##VIDEO ID:877GzDNiSMw## e e e e e all right welcome to the November 12th 2024 make sure everybody's here 2024 6:30 p.m. city council meeting we do have a quorum so I'll call this meeting to order would you please join me in a moment of silence and the pledge to the flag iedge Alle to the flag of the United States of America and to the for stands Nation indivisible andice all right clerk would you please read the rules to speak yes sir individuals wishing to speak on agenda items must complete a signup card prior to the item being introduced those wish to speak on CLA of judicial public hearings must complete a signup card and sign the oath sign up an oath cards are available on the table individuals wishing to speak on non-agenda items May do so under petitions from the public present this opportunity is offered twice in the meeting and individuals may speak at either their first or second petitions but not both no signup card is required citizens should not comment on any issue more than once during the meeting all comments except petitions and requests must address the pending I issues and citizens will be given three minutes to speak on all items citizens wishing to speak on the consent agenda must submit a sign up card identifying the items of interest each speaker shall be limited to three minutes to speak on the entire consent agenda all sign up cards and Exhibits being submitted to city council should be placed in the box on the table thank you city clerk I would look for a motion and to approve the meeting uh let's start again approval of the minutes of the regular City Council meetings of October 15th and October 22nd both 6:30 p.m. meetings so moved second I have a motion and a second all those in favor say yes yes opposed minutes are accepted city manager uh good evening mayor vice mayor and Council we are on boards and commission item number a which is the appointment of the hospital District board um the terms of regular member Robert Jordan expires on 31 December 2024 He has expressed a willingness and a desire to continue to serve on this board for another four-year term to expire on December 31st 2028 there are currently no other applications on file for your consideration and the second part of this will be a second Motion in addition Mr Stan rett's was reappointed by The Bard County Commissioners on 22 October 2024 for a 4year term to expire on 3 u 1 December 2028 this appointment is subject to confirmation by city council all right councel anything on the the board cards please one card it's danan Johnston Stan Johnston uh I've uh been spit on and my profession has been spit on when I speak about children and women babies sprayed with piss and poop this has to do with the hospital board as Mr Cole knows that I've been there many times requesting that the Parish Hospital turn off the the uh sewage The Fountains of sewage so I don't know whether it's everybody here is full of cowards or what they are but they won't turn it off Parish wouldn't do it either Mr Jordan wouldn't do it I'm very much against Mr Jordan in his position because he's lied cheated bullied and so forth what he's done as far as spraying women children and babies with piss and poop and the policy by the city of tville continues and the hospital will not help me will not help anybody who complains about it and yet we have had this policy continues as demonstrated by this Council and this city manager City attorney and so forth that this policy continues that you will will not turn the fountains off I'm ashamed of you and I'm ashamed of Mr Jordan it should never have happened and you should go I don't know I don't know what excuse you have you have no excuse it's no common sense you wouldn't do it to your to your children but you did it to the public shame on you and it continues today October the 15th you still continue to said this policy is going to continue so I continue to go to the parish board and I continue to get spit on I don't get even though get spit on what happens to women children and babies they get pissed and poop in their face they get sick you know it because that that's that's exactly what what people have complained to you and what do you do city manager City attorney and all you people up here you ignore you ignore their complaints shame on you I can't imagine a pastor ignoring this but that's what you've done I don't see how what kind of it appears to me all we have up here is nothing but puppets puppets and minions of a city manager how in the world would you continue to allow the spraying of women children and babies with piss and poop I'm ashamed of you I'm ashamed of what you've done to me too you spit in my spit on my profession you spit on the Constitution it's it's it's disgusting what you've done same thing goes for Robert Jordan big time he's been a coward and a bully on this issue you you cannot get any Professional Engineers Mr cook will not tell you right now and he has never sold me he said we're going to stop it he can stop it but he won't do it because what will you do maybe you'll fire him I'm a professional engineer I say this and you don't listen to me you cannot have any professional engineer will agree with you and yet you do it anyways I'm asking for more time no time thank you uh vice mayor yes I I well maybe I don't say that but I on the uh uh North Bard County I want to uh make note that it was brought to my attention about uh the fact that uh uh Mr Jordan does not come up for until the 31st of of um December but if I was still going to be here I would still vote as I am going to be today and uh because I think he has experience and uh what we need to be on that board so but I want to make note that that was brought to my attention okay are you saying that we are is this the normal time that this should come in front of us well U normally it doesn't come up a month and a half so to speak before the the individual uh uh time is up so but uh again that's uh that's way I stand on it and but I do want to make it official records U that I spoke to the issue city manager are we are in sync is this when this is supposed to come up yes sir um the County Commission did U Mr RS um they approved him which is your confirmation that was on your agenda and we were asked to go ahead and add Mr Jordan just to be done with the board appointments for this cycle remember Nelson and I just want to say for those who don't recall um my recollection is Florida Department of Environmental Protection asked to keep the fountains on because the uh atmosphere the oxygen would kill the bacteria so that was the reason that the fountains were left on and we discussed it in the past and despite that every meeting we hear you're poisoning everybody every meeting so I I think we followed the advice that we were given and that was what we should have done now in the future if something like that happens I'm sure Mr cook will call DP talk to them and get advice and we will follow that advice and hopefully it'll never happen thank for that clarification um so we vote on this particular nomination uh both of them at the same time now you're going to do a confirm on Mr RS and then you're going to do an appointment for Mr Jordan okay member Nelson I'll leave that up to you move to confirm Stan bretts to the North barard County Hospital District board for a four-year term to expire on December 31st 2028 second I have a motion and a second roll call vote member Cole yes member Nelson yes mayor diesel yes vice mayor Robinson yes member stokel yes member uh it passes uny member Nelson moveed to approve Robert Jordan to the North barard County Hospital District board for a four-year term to expire on December 31st 2028 second I have a motion and a second roll call vote member Nelson yes mayor diesel yes vice mayor Robinson yes member stokel yes member Cole yes pass unanimously City Manager on item 6B which is Board of adjustment and appeals Miss Angela Myers public at large has expressed her willingness and desire to serve on this board as an alternate member with an unexpired term to expire on July 31st 2026 Miss Wright public at large has expressed her willingness and desire to serve on this board as an alternate member with an unexpired term to expire on July 31st 2026 the term of regular member Christian Smith Rodriguez public at large shall be vacated as of 31 December 2024 this term shall um uh expire on 31 July 2026 staff will bring back a request to make an appointment for that vacancy at the regular meeting on December 10th 2024 staff is recommending that city council appoint one alternate member to the board of adjustment and appeals for an unexpired term of July 31st 2026 and there are no other applications on file for your consideration coun member Nelson I do have a question um affordable housing advisory committee it looks like there is a vacancy for a citizen at large am I correct the funded knows oh Terry's coming Terry W that we do have a vacancy and we have two applications that we'll be bringing to you uh council at the next okay okay that leads to my question is one of those applications the same application we're looking at tonight that said they were interested in that board as well I think that might be what member Nelson's asking that is Terry uh Miss Wright Miss Wright Miss Wright does that sorry I don't have the applications in front of me so the name's not familiar okay okay any anybody else okay anything coming straight there uh call a card on that no cards have a card say again are here uh applicants who are here be glad to hear you speak come on up hello my name is kandanda Wright and I'm an applicant anything you want to say you want we can ask questions or I um would just like to say that I've lived here over 30 years and I would like to keep our town the way it is but I don't know that we need marginalized growth and I'm willing to not just talk about it but actually do the work to make sure that we are doing what we need to do in order for us to make marginal growth but also remain this loving small town that we are perfect thank you uh member Nelson so question um right now we're looking at baa but it looks like we have an opening on the affordable housing I am willing to serve in whatever capacity that I'm able to serve and I don't it doesn't matter to me what board I'm I'm on I just want to be able to give back to the public some of the things that I have received from this area and I want to make sure that when we're talking about things that someone that is familiar with what goes on in the general public at large has a voice and is able to speak for those who can't speak for themselves okay thank you thank you member stal same question yeah one I wanted to see if the other applicant was here and then two to I think what member Nelson might be getting at just at looking at Mrs Wright's application I feel like she would be great on the affordable housing board I think that aligns more with her passion and what she's seeking to do um but as I think she stated she's looking to give back um which I think is great um I just would like to put her in a spot where I think that she would would be able to thrive and bring her skill set which I personally believe since she's interested it looks like in three different boards that would be the best fit for her but I do remind Council there may be other cards for affordable housing that you'll need to consider when the time comes to a point so so that would be the other thing as she's willing to serve there's no guarantee depending on the applicants for that one that she would be selected there and then she may not have any appointment so that's the other side my thought is to go ahead and appoint her tonight and that would be my suggestion and something else comes up that pequs her interest yeah maybe she I would agree with that yeah yeah I would agree with that uh is the other applicant here mayor we did receive a card as well so we did receive a but I don't see another applicant yes no I don't okay all right call the card Stan J Stan Johnston I'm a professional engineer I work for the city for years and I got a uh what do you call it pension from the City Board of adjustments that time I was listening to sometimes but right now we have a serious problem it has to do with Board of adjustments it has to do with the city of tville we got loopholes big loopholes right now the SNJ uh project right now he's we got a 20ft wide