. And if we're not successful immediately, we can modify the campaign.
who can create new creative to pull more visitation to the website. We've worked with Nicholas and the broader team on a conference strategy to make sure that he's attending the right type of conferences that are related to your targeted industries, how to best use those um uh uh conferences to meet
with the right type of businesses, what followup looks like. It's it's very important that if Titusville is represented at these conferences that they're really done well and it's a return on your investment. And then the next step is uh really looking for year two. We've done the
foundational work of the plan which you've looked at and you'll vote on tonight. We've done the tools and the toolbox that Nicholas and the broader team need. Now we need to put the gas pedal down. And not gas pedal in the sense that we're just going to be just, you know, flooring it for the sake of flooring it. But as we do know the
message, we know what's resonating with site selectors and companies. uh we want to be very strategic and smart in in telling that story through digital marketing, social media, uh maybe a lead generation campaign and some other tactics. And I believe that is it for me. So I'm happy to answer any questions
now or later during your agenda item. Thank you very much. Member Stokl. Yes. Thank you. Uh two quick questions. Great presentation. I like the branding. I like the consistency. Um, with the website and the social media, will those be on our current website and on our
utilizing our current social media names on like Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn or you doing a separate? The website will be part of your Civic Plus city site. Okay. So, it'll be kind of a department experience within the city site. We'll also have a custom URL that will track someone directly to that
part of your website. Okay. Okay. So, someone can find it through your city site or they can find it through that vanity URL. As far as the um social media channels, I believe they're part of the city's perfect domain. We recognize that we have to be, you know, very good about Sunshine Law
and make sure that everything is tracked and recorded. So, I'll follow up for sure, but I'm 95%. No, I think that would be great. And especially as we're trying to beef those up and make them uh, you know, more engaging and marketing and branding ourselves as a city. I think this just adds to it. So,
well done. And I think Nicholas's group will tell the economic development story and then we'll work with your PIO to weave in Nicholas's story into the broader city story. So, there'll be kind of two ways to tell that. Um I I call the legs of the stool. You know, like Nicholas has economic development platform and he has
the four legs of economic development or your city might have 16 legs talking about fire and police and else. One of those legs will be economic development. We'll make sure we're working with your PI PIO to get that content. No. which I think is great and that I think that's something we're trying to do when we're trying to be more transparent and engaging and so sharing
this piece I think is just adding to that. So I appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. Thank you, Member Stokel. I did have a quick question maybe for the city manager. Does the city have a LinkedIn page? So yeah, what type of a page does the city have a LinkedIn page?
I believe so. Okay. I'm not on LinkedIn. I have to check on that though, but I believe we do. we do because I know that's a big part of the overarching strategy. So, figured I'd ask that question. And then also in terms of budget, city manager, how much are we allocating for uh in this
proposed upcoming 2026 budget for marketing uh specifically with economic development? You know, I don't have that number of hand preps. Brad, I didn't bring my budget with me either, so I apologize. I was just wondering because uh you know, while we have you here, wanted to figure out what you
think the best uh ad spend would be I mean I know you're going to say you know $10 million but realistically bang for buck where do you see the most uh leverage? Well we're going to allocate I believe about 50,000 for the uh digital marketing campaign that I talked about
those four publications. I would think you'd want to spend between another 60 or 80 in year two. Uh we had 89,500 I believe for the first year. So I think we could scale it back a touch but I think to be competitive compared to your neighboring counties we do work for St. John's County. We hope to win Klay
County. We do work uh hopefully soon in Fort Myers. We just got Okachobee. So, we do a lot of work in Florida and we know what your peers are spending. I think you want to be at 80 80ish for a year uh and then go from there. But I'd like to present that more package with Nicholas. You can see where that money goes.
Thank you very much. And I think we did keep it flat from last year to this year if I remember correctly. It was like 89 in 2025 and 89 in 2026. Am I correct? I believe so. But we have to verify. Yeah. So, I appreciate that information. City council, do you have any other
questions? Seeing none, thank you very much for your time, sir. City manager, next item is nanobubble technology presentation and a representative from Molair Incorporated will give a presentation on nanobubble
technology and no action is requested. Thank you, city manager. You have the floor, sir. Mayor, city council, city manager. Thank you for having me today. Um, we we put together a a short presentation here on who our company is,
uh, some of our experience and then what we've contemplated for a solution here to improve water quality uh, in the Indian River Lagoon uh, at Titusville Molier. We're a Los Angeles-based company. Don't hold it against me. Um, but, uh, we have about 100 people in the
company. We're only 9 years old, but we have over 4,000 installations in 55 countries with about 700 of those in natural water bodies. I've been with the company 5 years. I'm our global director for the surface water program and uh while we are a widget manufacturer, a
nanobubble generator, we're really we're a 100 person company and about 15 to 20% of them are really environmental scientists. They're experts in the applications we work. My team is headed by the technical group is headed by Dr. Dvot, former adviser to the United Nations, our government and the
Singapore government. Then we have a Harvard educated liinologist who develops monitoring plans to quantify the impacts and benefits that we bring in water bodies. Nobody here uh went to school learning what a nanobbubble generator is. So let me just give you a little bit of a a background in it. So
it's really whether it's floating on the surface on a barge of a water body or it's on shore. It has three basic parts and they work the same way whether it's floating or on the shore. It's pumping water, taking the water out of the water body and putting it right back in. So, it's a recirculation pump. That's not a
pump we invented. We just use industryleading pumps. Two, there's an air system in that. That air system in some cases could can be as simple as an air compressor. But in other cases, especially in challenging water quality, that also usually has an oxygen concentrator that just separates the
nitrogen out of the air and makes a more pure form of oxygen. You probably have that equipment in a hospital that's a regional hospital nearby. Then the third piece on that gas system that we we uh also utilize is an ozone generator. We're partnered with a Bvard County,
we're proud to partner with a Bvard County manufacturer, Pinnacle Ozone, Chuck Smith, the CEO of Pinnacle Ozone in the crowd right here. Um, so we take that air and it goes into the third piece, the piece that we invented that we have over a dozen patents on and dozens more pending, a nanobubble
generator that's not down in the water body, but it's actually off the pump. As the water is running through that device, the air is getting injected into it and that air is then dissolved into the water. And two, it's making these tiny bubbles the size of a bacteria.
A billion and of a billion of them in the tip of your finger. That size is really important. When you put these bubbles in water, they act fundamentally different than like other aation systems that you may have in your county or in your city parks or that you might uh uh be more familiar with where those
bubbles start on the bottom and then they rise to the top. These bubbles because of that size lack buoyancy and they have a strong negative charge. What that allows you to do is take that dissolved gas combined with these tiny bubbles and treat large areas of a water
body from a single treatment point and not just improve the aerobic condition of the water itself, but most importantly at the bottom of the water body. Call it the sediment water interface. That's where a lot of the bad things that are contributing to your poor water quality are happening because
of not having oxygen at that level. Let's dive into a couple case studies here. one Satellite Beach um city of Satellite Beach owns one of our smaller units. We used to sell our equipment um through lake management companies. We've now turned uh to selling more of them
directly um to and then focusing on larger projects. But this is in satellite beach where we improve the water quality of a canal. And then by improving that aerobic condition, the amount of oxygen in the water. Then that the bacteria that's already in the water
body consume or aerobically decompose the muck that's on the bottom. Therefore reducing that oxygen demand further and allowing to keep that oxic at the bottom, stopping the nutrients from coming out of the bottom of the water body that then are feeding cyanobacteria.
that cyanobacteria is when that when there's no oxygen that phosphorus is getting pumped from the bottom feeding that cyanobacteria and that decreases the water quality and water clarity. So by making by satellite beach and putting this system in they improve their water
clarity by stopping those nutrients from coming from the bottom therefore improving the water clarity. That water clarity isn't just pretty, but what it is is actually then allows more light to penetrate and you get a more natural ecosystem to flourish. All the things in
the food web, the things the bugs that eat the algae, the minnows then that eat that eat those bugs and then the predator fish that come and eat those. And so it really not only improves the beauty of the water, but it in improves the food web as itself.
another private golf club in Florida. Uh picture is worth a thousand words, so that's why we included that one. Pretty dramatic picture of before and after. Now, I'm going to switch to uh the second largest lake in California, 3,300 acres, received 6.5 million gallons of
waste water a day, otherwise it'd evaporate. This lake has spent tens of millions of dollars studying their problem, and they installed the narration system back in 2006. Yet, five out of the last seven years before they installed our systems, the lake was
closed because of poor water quality. And not just poor water quality, but toxins that are being released by this toxic algae. They purchased one system uh for a 3,300 acre lake. They took their 30-year average of water clarity
that was 8 in and in 60 days improved it to 12 feet. 8 in to 12 feet in 60 days. while they're receiving six and a half million gallons of waste water a day. This is all data that's that's been gathered by thirdparty consultants uh that advise
this that advise the city of Lake Elsenor. Based on those results uh dramatic results in reduc or improving water clarity, reducing cyanobacteria and then reducing cifforms they purchased two more systems that were installed. Those systems showed up on a
semi on a Monday and were running by Friday floating on barges in the lake about a mile away from the nearest treatment point in this 3,300 acre lake. They have record dissolved oxygen levels in the bottom of the lake and throughout the lake. Be glad to send you a letter
recommendation um and the contact information for that city to show that it works in lots of different environments. I have a one included here from Minnesota where a larger lake was feeding into a smaller lake. This watershed group was interested in treating several lakes
that were thousands of acres. But again, this system had one larger lake full of cyanobacteria and toxins that were feeding into a bottom lake where all the kids fished. They deployed one system was there for about 90 days. In that 90 days, they doubled their water clarity.
They reduced their uh uh phosphorus levels. And then more than anything, uh not just reducing that cyanobacteria, but they also improved their food web throughout the entire water body. Here's one in uh Wisconsin where we reduced a foot of muck in 75 days by treating a
marina in a 900 acre marina. Here's one in South Africa that reads tens of mil that gets tens of millions of gallons of wastewater untreated raw sewage a day. They deployed one system in this 6,000 acre lake where this water the sewage
was coming in. Dramatic improvement in water clarity and then uh the redu the ability they improve the resiliency of the water body to be able to handle those contaminants coming in. The why it works isn't specific to moly air. That's the way water bodies work. You go to the
university and you study environmental science or liinology. This is what you get taught that when you have an oxic condition, you have oxygen at the bottom of a water body. And by stopping that those nutrients from coming out of the bottom and improving water clarity, you
gain a more resilient system. The why it works isn't specific to us. What's specific to Molier is the ability to treat a large area from a single treatment point and have how these little bubbles can catalyze biological, chemical, and physical interactions in
the water to then bring an outsized benefit. So, what we've contemplated and looked at for the Indian River Lagoon is to install one system floating on a barge similar that you saw in Lake Elsenor. System would run about 4,500 gallons a
minute. to have about 100 pounds of hour 100 pounds an hour of oxygen being injected in and then with a variable dose of ozone to be able to help mitigate caulifform reduction and help um degrade organics as well. We've uh our team has uh developed this solution,
this prescription based on the bethimemetry, how deep it is, how the water flows and moves, wind fetch, all being considered. And so we haven't exactly identified a a exact point, but a range within the city of where this
this system could get installed. What would need need to happen is is the system would get built at a boat ramp. Usually takes about a week to get these off the semi and and include and put into the water body, pushed into place. There's big spuds that go down from that
barge as you can see sitting up there. And it acts like a floating dock and so it can handle inclement weather, hurricanes. It can handle variable water depth. It's two sea containers that are housing this system. Easily maintained, but that's just put into place. you connect
it with power and it's running that that same week or the next. Some schematics and and uh um pictures of what the inside of the containers would look like. That's how it was installed there at Lake Elsenor. A picture of the intake screens which keep
animals and uh um a Noah compliant intake screen which keeps animals and delletterious materials from getting into it. There's a picture of those spuds. types of barges like that are used commonly in the area. Typically, it's an excavator sitting on it um when it's doing like a bridge work or
something like that. The expectation of results would be within the first weeks to months improved oxygen levels and resilience of the water body called it the OP the oxidative reduction potential of the
water body improved water clarity reduced fecal bacteria levels and then after months you'd see reduced blue green algae that comes with that improved water clarity you'd see measurable result improvements in the oxygen levels throughout the entire
water column, but specifically at the bottom, you'd see a reduction in the muck on the bottom, the accumulated organics that's robbing the bottom of the water body of the oxygen, and then it's constantly causing these nutrients to come out of the bottom. And so, we'd
see a dramatic reduction in the uh uh organic sediments that are on the bottom. And then reduce total cifform levels in installations all across the world. We've reduced caulifform levels uh within days to weeks. Most importantly, we did a project uh
permitted by the Army Corps of Engineers in a 16-mi canal in Los Angeles, which was the largest storm water environmental incident in the United States history. We deployed within 48 hours to deploy 50,000 gallons a minute of nanobubble generators. Thousands of
people were taken out of their homes. The stench was so bad and toxic at the cost of the county. We brought those people back in under a month when it was estimated it would take months to years by the Army Corps of Engineers. Now don't we don't just uh rely on
subjective analysis of of how it works. Um but instead we develop really robust monitoring plans and collaborate with local stakeholders including FD who just awarded a $2 million grant to the city of Winter Park for a system to be installed on Lake Virginia. I did a
presentation to their water group this morning. Here's a letter of recommendation from the city of Lake Elsenor. After purchasing one system, they were so happy they wrote this letter and then uh they purchased two other systems. So, what I'm proposing is is to be able to contemplate and look at
a solution to be able to improve water quality and resiliency of the Indian River Lagoon to dramatically improve that recreation and usability of that water body and the safety of that water body to naturally degrade contaminants and things that are robbing that water body of staying resilient and working
over time to have measurable results and to collaborate with local stakeholders including FD and any other regulatory bodies who commonly permit our applications and to bring peace of mind to the citizens of Titusville to be able to go and use their water body and fully
recreate in it and to have that for their children. I'd be glad to take any questions. Thank you very much for your presentation. Member Nelson, you make me wish I'd paid more attention than science.
