Good evening everybody. Hey, I'd like to welcome you to the city of Titusville City Council regular meeting July 22nd, 2025 at 6:30. I'm going to call this meeting to order and for the invocation. Uh we'll have a moment of silence, please.
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approve the minutes of city council meeting on May 27th at 6:30 and special city council meeting on July 12th at 100 p.m. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further council discussion? Seeing none,
all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. City manager. Good evening, mayor and council. Under a special recognition of the presentations, we actually have one additional presentation. It's actually a
three-part presentation on native plantings and incentives, tree canopy coverages and multifamily residential developments, and the critical root zone of trees. And we have our community development director will be doing a presentation.
This this agenda item was originally at a previous meeting I believe in June and um you had asked for it to be or or may rather tabled to this evening. We put it on to the 6:30 meeting so that you can
make action. The presentation I'm going to give you is just a synopsis of what was once given to the city council several years ago related to the tree preservation ordinance that's currently in effect now. On page
70 of your packet, you'll see the ordinance that was adopted in 2020 2021 uh that is currently governing. It was considered to be or called the compromise ordinance at that time
and I do have a presentation I'll give you. So this presentation again was u generally given to you uh several years ago related to this ordinance with some revisions based on what's being proposed uh this evening. You received recommendations or advis or requests
from the Titusville Environmental Commission to make changes further changes to the tree ordinance. You approved those uh requests individually and we were directed to draft three separate ordinances related to three
separate requests from TEC. We have tried to work with the environmental commission on these three ordinances. We would the staff would like to come back to you to ask for further direction. Before I start though, I do want to state that
uh what I'm going to say to you is not a recommendation. I'm simply trying to give you some information related on what's was requested, what we drafted, and what we discussed with TC. And we do not have an opinion either way as to which way is a right way or a wrong way.
But I will did provide to you in the packet and I will state today some things that I will say in support of and also not in support of and any particular direction on these ordinances. In 2019, council approved advisability to create this the amendment to the
current to create the new ordinance that we have currently uh in effect. It was adopted in 2021. Uh it included mandator mandatory preservation increased penalties for untouchable trees. uh it was concerned about clear cutting and they had a few quick winds in there
including administrative waiverss for certain trees and uh less pavement in in critical root zones. There was a timeline from 2019 all the way to 2021. So it was about a two really a two and a half year effort at the time.
There were many versions of that ordinance if some members in the council maybe remember what that what happened. We had a first staff recommendation. We had a TEC version. We even had a U Stu Buchanan version, a compromise ordinance, a second staff recommendation, various versions, even
one that was submitted by Mr. Woody Rice, former director of community development. Uh then a planning and zoning commission version, and then in 2021, September 9th, uh the council adopted a final version that we have in effect now, and we've been working with that ever since.
Uh the ordinance um required or it stated that a single family subdivisions including town homes meet minimum preserved vegetation and tree canopy requirements. All other developments were listed as optional as far as adhering to a minimum canopy requirement. That includes multif family
developments that are not subdividing the land, commercial developments and industrial developments. And so we do have experienced since 2021 several site plans have come in. Those that require a subdivision must fall under this if they're residential. And those that are
not residential uh would have the option of using a canopy. And some actually use it and some find that the other option not having a canopy requirement may be beneficial. It really depends on what they're trying to do. There are three main categories of
trees. Significant specimen heritage. That's what we currently have in place. Uh significant trees are equal to or greater than 14 in diameter breast height and less than 20 in diameter brush height. Specimens between 20 and 46 in. Inheritance trees which are the
largest very large trees of 46 in or greater. The ordinance in 2021 uh stated that there should be a preservation of 75% of heritage trees on site and eliminates would eliminate any kind of review by the development review committee. If you want to go below that, in other words,
when need to request to remove certain heritage trees that would bring you down below that 75% threshold, you would have to justify it through a development review committee. Uh there were incentives to try and uh prevent burning on site. Incentives for
canopy developments, multif family canopy regulations. Um multif family is considered commercial and I'm talking about apartments, duplexes, quads, triplexes, those that do not residential development does not require some kind of subdivision of land
into a into a plat. Subdivisions including town homes um I'm sorry, subdivisions are are going to be required. residential subdivisions. There is there are three ordinances in your agenda packet and I've tried to
divide this agenda into three parts. Um at the end I'm going to ask for some input or direct specific direction. Your direction may be to go forward with the draft ordinance as written and advertise it and get it adopted or send it back to
the TC with specific uh directions on some changes you'd like to see in it or to do nothing with it. Uh the prefers ordinance is called the multif family canopy regulations. So the proposal is a ordinance that will require a minimum canopy requirement on
all residential development regardless if it's going to be a single family subdivision, a town home, a multif family apartment complex, a condo development, a duplex, triplex, or even a quadruplex. Multif family area requirements. Currently there's a 20% canopy
requirement with a minimum preservation of canopy area of 10% and it's been pro and what is being proposed in the ordinance is a 25% canopy area with a minimum preserved canopy area of 15%. We have tried to work with the TC to see maybe we can make some exceptions to
certain small developments, residential developments such as a duplex on a single lot or a uh quadruplex. And the reason is that because there are three uh advisabilities that were previously approved by the city council related to development standards,
development review process, and an advisability that was approved in 2020 encouraging redevelopment in our code. So we look at those as requests by city council to for staff to continue to look at ways to make it easier for small
parcels to be developed, especially infill parcels. We believe that the proposed ordinance, a blanket requirement of a 25% canopy on all residential development, even on small lots, would be a burden and would be contrary to advisabilities that we have currently um approved by city council
directing us to to look at ways to make things easier. So, we went to TC and proposed several uh some ideas. Uh they proposed some counter ideas and some members of the public proposed ideas on what to do about that. And I will like
to point you to page 140 of your packet and I'm sorry page 141. I'm not going to go through the whole ordinance. I just want to highlight one particular item. You'll see in the strike through underline language there uh there is
some there was an attempt by staff to propose maybe a minimum two acre you know a property that's 2 acres or less would be exempt from this requirement. Uh there was some concern by several members of the TC on that and there was even a suggestion by staff that you
maybe uh include a stipulation there an exemption for uh multif family development that is less than 50 acre 50 units rather. Uh there's even a suggestion of making it uh maybe less than 10 units of a development would be exempt from this minimum canopy requirement. So, we have gone back and
forth on this and we are requesting or asking if city council has any specific direction they would like to give us and to maybe go back to city to the environmental commission with on the next ordinance critical root zone. The critical root zone also called
the tree protection zone is a critical preservation of the tree. It's the area on the on the ground around the base of the tree. The general guideline one foot diameter for each inch of dam diameter breast height. The critical root zone should be increased for older trees and
species with moderate to poor construction tolerance. Currently critical root zone is calculated with a twoft diameter equals 3.1 square ft of area. If the area with uh 4T of diameter equals 12.6 ft, the
proposed ordinance would quadruple that in this scenario. So the area at the base of the tree on the ground around the the the trunk that is a critical root zone. That is the area that's supposed to be preserved. So if the developer is proposing to
preserve that particular tree that they'll have to identify the minimum area around that that's going to be preserved uh a environmental commission submitted a request to you with your approval to look at that and the uh proposed
ordinance as written would quadruple that size that area. Before I go on to the next orders, I do want to point out I did include in your agenda packet, um I broke this this agenda item um into
three parts and under the critical root zone ordinance. The ordinance, the draft ordinance begins on page 120. But after the ordinance, I do want to point you to some emails that I received from some um
applicants and developers and arch and uh landscape architects that typically do work in the city. And they provided some feedback on the proposed ordinance, including an email from the city's arborist, Jacob Begley, which begins on
page 129. and the subsequent emails on page 131 and and so on. And there's some some information there for you to consider. I'm not going to go through all of that unless you have any questions. I can say this that after speaking with
Jacob Begley there was um a suggestion he made a suggestion that uh if we do go forward with this ordinance um he believes that they you know he's been able to work with developers with the current regulation and has identified he identified some examples
to me of developments that gone forward where they negotiated and worked with the developer to try and preserve certain trees under the current guidelines. And of course that critical root zone has to make sense for any particular species of tree. So yes, the city's code
has a minimum threshold area, but when a developer suggests that I'm going to preserve I want to preserve this particular tree and we look at the species and look at the size of it and we say well cru for that to survive it's really got to be a little larger than our arborist works developer on that and
sometimes we're successful and sometimes we're not and then the developer may decide well I may have to remove that tree because I have no way of being able to preserve it. If we quadruple that size, the concern is that maybe the developer will consider that area, that
particular tree to not be feasible. There's no way I can preserve it because of the minimum requirement. That might not be true. I'm not uh here to tell you that that's going to be one way or the other. We don't have that experience because currently we do not have an ordinance that says a critical root zone has to be four times larger than what it
currently is. I did include a report from a landscape architect with Kimley Horn who has worked with us in the past on other related ordinances and she provided her analysis the pros and cons of each of these ordinances for your input as well.
Jacob Begley though our city's arborist did suggest that if we again if we go forward with this then maybe we should consider some kind of compromise where we propose this uh new critical root zone for heritage trees and potentially for
spec or the smaller trees maybe down to 36 in DBH or larger and those trees have a a larger critical root zone versus all trees that would be proposed for preservation. on the third ordinance which is the native planting ordinance.
The current standard is that the native vegetation preferred of any new landscaping plan is encouraged to be drought tolerant and that we propose in the proposed ordinance states that a minimum of 50% of that required landscaping trees and vegetation shall be bard native. Not just Florida native
but specifically Bvard native. Uh last year the city council adopted an ordinance with TC's uh recommendation and help uh to come up with a list of bard native vegetation that is encouraged for new development and new landscape plans. That's currently in our
code right now. So we work with developers on that. The new ordinance here will state that half all new landscaping of a landscape plan must be bard native. So they would have to select from that list to make sure that half of their plantings are bard native.
Do want to remind you though that section 163.045 of the Florida statutes right now allows a residential property owner to go ahead and get remove a tree on their property without a permit provided they get a letter from an arborist. Do we want to remind you that chapter 70
Florida statute talks about Burke Harris act and private property bill of rights and 16331.1 3177 which was recently adopted a few years ago uh required us to adopt a property rights element. The reason I'm bringing this up to you is any new
regulation has to be justified. There has to be a reason for it. And this was a I'm sorry um Peggy Busaker my predecessor put this in the previous email or PowerPoint. So that's the end of my presentation. Uh the the native planting landscape
ordinance is on page 106 of your packet. And you'll see on page 106 in the strike through underlying language. underlying language states a minimum of 50% of all vegetation entry shall be species native to Brev. So with that I'll try and answer any questions you have.
Thank you Mr. Parish. Member MCoso. Sure. Thank you. Um so how will the critical root zone affect lots? Let's say that there happens to be a twoacre plot or you know plot of land and then there's a a heritage tree on that. How
is that going to affect is are there any exceptions to infill lots currently for well if currently the way the code is written it doesn't talk about info less it there's a um you have if you find heritage trees on your
property and you want to remove them and you bring down that threshold of number of heritage trees below that 75% threshold then you have to justify that before our development review committee which is an administrative review committee made up of several staff members. They handle review uh appeals
or requests for waiverss from the technical manuals and other code requirements. Uh in 2021, the this tree mitigation ordinance was adopted to include the DRC as part of that review of a removal of a heritage tree. So that's how that work and it it'll apply
to any property regardless if it's two acres or larger. Would it be possible to put any exceptions for u certain sizes of the property and meaning not have to get a waiver? Go ahead and remove them. Well, if we go with the critical root
zone and um I know that when you think of development often we think of like big development. If you think I think of um you know the possibility of Royal Oak or these new subdivisions and I was telling you this earlier this week I went out and um there's a man who he's a
business owner and he built his his building in 1985 and his dream he owns this little plot of land off of um Hopkins and his dream is to um add on to it. And so he was showing me his site plans and uh it's just been delayed for many reasons but to watch the site plan
change because of the regulations was really really eyeopening um to me and I don't think that there are any heritage trees on that property but it made me think what if there was a heritage tree and then we expand the critical root zone. Um I think his option would be
probably remove it and he would pay into the tree mitigation fund. Is that the the option if you potentially? It really depends instead of actually saving it because the lot size is really small. So that was really eye opening to see and that's why I'm just kind of asking for smaller areas. How do we handle the critical
root zone on such a small plot of land? I'd say in that scenario if maybe the tree or maybe it's only one tree on the property that's a heritage tree and he's able to preserve it because it's in the corner of the lot and that's where most of he's not developing that area then might be might be able to preserve it. But if it happens to be in the middle of
the lot and that's where he's putting his building in his parking lot and he he has no other way to get a to build around it, then he may ask for it to be removed. And if it requires a DRC review, then it'll have to be reviewed for that process. Thank you very much, Member Viscoso.
Member Stokl. Yes. Um, I think that's the reason I was conflicted on that because my fear would be if we do, our intent would be to preserve these trees, but then it would be counterproductive if we find that now it's it's bene more beneficial to whoever's developing that piece to cut
them all down. Um, so I am a little bit conflicted on that one. Um, the tree canopy I like for the multif family. Um, and I think we talked about this in our briefing. I do want to make sure though for the info lots and those that are trying to do quad plexes um is there a
way to put in there that if you are doing like five units or less then you would meet the R1B standards so we're not just letting them off the hook completely or would you not recommend that
by the R1B standards because we have standards for R1B. We're trying to add standards now for R3, R2. Now we're R1B is a single family. Correct. So that go ahead. I guess what I'm saying is now that this
pocket of development would be exempt from all canopy if we say for the multif family you have to have a minimum of five or minimum of 10. That's what I'm trying to get at. Is there a way to make sure that we're not exempting certain ones or are you suggesting that we should because those are going to
primarily be infill lots? Yeah, we suggested a an exemption for properties partials that are 2 acres or less initially. That's what we propose um to be exempt from this minimum canopy requirement because that's 25% is a quarter of the property already for canopy. Uh
and but then we also countered with uh maybe uh development that is going to propose 50 units residential units or less regardless of the size of the property would be exempt. Then it was negot we talked about maybe proposal of 10 units or less would be exempt regardless of
size of the property. So there's many ways it could be done. We're just trying to not conflict with your advisabilities about making things easier for those smaller properties, the small small developments rather. Right. And I think that's my at least my intent is to make sure we already have
it for the R1B which I think was what we did prior and now we didn't have anything for multif family and I think we should but then as we get you know those infill lots we don't want to I feel like that's too restrictive but I'd like them to do something. I guess
you had suggested 10 acres or less as an exemption. Okay. Is that what you're suggesting? No. No, that's not what I'm suggesting. I'm thinking no. Um, mostly if they're trying to do a quadplex like these infill lots that are small and we had one come before us. Um,
and we want to make that easier, but I don't want to do a whole blanket where now we're making it easier for oh, instead of this, this is a way around it. So, a quad would be four units in a building. So it could be be stated that a development that is only proposing a
quad or less would be exempt. Okay. Not and it's not based on the parcel size. That could be one suggestion. Would it be okay if they're quad or less to meet the R1 standards? A quad is going to that that's a multif family development. It's going to have to be in an R2 and R3 zoning district. So an R1B would not allow
the tree canopy standards. That's would that be okay to do to to exempt them from the tree canopy requirement? not to exempt them but make them meet the R1 standards. There there isn't a separate R1 standard for tree canopy. So right now
there what that's what our current code it's any single family subdivision and town homes which are only allowed in multif family. Yes. Are required to meet that minimum require the 20 25 20% uh canopy right now. Okay. For their whole development is what you're saying. Okay.
