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Part 1 (Video ID: 9aC3toX1YXc):
- 00:02:27: Public Comment Guidelines and Meeting Decorum Rules
- 00:05:24: Meeting Commences, Invocation, Pledge, and Minutes Approval
- 00:06:37: Proclamation: Safe Boating Week Presentation and Remarks
- 00:09:47: Moving City Manager Report, Airport Authority Resignation
- 00:10:37: Public Comment: Concerns About Airport Authority Replacement
- 00:13:19: City Manager Provides Asset Management Report Overview
- 00:16:02: Asset Manager Chrissy Discusses Asset Verification Process
- 00:19:13: Internal Auditor Amelia Discusses Audit Methodology/Findings
- 00:26:49: Council Discusses Asset Management, Software, and Collaboration
- 00:37:33: Public Comment: Illegal Dams and City Dishonesty
- 00:41:12: Public Comment: Forensic Audit Requested, Commends Internal Audit
- 00:44:31: Moving to Consent Agenda Items A Through G
- 00:46:29: Public Comment: Wellsfield Lots Purchase And Freshwater Study
- 00:49:56: Public Comment: Royal Oak Redevelopment Study Concerns AECOM
- 00:52:57: Public Comment: Continued Royal Oak Study Concerns
- 01:10:08: Council Discusses Royal Oak, Votes on Consent Items
- 01:17:19: Quasi-Judicial Public Hearing for Singleton Avenue Variance
- 01:26:21: Public Comment: Support and Concerns Regarding Variance
- 01:30:05: Council Questions County Reps Regarding Variance Impact
- 01:33:56: Council Approves Three Public Purpose Variance Requests
- 01:36:09: Landscape Gateway Improvement Feasibility Study Discussion
- 01:37:19: Public Comment: Landscape Gateway Study Concerns
- 01:44:58: Public Comment: ACOM Ties, Maintenance Neglect, Tree Fund
- 01:49:52: Council Discusses Landscape Gateway Study, and Tables
- 01:57:57: Petitions And Requests Public, Website and Finance
- 01:59:59: Mayor & Council Reports: School Cameras and Referendum Discussion


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Yeah. Yeah. [music] The following is the procedure for public comment and participation. Individuals wishing to speak on agenda items must complete a signup card prior to the item being introduced. Those wishing to speak on quasi judicial

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public hearings must complete a signup card and sign the oath. Sign up and oath cards are available on the table. Individuals wishing to speak on non-aggenda items may do so under petitions and requests from the public present. This opportunity is offered twice in the meeting and individuals may speak at either the first or second

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petitions but not both. No signup card is required. Citizens shall not comment on any issue more than once during the meeting. All comments except petitions and requests must address the pending issue and citizens will be given three minutes to speak on agenda items. Next,

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>> The purpose of the city council meeting is to discuss city business and proper decorum must be displayed by all in attendance. Public input and participation is encouraged. However, all persons in attendance shall comply with the rules for meeting procedures and shall refrain from any action that

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disrupts the orderly proceedings of the council meeting or hinders a council from performing its duties. No person shall interfere with the rights of others to speak, hear, see, or attend the proceedings, make threats of violence, disrupt the proceedings with shouting, fail to confine remarks to the

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agenda item under consideration, nor continue to speak after the allotted speaking time has expired. As these actions shall be considered disruptive and disorderly, the mayor shall caution any person who violates these provisions and disrupts the orderly proceedings of the council meetings, and they shall be

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directed to comply. Any person who fails to comply, as cautioned, shall be ruled out of order, shall forfeit the remainder of their speaking time on the agenda item under consideration and will be requested to return to their seat. Persons who fail to comply as directed

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shall be subject to removal from the council chambers by law enforcement or such other actions as may be reasonably necessary to enforce these regulations. Notwithstanding, the mayor may order the immediate removal of any person from the chambers who possesses a threat to property or life safety. Nothing in this

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section shall be construed to limit or restrict a person's right created by the constitution, law, ordinance, or regulation. >> Good evening everybody. Welcome to the city of Titusville City Council regular meeting scheduled May 12th, 2026 at

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6:30. We call this meeting to order. For an invocation, we'll be holding a moment of silence. If you wouldn't mind, please bow on your heads. Thank you very much. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you very much. City attorney, do we have a quorum? >> Yes.

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>> Thank you very much. City council, can I have a motion to approve the minutes? >> Move the minutes of April 14th, 2026. >> Second. I have a motion by Vice Mayor Cole, a second by member Stokl. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all

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those in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Uh, city manager. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and councel. The first item on the agenda is under item five, special recognitions

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and presentations. and the mayor will present a proclamation recognizing May 16th through May 22nd, 2026 as safe boating week. And we have members of the Coast Guard Auxiliary here to accept that proclamation. And I will read the

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proclamation for the record. This is an official proclamation of the city of Tyson, Florida. Whereas an average of 650 lives are lost each year in boating related accidents across the United States with 75% of those deaths

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resulting from drowning. And whereas the majority of these tragic incidents are attributed to human error or poor judgment rather than mechanical failure, equipment issues or environmental conditions. And whereas many of the individuals who drowned could have been

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could have survived had they been wearing life jackets. Now therefore I Andrew Connors by the authority vested in me as the mayor of city of Titusville do hereby proclaim May 16th through 22nd 20 26 as safe boating week in the city

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of Titusville marking the beginning of a yearround commitment to promoting safe and responsible boating practices. And I encourage all voters to adopt safe boating habits and to wear a life jacket at all times while on the water. Signed,

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Andrew Connor's, mayor. >> Thank you. Oh, let's come over here. So that we do every single year. I mean, right next to my favorite mayor. Now for our camera over here. >> This is a great event here in Titusville because this is our third year that

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we're doing this and you know that Mon Friday is take your life jacket to work day >> and um besides uh wearing a life jacket. The second one is the wife hassling the husband because

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she wants to drive the boat. I'm kidding. Is drunken driving. Is drunk driving. You cannot drink and vote at the same time. Who is the number one? What is the number one state in our states of the

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greatest fatalities of Florida? >> We're number one. We don't want to be number one anymore. Anyway, mayor, thank you again. God bless all. [applause] >> All right. Thank you very much. Uh before we move into our next item, uh

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council, I was hoping to uh move up a portion of the city manager report regarding the asset managers uh report. So if council will be so inclined that after we get into our next item uh which is uh boards and commissions, right after that, we'll get into the asset

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management report. Is that okay by everybody? >> Yeah. >> All righty. Um city manager, you're up next. >> Yes, sir. included in my city manager report. >> Nope, we're still on uh boards 6A. >> Okay.

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>> So then item six, boards and commissions is the Titusville Cocoa Airport Authority and the recommended action is to accept the resignation of Titusville Cocoa Airport Authority regular member Kenneth Ward with an unexpired term that will expire on July 8th, 2028. The

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resignation was effective May 4th, 2026, and we currently have no applicants on file for that position. >> Thank you very much, city clerk >> Dan Johnston. My name is Stan Johnston. I'm uh an

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engineer and also a surveyor and um Ken Ward is a surveyor and his dad is Loys Ward who just passed passed away recently. I worked for Loys for a number of years and did a lot of site plans and subdivisions as the engineer of record.

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So uh I'm uh pleased to say that uh uh we've had a good choice having um Mr. Ward in this position. and I'm sorry to see him leave, but my concern is that the choice that of your replacement is going to be like many

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choices that you have made that were that are disrespectful to to me, my engineering profession and engineering law and surveying law too. Completely disrespectful of it. So, you choose it. It appears that Mr. Connors and at least

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four of you choose people who are the sometimes the least qualified and and I think it's a horrible it's horrible what you're doing. And I of course I have been I have not been chosen for positions that I have requested for that are within my scope

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of expertise because what because I have findings of fraud and dishonesty within the city of Titusville and I'm persecuted for it. So I would like you this time to make a different one is to fi find somebody

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who's truthful who's going to be want want to to obey the laws because you're not obeying the laws engineering laws even water flows downhill. So, uh, I'm still, uh, in a position that I am upset that the city of Titusville continues to

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to, uh, have a policy, I want to use the word policy, that it was okay to spray the people, uh, with piss and poop who came to our public parks. Thank you. Any questions? >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. >> Okay. Please wake up. >> Any other cards?

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>> No, sir. >> All right. You have a motion to accept the resignation. >> Yeah. So moved. A motion by member Mscoso, second by Vice Mayor Cole. Any further discussion? All those in favor say I. I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you

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very much. City manager on to the asset management report, please. >> Yes, sir. Uh in my city manager report, there is a uh updated uh report from our asset manager regarding the initial findings of the March 12th internal

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auditor's report. As you recall, that report um was an audit um based on allegations of theft of property and also misappropriation of city resources and it was reviewed by our internal auditor. Uh the result is that on that

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one there was an allegation that or was substantiated and the employee was uh terminated and it is now facing criminal charges and also we're looking to um recover whatever we can from um that

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person. Also um during the audit, the internal order expanded the scope to take a look at our asset management um procedures and found initially some discrepancies in asset management dating back to uh 1970.

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Um, as part of my initial management response, um, we hired a asset manager to look into our asset management procedures, instituted a fraud hotline, um, took a look at our procurement card practices and other internal controls.

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One of the first actions of the um asset manager was to do a deep dive into the our asset management procedures and the report which followed which is on my May uh 12th uh uh city management report

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details that we have uncovered and physically verified a number of the assets that were initially unaccounted for. Uh the number one asset that we found that we did find exists is the water telemetry telemetry system also

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known as SCADA $300,000 item which is actually installed on all our lift stations hardware and also software. Also we were able to physically locate the F250 truck and verify the VIN number. It was assigned to a different

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division. We corrected that paperwork and again um the uh asset manager was able to verify a number of other uh assets and we found out that uh we were able to correct that report. So we have both the asset manager and our internal

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order here tonight should council wish to have any discussions on findings of the asset manager. Thank you very much, city manager, Miss Asset Manager Chrissy and Millia um our turn if you guys want to come forward.

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Um I was hoping Chrissy if you wouldn't mind just giving us an overview uh of your report uh for the public because it is very detailed. Uh but if you wouldn't mind just giving us an overview, tell us what you found. So during my report, I was able to find

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quite a few of the items by um looking further into records for information that wasn't that >> that wasn't initially on the list of fixed assets. So, for example, some items didn't have model numbers or

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serial numbers or VIN numbers to be used to identify. So, through my um investigation, I looked and I found the original purchase orders, which I was able to get model number information off of. And so

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I have um that's how a lot of the things were identified was going back to the original purchase, finding the information for the original purchase and then finding the items that matched the original purchase. Also, um,

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for example, the Ford F250 truck, um, that one it seemed to be a small clerical error with two divisions bought the same truck at the same time and the divisions swapped. Um,

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one item, it was a pump from 1989. And I was able to sorry it was a generator from 1989. I was able to find the original auction paperwork from that. Um it had you know

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model numbers, fleet numbers, auction dates, proceeds. So all of that was found and verified. Quite a few of the items I got with our fleet maintenance department and they were items such as utility bodies, cranes, the vector attachment to trucks

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and um I'm not sure why this happened but there seemed to be a breakdown where divisions didn't realize that the attachment these permanent attachments on truck trucks had separate asset numbers assigned. So, we're now aware of

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that and I'll be reviewing asset paperwork before auctions. Our fleet manager is aware of that now. I've been making divisions aware of that. I did go to field ops multiple times and physically verify information. And

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yeah, everything I found was either verified in person or by records. Anything else? Thank you very much. Uh, city council, do you have any questions? Miss Chrissy.