So, I'm very impressed with it. So, question although it sounds like There's no harm to the environment from this. Correct. And are is the proposal just to do
Scobby Park and then expand outward? Yeah, we're what we're looking at right now is is to get a uh initial installation in the Indian River Lagoon to show the improvement in one area and the ability to impact a large area from a single treatment point and then to
look at how to scale that greater through the Indian River Lagoon. So what kind of permits are required? Yeah, typically it's an FD permit. Um and then there may be an Army Corps of Engineers permit, but we are working on the exact permits uh that would be
needed right now. And I can come back to you with a full comprehensive list. But we we permit this these applications around the world and we've never encountered a scenario where we were not able to get a permit. It's just what's required, what monitoring plan, and then um who's responsible for what.
Okay. and time frame for permits. Time frame for permits. Um, so we're working with a municipality uh just to the south and um we're working through permits there and the regulatory agency we're working with there said it would take 30 days. Now I think that's
potentially a little optimistic. Um but it's their lowest level permit that they issue is where our technology would fall. And so it's actually just a procedural permit. turn in the paperwork. As long as it has the all of the drawings and and information that they're requesting, then it's just um
pay the fee and and uh get the permit. Okay. You're working with Winter Park. Excuse me. You're working with Winter Park. I'm sorry. Winter Park. Winter Park. Winter Park. Yes, we are. Lake Virginia. Yes. Uh Lake Virginia. Yes, we are. So, have you permitting? We're working
on permitting. There's a meeting with FD next week. Okay. Do you know have an idea when that project would start? Yeah, we're uh uh because that's a part of the innovation grant, it takes a little longer to get things done, but it looks like it's going to be early uh
late first quarter, early second quarter next year. Okay. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. Thank you for your questions. Thank you, Member Nelson. Member Mscoso. Thank you. I have um just a few questions. So, what are the upfront on ongoing costs to deploy and maintain this kind of device? Yeah, great
question. Um, so the upfront cost in a system like this is about $2.5 million. And uh the upkeep of it, it's electricity and then some service plans. We have a local provider as far as that takes care of uh the most maintenance intensive part of the system. The air
compressor of all things is the most maintenance intensive, but being partnered with Pinnacle Ozone uh here in Bvard County allows us that as well as there's local um manufacturer support for that. And so the ongoing operating cost is electricity and then some service costs. My estimation right now
would be it'd be about $150 to $200,000 a year. And then the initial 2 million you said? Yeah. Two two to$2.5 million. Okay. And then um so I signed up I went on to your website and signed up and saw all the projects that you've done. Um
but you know the Indian River Lagoon is extremely special. It's it's a huge body of water and so um have you had any pilot projects or any evidence uh for the use in brackish water? We have. Yeah. So we have two divisions that work specifically in ocean
environments. Uh our subsidiary based in Norway and Chile work with the largest fish producers in the world in uh open pen um fish production in the ocean. And so we have significant experience there. that that uh project that I um uh that I spoke about in Los Angeles County, that
was a brackish uh title um uh stormwater canal that's connected to the Pacific Ocean. So that was brackish as well. But we probably we have dozens of projects in surface water that are in brackish or marine environments. Um as well as in city of Cape Town in South Africa, we
have one as uh as well that's that's a brackish project. But and then our our aquaculture division working in marine environments every day. Okay. Thank you. Actually, it works better when there's a little bit of salinity in the water because the salt ions allow you to uh dissolve the gas even more efficiently
and make more nanobubbles. Thank you. Yeah, good question. Thank you. Thank you, Member Mscoso. Member Stokal. Yes. Uh my two questions actually relate to those two questions that were just asked. So, um, what is it? My first one is what is it that you're asking from us
right now in terms of cost or anything? Uh, I'm asking for consideration to be able to, uh, uh, work with us to look at the plan and, uh, to see if this is something that the community would be interested in and then to work on a collaborative funding um, approach to be
able to fund the project. Okay. So just right now it seems like time for discovery to see what would be feasible potentially and then maybe this would be something we would seek out grant funds for state appropriation for. Okay, that's right. Um and then uh the second one would be
the lagoon does seem significantly larger than what you guys have done in the past just looking at the acreage that you showed in your presentation. Do you would this be more of an experiment to see if this could work in this particular body of water with the large scale of it or do you know for certain
that it would work? Where are you in that point um with what you guys do? Yeah, good question. So, um the size of this isn't that large. Um the entire lagoon yes that's large. Uh but we work in parts of the ocean. The systems that
you've seen deployed here are not our largest systems. uh we don't try to put the largest system out there and and just guess. We um so what we contemplated here was the primary area of impact would be um somewhere between 500 and a,000 acres for one system um to
be able to treat in this area and then to be able to look uh to measure and quantify the impacts and how far that is spreading and then to look at what subsequently we would need to deploy uh to be able to continue that treatment. Okay. And I think that's I we are doing
a lot I think for our portion of the lagoon and then there's others that are and I think that's right it's something that we would want maybe the entire state to get on board with so we're not you know investing a lot and then other people are starting to impact. So I think that's kind of where my mind is going with that. So okay thank you.
Yeah 100% agree on that on that approach. Thank you. Member Snoke Vice Mayor Cole you mentioned that it's uh it runs off electricity. Is it directly wired or is it a generator that you use on board? Yeah, it's directly wired from shore.
So, all of the So, you run underground underwater cables to it or is it correct? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But this wouldn't need to be very far offshore. Um the reason to put it on the floating barge is to allow for some variability in water depth and then so you don't have to do a lot of sight work
and it makes it for a really easy installation. um uh is is the primary reason to sit on a barge, but it doesn't need to be out in the middle of the lagoon. Uh your depth profile here in the lagoon uh kind of in the area that we're looking is actually suitable where it wouldn't have to be very far out and
so that power cable wouldn't be very far and your footprint wouldn't be that high because it I mean, you know, we do get hurricanes in very high winds. So, have you experienced that type of environment before where you may have up to 90 100 mph winds coming in on it? Yeah, we we
have been in environments where there have been high winds like that. Hurricane we I don't know of our systems here. We probably have 50 small systems all throughout Florida. Um uh and some have fa Well, all of them have been through hurricanes, some making it just
fine and some getting flooded. Um the reason to have this on the floating barge would allow it to then not get flooded. um and those big uh spuds that you saw um pushing down, that's what allows it to really um sit uh be able to maintain in those kind of conditions.
But we would we would work with uh the engineers uh to be able to um ensure that that was uh as secure as possible. Thank you. When when you were giving your presentation, I thought I was in an environmental engineering class. I almost went to sleep. No. Okay.
Uh thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. Uh I would just like to piggyback off on a couple things that the discussion and the questions were. Uh first of all, thank you for the presentation. Uh I had an opportunity to sit on a webinar with
you and Laurel Lee and and kind of going through a lot of these things which it sounds to me like Laurely I'm not speaking out of term but you're pretty supportive of this idea. Correct. Absolutely. All right. Thank you. I was just checking to make sure you're awake. Um
and uh one of the first case studies on the screen was the city of South Beach. So about 10 days ago, I was driving through South Beach and I was like, "Well, let me give their mayor a call." And so I I called up their mayor and and asked him about um the experiment, if
you want to call it that, in one of their man-made canals that doesn't get a whole lot of water or circulation moving through it. and he said that, you know, there was a noticeable difference between that canal that was treated with this type of technology versus the other canals. I mean, I know results may vary,
but, you know, that that seemed to to be pretty positive. Uh, member Stokal, to to your point about how this lagoon is not just Titusville's responsibility, it's everybody's. I get that. Um, however, I would just caution you that I don't think any state appropriations
dollars will be given for a project like this because they've already as a legislator earmarked a bunch of money for the lagoon. Um, so I think we need to, if we were going to explore this idea, not only have um the folks at Molair work with our uh engineers that
know what they're talking about, uh, kind of work together on on a possible plan and seek out other funding and grant opportunities either through FD, through the innovation grant that was mentioned, and through Sorrel. Uh, I can tell you that the current cash balance on hand for the Indian River Lagoon Fund
is $428 million. I think they have some money that they could potentially, you know, lend out. Whether they agree to that or not, I don't know. But I think that's worth exploring. Uh so that it's not just on city of Titusville taxpayers. Uh but I
think our goal in terms of quality of life has always been very consistent uh ever since I've been paying attention living in Titusville is that the Indian River Lagoon is very very important to us and we need to explore every avenue to protect it and improve it. So with
that being said, thank you very much, sir. Yeah, thank you very much, city manager. Moving on to item six, boards and commissions. The first item is the 2025 2026
student advisory council membership appointments. And the recommended action is to confirm Mr. Male Ronstrom from the academic community enrichment uh 12th grade. Miss Trinity Johnson, academic
community enrichment 10th grade. Miss Jackie Willis, academic community enrichment 9th grade. Mr. David Spieler, Titusville High School, 9th grade. and Miss Kylie Miller, Astronaut High School, 9th grade, as members of the
2025 2026 student advisory council as nominated from their schools. Thank you very much. City manager, are any of those folks here? Yeah. Well, sir, you just fill out the card. Is anybody here to talk on this issue? City
clerk. Yes. All right. City council. Well, anybody want to make a motion to confirm these votes? Member Nelson move to confirm the formentioned people as members of the student advisory council membership.
Second. I have a motion from member Nelson, second from Vice Mayor Cole. Any further discussion on this item from council? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much, city manager.
Item 6B is the planning and zoning commission semianual report and the planning and zoning commission has submitted a semianual written report that is included in your agenda packet and no action is requested. Thank you very much. City clerk, is
there any cards on this? All righty. City council, you have anything about that? Seeing none. All right. Now we're to the petitions and requests from the public non-aggenda items. Miss Laurley Laurely Thompson 3550 Irwin Avenue Mims.
So everybody saw how clear the lagoon was three even two months ago and I mean we had water clarity that like we haven't seen in years and the fishing was better in Mosquito Lagoon. Seagrass is coming back. Well now we have an algae bloom. I
I I was been going down to the Rotary Pier and just marveling at the seaggrass bed that's growing right there at Rotary Pier. You can't see the bottom in 12 inches of water. Now, um I water test up at Beacon 42 boat ramp every every
Saturday and as the algae blooms, you know, got worse and worse and worse, there were there's usually 20 or 30 trucks and trailers up there on a Saturday morning and and the fishing was really really good, but then the algae bloom came and every week there's less.
And so last Saturday when I was up there, there were two trucks and trailers and I I talked to the kayakers that had been out fishing. They didn't catch anything. So the fish have left. So we got an algae bloom going on. We have a muck problem. This technology
could be a gamecher for the Indian River Lagoon. An absolute gamecher. And if it does reduce the the the bad stuff that's on the bottom of the lagoon um for uh much lower cost than mechanical dredging
and a le much less environmental impact than mechanical dredging it. There's no telling how wonderful it could be. So Titusville has the opportunity to be the test thing. You know, it could be us. We
I'm really excited about this project. I can hardly stand it, you know. Um, but I'm trying to be calm. This is a huge opportunity for us to really, really look good and clear the water up, you know, around, you know, right there at
Scobby Bark and along the bridge, along the causeway, along the shoreline going south, all those homeowners that have these little pockets of muck in front of their docks and stuff, all all that potentially could be cleaned up. And I
don't know how long this algae bloom is going to last. It's it's already been going on for probably 3 months in Mosquito Lagoon, but it came through Hallover Canal and went into the north end of the lagoon and now it's moving south. Um it could it could last it could last for a long
long time. But with this technology, if another algae bloom comes, you would have you'd have the ability to get rid of the algae bloom. So, I encourage you, this is a really good opportunity for Titusville to shine and get something really, really positive done for the
lagoon and if it works, it could be a gamecher for the lagoon and we would be at the forefront. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Lurley. And to piggyback on that, um my conversations with Dr. Fox at FIT, who is the leading lagoon
researcher, says the biggest problem is lack of oxygen. So, kind of makes sense. But anybody else for petitions or requests from the public non-aggenda items? I'm not seeing any. Mr. Mayor, yes. I have three cards that did not put an
item on their card that may want to speak under this section. Um, the first one is Robert. Not sure the last name, but it's a gentleman sitting right here. I'm sorry. Is there a particular item you wanted to speak on, sir?
Mr. Robert, what item on the agenda did you want to speak on? What agenda item did you want to speak on? I can't understand. I'm hearing what agenda item did you want to speak on?
American flag. Okay, that would be here. Okay. Well, you can Yeah. All right. Thank you. You can take the podium and let us know what you think. My name is Robert Wilson.
I preside at Swamp Lake Estates here off of South Street and I'm here right now in regard to the display of the American flag, primarily at the fire department right across the street. I've stopped there at least in the last two months
five times trying to get somebody the idea that the flag is displayed the wrong way. They've got the American flag on the right side and I don't know what kind of flags on the left side and it should be the American flag should be on the left side facing the looking at from
the observer's point of view as it states right in those seats but nobody had done anything about it and I talked to the flag committee and she said Gilchrist Gail Gilchrist and she stated that she was uh give an email but she
didn't respond back to me. So either whoever's got the authority to held the fire department to display the flag, right? That's what I'm here for. Thank you very much, sir, for coming in. City manager, can you look into that?