Correct. Okay. then I feel like that's kind of where I would lean toward if it's four units or less exempt them. It's a small I think that would help with our infill. Um and then apply the what you recommended for the increase in the tree canopy for multif family.
And then um I'm not sure about the native plantings, how difficult it is to get Bard native. Um what's the benefit of Bvard native native versus Florida native? That one um I'm just not sure on. Thank you. Member Nelson,
I think I was okay. Um, talked to Brad yesterday and my question was, "Why are we exempting, you know, development on two acres or less?" And he reminded me, we still have our landscape requirements.
You're still going to have trees. Uh, so it's not going to be, you know, my vision was, oh my god, we're going to have a bare piece of property and no landscape, no trees, no anything. Um,
but he assured me that that was not the case. So I felt better about that. The critical Is that what I think that's what you said? It is. Yeah. I just want to clarify that uh the these ordinances are not address are not amending the landscape buffers
or landscape yards. So a multif family development would be required to put in a landscape yard and meet the minimum vegetation that's required in those currently and that would include at least some trees correct I'm sorry the
it would include some trees. Yes. Yeah. There's a minimum planting requirement in those landscape yards, which all of the landscape those landscape yards on the perimeter of the property can count towards a minimum canopy anyway, but I just don't know if a small piece of property uh that's going to have to put in those landscape
yards would meet the minimum 25% canopy that's being proposed. So, I felt better at that point. Uh one thing I I didn't have any problem with the native plannings. Uh
we have a list of what those native plants are. So I'm okay. Um there there was a suggestion um to lower the shrub height from 18 in to 12 in because
apparently there are some plants that come in three gallon pots that are 12 in and they're uh bard natives and apparently they're very popular, very hearty, very useful. Um
and I didn't really have a problem with the tree canopy coverage. Um, the critical root zone was what gave me the problem. And, you know, I I just see I would love to
have a parking lot where I could pull in Publix and I'd have a big old oak tree and I could park underneath it. Um, but given what that critical root zone is, I'm afraid that the developer is just
going to come in and say, "Cut them all down." So, I'm almost thinking we're better off having uh the planners negotiate. So, that's that's my thought.
Thank you, Member Nelson. Member Mscoso. Yeah, I I think part of the critical root zone came up um at least where I I've seen it. If you go on Park Avenue and the new development, Huntington, they started off with two giant trees in the front and then there was a critical
root zone and then equipment got parked on that and which killed the trees which made them no more. So, the idea was really good to save them. So, I understand the point of expanding it. Um but for me, it's the smaller lots that I'm quite concerned about. Um, so
thank you, member RCOSO. Um, in the I believe you were reading from an email from a landscape architect talking about the size of the pots and everything else. And I'll I'll just continue on with um the summary. As a current resident born and raised in Titusville, I would love to see more of our existing
trees preserved and integrated into our city. I believe this is the city's goal and intent as well. I'm concerned that this change to the code will do the opposite and encourage tree removal and that is from the landscape architect. So, while I'm not a landscape architect
and I don't claim to be, I think it's important that we think about unintended consequences to some of these things and a lot of times, you know, once an ordinance is in there, it's very hard to get it out of there. And um so I personally would rather see us take no action on any one of these at this point
in time, but that is my opinion. It's up to council decide what they want to do. They can either take action or no action. Well, if there's no action, then there's nothing. I'm sorry. We're supposed to um
tell Brad whether to advertise the ordinances and go ahead. I do want to say that or not, you can rework it or send it back or whatever you want to do. Mr. There are several members of the TC that uh have expressed an interest in speaking on this particular item. Uh I don't know if you want to open up listen
to their concerns first before making any direction or giving me any direction on this. Thank you, Mr. Parish. City Clerk. Um we have several cards that do not include TEC members, too. So, yeah. Stan Johnston. if if possible, I'd like to have some
extra time with this. Uh I'm Stan Johnson and I'm speaking um as someone who has gone to many TEC meetings and uh I have witnessed uh some u very dissatisfaction
with uh former council members like for example Robert Jordan who criticized the TEC sharply and some other people too which are name I'm not going to mention right now and said the TEC is is not doing its job of
and it's it's it's like working against council and being very disrespectful. I object to that opinion by council and I objected in many ways which is the
same as far as when the TEC asked for council regarding fencing of ponds that were polluted with sewage in Sandp Point Park would not respond would not fence them.
And so I saw children and adults playing in that piss and poop. I saw it. Mr. Johnson, we're talking about trees. Please, please don't interrupt me. We're talking about relationship with TEC who's proposing this and you're disrespecting
them just like you've the council has continued to disrespect to TEC again and again and again. Just like spraying people with piss and poop. It's another disrespect of of of not
only TEC but of me and as far as I'm concerned of God. God would not want you to have it. As far as if if Sodom and Gomorra was a 10, I believe city of Tyville would be an eight. From that very one thing, spraying our people with
piss and poop. All right, Mr. sit down. I'm not going to sit down. Are you going to sit down? Because this is this is what you're doing. We're talking about trees, critical root zones, tree canopies. Nothing what you said had anything to do with that. I'm going to ask for more time that you
had just taken from me. Please sit down. Okay. What the TE You turned my time. You turned it off. No, I didn't. It's still red. They just don't work. You still need to sit down. The critical root zone. Please sit down. When we had Okay, I want my time.
Please sit down. I want to talk about the critical root zone. Please sit down or I'm going to ask you to leave. No, sir. Officer, can you please escort him out? Okay. I wanted to talk about the critical rights zoot zone at Wind Dixie parking lot.
Thank you. City clerk. Next card. Casey N. Can you please keep the comments down? We have people that are at the microphone ready to speak. Okay. I have some handouts, please.
I guess. Okay. Thank you. What casing on Maryland Avenue? Um, this is slide 11, which is page 61 of your package. And I was told that council
would be advised that there is a missing word here current optional reg canopy is on this side and this is the proposed requirements. But this is optional
canopy for multifamily. Current code does not require multifamily developments to preserve any tree canopy. Only residential developments must meet the canopy requirements of the current tree protection
ordinance. As a result, most f multifamily developments are largely clear-cut with developers mitigating removed trees. Any and all trees can be removed on these sites if mitigated.
The city website indicates 19 site plans are under review for multifamily developments at this time which includes a 1,679 apartment quadplex town home and condo units on 130 acres. That's what's under
review at this time and that is under the current tree ordinance that therefore no trees are required to be preserved, no canopy whatsoever. This has real consequences. Multifamily residents do not receive the
same benefits from mature trees as subdivision residents. The preservation of mature canopy tree and multifamily complexes could reduce the temperatures 20°. These multifamily neighborhoods are hotter, dustier, noisier, and ultimately
less livable than the new subdivisions with required canopy of 25% of development area. Titusville ordinance should promote an equal quality of life for all residents regardless of housing type. The proposed ordinance would
require multifamily developments provide the same canopy area as subdivisions 25% of the development area. Multifamily. The draft ordinance states that you are considering that multifamily projects 2 acres or less are
excluded from canopy requirements. In the proposed ordinance to encourage infill and reduce urban sprawl, we compromise in that regard. We had the same concern as you Megan member Mscos. We were concerned about these small lots. So therefore the draft ordinance
says that those that are sites are two acres or less. Thank you, Miss K. Okay. Appreciate it. City clerk, I did spend a lot of time passing this out and correct. I'm sorry I didn't start the clock. Michael Browning.
Michael Browning, 3470, Trevino Circle, Titusville. I'm curious, did any council members get this document? I if I had known there might be a vote tonight, I would have sent that in earlier, so I apologize if it
got to you late. It's a nine-page document. It's maybe not the most fun document to read, but um you know, anybody that understands how to save a
tree, in other words, how not to kill it understands about critical root zone and the operative word is critical. We cannot call a tree protective zone a critical root zone if all we do is
protect the structural roots that hold the tree in place and allow all of the transport roots and all of the feeder roots to be removed. I do not care
um about the dynamic between a developer and a young field arborist. I I think the uh field arists that work for the city are uh well-intentioned,
but there's no proper baseline for them to work with out in the field. So, this is a baseline that uh all of your neighbors across Florida, dozens and dozens and dozens have used this baseline. I'm going to explain what it
is. For every inch and diameter of the tree, the baseline, which is a standard all over the world, not in every community, because every community doesn't adopt standards. We all know why. There's politics. There's all kinds
of reasons why ordinances don't even exist in some towns where they should. But here's the thing. Um 30 years ago, Dr. Kim Coder, University of Georgia, and this has been u supported by uh Koser at University of Florida and Dr.
Ed Gilman, University of Florida. Uh he's now retired, but they know what the baseline is. If you don't want to kill a tree, you need to save more than the structural roots around the tree. Our code here protects only the structural
roots and those developers that are allowed to take the transport and the pro and the uh feeder roots away are going to do it. The first order of business is do no harm. Do not kill the tree. And if you only protect the structural roots, which
is what our what this is what we've codified here. We're only protecting the structural roots, but the rest of the roots are fair game. This idea that um um it's restrictive to developers is the wrong question. That is a secondary
question. The first order of business is to do no harm. Do not kill the tree. Thank you very much, sir. Okay. Ask one quick question. Yeah. member still. Um I I think we all agree that ideally
we would like to save a tree and the the what you're talking about, however far it goes out. My question would be is it better to not keep what we currently have or we implement this and then more trees go
down? Because my thinking is I'd rather at least save the tree and maybe we don't save that full diameter and that we'll still be able to thrive versus we just get rid of the tree altogether. And I that's my fear of what will happen
as a developer. If I'm coming in and I see this and I can't build or it's impeding me, I'm going to have to take it down. Whereas right now they may be able to preserve them. So, I hear what you're saying is I think our intent and what we would want is do no harm, but the reality of the situation if I can't
develop my property because it's too big. I'm not really, you know what I'm saying? Trees and building envelopes may have to come down. We get that. Okay, we get that. Quality growth though requires you to try to our code says try
to save if the the trees are there, try to save 75, excuse me, um 15% of existing trees if you can and we're focused on the larger trees right now. Um
the standards allow you to do less of a critical root zone for small trees, but when you took talk about mature trees, the standards say that the critical root zone or tree protection zone should increase as well. Okay, I'm not going to
get into the science of that, but I do not buy the argument that's being put out by some local landscape architects and developers that this is going to cause more trees to go down. I don't buy that. That's a secondary question. Try to save the valuable trees that the code
requires. Okay? If you can, if it's in the middle of the building envelope, that heritage tree may have to come down. Um, I I get that. I've worked as a landscape architect and an arborist
division that have to come down. The building program, the floor area ratio is allowed by zoning. So, uh, the tree may be in the wrong place. We know trees are going to come down, but if you're actually going to try to save that 15% of existing
trees, um, you have to give that percentage a chance. And when you only save the structural roots, those trees are going to decline. And then what's going to happen? Um, the developers eventually going to go away. The tree is
going to weaken, probably die at some point. It may be several years or more before that happens. And then you've got the problem. The city has the problem. the local residents have the problem of storm debris unnecessarily being produced by a tree whose roots were not
saved. Did he answer your question? So the first question, did I answer your question? The first question is save the tree if you can. The second question about how restrictive uh you are by saving trees. That's a secondary question. You answer that after you try
to, you know, make a good faith effort to save trees. That's Thank you very much, sir. Member Nelson. Um, I think this gentleman back here wanted to yield his time to Mr. Brown, this gentleman back here.
I mean, I think he if that's okay. Is that correct? Mr. Birdad is giving me his time. If it's appropriate, if it's not, I'll sit down or if you have any more questions, I'll be glad to try and answer them. Well, I did have another question.
City clerk, you can go ahead. Um, the current optional requirement for multifamily is 20% uh total canopy. Is that too restrictive? To me, it
isn't. Treat total canopy area is 20%. You're saying the current 20%. Council member, you're saying the current 20%. Correct. For multif family, correct? I don't think we have
It's optional, right? Right. Okay. It's required for a single family. 20%. Yeah. Okay. 25. It's 25% for a single family.
Okay. Did you if you're asking me if I think it's too restrictive. I'm I'm a landscape architect. Yeah, I'm I'm used to I'm used to working with pre-ordinances all over the eastern seabboard. Um, if it says 20%, I try to
get 20% and if I physically can't do it, I'll explain it and probably get an exemption or uh work with the builder or developer or my client, whoever that is, to um, you know, work the building program around a little bit. That's part
of the process in trying to save trees and work with the ordinance that you're given when you run around the country trying to, you know, produce plans and meet you and be compliant with the ordinance. Okay. Thank you. Yes. Thank you for listening to me. I
appreciate it. Thank you very much, sir. City clerk. Lori Lee Thompson. Lorley Thompson, 3550 Irwin Avenue. Um, and so the TEC has spent quite a bit of time working on this and um, I can't speak for the whole TEC, but me, I would
like to see us move forward. Go ahead, let's go for it. Um, I think that the two acres um, exemption so that we can have infill is very reasonable and um, it'll help us out. As far as the native plant, um, you know, there's been a lot
of talk and and over time, you know, saying that native plants are hard to find, that the nurseries don't have them. And that might have been the it's like the law of supply and demand. And when when there is a a demand, then
the businesses step up and they create the supply for the demand. And that's what has happened with Florida's native plants. Um, you know, you there's there's nurseries over in the central part of the state that go on for miles and miles and miles that have all kinds
of native no longer an option is way above my pay grade. I don't I don't know what to these out and because the more time that we waste um you know trying to figure this out the
more trees are coming down and so I would like to see us move forward. Thank you. Thank you Miss Thompson. City clerk may far Good evening. Um I'm Mary Spar and live in Coco and I provided input on the tree
ordinance uh in the prior years and tonight I'd like to comment in one sentence from Mr. body staff report and it concerns a summary of issues council should consider specifically what you should consider
about the multifamily canopy ordinance. This sentence says, "The staff strongly recommends additional exceptions be included in the ordinance." And in my opinion, uh, that means compromise. And I believe TEC is off to a good start
with the, um, the exemption for properties um, multifamily properties that are two acres or less in size. So, I've thought a lot about what kind
of possible additional exemptions might be in order. So, I analyzed some real proposed or approved multifamily projects. And here are my conclusions. One, the majority of multifamily
projects don't prioritize saving trees. They prefer planting after clearcutting. and the applicants are mostly bypassing the chance to benefit from the incentives in the tree ordinance.
With the current optional multifamily canopy area requirements, they pick the easier clear cutting mode, which is why we need multifamily canopy. So do two the projects are generally not
using low impact development or LI three the trees these projects are preserving are mostly in the buffers these are the current multif family plans and projects the buffer language
was an essential comp in the tree ordinance but then I found a small number of multi multif family projects proposed on land that really needs to be redeveloped.
The land was cleared or paved over many years ago. There are very small number of such projects. The land has just been sitting there for many years in a blighted state with very few or no trees remaining.
And any new preserved canopy requirement might be just another reason to bypass trying to develop the property. So, a reduction in the preserved canopy area requirement for
these properties would help promote beneficial redevelopment. Thank you very much, city clerk. Are there any other cards? Yes. The last card is Christina Michelle. Sunflow by Christina Michelle. On July
8th, entered on the record more than a thousand voices strong signed in support of the petition created in response to the murder of Chamari Charles. A young black man chased, shot 10 times in the back with more than 16 bullets fired by
Titusville Police Department in a neighborhood. Are you talking about the native plants? Yes, I am. You're interrupting my protected speech. I would like more time. People are a lot like plants. Hello. Okay, just checking.