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Um, not seeing any. Miss Ameilia, would you like >> Hi, good evening. Um, thank you Chrissy for your deep dive. Um, I wanted to go over the methodology of the internal audit. First of um first thing the um

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methodology that's listed in the audit report states that um the capital asset records um were reviewed and maintained by the finance department. And what I did was I took the finance department's fixed asset records and I did a physical

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verification a physical verification of selected located items in the field ops facility. The division was provided the fixed asset list um on February 17, 2026.

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Um and a verification audit was completed by myself and uh Field Ops personnel um on February 20th, 2026. Now, the city has um had the opportunity

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to research the items provided um up until actually the final audit report during the draft. Uh and then there was communication between myself and the staff back and forth between those times which we kind of deleted. We removed some of the items. So, that's where we

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got the 35 items and the 1.2 2 um million. The 35 assets, 30% could not be physically located at the facility. The report didn't definitively say that the

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assets did not exist. They just couldn't be verified at the time of the field the field work. The audit findings um reflect the conditions of the audit at the at the time of the audit fieldwork and the

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subsequent um identification of the assets after the completion of the fieldwork does not does not um invalidate the actual audit. Um it actually demonstrates that additional research um was necessary because the

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fixed asset records and department knowledge were insufficient at the time of the audit fieldwork. and to go through the spreadsheet um that the the audit um excuse me the asset manager's

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research. I wanted to just give you a preliminary review because I did a preliminary re review of that and on here um I was not able to actually physically validate or verify at the

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facility since she has uh um gone out to the facility. um about nine items on there. Um I just got note on Friday that I'm supposed to be here, but um I did

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validate that when you have discrepancies, when you have when you can't support audit evidence or you don't have the physical asset there to verify, then you can't say that you found the asset because there's no supporting evidence

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of that. So having [clears throat] said that, there was $462,000, $947.88 of discrepancies and unsupported assets that could not be located. And when I

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say discrepancies, we're talking about um discrepancies between POS, discrepancies with amounts, descriptions, and VIN numbers. Um in addition there were let's see there were um one let's see

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one two three four items that were auctioned or disposed of after the audit was completed. However, we could not verify on those uh auctions on the three auctions that the item on the fixed

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asset list was in fact the item that was disposed of. There was no documentation only pictures given and myself and the personnel at uh the division had already reviewed those assets and um there was no identifying mark. They were so old

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and rusted there was no identifying markers on the the two assets. Um there was one asset that was found that um I think you emailed the field ops personnel that he had disposed he was

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disposing of the asset and didn't know if that was the asset that was on the fixed asset list. So I think the city should take a pause and actually verify that basically what we're disposing and what we're auctioning is in fact the

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items on the asset the fixed asset list. But having said that the the asset manager subsequent review it does not negate the fact that the it doesn't negate the validity of my audit report

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at all. It just it actually supports that we needed Chrissy here to go do a deep dive of the assets. Um let's see. As far as the uh telemetry

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um items that were found, um the 310 and uh $310,000, excuse me, was not cloud-based. This this is a 900 megahertz radio frequency, which um actually every

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lift station has a telemetry box. Okay, they have a tower and a box. So the um the electronic services division um they actually

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create or or devise the SCADA uh equipment and they monitor it themselves. So it was not a cloud-based um software. This was actually developed and maintained by the

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city employees, the SCADA employees. Um, and to well, back then they probably should have split that up instead of uh having software and hardware together under the $310,000.

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They should they should have split it up so it could be identified, but it wasn't, you know. And at the end of the day, I think that the bigger question is why haven't the finance department reconciled the fixed

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asset in years? It should be done yearly by the finance department. And I think that if this was done, completed every year that we wouldn't we wouldn't be here. We wouldn't we wouldn't be here as

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far as the is fixed asset aspects of it. So if you have any more questions. >> Well, thank you very much, Miss Amelia. I do appreciate what you do for us as an internal auditor and obviously I think I maybe bumped into Miss Chrissy one time.

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Uh but as an asset manager, again, that was one of your recommendations in your internal audit was to hire an asset manager to help track down all these things. And I don't think it's uh um an intent of you know people trying to move stuff around or how it's just when you

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have an organization this big and if it was the private sector there'd be uh very very detailed inventory controls and I think that's where we need to get to is you know I can't fix what happened in 1975 with the tractor but what can we do going forward to make sure that we're keeping track and detailed records of

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everything that's happening and cross referencing that with different divisions that may loan this generator to this person this back to that person and then also making sure that finance is aware of all those comingings and goings. Now, let me ask you a question. >> Do you think the enhanced u BSNA

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software will allow us to do that? >> I haven't looked at the enhanced version um just yet. I'm hoping it would. Have you had a chance to look at it, Chrissy? >> I have not seen the advanced, but even the existing one I think has the fields

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that would be useful for us to maintain. I and I do feel that we need to take this off of a spreadsheet and put it in some software and you know so that we can do um yearly the annual um validations and audits and whatso have

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you going forward. >> Yeah. Because that's my goal and you know hopefully I'm not speaking out of turn on behalf of council but our goal is to make sure that we put the appropriate safeguards in place so that you know nothing does come up missing that we know where everything is at all times. Unfortunately, when you know your

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software was a spreadsheet over the last, you know, 50 years, that makes it a little difficult, right? Absolutely. God help you if you accidentally didn't save it correctly. So, we we need to make sure that we're investing in in that and hopefully um from the insuranceances I've gotten that the new

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BSA upgrade will hopefully help alleviate some of that. Um but is anybody else on council have any questions for um either Miss Ameilia or Miss Chrissy? Uh, member Mscoso. >> Sure. Thank you. Um, thank you ladies so

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much for what you do. Um, I had a chance to meet with um, Amelia and with Chrissy. I know it's your maybe your second week on the job. >> I've been sorry for um, in this position for just over a month. >> Okay. So, thank you so much. This is a big task to um, take on. What I noticed

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from both um what I would have hoped first of all is that the um the asset manager that you would have we would have been able to had you two kind of verified together because from my understanding is that you you went to the different divisions and you asked

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hey do you have this can you bring this forward and you were they were you were told no for some of the items and so of course you go and you put that in your report and then thankfully you were able to go and they were able to locate those items for you. And so I think that you

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know our these audits go together hand in hand. Um I think it is that you know we have weak asset management controls and that's why we've hired an asset manager and um you know there's a lot of work to be done and so I'm looking forward to moving forward. Thank you for

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clearing up the um telemetry issue. Um I wasn't sure from my understanding you went out there and you asked them the division [clears throat] to show you and they said they didn't even know what it was. >> Absolutely. >> So of course you put that in your report and so I'm glad to know that um you know

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we want to make sure that we're accurate with the information that it has appeared >> um and where it's located. So I just want to thank you both for your work. I know this is not an easy thing to do and it it can be uncomfortable, but um I'm hoping moving forward with the new um BSNA we can make sure that we're

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tracking everything accurately. >> Absolutely. >> Thank you, >> Member Stokel. >> Yes. Thank you. Um I think that this has been a stressful time for a lot of us. Um, and I think from my perspective, what I'm hoping that we can have as a

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city, and I mentioned this before, is have more collaboration and have these discussions because from my perspective, I think what happened was I think everybody was trying to do their job. And one, we had an employee that was abusing the system and was stealing. And

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then that led to an investigation that was probably rushed with limited resources, doing the best you can to provide a report. [snorts] I think that report um was accurate, but it was also a little misleading in terms of the

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narrative got shifted from there's a million dollars that we can't account for, which when we start to go back through it, there's a difference between somebody stole it, there's fraud, there's waste and abuse versus we did not have the appropriate recordkeeping in place. So, those are two very

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different things. Um I think that need to be addressed differently. And so one, if we're having people abusing the system, stealing, that needs to be handled one way. And if we do not, which I feel like that's kind of what happened. If you're asking for, hey, where is this item? And you're not

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finding it or nobody's responding or it's mislocated. Um, that's an issue. Um, and I think part of it was because of the time crunch, quite frankly. I think would that be accurate? What What's your take on that? Well, what happened is when I gave them the uh the

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division personnel the fixed asset list to do the initial verification, I came back in a few days when they were done and um I did my verification. Um uh we both did the verification uh of the

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assets and at that time when he couldn't find those 35 items at 1.2 2 million. He said that he had um he had talked to division leadership and they weren't aware of it either. So when you can't

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when you don't have um when you can't explain to the auditor [laughter] where it is, what it is, how it is and man and the leadership there doesn't know then it becomes a control deficiency. And so I have to note it as a control

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deficiency which was done in the audit. And if you read further down in the audit, that's where I start talking about the control issues and needing, you know, asset controls and things of that nature. So, >> right. And I think that's where I'm getting at is those systems need to be

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better organized because it sounds like for the most part we did have a lot of these items but nobody can really account for them appropriately which I think did you presented in your report of a deficiency in that area right >> um and then when we brought on the asset

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manager you know you've had more time again this is now two people versus one person we have a little more resources which is our struggle up here is we need to provide goodffic services. We need to account for everything. We need to answer to the public >> while lowering taxes, which becomes very

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challenging. And so that being said, as we move forward and and this is what I was talking to the city manager about is how can we all collectively work together to make sure that you're not doing your report over here. Our asset manager is not over here. Division and department heads are over here not communicating. And when we need something, it's like, oh, if you can't

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find it, well, it needs to be here. Let's fix this and let's work together for that. That's what I would hope to see. And then my last question is you, as you may or may not be aware, we have a council retreat at the end of the month where we are trying to prioritize what are our top priorities with a

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limited budget. Um, and so that being said, and if you don't have an answer now, maybe try to give us one before our retreat. um if there's items that you feel that we should either invest in in terms of money, systems, people that you feel like could help um with these

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processes as well would be beneficial for me. >> Okay. Give me some time. >> Okay. Okay. But thank you very much. >> You're welcome. >> Vice Mayor. >> Yes. I think going back uh to 1970 uh that was when we were still in horse

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and buggies, I think. Uh but now moving forward maybe this will help us and maybe there are certain types of software that we can procure that will track these things for us and each one would be in each one of our shops and divisions and they can be cross

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referenced. So even though this caused us a lot of constonnation moving forward, I think it's going to help us to be able to track better because we realize that the things that were uncovered were things that if they were in some database somewhere or in a cloud

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base somewhere, we would have been able to identify. And I I appreciate the work of of both you ladies. Thank you so very much. >> Absolutely. And I think that Chrissy is going to be the glue to that. Um before Chrissy, you don't you didn't have the departments communicating with each

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other. So now you have someone here that will she's kind of sort of the glue to this to everyone to the purchasing department, the divisions, um to finance. >> Yeah. I don't I don't mind bugging them. [laughter] >> I don't either. But but I think she is

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going to be that glue to where we can collaborate and um move forward in a positive manner. Member Stokal. >> Sorry, one more question. Are we able to go ahead and use BSNA now to do the reconciliation because I think we already have that

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>> as a step to in the right direction. Well, as you recall at the mid year, you did approve the $500,000 to upgrade BSNA and it does have the asset management module which will bring us to the point where hopefully we'll be able to reconcile it and it's being procured as

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we speak. >> And the initial BSNA uh fixed asset, I went there first [laughter] to try to reconcile, but I was told by finance I couldn't because everything wasn't in there. So that's why I had to deviate to this finance spreadsheet, capital asset spreadsheet schedule.