Yes, sir. I'll take that for action. Thank you. All right, we'll get on it. That's all. Yep, that's it. Appreciate you. City clerk. Um, I have a card for Barbara Evans. Hello everyone. Um, I'm Barbara Evans, 1534 Riverside
Drive, Titusville. I'm a third generation Floridaian and I've been a resident of Titusville since 1960. I'm here to honor I'm here to honor my late husband's e legacy and the concerned citizens of
Titusville's legacy. My husband John Hank Evans was a champion for Titusville, a wellrespected attorney, a Canaveral Port Authority Commissioner and Titusville Man of the Year. He founded the original Save Our Beach in 1980
because in 1980 NASA wanted us off the beach permanently for the space shuttle. The town rallied in full force and we obviously won. But now once again our access is threatened. So now the new
Save Our Beach group needs your help. We feel our quality of life and property values will be diminished if our beach is taken. Just like in Bokeh Chica, Texas. I don't know if you guys have researched anything that's going on there. It's not pretty. Those citizens
are miserable and they're suing and for many reasons they're they're upset and we fear that could be us. Even Vanderberg um recently said no more Starlink late launches. H what's that about? This
rocket is 44 stories tall, has a sonic boom 10 times louder than anything we've experienced, and the FAA said it would affect 82% of the residents, and it would shut down even more airspace to the airlines, i.e. the tourists, many of
whom are coming to play Linda. Even the port authority doesn't want it here. And here is a copy of their letter, John Murray of Now, um, so this is what I think is the most
compelling solution. 10 years ago, the FAA said no action was to be taken on the SpaceX request to build the launch pad at Shiloh on the Merida Island refuge, not very far from where they want to
expand. Now, this location is no different as far as the impact on the environment. They're just so close, and it will have the same concerns and problems. So, it should be the same
decision that the FA made before. A precedent has been set. As far as I'm concerned, we were led to believe that we were going to have our beach and now it's it's like um double jeopardy or something. Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, Hank and our huge groups, Save Our
Beach, got the existing Beach Road built in 1990. I have four albums of press clippings. It was an amazing effort. Senator Bill Nelson helped us Evans. Miss Evans, I'm sorry. I got to stop you. I got to give everybody the same amount of time. Oh my gosh. I've never done this before. I didn't.
It's all right. I definitely I have a very important question though at the very bottom. May I ask that please? Uh, I can not give you more time. Only council can. So, hold on, Miss Evans. Hold on. Can we give uh Miss Evans another 15 seconds or 30?
I have a motion. Second. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. Okay. Thank you. So, I just got to follow the rules. Sorry, Miss Evans. Okay, real fast. The city council before wholeheartedly publicly supported our cause. We don't have a Hank to represent
us anymore, so we need a new hero, and it should be you, the current council. Now, my question is, who represented the city of Titusville at the FAA meetings? Thank you, Miss Evans.
No answer, member Nelson. Well, let me say this. I hate the idea of losing our beaches. And I do have a problem with the
spaceships and that huge sonic boom. I live on the river. So do I. It scares the heck out of my poor cat. Probably probably every all the animals scares the heck out of me. Um
and I can see as I would ask council to consider writing a letter of concern um regarding this matter. Thank you very much, Miss Member Nelson. Thank you very much. Okay, but you will not answer my question. I'm pretty sure
who represented I I emailed you and asked you the question and you didn't respond and now you're not responding in public. I think the public needs a right to know who represented Titusville at this important juncture of our future. Okay, I'll video it and then you'll,
won't you? Well, thank you, Mr. Parish. Who was at the FAA meeting? We did have uh a couple of staff members from our department attend uh the first public meeting they had uh last week. Uh that was economic development director
Nicholas Gao and um sustainability planner Lily Galo. Thank you. Did anybody on council attend? Okay, so at least we cleared that up. Member Mscoso. Yeah, I mean I I do think that a video was put out from the city
of Titusville saying that we were in discussion with SpaceX and NASA and the FAA. And so I was also curious who's in discussion. Um mayor, you put that video out. So who's in discussion? Well, our city staff was at the the meeting, right?
Well, we have an official seat at the table with the FAA and NASA only related to historic preservation. the EIS or the environmental um impact statement study that the uh FAA is doing
uh requires a federal re part of the federal review requires a historic preservation component and because the city has uh several resources that are on the national historic list. We are part of that um review. So they consult with us. We're a consulting party
basically. So that is our official role. Uh but that is still in we're in negotiations with them with other uh consulting parties on an agreement of monitoring certain historic structures in the area not just Titus a large area
as far as impact from the starship but beyond that there's no other official um relationship that we have with in this project. Thank you. Yeah, I was just curious because in the mayor's minute it says working closely with SpaceX, NASA, FAA,
state agency on launch safety and beach access communication. So, we're not doing those things about beach access. I It was news to me because I'm not in communication. So, when I hear the mayor say safe launch safety and beach access
communication, I'm curious to who is that you, Mr. Mayor? Well, our staff did when they attended that first public hearing did ask those questions and so we at the meeting from what I understand there was some clarification provided to us about those closures that that would happen two hours or two hours
after before and two hours after each of those particular launches or landings. Uh but we would have to uh meet with or ask more questions to see to get more specifics on that. Could you provide us with that information about those meetings? Sure. Thank you.
Member Stokl. Yeah, just to piggyback on that. So, at those meetings when we have staff there, do are they interested in our opinion and the county's opinion or do you get the feeling that the federal government is going to make its decision like to
member Nelson's point, could we write a letter to show and would they some I don't know because I wasn't at that meeting to see can we engage in that type of relationship? public input port uh portion of the uh study is now. I mean, I think there's another week or
two left. So, yes, this is the opportunity now to provide a letter or comment. Yeah, I think then I would be in support of us doing a letter on behalf of the citizens and the residents because I I think some of us that have lived here for a while know that when it would shut
down for the shuttle program. Um, and so if we're looking at potentially extending that, I think there's discussion about it being 60 days. I think that they just need to know a little bit about the history. Our residents use that. I don't know where the closest natural beach is. Um, so I I
would be in favor of the letter. Is that a motion? That would be a motion. This would be second. All right. So I have a motion and I have a second. Anybody from the crowd would like to speak on this particular motion
of us writing a letter? membership or member Tony Shuffalo, Miss Shuffalo, I'm gonna say miss and I said me Shuffalo um Tropic Street speaking to this a letter would be a start. I I am
afraid when people are looking at it and they're saying, "Oh, it's bringing jobs. It's bringing jobs." It's not going to bring that many jobs to begin with. And what they're talking about is at launchpad 37 on the um space center,
they're talking about 66 launches with um each the this heavy starship the the two segments will return each segment will return. So 66 launches, that's 130. You
do the math, 132 sonic booms from that. Then down at launchpad 39, which will close our beach, they're talking about is is that the one where they're talking about 44 launches, which again is going to be 88 sonic booms from the heavy
coming back and from the Starship coming back. So we're talking about not just oh it's only going to be about 60 launches so the sonic booms and yes we're participating
in monitoring our historic structures after the fact when it's already built and the booms are happening. What are they going to do when the bank building over here on Main Street, which is one of our historic structures that's being monitored, starts cracking and falling apart or
some of the older houses or or even, heaven forbid, city hall. Um, so yes, please, a letter is the bare minimum that we should be doing to save our future. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Shiflo. City clerk, just
let you know the clock was not running, but thank you, Mr. for keeping keeping it tight. All right. So, I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion from this council? All those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Uh, city clerk, I
think there was another card with no agenda item. Yes. Um, and I'm not going to try to pronounce this. It's the first name is M O S T and the last name was Okay. Okay. Would you like to speak under petitions?
I put in the writing also. So I'll give it. Thank you. Good evening to mayor and council members. Thank you for the opportunity they giving me to speak. Before I start, I would like to thank
you. I'm in touch with the planning department for the last few months. I was getting very special service. I believe someone's running the show and giving them the uh the feelings and the way to do it and have spoken before
regarding PR of the city that's doing excellent before any PR is being done. Thank you. My name is Mosha Rosenbal and I'm calling and I'm here respectfully to request the city council the city to
consider re reclarifying Tropic Street as a collector roadway. The changes will align with existing development. Traffic traffic street already supports growing residential
patterns and connects to rack pit road and south street both which are established recidas. The plus of changing of encourage of changing traffic street
as a collector roadway would encourage smart growth. A collector road dignition would allow for for modernate residential destiny density that would that's compatible
with the surrounding uses and allowing the city comprehensive planning. Additionally, Tropic Street is already paved and accessible and the change will allow the city make
it better make better use of existing in infrastructure without requiring requiring major public investment. I believe that the small adjustment can bring long-term value, enhancing
planning flexibility, creating housing opportunities, and supporting the city's tragic developing plans. I'd put up the booklets with a bit more explaining
my request and additional to that there's a traffic report that uh that had been done on the street that could uh hold it up with this. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. Uh I'm sure we'll read this and
I have a second. I really appreciate the consideration from yours and I'll be happy to hear. Thank you very much, sir. Thank you. Member Moscow. Um I'm sorry. Can I just ask a quick
question? Do you do you own the property on uh Rock Pit and Tropic Street? On Tropic Street? Um I'm a middle I'm on on under contract on uh on a lot on Tropic Street. So you are uh you are you do own a piece of property there. I
think the issue here I think we all know is that Tropic Street you can't build multif family and I do believe you've uh maybe a colleague of yours has come before and it got denied if this is the same project because of that. So I'm just not what I know of. Okay. Well, because I had been in touch with the
planning department and they wanted to change something on that lot and they had told me that the only way that could anything could be done on traffic street is just reclassifying the street. Yeah, right now you multif family is not allowed on that street unless it is
reclassified. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. All right. Anybody else for petitions or requests non-aggenda items? Seeing none, city manager, before we get into consent agenda, I just want to let
all of council know that, you know, if you want to speak in favor of an agenda item, you don't necessarily have to pull it to speak in favor when we have general discussion on the consent as a whole. Uh that'd be a good opportunity to do that. Um so that we can move move right along. City manager.
Yes, sir. We have 14 items under consent. And do any members of council wish to push to pull any of those items for further discussion? Members go. Yes. Um 8A, please. Sorry. 8A.
88. That kind of runs together where it's like 88. All right, council members. I do have some clarifying questions for consent, but I'm not going to pull any items.
So, we have one item pulled um B through M will be considering city manager. So, I will read uh items B through M for the record. Consent agenda item 8B, equipment vehicle lease purchase agreement.
Approve resolution number 15-20225 authorizing the execution and delivery of financed equipment vehicles. All subsequent equipment vehicle schedules with the Bank of America Public Capital Corporation authorizing the execution
delivery of an escrow agreement if necessary in connection with the acquisition, purchase, financing, and le leasing of certain equipment vehicles for an amount not to exceed $16 million. Authorize the mayor, city manager, and finance director to sign all relevant
documents. 8C, renewal of the city's property and casualty insurance lines of coverage. approved the renewal of all insurance lines of coverage for fiscal year 2526 at a total premium cost of 1,ion527,977.96
which is an increase from the last fiscal year's cost of 1,5053437 or a total dollar increase of $22,63489 and authorize the city manager to put in place all the necessary instruments for this renewal. Also pending the approval of the fiscal year 26 annual budget.
8D administrative services medical renewal for the effective date of October 1st, 2025 ending September 30th, 2026. approved the renewal of an administrative service fee group medical pharmacy benefit plan with Etna with a
2% change in the current medical administration and access fee pending approval of the FY26 annual budget. Item 8E, stop loss medical reinsurance coverage for the period October 1st,
2025 through September 30th, 2026. approved the renewal of medical reinsurance coverage with Sunlife to cover medical reinsurance costs at an estimated annual premium with pooling of 1,232,28052 for fiscal year 2026. This amount
represents an increase of 3.52% in specific reinsurance costs over the current year spending also pending approval of the FY26 annual budget. Item 8F, Vector Impact Sewer Cleaner turnkey maintenance and repurchase
agreement. Approve the turnkey maintenance contract and repurchase agreement with Environmental Products Group Incorporated for maintenance of the Vector Impact Sewer Cleaner in the amount of $15,800 annually for a period of five years with
a buyback amount of 71,000 after five years. Also pending approval of the fisc year 2026 annual budget 8G. Community redevelopment CRA budget amendment approve the associated budget
amendment for a total of $30,515 from utilities infrastructure and storm water infrastructure to CR2501, the Broad Street Project 88 H. Vendor of record fiscal year 26.
One, approve the use of the attached vendors determined to be the sole source, single source, original equipment manufacturer, and or proprietary purchases. Two, approve the use of state contracts, cooperative contracts, and other agency contracts
when market research dictates utilizing one of these existing contracts is in the best interest of the city. Three, approve the issuance of purchase orders and contract renewal options. Four, delegate authority to the city
manager to award VU purchases and contracts exceeding the ordinance limits subject to the appropriation of funds for fiscal year 26. Five, authorize the mayor to execute all contracts to VR exceeding 50,000 and authorize the city
manager to execute all contracts up to 50,000. Six, approve purchasing and contracting to make awards updates or changes to the VOR list resulting from competitive procurement actions conducted by other governmental agencies
for those expired contracts being used by the city. 8 I, water allocation permit for 1955 North Washington Avenue. authorized the issuance of a water supply capacity allocation permit in the amount of
11,925 gallons per day which is 2.1% of the ex excess capacity for the development located at 1955 North Washington Avenue subject to the approval of the Florida Department of Environmental Protection
permit for the installation of water and sewer infrastructures. 8J. Amendment three for the state revolving fund agreement WW050350. Approve amendment three to the state revolving fund agreement WW050250
granting additional time to complete the design project and authorize city manager to execute the agreement. K. Resolution number 16-2025 approving the temporary closure of State Road Garden Street for special events,
the Astronaut High School Homecoming Parade, October October 2nd, 2025. Approve resolution number 16-2025 approving the temporary closure of Garden Street beginning at Publix and ending at the bus compound on Dixie
Avenue on October 2nd, 2025 for the Astronaut High School homecoming parade. 8L fiscal year 2025 road reconstruction recurring project change order number two. Approve the change order number two of the fiscical year 25 road
reconstruction resurfacing project to Massie general contractors of Port Orange Beach, Florida in the amount of $338,079 for the replacement of concrete driveways adjacent to the roadway within the project area. Additionally, approve
the associated budget amendment. And finally, M employment agreement for the city attorney. Approve the employment agreement for the city attorney. Well, thank you, city manager. That was a lot to get through. I appreciate it. City clerk.