concrete apron for bird Lan about 20 ft from the concrete apron a fence right in the middle of the road right in the middle of road that was approved by the city of Ty so Board of adjustment appeals here's what they say they can't do it until it's approved by construction even though it's nonsense complete nonsense I want you to understand is that Mockingbird Lane which you went out to and you went out to is there's no access to that last house on there no access at all will they do anything about it no there's no access to that house from the new plants no access you guys are crazy and you won't do anything about it there's no utilities no no sewer no water to go to that last house there's no way to get to it how can you do that you won't talk about it this is what you got here is what you see is called a conspirac iry of Silence here's what I like Miss uh you guys these attorneys to listen up look in Black's Law Dictionary look up conspiracy it applies right here to all you guys City attorney city manager this is a conspiracy because you can do anything you want to how do you do it by silence you don't do nothing you don't say nothing just like what what Mrs Nelson said she she will not she never debated this thing about uh about the sewage spill because there is no professional engine ear in the State of Florida that will agree with you that will agree with what this this Anonymous person FD said there's not one professional engineer not one yet the city of Titusville is a city that that is the only city in the world that sprays women people babies and everything with poop and all right you you'll clean that up I know okay I'll clean up piss and poop now excuse me who's wrong who's who's doing well you're wrong here's wrong let me ask you a question on this I'll let the clock run because we're talking about this this uh what's the problem you're talking about the area I got to go see what's it called again walking Mocking Bird Lane isn't that an area that you and uh the engineer from the other the people are having a lawsuit right now because I've said this about four different times well yes it is it certainly is I'm I'm trying repres City can't do anything right now anyway cuz you guys in litigation no you can you can certainly you can straighten it out you got liation there is a lawsuit going on right now between you and the engineer of the project thank you and uh no thank you for keeping the clock running while you were talking so you took my freedom of speech thank you any other card on that all right uh go ahead go move to approve Miss W to as an alternate member to the board of adjustments and appeals for an unexpired term to expire on July 31st 2026 second Motion in the second roll call vote mayor diesel yes vice mayor Robinson yes member stokel yes member Cole yes member Nelson yes it passes unanimously City Manager on to petitions and requests petitions and requests May yes you may I think that we need to watch our language in here because we have kids in here well even if we didn't have kid in here I mean if we didn't have kids in here it it's it's unfortunate that you have to go to those depths every time you get up to speak and every time you get up to speak you say the same thing on every item the last time you got stay in your seat the last time you got up you were supposed to be talking about boards and adjustments and you went back to the other thing that you spoke about before you need to stay on subject if you're going to get up and speak all right petitions or requests yeah you can use that one over there sure put the right one okay go ahead hi my name is lla um my my my mom um my mom and my family members are here um we're doing this thing called the beach cleanup and um I'm going to give you these posters is Flyers we would like to give you some flyers for the second for the second interal Sumer Beach cleanup it's on December 15 2024 at 300 p.m. on pl Play Beach they're surprises for the most trash to collect it we're doing this to honor my my mom's friend oh boy my my mom's friend had a name had a friend named Adam and he liked to surf in high school but he can't surf in anymore because he got really sick and now he does a trash pick up so we just wanted to um we've been doing my friend passed away last December and um for the memorial we got together for the the celebration of life got together and did a beach cleanup and so for the past year we've been going out and um doing a beach cleanup and they just absolutely love it um before the first time it was kind of like a chorge oh we can't be in the water we have to do a beach cleanup and now I don't have to say anything they just grabb their their bags and they head off we've seen some crazy what's the craziest thing we've ever seen at the beach or that you guys picked up a baby doll a baby doll leg baby doll leg a baby doll leg anything else that's been crazy um there was a uh the big tube like a big oil drum yeah oh yeah oh so um they really enjoy it so we just thought we'd um share it and invite you guys to come out or whoever to come out um to do a we're going to start annual annual thing so December 15th um with our friends and um Adam's family and that's it wow first of all congratulations on the effort and secondly for you guys to get up there and speak and the wine bottle oh oh now we know about it now we know well we thank you guys for your efforts and again thank you for coming here to speak and uh put that out there but uh I think the kids need to get up and everybody needs to give us their names oh yeah introduce themselves did could hardly hear my name's Emmy they're getting they're getting braver as the time goes on yeah my name is my name is Lila Grizzle my name is Theodore Grizzle that's awesome that's awesome stuff vice mayor no I was just taken with uh the family I love family and u i honor you and thank you for doing what you do and this is something obviously you know this this is something these kids will remember and carry with them uh generationally and that's just not that's a bright spot in the night that's for sure thank you thank you guys very much appreciate you guys I think it's a shame that I have to follow them yeah yeah I would too I love the city okay name and uh name and address for the record please oh Gary Miller 5536 River Oaks Drive perfect I live in Oak trails at Metal Ridge unfortunately Joe lives around the corner but I I accept that um I'm here because we have some things that are broke like every city does okay we have grown too quick too fast I have worked with Kevin C he's a good guy good guy okay uh but we have problems with the roads I got my taxes the other day and I looked at them now now we have just spent I don't know how much money Paving uh from uh 50 South on Barner all the way down to 405 okay and part of that those that's four lanes two lanes each side with a medium and the road before they paved it was like a roller coaster yeah okay was like a roller coaster now we just paved it okay now we have 53t tractor trailers going down that road and you know what happens I'm not I'm not an engineer but I'll tell you when that asphalt gets hot again we're going to be repaving that road so I what I what I wanted was a no truck sign and then of course Kevin corrected me said what about the trash trucks okay no trucks over five tons okay because we're going to redo that road in another year your tax dollars and my tax dollars okay that's a waste that is a waste okay it can be prevented these tractor trailers are taking the short cut down to 95 instead of going up to the highway 50 and 405 to go on the 95 they're coming through our neighborhoods tractor trailers 53f Footers with kids riding bicycles and all that's unacceptable okay unacceptable that's one you have an intersection at Bara and 50 one side has a turn signal the other side doesn't I have seen so many close called because the people are parked there in the turn lanane coming from the south on Bara when they see the people across from them start to turn they start out they don't have a turn signal no what in the whoever designed that well I've got I'm not going to say but uh he was an idiot he's an idiot okay the other thing someone needs to take a look there's a section uh right right next to CVS if you tried to turn right coming south air there's a dip this far off the asphalt no one planned to fill that in because there's three lanes there and they try to go around it and it's a drop off it's a simple fix it's a simple fix I know you know I I can work with Kevin okay I I think he's a very good man I think I don't okay we need to fix that and the thing is someone needs to look at your traffic lights because I've never seen 30 and 40 car cars at Knox McCrae and Bara in my life there's something wrong with our light system I said I love the city and these things can be fixed let me just say before you go because technically this is my last real meeting I just had that conversation and he's smiling over there because I just had that conversation with Kevin not long ago about how our lights are so out of syn and I come out of kilar go on to Highway 50 and can sit there 3 minutes yesterday and just another example we sat there three or four minutes and my wife finally said I'm backing up and turning right if when you got to do that it's wrong and what he told me is apparently it's controlled by a traffic group out of rockids whatever it is I agree and I I certainly hope that we can have some input because I I'm not sure we've had any input because we're still sitting at that light forever people get aggravated and make stupid decisions yeah that's exactly what happens exactly that can be fixed I agree with you thank you so much thank you good ins good insight stay Johnson again registered engineer uh thank you uh Mr Cole for your uh input and uh that's that's I appreciate it very much thank you guys um and we have children here and and that that's nice you know we uh but maybe I subjected in some some bad language but the thing is is that you guys are subjecting them to the sewage spray the piss and the poop no we're not oh you did no we're not you did so oh you never did it going to say at some point that the truth has to matter I'll just leave it at that okay let me tell you something I got I got my all day my car was covered with sewage I didn't plan it there to be covered with sewage covered with sewage fact is guess who took the picture of it covered with Su Jo derero Human Resources because when I took it to when I took my car to show it to Water Resources what they do they said stay out of here and they called the police on me so I got a I still have a have a trespass warrant at Water Resources Department so Mr for Mr Cole he was also like Robert Jordan at the health at at the Parish Hospital and as far as what did he do when I came up and asked for the for it to be turned off they wouldn't turn they wouldn't do anything and and so I don't know sure how you doing what you doing but on December 2020 is that we had sewage spray big sewage spray and it was being blown it being blown across the street according to people in Harbor Point they smelled it and they they had it on their on their houses people had it on their food it blew so it happened so Mr Diesel denies it Mr Diesel the coach big coach he must know what he's talking about well I would like you to go out to the river when the wind blows you'll see it blows terribly it blows almost like horizontal like that so that so what happened is I got sprayed with sewage other people got swet sprays and they came to May Diesel and at Council meetings they said hey we've got we've got we've got sore throats burning throats burning eyes burning ears vomiting diarrhea and what do you say what does Coach diesel say and everybody else say oh it never happened it never happened happened so Mr Diesel because he's mayor he can say this even though there's no truth to it whatsoever got going now yeah no truth to it at all because I saw it and so did Mr Klein so did la lee la lee is the one who brought me into on it she's the one who started complaining to city manager asking him to do it and he wouldn't turn it off but because he won't get a professional engineer to get their opinion on it none of you you will you still won't do it because you have a policy to spray to spray may I have extra time no thank you okay you're not welcome hi you I'm Elizabeth Baker I'm