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>> Well, that's what I'm hoping if we've approved it and we already have it, if we can try not to wait on that and move forward. I think that will be a good first step. Absolutely. In addition to our asset management. Absolutely. >> And we have been actively working on that and we have verified with BSNA that

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um we can use barcodes and scanners and they'll work together. >> Perfect. >> Thank you. Again, thank you so much for, you know, jumping up here and telling us, you know, all the information and, uh, hopefully I was able to get you out of here sooner than later and so you

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didn't have to wait around all night. So, very much appreciate the work you guys do and keep us updated on anything that comes up. So, thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. >> All righty. Now, we're at petitions and requests on the public non-aggenda item. So, if you're here to speak on an agenda

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topic, please wait for that topic to come up. But if it's not agenda, this is your time. Mr. Johnson, my name is Stan Johnston and uh I'm a professional engineer and a land surveyor with an inactive license.

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And I'm coming to complain. I complain about some dishonesty that we have with our council members and staff. So, right now, I'm offering $50. $50 for anybody, anybody here in this

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audience, anybody here, anybody, especially Joe Dairo who can who can find a professional engineer who will disagree with what I'm doing. I'm asking you to do it tonight. Give you 50 bucks. Okay. So, here's what's going on. What

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are the lies that are going on in the city of Titusville? For 40 years, for 40 years, I'm saying for 40 years, the city of Titusville adopted a plan to build dams in the city. So, the mayor says, "Hey, this this

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looks kind of nutsy." He said, "Why don't you have it so when a flood comes, you can just open the door?" And then James Ball said uh uh he said, "Aren't you going to flood people?" And guess what the response was from the engineers there? This is 1985.

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No response. No response whatsoever. So right now we have what I'm I'm telling you again is we have a number of dams that are illegally built like the dams at the senior center. They have no uh compensatory storage, no uh effects

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of flooding of uh and taking of property. They're illegal by our constitution. And what do you do? Mr. Connor does nothing. Mr. Cole does nothing. And Serto Stokel does nothing. And I even offer you $50, find some honey disagree with me. These are

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illegal dams. So what happened? We had in October, what did we have? We had a storm that according to the storm is you've got a whole bunch of errors in your uh calculations for 100year storms. They

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don't fit. In other words, nobody in in Baker's subdivision was flooded in this storm that was supposed to have been a 500 about a 5year storm. They weren't they weren't even flooded for the one-year storm. They're calculated. And people in Temple Terrace, what happened to them? They've been flooded

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several times since 2012, since those dams were built. In other words, these were before we had the 100red-year floods. So, are you going to do anything? I don't think so. I don't know what you're going to do. We we're asking we're asking for help. And we're and I have

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talked to Sandra a little bit, but it's got to it's got to be moving on. These p people have been flooded again and again. 12 ines of water in in their homes this last time. And I'm saying it's because of these dams, these illegal dams. So, I'm asking you to do

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something about it instead of doing nothing. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. >> $50. >> Mr. Cook, did you want the $50? >> Okay. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. >> Thank you. >> Hi, Christopher Childs, Tyville. So, I

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just want to say Amelia is great. I mean, holy cow, what a superstar. I know you already gave her an award, but she probably deserves another one. Um she's done a great job, very detailed on this. Um I think there's still there's some gaps, you know, um that probably need to

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be uh reviewed. Um in between what was found and what was reported on, there's some different names, some different um you know, totals there. Uh I reviewed, you know, the memo that came out on the 7th and there's still some discrepancies

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there. So, um I think you know even with that said and I think we're heading in a great direction. I think it's great and I and I know there's like you know a difference of you know there's this idea of like oh there's a million dollars missing. It's not exactly gone but you

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know through through some um u maybe incompetence or just no you know uh workflows around tracking the stuff it it is you know not accounted for. So, um I think the taxpayers deserve to have

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that, you know, uh that clarity around the assets and I'm glad we're getting there. It's great. And I think that to help it get along its way, we need a forensic audit and uh I think it would be well worth it so we can see all of the inefficiencies because Amelia can't

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do it all. You know, she can't do all of that, every you know, review every single transaction. And that's what a forensic audit could do for us is to go through every transaction and find every dollar, every cent and so we can get some clarity as taxpayers. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, >> Kathleen over at Titusville resident. I just want to follow up with Chris and say I really support what he said. I'm impressed and thank people for getting the asset manager in. That was a really important thing. But we know some of the problems were really there was some

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illegal activity. There has been lack of accountability and as a citizen and I hear this from many other citizens of the city, we really want that forensic audit to still continue. So just supporting that idea. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. So, I know your favorite words up here are accountability, transparency, and trust. Um, con residents are not concerned about one dude that got arrested. They're really That was one person we're

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sitting here talking about. We've had these problems since the 70s. You cannot you're not going to convince the public that it was one person. Um, incompetence is not an excuse. Neglect is abuse.

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And when council didn't even know for what, nine years that you were supposed to be getting those reports, that's a real problem. It's a very, very big failure in leadership. So, if you really want to know what to

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do about this situation, just listen to the people. The people want a full forensic audit. That's it. It's our money. Spend it the way the people want. And please quit eating up here.

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>> Thank you. Seeing none others for petitions and requests. City manager, moving on to consent. >> Yes, sir. We have six items on consent. Are there any items that council wish to pull from the consent agenda? >> I'm not seeing any lights, city manager.

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>> All right, sir. I'll go ahead and I'll read the titles for the record. Consent agenda item 8A, the collective bargaining agreement. Let me put [snorts] it up here. Collective bargaining agreement between the International Association of

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Firefighters, IAFF, Local 244, and the City of Titusville, October 1st, 2025 through September 30th, 2028. Consent agenda item 8B. the collected bargaining agreement between the Florida

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State Lodge Fraternal Order of Police FOP representing police officer, corporal, sergeant, and dispatcher and the city of Titusville October 1st, 2025 through September 30th, 2028.

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8 C. The collective bargaining agreement between the Florida State Lodge Fraternal Order of Police representing lieutenants and the city of Titusville, October 1st, 2025 through September 30th, 2028. 8 D, the Royal Oak Study Scope of Work.

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8 E Resolution number 11-2026, resolution of commitment to Florida Main Street. 8 F, the emergency purchase order for traffic control devices LLC and 8G, purchase of Sun Valley Lots for

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Wealthfield Protection. Thank you very much, city manager, city clerk, Stan Johnston. uh Stan Johnston and uh uh I'm going to speak about on three minutes. All I've got is for one, two, three, I think

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there's three or four items of a of the uh of the um consent agenda item. So I'll I'll I'll use some time on uh 8G purchase of some value lots for welfield protection. What I have here is that

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study that I've talked about 1985 freshwater management study. Here it is. Here it is. And it says and it says it gives a discussion about the Gen Hburg principle. The Gen Hersburg which does not apply to the city of Titusville because we need a

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an unconfined acert to apply it that way. Now, what was said at these meetings over 40 years ago is that the city of Titusville was was able to gain 40 ft of freshwater aquifer increase 40t

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for every foot of water they can put by a dam by raising the water table by one foot. We would get 40 feet. That's complete nonsense. Complete nonsense and disrespect for for engineering engineering laws and everything else.

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So, this is what the city is doing. And I'm again, I'm asking you $50. $50. Where is it? Oh, here it is. Here it is. $50. You get a PE to come here and dispute me. I'll give you 50 bucks.

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You got lots of pees. You got consultants and all that. Have them come over here and I'll tell you this is this is dishonest and deceptive what the city has accepted. It's nonsense. Complete nonsense. It doesn't work that way. You have to have an unconfined aquifer for

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to work. And they spoke. They said that we were going to get all kinds of water from this from from raising the water just a little bit. 30 40 feet for every foot. No wonder we built dams, illegal dams.

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So, this is nonsense that continues today. And I've complained about it for over 40 years. And it still is that way because you can't have a professional engineer. Nobody is going to disagree with me because what will I do?

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Mr. Kevin knows, Mr. Cook knows. Tom knows. I'll report him to the board. And what you are doing is you're living on dishonesty. Dishonesty. Continued dishonesty by these three people here and Jolyn Nelson. Dishonesty. That's

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what I get from from the city. dishonesty and no responsibility, no accountability. You do it. You continue it. You You spit on me and you spit on my profession. I don't appreciate what you're doing and you're doing it on purpose. Just spit spit spit spit spit and the piss and poop that that you put

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on people. I don't appreciate it at all. I'm a little bit angry about it. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City Clerk, >> David Hobert, I believe he left. Uh Elizabeth Baker. Oh, is David Hobert

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>> for item 8 D. >> We're on consent agenda. >> Item 8B, I believe, is what she said. So, I want to really express some major concern about the Royal Oak redevelopment study being conducted by

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AECOM. Um, it really concerns me that our former water resources director, who resigned under some deeply troubling circumstances, works for them. And you know, you guys

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may know that Mr. Stopper was a city insider that testified under oath um that a local advocate was stalking him because they p they came to public meetings and criticized him after a 7.3 million gallon sewage spill which was

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just one of multiple failures during his tenure. But what's more alarming is how some internal audits later suggested that he was likely involved in in some of the misconduct and or theft. Um,

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he works for this huge company that now does millions of dollars worth of business in Titusville, including this $78,700 landscaping feasibility study because that's really important. Um,

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this is a pattern that we've seen where people resign and they just go on to like work on contract or work in another department. Excuse me. Can you stop my time for a second since I want to make sure that people are paying attention? >> Keep the time going.

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Looking down and making a note is paying attention. >> Excuse me. >> I was looking down to make a note. Is it okay? >> Yeah, she's eating. You're taking notes. Cool. >> Um, cool. Um, here's what I want. I want to be

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guaranteed that Mr. Stuffer does not have anything to do with any kind of storm water infrastructure or flood mitigations in Titusville. >> He should not be anywhere near anything going on in this city.

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The man that replaced him that worked under him for 20 years was just arrested. We see this over and over and over again. So, please just get a written guarantee that he won't have anything to do with this project. The people at

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Royal Oak have already suffered and we need to prioritize accountability here, not just another person that resigns and goes somewhere else. >> Thank you, city clerk. >> David Hbert.