People need to be poured into, watered, cared for. People are a lot like trees with roots that run deep, forming a network of connections
necessary for all other systems to work, including breathing. Breathing. The demands listed within the petition signed by more than a thou the community in the aftermath of the
police involved killing of Chamari Charles on February 7th, 2025 here in Titusville, Florida. Please get on topic. updated following the public release of narrated body camera footage meant to fuel racial
tensions in the city and in response to the state attorney's decision to close the investigation on June 10th, 2025. The same day the petition, can you please remove her? Did you read the demands? I still have a minute. You're talking about nature.
Thank you. I would like a community garden. Thank you. He didn't read the list of demands. I still have a minute. How did we pass it? Please leave. So I can't speak. Let's go.
Agenda items. All right. All the cards are called. Yeah. Okay. Sorry, I didn't hear you. All right. Council, what would you like to do? Member Nelson, I'd like to uh advertise ordinances and go ahead and schedule the hearing.
I'll second. All right. So, can I can you clarify the motion? Is that for all three? It is for all three. member Scosa. Yes. I would just like to thank um the TEC um K. I know that you guys have
spent a lot of time, Mr. Browning, Mr. Verdat, all of a lot of time just working on this and I know it can't be easy to sit there and watch us discuss it after you've spent hours and hours and days and days. So, thank you for all the work that you've put in this and all the thought.
So, I have a motion and I have a second. Any further council discussion? All those in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much. Thank you, Brad. City manager. Thank you. Yes, sir. Moving on to item six, boards
and commissions. 6A is boards of adjustments and appeals. And the recommended action is to reappoint two regular members and one alternate member to the board of adjustments and appeals for two-year terms to expire on July 31st, 2027.
The terms of regular members Margaret Van Devin, Richard Wheelis, and alternate member James Troutman expire on July 31st, 2025. All three have expressed their willingness to continue serving for a
two-year term to expire on July 31st, 2027. Additionally, there is one alternate application to be considered. Mr. Nathan Rothell, public at large, has also expressed his willing and desire to serve on this board as a regular member.
Thank you very much, city manager. Are any of those folks here? I see Mr. Tman's here. Is uh Margaret Vanine here? Devon. Margaret Van Devin. No. Uh Richard Wheelis.
None. Nathan Rothell. He's on a plane. How are you all doing this evening? James Troutman, 1705 Barna Avenue. Um, yeah, I'd like to be uh reappointed back to the board of adjustment appeals. Uh,
I've um since being on that board, I've been able to uh make uh the rules change I guess as far as like uh alternate members being able to talk things like that have discussion build experience um I've also had the experience to be
able to sit on the board uh in an absence situation in which we were able to help out chairs uh the children's chairs get their roof and things like that. So definitely a lot of good things coming out of that and yeah, I'd like to
still stay a part of that. Anything else? I appreciate you, man. Thank you for your service. Never go. Sorry. Can I just ask a question? First of all, thank you so much. I was going to ask you how that was going because I know that before you you guys really weren't participating much. So,
I'm glad to hear that you are. I know that there is um going to be some openings on planning and zoning and that was your first choice as you are an alternate there are alternate positions there. So just something to think of because I know that that was the board you had first wanted to be on. Yeah, that was the first board that
but if you're happy at at uh BA at BAA that's I think that's one of those things that we'll have to look at. Uh is that tonight that y'all are looking at the board uh the plan? Okay. Um, so yeah, just so that you're aware, um, if you want to look into if that's something, but if you're happy with BA,
we're very thankful that you're I have to step down from that one to apply. I think so. Correct. You can only serve on one city. No. Yeah, I'm aware of that. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for that. Ma'am, you're not recognized by the chair. Please have a seat.
Please have a seat. Yeah, ma'am. Please have a seat. Please have a seat. I'm trying to run a meeting. Have a seat. Officer, can you please show her out? All right. Thank you. All right. Member Nelson.
Uh, move to reappoint Margaret Van Richard Wheelis to the board of adjustments and appeal. We have one, Mr. One second, Mr. Johnson. I'm just waiting for the motion. And Mr. Trump and move to reappoint him as an alternate.
I'll second. All right. So, have a motion. I have a second. City clerk or any cards. Member Nelson, could I get you to repeat your motion? I was having trouble hearing you. Okay. It would be to appoint Margaret Van Deven and Richard Wheelis
as members of BAA and Mr. Troutman as alternate. The court is Dan Johnston. uniform on I just came back out of from the uh out in I was being removed from city hall
and uh uh please be advised that I just had this young lady initial my comments to be on the previous item that I needed more than three minutes of regarding the
item on the um uh tree uh the tree zone and so forth. So first of all I want to ask for my three minutes back that I had from the last uh agenda item which was item number uh
5B. Mr. Johnson, we were talking about the appointments the board of adjustments. Okay. So you're not going to give me my time on that. We're talking about the boards of adjustments. Okay. All right. So you don't give me my time. All right. So, so now we're on the board of adjustments and appeals which I have been through a number of times and
uh I'm here that I'm to say that is that is that is that when you do this for boards and adjustment is when I go to uh boards and adjustments they follow the rules and order Robert's rules and order and give people the proper time and the
people that are right now who are you're you're considering it I want to praise them for Especially for Mr. Wheelis because he's sacrificing quite a bit. Following the rules, which this council is not doing, they follow the rules.
They're strict. Mr. Wheelis is strict and he's a good man. He needs to be put back put back into uh this uh uh uh recommend I recommended that you do keep him there for the boards and commissions
of of this u uh what do you call it the u uh appeals and and uh what is it you know like variances and uh so forth. So, I would like you to
do that. And uh I want I'm just announcing this is that is that they would have given me my time, not like this council, which I'm going to complain about. You didn't give me my three minutes and I even asked for extra time and I was removed from the council
meeting. I wasn't arrested and I told them if I they removed me from the building, I would also tell my attorney that. So, please please be advised that you will receive a notice from my attorney suing the city for violation of the sunshine law. Thank you.
Thank you, city clerk. Any other cards? All right, I have a motion. I have a second. All those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you very much, city manager. We're moving on to 6B historic preservation board
semianual report and the written report is included in the agenda packet and uh Miss Tony Sheffllo will also do a brief presentation. Thank you. Believing that your board reports are important to be heard not
only read. Sue Williams, who was nominated as the employee of the month, did an excellent, very thorough report in your packet. I'm only going to touch on a few highlights for you just to bring some joy into the
room. The Historic Preservation Board chose to pursue a grant to build on our Joinerville and beyond report by developing a branding and education program. The grant will be utilized to develop an interpretive sign program
creating recognizable and consistent design to highlight historic African-American heritage sites, events, and resources. We will create a walking tour brochure and update the explore Titusville interactive online map
application. Some of these resources or structures might still be in existence while others, most others have been lost through demolition and urban renewal projects. The Historic Preservation Board developed a recognition program
for historic buildings that don't have to go through the process of being designated and all of that that it implies the expense and the restrictions. So um what we did was we created a program recognition without
designation. Over several meetings the um board refined the recognition process, created criteria forms and held roundt discussions to select properties. Each board member nominated two properties
and four were selected. The launch now Moonlight Drive-In 806 Olive Avenue and the 1200 Riverside Drive. Um the selected properties were recognized at our annual meeting in May and was
presented to city council at your last meeting July 8th. A highlight of the annual workshop was a community panel featuring Mr. Sammy Sammy Lincoln, a legacy business owner in our community, and Mr. Kirk Davis, a local historian
who serves on the board, who talked about the legacy of local blackowned businesses and the role of South Street as a commercial and cultural center for Titusville's AfricanAmerican population. Unfortunately, about all that's left now
is Blues and Lyn Golden's Boutique Shop. Workshop attendees were encouraged to contribute their own stories, memories, and reflections about life in the Joinerville area. This input continues
to shape the Joinerville and beyond projects commitment to communitydriven preservation. And the paint wars were not continued with the Historic Preservation Board when we heard an approved KCOA
2205, an application for certificate of appropriateness to authorize a new color scheme in our downtown historic district. Fortunately, they chose a very Florida
Tropic and historically appropriate color scheme and we approved it. So, look forward to that in the old art gallery space and the the is it wild dance? It's the dance studio that's there.
Several of your historic preservation board members have become ambassadors for the city of Titusville. Um, I recently attended the Florida Historic Trust's Preservation on
Main Street conference. And next, you're going to be asked to uh allow Kirk Davis, a member and a local historian to attend the 2025 American Planning Conference in Daytona Beach in September. They're asking for travel for
him so that he can present to the American planning conference a session on our Joinerville and beyond project. So, this Joinerville project is an ongoing um an ongoing process and
project that is trying to involve our community in very meaningful ways and also honoring the legacy and and the past and preserving what we can of that. But we're also looking into other areas of town too. So look forward to our next
semianual report for what we can do further for the preserving the beauty of the city of Titusville. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. City Manager. Moving on to 6C.
There's no action item, Mr. Johnson. City manager. And we have uh approved the travel request for Mr. Kirk Davis to attend the 2025 American Planning Conference on Thursday, September 18th, 2025 in
Daytona Beach to be a speaker regarding the Joinerville and Beyond project. The estimated cost is $79253. And per travel policy 1-1, travel by a board member over $500 must be approved by city council.
Thank you, city manager. City clerk, Stan Johnston. I think it's important. My name is Stan Johnson. I've been member of concerned citizens group for for many, many years. That's a a black group, mainly black group. There's a few white people.
Sometimes I'm I'm ashamed to say I'm white considering what what happens to the black people here. That's why I tell my wife, you know, I'm all all kinds all kinds of of u persecution and harassment I have. And I say, "Thank God I'm not
black because they get it." And and what uh so Mr. Davis is black and I and I and and we just had the historic board is that our history here is KKK. KKK is our history big time. Big time.
Valuchia County and here. And we still get we still get these things on the on thrown on the sidewalk and so forth about join the KKK. the the the it it it continues. Horrible
things that I've seen happen here in Titusville. Police brutality of because people are what? Because of the color of their skin. So, uh I I look forward to you approving Mr. Davis who was a black man and I'm ashamed to say sometimes
that I'm white. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City clerk, are there any other cards? City council member Nelson. Um, first I want to say I think it's an honor for Mr. Davis for us
to have Mr. Davis present. I think speaks very highly of the historic board. So I would move to approve the travel request for Mr. Davis to attend the 2025 American Planning Conference
September 18th. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further council discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. City manager.
Next item is 6D, planning and zoning commission member resignation. And we uh asking council to accept the resignation of planning and zoning commission alternate member John Rogers with an unexpired term that will expire
on January 31st, 2026. The resignation was effective on July 8th, 2025 and Mr. Rogers is moving out of the city. Uh just point of information, I think the agenda said a different name. I
think it said Michael Fender, didn't it? All right. Thank you very much, city council. Oh, sorry. Cards. Yes. Stan Johnston. I have a card for 6. You spoke on 6C. How about
6D? Oh, we're talking about Kirk Davis now. No. Oh, we're talking about planning and zoning, correct? Okay. I didn't do 6C. Uh Okay. All right. Now we're 6D. Good. Uh I'm Stan Johnston and u uh I'm just just sharing
with you is I certainly have no objections to Mr. Mr. Rogers leaving, but I want to say is they're under a lot of of pressure the planning and zoning. I mean, I talk about sometimes my p persecution, but they've got horrible things happenings with SNJ Oaks, which
I've sent council many times. And in fact, is I I have for since June the 25th, I have called this council. I've called your telephone number with the city with through uh Christine
Matthews for all these council members to return my call every day since June the 25th. No one has returned my calling June the 25th. So you're not doing your work and when you tell public that you you're responding to emails and so
forth. Since June the 25th, I have every day I've contacted your number and you haven't returned my call. You don't respond to my emails. I've sent you over 15 emails since then and you haven't respond to any of them. Can you please talk about the planning
and zoning? So, I'm just saying PNZ has a hard time there. I'm not the only one to suffer from this. So, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for understanding. City clerk, any other cards? All right. Member Nelson. I move to accept the resignation of PNZ
member John Rogers uh with regrets. He served for a number of years. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion from council? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. City manager.
The last item is E. Planning and Zoning Commission. And this is to acknowledge the receipt of a memo from the chairperson of the Planning and Zoning Commission announcing the removal of Michael Fedler as an alternate member with an unexpired term that will expire
on January 31st, 2027. Thank you very much, city clerk. Stan Johnston. My name is Stan Johnston. You know that for many times I have uh put in my application for PNZ and for TEC for many
years since 200 I think 2012 and I've never been accepted. So uh uh if someone is uh leaving, I have uh sympathy for them because the mistreatment that this
council gives to PNZ, to TEC, and to other groups because you're just not doing your job. And if you would read your emails, you would understand is that it's horrible. Fact is I for your misconduct, I've even contacted the FBI. I'm fed up with you. So it's it's gone
it's gone beyond it's it's gone beyond Governor DeSantis. It's gone beyond Will Shiner. It's gone to the FBI. If you would read your emails, you would know that and you don't respond. So I'm telling you, I'm sending all the information
what you guys are doing to the FBI. And what do you do? You don't do nothing. You ignore it completely. I have no sympathy for you. Thank you. Bye. Thank you, member Nelson. I move to acknowledge the
receipt of the memo um from PNZ and the removal of Mike Fendler as an alternate member. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion from councel? All those in favor say I.
All opposed. Motion cares unanimously. Thank you very much. And and I believe we are now on to petitions and requests from the public present non-aggenda items. For the record, my name is Dwight
Severs. This is my wife Lori and we are longtime residents of Titusville. On July 7th, I visited the city attorney's office after dropping something off to city hall for the council members. In 1999, the city council and the city
manager asked me to consider becoming the full-time in-house council for the city, which I agreed to do. There was no furnishing for for the office. So I brought some furnishings with me, including a law library, various solid
wooden desks and furnishings, including certain artwork. For the years, I attended the annual Titusville Art League at Miracle City Mall and purchased art. Two of the pieces of art which I was most proud of were a
painting of the historic Titusville fishing pier and a pencil drawing of the historic Windover Dig. When I retired in 2013, I left substantially all my furnishings and gave a bill of sale to the city with frankly they were worth
thousands of dollars. As such, because you are in the process of hiring a new city attorney, you may want to consider changing or upgrading some of the furnishings. What am I about to say concerns me greatly, and some others may
think it's trivial, but it's not to me. When I visited the office, I immediately noticed the Windover Dig artwork was missing. I was told, Mr. mayor that you recommended or preferred that it be given to the historical society. That's
what I was told. On July 16th, I went to the North Boulevard historical museum and did not see it on display. So, I inquired and was told it was in the back room and I was shown the drawing and it was indeed the one I had donated to the
city in 2013. I took a picture of the receipt signed by the donor. I've given those to you a copy and and the individual put on the receipt my written contact
information. You'll see that you will see that the donor signed on behalf of the city on July 5th, 2025. I have given you a copy of the former employee signature who I believe signed
it and who had retired July the 4th. Since this is a city property matter, Mr. Mayor, did you authorize or recommend it be given to the museum? I have a copy of the city of Titusville disposition of personal property forms
right here in front of me. I do not believe the proper procedure was followed. In addition, council, this matter I'm bringing it to your attention because it involves the mayor and the council's former employee.