Yes, sir. I have u one card for item 8D. It's Gina with one digital. Miss Gina, did you want to talk? Okay. Thank you very much. Um council discussion. Anybody have anything they want to ask
or add? Well, I have a few questions about CDN. um just because that's more on the insurance side. Um and I have a question for Mr. Mark if you'd indulge me. Uh is the 5% deductible like on wind is that
per incident or per building? Is the 5% deductible per incident or per building? It's per building. Okay. So, and what's our what would that number be? Um well it's going to be based on the
actual replacement value of each building. We have about a hundred million in insurable assets of this or total insurable values for the city right now. So it just depends on the building itself. So roughly $5 million per building.
Well, no. You take the the replacement value. So, for example, you have a building that's worth $10,000 for say, it'd be 5% of the $10,000 for each building. So, it it just depends on how many buildings are damaged based on a
hurricane. And then it's the percentage for each building that's damaged. Some buildings will never reach that level, even in a cat 5 storm. Uh some could be totally demolished. It just depends on how the wind affects it and what the total
damage is for that building. Exactly. And I can kind of think that replacement value today's dollars is much more than what it costs to build a building. What is nice about our policy with FMIT is it's a blanket policy which basically
means you take the appraised value and say the reconstruction building uh value becomes higher than what the replacement value is, they will cover the complete cost. That's the benefit of blanket of a blanket policy. So if a building costs
10,000 on paper, but it costs us 15,000 to rebuild, they'll give us the value, the 15,000 to rebuild. So ours would just be, you know, the 5% when deductible. Gota, thank you very much. And then are we budgeting for that deductible should
something happen? We generally don't budget for that. uh it's how it's paid for is, you know, it depends on what happens with the storm. Uh we have existing budget that's used. Um we also look to FEMA for
reimbursements on some of on a lot of those projects as well to pay on our prior losses for that building and that sort of thing. Uh so that's that's basically how we pay for losses when it comes to storm related losses. Thank you very much. Uh can you explain
why the auto liability is doubling? Why our auto is basically doubling in expense? Well, we've there's a couple of things that have happened in the auto market and that is inflation related to repairs. Um
just the cost of automobiles have gone up tremendously over the past few years. That's spread along to all of the auto parts that come in. So, if you take a a normal wreck that would have cost us 3,000 two years ago, it's almost doubled at
this point uh for those auto repairs. Um we've also got a lot more fleet than we've had. So, our value of fleet has gone up. Uh so, it's gener it's a combination of all of that and some of our loss experience too. We have had a few vehicles that pretty expensive
vehicles that have been damaged too. So, it's a combination of those time experience, inflation, and the cost of repairs. I got you. Normally, you don't see like a full-on double from one year to the next year. So, that's, you know, raises red flags in my mind to ask these Yeah, it's hard. I mean, we we have had
some losses that have hurt us, but we're doing our best to try and resolve those as quickly as we can. Member Stokel, did you have Yeah, I had a question actually that you brought that one up. Do we track how many claims we have regarding auto to see if we're trending up? Are we trending down? Because obviously if we
had more claims that could explain why we're going up too. We absolutely track those. Okay. Do you know how they are trending off hand? I I'm sorry I did not prepare to ask that question. Um well our fre you want that on public?
Well the the frequency is is certainly there. Okay. Uh as far as but the values of those losses have gone up because remember we also have a it's a comprehensive policy. So, it just depends on which one you're looking at. If it's our own losses
relate to related to vehicles striking ours, but I I can get you a detail of what that trend is if you'd like. Okay. And I'm just asking now to see if that if this is a significant increase if there's something that we can do to give better direction, you know, to staff to say, hey, can one of our priorities be to try to decrease that?
Can we do more training? Can we do something? Because I I don't know those numbers and I it would be interesting to see that to see if that is something that we should focus on. Sure. I can provide those numbers to you. Thank you. Thank you, member. So, and I noticed we have a $1 million stop-loss aggregate.
Yes, sir. Have we ever hit that? No. I asked if we ever hit our aggregate before us. No. No. No. Never have. Okay. Just something looking at budgeting for the future, what that looks like in terms of overall strategy.
But thank you very much. I appreciate you guys. Um, I wanted to ask, you know, some questions about Etna and our stop-loss insurance. And there there's a bunch of things to dive in there that I think that definitely need to be looked at. Uh, but an effort of time. I'm not going
to go into those because I feel like I'm getting a dead horse, but um, city manager, can you uh, explain to council the check we received from Etna? The what? From Etna? Didn't we receive a check from Etna? Oh,
we on the stop loss reinsurance. It wasn't for pharmacy reimbursement. Oh, also for reimbursements as well. We received several different and I can have Joe Dero can give us the details on it. We received two large checks. One for stop-loss insurance, another one for
our pharmacy rebates. Okay. So, upon audit, we discovered how much Etna owed us. I if I if I recall just to understand your question mayor um the stop loss that you refer the check that the city
received was from uh our medical reinsurance and that's from Sunlife. Gotcha. So once we exceed those deductible amounts then we're reimbured and we've uh had u Brian can speak to that too. We've had
over 200,000 in re reimbursement so far. I apologize. When I talked with the city manager, I was under the impression that we got a check from Etna. No, the the the check that came in today, if that's what you're referring to, was about 60,000. We had one a few
days ago that uh we received from Sunlife was about 120,000. So, we've received about 200,000 reimbursements for those high cost claims that exceeded our deductible. I think that's what you're referring to.
No, I'm talking to manufacturers rebates on the prescription because uh last talking about the pharmacy. Miss Gina was here. She said that they were going through a pharmacy audit and I understood that, you know, we probably found some money in there. Okay.
Sorry, I didn't even get to go back and grab my things. But um there were pharmacy rebates. Um there should be one more. If it was received within this week, that's great. But there should be one more for this fiscal year that's coming um to help offset
your pharmacy expenses. Um so I'm not sure if that was Yeah, that was my question was how much we received in pharmacy rebates from Etna since we started the audit. Oh um how many pharmacy rebates? I want to say um as a result of the audit um we
did find that Etna did meet their financial guarantees. Um there was a a payout that they they paid to the city as a result of those guarantees. Um following the audit, there hasn't been any additional changes uh I guess
resulting from the audit. Um sorry, I was a little caught off guard. Um but as a result of the new contract going to effect 101 uh 2025, there are enhancements to that. So that's been because of our involvement, our oversight and trying to negotiate um
with Etna. So, I apologize for for being a little frazzled in the beginning there, but um beginning 101, there will be an enhancement to your rebates moving forward. Thank you very much. And again, didn't mean to catch you off guard. It was just uh you know a city manager told me that we got a check from Metna and I wanted to know how much and for how long and
can we go back and audit the previous year you know and see what was going on there because you know I I trust but but verify uh when it comes to you know our employees health and our fiduciary responsibility to our taxpayers member soal. Yes. To add to that one just so I
can understand the process is this meaning so like say for instance we go buy something in the store and it says hey if you fill this out and send it back in you can get a rebate. Are we doing this at the city level? No that's okay. So how do we get these rebates then? So those are contracted with Etna. Um
they come automatically. We don't have to do anything. Correct. So were we getting them before or did we find out as a result of the audit that we weren't getting them and now we're getting them? No. You've been receiving them. Um, but as a result of the there was some Florida legislature that went into effect last year. So, we're starting to
see there's a lag time with when rebates are received because the claims are paid and then you receive the rebates on the back end. So, we're starting to reap the benefits of those enhanced rebates from the Florida legislature and then we've also negotiated enhancements beginning 101 um to further your rebates are going
to increase further. Okay. Okay. Because of a change in legislation, not that. So, we there aren't any rebates that we have missed out on, are there? No. Okay. Okay. So, we've gotten everything that we were supposed to. Now, we're getting more because of the change in legislation. Yes. Okay. Thank you for
clarifying. And just to summize, basically companies were probably not paying them like they should until the change in legislation and then realized they kind of give us a some teeth to kind of go after them and make sure that they paid what they owed us because if they have a a minimum that
they have to pay, typically they're going to pay the minimum. Yes. Right. And we want to make sure that we're bringing all that money back back in the house. Exactly. But uh then the question that I have next is more of just a combination of D and E because you know I was kind
of doing some math and I was adding things up and when you add up you know our you know administering of the plan our stop loss and what our risk is in terms of the stop loss or stop-loss risk is what 10,656,7875
uh to be specific divided by 607 employees we get an average person of cost per year for health care of like $17,546 approximately. Okay. The question I had is I thought we were budgeting about 10 grand a person for benefits
and did I where did I get that number from about how much the health insurance costs per employee? Well, 10 million is is a little high. I think we budgeted closer to we're projecting nine million for next year.
Well, that was what the the upper limit is for all the employees that including the stop loss deductibles, right? And the ASO administrative services reinsurance and the claims costs.
We we were budgeted six million last year because of our high claims. Um, you know, we've had to project about a $9 million loss. that fund has gone up. But, uh,
yeah, um, I think we've got some, you know, good things in place that that'll help us with, uh, our premium uh, increase and some things in place that'll help manage those costs. Sorry, sir, I can't hear you very well.
If you don't mind speaking, I'm sorry. Thank you. Yeah, we we thinking where um you know our um uh premium increases over the last few years have been you know single digits
below single digits and these last two years have been very you know uh struggling for us in terms of our catastrophic events. you know, we had over 40 claimants with more than 25,000
in claims. Uh, four, I think the last report, five of our claimments have exceeded that. And that's what I was referring to, those two checks, uh, mayor, that we received, we anticipate about 400,000 back from them. So, we've
had a very, you know, struggling year where we had to increase our contributions for all of our members and um now we're I think uh set for u anticipating
all those expenses in the in the fund of about nine mill million where we were budgeting six million. So that might be the trend that we can anticipate in losses over over the year. But um you
know we've got stop loss to help ensure against the uh catastrophic events. We've got our clinic that we partner with parish for uh with our uh primary care. Uh I think we've got, you know,
some pharmacy enhancements in place that'll help us with uh some of those those medical issues that we're dealing with. So, we're going to be monitoring it and be happy to report back to you and keep keep you all informed and where we're progressing.
And I believe this year we had to move 1.2 million from the general fund to help cover the losses uh for this bad year. So, what are we doing to to budget and to plan to make sure that that doesn't happen again? Yeah.
On the on the health plan, what are we doing to prevent us having to, you know, bail out the health plan again? You know, this year we had to move $1.2 million the general fund to the health plan to help cover the losses. And it seems like our risk is like, you know,
over $10 million and we're budgeting for nine. Right. Well, I think we've adjusted the premiums to hopefully compensate for that uh perceived shortfall. We may Mary and and collaborate on that.
Um we have two options. Uh several years ago, our our health our employees helped us develop a value plan um for the benefit of of of the dependent costs. But we for the enhancement plan, we
found that a lot of those cost drivers because of the lower benefits were in that enhancement plan. And now we're finding through open enrollment, some of our employees are making some changes to to the higher deductible, if you will,
which co shares in those costs. Um, so there are some changes that are being made. um we'll monitor them uh and you know we anticipate I think a a better year also when it um I know on our
reinsurance those high claimments are being managed now we understand from from a health standpoint so where the where we exceeded those costs for those high claimments they're beginning to be resolved and not get any worse I think
is how we're those as well. Thank Thank you, Mr. Diro. So, how much do we budget per person for healthcare? So, well, um, in the I don't have those, um, costs, but, um, we can tell you on
the enhancement plan, I thought it was like $10,000 a year. That's what I thought I was somewhere in the budget. Well, we were at $400 per value plan, $700
per employee on the enhanced plan. I don't have all those because I'm sure that $10,000 would include claims per everything stop loss. Yes. Yes, sir. So, you know, what is that number per person? Yeah.
The rates if you have because what what the city contributes, what the employee contributes, dollar for dollar goes to pay for those claims. Yeah. So, are you looking for the city's
monthly cost or annual cost? Monthly. Monthly. The monthly contribution or yearly, it doesn't doesn't matter. Um, the city contributes depending on tier. So for employee only tier um under
the enhanced plan it's about $99 per employee per month. For the value plan it's just under 900 at $898 per member per month. Okay. So you know we're roughly 10 grand a year just in insurance premium right?
What are we budgeting for the claims per person? claims per person is uh the these claims are still paid by the city until we hit the reinsurance claims were claims and administration. We're budgeting for 9 million next year.
That's what we budgeted on top of the in the premium, right? No, that is inclusive of the premium. Okay. All right. Well, thank you very much. I just had some clarifying questions. wanted to, you know, iron that out because even though I do
understand insurance, it was very indepth and I'm sure it was very confusing. So, I just wanted to make sure I fully understood it before I voted. So, thank you very much. Any further discussion from council? All right, I'll make need a motion.
Move to approve consent agenda items B through M. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion? City clerk. Member Moscoso. Yes. Member Nelson. Yes. Mayor Connors. Yes. Vice Mayor Cole. Yes. Member Stokal.
Yes. All right. City manager. Item A. I'll now read uh item 8A for discussion. State housing initiative partnership ship affordable housing agreement between community of hope incorporated in the amount of $125,000.
And the recommended action is to approve the SHIP grant funding in the amount of $125,000 for the construction of affordable housing units by Community of Hope Incorporated. And we have Terry Franklin from Neighborhood Services here to answer your questions.