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Uh Dave, [clears throat] forgot my water. Name's David Hobart. Um on the Royal Oak, we've already had a meeting about this. They don't want to redeveloped. I mean, it's it's $80,000 of taxpayer dollars. If the developer wants to do it, have them pay

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for it. I mean, there's no reason Royal Oak's going to fight it anyways. So, it's just a waste of money. That's all. >> Thank you. Say cler >> Tony Shuffalo Tropic Street. I don't live in Royal Oak, but I have the same concerns these

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two prior people have had. Um, this huge company, I can't even say their name. ACOM International. Look at the projects they've done. They're horrible, terrible things. They're they're they're associated with terrible horrible people who do war type things. I can go all the

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way back to the war in in Iraq with um black and and the horrible things they did. Um it was it was a baby formula factory. I I have good evidence of that from my work at CNN and our investigative

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reporters. It was not manufacturing weapons of mass destruction. So that just goes to show how that people that are associated with this company and and one of the projects they did in Florida is the um big center over uh the big

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civic center, the big performance hall. I can't even call this name Phillip Center over in Orlando. I don't think they have anything really to do with um a small Wasn't this supposed to be a plan where you got together with the neighborhood, the people who were being

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affected and the city and the developer who wants to do something that the citizens don't want in their town and try and come to a solution to make a new plan and why you're going to pay $77,510 to this big company to come in here and

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to develop a plan. Can't you just meet with the citizens of Royal Oak and the developer and talk with them about what you want to have done? You know what we want to have done with that area? This is just a total sham and a waste.

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>> Thank you, city clerk. >> Earl Johnson. >> Earl Johnson. Good evening, council. Earl Johnson. Um, I'd just like to share some observations and perceptions on um on the small scale study. Uh that seems a contract was let

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uh sole source. I I saw an RFP go out but didn't see anyone bid on it. Um so we didn't see any competitive bids. Perhaps the window was too short for a response. I don't know. Um anyway, it

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was a good RFP, but um so ACOM does though appear to have a which uh which you're going to vote on this evening. Uh they have appear to have a very close association with the lobbyist for the developer applicant. Um which kind of

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calls into questions a non-competitive selection of them for this study. and it creates a perception of a pro-development bias right from the outset. Um, at this time the non-competitive selection of ACOM for the study just

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appears to have a veneer of credibility and underneath it not so much so uh but regardless of the ACOM selection the community expected to be an active participant in this study. uh we requested the study to be facilitated by

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an independent third party as was done with the resources study which was a great model. Uh the study this study does not align with that expectation. We also requested a workshop so citizens could provide input on priorities and conclusions uh that are prior to the

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conclusions are being formed on the study. The staff also uh surprisingly to me saw fit to include the 2016 draft golf course redevelopment ordinance to uh ACOM to which I viewed as seeding the

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study uh resulting in a bias from the outset as in my opinion that's sort of a clear signal on the city staff's desire for this property. Um so that does not align with the resident's desires. Um, and this draft ordinance was designed

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denied by council back in 2016. It's now 10 years old and a lot has changed since then. So, I don't really feel like it has much bearing on what we're looking at today. The draft ordinance also presupposed that the parcel would be residential housing or commercial. And

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it also further presupposed PDZ zoning overlay which would wipe out all of the open space recreational zoning of which almost 30% of the property is. Why does it always seem to be the city versus residents? I I know that may not

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be the intent, but certainly frequently the perception is that um and some key players uh here seem you know appear much more pro-development and not so much pro pro resident. It would be nice

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if that everything were just neutral. Um also the flume the overarching and the overarching comprehensive plan and other policies are supposed to be well thought out directions. >> Thank you Mr. Johnson. City clerk, are there any nailer cards? >> Yes, sir. Vicky Conklin.

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[applause] Good evening, Vicki Conlin. Tonight I want to speak about public confidence and the processes that are surrounding this proposed ACOM small area study of the Royal Oak property. The community spent a lot of years raising concerns about flooding, drainage density. We've

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all had those uh concerns with infrastructure and strain and the traffic and we've attempted to determine how this ACOM contract has come about. Uh we've [snorts] requested public records. We've had meetings, the court group and I have had meetings with uh

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with Brad and with Mr. Abati and with the city attorney and we we've really thought we had generated some really good agreements and concerns of how we could work together coming forward with this but it this process doesn't seem to reflect that. Um and so we're interested

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in what formal procurement process was used and we'd like those explanations. It seems to be there's a conflict of interest. Um, and there's a photograph I want to show you of um, that's been circulating, and this is a

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photograph maybe taken a few years ago, but it shows ACOM. Maybe they made a donation to the Y, which would be very generous of them and and commendable, but there's Mr. Robin Fischer, and that's I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. And this, however,

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Mr. Fischer is a lobbyist for Tulon. He's a lobbyist for Culture. And so his affiliation and relationship with ACOM, it raises suspicions. Maybe they're grounded, maybe they're not, but in the public perception, that's what it is.

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And so the appearance of that interconnected relationship just really raises a lot of questions. Um, so we want these future decisions with the residents, stakeholders involved, and so we're requesting that the city release the procurement documentation. Public

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records didn't show that. The task order or the contract, the public records did not reveal that. The selection rationale, the public records did not reveal that. And any conflict review materials related to this engagement. Transparency protects the

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residents, the stakeholders, the city, and the credibility of the study itself. Surely to goodness, we're a major city, and we can find consultants that don't have conflicts already with this city. >> Amen.

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Thank you, city clerk. >> Kathleen Oor Dr. Kathleen O. And I'm going to talk a little bit about another aspect here. Earlier in this process, Royal Oak Neighbors met with um Tomati and he assured us that the citizens would have

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active participation in the process. Now, I reviewed the ACOM scope of work and we have serious concerns about the quality and timing of proposed or supposed might be a better word public involvement. According to the scope of

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work document, during the kickoff workshop, ACOM will present a summary of preliminary scenario analysis and solicit feedback from the public. Then during the second workshop they state they will gather input on the scenarios

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and solicit feedback on the recommended course of action. Respectfully speaking that is not true community participatory planning. That is a consulting firm developing scenarios internally determining a recommended course of

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action and then asking the residents to react to these recommendations after the framework has already been established. Meaningful public participation occurs before scenarios and recommendations are developed, not after. If the city truly

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intends to be a communitydriven process, then the public must participate in shaping the options themselves, not simply reacting to consultant created recommendations. [clears throat] We're also concerned as as Mickey just spoke that the city appears to have

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selected an existing consultant with whom it has established relationship rather than seeking firms with demonstrated expertise in collaborative community planning and participatory engagement. Your universities are a

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great source of these people. This project involves flooding, land use, density in infrastructure and neighborhood protection. These are issues with long-term consequences for the resident and for the city themselves. For this reason, I respectfully ask the council not to

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approve the current scope of work and instead consider firms with stronger backgrounds in community participation and collaborative planning processes. At [snorts] a minimum, the scope should be revised to require substantial commu citizen involvement, which we were told

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we would have before scenarios and recommendations are developed. Public trust depends on the residents having a meaningful role in shaping decisions before conclusions are reached. Thank you. >> Thank you, city clerk.

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>> Elizabeth Parker. Elizabeth Parker, Dino Circle. Uh, reviewing this study, I was fascinated to see it's a rehash of everything we've been going through for the last three years. Essentially, they're saying, "We're going to take everything the developers put together

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and we're going to rehash it and put it in a new format for you, and you can give us new comments, which we'll ignore." Very disappointing. And the exclusions of this project are exceptionally disappointing as well. Uh, this is not just any piece of property.

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This is a piece of property that acts as a sponge for a 500 acre basin. It's uh got a soil 52 candler high recharge stands and it produces approximately 144 million gallons a year of fresh water

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for our city. So in order to satisfy a competent substantial study, we need to be looking at things that this study specifically excludes. uh the hydraologic and hydrogeeologic

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modeling is critical excluded. Uh there should be a vertical recharge analysis. Uh there should be basin interconnectivity analysis. There should be a study to prove that relocating basins would not cause a dam effect. There should be a

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FEMA flood plane analysis. There should be environmental and wetland assessments based on the 1943 aerial photographs. It's clear that these are natural depressional wetlands and not man-made ponds per comp plan

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10.3.21. This needs to be considered. There should be aam analysis under uh a Florida code 62-345. uh mitigation assessment method is critical to quantify the functional

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value of the sponge this property performs as. There should be a fiscal impact and utility modeling economic analysis. There should be planning and legal nexus analysis. A certified planner should be looking at

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this and there should be not just excuse me residential compatibility but a viewshed compatibility. Uh, this study is worthless. We have are spending $77,510

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to learn what we already have heard from the developers using a traffic plan based on declining traffic during the COVID years. We've already given this company $1,457,885. I'd like to know where was the RFP because I am on the list to receive them

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and I did not see an RFP for this project. So, as a citizen who's living in this community and is concerned for the well-being of our city, I am extremely distressed that this is what

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we're going to base any redevelopment on. Thank you. >> Thank you, city clerk. Daniel Daniel Lewis. >> Hello. I'm Dan Lewis and uh I'm a homeowner there at 3525 Palmer Drive. A lot of you know it because Kathleen

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lives there, too. [laughter] Anyway, uh you know, the everybody brought up so many good points about this thing that I'm not left with a lot, but I do remember when our son graduated with his PhD, he had done a lot of work

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in statistics and and so we got to talking about it and when we did, uh it finally got around to thing where he said, "Uh, well, I'll tell you what. You tell me the outcome and I'll make the statistics work. [laughter]

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So, you know what it means is you can listen to all these experts on all kinds of different things, but you know, they're like hired guns. They're paid to do that job. And it seems here, although we thought we had negotiated some sort of a small area study that included a

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lot of participation, that what really has happened is you've got Brad Parish running it. And Brad's just convinced this 2016 study is the way to go. And he actually wanted to move forward with the

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plan that Colter Tulon presented in the first place. So there's a bit of prejudice there. And then you go out and you hire a a firm ACOM that has a long history of site planning and development and things like that. Their whole

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springloaded uh motivation is to dig it up and develop it and build houses. So nobody else was given any opportunity input on this thing. And it just seems like what you're con what you're creating here is

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a $78,000 disaster. What's going to happen is you're going to do this thing and try to ram it down our throats. It's going to be another end run around trying to get this development thing uh done as cool as two on Cter wanted it.