Titusville resident you still are I still am um it's your last meeting it is and I'm really sad about that because you've been one of the few people that I've seen throughout the entire County actually in positions of leadership that has spoken with people kindly and respectfully and I haven't always agreed with you but I have sincerely appreciated your cander your openness your willingness to meet with people and when you stood up with the people to defend our constitutional right to clean water that's the Legacy that I'm going to remember you on that's what I will always remember you for so thank you and I hope that the council members that will continue to be here will please uphold our constitutional right to clean water amen thank you thank you very much not to hear that after a long day I guess I just need to stop while I do go after hello hello I'm Vicki Conlin 2920 Royal o drive my question tonight is regarding the comprehensive plan and the future land use element so I would like clarification if policy 1.4.6 is still part of our law and that is that high density residential uses uh must exit or or can access a collector or arterial Street unless the property is located along the following local road which already has multif family development pattern such as rockpit Road I guess is the exception is that still part of our comp plan please if we're going to look over there I would say I know I'm looking over there with the experts is that still part of our comprehensive plan give me a confirmation on that I'm I'm I'm saying it is did that did I miss there's an interpretation I'm sure that what that what the number is it's 1.4.6 did that change and I missed it if you give me a moment I'll bring up our comprehensive plan yeah I don't think it's changed that's just uh obviously interpretation of every every this is part of the con plan that we've been talking about for months and that is because I know no and other areas but it's that if you have multif family it must access via arterial or collector road instead of a local Road as I understand it but when I sit here and don't have that in front of me I there to understand I understand I so the qu yes sir the question is is the future land use element policy 1.4.6 what does it say or is it still in the comprehensive plan is it still part of our comprehensive plan what you stated there is still a policy in our comprehensive plan it says specifically highdensity residential uses in quotations maximum 15 dwelling units per acre or mobile home shall consider existing and proposed land uses to ensure compatibility further such densities shall be located adjacent to at least at collector orial Street unless property is located along the following Road Local road which is already has a multif family development pattern and is capable of supporting higher density and that States rockpit road from Tropic Street to South Street so that's the policy inside the comprehensive plan thank you okay thank you I didn't think that I had missed that that had been I didn't either but I like you ref's asking it there's a question and it's really a critical thing because Apollo Gardens has been discussed for months and months and months we know that's at staff level and um yesterday they received a site development permit issued yesterday so I'd like to know why is that because the access is on demerit which is a local Road doesn't meet the requirement it's what we've been saying for months and months so how can that be legal to do that thank you for bringing that forward any answer well I I I think that basically that's going to go into the the next Council so I mean it is a comprehensive plan um and I can't tell you I I don't know what they've got I don't know about their site plan so for me to answer that would be facts are important and I don't have those facts do Mr broom answer that is that a violation so I don't have that's so everybody wants to pass it off no it's not a pass it on if I don't have the side plan I can't tell you what's happened between today and what you just told me I can tell you the comprehensive plan is a comprehensive plan what's happened with the site plan and what negot what happened there I don't know so I mean I I don't have that so that would be something I'd want to follow up if I were you that office I will because that's a good question anyone else city manager we are on consent we have items a through Q uh city council do you want to have any questions to staff on consent items a through Q I see none city council would you like to pull any items of consent for further discussion I see none clerk are there any cards for consent a through Q two cards mayor I'd like to read the titles for the record thank you consent agenda item 8A accept the award of Firehouse Subs Public Safety Foundation Grant award consent agenda item 8B approve the final contract for asset operations and management software solution consent agenda item 8 C accept the change order to the Florida of Department of Environmental Protection Grant forward for resiliency Florida planning Grant consent agenda item 8D authorize the purchase of fire department self-contained breeding apparatus cylinders consent agenda item 8e approve the First Amendment to the master software license agreement contract with Cameo Technologies consent agenda item 8f approve the amendment of The Master software license agreement with neogov power DMS consent agenda item 8G approved the master software license agreement for Tyler technology software Master service agreement consolidation and upgrade consent agenda item 8h approve the amendment two for agreement 22 fp99 between the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and the City of Titusville consent agenda item 8 I approve the contract for roadway Paving and patching Services consent agenda item 8j approve the collective bargaining agreement between the I local 2445 in the city of Titusville consent agenda item 8 K approv the water and sewer service agreement for partial 21 3520 00750 consent agenda item 8 L approve resolution number 11 2024 with resolution 2024 to include the construction of a light vehicle maintenance and administrative Fleet Services building and the associated site preparation consent agenda item 8 hang on here m approve the final ranking for marketing and public relations services for the city of contract T Titusville Economic Development Department consent agenda item 8 n approve Contracting Services for online payment processing service contract consent agenda item 80 approve the FEMA Grant Consulting service Disaster Recovery consultant Services consent agenda item 8p approvement approve Amendment Three to the state revolving fund loan for the Indian River Force main project consent agenda item 8 Q approve the memorandum of understanding with the north Bart Economic Development Zone to implement real estate software re simplify Council anything city clerk what uh what items do each person I'd like to know what what they're going to speak on um Tony shiff is item 8 m m all right Tony Shi oh hi Tony good evening Shi the historic Norwood house marketing and the pr job for years the tree team has been advocating hire an arborist so that our dwindling tree canopy might be offered some protection in the planning stages nothing somebody complains they can't find the answers to some of their concerns and some council member sits up here and says oh let's hire a p and next meeting or so you jump on it and here you are awarding $89,950 to a PR firm from celebration a madeup city not even in bravard County are there no Pros in Melbourne for instance or even maybe little Mims that could to the Wonders and joys and the information our Citizens need miss stokel about Titusville that we hire a firm from celebration a madeup city next C uh next one uh Stan Johnston he wants to speak on C d g h l o and P he'll be all Place yeah good luck hit them all go St Johnston this has nothing to do with sewage okay uh but U so I I have some comments about these I'll never have enough time to do it but but I'm disappointed that uh for example on item l l this is consent order and it's for a million 1, 315,000 I'm not sure that it's appropriate to be in the consent uh especially when it's a bonding and bonding is the the experience that city of tville had has had some hores and other other uh government agency have hores with bonding because it's uh and in in some cases it's even cheaper just to get a loan from the bank so um um I know that uh when Bard County wanted to do some bonding is that they had all kind of bonding agents uh bringing U the commissions and so forth along places to you know uh lavish restaurants and so forth so U there's a lot of profit in in these bonding a agencies as compared to some other uses so I have questions about L um the um um I think that the 425,000 for the for the roadway is is very good very good I know that Mr Mr cook can can manage that very well he's done that for many years has been very well managed so that's fantastic um G is um title Technologies a half million dollars I just wondered and this is this is um uh required documents upon review and approval it just seems like this has got to be uh just read tape or or something I mean sometimes people sell software for uh that that we don't use it that's almost ridiculously ridiculous because like for example this thing that the uh planning department is going to get it's not shown on here but it's I just don't see how it's going to it's going to G gain anything uh on C uh it says compuls com comprehensive vulnerability assessment adaptation plan and so forth $135,000 well the thing is is the city has big time uh ignoring problems with we have for example in the storm water management plan it's no it's not being done right freshwater management study is is void voided by the Gin hburg principle it's not not valid in the city of Titusville and so we have all area area of area of critical concerns that are completely wrong we have flood zones that are wrong and we have no drainage uh maintenance to the St John's river so we've got a lot of problems that we just not even that we're completely ignoring un like more time please I see n but I do want to sayd I do want to say good job you're on topic you hit everyone that you were talking about I appreciated that thank you okay I supported you for County Commissioner because you were the best candidate thank you you still are I appreciate you thank you for staying on topic um okay member Nelson move to approve consent agenda items a through Q second I have a motion and a second roll call vote vice mayor Robinson yes member stokel yes member Cole yes member Nelson yes mayor diesel yes consent agenda passes unanimously um some good points made I thought but uh passes unanimously uh city manager we are on 9A which is ordinance number 41 2024 trading Services cleanup ordinance the City attorney will read the ordinance for the record and this is the second reading and final public hearing on this ordinance ordinance number 41 2024 an ordinance of the city of Titusville Florida amending the city's Land Development regulations by amending section 28 203 building Trade Services C standards for permitted uses with limitations to incor orate amendments approved by ordinance 30 2022 and ordinance 29 2023 providing for severability repeal of conflicting ordinances effective date and incorporation into the code on October 2nd 2024 the Planning and Zoning commission recommended approval 60 the city adopted building and Trade Services ordinance number 30 2022 to expand zoning districts where building Trade Services could be established while drafting a separate PID white chaffy ordinance number 29 2023 to address development along White Drive and chaffy drive staff used an incorrect version of the code which had not yet reflected in the adopted building and Trade Services ordinance this draft ordinance proposes to correct which were inadvertently added or removed in error to provide internal consistency and to enhance the usability of the code Mr parish is here to answer any questions that you have this is the public hearing for ordinance number um 41224 Mr Paris so this is the second your of two public hearings I presented a little bit of this your last public hearing and um the to the the strike through underlined version is on page 567 of your packet and that's really the meat of this particular ordinance