Thank you, Mr. Severs. And to answer your question, I did not give anybody permission to do anything. Uh there was discussion in the law office that they were looking at refernishing and I looked at it and I said that looks historical. It might make sense. You know, we donated the historical museum,
but I did not tell anybody to do anything. So, but I appreciate your your comments and I don't know what council wants to do. Maybe we can have city manager look into the the matter and figure out what we need to do. Member Nelson. Well, my question is, Dwight,
are you looking for it to be returned to you? I would have frankly appreciated the courtesy of a phone call. Yeah. If you're going to give it away, and I did not give it to the city attorney's
office. I gave it to the city of Titusville for historical reason and preservation. Correct. No, I I preser I thought I deserved at least a phone call before the individual gave it away.
Amen. I don't think it's right. Amen. I would I would agree with you. And I can't do anything about it. You can do something about it if you want to because it's city property that was given away.
So my I guess my question is I'm sure the historical museum has loads of stuff and if if Mr. Abate asks for it back, we'll get it back. But the question is, do we keep it or would you
want to return to you? I would love I I would love to sit down with somebody with the city and talk about that. Okay. Okay. Okay. Just simple common sense courtesy. And in addition, frankly, I would think
about if I'm giving it away, if if I was giving away, I might think about the Boulevard Museum where they had the Windover Dig display. Yeah. Which is quite an appropriate place. Or frankly, I might keep it myself if I
know my city is giving this stuff away. I I can't believe it. I would May I add something to that? The individual who signed the form had told Dwight
that they did not like the painting or the drawing at all. And so I think this is how that whole thing came about personally. Thank you very much. Member Nelson, are you still
I was going to suggest maybe Mr. Abate might want to sit down with Mr. Severs and discuss it, maybe see about getting it back. Certainly, if that's council's direction, I'd be happy to work with Mr.
Severs and retrieve the uh the article and then determine the final disposition based on his uh desires. Be my honor. Thank you, member Moses. Yes. Thank you. I was going to recommend the same. And then uh on behalf of the
council, I I want to apologize. I'm not sure many of us knew, but thank you for that donation and I'm very sorry it happened this way and we'll do what we can to rectify it. Thank you. And just so you know, me saying that looks old, that looks like it belongs in a museum like Indiana Jones does not
constitute me giving a directive. All right. Yeah. And I did not know who it belonged to. Thank you very much. Mr. Johnson. Uh, my name is Stan Johnston and I'm very
concerned about what's going on with my life. I've been here for over 50 years. In fact, I came here first in 1952 and I met visited the uh the Florida many times on vacation. So, I've been here since 1970. And I don't get any respect.
I don't expect to you don't have to respect me. What I would like you to do is don't take the piss and poop that I put in my toilet and spray it on my friends at Sandpoint Park and Space View Park and on on vehicles in uh uh US1 and Max Brewer Causeway. Don't do it. I
don't do it. Fact fact is I think it's it's this is this is horrible. This is horrible that that you approved it. Four out of five council members and I've asked Miss Megan here repeatedly. I said talk to city manager even before before Tom was here. What's going on? How can
you possibly How can possibly other council members say it's okay to spray people with piss and poop? She doesn't give me an answer. She won't do it. I think she's ashamed. I think she can't do it. She's afraid. She's scared. Megan Moscoso is scared to talk to the city
manager about this issue issue. I'm ashamed of her. And I'm ashamed of Kevin Cook. He's afraid, too. He doesn't want to tell you what he's what he knows is the truth. The truth is that you guys are scum. You're scum. When you take my po piss and poop from my toilet and
spray it on people, that's scum. We got four out of five council members are nothing but scum. Let me put together the truth. And so, so Lord, I'm just I'm just going in prayer. Lord, I just pray I pray that your will be done in this situation. In
this case, four out of five council members are disobeying your law. and that is harming people by piss and poop sprayed on them beginning December 2020. And Mr. Cook, he won't even give his opinion. And Mr. Mr. Abati won't even
ask him, it sounds like, because he's afraid because what it's done is the city is scum. City of Titusville, Lord, the city of Titusville is the only city in the world. Only city in the world that delivery sprays people with piss and poop, women, children, babies. My
piss and poop. I don't want it in there. I don't want my piss and poop sprayed on people anymore. I want you guys to to repent your sins. Tell us the truth. The truth is that you guys are are It's simple logic. It's it's common common
sense. Don't spray people with piss and poop. You're the only only few people in the world that believe it's okay to do it. Only few people in the world. This excuse about saying D says it's okay to do it. They're not saying it. They don't know. They didn't know you were spraying
people with piss and poop. And it's not good. Lord, please help us. Please help us. We just I don't know what we want justice. We want truth and justice and you can do it. Lord, we've had it here. Thank you, sir.
More time. No. Okay. Thank you. Amen. Petitions or any questions from the public? Non-aggenda items. Um, also you've had trouble with your mic. I don't know if you know that. We are aware. All right. Well, Dr. Kathleen Rook, I
think you all know me. Um, I'm just addressing what's going on a little bit tonight. There's a lot of tension here. Um, you know, I was previously a department chair and I had a lot of students and different people and you have to take in people's opinions. And I think right now that some members of the
council and particularly the mayor are trying to respond by controlling this a little bit more and and I know where that comes from a bit. But the problem is the residents ultimately are really frustrated here. That's going on. And when people say things like there's a
circus and everybody's misbehaving here, you're missing the whole point. People are really really frustrated and you're frustrated. some I'm I'm not saying that you're not, but rather than like trying to control the situation the way you
are, let's get towards a different solution. I would suggest trying to create an open meeting where the citizens and the council can meet to talk about critical areas and come up with proposed solutions that maybe they can collectively work on. Um the
shooting at Trimera Charles has definitely created a crisis in this city and we can't just ignore that fact because that is really true and I know people have great concern about police chief Lao and by the actions of some of the or at least the way that that whole
thing was managed. I'll just say that. Um so something has to be done to improve it. You're the leaders. I mean that's what your role is. So show leadership now when it's needed and work out to get a practical approach to improve communication with all members
of our community because the way it's going right now isn't really working. So you need to look at some other way to do this. Okay. Thank you very much. Petitions and requests non-aggenda items. Sorry,
they usually come with like some interesting like historical stuff. So, Melinda, uh, historical Indian River is in historic Indian River City neighborhood. And I want to thank you. As I outlined last time I was here, the city made numerous mistakes in the
determination of my original problem. And mistakes to our historic neighborhood have continued to happen, including what brought me here recently. you adding private property abandoned 80 years ago to your city street map as an unclassified street and having city-owned alleys labeled as private property. Yes, despite the despite the
fact that you told me for almost a year that 48 foot freight trucks from a business can back up down a dead-end alley and use the street in front of three houses in the residential zone as their loading unloading zone. One of those houses being over 100 years old by the way. Uh when there was a 2017 code
against it the entire time. I thank you. And even though now I have to live with an unpermitted curb cut to the alley from a business that should never have been there according to your news table and is an M1 industrial use according to your chamber of commerce. A curb cut that now makes the alley only about 12 ft across and was not there when we
bought our property. I thank you. Because of you making me so mad. I have fallen in love with the history of our town. My hobby is now reading 100-year-old Titusville newspapers for fun. I volunteer my time at a local historical organization. I want to sit
on your historical board when my kid is older. Although Tony told me that um somebody's going to probably have to die off first before I I get the opportunity to do that. I have loved learning more about our history, especially the concentration in IRC, the Titusville Fruit and Farland Company, EW Ellis, and
the Addison Ellis Canal. I want to come to meetings and tell stories to inter people in our history, but I can't do that until you protect one of your oldest neighborhoods like you promised to do in 2012. I will gladly give a historic tour of IRC to any city employee or board member who would like. And I couldn't offer that tour without
you violating your codes comprehensive plan, zoning, use table, neighborhood plan, and allowing an unpermitted curve cut to stay because it was only a little bit. So once again, thank you because I love learning about our town history. It really is fascinating. So, this is my
ask today. I ask that one of you please direct the city to put in writing that they are allowing the unpermitted curb cut that cut into the po paved portion of the alleys to stay because there is an 11-year-old open code violation of a curb cut to the alley from Birch to Acorn that has become a permanent
easement. And I don't want that to happen to my alley, too. According to your LDRs, alley shall be 20 ft across. I previously provided you with historical aerial photos that show the alleys south of Knox Prey have not been 20 feet across since at least 1965 and
that is mostly from uh curb cuts, driveway cuts to the residential zone, including my property. Also, any alley easements to commercial properties in the residential zone is a violation of the neighborhood plan which means a violation of your comprehensive plan. But once again, I thank you and I have
just a couple seconds. Congratulations, Mr. Abate. Thank you, Mr. Bate and Megan are the only two people who have ever met me down at my property to see how absolutely weird my problem is. Thank you. Thank you, Member Nelson.
Nelson. Well, I was going to say if Tom would take me down to your property and let you explain it because when we're up here, it's just very I know. That's why I'm And you guys saw it is a
weird weird situation that I have and and so I am certainly grateful. I hope to meet with Brad and maybe Kevin and you again soon to solution this. Okay. I' I'd love to go down. I I'm
familiar with the area, but I don't I'm You know, you got three minutes, so it's very hard to understand everything. If you would like to come down, I would love to I'm pretty sure I sent you an email to schedule that.
I didn't maybe it didn't come through on my end. I will look into my spam stuff. I absolutely love to you know that spam happens. Yeah, petitions and requests non-aggenda items. Hi, Mary Harvey, Titusville, Florida.
Um, Mayor Connors and council members, I want to begin by acknowledging my last appearance. I apologize for my outbreak, but what started as a heartful, carefully prepared statement was reduced to a misleading video clip taken out of
context and circulated online. That clip sparked hateful and threatening responses. I was body shamed, age shamed, and even falsely accused of being racist. For four days, I feared for my safety,
for my children, and my grandchildren. I finally stepped away from the certain social media pages for my peace. Much of this stem from a so-called news page spreading fake narratives and
misinformation. I'll be honest, I almost didn't come back. But I care too much about this city to stay silent. I'm a proud Titusville resident and staying engaged, especially in difficult moments, is a part of this what
strengthens our community. I'm not here to dwell on the past. I'm here to ask this council to help protect the integrity of public comment and ensure every citizen feels safe and respected when they speak. That includes reviewing how the city
records, records, and shares meetings. Right now, the official video and audio only focus on the speaker, not the gallery. During my last remarks, I was heckled from the back corner, but none of this was captured. Without that context, the
video and audio become misleading. And when individuals in the gallery film selectively and share clips maliciously, it further distorts the truth. I understand recording is allowed, but there's an extenduating circumstances. I
hope the council will consider the real impact this has on public trust and participation. Thank you for your time. If I have not used my full three minutes, I happily yield by remaining back to the council. Thank you very much.
Additions and requests non-aggenda items testing. Okay. Hello, my name is Pam Avery and I do live in this community. Um, I just want to thank the council members who stood up for the bigger picture even when it's
been uncomfortable. That does take courage and I do see it. And while I'm grateful for the progress, I also believe there's still work to do. Our city needs strong, steady leadership. Leadership that listens, leads by example, and stays focused on what's
best for the whole community. And tonight, I also want to congratulate our new city manager, Tom Abate. I believe he is up for the challenge and committed to improving transparency and helping the public stay informed. Let's give him that chance. As you know, over the past
few months, I've seen concern concerning relationships between elected officials and individuals who've created division and chaos in our community. Speaking up about that isn't easy, but I can't unsee what I've seen. I
respect that people have different beliefs. Disagreeing is fine, but no one should be bullied or attacked for asking questions or telling the truth. So, so many have asked me and Mary, "What can we do?" We've had a lot of outreach.
Here's what I tell them. Support each other. Build positivity. Stay informed. Learn how local government works. Do your research. Know who you're voting for. and know where your information is coming from. It matters.
We're one community and I don't understand how we've gotten to a place where people are so angry and hateful towards others they don't even know. That's not who we are. I believe real change doesn't come from
conflict. It comes from respect. From loving our neighbors and choosing to build something better together. I believe we can be better and do better together or at the very least respectfully. We don't have to agree on everything,
but peace and progress are sure I'm sorry. We don't have to agree on everything, but peace and progress sure sound better than the alternative. Thank you. Thank you. Please be respectful while somebody has the floor.
You can start my time over. Reference has been made by a few of our council meetings turning into a circus and there being public dysfunction. I'm a resident and I will tell you
exactly where I feel this dysfunction has happened. It's in grown men in powerful positions claiming that they have been attacked after they've heard the words that they didn't like. It's a 7.3 million gallon sewage spill
that still there's really no accountability for. It's knowing who installed a critical pipe and remaining silent for years. It's the cynical act of apparent clowns deploying signs in the middle of the night to manipulate elections and
unjustly implicate innocent citizens. Under that circus tent is also violations of civil rights, mine and other people in this very city. It is the lack of accountability when
high ranking officials quietly resign after events that cause turmoil in our city only to go on and just resume their careers somewhere else. It's $50,000 spent on a city manager search only to appoint an individual who
does select who does cast a shadow of doubt and raises some questions about transparency. No matter how wonderful you are, it does. You've been here a long time. Let's not forget the million-dollar bridge that choked off a waterway and
mocks the veterans that sleep in the park just feet away. Or the minor child that was paralyzed swimming in the water because this council didn't bother to put up signs after they were asked. I think of James Lowry. I think of Trimeia Charles.
The troubling problem with public records, 17,700 emails that have been subpoenaed, public records subpoenaed that still haven't been produced. I refer to editing body camera footage.
That ain't cool. These dysfunctions are profound. And sure, it's a circus, but the people didn't do that. I am so disturbed by the sweeping social
media statements that were made by you, Miss Stokel, and Mr. Cole this past week, blaming the public for the problems. I didn't make up that sewage spill. I didn't make up the child getting paralyzed. I didn't make up the missing records. Nobody here made any of those
things up. and all of these things. People come to you and they say this happened and you sit there silently still. The circus is all yours. Thank you very much.
See none. Okay, moving on. City manager. Next is a consent agenda items. We have six items. Do any members of council wish to pull any items for further discussion? I'm not seeing any light, city manager. I'll go ahead and I'll read them for the
record. Item 8A, water allocation permit for Forest Glenn. Authorize the issuance of a water supply capacity allocation permit in the amount of 16,300 gallons per day, which is 2.4% 4% of the excess
capacity for the Forest Glenn development. Item B, amendment four to the state revolving fund loan agreement for WW050340 for the Indian River Forest main project. And that is to approve the amendment four to the loan agreement
between the city of Titusville and the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and authorize the city manager to execute the agreement. Item C, county school resource SRO memo of understanding for school year 2025-26.
And that is to approve the memo of understanding for the school year as written to provide a first line of defense at nine school campuses and approve the associated budget amendment. Item D, the online sting grant funding for Titusville Police Department's
Investigation Division and approve the fully funded purchase of an additional equipment for the Titusville Police Department's Investigation Division. Item E, installation of a covered walkway at fire station 14. approved the issuance of a purchase order utilizing
Omnia Partners Cooperative Contract R210501 with Hunter Neps Company for installation of a covered walkway at fire station 14 in the amount of 51,72. And item F, use of forfeerture funds for
the Titusville Police Department for equipment and national night out activities. approved the requested use of the funds to purchase equipment to patrol areas not accessible by police vehicles and utilize funds to develop law enforcement and community relations.
Thank you, city manager. City clerk, we have one individual, Stan Johnston. Stan Stan, you're up for the consent agenda. John, nobody mentioned what I'm I'm here for.