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And in the end, everybody's going to be all upset about it. We're going to have to bring in hundreds of people again yelling, screaming to bring the pitchforks and we don't want to do that. What we really want to do is come up with a really good solution that works for everybody. and it's not going to work for too long uh the way they

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planned it originally. It's not going to probably work for the citizens the way they really wanted it originally. But hopefully we come up with some middle ground, but it isn't going to happen if the players in the game aren't open-minded to a lot of other changes. And it doesn't seem like that's the way

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it is. So hopefully we can come up with a better idea. you spending $78,000 on this thing is just you might as well throw a party and everybody be a lot happier or flush it down the toilet or do something. But you know, we lost a million dollar worth of assets out

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there. Why spend all this money with a company that you know is going to be a big problem in the end? That's it. Thank you. >> Thank you, city clerk. >> Yes, sir. We have one last card for consent. is Lis Lisa Moer

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and I think she's declining to speak. >> Thank you very much. >> City Council, >> City Council member MCoso. >> Yes, thank you. Um, I have a lot of notes, so let me see if I can make them

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coherent. Um, I [clears throat] do think the intent behind this was to do something good for the community. Um, I know that our city manager added, um, additional funds so that we could have more community input. So, um, I think

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the heart behind it was good and, um, maybe it was, uh, misinterpreted. I also want to say, as for, uh, Mr. Staler, I've repeatedly asked and asked them to confirm that he would not be on the project if it were moving forward. And, um, and that was confirmed again

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tonight. Um, there are some things I do like about it. I like that we were trying something. I like that we were looking um for for the the public that maybe isn't aware, there were four different things that they were going to

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be looking at. Maybe a storm water park, um passive park. So, different things. I do like that the study included um not only those options, but it included possible sources of how we would get the funding. So, I thought that was a positive thing. What I don't like is

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we're consistently pingponging between two companies, ACOM and Chemly Horn. Um, and I don't think this went out for an RFP, um, from my understanding, but um, Kevin, maybe you can speak to that. Um, I think it was one of those. It's uh, we

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know that the community would not want Kimley Horn and so it went to ACOM. Can you confirm that or did it go out for an RFP? >> Well, this is under the master agreement for our consultants. award. There's five consultants on that contract. Acom and Kimley are the only two awarded the

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public works side and then the others are utility oriented. So the others don't have a planning function. They're solely utility oriented, the other three. >> Okay. >> But the the RFP was a 2017 award, a 2020 RFP for continuing consultant services.

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>> Okay. Um so I thought there were some really good suggestions, Tony. I like the idea of uh the community and the developer sitting down. I'm not sure what result we would get from that. Um but it's always good to try to talk with people. Um

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you know, I I don't know if Royal Oak would be interested in presenting some solutions um that they could see being feasible. Um, one thing I was thinking is we just approved the $700,000 storm water study and so it might be um it

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might be good to wait until that comes back to actually see what that says because a lot of the things Miss Baker was recommending I'm hoping the storm water um study will show us some of that. And so it might be good to put a pause on this. I I'm up for, you know,

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maybe putting out a different RFP or maybe putting a pause until we can actually see what that storm water study does. um because I love that suggestion of all the things it could look into, but that is going to be very expensive and and we have something that we're hoping will do that as well. So, those

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would be my suggestions on this. >> Member Stokel. >> Yeah, I think my my thing that I was hoping for with the study was the storm water specifically. And as I was going through it, looking at the exclusions,

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I it looked like off-site utility, storm water or roadway improvements, environmental site in assessments, wetland. Those are my key areas that I was hoping to get from this study. And I feel like I I I think the format itself

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could be um doable if we were to move citizen input toward the beginning and then scenarios. I I'm not opposed to the scenarios presented, but I think if citizen input was at the beginning and then they could potentially add scenarios, I'd be okay. Before I I want

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us to spend $70,000. I feel like I do want to know more about the storm water. I had just had a citizen from that area text me from the rainstorm today what it looks like. And I said, we could come up with a good idea, but until I feel confident about the storm water part, I I feel like I would not be able to make

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an informed decision. So that's kind of where I'm at right now. >> Thank you, Member Stokl. And I think it's also important to remind everybody how we got here was, you know, we listened to the citizens and did not approve the project unanimously and uh

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the citizens said we wanted a study and I think Tom was just working hard to get a study done uh to help alleviate their concerns and make sure that we had a solid plan going forward. Um the study obviously doesn't sound ideal. Uh but

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we'll we'll see what we can do on this. Vice Mayor Cole, I don't feel good about it either. >> I don't. And um I I guess my question is when we talked about this initially, we said that we would have, you know, total citizen involvement in it and and that's

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what I didn't see. I agree with member Mscoso that maybe we should do the uh storm water study first because the storm water study may reveal a lot of things that this smallcale study won't

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reveal. So I I'm I don't feel good about it either. Okay. >> All right. Well, in that case, I'm going to ask for a motion to approve items A, B, C, E, F, G.

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>> So moved. [snorts] >> Second. [laughter] >> All right. I have a motion to approve items A B CDE. Sorry, AB C E FG. U motioned by member Stokol, seconded by Vice Mayor Cole. Um, any further

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discussion from this board? City clerk. >> Member Moscoso. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole? >> Yes. >> Member Stol? >> Yes. >> I um can I have a motion to

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not approve item 8 D? >> I'll make a motion to not approve item 8 D. >> Second. >> I have a motion by Vice Mayor Cole, a second by member Mscoso. Uh any further discussion?

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Seeing none, city clerk, >> Mayor Connors, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole, >> yes. >> Member Stokel, >> yes. >> Member Muscoso, >> yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you very much, city manager,

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sir. Moving on to ordinances, second reading or actually uh it's public hearing and the following item is subject to quasi judicial procedures. So the uh city attorney will go ahead and read those procedures. Then I'll introduce the item.

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>> During the public hearing portion of this meeting, anyone wishing to speak on a quasi judicial item must complete and sign a speaker card along with the corresponding oath of on the card. The cards are located on the table in the front of chambers. City staff will make

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the initial presentation and then the applicant will present. Then the hearing will be open for public comments and those who wish to make a public comment on the item will speak third. The applicant may make a brief rebuttal if they desire. Witnesses may be cross-examined and all photographs,

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sketches, documents for the hearing must be submitted to the city clerk and will be retained by the city. Members, please disclose any exparte communications or site visits at this time. >> Member Muscoso none. Vice Mayor Cole,

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>> I've received uh numerous texts, but it has not swayed me one way or the other. >> Member Stokel. >> None. >> I actually got asked about this while I was doing occupational therapy one day, but um I just informed them about the

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process, so I'm good. Thank you. >> Right. City manager. >> Yes, sir. So this is the 9A public purpose variance application number 1-20 and this is 2026. This is to consider the requested

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variance to allow imperous service cover suffrage to exceed the maximum limits established within the areas of critical concern and potable water wellhead protection zones for property located at 665 North Singleton Avenue, Tyson, Florida. And I'll have Brad introduce

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the item. The staff report or the portion of the staff report I'm going to start with is on page 376 of your packet. We'll just go into a little bit of the background on the property is zoned P public. Uh the surrounding districts uh

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the pro subject property is bordered by a mix of public and residential zoning districts. Properties to the east is the Arthodon airport which is also publicly zoned. To the west are residential properties within the Gardenale neighborhood which are zoned single family. The site also fronts North

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Singleton Avenue, a collector road that provides access to the surrounding residential area and adjacent public uses. The property consists of approximately four 4.4 acres and is developed as an existing community park. It's owned by Bvard County. The area

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proposed improvements encompasses approximately 1.4 acres within the larger parcel. The site is generally rectangular in shape, so there's nothing unusual about the shape of the property. There are recreational facilities on the property, several tennis courts, raetball courts, and open space and

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circulation areas. On page 3 uh 77 or I'm sorry, the beginning of on the bottom of page 376 rather and 377 are the criteria. This is called a variance or rather a public purpose variance before you. So is not

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before the board of adjustment. It's before the city council. The criteria are specific to for you to consider uh separate from the board of adjustment. They include the project has been found to serve a public purpose. So you have to establish that. The second criteria is the granting of the variance is

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consistent with the overall intent of the regulations. It would not be contrary to the public interest. The variance granted is the minimum necessary to make possible uh full implementation of the public purpose project. The activity would provide direct public benefits which would exceed those that may be lost to the

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public. And finally, the applicant has demonstrated a bonafide need for the variance based upon operational necessity and due to the conditions of the project and or property, the literal application or enforcement of the city's regulations would result in a practical difficulty or unnecessary hardship. So

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the the onus is on the applicant to prove the hardship. On page 378 of your packet, I'm just going to refer to one paragraph there that specifically describes the actual variances. There are three variances here for you to consider. You can make a motion on each variance separately. Um

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or you can do them collectively. Uh section 30-207 paragraph AB limits impervious surface coverage within the area critical concern on welfield areas to 40% on each property. So whatever is being proposed developed can't exceed that 40%. The applicant is asking for

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relief from that standard to go up to 52.26%. Section 30-207A6 of the of the code establishes more restrictive limits near municipal wells. There's a well very close to this property and the limitation is 20% within a certain distance of that well.

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The applicant is requesting to exceed that up to 34.73%. And then in the same section there is another distance um between 300 and 750 ft of that well there is a maximum 25%

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uh threshold and the applicant is asking to increase uh exceed that up to 66.6%. On page 379, we reviewed the criteria. Uh we looked at the hardship. We believe that we can the staff can support the request. So we

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recommend approval of these three variances. You will see on page 388 of your packet an aerial to kind of illustrate uh the location of

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the property and what's currently there on the property. Now, um, we did not include in your packet the exhibit that was submitted to us by the applicant that showed the actual improvements. We have given that to you separately. Um, and those include pickle ball courts,

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uh, an expanded bathroom, restroom area, and, uh, impervious surfaces for a driveway and some parking spaces. With that, I'll try to answer any questions you have. The applicant is also here to answer any questions. >> Member Stokel. >> Yes. Um, that was my question actually

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because I have been looking at 388 and [snorts] I I guess I'm wondering where do the pickle ball pickle ball courts go? I'm very familiar with that space as it currently is. So how much of that open space grass is proposed to be developed in ratio to this I guess and

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then that's so that's one portion if you want to do that part first and then my second question uh has more to do with the wellfield and that impact I guess. >> Sure. So the the actual improvements are going to be located if you look at the

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aerial you'll see on the >> the tennis courts at the very bottom that are very southern tennis courts just to the west of them or southwest of there will be some pickle ball courts and they're proposed to have four of them there. Uh there is a structure uh to the north of the property where there's sidewalks on both sides very small structure that

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is supposed to be expanded to make the restrooms ADA compliant. >> Okay. And then to the west along Singleton, there is a looks like a a gravel driveway that's supposed to be improved. >> So overall, it's about 1.4 acres of land that will be improved.

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>> How many um courts will be built in addition to what's already there with the tennis courts? >> Uh four pickle ball courts for >> and then the rest of it will stay open space as it is. >> Yes. >> Okay. And then now fast forwarding to the Wellfield area. Um

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how so say this gets approved what what does that mean in terms of our water supply? >> Uh we believe it would be negligible because of >> but it won't impact it at all. It would it's fine. We want to be cautious but with the this amount of improvements it should not impact it.