and you'll see the changes that we're proposing well that'll try to answer any questions you have anything from Council this looks like a cleanup is is what it amounts to there there's not a lot of technicalities here uh call card one car to Stan Johnston buildings Trade Services cleanup okay this is it's no should be no surprise that I'm speaking on this because I'm working with planning and Land Development about problems that they have that they need to clean up this is one of many and there are much larger ones than this that need to be cleaned up so I won't go into it much but but the thing is is that we have horrible and erroneous uh regulations in the city of Titusville that are illegal and what's going on like for example the the uh the the plan for putting Dam s in the city of Titusville they're all illegal they're all illegal and it's been that way for since 1985 1985 and they're all illegal okay you know and and and Mr Diesel knows about the dam that flood Baker subdivision it's illegal it's taking a property without due process thank you thank you Stan uh any no other cards yes um member Nelson move to approve ordinance number 41 2024 building Trade Services clean up second I have a motion in a second roll call vote member stokel yes member Cole yes member Nelson yes mayor diesel yes vice mayor Robinson yeah passes unanimously uh we go to B city manager uh item 8 b or correction 9B is ordinance number 42224 uh City attorney will read the outdoor storage cleanup ordinance and this is the second reading and final public hearing of this ordinance ordinance number 42 2024 an ordinance of the city of Titusville Florida amending the city's Land Development regulations by amending section 2854 use table and section 28151 outdoor storage a districts where permitted to correct amendments approved by ordinance 25 2020 and providing for severability repeal of conflicting ordinances effective date and incorporation into the code on October 2nd 2024 the Planning and Zoning commission recommended approval 60 in 2020 the city adopted a cleanup ordinance to correct discrepancies in the zoning code use tables for primary uses staff has discovered inconsistency with the larger use tables contained in section 2854 and the individual use standards in sections 28151 outdoor storage in an effort to correct the errors in ordinance number 25 2022 staff has reviewed the use table and use standards table for internal consensuses and correctness based on staff analysis previous code versions and existing code language this draft ordinance proposes Corrections which were inadvertently added or removed in error to provide internal consistencies and to enhance the usability of the code Mr parish is here this is your public hearing on ordinance number 42 2024 vice mayor no no okay any questions Council anything you want to add or pretty much similar to the last one it's the same as last time I'm just going to point out page 582 and 588 you'll see the strike through underline changes it's a simple cleanup that's correct all right just so you know that the outdoor storage use um in some zoning districts is considered to be can be allowed as a primary use and in some zoning districts it only can be an accessory to an other use and this ordinance is to clarify that okay thank you cards one card Stan Johnson uh Stan Johnson veteran and uh former professional engineer and and also registered land surveyor for Bard County and city of Titusville U I'm speaking against speaking about this in similar to what what I just spoke about is that we have a horribly messed up Community Development land planning and Community Development and I've repeatedly shown and you can't get a professional engineer to disagree with me our freshwater management study is completely wrong our area of critical concern is completely wrong we have numerous erors in our flood zone elevations it's completely wrong city of Titusville has lost their records or destroyed their records they've destroyed their records on dams and so forth when they approve the dam at the at the senior center there's no calculations for at all no calculations listen what I say no calculations we have got big problems that you are ignoring and disusing so this is just one of many this is the tip of the iceberg that you guys are not listening to and you're spitting on me you're spitting on my profession you're not listening to me and I have no respect for you on these matters thank you any other cards member Nelson move to approve ordinance number 42 2024 outour storage cleanup second have a motion in second roll call vote member Cole yes member Nelson yes mayor diesel yes vice mayor Robinson yes member St yes passes unanimously City Manager on to item 10A which is ordinance number 45 2024 Consolidated fees for development applications and legal advertising ordinance the City attorney will read for the record City attorney hold on that before you do that I'm going to at least express my uh opinion or concern um this is the last meeting for this Council and uh this is one and I've kind of already expressed it I don't feel like we should be doing first readings because the next Council will get the second reading I feel like if if the um matter of fact on two of the first readings I've got a bunch of information which is very valuable information and the uh topic is affidavit for Willow Creek CDC and Willer Creek CDC boundary Amendment that's real important information it's a first reading I get that there'll be no action taken but this is what should be handed to the next Council in first reading as they prepare to make a vote at the second reading I don't know why we would do this um so I'm simply going to say and it's uh my opinion and i' um be glad to see it come to a vote when Lose or Draw I feel like um again uh Stan pointed out very accurately that I'm a coach I don't understand why you'd have one staff coach the first half and another staff come in and Coach the second half so I'm not trying to be over uh reticent here but I feel like that there is information handed us right now that it's not going to do me any good um U there's I won't be part of this uh procedure so uh I just feel like a first reading should go with a second reading on the same Council it's a very odd meeting time I realize that this is a one and only meeting where you could have you know something like this a first reading for one Council the second reading for a different Council and it's the same topic so that's my feeling and I would like to hear member stoko yep uh I had expressed the same in my briefing as well I was like oh this is interesting first reading and you know I'll be going in but I I said there's going to be two new people in Council that they're coming in at for the second reading um and I don't know if staff wants to chime in on this or not I think that uh there's a couple things that we can do we could go ahead and have the first reading and at the second reading that council at that time um I feel like if there's any the the new council members either of the two that say you know I need more time or information we could table it at that point um I don't know if they're time sensitive my biggest thing is for the new council members to make sure they have adequate time now I do know we get briefings prior so I feel like staff would be able to give them this packet and information prior but to your point yeah I I thought it was a little weird because it does two members up here no good to really hear a first reading um because it's not applicable to them at the next meeting so I could go either way my biggest my biggest thing would be that I want the two new council members to feel comfortable that they have had access to the information and everything to be able to vote and if not we either change it now or we could table it at the next meeting so in we would H be hearing it twice then at that point for the new Council so I I could go either way I had stated and would State further that I I don't feel there should on a meeting that's going to be the last coun this Council will never be together again there should be no first readings for our Council in that situation out out of deference for the fact that I won't be here for the second reading and out of uh deference uh for the respect to the two that will be coming on um this obviously you know it's I get that this is a a wonderful document and it's real important and normally i' go through it with a fine tooth comb and read about it but clearly this is not something that is is my decision anymore so I just that's just me and and and I uh I just feel like that's there it shouldn't even be there so we'll leave it leave it at that and let me hear some more people member Cole well I agree with uh Mr Mayor because the fact that the new Council will be swor in on the same day that they have the meeting they will have not have an opportunity to meet with staff prior to that so I I think that makes what you're saying Mr Mayor even more important that I would I would hate coming in uh two weeks from the night and having a second reading when I'm not even you know I'm not up to speed on on what's going on so well when I got the hand out and I'm seeing what this is I'm thinking even more so I I see at least a member out there that would take this home and do I would do with it right now read it and read it well technically they can't do that just yet so I'm just feeling again first readings should never be on the last meeting uh Council scheduled but that being said I want to defer to the new Council and give the respect to those folks who stepping up and getting ready to go um I'm not trying to create a problem here it just makes no sense to me so uh any member Nelson well I sort agree with Sarah in that if they don't feel comfortable voting on it at the next meeting then yeah at that point I think should put in that position we shouldn't put them in a position of are you comfortable or you not even though we already had the first reading and you guys are only getting half of what we normally get how comfortable are you I that's just me I tend to agree with you I think my issue is we probably all found out about this but when it was too late um because I had my briefing yesterday so I didn't realize this was an issue so my only concern with that is now since we are in this situation one I want to make sure we're not in the situation again moving forward is I don't know what's been communicated to the applicants that are part of this and if they are time sensitive that would be my only issue and I I want to say that they will be able to meet prior even though they're not sworn in yet I could I don't know Scott if do will they have briefings before being sworn in oh absolutely okay yeah and I will tell you 10A is not time sensitive the the CDD one had uh advertising requirements that were how many months along it was okay six months or so for advertising so so 10A then I feel like we could defin if it's not time sensitive definitely move and then um you said what about B and C yeah B and C you said six months the reason that's on there is because the advertising requirement for a CDD is different than our normal advertising requirements Richard can help the attorney for that item is here if you'd like to hear from him I would like to hear maybe from the applicant to see if it's time sensitive or can we move it to the next meeting and have the first reading and then I I just find it odd that a new Council would start off with any second readings how do I meane with you it's like starting again I can't help but use an analogy that I use you're going into the game in the second half first half is the first reading and we've gotten in I guess we've been doing this for eight years and it's a routine first reading get you know get the information get familiar with it you know maybe somebody speaks maybe they don't but we don't do anything second reading he even said earlier on one of the things he says I went over this at the first reading yep you know so you've already got that information so I I think for if if they're that unimportant why do we even do them I mean I hate to say it but we're making it like no big deal don't need a first reading so um I'll just leave it at that and um member stoko you're laid up but I guess you're done I just I'd like to hear from the applicant because that would be ideal is to go ahead and move it that