Hi, Miss Terry. City Clerk, are there any cards on this? We have one card. It's Tony Shel. Miss Tony Tony Shuffalo the non-collector Tropic Street so that you don't think of me as a nimi
not in my backyard I wanted to stand to say I approve of ship funding in the amount of 125,000 for the construction of affordable housing units by Community of Hope Incorporated. Two of the properties located at 705
Rodrik A. Harris Senior Avenue and 504 Rodrik Harris are right down the street from the historic Norwood House. I've seen the affordable housing built by Community of Hope Incorporated in the neighborhood actually
and it blends well with the surrounding housing. It fits in scale and style. It's rather nice. So, I approve of this in my backyard. Thank you.
Thank you, Miss Chuffalo. Member Mscoso, I didn't know if anyone from Community of Hope was here tonight. I don't see them here. No. Okay. Um, yeah. I So, um, Miss Terry, thank you so much. We went back and forth quite a bit with just some
questions, so if I stumble through this, uh, this is a lot of a learning curve here. Um, but I'm definitely in favor of this, um, project. I I agree with, um, Tony. I've seen their projects and they've done a really good job. Um, so my questions to Terry and and I went
back and forth and asked, okay, this is ship money, 125,000. What have we spent this money on before? So I asked for the records for the past five years. Um, and it was really interesting. And so one of the questions I wanted to ask Community of Hope, and Miss Terry, you might be
able to answer this. Um, do they offer any type of counseling for people once they've received the home? Um because I was looking at the numbers and the and this is what was shocking to me is we have such a high foreclosure rate. Um
for the city of Titusville, we have 39% foreclosure rate on these properties, the ship properties compared to Bvard County is 6%. Um I think Leyon County was that's where I'm from is 2% and we're at 39%. And so my question is um a
community of hope seems to have a really good track record, but what is for us in Titusville, what is the issue? Why are there so many foreclosures? It was nine out of 23 were foreclosed on and this is money that ship went to. And then when that happens, where does that money go?
What what happens after that? Um first um with Community of Hope uh yes they do offer uh wraparound services for all of their tenants and their rental properties and as well they will
because these properties will be put into a community land trust uh for 99 years they will those buyers will have that same support. uh the foreclosures you uh mentioned with the SHIP program, those are actually foreclosures from the
first mortgage holders. Titusville has a a second uh when we provide down payment assistance for those buying homes. So, those were instances where the first mortgage was foreclosed on for whatever reason. And most of those came about
back when the market was really high. I forget what year that was, 2008 or something like that. Um there was a lot of people that bought homes back then and um they weren't able to maintain those. So the first mortgage was
foreclosed on and we have to report those numbers to ship because we supported um those purchases with down payment assistance. So then what happens to the money that we've invested in those properties?
Nine times out of the ten, um, we don't get our repayment because there's not enough money on the resale to pay the first mortgage that balance. So, we usually don't get anything back on those. Um, sorry, these are elementary questions,
but are we researching before we are providing this these funds so that we're not giving money into something that might go into foreclosure? Yes. Uh we require every first-time home buyer to go through home buyer
counseling. Uh we uh have a community housing initiative is our subreient for that and they do the home buyer counseling. They look at their finances. They determine their debt ratios and if the first mortgage lender approves them
for lending. Uh we take a second look and make sure that that their debt to ratio uh meets our requirements. And that's usually like a 30% uh debt to ratio. So did just looking at the numbers, did other communities not experience um you
know in 2020 if their numbers are so much lower, why are are so much higher if we kind of all went through the same pandemic at the same time? I'm not familiar with the other communities numbers, so I really couldn't comp know how to compare what
happened here versus there. Sure. Yeah. I am definitely no expert on this, but I would love to sit down with you and because I have a lot of questions and uh it could take a while. So, thank you so much for going back and forth with me and providing me with that information. Absolutely.
Member Stokl. Yes. Uh to clarify with that, and I know we probably don't have the number now, but if uh if the true rate is not 35 39%, that's what I'm hearing because this is from the people that owned it prior. I would like to know the rate of we invest and give ship dollars to
these. How many of those after they receive the ship funding and then new homeowner comes in, how many of those get foreclosed on? I would be interested in seeing that rate since it's not the 39%. Um, could you say that again? So, you're saying the 39% is not accurate.
No, no, that's not what I said. I said that 30% probably is the first mortgages, not our mortgage. Right. And I want to know after it is our mortgage and we give it. So now we're going say we're going we're approving this tonight and then if it gets foreclosed on again that's the
percentage I want to know not prior for does that make sense? No. Okay. So these have already been foreclosed on. We have nothing to do with that. That's when that this rate of this 39% you said that's the first owner got
foreclosed on. No no no. Uh the first mortgage. So these properties that are assisted by our SHIP program, we provide the down payment, our closing cost assistance to uh a purchaser that's giving a mortgage
out in the regular financing field. So our our portion is just providing the closing cost so that we reduce what they're having to borrow from a lender. Okay. I guess the simple answer then
would be to kind of memorize. would like to know why there's others that are 6% and 2% and ours is 39%. Because there does seem to be something that we may need to fix. So ours, I mean ours is nine out of 23 homes have been foreclosed on in the past 5 years. And so
after we've given SHIP money to them, let me clarify that's not the last five years. That's an a cumulative total for the entire SHIP program from 1978 on. I just pulled the data from the la the I mean that you gave me the last five years and that's where I'm getting that
number. But those are accumulative numbers. That's not just for those individual years. I think the question is if if it is true, why are our foreclosures um higher than perhaps other communities and um you know, maybe I'm reading the numbers
wrong, maybe they're not. But if it is, I would like uh an accurate number of what percentage are being foreclosed and how are we um supporting these families for giving them, you know, 25,000 whatever for the down payment. How are we supporting them so they can be successful?
Sure. I I can compare those to see what data may be out there outside of our tracking because each city tracks their own foreclosures. There's not a database. So, it could be the other cities are not tracking their numbers.
I feel like they need they would need to track those, especially if they're receiving SHIP funds. Um, okay. And I think ultimately why I'm asking is because I want I'd like to get that down to zero if possible. if there's anything we as a city can do. Obviously, there might be external factors, but if
there's common trends that we're noticing or whoever we're awarding it to um that would be helpful before we make a decision on who we approve it for and who we don't potentially. Sure. Thank you, members. Member Mscoso. Sorry. And then there was another
question. Um I did see like the numbers are kind of all over the place with the amount that we've given in the past five years. So we went uh in 2020 to 2021 we actually we didn't give out any ship money. Is that correct? That's correct. That year uh the
governor um took the ship for general fund. Very kind. All right. So I was just curious about those and how that works. Thank you. Any further discussion? I just wanted to make one more clarification on those for foreclosure
rates. Those rates, those numbers also include properties that were not firsttime home buyer properties. Those could be properties we assisted with repairs. So, if they had a mortgage and that foreclosed, um, we have to report those numbers as
well. So, it's not just firsttime home buyer foreclosures. And I I agree with that. But I do think if we are going to be investing this money, there needs to be um we need to do our due diligence um and making sure that it's going um you know to to families that are are set
up on the right track to succeed instead of oh well this we can fix this house and then they actually can't afford to live there because of whatever reason. So I think uh that's the information that I want. What is our due diligence? How are we vetting um these
homes and making sure that um we're providing the additional support, not just uh throwing money at an issue, but how are we maybe working with partners in the community to make sure that we can keep these these folks in their homes? Yeah, absolutely. I agree. Um we do uh
have in our policy that we review each applicant to make sure if they do have a mortgage that they are current on their mortgage payments. We ask for three um statements and we check that right before we make the repairs, during repairs, and after repairs to make sure
that they're staying current. Um we look at the data from that before we approve their application. And if they're in good standing at that time, you know, then assistance is provided. Member Mosa, did you have any
suggestions on other solutions that they could implement to u make sure we're protecting those funds? I don't. I actually want to learn more about this. So, I'm hoping to meet with Norpar Charities um and then Miss Terry and a few other nonprofits to see what
we can do. Um but I mean I I'm sorry I kind of went off track. This is about community of hope and so very thankful that they're receiving the funds. it just kind of m went down this rabbit hole and um so yeah, I definitely need to learn about this this subject a bit more. So, thank you.
Thank you very much. If I don't see any further discussion, can somebody make a motion? Move to approve consent agenda item A. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Any oppose? Motion carries unanimously.
Thank you very much, city manager. Moving on to item 9A. That's a conditional use C cup application number nine number 5-2025 St. Francis Reflections Pace Center. The applicant is requesting a conditional
use permit to allow an adult dayc care facility at 1250 Grum and Place in the community commercial zoning district. And the staff recommendation is to approve the CU for an adult daycare at 1250 Grumman Place consistent with the
approved concept plan in the community commercial zoning district. And our community development director is here to answer any questions. Also, it's a quasi judicial need that the rules. I during uh this is a quasi judicial
item. Uh during the public hearing portion um of this item, anyone wishing to speak on this item must first sign a public hearing agenda card and sign the oath contained thereon, swearing to tell the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth. These cards are located
on the table at the entrance of chambers and should be provided to the clerk. Those speaking in favor of a request will be heard first. If you have photographs, sketches or documents that you desire for the city council to consider, they must be submitted into
evidence and will be retained by the city. Uh please submit such exhibits to the city clerk. City clerk, have you received signed oath cards from persons wishing to speak before the city council uh on this item? Okay. um to the staff and applicant. If
there's any other uh uh witnesses that you intend to have speak, um have a signed oath card presented to the clerk. Uh and if there is anyone else here present that hasn't filled out a card, please do so at this time. Um city clerk, have all agenda items been
properly advertised? Okay. Um, regarding exparte communications, in the event that a council member has received an exparte communication, verbal or written, outside of this hearing, the council member shall disclose the identity of the person, group, or entity
with whom the communication took place and the subject of the communication, including all opinions or flat facts disclosed. Any written communication must be disclosed and made part of the record. Also, in the event that a member has conducted an investigation or site
visit or received any expert opinion regarding the quasi judicial item, said visit or opinion shall be disclosed. If a written exparte communication exists, verify that the applicant has received them and has had the opportunity to
review and is ready to proceed. Uh, regarding the order of this presentation, first council will receive staff's presentation followed by a presentation of the applicant. Following the applicant's presentation, the floor will open to the public comment. The
applicant may make a rebuttal. Witnesses may be cross-examined by the applicant, a party, council, or staff representative as authorized by the council. U the council's decision in this matter must be based upon competent
substantial evidence and pursuant to Florida statute if the council denies an application for um this item the council shall site to the applicable applicable portions of the an ordinance rule statute or other legal authority for the
denial of this permit. This has got to get shorter and I'm already talked to uh to Miss Treasure about that. So, because this is way more than needs to be done, but thank you very much. That'll be her issue. City attorney. All right, Brad, did you want to kick us
off? Um, page 344 is the first page of the staff report. We reviewed this application consistent with the comprehensive plan and the zoning code. We found it to be consistent with both and we recommend approval without
conditions. the concept plan, the page that's most relevant to you as far as illustrating the improvements that are being proposed are on page 359 of your packet. And you will see that the applicant is proposing to use an existing building, an existing site. A
portion of that building will include this adult daycare facility, which is required to go through this public hearing process primarily because the property is located on a local road and the code specifically says they'll have to go through a public hearing for this. We didn't find any issues, not proposing
any conditions. The applicant will have to get a site development permit for the improvements that they're proposing, including the porca share and some of the other site improvements on that are illustrated on that concept plan. With that, I'll try to answer any questions you have. Thank you very much, Mr. Parish. City
clerk. Um, the applicant is here, Aaron Roger. Hello, I'm Joe Killian. I'm the CEO for St. Francis Hospice here in uh Titusville. Um our organization started 50 years ago with Emily Saskco. We've
been caring for patients in the uh Titusville area for quite some time now. We have a 12 bed inpatient unit on that same campus. And we're talking about building the PACE program. Uh an inpatient center is equivalent to an intensive care unit. Oxygen o and uh and
and suction and so forth in the walls for patients that need help um with their last uh days of life. So that's that's kind of where we're at with that. We have a building that's about 40ome,000 square feet. We're dividing that building up. We're going to provide what's called a PACE program in part of
that building. uh the PACE program. It's a program of all-inclusive care of the elderly. Uh it's designed to take care of the underserved uh people of this community, typically Medicaid appropriate patients that are um nursing
home appropriate. In other words, they have a skilled need would typically go to a nursing home. Uh they're with the help of this PACE program, they're able to stay in their homes longer. Uh keep them out of nursing homes. Uh, I think if any I ask any you on this um council
whether or not you'd like to spend your last days in a nursing home, I'm sure I'd get a no from about just everybody. Um, nursing homes are are needed. I'm not saying they're not appropriate, but most people don't want to spend their last days in one. A PACE program provides meals, care, social services,
um, uh, medical care. There'll be a clinic there with physicians, nurses, nurse practitioners that'll take care of patients. We pick patients up in their homes in the community. We bring them to the center um while they're there. We take care of their medical needs if they have any. We take care of their
psychosocial needs if they have those as well. Whatever their medical needs are, we provide. If it's dental, vision, if it's uh internal medicine, we have to provide all that care for them. So, that's the type of program that we're proposing to put together with this this PACE project.
Well, thank you very much. Appreciate you. City clerk, is there any other cards? Murray. Okay. All right. Is that the last card? City council. Any discussion?
Oh, member Nelson. I think it's a great idea. I think is needed. So, I would be happy to make that motion. All right. Closing the public hearing. I have a motion from member Nelson. Second. Second from Vice Mayor Cole. Any further
discussion? Oh, did we have any cards? I already called them. No. Say cler just to um ensure do you mean are you including it being consistent with the improved concept plan as written? Yes. Okay.