It's the uh uh items on consent agenda. I'm asking for extra time. Uh I have um um 8B, 8 D, 8 E, and F8F. So I'll begin first talking about something that you haven't done. You
haven't read your emails. Your emails. You haven't read them. And uh what's going on is I'll first of all I'll talk to you about 8 D and 8F that
both have to do with police John Laauo and the police department. So I've sent you a number of emails about the city of Tyusville Police Department, what they have been doing. And some people just left who complained about uh uh they complained about let's
see I wrote it down here. Uh I don't see where they Yes, I did. They complained about people should not be bullied and people should be repeated should be respected. Uh I'm I'm a person
who is bullied and I'm disrespected. I'm bullied and disrespected where? at work, at home, and at church. And if you would read it, you would understand what's happening to me and my family.
So, what I've done is as far as the police department, I've been assaulted. I've been uh falsely arrested. I've been jailed. Not told what I was arrested for. In fact, is the assaults were right here in this room from behind me without
warning. shook me and took me outside. They didn't do it this time. They, you know, just took me outside. So, so the thing is is I'm I'm talking about I'm I'm a victim of what you guys are doing. I'm not getting protection. So, I have
contacted the FBI obviously because the sheriff I' I've contacted the sheriff and had a number of things uh recordings done because of what the Titusville Police Department has done to me and my family. my ex
pastor Steve Ukes what he's told me he said that the that the chief of police and the city attorney have come to elders of Park Avenue Baptist Church and told all kinds of horrible things about me going back to 1985.
what in the world as a chief of police and the uh um city manager have to do with going to my church behind my back? So, I asked Steve UK, pastor, and said, "What did they say?" Well, I found out some of the things he
said, but he wouldn't tell me. That's when my meeting with Mr. UK stopped. He's not going to tell anymore. But I've heard of them the horrible some of the horrible stories that have been rumored about me. So I don't want you I'm against these things because the police department is not doing their their
right. Thank you. Thank you. City clerk, any other cards? All right, member Nelson. Move to approve consent agenda items A through F. Second. I have a motion and I have a sec. I mean
without Herman here it's a little weird, right? Yeah. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further council discussion? All those in favor say I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. Uh council, would you like uh take a quick
break? All right, we're going to take a five minute break and then we'll reconvene. Jesus says, You know what? test. Test one, two. What are they? consistent with Florida building code
requirements by amending section 6-56 construction permit required inspection approval prior to use or occupancy and 34-346 non-conforming structures rebuild build
and repair, providing for severability, repeal of conflicting ordinances, incorporation into the code, and an effective date. Thank you, city attorney. Mr. Parish, page uh 293 shows the strike through
underline description of the code and what's being proposed. And basically, this is just adhering to your request to uh find ways to make the code easier for development. And in this instance, we found a way to allow for fence permits
to be uh rebuilt if they were relegally permitted prior to be rebuilt in the same location, size, and material without a permit. I'll try to answer any questions. Thank you very much. City clerk, are there any cards?
There's one card. Stan Johnston. Uh, my name is Stan Johnston and if you have been reading my emails, you would understand why I'm concerned about fences in the city of Titusville, but you haven't read them. I would like the red-haired girl to listen to what's
going on instead of talking. Thank you. Uh, and and what's going on is is something serious that I have that I have sent to you many times and it's it's been approved by the chief of police. It has been approved by the
fire chief and Kevin Cook. What am I talking about? Fences. Fences that I've asked you to go to. I've got I've have asked you to go to this site, the city of Titusville to go to this site since 2021. Actually, 2020. that's been years and
you haven't visited it. If you would visit the site, you would see what's happened is is that what the city what the city has approved is the construction of a fence as a immed 20 foot concrete apron which my wife and
I approved at as former property owners which the city of Titusville says that the people didn't have legal right to access to their properties in 20 said that and in spite of what I said is hey as former property owner I said they can
do it to the city and the city agreed upon it. So anyhow this 20ft concrete apron they've now put a 10-foot access one-way access to these to homes on Mockingbird Lane but it excludes the last house. if you
would read it. In other words, and the fence is right in the middle of the road. So, in other words, if you would do it, if you would be concerned enough, including Mrs. Muscoso. If you'd go out and look at at at
SNJ Oaks, which has had about 180 trees, and now there's either one or two left. And if you look at that site and you would look look at the fence there, you would see it has a double gate that's not shown on the survey. That's access to Mockingbird Lane. You would see also
if you looked at the plans that the last house has absolutely no access to Mockingbird Lane. And you would also see the fence. The fence there is right in the middle of the road. It's a crash hazard. It's going to happen. Approved by chief of police, fire department. I like more
time. Fire department, and even Kevin Cook. I cannot believe it. It's a good reason to contact the FBI. I think this absolute police corruption, fire police corrie, the city of Titusville corruption. That's what it is. And you guys won't
even look at it. How long has it been out there? I don't know about a year maybe. That fence is there. And do you look at it? No, you don't look at it because you avoid. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. No, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City clerk, are there any other cards?
All right, member Nelson. Move to approve ordinance number 25-2025 fence permit. I'll second. Sorry, you just weren't quick enough. All right, I have a
motion. I have a second. Any further council discussion? City clerk? Yes, sir. Um, Moscoso, yes. Member Nelson, yes. Mayor Connors, yes. Member Stokel, yes. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you
very much. City manager. Moving on to 9B is a small scale amendment application number 2-2055320 South Washington Avenue. And this is to conduct the public hearing and final reading of the three ordinances for the smallcale amendment application number
2-2025. And uh city attorney will read the ordinances and first go over the rules of the hearing. Yes. One of these three um is quasi judicial. Um during the public hearing
portion of this meeting, anyone wishing to speak on a quasi judicial item must first sign a public hearing agenda card and sign the oath contained thereon swearing to tell the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth. These cards are located on the table at the
entrance of chambers and should be provided to the clerk. Those speaking in favor of a request will be heard first. If you have photographs, sketches, or documents that you desire for the city council to consider, they must be submitted into evidence and will be retained by the city. Please submit
submit such exhibits to the city clerk. Uh city clerk, have you received signed oath cards from persons wishing to speak before the city council swearing to tell the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth? Okay. Uh staff and applicant, please ensure all witnesses that intend to speak have signed an oath
card and present it to the clerk. If there is anyone present who has not signed an oath card that wishes to speak on a quasi judicial item, please submit the card to the clerk at this time. Uh, city clerk, have all agenda items been properly advertised?
Okay. Um, for exparte communications, in the event that a council member has received an exparte communication, verbal or written, outside of this hearing, the council member shall disclose the identity of the person, group, or entity with whom the communication took place and the subject
of the communication, including all opinions or facts discussed. Any written communication must be disclosed and made part of the record. Also, in the event that a member has conducted investigation or site visit or received any expert opinions regarding the quasi
judicial item, said visit or opinion shall be disclosed. If a written exparte communication exists, verify that applicant has received them and has had the opportunity to review them and is ready to proceed. Uh regard regarding the order of the presentation, first
council will receive staff's presentation followed by presentation of the applicant. Following the applicant's presentation, the floor will be open for public comment. The applicant may make a rebuttal. Witnesses may be cross-examined by the applicant, a party, council, and staff representative
as authorized by the council. The council's decision must be based upon competent substantial evidence. Uh in this case, we have three ordinances. The first two are legislative. Uh only the third one is quasi judicial but the presentation and evidence will all be
done as one public hearing. Um so I will read the three ordinances. The ordinances will at the end of the public hearing the ordinances will be voted on separately. Um, ordinance 22-2025, an ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending section 7, chapter
63-20001, Laws of Florida, Special Acts of 1963, by annexing certain property located at 5320 South Washington Avenue, having parcel ID number 22-35-26-00-511
to be included within the city limits, providing for severability, providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing for an effective date. Ordinance number 23-2025, an ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending the code of ordinances
by amending ordinance number 60-1988, which adopted the comprehensive plan of the city of Titusville by amending the future land use map by changing the land use designation on approximately 4.52 plus or minus acres of property located
at 5320 South Washington Avenue having Bard County parcel ID ID number 22-35-26-00-511 from the community commercial Bard County future land use designation to the commercial highintensity city of Titusville future land use designation
providing for severability providing for repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing for an effective date and ordinance number 24-2025 an ordinance of the city of Titusville amending ordinance number 5-1
1993 of the city of Titusville by amending the zoning map made a part of said ordinance by reference by changing the BU1 general retail commercial Bard County zoning district to the community commercial CC zoning district on
approximately 4.52 plus or minus acres of property located at 5320 South Washington Avenue having Bard County parcel ID number 22-35-26 6-00-511 providing for severability, providing
for repeal of conflicting ordinances, and providing for an effective date. Thank you very much. That was a lot, Mr. Parish. I'm just going to point you to a few exhibits that are attached to the agenda. On page 340 of your packet,
you'll see an aerial and where this property is located on the west side between the FPC railroad and US1 south part of the city. It's surrounded by it's uninorporated but it's surrounded by the city. The next page on 341, you'll see the existing
land use map and on the right side of that page you'll see the proposed land use map. So currently it has a Bard County comprehensive plan land use designation. and it'll be replaced with a city of Titusville land use designation of commercial high intensity.
On page 338 of your packet, you will see a concept plan that the applicant has submitted. They have requested this concept plan be included a part of the resoning ordinance and that this is approved with that concept plan. This will be binding on the property. So any
deviations or major deviations rather from this concept plan will have to come back to you through the public hearing process. Again, we're recommending that they that this not be included. On page 314 of your packet, I'll just go through the city's findings and
recommendations and it's the last page of the staff's report. The annexation is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan and chapter 171 of the Florida statutes. It will remove an enclave. The comprehensive plan feature land use designation
small-cale map amendment is consistent with the city's comprehensive plan. The proposed resoning to the community commercial zoning district underneath that land use category with the concept plan is consistent with the proposed commercial highintensity future land use category and the city's comprehensive
plan. Also though without the the concept plan, the same community commercial zoning district is also um consistent with the land use. We recommend approval of the annexation to remove the enclave. We also recommend
approval of the comprehensive plan land use small scale map amendment from the Bvard land use category to the city of Titusville commercial highintensity land use category for this property. And we also recommend approval of the resoning without the concept plan from the Bvard
County BU1 general retail commercial zoning to the city's community commercial zoning. With that, I'll try to answer any questions. Thank you, Mr. Parish. Member Stokel. Yes. Um, I heard you say the applicant did submit a concept plan, but you're
recommending staff's recommending not. And then is that the reason why it was listed in our agenda the reasonzoning is without a concept plan? Is that because you guys didn't want it in there? We are recommending against it that that okay the reasoning be approved without it. The reason is because uh it's not
the highest and best use of the property because the concept plan is just for a parking lot. Community commercial zoning district can allow a lot of other types of uses. So the property owner or subsequent owners could utilize the property for something else. If you bind it with a parking lot, they'll have to come back to you to remove it again.
Okay. And then um we talked briefly about this in our briefing. Is there anything that we could do to um try to get them to utilize LI standards when developing because of the concerns of
going from grass right now to asphalt if they have constraints um on the or environmental design issues the that's what the LI ordinance is for is to help them with that so they could utilize that they want to put utilize the entire parcel for a parking lot with the storm
water system, they might want to utilize our LI ordinance. It's currently not an area of critical concern and I don't know specifically what environmental constraints are on this property. Okay. Um but I I'm not sure we can
we wouldn't mandate it, but maybe let them know that it's an option. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, member Stokel. Council. All right, city clerk. Um, the first card is the applicant.
Good evening. I'm Michael Watiniac with Engineer Permits, Inc. I am uh the engineer record and the applicant for this project. I'm just trying to assist the operating as the parks group who's currently has the Southern dealership
just make a true parking area. um at this particular point. We appreciate you taking out the concept plan, but that is what we're going to initially go in with because right now if you drive by it, it's just not the ideal situation for all the inventory they have. So, and I'm
here if you have any questions, but it just it makes more sense to be consistent with everything within Titusville. Thank you very much. Member Stok. Yes, that was my question is why do you want to annex N? Uh so right now the southern portion where they've been
operating that dealership for you know 30 plus years is city of Titusville and to be consistent and make it one parcel you can't utilize where this the north side is Bvard County the south side is obviously Titusville so it's cleaner just to bring it all into within the city.
Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Any other questions? I'm not seeing any. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. City clerk. The last call to stay in Johnston. My name is Stan Johnson. I'm a registered engineer, registered land
surveyor. My my surveying license and it's inactive. I would like you to listen to what I have to say. There's something missing on this review. It says that Christy uh Anderson reviewed made the review of this. There's something missing.
Perhaps Mr. Parish could tell you what's missing. What did the what did staff intentionally miss on this review? Anybody want to guess? Utilities, moratoriums.
Hello. Hello, Mr. Parish. In other words, if there's a subsequent owner of this and it's been annexed to the city, I think that if there is going to be a moratorum, if there is a problem with sewer access to this this property, you should let it know right now, not
for the subsequent owner. There's a bunch of properties right now, as far as I know, they cannot be built on because they don't have access to city sewer. Hello. I I and and as far as what the engineer
said, he said he can't he can't do it the that it's not allowed to have city here and county here and I don't think so. I've been in this business many years. I don't see why not. In other words, I believe he can do what he wants to do without having an annexation. And
as far as I appears that this annexation review by our city of Titusville is flawed. And it appears it's probably deliberately flawed like a a number of people who have bought property in the city of Tyville have been tricked because they can't develop it because of
certain reasons. This is one of the big reasons. What is it called? A moratorum. There's a bunch of of places in the city of Titusville along that stretch on US1 they cannot build because of the moratorum
that you do not announce that you can secretly give to this to this property owner who has it property in the county. I'm not going to say it's it's up to you to make the decision. But as far as I'm concerned, this is another trick that they the city deliberately deliberately
avoided the utility concern for this annexation. May I have five? And if you have extra time, I' I'd like to hear some comments to you guys about what's going on. I think you should ask the question to Mr. Parish. What happened to the review of
utilities? Go ahead and ask him. I'll ask him, Brad. What happened to the utilities? Maybe the redhead girl knows. She might know. She's a troublemaker. What happened to the utilities? Thank you. Thank you very much. City clerk, are
there any other cards on this item? Yes. Okay. Um Brad, could you explain what happened to the utilities for a parking lot? Yes. But I understand there are no utilities required for that. It just be electrical only potentially for lights.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Let me clarify. Actually, irrigation may be required. So, there may be a need to hook up, but they may be able to do that on the property to the south already. So, that would be settled. Say he sells this property off, we reszone, we annex. Um, then the next owner is going to have
to deal with that. It's not like Mr. Johnson's saying, it's not dealt with right now. No, it's not something it's dealt with with a site plan in the middle. Okay. Yeah. So, at this point, all it is is just an ordinance to incorporate the property, put a land use, and put a zoning on it. It's all it is. It's not a site development.
Thank you for clarifying. I would also just add um I I also agree with not having the concept plan. Typically, I am very for concept plans, but um in this case, it it's such a it'd be a good place for a commercial development, and I'd love to see if eventually it goes from a parking lot to a commercial
development. We don't want to have as many restrictions on it. member Nelson. I would move to approve ordinance number 22 20225 annexing uh the property located at 5320
South Washington Avenue. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion from council? Seeing none. City clerk. Member Nelson. Yes. Mayor Connor. Yes. Member Stokel. Yes. Member Muscoso.