item's not up yet I I would deal with a first and then you can deal with b and then C oh well then if do we have any cards on a then if not I I would make that motion to we do have one card well I don't want to get into the first readings or ask our applicants or anything I just want to say are we going to table it or not if we're not bring them up let's go if we table it we don't have to take a card right what I'm say right what I'm saying is we need to deal with each item separately so first you're going to deal with item a I would move to table item 10 a to our next city council meeting second I have a uh Motion in a second to table we're going I would denounce the date and time of November 26th I think it is at 6:30 I have a motion and a second to table 10A first reading 10A to the times and dates stated roll call vote member Nelson yes mayor diesel yes vice mayor Robinson yes member stokel yes member Cole yes table on to 10B this is uh ordinance number 46 2024 Willow Creek CDD I'm looking for the same thing but I can't make a motion member Nelson oh we well I thought we were going to she said we got to we got to do all of them separate so I think for this one we wanted to hear from the applicant that's here before we did that one I if I may please um I didn't get a chance to speak on the other one and when I went through this uh I agree that uh this doesn't need to come before us uh and uh it should be way because all of the information is going to be discussed I agree and um the new um C3 and new mayor needs to hear this so they can be informed and it would be a good experience for them as well absolutely Y and again this shouldn't be in my hand it should be in the next council's hand so um I'm not sure um member Nelson go ahead I was gonna say I think member stug wanted to hear from the applicant yeah I'm inclined to table I just want to make sure it do I get that but I'm not sure if what I'm looking to do here is more a procedural thing I don't feel like there should be a uh any first readings whoever is whatever the situation is whoever the applicant is right um and not go pick and choose applicant by applicant dep Depending on time sensitivity I'm thinking more about the future Council about they're not going to have a first reading if we talk to the applicant and say oh yeah okay I get it well let's go ahead and have it uh I think a first reading should should I said this before and I've said it to staff I don't think first reading should be on the last meeting of a council um I think the and and second readings shouldn't be on the first meeting of a council they should get to start the game at the beginning and go to the end in this case if we don't do that I think procedurally it's it's not the way it should go and I don't want to say incorrect because clearly I guess it can go that way I just think it's flawed I no I I agree and I guess for me it's we are already in the situation um and I wish we weren't but since the applicant is here it would help me just feeling more comfortable about tabling it to make sure I have all the information and facts so I just would like to hear from them just to say hey we're planning to table it is there anything that we need to be aware of as a council before we do it that would be my request I will say we can hear the applicant and I'm going to say that that will is not part of my decisionmaking thought okay because I don't care what it is there shouldn't be a first reading when I'm not going to be here for the second fair and I'll just say one more way that I understand it best they're going to let me coach the first half and then I'm out of the game yep so uh call it the uh call it the applicant I'm not normally this reticent but this one kind piss me off thank you mayor council members Roy van white with kinsky Van white on behalf of the petitioner I'm here for 10B and 10 C what we're doing is trying to just bifurcate the lands that are within the current District I've had the privilege of ex uh representing that district for since 2005 since it was created I've been their Council so um what we're asking I understand your predicament I you know I I have to Advocate on behalf of my clients and ask that we have first reading because on the second reading on November 26 we do have a publication that's already run for a public hearing we're going to have a full public hearing on the 26th as council member stated we could also continue that public hearing to a date further down the road if those other council members did have um an issue or a question that they needed further clarification on we do have staff recommendation for approval on first reading I would throw that out there uh you do have professional staff um have gone through the petition the petition is relatively straightforward it has exhibits that every petition has and um to the extent that I could ask you to approve it on first reading I'll do that and if not we will we'll do what this Council recommends and the and whatever your determination is we'll work with the Council on that I just want to let you know we don't vote on first readings when you so you talked about approval on first readings we do not vote on first readings well um if we could move it forward for Ward I would I would appreciate that so um we really do need to keep this moving forward government does still need to grind grind forward every day um I understand that there's a change I I didn't I wasn't aware of it till I got here um if there's any possibility that we can do this this is straightforward um Community Development District petition it has all the exhibits that were required of IT staff has recommended approval we can do a full public hearing on the 26th if you indulge me on that thank you mayor I'm I appreciate it I'm speak speak for 10 a and 10 B just to take and and for your side of things I I hate that you're caught in the middle of this because uh I will be I made it as clear as I can anybody wants to listen I don't think first reading should be here I'm not going to be here for the second reading and and all this stuff that I just got which is really good doesn't mean anything to me I'm out of here and it means something to other people I understand mayor I'm all right I just again I appreciate it thank you just your uh you know advocating on behalf of my clients so thank you all right member Cole I move that we table B and C to November 26 at 6:30 second okay I'm a motion and a second roll call vote mayor diesel yes vice mayor Robinson yes member stokel yes member Cole yes member Nelson yes tables I'm sorry about that this I I I think I made that as clear as I could previously so no no no no no I I it really truly it could have been anybody else sitting out there I I think that the procedure is a procedure and it's just my feeling that the next Council deserves the respect to have the first reading as well as the second reading and have this handed to them like I did so that's more what this is about it's got nothing to do with you I I I'm sure it'll be I say it's a great project I'll probably get in trouble for that so I'll just leave it so all right City Manager on to item 12a which is disposition of surplus properties for affordable housing the donation of 701 Lucky Street 915 kennworth Court 504 rodrik a Harris senior Avenue and 706 Rodney Rod rodri a Harris Senor Avenue on 11 April 2023 city council will approve divisibility to develop an affordable housing Property Disposition I program as a result the neighborhood services department compiled a list of city-owned properties suitable for affording affordable housing with the adoption of resolution 26 2023 this list is posted on the city's website Department web page and is included in the annual housing incentive plan on 13 September 2024 the neighborhood services director received a proposal from the community or Community of Hope Incorporated seeking the donation of four city-owned Surplus prop properties for the sole purpose of creating affordable housing units The Proposal outlines options for home ownerships and Rental opportunities based on need staff has re viwed the proposal and supports the organizational request and desire to expand affordable um home ownership ship and Rental opportunities in Titusville staff recommends the approval of the disposition of the requested Surplus properties to Community of Hope incorporated as outlined in their proposal Terry's here to answer questions that you may have and I think um Community of Hope representatives are here as well perfect um what you got for us I have nothing to add right now um okay if you have any questions and go ahead uh my guy who would know all the answers right here is gonna ask a question I I know the property all these single family unit properties yes they will be all single family homes all be single family homes and uh they meet the uh the criteria for uh width and depth um each uh property to give you an example the list um most of the properties are standard size we do have one um well actually two of them are smaller than normal but they're in the um you correct me if I'm wrong in the Target area where we do have some uh flexibilities in the codes that we've done for um that particular area um well uh when this is Brad can help this uh in those two uh properties that are smaller uh will they I know that we were trying to get some information or trying to change some things where we can make some exceptions for the the size of the lot and whether the sidewalk goes in will these uh properties fall into that to help the developer you know I'm you know what I'm yes there are so you asked there's two parts of your question there one is the zoning a few months ago the council approved uh direction for us to come up with some changes to code for to allow some flexibility designed within existing zoning districts we have a draft doesn't specifically address these particular zoning districts these single family ones but if that's something the city council wants us to do we can't expand and propose something um otherwise if right now the way the code is written uh the flexibility um is the variances if they're they're significant correct the code does allow some administrative approvals for um encroachments into setbacks if necessary up to a certain point and then beyond that then it's a variance okay um the other question about sidewalks there's an existing regulation and criteria the city has to address requests for w to sidewalks okay thank you all righty that's that's okay um you have cards I'm sure but I'd like to hear from the I don't know if we call them applicants or how we do this that's what I want to hear from Hello thank you for letting me come up and speak I'm Drew Warren I'm CEO of Community of Hope and uh I don't happen to be a resident of Titusville but Kayla Manning is also here on behalf of Community of Hope and she is um we're excited about this this is an opportunity to do something where we're not just doing a rental that we're actually expanding into some home ownership and getting people who would normally be priced out of the out of the uh rent out of the home ownership Market out of rental freeing those units for other people who are more in need of rental units and I think that's a that's kind of that that flow we need to have is out of rental and into home ownership and allowing uh people to to have a pathway uh to starting to build some equity and that kind of thing this a really exciting opportunity and we really appreciate uh you all letting us come up and and present this so I'm here to answer any questions you've got I gonna say me member Nelson I just need or member Nelson how did you know that I mean how' you know that I don't I was looking for you was I drew I think it would help um for members of the community that aren't really familiar with this how it's going to work so in reality it's not any different than than land given to a h Habitat for Humanity um there is a land use restriction that will be put in place for 20 years of affordability so you are guaranteed of 20 years of affordability but in addition we're guaranteeing through a land lease to allow these lands to be to permanently serve um for any of those that are that are purchased to permanently serve people who are in need of of affordable housing so it's basically ensuring that there's always an opportunity to do affordable home ownership that so okay explain that a