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>> We thought we believe that the impact is minimal. Um so we believe it meets the minimum variance necessary um mainly because of the adjacent properties. because of all the open. That's what I was wondering. And so assuming that stays zoned as it is and the land use is

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there, we shouldn't have an issue. Now, if that were to get different land use or resoning potentially, then >> that's that's possible. Yes. So, we have to consider it then. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Anybody else from council questions for Mr. Parish? [clears throat]

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Seeing none, city clerk. >> We have the um applicant here, Mike Butcher and David Tom. >> We have our engineer here. >> Thank you very much. David Hbert, >> I wish you would have put the improvements on the uh agenda because it

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would have made life a whole lot easier for me. Uh pickle ball is a big craze now. It is great to have them. Uh but it's not really worth sacrificing any grease [clears throat] need water dehydrated. Uh any of the green space or the aquifer uh don't

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really need to build new one. Two tennis courts will make six pickle ball courts. Uh not so many people play tennis there anymore. There's more pickle ball, so you can just convert the one and then you won't have to worry about it. It's a whole lot cheaper to do. There's plenty of companies that do it. It's actually a

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a booming business right now. So that's all. >> Thank you. City clerk. >> The last card is Stan Johnston. My name is is Stan Johnson. I'm an engineer and uh I am for this project. I

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don't think it's it's that detrimental. Um and I I I'm looking at at how this was adopted. The area of critical concern happens to be this by this same uh same project 1985 freshwater

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management study. So what has happened in the last 40 years? Well, in the last 40 years, the city of Tyville has not revised their areas of critical concern. Let me say that again. In the last 40

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years, we've had numerous wells that have been abandoned, not shown on not shown in this study and there has not been any changes in

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area of critical concern. Um, I find that to be a problem and it's a restriction that shouldn't be had on some properties. I know that I lived on Evergreen Avenue for many years and we had a street over Grove Street, we had

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numerous wells that are now abandoned. So, um uh I what I'm trying to say is is that uh uh the city doesn't know what they're doing

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in many ways with this study, freshwater management study. In other words, we're not updating it. and we're uh and we've we've uh created uh nonsense by building these dams that we have in the city. So,

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I don't think I have anything else to share, but u it's a u something written here. It's it's it's it has some questions that are unanswered that I've unanswered before. Like for example, how in the world can we build dams and then have

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them uh lower the 100-year flood plane by over a foot? Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City Clerk, are there any others? >> Yes, sir. >> All right. Thank you. Um, Mr. Ian, I do have a question for you.

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>> Either one. I mean, it's more of a process issue because, you know, I have been asked about that from the public as to why we're looking at new pickle ball courts versus, you know, maybe refurbishing and remodeling some of the tennis courts.

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And while this is a county park and this is a county project that just happens to be in our city, it's not really us to design that, but it is, I think, a fair question. >> Sure. Ian Golden County Parks and Recreation Department. Uh what we have found is that once we provide a service

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an amenity when we take that away we get push back. We did have the funds available and the space available once we get through this process to add additional amenities there. And as you heard earlier we do want to make sure that we make ADA compliance on the bathroom as well as provide more stable

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surfaces for the driveway and some parking. And another thing to add to that, David Tom with Construction Engineering Group, um, is the the pickle ball court option of going on to the tennis courts was brought up. Um, but it

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was decided that with the use of the tennis courts as they are now. They hold tournaments there. You guys have built tournaments there. I think the high school uses the the courts as well for tournaments. Um, and I think you asked, sorry I didn't get your name, but um,

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the the courts are 60 by 120 feet. And then we also are adding a storm water pond there, a large uh, dry retention area to treat all of this new impervious that we're providing. We're not relying on any existing permits that were

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already issued to the city in the past. So that we did a new permit and we have that St. Johnson has issued that permit to us. And so there out in front of the parking that's there that was just gravel. It's all being stabilized now.

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And some the parking is going to remain as grass parking, but the driveway will be paved. Um and we did also add two handicap parking spaces there as well to for ADA accessibility along with the new bathroom. So we we've kept it as small

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as we could. We've listened to the city. We've had that we've been talking to the city for over two years on this project trying to get minimize as much impact as we needed to to get this completed. >> Thank you very much for the explanation. Now, one last question. Are you guys

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cutting down any trees to build the >> um >> pickle ball court? >> I think we do have a removal of a tree or two. Let me check real quick. Uh the answer is no. We are not. >> Okay. >> No no no trees and we'll be putting um

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um we have made a submitt to the city staff and they've made comments and um after we get through this process. We'll we'll finish responding to those. But we do have some additional um landscaping that's being put around the bathroom

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building. >> Thank you very much. That was just a a concern I heard was that, you know, the one shade tree that's there was coming down to build the pickle ball courts and I just wanted to >> No, the big tree is remaining. There's one big one right next to the retention pond and we stayed away from that and

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we're protecting that. >> Well, I very much appreciate y'all doing that. It's just when I looked at it on the map, I was like, I don't think this is impacting the tree, but you know, from the aerial view of where the shade is, it was kind of hard to tell. So, I just wanted to confirm with you guys. >> I appreciate you very much for answering my question. Did anybody else have any questions?

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Seeing none. Thank you very much. >> Uh Mr. Vice Mayor, >> uh yes. Uh well, I'm going to make the motion, but I also want to say that if they were to put the pickle ball courts on the tennis court, it makes it a

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little complicated for tennis players because that puts a lot of lines on a tennis court. >> Already there. >> They're already there. Okay. All right. >> All right. eight. >> So my motion is the public p purpose

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variance application number one 2026 Singleton Tennis Courts 665 North Singleton Avenue. I move for approval. >> All right, we're going to call these votes individually. Uh so second >> the first one will be uh the motion will

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be made for section uh 30-207A subsection five. Uh so is that your motion? Yes, >> I have a motion by Vice Mayor Cole. I have a second by member Stokal. Discussion. >> I just had a comment to make and it it's

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a little bit off topic, but I don't know if you remember me. You actually taught me how to play pickle ball at the Y. So [laughter] anyway, >> thank you. >> All right. So, I have a motion by Vice Mayor Cole to approve uh section 30-207A

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subsection 5 of the public purpose variance and second by member Stokal. Um, city clerk. >> Vice Mayor Cole? >> Yes. >> Member Stokal? >> Yes. >> Member Moscoso? >> Yes. >> Mayor Connor? >> Yes.

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Can I have a motion to approve the public purpose variance section 30-207A subsection 6? I'll make that motion. >> Second. I >> have a motion by Vice Mayor Cole, second by member Stokel. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk.

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>> Member Stokl. >> Yes. >> Member Moscoso? >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole? >> Yes. >> And can I have a motion to approve the public purpose variance section 30-207A subsection 6B? >> Motion.

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>> Second. I have a motion by Vice Mayor Cole, second by member Stokel. Any discussion? City clerk. >> Member Moscoso. >> Yes. >> Mayor Connors. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cole? >> Yes. >> Member Stokel? >> Yes. >> Motion carries. Thank you very much. Appreciate the county working with us to

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improve that park. Thank you very much. [applause] >> All right, city manager. I believe we're on to the landscape gateway improvements. Next item is uh item 11, old business item A and that is the landscape gateway improvement

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feasibility study. As you recall back on August 12th, 2025 at the city council meeting, you authorized staff to evaluate the advisability of hiring and landscape consultant to assess landscaping throughout the city focusing

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on city entryways, major corridors, rights of way, medians on both state and city maintained roads within city limits. And the recommended action is to provide direction on the task proposal from ACOM technical services for the landscape gateway improvement

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feasibility study in amount of $78,700. And our public works director is here to answer any questions. Thank you, city manager, city clerk. >> David Hobert, >> he did leave. If he comes back in, we'll call him up. Is there

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>> Elizabeth Baker? So once again, we're looking at ACOM. Um, it seems like an awful lot of money to study how we're going to make things pretty when we have a lot of infrastructure problems. My

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really what I really just want to make sure of is that our exwater resources director doesn't have any hand in anything that goes on here. That's all. >> Thank you very much, city clerk. >> Tony She notes. I've been following the link

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gateway project for a while. The cities engaged ACOM to design selected gateways in major intersections. This initiative focuses on transferring ordinary crossings into memorable gateways. The primary goal is to evaluate the

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city's plant pallets and signage creating a cohesive visual identity and branding that reflects the community's values and sense of place. Those are quotes. Sound familiar? It should. We've had that study done already. Where's the marketing alliance

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firm that you hired a couple of months ago to uh promote and brand the city? Can't they do that? And what about your beloved Chemly Horn? My file folder dated September 25th for lands of 2025

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for landscape gateway plan shows that March 10th, 2020, council approved a work order to Kimley Horn for $25,180 to provide landscape design for nine gateway locations. Mr. Mayor, six of which are on this proposal tonight. May

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2021, Kimley Horn presented their plan. August 2021, council approved unanimously landscape gateway and signage work to Kimley Horn. This time for $29,959.84 for the final design of selected gateways. The addition of two gateway

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concepts and gateway signage designs. This is 2021. Laura October of 2021, Laura Lee Thompson made a presentation about TEC's motion to append this amend the resolution so that at least 50% of

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the landscape trust fund of $423,000 which you were usurping to use for this gateway stuff, but that 50% should be prioritized for canopy trees and places for public benefit leaving over $200,000

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mayor to make the gateways. I stood before council to ask you to consider using the landscape trust fund for urban forestry projects rather than spending the majority of the fund on these landscape concept plans.

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August 27th, 2024, council awarded landscape gateway contract for 566,17363 to construct two landscape gateway improvements. I'm going to take a little bit more time. I got two more paragraphs. Then at the August 12th,

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2025 council meeting, council was blindsided by the mayor, who authorized staff to evaluate hiring a landscape consultant to assess landscaping throughout the city, focusing on city entryways and major corridors, gateways.

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Redundant much? >> Tonight, I'm going to finish. Tonight, the cost to taxpayers will be $78,700 for a landscape gateway improvement feasibility study. >> For a few dollars more, why don't you just Why don't you just let me finish,

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please? 30 seconds. May I have 30 seconds? >> Can I make a motion to give Mr. Flu an extra 30 seconds >> for a few motion? I don't see a second. The motion >> there's a for a few dollars more. >> But that doesn't mean there's a vote.

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>> Go ahead and vote. All right, call the RO. City clerk. >> For a few dollars more, why don't you have staff, the TEC taxpayers and council review the $55,000 study done by

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Kimley Horn just two years ago and have the gateways done the way they proposed it. >> Thank you, Miss Shel. Please keep under order. Um, city clerk, I think David Hullborth.

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>> Yes, David Hullbert. >> Sorry about that. I was going over the plans that weren't posted on the agenda with the county guys. Uh, so the landscape program, I'm kind of confused how it's the same price as the uh Royal Oak proposal. The Royal Oaks lot bigger

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proposal, has meetings, things like that. How is it the exact same price? Seems like they're ripping you off. Honestly, that that's basically it. >> Thank you, city clerk. >> Kathleen or work.

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>> You know how they say you learn something new all the time? Well, I've just learned something new. Um, and it seems to me that um we have ACOM or we have Kimley Horn. And those are the two options that we just go to when we want

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something and we don't look for who might be best. I really believe that Tomati wanted our study to have community participation, >> city clerk, >> but you don't have anybody out there who's able to do this because you're

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just giving these contracts to only these two people and not open RFPs. So my question for the council is what is the dollar amount at which you need to advertise to others than those you have pre-seelected? Is there one? How is this

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process? Because I never knew and I've been coming here a long time. I never knew this was the way it worked. So any information for citizen who is trying to figure out how this happened? >> If you're going to yield the rest of

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your time, I'll have staff answer. Sure. >> I'm just standing here waiting in case they ask me something. >> You're yielding the rest of your time. >> I'm yielding. >> Kevin, >> uh I believe the CCNA construction requirements 7.5 million and studies are

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three quarter of a million dollars that you must go out. You cannot use continuing services for anything above 3/4 million for a study or 7.5 million. It's category 4 under the statute. I think they moved it up to 7.5 million for construction cost. So any study below 750,000 can be used

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any of the consulting services that were awarded under continuing contract under CCNA can be utilized. >> Interesting. Well, it's a sad state. >> City clerk >> Lee Thompson.