Yes. Member Nelson. Move to approve ordinance number 23-2025 amending the future land use map by changing the land use designation um at 5320 South Washington Avenue to
commercial high intensity. Second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion? City clerk. Mayor Connors. Yes. Member Stokel. Yes. Member Muscoso. Yes. Member Nelson. Yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much.
Member Nelson. Move to approve ordinance number 24-2025 amending the zoning map uh by changing the zoning district to comm community commercial at 5320 South Washington Avenue without
the concept plan based on staff report. Second. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk. Member Stokel. Yes. Member Moscosa. Yes. Member Nelson. Yes. Mayor Connors. Yes.
Thank you very much. Motion carries. City manager. Yes, sir. Next item is uh C resoning number two-2025, Brooks Landing Dog Park. And we'll be conducting a public hearing and a final
reading on ordinance number 26-2025. An ordinance of the city of Titusville, Florida, amending ordinance number 24-2019 amending the master plan and conditions associated with the plan development PD zoning district on approximately three
acres having tax ID number 3034198 located approximately 1500 ft east of US Highway 1 on the north side of JJ Road to include a dog park use providing for severability repeal of conflicting ordinances and providing for an
effective date. And this item two is closed at judicial. Thank you very much. Like again, I'll just point you to a couple of slides. On page 382 or of your packet, you'll see an aerial. Uh this property or this development was
approved several years ago through the plan unit development process with a master plan and was developed under that master plan. The property owner has subsequently asked us to allow them to put in a dog park. We looked at the recreational component and other
conditions of the master plan and the governing PD ordinance and it did not address this particular scenario. Also, it did not address it where they're proposing it. They're proposing on a piece of property which is outlined in red there on page 382, which is a common
area parcel that was dedicated for other types of recreation, not the kind that they were asking for. They were also asking for it to be right next to a single family residential lot. We didn't have anything in our code to address that scenario. So that's why we required them to go through this process with you.
On page 366 your packet uh is the staff report. Uh we reviewed this against the comprehensive plan and resoning criteria of the code including the PD criteria and we recommend approval of the request
to amend the plan the plan development ordinance number 24-209 and associated master plan of the Brooks Landing subdivision to add a recreational dog park in the PD on property located approximately 1500 ft east of US1 on the north side of JJ. This recommendation is
based upon staff analysis, information, and evidence presented and in accordance with the city charter, the city of Titusville, the code of ordinances, and the LDR section 34-40 of the code, the adopted comprehensive plan, and the provisions of chapter 163 and 166 of the Florida statutes.
Thank you very much, Member Stok. Yeah. Um, can you clarify? So that piece of property outlined in red, it looks like it abuts 14 uh lots and then when I look at the presentation, the dock park itself looks much smaller.
So can you clarify? Sure. If you look at, let me back up. The master plan is on page, well begins on page 38, 379.
And that's the original governing master plan. And you'll see on there, I don't know if you can orient it, you'll see JJ Road is on the right side of or right down north south or going up and down rather on a page there.
The main entrance to the subdivision, that piece of property on the immediately on the left side of that main entrance is what's the applicity right near that entrance. So, and that's the only spot. So what but are we reszoning the a whole strip for
to be able to allow a dog park? No, we're going through a reszoning process because that's the process necessary in order to amend the PD conditions. So it's not reszoning the property. Okay. It's just the process in order to get this on there. So the applicant is proposing to put this dog park amenity right there on that piece that portion of the land. It
just happens to be on a common aerial parcel that's very large. But if you look on page um 392 of your packet, you'll see a detail of what they're proposing, the fencston area. So it's not a large area, right? And I guess that's my thing. So
if we were to approve this, are we approving the smaller area like that is what I saw 392 and it looks like this will probably be just next to one lot versus the red outlined area. Looks like I would be approving a dog park that's
right behind 14 lots. Take a look at page 381 of your packet. That is going to be an an addendum that exhibit B is going to be an addendum to the PD ordinance and a master plan showing where this recreational component is going to be. And you can see there they're only proposing it
there where I described near that entrance. So this would be part of that m that uh PD. So, okay. If I'm looking at that, then it won't be next to any lot then. Is that correct? They'll be next to a lot, but not in immediately, you know, right up it.
Will there be a buffer? Do you know? You can see uh if I can zoom in there between the fence, the proposed fence and the lot, they're saying it's going to be 23 feet. Okay. At the closest point of the fenced in
area to the residential lot. Okay, that makes me feel better. I also appreciated how the presentation started with dog park basic option and then it had a picture of a house. That was funny. But yes, now that I feel a lot more comfortable with approving this um
knowing that. So, thank you. Member Moscow. Um yeah, Sarah Member Stoke might I had kind of the same question and I I spoke with Brad about this about perhaps um adding a condition to add a vegetation buffer for the sound. And also, I look
at this picture and it just looks hot. So, adding any type of shade or anything we can do just to make it a little bit better. Um, but especially for that single family home next to it, if we can add some type of sound barrier through um, you know, vegetation, I think that would be great.
So, a condition included here that it be some kind of hedge. Okay. And I would propose a sixoot hedge. That works for me. Okay. Yeah, that would work for me, too. And I do like the option of the shading because I think that's the number one complaint I get about our dog park here
is there's no shade. So if there is something we can do for that, I would be in favor as well. Then are you asking for another kind of structure or a tree in that area or next to it? I think a tree would be nice. I mean, we're always trying to plant more trees and if you go out to that property, it
was clearcut. So I think that the Well, they have a landscape plan they're supposed to adhere to. So, yeah, I think that they'd be great to have in my personal opinion, a tree. Do you need um specific clarification on how much shading or
if you're asking for a tree, I would recommend maybe an overstory tree to be planted between the residential lot and the fenced area and that will probably grow into an area where have a canopy that will cover a portion of the tr. Yeah, that's what I would prefer. Something that would have a tree canopy.
Okay. versus an actual structure if possible. Okay. If they are if it's un not feasible or there's some kind of condition on the envir on the property there, then they'd be allowed to go or come back to you to remove that or a variance or some kind of relief if
that's not or maybe some other location. I I guess I' I'd really don't want them to come back. Um but if I guess if staff determines that that's not feasible, then I would be okay with something that's is a structure. But I think the first choice would be an actual tree or trees.
What if what if you just had a tree, shade tree, overstory shade tree, and without specifying where it is, but somewhere in that area area. And then if they can't do it for some
reason, I guess the question is, do you want them to have to come back or can we are we okay with having a structure? So, a shade tree adjacent to the dog park to provide shade. Yeah, yeah, we can do that. Okay,
we can we can work with them on that. My recommendation would be, you know, let the staff iron this out with them in terms of what would be a good fit. Obviously, staff heard uh what we would like to see, but that's between, you know, our staff and and and theirs. Uh,
I think the my recommendation would be that DRC could probably handle that after us so we don't have to um have another meeting about a dog park. But I'll entertain a motion. Member Nelson. Um,
not did we not call? I'm sorry. Yeah, Susan Canada. I was so enamored with the dog park and stuff. I apologize. Can I just see the plans for one second? Just
hello Susan Canada of Titusville and as we all know I was on the referendum committee for Marina Park with the dog park. That was my idea. But the one thing that's missing there is no matter where they sit, they're sitting in mud half the time and the dogs are in mud.
Instead of a tree, those people love to see something more pavilion style with a picnic table and chairs or something. I don't know about this dog park, but I know about that one. Also, is this something meant to replace a second park
at Marina Park or is this something different? This is something different. Okay. Before you go putting a dog park in there, the first thing that people are going to do, those bushes aren't going to cut down the noise. Annie, if you've been to some of the dog parks
lately, when they're full, you're going to have neighbors complaining about the dog park in there. Also, the first dog that gets out on their way there when they take off the leash and everything, if it should get out or somebody opens the gate, you're going to have it running on US1 with
possibly a child running right out there after it. I don't think I'd be voting for something where there's a chance of an accident complaints later on
and it just seemed useless. I'd find a second dog park. If it doesn't work out at Marina Park for the BXikes, I'd put the second dog park in there. Also, if I can ask, how come if that's meant for the BX bikes or whatever it's meant for,
why is that the only parcel at Marina Park that the county isn't maintaining that the city supposed to be mowing and maintaining is right where that ball fields left? Does anybody know the answer? I think I'd be finding out why you're
paying for it instead of it going with the county. But either way, as much as I love dog parks, I've seen so many near accidents out by Loves with just that little one and people running out towards 46 getting their dogs. I wouldn't do it.
But thank you. Thank you very much, city clerk. Are there any other cards? One. Um, Stan Johnston is the last card. Stan Johnston. I will I have uh I have relatives in this area that have been to
the meetings in 2019 when Sarah Stokl and U and Julian Nelson were here. That's 2019. Uh whoa, notice this. It says 2019. In fact, those relatives were there and
and they witnessed what happened at public meeting. Is that two at least two things happened at that public meeting. Number one is that it was similar to what Mrs. Moscoso went through is that they reszoned the property where they
allowed what was said they did not have direct access to an arterial. But anyways, Brooks Landing was passed in spite of about 50 people in that audience in 2019.
They were overridden by at least Jolen Nelson and Sarah Stokal. That was the same meeting that this happened. the same meeting witnessed by my relatives in which Jolen Nelson kept
looking over at Sarah Stoke and she's bobbing her head up and down. Agree, Sarah. Agree. Agree with this fraud. It's on tape. I don't think I was here. Yes, it was. Unless somebody changed it. You'll watch your head bobbing up and
down looking over at Sarah. Yes, indeed. During this fraud, look it over. I have a problem with somebody picking on my handicap because it is a handicap. No, you were you were agreeing. You were bobbing up and down to what what Walt
Johnson was saying and and and uh and it looked like Scott Barice was very surprised at what was happening, but it still goes on and everybody agreed said do not when when Mr. Mr. Johnson sends
an email, do not even read it. Just disregard it. That's exactly what he said. That's exactly what people agreed upon and that's what exactly continues today. You don't read your emails from Stan Johnston because you don't have to. You've got a good excuse. Here's your
excuse right here. So, anyhow, uh again, you may be disregarding what's going on in this dog park area because if you're if you're consistent, you just don't listen to what the people say. You didn't listen to him back in 2019,
but you listened to Walt Johnson and his fraud along with city manager Scott Larice. And if you want to look at find out about it, those people weren't there, you can look it up in OB 8506, page 1374, and you get
Thank you, Mr. Johnson. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So, no more clerks cards, right? City clerk. All right. Thank you, member Nelson. I think you wanted to say something. I did. Um, I just wanted to let you know
this is a dog park attached to a subdivision. The HOA is actually asking for the dog park. It It spills out on JJ Road, not on US1.
Um, so that's that's their HOA's desire is to have a dog park and they're based on the request of their residents. So, it's not a public dog park.
I did I wasn't sure if you understood that. Okay. Any rate, um, I do like the the additional um specifications of a shade tree,
overstory tree within the dog park and as an alternative a shade structure and a six-foot hedge between the dog park and the home.
And with that in mind, I would with those conditions, I would move to approve reszoning number two-2025, Brooks Landing Dog Park. I have a motion and a sec. Maybe
All right. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further council discussion? Seeing none, city clerk. Member Moscoso. Yes. Member Nelson. Yes. Mayor Connors. Yes. Member Stole. Yes.
Motion carries. Thank you very much. You have to move, Sarah. All right. Same manager. back to accessern questions. Mr. Parish, is your mic working?
Is the one next to you working? Asking for your based on your baselines and estif should in some way. They were resili. This is one part trucks on the property and they are
utilizing access. Thank you very much, Mr. parish. I believe that, you know, we could help protect our the nature of our infrastructure, especially on our local roads if, you know, we u discouraged folks from from using that. I know
Sarah, just raise your hand and I'll call on you. Meos, I'm sorry if this is already in there, but are there hours that are restricted for this um you know, construction on a coming through a local road? Is that included?
No. Well, I'm thinking I'm not worried about them being at night, but like perhaps early in the morning at 6:00 a.m., you don't want like construction coming in and out if it if they do have like their circulation plan. If there's able to an ability to restrict that if that's
something the council wants to do or if you think it's even necessary. Not sure it's necessary. We can certainly give us some has that been like a complaint that the city has received?
I don't want to add additional regulations if it's actually not an issue. Um, if it became an issue, is that something that could come back to us or that would be something that you guys would go out and just say you can't be I guess if there's no ordinance, you can't just say they can go out at any
time. So, Thank you, member MSO. Member Nelson, I think the problem was um across from the hospital there's a residential area. You remember it? Yeah. And I think they
were concerned um there was a developer that wanted to put in a live local facility. several members, right?
Right. And they were concerned because there were kids in the neighborhood. Yeah. So I I think the problem is if we wait to act on this
It doesn't doesn't happen overnight. So, do you think there would be a problem if we waited? I don't see a problem, but Yeah. I'm just sort of thinking we should go ahead.
Yeah. I mean, I I'm fine with moving ahead. My only question was if if hours were a concern to anyone, then maybe we could add that in. But if it's not a concern, I don't want to create a problem out of something that's not there. Thank you. Uh yeah, big big concern I
got was, you know, semis coming off garden and taking a left on Singleton and then cutting through uh to US1 and that the Singleton Road, you know, as much as we try to keep it nice, it's already dipping in some areas. So, you know, in an effort to, you know, maybe
preserve some of our infrastructure for from people passing through, uh, we we got to do what we can. And by the way, there's already, I believe, three or four no through truck signs around Titusville. So, we we probably just needed an ordinance to kind of solidify that. I don't know who put up those
signs or why they're there, but um you know, just kind of keep an inventory and making sure we're protecting not only our residents but um the residents tax dollars in terms of roads. Um anybody have anything else? City clerk.
Melinda villain. Oh, y'all knew. I didn't even know this was on the large. Let's see. When I came here two years ago, you told me that business.
That's what you told me. I never have heard from the city about whether or not that was resolved. It was resolved because it stopped. Nobody came to you right there since 2017 that we
should have followed and we're sorry. I have never gotten an apology from the city about pulling up freight trucks. So, you can imagine because I watched that one with the people who complained. You can imagine my surprise when
immediately you guys were like, "Oh, let's do something about this because it doesn't need a lot of roads in the early on that there will
They have a tea room. They have a restaurant. But I want you to take one for it to be the premier tourist place. All right. at the time actually
at the time. I want you to take a look at how small and that's what you guys have and you are dealing with a whole bunch of
roads that are smaller. My road Acorn is only That's it. And you guys said yes. And it doesn't have a US. So when trucks were pulling up on Acorn and delivering in front of my house and my neighbor's
house and my other neighbor's house that you guys said it was okay, they were going down and having to turn on Hopkins in order to get back on US and you guys safer than we have children in our neighborhood.
You have me bring my child. So yes, this needs to be addressed and I am happy that that is finally being addressed because my problem was not. So thank you. Please have a comment
about it if you want or just go ahead and rule tonight that you guys need to go ahead and make sure that there are truck large trucks and thank you very much. And you know just point of information two years ago half of us weren't on council. It's a
different council. I got you. I understand. Are you talking about the exceptions? Yes. Yeah. Deliveries. Yeah. Say clerk, are there any other cards?
Um Kathleen or Is that is Is that the only question you have? Okay. Well, if you yield the rest of your time and then I'll call on member Nelson to answer your question. It makes an exception for a truck making
a delivery or providing services to or from a location in or abing the note through truck zone. So, there's an exception. You can't stop.
Nobody should have gardens at the end. I know. I know it is. Thank you very much. Can I have a motion?