All the legal ease up follow although that based on the staff report we're uh making the motion to approve the cup. Uh roll call is member Nelson. Yes. Mayor Connor. Yes.
Vice Mayor Cole. Yes. Member Stokel. Yes. Member Muscoso. Yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much, guys. Appreciate you being here. City manager. Yes. Moving on. We have uh no ordinances, first reading or old business. So, move on to uh item 12, new
business. And 12A is an advisability and staff is seeking an advisability to create a temporary ad hoc committee in accordance with section 31-5 of the city ordinances for the purpose of addressing community needs and
service gaps provided at the Harry T. Moore social service center. And we have Terry Franklin here to answer your questions regarding this request. Thank you very much, city manager. Are you ready, Miss Har?
Oh, I'm sorry. I was waiting for questions. Um so um we're seeking advisability to create a temporary ad hoc committee uh with the intent to um have a committee
of at least six members is our thought. Um and it would convene to discuss any gaps in services within the community. We have several um areas of the city which are defined as low income and as
you know the center uh serves as a a service hub for the community uh with tenants that we have there uh service providers as well as the city. Um so we thought it would be great to have a committee to help us discuss on what
service gaps are needed. Um and this would be a great start to do that. Thank you very much, city clerk. Are there any cards on this item? We have one card. It's Tony Chevic Street, a concerned citizen. I think we approve the creation of a
Titusville social services ad hoc committee for the purposes of addressing uh community needs and service gaps provided at the service center. It says that appointments to the ad hoc committee will be made by city council
through an application process. So, I'm here to ask and to just state that I am certain and sure that members of the concerned citizens and other community residents
will be welcome applicants. So, please consider this because as the enclosed 1971 deed in your packet says, quote, "Property shall be used for recreation
and park purposes or for a social service recreation community center only." So, there it is again. Community recreation, not just offices. And it also says if you don't
use it, you lose it because it says the title shall automatically, you know, if it's not used for these purposes only, the title shall automatically revert to Brevard County. It's a lovely building. It's in a neighborhood that
has many social needs and we don't want to let it go back to Brevard County. Let's keep it. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Shifflo. City clerk, are there any other cards? Yes, sir. Thank you very much. Uh to kind of kick off the discussion, um it was really
interesting to go to the family promise stakeholder meeting in Coco to hear about how they do it. Basically, they had an old fire station that they leased out for a dollar a year for 20 years and Family Promise Boulevard paid in cash for 20 years of rent. And uh that
nonprofit came in, revitalized that building and brought in other social service providers into that building. Uh whether it be Career Source and Bvard, uh Bvard Health Alliance, Help Me Grow, Elevate Bvard, all the needs um that
they thought needed to be met could be met there. And I think we have a challenge here in Titusville with um somebody needs social services and unfortunately we as a city don't necessarily provide social services. That's not what we do
inherently. We're more police, fire, water, roads. Um and to hand somebody a flyer and say, you know, you got to go to Coco or Vieira or somewhere else, that makes it unattenable for that person that needs that social services sometime. So, I think it'd be behoo of
us to try to get some of these countywide nonprofits that do social services uh to invite them to be a part of what we're trying to to build up here in terms of social services. Um, and I've had conversations with a lot of
those nonprofits because anytime we get a nonprofit to uh invest in Titusville or North Bard, that's a win for our community. And so those are groups that raise money in Melbourne and spend it up here. So that's always a good thing. Uh
but you know, I think an ad hoc committee would be very beneficial because what they found at Family Promise and and doing that is they saw what the data said about what they needed for services and it turns out the community had a slightly different idea.
Now, there was some overlap, but there was some things that they realized that weren't necessarily needed and some other things that that needed to be brought in there. So, with that being said, I'm very in favor of uh doing this and helping uh bring some of these
nonprofits that operate more south up here to help us out. So, member Nelson, first, thank you, Terry. I think what this was a good idea. Um, and second, I'm totally in favor of it and I would
make that motion to uh further the creation of the ad hoc committee. Second. Well, I have a motion and I have a second member. So, further discussion. Uh, yes. Thank you, Terry. How much space do we have available in that
building? Do you mean for rental space? Yes, like for rental if we wanted nonprofits to come in. I know we have a few nonprofits that are working out of there. There's five rental offices and um and two of them are currently occupied.
Okay. So, there's three available now. And what's the fee for the rental? It's $1,200 a year. Okay. Um, so I think when we did our in February when we went to different parks and um different areas, it was really eye opening to see how the different um
community centers were used, right? And some of them you had the kids come in and um you know and I when I was at the the the Harry Tmore Center um there was nobody in there and that was honestly a bit shocking because it's right there in
the middle of the community. We need to have people there. So, I'm definitely for this. Um, but my question is, are there are there set rules that we have to um have people apply or could we each if it would be approved by the council,
we each appoint someone to this committee or is it we did the the rules state that people need to apply for this? Well, if you look at uh page 377 of your packet, that's article uh 8 ad hoc
committee. It says uh any other committee appointed by the city council the purpose of re analyzing or recommending shall be temporary ad hoc in nature. um it doesn't really address
um whether or not has to be only by by application. I would assume that it would be for council to decide the application process whether or not you appoint each council member appoints one member to the board or do it by consensus. I think that's something for
council to decide because it is a ad hoc type committee which is you know for a very short duration. I think it's for council to decide how you want to uh comprise the members of this committee. It's not not a hill I'm going to die on,
but um I do like the idea of us being able to appoint someone um because thinking of individuals who are in um I mean there could be other restrictions that are in uh serving in the community. Perhaps there's somebody who really does serve in our community um at one of the
charities but doesn't live in our community. Would they be able to apply? And so I mean there could be things we have to iron out but um I would love that option. Um but I'm not going to die on that hill. So it's thank you member Mosto. So I do have a
motion and a second for the appointment of an ad hoc committee and since that motion is on the table. Uh and member Stokl I'll call on you here in a second. Uh but I think this is the opportunity to talk about how we do it. uh whether
it be an application process very similar to our other boards and commissions or just a straightup appointment u via each council member um or even two per council member. I mean it really uh could could vary. U this is
a temporary committee so it's not inscribed into ordinance as to how we do it. So therefore we as a council can set the rules. Member Stole. Um, along those same lines, I guess I was hoping for this is advisability for Terry to come back with potential recommendations being in that area,
working really well with the community, seeing what you've noticed, maybe potential ideas of who you feel like should be on there. Um, and then get that advisability. And then I think then that would make me feel better about should we do an application process? How many might be a good amount of people? Would it be 10? What does that look
like? And then with that advisability, with Terry doing what she does, I feel like I can make a better decision. I don't think I'm ready to make that decision right just yet. Thank you. Member Stok. Can I clarify your motion, Member Nelson? Was it to agree to the advisability or was it to form the ad hoc committee?
To approve creation of the ad hoc committee. Okay. So, that was the motion on the floor, which is not advisability. It says advisability right here, but that's not the motion she made. Okay, we could say
advisability. Okay. So, I just wanted to make sure that we all knew what we're doing. Either we're creating a committee or we're asking staff to look into the committee and bringing more back more details. So, with that being said, I think we, you know, don't need to debate too much. We wait for that advisability.
So, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much, Miss Terry. City manager. Next item is uh the approve the Verona A&E sketch plat as consistent with the city's comprehensive plan LDR and
requirements of section 34-1 151 of the sketch plat. And Brad Parish is here to answer any questions regarding the approval process. Mr. Parish, I'm just here to answer any questions. The entire sketch plat is there and they
this is approved. They'll have to go forward with the final or preliminary plot and final pl with us. Thank you very much, Mr. Parish. City clerk, we have one card. It's Rick Kern. Hi, I'm Rick Kur, the uh uh project
engineer. Um we uh we concur with staff findings on the project and we we we we look forward to making this the uh the final phase on on on the project as well. If you have any questions, I'll be happy trying to answer them for you. Thank you very much. I don't see any.
Appreciate it. Any council discussion? All right, I'll entertain a motion. Member Nelson move to approve the Verona A and E sketch plant as consistent with the comp plan. I have a motion and I have a second. Any
further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Moving on to 12C is the marketing, public relations, and communications
strategic plan. As you recall, earlier in this council meeting, we had a marketing alliance presentation where they laid out the the plan. We're now asking for council to go ahead and approve the strategy that was presented. Thank you very much. City clerk, are
there any cards? City council, do you guys have anything? I'll entertain a motion. Move to approve the marketing public relations and communication strategy as presented
by marketing alliance. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. And now we're at the port of the meeting where we have
petitions and requests uh from the public non-aggenda items has not come up before or have not spoke earlier. Anybody would like to say anything? Not seeing anybody leave their seats. So we'll move on to mayor and council reports.
Wow, that was like a lot like really quickly. Good job everybody. All righty. Member Scosa, would you like to lead us off? Uh, I would prefer to wait if that's possible. Vice Mayor Cole,
I'd like to just make the public aware of some things that are going on in the community as far as scam calls. Uh two days ago I was sitting at home and I received a call from my doctor
and uh I did not recognize the voice on the other end and they said that I had had a blood test recently which I had had and uh as the message proceeded I
recognized that this was not from my doctor's office. the number that was called was my doctor's office. So, when I decided that, hey, I'm not talking to you anymore because you're you're you're saying you're going to
send me a packet in the mail and I have to do a DNA test and it will be totally covered by Medicare. Well, that's when I immediately recognized that it was a scam. So, I hung up on this and I
immediately redialed. And when I redialed, as I suspected, it was straight to my doctor's office. My doctor had not called me. So, basically, I'm saying there's a scam out there and I immediately notified the
Titusville Police Department. Uh, I was at my hospital board meeting yesterday and I was told that there are number of these calls that are being made to people in the community where they have been able to clone
the number of your doctor. Now, there were two things that they had. They knew who my doctor was because that's who the call was from and they knew I had had a blood test within the last month or so. So, all I'm saying
is just be careful when you get these calls because there's no telling who's on the other end and there's no telling what the scam is that they're trying to put on you. So, that's just an attention that I'm putting forth to the community.
The second thing I wanted to talk about was our public works department. And uh I think some of you that have that drove down Highway One yesterday recognized that we had a major water leak, water break on uh on the Coner
Garden and uh Highway One. Our guys worked till midnight out there trying to repair that line. Today we had a major waterline break by uh the fiber optics installer Wire 3 in
my neighborhood and they worked out there feverishly all day. It was an 8 in water mane. I just want to give kudos to our public works department for the hard work that those guys do. And when I say hard work, these guys had to dig a ditch
in both locations, Garden Street and in my neighborhood. The the ditch was deep was at least 6 ft deep because the guys that were digging it, you couldn't see them if they were in the hole. So, just I just want to publicly recognize our
public's works department for the work that they do. Thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. Anybody else like to go? Member Moscoso or sorry members everybody's flipping their lights on and off.
Member Moso. All right. Um so I have two things. Um so the first is um I am asking for permission to go to a conference in Daytona. I think it's just a it's a full conference, but it's only
a day conference that I'd like to attend. It's a planning conference. Um the charges $45. So, if I could get approval to do that, I would appreciate it. I think some members of the planning and zoning commission are going, but it's a conference. Um, and this class in particular is for elected officials.
I'll make that motion. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Anybody from the public want to weigh in on the planning conference vote? All right. All those in favor say I. I. All opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. All right. This one is not as fun. Um,
so I'm going to read a statement. Um, and I want to address two important uh, governance issues tonight. Uh, the recent use of city branding and social media to promote sponsorship of non- city events and how we operate as a
council under our current form of government. Um, I hope that we can have a discussion after this constructively and move forward as a team and focus on serving our community. So my primary concern is this. If we allow city
branding and social platforms to promote sponsorship of certain events, what prevents any council member, myself included, from using that same branding to support our preferred nonprofits? What stops me from seeking sponsorships using the city branding and my title as
a council member? This creates a potential for misuse of our public positions and opens us up to confusion and possible possible legal liability. I think we are elected officials, but we're also citizens bound by the same rules and ordinances as everyone else.
And I don't believe we're consistently following them. We hold our residents to a high standard and these chambers with no exceptions. I think we have to hold ourselves to the same standards. Let me give you two examples that have offered some concern. I I touched on this a
little bit before, but uh the recent mayor's minute claimed the city was working closely with SpaceX, NASA, FAA, and state agencies on launch safety and beach access. When I asked about our position on this issue two weeks ago,
there was minimal discussion. Then suddenly an official video mentioned this close collaboration, which I knew nothing about. Now, I might have missed an email, but as one of five council members, I believe we all deserve to be informed and included on these
decisions, and I often see things put out on our official social media that I have no idea what is happening. Second, the mayor's ball requesting business sponsorships while using the title mayor, city branding, and city hall. Um,
address the address for city hall. It raises serious questions. Are we potentially violating state statutes? Why was this not discussed by the full council? I think this could have been something that we all supported and found a way to back collectively.
But instead, this is being handled independently without council input or oversight. So, our form of governance matters. I think the mayoral role is important, but it's also largely ceremonial. And under our
council manager structure, we are not a strong mayor city. And I'm concerned that some recent actions exceed what our government structure allows. Moving forward, I'm asking that we operate as a team, that we make decisions collectively, and that we consistently
follow our policies. This is not about stopping positive work. It's about including the entire governing board and city business. I do believe it's my responsibility as a council member to address these concerns and have these uncomfortable conversations not only on
behalf of the residents but also the staff so that we can move forward properly and legally. And I'd love to hear any thoughts on this. Member Nelson. Um, I did look up Florida statute
and I'm sure you got it. But it does make it a criminal offense for public officials to use their official position to secure a special benefit for themselves or others.