little further sure so if we do uh the if we do develop the property for home ownership they will own the the property they will own the housing they will lease the land at $25 a month a a token fee to make sure that the it's basically to allow that land to remain affordable and the really the only thing that that land lease does is guarant guarantee that if they ever resell it they sell it to someone else who is also in that uh same bracket of of need whatever that uh uh income percentage is I appreciate that problem I heard some Rumblings of oh we're we're giving people things yeah yeah so I wanted to make sure that people understood this is similar to Habitat but it has to stay affordable it's the same model as habitat with the exception of the permanent affordability okay uh vice mayor no I I think he finally hit on what I was going to say is it's always been that if you build something affordable it has to stay in long as under the affordability period it has to stay family can sell it but they still have to sell it to someone that's in the same uh uh economic situation but with this this puts an extra lead on the land in which it sets on correct very good any other things from councel call card um Tony Sho thank you very much thank you thank you ow Sho Tropic Street um I had something else prepared to say but I I'm really kind of concerned right now so a a poor family or a m to low income family buys buys this property and for 99 years there's a covenant that means that it's got to be sold to other low or mid-income how does a family build any kind of wealth I bought a house at a low price and was the prices went up now I'm going to sell it and I'm going to make a big profit how will these people do that if if if I'm a low-income person and I can only sell it to a low mid- income I'm not building any kind of generational wealth so that's my problem with that and now um you want to use my time I I don't think that was the intent of this particular property but um go ahead I'm sure that's not the intent I'm sure that's not the intent the uh the property will go up in value it just won't increase in value as much as some other properties but the property will go up in value so there's no advantage to a midin or a low low to mid-income family buying property these properties with the hopes of building any kind of wealth um but that's not what I came up here to say I came up to say that two of the four properties are in the poorest District in town according to the 2020 census and it's admirable of the city to donate unused and fairly unemp properties to this nonprofit they've built in this neighborhood before and U from the outside it's a good infill design I like it it looks good it adds to the neighborhood I don't know about the people living in it but that's you know it's looks good and um now they want to build single family homes or duplex units they did put in for duplex units although they're talking single family homes my concern is the vacant land surrounding these giveaway Lots you know that they're not isolated it's not an it's not a lot a house the empty lot and another house it's an empty lot an EMP that one you're going to give away and Another Empty lot especially in my neighborhood um so what if Community of Hope manages to snag those properties too giving them a greater area will they increase the number of units instead of building a single family home or a duplex are they now going to do like the town homes you built over there six units along One Way four units along another will they increase the units the current muu zoning allows this according to rad so this is the beginning of the tsunami of gentrification that's coming to my neighborhood West Titusville and um I like the idea of giving property to groups that will infill with Consciousness and but I don't like the idea of a family buying the home and not being able to build generational wealth thank you good points well thought out resp yeah please oh we'll let you respond please thank you very much really good questions and the answer is when you resell it you will resell it at the appraised value the so it will continuously go up and you won't ever resell lower than the appraised value so as it increases in in value the homeowner gets there gets the equity that would build up with that the difference is the cost of the land is no longer factored into that number one number two if there are any funds that are put in public funds or Grant funds that are put in they stay with the house so that comes off the top even for the next person who buys it so they build up the equity they still get the generational wealth build up but they get the decreased cost to even the next uh person so so let's say you have the value of the land is $100,000 and you have $50,000 in grant money is in it or whatever that 150 comes off not just now but comes off in perpet in perpetuity so that 150 you know right now might take the house down from 300 to $150,000 to the to the purchaser but in the future when it's up to 600 now that person now the next family is buying it at 450 instead of so you see what I'm saying they continuously get the buildup of equity but also have the the value of the land and the monies that are put into the house taken off the top good you're welcome thank you good point there Tony really was um anything any other card yes um Stan Jus is the last card Stan Johns I'm not against this um but I want to note that we've had some serious problems in the past with this kind of stuff the serious problem I'm talking about is that uh the city of Titusville put up for sale uh a number of properties that were unsuitable they didn't do it once they did it again and again and again how do I know this because I saw it happen and I told the city about him I told him the city about hey you know there's a huge huge when we had the Titusville Improvement program in the 60s and 70s is we we put in huge drain culs in there and easements and so forth and grain C without easements through properties that then we sold to people and then they couldn't use them well they we put them up for sale they couldn't use them so I called I called called The Water Resources said Hey listen why don't you go ahead and do what you're supposed to do and show and and have an easement on the property oh yeah we'll do it they didn't do it years later I said well why don't you do oh we we'll do it well the thing is is then they complain that they complain this is this is something is that is that it cost so much money to have our surveyor do it think what in the world are you crazy so what right now is we have a building right now put up in the city tville right on top of drain Pike okay I don't think it's going to be these are going to be problems but I'm just letting you know is that this is a problem the city of tville is sometimes a do nothing City do nothing and they and they have done it not once or twice but repeatedly the same errors so thank you thanks Dan all right go l moveed to approve the disposition of surplus properties for affordable housing um of 701 Lucky Street 915 klew worth Court 504 rodri a Harris Senor Avenue and 706 rodri a harrow senior Avenue to Community of Hope second you're also going to be authorizing the execution of the property donation agreement the land use restriction agreement in the form of special warranty deed what he said correct yes thank you member Nelson for the motion and um Herman member Cole second we got a motion in a second roll call vote vice mayor Robinson yes member stoko yes member Cole yes member Nelson yes mayor dies yes pass unanimously thank you guys appreciate what you're doing I mean uh you guys could stay busy for five lifetimes trying to fix all that uh city manager we are on 12b which is a Community Development Personnel request this request was originally submitted with the FY 25 budget but was deferred due to budget constraints the city of Titusville is experiencing delays related to the review of site plans the city's code states that the review of a Class 2 site plan should be completed in 30 days the current average to complete a single review is 50 days in addition to the average number of review use per site plan is three which equates to a significant delay in permitting and potential cost to the applicants the primary bottleneck is the review of tree mitigation and Landscape plans staff has exhausted all options including internal reassignments of Duties staff is requesting uh that you approve an FY 25 budget by adding one full-time equivalent employee to the Community Development Department using general funds and building funds unassigned balance and approve the associated budget amendment Brad's here to answer any questions that you may have and we identified this on our performance metrics we've seen a trend um happening over the uh last three quarters where it's taking us longer on each due to the workload we uh attempted to hire an AI company that failed and so we're coming back saying we are we definitely need this U extra employee to start helping us with review times I'm absolutely for uh anything that will increase or decrease I should say our turnaround time on these I think that's maybe one of the biggest concerns I hear about when I'm in groups or or listening um so that that is a problem um now are we getting this because it's a new position because I know you don't come to us when you hire somebody new you you were you approved this during the budget process and you deferred it until midy year so what we're asking you to do is move it now to now instead of waiting to midye to re-evaluate that okay like generally speaking it's very rare we and I I recall what you're saying but it's very rare we have to approve a position but this is one we put in the budget so okay um Brad anything member Cole I just want to say I want to compan them for using that Matrix system because I saw it and it showed the number of days number of days number of days that took for you to complete the site planning and then all of a sudden there was that Spike you know by keeping those records it helps you stay on top of it and understand the where the bottleneck is and to try to make it better I commend you on that M stokel yep member Cole just stole what I was going to say but no I commend it because I know that you guys do a lot to track your performance and to me this is making a data ined decision we we saw an issue and you guys came up with a solution and it it just makes sense and I appreciate that okay nothing else from Council call the card we have two cards Tony chiffo Tony Sho Cas is not going to like this but I'm going to speak for the tree team from the heart from the report the primary bottleneck is the review of tree mitigation and Landscape plans the staff has exhausted all options including the internal reassignment of Duties and is still not happening so for years the tree team has been advocating to hire an arborist so that our dwindling tree canopy might be offered some protection in the planning stages is imagine that a planner with an arborous mind and heart may I suggest you strongly consider a candidate with an arborous background in training it would really help staff with decisions on tree mitigation and Landscaping to have a real expert on staff it's so simple wow that would be so cool and Kay would be so happy Tony Tony Tony Tony yes sir I'm GNA miss your presentations just so you know I'll come to some football games for you hey I I'll have to turn the TV on and just take a look at you yeah I'm not gonna be quiet I'm sorry thank you Tony see Tony what I what I'm watching now make sure you're getting all this stuff in you are something all right uh next card Stan Johnston Stan you can't STP maybe I tell you is this is I'm very much for hiring someone let's say let's hopefully to get someone qualified it's slow I've seen some horror stories what Water Resources has done they they have a position open and they have candidates and they pick the candidate that is seems to have the less experience and everything like that a horrible choice they could have got the same a good person for the for the same same price and yet they they got somebody and and there's there's reasons for doing that there can be reasons like you know if I hire this guy he's going to take my job he's qualified so so we're dumbing down in some ways and I've seen it it's been horrible here in the city ties