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Orley Thompson, Mims, Florida. So, we spent all that money on two landscape projects um at I95 and 50 and I 95 and State Road 406. And within 2 months after the landscaping went in, the areas

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looked worse than they did before the landscaping went in because the weeds were taller than the flowers. The city does not have a very good track record of maintaining these projects once they go in. And hundreds of thousands of

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dollars worth of the citizens money that came out of the landscape trust fund. And that money is put into the landscape trust fund by developers who clearcut uh subdivisions to um to put in houses. And

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so that money is it should be used to plant more canopy trees in areas in the city that need shade and need trees. Should not be used on planting flowers out by I95 that are just going to get

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ignored. and and then and then they were the wrong kind of plants um that can't survive a freeze. So, the final straw was when they um they all froze. So, um I made a point of going by um Highway 50

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intersection at I 95 on my way to the meeting tonight and it absolutely it looks better now with the grass that's growing there than it did when the landscaping was there. I I think that, you know, I don't know where the money is going to come from to pay for the

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$78,000, but we just like like Tony said, we just two years ago paid Kimley Horn to do the exact same thing. And we spent $500,000 out of the landscape trust fund to do two intersections that now are

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completely mowed over and grass is growing there again. And I think we should put the brakes on this this proposal and talk about what it is that we want. But I I think that the money should not come out of the public landscape trust fund. I think that that

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money should be used to plant canopy trees to replace the trees that were torn down to begin with. Thank you. >> Thank you, city clerk. >> The last call to Stan Johnston. I had some nice things to say. >> Really hot things to say.

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>> Okay. Should we wait for her? >> You have the floor, Mr. Johnson. Well, >> I wish she was here to hear this because I'm going to say something that that you're not going to like hearing. It's about a guy that you a lot of you guys like him a whole lot. And he's with a and I didn't know till today that he is

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with AEOM. Mr. Mr. Uh Fiser, Mr. Fiser, Mr. Fiser in 2012 was the uh county commissioner for us and he did some good things. He got a bunch of roads paved in Scotsmore and so forth. He did about 100 miles of it should have been done a long time ago. We had some good people in in

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the county to do that and I worked on that in the county. Uh and uh but was so I I came to visit Mr. coal because of these dams that were built the senior center which is Bvard County property and I said they're illegal. They're illegal. And I explained to him and so

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forth like that is that uh that at that time they were flooding the streets. Fish were going flooding the streets and we had videos uh on our uh overheads and so forth of flooding and fish fish swimming in the streets. >> Your caution for not being on topic.

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>> Okay. Well, Mr. Okay. I do not want to approve anything that's involved with Mr. Fiser because what he did is he approved that project and it had no calculations for a dam. No calculations, no survey of what it did

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and it had other things. It had uh it take took property. So what I So Mr. Mr. Fiser, I hope he's listening to this, but he lied. He lied big time and he's with this AECOM. That's a horrible lie. It breaks all kinds of laws in in

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engineering and and as far as I'm concerned, I was spit on by him and so was these other people right now who are flooded by these two dams. Mr. Mr. Fiser was very much uh >> Mr. Johnson, have a seat. You're off topic. >> Yeah, I was just saying that that I

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don't I I won't I won't vote for anybody >> who uh uses it. >> Thank you. >> And I think that's that's an issue. >> Well, we're talking about trees. I have a seat. >> Okay. I'm I have a seat, but I'm doing it under what do you call duress. >> All right. >> Thank you, >> city clerk.

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>> All right. Welcome back, member Stokel. >> Yes. So, u Mr. Cook, I'm looking at the scope of the project and it doesn't appear that this overlaps with the 95 entrances of 50 and Garden Street. Am I correct in reading that? >> You're correct. I'll answer four.

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>> All right. So, it's the rest of the city that wasn't basically on our commercial corridors. And step one in planting any trees and the medians of our state roads, US1 50 Garden Street is FDOT requires you to

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have a landscape architect do the design. Is that correct? >> If they're in the state roads. Yes. >> Yes. So, the goal here was to put together a plan so that we can beautify um the streets uh of Titusville. Yes, using funds from the transportation

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trust fund which if you cut down a tree whether it's a developer or non-developer you pay into that fund. So we are using these funds to put together a plan to beautify our city with new plantings. Now it might not be ideal uh

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exactly what you know everybody wants but at the end of the day the goal was to move a little bit more forward and plant more trees. So that's my saying in it. I didn't ambush, but the goal of this council is to bring up ideas and things that we hear from the community because I

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represent the entire community and I was, you know, came somebody came to me with this idea. I didn't come up with it myself, but I thought it was a good idea and I felt like it was worth having that discussion. Council agreed and now here we are where we have an opportunity to

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move forward with this project or not. Member Mscoso. >> Thank you. I think the the intent was good that we we wanted to beautify. So, I would agree with you on that. Um I think we have to look at our track record and that is my main concern. Um

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you're right. This doesn't uh include the corridors that were previously done. I am very salty about this. I every time I drive and go to 95, I am just shocked by it. And I asked for the numbers and I just want to make sure everyone knows it

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was over it was over 600,000 not 500,000 um for small plants 50 and 95 120,000 for large plants 39,000 for state road 406 and 95 160,000 for small plants and for large plants

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111,000 um and then there's numbers for irrigation and things like that and you're right it's all dead I I mean, it looked beautiful the first day, but then trash started getting in there and grass started growing up and it couldn't be cut and now you've got these large weeds. I know they're holding on to uh

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some of those plants, but um I don't want history to repeat itself, especially if we don't know um if we don't have a maintenance plan. Um I did talk to Michael today from um the TEC and he mentioned um the urban forest and

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how they're doing a study and that might be able to include part of this. Um I also asked how much money we had left in the um tree mitigation fund and that's over $800,000. So that's important to know. So I think the idea was good for me. I don't feel like we are able to um

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unfortunately keep things maintained perhaps where it's lack of staff or I'm not sure what the issue is, but I do not want to approve a study and then possibly more plantings and then uh the same thing happened. I believe the last time the community came up and said

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these plants are not going to work there. I I remember or I've heard, let me just say that um that the community even stated that the plants they were planting, they knew from the very beginning it was not going to work. And so we've got a lot of really intelligent people in our community that I feel like

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could help us with this. I know that for the gateways we do need um a landscape architect, but perhaps there are other things that we can do um within the community. That's also why we have the TEC. So I'm I'm not in favor of moving this forward at the moment.

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>> Member Stokel. >> Yes. Um so this is coming out of our transportation fees. Is that correct? >> There's no established funding. >> So this is out of the general fund potentially or if we were to vote in favor, do we know what? >> We do not know where that we're asking

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for direction from you. >> Okay. Okay. Um and then >> member Stokal that was the discussion at the time when we made the motion okay that's where I was getting to use uh the landscape trust fund okay for these dollars. Okay. And I do think that this

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was good intent because I was there during the discussion of the 95 and the major corridors and one of the biggest complaints we were getting is please clean up the blight. [snorts] Please clean up the blight from our city. And so that was the first starting point and I think this was going to be the second starting point. But um I think as was

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mentioned if we do things and they don't stay that way, it's a waste of money. Um, and so I think that's kind of where I'm at as well until I can feel confident if we are going to invest in beautifying our city. If I cannot be guaranteed that we can maintain that, I don't feel good about spending the

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dollars. So part of me is saying, why don't we hold off until we have that dis maybe more discussion at our retreat. Um, I just don't feel comfortable spending it until I have those answers. Vice Mayor. >> Well, while I agree with that and and

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maybe we ought to look into trying to have some sort of maintenance contract on these things, but this is a feasibility study to I mean, it's not something that we have to implement, but it's something we have that we know we can use and it's as a feasibility study,

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we will be able to review it and add to or take away from it. So, I'm not sure I want to delay the feasibility study because it's not putting any plants in or anything like that. And obviously, we don't have we don't even know how much

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it's going to cost us to do this. But we do need to be beautify the area if we can and if we can find the funds to do it. >> Member Muscoso. >> Yeah. Um I would say like the feasibility study I I get where you're coming from. This does not include

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engineering, irrigation, permitting, traffic analysis, construction documents, public engagement process, or implementation. It's really a conceptional planning. That's it for $80,000.

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>> Things are expensive. >> All right. Thank you very much. Well, it sounds like, you know, obviously we're probably not going to reach consensus on this. So, um might be a good idea if uh we table the item to another um agenda

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down the road. Um anybody have any suggestions on that? Maybe after we do a few budget workshops. >> Yes. >> All right. So, can I have a motion to table this item? I'll make a motion that we table this item and we put it on our

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agenda for our uh workshop retreat that we're having the end of the month and so we can discuss it there a little bit. I mean, but I still make the motion to table it. >> All right. So, I have a motion to table until after our budget workshops later

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in the fall. >> Second. >> Second by member Stokal. Any further discussion? All is that >> Sorry, I just have a discussion. If we discuss it there then um depending on the outcome would it come back and then appear perhaps on the consent agenda or

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under old business or >> depend on us? >> It would depend on the discussion being made and if it gets brought up again and council decides to bring it up at a future meeting. Yeah, it could come back up on old business. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Any further discussion? Seeing none, all

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those in favor say I. >> I. >> Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. Any uh new business? Seeing none, petitions and requests from the public. Non-aggenda items. >> Darcia Bayer. This council has often

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talked about social media sources and implied information being shared isn't act isn't accurate or factual. At the same time, a member of this council seems to be actively using other social media sources to spread their own propaganda. There have been three

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stories in the last week shared locally on a social media site that has always seemed to post stories that have an angle that support one narrative. Ironically, the site doesn't seem to get the same backlash as others. That source seems to be pointing blame

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at the current city manager for his lack of accountability for 20 years as the assistant manager. as an attempt for a power grab. While I'm not interested at the power grab that I believe is behind the articles, I do believe that the city manager has been complicit with what has

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been happening within our city for the last 20 years. It was his job to oversee finance and purchasing. I'm once again calling for a forensic audit. Now, on to the next frustration that I have with the city. As a citizen of Titusville, I have grown increasingly frustrated with

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the city's website. Last week, I tried to look up June's calendar and add things to my personal calendar. While there's a drop down that appears that I can pick the month of June, nothing happens. This feels intentional. I've also spent some time trying to look for the city's charter. So far, I have yet

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to even find it and have no clue where it exists online. It feels intentional that things are difficult to access there. This is another example of how the city is lacking in transparency and making things difficult for us to access as citizens. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> Anybody else petitions and requests from the public? Non-aggenda items. Seeing none, moving on to mayor and council reports. Member Mscoso. >> Thank you. Um, I wanted to recognize um, we got an

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email about one of our officers who um, jumped into the river and saved I believe it was um, three individuals. Um, officer Vanzil. So, I just want to make sure that we recognize that. Um, also I had the opportunity to go out on