So, I am concerned that we are putting things out. Mayor, um, you're putting things out. Uh, I understand there's a
mayor's minute, uh, for the brew fest, the Rotary Brew Fest, and then the mayor's ball. I understand that staff was used for that,
and that um, city property was used for that. And I think all the way around, we've had this discussion before. We aren't allowed to direct staff to do anything. The property belongs to the
city. It's not ours to use for a special purpose. We can't do that. Um, the last time we discussed it was when we said, "Hey, you know, if you're using staff for more than two
hours, you have to have counselor's permission." And two days later, you're out of space center with staff. And that raises serious questions.
So to me, the question for myself is, do we do nothing? How do we get you to pay attention to the rules and follow those? Do we Palm Coast engaged a law firm to
look at it and make a misconduct and make recommendations as a criminal offense potentially at some point this becomes a really serious problem and I don't want any of us in
that kind of position. Member Stokel. Yep. Um, okay. Some to me I've heard three issues and I'll address them all three. Um, one, the mayor's minute. I I think we this was brought up before. What I don't want to have happen is I do
feel like I don't know the intent or anything, but I I will say I have appreciated um our very active council. Um, even me going to Space Coast League of Cities and around, I am getting compliments on, oh, I saw your mayor. Oh
my may oh your mayor called me and it I appreciate you building those relationships. Um with the mayor's minute I haven't had any issues for the most part um except for the one member MSO you brought up and then there was one prior that I brought up at a council meeting. Um so I don't know the best way
to approach that because I don't want to stifle I I I like that we're doing those. I feel like it's good that we're communicating. Um and for the most part I haven't had any issues with them. I think it gets brought up then when there is something that we are caught off guard and we weren't maybe necessarily in agreement with and we didn't really
want that message coming out. Um I had that issue with one of the videos. Uh but at the same time I don't want to stifle what I feel like we're on an upward trajectory of more engagement, more transparency. We're putting out more information. Um so maybe there's just, you know, hey, these are the
videos I'm trying to do and we know in advance and we're okay with them. I I don't know what that looks like exactly because I don't want to micromanage too much where it becomes, you know, not even worth the effort that you're putting into it. So, I'm kind of on the fence with that. Mayor's ball, um, I'm
100% in support of if we need to vote on, you know, us being a part of it, what does that look like? Uh, Palm Bay does a ball, Cocoa Beach does a ball. I think it's great that we're finally getting representation on the north end. So, I don't know if that was just an oversight or you just saw that they were
doing it and you wanted to do it too, but if we need to do something to be on, I would be in favor of that. Um, and then lastly, the staff time. Um, I don't know if there is anything happening right now, but I think, yeah, just to reiterate, our form of government, all
staff reports to our city manager. Um, and I don't want any of our staff being put in uncomfortable situation where you're directing them based on council's direction and then any one of us up here is saying, "Hey, I need you to do this or I need you to come with me to this." I I want to be clear. I do not I want to
make sure that is not happening. Um, and I will have to defer to you city manager to make sure to keep us informed if that potentially is happening, if we need to do something about that. So, that goes for any of us on council because I I have high regard for a form of government. it empowers you to do your
job effectively and I want to make sure you're being able to do that. So, um, hopefully that summarizes my thoughts on it on what we potentially need to do moving forward. Member Stokel, Vice Mayor Cole, I think we've brought up a couple of
issues that the council is concerned about. I think moving forward I think we you know the mayor's ball is uh I never thought of it in the respect of the way it is you say it's against uh different
uh the misuse of public position and those but it's the mayor's ball is something that I totally support and I think it's really good but I think that what we need to do if we need to form a 501c3 foundation
at our council so that we could actually support it in a real way where all five of us are on board to support it. I think we should do that. Now, I don't know the intricacies of forming a 501c3.
But I think if we need to do that to make this event something that it seems that it's going to turn out to be something really good that is supporting a major contributor to
tourism in our city I think is a good thing. So my position is that yes they there may have been some infractions. I think we can move forward from this, but I think we do need to form and I have to
either look at our lawyer or look at our lawyer to determine what we need to do to make that happen. Thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. member Nelson, I believe that's how Palo Bay does it is
they have a 501c3 and I'm assuming that as part of part of that they don't go out and say this is the office of the mayor is this is this
501c3 that is looking for sponsorships. Um, I know there's a way to do it, but we're not doing it the right way. So, Jim, can you tell us how we should
do it? Yes, and it is possible. Um, and a lot of cities are set up that way. In fact, I set up Palm Bays uh back in the day when I first started there. They they weren't doing it that way. The city was just doing it. um they set it up as a
51c3 to help in the fundraising which is the the purpose of like having a mayor's ball or something is to raise funds for for uh charitable uh you know causes and stuff and having that vehicle helps. Um
it's really not too difficult to set up. Um it would be a fully owned corporation of the city. So the board of directors would be the five council members. Uh the chair of the board would be the mayor. The CEO of the corporation would be the manager. General counsel of the
corporation would be the city attorney and so on. Um and you file with the state and then there's some IRS filings that also need to be done. There'd also be a little burden on finance because there would be a um an annual report that finance would have to send to the
IRS uh just to report on on revenue. I mean, clearly if it's a 51c3, you're not paying taxes, but they do want to report. Um, and so it's it's not heavy lifting. It's really not. So, so let if I can ask you, Palm Bay, do
does the board actually decide each year what charity is going to be supported? Yes. Yes. I believe it comes as a as a recommendation from the mayor since it's the mayor's ball, but the board of directors votes on what they're going to
have their cause be each year. Okay. So, as long as we weren't using city property, city staff, we would be in the clear. I mean, you you could and that's the whole purpose of making it a fully owned corporation of the city. So, so you
would have um that that ability um and and there are other examples um of of 501s that are set up by cities, not just for mayor's balls, but there are there are different things. The city I just came from at Port St. Lucy had a governmental finance corporation and
they had all their real property um in owned by this governmental finance corporation and it was the same thing. It was the the five council members were the board of directors and so on, but city staff ran that corporation completely. Um, and it was it was
acceptable and there was an ethics opinion received at the time because the corporation was an alter ego of the city this in in a nutshell. So um um so it was it was deemed uh an appropriate use
of of public resources. Okay, that makes sense. And I would support that. And I will I will say this. I heard a rumor that one of our staff was used to solicit
um a sponsorship from a company that bothered me. And I don't know whether it's true or not. Uh I hope it isn't true. Um but if it were, that would that would seriously concern me. Could could I give
one other piece of information just to clarify what's been said here tonight? Um the the Florida statute section that I believe has been shopped around to a lot of us um including myself is 112.313
subsection 6. That's not a criminal statute. That's part of the Florida Ethics Code. So at best it would be an ethics charge that would be would be filed. but also what was sent around didn't have all the verbiage uh that's in the statute. But just want to make
sure it's it's not left that that anything done was a criminal act because at at best we would be looking at the ethics codes. So question though um and this is just for me because I tried to look it up. I was trying to read on my phone which
wasn't acceptable. Um, so when I pulled it up, the penalty section, it was talking about felonies versus misdemeanors, but I couldn't find this specific
section cited in there. So, it's not considered criminal. Ethics violations, you know, there's are not criminal. There's that whole structure. Ethics charge is made to the ethics commission. they do their
investigation, they can impose a fine. Um, so to that extent there would be that, you know, monetary penalty. Um, but they would have no power beyond that. Um, so thank you. Member Nelson, member Moso.
Sure. Um, so I think my issue is that you knew that this was a gray area. Um, and yet you continued. Um, I think this is stuff that we need to if we have any concerns or questions, um, it needs
to be brought before us. But, but going about it and using the title of mayor, using our address, maybe not using our seal, but using the branding, it's a very gray area. And then asking for $20,000 in sponsorships from different
companies. Um, for me, that is not acceptable. And it and it is maybe you didn't use the the seal, but there are a lot of other things that would imply that this is sponsored by the city of Titusville. When I find out found out about it, I asked Tom because
it it looks like it's sponsored by the city of Titusville. Is it sponsored by the city of Titusville? No, it's not. I find out I found out because another elected official, not not on this board, showed me a text about the mayor's ball. Have you heard about it? No, I haven't heard a single thing. Oh, it has the
city of Titusville's logo. I I didn't know we were putting on a ball. And so I think that is my concern is there are all of these little things and that that have been happening. And I feel like I really just want to reiterate our form
of government is our uh manager council. There's five of us on this board. We were all five elected. And I appreciate that what you're doing, but I do think that it does need to be reigned in a bit. Thank you, Moso. member Stoke.
Yes. Um, city attorney. So, moving forward, um, because we don't have a 501c3 right now, and I'm I just looked up Cocoa Beach's mayor's ball. It looks like theirs is in partnership with Kuanas and it's supporting two nonprofits.
Um, could we without having a 501c3, is there something that we can do now since this has already been advertised that as a council that we can discuss? Absolutely. I mean, you know, you don't absolutely need that 501c3. It could still be a city sponsored event. Um, and
use that title, mayor's ball. Um, it would the the the the kicker that that got me to form the 501c3 in Palo Bay is that they were telling the public to make your tax deductible checks made out to the city of Palm Bay. And I'm like,
wait a minute, IRS ain't going to like that. So, um, so that's where we put on the brakes. And if in this case, if people are directed and and I haven't seen how, you know, people are being directed, but if they're if the city is is putting this out there, but directing
them to the organizer to buy tickets or to, you know, provide sponsorships or anything that that leaves us out of that part of it and we're just just a sponsor at that point. So, yes, it can it can stay and maybe that's something we look at
and I uh sent a message to Cocoa Beach and I don't think theirs went before their council. Um, so I think that it just I quite frankly I think it just depends on what we want to do. Um, I feel like there's other feelings about our mayor um that are kind of playing
into this as well. So again, I think for the sake of the mayor's ball, I would like to have one in the north end. I think that it's already been advertised whether we like it or not at this point. Um and I think moving forward if we keep doing this can we it would be nice for
it to come before us especially as we know who it's potentially benefiting. Um but I think as our city attorney said it it's not crimin criminal potentially you know in ethics uh using the logo. Um but I don't my personal opinion I'd like to
move forward. I'd like to continue on the mayor's ball. I've had people reach out to me um asking about it as well. Um and I I honestly thought it's great that we're having somebody putting in the work and the effort to get recognition in the north end. So that's my take on it.
Thank you, member Stokol. Member Nelson. So I think if we're going to do this, it should be council voting on it and saying yes, this is what we're going to support. But I also think we need to put some
guard rails on it, so to speak. And I'm not sure what those guard rails are. Um, yeah. I don't know if anybody else has has thoughts about it, but I do think it's something council should decide.
Thank you, member Nelson. Um, I'll call on you here in a second. Member Stokel. So when I see the blood, sweat, and tears being poured in by the Valley Air Command to
put on one of the largest event venues in Bvard County, um a nonprofit that attracts 30,000 visitors to our community every year, struggling as they try to build a
building that probably intended costing 4 million and now it's going to cost 5 million. They were looking at doing a ball, a galla, whatever you want to call it. I said maybe we can work together. Maybe we can make this a success.
And for that, I am I'm proud. I understand there may be some concerns, but I also know that there's costs associated with starting a nonprofit and kicking off an event uh incurred by the city.
So my goal was simply this, to help a local nonprofit and not cost the city any money. And to that point, I believe we've done pretty much just that. The staff time that anybody might be
referring to was done by an unpaid intern who is volunteering to learn in the mayor's office. Go UCF. um letters printing. It's all going to
be paid for by the Valley Air Command. They just did not have a way to mass print and mail. And I talked with our city manager about that. He said, "Yeah, that's fine." So again, the goal was not to use any city money. The goal was to demonstrate proof of concept to then
bring back before council and say, "Look what we can do." And I believe that with your guys' support, we are going to do that. And I even when I first met with them, I said, "Yes, I think we need to get you up off
the ground and help get you going." That is my belief. That is what I'm trying to do with uh every ability in me to make you successful as a convention center here in Titusville. But I also said year two, year three, it
if this continues that money needs to go to other places in the community as well. And to that they they agreed and said yes, you help us rally the community to help us. We're going to help the community. And that is the goal. That is what we do as Titusville
residents. We help each other out no matter what. And with that being said, member Muscos, city manager, did you approve any funds to be used for this event? I didn't hear question.
Did you approve any funds, any city resources, any paper, any Christine uh is tracking it. It's been nominal. She said less than two hours of her time and the rest of it has been with the mayor's intern who's a volunteer and totaled um less than $400
total. But was that I mean our printer was used, our paper was used, right? That's she said less than $400 total. Okay. All supplies. So I have a concern with that. What if I decided I mean I mean is it is it okay if it's a good cause to be unethical in
this sense? That's the question. What if I had my own thing that I wanted to go through to and I said, "Let's go to Megan's Ball and I choose a charity and start using the logo and start printing with paper from the city and using two hours of staff time. Would that be acceptable?"
It wouldn't be. And so I I do think that we need to do this if we're going to do it. A It's not I wanted to do it this way because I wanted to help. It's we needed to do it this way because we wanted to help. It's an easy conversation to have if it's had beforehand. And so I don't think because
just because something is good, it means that it's um ethical. And so city manager, I would ask that no resources be used unless it's approved by the council. I think that's standard. I actually think that's part of our rules. Thank you.