Sorry, city clerk. Stan Johnson. I forgot to ask. spoke numbers. Fact is almost right goes down
by 2021. So now we got to look at access to the minimum fire. So you're breaking all kinds of
violations. You're not listening to me. You're not reading my emails. You're not responding to my phone. All you think I'm not doing your job. been sitting like that for what
since 2021 that's about four years and you still haven't looked at shameful I did have so ashamed to get Ask Job
Lane. He knows used to be a road that went all the way. That's nonsense. It's illegal. It's a good reason to call the FBI. You guys are absolutely nothing.
It's dishonest. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City clerk, are there any other cards? All right. Thank you very much. City council, what would you like to do? I would move to direct the staff to schedule the public hearing.
second with a discussion. I have a motion. I have a second. Member Stokel. Yeah, I do just want to clarify to Melinda's point um to be aware when this does come back that we do have an exception in here if it's making deliveries which was
okay. So, okay. So, I just want that to be clear when this come back when this comes back before us to Street that's been there since 2017 has said that large freight truck
delivery to the res. is that it has to pulling up in front of my house for my house. Yes. is there. It was always okay
so the 2017 street parking. Okay. Thank you. Uh, thank you for your comments, but like to, you know, reiterate, please wait till you're acknowledged by the chair. You know, I get it. We're all passionate. U, does that answer your question, your
discussion? All right. Thank you very much. I have a motion. I have a second. Any further council discussion? Question. I guess there is discussion. Um, Brad, is that going to create a conflict? Because I'm not seeing
this is basically No through truck zone, but you can have a truck in the area to deliver, but it's not saying to a resident. I don't think
so. Yeah. So if you have if you can if it is available you should do it at a roadway that is closest to it and so potentially that local road Acorn may still be the place where that business will deliver to.
Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Any further discussion? Seeing none, city clerk, call the role, please. Member Nelson, yes. Mayor Connors, yes. Member Stokel, yes. Member Muscosa,
yes. Motion carries. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Parish. City manager. Moving on to 11B, the flash vote um survey. Recall two months ago, we had our first flash vote. That
uh subject was the Harrison Park property. And we received some good input. We had 49% participation. So, second in the series of six flash votes. We're asking council to take a look at the two s um proposed surveys
and determine whether you want to do both or just one or if you want to do any editing. And our goal is to send one survey out every other month and this is the second in the series. Thank you very much, city manager, city clerk,
Kathleen Award. talk about this. Okay. 49% of whom, sir, of the 450 people that registered. Okay. Who volunteered to be in the survey? Right. Okay. Reminder because I gave that nice
talk before explained to you that volunteer surveys are not representative. And the first thing that Andrew said after I finished, well, it's a representative survey. No, it is not. It is a waste of your time and resources
because the people who volunteer to answer a survey, any survey are very different from people who are selected randomly and invited that way. And so this is a total waste and it doesn't matter how well this survey is written,
it's not worth the paper it's on. You need, if you want this, you need to do it in a different way. You need to identify people, ask them to participate that way. You don't just base it on self- selection. It goes against
everything I have ever known as an epidemiologist and biostatistician. Thank you. Say cler Stan Johnston. My name is My name is Stan Johnston
and uh I am not an epidemiologist. No, I'm not. And and but I've listened to this lady uh talk and it sounds like she makes some sense because I had to take Whoops. I had to take statistics and that's what one of the things she's
talking about and and representing surveys and misrepresent mis misrepresenting uh statistics in this case the city of Titusville is is obviously rep misrepresenting statistics and that is proven by in the last since June June
the 25th none of these people including Mr. Cole, who's not here. None of these have returned my phone calls, my emails, even though every day I have talked talked to Christine Matthews or equal when she's not there. Please contact
them and and give them my phone number and tell them to return my uh uh to to respond to my email so I can talk to them about June the 25th. That's a long time ago. That guess what what that came from? That email was sent to. Who was it
sent to? Did anybody know that went to Trump and the FBI and you still haven't read it? What is What's the matter with you guys? You don't listen to me. You don't you know uh hopefully something will happen.
Where did it go to? Anybody hear that? Did I don't know Sarah Stoke? Maybe she's doing something else now. But but uh anybody's listening to it went to Trump and not only not only the Florida governor and also Aaron Watkins and also
uh Will Shiner, the new uh uh state attorney. So what do you don't you don't read your email. You don't respond. So So why in the world do you have this this thing going on about checking what citizen surveys do? You don't listen to what the
citizens say. None of you. None of you. You don't go to You don't go to SNJ Oaks to see it's got it's got 10 foot instead of one house requires 25 foot uh width of of
stem for the flag lot. And what do you give them for six lots? What do you give six lots? You give them 10 feet for ex and and not even not even the 12T is required by fire code. Not even no turnaround, which is I've
always been required. I've been doing this for years. I wouldn't I just cannot imagine what you guys are doing. It's just complete nonsense. No, no, no sense at all. Against logic. How would you have six lots and one of
them can't even get right now is they know they cannot get to Mockingbird Lane by using your rules. And you're not listening. You're not reading your emails. All right. Thank you, Mr. No, thank you. All right. City clerk,
city council, member Nelson. Uh, I agree with Kathleen. It's not it's not really the way to do a survey, but um, it does give us some information as long as we realize that it's not
scientific. It's but it is information. Um, I like the survey regarding the communication. Um, because I I I just like that better. Um, I don't think we really need to know
about the emergency preparedness. So, that would meet my vote. Thank you very much, Member Stokl. Yes. Uh, similar comments. And yet, I know it's not a perfect method. My hope would be that, uh, it starts to gain traction. They're quick surveys and as
people start talking about it, we'll get more of a pool. And what I always say, it's not the sole thing we're looking at, but it's a tool to help us um see more more opinions. Um I would agree with member Nelson. I I would personally like to NYX the emergency services. I
like the communications one. And then I was looking through some of the other examples they had for future ones. And I would like to see maybe in the future one on growth, one on budget priorities and one uh on our trash service. Um
probably in those order in that order. But I I think starting with communications I would like to do that and then maybe revisit something related to growth budget and trash. Thank you. Member Stoke have anything? All right. Member Nelson.
So I would move to approve the communication survey um and ask that we get something on either growth budget or trash to follow up after that.
I'll second. I have a motion and I have a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. And before I move on to you, city manager um member
Nelson, can you make a motion for me? Can I move to extend the meeting a half an hour? I would I would increase that. 45 minutes. I would increase that. I'd say 11:30. 11:30 and I'll second.
All right. We have a motion and a second to extend the meeting to 11:30. All those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. city manager. Moving on to no new business. Uh, next item is the proposed tenative operating
millage and we have our finance directors been waiting patiently in the wings to explain this item to council. Good evening. Can is this one working? Okay. Um, so there's two steps to the process tonight. Um, I'm going to ask you to set
the tenative millage rate for our FY26 budget and to approve the two dates that we have that are established for our first and second uh, public hearings. Uh, I'm available to ask any qu uh answer any of your questions.
Thank you very much. Any questions? Clerk, any cards? One. Um, Stan just My name is Stan Johnston. Uh, I've been concerned about the
wasteful spending by the city of Titusville in the in the in the category of millions and millions of dollars. I don't know if anybody's listening. I don't even think that little red girl's red hair, she's listening either. But
the thing is is that is that I gave this to you recently about what was it about? Millions of dollars spent on dams. I don't know. Did she get permission to leave? Did she ask for permission to leave? She has She's supposed to get permission.
She's supposed to get Did she get it from you? She's good. She did. Okay, good. Thank you. So, that's with Robert Robert's rules of order. Good job. Okay. because we don't want people just just taking off just for Okay. All right. So So here's what's
going on. The dams have to do with millions of dollars spent. Even the one at the senior center that was over a million dollars of federal funding. Okay. And and and it has to do with safety. The city of Titusville brags about about 50% of its budget is used
for safety. Did Oh, I don't think anybody hear that. The city of Titusville budget braids, I believe it's over 50% of its budget is safety to for the public. But look what I'm wearing. Look what I'm wearing. Safety for the public.
50% of the budget. Spraying people with piss and poop. Are you got to be kidding? This is a joke. This this this millage rate should be should be considered the waste that our city of Titusville is doing. millions and millions and millions of dollars and not
being safe to the public. Any questions? I'm ashamed of this. I'm really ashamed. And I I if you don't remember what I said recently is compare this to uh Sodom and Gomorrah. Sodom and Gomorra was a 10. What is the city of Titusville that sprays sprays the babies with piss
and poop? my piss and poop from my toilet and my wife's toilet, too. And my children and my grandchildren and my visitors.
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Johnson. City clerk, you said that was the only card. All right. Well, Merry, I know you had to wait a really long time for all this. Uh, city council, any other questions? I know member Nelson kind of left, but I guess
I'll ask a few questions. Um, how much total do we have in the reserve account? I know by statute we're required to keep x amount of days, but what is that total figure? The committed fund balance that we have is approximately $10 million. All right. And then the question I also
have is why were the capital funds reclassified? That is an accounting function. So basically when I first came just almost four years ago um there were several things that weren't being classified correctly based on the way the state chart of accounts is and the accounting
rules one of them was roads and streets. When we repave roads and streets that's considered a repair and maintenance type item, not a capital improvement type item. And so I worked slowly over the years to try to get those reclassified to the correct place. The first step
that I did to do that was to eliminate the roads and streets fund. That fund is was not being used the way that it was supposed to be intended to be used for. And uh it's for capital improvements. We have very small amounts of capital improvements for roads and streets.
That's brand new streets or completely redoing a street, taking it all the way down to the bedrock. So, that's the reason I slowly moved those uh capital costs that we were capitalizing over to uh repairs and maintenance. And you'll see that in the budget.
Thank you very much for that explanation because I know you know that I was freaking out looking at the budget going, "What? We spent, you know, $5 million in roads last year. Now we're spending $300,000." I was able to show him where it's at. So, I appreciate that. And then how much uh money do we have in those impact
impact fee buckets for, you know, fire, police, city hall, those type of things? I don't have those right off the top of my head. I wasn't really prepared to talk about that. I was prepared to talk about trim. I can get you that. Um it's not a huge amount of money. Recently,
we've spent some money on those impact fee funds uh for fire purposes, capital purchases, for public safety mostly, but I can get you the exact numbers. I just don't know them right now. Okay. It was just a random question I had as we budget and forecast out because I saw in the five-year capital
plan uh that you know we're hopefully planning on a lot of money being spent but you know I'm trying to figure out where that money is exactly going to come from um because 140 million in 2028 is like the goal I believe you know but who knows right so
that's why I was just curious as to what we've been are accumulating over the and uh city council. Any other questions? Oh, thank you, members. No, no, not necessarily a question, but in your budget book, if you guys look at page two, um you can kind of see the
history of the millage rate for back from 2017. And so, we've definitely been on the decline, which I appreciate, of staff. That's my my biggest hope would be that we can go to roll back. Um but if we can't get quite there um to continue lowering the millillage, if we
can get below five at some point before the four years is up, that would be great. Um because that's something that's been important to me is as we add more housing developments and we have more people paying into it, we can continue to lower it. Um so I just
wanted to draw attention to that and thank staff for working really hard on it. Yes. Um thank you very much. Uh, one thing that I would like to see happen for next year is I feel like as somebody who's new to this, I feel like the order is a little backwards. Uh, because we
set the tenative millillage, but then we come back for a workshop. I feel like the workshop should come first because let's say everybody in high school, I'm not saying they're going to, are going to come in and say spend money on this. Well, if that cost extra, how do we do
it? So I think going forward for next year we should have the budget workshop first with the public and then f you know fine-tune uh the the budget going from there. But that's just my Can I can I give you a little bit of a timeline on it? So, Florida statutes lays out the timeline really for us. Not
so much for the workshop, but for the timing of us when we get our estimated uh assessed value, we get our final assessed value and when we have to have this in. In order for us to have that workshop earlier than this, it would
have to be very early, right? in order to be able to make that trim deadline and you are not going to have a lot of information to put in there. So when we do this we develop a proposed bud balanced budget so that you can have it and see it so that when you get ready to
vote on this millillage you'll see what's there. Now you can play around a little bit with the millillage. For example, if you want to do the rolled back rate, you'd have to remove approximately $400,000 from the general fund budget and you would have to tell me what that would be. So, there's a a
really strict timeline with trim as to why we do it this way. Now, I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's going to be really really tight to get that in there. So, I understand. And I'm just, you know, when we do a public, you know, workshop and then they the public says do this and then we're kind of
you can always meet about it, discuss it, but I won't have trim numbers ready for you then. Um, but you can still have a meeting if you choose to have a meeting. I just won't be completely prepared with with the adorum. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Member Mscosa.
Um, yeah, I I understand what the the mayor is saying as well. Um, and then I understand your point. Um, I would say as a new member um on council, it would be helpful. I know in the beginning we sat down um if there would be a time and I should have reached out to you just to sit down and make sure I understand the
process because I I am learning it but this is this is a lot when it's your first budget season. So I want to thank you for all that you're doing. Um and then um Mr. Bate, I know that you mentioned something about the fire truck and the impact that had on our millillage. So, I'd love to give you the
opportunity to share so people can understand. Certainly, we had an unexpected expense when one of our fire trucks was hit by a basically uninsured vehicle and insurance, our insurance covered the repair of the damaged fire truck.
However, we were down one fire truck. So, we had to go out on the open market and pay cash for a new fire truck that was being built. and that cash was almost a million dollars for a firet truck. So had that not occurred, we
would have been at roll back in in addition um as in the transmitter letter we we mentioned the fact that we have now paid off the geo bonds for the river for an acquisition last payment was made. Therefore that millage that voter millage is no longer there next for this
year. So in effect the aggregate millage will be lower. So it's it's good news. Unfortunately, the fire truck is not good news, but um accidents happen and they did. So, just to build on that just a little bit, we've ordered four new fire trucks
since I've been here and it takes a long time to get those and you have to pay cash upfront for those. They do give you a small discount, but the way that it works because we finance them, uh we pay the cash upfront, we wait for the vehicle to come in and we have debt service on it. So that million dollars
has a quite a significant impact when we're building the budget. So I get it. Thank you very much. Member Stokel, did you have something? Yes. Just to clarify on what you were saying about the timing of the order of events, I should say something that we
did in the past, um, which I think people can have mixed feelings on. We would approve a tentative millage rate for the highest that we could and it was kind of misleading because none of us really anticipated that but that gave us some time and we could always go lower but once you set it you could never go
higher. So to your point where we hadn't had time yet to have a workshop um we were still able to say okay we're going to set it at the highest and then we can workshop through and then go lower. Um but it was also misleading to the public because we're telling them that we're proposing this. Whereas this option is
um unless somebody is anticipating wanting to go above it. I feel like it's more realistic um to set it as this and then if something comes up we can either one switch out some items or if we wanted to go lower we could still do that. Um so that's that's the option
we're presented. I think just with what Miss Butler shared with the timing of the situation. So, I think it's important to communicate that citizens still do have an option um to discuss what we do with that, but we're just setting what we as council decide that
we do not want to go over this for our residents. Thank you, Member Stokel. Member Nelson, I would I sort of prefer that. Um, we have a number of unfunded items and one of the items is the U lighting system
for US1 and we've been kicking the can down the road for years. I don't know if there's an ex expiration date on this u because I understand that FDOT
says we can no longer put the lights down the middle of US1. They have to be on the sides. And I thought they gave us a a a due date for that. And so I mean
that's $1,300 just for the plan. So, I would rather see us, you know, put it a little bit, have a further discussion on what it's going to take to do that,
find out when we have to do it because I'm sure there's a a drop deadline. um and then discuss how we're going to fund that when it needs to be funded. So that that would be my suggestion.