horrible right now I'm looking at this project SNJ Oaks and I reviewed plans and so forth this is the worst plan I've ever seen in my life and the reason it's the worst plan is because I would have if now reviewing that I would talk to the owner and say this guy doesn't know what he's doing I see still right there on the plan right now there's over 50 problems basic fundamental problems on that site plan just crazy absolutely crazy that these guys still don't recognize for example the survey is completely wrong and it's still approved so we need help we need help big time I cannot believe what the city's doing I mean it's as if they have no one experience at all on what they're doing I'm I'm giving an example SJ Oaks I can't believe it I mean they approve a survey that they know is wrong it's been disapproved by the state board and they still approve it it's a joke so there's delays not just because of trees delays because they don't know what they're doing some of them just really don't know what they're doing I'm talking about Brad because he's done some horrible things as far as for example that I talk you about the um drainage and so forth and lack of of uh all kinds of things so the city of tville needs to straighten up and I I support this thank you any of the cards yes sir um member Nelson well I was kind of sprad a question first but then I'll make a certainly motion don't we have some Marist in the planning department we have two people who are certified armorers what this will do is allow us not specifically to hire Arbor obviously if that someone's qualified and they come in that'll be great but if not it allows us the flexibility to be able to relieve those particular ARS that we have on staff to be able to do some different types of work right now we are at um we we've exhausted all avenues as far as the Distributing work we have people right now who are should be doing one thing but are being pulled into other things because of the amount of work that's necessary to do some of these site reviews okay um so I would move to approve the addition of approve the fiscal year 25 budget by adding one new full-time employee in the Community Development Department using general fund and building fund unassigned fund balance and approve the associated budet Bud Amendment second got a motion in a second roll call vote member stule yes member Cole yes member Nelson mayor diesel yes vice mayor Robinson yes passes unanimously City Manager on to 12C which resolution 21224 authorizing an increase in and providing for a 10-year term under the master lease purchase agreement pursuant to resolution 1023 on October 8th 2024 the city council approved the purchase of two new fire trucks and Associated equipment with a dollar amount not to exceed $2,170 th000 the city now desires to increase the original authorized amount for the line of credit of $10 million to 12, 500,000 including the issuance of $111,000 for the purpose of purchasing the two new fire trucks and Associated equipment uh approved in October 24 and increased the payment terms to 10 years staff's recommending that you approve resolution 21220 4 authorizing an increase in the Master Lease line of credit not to exceed $12,500,000 and authorizing a supplemental term sheet to include a 10-year option which would allow for financing of two fire trucks issuance cost and improve the associated budget amendments all right Council nothing there nothing there yeah okay uh call the card one card Stan Johnston oh that's where you're going to say pass I thought Stan Johnson you're not going to like what you hear from me on this issue I'm having trouble with the fire department big time I call them up they don't respond they said I have a meeting with you they don't respond let me give you an example of our fire department so same project SNJ Oaks it says on the on the on one sheet it says minimum required width for a fir Tru the city of Titusville is 20 ft okay so what do they do for Mocking Bird Lane in August 2021 they approved for several for at least two houses right there existing plus other properties 8 foot not 20 ft 8 foot wide that's what the fire department approved August so later on after August of uh 21 they said well we'll change it to 10t so they changed it to 10t for Mocking Bird Lane where they have you know this has been this has been actually accessed as far as what I measured the area was 26 ft wide 20ft wide apron built there when I owned a property and I approved it so the city city Mr Mayor point of order go ahead I'm not sure what that has to do with approving the purchase of two fire trucks okay can you stop the clock when we're doing that go ahead I'm asking a question yeah I know but the thing is is that answer the question St all right all right I I'll answer the question but I'd like it it wouldn't be nice to stop the clock so I can answer your question instead of proceeding go I don't think I should use my time but I I I will answer your question because the people I believe who are handling this in the fire department has seemed like they I'm trying to show you they have not shown a lick of sense that's what I want to show you but I still don't know what that has to do with purchase of fire trucks that's exactly what do because it seems like they spend a lot of money and they're doing a lot of things and they don't seem like to know what and that's what I'm telling you about okay we got that okay now what did it did you stop the clock well you're saying no you didn't you have something new to say no you didn't I'm supposed to have some freedom of speech here you are you speaking keep going no you're going to cut me off no keep so the thing is is right now is is that here's what the fire chief tells me he says state code is 12T wide yeah city code is 20 ft wide so what are we going to do we're going to put 10 ft wide where it used to be I have an cleared area of 26 ft that's the relocation that is complete nonsense by John hes complete nonsense okay so I'm telling you this this may be complete nonsense also do we really need this that's exactly the point I knew you're making okay does that make any sense to you Mr Mr Cole good we're good have a seat you're good well it does to me have a seat well and spraying people with sus doesn't make any sense either stop stop stop go sit down be a good guy I that's where he going he's telling you they didn't have a common sense that's all yeah just another couple years you have much all right now get me back where we're supposed to be no more cards right all right member Nelson move to approve resolution number 21 2024 authorizing an increase in the Master Lease line of credit not to exceed uh $12,500,000 and authorizing a supplemental term sheet to include a 10-year option which will allow for the financing of the two fire engine trucks insurance cost and approve the associated budget amendment second I have a motion in a second roll call vote member Cole yes member Nelson mayor diesel yes vice mayor Robinson yes member stokel yes approved unanimously and fire trucks are what you Clos on in a million and a half two million um that's I just know when I need it I need it all right we're going to our last petitions or request so I I know um you like to use the I've been on Council since 2016 a fire truck in 2016 was 48 ,000 or $1.2 million now we should have bought a lot more then that's true that's true anyway uh that's a good point it's just that particular vehicle that particular area is the one that really stands out what do you say just under half a million now it's at least a million and a half yeah and that's why we did two on this purchase because you're right the amount of time it takes us to get years who knows where they're going to be in two years yeah there's just no no cheap way around it's very scary but safety is very important um I don't think there's May left really petitions or requests from the public I don't think did you speak of the first one I don't think you did I don't think so yeah you did I car on the right 2180 Freedom we got you here got it okay I'm a Titusville resident yes you are but I just want to say to the council that I have enjoyed you working with each and every one of you you've been to my Center you have done everything that you could to improve this um community and I am going to miss working with you in this capacity but I'm sure I will be seeing you again love you all and I hope that this is not the last time that you put in effort in TI this fil you know it won't be thank you thank you so much that means a lot next up are you sure you didn't talk to the first one a a that's not what I expected to see Tony shipo Tropic street I'm a resident of Florida and I was a gast and dismayed back in June at the news the governor had line item cut the entire Arts budget for the entire State all $32 million because of his culture war on drag shows the ACU stated it was abundantly clear that Florida's art budget was sacrificed to protect the disantis administration's aesthetic sensibilities from the irreverent humor of drag and the theatrical use of verbal innuendo Arts organizations across the State lost their funding driven by his personal belief that Fringe theater festivals which stood to receive approximately 2 thousandths of a percent of the Florida arts budget or around $736 are sexual and therefore constitute an appropriate use of taxpayer dollars so I'm a resident of Revard County and I was distressed and appalled that our representative Randy fine is the ring leader against drag shows and has many times before attacked the Arts I'm a citizen of Titusville and I was disappointed and Disturbed that not one elected official at any level said or did anything to reverse or mitigate this radical effort to control and censor the content of the Arts I'm a performance artist who in Atlanta worked a lot with drag star rup Paul in our early career days yet I was astonished and offended by a recent charity performance wherein our police chief John Lao and your favorite lobbyist Robin fiser performed in drag astonished that you who support the sis and fine and are therefore complicit with no money for all the Arts because of two Fringe festivals that might host a drag show amongst hundreds of other performances yet two of you up there on the dis and our mayor elect participated Cole stokel and Connor and approved of our police chief performing in Drag isn't it kind of unethical for someone sworn to uphold laws against drag queens becoming one himself mostly I'm disgusted by your hypocrisy in supporting anti-gay anti-trans government actions and then you participate in the very type of art you publicly oppose Shame Shame Shame thank you anybody else I think that's everybody all right City Manager on to Mayor and Council reports start on the left Miss stoko member stoko Dr stoko pass I think okay I don't think I have anything we had our space coast Le of cities meeting last night and appreciated everybody being there that was good you did a good job thank you a little pict her but yeah I know thank you I appreciate that the light was bad though I just if you can use that or not yeah no I'll use it um and it was great to see we had the representative from Eastern Florida State College talking about the exciting things happening and um getting the aviation program um up at the tville campus which will be great for us on the North so I think that's all I have um yeah stay tuned it was a good meeting too that uh it was the opportunity for those of us going out and those coming in I thought that was kind of a nice wave I really did um M Nels you going wait your turn you going to talk now I wait my turn I was Justus going to jump over to her go ahead I was just going to say last night was great and hearing about the aviation program Aerospace program um I hope that we can get all the kids out there I think it'd be great for them and that was that was just great great news I don't think I was aware that it was that far along I'd heard rumors even five years ago go uh member Cole well I told Frank the speaker I said you know I knew it was going to be a boring speech and I was going to leave I couldn't leave no it was excellent to think of the kinds of things that that they're doing throughout the county and they're doing things that are relevant to the jobs that are available in our County so kudos to Easter Florida State for those of you who weren't there uh