Yeah, I believe the city manager has discretion in how he allows printing to be handled and therefore said it was okay. Member Stokel. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. If any of us have sent thank you cards out on cards
in the mail, we get stationery. So, that's part of our thing. I mean, I've sent out because I got a packet of stationery from Christine and I send it from my house with my own postage and yeah, and I give it to people who get appointed to PNZ and
like, thank you so much for serving. Um, but I'm not using from city. I think what I feel like we're splitting hairs here because I think that to the mayor's point, he was trying to do something for our community. The city's trying to help support. And so if we have an issue and we say as a council, we do not like
this. We do not will like what he's doing. We can say that and we can say please no more funds. I'm not of that opinion. I think that he's using nominal fees, paper, trying to get this. It's getting recognition throughout the county. Other people are now looking into sponsoring it. This is I'm ha I
think this is a win. If we need to correct and make sure it comes before council, let's do that. But to keep on like going and nitpicking, I think we're going to stifle any momentum that we're having. I don't think it's nitpicking. I think it's accountability. So I think Stokele had the floor.
So let's vote on that. So you I think you're under the you do not want any city resources being used. I'm okay if it's the $400 for what this is putting on and for the valiant air command of what we're doing for our community. We have no place to ho to host when we have our awards
dinner for our boards that has to be held in mems. They're trying to do something here and build a convention center and I don't this is this conversation to me is just it I don't know. Thank thank you member Stokal. Vice
Mayor Cole, I uh think that we're at a point here where we can continue to talk about this on and on and on. I think that we have expressed our opinions about everything.
I totally agree with the mayor's ball. If we have to form a 5013 to support it, so be it. If we just made a motion that we were going to support the mayor's ball, so be it. I think that we have had
uh opportune time to say what our displeasures were and maybe what remind us of what maybe ethical things were made and and we just move on and go
and make sure these things don't happen again because we can go on and on about this and we can find we can find different things that each one of us may have done that may have not been ethical. So I think at this juncture
I would like to make Let me ask a question. How long does it take to form a 501c3? I mean just I mean it it it wouldn't take long. It's it's a matter of of filling out the form
for forms for the state um and getting those, you know, transmitted that is almost it's quick. Yeah, you'd have to have bylaws. You'd have to have, you know, and all that like any corporation uh would be set up. Um and then of
course the IRS work takes a little bit longer because to get that 501c3 status uh which is really the the end game uh takes a little bit longer with the IRS. So I I would say the whole thing would would probably take maybe 3 4 months
total beginning to end. So it it probably is not possible for this event. Okay. But it could definitely be possible for next year. Understand? So I'm going to make two motions. The first motion that I'm going to make is that we wholeheartedly support the mayor's
ball. So can I ask a question for that? with uh Valiant Air Command reimbursing the city for any expenses. Yes. So what I think the mayor or sorry
the vice mayor is asking for is that we you know designated as the city sponsored event and the effect of words or sponsorship and then again that was always a part of the plan was uh the Valley Air Command would be um paying
paying the admin expenses. I think he displayed Harris, but I'm thinking it isn't a city sponsored event. It's a city supported event. My bad. I misspoke. Okay. No, I did not ask the city for any
money. So, I have a a motion from uh Vice Mayor Cole. So, I would second that motion. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion from councel? Anybody in the audience like to weigh in
on this motion sh I um wonder like some of the council like Miss Muscoso stated what keeps any one of you from doing something um and it isn't nitpicking $400
you have to get permission for a $45 fee to go to a conference that they're inviting um newly elected city officials. This is that planning conference in Daytona Beach. She has to come and ask for $45. He spends $400 on
something. And and how there's lots of nonprofits out here that need that need support and need a ball, the mayor's ball. We haven't had a mayor's ball in the five or six 8 10 years I've lived in
the city. Um our former mayor didn't have one and the mayor before diesel didn't have any mayor's ball. So where you know where's all the brewhaha and bravo about that. Um I just think it's not nitpicking. I
think it should it should be um a matter for the council to to discuss and decide and determine how you're going to deal with. This is not a this is not a minor thing.
The mayor's ball and this one particular char nonprofit. Yes, everybody wants to support the war museum, but how do you single that out? Why not? Why not something else? Why not another one of the non-chair nonprofits in the in the
city? Um I think you're just wrong by saying that it's nitpicking and you're wrong by saying that's let's all get right behind it. And I think Miss Mscoso is right and Miss Nelson even has some good points.
Thank you, Miss Shel. Anybody else like to say anything? Sir, I think the thing that stops anybody is, you know, doing the work. And I I was going to say that a lot of time, effort, and energy into making this happen. And I think lesson learned, too. Like
next go around, you know, we can discuss which nonprofit um Well, you know, it was always the plan. Correct. You're you're good. We were just chatting while we waited. get stiff after sitting for a while. I'm Marvin Juul with Valiant Air Command Museum.
We are a 5013C. We couldn't survive without it. As you know, we're putting on a big event all the time at our museum. This is part of our survival. A ball would be perfect for us because it brings in a lot of money, meet a lot
of people, and it helps us tremendously. We got other big events coming in too like SpaceX and so on. But part of the uh I like the same mayor BL our membership volunteers really appreciate
what you try to do for us. It's a great help. So thank you very much from B air command. Thank you sir. Anybody else? All right. So, we had a motion and I have a second. Um, Cler, can you call
the role, please? Mayor Connors, yes. Vice Mayor Cole, yes. Member Stokel, yes. Member Muscoso, no. Member Nelson, yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much. I have another motion. Vice Mayor, what's your next motion?
My next motion is for us to form a 501c3. And I know it's not something that's going to happen overnight, but I think we need to just go along that path so that we don't fall into any rat holes from now on. Okay.
I have a motion. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further council discussion? Yes. All right. Member Stokel. Um yeah, I would um defer to you, Mayor. Since you're putting this on, would you prefer to wait until after to
see how it goes to see if you would want to go down that path to potentially host a mayor's ball moving forward or um do you feel like it's worth it now to go ahead that you feel like you will probably want to it's worth the effort going into forming this? Well, I I believe that we will be
successful in 2025 here. Um, that was always my concern was what if I do this and nobody shows up, right? And then you you waste all the time and didn't raise any money. Uh, but I think there's plenty of avenues in our city that could
use uh help and support to Miss Shlo's point. I mean, there's a lot of nonprofits and quite frankly, I raise money for a lot of different nonprofits here in Titusville specifically. So, I think uh it'll take some time to get that around, especially given our
backlog at city attorney. So, I would be for supporting moving that ball forward uh and getting it established. Okay. And then hopefully we can uh get that going. Uh and just another point of information that has nothing to do with this current vote, but we only have one
city event that we do. That's Red, White, and Boom. Yeah. That's the only really citywide function that we do. And I think I heard resoundingly from the voters that elected me is they want more events. And
this is a part of it. And it's a good way to not only help out the community, but uh provide that much needed uh event uh to happen here in Titusville. So I do believe we have a motion and a second on forming a 501c3 for the city. And just
another point of information, I believe the police and fire departments both have one respectively. Correct. Yes, they do. But we as a city do not. So I think it makes sense uh for that to happen. Uh city clerk, are there any cards on this matter? No, sir. Okay. Does anybody want to speak on the
matter of the city five forming a 501c3? All right. City clerk. Uh Vice Mayor Cole? Yes. Member Stokel? Yes. Member Moscoso? Yes. Member Nelson? Yes. Mayor Connors? Yes, thank you very much.
Um, member Muscosa was done with her report. Member Nelson, did you have anything to add for your report? I'm just going to say went to the Boys and Girls Club breakfast this morning. Three of our kids from Titusville spoke.
Two of them are dying to become NFL football players. They're 11, 12 years old. We keep telling them they need a backup plan. They need to be playing Kiwi football first. That would probably help. And one young
lady, um, who Tony would recognize, uh, she wants to be an attorney, so hopefully our new city attorney will let her shadow for an hour or two. She's 12,
I think. U, very smart, very, very cute kid. So, it was nice seeing where the kids are now and knowing where they've come from and um they're just they've become such great kids. So,
that's it. Thank you, Member Nelson. Member Stokal. Yes. Um I need to request approval for travel. Um, I guess even though we haven't budgeted, the internal auditor said she still needs a motion and a vote
from city council for all travel. So, I would like to request approval for travel from this past August. That has already happened. Um, and then for all the Florida League of Cities events for this next fiscal year, which would be legislative conference in November,
legislative action days in January, and next annual conference in August of 2026. and it is built into the budget, but we do need a a vote in approval. I'll second that. Thank you. Well, I'm assuming Member Stokel made the motion and Vice Mayor Cole made the
second. Um, any further discussion? Anybody from the audience want to weigh in? All those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much, Mel. I have one more item. Um, well, two. One, mayor, I don't know. Are you
speaking at the delegation meeting as on behalf of Titusville? Yes, ma'am. I did sign up because there was a sign up deadline. Yes. So, I completed that and u um from the information I've gathered from our newly hired lobbyist, Mr. Steel, is it's mostly just keep it short
and brief and thank you and let him kind of do all the work on the back end. Yes. Um and then, um our city manager sent us an email about Space Coast League of City priorities. Um you guys should have all received that. I think we had six on there from prior to think about and then we'll be talking about it
at our next meeting. So, just wanted to reiterate if those are still going to be priorities, please be thinking about them. We had on there lagoon vocational training, uh, widening of 405, home rule, housing, and live local. So, look at that list, please. And then at our
next meeting, I believe it will be on our agenda for us to finalize. and then uh that could be helpful for the mayor if he decides to bring up any of those priorities during the delegation meeting. I'll be at the delegation meeting speaking on behalf of Space Coast League of Cities and Florida League of Cities items um as well. So
that's all I have. Thank you, Member Stokel. Um I guess that leaves me. I don't really have much. Um I I think we're moving in the right direction. We have a lot of cool things going on with our CRA. Downtown merchants are getting together. There's
bustling in the area. I was at an event on I mean I was at like six events that Saturday, but uh the one event I was at I was downtown at the Leaf Lounge and while the event was going on I was watching out the window and just counting how many people walked by and it was amazing how many people are
utilizing our downtown and even Dr. Akre and I talked about it just before the meeting today. So downtown is moving and grooving. Uh our commercial spaces are bustling. We just need to keep uh permits and cos flowing so that we can increase our adorum tax revenue. So, we
have more money to spend on healthcare. I think I sum that up pretty good. I know, right? All right. All right. City manager. Yes, sir. I have uh one action item on the city manager report and that is to
set a date for the economic development workshop and I I think we may want to retitle it economic development special meeting so that we can take action as opposed to workshop where just guidance would be provided and the dates are
primary date is 13th of November at 5:30 I believe that's a Thursday and a secondary date is 20 November at 5:30 so uh request council set a time and date for uh this e economic development special meeting.
Uh thank you very much, city manager. Um yeah, when we discussed this the last time, I believe we all agreed to call a special city council meeting so that if we needed, we could take action. Um you know, glad that I caught it was a workshop before it got too far because I
want to make sure if we need to do anything we can. But uh anybody have any dates? There's either 13th or 20th. Is there a date that you cannot do it? Member Stokel, I definitely can cannot do it on the 20th. I'll be at the NA National League of Cities uh conference. The 13th I may
be um at a work event. I don't know yet. So I definitely can't do the 20th. So if we have to pick a date, it would be the 13th. Um my other request or question would be could this be a workshop and then we make the final decision at a council meeting since or
that would be up to council to decide? Yeah, just at in the off chance I can't be there. That would be my request because I know the council meeting schedule. But that it's okay. I don't want everyone to change it because of me. I I would say that if anything were
to come above that and you couldn't be here, I I personally would feel if any final decision need to be made, we'd do it as a full body. So even though we might be able to schedule it right now as if we could take action uh given the opportunity
that you are here, but if you are not, then you know, I think we're all decent enough people to make sure that you're involved in the conversation. Thank you, Vice Mayor Cole. So the 13th is better for me than the 20th also. All right. So I'm hearing consensus
member Moscow. So does the 13th work for you? All right. Looks like we're good for the 13th. City manager. Last item is item because it highlights the initiative of one of our young staff members who
really is taking on a a tremendous uh event. She uh heard council's discussions about citizens academy and and you know we talk about it in in our staff meetings about increasing citizen outreach and she is uh she's already
developed a curriculum. she's already reached out to uh find a venue and she wants to hold a first inaugural uh citizens conference and I think it's a great idea and it's patterned after successful events in Hillsboro and O and
Orange County and some of the uh programs range from community policing to permitting to local governments how does a city work how does solid waste I mean just tremendous um and it's a whole morning and staff will be instructors
and we'll get buy in from our partners in chamber. So that's Lily Galo. She's definitely a rising star. So I wanted to put that out there that really excited about her uh volunteering to coordinate it. So set your calendars for March 7th.
Thank you very much. We always appreciate everything that Lily brings to the table and I know Brad's excited about what she's doing as well as um all of us. So thank you very much. Uh, city attorney. Uh, thank you, mayor. Um, this item and
although the memo in here says it's from the city manager, it's not. Has to be from me statutoily. Um, under Florida statute, uh, the city attorney can request that, uh, council um, have an executive session um, for litigation.
Um, and this is the pending case of Lon versus the city of Titusville. Um, which is case number 05-2024-CA-50881. Uh, which is pending here um in Bvard County in the circuit court. Um, the purpose of this would be to discuss the
statutoily allowed items which is um litigation strategy, settlement and expenses. Um, and so if uh if that meets with your approval, um, we'll have it set up. I believe they have a date, tenative date. I'm not sure if it's confirmed. Um, but it will be publicly
noticed as required. So, thank you very much, city attorney. I believe Christie. Yeah, I think it's September 22nd is the date that I had on my schedule for this. So, let me double check. So you just need us to vote on it and approve that
or according to Florida statute. I just I have to make a request. So I guess implied in the word request is that you say yes. So yeah, I get consensus that uh that we'll have that executive session. Thank you very much. Um anybody want to
make the motion or just consensus? Yes, I think I think consensus is fine. All right. Yeah, everybody seems in favor. It's all on our calendar except for maybe Vice Mayor Cole. Thank you for proving my point. All righty. That being said, we're at the agenda of our at the end of our
meeting. Can I have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. We're adjourned.