Mayor, if I may, um for the two newer council members, uh we do have a law that is pertain it's a Florida law. It pertains only to Bard County and this cities within Bvard County. It's chapter 74430.
And in that law, it says that we cannot go more than 10% above our prior year revenue. So I have calculated what that maximum millage would be to your point so that you could see that millage for us to stay within that law
and not go above it would would only go to 6.4976. So that is 4.90 above the rolled back rate. That is an option this council has if they if they chose to do that. Now,
that would yield an additional $724,240 to the amount that's currently budgeted in our current adorum line item. So, I wanted I wanted to just let you know about that in case you didn't know. So then potentially if we looked at the
lighting plan midy year potentially we would have additional funds. You would have 724,240 should this council decide to vote at the maximum rate for our calculation.
Right. Okay. Because we follow this law. Now I don't know what the lightweight a dollar amount is. I'm not sure how much that costs. Um, but that's what the dollar amount would yield that you would have that you could add to the budget however you decide to spend it.
So Terry, my thought is mid year we usually have some funds that come available. So potentially this plus those funds that come available could fund that lightweight
project. It's a possibility. Like I said, I I don't know what the future will bring for midyear and I'm not sure what that project cost, but if the council chooses to set their the tenative millillage tonight at the higher rate, uh just like Sarah said, whatever you set it at
tonight, you cannot raise it. You can only decrease it. So whatever, however you see the first public hearing and the second public hearing or even your discussion at the budget workshop um you can always you know you can always say
well we don't want to do the maximum at this point we want to reduce it. I just wanted to give you all of your options and you can do any number in between from the roll back rate to that rate and then that can be calculated as additional funds. So these these are the figures that we got last year for
unfunded priorities. Um and if something happened, you know, Kevin says we don't have to do it until I know 20 2050, then maybe take that back, but at least
we could have a discussion on it. Uh you will see that unfunded list at the budget workshop. It has grown a little bit. This was a tight budget year trying to get everything squeezed in. Um but you'll see that unfunded list has grown a little bit. Okay.
Member Sto. Yes. Um I'd rather stick to the current proposed millillage and at midyear I and then the re my justification or reasoning why is every year I think since I've been on council we've had an
excess during mid year. So, I feel like I'd rather just say, "No, let's do this." And then at midyear, that's when we can kind of look at the lighting and the other unfunded. That would be my preference. All right. Any other questions, discussion?
I'll entertain any motion council wants to give. Member Nelson. Sarah's not going to like my motion. Um I know settler proposed uh tenative operating
millage rate for 2026 at 6.4976 which is I'm not sure what about the roll back millage rate 4.90 above the roll back millage rate of
6.1938. I have a motion. Is there a second? Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. City clerk, did you have something for me? We just have a card. You have one card. Didn't Didn't I already call the cards? I don't think so.
I thought I already called the cards. I thought Mr. Johnson spoke on the cards. Yeah, he spoke on the budget. All right. Um, we're going to continue on. So, city council, make a next motion. Member Stokel. Yes. I'd like to make a motion to approve the tenative operating millage
rate for fiscal year 2026 at 6.3 mills, which is 1.71% above the roll back millage rate of 6.1938. I have a motion, a second. Can you also please include the dates as part of this? Oh, yes. um to include the dates of the
first public hearing set for September 11th, 2025 at 5:30 at city hall and the final public hearing on September 18th, 2025 at 5:30 at city hall. Thank you. U member Moscow
hands. Thank you. All right, city clerk, call the role, please. Mayor Connor, yes. Member Stokel, yes. Member Moscoso. Yes. Member Nelson. You got it out, though.
All right. Thank you very much, city manager. City manager. Moving on to 12B, food pantries. And um back in June of 2025, council approved an advisability for staff to
review zoning requirements to allow food pantries to operate in Titusville as requested by member Nelson. And right now we have uh Mr. Parish has a draft ordinance that he wants to uh discuss
with council. I included in your packet some research, some information. So, if you look on page 421 of your packet, you'll see the list of what we believe are food pantries in the area and their zoning district.
on we also included some information uh related to the definition of community service which is a use that's permitted in the city of Titusville and we thought that if there's an opportunity to include or specified the term community
um food pantry this might be the use that we can add it to and then have certain conditions in there. I did include in your packet a report too about um from the American planning assoc association called zoning practice related to social services and the the
crux of that article was about um making sure that you have some provisions in your regulations in your zoning that you don't allow a consolidation of a lot of different social services in one area especially because it could over time impact a neighborhood. This was the case
in 2012 when the city was petitioned by the residents of Indian River City neighborhood to come up with an ordinance addressing that very issue. So, we've included on page 422 your packet there some some standards that could be utilized, maybe not all of
them, in a potential ordinance. I did include a uh a draft ordinance for your consideration and if you agree with it, we'll go forward with it. uh for advertisement. It's on page 428 of your packet.
And if you agree with that, we'll go forward with advertising this in whatever form you you would prefer. Thank you very much, Mr. Parish. Member Nelson, I want to make some changes. Of course.
Do you have any questions? because I'd rather see if we get to public comment and then we can listen to the comments. City clerk. Yes, sir. Regina Stanford. Regina and then
right there. At least I assume she was Regina because she was standing up, you know, when she called her name. We're going to go ahead and reconvene. Um wait for the monitor to come back on. Uh for those folks that were maybe
watching at home, one of our officers uh in council chambers was having a medical issue. Uh we're we're hoping that he's okay. Our prayers are with him and uh thank you for the you know TFD for getting out here and and getting him the
medical treatment. Uh in light of the things that have happened and the time of night, it would be my recommendation uh to council that we uh table the remaining to the next meeting. Uh because I believe that there's a lot of
things that need to be maybe worked out with um the the food pantry. Um, I I've gotten a lot of citizen feedback uh throughout today and I think uh we need to kind of go back to the drawing board with that a little bit, but that would be my
recommendation. Um, member Mscoso, I just want to acknowledge these fine folks have been here since um like six. Um, and I understand this could be a long conversation, so perhaps an alternative could be um do we have
public comment coming up pretty soon? Uh it's still a little bit of ways because there's a couple other items before that. We have three items before petitions and request. Again, if I ask if you're going to table this item, if I could if you could announce the persons who are wishing to speak to
please contact me, I'd be I'd love to speak with them and maybe meet at a time in our office to talk about this particular ordinance before it's brought back to you again. And just again, that was just my opinion of what should happen. And I've uh no no issue like,
you know, I think, you know, we should hear you speak. You you've sat here. I I I agree with that. Uh but, you know, I also want, you know, this item to be fully fleshed out, not us trying to figure it out at at midnight. So, could we possibly move petitions and
requests now and then you would have a chance to speak? It wouldn't be on the item, but at least you'd be able to speak tonight. Well, she filled in a card for speak on the food pantry, right? But if we're going to table that item, then we wouldn't take cards, right? No, I was going to table the rest of the
the meeting. So, no petitions. I was going to table um pretty much everything. CT. I would say let her talk on the food pantry, but let her also meet with Brad
to try to work that out because I agree to meet the So again, I think it's it's up to council what they want to do. I was just, you know, given in light of the medical situation that happened and given that this item will take um I
think some more fleshing out to do and the rest of the items are more administrative. Anyway, yeah, that my suggestion would be just because I know that there's some citizens that waited and I had planned to not vote on this item anyway would be to table the rest of the items because
they aren't time-sensitive, but uh let's keep the last petitions and request um and just let them know that that's their opportunity because it's no longer on the agenda just for the sake of them sitting for so long if they have anything to say. Um, but to the mayor's point, I will say I' I've gotten some
emails about uh several of the concerns. Um, operating hours, uh, waiting area security, how much distance, and so those are things that I personally am going to be looking into. So, just know that um, as well, but that would be my recommendation. I don't know if you need
that in a motion or not. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, would somebody willing to make a motion? Second. Sarah. Yeah. Sarah. Sarah. Yes. So, I would move to table uh the rest of the agenda items with the
exception of item 13, which is petitions and requests from the public to our next meeting. I have a motion. I have a second. Um any further council discussion? All those in favor say I. I. All opposed. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you very much. So, it is not
petitions request. You can get up and speak on any item you like. Would you like to go? Sorry, we just had to do a little housekeeping. No, that's perfectly all right. Regina Stanford, founder of Hummingbird Food Pantry, which is located right here in Titusville,
Florida. For the for um last 14 years, and I'm sorry, I'm exhausted right about now, so in case I stutter a little bit, but for the past 14 years, we have built Hummingbird food pantry into the largest food pantry in the state of Florida. U
we've held that ranking um several times over the years and we've been there for all of Bavar County during the past 14 years. So um it's something I'm very proud of that we were able to answer the
call and fulfill a tremendous need here in the county. Um and I just was informed about this being on the agenda tonight. So, I didn't have a chance to dive into every aspect of what was being
considered, but some of the things that I did see raised a lot of concerns because all food pantries just do not operate the same way. So, when we're serving 6,000 people when we open the door,
it's very hard to say that those people have to come inside of our building. we would have no room to accommodate that. It would be very hard to say. Now, we do not refuse anyone to use the bathroom, but it would just be very hard um to
accommodate a large amount of people to park them and have them come in. We are a drive-thru pantry and everyone comes in, they drive through, we load the cars, and then they leave out. So, we try to be as efficient.
We try to consider time, but parking cars and letting people come inside of the building to then seat hundreds of people where um and for what purpose it just wouldn't work when they can just drive through and continue to go. And I know some other people are probably here
for the food pantry to speak about that also. I just don't want to take up too much time. I know it is very late. I'm feeling it. I know everyone else is feeling it. But if anyone has some questions then I can answer those. And uh just you know again to let you
know how this came about is because you know we found that there was apparently no zoning district that really allowed for a food pantry in the city of Titusville and therefore we instructed the staff to try to come up with some some changes so that we could allow you
know people to operate. So this is obviously a very very first draft and we're definitely uh going to be seeking the community's input. So, thank you very much. Member Nelson, so curiosity, uh, what hours do you serve people? So, we do not have a set hours because
we have to wait for semitrs to come to us. We cannot tell the semitrs, you have to be here at XYZ time. The shipping companies arrange the shipping times. They give us an estimated time. Some
trucks come in, they're totally weighed. We don't have to weigh those, but we have to unload them. And once they're unloaded, then we have to process all that food. So, this can be 50,000 pounds of food per semi. And we can get one to three semis in a distribution. So,
waiting for all those semis to come in. And if the semi is not weighed, then we have to weigh that. And if it's coming from one is coming from Orlando, one is coming from Coco, one is coming from Daytona, they could arrive at different times. and we can't start until all the
food is in for us to distribute out. So, if we were to say we're only going to be open from 8 to 5, then we would have to say we can only take one semi. We cannot allow any more food to come in to actually help the people that need the
food. Do you have a an idea of what hours would be appropriate for you? it. I mean, I'm I'm sure you don't serve people at 2:00 a.m. Yes, we have. You have? Yes.
Oh, we've been there as late as 2:08 in the morning. Um, now that was extreme circumstances. It was co government shutdowns. But as long as we have the food and if the last
truck didn't arrive until 4:00 and by the time we process all that food is 6:00 before we start now, we're there until 2 a.m. singing under the moonlight getting it. And if there's a thunderstorm, we'll give out food in the
rain. We have plenty of videos. We're pouring in the rain, giving out the food, but we have to stop during lightning. So if we stop during the lightning and it takes an hour, we don't turn those people away. We still have to
give the food away. So now everyone has to wait. So can I ask you where is Hummingbird? The old Riverview school on Jolly Road. So we're between Harrison and Lita. The It used to be a school back there. I
went to school there. Oh, yes. So, we're in the cafeteria that has the walk-in freezers, the walk-in refrigerators. We can accommodate semi trucks. We can only accommodate up to 300 cars. So, we use staging areas and then the cars feed
into our area and as they're leaving us, more cars are arriving. So, we're set up in different locations to be able to feed all the cars to us. Okay. Okay, thank you. Thank you very much. We appreciate it.
Thank you. Member Mscosa. Yeah, I I'll leave a lot of my comments for when it comes up, but I would say August 22nd is their next distribution day. And if possible, maybe you could send us the information. Um, I've never been out there. I follow them on social
media, so I get to see it. But, um, maybe it'd be good for us to go out and just to see. I mean, it's a huge operation. I mean, they're feeding thousands of people. So, um, August 22nd and maybe we can get that information sent out. Thank you.
All right. Petitions are request. because she couldn't speak again under petition or request and she stayed all this time to talk about this item in particular. Um she's a concerned citizen but as someone who believes deeply in the values of compassion, community and
constitutional rights, I understand the intention behind regulating food pantries and community services within the downtown mixeduse district. I must respectfully point out that the ordinance does not reflect the heart of the community that claims to care for its val vulnerable. Instead, it appears
to be anti-humanity, anti-Christian in spirit, and potentially unconstitutional in practice. By placing restrictive limits on when, where, and how people can access food, a basic human need, this ordinance effectively criminalizes poverty, and burdens those who are doing
the work the city itself has failed to do. Feed the hungry, care for the forgotten, and uphold the dignity of every person. How can we as a city claim to honor Christian values when we are turning people away with zoning maps and tape measures? When Jesus said, "Feed my
sheep," he didn't add, "but only three days a week between 8 and five and not if it's within 500 ft from someone's home." This ordinance doesn't just limit where help can happen. It limits whether help happens at all. It dis it's it harms small
organizations, volunteers, and religious groups who simply want to give food without being forced to pay for indoor waiting rooms or navigate bureaucratic mazes. And it sends a chilling message to everyday citizens that compassion must be regulated. Moreover, denying
people access to food based on location restrictions could raise constitutional concerns under the first and 14th amendments, including freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, and equal protection under the law. So, I asked the council, what happens to the soul of a city when feeding hungry people
becomes a zoning violation? We must do better, not just legally, but morally. I urge you to reconsider this ordinance not only in the interest of justice but in the interest of who we are as people. Thank you. Thank you very much.
Anybody else for petitions and requests? Like I said, we're not trying to overly regulate at least from what I understand uh of this measure. Again, we want to provide a legal opportunity for these things to happen because it was brought to our attention that there was no
zoning district that allowed for this and we have a bunch that already operating in the city of Titusville. So, this was a first crack at it and uh not something that obviously from the feedback I've seen from council, nobody was overly thrilled by it. So, you know, that's why we're sending them back to
the people, figure it out. Uh, I know I've met with at least three or four uh different um food pantries this week talking about this very issue and we'll we'll find a solution that that works for everybody. But just so that we have a code to go back on so that if somebody
says we don't want this happening, we can say it's allowed, you know, so appreciate it. Appreciate everybody's comments. I don't see Yes, ma'am. Can you get an update on the situation? So, we we've made an offer to the second
ranked attorney, Scott Mckenry, and HR is in process of that, and that's the latest update I have. So, um, but we'll we'll we'll keep everybody updated as what's going on as it happens. Um, appreciate your guys' time. Uh our thoughts and prayers are again are u
with the officer uh that was here and uh as soon as we have an update, you know, uh if he's willing, we'll we'll we'll share that out. But uh uh with that being said, can I have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. Second. Thank you guys.