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a ride along with TPD this morning to check out all the uh school zone cameras and um that was really really good and we were able to um you know they know my stance. I'm not I'm not for them but I thought it was really good because I needed some understanding of where the

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cameras actually were. um you know and I had a lot of questions and I think we were able to um they were able to help me understand that we had over um I think the report said 13 they're saying 14,000 warnings in 2 months and that's only uh

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six or seven school zones. That's not including the phase 2 that's going to be coming out. I did ask for clarification that in phase two that um there will be a 60-day warning period as well. So that will happen there, which I think is really important. Um, obviously there's

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a lot of questions about this. People are are confused. Um, and I think we need to do a little bit of a better job of making sure that we're educating people. Um, and we spoke about this and so one of the ideas was to make sure we put it on the water bill. Um, because there's a lot of people that don't don't go to our website or they don't use

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Facebook. Um, we also discussed maybe putting it on the city marquee so that people are are aware. If this is passed, then I think we've got to do our best to make sure that we're educating people on this. I personally don't want people to be getting I don't want people speeding. I don't want people getting tickets, but

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this is where we're at. And so, making sure we do our best to to educate people. Um, we talked about it being during the summer, and I beg them, please do not have them on the summer. I think they're looking into it. I I I don't think it will be during the summer, but I want them to be able to confirm that. Um, but it was a really

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good ride along. They answered a lot of questions. Um I would say if people are getting warnings well the warning period is over. If you're getting tickets um you can we're asking I'm asking TPD if they would um set up an email as well so that when people reach out to us and ask

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questions or they want to send I mean I've had people show me all of their warnings. We can also um recommend that they email them in and they can ask the questions directly to TPD. Um and they said that they would respond. Um, I also asked about the oversight of um, who's

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checking all of these, like how were you able to check 14,000 tickets? Um, so Officer Gonzalez told me he is the one who's checking for anomalies and he's he's looking through that. They're not just, uh, clicking through everything. So, um, a lot of good questions were asked. They they

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were able to give me a lot of good information. Um, but I think it's a work in progress. Um, still don't like them at all. Um, but we're going to do the best that we can. And you know, my hope is that people we don't speed and then we can get rid of them completely. That would be the ultimate goal in my

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opinion. >> Thank you. Member Stokl. >> Yes. Just to clarify, I thought we were told that they would not be running dur when school's not in session. So, no holidays, no breaks, no summer. That's what I thought we had. >> That is correct. That's statue.

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>> Yeah, they did run during spring break. >> They did. Yes. But it's because uh the different there's different school zones that had different so people did get warnings during >> okay >> spring break um and that was because there's different um schools were out at different times. It was actually only

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one school because I asked specifically I think it was only St. Teresa's. So if people got a ticket during spring break it was at St. Terresa's from my understanding. >> Yeah, St. Teresa's has a different schedule than BPS. >> Okay.

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Um, well, does that conclude your report? >> Yes. >> All right. Uh, thank you for the discussion. U Vice Mayor Cole, you want to go? >> Yeah, I work pretty closely with TFD and TP Titusville Police Department. And

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what I'm noticing is that we have some very hightrained and dedicated police officers and we're losing it uh firefighters and police officers and we're losing a lot of our highly trained police officers to other communities

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because we as a city are unable to pay some of the salaries that the county, Orlando, even UCF can pay. So, we're losing these guys. So,

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I don't think city council should impose any type of tax on our citizenry for that. But I think that I would like to make a motion to direct the staff and the city attorney to prepare all

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necessary ballot language, legal documentation, and analysis related to the materials required to place a referendum before the voters of Titusville. So basically, let the citizens make that

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decision. if you know we know we need to have a strong public safety police department, fire department, but we need need to be able to keep these guys. We just finished our uh union negotiations

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and we see how prices are rising. We don't want to increase taxes obviously, but if you, the citizens, want to do it, then we can. So, my motion would be to direct the staff and the city attorney

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to prepare all necessary ballot language, legal documents related to the materials required to put a referendum before the voters of Titusville concerning increased funding dedicated solely to police and firefighter

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compensation. >> City attorney. >> Yes. I would just remind uh council and caution council at this point regarding such a a decision on on a magnitude of placing anything on a referendum that we should have put it on the um uh agenda

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for the public's weighin. >> Yeah, I don't think it's uh something we're going to vote on to put on referendum right now. Just uh kick it over to staff to analyze >> to analyze it and to look at it and see what's required and then it'll come back to us. Now, again, it's a council's

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preference. I'm just saying which I've voiced before uh what I classify as the drive by motions for us to not have um these things be heard or motioned on or voted on without the public's uh notice of it. That's all.

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>> So, so let me ask you this question. Do you think that maybe I can withdraw the motion and then we have it on the and and I request that it's on the agenda for our next council meeting. Would that be the appropriate way as you see it?

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>> Again, yes. Just to have it notice is my um is my recommendation. I understand. >> I do not have a problem with that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> And I think it's about advisability because, you know, we probably need more information before we can make that decision. But, you know, I commend the

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Vice Mayor Cole's efforts to, you know, do do the best we can to help attract and retain the best public servants that we have. You know, I constantly see uh, you know, people say we should we should pay them more. And to that, I agree. But, you know, you can only get so much

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blood out of a turnup. So what can we do uh to not only engage the public so that they feel heard on this item but you know have have that dialogue about what uh attracting and retaining good public servants looks like. >> So um

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>> yeah thank you for bringing this up. Okay >> member Mscoso. >> Sure. I think I mean we just approved the 3% multiplier and I don't even know if we know how much that is going to cost us. This is a this is a big deal that could cost a lot of money and and

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we want to support our police and our fire. But I just had this discussion with um our city manager and from my understanding from our discussion um with the 3% multiplier and then I'm sorry, what is the other thing that that it's called where you pay in in the city's um

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um um what are they they're matching >> 401 >> 403. She's talking about the matching contributions 4%. >> The 4% matching contribution. From my understanding, we have um a a pretty good package. I'm not saying it's the

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best. I will say um my concern even with the 3% multiplier. I will say I didn't understand a lot of it. I'm still trying to understand it. Um is that we need to know what this 3% multiplier is even going to cost us. I think before we >> I do have the actuarial.

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>> Do we have it? Okay. Can you do you have it with you? >> No, I don't have it with me. I believe from our >> it was discussed at the it was passed out at the executive session >> 1.2 million. >> Okay. So that is just going to cost us 1.2 million. >> Funds are available this year for the

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collective bargaining. We have those funds embedded and they will be as part of the FY27 budget. So we will cover those costs. Also the in addition to the multiplier the collective bargaining

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agreements both had pay adjustments for police and fire to make them more competitive. So we have you know made some progress in that direction as well. >> Yeah. So I'm not against us having the discussion um once we've had more time to um research it. I I'm I'm not super

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knowledgeable. I of course want our our um men and women to be paid. Um it looks like we we are trying that with these um with the union and the agreements that we're doing now. And so if we feel like there needs to be more, but I'd love to make sure we know what this is going to

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cost us before we go on to add additional >> Well, that's not what I Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that we put it on a referendum on the ballot so that the public will be

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able to voice their opinions whether they think we can do it because if we keep doing 1.2 it's going to increase every year because prices increase every year. We just lost How many people did you lose chief officers? Didn't you lose a couple of officers recently to

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another? Yes, please. We lost a we lost a senior driver and a company officer and we have 10 vacancies currently. So the there's a cost to a 3% but I'd say there's a higher cost to to

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not having a 3%. You have to weigh that too. >> And I think the steps that we took uh during the collective bargaining agreement was to address the pension. And I think that's a very good step to take. But most of the people starting off early in their career between one

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year and five years of experience are not typically thinking about retirement. They're thinking, how do I pay my mortgage? How do I provide for my family? Gas is $4.58 a gallon. And if we're not competitive on wages, how do we get those, you know, rookie, you

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know, paramedics, drivers to be here 10, 15 years down the road if we can't be competitive? So, I think, you know, it's at least a very good exercise to figure out what it would take for us to be a high-erforming agency and see what that

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looks like. And at the end of the day, if you put it before the voters, they're the ones that ultimately decide uh whether they think that's a good idea or they think it's a bad idea. Um, and then if it's earmarked specifically for that, just like sorrel or, and by the way, it's on your uh tax bill now for

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increased teacher pay. You didn't notice that, that is on there. Um, it wouldn't be the worst thing to have it earmarked. And therefore, depending on if there's leadership changes or administration changes, that stays in place. You know,

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just kind of thinking about all these different things. Thank you very much, Chief. Thank you. >> So, well, Vice Mayor, I I appreciate you bringing it up and uh obviously we'll we're missing somebody and we can have uh maybe another discussion about this

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at the the next meeting and kind of see where it goes. And I know our city attorney is like, "Oh gosh, what would you get us into?" But um you know, hopefully we're not causing no sleep tonight and you can come back with us. >> Sure, if I may. Um the city attorney's

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office is happy to do any legal search either by the vote of or motion and vote by council or individual council. I the city attorney's office serves at the pleasure of council. So I don't you know I'm adverse to the advisability word as everyone knows. So if if there's any

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research on referendum or the legal process, I'm happy to do so without it having to be brought before council. >> All right. Thank you very much. Uh, Vice Mayor, >> let me make sure I understand what you just said. So, you're willing to do this research for the ballot without us

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giving you a motion? >> As far as the process, that's what I'm I think. >> So, maybe at the next meeting when the motion comes up, if when we get it on the agenda, maybe you can give us >> you'll be able to articulate the process. I would provide you a memo

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ahead of time in addition as I normally do in addition to uh articulate any question as it pertains to the legal process in getting any topic or or or anything on topic at a referendum. For sure. Absolutely. Because I think I heard that's what you were perhaps

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asking. >> That's what I was asking. Yes, >> mayor. Vice Mayor, sorry. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, we don't look alike. >> Yep. >> All right. All right. Uh member Stokel. Um, the only thing is just to reiterate if there are any items that you feel

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like we need for our retreat at the end of the month. Um, and I know we've mentioned some at our meetings past, but just if we can have staff prepare that in advance so it can be a productive meeting. That was it. >> Thank you, Member Stokl. I don't have anything tonight. Um, appreciate staff

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for being here and especially our internal auditor and asset manager, uh, Chrissy Lake, I believe her name is. And again, really appreciate their their detailed report. City manager, your report. >> Yes, sir. Besides the uh the asset

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manager report, I just had two info items on city manager report. We're going to be having a summer meal program running from June 1st to middle of July to feed 150 um school age children with food

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insecurities at various locations throughout uh Titusville [snorts] and um it's being sponsored by concerned citizens and the hope for North Bard. We've had a a meeting together to and they'll be using the Harry T-more center

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as a collecting and staging area. So, that's a good thing. And also, as Miss Shifflau indicated earlier, there is a uh workshop on the 28th of May, historic preservation workshop. >> Thank you very much for your report, city attorney.

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>> Nothing. >> All right. Thank you very much. Uh, anybody want to make a motion to adjurnn? >> I'll make a motion to adjourn. >> We're adjourned. We'll see you in two weeks.