Eastern Florida State College was a speaker last night at the league of cities meeting that we hosted in Titusville and um in 20 seconds or less so I don't mess it up kind of give them idea what he said about the tidel campus yeah specifically for our area the aviation uh an aerospace program is currently housed at the Melbourne Airport and so we're in the process of transitioning it from there and doing renovations at the Titus spill campus here at Eastern Florida um which will be phenomenal I think the workforce yep yep just just a phenomenal it's a win-win for the college and I think for the city of Titusville both of us member Nelson I just want to say um Laur Lee Thompson and I went out talked to Kevin Cook and Sandy rer last week I was totally impressed don't tell him that but um everything we asked about they already had answers they already had plans in work in the works one of the things we asked about was obviously the septic tanks and getting them converted over to the sewer systems um so when I was doing some reading this weekend I think you guys recognize this recognize it yeah so talking about the nitrogen that goes into the groundwater and then into the Lagoon um stic systems create three times the amount of nitrogen as our sewer system so I think it's very important to get rid of those septic tanks they are um have plans to run sewer lines to areas where there's a big concentration of septic t thanks and one of the things we talked about was um coming up with some type of incentive to get people to go ahead and as those lines become available to the people that they go ahead and go over to the sewer system as opposed to waiting because otherwise we're just polluting the river longer so I think my question is do you guys want may bring it up with the new Council should we go ahead and do advisability now and maybe ask if there's a way we can get people moving I understand it's $118,000 um the Soro will give them in a grant now that that those grants are based on your location too right so up to 18 your $18,000 is the ones that are oh us one East yes yeah so um the suggestion was maybe it would be good to come up with some kind of incentive to get people to go ahead and switch over I think it's got to be done I think it needs to be emphasized um remember probably two years ago maybe three years ago we Titus High theater hosted uh the save our Lagoon seminar and that was the first time and I actually was the MC of some that somehow and that was the first time I had even heard or or became aware of the importance of getting those uh Septic Tanks off the Lagoon yeah I didn't realize that and they were talking about the high percentage and this and that so I totally agree septic tanks are a big deal so I would as far as this Council versus the next Council I think simply because of the longevity of the people who will be there next time I don't think it's going to mean nearly as much with my name on there and Joe's name on there and we faded away I think we would do well to get the unity of the next Council I I just you know I don't mind put doing it at all but I just you know a matter of two weeks I'm out my thought was if we asked for advisability it'd probably be a couple months before that came back I'm fine with that so I would make a motion to ask for advisability to see if we can do something some kind of incentives to get people to go ahead and switch over to sewer yeah ADV visibility to remove septic tanks and move disorder right second I have a motion and a second all those in favor say yes yes yes opposed we didn't you don't have a card on that we didn't do anything with that yeah he did fill out a card if we took a vote on something oh my gosh okay cancel the vote okay no call card gol card yeah advisability yeah advisability okay but the thing is is that is that I have a card and I think that you should should not in other words for any any new item I have a card and I don't pardon I don't I don't hold the cards I don't have any cards in my hand you didn't ask for a card you went and voted without my card there's a I found out there's a card you didn't ask you should ask are you standing there now pardon talk well you're talking go how are you talking to again Sint I mean Mr Cole you know he he he talks a lot right right when I'm talking to you know and he's he's so smart that he he he sprays people okay the thing is is that I don't agree with that at all okay good I don't agree with all because I think septic tanks are not the the big problems we have bigger problems we don't measure we don't measure poisons in the river we don't measure all the all these poisons that are coming from our helicopters and so forth like that the killing the bees and so forth like that I think we need to look into other options and we're not doing it at all as far as I've been i' I've lived on SE attack most probably most of the years of my life you're not on the river pardon you're not on the river yeah I was on the river in West Virginia well you're not on the river here now okay but the thing is is the not only is the River dead but but a lot of the bugs are dead I mean we don't have a lot of the insects because they're gone we're having as far as as far as a lot of insects are concerned it's a dead area not just in the river it's a dead area on land and in the air we still have we still have some birds and so forth like that and we still have some lizards but we we're losing a lot not just not just from the river but we have dead areas on the ground and you're not you're not nobody seems to recognize it I mean this is not affecting the bees so much the river isn't but the bees are in big trouble and so are the monarch butterflies and so are a number of things is that we have a horrible situation that that the City and our government refuses to look into what's happening with our pesticides and herbicides and other poisons and you're not so I'm against what you're doing because I believe that's not the boogeyman the boogeyman is somewhere else that you refuse to look into thank you thank you more my motions stay on yeah see we we didn't even vote yet so see you got up there um all those in favor say yes yes opposed okay um you done and the other thing I would say is I think we do support the Arts we we are for the Arts that was the whole reason for creating an art district in town I don't see it yet um members to you're back up yes sorry I knew I was I was forgetting something I I just did want to uh mention a couple legislative it items as we move into uh the legislative cycle Sovereign immuni probably going to get brought up again they're exploring the option of Public Safety um it's hard to retain Public Safety uh police officers and their exploring potentially getting a $5,000 incentive um at the state level short-term rentals is another um item that consistently gets talked about and then I thought this was interesting this got brought up as something that might be explored is protecting single family zoning so I thought that was interesting and I know we've had some issues here with that yep and so that getting brought up at the state level um to see what may come of that um also talking about impact fees and seeing about live local potentially getting addressed again um lastly if you have not seen Tyler Sor one of our state reps in our area was um named majority house leader which is huge for our County so uh be thinking about potential legislative items that you either may want to see adjusted something that gets brought up that maybe shouldn't be um passed or something that we should try to get passed because he will have significant influence in the house so now is the time um to really be thinking about that and we'll stay on top of what is potentially getting brought out that would impact us at the local level oh vice mayor we we ain't saying goodbye yet we ain't saying goodbye yet I had a good steak last night good for you sure we'll need you too wonderful he ain't say nothing important nothing nothing uh wonderful steak last night wonderful Fellowship last night and uh it is uh it is is great to be here I've enjoyed all of this and um Stan it is uh up uh it is um you know I'm going to sleep better uh as I go forward okay and uh but I'm going to I'm going to keep you and and Titus fi in my prayers thank you all right yeah I don't want to do goodbye more than once so I'm gonna say anything uh so I I do uh yeah we we have our 15 minute they got can put me on the three minute clock Stan you can watch the three clock when I have to say my goodbye but anyway with that um happy Veterans Day to everyone thank you for your service we we certainly have some folks sitting right here Among Us uh raise your hand was me raise your hand there you go I got Army Coast Guard Air Force what you got over there Marines Marines I should I should have known uh thank thank you very much for your service um it's been honor better than you we he's getting old we uh had a couple really good veteran day ceremonies uh yesterday one at Day Street and then one at the Veterans Park and um just always enjoy that time and I really do believe those would be some of the things I go to even you know without the mayor shirt on yeah yeah and along with that every time I steal I hope no one watches me Scott will Ste in every time I hear Taps I still can't help them uh no matter where I am that's a big deal a tear come out of my eyes when when you hear Taps if you worn the uniform for any significant time when you hear Taps it's going to bring tears to you out because you know what it means Mr Mayor may I have one more turn no oh please so yesterday oh I'm Tak It Anyway yesterday I participated uh in Orlando and with an organization called the fos of Honor this organization raises money for disabled and deceased military families and helps them with their educational opportunities I uh it's always good when you can have fun and make money at the same time so I played in the golf tournament and they raised over $600,000 wow and the golf tournament was at uh lake Lake Nona in or in Orlando and they had a number of celebrities that were participating there and uh I was the only Vietnam veteran that was there they had they had quite a few veterans and I I told uh our city manager they had a army helmet and they asked all the veterans to sign this army helmet and they auctioned it off an army helmet for $6,000 people were paying exorbitant money because they knew it was going for a good cause and you know $600,000 for a golf tournament is phenomenal yes it so it was uh you know this is my third year participating with them so it's it's a great organization her talking about you know I see the Vietnam ribbon on back of a few cars now most people don't even know what no they don't and there's not a lot of people alive still anyway all right with that I do want to uh thank everybody for being here today and uh it's starting to get real that uh there's no more agendas for me city manager oh yes sir no action items um within the information items we have the uh fourth quarter strategic accomplishments list the economic development we have three public focused group meetings coming up the first one is on November 14th between 9 and 11:00 here in the chambers the second one is November 2st between 10 and 1:00 and it'll be here as well and the third one is December 5th between 5: and 7M at the Titusville Senior Center um next we have the last regular meeting of the city council is scheduled for uh November 26 which is two weeks from now at 10 :30 at City Hall the swearing in of the new council is the same day November 26 at 11:00 and then the presentations meeting and regular city council meeting as scheduled 5 and 6:30 um the community block development grant that you picked the date for at your last meeting um is now scheduled for December 3rd at 5:30 p.m and additionally my uh consolidated performance evaluation is uh in my report subject to your questions City attorney one more um two Gateway signs have been installed one was installed this weekend the Garden in Singleton one as you look at the uh there's a uh where right there in the corner um the second one that was installed today um was at Cheney and around the beo Brady area so those are the signs that you as a council worked diligently to to uh you know I might we're good I'm going to I'm going to steal this before it's over I always say dismissed don't I I Jed for